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October 20, 2022 Town Hall Forum with Councilmember Lona Dallessandro
District III
A
Well,
let's
get
started,
then
I
appreciate
you
all
being
here.
As
you
know,
I'm
Lona,
D'alessandro
I'm,
the
district
three
city
council
member
I'm,
joined
here
tonight
by
Chief
seal
who's.
Going
to
be
my
the
the
purveyor
of
questions
for
us
tonight
as
we
get
started
appreciate
his
attendance
appreciate
all
the
staff
members
who
are
here
who
are
helping
us
do
these
things
it
is
being
recorded.
So
I
will
do
my
very
best
to
avoid
any
explicatives.
A
Hopefully
Ben
you
can
bleep
them
out
if
I
need
you
to,
but
I'm
I'm
generally
a
pretty
loose
kind
of
conversational
type
person
and
if
you
feel
the
need
to
to
ask
a
follow-up
question
or
anything
like
that,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
those.
So
don't
don't
worry
about
that?
A
Okay,
so
what
we're
going
to
go
through
today,
oh
and
by
the
way
in
case
you
didn't
know,
I'm
a
first-term
council
member
I
was
just
elected
in
January
or
elected
in
November,
seated
in
January.
So
this
is
my
first
term
in
office.
I'd
never
run
for
office
before
I'm,
not
a
career
politician
of
any
kind
in
my
full-time
job.
I
am
a
product
manager
for
a
legal
startup
that
works
on
technology
that
helps
people
find
pro
bono
lawyers
to
help
them
with
pro
bono
cases.
A
We're
going
to
talk
about
what's
going
on
in
terms
of
development
here
in
District,
three
there's
a
number
of
different
items,
some
of
which
you
may
know
about,
and
some
of
which
you
may
have
questions
about
so
we'll
go
through
those
talk
load
about
the
intersection
at
98th
and
Normandale.
Since
that
might
be
on
your
mind,
considering
how
much
activity
there
is
right.
Now,
one
of
my
favorite
topics
are
parks.
A
Master
plan
there's
some
significant
stuff
happening
in
District,
3
related
to
that
that
I
want
to
make
sure
you
know
about
including
the
things
like
Penn
Lake
restoration,
the
Gerard
parking
lot
Etc
and
the
Normandale
Lake
park
facility
stuff
that
we've
got
going
on
and
then
finally
a
little
bit
on
the
budget.
I'm
sure
you
have
questions
about
that.
I
know
as
a
taxpayer
here
in
Bloomington.
I
have
questions
about
that.
So
we'll
talk
about
that
and
then
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
Expo
as
well.
A
Hopefully
I
get
that
done
in
20
minutes
or
so
because
the
vast
majority
of
our
time
together
should
be
me
answering
your
questions.
Okay,
by
the
way,
if
you
still
have
questions
or
something
prompts
a
question
and
you're,
not
don't
don't
hesitate
to
get
up
and
grab
another
card
and
throw
it
in
the
bucket
here
you
know
feel
free
to
move
around
I,
don't
have
any
problem
with
you,
I
mean.
Maybe
seal
does,
but
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
it.
A
Are
you,
okay,
with
it
Uli
all
right,
Perfect,
all
right,
let's
get
going,
then
all
right,
so
our
strategic
plan.
Essentially,
we
want
you
to
understand
the
mission
that
we've
all
come
up
with
and
the
cool
thing
about
this
project.
This
program
that
was
defined
over
the
summer
time
was
that
it
came
from
Mostly
residents
right,
so
there
were
groups
of
people
over
the
course
of
a
number
of
different
areas:
residents,
business
owners,
City
staff
right
some
of
the
council.
A
Members
like
myself,
took
part
in
a
number
of
them
and
and
the
goal
there
was
essentially
to
say
what
do
we
as
a
community
want
to
set
as
our
objectives
for
how
we
make
decisions
as
a
community.
Our
strategic
plan
came
up
with
our
mission
statement,
which
you
probably
see
now
on
everything
right
to
cultivate
an
a
an
enduring
and
remarkable
Community
where
people
want
to
be
and
those
those
those
terms
were
chosen
on
purpose
right.
The
idea
that
enduring
remarkable
where
people
want
to
be
those
are
those
are
specific
right.
A
We
know
that
cultivating
means
that
it
takes
all
of
us
to
work
together
on
it
enduring
means
that
it's
going
to
last
right
that
it's
not
something
that
we
just
do
for
tomorrow,
but
we
do
it
with
an
eye
on
what
10,
20
50
years
looks
like
and
where
people
want
to
be
is
is
an
homage
not
just
to
living
here,
but
also,
maybe
working
here
or
traveling
here
or
visiting
here.
You
know,
and
so
we
try
to
keep
all
of
those
things
in
mind.
A
A
As
a
city
council
we're
going
to
focus
on
as
part
of
that
so
more
to
come
on
that
over
the
course
of
of
how
we
move
through
the
balance
of
the
year
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
start
in
2023
with
an
eye
on
this
stuff,
as
we
set
kind
of
our
our
work
plans
for
each
of
the
Departments
within
the
city
as
well.
A
All
right,
all
right
here
we
go
with
a
bunch
of
stuff,
that's
happening
in
the
district.
I'm
super
excited
about
this.
These
are
the
district
departments.
You
may
know
where
they
are
they're
down
on
80th
and
a
Half
street
right
near
the
orange
line.
They
are
open
now,
there's
248
rental
units
in
there
four
stories,
as
you
can
see
by
the
the
relief
here
underground
parking,
we
did
do
tax
increment
financing
support
for
this
as
part
of
the
overall
build
out
of
that
area.
A
Since
the
Orange
Line,
the
express
line
was
going
to
go
in
there
as
well,
and
we
did
Leverage
some
of
the
affordable
housing
ordinance
actions
to
try
to
get
affordable
units
in
there
and
before
I,
go
further
when
I
say
affordable.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
people
are
in
need
of
assistance
because
they
have
no
money
right.
What
we're
talking
about
today
is
in
today's
money
is,
you
know,
an
average
family
of
four
average
median
income
is
a
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
dollars.
A
So
when
I
tell
you
that
that
the
these
apartments
are
at
50
of
them,
or
so
are
at
50
Ami.
