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From YouTube: October 8, 2020 Bloomington Planning Commission Meeting
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Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
october
8th
bloomington
planning
commission
meeting,
the
planning
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues,
some
items
on
the
planning
commission.
We
have
final
decision
authority,
others
the
city
council,
will
make
the
final
decision
planning
commission
is
made
up
of
seven
volunteers
that
are
appointed
by
the
city
council
to
serve
for
up
to
three
year
term.
Tonight
we
have
six
available.
A
A
B
B
A
A
I
will
ask
the
the
presenter
staff
member
to
present
this
the
staff
report
and
then,
after
the
staff
report,
I'll
ask
if
there's
any
questions
for
this
staff
from
the
planning
commission
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
for
any
additional
information
they
may
have
and
then
we'll
go
to
public
for
comments
from
the
public
after
that.
If
the
public
has
questions
and
comments
during
that
period,
the
planning
commission
will
direct
if
they
want
the
app
applicant
or
the
staff
to
answer
their
questions.
A
C
C
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chair
planning.
Commission.
The
first
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
a
final
site
and
building
plan
application
for
an
expansion
of
an
existing
verizon
wireless
facility.
The
address
is
10801
bush
like
road,
but
it's
on
the
southeast
corner
of
bush
lake
road
in
western
shakopee
and
louisiana
avenues
to
the
east.
I
did
I
did
just
pass
on
this
slide
momentarily.
There
was
another
phone
number
to
call,
but
I
understand
that
the
the
best
number
to
use
is
scrolling
across
the
screen,
so
we'll
just
we'll
just
try
and
be
consistent
there.
C
So
again,
this
is
the
site
as
it
exists
today.
An
existing
telecommunications
facility
west
will
chucklebee
road,
as
I
mentioned
in
bush
lake
road.
I
want
to
touch
on
the
land
use
designations
for
this.
So
this
is
the
how
the
comprehensive
plan
designates
this
particular
property,
but
I
also
want
to
highlight
the
surrounding
properties,
and
so
blue
is
industrial,
and
so
the
the
land
use
designation
for
this
property,
as
well
as
properties
to
the
south
and
to
the
east,
are
for
industrial
land
uses.
C
C
The
the
brown
light
brown
or
darker
brown
is
for
medium
or
high
density,
residential,
so
apartments
town
homes
and
the
like
the
pink
to
the
west
is
a
general
business
and
I'll
get
to
the
zoning
districts
in
just
a
moment.
So
I
guess
the
the
point
here
is
to
identify
that
there's
a
variety
of
land
uses
that
are
planned
for
this
area,
so
this
is
this
is
a
transitional
site
for
various
land
uses
going
to
the
zoning
this
site,
similar
to
the
in
consistent
with
the
land
use
destination,
is
for
industrial
park.
C
So
we
would
anticipate
that
there
would
be
some
level
of
industry
or
industrial
type
uses
on
the
site
as
well
as
surrounding
sites
to
the
south
into
the
to
the
east.
There
is
a
a
site
to
just
to
the
west:
that's
owned
for
a
lighter
industrial,
that's
actually
a
car
care
center,
but
you
can
see
to
the
north
to
the
northeast
to
the
northwest
into
the
southwest.
We
have
residential
uses.
The
white
being
single
family
and
the
the
brown
color
being
higher
density,
town
homes
and
apartments.
C
So
this
is
the
site
plan
that's
being
proposed
by
the
applicant
and
again
this
is
an
existing
facility.
It's
about
53
000
square
feet.
That's
in
the
diagonal
hatched
area.
The
proposed
expansion
is
to
the
north
of
the
existing
building.
That's
highlighted
in
green,
so
the
the
expansion
wouldn't
be
closer
to
busch
like
road.
C
It
would
be
built
closer
to
western
shakopee
road,
and
so
that's
about
a
16
700
square
foot
expansion,
mainly
a
data
center
facility,
really
not
too
much
in
the
way
of
offices
or
work
spaces
or
cubicles,
really
for
their
for
the
network
systems
and
I'll
get
to
some
of
the
more
challenging
components
of
this.
This
project
momentarily
before
I
do
that
we
as
part
of
these
reviews,
we
always
deal
with
parking
requirements
and,
as
a
you
know,
industrial
facility
or
a
data
center.
That's
a
you
know.
C
C
So
they
wouldn't
build
this
parking
area
provided
to
get
approval,
but
if
there
appears
to
be
a
parking
issue
or
they
for
some
reason
have
a
lot
higher
employment
than
they
anticipate,
then
the
city
could
hypothetically
compel
them
to
build
these
30
spaces.
But,
as
it
says
today,
they
would
not
under
the
proof
of
parking
option.
C
C
But
I've
highlighted
these
areas
in
terms
of
what
would
be
added
to
the
site
in
the
kind
of
the
red
rectangle.
You
have
air
handling
units.
It's
a
labeled
ahu
on
the
plan
in
the
green.
There
are
air
conditioned
condensers
and
then
the
blue.
You
see
the
the
generators,
so
they
won,
they
would
have
one
new
generator
or
additional
generator.
The
existing
generators
are
within
the
building.
This
would
be
outside
of
the
building
and
then
they're
identifying
a
potential
future.
Second,
second
generator
on
the
site.
C
C
You
know
different
parts
of
life-
I
guess
I'll
call
it,
but
you
can
see
it
it's
a
little
small,
but
a
quiet
room
is
about
40
decibels,
rainfall
50,
an
open
office,
65
decibels-
and
you
know
I
wanted
to
point
this
out,
because
the
city
does
have
noise
standards
and
I'll
get
to
some
of
the
challenges
with
that,
but
the
state
does
as
well,
and
so
this
is
just
a
good
reference
of
of
what
these
sorts
of
things
tend
to
be
relative
to
the
to
how
loud
they
are.
You
know.
C
C
C
There
were
a
lot
of
issues
initially
when
the
facility
was
built
where
too
much
of
the
exhaust
was
directed
towards
residential
areas
and
the
the
applicant
at
that
time,
you
know,
shifted
the
exhaust
180
degrees
and
to
direct
it
away
from
the
residents,
and
I
think
that
helped
a
fair
amount,
although
I
think,
from
time
to
time
when
they're
doing
their
testing
there,
some
residents
have
identified
that
they
can.
