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From YouTube: August 5, 2021 Planning Commission Meeting
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Planning Commission Meeting
A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
bloomington
planning
commission
meeting
for
august
25th
2021.,
the
planning
commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteer
bloomington
residents
appointed
by
the
city
council.
The
commission
is
advisory
to
the
council
for
most
items.
We
make
recommendations
and
the
council
has
final
decision-making
authority.
In
certain
cases
the
planning
commission
can
approve
or
deny
an
application
subject
to
an
appeal
to
the
city
council.
A
A
B
B
A
C
C
So
that's
the
first
order
of
business
on
the
on
the
purpose
statement
here
in
doing
that,
really
the
reason
why
we're
doing
that,
because
we're
subject
to
these
requirements,
whether
they're
in
our
code
or
not,
but
it
will
really
help
us
with
coordinating
as
we
go
through
our
own
development
review
process.
It's
kind
of
more
up
front
and
center
staff
will
be
more
aware
of
it
and
it'll
be
easier
to
make
developers
aware
of
it.
So
the
idea
is
to
foster
consistency
and
efficiency
and
transparency,
so
just
a
little
bit
about
environmental
review.
C
C
During
that
whole
process,
you
consider
alternatives
and
explore
methods
to
reduce
or
mitigate
any
negative
impacts
that
might
be
identified.
It
is
not
intended
to
as
a
means
to
approve
or
deny
a
project.
However,
the
information
provided
in
the
review
can
be
used
to
inform
the
approvals
or
approval
process.
C
C
You
can
see
here,
so
these
are
the
thresholds
for
a
city
like
bloomington,
which
is
classified
in
statutes
as
a
second-class
city,
and
so
you
can
see
the
thresholds
here
for
residential
250,
unattached
or
375
attached
units
for
residential,
where
it's
the
the
project
is
inconsistent
with
the
guiding
in
the
comp
plan.
The
the
threshold
is
a
little
bit
lower
and
then,
with
regard
to
industrial,
commercial,
institutional,
it's
300,
000,
grow
square
feet
and
warehouse
or
light
industrial.
It's
450,
000
grow
square
feet.
C
And
then
we
have
what's
called
an
alternative
urban
area-wide
review
and
auar.
Some
of
you
may
be
aware:
we
have
an
aur
in
the
south
loop
district,
the
first
one
was
done
back
in
2002
and
that
is
essentially
an
eaw
that
covers
a
broad
area
and
they
are
used
in
in
places
like
the
south
loop,
where
we
know
that
the
level
of
development
is
going
to
be
fairly
substantial
and
so
individual
projects
could
very
easily
exceed
the
threshold
for
individual
eaws
by
doing
an
ea
auar.
C
C
C
Sorry
2022,
never
mind,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna.
I
went
a
little
too
fast
there.
I
think
nope,
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
there's
several
sections
chapters
of
the
code
where
there
are
some
proposed
changes
that
are
all
related
to
this,
and
the
first
is
in
chapter
15,
which
really
is
a
about
building
a
permitting
chapter,
and
so
this
is
where
we
have
housed
for
many
years
since
1982
some
language
around.
C
And
it's
really
the
only
thing
that's
in
that
chapter
or
that
that
article
of
that
chapter,
and
so
we
want
to
just
simply
move
it
into
the
aur.
It's
it
makes
more
sense
to
have
it
all
in
that
area.
So
we're
essentially
proposing
to
to
delete
this
article
from
chapter
15
and
and
we're
incorporating
the
pertinent
stuff
that
we
still
use
into
chapter
21..
C
C
C
So
we
have
a
table
in
the
code
that
has
the
lays
out
the
application
fees
for
all
these
various
types
of
reviews
that
we
do,
and
so
currently
there
is
one
for
eawr
or
environmental
review
and
we
are
proposing
to
increase
that
to
better
reflect
the
actual
cost
of
of
the
staff
time
to
review
one
of
these
kinds
of
reviews.
We
are
also
adding
a
reference
to
the
aur
payment
requirements.
C
C
C
So
just
a
couple
of
the
highlights,
because
there's
a
you
know,
a
lot
of
this
is
is
really
just
kind
of
summarizing.
What's
in
state
statutes,
there's
nothing
here!
That's
really
up
for
debate.
We,
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
change
the
statutory
requirement
so
we're
just
trying
to
codify
it
and
put
it
into
our
code.
C
C
However,
the
city
may
hire
the
consultant
to
prepare
oftentimes.
What
happens
is
the
the
project
proposer
hires
the
consultant
and
prepares
the
eaw
and
they
submits
it,
and
then
that's
why
we
charge
the
fee
so
that
our
staff
time
to
review
what
they've
submitted
is
covered,
but
there
are
times,
maybe
when
the
city
would
be
the
one
to
actually
hire
the
consultant
or
maybe
even
do
the
documentation
itself.
C
C
The
environmental
review
has
to
be
formally
accepted
by
the
city
council
before
they
can
entitle
or
approve
the
project
or
any
permits
related
to
that.
However,
public
review
can
be
happening
concurrent,
so
the
planning
commission
could
hold
a
public
hearing
on
a
project.