What
we're
basically
saying
is
that
somebody,
a
family
that
makes
about
62
to
63
000
a
year
as
a
family
can
afford
to
live
there,
so
I
just
I
want
to
ground
you
in
that
statistic.
I
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
think
affordable
means.
You
know
Section
8
or
whatever,
and
that's
not
the
case
in
in
many
of
these
scenarios.
A
So
if
you
do
have
any
additional
questions
about
that
or
you
want
to
do
some
math
we
can
we
can
do
that
too.
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
are
here
from
Friendship
Village.
But
if
you
are
fantastic,
I
had
the
pleasure
of
visiting
there,
it's
a
very
cool
part
of
the
world.
They've
done
a
really
nice
job.
You
know
it's
open
now,
of
course,
and
there's
I
think
we
did
93
units
in
these
independent
ones.
There
wasn't
any
financial
assistance.
A
These
are
market
rate,
but
you
know
a
great
development
to
to
support
our
seniors
being
able
to
stay
in
the
Bloomington
area
as
they
age
in
our
community.
A
Next
we
have
the
Amira
senior
apartments.
Another
example.
This
is
over
on
5601
American
Boulevard.
If
you're
familiar
with
that,
it's
on
the
west
side
and
they
are
133
rental
units,
there
I
think
this
is
right
across
from
am
I
right.
This
is
right
across
from
Normandale
right
in
that
area,
yeah
again,
no,
no
city,
financial
assistance.
This
is
an
example
of
us,
taking
an
old
commercial
building
and
and
using
that
land
space
to
convert
it
to
units
where
people
can
stay
in
the
community.
A
I
believe
bless
you
near
I,
I
do
have
cats.
So
if
it's
my
fault,
I
apologize.
This
is
the
Assisted
Living
framework.
That's
next
to
that
former
senior
living
thing
I
just
showed
you.
This
is
118
assisted
units.
You
know
these
are
the
the
kinds
of
projections
when
you,
when
you
see
these
kinds
of
of
developments,
you're
looking
at
people
who
are
maybe
independent
living
for
a
while,
and
then
they
move
into
assisted
living.
A
So
they
can
just
go
across
the
street
here
and
everything
like
that
again,
former
office
building
site,
no,
no
assistance
from
the
the
city
to
build
these
These
are
market
rate
units.
A
Okay,
I
should
probably
have
told
you
guys
to
make
this
one
last,
because
we're
probably
gonna
have
some
conversations
on
this
one,
but
this
is
a
this.
Is
the
really
you
probably
know
this
as
the
Penn
Lake
City
Homes
86
and
Penn
you're,
probably
wondering
what
was
going
to
go
on
there
anyway.
So
I'll
give
you
a
backdrop
here.
This
is
currently
the
plan.
A
As
you
all
know,
over
the
summer
time
the
city
was
sued
by
the
developer
of
this
of
this
air
plot
of
land,
because
they
didn't
believe
that
we
had
the
right
to
deny
them
their
right
to
build
this
particular
plan.
Unfortunately,
the
city
lost,
and
so
now
the
Builder
does
have
the
right
to
build
this
plan
on
that
site.
A
I
say,
unfortunately,
because
you
know
I
wasn't
on
Council
when
it
was
passed,
but
you
know
it's:
it's
been
a
cause
of
of
commotion
in
the
and
and
rightfully
so
in
our
community
for
a
while,
so
right
now
they're
kind
of
on
the
clock,
so
no
building
permits
have
been
pulled.
Yet
the
building
plan
that
was
approved
through
the
court
process
is
is
got
a
two-year
statute
of
limitations
on
it.
A
So
if
they
choose
not
to
move
forward,
it
will
expire
on
its
own
in
two
years,
but
no
permits
have
been
pulled
at
this
point,
so
we're
not
really
sure
what
the
developers
next
next
steps
are
here.
More
questions
on
that,
if
you
have
them,
we
could
probably
address
that
later.
A
A
Now
the
I
think
they've
done
a
really
nice
job
here
in
in
terms
of
you
know
the
setback
on
the
building
so
that
it
doesn't
encroach
right
up
against
the
the
road
that
is
there
that
separates
kind
of
your
residential
areas
and
all
so
they
they
did
a
good
job
there.
It's
149
units
they
did
use
our
opportunity
housing
ordinance
to
support
that
too.
14
of
those
units
are
also
going
to
be
affordable
at
Amis
of
50
and
I.
Do
believe.
A
Jamie
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
there's
a
couple
of
three
bedroom
units
in
this
building
set
right,
yeah,
which
is
great
right.
So
one
of
the
questions,
I
I
get
asked
a
lot.
Is
you
know
it's
great?
If
you,
you
know
one
bedroom
two
bedroom,
but
what,
if
you
have
a
larger
family
and
need
three
or
four
bedrooms?
And
so
you
know
part
of
one
of
these.
What
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
development
right
now
is.
A
Can
we
get
some
of
these
larger
family
units
also
to
be
a
part
of
of
some
of
our
development?
Here?
On
the
commercial
front,
we
have
walls
or
Toyota
there's.
This
is
kind
of
cool
in
the
sense
that
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
the
city
passed
was
a
the
the
notion
that
going
forward.
We
really
don't
want
these
large
expanses
of
parking
lots
associated
with
our
our
our
car
dealerships.
You
know
giving
them
verticality
and
allowing
more
use
of
the
land
around.
A
There
is
better
for
the
environment
and
better
for
the
density
and
development
of
the
city,
and
so
the
folks
here
have
actually
created
a
essentially
a
a
an
area
for
displaying
all
of
their
cars
and
CR
and
keeping
all
of
their
inventory
that
sits
on
probably
about
a
fifth
of
what
it
would
have
sat
on
if
they
had
tried
to
expand
it
out
across
all
of
the
area,
and
so
once
they're
done
with
the
moving
over
and
putting
the
corporate
office
buildings
on
or
units
on
top
of
that
and
everything
they'll
tear
down
the
old
building
and
that'll
leave
us
opportunity
for
a
different
development,
potentially
Fire
Station
Number
Four.
A
One
of
one
I
think
it's
the
second
of
the
six
fire
stations
that
we're
going
through
renovation
on
right
now,
and
this
is
a
complete
remodel.
As
you
imagine
part
of
our
our
budget
process
includes
and
we'll
talk
about
this,
the
the
bond
for
development
of
this
fire
station
I,
don't
know
Chief
seal.