It
is
impacting
and
they
do
smell
the
ozer,
the
odor,
when
testing.
C
As
part
of
the
development
application,
the
applicant
did
prepare
a
noise
study,
and
this
is
something
that
we
required
as
part
of
the
application,
mainly
because
we
were
aware
of
the
noise
concern
and
we
wanted
to
have
the
applicant
model
the
noise,
to
confirm
that
it
was
compliant
with
city
code,
and
this
is
a
I
guess,
a
noise
heat
map.
If
you
will,
where
the
red
is
the
highest
level
of
noise,
and
it
would
make
sense,
it's
closest
to
the
condensers
and
the
air
handling
units
to
the
north
of
building
and
then
beyond.
C
It
was
not
consistent
with
city
code
but
as
it
turns
out,
there's
a
some
language
in
the
state
or
state
law
that
prohibits
local
governments
from
having
more
stringent
standards.
So
really,
when
we're
talking
about
compliance
with
city
code,
we're
related
to
noise,
it's
really
the
state
standards
that
have
to
be
met
and
that's
what
our
our
goal
is.
Staff
is
to
ensure
compliance
with
with
those
state
standards.
C
Here's
another
schematic
graphic
of
the
air
handling
unit,
so
this
isn't
a
bird's
eye
view.
This
is
a
side
view
where
you
see
the
air
handling
unit
ahu
and
then
those
red
lines,
just
a
you
know,
is
a
graphical
representation
of
of
sound
and
really
they,
the
relative
to
the
general
public.
The
air
handling
units
are
surrounded
by
a
wall
and
then
another
wall.
C
There
is
an
initial
barrier
wall
that
is
proposed
to
have
some
sound
absorption
material
as
part
of
that
wall,
so
that
would
be
that
would
mitigate
a
good
great
deal
of
noise
and
then
a
secondary
wall,
which
would
be
more
public
facing
on
the
north
side
and
the
east
side
would
be
a
masonry
block
a
black
wall.
So
that
would
also
have
some
noise
mitigation
impacts,
but
then
also
provides
screening
for
their
outdoor
equipment
and
for
general
security.
C
So
I
mentioned
some
state
law
that
does
apply
to
us,
and
our
legal
staff
did
review
this,
but
so
the
the
pollution,
control
agency
or
mpca
stipulates
that
they
are
in
charge
of
establishing
standards
for
noise
and
they
all,
and
so
they
preempt
local
government
from
having
more
stringent
standards
than
the
state.
So
staff
we're
aware
of
this
and
and
staff,
is
working
on
amendments
to
be
consistent
with
state
law,
but
generally
speaking
it
it's
the
it's.
C
The
state
rules
that
we
have
that
the
applicant
and
staff
have
to
work
with.
That
being
said
again,
the
noise
study
and-
and
we
imagine
that
members
of
the
public
have
some
questions
about
the
noise
study.
The
applicant's
acoustic
engineer
engineers
are
available
for
questions
tonight,
and
so
we
think
their
their
feedback
would
be
beneficial
and
providing
a
little
more
explanation
for
how
the
study
works
and
how
it
relates
to
existing
the
existing
facility
as
it
stands
today.
C
So
this
is
the
corner
of
western
chakopi
and
bushlake
road.
You
can
see
the
the
building
addition
and
the
air
handling
units
so
a
lot
of
shrubs
and
smaller
smaller
plantings
along
the
security
wall.
But
then
there's
not
much.
That's
being
proposed,
nothing
being
proposed
between
that
that
area
and
the
sidewalk
so
we
need
to.
We
would
need
to
fill
that
in
a
little
bit
with
trees
because
they
are,
they
are
deficient.
C
The
building
elevations
that
they're
proposing
they're,
proposing
a
brick
building
expansion
so
that
that's
certainly
compliant
with
city
codes,
exterior
material
standards.
So
the
image
on
the
lower
image
identifier
depicts
the
north
elevation
behind
the
wall.
So
you
can
see
those
air
handling
units,
so
they
are
again
they're
quite
big.
C
C
D
Thanks,
mr
chair,
what
question
I
have
for
you,
mr
simcenario,
is
really
around
the
generators
themselves.
Are
these
diesel
generators
first
question
and
then
what
type
of
mitigation
muffler
catalytic
converter
type
of
devices
are
on
these
types
of
generators
to
help
mitigate
the
the
odor
and
the
noise?
I'll
take
my
question
offline.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
commissioner.
The
the
generators
are
diesel
and
so
they've
they're,
really
a
public
safety
element
to
having
generators
at
this
type
of
facility
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
and
power
is
lost.
Through
the
you
know,
the
general
electrical
system,
they
would
need
to
run
their
generators
to
to
maintain
operations
at
the
facility.
So
there
is,
they
are
diesel
and
they
do
have.
They
would
have
tanks
with
fuel
on
site.
C
They
are,
they
are
enclosed.
The
generators
itself
are
are
self-enclosed,
so
the
the
noise
is
essentially
mitigated
with
its
own
enclosure
in
terms
of
the
exact
technical
details
of
the
muffling
system
for
the
exhaust
stacks,
I'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
ask
the
applicant
on
how
that's
how
that's
done,
but
again
self-contained
enclosures
and
then
yes,
it
is
diesel.
B
B
F
B
G
Their
existing
facility
is
running
at
full
capacity
as
it
is
in
order
to
maintain
service
and
continue
to
grow
and
and
expand
into
the
the
5g
network.
That's
underway,
that's
what
requires
the
additional
data
center
space
and
the
facility
is,
is
basically
a
7
000
square
foot,
computer
room
supported
by
ups
and
electrical
rooms,
all
of
the
systems
that
we're
putting
in
are
redundant.
G
Since
you
know
a
general
diesel
engine
is
running.
We
can't
we,
you
know
we
can
do
you
know
we
can.
We
can
clean
out
so
much
of
that,
but
it's
still
a
diesel
engine,
so
so
we're
taking
steps
that
we
can
to.
You
know
to
improve
on
on
what
would
typically
be
installed
with
an
installation
like
this.
The
generators
are
in
an
acoustical
enclosure
which
greatly
reduces
any
noise.
