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March 17, 2022 Bloomington Minnesota Planning Commission Meeting.
0:00:00 Start
0:03:24 ITEM 1 PL2022-31
Walser Real Estate LLC (owner)
(public hearing) 4401 American Boulevard West
Change in Condition in Case PL2021-42 to modify condition of approval #33 related to interim parking and storage of motor vehicles accessory to a class I motor vehicle sales facility
0:18:00 ITEM 2 PL2022-32
City of Bloomington
(public hearing) Proposed revisions to Chapter 21 of the City Code including: standards for motion activated lighting in non-residential structures; perimeter screening amendments; and location requirements of outdoor mechanical equipment
1:15:53 ITEM 3 PL2022-20
6:00 p.m. City of Bloomington
(public hearing) Consider Annual Miscellaneous Issues Ordinance
1:30:55 ITEM 4 City of Bloomington
(study item) Informational Item: I-494 Visual Manual and Context Sensitive Solutions Framework
1:53:42 ITEM 5 City of Bloomington
(study item) Informational Item: Louisiana Avenue Traffic Calming Project
2:16:50 ITEM 6 City of Bloomington
(study item) Planning Commission Policy and Issues Update
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
march
17
2022
bloomington
planning
commission
meeting,
the
planning
commission
advises
the
city
council
on
development
proposals,
development
standards,
long-range
planning
and
transportation
issues.
Some
of
the
items
the
planning
commission
has
final
decision
authority
and
others.
The
city
council
will
make
the
final
decision.
A
A
Pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
and
to
the
republic
for
which
it
stands,
one
nation,
under
god,
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all
all
right,
and
with
that
tonight
we
have
six
items
on
our
agenda
and
mr
marker
guard
do
we
have
any
call
in
we
do
we?
You
want
to
go
through
the
procedures
for
folks
at
home
that
are
watching
tonight
that
can
participate.
A
C
C
The
walls
are
toyota
site,
it's
located
just
to
the
west
of
france
avenue
along
494,
and
they
got
approval
for
multiple
actions,
including
a
reguiding
and
rezoning
of
the
old
sensors
restaurant
site,
as
well
as
final
development
plans
for
a
new
dealership
structure
with
offices.
It's
a
three-story
structure,
122
thousand
square
feet,
as
well
as
a
three-story
parking
ramp
on
the
east
side
of
the
site,
and
the
action
before
you
this
evening
pertains
to
the
conditions
of
approval
that
was
imposed
or
was
connected
to
those
final
development
plans
that
were
approved
for
this
project.
C
So
just
to
reorient
you
to
the
location
that
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
the
project
that
was
approved
over
the
summer.
I
have
the
site
plan
before
you
in
order
to
kind
of
refresh
everyone's
memory.
So
again,
the
parking
structure
in
the
east,
the
new
dealership
office,
building
in
the
center
portion
of
the
site,
the
existing
dealership
in
the
northwest,
a
big
part
of
our
discussion
for
those
final
development
plans,
dealt
with
the
phasing
of
the
project
as
well
as
performance
guarantees.
C
Before
you
on
the
site
plan,
I
added
labels
showing
the
phasing
of
the
project
the
the
parking
ramp,
the
three-story
ramp,
is
currently
under
construction.
It's
anticipated
that
that
will
be
complete
in
sometime
between
mid-april
and
early
may.
So
that's
under
construction
and
nearing
substantial
completion.
C
If
you
envision
the
amount
of
site
disruption
and
area
of
the
property
that
is
involved
in
building
the
the
new
dealership
and
office
building
there
in
the
central
portion
of
the
site,
the
thinking
there
is
that
they
can
relocate
all
of
the
motor
vehicle
inventory.
That
is
out,
that
is
on
site
into
the
the
parking
structure
once
it
is
completed.
C
Now,
if
you'll
recall,
as
part
of
our
review
of
the
project,
this
created
a
little
bit
of
a
a
conundrum
from
a
perspective
of
our
motor
vehicle
sales
performance
standards.
The
city
code
has
standards
that,
whenever
you
are
expanding
an
existing
motor
vehicle
sales
use,
you
have
to
add
a
commensurate
amount
of
building
area
to
meet
minimum
floor
area
ratio
requirements
commensurate
with
the
expansion
of
the
site.
So
that
was
a
big
part
of
that
review.
Hopefully,
that
is
somewhat
fresh
in
your
minds
how
it
pertains
to
what
we're
looking
at
here
tonight.
C
What
the
specifically,
what
we're
looking
at
tonight
has
to
do
with
the
performance
agreement
and
condition
that
staff
recommended
planning,
commission,
supported
and
council
ultimately
adopted,
and
what
it
had
to
do
with
was
when
the
three-story
parking
ramp
could
be
occupied
and
what
preconditions
had
to
be
met
for
walzer
to
move
forward
with
that
again.
Ensuring
that
the
part
that
the
motor
vehicle
sales
dealership
and
the
new
office
building
was
progressing
towards
construction
in
order
to
meet
our
city
code
requirements
and
warrant.
C
C
I'll
bring
up
the
specific
language,
but
before
I
do
just
kind
of
provide
a
broad
or
a
broad
idea
of
what
it's
about
is
that
walzer
wants
to
start
piling
and
building
foundations
in
the
for
the
motor
for
the
dealership
and
office
building,
and
they
can't
do
that
until
they
get
the
green
light
to
put
cars
in
the
ramp.
Otherwise
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
stay
operational
and
in
business
during
the
construction
process.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
real
simple
summary
of
what
the
driver
is
for
tonight's
request.
C
This
is
the
the
the
full
language
of
condition
33.
It
was
a
very
long,
long
condition
I
apologize
for
this.
Many
words
should
never
be
put
on
a
powerpoint
slide,
but
I've
I've
got
the
full
language
there.
I've
highlighted
kind
of
the
key
language
that
is
relevant
to
this
change
in
condition
request
and
that,
if
you
think
about
this
condition,
it
was
really
broken
into
two
segments
or
two
parts.
C
One
has
to
do
with
an
interim
use
of
the
parking
structure
a
two
year
period
and
then
the
final
second
half
of
the
condition
has
to
do
with
what
are
the
preconditions
for
permanent
use
of
the
sensor
site
for
the
motor
vehicle
sales
use
again.
This
is
all
intended
just
to
ensure
that
the
full
project
gets
constructed
as
it
was
approved
and
as
it
was
presented
by
walzer
toyota.
C
So
then,
we'll
move
on
to
kind
of
that
highlighted
language-
and
this
is
the
this-
is
the
specific
portion
of
condition
number
33
that
they're
requesting
to
change.
So
this
is
the
existing
language.
There's
two
preconditions
to
occupy
the
ramp
for
an
interim
period
of
two
years,
one
was
the
issuance
of
a
full
building
permit
and
the
second
factor
was
a
receipt
of
proof
of
deposit
on
major
structural
elements
for
the
dealership
office
building.
C
C
So
much
of
what
I'll
explain
as
far
as
what
the
rationale
is
for
this
request.
It
gets
a
little
bit
into
the
weeds
into
the
the
kind
of
granular
details
of
why
they're
making
this
request
in
terms
of
what
delays
they've
experienced.
But
what
it
really
has
to
do
with
is
delays
and
design,
and
the
reason
that
the
the
walls
or
toyota
that
the
the
dealership
and
office
building
design,
specifically
the
structural
design,
has
had
to
significantly
change
is
that
walser's,
architects
and
designers
have
had
trouble.
C
Locating
certain
materials
that
they're
initially
planning
to
use
to
serve
as
the
structural
element
for
the
building,
more
specifically
steel,
and
so
in
order
to
make
the
project
continue
to
move.
And
this
is
something
that
forgive
me.
This
is
something
that
has
been
kind
of
made
aware
or
that
staff
has
encountered
on
other
projects
as
well.
C
This
is
created
a
delay
for
them
in
completing
their
design.
They
anticipate
having
the
full
structural
design
done
in
june
of
this
year,
at
which
point
they
would
then
be
able
to
submit
the
full
building
permit
with
enough
lead
time
to
get
it
issued
likely
by
that
august
deadline
as
they're
requesting
but
another.
C
Another
thing
that's
happening
alongside
this
is
that
if
they
do
not
start
piling
in
foundation
work
in
mid
to
late
april,
then
they
are
going
to
lose
potentially
lose
a
full
year
of
their
construction
schedule,
which
of
course,
is
not
in
the
in
the
city's
interest.
The
city
wants
to
see
this
project
proceed.
C
According
to
the
schedule
outlined
in
the
performance
agreement
and
outlined
in
condition
33.,
so
what
this
is
really
about-
and
I
hope
I
haven't
gotten
too
far
into
the
weeds-
but
what
this
is
really
about
is
providing
a
little
bit
of
timing
relief
as
it
pertained
to
this
performance
condition
that
was
adopted
on
these
final
development
plans.
Basically,
it
buys
walzer
three
months
time
of
occupying
the
ramp
prior
to
the
issuance
of
the
full
building
permit.