A
If
there's
anything
in
particular,
you
want
to
talk
about,
but
I
know
that
you
know
we
have
to
go
through
this
process,
because
our
fire
stations
are
aging
they're
too
small
for
the
pro
basically
the
cars
and
trucks
that
we
use
as
part
of
our
fire
service
today,
and
we
can't,
if
we're
shifting
to
full-time
firefighters,
we
don't
have
any
place
for
these
folks
to
to
be
and
sleep
and
live,
and
you
know
make
food,
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
did
I
get
all
that.
That's
that
sounded
good,
okay,
great
yeah.
A
So
a
really
cool
opportunity.
I
know
that
I've
had
some
conversations
with
some
of
the
residents
around
there
there's
some
learnings
for
us
around
the
process
of
this,
especially
since,
unlike
Fire
Station
3,
you
know
this
one
was
done
right
in
smack
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area,
and
there
was
probably
some
learnings
we
should
have
thought
about,
as
it
relates
to
dust
and
noise
and
Landscaping
in
the
you
know
the
way
that
it
encroaches
on
the
environment.
A
So
before
we
get
to
five
or
six,
you
know
we
have
to
think
through
these
things
and
take
some
learnings
from
this.
So
I
know
that
I've
already
talked
with
Jamie
and
with
with
Chief
seal
and
I.
Imagine
we'll
get
to
the
the
developers
on
that
front
as
we
go
forward
and
and
and
think
about
those
things
a
little
bit
more
detail:
the
Seagate
expansion,
another
commercial
thing.
A
This
is
on
the
other
side
of
494,
if
you're
familiar
with,
where
Seagate
is
very
cool
opportunity
for
them
to
expand
their
property
great
for
us
from
both
a
commercial
tax
perspective
and
an
employee-based
perspective.
They
also
agreed
to
do
some
connections
with
the
with
the
the
trails
that
are
near
there,
that
connect
kind
of
the
Nine
Mile
Creek
area
and
all
so
they're
building
some
more
sidewalks
and
other
things
like
that.
As
part
of
this,
and
also
really
just
a
great
idea
here,
you
know
we
want
them
to
stay.
A
We
want
them
to
continue
to
be.
You
know
Tech
is
an
important
industry
for
us
and
and
we
want
them
to
to
stay
and
be
happy
and
so
we're
excited
about
this
expansion
TopLine
Credit
Union.
They
are
going
in
right
on
the
south
side
of
Lindale
and
American
Boulevard.
A
They
I
think
they're.
Actually,
looking
at
an
addition,
that's
going
to
be
two
stories.
It's
you
know:
it's
been
vacant
for
a
long
time,
but
you
know
we
had
to
do
a
little
bit
of
work
to
Move
It
from
industrial
to
commercial
in
the
zoning
rules
there.
But
it's
part
of
that.
You
know
that
Lindale
traditional
transitional
program
that
we
have
in
place
right
now,
so
we
could
make
that
happen
and
and
they'll
be
in
there.
A
I
don't
know
exactly
do
you
know
late
2023,
something
like
that
I
think
and
we
didn't.
We
didn't,
provide
them
any
assistance
on
this
either.
You
know
the
commercial
folks
just
decided
to
put
it
there
I
think
it's
a
good
spot,
I
mean
U.S
Bank's
right
around
the
corner
and
it
gets
a
lot
of
foot
traffic.
So
that's
good,
and
probably
my
favorite
one
to
tell
you
about
today.
Did
everybody
know
that
your
obelis
is
expanding?
A
Did
everybody
know
that
they're
taking
out
the
90th
and
Penn
gas
station
to
do
it?
A
Yeah
so
I
know
it's
so
exciting,
right
yeah
this
is
this
is
like
it
is
a
really
fun
project
and
I'm
glad
we
landed
on
this
one,
the
the
folks
there
have
been
wanting
to
do
this
for
a
while
we're
going
to
help
them
a
little
bit
the
city's
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
Tiff
work
to
help
them
get
rid
of
the
the
gas
station
components
and
things
like
that,
because
that's
kind
of
a
challenge
to
developing
that
area
and
then
once
that's,
that's
complete
they're
gonna,
expand
it
I,
think
they're
doing.
A
If
I'm
reading
my
notes,
Here
correctly
outdoor
seating
area,
I
think
you
know,
we've
got
to
get
the
approval
process
through,
but
once
they
do,
that
I
think
we're
late
late,
2023
early
2024
that
this
will
be
up
and
running
so
not
too
far
away.
A
Now
yeah
I'm
really
excited
about
it
and
I
mean
I
like
geropolis
anyway,
and
this
means
that
we'll
all
get
to
go
and
so
I've
asked
our
community
development
director
to
make
sure
that
she
puts
on
camera
for
the
whole
world
to
see
the
the
demolition
of
that
gas
station.
So
I
think
maybe
we
should
show
up
and
have
a
party
right,
absolutely
all
right.
The
last
thing
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
in
terms
of
of
kind
of
street
or
or
pavement
development
is
98th
and
Normandale.
A
You
know
there
was
a
really
interesting
traffic
study
done
here.
We
know
we
have
a
the
biggest
problem
that
we
had
was
you
know
people
trying
to
get
to
up
to
45
miles
an
hour
as
they
were
coming
around
that
corner
on
on
the
on
the
egress
Ingress
Ingress
I.
Guess
it
is,
and
so
you
know
a
lot
of
the
work
that
was
done
here
was
to
really
make
that
protected
turns.
A
It
also,
hopefully
protects
a
little
bit
of
the
of
the
the
back,
the
backup
that
happens,
because
you
know
you'll
have
a
protected
turn
that
allows
you
to
actually
move
through
the
the
parking
or
the
the
intersection,
as
opposed
to
waiting
for
you
know
and
everybody's
subjective
opinion
about
when
the
right
time
is
to
go
right,
it
so
more
on
that
coming
up,
I
think
it's
in
its
third
phase.
Right
now,
all
right.
Let's
talk
about
Park's
master
plan.
A
You
know
the
park.
Fastener
plan
is
a
really
important
part
of
what
we're
working
on
from
a
strategic
perspective.
If
you
saw
any
of
the
council
information
over
the
last
couple
of
months,
you've
seen
us
get
some.
Some
survey
results
that
tell
us.