G
That's
coming
from
those
generators,
so
that
you
know
by
the
time
any
sound
that
would
be
reaching
that
screen
wall.
It
will
have
very
minimal
impact.
We
think
on.
You
know
beyond
that
point,
given
the
reduction
of
noise
from
from
those
acoustic
enclosures
that
they'll
be
be
housed
in,
and
I
think
we
touched
on
earlier,
the
the
air
handling
units.
We
have
there's
two
screen
walls
that
we
provided.
G
You
know
within
the
prescribed
requirements
and
and
on
a
note
just
along
along
this,
the
screen
wall
to
the
north
of
that
we
have
added,
in
response
to
the
comments
that
we
received
from
the
planning
department,
additional
landscaping
and
some
trees
all
along
that
that
northern
wall,
so
that
will
be
screened
and-
and
you
know,
made
more
attractive
than
just
the
the
bare
wall
that
it
would
potentially
be.
So
we
have
added
in
the
the
additional
trees
and
added
addition,
a
good
bit
of
landscaping
along
that
north
side.
G
A
Thank
you,
mr
powerbecker.
This
is
chairman,
solberg,
hey,
just
a
question
for
you.
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
something
I
want
to
verify.
You
were
mentioning
about
the
air
handling
units
and
that
you
have
a
specialty,
acoust
acoustic
wall
on
both
sides.
Are
you
referring
to
the
what
would
be
on
the
north
side
of
the
air
handling
units
and
then
on
the
I
guess,
the
south,
the
building
expansion
or
what
were
you
referring
to.
G
G
But
it's
a
it's
a
screen
wall,
that's
five
feet
taller
than
the
in
the
units
and
it's
it's
made
of
a
a
you
know
an
acoustically
absorbent,
it's
specifically
designed
just
to
absorb
and
control
sound
in
instances
like
this.
It's
the
same
wall
that
that
verizon
had
installed
over
by
the
generators,
so
it's
the
same
product
and
so
that
that
wall
closest
to
the
the
air
handlers
was
added.
G
A
A
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
a
question
for
the
applicant
and
specifically
to
the
applicant's
acoustics
engineer,
if
they're
available,
the
study
addressed
the
new
equipment
here
in
regards
to
the
decibel
level,
that's
allowed,
but
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
whether
that
study
included
any
existing
noise
that
was
coming
out
of
the
site
and
so
wondering
if
the
app
province
acoustics
engineer
could
could
verify
whether
the
existing
conditions
were
taken
into
account.
In
that
study.
I
A
F
I
F
I
A
D
G
D
Thanks,
mr
chair,
one
of
my
questions
that
I
have
is
really
around
the
use
of
the
building
itself.
With
this
expansion,
mr
centenario
had
mentioned
that
additional
proof
of
parking
would
be
required,
but
not
needed
at
this
time.
So
one
of
the
questions
I
have
is
really
just
around
how
many
employees
will
be
at
this
facility?
Does
that
is
that
plan
to
increase
with
the
new
expansion?
D
G
Okay,
this
is
jim
pennebecker
again
currently,
there's
probably
given
the
the
clove
in
19
and
all
the
office
staff
is,
is
working
remotely.
There's
approximately
six
staff
that
are
involved
in
operating
the
facility
and
maintaining
the
the
data
center
portion.
There's
approximately
30
people
that
that
work
in
the
office
area.
A
D
G
A
All
right,
I
just
I
I
do
have
one
additional
question
and
it
really
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
go
back
because
the
this
is
regarding
the
noise
and
so
the
exist
or
the
modeling
that
was
provided
only
dealt
with
the
new
edition
or
new
equipment,
and
I
think
we've
heard
quite
a
little
bit
from
neighboring
residents
that
there
is
noise
that
exists.
Now.
I
don't
have
a
real
good
sense.
If
that's
constant
noise
or
if
that's
peak
period
type
noise,
so
can.
A
I
The
60
deviated
the
daytime.
Let
me
check
that
here.
It's
50,
it's
50,
dba
at
night
and
60
degree
during
the
daytime,
so
we
our
calculations
in
our
contour
plot,
we're
evaluating
the
noise
from
the
new
equipment
to
the
50
dba
requirement
for
night
time.
Generators
when
they're
tested
need
to
meet
the
60
dba
requirements.
So
so
again
I
still.
I
don't
think
that
this
equipment
is
going
to
add
significantly
to
even
when
the
generators
are
running.
They're
going
to
add
significantly
to
the
noises
in
the
neighborhood.
A
I
think
there's
some
difference
there
right
of
usable
space
from
from
residents.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
fully
understand
that
from
a
planning
commission
standpoint
as
we
move
forward.
So
that's
that's
why
I
asked
that
question.
I
don't
know
that
I
I
need
a
response
on
that
at
this
point,
but
are
there
any
other
questions?
First,
for
the
applicant.
A
B
J
A
J
J
J
I
I
wish
I
could
interject
the
times
the
questions
were
being
asked
and
answered,
but
I
heard
a
question
about:
are
we
going
to
model
the
existing
equipment
simultaneously
with
the
new
equipment?
And
I
heard
the
answer
was
no,
but
we
could
add
it
in
by
measuring
and
I
guess,
gentlemen,
the
generators
are
a
once
a
week
issue
during
the
daytime
that
that's
separate.
J
J
J
J
That's
when
I
can
sleep,
but
I
can't
sleep
because
I
have
to
listen
to
these
things
howl
and
at
various
locations.
I'd
like
to
see
these
tests
on
a
one
and
done
test
done
five
feet
somewhere
on
the
ground
on
a
nice
sunny
day.
Next
isn't
going
to
cut
it
because
that's
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
the
other
200
nights
of
the
year
and
120
nights
when
it's
really
cold
and
this
sound
travels
and
it
hits
my
bedroom
window.
J
One
other
thing
somebody
earlier
on
in
your
q,
a
said
there
is
no
other
equipment.
No,
there
is
obviously
all
the
equipment
on
the
south
side,
so
I
say
south
side
plus
north
sides,
gonna
equal
more
than
what's
in
the
model,
and
the
topography
of
our
area
is
an
upland
from
this
area.
So
any
of
that
sound
that
makes
it
over
that
wall
is
unabated
right
to
the
back
of
our
homes.