C
It
does
require
them
to
get
a
footing
and
or
a
foundation
and
piling
permit,
which
of
course
is
an
expense,
and
that
work
is,
you
know,
an
investment
into
the
site
and
then
on
the
back
end
of
the
conditioned
language.
What
staff
is
pleased
with
is
that
they
are
setting
themselves
a
deadline
of
august
first
to
obtain
the
full
building
permit.
A
D
E
D
D
A
Okay,
all
right
any
questions
for
the
applicant,
mr
phillips,
thank
you
appreciate
it
and,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
just
signing
in
sure,
so
we
have
that
information
all
right
with
that.
Let's
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing
and
I
don't
imagine
anybody
else
in
the
chambers
would
like
to
speak
to
this
all
right
and
mr
mark.
Is
there
anybody
online
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this.
B
A
F
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
is
a
pretty
straightforward
item.
I
think.
Clearly
we
we
put
conditions
on
things
with
good
intent.
This
is
an
example
of
where
well-intended
conditions
have
created
a
process
step
that,
unfortunately,
we
need
to
go
through.
I
think
this
makes
sense.
Let's
keep
the
project
moving.
I
recently
drove
through
the
property
and
it's
difficult
as
it
is,
and
so
I
can
appreciate
that
they're
going
to
want
to
get
vehicles
into
the
structure,
so
I'm
supportive.
F
A
Right
we
have
a
motion,
and
a
second
in
front
of
us
commission
members
to
recommend
approval
of
a
change
in
condition
of
of
approval
of
condition,
number
33
in
case
pl,
2021-42
in
term
parking
and
storage
of
motor
vehicles
accessory
to
a
class
one
motor
vehicle
sales
facility
use
located
at
4401
american
boulevard
west.
Is
there
any
further
discussion,
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
all
right
motion
passes
all
right.
A
Moving
on
to
item
number,
two,
oh
sorry
again,
I
should
clarify
that
that
goes
to
the
city
council
on
march
28th
as
a
consent
agenda
item
all
right.
Thank
you
all
right.
Moving
on
to
item
number
two,
which
is
residential
living
ordinance,
amendment
livability,
ordinance
amendment,
and
I
believe,
mr
james,
you
have
the
staff
report
for
us.
I
I
I
So
a
little
bit
of
background,
you
know
with
any
you
know,
advance
in
technology
or
new
uses,
there's
need
for
a
periodic
review,
update
of
the
code,
and
so
the
standards
tonight
primarily
address
known
recurring
issues
where
businesses
are
near
residential.
So
on
the
map
there
you
know,
business
is
shown
in
grayer,
color
and
residential
in
orange.
I
I
So
the
first
standard
here
is
with
regard
to
motion
lighting
and
as
part
of
a
study
we
identified
that
you
know
glare.
Coming
from
overnight.
Lighting
of
interior
lights
through
through
windows
was
causing
a
nuisance,
specifically
at
self-storage
facilities,
and
so
conditions
of
approval
were
created.
I
However,
there
was
concern
that
you
know
similar
types
of
uses,
or
cases
like
this
could
come
up
in
the
future,
and
we'd
need
a
set
of
standards,
so
those
are
drafted
in
the
ordinance.
They
would
apply
to
non-residential
structures
that
are
near
those
residential
property
lines,
and
it
only
applies
to
new
development,
but
the
proposals
that,
if
interior
lights
are
left
on
at
night,
that
they
be
motion
activated
and
again,
it
would
only
apply
when
those
interior
lights
are
visible
to
neighboring
residential.
I
I
So
I
did
get
an
email
sent
from
commissioner
crypton
earlier
today
and
he
wanted
to
mention
he
had
concerns
about
unintended
consequences
of
this
standard.
Now
you
mentioned
that
certain
areas
of
the
cities,
such
as
central
station
park,
you'll,
have
more
of
a
character
to
be
lit
up
all
evening
now
that
lighting
and
windows
on
ground
floors
helps
to
create
more
walkable
areas
at
night.
I
So
he
was
concerned
that
this
standard
could
conflict
with
those
goals
in
some
neighborhoods
and
my
response
was
just
clarifying
again.
The
standard
only
applies
to
interior
lighting
into
new
development
and
then
there's
also
a
provision
that
allows
the
commission
or
console
to
grant
an
exception
and
allow
lighting
at
night.
So
there's
some
flexibility.
There.
I
I
Screening
is
required
of
businesses
when
they
are
near
residential.
What
we
don't
require
residential
to
screen
from
businesses,
so
this
creates
potential
for
code,
non-conforming
properties,
it's
intended
to
do
a
few
things.
Minimize
impacts,
improve
living
conditions
for
future
residents
and
also
not
to
penalize
existing
property
owners
for
new
development
and
neighboring
properties.
I
You
might
remember
that
site
was
rezoned
from
a
commercial
zoning
district
to
residential,
and
so
the
residential
building
was
approved
at
the
end
of
2019,
but
then
a
few
years
later,
dairy
queen
to
the
north
of
the
lindell
site.
Here
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
let's
see
if
I
can
so,
the
dairy
queen
site
is
unmet
here.
I
I
Meant
that
dairy
queen
had
to
provide
screening
along
the
property
line
here,
so
there's
a
privacy
fence
and
that
fence
wouldn't
have
been
required
if
the
residential
building
wasn't
there,
but
the
fence
is
necessary
and
useful.
It
there's
a
drive
through
there,
so
it
serves
as
a
buffer
from
that.
You
know
blocks
noise
and
headlights
and
it
also
prevents
pedestrians
from
crossing
through
the
drive-through.
I
I
I
And
if
the
applicant
wanted
a
different
location,
then
they
would
have
had
to
respond
to
the
questions
on
the
screen
here.
So
it's
a
little
bit.
It
introduces
alternatives.
Analysis
now
here
using
this
example.
The
result
may
not
have
been
different
with
the
proposed
standards,
but
it
the
standards
kind
of
build
in
a
process
to
give
the
city
discretion
then
to
allow
alternative
locations
of
equipment
based
on
responses
to
the
questions,
so
how
viable
are
the
other
locations?
What
are
the
impacts
relative
to
other
locations?
I
I
This
meeting
was
noticed,
item
notice
through
the
webpage,
e-subscribe
emails
and
some
current
and
then
now
within
the
ordinance
amendment
or
policy
update
staff
does
a
racial
equity
impact
assessment,
which
includes
demographics
analysis.
So
thinking
back
to
one
of
those
first
slides
now,
where
are
people
impacted
by
this?
I
You
know,
residents
living
near
businesses
are
disproportionately
non-white
and
housing
is
primarily
multi-family
housing
compared
to
other
areas
of
the
city.
Now
the
other
examples
shown
tonight
with
verizon
and
self
storage.
Those
concerns
were
primarily
with
regard
are
coming
from:
single-family
housing
scenarios,
business
manager
and
owner
demographics.
A
H
G
G
Lighting
must
be
extinguished
and
less
and
then
982
talks
about
motion
triggered
lighting
for
safety
and
security.
Is
there
somewhere
else
in
code
or
an
area
where
we
indicate,
because
I
know
one
of
the
things
we
did
with
the
facility
on
lindale
was
they
did
the
the
motion
type
of
thing,
but
it
doesn't
fully
extinguish.
G
So
is
there
something
in
this
standard
that
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
have
motion,
but
are
we
requiring
it
to
be
completely
extinguished
when
a
motion
sensor
is
used?
Is
there
a
allowance,
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
should
we
or
shouldn't
we
be
clarifying
in
this
that
we
don't
miss?
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
I
G
G
There
are
standards,
engineering
standards
that
how
these
noise
stages
are
conducted,
but
what
we
heard
from
the
public
and
when
I
think
those
of
us
in
the
room
who
live
in
minnesota
know
to
be
true,
which
would
be
everybody
is
that
winter
is
different
on
those
20
below
nights
30
below
whatever
it
is,
the
sound
is
different,
and
so
is
there
anything
either
in?
I
think
we
heard
from
the
engineering
people
that
there's
not
really
an
allowance
for
that.
I
J
A
I
think
it
and
I
may
seem
to
recall
that
right,
there's
standard
did
the
conversation
circle
around
impart
the
the
decibels
in
that
particular
instance
that
are
inside
and
outside.
I
think
that
was
and-
and
they
go
with
this
kind
of
you
know
in
the
summer
you're
outside
in
the
winter.
You
don't
often
have
your
windows
open,
but.
G
A
D
G
F
Thanks
chair,
my
question
is
really
around
the
lighting,
so
mr
james
has
any
thought
been
put
into
this
on.
You
know:
motion
sensing
lights
can
be
great,
but
thinking
about
lights,
being
turned
on
and
off,
and
on
and
off
can
somewhat
be
disruptive
even
more
than
the
light
being
on
all
night.
So
has
there
been
some
thought
around
like
timing
or
how
to
mitigate
some
of
that
on
and
off
over
the
night
as
people
pass
through.