You
know
once
again
that
natural
resources,
management
and
and
protection
of
our
Parks
is
a
really
really
important
aspect
of
what
we
do
here
in
Bloomington
I
believe
we
have
97
Parks,
a
third
of
the
city
is
dedicated
to
public.
A
You
know
Green
Space
in
one
way
or
the
another,
and
so
it's
it's
it's
just
part
of
the
city's.
You
know,
identity
and
working
through
this
Park's
master
plan
allows
us
to
move
in
a
couple
of
different
areas.
At
the
same
time,
one
it
helps
us
with
our
facilities
at
the
parks.
So,
for
example,
and
I'll
talk
about
this,
when
we
get
to
Bryant,
you
know
not,
every
park
has
restroom
facilities.
Not
every
park
has
accessible
Recreation
facilities,
not
every
park.
A
Has
you
know
the
right
kind
of
of
spaces
for
Gathering
like
picnic
tables
and
other
things
like
that,
and
so
we're
looking
at
all
those
assets,
we're
also
looking
at
assets
related
to
what
people
are
doing
in
those
Parks,
because
you
know
there
are
activities
that
we
support
today
that
have
become
less
of
of
a
priority
for
the
residents
here
who
use
the
space,
and
there
are
ones
that
are
going
up
so
think
about
things
like
pickleball,
which
is
obviously
on
an
upward
trajectory
in
terms
of
of
its
popularity,
the
fastest
growing
sport
in
high
school
right
now
is
mountain
biking,
and
so
our
you
know,
Kennedy
and
Jefferson.
A
High
schools
have
mountain
biking
teams
today.
So
you
know
thinking
about
thinking
about
those
things,
whereas
you
know
less
people
play
softball
than
they
used
to,
for
example,
or
you
know,
there's
some
questions
about
whether
pickleball
and
Tennis
are.
This
can
be
in
the
same
place
or
they
have
to
be
separate,
or
you
know,
nighttime
playing
versus
daytime
playing.
All
of
these
things
have
to
be
considered
and
they're
kind
of
on
a
part
by
Park
basis,
based
on
what's
happening
in
the
community
around
them.
A
So
as
we
go
through
here,
there
are
nine
Parks
right
now
being
looked
at.
You
may
have
participated
in
one
of
the
the
listening
sessions
that
they
had
at
one
of
the
parks.
If
you
were
at
at
tret
bar
or
you
were
at
Sunrise
or
you
were,
you
know
at
Bryant
Park,
which
is
my
home
park,
these
the
the
inputs.
There
have
been
crucial
to
us
understanding.
A
What's
going
to
happen
next
and
speaking
of
that,
how
many
of
you
I
I,
feel
like
I
saw
at
least
a
couple
of
you
there
were
were
you
was
anybody
in
the
room
there
on
the
10th
of
September
at
Penn
lake,
when
we
did
a
little?
We
did
a
conversation
with
the
community
around
the
water
quality
there
at
least
nice
to
see
you
yeah,
the
the
importance
of
of
that
is.
You
know
it
is
a
an
important
feature
to
the
central
part
of
Bloomington.
A
It
is
you
know
going
through
it's.
It's
got
a
lot
of
challenges
because
it
it
acts
as
a
major
container
for
a
lot
of
the
runoff
off
our
impervious
services,
and
so,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
do
the
right
things
to
control,
not
only
the
storm
water
input
and
the
quality
of
that,
but
also
the
ecosystem
management
around
it,
so
that
we
don't
have
algal
blooms
and
we
don't
have
problems
with
the
with
the
oxygenation
of
the
water
and
other
things
like
that.
A
We
can
make
that
place
a
much
more
vibrant
area.
You
know
for
all
the
things
that
we
might
want
to
do
there
like
fishing,
for
example,
which
I
I
wouldn't
do
today.
Although
I
know
people
do
but
we'd
want
to
make
that
something
that
everybody
feels
really
comfortable
doing.
A
A
It
was
it's
a
small
footprint
and
it
it
was
buffered
by
native
plantings
as
it
you
know,
as
we
finished
it
up,
you
know
not
having
it
paved
created
a
couple
of
challenges.
It
created
unevenness
in
the
in
the
surface
which
was
hazardous,
especially
in
the
wintertime.
It
made
it
impossible
really
to
pay
to
plow
in
the
in
the
winter
time,
which
meant
it
rendered
things
inaccessible,
especially
for
people
with
mobility
issues.
You
know
we
wanted
to
do
the
right
thing
now.
A
I'll
tell
you
I'm,
not
a
huge
fan
of
taking
pervious
areas
and
natural
spaces
and
Paving
them
like
I
hope
we
don't
continue
to
do
that
all
the
time,
but
there
are
times
when
it's
the
most
appropriate
thing
to
do,
and
in
this
particular
case,
most
people
I've
talked
to
even
people
who
bike
over
there
have
said
yeah.
This
is
a
big
improvement
over
what
it
was
before.
So
certainly
your
comments
are
welcome.
On
that
front
too
and
yeah,
then
there
was
also
some
Normandale
Lake
park
facility.
A
We
work
often
times
with
the
Three
Rivers
folks,
here
a
good
example
of
a
facility
that
needed
to
be
updated,
accessible
bathrooms,
making
sure
that
we
have.
You
know
good
water
quality
there,
good
parking
area
and
everything
there
I
believe.
Let
me
just
check
my
notes:
I
think
it's
underway,
I,
think
they're
I
think
they're
going
to
be
done
before
winter.
Winter
truly
hits
not
first
winter,
but
second
winter
sometime
in
November.
A
So
if
you
get
a
chance
to
check
that
out,
let
us
know
what
you
think
about
it
all
right
on
to
the
budget,
how
many
of
you
watched
or
participated
in
any
of
the
budget
commentary
that
we've
had
so
far
today
as
a
city?
Okay,
so
I
will
do
my
best
to
answer
any
questions.
I
can
think
that
other
people
have
asked
as
part
of
the
conversation,
so
our
2023
budget
is
right
now
sitting
at
77
million
dollars.
A
Do
I
have
that
right,
75
77,
I
think
which
is
about
a
10
10.5
percent
Levy
increase
over
last
year,
and
that's
a
big
number
and
none
of
us
on
Council,
because
we're
all
also
homeowners
and
residents
here
want
to
pay
that
either
so
I
just
want
to
be
upfront
with
you
about
that
right
now.