J
The
last
thing
on
the
generators
they
are
tested
every
wednesday
and
the
tests
start
this
morning
woke
me
up
at.
I
usually
get
up
to
feed
the
dogs,
but
I
didn't
this
morning
anyways.
The
generators
woke
me
up
at
7
15
a.m.
This
morning
and
the
generators
were
howling
and
still
running
at
1
pm
this
afternoon.
J
J
Constant,
uninterrupted,
40
dba,
not
50.
so,
and
a
10
dba
change
from
50
down
to
40
is
perceived
as
having
cutting
in
half
the
sound
level
is
perceived
by
a
human
as
half
the
sound
level
all
right.
Well,
I
would
I
would
ask
that
verizon
look
at
there
are.
There
are
many
more
sound
attenuation
measures
they
could
take.
J
A
A
D
H
D
There
are
some
of
the
most
mature
on
the
whole
property,
and
is
there
any
way
those
can
stay
at
this
point,
at
least
that
row
of
there's
about
nine
of
them,
because
a
mature
tree
is
going
to
help
out
in
the
situation
from
the
get-go
much
better
than
a
younger
tree,
that's
shorter,
and
also
it's
just
you
know,
keeping
the
model
that
you
have
now
they're
beautiful
and
it
bothers
me
that
those
would
be
probably
bulldozed
over.
You
know.
The
whole
lot
would
be
bulldozed
over
in
that
area.
G
A
H
H
H
H
H
H
A
B
A
H
Appreciate
this
opportunity
good
evening,
mr
centenario,
on
the
planning
commission.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
My
name
is
molly
lon
I've
been
a
bloomington
resident,
my
entire
life
45
plus
years.
I've
lived
on
bush
lake
road
here
right
across
the
street
for
over
15
years.
I
am
also
a
mr
kennebaker,
a
verizon
customer
as
well,
and
I
think
verizon
actually
does
a
fabulous
job,
but
I
just
want
to
echo
some
of
these
concerns.
Sound
pollution
is
number
one
for
sure.
I'm
concerned
about
potentially
increased
traffic.
H
To
some
degree,
I
did
you
know,
hear
you
describing
there's
not
gonna,
be
a
whole
lot
of
potentially
extra
employees.
I'm
concerned
about
resale
value
of
my
home,
because
I
to
just
to
kind
of
say
this
in
a
right-brained
way.
I
kind
of
don't
want
my
front
yard
to
become
a
big,
concrete
area
with
diesel
engines
because,
basically
I
live.
I
do
live
directly
across
the
street
and
it
has
a
huge
impact
on
just
sort
of
quality
of
life,
knowing
that
that's
what's
across
the
street
gemma.
H
H
H
It
is
also
correct
that
it
goes
up
so
about
where
these
decibels
are
being
measured
from,
because
on
the
upper
levels
of
my
townhouse,
it
is
much
very
prominent.
So
if
I'm
sitting
up
like
in
my
loft
working
on
my
computer
or
something
I
basically
have
to
have
music
on,
I
have
to
have
some
kind
of
distraction,
because
that
sound
is
constant.
All
winter
long
and
so
the
idea
of
expanding
it
is
is
rather
frightening.
H
I
did
reach
out
to
the
city
a
number
of
years
ago
started
and
I
didn't
really
get
a
result
of
it.
So,
basically,
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
have
concerns
about
the
sound
level,
as
things
are
right
now
that
ideally
really
would
be
addressed,
and
so
the
idea
of
expanding
the
facility,
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
this
being
appealed.
H
I
think
yeah,
my
yeah,
my
request
is
definitely
this
goes
to
an
appeal
at
this
point.
I
think
I
think
those
are
the
main
comments
that
I
have
and
I
you
know
I'm
just
kind
of
a
gut
level.
I
I
this
is
again
it's
just
I'm
speaking
from
my
guts
here,
but
I
feel
like
verizon,
a
national
giant
corporation
they've
got
tons
of
resources
to
work
with,
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
viable
solution
apart
from
accepting
in
my
front
yard.
Basically,
so
thank
you
for
your
support.
H
A
B
B
A
A
I
The
answer
is:
no.
We
don't
consider
season
what
we've.
What
we
have
done
in
this
case
is
we've
taken
the
very
worst
case,
condition
for
the
for
the
source
levels,
which
is
all
five
units
running
simultaneously
at
their
loudest
condition,
which
which
isn't
a
real
condition.
It's
all
five
won't
run
at
the
same
time,
but
we
want
to
be
the
worst
case
conditions
we
want
a
high
number
and
in
our
modeling.
I
I
It
does
include
that
it
doesn't
include
it
as
the
worst
case,
but
it
includes
some
effect
of
that.
So
I
think
that
we
do
cover.
We
do
cover
the
worst
season,
which
is,
which
is
winter,
maybe
not
to
the
to
the
to
the
to
the
worst
extent,
but
we
do
consider
it
and
we
do
consider
wins
that
are
somewhat
favorable
to
propagation.
A
I
I
I
A
All
right
just
an
additional
couple
questions
here.
I
think-
and
maybe
it's
not
necessarily
for
you,
but
maybe
it's
for
mr
pennebecker
and
the
discussion
that
we
heard
concern
about
landscaping
and
is
the
plan
allow
the
ability
to
keep
some
of
those
larger
trees
in
the?
I
guess
it
it'll
be
the
the
north
side
of
the
property.
D
Yeah
thanks
mr
chair,
I
guess
the
the
question
around
trees
is
one
that
I
had
so
thank
you
for
the
answer.
The
second
question
I
had
was
around
the
second
application
that
the
the
resident
referred
to
with
the
tower
and
just
wanted
to
understand,
are
these
two
requests
connected
in
any
way
that
the
tower
would
would
be
contingent
on
this
new
data
center,
etc.
So,
just
the
question
about
the
tower
application
and
how
it's
connected
to
this
one.
G
A
B
Clarified,
mr
chairman,
commissioners,
we
do
have
an
application
from
verizon
at
this
site
for
a
30-foot
tower.
The
tower
would
be
on
the
southeastern
portion
of
the
site
whether
or
not
there's
a
relationship
between
the
addition
and
the
tower.
I'm
not
sure-
and
maybe
mr
centenario
knows
that,
but
they
are
two
separate
applications
and
the
tower
is
coming
to
your
next
planning
commission
meeting.