I
I
Commissioner
goldsmith,
so
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
whether
we
need
to
specify
standards
for
motion
lighting.
We
kind
of
opted
to
leave
it
a
little
more
open-ended.
With
regards
to
how
long
you
know,
if
triggered
on
how
long
it
has
to
stay
on
or
has
to
be
turned
off
after
just
to
leave
it
a
little
bit
more
flexible,
you
know,
there's
I
think
that
the
application
of
this
standard
is
is
pretty
limited
and
for
uses
that
might
see
more
frequent
traffic.
I
Yeah
thanks
chair
commissioner
roman,
so
I
mean
that
is
a
good
point.
We
had
some
brief
discussions
around
that.
I
think
the
ordinance
before
you
kind
of
leaves
it
open
for
the
commission
council
to
decide
when
you
know
this
motion
lighting
standard
isn't
needed,
and
so
you
know
in
some
of
those
mixed
use
or
more
business
areas.
You
know
it
might
not
be
necessary,
but
you're
kind.
A
All
right
any
other
questions,
commissioners,
so
just
think
through
some
of
your
questions,
commissioner,
roman
and
but
they're
probably
better
left
for
discussion
on
this.
So
with
that,
I
don't
see
anybody
in
the
chambers
here
tonight
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
Is
there
anybody
online,
mr
marker
guard?
That
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
B
K
K
A
K
K
I
guess
you
would
say,
complaints
from
nearby
residents
now
I
know
you
might
say:
well,
it's
not
limited
to
the
things
we
suggested
there,
but
I
think
that
something
to
do
with
nearby
complaints
from
residents
should
be
included
as
a
prompt
for
a
noise
impact
statement,
or
at
least
for
the
city
official,
to
look
into
that.
So
that
would
that
would
be
a
suggestion
that
I
would
make
would
be
added
to
that
section
of
the
code.
Okay,
thank
you
is
that
is
that
understood.
K
K
K
Who
would
that
be
so
I'd
like
to
know
that
and
then
just
one
more
thing
here
or
just
a
couple
more
just
going
down
from
b
to
in
parentheses
the
letter
I
or
I
think
it
must
be
roman
numeral
one
or
something,
and
it
says
the
viability
of
code
complying
alternative
locations
for
the
outdoor
mechanical
equipment.
I
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
know
exactly
how
viability
will
be
defined.
K
What
what?
What
kind
of
viability
are
we
talking
about?
So
I
I
think
I'd
like
to
know
some
clarification
on
that
word
in
particular,
and
then
some
sometimes
one
last
thing
something
that
I
brought
up
to
the
city
council
back
almost
a
year
ago.
I
I
feel
strongly
that
a
data
center
should
be
defined
in
the
city
code.
K
It
is,
it
is
a
use
and
it
it
has
its
own
characteristics
and
I
think
it's
important
to
have
those
characteristics
outlined.
I
I
can't
say
this
with
complete
certainty,
but
it
is
my
feeling
that
these
data
centers
are
going
to
become
more
prevalent
more
more
around
and
in
a
city
like
bloomington,
which
is
really
built
up.
K
We
can
I
understand
that
we
can
it's
too
late
to
give
them
their
own
special
little
place
in
the
zoning.
You
know
as
far
as
their
location,
so
they're
going
to
be
put
in
different
places.
I
think
it's
important
that
they
have
a
clear
definition
of
what
they
are
and
what
they
do
in
the
city
code.
I
really
feel
strongly
about
that,
instead
of
them
being
lumped
under
something
else,
and
that's
it
for
now.
A
A
K
No,
I
I
certainly
am
glad
that
it's
beginning,
you
know
this
issue
of
the
noise.
That's
where
I
come
in
on
this
is
being
addressed.
It's
really
a
problem,
and
I
appreciate
my
famous
commissioner
roman
talking
about
the
difference
between
the
winter
and
the
summer
standards
you
know,
or
the
noise
levels
and
how
they
travel
in
the
different
seasons.
K
A
A
A
A
I
We
say
when
an
applicant
wants
to
put
equipment
elsewhere
and
they
have
to
show
you
know
the
alternatives
and
then
the
approving
body
decides
whether
or
not
those
alternative
locations
are.
You
know
whether
they
meet
our
requirements
here
or
not,
but
the
approving
body.
It
depends
on
the
type
of
application.
I
A
Right
all
right,
so
I
don't
know
commission
members
any
further
clarification
on
that.
Oh
okay,
mr
james,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
one,
it
was
really
I
think,
about
what
prompts
a
noise
study
and
a
question
about
that.
Ms
fletcher
brought
up-
and
I
think
is
viable-
is
about
complaints.
Complaints.
Can
they
trigger
a
noise
study.
I
I
So
it's
really
at
the
city's
discretion
too,
but
we
we
require
them
when
we
think
that
the
state
statute,
you
know
whether
those
noise
levels
might
be
no
go
over
the
statute
limit,
and
I
think
complaints
certainly
play
into
that
too.
When
we
hear
from
the
public
about
noise
concerns,
we're
more
likely
to
require
a
noise
impact
statement,
but
it
is
case-by-case
basis.
A
I
Yeah,
so
these
alternative
kind
of
variables
were
based
off
of
our
cell
towers
code,
and
so
you
know
with
those
standards,
there's
a
similar
process
of
allowing
alternative
locations,
and
so
we
modeled
that
language,
but
no
viability
of
code
complying
alternative
locations.
I
imagine
the
whoever's
preparing
this
noise
impact
statement
would
work
closely
with
the
project
planner
to
determine
you
know
one:
what's
code
complying
and
then
you
know
the
planner
can
help
them
to
figure
out
potential
locations
that
are
at
least
impactful.
I
I
Does
that
mean
utilities
will
still
connect
up
appropriately,
or
does
that
mean
like
the
entire
interior
of
the
building
would
need
to
be
flipped
and
that
might
be
more
of
a
barrier
for
alternative
locations?
Yes,
I
think
about
site
constraints
too.
You
know
circulation
if
we
put
it
in
a
different
location
or
is
there
still
a
way
for
fire
safety
vehicles
to
navigate
the
sites,
or
you
know
just
people
to
park
and
move
around
the
site
really
case
by
case,
but
I
think
those
are
a
few
examples.
A
I
I
I
I
did
survey
other
cities
and
a
few
I
define
and
have
standards
for
data
centers,
but
it's
not
common
and
those
that
do
you
know
they're,
really
tough,
to
define.
Frankly,
a
data
center
is
just
a
it's.
A
building
with
computers
and
network
servers
inside
which
you
know
more
and
more.
Every
type
of
office
and
business
has
a
data
center
to
some
extent.
I
If
it's
above
x
amount
of
square
feet,
then
it's
subject
to
standards,
but
we
felt
that
that
got
a
little
bit
arbitrary,
setting
an
exact
size,
and
we
thought
that
you
know
just
targeting
the
equipment
addresses
the
issue
more
thoroughly
and
in
that
way
too,
you
know
if
there's
future
uses
with
kind
of
extensive
equipment
like
this.
The
standard
would
still
apply
and
mitigate
noise
concerns
all
around.
A
H
If
this
would
have
been
in
place,
how
would
the
what
would
be
the
process
or
the
outcome,
because
I
know
that
there
was
an
issue
with
circulation
and
parking
regarding
moving
some
of
those
chillers
to
the
back
of
the
facility
would
would
a
noise
impact
statement
have
been
triggered
outside
of
the
planning
commission,
because
I
know
we
were
the.
We
were
the
ones
who
added
that
to
and
said
we
want
more
information
on
the
noise.
I
We'd
want
to
see
evaluated
here
in
this
process
with
the
applicant
kind
of
answering
the
questions
you
know,
these
are
the
other
sites
that
were
considered
for
this
equipment.
This
is
why
it
wouldn't
work,
because
you
know
xyz,
and
you
know
this
is
what
we're
doing
and
because
of
or
instead
you
know,
these
are
how
we're
mitigating
impact,
so
it
would
have
required
a
little
bit
more
thorough.
I
think
analysis
of
you
know
why
we
did
or
did
not
choose
an
alternative
location.
H
I
B
B
So
the
while
the
proposed
location
met,
state
statutes
and
cities
are
not
allowed
to
be
more
restrictive
than
state
statute
in
terms
of
noise
levels.
State
statutes
do
not
address
placement,
so
we
would
have
a
placement
standard
rather
than
a
noise
standard
kind
of
approaching
it
from
a
different
angle.
G
G
Yeah,
so
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
guess
the
the
only
one
item
I'm
a
little
bit
chewing
on
is
is
the
the
piece
that
commissioner
cooked
and
raised
through
mr
james,
about
about
businesses
on
the
ground
level
in
mixed-use
areas,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
question
to
have
and-
and
while
I
appreciate
the
answer
being,
that
we
have
the
flexibility
to
change
that
if
we
want
to.