The
city
council
simply
could
not
approve
it
or
act
to
approve
it
until
the
environmental
review
was
deemed
complete
and
acceptable,
and,
as
I
mentioned
to
you
before,
the
a
aurs
are
subject
to
a
update
every
five
years
in
order
to
remain
valid
or
if
earlier.
C
If
something
comes
up
that
was
not
anticipated
in
the
approved
aur,
for
instance,
a
development
comes
in
that's
a
lot
bigger
than
what
was
studied,
because
you
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
whole
key
to
this
is
is
having
a
mitigation
plan
that
provides
some
means
to
mitigate
whatever
the
impacts
might
be.
So
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
studied
the
right
things.
C
The
new
section
also
walks
or
describes
the
payment
procedures,
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
for
the
project
specific
kinds
of
environmental
reviews
in
eawr
and
eis.
We're
proposing
an
escrow
approach
very
pretty
much
the
same
as
we
do
for
special
studies
and
for
the
aur.
We're
essentially
saying
we
want
to
keep
the
same
process
that
we've
had
we've
been
using
since
1982,
and
that
involves
a
permit
fee
that
gets
applied
to
larger
developments
that
are
in
the
area
covered
by
the
aur.
Those
get
deposited
into
a
special
account.
A
C
Sure,
mr
chair,
commissioner,
goldsman
you
could
I
you
really
could
define
any
area
that
you
wanted.
The
the
reason
why
the
south
loop
is
because
the
projected
development
there
it's
likely
that
there's
going
to
be
bigger
developments
in
the
type
of
development
that
would
trigger
an
eaw
on
lindell.
There
might
be
a
project
or
two
through
there
that
might
trigger
that
because,
as
you
saw
the,
for
instance,
the
residential
will
be
375
units.
So
that's
a
pretty
big
project,
so
it
might
be,
but
it's
kind
of
in
in
the
south
loop.
C
C
I
think
at
the
time
that
we
aoers
came
to
er
became
a
a
alternative
means
of
doing
eaws.
I
don't
know
exactly
the
date,
but
it
was
probably
about
the
same
time
that
they
did
the
south
loop
because
they
hadn't
previously
been
doing
that.
But
that
was
something
for
areas
that
were
campus-like
and
and
what
not.
C
So
that's
why
I
think
in
normandale
the
development
was
probably
far
enough
gone
that
didn't
really
make
sense
to
to
start
one
again,
but
but
your
to
your
question,
could
the
city
establish
a
auar
or
create
an
aur
for
a
different
area?
Certainly
they
could,
but
it
would
only
make
sense
if
we
anticipated
the
development
would
include
a
significant
amount
of
development
that
would
trigger
individual
eaws.
B
A
F
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll
echo
what
chair
roman
mentioned
before
thanks
to
staff.
I
know
this
is
pretty
straightforward,
so
I'm
in
support,
but
I'm
sure
it
was
a
lot
of
work
on
the
back
end,
cleaning
everything
up
and
making
things
more
efficient
for
both
applicants,
for
projects
and
for
the
city
to
go
through
the
review
process.
So
thank
you
and
I'm
in
sport.
G
A
A
motion
in
a
second
to
recommend
adoption
of
code
amendments
related
to
environmental
reviews
and
fees.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
opposed
motion
passes.
This
will
move
on
to
the
august
30th
city
council
meeting
as
a
public
hearing
for
the
purposes
of
those
who
are
watching.
That
concludes
our
business
of
regular
regular
nature.
The
remaining
items
on
our
agenda
are
study.
Items
study
items
are
a
time
for
staff
to
get
input
and
feedback
from
the
commission.
H
H
H
H
So
the
objective
of
notification
for
these
public
hearings
is
to
maximize
awareness,
especially
of
those
nearby
or
more
impacted
properties,
ideally
with
notification.
It
would
result
in
increased
participation
and
then,
of
course,
to
improve
transparency
and
government
practices
and
in
public
decision
making.
You
know
that
all
said
we
still
want
to
do
so
in
a
cost-effective
manner,
and
also
that,
when
choosing
who
gets
noticed
and
how
that
it's
done
in
a
fair,
consistent
manner
from
one
application
to
the
next.
H
H
H
H
We
also
have
a
development
map
more
intended.
It's
an
interactive
tool.
It's
intended
to
let
people
know
about
maybe
a
little
bit
more
significant
development
projects
usually
involves.
You
know
some
sort
of
built
structures
at
various
areas
and
it'll.
Let
people
know
about
you
know.
What's
upcoming,
what's
been
approved
and
what's
under
construction
and
then
kind
of
the
catch-all,
then
we
have
an
application
portal
and
so
there
anyone
can
go
and
look
and
see
any
type
of
application.
H
In
addition,
for
those
projects
that
involve
a
more
significant
exterior
changes,
we
require
or
yeah
we
require
that
on-site
signage
be
posted,
so
that's
pictured
here
and
then
for
projects
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more
controversial.
We
strongly
recommend
that
the
applicant
or
developer
conduct
a
neighborhood
meeting
with
those
nearby
property.
H
Owners,
so
I
want
to
focus
a
little
bit
more
on,
especially
the
mailing
notice
requirements,
since
this
topic
comes
up
periodically
when
neighbors
feel
that
they
don't
re
feel
like
they
have
not
received
proper
notice,
and
sometimes
it's
with
regards
to
mailings.
