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From YouTube: January 28, 2021 Bloomington Planning Commission Meeting
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Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting
A
All
right,
thank
you
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
january
28th
bloomington
planning,
commission
meeting.
The
planning
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues,
some
of
the
items
the
planning
commission
has
final
decision
authority
and
others.
The
city
council
will
make
the
final
decision.
As
in
our
item
tonight,
planning
commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteers
tonight.
Five
of
us
are
here
so
we
have
a
quorum
and
each
of
us
serves
up
to
three
years
at
a
time.
A
A
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
the
republic
for
which
it
stands:
one
nation,
under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all
all
right,
mr
marker
guard,
as
we
have
for
so
many
meetings
before.
Do
you
want
to
provide
information
to
the
public
out
there
for
our
first
item
tonight.
B
Sure,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
we
are
again
in
a
remote
meeting
setting
due
to
the
pandemic.
This
is
actually
our
19th
remote
meeting
since
the
pandemic
began.
We
do
have
one
public
hearing
on
the
agenda
tonight.
That's
item
number
one,
and
even
though
most
of
the
commissioners
are
remote
and
all
of
the
applicants
and
public
are
remote,
you
can
call
in
and
testify
for
item
number
one
and
the
number
is
on
the
screen.
It's.
B
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
cookton.
Mr
centenario.
We
still
have
a
quorum.
Will
you
give
us
a
staff
report
for
the
first
item?
Please.
D
Yes,
mr
chair
good
evening,
good
evening,
can
you
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
you
sure.
Can
okay
great!
Thank
you.
D
So
your
your
one
public
hearing
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
a
redevelopment
proposal
at
81,
31,
34th
avenue,
and
this
is
within
our
south
luke
district
along
essentially
where
east
old
chakopi
becomes
34th
avenue,
and
the
proposal
is
for
a
revision
to
a
long-standing
preliminary
development
plan
for
apple
tree
square.
You've
reviewed
some
other
revisions
to
this
with
the
american
square
development
more
recently
and
then
also
being
proposed
as
a
final
development
plan
for
a
146
unit,
age-restricted
multi-family
building.
D
So
I'm
bringing
up
the
original
preliminary
development
plan
from
from
decades
ago
and
the
the
parcel
that
or
the
piece
of
land
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
tonight
is
is
outlined
in
red
and
if
you
can
see
the
other
housing
development
that
that
was
that's
not
outlined.
Well,
that's
that's
housing
that
was
implemented
and
the
one
in
red.
I
was
obviously
never
materialized
and
was
developed
as
a
surface
parking
lot,
which
we'll
we'll
show
you
more
in
a
moment.
D
And
let
me
just
make
an
adjustment
here.
A
D
Okay,
there
we
go.
Thank
you,
so
here's
an
aerial
image
of
this
area.
So
this
is
a
you
know,
oblique
view,
and
you
can
see
the
that
housing
development
that
was
originally
proposed.
That
was,
you
know,
developed
of
course,
and
then
here's
the
surface
parking
lot.
That's
the
subject
of
our
proposal
tonight,
and
so
this
is.
D
This
is
a
piece
of
land
along
the
minnesota
river
valley
bluff,
and
so
there
are
slope,
there's
a
substantial
slope
just
on
the
the
south
and
east
portions
of
the
site,
which
you
know,
makes
development
more
challenging,
but
then
also
provides
an
opportunity
from
for
some
pretty
spectacular
views
of
the
river
valley.
So
it
is
a
very
appealing
site
for
residential
development
to
be
sure,
but
as
you
can
see,
you
know
that
right
off
of
the
street,
you
have
this.
D
D
So
from
the
street
it
looks,
it
looks,
you
know
fairly
innocuous.
It's
a
tiered
parking
lot.
So
along
34th
avenue,
you
have
some
parking,
but
then
it
it
slopes
down.
So
you
have
additional
parking
that
you
can't
see
in
this
particular
image,
but
the
existing
office
building,
which
is
not
in
this
and
this
image,
is
served
by
a
write
out
only
as
you
exit
the
site
and
that's
something
that
the
applicant
and
the
fire
marshal
wants
to
change
in
order
to
to
create
a
write-in
right
out.
D
So
here's
the
an
image
of
the
site
plan
with
the
building
that
is
out.
You
know
it's
in
that
yellow
color
and
you
know.
Obviously
you
see
the
the
bluff
along
the
east
to
the
southeast
portion
of
the
site
and
the
the
design
team
really
tried
to
to
locate
a
building
that
maximized.
D
Just
to
give
you
a
feel
for
kind
of
the
the
change
you
know
between
the
existing
retaining
wall
and
the
proposed
building.
I
I
added
the
location
of
the
existing
retaining
wall
in
red,
so
you
can
kind
of
get
a
good
feel
for
you
know
how
this
building
would
fit
on
the
slot,
so
it
it
really
tries
the
design
really
tries
to
utilize
the
I
guess
filled
area
or
the
the
surface
parking
lot
to
the
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
There
are
some
small
areas,
especially
in
the
south
end
of
the
site.
D
That
is
not.
You
know,
part
of
that
surface
parking
lot
area,
but
in
large
part
they
tried
to
use
the
existing
area,
that's
close
to
street
level
for
their
for
their
proposed
building
and
here's
a
close-up
image
of
the
main
entrance.
So
this
is
the
northwest
corner
of
the
building,
and
this
is
where
you
see
that
right
out,
that
would
become
a
right
in
right
out.
D
So
from
this
site
you
would
not
be
able
to
turn
left
to
go
south
on
34th
avenue,
there's
a
there's
a
median
there,
but
there
is
access
from
where
my
cursor
is
to
the
north
and
then
at
apple
tree
square.
There's,
a
private
road
that
that
is
signal.
That
has
a
signal.
So
you
can
go
folks
that
are
going.
Southbound
can
turn
into
this
development,
and
you
can
go
south
from
from
apple
tree
square.
D
D
Even
though
the
this
blue
area
is
only
about
570
square
feet,
it
allows
the
or
would
allow
the
the
building
to
be
shifted
slightly
towards
the
public
right-of-way
and
that
it
makes
it
easier
to
to
build
a
building.
But
then
it
also
has
less
impact
on
the
slope.
If
you
recall
that
just
how
steep
that
slope
is
kind
of
straight
on
the
building
towards
the
street
reduces
the
the
bluff
impact,
so
staff
is
supportive
of
of
that
vacation.
It
is,
it
is
a
separate
application
review
process,
but
what
it
will.
D
What
is
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
for
a
preliminary
and
final
plat,
which
would
essentially
combine
that
vacated
right-of-way
into
the
developable
parcel.
So
on
the
left
here
you
see
the
preliminary
plat
and
it
you
know
obviously
there's
way
too
much
information
to
really
see
what's
going
on
there.
But
then
here
is
just
a
snippet
of
the
final
plat.
You
can
see
that
roughly
570
square
foot
area
of
proposed
vacated
right-of-way
that
would
that
would
essentially
just
improve
the
developability
of
of
the
proposed
building.
D
Here's
a
rendering
of
the
building
itself,
so
this
is
looking
south
east.
So
essentially,
this
is
the
most
prominent
corner
of
the
building
relative
to
the
public
realm,
where
you
see
that
signage,
that
this
is
really
at
the
the
main
entrance
where
that
right
in
right
out
is
so,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
six
story:
building
the
the
materials
palette
is
similar
to
what
we've
seen
with
other
developments.
Obviously
there's
a
there's
quite
a
bit
of
glass
on
the
first
level,
which
is
which
is
a
really
attractive
inclusion.
D
Your
a
lot
of
your
amenity
spaces,
the
the
leasing
office
fitness
center
will
be
along
this.
This
glass
area-
and
you
know
the
other
materials
that
are
being
proposed,
of
course-
are
the
windows
and
then
metal
panels
with
fiber
cement
so
similar,
similar
path
that
we've
seen
but
like
like.
We
like
to
see
a
staff,
a
lot
of
glass
on
the
first
level
to
at
least
provide
some
some
visual
activation,
and
this
is
looking
the
other
way.
D
So
you
can
see
the
six
stories
of
residential
levels
and
then
you
have
an
amenity
terrace
with
a
pool,
but
then
you
also
see
the
the
substantial
exposed
foundation
and
that's
for
the
structured
parking.
So
this
development
would
have
two
levels
of
structured
parking
beneath
the
six
stories
of
residential
floors.
D
So,
with
the
landscaping
plan,
of
course,
with
every
development
we
require
a
landscaping
plan
and
the
applicant's
plan
meets
the
landscape
quantity.
We
did
get
some
feedback
from
residents
about
landscaping
and
there
were
some
questions
about
how
the
you
know:
awesome
trees,
whether
or
not
some
mature
trees
were
going
to
be
removed
and
and
how
some
additional
landscaping
could
be
accommodated
mainly
between
the
proposed
building
and
the
existing
condominium
building.
D
So
that
that's
something
where
we
are
cognizant
of
and
spoken
to
the
applicant,
and
I
think
we
can
make
some
improvements,
which
you
know
I'll
point
out
shortly,
but
I
wanted
to
also
identify
you
know
this.
This
is
a
a
forested
parcel.
D
You
know
outside
outside
the
parking
lot
along
the
bluff,
and
so
there
would
be
some
mature
trees
that
removed,
but
if
you
can
make
out
these
light
gray
circles
throughout
this
eastern
portion
of
the
site,
those
are
all
the
mature
trees
that
would
be
retained,
so
I
think
the
applicant,
while
they
do
need
to
remove
some
trees
to
allow
this
construction
move
forward.
I
think
there
are
substantial
number
of
mature
trees
that
would
be
retained
with
this.
D
With
this
project,
which
is
good
to
see
here's
that
area,
the
landscaping
plan
that
I
mentioned
just
briefly
this
this
dashed
red
area,
so
that
the
existing
condominium
building
is
quite
close
to
the
property
line
between
these
two
parcels,
and
so
there's
there's
not
much
of
a
setback
either
on
either
side.
But
there
are
some
coniferous
trees
that
would
be
removed
and
currently
the
landscaping
plan
isn't
showing
any
screening
or
landscaping
on
along
this
along
this
property
line.
D
D
One
other
element
of
the
landscaping
plan
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
again:
you
can
gotta
get
a
better
feel
for
the
mature
trees
that
would
be
retained,
and
then
this
this
area,
this
dashed
or
hatching
area
that
you
can't
it's
kind
of
difficult
to
see,
but
there's
a
number
of
trees
that
they're
proposing
to
plant
along
or
within
that
bluff
area.
But
this
is
this
is
an
area.
That's
actually
currently
part
of
that
surface
parking
lot,
and
this
hatched
area
is
essentially
area
that
they're
re-establishing
a
bluff
and
then
adding
some
trees.
D
With
any
development
with
20
or
more
units,
we
do
have
an
affordability
requirement,
so
there's
a
lot
of
text
on
the
slide,
but
it
relates
to
our
opportunity,
housing,
ordinance
or
oho,
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
meet
our
oho
requirements
and
in
nine
percent
of
146,
is
13
and
change.
D
So
we
round
up
to
14
units
and
they
are
proposing
14
units
with
a
mix
of
one
and
two
bedrooms,
and
so
they
are
meeting
that
standard
and
they
do
are
able
they're
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
oh
incentives
related
to
parking.
They
are
seeking
a
deviation
for
parking
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
moment
and
then
also
the
alternative
materials.
D
D
So
with
parking
like
a
lot
of
development
in
our
south
development
or
southwest
district,
they
are
seeking
a
reduction
in
parking.
Our
parking
code
essentially
is
for
freestanding
independent
uses,
but
when
you
have
uses
that
are
in
close
proximity
and
share
can
share
parking,
that's
not.
D
We
don't
have
an
automatic
reduction,
and
so,
depending
on
the
amount
of
deviation
that
is
being
sought,
we
go
through
a
parking
study
and
that's
what
was
that
in
this
case,
where
a
third-party
engineering
firm
did
a
parking
analysis
and
they
found
that
the
parking
is
proposed,
which
is
285
stalls
between
the
existing
office
building
and
the
surface
parking,
and
the
two
levels
of
structured
parking
is
more
than
adequate,
and
the
estimated
peak
demand
is
substantially
less
in
the
stud
that
the
study
concluded
than
the
285
stalls
that
are
proposed.
D
65
of
those
stalls
are
intended
to
be
shared.
You
know.
Certainly
the
existing
office
building
would
be
selling
this
land
for
development
and
a
lot
of
surface
parking
would
go
away,
so
they
are
working
out
a
deal
to
allow
some
shared
parking
which,
which
is
good
to
see
it.
It
just
maximizes
the
the
use
of
stalls
and
fewer
stalls
that
are
sitting
vacant
throughout
the
day.
D
But
again,
you
know
we're
we're
comfortable
with
the
deviation
that's
being
proposed,
based
on
the
study's
conclusion
and
feel
it's
a
you
know,
an
unacceptable
level
of
reduction
so
that
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
revision
to
the
preliminary
and
final
development
plan
and
then
also
recommending
approval
of
the
preliminary
and
final
plat,
and
the
name
of
that
is
for
roars,
34th
avenue
redevelopment
again.
It
should
be
scrolling
on
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
but
to
provide
testimony.
There
may
be
a
few
folks
that
want
to
provide
testimony
this
evening.
D
A
A
With
that
and
again,
even
the
issue
of
the
new
retaining
wall
will
require
some
construction
below
that,
it's
not
as
if
they
can't
touch
the
area
towards
the
river
when
they
construct
that
new
organic
wall.
D
Yeah,
mr
chair
great
question,
so
our
bluff
protection
standards
do
apply
in
in
this
area
and
planning.
Commissioners
may
recall
the
the
city
went
through
an
extensive
study
process
and
and
rewrote
our
bluff
protection
ordinance
or
the
ordinance
section,
and
there
are
some
additional
requirements.
Development
is
not
prohibited
by
any
means
we
do
prohibit
development
below
the
760
foot
elevation.
D
I
believe
the
lowest
point
on
this
project
is
about
seven
or
seven.
Eighty
five,
so
we're
still
well
above
that
prohibited
level,
but
essentially
what
the
applicant
is
going
to
have
to
do
is
they're
going
to
have
to
hire
a
team
of
engineers
and
they're
gonna
have
to
provide
a
lot
of
analysis
and
documentation.
D
They've
provided
some
very
preliminary
review
of
essentially,
which
is
essentially,
as
you
know,
we
reviewed
the
proposal.
We've
gone
out,
we've
seen
the
bluff
and
we
feel
that
this
development
can
be
built
without
impacting
the
slope
and
that
that's
a
great
first
opinion,
but
before
a
permit
is
issued,
they
have
to
certify
with
with
their
analysis,
that
they're
not
going
to
negatively
impact
the
slope
and
also
not
create
drainage
issues
or
change.
D
A
D
Yeah
another
good
question,
so
the
the
storage
that
that's
a
topic
that
often
is
discussed
and
debated.
The
storage
requirements
are
different
between
just
non-age,
restricted
and
age
restricted,
so
the
age
restricted
housing.
It
does
have
a
storage
requirement,
but
it
isn't.
It
is
an
in-unit
storage
requirement,
so
there's
certain
dimension
and
volume
requirements
per
within
the
unit,
whereas
a
you
know
just
a
non-age
restricted
development.
You
know
like
the
family
across
the
street.
There
is
a
requirement
that
is
outside
the
unit.
D
So
a
separate,
you
know,
storage
locker,
if
you
will
elsewhere
in
the
building,
and
so
I
I
don't
believe
the
applicant
has
finalized
their
floor,
their
floor
and
unit
plans
yet,
and
so
that's
something
that
we'll
have
to
confirm
when
we're
doing
our
review,
that
they
meet
those
dimensional
standards
for
the
in-unit
storage.
A
E
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
think
you
have
a
couple.
Mr
centenario
we've
had
a
few
projects
in
this
area
and
we've
heard
over
time
about
capacity
issues
with
sanitary.
E
I
see
their
reference
to
it
in
the
findings
about
there's
sufficient
capacity
once
planned.
Improvements
are
complete.
Where
are
we
at
on
that?
We've
been
adding
a
fair
number
of
things,
and
if
we
are
close
to
capacity,
I
would
hate
to
have
us
a
situation
where
we
need
to
prove
something
that
either
can't
be
occupied
or
creates
a
problem
for
the
city
later
on.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Roman
the.
So
there
are
planned
improvements
to
sewer
sewer
capacity.