I
also
don't
know
that
I
necessarily
want
to
have
our
default,
be
that
that
is
a
no
in
those
areas.
J
B
B
G
This
strictly
about
residential
or
is
mixed
use
fall
out
of
this
definition.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
otherwise,
I'm
supportive
of
all
the
things
that
are
in
here.
That's
and
again,
I
hadn't
thought
about
that,
and
so
I'm
glad
that
it
was
relayed
to
us,
because
I
think
that's
an
area
where
I
would
rather
not
have
it
be
that
every
time
it
has
to
be
an
exception.
G
A
All
right,
yep,
that's
those
were
good
points.
I
I
had
kind
of
wondered
something
similar,
but
you
know
it
was
maybe
more
about
the
question
you'd
asked
regarding
the
lights
on
lights
off
and
I
gotta
say
honestly,
I
mean
where
some
of
these
are
located.
The
the
sign
light
might
be
more
obtrusive
than
what's
going
on
inside,
but
that's
a
different
ordinance.
A
So,
but
I'm
still
wondering
about
I'm
thinking
about
like
a
new
location,
maybe
redeveloped,
and
they
are
next
to
residential,
it's
whatever
it
might
be,
and
they
want
security
lights
on
the
inside
of
their
business
at
night.
It
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
that
would
not
be
allowed.
Mr
marker
guard
to
have
security
lights
or
is
that
is
that
different
say
you
know
it's
a
low
level
lighting
inside.
B
A
Okay,
that
might
be
a
area
that
we
look
at
a
little
closer
on
down
the
line,
but
I
I
don't
know
what
the
application
of
that
is
compared
to
a
mixed
use,
location
versus
a
purely
unoccupied,
non-residential
space
or
structure
right,
I'm
thinking
in
in
my
head,
I'm
imagining
like
great
bear
center
and
there's
residential
just
to
the
south
of
it.
If
that
updated
and
the
business
wanted
to
make
sure
they
had
security
lights
on
inside,
they
would
have
to
be
motion
activated.
A
G
I'm
going
too
deep
into
this,
oh
and
as
we
attention
to
it,
it's
not
clear
that
motion
triggered
lighting
is
exclusively
on
off
versus
yeah.
You
know,
I
know,
and
I
speak
to
the
projects
we
do
at
the
university
with
our
parking
structures
and
our
pedestrian
tunnels
and
those
area
hallways
where
we
we've
installed
lighting.
That
is
maybe
at
20
until
it
detects
someone
walking
by
and
then
it
may
go
to
100,
and
so
is
there
room
for
something
like
that
which
achieves
both
energy
savings
and
reduces
impact
on
adjacent
uses.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
keeping
with
this
conversation,
thinking
about
the
the
picture
that
we
have
up
on
our
screens,
we're
really
only
talking
about
the
lights
in
the
windows.
The
lights
that
are
on
outside
or
on
the
building
would
still
be
illuminated
correct.
So
you
know
thinking
about
walkways
path
lights.
You
know
parking
lot,
lighting
that
still
would
be
standard
we're
just
talking
about.
What's
in
the
window
that
is
applicable
here,
so
maybe
does
that
may
be
structured
a
little
bit
differently
for
our
conversation
or
not,
I'm
not
sure,
but.
G
I
G
You,
mr
chair,
I'm
thinking,
but
not
about
that.
Mr
marker,
I
had
a
question
for
you
on
both
on
the
exterior
lighting
and
on
the
screening
proposed
language.
It
talks
about
that.
This
does
not
apply
to
uses
prior
to
x-date.
Is
there
something
in
a
use
or
a
project?
Let's
say
they
come
back
for
a
permit
of
some
type.
Is
there?
Is
this
a
blanket
exception,
or
is
it
like
other
things,
such
as
parking
lot
lighting?
B
Yeah
so
mr
chair
commissioner,
roman
kind
of
entering
non-conformity
law
right
and
that
section
of
the
code
has
some
triggers
in
terms
of
when
new
standards
are
triggered,
and
it
varies
according
to
the
type
of
non-conformity.
But
generally,
if
there's
an
addition,
that's
greater
than
25
percent
of
the
building
area.
Then
a
lot
of
psych
characteristic
non-conformity
issues
are
triggered,
so
they
would
trigger
with
certain
changes
to
the
structure.
Okay,.
B
A
I
Yeah
thanks
cheer
silver,
so
not
picking
from
the
noise
impact
statement
section
and
when
we
consider
requiring
them-
and
so
it's
in
cases
of
you
know,
changes
in
zoning
or
any
operation
process,
installation
or
alteration
considered
as
a
potential
noise
source.
So
you
know
if
there's
added
generators
or
added
air
handling
units
to
a
site,
then
we
might
require
a
noise
impact
statement.
But
does
that
answer
your
question?
Yep.
A
A
Are
we
comfortable
at
this
point?
I
would
say:
I've
generally
had
my
questions
answered
on
the
lighting
and
screening
noise.
You
know
again,
sometimes
we
come
into
these
and
we're
a
little
focused
and
it's
helpful
and
I
thank
staff
for
helping
us
understand
the
broader
impact
and
and
how
these
are.
These
will
be
addressed
through
the
process,
so
I
can
support
it
moving
forward.
Although
I
would
ask
we
do
take
a
little
bit
of
a
look,
maybe
in
the
future,
at
data
centers
data
centers.
A
H
H
We
were
kind
of
we're
a
little
bit
stuck
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
because
we
didn't
have
the
discretion
to
you
know
tell
the
applicant
or
help
the
applicant
see
maybe
a
different
location,
and
so
I
think,
having
the
ability
for
the
city
to
do
some
of
that
upfront
is
fantastic
and
working
with
the
applicant
before
it
gets
to
the
planning
commission
and
then
the
city
council
is
great.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
In
case
pl
2022-32.
I
move
to
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance
attached
to
the
staff
report
amending
chapter
22
of
the
city
code
to
establish
standards
for
motion
activated
lighting
in
non-residential
structures,
location
requirements
of
outdoor
mechanical
equipment
and
perimeter.
Screening
amendments
all
right.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Albrecht.
Is
there
a
second
commissioner,
roman
commissioner
gorman?
Second,
all
right,
we
have
a
motion,
and
a
second
in
front
of
us,
to
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance
attached
to
the
staff
report
amending
chapter
22
of
the
city
code
to
establish
standards
for
motion
activated
lighting
in
non-residential
structures,
location
requirements
of
outdoor
mechanical
equipment
and
perimeter.
Screening
amendments
any
further
discussion,
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
say
I
I
all
right
motion
passes
and
again
this
will
move
forward
to
city
council
on
april
11th
as
a
public
hearing
all
right.
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
tonight
is
the
miscellaneous
issues.
We,
if
you
remember,
we
had
previously
done
a
study
session
going
through
these.
So
it's
pretty
similar
presentation
tonight,
but
I'll
kind
of
go
quickly
through
them
for
the
sake
of
the
public
hearing,
and
I
took
some
of
your
the
feedback
from
this
study
session
and
incorporated
them
into
the
ordinance
updates.
E
So,
as
you
remember,
there
are
14
well,
there
were
15
ordinances
and
I'll
get
to
one
that
ended
up
being
removed
and
I'll
explain
why
when
we
get
there
but
there
for
usability's
sake,
we
kind
of
label
them
with
a
letter.
So
we
can
jump
around
if
we
need
to
jump
to
these
during
discussion
or,
if
there's
any
questions
at
the
end
regarding
these
but
I'll
run
through
them,
and
I
actually
will
be
going
backwards
because
they
start
kind
of
and
is
the
more
complex
and
it
gets
to
the
easier
version.
E
Item
m:
this
will
be
adding
sports
booking
definition,
understanding
that
this
might
be
something
that
the
state
will
be
allowing
in
the
near
future.
So
we
add
this
just
to
clarify
this
would
be
considered
indoor
recreation,
entertainment,
it's
pretty
similar
to
other
uses
like
movie
theaters
or
bowling
alleys
kind
of
similar
impacts
for
elle.
E
This
is
addressing
a
unique
situation
with
new
buildings,
new
multi-family
buildings
that
are
constructed.
They
have
a
kind
of
lease
up
period
that
we
will
be
giving
some
extra
lease-up
signage.
We
do
allow
some
signage
already
to
promote
the
buildings
for
leasing,
but
this
will
be
additional
signage.
On
top
of
that
understanding
that
those
first
two
years,
you
really
need
to
kind
of
promote,
heavily
and
kind
of
give
that
extra,
so
they
would
get
an
extra
100
square
feet
per
street
frontage
after
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
E
E
E
Item
j:
this
is
an
issue
with
private
stables.
We
think
at
some
point.
As
the
code
was
changed,
there
might
have
been
a
clerical
error
that
was
allowing
private
stables
to
go
up
to
6
000
square
feet.