Okay,
thank.
C
C
A
A
D
E
I
want
to
start
by
acknowledging
the
letters
we've
received
from
members
of
the
community,
the
comments
we've
heard
tonight
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
well
we
always
welcome
and
take
into
account
that
feedback.
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
the
members
of
the
community
know
how
little
ability
we
have
to
influence
this,
especially
on
the
noise
piece.
E
In
many
ways
we
see
this
when
we
get
cell
towers,
and
now
we
see
this
when
it
comes
to
noise,
but
he
has
better
standards
in
this
on
noise
and
we
can't
do
anything
about
it,
so
I
wanna
just
I
want
that
out
there
for
the
people
who
brought
forward
these
questions
and
concerns
to
know
that
our
what
comes
out
of
this
or
what
we're
required
to
act
on
is
not
necessarily
what
the
city's
standards
might
be.
I
think
I
have
my
the
main
thing.
That's
holding
me
up
right
now.
E
E
I
used
to
live
under
the
airport
and
when
the
temperature
got
below
zero,
the
airport
sounded
a
lot
different,
and
so
I
I
believe
that
the
things
that
they're
bringing
us
are
are
real
and
legitimate,
and
so
the
fact
that
we've
noise,
modeled
some
or
we've
been
brought
noise
modeling.
That
only
takes
us
in
isolation.
E
I
have
a
hard
time
go
on
only
based
on
that
the
other
areas
again
reasonable
objections
from
the
community.
I
just
want
them
to
know
that
the
city
is,
has
its
hands
tied
and
has
had
its
local
control
usurped
by
the
legislators.
So
that's
where
we're
at
on
that.
I
think
you
know
I
it
sounds
like
the
amount
generator
testing
sounds
like
it's
more
than
than
we
are
told.
E
I
don't
know
if
that's
true
or
not,
I
don't
know
if
there's
you
know
clearly
used
diesel
generators
instead
of
natural
gas,
which
would
have
had
different
odor
effects
on
the
neighbors
lesser
I
would
assume-
and
again
I
don't
know
if
two
hours
is
the
industry
standard
or
if
that's
the
we
have
to
burn
this
fuel
every
so
often,
and
so
two
hours
is
what
it
takes
to
burn
before
the
fuel
goes
bad
and
we
restock
it.
I
don't
know
what
the
logistics
are
about
that,
but
that's
a
business
logistics.
E
That's
not
that's,
not
what's
required
to
make
sure
the
generator
works.
So
again,
I
think
my
main,
I
would
like
to
see
more
of
that.
I'm
you
open
to
hear
other
people's
thoughts
on
is
whether
or
not
we're
comfortable
with
the
noise
modeling.
That
does
not
take
into
account
other
noise
from
the
site.
A
F
F
Furthermore,
if
if
we
were
to
you
know,
depending
on
what
this
commission
size
and
their
conditions
etc,
I
would
like
further
information
on
you
know
what
inputs
are
being
used
into
this
model
as
far
as
as
weather
and
season
and
temperature
recognizing
that
we're
modeling
here
and
it's
not
a
necessarily
a
measured.
You
know
type
of
a
situation,
it's
a
model,
and
so
there
are
inputs
in
a
model
and
similar
to
a
traffic
model.
F
You're
you're
somewhat
limited
on
you
know
on
the
information
you
have
and
you're
modeling
it,
and
I
recognize
that,
but
I
think
it's
you
know
important
to
understand.
You
know
with
a
little
bit
more
clarity.
What
is
industry
standard
when
we're
talking
about
temperature
and
season,
and
you
know
what
type
of
you
know
are
we
using
just
industry
standard
or
is
there
you
know
other
options
and
what
codes
are
we
using
to?
You
know
how
much
of
a
recurrence,
interval
or
conservatism
etc?
Is
in
that
engineering.
C
F
As
an
engineer
myself,
I
have
a
curiosity
to
that.
I
think
it's
important
to
understand.
Are
we
talking
about
an
average
average
fall
day
or
an
average
winter
day,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
winter
here
and
I
think
the
residents
have
expressed
that-
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
that
information
better.
So
those
are
my.
D
D
My
understanding
that
the
testing
was
done,
giving
the
five
air
handling
units,
but
if
those
are
being,
if
those
are
running
at
the
same
time
that
the
generators
are
being
tested.
What
is
what
does
that
look
like
what
is
the
sound
pollution
that
would
occur
because
of
that?
I
I
to
him
concerned
about
that
and.
D
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
think
I
would
just
echo
most
of
the
or
all
of
the
other
planning
commission
members
comments.
The
thing
that
I
think
about
too
is
just
about
this
is
on
quite
a
busy
road
old
shackley
road
has
a
lot
of
road
noise
and
probably
drones
out
a
lot
of
the
fan
noise
from
this
facility
during
the
day.
D
D
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
fully
understand
how
long
those
generators
are
to
be
tested
for
and
then
make
sure
that
that
the
diesel
engines
are
are
maintained
to
to
meet
the
the
tier
2
emissions.
Compliance.
There's
a
lot
of
great
technologies
out
there
to
minimize
the
exhaust
fumes
from
these
engines
and
thinking
about
having
those
run
for
so
long
and
exposure
to
contaminants,
particulate
matter
and
ozone
knocks
etc
to
those
residents
for
such
a
long
period
of
time.
D
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Corman.
Do
you
have
another
comment
or
is
your
hand
just
still
up
all
right
I'll?
Take
that?
Yes,
no
additional
comments
at
this
point.
Did
anybody
else
send
any
additional
thoughts,
I'll
I'll,
just
add
mine
in
here
as
well?
I
think
you
know
initially
kind
of
looking
at
this
application.
A
It
was
showing
that
it
it's
close
to
this
compliance,
so
it
started
out
with
just
a
bit
of
a
question
and
now
we're
learning
a
little
bit
more
about
the
generators
in
use
from
the
residents
around
and
I'm.
I
am
concerned
just
like
the
other
commissioners
that
were
not
getting
the
full
aspect
of
what
the
noise
will
be
generated
from
this
facility.
A
I
think
the
other
point
that
I
don't
want
to
lose
sight
of
is
yes,
the
generators
are
maybe
tested,
maybe
they're
two
hours,
maybe
they're
four
hours.