You
know
as
part
of
our
review
process.
We
of
course
have
our
utility
engineers
they
do
that
they
complete
that
review
and
they
don't
they
didn't
find
there
to
be
any
significant
conflicts.
D
I
think
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
have
been
raised
relate
to
development
is
a
little
farther
north.
So
I
I
can't
speak
to
exactly.
You
know
how
the
services
are
organized
from
street
to
street,
but
it
is
something
that
was
reviewed
and
given
the
improvements
that
are
that
are
in
the
works
and
will
be
constructed.
E
Okay,
mr
chair,
go
ahead,
one
other
question,
mr
cincinnati.
The
report
indicates
that
the
parking
study
talks
about
residential
and
office
typically
being
uses
that
are
compatible,
which
I
think
is
probably
very
true
in
most
sense
most
situations.
E
F
D
Sure,
mr
mr
chair,
commissioner,
roman
well,
that's
really
good.
That's
a
really
good
point.
You
know,
I
don't
think
there
was
a
that
was
included
directly
in
the
study.
D
I
would
say
that,
based
on
the
anticipated
peak
demand
that
that
was
included
in
the
study,
there's
there's
a
really
substantial
delta
between
the
parking
supply,
that's
proposed
and
what
the
study
anticipated
as
a
peak
demand.
D
So
even
if
the
that
kind
of
that
shared
use
of
the
parking
isn't
quite
perfect
from
what
was
well,
I
mean
it's
a
model,
so
it's
not
gonna
be
perfect,
but
it
isn't
quite
right.
I
think
we
have
an
extra
buffer
in
this
scenario
where
we're
not
going
to
run
into
parking
problems.
E
Okay,
because
again
I'm
just
the
main
thing
is
we're
in
a
part
of
town
where
there
intentionally
is
not
a
lot
of
surplus
parking,
so
example
this
project,
you
know
people
have
guests
whatever
the
timing
is,
and
we
do
run
it
or
the
office
has
visitors
or
clients
or
whatever
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
and
or
for
too
long.
E
A
Any
further
questions,
commissioner,
roman,
no.
E
G
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
have
two
questions,
but
I
found
the
answer.
One
of
them
in
the
report
was
regarding
setbacks.
The
question
I
had
remaining
was
dubai.
I
think
we
did
receive
a
comment
that
one
condo
owner
believes
that
the
proposed
project
would
block
the
view.
G
Can
you
maybe
explain
a
little
bit
about
view
accessibility?
I
know
developments
that
come
before
certain
projects
that
are
closer
to
the
bluff.
I
would
get
no
longer
have
those
views.
Are
there
rights
to
views
here
or
are
there?
I
know
with
project
proposed
it
meets
the
minimum
height
or
the
overall
height
allowed
for
the
location.
G
But
can
you
maybe
explain
a
little
bit
about
folks
who
might
be
watching
who
have
a
condo
or
residential
in
this
area
that
relied
on
that
view
when
they
bought
it,
but
now,
with
the
development
coming
up
that
potentially
blocks
their
view,
can
you
maybe
explain
a
little
bit
about
if
just
that
topic
in
general?
Thank
you.
D
Sure
sure,
mr
chair,
commissioner,
I
don't
believe
that
folks
that
are
accustomed
to
having
a
or
have
had
a
certain
view
for
the
last
you
know,
20
or
so
years,
have
a
vested
right
to
continue
that.
You
know
that,
from
a
from
a
planning
perspective,
this
area
has
been
planned
and
guided
for
high
density,
high
density
development,
really
our
most
intense
development
within
the
city
and
is
owned
in
the
zoned
as
such.
D
D
It's
going
to
have
to
be
multi-store,
multi-level
multi-story
development,
and
that's
the
case
here,
and
so,
while
yeah,
it's
a
it's
folks
that
are
losing
a
losing
a
view,
if
they're
on
the
lower
stories
that
that
is,
that
is
unfortunate
for
them.
But
in
order
to
accommodate
and
implement
the
development
that
we'd
like
to
see
in
this
area,
it
does
require
to
be
multi,
multi-story
and
so
the
folks
that
you
know
reflections,
for
example,
across
the
way.
D
A
Any
further
question
questions,
commissioner:
robdy.
A
All
right-
and
if
I
can
mr
centenary
one
other
question
that
I
know
we
had
some
correspondence
on
and
that's
just
about,
refuse
storage,
and
can
you
elaborate
on
that
from
the
correspondence
I
know
there
was
a
question
about?
Is
that
allowed
outside?
I
think,
on
the
far
eastern
side
of
the
project.
A
D
So
yeah
it
was
a
good
question,
the
related
to
refuse
and
and
where
you
can
put
trash
receptacles,
and
so
the
the
city
code
requires
that
trash
receptacles
be
stored
within
the
building
and
that
that
is
what
the
applicant's
proposing
to
do.
They
do.
They
are
proposing
trash
rooms
within
the
building.
Now
they
also
need
to
figure
out.
Where
are
they
going
to
put
the
tr
the
trash
receptacles
for
pickup
and
the
garbage
truck
needs
to
be
able
to
get
at
those
get
at
those
receptacles?
D
So
that's
what
that
this
loading
and
rough
use
area
is
intended.
It
is
not
their
intent,
nor
is
it
permitted
to
just
leave
the
trash
trash
bins
out
there
permanently.
What
the
you
are.
Of
course,
you
have
to
take
them
out.
Typically,
it's
the
either
the
night
before
or
the
morning
of
pickup
and
then
bring
them
in
later
that
day
and
so
on
pickup
day
yeah.
There
will
be
receptacles
out
here,
but
then
they'll
they
would
have
to
move
them
back
in
within
the
within
the
parking
structure
area.
A
All
right
so
that
that's
really
no
different
than
any
other
larger
housing
development
that
we
have
exactly.
D
Yeah
every
every
high
density
development
they
have.
You
know
they
have
a
trash
room
and
they
have.
I
forget
how
many
what
the
dimensions
of
those
are,
but
I
think
we
all
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
what
they
look
like
and
they
have
to
roll
them
out
to
a
designated
area
for
pickup.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Mr
centauri,
could
you
remind
refresh
my
memory
under
the
oho
the
in
this
case
14
units?
Those
are
typically
defined
units
right,
they're.
They
we
have
different
standards
for
finishes,
and
things
like
that
or
where
you
can
change
your
finishes.
Is
that
accurate.
D
In
terms
of
well,
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
familiar
or
don't
recall
those
standards.
I
I
don't
believe,
there's
really
going
to
be
much
much
of
a
difference
in
the
finishes.
Let
me
maybe
that's
something.
E
Yeah
my
question
isn't
so
much
about
that.
It's
more
of
a
question
for
the
applicant,
but
I
want
to
understand
the
staff
side
about
it
gets
to
you
know
the
oho
summary
talks
about
the
affordable
units
will
be
located
throughout
the
building
and
available
on
each
floor,
and
my
question
was
for
the
applicant
was
going
to
be
about.
Are
they
will
they
all
be
restricted
to
a
street
side
view
or
will
some
have
a
river
meeting?
And
you
know
I
was.
C
E
Is
if
those
units
are
specifically
constructed
to
meet
the
affordable
target
with
a
different
level
of
essentially
finish?
I
thought
that
was
part
of
the
ordinance
when
we
passed
it,
but
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
ensure
that
we
aren't
just
putting
all
of
our
affordable
units
with
the
view
of
the
empty
birth,
the
building
wall
next
door.
D
Sure
understood,
I
think
the
the
applicant
could
address
the
if
they've
been
able
to
determine.
You
know
I
guess
where,
where
the
units
are
located,
but
they,
as
you
mentioned,
they
have
identified,
they
would
be
distributed
through
the
building.
But
I
don't
know
if
they've
determined,
you
know
whether
it's
a
street
side
or
a
bluff
side.
E
A
All
right,
commissioner,
roman,
any
other
questions,
or
would
you
look
for
some
clarity
from
mr
marker
guard
on
that
on
the
opportunity
housing,
ordinance.
E
If
he
has
anything
otherwise,
I
can
certainly
just
ask
the
question
of
the
application.
As.
A
E
A
We'll
look
towards
that
direction
and
and
continue
on
yeah
any
further
questions
for
staff
from
commission
members.
B
Yes,
mr
chair,
we're
joined
tonight
by
shane
lafave
and
james
riley,
mr
lafave.
The
webex
is
not
allowing
me
to
make
you
a
panelist,
so
I
will
unmute
you
and
then
mr
riley
is
a
panelist
and
you
can
mute
and
unmute
yourself.
D
Excellent
well,
thank
you,
everyone
and
good
evening.
This
is
james.
E
F
D
To
the
opportunity
housing
units,
these
exact
units
have
not
been.
A
Right,
thank
you,
mr
riley.
Mr
excuse
me,
mr
roman
commissioner.
Roman,
do
you
have
any
further
questions
for
the
applicant
on
that.
E
A
That
clarifies
thank
you.
Okay,
all
right
are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicants
from
commission
members.
A
Not
seen
any
at
this
point,
thank
you,
mr
riley,
for
your
information.
Do
you
have
anything
else,
you'd
like
to
add
for
us.
E
A
F
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
peas,
and
just
a
reminder
for
everybody
that
will
be
speaking
tonight.
We
do
try
and
be
respectful
of
the
time
it
takes
for
each
one
of
these
items,
and
so
I
would
ask
if
you
can
limit
your
comments
to
three
minutes
for
us
tonight.
A
B
B
F
F
F
This
is
a
route
that's
used,
often
for
commuting
as
well
as
for
recreational
use,
and
so
I
just
want
to
see
how
this
city
wants
to
be
work
proactively
to
stay
ahead
of
the
additional
300,
roughly
300
cars
and
vehicles
that
will
be
added
to
this
road
and
creating
safety
for
cyclists
and
pedestrians
that
will
be
added
to
the
roads.
At
this
point,.
A
All
right,
thank
you
judy.
This
is
chair
solberg
again,
and
thank
you
just
a
reminder
that,
as
you
ask
your
questions,
if
the
planning
commission
feels
that
there's
additional
information
that
needs
to
be
asked
of
the
applicant
or
staff,
we
will
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
we
will
try
and
get
through
all
the
questions
as
appropriate.
F
Judy
judy,
are
you
still
there?
A
Okay,
all
right,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
that
that
we
will.
The
planning
commission
will
address
those
questions
as
we
deem
necessary
as
well
all
right.
Thank
you.
Any
further
questions.
F
A
A
F
F
I'm
here
great,
I'm
tom
saheed.
I
live
here
in
bloomington
in
8121,
the
building
directly
east
of
the
proposed
development,
and
I
happen
to
live
on
the
very
west
side
within
a
few
feet
of
their
property
line.
F
Two
general
comments
and
then
three
specific
one
I
just
wanna
commend
you
all
that
certainly
support
additional
well-planned
multi-unit
buildings
in
the
south
blueberry,
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
that.
F
H
F
Like
to
thank
thank
mike
for
covering
the
first
item,
the
trees,
removal
of
trees
on
the
northeast
side
of
the
property
and
I'd
just
like
to
reinforce,
in
my
testimony
our
request
to
have
significant
screening
and
landscaping
all
along
that
property
line.
Second,
I
there
was
a
little
discussion
about
the
retaining
wall.
I
did
not
catch
that
earlier.
A
Okay,
any
further
questions
mr
faye.
F
Oh
well
I'll
keep
going
with
my
questions
and
a
second
question:
can
anyone
answer
how
far
that
retaining
wall
is
from
8121
existing
building
and
then?
Lastly,
the
refuse
area?
F
We
happen
to
be
very
concerned
about
that,
even
on
a
temporary
basis,
seeing
that
our
solarium
is
probably
within
20
feet
of
the
we're
on
the
second
floor
within
20
feet
of
our
solarium
open
windows,
and
we
would
prefer
not
to
ever
have
a
trash
sitting
out
there
that
close
to
our
area,
where
we'd
be
sitting
out
in
the
solarium.
Okay
and.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
fahey,
and
that
is
exactly
three
minutes.
I
appreciate
your
timeliness
on
that
all
right
and
mr
pease
is
there
yet
a
another
individual
that
like
to
speak
to
this
application.
F
F
The
first
one
is
if,
if
the
applicant
could
speak
to
the
height
of
the
building
and
how
that
will
compare
to
our
building-
and
the
second
question
came
up
at
our
association
meeting
last
night
from
another
owner
as
to
will
this
new
proposed
building?
Will
they
be
participating
in
the
snow
plowing
that
takes
place
around
apple
tree
as
it's
a
private
area
that
we
hire
for
snow
plowing
as
they
will
be
using
the
the
entrance
and
exit
at
the
at
the
light?
F
That's
all.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
barb
wolf
for
your
comments
tonight
and
especially
timely
in
the
winter
question
about
snow
plowing,
all
right,
mr
p's,
do
we
have
anybody
else
that
has
joined
us
in
the
last
couple
minutes.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
peas.
All
right,
commission
members,
it
seemed
like
there
were
several
questions
in
there
and
I
think
some
of
this
potentially
to
staff
and
others
to
the
applicant.
A
D
Sure,
mr
chair
there's
different
different
scenarios
with
regard
to
retaining
holes
and
then,
depending
on
the
scenario
there
may
there's
a
a
different
setback
requirement.
So
generally,
you
know
one
of
the
standards
relates
to
walls
retaining
walls
within
easements.
Generally
speaking,
we
do
not
want
a
retaining
wall
within
a
public
easement
like
a
drainage
and
utility
easement.
For
example,
you
know.
Obviously
we
don't
want
a
wall
where,
where
that
would
disrupt
the
conveyance
of
drainage,
for
example,
there
is
no
public
easement
along
this
property
line.
D
So
that's
not
that's
not
a
consideration
another
another
consideration
is
if
the
retaining
wall
is
four
feet
or
less,
we
don't
have
the
you
know
the
same
setback
requirements
as
if
it
was
you
know,
obviously
a
you
know,
a
much
larger
structural
retaining
wall,
so
this
retaining
wall
in
that
particular
area
is
is
quite
limited.
You
know
it
doesn't,
have
the
it's,
not
the
tremendous
retaining
wall
that
you're
gonna
see
south
of
there.
D
So
in
this
case,
and
there's
also
a
plant
development
where
we
treat
the
interior
lot
lines
a
little
bit
differently.
So
in
this
case
I
think
the
retaining
wall
is.
You
know
roughly
between
four
or
five
feet
at
that
corner
and
so
given
as
there's
no
easement,
and
this
is
a
planned
development,
the
proposed
setback
is
consistent
with
our.
A
A
E
A
Okay,
I
don't
well
I'm
not
sure
if
my
microphone
was
off
or
if
your
microphone
wasn't
working
I'll,
ask
the
question
again
how
about
we
go
with
that
just
to
move
forward
with
mr
one
of
mr
faye's
questions
so
based
on
that
retaining
wall
and
meeting
the
setbacks,
there's
not
really
any
way
for
us
at
this
point
to
know
what
the
distance
is
between
the
retaining
wall
and
that
neighboring
property
building.
D
Yeah,
mr
chair,
I
don't
know
that
that
distance
off
hand
between
the
retaining
wall
and
the
building,
I
think
the
the
setback
between
the
retaining
wall
and
the
property
line,
I
believe,
is
about
six
or
seven
feet
and
then
there's
a
small
setback
between
the
property
line
and
the
building.
I
could
measure
that,
but
I
probably
have
to
stop,
sharing
and
and
go
into
a
different
program,
but
I
I
could
find
that
answer
during
during
you
know.
If
planning
commission
wants
to
make
their
comments,
I
could
figure
that
out.
A
I
think
mr
centenaria,
the
important
thing
to
us
is
that
they
meet
the
requirements
at
this
point
and
the
rest
is
maybe
curiosity
for
us
one
other
issue.
That
would
like
some
additional
discussion
on
and
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
idea,
but
judy
jones
had
asked
a
question
about
complete
streets
policy
and
well
we
had
the
site
plan.
I
was
trying
to
look
for
sidewalk
and
and
those
sorts
of
amenities,
and
what
was
the
continuance
through
that
area?
Can
you
provide
some
additional
detail
on
that.
D
Absolutely
mr
chair,
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
to
the
site
the
site
plan
and
I
can
talk
about
some
of
those
elements.
D
So
unfortunately,
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
I'm
not
very
knowledgeable
on
what
the
city
has
envisioned
within
the
street
itself
and
we'll.