This
is
the
distribution
of
that
tax
increase,
and
the
important
thing
to
note
here
is
that
we're
really
focused
on
Public
Safety
in
this.
In
this
budget
there
are
two
areas
of
Public
Safety
that
are.
A
Yes,
that's
correct:
the
distribution
of
the
proposed
tax
levy
increase,
so
65
of
the
total
increase
goes
to
Fire
and
Police.
That's
right.
Okay,.
A
No,
but
we
can
clarify
that
I'll
have
Jamie
clarify
that,
for
us,
if
you
can
is
it
is
this,
is
this
representative
of
the
same
pie
chart
essentially
for
the
budget
as
a
whole?
It's
not.
D
Is
if
we
were
not
looking
at
the
increase,
but
we
were
looking
at
the
base,
what
our
base
and
fire
be
65.
A
If
I
remember
correctly-
and
forgive
me
if
I
don't
think,
I
have
this
right,
but
I
think
the
total
number,
if
you,
if
you
take
fire
police,
Public,
Works
and
parks
that
that
in
and
of
itself
is
like
85,
but
I
can't
break
down
for
you
in
there
off
the
top
of
my
head.
But
maybe
we
can
pull
that
up
and
and
get
that
back
to
you
guys
so
I'll
answer
that
question
I
understand
the
question:
you're
asking
you're,
saying:
okay,
we're
going
to
go
from!
A
You
know
basically
70
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
the
math
right,
but
if
we
take
yeah
I
mean
if
he
can
look
it
up
right
now,
great,
if
not
we'll
get
we'll
make
sure
we
get
it
out
and
to
everybody
and
I'll
make
a
public
comment.
Pardon
me,
how
would
you
get
it
out?
A
I
can
I
can
certainly
there's
well
from
here
yeah.
How
would
that
work
I'm
very
happy
to
talk
to
us?
How
would
you
get
back?
I
am
very
happy
to
number
one
make
a
post
on
on
my
own
Facebook
page,
which
you
all
can
follow.
I'll
be
very
happy
to
make
a
public
comment
about
it
at
the
next
meeting,
which
is
Monday
so
we'll
we'll
make
sure
that
we
get
that
information
out
to
you
folks
and
if
you
have,
if,
if
you
want
to
eat.
D
A
A
A
Does
anybody
else
have
a
question
about
that
makeup
beforehand,
because
I
want
to
answer
it
and
answer
it
effectively
for
everyone?
Okay.
So
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
the
budget
includes.
The
budget
includes
a
major
upgrade
for
our
fire
stations.
What
are
you
oh
I'm
out
of
order
here,
I
apologize?
A
If
the
budget
holds
it,
10.5
percent,
which
you
know
I'm
not
looking
forward
to
voting
for
that,
that's
what
it
would
be
if
you
have
a
250,
000
valued
home,
that
number
is
eight
dollars
a
month.
A
Okay,
and
if
you
have
a
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
median
value
home,
twelve
dollars
and
eighty
cents,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
it
a
little
easier
for
you
to
understand.
Three
hundred
thousand
dollars
would
be
9.69
if
you
happen
to
have
a
four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
value
home,
be
fourteen
dollars
and
forty
cents.
So
you
kind
of
get
the
way
the
math
works.
Yeah
I.
B
A
A
A
A
A
Last
year,
yep
I
can
explain
that
to
you,
but
let's
do
this,
let
me
get
through
here
and
then
maybe
I'll
I'll
do
a
specific
example.
With
your
numbers
right:
okay,
yeah!
You
got
it
absolutely
it's
a
good
question
and
I
know
it's
confusing,
because
there's
like
lots
of
factors
that
go
into
your
property
taxes
right,
we
are
one
of
them.
You
have
school
taxes,
you
have.
You
know
Hennepin
County
tax.
A
D
D
A
D
A
You're
not
correct
I'm,
not
basing
it
on.
Nobody
has
bait.
The
city
does
not
look
at
each
one
of
your
individual
property
values
and
decide
what
to
assess
you.
That's
not
how
it
works.
This
number
is
the
same
for
every
person
who
has
a
residential
property
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
regardless
of
their
property
value,
so
the
people
who
have
million
dollar
homes
pay
ten
and
a
half
percent
more
than
last
year.
The
people
who
have
a
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollar
homes
pay
the
same.
A
Now,
if
your
property
tax,
if
your
property
assessment,
your
market
value,
went
up,
50
percent
versus
somebody's,
it
only
went
up.
20
yeah,
the
net
total
that
you're
spending
is
more
right,
but
that's
not
because
the
ten
and
a
half
percent
Levy
that
has
everything
to
do
with
the
market
value
of
your
home.
We
expect
I
believe
to
see
the
market
for
homes
in
Bloomington
to
actually
slow.
Why?
Because
of
the
FED,
raising
the
interest
rates
right.
A
So
when
we
had
interest
rates
sitting
at
two
and
a
half,
three
percent
people
were
buying
our
homes
like
hotcakes
the
average
day
number
of
days
that
it
took
to
to
sell
a
house
was
like
four
days
we're
not
going
to
see
that
going
into
next
year,
most
likely
because
interest
rates
are
no
longer
two
and
a
half
or
three
percent
they're
more
like
five
or
six
percent.
Now,
yes,.
D
D
A
D
Not
happy
about
any
of
those
taxes.
Oh
I
understand.
My
point
is:
if
the
product,
the
value
of
my
property,
you're,
talking
about
okay,
it
might
level
now
well,
then
we
might
be
talking
about
the
same
10
and
a
half
percent
if
we're
right
here,
but
if
my
property
went
up,
20
percent
you're
taking
ten
and
a
half
percent
from
that,
and
you
guys
have
to
mind
your
store
better.
A
A
A
Well,
we
can
talk
about
that.
That's
not
what
this
presentation
is
about.
Well,
let's,
let's
have
that.
Let's
have
that
conversation.
Let's
have
that
conversation
and,
if
you
add
Abby
I
mean
very
happy
to
actually
so
let's
have
this
conversation,
10
and
a
half
percent.
If
you
take
out
the
and
I
assume
okay,
it's
not!
Let
me
go
back
yeah
we'll
talk
about
that.
Let
me
talk.
Let
me
go
back
to
this
guy,
we'll
talk
about
the
Expo,
no
problem,
we'll
talk
about
the
Expo
in
a
minute.