I
don't.
We
don't
know
the
the
exact
details
on
that.
But
what
we
do
have
to
understand
is
that
these
are
backup
generators
and
they
will
be
potentially
in
use
for
a
long
time
if
there
is
a
need
for
them,
so
that
is
potentially
an
impact
to
the
neighborhood.
A
If
you
will
disruption
or
mitigation
of
some
of
the
noise
that
could
come
from
the
facility
and
just
the
overall
aesthetic
impact
that
the
facility
has
so,
if
there's
a
way
to
to
see
what
the
trees
are,
that
would
be
impacted
and
which
ones
exactly
would
be
staying
that
meet
the
needs
of
our
landscape
plan.
That
would
additionally
be
helpful.
A
E
C
Yeah,
mr
chair,
commissioner,
you
know
our
our
next
meeting
is
already
october
22nd
and
the
packet
would
be
distributed
distributed
to
you
next
week.
So
I
I'll
let
the
applicant
add
their
two
cents,
but
I
think
it
would
hard
to.
It
would
be
hard
to
add
this
additional
information
and
provide
it
to
you
within
within
a
week.
Maybe
I'm
mistaken,
if
not
october,
22nd,
then
the
next
meeting
after
that
would
be
november
5th.
So
maybe
that's
a
more
appropriate
timeline
to
allow
the
applicant
to
study
this
further.
E
C
Sure,
mr
chair,
commissioner,
roman,
we
have
the
ability
to
extend
the
agency
action
timeline
to
120
days
and
we
haven't
done
that
yet,
and
so,
if
the
application
has
continued
for
a
few
weeks,
we
would
we
would
do
that.
But
I
we
would
still
be
able
to
work
within
the
confines
of
the
state
law
in
terms
of
actionable
timeline.
A
A
Okay,
so
we
do
have
the
ability,
then,
I
think
to
commissioner
roman's
question
we
would
have
to
make,
since
we
have
final
decision
authority
at
the
planning
commission,
we
would
have
until
that
date
to
make
a
decision
if
to
give
the
applicant
more
time
to
do
the
model.
Modeling,
maybe
work
with
staff
on
the
additional
landscaping
or
whatever
else
the
planning
commission
would
desire
from
that.
A
E
E
C
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
certainly
the
landscape
plan
could
be.
It
sounds
like
the
applicant
has
already
done
some
work
based
on
staff's
comments,
so
I
I
believe
those
uncertainties
could
be
addressed,
but
frankly,
I'd
have
we.
I
think
we
should
ask
the
applicant's
engineers
to
see
if
they'll
be
able
to
do
the
additional
work
within
the
next
few
weeks,
and
then
we
can
figure
out
if
the
fifth
or
the
19th
is
the
more
appropriate
date.
A
A
I
It
depends
on
what
information
we
need
to
gather
from
the
site
in
the
existing,
the
existing
equipment
and
how
quickly
we
can
get
that.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
I
can
give
you
an
answer
on
that
right.
Now,
two
weeks
is
probably
it's
probably
a
little
bit
tight
to
get
the
work
done,
but
I
I
think
that's
that's
the
the
best
answer.
Probably
I
have
right
now.
A
A
B
A
G
Well,
my
concern
is,
I
know
if
the
meeting's
on
the
fifth,
the
information
has
to
be
provided
well
before
that,
so
that
really
cuts
us
back
into
the
amount
of
time
that
we
have
to
gather
the
information
and
and
model
it
and
get
everything
published
and
distributed.
So
my
concern
is
that
you
know
we
would
not
have
enough
time
to
make
this
the
middle
deadline
for
to
to
get
everything
you
want
for
that
meeting,
particularly
on
the
sound
level.
A
B
D
A
B
A
A
A
A
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair
commissioners.
The
next
item
on
your
agenda
really
switching
gears
quite
a
bit
to
a
privately
initiated
code
amendment,
and
so
this
is
not
a
staff
driven
or
planning
commission
driven
amendment.
This
was
applied
for
by
luther
dealership
and
they
would
like
to
modify
sign
standards
for
class
one
new
motor
vehicle
sales
facilities.
C
C
C
The
subaru
dealership
is
under
constructed
well
under
construction,
and
the
sign
package
that
they
would
like
to
install
on
the
on
the
building
is
not
compliant
with
current
standards
and
so
they're
they're
seeking
to
amend
those
standards
to
to
install
what
what
they
believe
is
an
appropriate
amount
of
signage
on
the
building.
So
what
I
have
before
you
is
just
an
image
as
it
was.
C
You
know
customer
parking
and
service
service
parking.
The
site
does
extend
to
the
south
to
american
boulevard,
a
former
auto
repair
or
I
believe
it's
an
auto
body
repair
facility.
The
plan
is
to
demolish
that
eventually,
once
the
subaru
building
is
completed.
So
this
is
this:
is
the
final
product
that's
in
process
now
and
when
we
have
a
large
development,
we
often
have
what's
called
a
uniform
sign
design
and
that
uniform
sign
design
or
usd
for
short
identifies
all
the
signage.
C
That's
on
site
that
includes
freestanding
signs
on
building
signs,
directional
signs
and
smaller
on-building
signs
called
incidental
signs,
and
so
in
the
context
of
an
auditor
dealership,
when
you
drive
up
to
a
dealership
for
to
get
an
oil
change
and
you
look
for
the
service
sign
on
the
building.
That's
an
incidental
sign,
and
so
we
account
for
that
in
city
code,
and
we
require
that
applicant
include
that
in
their
uniform
sign
design.
C
That's
quite
restrictive
to
accommodate
signage
for
two
dealerships
and
what
we
are
proposing
is
to
eliminate
that
site
based
maximum
the
350
square,
foot
per
site
and
move
towards
per
building
allowance,
which
is
throughout
the
most
of
the
sign
code,
is
what
we
is.
What
we
have
and
I'll
get
into
more
detail
on
what
that
looks
like,
but
first
I'll
touch
on
free
standing
signs
more
specifically
the
the
primary
freestanding
sign,
which
could
be
monuments,
pylon
style
signs.