D
But
in
terms
of
on-site
and
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site,
what
sort
of
elements
are
we
are
we,
mindful
of
to
make
cycling
and
pedestrian
movements
safer?
You
know
one
is
of
course,
with
cycling.
D
We
do
understand
that
folks
are
using
our
cycling
in
this
area,
myself
included,
and
so
we
want
a
minimum
sidewalk
width.
So
in
this
location,
the
minimum
width
is
eight
feet
and
in
this
location
we
do
have
wider
than
normal
sidewalks.
So
you
have
a
wider,
concrete,
sidewalk
and
then
there's
some
additional
kind
of
stamped
concrete
that
that
is
wider
than
you
know.
Your
typical
you
know
residential
sidewalk,
so
it
is,
it
does
accommodate
pedestrians
and
cycling
and
then
immediately.
Let
me
get
to
a
different
graphic
here.
D
You
know,
of
course,
and
if
you're
cycling,
you
need
a
place
to
to
locate
your
bike,
and
so
there
are
bike
racks
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk,
and
I
do
believe
that
the
the
applicant
is
intending
on
having
bike
storage
with
the
within
the
building
itself.
D
So
between
you
know,
providing
an
urban
character.
You
know
that
that's
certain
a
district-wide
goal
having
sidewalk
accommodations
for
pedestrians,
cyclists,
bike
storage
and
then
overall
just
a
pleasant
public.
Realm
experience.
You
know
where
we
have
landscaping
adjacent
to
sidewalks
in
the
streets.
You
know,
I
think,
is
consistent
with
our.
You
know,
southwest
district
plan
and
our
vision
for
this
area.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
centenario
is
julie.
Long,
are
you
available?
Could
you
speak
to
complete
streets
and
what's
any
plans
for
34th
avenue.
F
I
F
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that
information
all
right.
I
think
that
answers
the
ones
that
we
need
from
staff,
the
other
would
be
remaining
for
the
applicant
and
that's
really
about
parking
or
snowplowing
and
and
really
building
height.
I
think
in
comparison
to
the
other
building,
unless
you
would
happen
to
know
that
mr
centenario.
D
You
know
I
I
do
have
an
idea
of
the
height,
and
so
this
building
is
proposed
to
be
six
stories.
The
condominium
building
is
five
so
right
there,
you
have
a
one
story:
difference
in
the
you
know,
just
the
height
of
the
building
itself,
but
then
also
the
the
condominium
building
is
a
little
bit
lower
to
the
east,
and
so
you
know
the
the
difference
from
like
above
sea
level.
D
Elevation
is
about
25,
maybe
30
feet
between
those
two
sites
and
that
accounts
for
the
additional
level
of
residential
use,
as
well
as
just
the
difference
in
grade
that
the
condominium
is
just
a
little
bit
lower.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
centenario.
All
right
any
questions
that
any
other
commissioners
feel
need
to
be
asked
or
answered
at
this
point
not
seeing
any
from
the
commission
members,
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing.
A
A
Abdi
aye,
commissioner
myself-
I
guess
commissioner
cook
done
is
out
of
this
particular
discussion,
so
motion
passes.
Public
hearing
is
now
closed.
Is
there
discussion
amongst
commission.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
this
project
meets
the
intention
of
the
development
we
would
like
to
see
in
this
area.
I
do
still
have
some
reservations
about
the
parking
issue.
I
think
that
well,
we'll
have
to
see
what
happens
I
mean
the
best
we
can
do
is
rely
on
the
judgment
of
experts,
but
it's
a
little
bit
concerning
that
the
experts
don't
have
a
variable
for
housing,
that
is
people
who
don't
necessarily
work
full-time.
E
But
beyond
that,
I
think
I
appreciate
the
public
comment.
I
think
we
heard
some
responses
to
many
of
those.
Some
of
those
are
just
going
to
be
the
way
they're
going
to
be.
I
recognize
that
that's
not
what
people
want
to
hear,
but
they
are
within
the
the
bounds
of
what's
acceptable
based
on
the
code.
So
I'm
in
support
of
this
project.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
roman.
I
guess
there
is.
I
just
remembered
I
I
had
said
we
had
the
one
additional
question
for
the
applicant
and
I
would
like
to
that.
A
Maybe
mr
centenario
can
track
that
down
it's
private
property,
so
I'm
I
imagine
that
has
to
be
an
epi
discussion
between
the
property
owners.
D
Mr
chair,
the
you're
right
this
is
this:
is
private
property
and
there's
shared
access
between
several
different.
Both
the
office
building
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
development
to
the
north,
and
so
these
there
are
existing
agreements
that
are
in
place
for
shared
access.
You
know
with
a
new
development.
D
I
suspect
that
some
of
those
agreements
are
going
to
have
to
be
amended
and
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion
in
a
negotiation
between
those
private
parties.
Yeah.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
as
I
suspected
all
right,
any
other
discussion
from
commission
members.
I
myself
will
say
I
think,
I'm
generally
in
support
of
the
project.
I
think
you
know
the
questions
that
were
brought
up
about
landscaping
east
side,
some
of
the
the
discussions
about
where
or
how
close
they
are.
Unfortunately,
I
think
with
the
concern
about
garbage
or
refuse
pickup,
it's
it's
an
unfortunate
detail,
but
garbage
has
to
be
picked
up.
A
It
has
to
be
available
for
the
haulers,
it's
a
relatively
short
time
frame
generally
right
hours
out
of
the
week,
not
days
and
to
the
point
of
of
parking.
Commissioner
roman,
you
know
I
think
I
might
be
a
little
more
concerned
about
that
other
than
having
the
lrt
in
very
close
proximity.
A
I
think
that's
going
to
play
a
big
role
here
compared
to,
if
this
were
say
on
the
west
side
of
bloomington
somewhere,
where
there's
just
not
that
same
access
to
transit.
But
for
those
reasons
I
can,
I
can
support
the
application
any
other.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
would
echo
some
of
the
same
comments
that
commissioner
solberg
and
commissioner
roman
made
regarding
the
project.
I
think
it's
a
great
life
cycle
housing
project,
particularly
for
this
area,.
H
F
The
parking
demand
and
absorption
given
the
clientele
living
at
the
property.
However,
I
do
believe
that
having
the
lrt
stop
very,
very
close
by
does
mitigate
some
of
that
and
overall,
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
this
project.
A
A
D
A
Go
ahead,
commissioner.
Roman
I'd
make.
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
preliminary
and
final
development
plans
for
six
story.
146
store,
146
unit
age,
restricted
apartment,
building
at
81,
31
34th
avenue.
Is
there
hearing
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
by
roll
call.
Commissioner
roman
aye,
commissioner
albrecht.
F
A
G
A
G
A
G
A
And
myself,
as
an
eye
motion
passes,
that
concludes
item
number
one
that
will
move
to
city
council
for
approval
on
february
8th,
thank
you
to
the
public
and
the
applicants
for
being
available
tonight
and
providing
your
comments.
A
Now
we
will
move
on
to
study
session
and
I
would
like
to
remind
our
public
viewing
this
tonight
that
these
are
not
public
hearings.
They
are
study
session
items
for
the
planning
commission
to
give
feedback
and
recommendations
on,
and
with
that,
mr
marker
guard,
I
believe
we
have
cindy
harper
and
john
dillary
from
metro
transit
to
give
information
on
this
first
item:
metro
transit,
update
on
proposed
route.
A
I
I
All
right,
excellent,
okay,
my
name
is
cindy
harper,
I'm
the
manager
of
route
planning
with
metro
transit
in
our
service
development
department
and
with
me
today
is
john
dillary.
He's
a
senior
transit
planner
also
in
our
service
development
area,
he's
the
project
manager.
I
I
The
orange
line
will
replace
most
of
most
of
route
535
with
much
more
frequent
all-day
seven
days
a
week
service
in
bloomington
compared
to
today's
route.
535.,
we
run
every
10
minutes
in
the
rush
hour
for
15
minutes
at
other
times
replaces
not
only
route
535,
but
also
around
597.
I
john
we'll
talk
about
those
more
in
a
minute
and
the
project
is
it's
been
under
construction
for
now
a
couple
of
years.
We
are
on
schedule
to
open
late
this
year.
I
I
In
addition,
there's
five
routes
shown
in
dark
gray,
mostly
in
south
minneapolis.
I
On
the
right
is
a
map
of
the
proposed
route
changes
which
we
will
explore
in
more
detail
in
just
a
minute,
since
we
still
don't
know
for
sure
what
the
transit
market
and
travel
demand
will
be
when
orange
line
opens.
The
concept
plan
will
present
two
different
scenarios
scenario:
a
matches.
Today's
resources
and
scenario
b
reflects
pre-pandemic
level
of
resources.
I
If
demand
returns,
we
could
reinvest
some
resources
into
scenario
b
scenario:
a
meets
our
goals
of
replacing
the
local
service
not
covered
by
the
orange
line
itself,
and
also
improving
the
connectivity
between
the
orange
line
and
the
jobs.
Other
key
destinations,
such
as
normandale
college
in
the
study
area
scenario
b,
builds
on
this
by
improving
the
span
frequency
and
days
of
the
week.
That
service
is
available
in
the
study
area
and
now
I'll
turn
it
over
to
john
for
to
walk
us
through
the
specific
changes.
J
Okay,
I
hope
everyone
can
hear
me.
Thank
you
cindy.
Yes,
we
can
hear
you,
john
okay.
I
always
like
to
be
sure
in
bloomington
route.
535
has
lots
of
stops.
It
has
80
stops
from
end
to
end
and
there's
far
fewer
stations
on
the
orange
line
so
right
away.
We
have
an
access
challenge,
of
course,
and
we
don't
just
assume
that
everybody
can
walk
to
stations
on
the
orange
line.
Far
from
it,
the
connecting
bus
service
is
crucial
and
so
you'll
hear
me
say:
replaces
route.
535
are
part
of
it.
J
That
means
that's
really
a
big
priority
in
our
thinking
and
you'll.
Hear
me
talk
about
impacts
in
a
few
places,
which
means
some
people
are
affected
by
a
change
in
route
or
trade-off
anyway,
we'll
start
geographically
in
the
north
edge
of
the
city
here
along
494..
J
What
we
show
here
is
american
boulevard
station
in
the
middle
and
route
535
today
distributes
passengers
coming
off
35w
to
businesses
on
the
bloomington
side
of
things,
between
penn
avenue
and
lindale
avenue,
in
especially
near
penn
avenue
in
american
boulevard,
and
we
are
going
to
straighten
out
the
crosstown
bus
routes,
and
one
thing
that's
very
notable
is
even
though
it's
suspended
right
now,
route
542
is
restored.
J
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
It
goes
that's
the
blue
line
on
american
boulevard
from
all
of
america
straight
west,
all
the
way
across
the
north
edge
of
the
city,
previously
the
route
jogged
up
to
76th
street,
because
that's
where
the
best
connections
were
for
the
535
and
best
buy
headquarters.
J
Now
we'll
rely
on
other
connections
for
that,
so
we're
at
new
bus
stops
on
american
boulevard
between
lindale
and
knox,
and
we're
going
to
have
our
knox
american
station
connection.
Now,
because
we
made
the
american
boulevard
route
direct
and
clean,
like
that,
we
can
continue
with
the
same
number
of
buses.
We
can
continue
beyond
normandale
lake
today
we
end
there
now
we'll
go
we're
proposing
to
go
through
out
to
east
bush
lake
road
and
then
go
along
78th
street
and
along
the
north
edge
of
the
city.
J
Where
you
meet
with
edina
at
the
bremer
park
over
to
highway
169.,
there
might
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
connect
with
southwest
transit
service
to
the
golden
triangle,
which
is
off
to
the
west
and
the
service
to
the
538
service,
rather
in
86th
street,
and
will
also
help
distribute
passengers.
There's
nothing
changing
there
much
except
under
the
scenario
b.
J
J
So
that's
something
we
hope
we
can
do
eventually.
Now
the
next
slide.
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
talk
about
other
coverages,
here's
a
route
showing
our
map
showing
the
routes
near
35w
and
here's
a
real
positive
change.
I
think
it's
I'll
explain.
J
You
see
it
there
in
purple,
looping
along
82nd
knox
and
back
on
american
boulevard
and
in
the
rush
hours
we'll
divert
trips
to
go
via
james
avenue
and
94th
to
serve
the
central
bloomington
industrial
park
and
two
buses
will
operate.
We'll
have
20
minutes
service
in
the
peaks
which
is
more
frequent
than
we've
had
and
we'll
have
30
minutes
service
running
all
day,
long
very
efficiently.
J
If
we
can
invest
more
scenario
b,
we'll
run
it
we'd
like
to
run
it
on
weekends.
Besides,
so
there's
an
improved
area
there
transfer
to
the
orange
line
and
get
better
frequency.
The
part
of
lindale
south
of
99th
street
down
to
102nd
street
is
now
served
by
some
rush
hour
535s,
but
it's
not
there
anymore.
So
we
propose
to
reroute
the
553
commuter
express
bus
that
runs
on
portland
avenue.
J
The
535
local
service
on
98th
street
is
very
important.
West
of
35w
normandale
community
college
has
contributed
100
people
to
our
route
535
every
weekday
during
school
year.
Normandial
college
is
one
of
the
top
destinations
on
the
route,
but
the
orange
line
is
quite
a
distance
away.
J
So
we
feel
a
real
priority
is
to
restructure
redesign
the
red
route.
539
crosstown
route
they'll
serve
mall
of
america,
an
old
shocked,
p
road
east
98th
street
come
to
the
station.
The
west
of
35w
is
completely
remodeled.
It'll
be
proposed
to
be
a
straight
98th
street
route
in
normandale
college
and
on
to
normandale
village,
where
we
have
a
lot
of
population
and
a
destination.
J
This
bus
route
would
run
every
30
minutes
most
hours
and
30
minutes
or
60
minutes
on
weekends
and
that's
an
improvement
over
the
current
route
on
weekends
in
the
mornings,
because
we
know
that's
peak
time
for
normandale
college
everyone's
trying
to
get
to
class
route
539
will
run
every
20
minutes
plus
for
every
other
orange
line
at
98th
street.
J
J
We
need
to
create
a
fill-in
route,
so
it's
new
route,
536
route
536,
would
run
about
the
same
hours
service.
The
539
does
today,
but
a
little
less
frequent
that
will
be
going
on
american
boulevard
down
pan
avenue
and
straight
down,
penn
avenue
to
old,
shakopee
road,
because
there's
really
one
of
the
strengths
of
ridership.
Our
old
shot
is
over
shakopee
road,
especially
out
near
france
and
then
through
108th
street
apartments
and
valley,
west
shopping
center
and
straight
up
to
normandale
college
and
539
will
run
every
day
of
the
week.
J
Now,
with
our
basic
scenario,
we
don't
restore
the
france
avenue
across
town
right
537,
that's
shown
in
green
here
up
and
down
france.
That
route,
if
we
can
go
to
scenario
b,
would
be
restored
on
weekdays.
J
That's
showing
the
current
route
539
and
we
are
proposing
to
eliminate
the
90th
street
branch
per
par
portion
of
the
route
there's
about
nine
people
that
ride
regularly,
at
least
as
of
2019,
and
fortunately
most
of
them
are
walking
distance
from
penn
avenue.
But
there
is
a
pocket
of
some
riders
over
at
france
and
90th
and
they're,
probably
coming
from
the
apartment
buildings.
J
That's,
basically,
the
changes
in
that
part
of
bloomington
now
moving
right
along
cindy
mentioned,
we're
not
going
to
have
the
route
597
express,
which
is
a
route
that
serves
southwest
bloomington.
Today
it's
had
two
branches,
one
on
west
102nd
and
one
down
old,
shakopee
road
in
the
neighborhoods
around
there.
The
route
is
going
to
be.
J
J
Branches
547
becomes
a
new
local
route
between
98th
street
station
old,
shakopee
road
west.
In
the
morning
to
the
considerable
population
of
jobs,
the
southwest
bloomington
industrial
area
111th
changing
the
route
to
go
up,
hampshire
up
to
quality
bike
products,
105th
out
to
106.
J
same
bus
comes
back
along
with
club
road,
normandale
boulevard,
110th
pick
up
the
residence,
bring
them
over
to
98th
street
station
to
get
on
their
orange
line
or
any
other
bus.
They
want.
This
bus
would
run
every
30
minutes
during
the
complete
peak
period
morning
in
the
afternoon
now
the
102nd
street
branch
is
restructured
from
the
current
597
because,
as
I
mentioned
just
earlier,
we
got
the
539
creating
a
direct
crosstown
on
98th
street
from
normandale
village,
all
the
way
across
to
98th
street
station.