We
believe
that
in
older
old
versions
there
was
600
square
feet,
so
we'll
just
be
correcting
that
and
600
square
feet
is
really
consistent
with
what
we
require
for
private
stables
having
a
maximum
of
four
horses
that
so
those
kind
of
fit
together.
E
Item
I,
as
you
remember,
this
one
was
tweaks
lightly
to
the
original
version.
This
would
be
film
coverings
on
windows.
The
original
version
specifically
called
out
signage,
but
really
the
intent
was
for
just
film
in
coverings
in
general,
because
we
do
have
these
standards
that,
at
the
eye
level
in
certain
zoning
districts
that
the
windows
be
open.
We
want
to
activate
the
street.
We
have
these
window
requirements,
but
if
you
cover
them,
it
kind
of
negates
the
point
of
having
the
window
to
activate
the
street.
E
So
it
really
was
just
intended
to
be
that
permanent,
covering
that
film,
covering
as
you
can
see
at
the
end
there
temporary
coverings
are
allowed.
You
know
for
light,
but
films
that
are
on
your
window,
like
this,
are
more
permanent
to
kind
of
negate
the
point
of
the
code,
so
we
will
be
incorporating
that
into
that
definition
or
that
requirement.
E
E
The
thought
was
more
just
one
drive-through
lane
per
building,
so
on
a
very
large
site
like
this,
you
might
actually
have
two
drive-throughs
on
one
side,
one
on
one
side
of
the
property
and
one
on
another
that
might
not
be
anywhere
near
each
other.
So
just
clarifying
that
it's
one
lane
per
building.
E
Then
item
g
would
be
an
exception
to
planning
requirements
for
small
building
additions
or
construction
of
new
buildings
discussing
with
staff
we
kind
of
settled
in
on
a
thousand
square
feet.
That's
a
pretty
modest
size
reconstruction.
It
would
there's
not
a
lot
of
situations
where
we
have
unplanted
properties,
but
in
those
situations
this
thousand
square
feet
of
construction.
E
We
we
figure,
we
can
approve
on
a
staff
on
an
administrative
level,
so
this
would
provide
that
exception
and
this
would
be
total
construction.
So
it's
not
floor
area
ratio
where
maybe
they're
demolishing
a
large
part
and
then
have
a
large
addition,
but
ends
up
being
the
same.
You
would
still
be
required
to
plan
at
that
point.
This
is
just
additional
square
footage,
whether
it
be
new
building
or
new
construction
or
an
additional
existing
building.
E
Currently,
the
language
in
the
circular
driveways
was
kind
of
nested
in
our
language
about
second
curve
cuts,
so
this
would
pull
it
out
and
created
its
own
subsection
five
here
it
kind
of
takes
the
same
language
where
we
talk
about
having
circular
driveways,
but
your
secondary
part
or
the
part.
That's
not
leading
to
a
garage
is
limited
to
12
feet
in
width.
This
is
to
kind
of
limit
that
pavement
and
parking
opportunity
in
the
front
of
the
house,
but
it's
consistent
with
the
existing
standard.
E
We
have
language
in
our
code
under
daycare
facilities
and
industrial
districts
that
says
permitted
as
accessory
and
we're
adding
or
conditional
use,
because
our
fd2
district
allows
the
daycare
facilities
as
a
conditional
use.
We
did
have
an
email
earlier
today
regarding
this
item,
but
it
was
not
actually
about
the
the
update.
It
was
more
about
our
daycare
facilities
and
how
we
handled
the
existing
standards
so
to
clarify
this
isn't
changing
any
of
our
daycare
standards.
E
E
Item
d,
so
in
several
parts
of
the
code
we
discuss
the
clearview
triangle.
This
is
the
area
15
feet
from
an
intersection
where
we
want
to
have
a
clear
view.
We
don't
want
an
obstructed
view
as
pedestrians
might
be
walking
or
cars
or
entering
that
intersection.
You
want
to
be
able
to
see
that
approach
from
the
other
direction,
so
we
limit
how
high
items
can
be
in
that
area
to
kind
of
prevent
or
to
keep
that
that
view
open.
E
E
And
then
item
c
there's
a
couple
different
updates
related
to
our
residential
facilities,
residential
care
facilities,
one
the
state
statute.
Reference
had
changed,
so
we're
updating
that
reference.
Two
we
reference
in
our
land
use
table
state
licensed
facilities.
Some
facilities
are
actually
just
registered
they're,
not
necessarily
licensed,
so
we
add
kind
of
clarifying
language
into
that
same
state
reviewed
and
then
the
third
is
spacing
requirements
we
that
we
have
in
our
code.
It
was
inconsistent
with
how
the
state
has
spacing
requirements.
E
Item
b
is
our
pet
services
definition,
which
included
sales
in
the
definition
I
kind
of
could
be
misconstrued,
as
just
general
retail
would
be
allowed
as
a
pet
service.
In
reality,
pet
service
facilities
would
be.
We
would
still
allow
sales,
but
they
would
have
to
be
in
coordination
with
a
veterinary
clinic
or
animal
hospital.
Where
you
see
it
more
of
accessory
use,
customarily
incidental.
E
A
A
A
All
right
and
not
seeing
anybody
in
the
chambers
at
this
time
that
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item.
Commission
members,
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
so
moved
all
right.
We
have
a
motion,
closed
public
hearing.
Is
there
a
second?
Second
all
right?
Commissioner
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye,
aye,
all
right
motion
passes
public
hearing
is
now
closed
as
quickly
as
is
opened
all
right.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
think
the
only
comment
that
I
had
is,
I
appreciated
staff
bringing
this
to
us
as
a
study
item.
It
gave
us
time
to
digest
the
content
and
really
understand
what
each
of
these
items
were.
So
it
made
it
quite
easy
for
me
to
understand
and
also
to
support
the
the
changes
in
front
of
us
today.
So
thanks
to
staff
for
for
your
help
on
that.
A
G
G
A
Right,
we
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us.
Is
there
a
second?
Second
all
right?
Commission
members,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
in
front
of
us
to
recommend
adoption
of
the
annual
miscellaneous
issues,
ordinance
items
a
through
n
as
attached
to
the
staff
report
to
amend
chapter
17,
19,
21
and
22
of
the
city
code.
Any
further
discussion
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye.
A
F
M
M
One
of
the
things
that
we're
very
focused
on
right
now
and
what
the
update
will
be
focused
on
tonight
is
visual
quality
manual
and
context
sensitive
solutions
framework,
which
is
that
second,
one
is
a
really
long
way
to
say
in
more
bloomington
speak
like
a
creative
place.
Making
guide
so
lisa
is
going
to
give
an
update
on
that
entire
process.
That's
underway
and
a
lot
of
decisions
have
been
made.
It's
been
a
really
interactive
and
heavily
public
engagement,
focused
process
and
we're
very
excited
with
the
way
it's
going.
N
A
N
N
N
So,
as
you
all
know,
this
is
part
of
the
large
airport
to
169
project
and,
as
you
can
see,
as
I'm
sure
you
remember,
this
is
divided
into
four
construction
projects
and
project.
One
is
the
is
the
project
that
will
be
constructed
in
2023,
it'll
be
go
out
for
bid
and
it'll
start
in
2023
and
it'll
go
out
for
bed
soon.
N
So
the
blue
is
what
will
be
constructed
here,
easy
pass
lanes
and
some
other
things
along
this
section,
the
new
interchange
at
35w
and
then
these
four
bridges,
three
of
them
are
reconstructed
and
a
brand
new
pedestrian
bridge
at
chicago
there.
So
I'm
sure
you've
heard
about
that
in
the
past.
But
just
as
a
reminder,
that's
the
the
projects
that
we're
talking
about
here
tonight,
just
a
little
overview
here
about
the
visual
quality
process.
We've
got
a
visual
quality
advisory
committee.
That's
been
meeting
monthly
and
even
a
little
more
often
recently.
N
This
has
about
45
people
on
it,
and
it
has
you
know,
staff
and
elected
and
appointed
officials
from
the
the
cities
in
the
county
along
the
corridor,
and
there
are
some
residents
that
are
also
sitting
on
the
committee.
So
we've,
given
you
know,
on
a
regular
basis.
We
get
good
input
from
from
this
group.
We've
also
gone
out
to
the
public
at
three
points
along
the
process
and
I'll
describe
a
little
bit
about
what
we've
engaged
the
public
on
in
each
of
these
stages.
N
The
other
piece
is:
we've
got
sch
on
board
with
their
landscape,
architects
to
develop
the
visual
quality
manual
and
they
have
a
subcontractor
forecast,
public
art,
which
I
believe
has
done
some
work
in
bloomington
as
well.
So
it's
nice
to
have
their
knowledge
on
the
team
and
then
the
deliverables
will
be
this
visual
quality
manual
and
the
context
sensitive
solutions
framework.
The
next
two
slides
go
into
a
little
more
detail
of
what
those
are.
The
visual
quality
manual
is
something
that
mndot
does.
You
know
for
projects
and-
and
it
defines
the
aesthetics
along
a
corridor.