C
C
C
So
what
we're
proposing-
and
this
is
pretty
pretty
consistent
with
other
areas
of
the
code-
is
to
slightly
reduce
the
sign
area
for
a
pylon
style,
sign
and
drop
that
down
to
75
square
feet.
We
still
wanted
to
maintain
the
height
allowance,
given
that
we
do
have
given
the
current
standards.
We
do
have
some
pylon
style
signs
that
are
up
to
30
feet,
so
we
wanted
it
to
really
limit
the
potential
of
non-conformities,
but
we
do
want
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
an
incentive
for
the
monument
style
sign
which
the
code
prefers.
C
Has
certain
expectations
and
here's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
freestanding
sign
options,
and
these
are
all
pylon
style
options
and
I
have
in
the
upper
left,
100
square
foot,
pylon
style
which
would
not
be
permitted
under
the
proposed
standards,
but
all
of
them
would
be
permitted
if
they
were
monument
style
signs,
whereas
in
the
upper
right
you
see
a
75
square
foot
pylon
style
sign.
All
of
those
would
be
permitted
under
the
proposed
standards
going
to
the
subaru
signs.
C
C
This
is
an
image
showing
the
the
building
elevation
for
bloomington
acura
as
it
exists
today,
there's
very
little
signage
on
the
building.
You
see
a
small
building
sign
along
the
west
elevation
and
that
this
is
facing
lindale
there's
a
couple
of
incidental
signs
on
the
on
the
building,
but
very
limited
and
we'll.
C
Let
the
applicant
give
us
an
update
on
the
timeline,
but
their
intent
is
after
the
subaru
dealership
is
complete
they'll,
be
working
towards
a
major
remodel
of
this
of
this
facility,
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
assume
that
as
part
of
that
remodel,
they're
going
to
want
to
update
their
freestanding
on
building
signage,
and
so
we
expect
that
to
change
where
we
only
have
one
small
unbuilding
sign.
We
expect
that
they're
going
to
want
more
signage
on
the
building
and
these
amendments
would
meet
their
expectations.
C
C
The
images
on
the
screen
are
a
combination
type-
and
this
is
this-
is
increasingly
common,
where
you
have
a
portion
of
the
sign,
which
is
what
we
call
cabinet
in
this
case
the
subaru
star
cluster,
and
then
the
portion
of
the
sign
is
individual
letter
or
channel
letter,
the
subaru
on
the
sign
and
that's
pretty
common,
where
you
have
a
retailer
or
some
sort
of
company
that
has
a
logo
oftentimes,
it's
easier
to
have
that
logo
as
a
cabinet.
It
doesn't
have
to
be,
but
something,
but
it
is
pretty
common.
C
This
type
of
combination
is
not
permitted
currently
in
city
code
for
dealerships
we
are
proposing
to
allow
this
combination
and
allow
the
proportion
of
cabinet
sign
to
the
total
area,
so
in
this
case
the
yellow
box
to
the
entire
sign
or
the
red
dashed
area
to
33
or
about
a
third
and
so
elsewhere
in
the
code
that's
limited
to
25
percent.
It's
we
run
into
a
lot
of
proposals
that
are
inconsistent
with
that
25,
but
we
think
this
you
know,
roughly
one-third
is
a
good
proportion
and
are
proposing
that
for
auto
dealerships.
C
So
there
is
an
allowance
for
it
and
as
part
of
subaru's
building
they
they
did
show
an
area
for
a
mural.
They
did
not
show
exactly
what
that
mural
would
look
like,
and
so
we
had
a
lot
of
discussions
with
the
applicant
on
you
know
what
or
what
is
your
intent
with
that,
and
so
a
colleague
in
our
office
just
photoshopped
a
lifestyle
image.
C
I
think
they
like
to
call
it
of
of
what
could
hypothetically
be
incorporated
into
this
mural
area,
and
you
know
I've
owned,
I'm
now
on
my
third
subaru,
so
I'm
fairly
familiar
with
these
lifestyle
images,
but
you
know
they
have
a
certain
branding
image.
You
know
outdoorsy
or
you
know,
if
you
buy
a
subaru
you're
going
to
kayak
more
or
something,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
what
we
anticipate.
C
What
would
be
incorporated
into
that?
What
gets
more
complicated,
though,
is
when
you
have
a
car
or
a
tagline
or
some
sort
of
commercial
image
within
that
mural.
We
consider
that
to
be
signage,
and
so,
while
we
want
to
add
some
flexibility,
we
also
don't
want
it
to
look
like
a
billboard,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
I
just
grabbed
an
image
off
the
web
of
a
subaru
and
this
lifestyle
image.
C
C
C
C
Lastly,
there
are
also
incidental
and
directional
signs
on
sites.
You
know
the
small
signs
we
have
them
at
city
hall,
they're,
pretty
ubiquitous,
where
you
have
different
texts
directing
you
in
a
particular
way.
So
you
can.
You
can
find
your
way
throughout
a
site,
that's
pretty
important
in
a
auto
dealership,
especially
at
luther
subaru
acura.
Given
you
have
two
different
dealerships
on
the
same
site.
C
So
if
you
look
at
the
image
on
screen,
where
you
have
an
express
and
then
you
have
two
service
one
on
each
above
each
door,
they
would
only
allow
be
permitted
one
service
sign,
for
example,
and
so
that
that
could
potentially
be
a
little
confusing
for
folks.
So
what
we're
proposing
is
just
to
to
use
the
general
incidental
science
standard
elsewhere
in
city
code,
so
this
sort
of
scenario
would
be
permitted,
but
there
is
still
a
maximum
number
and
that's
an
it's.
An
acreage
based
two
incidental
signs
per
acre.
C
C
A
I
have
one
just
quick
question
and-
and
it
goes
back
to
that,
mural
that
you
just
head
up
mr
centenario,
so
the
sign
area
is
that
calculated
then,
as
in
that
particular
instance
right
with
the
subaru
on
it.
It's
it's
a
geometric
shape.
It's
not
a.
It
doesn't
follow
the
outline
of
whatever
might
be
identifiable
as
a
as
a
subject.
C
K
K
K
I
think
home
furniture
home
depot
that
those
kinds
of
things
it
didn't
seem
appropriate
or
fair,
that
just
because
of
the
type
of
business
we
would
have
a
fraction
of
the
signage
that
those
other
commercial
businesses
had,
particularly
since
we
had
been
rezoned
through
city
initiative
to
the
commercial
zoning
district.