J
So
the
548
goes
in
the
green
line,
we're
proposing
to
run
on
highland
green
drive
by
the
apartment
buildings
there
for
the
first
time
for
easier
access
and
then
down
to
102nd
and
keep
the
route
on
102nd
to
new
bus
stops
east
of
xerxes
right
over
the
old
shakopee
road.
So
we'll
have
a
direct
connection.
There.
That's
also
a
30
minute
frequency
peak
periods
and
that's
all
the
route
specific
changes.
We
have
mapped
here
for
the
city
of
bloomington.
J
Well,
I
think
cindy
you're
going
to
talk
about
the
hot
spots
I
think,
or
should
I.
J
Good,
well,
I
did
mention
them
as
I
went
along
this
lists,
all
the
hot
spots
everywhere,
including
some
near
richfield.
I
mentioned
90th
street
between
france
and
penn
597.
Of
course.
I'll
be
honest,
of
course,
the
597
is
a
one-seat
bride
from
southwest
bloomington.
It's
almost
non-stop
from
98th
street
to
downtown
minneapolis,
now
it'll
be
getting
on
the
orange
line,
which
makes
a
few
stops.
J
It's
a
few
minutes
slower
than
the
597
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
to
allow
transfer
intervals
short,
but
we
still
have
to
allow
transfer
so
the
times
take
it's
a
nice
frequent,
very
simple
service,
10
minute
frequency
on
the
orange
line,
but
of
course
it's
a
little
slower
ride.
J
Then,
of
course,
if
we
have
to
stick
with
today's
resources
for
a
while,
then
the
american
boulevard
service
doesn't
have
any
off-peak
trips,
at
least
to
begin
with.
I
will
probably
hear
about
that
and
then
really
537.
That's
the
france
avenue
from
valley
west
up
to
south
sale,
that's
remaining
suspended
will
be
a
issue
and
that's
the
hot
spot
list.
I
think
the
next
slide
might
be
about
our
conversion.
Equity.
I
So
we
start
by
reviewing
maps
that
shows
where
black,
indigenous
and
people
of
color,
as
well
as
low-income
communities,
live
within
the
study
area.
We
want
to
pay
particular
attention
to
the
green
dots
which
stand
for
which
represent
either
low
income
or
community
of
color
each
dot
on
this
map
signifies
50
people.
This
information
is
done
by
census
block
level.
So
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
detail
here.
I
One
note
here
just
very
quickly
at
the
met
council.
Of
course,
we
prefer
to
use
more
inclusive
language,
such
as
communities
of
color,
but
for
this
specific
slide
I
will
use
the
fta
terminology
of
minority
and
non-minority,
so
the
map
in
the
upper
right
shows
the
change
in
the
number
of
weekly
trips
that
will
be
available.
I
I
I
So
the
question
here
is
whether
low-income
and
minority
communities
are
seeing
at
least
80
percent
of
the
increase
in
service
that
more
affluent
and
white
area
is
will
receive
and
the
results
show
that
we
are
at
or
above
the
80
mark.
However,
as
we
dig
into
the
data
a
little
deeper,
it
highlights
some
of
the
limits
limitations
of
the
methodology.
I
I
I
I
It's
also
important
to
better
understand
who
can
access
these
jobs,
so
this
bar
chart
shows
that
everyone
will
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
jobs
they
can
access
on
transit
compared
to
today's
baseline,
regardless
of
race
or
income.
However,
the
tallest
columns
are
for
black
indigenous
people
of
color
and
low-income
groups.
They
will
benefit
more,
especially
in
the
off-peak.
I
We
will
be
taking
back
all
of
the
feedback
we
receive
in
january
and
february,
and
making
modifications
to
the
plan
is
appropriate
in
the
spring
and
then
we
will
circle
back
with
our
stakeholders
to
let
you
know
what
modifications
are
and
we
will
be
asking
the
council
for
final
approval
in
june
and
then
this
these
changes
would
be
implemented.
I
There's
several
ways
for
for
people
to
give
their
feedback,
including
two
community
meetings
and
a
public
hearing
that
will
be
virtual.
Also
by
completing
a
survey
we
have
a
map
based
survey
that
we've
developed.
That's
on
our
project
website.
I
We
will
be
translating
the
survey
and
the
report
that's
out
on
the
website,
as
well
as
our
brochure
that
we'll
be
handing
out
to
folks
in
spanish
and
in
somali
as
well
as
in
english,
and
we
are
certainly
partnering
with
a
lot
of
the
community
organizations
trying
to
touch
base
with
normandale
we're
briefing.
The
494
tmo
doing
a
webinar
with
them
in
a
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
we'll
be
doing
sending
a
postcard
out
to
people
who
live
along
routes
that
have
significant
changes.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
information.
I
know
just
a
couple
questions
and
it
really
before
I
get
into.
Maybe
the
routes
is
the
question
of.
Certainly
the
pandemic
has
affected
transit
and
transportation
in
general
are.
Is
there?
Are
you
seeing
differences
between
say
the
brts
or
the
current
brts
and
the
ridership
on
those
versus
station
to
station
ridership.
I
A
I
Ert
lines
in
general
are
are
faring
better
than
our
than
the
rest
of
the
system
in
terms
of
their
resiliency,
but
for
right
now
that
mostly
means
the
a
line
and
the
c
line,
which
is
arterial
brt
on
local
streets
that
stops
about
every
half
mile
or
so,
of
course,
the
a
line
is
snelling
avenue
and
ford
parkway
to
46th
street.
The
sea
line
is
highway,
55
and
penn
avenue
up
in
north
minneapolis.
I
So
this
is
the
first
highway
brt
that
we
will
be
operating
the
orange
line,
it's
very
similar
to
the
red
line
coming
out
of
the
mall
of
america,
which
metro
change
it
just
started
just
took
over
operation
of
last
month,
ridership
on
the
red
line
hasn't
been
as
resilient
as
what
we've
seen
on
the
anc
lines
and
then
certainly
you
know
the
orange
line.
I
think
that's
a
bit
of
a
question.
I
The
orange
line,
certainly
will
you
know,
will
rely
on
a
strong
downtown
as
well,
but
really
the
key
to
that
is
the
connections
outside
of
downtown
between
the
various
stations,
whether
it's
going
between
south
minneapolis
and
bloomington
ridgefield,
or
just
within
the
suburban
areas
themselves.
Making
that
a
lot
easier.
So
we're
certainly
keeping
an
eye
on
on
ridership
and
on
on
pattern,
transit
patterns
and
what
employers
are
doing,
but
very
optimistic.
A
Thank
you,
and
just
I
know
john
delary
mentioned
the
difference.
I
think
I'm
trying
to
remember.
Maybe
is
it
the
597,
that's
the
express
that
goes
downtown
and
the
orange
line
the
time
difference.
What
is
that
difference.
J
It's
an
estimate
on
the
orange
line
sets
it
at
about
four
minutes
longer
than
in
the
peak
hour
than
the
597.
J
A
All
right
no
appreciate
that,
and
then
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
if
we
can
slide
12.
and,
as
I
understand
that
slide,
that
is,
I
think,
increase
in
service
versus
decrease
in
service.
Is
that
really
what
that
is
showing.
I
That's
correct
the
methodology
that
we
use
for
our
title
six
service
equity
analysis
is
based
on
basically
the
the
way
it
measures
is
looking
at
the
number
of
weekly
trips
that
serve
a
specific
census,
block
or
block
group,
and
so
the
green
places
that
are
seeing
an
increase
in
the
number
of
weekly
trips,
so
weekday
saturday
and
sunday
all
factored
in
there
and
purple
is
areas
that
are
seeing
fewer
trips
than
what
we
have
today.
A
All
right
and
then
just
just
looking
at
that
a
little
bit
I
was
trying
to
overlay
it,
which
would
have
been,
maybe
because
at
that
level
of
detail,
I
can't
really
tell
where
those
shortages
or
those
reductions
are,
but
is
that
part
of
I
think
it
was
referred
to
as
the
alternate
alternative
b
that
would
come
back
or.
I
Partially,
so
one
of
the
areas,
of
course,
is
90th
street,
which
john
did
mention
as
one
of
the
potential
hot
spots
also
an
area.
This
is
over
in
southeast
ridge
field,
we're
doing
some
consolidation
on
route
515
over
by
the
airport
and
cedar
point
commons,
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
an
impact
there
as
well.
I
I
do
want
to
point
out,
though,
that
this
map,
like
I
said,
is
not
indicative
of
demographics.
So,
for
example,
john
was
talking
about
southwest
bloomington,
all
of
the
employers
that
are
out
in
this
area,
quality
bike
projects
and
such
right
now,
so
this
area,
you
know,
is
showing
as
green
a
significant
increase
in
service.
I
But
what
this
analysis
is
not
taking
into
consideration
is
the
fact
that
the
main
reason
we're
proposing
to
run
service
in
this
part
of
bloomington
is
for
the
reverse
community
connection.
Take
people
writing
the
orange
line
from
elsewhere
to
these
jobs.
That's
why
we
built
upon
the
the
fta
work
here
to
look
at
the
access
to
jobs
and
who
had
the
increase
in
that
because
that
wasn't
coming
through.
In
the
initial
analysis,.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
really
I'm
more
interested
in
the
purple-
that's
in
that
northeast
corner
of
bloomington
and
explaining
that
a
little
bit
more,
because
that
is
an
area
I
think
of
more
diversity
in
bloomington,
both
racial
and
economic,
and
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
reduction
in
service
in
that
location.
So
if
you
have
some
more
information
to
to
help
us
understand
what
that
introduction
or
how
it
may
come
back,
that
would
be
appreciated.
Yeah.
I
J
Yes,
we
run
commissioners,
we
run
quite
a
bit
of
extra
service
on
american
boulevard
between
12th
avenue
and
that's
where
that
purple
area
was
on
the
other
map,
12th
avenue
over
to
24th
avenue,
simply
because
we
really
don't
have
any
other
way
to
go,
and
the
opening
of
the
77th
street
underpass
end
of
2022,
just
north
of
494
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
streamline
the
richfield
route
via
77th
street.
But
when
you
do
that
you're
taking
those
trips
away
and
there's
right
now,
there's
20
minutes
service
or
something
from
america.
J
One
of
the
routes,
though,
that
isn't
shown
on
this
map
for
sake
of
clarity
actually,
but
it's
present
is
route
5
on
portland
and
american
boulevard,
and
so
it's
covering
the
area
where
there's
more
low-income
people,
you
see
in
pink,
very
well
in
that
last
mile
and
a
half
east
of
portland,
and
that
route
is
slated
to
be
replaced
by
the
d-line
bus.
Rapid,
transit
and
that'll
feature
a
slightly
better
frequency
at
stations
along
american
boulevard
when
it
replaces
round
five
in
that
area,
and
this
map
isn't
reflecting
that.
J
Yes,
absolutely
you
still
have
a
lot
of
service,
even
though
that
would
even
without
complete
full
restoration
of
american
boulevard
route.
It's
yeah.
If
the
5
runs
every
15
minutes,
the
d
line
will
run
every
10
yeah.
So
it's
it's
covered.
I'd,
say.
J
I
just
have
to
think
about
that
cindy.
What
is
it
2023.
I
Late
2022.,
we
start
construction
this
spring
and
yep
late
next
year,
so
that
actually
is
going
to
coincide
probably
fairly
close
to.
When
richfield
has
the
77th
street
underpass
until
that's
open,
we
will
need
to
continue
to
travel
via
12th
avenue
in
american
boulevard
like
we're
doing
today,
right
yeah.
A
I
A
I
I
appreciate
that
information
very
much.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
other
questions
for
you,
I'm
not
sure
who
had
their
hand
up
first.
Was
it
commissioner,
commissioner?
Cookton.
C
C
Okay
thanks,
I
do
have
a
question
regarding
access
to
the
airport,
I'm
a
frequent
public
transit
user
as
I
work
downtown,
and
I
also
go
to
the
airport
quite
often-
and
it's
always
been
very
noticeable
that
it's
next
to
impossible
to
get
to
the
airport
from
anywhere
in
bloomington,
without
a
transfer
to
mall.
J
Well,
it's
yeah,
that's
right!
All
the
buses
and
the
train
comes
together
at
mall
of
america.
J
It's
just
you
know
the
physics
of
the
thing.
I
guess
we
have
made
a
deliberate
decision
to
say
we
have
a
now
upgraded
transit
center
or
station
facility
at
the
mall
of
america,
which
is
not
just
a
nice
place
to
get
on
and
off
transit
to
go
to
the
mall
of
america.
Actually,
that's
half
the
story.
J
But
the
basic
idea
was
that
the
blue
line
would
take
care
of
all
the
linkage
to
the
airport.
But,
yes,
it
means
transfer
now
with
better
frequency
on
route.
539
of
the
for
an
example
it'll
be
easier
to
plan
a
trip
from
98th
street
and
name
it
and
or
something
to
get
to
the
airport,
because
the
connections
will
be
easier
because
the
frequency
will
be
better
to
meet
the
10-minute
frequency
blue
line,
but
yeah.
It's
that's
right.
It's
it's
a
deliberate
decision
in
the
network
of
frequencies
and
good
timing.
C
I
appreciate
your
feedback
on
this
and
I
trust
the
analysis
of
all
the
very
hard
working
folks
over
at
metro
transit
that
they're
working
on
that.
It's
just
always
been
noticeable
how
difficult
it
can
be
to
get
to
the
airport,
especially
when
it's
when
it's
cold
out,
but
with
the
new
transfer
stop
at
mall
of
america.
That
certainly
has
improved
the
other
thing,
and
this
is
not
really
a
question.
It's
more
of
just
a
discussion,
the
loss
of
route
597.
C
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
real.
As
noted.
I
I
work
downtown
and
took
the
597
every
weekday
for
many
years
and
that
was
extremely
convenient
to
have
a
non-stop
service
to
downtown
from
south
bloomington,
and
especially
at
98th
and
lindale,
where
we,
as
a
planning
commission
in
a
city,
are
really
trying
to
target
new
developments
in
this
area.
C
I
think
having
high
quality
service
to
downtown
is
important,
and,
although
I
well
I
shouldn't
say,
although
I
do
appreciate
the
higher
frequency
on
the
orange
line,
I
think
that's
a
big
deal
and
having
late
night
service
is
also
a
big
deal
as
a
guy
who's
been
known
to
be
stuck
at
work,
till
10
or
11
o'clock.
On
occasion,
it's
it's
a
really
big
luxury
to
have
late
night
service
coming
back
home.
C
That's
that
can't
be
understated,
so
I
do
appreciate
that
and
although
the
time
loss
is
only
four
minutes,
four
or
five
minutes
when
you
factor
in
the
the
waiting
time,
I
again,
I
think
every
minute
counts.
C
It
was
the
perfect
package
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
I
I
continued
to
choose
to
live
in
south
burlington
when
I
was
there,
and
so
I
I'm
disappointed
we're
losing
that
express
bus
service,
because
I
think
that's
a
real
story
that
can
attract
developments
and
attract
new
residents
is
to
say
you
can
get
a
very
fast
bus
route
in
a
in
a
what
I
would
consider
to
be
a
better
living
community
than
some
places
you
might
be.
C
Even
if
you're
closer
to
the
city,
you
can
have
possibly
more
luxuries
or
more
convenience
down
here
in
bloomington,
and
so
I
am
disappointed,
we're
losing
the
597..
I
I
would
love
for
metro
transit
to
consider
many
express
routes.
The
589,
you
know
you
name
it
other
express
routes,
you
know
have
four
or
six
buses
in
the
morning
during
the
rush
four
six
plus
is
coming
back
during
the
evening
rush.
C
C
I
certainly
would
love
for
metro
transit
to
consider
even
limited
quantities
of
buses,
but
still
retaining
that
express
bus
service
from
south
bloomington
into
downtown.
I
think
that's
a
big
deal
as
we
try
to
reimagine
what
we're
doing
at
98th
and
lincoln.
So
no
questions.
Those
are
just
my
thoughts.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
to
both
of
you
and
your
teams
for
all
the
work
on
this,
I
think,
on
the
whole,
this
is
a
significant
improvement
in
bus
service
to
the
city
of
bloomington,
and
I
think,
of
kind
of
the
the
orange
line.
The
blue
line
is
kind
of
the
the
core
arteries
and
and
how
do
we?