Let's,
let's
talk
more
on
that,
so
I
mentioned
that
the
mailing
is
a
state
statute,
a
requirement,
and
the
distances
are
noted
here
so
for
conditional
use,
permits,
interim
use
permits
and
rezonings
mailing
is
required
from
350
feet
away
from
a
subject
property.
H
H
You
can
see
our
neighbors
here.
A
lot
of
them
simply
follow
that
state
statute
of
350
feet
away,
and
then
they
do
that
for
many
of
their
other
land
use
applications
besides
just
those
required
by
statute
and
a
similar
practice
is
done
for
variances
too.
So
it's
not
required
by
statute,
but
almost
every
city
requires
that
a
notification
be
sent
to
those
surrounding
properties.
H
H
H
You
know
minneapolis
and
st
paul
make
an
effort
to
notify
their
neighborhood
organizations
that
they've
recognized
and
then
st
norris
park
conducts
neighborhood
meetings
for
many
of
their
development
applications.
So
kind
of
different
from
bloomington
st
loser
park
is
more
involved
with
development
up
or
with
those
neighborhood
meetings.
H
H
So
any
project
here
the
highlighted
properties
would
receive
mail
notification,
and
this
is
similar
to
many
of
our
notifications.
What
happens?
Is
some
properties
just
miss
that
cut
off
now?
They
might
just
be
a
few
feet
away
and
not
not
receive
a
mailing,
because
the
cutoff
is
strictly
500
feet
in
bloomington.
H
So
you
know
there's
some
downsides
to
that.
It
seems
unfair
that
property
properties
would
just
miss
that
when
their
neighbors
do
receive
a
letter,
I
chose
this
site
as
an
example
because
you'll
notice,
the
building,
is
only
on
that
north
end
of
the
lot,
but
the
property
boundaries
actually
stretch
aways
to
the
south.
H
However,
when
we
send
out
the
notice
it's
measured
from
property
boundaries,
and
not
just
you
know
where
the
project
or
change
might
be
occurring,
so
there's
obviously
challenges
with
identifying.
You
know,
what's
the
most
effective
distance,
how
is
it
fair
and
applied
the
same
throughout
the
city?
You
know
in
this
area
of
the
city,
maybe
slightly
larger
lots
or
smaller
lots
in
other
areas.
H
There
might
be
larger
lots,
so
it's
difficult
to
have
you
know
one
standard
and
have
it
be
fair,
consistent
throughout,
so
some
considerations
that
have
been
brought
up
in
the
past
one
was
that
we
could
increase
that
notification
radius.
You
know
something
beyond
500
feet
and
another
is
that
you
know
maybe
there's
a
way
we
could
more
logically
pick
which
neighborhoods
or
groups
of
properties
receive
that
notice.
So,
let's
look
a
little
bit
more
at
those
now
now
increasing
that
notification
distance,
it
would
definitely
align
with
our
intent
to
maximize
awareness.
H
H
Currently,
what
the
practice
is
is
any
application
fee
covers
100
mailings,
but
any
mailing
that
goes
beyond
100.
There's
a
dollar
fifty
charge
per
letter,
that's
applied
to
the
applicant,
and
so
the
other
consideration
too,
is
you
know
for
if
we
did
want
to
increase
the
distance?
To
what
extent
would
we
increase
it?
How
would
we
pick
a
distance
in
a
fair
manner
and
I'll
touch
on
in
a
minute
that
we
still
kind
of
deal
with
that
issue
of
properties
just
missing
the
cut
off?
H
So
this
is
looking
at
the
example
of
the
penn
lake
townhomes
project
here
on
the
left
is
the
existing
500
foot
notification,
so
those
properties
are
mailed
a
letter
that
was
51
properties.
If
the
distance
requirement
was
a
thousand
feet,
you
would
notice
144
properties
so
that
doubling
of
distance
doesn't
mean
that
there's
a
doubling
of
notices.
In
fact,
it
usually
means
that
there's
you
know
tripling
or
quadrupling
the
number
of
notices.
So
in
this
case
two
that's
over
the
100
notifications
that
is
covered
in
that
application
fee.
H
H
But
again
with
this,
you
know
in
either
case
with
that
exact
cut
off.
There
are
properties
that
you
know
it
seems
like
they
should
get
a
notice,
but
they
just
miss.
You
know
all
their
neighbors
on
the
block
could
have
noticed,
but
not
the
one,
and
so
that
happens
with
now
the
500
foot,
as
well
as
the
thousand
foot
distance
here,
is
the
other
one
down.
H
It
might
result
in
improved
notification
of
those
higher
profile
projects,
but
then
some
of
those
other
projects
might
just
result.
In
over
notification.
We've
received
complaints
from
people
too
that
have
received
too
much
mail
and
then
last
you
know,
there's
potential
for
increased
awareness
people.
Don't
always
we
can't
guarantee
that
they'll
read
the
letter,
but
the
idea
is
that
you
know
the
more.
We
send
the
more
likely
people
will
know
about
something.