A
Okay,
so
who
here
understands
that
police
and
fire
are
investments
this
year?
Because,
let
me
tell
you
this
of
the
ten
and
a
half
percent
the
levy
that
we're
talking
about.
Eight
percent
of
that
Levy
goes
to
fire
and
police.
If
we
were
not
making
those
Investments,
we
would
be
right
at
where
you're
talking
about
Sir
two
and
a
half
percent.
A
Does
everybody
understand
that
so
hands
of
people
who
do
not
want
us
to
invest
in
Fire
and
Police?
So
so
three
of
you
out
of
everybody
else
in
the
room
that
sounds
about
right,
fire
and
police?
Are
our
number
one?
Our
number
one
concern
in
this
community
right
now.
People
want
to
know
that
we
have
a
handle
on
Public
Safety.
There
are
two
things
that
are
happening
right
now:
I'm
going
to
talk
about
fire
first
and
then
I'll
talk
about
police
with
fire.
A
We
have
a
problem
in
our
fire
department
in
that
we
are
the
largest
paid
on-call
Fire
Department
in
the
state
of
Minnesota.
Okay,
a
paid
on-call
fire
department,
as
as
amazing
as
they
are,
is
not
sustainable
for
a
community
of
our
size.
Celie
will
tell
you
I'm,
not
saying
anything.
He
wouldn't
say
himself.
We
struggle
to
make
our
slas
when
it
comes
to
fire.
A
You
know
response.
Sla
stands
for
standard,
sorry,
service
level,
agreement
there
you
go
and
what
that
means
is
if,
if
Celie
puts
in
front
of
us
that
we
should
be
able
to
respond
to
a
fire
in
seven
minutes,
and
we
cannot
meet
that.
That's
bad
for
you
as
a
homeowner
whose
house
is
on
fire
right
likewise,
if
we
are
able
to
do
that,
but
we're
only
running
one
person
on
that
truck
or
two
people
on
that
truck.
A
A
We
also
need
to
upgrade
our
fire
department
buildings,
our
fire
stations,
because
we
can't
house
the
people
that
are
part
of
a
full-time
fire
department
without
a
place
for
them
to
raise
to
lay
their
heads
without
a
place
for
them
to
cook
their
meals
without
a
place
for
them
to
have
all
the
equipment,
including
the
right
fire
trucks
in
the
right
places
at
the
right
time
for
them
to
do
their
jobs.
Okay,
four
percent
of
this
four
percent
of
the
total
ten
and
a
half
percent
for
fire.
A
A
We
were
gonna
hire
we're
going
to
be
able
to
pay
for
six
for
three
years,
so
the
safer
Grant
is
only
a
three-year
Grant
and
it
does
allow
us
to
bring
those
firefighters
on
and
pay
their
salaries
and
benefits
and
everything
for
three
years
now
that's
cool,
except
that
when
we
don't
get
the
safer
Grant
again,
we
don't
want
to
be
left
without
being
able
to
keep
those
firefighters
on
if
the
whole
point
is
to
increase
our
our
full-time,
Fire,
Department.
A
Nope
that
decision
hasn't
been
made
yet
so
we
we
still
working
through
those
things
and
like
I,
said
I'm
not
interested
in
voting.
I,
say
this
right
now:
I'm
not
interested
in
voting
for
a
10
and
a
half
percent.
Levy
I'll
just
tell
you
that
right
now,
okay,
so
my
hope
is
that
we're
making
it
lower
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
to
three
percent,
sir,
but
but
but
you
understand,
okay,
yes,
yes,.
C
A
So
the
answer
to
your
question:
Kevin
just
so
everybody
can
hear
it
on
budget,
so
there's
so
65
for
police
and
fire
in
the
increase.
43
is
what
48
is
what
it
sits
at
now.
So
the
expectation
would
be
that
it
will
go
up
slightly
in
the
2023
year,
fantastic.
D
F
D
A
A
I,
have
you
know,
I'm
a
human
being
people
right,
I
mean
I,
live
here
and
I
understand
the
pain
that
you're
in
I
do
I,
don't
make
a
ton
of
money
myself
I'm
not
sitting
up
on
high
in
some
Ivory
Tower,
so
I
completely
I
empathize,
with
the
position
that
you're
in
and
we
and
I've
already
said
and
I'll
say
it
one
more
time.
I
am
not
voting
for
a
10
and
a
half
percent
increase
okay.
So
you
have
my
word
on
that
all
right
all
right.
A
Let's
just
we
can
talk
about
police
if
you
want
to
we're
gonna,
add
two
more
police
police
officers
to
the
roles
we're
below
our
roles
as
it
is
I
actually
think
this
is
a
good
idea
and
I
know,
there's
lots
of
people
who
would
would
question
that
about
me.
But
let
me
explain
to
you.
My
position
on
this.
A
I
have
been
I
made
it
my
point
when
I
first
got
on
Council
to
do
ride-alongs
every
month
for
the
first
year
that
I've
been
on
Council,
so
I've
been
on
nine
of
them
already
I.
Do
that
on
purpose,
I
didn't
know
anything
about
being
a
police
officer
when
I
got
here
and
considering
it's.
The
single
largest
line
item
in
our
budget
I
felt
the
need
to
understand
the
job.
A
Okay,
I,
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
I
haven't
been
in
the
front
or
back
of
a
police
car
before
this
and
I
guess,
that's
probably
a
good
thing,
but
you
know
I've
gone
from
literally.
You
know,
accident
to
overdose.
A
To
you
know
major
medical,
for
you
know
an
elderly
person
to
a
theft,
to
you
know
a
stolen
license
plate
like
one
right
after
the
other,
after
the
other,
in
in
being
with
these
these
police
officers,
they
get
no
break,
they
get
no
break
because
there
aren't
enough
people
to
do
the
work,
and
so
they
spend
an
extra
amount
of
overtime.
They
spend
12
hour
shifts
things
like
that.
I,
don't
think!
A
I
think
that
that's
okay,
that's
kind
of
my
philosophy
on
it.
If
you
disagree
with
that,
I'm
really
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
it,
but
I
I,
don't
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
long-term
way
of
looking
at
actually
improving.
You
know
the
relationship
we
have
with
our
police
officers
and
by
the
way
I
I
have
had
the
best
time
if
you've
never
done
a
ride
along
I
recommend
it.