How
do
these
other
routes
plug
into
that
there
is
kind
of?
E
Well,
I
guess
the
one
area
that's
I'm
seeing
now
is.
I
look
at
my
other
map
overlaid
where,
where
we
have
people
and
and
where
we
don't
have
people,
the
east
west
connections
do
seem
a
little
lacking
for
me
in
residential
and
specifically,
you
know,
you
show
the
the
537
in
france
as
a
scenario
b
and
that's
fine.
E
The
537,
though,
goes
to
the
southfield
transit
center,
which
has
a
different
type
of
service,
and
so
my
observation
is
that
essentially
between
98th
and
american
and
west
of
penn,
there
is
no
bus
service
and
I
think
that
is
a
pretty
big
gap
in
the
system.
So
again,
I'm
not
sure
in
your
analysis
where
that
comes
in.
E
But
you
know,
if
you
think
about
the
you
know
the
542
once
you
pass
pen
and
american
heading
west
other
than
the
wells
fargo
tower,
there
probably
are
very
few
riders
to
be
picked
up,
and
maybe
a
few
at
france
and
america,
your
family,
all
the
way
from
france
to
normandale
through
car
dealerships
and
restaurants.
And
so
again
I
understand
the
trying
to
balance
access
with
speed.
E
But
I
wonder
if
you
might
think
about
your
542
jogging
down,
perhaps
10,
to
84th
and
meeting
up
over
at
normandale,
where
you're
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
marry
both
residential
and
work.
You
talk
about
the
reverse,
commute
people
or
even
people,
feeding
the
orange
line,
and
there
is
essentially
nothing
feeding
the
orange
line
in
that
large
chunk
of
town
and
certainly
there's
a
fair
bit
of
marsh.
I
know
you
observe
the
potential
gap
at
90th
in
france
and
some
of
this
I'm
also
just
aware
after
this
is
the
corner
of
town.
E
I
happen
to
live
in,
but
it
just
feels,
like
that's
a
gap
that
you
may
want
to
spend
some
thought
on,
because
you
know
I
don't
see
much,
probably
not
a
lot
of
service
happening
along
that
chunk
of
american
boulevard.
E
Otherwise,
there's
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
here.
I
hope
that
the
funding
stays
stable
enough
on
the
ridership
for
you,
but
owns
enough
to
be
able
to
to
support
this
and
more
because
I
think
it's
what
we
need
as
a
city
in
order
to
support
some
of
the
visions
of
the
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council
have.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
commissioner.
Abdi.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
appreciate
the
presentation
question
I
had.
I
live
by
the
12th
in
american
boulevard
area
and,
and
it
is
one
of
the
most
diverse
parts
of
bloomington,
which
is
why
I
love
living
here.
But
the
question
I
had
was
the
I
know.
The
focus
and
conversation
today
is
about
the
routes
per
se,
but
I
wanted
to
maybe
just
highlight
that
there,
the
public,
transits,
shelter
and
benching
or
a
seating
area
for
this
area
is
almost
nil.
G
G
Are
the
facilities
being
considered
for
folks
to
safely
wait
for
buses
from
the
elements,
but
also
from
other
safe
other
public
safety
issues?
I
guess
my
question
is
not
necessarily
about
the
routes
per
se,
but
about
should
the
changes
be
implemented
and
the
community
needs
to
currently
exist
right
now
in
terms
of
the
need
for
improved
safety
facility
uses
that
is,
shelters
from
the
rain
snow
and
whatnot
and
heating
for
the
bus
shelters.
G
So
again
I'll
just
leave
with
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
response
to
that
or
not,
but
I
would
be
very
concerned
about
what
we
have
today
in
this
area,
considering
the
alterations
that
are
being
made
if
there
are
also
facilities
being
considered.
Thank
you.
I
Yeah
so,
mr
chair,
I
can
maybe
try
to
speak
to
that
a
little
bit.
I
know
john,
can
weigh
in
more
on
that
with
oh,
yes,
we
are
looking
at
as
we
make
these
changes.
Also
taking
a
look
at
what
changes
there
are
in
bus
stops
and
in
facilities
that
are
required
as
a
as
a
result
of
these
changes,
and
I
know
that
american
boulevard
in
particular
is
one
area
that
john's
been
working
with
our
engineering
facilities
group
on.
I
We
do
have
a
you
know
in
terms
of
shelters.
We
do
have
a
minimum
of
25
boardings
per
day
as
us.
You
know,
as
our
threshold
to
justify
the
expensive
installation
and
maintenance
on
a
shelter
heat
and
light
become
a
much
different
story.
It
has
a
little
bit
to
do
with
how
the
how
far
away
the
closest
electrical
connection,
but
that
can
be
you
know.
That
is
something
that
we
generally
need
to
see
about:
100
riders
a
day
or
so
for
heat
and
light.
I
J
We'll
take
it
back,
but
because
the
d-line
is
coming
to
that
very
part
of
american
boulevard
and,
if
you're
familiar
sure
with
the
typical
abrt
stations,
they're
standard,
shelters,
larger
shelters
than
the
ones
you
usually
see,
and
they
all
feature
real
time
signs
for
telling
you,
when
the
bus
is
coming
benches,
lighting,
good
lighting,
really
and
heat
and
all
the
key
stops
along
american
boulevard
from
chicago
avenue
by
walmart
to
the
east
will
be
much
upgraded
by
the
end
of
it.
J
J
I
have
bus
stops
that
are
fine
in
terms
of
space
and
everything,
but
there's
no
shelter
or
anything
at
all
for
the
crosstown
buses
serving
that
station,
I've
been
pretty
adamant
actually
about
making
sure
that
we
do
install
shelters,
both
east
and
westbound,
on
american
boulevard
at
knox
this
year.
So
that's
a
key
point
of
we've.
Our
big
priorities
transfer
points,
but
yes,
we're
reviewing
locations
elsewhere
for
shelters
and
bus,
stop
locations
too
to
make
sure
they're
in
places
where
the
buses
can
keep
moving
and
stop
safely.
J
And
we
have
some
recommendations
about
shifting
some
bus
stops
on
american
boulevard
to
do
that.
Some
of
them
are
in
awkward
locations
and
we're
going
to
look
at
moving
them,
say
beyond
the
intersections
and
there's
space
all
along
american
boulevard
to
put
in
shelters
if
they're
warranted,
which
is
a
good
thing.
A
Cindy
or
janet,
this
is
john
solberg
again,
and
I'm
just
going
to
ask
one
more
question
just
because
commissioner
cook
done
brought
it
up
about
the
express
service
with
the
the
loss
of
our
express
service
for
the
orange
line,
just
in
relationship
to
other
communities
served
by
the
orange
line.
Is
there
burnsville,
for
instance,
out
of
the
burnsville
center?
Are
they
losing
express
service.
I
I
I
We
have
to
get
those
resources
from
from
somewhere,
and
so
you
know
that's
one
of
the
trade-offs
is.
If
we,
you
know,
we
can
take
the
route,
the
resources
that
are
currently
used
at,
if
you
know
at
a
fairly
minimal
impact,
but
still
a
reasonable
alternative
for
the
route
597
and
reinvest
those
elsewhere
you're
right,
it
is
a
you
know,
about
a
five
minute
longer
trip.
A
Well,
I
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
response
and
the
difference
between
burnsville
and
and
bloomington.
I
see
commissioner
cook
down,
has
additional
questions
or
a
comment.
C
Thanks
mr
chair
and
I
apologize
for
asking
such
a
specific
question
here,
but
589
didn't
show
up
anywhere
on
here.
Has
that
been
a
victim
to
covet
and
just
isn't
the
thing
anymore?
Was
it
not
included
this
with
this
report
because
it
doesn't
affect
the
award
line?
Is
we
still
have
589
in
bloomington,
which
is
direct
service
from
the
norman
alexis.
I
Yeah,
so
it's
not
part
of
it
was
not
part
of
this
project
because
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
orange
line,
but
just
speaking
about
the
589
in
general,
yes
john's
correct,
it
has
been
suspended
since
covid
hit.
We
have
a
number
of
routes
throughout
the
region,
commuter
express
routes,
particularly
that
rely
on
downtown
as
their
bread
and
butter
that
have
been
suspended,
that
we
are
currently
working
through
to
figure
out.
What
is
the
long-term
plan?
I
You
know,
as
we
work
with
downtown
businesses,
find
out
as
they're
planning
to
reopen
as
we
look
at
you
know,
other
you
know
other
areas
of
the
region
really
trying
to.
We
know
we
can't
keep
service
just
suspended
in
a
state
of
you
know
in
between
forever.
So
we
are
we're
starting
to
talk
about
that
as
well.
There
will
be
a
whole
separate
public
process,
public
engagement
and
comment
period
associated
with
any
of
the
service
that
is
currently
suspended,
that
if
it
becomes
a
permanent
situation.
A
You
all
right,
commissioner,
robdy.
G
A
Commissioners,
any
further
questions
or
comments
for
cindy
harper
or
john
dillary,
not
seeing
any
just
a
maybe
a
recap
again.
Some
concerns
about
loss
of
express
service,
understand
that
there's
resource
issues,
but
that's
still
a
concern
from
the
residents
in
bloomington
some
concern
again
about
establishing
or
looking
at
that
542
service
and
it's
its
location
along
in
front
of
the
the
auto
dealers,
instead
of
maybe
through
some
of
the
residential
areas.
I
think
I
heard
additional
concerns
from
commissioner
abdi
about
shelters,
bus
stop
locations
in
that
12th
avenue
location.
A
I
hope
that
I
got
that
right,
which
is
right
now
a
loss
but
future
potential
d-line
did.
I
am
I
missing
anything
commissioners.
A
All
right
so
again,
next
steps,
cindy
or
john
there's
public
comments
available
to
be
made
on
the
website.
Is
that
correct.
I
Yes,
that's
correct
if
you
go
to
the
metro
transit
website,
there
is
a
whole
project
page
devoted
to
these
proposed
changes
includes
a
lot
more
detail
in
the
report
for
anyone
who
is
interested
in
reading
up
a
little
more
about
some
of
the
background
in
history
as
well.
As
you
know,
kind
of
some
of
the
what
went
into
this
project
and
more
details
on
some
of
the
specific
changes.
I
Of
course,
you
know
when
we
met
with
city
staff,
anything
that
you
can
do
to
help
people
link
up
to
our
website.
We
will
be
out
in
person
talking.
You
know,
of
course,
from
us
social
distance
talking
with
folks
at
places
like
mall
of
america
and
south
bloomington
transit
center
98th
street
station,
a
few
other
key
locations
as
well
so
trying
to
get
the
word
out
that
way
as
well,
but
anything
that
you
know,
certainly
any
any
nudge
that
you
can
help
with
is
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
A
Thank
you
and,
and
of
course
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
extend
our
thanks
to
you
and
all
the
hard
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
to
try
and
keep
track
of
ridership
and
destinations,
it's
an
extremely
difficult
job,
and,
and
we
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
for
us
and
for
the
public
and
appreciate
the
presentation
tonight.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
think
that
concludes
item
number
two
for
the
study
session.
We'll
move
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
the
payment
management
program
and
I
believe
amy
marone,
kirk
roberts
and
paul
jarvis
will
be
giving
the
information
on
that
and
amy.
Are
you
starting.
H
I
am
going
to
start
us
out.
Let
me
just
get
a
couple
more
things:
okay,
good
evening
planning,
commission,
it's
been
a
while,
since
I
have
been
before
you
and
there's
a
lot
of
new
commissioners
so
thought
I
would
start
by
introducing
myself
and
my
name
is
amy
marone.
H
H
H
Another
issue
that
we've
heard
through
the
years
is
concerns
about
speeding
and
not
necessarily
just
the
fact
that
people
are
speeding.
The
posted
speed
limit
is,
I
believe,
it's
30
miles
an
hour
on
this
roadway,
but
the
the
the
result
of
the
speeding
is
that
it's
very
difficult
to
make
accurate
gap
selection
when
you're
turning
onto
or
off
of
the
side
streets
along
american
boulevard,
and
so
that's
another
thing
that
we
are
looking
to
address
at
this
time.
H
All
right,
so
this
image
is
just
a
screenshot
from
google
maps.
Right
now,
this
would
be
facing
towards
normandale
lake
boulevard
so
facing
to
the
west
just
wanted
to
show
kind
of
the
feel
that
you
have
out
there.
It's
currently
a
four-lane,
undivided
roadway,
two
lanes
in
each
direction
as
you
go
towards
the
far
west
end.
There
are
some
mediums
median
separation
from
green
valley
drive
down
to
east
bush
lake
road.
H
The
traffic
volumes
on
this
roadway
are
between
five
and
six
thousand
vehicles
per
day,
and
typically,
when
we
would
start
a
study,
we
would
go
out
and
gather
new
traffic
volumes.
However,
during
covid
impacted
traffic
times,
we
have
not
been
collecting
these.
Those
traffic
volumes,
however,
were
collected
back
in
2019
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
why
data
was
collected
in
2019
as
well.
H
So
this
is
the
standard
process
that
we
would
use
for
our
traffic
study.
Do
our
data
collection
and
analysis
start
to
develop
some
proposed
improvements
or
recommendations?
H
Do
our
public
engagement
process,
which
at
this
time
our
public
engagement,
we've
been
using
our
the
city
of
bloomington's
new?
Let's
talk
bloomington
site
to
do
that
and
then
now
we're
at
the
point
where
we're
coming
to
the
planning
commission
for
discussion,
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
for
for
residents
or
residents
and
people
who
users
of
this
area
to
to
speak
on
this
item
at
the
february
8th
city
council
meeting,
and
then
we
are
hoping
to
have
approved
changes
to
implement
into
the
2021
pmp
project
all
right.
H
So
I
wanted
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
more
about
the
data
collection.
As
I
mentioned,
we
were
not
able
to
collect
data
in
2020.
However,
however,
back
when
I
started
receiving
the
concerns
with
the
pedestrian
crossings
at
that
time,
it
was
in
you
know,
early
summer
of
2019,
and
we
did
do
some
analysis
at
that
time.
So
we
had
pretty
current
traffic
volume
counts.
H
We
also
counted
pedestrians
at
normandale
lake
boulevard
and
we
had
168
pedestrians
crossing
in
a
one-day
period
crossing
american
boulevard
using
both
sides
of
that
intersection.
So
that
gives
us
a
good
idea
of
pedestrian
demand
as
well.
H
We
did
a
so.
The
long-term
plan
for
this
area
does
identify
a
future
traffic
signal
at
the
intersection
of
american
boulevard
in
normandale
lake
boulevard
and
so
back
in
2019,
when
we
were
looking
at
ways
to
address
the
pedestrian
crossing
safety
concerns,
we
did
do
an
update
of
the
signal
warrant
analysis
thinking.
You
know
if
that
traffic
signal
has
met,
warrants
and
is
going
to
be
installed
now
or
you
know
anytime
within
the
next
five
years,
or
so
that
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
address
the
pedestrian
crossing
safety
issue.
H
So
from
that,
oh
I'm,
sorry!
You
know
one
more
thing
I
should
have
covered
on
that
last
slide.
Is
that
the
let's
talk
of
bloomington?
So
we
did
a
direct
mailing
to
the
neighborhood.
It
was
over
80
properties
that
that
are
right
within
the
project
limits
of
this
area
and
so
we're
guiding
them
to
the
let's
talk,
bloomington
site
specific
for
this
project
that
lays
out
the
known
issues
in
the
area.
H
So
I
can
go
over
the
results
of
those
as
I
go
through
these
two
recommendations,
that
are
the
outcome.
So
we're
recommending
striping
changes
on
american
boulevard
to
address
these
known
safety
concerns.
The
striping
changes
would
help
to
provide
dedicated
left
turn
space
in
the
roadway,
reduce
the
outlier
speeding.
H
We
know
that
there
are
bus
routes
in
this
area
based
on
the
last
discussion,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
currently
being
utilized,
but
we
would
definitely
want
to
plan
for
for
future
usage,
and
so
those
the
buses
can
also
pull
over
into
that
shoulder
area
for
the
first
bus
stops
and
the
bit
one
of
the
biggest
things
to
address
this
specific
pedestrian
related
issue
is
this:
provides
us
with
enough
curb
existing
curb
to
curb
width,
to
construct
a
pedestrian
refuge
island
to
address
pedestrian
crossing
safety
concerns
at
normandale
lake
boulevard.
H
So
we
did
do
some
analysis
of
the
traffic
signals
we
are.