H
H
So
then,
the
other
option
consideration
was
that
notification
by
neighborhood
and
again
that
intent
that
it
aligns
with,
is
you
know
the
maximize
awareness,
especially
of
those
nearby,
and
here
we're
really
attempting
to
address
that
cut
off
issue.
But
the
issue
is:
can
it
be
done
fairly?
So
look
at
an
example
here.
H
H
So
in
this
example,
it'd
be
probably
easy
to
imagine.
You
know
those
properties
in
green
here
that
now
they
just
missed
the
cut
off,
but
they're
included
on
a
block
with
neighbors
that
received
the
notice
it'd
be
easy
to
imagine
them
getting
a
letter,
be
a
fairly
easy
code
amendment
to
write
as
well.
As
you
know,
these
other
green
properties.
H
H
H
You
know,
if
they're
getting
the
notification,
why
not
those
across
the
street
that
you
know
there's
no
other
than
wetland,
there's
no
property
in
between
so
the
straight-line
approach,
that's
required
by
statute.
It's
not
perfect,
but
it's
at
least
objective
for
this,
whereas
this
neighborhood
approaches
it's
much
more
subjective
and
also
keep
in
mind.
H
There
are
private
mailing
services
that
might
have
a
little
bit
more
up-to-date
addresses,
however,
they're
careful
not
to
share
that
exact
address,
and
so
you'd
have
to
use
their
mailing
service.
So
that's
an
increased
cost
per
mailing.
You
know
maybe
a
few
hundred
dollars
extra
per
mailing,
but
I've
also
heard
mixed
reviews
of
those.
You
know,
sometimes
with
those
bulk
mailings
and
apartments.
H
H
So
that
could
be
an
option.
However,
there
might
still
be
issues
with
translation.
I
imagine
even
for
english
speakers.
Some
of
this
language
might
be
difficult
to
interpret,
and
you
know
things
like
conditional
use.
Permit
probably
don't
translate
very
well,
but
at
the
very
least
there
might
be
ways
to
to
make
it
more
understandable
in
other
languages.
H
Postcards
I
mentioned
is
an
approach.
Other
cities
use
the
intent.
Is
that
it's
a
little
bit
more
user-friendly?
You
know
you.
Can
you
don't
have
to
open
it?
You
can
quickly
interpret
a
postcard
and
then
some
online
tools.
So
we
have
a
few
websites
already,
but
we
continue
to
evaluate
those
tools.
We
have
that
new.
Let's
talk
site
for
engagement,
of
course,
there's
social
media
is
always
an
option.
H
H
H
A
F
H
H
We
do
have
our
code
requirement
that
the
owner
notify
the
occupant,
but
you
know
that
doesn't
always
happen.
So
it's
not
uncommon
that
we,
you
know,
receive
that
complaint
that
they
did
not
receive
a
mailing.
Now,
when
we
do
go
back
and
check
our
records,
we
can.
We
can
see
that
it
was
sent
free,
but
you
know
for
some
reason
or
another:
they
they
don't
receive
it
or
maybe
don't
recall
it
marker
guard.
B
Yeah
so
mr
chair,
commissioner,
albrecht,
I
would
say
the
majority
of
cases
we
just
don't
hear
anything
from
anybody,
but
of
the
cases
where
we
do
hear
from
people,
I
would
say
maybe
25
of
the
time
somebody
will
say.
Well,
you
know
I
didn't
receive
the
notice
and
I
think
I
should
have
and
in
some
cases
they
should
have,
but
for
whatever
reason,
whether
it's
failure
and
mail
delivery
or
it
was
misplaced
or
the
name-
is
wrong
in
the
records,
for
example
yeah
that
can
happen.
E
Thank
you,
chair
and
mr
james
for
your
presentation,
I'm
very
passionate
about.
I
mean
I'm
a
planner
professionally
and
I
really
value
the
importance
of
the
notifications
to
the
neighborhoods,
because
projects
developers
come
and
go,
but
the
projects
they
develop
stay
in
the
community
and
the
people
surrounding
that
community
are
there
for
good
and
they've
invested
all
of
their.
You
know
energy
and
passion
in
staying
in
that
community,
so
one
I
did
not
know
that
there
were
neighborhoods
in
minneapolis.
I
work
in
minneapolis.
E
Excuse
me
neighborhoods
in
bloomington,
so
in
minneapolis
you
know
we
part
of
the
application
process
is
that
you
are
required
as
an
applicant
to
notify
the
neighborhood
and
attend
their
meetings
and
kind
of
explain
your
project,
whether
the
neighborhood
hates
it
or
not,
and
in
this
case
I
it's
recommended,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
there
is
not
an
established
neighborhood,
then
what
do
you
recommend
to
how
do
you?
How
would
an
applicant
then
move
forward
in
that?
Since
it's
in
recommendation,
then
I
can
ignore
it.
Since
it's
not
a
requirement.
E
So
I
value
that-
and
I
don't
know
how
you
create
neighborhoods,
because
neighborhoods
are
essentially
formed
by
the
community's
interest,
so
you
can't
force
it
upon
them.
So
maybe
I'm
just
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
comment
or
a
question
or
whatever,
but
I
do
question
the
recommendation
of
the
neighborhood
engagement,
but
I
do
see
the
importance
of
it
and
if,
if
something
did
exist,
I
think
it
would
be
better
to
it
to
be
mandatory.