If
you
don't
know
anything
about
the
job,
go
see
what
happens,
it
has
changed
my
mind.
A
A
A
Right
Minnesota
has
been
at
the
state
level
and,
with
the
support
of
the
Secretary
of
State,
been
hoping
to
have
an
expo
in
the
United
States
for
a
long
time
and
I
haven't
been
on
Council
all
this
long,
but
I
know
from
being
a
resident
here
and
all
you
can
go
back
and
talk
about
this
back
in
2017
and
even
further
back
than
that,
so
the
the
Bloomington
being
the
host
city
in
the
United
States
for
the
Expo
is
whether
you
think
it's
a
good
thing
or
not
a
good
thing.
A
It's
mostly
a
function
of
the
way
that
the
process
works
for
how
these
things
become,
what
they
are,
if
you
think
about
what
we
have
to
offer
the
location
and
its
proximity
to
a
major
airport,
the
location
in
its
proximity
to
the
medical
alley.
If
you
will,
between
Duluth
and
Rochester
right
that
we
have,
which
is
part
of
the
overall
premise
for
the
Expo
healthy
people
healthy,
healthy
Planet,
which
is
our
Lo
our
motto
for
our
bid,
it
you
can
understand
why
we
would
be
on
the
map.
A
You
know
the
other
amenities
we
have
the
number
of
hotels
and
and
restaurants
and
the
you
know
the
spaces.
The
fact
that
we've
already
shown
that
we
can
handle
you
know
Mall
of
America
size,
traffic
plus
a
Super
Bowl,
and
you
know
a
final
four
and
you
know
all
these
kinds
of
things
it
just.
A
I
will
tell
you
right
now,
based
so
the
folks
at
the
bie
were
here
in
early
October
two
weeks
ago
or
last
week.
I
can't
remember
they've
done
tours
of
all
of
the
five
cities
that
are
that
are
up
for
this
bid.
It
includes
places
in
Serbia,
Argentina,
Spain
and
Thailand.
A
In
addition
to
us,
we
won't
know
if
we
are
chosen
for
this
until
June
of
2023
and
if
it
does
happen,
May
to
August
of
of
2027
would
be
the
time
we
would
be
done
about
the
15th
or
so
of
August.
So
as
not
to
interfere
with
the
Minnesota
State
Fair
they're,
the
only
money
that
has
currently
been
spent
by
Bloomington
as
a
city
in
support
of
this
has
been
our
our
two
affix
ex-officio
board
members.
A
The
mayor
has
a
position,
and
the
city
manager
has
a
position
right
now.
As
you
know,
that's
Tim
and
Jamie.
They
have
done
travel.
We've
also
taken
contingents
of
folks
to
travel.
The
majority
of
that
money
actually
came
from
the
South
Loop
Development
Fund,
which
is
where
this
would
be
happening
over
by
Mall
of
America
and
right
now.
There
is
no
further
commitment
in
any
dollars
by
the
city
for
this
at
the
time.
A
D
To
our
Port
Authority,
the
additional
the
dollars
that
we
we
had
a
person
that
I
can't
remember,
the
gentleman's
name
is
shark
shark
guy.
All
of
a
sudden,
he
sits
on
the
he's,
an
employee
of
the
people
that
will
be
doing
a
lot
of
the
of
the
construction
and
the
development
or
whatever
of
this
project
we've
re-jiggered
our
dollars
towards
this
I
mean.
A
We
can
we
can,
we
can
talk
about
so
so
let
me
let
me
Kevin.
Neither
one
of
those
things
is
accurate.
I
understand,
I,
understand
where
you,
no,
we
the
reasons
for
them
are
not
accurate.
I
understand
why
you're
putting
them
together,
but
it's
not
true
so
so
so.
The
human,
the
housing
Redevelopment
Authority
and
the
Port
Authority
budgets
have
been
Consolidated
into
basically
bifurcated,
so
that
the
Housing
and
Redevelopment
Authority
focuses
on
building
properties,
renovating
properties,
helping
folks
with
rental
and
homeowner
assistance
for
units
of
20
or
less
the
Port
Authority.
A
We
didn't
move
the
budget
Kevin,
we
didn't,
we
didn't
move
the
budget,
I
swear,
we
didn't
move
the
budget.
Okay
and
the
Port
Authority
is
now
working
on
commercial
and
residential
development.
420
and
above
the
other
thing
that
we
did
was
make
the
Port
Authority
accessible
city-wide,
which
is
a
good
thing
for
the
city.
It
means
that
we
can
use
the
same
benefits
of
a
port
authority
to
do
financing
and
other
things
like
that
for
projects
all
around
the
city.
A
Now,
whether
you
like
development
in
the
city
or
not,
the
truth
is
we've
all
watched.
The
South
Loop
area
get
a
lot
of
development
right
and
that's
in
part
for
two
reasons:
one
because
we
have
systems
that
are
accessible
to
us
through
state
code
to
the
Port
Authority
that
we
as
a
city
can't
do,
okay,
so
by
creating
the
Port
Authority
structure
and
giving
us
those
levers
that
the
city
doesn't
have
that
the
Port
Authority
by
state
law
does
have.
We
can
actually
do
those
things
all
around
the
city.
Now,
okay,
all.
A
A
A
port
they
don't
all
have
the
ports
I
promise
you
I
I
promise
you
we
can
talk
about
it
offline,
but
I
promise
you
ports
are
are
lots
of
different
kinds
of
ports.
Some
are
shipping
ports,
some
are
airports.
Some
are
train
depots.
There
are
lots
of
different
ways
of
looking
at
Port.
The
purpose
of
a
port
is
ingress
and
egress
of
goods
and
services.
That's
all
it
is
all
right.
So
with
that
I'll
get
the
questions,
although
I
feel
like
I've,
been
managing
questions
pretty
much
along
the
way.
A
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
time,
we're
we're
finishing
up
at
at
eight
o'clock.
So
if
there
is
a
question
that
I
kind
of
sort
of
answered
already
I'm
going
to
bypass
that
not
not
to
get
back
to
it,
okay,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
variety
of
questions
that
we
may
have
are
answered.
So
if
you
can
do
a
little
bit
of
of
that
for
me,
that
would
be
amazing.
Chief,
okay,.