N
N
So
those
are
the
two
deliverables
that
will
come
out
of
the
project
so
back
to
our
visual
quality
process.
Very
typically,
we
have
kind
of
three
phases.
You
know.
First
of
all,
we
asked
ask
people
in
the
community
what's
important
to
them.
So
before
we
start
talking
about
what
what
it
looks
like,
we
just
want
to
really
understand
and
know
the
community.
What's
the
history,
what's
the
culture?
What's
the
natural
environment
look
like
what
are
some
of
the
important
destinations,
so
we
did
public
engagement
around
that
in
phase
one
and
then
in
phase
two.
N
You
know
the
landscape.
Architects
get
to
take
what
those
words
mean
and
values
and
try
to
make
drawings
of
what
that
looks
like
so
taking
that
that
what
that
that
sense
of
what's
important
and
turn
it
into
visuals,
so
they
give
a
few
options
and
then
the
last
stage
is
to
pick
one
theme
and
apply
that
aesthetic
to
places
along
the
corridor.
So
that's
where
we're
at
right
now
so
again,
a
little
bit
more
about
that
engagement,
those
three
phases
at
all
three
times
we
did
in-person
pop-up
events.
N
We
did
emails
to
the
to
the
mndot
list
of
folks
that
have
signed
up
to
get
494
information,
and
then
you
know
the
partners
along
the
corridor
helped
push
that
out.
You
know
the
cities
and
you
know
the
494
corridor,
commission,
and
you
know
other
folks
that
were
helping
us
push
information
out
in
that
email.
We
pointed
people
to
the
website
and
the
online
survey.
N
We
also
had
facebook
ads
that
pushed
people
to
the
survey.
We
had
a
virtual
listening
session.
Unfortunately,
the
the
whole
process
has
been
during
this
more
cautious
time
of
covid.
So
all
the
public
meetings
were
sort
of
virtual
and
then
we
did
pass
out
a
lot
of
flyers,
especially
to
the
residents
right
along
there
and
sent
postcards
both
bloomington
and
richfield
sent
postcards
out
to
the
people
within
the
close
proximity
to
the
quarter,
so
lots
of
public
engagement.
N
There
were
thousands
of
responses,
I'm
really
pleased
with
the
results,
and
we
did
also
ask
some
basic
demographic
information
and
it
looked
like
we
were
getting
pretty
close
makeup
to
the
residents.
You
know
the
percentage
of
you
know,
age
brackets
and
different
cultural
backgrounds
and
some
of
those
basic
demographics,
so
good
outreach.
N
So
this
is
kind
of
the
fun
part
in
that
phase,
one
when
people
describe
their
community
forecast.
Public
art
turned
what
we
heard
into
a
word
cloud
and
if
you're
familiar
with
word
clouds,
the
larger
the
word
means
the
more
times
we
heard
it.
So
if,
if
when
we
ask
the
public,
how
would
you
describe
your
community?
You
know
parks
great
friendly
love.
You
know
nature.
Those
are
all
words
that
came
up
really
often.
N
N
So
from
that
those
landscape,
architects
drew
a
few
things
and
here's
here's
the
can.
I
have
the
four
narrowed
it
down
to
four
finalists,
there's
kind
of
a
wavy
pattern
at
the
top.
It
incorporates
a
little
bit
of
the
random
batten
pattern.
That's
in
this
corridor
existing
and
maybe
reflects
a
little
bit
of
waves
or
wind
or
other.
You
know
natural
organic
shapes
the
next
one
was
meant
to
was
inspired
by
like
sunsets
or
other
organic
shapes.
N
The
third
one
down
is
inspired
by
maps
of
lakes,
so
we
called
that
one
lake
beds
and
then
the
bottom
one
is
kind
of
a
something
that
they
called
reverb,
but
it's
again
sort
of
a
wavy
pattern
there
and
you
can
see
these
are
all
sort
of
organic
shapes
which
come
to
that
sort
of
natural
natural
environment
thing.
So
the
finalist
is
lake
beds
in
all
the
engagement,
whether
it
was
the
online
surveys
or
the
virtual
listening
sessions
or
the
in-person
pop-up
events.
N
You
know,
lake
beds
just
was
was
number
one
and
when
we
thought
about
some
of
the
criteria
we
had
said
or
the
visual
quality
advisory
committee
had
said
at
the
beginning,
is
they
really
wanted
it
to
reflect
something
unique
about
the
community
and
some
of
those
other
designs
might
have
looked
nice,
but
they
weren't.
You
know
they
couldn't
look
good
anywhere
in
the
country,
so
you
know
minnesota
being
the
land
of
10
000
lakes
and
the
lakes
that
are
in
the
rivers
that
are
in
this
area
really
helped
reflect
something
unique
to
minnesota.
N
So
this
is
the
some
drawings
of
what
it
might
look
like,
and
then
we
have
some
new
renderings.
So
if
any
of
you
have
followed
some
of
the
things
yeah,
we
haven't
shown
these
to
around
too
much.
So
you
can
start
to
see
more
of
a
3d
model,
rendering
of
what
that
might
look
like
in
the
corridor.
So
that's
a
retaining
wall,
and
then
you
can
see
a
little
bit
of
the
railing
up
there,
applying
it
to
some
of
the
lake
beds
pattern
to
some
areas
and
having
the
standard
picket
in
some
spots.
N
We
do
a
a
simple
texture
underneath
the
bridge,
here's
kind
of
a
span
of
the
bridge
with
a
couple
options
for
railings,
and
you
can
start
to
see
some
some
recommended
lighting
designs
on
that
bridge
as
well
and
yeah
a
little
bit
more
close
up
on
the
railing
and
the
lighting
there
as
well.
So
that's
how
it's
starting
to
look
in
the
corridor,
here's
kind
of
it
all
together
with
the
wing
wall
and
the
retaining
wall
and
the
the
railing.
N
N
So
so
that's
kind
of
the
lake
beds
pattern
and
now
I'll
move
on
to
talking
a
little
bit
about
noise
walls.
There's
a
few
potential
locations
for
noise
walls
in
the
quarter.
These
blue
markings
here
most
of
them
are
on
the
richfield
side
and
there's
one
over
on
the
bloomington
side.
And
you
know
these
are
again
potential
areas
for
noise
walls,
the
residents
that
are
adjacent
to
the
noise
walls
get
to
vote
on
that
and
that
voting
process
will
happen
a
little
bit
later
this
spring.
N
Oftentimes,
the
noise
wall
is
on
top
of
a
retaining
wall,
so
the
retaining
wall
will
have
the
lake
beds
pattern
and
it'll
be
a
texture,
a
simple
texture
on
the
top
and
then
on
the
on
the
community
side
that
says
options
but
we've,
I
think,
landed
on
this
random
ashler.
That's
been
the
preferred
one,
the
one
I'm
in
the
lower
right
corner.
That
will
be
the
pattern
that
is
on
the
community
side.
So
it'll
look
a
little
bit
like
a
stone
wall
in
places
where
there
is
dirt
in
front
of
it.
N
We
can
do
some
plantings
and
there's
been
a
desire
to
look
at
putting
some
vines
that
would
grow
up
the
walls
to
also
you
know,
give
it
some
interest
and
greening.
So
that's
what
the
noise
walls
would
look
like
on
the
community
side,
and
the
next
topic
here
is
locations
for
electric
vehicle
charging
stations.
We
we,
when
we
surveyed
folks,
we
asked
people
that
kind
of
what
general
area
they'd
like
to
see
them.
You
know
what
a
pretty
you
know
should
there
be
a
navy
charging
station
in
this
somewhere
in
this
area.
N
But
that's
another
piece
of
the
project
is
to
have
some
ev
charging
stations
so
moving
on
when
we
this
last
phase
of
public
engagement,
we
focused
on
these
four
bridge
areas,
so
the
nikola
portland
and
12th
avenue
bridges
that
are
being
rebuilt
and
the
new
chicago
ped
bridge.
We
wanted
to
understand
from
the
community
what
kind
of
aesthetics
and
possible
amenities
could
be
added
to
these
locations.
N
The
colored
chart
here
kind
of
shows
where
there's
railings
and
noise
walls
and
retaining
walls-
and
you
know
other
structures
that
could
have
the
aesthetics
on
and
and
landscaping.
I
should
say
that
so
this
was
kind
of
the
thing
that
people
got
to
choose
from.
You
know:
where
would
they
like
to
see
signage
and
wayfinding?
N
N
You
know
picnic
areas
or
then
also
street
furniture
benches
or
bike
racks
landscaping
was
another
thing
we
asked
and
then
public
art,
like
I
said
before
you
know,
like
landscaping
and
the
railings,
are
part
of
the
mndot
visual
quality
manual.
Some
of
these
other
things
might
be
things
that
would
go
in
the
context,
sensitive
solutions
framework
that
the
cities
or
your
partners
could
add
later.
N
You
know
nicola
avenue,
portland
12th
avenue.