E
H
Yeah
so,
commissioner
abdi,
I
can
answer
both
of
those
I
believe
condos
receive
that
notice.
If
it's
you
know,
if
it's
each
owned
separately,
they
should
receive
the
notice.
The
other
comment
you
had
on
the
neighborhoods
I
should
clarify
so
staff
is
not
recommending
that
we
notify
by
neighborhoods.
You
touch
the
point.
No,
we
don't
have
neighborhoods
so
it'd
be
difficult
to
do
so.
You
know,
ideally
if
we
had
neighborhoods,
that
would
be
an
easier
recommendation,
but
without
those
yes,
staff
does
not
recommend
notifying
by
neighborhoods.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair
for
the
clarification
some
of
the
almost
I'm
pretty
sure
that
minneapolis
neighborhoods
are
actually
funded
through
the
nrp
program,
or
so
they
are
funded
and,
as
you
said,
chair,
they
are
staffed,
so
they
have
regular
meetings,
regular
agendas.
They
have
committees,
whether
it's
housing,
economic
development,
so
they're
actually
well-run
entities
to
some
extent,
but
they
they
are
well
known
that
they
can
actually
communicate
with
their
own
boundary
residents
and
inform
them
that
there
is
a
project
coming
to
their
site
and
as
a
resident
of
that
boundary
neighborhood.
E
G
G
So
do
additional
notifications
mean
you
will
have
more
participation,
or
would
you
end
up
spending
this
money
and
still
get
the
same
results?
The
other
thing
is
when
it
comes
to
the
the
non-english
options.
I
think
that's
a
good
point,
because
obviously
there's
many
people
that
will
probably
get
those
notifications
and
you
know
what
does
this
exactly
mean?
I
didn't
even
have
an
idea
what
it
might
mean
and
then,
on
top
of
that
is
in
a
different
language.
G
So
I
understand
also
that
doing
the
translation,
especially
considering
that
we
might
have
several
different
languages.
It's
it
can
be
a.
It
can
be
a
little
challenging,
like
you
said,
you
know
the
acreage
of
the
language,
for
example,
in
the
middle
of
that
translation,
a
lot
of
things
might
get
lost,
also
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
people
will
open
that
piece
of
mail
and
would
also
read
it
and
would
also
participate
or
of
the
of
the
hearings,
so
there's
not
necessarily
a
guarantee.
G
That
says,
if
you
need
a
further
explanation
of
this
or
translation
in
your
language
in
your
desired
language,
please
call
this
line
so
having
like
language
lines
in
different.
So
if
you
have
staff
in
the
city
that
can
you
know
somebody
if
I'm
a
resident,
and
I
really
want
to
know
what
is
happening
and
what's
going
on
and
I
really
need
to
translate
an
interpreter,
I
can
grab
the
phone
and
call
and
say
hey.
I
got
this
in
my
own
language
and
and
then
receive
more
more
help.
A
A
It's
just
the
natural
evolution
of
our
city,
and
so
there's
a
part
of
me
that
feels
like
I'm,
I'm
more
inclined
to
be
at
the
the
350,
what
what's
required
by
the
state
and
but
then
also
perhaps
into
you
know,
mr
james,
you
hit
on
this
whether
it's
350
500
a
thousand
five
miles.
There
will
always
be
somebody
across
the
street.
There
will
always
be
somebody
who
was
left
out,
and
so
you
know
we
just
talked
about
in
item
one.
You
know
with
our
environmental
impact
things
of
that
nature
that
we
adopt.
A
The
code
was
to
the
state
standard.
You
know
we
could
have
different
standards
for
those
things,
but
we
have
decided
that
the
state
standard
is
sufficient
or
that
it
would
be
overly
onerous
or
burdensome
on
landowners
or
developers
to
go
beyond
that,
and
so
my
instinct
is
to
be
more
and
looking
at
that
chart
of
what
our
neighboring
cities
do.
There's
a
you
know:
edina
has
a
big
circle,
but
except
for
a
couple
of
on
one
side
of
the
column
or
the
other,
most
everyone
else
is
doing
the
statute.
A
You
know.
Could
we
have
a
system
in
place
eventually
whereby,
when
individual
a
comes
to
city
hall,
to
sign
up
for
water
service,
that
we
give
them
the
opportunity
to
provide
an
email
address?
And
then
we
have
that
on
file?
And
maybe
350
gets
the
the
legally
required
postcard
or
a
letter,
but
we
have
a
practice
of
up
to
500
or
a
thousand.
A
If
you
have
an
email
address
on
file
and
so
again
I
I
recognize
that
not
everybody
has
that,
but
I
also
know
that
nowadays,
most
most
people
I
mean
I
have
a
91
year
old
grandma,
who
is
on
email
just
as
much
as
anybody?
I
know
so
you
know
maybe
she's
an
outlier,
but
the
point
being
that
we're
reaching
a
point
where
that's
an
acceptable
method
of
communication.
A
If
we
want
to
go
beyond
kind
of
the
core
to
the
question
about
strategies,
you
know
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
going
the
postcard
route
as
long
as
we're,
including
the
information
that
we're
required
to
include
by
statute.