We
would
not
propose
to
make
any
changes
to
the
striping
down
on
the
far
west
end
at
east
at
the
intersection
with
east
bush
lake
road.
So
if
there's
no
impacts
to
the
loop
detection
or
anything,
there's
center
medians
existing
and
we
will
look
at
a
good
location
to
make
the
merge
merges
on
american
boulevard
to
reduce
from
the
four
lanes
down
to
the
three
lanes
to
carry
that
through.
H
H
Drivers
are
mostly
focused
in
one
specific
lane
of
that
anyway,
so
there's
not
really
a
reduction
in
or
an
increase
in
delay
at
that
signalized
intersection
at
all,
and
by
continuing
the
three
lanes
south
bond
all
the
way.
Through
that
signalized
intersection,
we
eliminate
one
more
merge
location
needed.
So
that's
that's
just
we
try
to
avoid
the
lane
merges
as
often
as
possible.
H
Our
alternative
transportation
plan
has
been
referenced
a
couple
times
tonight,
but
it
does
provide
a
good
map
and
guide
throughout
our
whole
city
that
prioritizes
routes
throughout
the
system
to
provide
connected
bicycle
networks
in
the
plan
american
boulevard
through
here
is
identified
for
proposed
future
facility.
H
I
I
think
that
you
know
that
is
this
a
great
goal,
but
with
some
upcoming
projects
in
the
future
that
are
being
planned
is
going
to
provide
even
better
connections.
So
we've
been
working
with
three
rivers
park
district
on
a
future
c
cp
rail,
regional
trail,
which
will
follow
along
and
use
some
existing
facilities
on
east
bush
lake
road.
H
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
now
into
the
recommended
improvement
for
the
pedestrian
crosswalk.
So
this
is
again
facing
west
at
normandale
lake
boulevard.
H
It
provides
pedestrian
guidance.
It
also
provides
awareness
to
the
drivers
of
where
to
anticipate
pedestrians,
the
safety
benefit
of
adding
a
pedestrian
refuge
island.
Well,
first
of
all,
the
safety
benefit
of
going
from
a
four
lane
to
a
three
lane
in
general
is
that
you
are
significantly
shorting
shortening
the
exposure
of
pedestrians
and
so
currently
when
a
pedestrian
wants
to
cross.
You
know
at
any
intersection
it's
a
legal
cross
block,
whether
it's
marked
or
signed,
but
right
now,
under
current
conditions,
that
pedestrian
is
gauging
traffic
in
four
lanes.
H
Coming
from
you
know
two
lanes
in
each
direction
and
there's
a
multiple
threat
crash
risk
is
what
it's
called.
So
even
if
the
first
driver
in
the
curb
lane
sees
you
and
stops
for
you,
you're
still
at
risk
of
being
struck
by
many
other
vehicles
along
your
crossing
distance.
When
you
go
to
a
three
lane
you
have,
you
are
only
crossing
a
single
single
lane
of
through
traffic.
H
You
are
somewhat
product
protected
in
that
dual
left
turn
lane
in
that
there
is
very,
very
little
traffic
traveling
in
that
lane,
and
then
you
can
cross
the
next.
The
next,
through
lane.
Even
more
improvement
is
with
a
pedestrian
refuge
island,
where
you're
you're
actually
in
a
safe
space,
waiting
to
make
that
second
move.
So
we
think
that
this
is
a
good
improvement
that
would
help
significantly
provide
some
pedestrian
safety
in
this
district
and
at
the
location
where
we
are
finding,
is
very
centralized
for
pedestrian
crossing
demand.
H
So
I
was
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
resident
feedback
that
we've
received
so
far,
so
we
have
had
about
45
people
visit
the
site
to
take
a
look
at
the
project
information.
H
Interestingly
enough,
one
is
from
a
resident
that
lives
right
in
the
district.
One
is
from
a
commuter
that
does
not
live
in
bloomington,
but
very
likely
works
in
this
area
and
then
on.
Two
additional
are
from
residents
of
bloomington
that
are
interested
in
traffic
throughout
traffic
and
traffic
safety
throughout
the
city.
Two
of
the
four
are
in
support
of
the
proposed
changes
to
the
striping
and
three
of
the
four
were
in
support
of
the
proposed
crosswalk
enhancement.
H
So
at
what?
What
we're
going
to
be
asking
of
the
planning
commission
is,
since
this
is
not
a
public
hearing.
We
are
still
asking
for
discussion
on
each
of
these
improvements
that
we're
presenting
and
we
are
looking
for
a
recommend-
the
the
planning
commission
to
make
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
city
council.
A
A
Hearing
none
I'll
use,
commissioner
cook
down,
it
looks
like
you,
have
a
thought.
A
Okay,
perfect
all
right,
miss
maron,
just
if
you
could
go
back
to
that,
the
visual
you
had.
I
I'm
I'm
struggling
here
a
little
bit
because
my
map
isn't
working
for
anything
and
trying
to
understand
okay.
So
we
have
yes
that'll
work,
so
the
three
lane
would
be
striped
from
green
valley
drive.
Is
that
correct
on
the
west.
H
Chair
solberg,
it
is
going
to
be
approximately
green
valley
drive
so
we're
that's
the
limits
of
the
the
overlay
project,
we're
still
looking
at
some
minor
modifications
that
we
can
make
to
the
striping
a
little
bit
to
the
west
of
that.
So
without
having
the
you
know,
the
plan
plan
sheets
in
front
of
us
we're
still
kind
of
working
through
exactly
what
the
limits
of
the
striping
changes
will
be.
H
So
to
the
east,
it's
essentially
down
to
83rd
street,
so
it
would
be
through
the
signalized
intersection
and
down
to
83rd
street.
A
Okay,
that's
I
needed
to
make
sure
I
fully
understood
the
the
limits
of
the
three
lane
and
I
certainly
appreciate
looking
at
a
three
lane
because,
as
I
recall,
some
of
the
conditional
use
permits
that
have
come
through
the
area,
we've
had
some
of
those
same
concerns.
I
think
you
were
on
some
of
those
meetings
as
well,
that
there
were
concerns
about
people
driving
too
fast
and
those
sorts
of
things.
A
My
question
really
is
not
even
about
the
the
three-length
conversion,
because
I
think
that's
very
smart,
but
it
might
be
more
in
the
details.
Just
so
I
understand
so.
Are
we
using?
Is
that
a
state
aid
road,
a
municipal
state
aid
road
or
is
that
purely
a
local.
A
It
is
okay,
so
you're
gonna
have
to
go
by
state
aid
standards,
yes,
okay,
and
that
that
kind
of
answers.
My
question
for
where
I
was
gonna,
go
without
boring
the
rest
of
the
planning
commission.
A
The
next
question
I
have
is
is
really
about
the
pedestrian
crossing,
and
if
you
go
to
that
visual,
you
said
that's
just
on
the
west
side
of
normandale
lake
boulevard.
Is
that
what
you
were
saying.
H
A
Okay
and-
and
I
just
want
to
understand
just
a
couple
details
on
that-
because
I
think
ada
best
practice
would
say
you
should
provide
crossings
on
both
sides.
So
I
want
to
understand
why
we,
we
haven't
decided
to
do
something
on
both
sides
of
the
road,
because
it
does
look
like
there's
sidewalk,
available
on
both
the
east
and
west
side
of
norman
lake
boulevard
and
then
really.
The
second
is
probably
too
detailed.
But
what
is
the
width
of
that
pedestrian
refuge?
A
Is
it
sufficient
enough
to
think
about,
say,
a
bicycle
and
a
burley,
or
is
it
really
in
that
four
foot
width
that
is
kind
of
typical
to
provide
refuge
so
that
signs
aren't
hit.
H
Chairs
those
are
excellent
questions,
so,
given
that
this
is
a
state
aid
roadway,
our
minimum
width
for
a
pedestrian
refuge
island
is
eight
feet,
and
so
we
will
be
at
that
eight
at
about
eight
feet
in
our
design.
H
We
are
also
taking
a
look
at
constructing
this
in
a
way
that
if,
in
the
future,
we
felt
that
rrfb
that
rectangular
rapid
flashing
beacon
supplements
were
needed,
that
we
would
be
able
to
add
those
or
that
type
of
signage
into
this
existing
cross
section
a
little
bit
more
detailed,
is
your
question
about
why
we're
not
providing
a
crossing
also
on
the
west
side
of
the
intersection
there.
H
I
believe
there
are
ped
ramps
in
place
and
there
will
continue
to
be
pet
ramps
in
place,
so
there
would
still
be
a
legal
crosswalk
provided
on
that
side.
One
issue
that
we
run
into
is
because
of
the
because
the
big
driveway
to
the
full
development
on
the
north
is
on
a
curve.
It
has
a
big
sweeping
entrance
and
we
were
getting
into
having
to
do
some
pretty
significant
modifications
to
that
driveway
opening
if
we
wanted
to
have
the
crosswalk
be
anywhere
near
the
actual
intersection.
H
We
think
that
this
is
this
was
the
side
that
had
the
most
crossings
happening.
Currently,
this
is
the
side
that
has
the
bus
stop
currently,
even
though
we
know
that
those
can
be
moved
if
needed,
we
felt
that
this
was
the
best
side
of
the
intersection
to
provide
visibility
as
you're
coming
from
the
west.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
a
curve.
H
It's
seems
a
lot
more
open
when
you're
out
there,
when
you're
approaching
from
the
west,
even
though
it's
from
the
east,
even
though
it's
the
same
curve
so
from
a
sight
line,
visibility
and
serving
the
most
pedestrians.
We
feel
that
this
is
the
best
spot
to
place
the
pedestrian
refuge
island
portion
of
the
crosswalk.
A
Okay,
so
we're
still
providing
the
legal
ada
crossing
on
both
sides.
It's
just
this
side
is
the
refuge.
Okay,
just
wanted
to
understand
that
a
little
bit-
and
I
know
I'm
probably
going
to
think
about
this
a
little
bit
again
too
much,
but
thinking
about
that
big
sweeping
that
radius
on
that
curve
going
north.
A
Is
there
any
thought
and
now
is
that
different
material?
Is
that
bituminous
versus
concrete
or
are
they
both
the
same?
Because
we've
come
across
this
in
in
my
work
too,
and
some
of
the
recommendations
are
changing
pavement
colors
to
make
the
driver
that's
traveling
through
see
that
that
that
is
a
narrower
location,
but
for
the
trucks
and
that
that
might
need
that
curve.
A
It
provides
the
opportunity
to
make
it
without
crossing
the
curb
or
or
the
boulevard,
so
I'll
just
leave
that
as
a
comment
and
that's
nothing
more
to
respond
to
so
any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
Otherwise,
I'm
I'm
supportive
of
this.
So
commissioners.
A
H
That's
great,
thank
you.
Okay,
now,
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
kirk
roberts
I'll
still
be
controlling
the
the
slides.
So
please
excuse,
if
kirk
has
to
keep
telling
me
next
slide.
So.
K
K
All
right,
thanks
for
having
me
I've,
been
at
the
city
for
10
years,
and
I
managed
the
traffic
and
transportation
projects
in
bloomington.
The
one
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
tonight
is
on
the
86th
street
corridor.
This
is
a
pretty
significant,
east-west
collector
street
in
the
city
I'm
showing
it
here
in
red.
K
The
intersection
I
want
to
focus
in
specifically
is
86th
street,
and
that's
shown
here
with
a
red
star,
I'm
seeking
some
changes,
I'm
looking
for
the
commission's
support
on
those
and
then
the
next
slide
here,
similar
to
the
presentation
amy
just
gave
on
american
boulevard
in
2010
amy,
led
a
study
on
86th
street
to
convert
that
from
three
lanes
or
from
its
existing
four-lane
configuration
to
the
three-lane
configuration.
That's
there
now.
That
also
includes
bike
lanes
on
this
on
the
side,
and
that
was
a
pretty
extensive
study,
including
the
public
process.
K
Traffic
volumes
on
lindale
right
there
at
86th
street
or
about
15
000
cars
a
day
and
east
west
volumes
are
a
bit
over
7
000
cars
a
day
so
collectively
between
all
legs.
That
intersection
sees
about
22
000
cars
a
day,
and
so
it's
it's
significant.
There
were
a
lot
of
concerns
that
if
you
reduce
this
down
to
a
single
lane,
you're
going
to
inflict
delay
on
drivers
and
because
of
that
it
was
decided
to
leave
the
east-west
approaches
to
lindale
avenue
in
their
current
four-lane
configuration
so
amy.
K
K
And
then
the
next
slide
here
is
just
showing
that
the
queuing
it
allows
those
multiple
lanes
for
vehicles
to
wait
for
the
signal
to
turn
green.
The
notable
thing
about
this
is
that
that
rightmost
lane
is
not
highly
utilized
because
it
merges
a
couple
hundred
feet
on
the
other
side
of
the
intersection.
Drivers
tend
to
not
want
to
be
in
there.
In
fact,
the
the
state
d.o.t
has
studied
this
and
for
about
every
three
cars
in
the
main
lane.
K
K
So
after
the
road
was
converted
in
2010
bob
simons,
who
leads
our
infrastructure
group,
came
through
and
rebuilt
the
pavement
on
lindale
avenue
over
to
the
east,
and
as
part
of
that,
he
and
his
his
folks
rebuilt
the
intersection
they
added
a
new
traffic
signal
cabinet
which
allows
us
to
sort
of
control
the
intersection
remotely,
as
well
as
control
it
much
more
efficiently.
It's
a
new
and
updated
control
system.
K
That
varies
broadly
throughout
the
day,
but
it's
just
to
show
you
that,
instead
of
having
these
two
lanes
to
cue
in
you'd
have
a
single
lane
for
cars
to
queue
in,
but
the
significant
takeaways
here
is:
there's
no
real
additional
delay
added
to
the
intersection.
There's
no
change
in
the
level
of
service,
and
for
those
of
you
that
don't
think
transportation
too
much
level
of
service
is
just
a
qualitative
measure
of
delay.
It
goes
from
a
which
is
almost
no
delay.
K
What's
the
changes
that
we're
proposing
would
really
not
change
that
delay
at
all,
and
then
the
most
important
takeaway
is
that,
under
this
new
configuration,
the
cars
would
clear,
with
the
onset
of
green,
so
you're
not
going
to
have
cars
come
up
to
the
intersection,
get
a
green
light.
Everybody
in
front
of
them
goes
up.
They
got
a
red,
they
have
to
wait
through
the
next
cycle.
Everybody
clears
in
the
same
queue
and
we're
able
to
maintain
that
into
the
future.
K
We
looked
at
this
in
terms
of
growth
using
growth
rates
that
we
don't
expect
to
see
much
much
heavier
growth
than
we
expect
to
see
in
this
area,
and
it
operates
well
into
the
20-year
horizon
without
issues
and
the
analysis
we
did
is
based
on
pre-covered
traffic
volumes
too,
which
are
higher
than
what
we're
seeing
now.
So
it's
a
very
conservative
analysis
from
that
perspective
and
we
can
maintain
the
timing
into
the
future.
K
K
Since
that
time
the
city
has
continued
to
improve
its
infrastructure.
We
continue
to
invest
in
the
community
and
because
of
that,
we
can
continue
to
advance
our
accommodations
for
all
roadway
users
and
consistent
with
the
concerns
expressed
by
the
commission
and
the
council
in
2010.
We
can
do
that
without
significantly
encumbering
anybody
any
of
the
other
users,
so
that's
reflected
in
the
striping
changes
and
I'm
seeking
the
support
of
the
commission
to
take
these
to
the
council
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
kirk
roberts,
any
commission
members,
commissioner
abdi.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
in
support
support
of
both
presentations
made
today.
I
appreciate
staff's
time
on
that.
A
question
I
had
is
really
not
per
se.
It's
focused
on
the
86th
and
lindell
corridor
area,
but
it's
not
specifically
about
this.
I
just
wanted
to
tie
any
changes
in
transit.
I
know
this
is
mostly
is
trapping
modification
and
not
necessarily
reconstructing
of
that
intersection
so
to
say,
but
with
the
lindell
retrofit
plan
that
the
city
is
considering,
I
know
the
plan
that
you
mentioned
right
now,
the
I
should
say
the
2020.
G
The
2010
excuse
me
plan
that
you
mentioned
was
something
that
was
already
done,
that
you're
building
onto
for
this
proposal
to
kind
of
show
that
we
have,
we
are
making
improvements.
We
have
heard
being
a
need
at
the
time.