You
know,
here's
where
that
three
rivers
bridge
goes
along.
You
know
people
mentioned
they'd
like
to
see
wayfinding
there,
so
they
knew
where
they
were
going
on
the
trail.
So
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
people
gave
us
feedback
on
and
that
will
get
reflected
in
that
css
framework
guide,
the
context,
sensitive
solutions,
framework
guide
and,
of
course,
the
city
staff
will
have
a
chance
to
review
that
and
make
sure
whatever's
in
there
is
appropriate.
N
So,
lastly,
we've
had
a
few
comments
and
questions
about
how
to
have
some
kind
of
a
city,
markers
or
city
identifications
and
a
couple
options
there
to
do.
An
emboss
on
the
bridge
or
a
monument
sign,
and
what
we've
been
hearing
from
the
public
is
the
monument
sign
is:
is
the
preferred
way
of
kind
of
branding
the
cities,
so
we
are
putting
in
information
about
how
to
add
those
again.
N
Those
are
things
that
the
communities
need
to
add
later,
but
we
will
show
locations
that
are
viable
for
where
monument
signs
could
go
in
along
the
corridor.
So
that's
that's
something
we've
heard
about
is
the
interest
for
welcoming
people
as
they
enter
the
cities,
both
eastbound
and
westbound.
I
know
that
was
a
lot
of
information.
I
can
certainly
go
back
to
any
slides
if
people
have
questions-
and
this
is
the
project
website.
If
you
want
any
more
information
on
the
project
overall
and
that's
the
that's
the
last
of
my
slides.
A
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
do
have
one
question
on
your
and
this
will
surprise
nobody
on
this
group
on
your
electric
vehicle
section.
What
type
of
infrastructure
are
you
proposing?
I
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
places
where
there
are
still
stations
being
installed
with
state
funds
that
are
only
at
50
kilowatts,
which
is
all,
but
not
it's
not
useless,
but
it's
not
really.
It's
not
really
what
we
should
be
putting
in
especially
in
corridors
like
this.
N
Sure
yeah,
I
would
unless
you're
charging
it
overnight,
it
should
probably
be
pretty
fast,
so
you
can
charge
up
and
wait,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
know
the
specs
yet
andrew
do
you
have
the
answer
to
that?
Otherwise
we
can
certainly
find
that
out.
I
that's
part
of
the
project
that
I'm
not
personally
involved
with.
G
G
50
kilowatts
is,
is
nice,
it
was
nice
five
years
ago,
it's
just
not
enough,
and
it
should
be
in
places
where,
whether
it's
richfield
or
dyno
bloomington,
where
we
have
things
for
people
to
do
while
they
are
there,
even
if
it's
only
for
a
15
or
20
minutes,
stop
you
know
putting
it
in
a
place
where
we
might
be
able
to
more
cheaply
get
land
is
not
helpful
for
the
user.
So
that's
that's.
My
only
feedback
on
that
is.
G
M
Mr
chair
and
commissioner
roman,
I
don't
have
much
more
to
add
other
than
I
know
that
the
classification
is
level
three
but
you're
right
with
the
the
range.
That's
a
really
good
comment
and
I
will
make
sure
to
get
our
report
back
on
on
what's
proposed
once
those
details
are
worked
out,
but
great
great
comment.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
have
one
quick
question
for
both
of
you
with
the
about
the
postcards
in
public
participation.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
see
it
all.
You
know
real
close,
but
were
you
able
to
distribute
those
for
homes
where
they
speak
languages
other
than
english?
And
how
much
participation
do
you
think
you
got
from
all
different
communities.
M
I
can
start
because
we
did
do
the
mailing
for
the
postcards,
but
I
don't
maybe
lisa
can
look
up
the
the
results
or
the
yeah
the
statistics
on
the
responses.
So
we
did.
Our
the
mailing
area
was
from
494
down
to
84th
street
along
the
entire
length
of
the
full
study
area,
so
169
all
the
way
to
the
airport
or
to
highway.
77
excuse
me,
and
we
did
not
use
multilingual
messaging
on
that
postcard.
M
N
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
not
specifically
on
what
we're
talking
about
tonight,
but
related
to
this.
It
would
be
great
if,
sometime
this
spring,
we
could
hear
an
update
on
some
of
what
we're
doing
to
improve
the
pen
82nd
corridor,
which
I
know
is
part
of
this
first
phase
of
the
project
we'll
see
some
improvements,
but
also
with
increased
traffic.
G
A
J
Yeah
we're
looking
at
the
trap,
though
this
is
part
of
the
local
traffic
calming
program,
tragic
management
programs.
Excuse
me
this
is
a
resident
driven
program
that
any
local
residential
roadway
within
the
city
of
bloomington
qualifies
for
it's
an
application
process.
We
usually
take
two
of
these.
We
look
at
two
of
these
a
year
and
part
of
the
process.
J
Eventually,
the
residents
agree
to
be
assessed
for
the
improvement.
The
city
council
does
have
the
final
approval
for
this
in
the
16
years.
I've
been
here,
and
I've
been
the
shepherd
for
this
program,
the
entire
16
years.
This
is
the
first
one.
We've
gone
to
this
point
got
to
the
point
of
the
whole
process
and
the
residents
have
agreed
to
move
forward
with
this.
So
I'm
happy
to
bring
this
forward
tonight.
J
J
J
J
J
As
we
work
through
the
process,
we,
the
first
thing
we
tried-
was
a
device
trial,
speed
tables.
This
is
the
desired
solution
from
the
neighborhood.
It
was
on
their
application
and
we
take
a
look
at
their
their
application.
How
many
they
want,
then
we
have
to
look
at
the
design
specs
of
their
actual
road.
How
many
we
can
put
on
the
road
the
spacing
we
have
to
look
at
even
for
the
temporary
some
of
the
storm
water
implications,
driveway
implications,
so
they
originally
wanted.
Four.
J
We
really
can
only
put
about
four
a
three
on
that
section
roadway,
so
we
did
the
we
put
in.
If
you
see
the
little
pictures
we
city
staff,
we
put
in
some
three
rubber
speed
tables
along
in
the
first
week
of
june,
and
kept
him
in
place
for
about
six
weeks.
During
that
time
we
did
some
data
gathering
in
the
bottom.
You
can
see
the
existing
data
before
any
of
the
things
were
done
was
about
600
cars
a
day
and
the
speed
limit
was
about
30
miles
an
hour
average
during
the
trial.
J
J
Following
the
first
trial,
we
had
a
public
open
house
at
the
hampshire
park,
hampshire
hills
park
for
the
whole
neighborhood
we
had
most
of
the
actual
benefiting
property,
show
up
and
talk
about
how
they
liked
it
how
it
worked.
While
at
the
open
house,
the
idea
of
a
second
trial
came
up,
and
this
between
city
staff
and
the
residents.
J
This
one
keeps
the
solution
to
one
location,
but
doesn't
impact
the
driveways
as
much
no
parking
loss
next
to
the
residents,
there's
no
one
that
really
lives
next
to
this
solution.
So
we
did.
We
also
did
gather
data
while
this
one
we
put.
If
you
see
the
pictures
there
we
put
in
some
temporary
curbings
and
we
did
some
turn
restrictions.
So
you
couldn't
turn
north
onto
a
louisiana
phone
will
shock
me.
J
The
existing
desk
stayed
the
same,
but
the
vehicle
data,
the
adt's
we
lost
about
66
percent,
almost
70
of
the
cars
reduction
and
the
speed
limit.
Actually,
the
average
speed
dropped
25
miles
an
hour
talking
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighborhood
representative
that
was
kind
of
the
point
person
for
the
residents.
They
were
most
impressed
with
this
one.
It
didn't
have
it
didn't
impact
them
as
much,
but
it
seemed
to
really
reduce
the
traffic
in
their
neighborhood.
J
J
The
first
question
is
probably
the
most
important
or
we
looked
at
how
the
entire
neighborhood
looks
at
it
and
that's
the
do
you
think
there
was
a
safety
concern
in
louisiana,
so
the
entire
neighborhood
looked
at
it
as
about
50
57,
not
just
the
neighborhoods
neighbors
along
louisiana,
but
one
the
further
out
and
the
fourth
question
is
important
to
us.
What
would
you
like
to
install
permanently-
and
we
looked
at
the
speed
tables
at
20
percent-
the
median's
at
37?
J
So
we
didn't
really
get
a
50
percent
over,
but
we
look
we
kind
of
combined
those
two
likes.
The
neighborhood
wanted
something
done
so
out
of
those
two,
that's
the
way
we
looked
at
moving
forward.
Okay,
we
can
go
with
the
median
turn
restrictions
and
eighty
percent
of
the
risk
of
benefiting
properties
along
the
louisiana
picked
the
median
solution
they
like
the
best.
J
And
part
of
the
program
is
for
the
program
to
move
forward.
We
need
to
have
67
percent
of
the
residents
in
the
benefiting
properties,
agree
to
be
assessed
so
they're
going
to
pay
for
part
of
the
median.