I
think
the
example
of
the
letter.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
wonderful
letter.
It
includes
a
lot
of
good
information
as
a
resident.
I
would
find
that
very
helpful
if
we're
trying
to
again
figure
out
where
the
balance
of
staff
time
burden
cost.
A
What
is
the
right
information
to
the
point
of
accessibility
and
other
languages?
You
know
we
is
what
is
the
right
standard?
We
produce
eight
and
a
half
by
eleven
in
one
language
and
either
have
no
reference
to
or
a
sentence,
as
commissioner
corman
recommended
for
other
options,
and
that's
okay
to
do
that.
But
again,
if
you
have
less
information
that
either
takes
you
to
a
web
page
or
a
phone
number.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll
kind
of
just
go
down
the
list
of
some
of
the
various
things
proposed
here
and
and
just
give
my
thoughts
on
them.
We
talked
about
the
notification
of
the
neighborhood.
I
agree
that
I
think
we
should
stick
with
a
certain
distance.
I
think
it's
the
only
way
to
keep
it
fair
and
we're
going
to
get
more
complaints.
If
we,
if
we
do
it
any
differently,
and
so
I'm
in
favor
of
keeping
it
at
a
certain
distance,
I
would
be
amenable
to
350
feet.
B
I
could
also
stay
at
500.
I
don't
feel
we
need
to
enlarge
it
for
what
everyone
has
already
said.
There's
always
going
to
be
somebody
left
out
regarding
notification
of
renters.
I
find
that
to
be
important
and
something
I
would
be
in
favor
of
I
rented
in
the
city
for
a
long
time,
and
I'm
quite
sure
I
never
saw
one
thing
from
the
city,
and
I
wish
I
had
because
I
maybe
would
have
joined
this
commission
earlier.
B
Who
knows,
but
I
think
getting
people
interested
in
the
public
process
early
as
renters
or
you
know,
if
you're
a
renter,
you
might
be
new
to
bloomington,
and
so
it's
good
to
get
those
folks
engaged,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
more
consideration
for
including
renters
in
regards
to
language.
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
brought
up
the
difficulties
in
doing
that.
I
would
second
those
difficulties,
but
I
do
like
commissioner
corman's
recommendation
of
if
you
would
like
a
translation.
Please
see
this.
B
I
think
that's
a
smart
way
to
do
it
regarding
postcards
I'm
in
favor
of
it.
If
it
saves
money
and
it's
probably
more
attractive
to
look
at,
I
can
get
behind
the
idea
of
postcards
and
I
think
on
that
postcard
you
could,
if
you
want
the
full
information
that
we're
providing
now
in
my
mind,
that
postcard
would
include
a
link
that
says
for
additional
information,
see
see
the
website,
and
so
I
think
that
accomplishes
what
we
want
to
do.
So
I
would
be
in
favor
of
the
postcards.
D
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I'm
not
going
to
echo
or
repeat
everything.
That's
been
said,
but
two
things
that
came
to
my
mind
is
all
of
these
mailings
equals
a
lot
of
paper,
and
so
I
think
about
sustainability,
and
do
we
really
want
to
be
cutting
down
trees
where
we
don't
need?
So
I
agree
with
the
smaller
distance
to
the
350
or
we
can
keep
it
to
500,
but
do
we
really
need
to
do
eight
and
a
half
by
eleven
with
an
envelope
I
think,
postcards
much
more
sustainable
and
and
it's
more
approachable
as
well?
D
The
other
thing
that
I
looked
at
too
is
you
know
how
do
we
get
around
this?
This
circumference
and
and
people
being
left
out,
and
I
really
look
at
mr
james.
You
had
a
picture
of
the
sign
that
was
on
the
corner
of
that
new
development.
I
think
we
should
have
signs
on
those
properties
on
all
of
the
corners
so
that
the
residents
that
are
living
that
own
that
drive
down
the
street
maybe
go
to
the
school.
D
They
don't
live
in
the
in
the
proximity
but
they're
in
the
school
next
to
it,
and
they
can
see
that
and
find
out
more
information.
I
think
that's
the
most
equitable
way
for
anyone
that
maybe
lives
works,
educates
walks
down
the
street
to
get
that
information
and
know
that
there's
something
coming
down,
and
I
also
see
that
as
a
sustainable
approach,
because
you
can
reuse
that
sign
in
the
entire
city
of
bloomington.
So
those
are
my
two
pieces
of
of
information
or
feedback,
and
I
like
the
signage-
and
I
like
the
postcards.
G
So
for
this
requirement,
does
that
requirement
will
eventually
have
an
option
of
maybe
opting
up
paper?
You
know
not
receiving
paper.
Can
I
just
get
an
email?
I
guess
it
takes
also
a
very
responsible
resident
to
be
looking.
You
know
to
be
on
top
of
those,
but
there
must
be
a
reason
why
it's
still
paper,
but
I'm
wondering
you
know,
is
that
something
that
maybe
has
been
considered
or
is
being
considered
for
the
future
and
then
the
importance
of
the
this
public
process.
G
You
know
the
awareness
of
the
public
process
that
you
mentioned
our
schools.