Would
there
be
any
changes
to
the
streets
inc?
K
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
abdi,
I
appreciate
that
question
and
shows
a
lot
of
fourth
forethought.
The
lindell
retrofit
does
propose
increased
levels
of
density,
much
more
housing
in
the
area.
You
know
revitalization
of
the
area
and
that
would
come
with
additional
traffic
and
that
would
be
added
to
lindale,
and
so
potentially
that
could
affect
how
we
operate
this
intersection.
But
I
don't
think
it
would
be
enough
or
of
the
magnitude
that
we
would
reverse
this
decision
on
how
we
approach
those
side
streets.
K
K
The
one
caveat
is
there
is
some
thought
about:
adding
multimodal
facilities
to
lindale
and
changes
in
the
capacity
of
lindale
could
affect
this
intersection.
But
we
don't
know
enough
about
that
yet
that
I
can
really
make
a
statement
on
how
what
the
changes
would
look
like
we're
just
still
developing
our
thoughts
about
how
we
could
rework
the
lindell
corridor
to
accommodate
bikes
better.
So
I
don't
have
anything
real
specific.
K
K
Well,
let
me
back
up
one
other
point
on
the
lynndale
corridor.
Retrofit
is
that,
with
that
plan
is
a
whole
nother
set
of
roads
and
streets
driveways
and
things
to
serve
those
additional
developments.
There
would
be
additional
transportation
infrastructure
built
with
that
to
handle
some
of
the
increased
trips
and
things
like
that
and
that
again
I
can't
speak
specifically
to
all
the
impacts,
because
we
haven't
looked
at
it
in
that
level
of
detail
as
of
yet,
but
we
will
and
then
transit.
This
doesn't
have
any
effect
on
on
transit.
K
G
It
was
perfect.
Thank
you
so
much.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
am
very
supportive
of
this
change.
I
traveled
this
route
frequently
in
the
east
west,
and
I
think
the
reason,
especially
that
I
think
it's
it
works
is
the
the
intentional
for
westbound
traffic.
The
intentional
turn
lane
right
there
at
aldrich,
because
you
know
mr
roberts.
I
know
you
said
that
for
every
three
cars
that
choose
the
left
lane,
one
car
chooses
the
right
lane.
Well,
what
happens?
E
Is
you
choose
the
right
lane
because
you're
afraid
of
having
to
stop
while
someone's
waiting
to
turn
left
and
then,
if
they
don't
stop
you
run
into
this
quick
bottleneck
trying
to
merge,
so
I
think
that's
a
well
planned
out
design,
so
I'm
very
supportive
of
it.
E
I
could
take
a
moment
of
a
little
bit
of
a
related
but
side
point
of
personal
privilege.
You
know,
86
is
a
you
know,
a
pretty
reasonable
thoroughfare
for
the
city,
and
I
think
this
this
conversion
to
this.
This
model
has
worked
well,
but
I,
what
I
noticed,
though,
is-
and
you
kind
of
alluded
to
it-
with
your
drawing
that
shows
the
bike
connection
that
continues
xerxes
to
90th
and
so
on.
What
happens
when
you
get
a
thoroughfare
like
this
and
you
get
to
somewhere
like
xerxes?
E
You
know
you
continue
maybe
another
block,
and
then
you
are
dumped
into
what
should
be
low
traffic
residential,
and
there
are,
I
know,
there's
speed
and
traffic
issues
and
line
of
sight
issues
once
you
reach
that
dead,
end
that
zenith
there,
and
so
I'm
not
necessarily
looking
for
an
answer
of
how
you
saw
that
I
don't
know
what
we
do
generally
of
the
city
when
we
run
into
things
where
what's
intended
to
be
a
thoroughfare
kind
of
is
needs
to
go
one
way
or
the
other
and
not
continue
straight
on.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
crookton.
C
Thanks
mr
chair
not
directly
related
to
this
item,
but
I
did
notice
when
the
photos
were
shown
at
86
in
lindale
in
the
renovation
that
happened
the
last
time
this
was
done
in,
I
think
it
was
2010.
C
It
did
stick
out
to
me
that
we-
I
don't
know
if
they
were
new
or
just
retained,
but
the
curve
walks,
the
sidewalks
that
are
right
next
to
the
street-
are
still
there,
and
I
recognize
that's
not
the
exact
item
we're
talking
about
here,
but
just
for
my
own
knowledge,
because
I
I
don't
know
this,
what
relation
do
sidewalks
have
to
do
with
our
our
pavement
management
program?
Is
that
included
in
that?
Or
do
we
rely
on
private
development
to
modify
those
sidewalks
or
how
does
that
all
get
mixed
together?
K
Mr
commissioner,
cookton
and
the
city
engineer
is
also
on
the
line
and
she
can
speak
to
this
more.
If
I
don't
satisfy
your
question,
the
they
do
do
sidewalk
repairs
as
part
of
pmp
work,
but
it's
fairly
limited
to
that,
and
so
under
a
pavement
management
project,
we
wouldn't
move
an
entire
sidewalk
to
get
it
away
from
that.
K
Curb,
although
I
would
love
it,
if
we
did,
I
agree
that
the
curb
walk
is
is
less
than
desirable
now,
but
that
said,
the
funding
for
sidewalks
as
much
as
they
are
loved
the
sidewalk
funding
is
actually
fairly
limited
and
so
we're
just
limited
to
where
we
can
get
development
to
pay
for
those
or
where
we
have
special
projects
to
add
them.
C
Thank
you
for
that
response
and
anything
I
can
do
as
an
individual
planning,
commissioner,
to
throw
some
weight
behind
getting
funding
moved
around
to
get
rid
of
those
curve
blocks.
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
I
think
I
think
they
in
particular,
in
some
locations
old
shot,
could
be
road
just
etc,
they're
downright
terrible.
It
would
be
great
to
see
those
get
replaced
with
more
pedestrian,
safe
sidewalks.
I.
A
Okay,
I'll
just
announce,
I
I'm
in
support
of
it.
I
do
have
a
question
for
you,
mr
robertson,
and
it
really
has
to
do
about
safety,
bicyclists
and
and
these
sorts
of
improvements
where
we
have
what
was
once
a
four
lane
and
it
kind
of
splits
off
like
this
and
I'm
looking
at
your
your,
I
guess
schematic
and
I'm
wondering,
are
we
doing
anything
more
than
just
that
kind
of
striping?
Or
are
we
treating
that
bike
lane
differently?
A
We've
seen
that
in
other
communities,
where
it's
painted
to
really
help
it
stand
out,
because
my
my
concern
here
is
is
as
this
is
as
you're
driving
towards
that,
and
I
see
this
oftentimes
is
people
will
drive
across
that
bike
lane
to
avoid
the
cue
in
some
of
these
longer
setups
to
get
to
that
right
turn
lane.
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
are
the
tricks
within
engineering
that
help
really
provide
the
visual
barrier
for
automobiles.
K
Mr
chairman,
I
appreciate
that
that's
a
design
level
question
that
we're
sorting
through
right
now,
and
so
this
is
just
a
preliminary
concept.
We
don't
have
the
design
sorted
out
in
terms
of,
though
you're
right
that
whenever
you
cross
a
bike
lane
over
a
right
turn
lane
you
get
into
significant
issues,
and
you
want
drivers
to
understand
that
that
is
a
space
where
they
can
expect
to
see
those
cyclists.
And
so
we
use
a
series
of
you
know
we
can
use
wider
lines.
K
We
can
use
different
types
of
lines
all
the
way
up
to,
as
you
alluded
to
painting
that
lane
green.
Now,
we
haven't
done
that.
Yet
in
the
city,
it's
something
we've
looked
at
in
a
couple
instances
and
we've
made
the
decision
to
use
other
treatments
instead,
but
that's
certainly
an
option
that
we
reserve
and
those
ideas.
K
Those
standards
are
rapidly
evolving
so
that
every
year,
when
we
look
through
these
facilities,
we've
got
to
go
okay.
Well,
what's
the
latest
thing
that
we
can
do
now?
It's
a
nice
place
to
be,
and
we
do
have
so
many
more
tools
at
our
disposal
to
keep
keep
cyclists
and
pedestrians
safe
on
the
road
like
this.
So
I
don't
have
specific
answers
to
your
question,
but
it's
something
we're
sorting
through
right
now
we
do
intend
to
use
use
what's
needed
there.
A
Typically,
though,
right
now
in
the
city
of
bloomington,
it's
it's
simple,
striping
and
marking
in
that
location.
K
That's
correct,
mr
chairman,
and
including
the
bike
lane
markings.
That's
something
that
we've
heard
about
from
people,
especially
on
86th
street,
is
that
we
don't
mark
our
bike
lanes
in
2010.
We
actually
couldn't
mark
those
as
a
bike
lane
because
of
the
state
aid
standards
that
you
alluded
to
earlier.
Now
those
have
changed
and
we
we
do
have
more
tools
at
our
disposal,
we're
starting
to
go
back
through
and
restriping
those
as
bike
lanes
and
specific
facilities.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I
think
I
saw
as
I
read
the
commission.
Everybody
is
in
support
and
of
the
restriping
at
86th
and
lindale
anything
else.
We
need
on
that
one.
Mr
roberts.
L
Good
evening,
commissioners
hi
I'm
paul
jarvis,
I'm
the
traffic
management
coordinator.
I
work
in
engineering.
I
work
for
both
amy
and
kirk.
I
primarily
handle
the
city's
traffic
calming
requests
and
work
on
bike
and
pedestrian
projects,
and
I've
been
with
the
city
for
just
short
of
14
years.
L
L
The
the
for
most
part,
the
area,
is
primarily
single-family
residents
and
some
multi-family
town
houses
that
are
along
decatur.
This
is
city
park,
land
is
on
the
south
side,
cavall
pond
the
frame
and
the
reason
for
the
project.
The
short
answer
is:
we
have
we've
been
having
too
many
accidents
occurring
at
this
residential
intersection
we
average
about
one
accident
per
year.
L
All
the
actions
have
been
vehicles,
leaving
the
roadway
ending
up
on
or
in
a
couple
cases
in
private
property,
the
contributing
factors
we
look
at
on
this
one
is
mostly
a
speeding
problem.
L
106Th
street,
between
bloomington
ferry
and
about
is
about
three
quarters
a
mile
long
with
no
traffic
control
or
very
few
driveways
too,
we've
attempted
in
the
past
to
control
the
speeding
on
this
segment
of
106
with
some
temporary
radar
feedback
signs
that
did
have
some
success
in
lowering
average
speeds
closer
to
the
posted
30
mile
an
hour,
but
the
radar
signs
worked
only
for
a
limited
time
and
their
effectiveness
tends
to
wane,
especially
in
these
neighborhoods,
where
it's
just
primarily
the
residents
and
we've
made.
We've
made
other
improvements
along
at
this
intersection
as
well.
L
L
Yeah,
the
2021
overlay
project
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
make
some
further
changes
to
help
alleviate
the
problem.
L
L
L
L
By
putting
in
the
concrete
medians
we
give
them
visual
cues
to
slow
down
and
that
you're
entering
or
you're
making
a
change
in
the
actual
roadway
use
going
from
its
collector
to
a
residential,
and
we
can
also
look
at
these
medians
as
a
bit
of
a
gateway
treatment.
That
tells
gives
the
drivers
of
the
idea
that
we're
no
longer
on
the
four
lane
or
a
wider
roadway,
going
again
as
more
of
a
gateway
residential
treatment,
the
adts
in
this
area.
A
All
right,
commission
members,
any
questions
for
mr
jarvis
on
this.
A
A
Okay
and
the
extent
I'm
assuming
you
probably
don't-
have
the
details
yet
other
than
maybe
the
width
but
the
length
that
will
be
determined
by
future.
L
Is
yep
we'll
be
going
into
final
design
soon.
A
Okay
and
then,
as
I
see
the
understand
this
schematic
in
front
of
us,
then
it
looks
like
it
includes
striping
to
to
help.
A
What
would
be
the
next
step
if
this
doesn't
reduce
crashes
in
the
corner.
L
I
would
be
a,
I
think,
would
have
to
be
some
sort
of
redesign
of
the
interchange
itself.
Okay,.
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
have
some
questions
about
parking
and
I
may
have
missed
this.
So
apologies.
If
you
already
mentioned
it,
but
looking
at
the
google
earth
image
or
apps
version-
and
I
see
parking
along
the
streets
is
that
is
that
allowed
and
then
follow-up
question
to
that
would
be
then
does
that
become
not
allowed?
When
you
have
the
median,
then.
L
Commissioner,
albrecht
currently
there's
no
parking
on
106th
street
allowed
and
I
think
there's
around
the
curve.
I
don't
think
there's
parking
around
as
well
on,
but
there's
some
parking
up
on
decatur.
A
A
Any
others,
any
other
commission
members
I'll
I'll
start
I'll,
say
yeah.
I
I
support
the
the
option
to
put
in
the
medians
here
at
this
corner.
It
looks
like
you
know,
just
that
narrowing
of
the
lanes
is
helpful
in
reducing
speeds
feels
like,
unfortunately,
one
of
these
roads
and
I'll
I'll
put
my
my
two
cents
out
there
again
that
are
often
overbuilt
within
many
cities,
and
we
can
benefit
from
reduced
pavement
widths
for
sustainability
and
public
health
for
using
for
other
ways.
A
A
Commissioner
albrecht
is
a
thumbs
up,
I'm
not
necessarily
seeing
the
others
so
you'll
have
to
commissioner
crookdowns
a
thumbs
up,
and
commissioner
abdu
is
in
support
all
right,
mr
jarvis,
it
looks
like
you,
have
a
recommendation
or
support
to
move
those
forward.
Thank.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
all
to
the
public
works
staff
for
your
work
on
these
appreciate
you
listening
to
the
public
and
hearing
their
concerns
and
moving
forward
multimodal.
A
All
right,
let's
see,
we
are
now
on
item
number
four
for
the
evening
and
I'm
guessing
I'm
gonna.
Look
to
mr
marker
guard
to
continue
our
discussion
of
planning
commission
meeting.
B
Format
I
have
to
unmute,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
good
evening
we
had
some
discussion
at
your
last
meeting
one
week
ago,
a
study
discussion
and
the
commission
decided
to
make
a
couple
changes
to
your
meeting
format.
First
of
all,
televising
study
meetings.
B
B
We
do
have
nine
meetings
per
year
that
are
set
aside
specifically
for
study
items,
and
the
idea
is
that
you
can
go
more
in
depth
at
those
meetings
but
based
on
past
planning,
commission
preference.
What
we've
tried
to
do
is,
where
possible,
have
the
study
items
be
on
regular
agendas
and
the
reason
for
that
was
to
reduce
the
overall
number
of
meetings.
So
in
a
given
year,
I'm
guessing
about
half
of
the
study
meetings,
if
not
a
little
bit
more
are
canceled.
B
So
while
there
are
nine
on
the
schedule,
typically
they're
not
all
used,
it
might
be
four
that
are
actually
used
so
kind
of
the
the
policy
trade-off
is.
Would
you
like
more
meetings
but
shorter
meetings
or
fewer
meetings,
but
longer
meetings,
and
there
are
both
pros
and
cons
on
that
from
a
staff
perspective?
One
of
the
issues
is
that
there
are
some
staff
time
impacts
in
having
additional
meetings,
there's
some
overhead
that
goes
into
having
additional
meetings.
B
B
We
have
staff
that
have
minimum
callback
periods
that
attend
the
meetings
and
generally
it's
more
efficient
to
have
fewer
meetings
but
longer
meetings,
but
we
can
certainly
accommodate
if
the
commission
does
want
to
convert
study
meetings
to
regular
meetings.
So
just
want
to
open
that
up
for
discussion
and
get
your
input.
If
you
do
decide,
you
want
to
make
a
change,
we
would
need
a
motion
on
that
and
we
would
formally
change
the
schedule
that
we
have
posted
online.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
marker
guard.
I
did
as
as
chair.
I
did
review
the
discussion
from
the
last
meeting,
so
I'm
aware
of
of
what
was
going
on
during
that
meeting,
but
I'm
gonna,
let
those
that
were
in
attendance,
begin
the
discussion.
So,
commissioner,
crookton.
C
C
Sometimes
long
meetings
or
very
loaded
meetings
can
be
allowed
to
prepare
for
when
we
get
a
packet
on
friday
or
thursday,
and
we
have
a
week
to
prepare
that
can
be
a
bit
a
lot
and
so
having
that
spread
over
more
meetings,
I
could
lessen
the
burden
on
us
and
give
us
more
time
to
focus
on
individual
items.