Now
the
median
cost
is
fixed
at
just
a
per
device
and
we
sent
out
the
petition
waiver
to
the
14
benefiting
we
got
10
back,
so
we
return
rate
of
71
automatically
pushing
the
program
forward.
So
this
is
the
first
time
we've
been
to
this
point.
A
A
Can
you
explain
how
or
at
what
time
period
a
neighborhood
would
apply
for
this
program?
I
know
we've
referenced
it
in
the
past
when
neighborhoods
have
said
well,
the
traffic
is
terrible
on
our
street,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
gets
out
in
the
open
again,
because
this
is
an
important
piece.
Yeah
chairman
salberg.
J
We
typically
have
a
february
deadline
for
new
projects
because
we
want
to
get
the
ball
rolling
before
the
summer
construction
season,
so
I
can
get
data
and
any
time
to
put
temporary
trial
devices
done
during
that
summer.
So
we
typically
they'll
put
a
deadline
for
like
early
february
for
new
applications,
but
we
take
applications
all
year
long
and
doesn't
mean
we
couldn't
take
an
application
now
and
work
some
data
and
stuff.
Yet
in
the
fall.
F
Thanks,
mr
chair,
I
have
two
questions.
I'll
start
with
the
first
one
here
so
for
a
project
like
this,
what
is
the
the
cost
that
is
being
incurred
and
the
kind
of
follow-up
is
you
talked
about
it
being
assessed?
So
what
is
the
total
dollar
amount
that
each
property
would
be
assessed
roughly
in
a
project
like
this
yeah?
Commissioner,.
F
F
This
is
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
a
mitigation
strategy
to
calm
traffic,
outside
of
something
that
we
mostly
can't
control,
which
is
the
speed
limit
on
a
on
a
street.
Okay,
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
it's
it's
reducing
the
speed
by
other
means,
then
changing
the
physical
speed
limit
of
the
of
the
street
itself
correct
great.
Thank
you.
G
So
other
than
this
resident
initiated
approach
are
there
other
ways
that
residents
can
raise
concerns
that
the
there
are
other
situations
where
residents
raise
concerns,
because
I'm
trying
to
help
the
public
understand
that,
and
maybe
myself
a
little
bit
too
is
is,
is
the
only
way
you
get
a
problem
addresses
if
you're
willing
to
pay
for
it
or
are
there
other
ways
that
the
city
does
assessments
based
on
things
that
they
hear
that
they
may
say.
This
is
a
big
enough
thing
that
we
should
deal
with
it.
J
Oh
yeah,
we
do
have
some
staff
initiated
projects.
We
do
like
a
a
pmp
look
ahead,
we're
traffic
engineering.
We
try
to
be
two
years
ahead
of
the
pmp
process,
so
even
this
summer
we're
doing
some
2023
look-aheads
we're
doing
seven
neighborhood
meetings
for
the
pmp
projects
for
next
year.
So
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
of.
If
there's
any
staff
initiated
projects,
we
could
add
on
to
the
pmp
that
wouldn't
be
costing
the
actual
residents.
J
G
J
Yeah,
it's
kind
of
a
case-by-case
basis.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
staff
initiated.
We
also
do
a
lot
of
education,
whereas
I
will
people
call
and
they
have
a
perceived
problem.
I
go
out
with
a
laser
gun
or
like,
and
we
do
some
education
mitigation
that
kind
of
puts
out
ahead
of
it.
So
we
can
say:
is
this
a
real
problem,
or
is
it
not?
It
helps
us
understand
if
it's
a
real
problem
and.
G
J
Of
my
job
is
the
the
other
side
of
it
is
just
the
one-on-ones
talking
to
people
education.
Sometimes
it
leads
to
in
engineering
a
lot
of
times.
It
leads
to
enforcement,
sure
we
get.
We
involve
the
pd
and
some
other.
Sometimes
it's
not
necessarily
a
systemic
problem.
It's
a
neighbor
problem.
It's
and
the
pd
gets
involved
in
not
necessarily
one-on-one,
but
does
some
enforcement.
G
Yeah
great
and
no
concerns
about
the
specific
project,
but
it
was
interesting
in
the
survey
data
you
said
the
survey
data
was
broader
than
just
that
affected
stretch,
correct
yep,
the
entire
neighborhood,
because
it
was
interesting
that
the
priority
was
speed
reduction,
but
the
preferred
option
was
traffic
reduction.
It.
J
L
L
J
M
J
A
I
think
commissioner
roman
probably
knows
where
I'm
going
to
go
with
this.
I'm
not
the
biggest
fan
of
all
the
pavement
in
the
world,
but
when
we
go
to
re,
when
we
have
areas
that
have
reconstruction
do
does
part
of
that
neighborhood.
Would
that
come
into
play
if
they
think
it's
coming
too
fast
to
be
able
to
narrow
up
streets?
That
sort
of
thing
is
that
something
where
staff
would
think
about
or
address,
or
is
that
something
like
in
a
demonstration
project
where
you
might
put
bollards
out
flexible
bollards,
where
you
could
narrow
streets?
A
Has
that
ever
been
something
you
guys
have
thought
about
or
there's
probably
other
issues?
I
know
that
you
have
to
consider,
but
just
curious
how
one
like
the
the
neighborhood
might
know
what
the
solutions
are.
Most
people
don't
really
know
to
your
point
of
education
with
them,
and
then
what
really
the
city
is
willing
to
entertain?
Yeah.
J
Chairman
solberg
on
the
narrowing
roadways
in
my
program-
I
don't
really
have
the
budget
for
that,
but
it's
kind
of
we
add
that
into
the
pmp
and
look
at
stuff
like
that
we
do
do.
We
do
have
some
demonstration
projects
where
we
do
some
like
curve,
bump
outs
and
some
other
type
of
devices.
Julie
long
may
have
something
to
say
about
this
sure
sure,
I'm
sure
she
does.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
solberg.
The
city
doesn't
have
a
program
to
narrow
roads
that
have
existing
curb
and
gutter
out
there,
but
if
you
do
not
have
curb
and
gutter
now,
while
the
city
standard
is
32
feet,
if
we
get
resident
feedback,
while
we're
going
through
the
pavement
management
program,
that
oh
that's
way
too
wide,
we
want
something
narrower.
We
do
have
options
to
go
down
to
28
or
24
feet
and
we've
worked
through
those
options
with
the
neighborhoods,
but
if
they
have
existing
curb
and
gutter.
A
J
Yeah,
mr
solberg,
not
currently
we
don't
have
a
program
set
up
for
that
for
pedestrians.
We
try
to
with
all
these
other
programs.
We
try
to
add
those
in,
for
example,
with
the
design
for
the
median
on
louisiana.
Part
of
the
median
is
going
to
be
a
pedestrian
refuge.
There's
a
there's.
A
pedestrian
crossing
across
louisiana
on
old
shock
b.
Part
of
that
median
is
going
to
be
a
pedestrian
refuge.
So
we
kind
of
add
those
in
when
we
can.
A
If
I
think
you
know
it's
it,
it's
not
safe
for
my
family
to
cross
a
particular
street.
How
would
we
move
something
forward
without
maybe
a
permanent
fix?
Clearly
hennepin
county
did
one
on
old
shakopee.
I
think
there
with
the
bollards
and
then
re-striping
just
east
of
france
avenue
they
had
changed
that
over
after
I
believe
a
fatality
three
four
years
ago,
or
something
so
just
trying
to
think
how
that
kind
of
starts
to
play
into
the
program
as
well.
So
I
don't
know,
commissioner
roman.
G
You
know
to
your
point
about
the
ideas
of
and
again
this
is
something
that
I've
spoken
about
and
I
think
others
have
too
is
you
know
taking
a
serious
look
at
our
standards.
You
know
and
the
32
foot
road
is,
you
know,
is
that
still
the
standard,
or
should
we
be
going
to
24
and
using
that
extra
eight
feet
to
put
a
sidewalk
on
one
side
and
every
road
we
reconstruct?
A
Thank
you,
mr
jarvis,
for
listening
to
us
on
our
podium
here
tonight
and
we
appreciate
the
presentation
and
I
think,
yeah.
May
I
speak
for
everybody
and
say
I
think
we
like
the
improvements
you
guys
have
have
gone
through
and
congratulations
on
the
first
one,
making
it
in
16
years
keep
up
the
good
work
all
right.
Moving
on
to
item
number,
six
planning,
commission
policy
and
issue
update
mr
marker
guard.
B
B
So
if
you
want
to
save
the
date,
we'll
be
sending
out
email
and
mail
and
invitations
to
that,
but
the
staff
in
charge
of
that
is
going
to
try
something
new.
This
year
they
haven't
had
the
best
attendance
in
the
past
and
they've
heard
from
a
lot
of
commissions
that
commissioners
want
to
get
together
and
meet
other
commissions
and
just
have
a
chance
to
talk
and
and
mingle
and
share
stories.