You
know
once
again
that
connection
that
a
city
and
school
district
has
because
I
think
it's
also
very
important
that
we
we
continue
to
work
and
with
our
public
schools,
our
old
schools,
to
to
help
our
students
understand
how
this
type
of
process
works.
So
because
someday
that's
the
kind
of
thing
they
need
to
know
as
homeowners
or
renters.
B
Thanks,
mr
chair
commissioner
corman
was,
did
I
understand
correctly
you're,
proposing
like
an
opt-out
clause
if
you're
a
homeowner
and
don't
want
to
get
any
more
mailings,
you
could,
I
think,
that's
a
smart
idea.
I
don't
know
if
state
statute
would
allow
us
to
have
an
opt-out
clause,
I'm
seeing
a
no,
but
maybe
maybe
in
a
future
world
we
could.
We
could
see
something
like
that.
F
I
I
love
this
idea.
My
only
concern
is
that
people
move
and
then
what
happens
then,
and
as
someone
who
works
for
a
trade
organization-
and
I
understand
how
hard
it
is
to
keep
emails
up
to
date
and
having
emails
of
the
entire
city
sounds
like
an
administrative
nightmare
to
me.
But
I
also
think
that
the
the
beauty
of
actually
mailing
a
piece-
and
I
agree-
I
think
the
postcard
is
the
way
to
go-
is
that
especially
a
postcard
that
you
don't
have
to
open?
F
E
Thank
you,
chair
for
a
person
who
has
actually
sent
out
notices
before
for
planning.
Commission.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
to
staff,
because
maybe
some
of
you
on
the
commission
have
not
seen
the
notification
letter
before
how
much
detail
is
that
include
because
in
my
case
it
would
be
like
if
there
is
a.
Is
this
a
sample?
E
Yes,
thank
you.
That's
a
lot
of
information,
that's
what
I
would
expect.
Yes,
I
think
all
of
these
are
great
information
that
I
feel
like
a
postcard
would
not
be
feasible
for,
and
I
think
us,
the
notifier
being
a
government
entity.
I
think
there's
a
reason
why
we
continue
to
be
just
outdated
with
how
we
communicate
so,
I
think,
trying
to
be
innovative
in
trying
to
communicate
with
residents
through
innovation.
E
I
think
it's
going
to
take
some
time
and
for
us
to
immediately
cut
off
this
detailed
information
that
I
would
care
about
as
a
resident.
If
I
were
to
get
that,
if
I
get
a
postcard
that
says,
there's
a
public
hearing
and
I'm
like
well
what
kind
of
public
hearing
I
don't
care
so
much
about
a
public
hearing,
but
if
it
said
there
is
a
five-story,
you
know
10-story,
building
being
developed
at
this
location,
I'm
like
well,
this
is
going
to
be
too
crazy.
H
A
Because
I
would
my
thought
on,
that
would
be
if,
if,
when
you
come
back
or
based
on
what
you
hear
from
this,
the
council,
if,
when
you
come
back,
if,
if
the
recommendation,
when
it's
here
for
action,
is
a
postcard,
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
sample
of
what
that
postcard
would
be.
And
then,
perhaps
even
when
it
comes
back,
this
current
one
with
you
know
highlighted
areas
that
are
still
covered
in
areas
that
would
be
an
apple
or
a
resident
would
have
to
seek
out.
B
F
I
would
say
the
exact
same
thing.
I
think
commissioner
abdi
myself
included,
as
you
know,
and
my
masters
in
planning
too,
and
I
would
look
at
this
and
be
like
oh
interesting,
I'll,
look
into
it
right,
but
I'm
a
total
planning
nerd,
and
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
But
but
for
someone
else,
if
you
have
that
narrative
and
the
narrative
says,
like
commissioner
abby
said
a
10-story
building
at
this
address,
I'd
be
like
okay
right
and
my
husband,
probably
would
who
does
not
care
at
all
would
be
like.
F
I
just
think
you
know,
I
think
people
don't
read
number
one
and
people
what
they
do
read
is
in
twitter's
like
twitter
length
of
information
and
if
we
can
provide
I'm
not
saying
get
rid
of
a
lot
of
this,
but
at
least
provide
enough
information
that
the
people
who
really
want
it
can
go
find
more.
I
think
that's
important.
E
Respectively,
I
feel
like
we're
doing
a
lot
of
generalizations
of
what
our
communities
would
read
or
would
not
read.
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
communication.
That's
coming
from
the
planning
commission,
or
anything
of
the
notices
that
are
going
to
residents
about
development,
certainly
will
impact
a
property
owner.
So
if
the
language
were
to
say
there
is
a
development
that
may
impact
your
property,
you
know-
and
it's
that's
just
that
one
sentence
and
this
address,
then
it
would
pique
my
interest.
Yes,
as
a
planner.
E
I
have
certainly
I
read
things
differently
and
my
interests
are
certainly
different,
but
as
a
person
like
the
lady
who's
recently
was
coming
here
to
talk
about
the
impact
it
would
have
having
that
bowling
alley
in
that
location.
If
she
was
not
notified,
I
mean
she
was
right
behind
the
property,
but
if
she
was
not
notified,
then
that
certainly
everything
she
talked
about
was
about
the
impact,
her
property,
her
life,
her
living-ness
of
that
space.