So
we
appreciate
that
that
that
philosophy,
or
that
point
resonated
with
the
staff
and
the
and
the
amendments
that
are
being
proposed
by
staff,
track,
what
will
work
for
us
so
we're
supportive
of
the
staff
recommendation.
K
We
did
have
one
clarification
mike,
I
don't
know.
Did
you
get
the
email
today
about
the
some
of
the
you
know
mike
and
the
staff
have
pulled
up
some
of
the
subaru
lifestyle
images
and
we
agree
entirely
that
the
mural
should
not
be
used
to
convey
a
commercial
message,
we're
not
asking
that
that
there
be
well,
for
instance,
the
one
that
was
shown
with
the
car
in
it
and
the
logo
on
it
and
everything
else.
We
agree
that
should
be
signage.
K
So
we
didn't
think
those
conveyed
a
commercial
commercial
message
and
we
weren't
sure
if
they
were
covered
within
the
language
of
the
proposed
ordinance
that
says
images
of
a
motor
vehicle
aren't
allowed.
So
we
had
suggested
perhaps
something
along
the
lines
of
images
that
include
a
motor
vehicle
identifiable
as
a
specific
brand,
in
other
words,
for
instance,
the
photo
that
mike
showed
with
the
box
around
that's
identifiable
as
a
subaru.
Certainly,
that's
signage.
K
For
us
I
mean
it
would
give
us
a
wider
range
of
possibilities
to
work
with
subaru's
inventory
of
images
and
and
we
don't
think
it
would
be
contrary
or
adverse
to
the
intent
of
the
of
the
ordinance
with
respect
to
murals
is
as
long
as
it's
you
know,
there
might
be
a
part
of
a
car
there,
the
interior
of
a
car,
but
it
you
couldn't
tell
what
kind
of
car
it
is.
So
that
was
the
only
comment
requests
for
clarification
that
we
had
other
than
that.
D
The
only
thing
I
would
like
to
add
is
what
peter
has
already
stated
so
well.
We
are
just
extremely
grateful
that
staff
has
taken
this
and
pretty
much
brought
it
into
this
century
with
the
size
of
these
buildings
getting
much
larger
in
scale
and
allowing
the
signage
to
more
accurately
be
depicted
so
that
they
don't
look
like
they're
dwarfed
on
the
building.
We,
we
are
again
extremely
grateful,
and
we
also
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration.
Thank
you.
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Ordinances
is
on
our
work
plan
for
the
year,
so
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
revisit
this
through
that
as
well,
and
so
I
think
I
can.
I
can
support
this
application.
Knowing
that
we've
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
into
this
it,
it
seems
to
make
sense.
I
am
pleased
at
the
the
mural
discussion.
I
think
that's
a
good
opportunity
for
some
of
our
businesses,
our
auto
dealers
out
there
to
convey
other
messages
with
their
brand.
So,
commissioner,
goldsman.
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Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
would
agree
with
the
many
of
the
things
that
you
stated,
the
things
that
I
wrote
down
that
I
thought
were
really
good
considerations
from
city
staff
and
will
be
supporting
this
is
that
there's
a
per
building
allowance
versus
per
site
allowance
as
we're
using
these
sites
a
little
bit
differently.
Multiple
buildings.
I
like
that
they're
making
that
consideration,
as
well
as
having
the
signage,
be
a
percentage
of
the
building
size.
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So
I
really
think
that
six
percent
signage
on
a
building
it
caps
it,
but
it
also
makes
sure
that
it
is
in
proportion
with
this
with
the
size
of
the
building
and-
and
so
I
really
appreciate
that
change
to
the
code
as
well.
So
all
in
all,
I
think
it's
a
good
good
change.
More
consistent
and
it'll
be
easier
for
us
to
review
signages
for
throughout
the
city
for
for
these
auto
dealerships.
So
all
in
all,
thanks
staff
for
for
this
hard
work.
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Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
won't
repeat,
what's
already
been
said,
but
I'm
generally
in
favor
of
the
application
before
us.
I
think
all
of
this
seems
reasonable,
with
the
exception
of
one
thing
that
gives
me
a
bit
of
pause.
Is
the
ratio
of
the
cabinet
and
channel
signage
going
through
to
a
one-third
two-thirds
ratio,
the
existing
commercial
buildings
in
our
city
after
record
to
the
one-quarter
three-quarter
ratio?
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Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
this
is
a.
This
is
a
well
put
together
proposal.
I
think
you
know
what
we've
seen
in
a
few
things,
whether
it's
on
this
project
or
similar
projects,
where
you
know
it's
often
often
the
grumbling
is
that
the
government
process
has
get
in
the
way
of
business.
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We've
seen
staff
repeatedly
work
to
help
businesses
succeed
in
bloomberg,
and
so
I
recommend
them
for
that.
To
commissioner
and
comment
about
the
ratios
consistent,
I
think
that's
a
that's.
A
reasonable
observation
scenario
mentioned
that
it's
been
hard
to
meet
the
25
percent
in
recent
times,
so
perhaps
a
solution
is
to
adopt
this
two-thirds
one
one
through
two-thirds
here
and
then
bring
the
rest
of
the
city
code
into
alignment
through
miscellaneous
issues
update
later
in
the
year,
but
on
the
balance,
this
is
a
good
proposal
and
I
can
support
it.
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Cookton
hi
and
I
for
myself
motion
passes
august.
13Th
planning,
commission
synopsis
all
right.
The
next
planning
commission
synopsis
is
for
september
10th
2020
and
commissioner
goldsman.
You
were
absent
as
well
as
commissioner
corman
and
commissioner
abdi.
Although
so
at
this
point
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
commissioner
albrecht.
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Cook
done
hi
and
I
will
abstain
from
that.
Vote
is
not
being
in
attendance
and
the
september
24th
meeting
minutes
is
approved
and
that
I
would
like
to
make
one
note
before
I
we
terminate
the
meeting
tonight-
and
I
did
mention
in
our
first
agenda
item-
that
for
the
october
22nd
meeting
the
continuation
of
our
first
item,
that
that
was
looked
at
as
looking
for
an
answer.