C
You
and
I
have
to
travel
to
city
hall
more
often
to
to
attend
a
shorter
meeting,
and
I'm
not
sure
I'm
saving
much
personal
time
by
having
to
to
go
to
more
meetings
than
if
I
had
just
studied
a
little
bit
longer
for
one
meeting,
and
so
I
think
what
I've
trended
towards
is.
I
would
like
to
keep
my
preference
would
be
to
keep
the
study
meetings
the
way
they
are,
and
I
had
another
thought
that
I'm
sure
it
will
come
back
to
me.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
cook,
and
we'll
get
back
to
you.
I
think
I
got
every
commissioner
albrecht.
F
F
I
think
it
allows
for
the
opportunities
to
cancel
meetings
if
there
isn't
anything
on
the
study
items
which
allows
us
thursday
nights
back
versus
taking
even
a
couple
even
a
couple
hours.
I
think
I
would
be
in
preference
to
have
more
more
time
to
study
if,
if
need
be
so.
A
So
you're
in
support
of
keeping
it
as
is
correct.
Yes,
thanks,
okay,
all
right,
commissioner
cook
done,
you
must
have
your
found.
Your
other
thought.
A
I
think
normally
in
a
study
we
just
talked
so
go
ahead
and
then
we'll
come
back.
C
The
other
reason
I
was
sort
of
I
persuaded
myself
to
to
have
this
opinion
is
that
we've
also
sort
of
decided
that
we're
going
to
put
this
end
time
on
meetings,
which
also
could
help
us
limit
the
very
long
meeting.
So
that's
sort
of
a
conduit
for
that,
and
I
think
most
of
our
meetings
are
in
you
know
the
two
to
three
hour
range
and
I
think
I
would
rather
have
one
three
hour
meeting
than
two
one
and
a
half
hour
meetings.
C
I
think
that's
still
reasonable
and
we've
got
this
now
sort
of
idea
that
we're
going
to
limit
the
five
or
six
hour
meetings.
So
for
all
of
those
reasons
combined,
I'm
I'm
comfortable
keeping
the
study
sessions,
as
is.
A
L
G
Of
the
meetings,
it
would
only
be
a
couple
of
hours
and
should
an
item
go
beyond
a
certain
time
and
sta
and
members
are
not
willing
to
extend
it.
An
item
can
be
continued
to
a
different
meeting.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
chair.
A
Yes,
that
would
be
correct.
I
think
the
the
other
benefit
of
making
all
meetings
public
hearing
is.
It
does
allow
more
meetings
to
which
then
continuances
could
be
made.
G
Yeah
and
another
thing
based
on
my
understanding
from
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this
was
study
sessions
are
not
made
public.
So
should
we
combine
everything?
I
think
it
would
be
beneficial
for
the
public
to
be
informed
of
the
conversations
that
we're
having
in
these
somewhat
closed
doors,
considering
that
some
of
these
are
not
recorded,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
will
be
publicized
or
not,
but
so
that
we're
all
open
about
when
the
commissioners
are
referencing,
something
that
we've
discussed
in
the
study
session.
G
That
somebody
may
not
be
aware
about
it
that
when
combined
the
meetings
they
could
hear
about
it
as
a
study
session.
If
it's
open
to
the
public,
then
at
a
different
meeting
they
can
realize
the
relationship
that
commissioners
are
talking
about
the
two
different
items,
so
I'm
in
favor
of
it
and
yeah.
I
don't
have
anything
completely
against
it.
If
it
continues
to
be
the
way
it
is,
but
I
would
prefer
it
to
be
combined.
A
Okay,
so
to
maybe
summarize
your
you're
in
support
of
com
combining
the
meetings.
One
part
of
that
is
really
the
transparency
of
having
study
the
study
meetings
publicly
broadcast
and
then
the
ability
to,
and
if
I
got
it
right,
the
second
one
is
is
being
able
to,
with
the
limited
time
to
continue
to
short
duration
for
those
items
rather
than.
G
A
Missing
the
session
study
session
time
frame
that
was
wordy,
but
I
think
I
think
I
got
where
you
were
coming
from.
B
And
mr
chairman,
if,
if
I
could
just
make
one
comment,
I
want
to
note
that
all
meetings
are
public,
public
and
openly
public
and
whether
they're
study
or
regular
and
all
would
be
televised
as
well.
A
Okay,
all
right
so,
okay,
all
right,
commissioner
roman.
E
Yeah,
I
those
of
you
who
were
here
last
time,
know
I'm
an
advocate
for
consolidating
them
and
just
having
meetings
not
separating
them.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
an
idea,
we're
not
necessarily
having
more
meetings,
because
we
could
cancel
a
regular
meeting
just
as
easily
as
we
could
cancel
a
study
meet
it's.
So
it's
about
how
the
staff
plans
and
brings
us
an
agenda
that
they
feel
captures
the
needs
of
the
business.
That
needs
to
be
done.
E
I
know
for
myself
and
I
you
know
ellie
and
joanna-
aren't
here,
so
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
them.
I'm
there,
but
I
know
nelly
was
clear
about
long
days.
I
know
for
me
about
a
half
hour
ago.
E
I
was
kind
of
reaching
my
limit
for
the
day,
and
that
was
only
two
and
a
half
hours,
and
so
I
would
personally
prefer
to
meet
if
we
have
to
meet
more
and
have
them
be
shorter,
but
I
think
the
idea
of
having
the
ability
for
the
staff
to
create
an
agenda
that
is
the
business
that
needs
to
be
done,
regardless
of
whether
it's
hearing
related
business
or
study
business.
E
Again,
I
think
they,
I
believe
they
have
the
ability
to
cancel
meetings,
regardless
of
what
the
calendar
is
so
and
I
think
it's
also
valuable
for
us.
You
know
we.
We
had
the
11
o'clock
time
cut
off
to
try
to
line
up
with
the
council.
Now
we
started,
we've
always
started
a
six
now
the
council,
starting
at
six.
You
know
we
are
kind
of
the
next
big
body
after
the
city
council.
E
So,
given
that
they've
gone
to
all
standard
meetings,
I
personally
would
be
in
favor
of
aligning
the
business
in
a
similar
fashion,
but
that's
my
take.
A
I
have
not
given
my
thoughts
yet,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
think
about
with
this
is
we
have
not
had
a
lot
of
meetings
that
have
gone
late,
but
we've
had
more
meetings,
go
really
late
in
the
last
six
months
year
than
in
my
four
previous
years,
and
so
there
certainly
has
been
their
fair
share
of
long
meetings,
and
I
think
the
side
of
that
is
that
the
public
and
the
applicants
deserve
to
be
heard
and
have
a
good
discussion
about
their
applications.
A
A
So
when
I
think
about
those-
and
I
just
this
trend-
and
maybe
it's
a
blip
on
the
radar-
maybe
it's
not
of
having
these
meetings-
these
longer
meetings
in
this
last
year
and
the
kind
of
the
the
maneuvering
we
were
trying
to
do
to
fit
in
the
opportunity
or
the
pandemic
housing
ordinance
and
to
try
and
make
it
in
a
quick
timeline.
For
some
of
these
to
be
useful,
I
like
the
idea
of
combining
the
meetings
simply
with
the
ability
to
instead
of
waiting.
A
You
know
in
some
cases,
two
plus
or
three
plus
weeks
or
or
better
in
order
to
to
get
it
back
in
line
that
we
have
shorter
distance
between
those
meetings
or
shorter
timelines
so
and
that
just
kind
of
goes
to
what
part
of
the
public
expect
from
us
in
the
in
the
in
the
process.
A
Really,
as
far
as
as
you
know,
the
the
number
of
meetings
I
I'm
gonna
say
honestly,
I
I
I
don't
plan
on
anything
on
thursday
evenings
because
I
never
know
if
we're
gonna
quite
have
a
study
session
or
we're
not,
and
so
again
I
think
you
come
back
to
allowing
these
additional
dates
for
the
planning
staff
to
really
try
and
figure
out
what
schedules
are.
I
know
we've
asked
it
in
the
past.
A
What
planning
commissioners,
you
know
are
going
to
be
here
in
july
or
summer,
if
there's
really
a
lot
of
things
going
on,
so
that
they
can
tailor
some
of
the
schedule
to
that,
and
I
think,
as
we
get
into
some
of
these
other
months
and
the
items
get
lower,
you
know
we
may
still
cancel
a
regular
meeting.
C
A
B
B
Occasionally
we
run
into
a
situation
where
we
have
a
very
large
number
of
items
on
a
given
agenda
and
in
that
case-
and
this
happens
rarely,
but
in
that
case
we
would
kind
of
handle,
it
first
come
first
served
and
when
it
fills
up,
we
would
take
the
additional
items
and
shift
them
to
a
future
meeting.
A
That
answer
where
you're
going
commissioner
cookton.
C
It
does,
and
I
think
where
I
was
sort
of
going
with
that
is,
I
think
it
gives.
If
that
is
sort
of
the
standard
procedures,
it
probably
gives
us
a
little
bit
less
flexibility
to
cancel
a
regular
meeting
than
a
study
meeting
where
the
study
meeting
is
in
our
control,
and
you
know
it's
sort
of
our
call.
We
think
we
can
sort
of
slam
down
on
the
back
end
of
a
regular
meeting,
whereas
an
applicant
is
has
the
expectation
that
they're
going
to
be
at
the
next
meeting.
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
it
just
to
be
clear
too-
and
the
the
status
of
of
meetings
really
depends
upon
the
60-day
law,
so
they
have
to
be
in
that
in
that
that
time
frame
for
a
decision.
So
it
doesn't
it's
not
like
we
get
to
just
push
them
out
forever,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
a
public
meeting
so.
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
saying
what's
hard
about
that,
is
that
the
items
are
so
unpredictable
as
to
how
long
they're
gonna
take.
You
know
I
mean
like
let's
say
we
only
had
one
item.
We
only
had
one
item
in
public
business
or
of
hearing
related
business
tonight.
The
first
item
the
applicant
spoke
for,
I
don't
know
30
seconds.
E
I
I
and
we
spent
an
hour
on
that
item,
so
even
items
that
are
pretty
straightforward.
Without
you
know,
long
oratories
from
the
applicant
can
still
chew
up
a
fair
bit
of
time,
but
I
think
to
your
point,
commissioner:
coopter
is:
how
much
does
the
staff
have
the
ability
to
what
we
always
have
done
is
put
it
on
the
next
agenda,
but
does
the
staff
have
the
ability
to
choose
to
wait
another
week
if
they
realize
that
there's
only
one
item
in
wheel,
I
think
there's
one
item
the
week
after.
B
Yeah,
mr
mr
mark,
mr
chairman,
commissioner,
roman
we've
tried
that
actually
fairly
frequently
when
we
have
just
one
small
item
on
an
agenda.
B
What
talk
to
the
applicant
and
say,
would
you
have
any
concerns
about
shifting
back
two
weeks
and
every
once
in
a
while
they'll,
say:
okay,
but
I'd
say
90
percent
of
the
time
known
time
is
money,
so
they
very
much
prefer
not
to
shift,
and
unless
we
mandate
it
so
once
we
have
a
schedule
out
that
says
these
are
the
meeting
dates,
there's
an
expectation
that
unless
the
agenda
is
full
that
they
would
be
able
to
utilize
that
date.
C
That
is
a
new
hand,
and
I
know
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
detour
in
the
conversation,
but
I
think
it's
still
part
of
the
conversation
now
that
we
are
moving
forward
with
making
all
of
our
study
meetings,
whether
they're,
separate
or
combined
public
and
televised.
C
E
A
E
A
Well,
I
I
would
put
it
this
way
right
now
and
I
would
say,
especially
during
covid
you're,
seeing
these
even
much
more
formal
than
they
have
been
in
the
past
when
we
were
in
person.
A
I
I
guess
mr
marker
guard,
if
we're
gonna
televise
those
we
will
all
be
in
here
instead
of
around
a
table-
and
I
guess
that's
almost
a
televised
television,
the
communications
folks
about
how
they
would
be
able
to
track
on
each
person.
Speaking.
B
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
cookton.
I
think
that
the
biggest
issue
on
formality
will
be
the
setting
like
you
said
when
we're
televised.
We
need
to
be
in
the
chambers,
because
that's
where
we
have
everything
set
up
to
accommodate
that
so
study
meetings
have
always
been
open
to
the
public
and
the
public
frequently
attends
study
meetings,
but
we've
been
having
study
meetings
in
a
conference
room
setting
kind
of
everybody's
sitting
around
a
table.
A
I
think
that's!
That's
probably
more
of
a
logistics
question.
A
All
right
any
other
thoughts,
so
we
got
kind
of
a
right
now.
A
I
think
I'm
reading
the
room,
as
commissioner
cookton
would
prefer
to
stay,
as
is
commissioner
albrecht
would
prefer
to
stay,
as
is
commissioner,
abdi
is
leaning
towards
combination,
and
I
think
commissioner,
roman
and
I
are
are
on
the
side
of
combining
the
meetings
so
we're
we're
kind
of
in
this
middle
ground,
and
we
don't
have
two
of
our
commissioners,
and
I
really
do
think
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
I
would
not
like
to
make
a
decision
without
two
of
the
commissioners
really
being
able
to
be
heard,
at
least
for
the
decision
to
make
a
resolution.
A
F
F
A
Okay,
that's
my
opinion
yeah.
Commissioner
yeah.
I
I
don't
recall
the
the
the
I
read
some
of
the
the
comments
I
have.
I
have.
E
Some
notes,
sorry,
we
just
talked
about
being
more
formal
and
then
I
jump
in.
E
E
Commissioner
corman,
I
think,
was
definitely
in
for
him
for
more
meetings
because
she
wanted
shorter
meetings
so,
but
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
that's
just
what
my
notes
say
that
I
have
because,
but
I
think
it's
funny
because
we're
in
the
same
situation,
we
were
last
time
I
was
filling
in
the
chair,
and
I
said
we
should
really
wait,
because
we
should
have
everybody
waiting
on
it.
So
here
we
are.
A
Well,
I
would
maybe
this
is
a
a
way
to
kind
of
move
us
forward.
Our
next
meeting
is
february
11th
and
how
many
items
do
we
have
on
the
february
11th
meeting?
Mr
marker
guard.
A
G
Yeah
there's
I
have
a
simple
cop
and
then.
G
B
A
All
right,
I
I
would
propose
this
if
we
have
an
understanding
now,
where
everybody
everybody's
heard
the
item
that
if
we
can
continue
as
a
last
item
on
the
february
11th
meeting,
we
can
settle
it.
Then
the
study
meeting
there's
not
a
study
meeting
until
the
18th.
So
we're
not
it's
not
like
we're
getting
rid
of
anything
right
there
and
then
that
would
give
as
a
resolution
we
would.
We
would
perform
that.
How
long
will
it
take
to
be
put
in
effect,
then?
Mr
marker
guard.
B
Mr
chairman,
commissioners,
I
don't
think
you'd
need
a
resolution.
I'm
sorry
you
would
need
a
motion
motion
and
it
looks
like
the
february
18th
study
meeting's
already
been
canceled,
so
it
would
probably
take
effect
in
march
so
that
mid-march
meeting
would
be
the
first
study
meeting.
That
would
become
a
regular
meeting.
A
A
Get
a
email
from
those
two
commissioners,
if
they're
not
planning
on
being
here
that
way,
we
at
least
have
a
document
saying
where
everybody
stands
can
are
we
can
we
be
supportive
of
that
thumbs
up
from
commissioner
roman
commissioner
cookton,
commissioner
albrecht,
commissioner
abdi,
I
can't
necessarily
see
you,
but
I'm
gonna
s.
A
A
Absolutely
commission
members
do
I
have
a
motion
to
continue
this
item
until
the
february
11th
meeting.
Commissioner
cookton.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
move
the
item
before
us
to
the
february
11th
regular
planning
commission
meeting,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
by
roll
call.
Commissioner
crookton.
Sorry,
I'm
going
out
order.
I
don't
have
my
paperwork
anymore.
A
Commissioner,
roman
aye
and
I
for
myself
motion
passes
this.
The
item
of
planning
commission
moving
moves
to
the
february
11th
planning,
commission
meeting
format
moves
to
february
11th
and
I
believe
that
concludes
all
our
items
for
tonight
and
now
we
know
already
that
we
have
two
items
and
what
they
are
for
the
february
11th
meeting.