E
I
don't
think
that
was
a
good
terminology,
but
I
am
for
trimming
down
the
language
to
one
a
half
a
page
or
whatever,
but
a
lot
of
the
details
are
certainly
things
that
are
important
to
an
individual
to
decide
that
this
development
may
impact
my
property
or
my
property,
whatever
the
case
may
be.
So
how
do
you
clean
that
up,
I
think,
would
be
for
staff
to
play
around
with
that,
but
I
do
find
the
interpretation
that
we
don't
read,
but
we
do
read
things
that
are
important
to
us
in
our
property.
E
H
This
has
been
really
helpful
discussion.
I
can
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
with
in
terms
of
distance
to
either
maintain
or
maybe
even
lower
that
distance
and
then
the
neighborhood
approach.
We
were
against
that
and
then
all
of
these
others
it
sounded
like
general
support,
for
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
discussion
about
online
presence.
Yet,
however,
I
know
that
we're
doing
some
of
that
already.
H
A
A
B
So
one
of
the
things
your
rules
of
procedure
include
is
a
required
review
of
the
rules
of
procedure
once
per
year
at
your
first
august
meeting.
So
we're
here
and
staff
has
two
proposed
changes
and
you
may
have
many
others,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
it
tonight,
but
in
terms
of
the
two
staff
proposed
changes,
they're,
both
cleanup
items
earlier
this
year,
you
decided
to
change,
get
rid
of
study
meetings
and
do
study
items
like
we
had
tonight
at
your
regular
meetings
so
that
they're,
televised
and
and
more
transparent.
B
B
Special
meetings
have
been
very
rare
for
the
planning
commission
and
then
in
change,
1.4,
just
getting
rid
of
study
meetings
and
referencing
special
meetings
in
terms
of
where
they're
held
so
two
clean
up
recommendations,
and
then
these
these
other
changes
that
showed
up
in
your
packet.
Those
were
made
either
in
2019
or
2020.
B
A
B
Thanks,
mr
chair,
while
we
were
all
doing
these
meetings
at
home,
we
started
doing
our
votes
by
roll
call
in
here
when
we're
in
the
chambers.
We
do
not
do
votes
by
roll
call.
Mr
markikar,
do
you
have
any
background
on
why
we
didn't
do
them
by
roll
call
previously
and
I'd
like
to
have
a
conversation
about
possibly
moving
in
that
direction?
B
B
The
statutes
do
not
require
roll
call
in
person.
There's
nothing
to
stop
you
from
from
doing
that.
It's
more
just,
I
think,
a
time
issue
of.
Do
you
want
to
invest
the
time
in
in
the
roll
call
votes
historically,
if
there's
been
any
doubt
on
who's
voting,
which
way
you
know,
the
chair
typically
asks
for
a
show
of
hands.
B
A
And
I,
if
I
can
add
that
too,
I
believe
robert's
rules
of
order
also
provides
for,
although
we
may
typically
take
voice
votes.
Any
commissioner
can
request
a
roll
call
vote
on
any
item.
So
if
if
we
could
go
any
direction,
but
if
we,
if
the
general
direction
was,
we
would
continue
to
do
voice
votes,
but
maybe
you
know
just
being
aware
that
any
commissioner
on
any
one
item
can
say
you
know
when
we
say
you
know,
we
have
a
motion.
A
A
second
any
further
discussion,
a
commissioner
could
say
I
would
like
to
request
a
roll
call
vote
and
that
doesn't
require
any
second
or
any
further
request.
It
just
is
that's
one
of
the
prerogatives
of
the
commissioner,
so
I
don't
I'm
not
prejudging
one
way
or
the
other,
I'm
just
letting.
You
know
there
is
another
option
too.
B
Yeah
thanks
for
that
background
information,
I
certainly
recognize
the
interest
of
time
with
with
doing
voice
votes
and
certainly
for
something
like
closing
a
public
hearing.
That
generally
seems
to
be
the
way
to
go.
I
wouldn't
be
against
having
a
roll
call
vote
for
our
final
action
on
an
item
so
I'll
leave
that
to
others.
If
they'd
like
to
discuss
good.
G
G
G
I
know
like
for
things
that
are
specific,
like
in
other
organizations.
It
also
depends
of
things
that
are
related
to
employees,
for
example,
or
contracts,
things
that
are
very
specific.
But
obviously
we
do
not
do
that
in
here,
so
otherwise
there
is
no
need,
but
for
the
televised
televised
sessions
or
meetings,
it
was
a
requirement
because
it
was
not
for
sure
you
know
when
you,
when
you
all
go,
I
it
was
not
specific
on
the
screen
who
who
did
say
the
I
it's
it's
a
lot.
D
Indifferent
thanks
mr
chair,
I
I
guess
for
being
sensitive
to
time.
I
I
appreciate
us
now
just
being
able
to
do
I
together
every
day
together,
but
obviously,
when
someone's
remote,
it
makes
sense
to
do
it
by
role.
I
also
like
the
idea
of
if
we
do
want
to
do
it
by
roll
call.
We
have
that
option
on
the
fly,
so
I'm
I'm
just
in
favor
of
having
that
option
be
known
and
then
keep
it
the
way
it
is
today.