H
H
Had
yet
relax,
we
don't
have
enough
time
to
answer
everything
in
here.
My
guess,
because
I
wanted
to
I,
don't
need
to
explain
that
to
you
if
you're
ready
for
this
question,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you,
if
anything,
yeah
I'm
I'm,
not
hiding
anything,
no
I'm
going
to
read
the
one
I
got
in
my
hand.
Right
now,
the
city
council
voted
to
ban
flavored
nicotine
to
save
the
kids.
H
A
Okay,
so
I
have
a
different
opinion
candidly
about
this
topic
than
maybe
some
of
my
colleagues.
To
be
honest
with
you,
I
will
be
candid
and
tell
you
that
if
I
was
on
Council,
when
we
did
that
ban
I
would
not
have
voted
for
it,
and
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
the
the
very
true
health
statistics
that
that
you
know
smoking
and
vaping
is
bad
and
especially
for
kids
in
their
developmental
years.
A
We
know
this
right,
but
I
have
of
the
opinion
that
you
in
in
my
experience,
the
marketing
was
the
problem
and
the
enforcement
was
the
problem
and
I
would
have
focused
my
efforts
on
that,
not
just
on
a
band.
So
that's
just
my
personal
take
on
it
at
the
moment.
I
didn't
vote
on
it.
A
So
I'm
only
you
know
I'm
speaking
from
the
peanut
gallery,
if
you
will
having
said
that,
I
understand
that
that
the
THC
gummies
that
people
are
are
referring
to
here
also
have
a
challenge
in
front
of
us
now,
according
to
the
state
regulation
on
them,
there
are
some
Provisions
in
place
around
the
kind
of
packaging
they
can
use
where
they
can
sell
them
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
we
are
looking
at
an
ordinance
here
in
Bloomington
to
tighten
that
up.
So
much
like
we
have.
A
You
know
tobacco
sales
today,
behind
the
counter
21
and
over
id'd
ID
ID
required.
You
know
packaging
enforcement
and
that
kind
of
thing
the
truth
of
the
matter
is.
The
state
regulation
happened
so
so
quickly
and
with
so
little
like
guide
posts
for
us
that
we
have
to
kind
of
make
them
up
on
our
own
right
and
so
I
believe,
probably
before
the
end
of
the
year,
we're
going
to
see
something
right
to
to
react
to.
Do
you
think
I
mean
for
us
like
personally,
not
sure,
okay
yeah.
A
So
my
guess-
and
this
is
just
speculation-
is
that
the
very
first
thing
that
the
state
legislature
does
when
it
comes
back
in
January,
is
tighten
up
these
regulations
and,
of
course,
we'll
follow
suit
and
and
go
forward
with
it.
But
I
I
mean
I
think
that
if
it's,
if
it's
21
and
over,
which
is
what
it
is
in
State
Statute
anyway,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
enforcement
in
place
here
in
the
city
to
ensure
that
that's
the
case.
H
Okay,
next
one
during
the
September
19th
council
meeting,
you
voted
to
go
ahead
and
approve
the
grant
for
Artistry
I.
Believe
you
stated,
artists
need
to
be
paid,
they
don't
get
paid
enough.
However,
it
seems
what
Artistry
was
asking
back
on.
September
19th
for
a
loan
was
greatly
underestimated.
Apparently
they
hadn't
conducted
conducted
a
thorough
enough
forensics
on
the
debts.
Could
you
explain
why
artists
need
to
be
paid,
and
why
that
this
that's
the
city's
responsibility,
many
private
companies
and
nonprofits
sometimes
will
go
into
debt
and
declare
bankruptcy
and
their
workers,
unfortunately
don't
get
paid.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
appreciate
it
I.
This
is
a
really
tough
issue
for
me,
because
I
love,
the
Arts
and
I
do
think
that
we
underpay
our
artists.
I
just
do
I
have
artists
in
my
family,
I
have
a
Performing
Artist
on
Broadway
and
I
have
folks
that
work
in
the
trade
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
investment
made
in
arts
all
over
the
country.
I
honestly
believe
that
so
I'm
a
fan
of
the
Arts,
and
so
my
you
know,
from
a
from
a
a
purely
like
fan,
girl
perspective.
A
I,
want
to
see
the
Arts
succeed.
Having
said
that,
I
also,
you
know,
have
30
years
of
executive
level,
business
experience
and
know
a
bad
deal
when
I
see
one
and
I
am
in
a
very
uncomfortable
position
right
now,
because
I
have
people
on
both
sides
of
this
issue
calling
and
talking
to
me
daily
about
you
know,
please
support
the
Arts.
Artistry
tree
has
grown
it's
our
highest
visibility,
most
regionally,
and
you
know
important
Arts
organization
in
Bloomington.
It
brings
people
from
all
over
the
Twin
Cities
to
support
our
Arts.
A
We
get
a
lot
of
benefit
from
that,
both
from
you
know,
shops
and
restaurants
and
other
things
that
happen
as
well
as
the
downflow
of
of
looking
like
an
important
Arts
destination.
You
know
here
in
the
in
the
area,
and
so
you
know
great
and
then
on
the
other
side,
people
say
like
these
people
were
really
bad
with
their
money
and
it's
not
the
city's
job.
To
give
out
a
loan
and
I
agree
with
that
completely.
We
are
not
a
bank
and
we
and
we
shouldn't
be
giving
out
loans.
A
So
the
reason
I
voted
for
the
grant
was
two
reasons:
two
twofold:
the
first
one
being
because
I
understanding
that
people
needed
to
pay
their
debts
and
that
we
had
both.
You
know
people
in
our
community
who
were
strapped
and
not
able
to
be
paid
because
of
this,
and
we
we
had
a
benefit
to
the
community
by
having
these
shows
put
on
I
felt
that
it
was
important
to
at
least
clear
the
deck
there.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
am
not
an
expert
on
the
on
the
way
that
our
judicial
system
works,
but
criminal
criminal
charges
are
largely
put
through
Hennepin
County.
So
basically,
what
we
do
is
we
book
them
and
we
ship
them
to
County
and
then
County
makes
a
charging
decision
based
on
that-
and
there
are
some
nuances
to
that
that
if
Chief
Hodges
would
hear
you
could
be
more
helpful
to
you
know
the
things
like
misdemeanors
versus
gross
misdemeanors
versus
felonies
right
and
they
go
through
different
processes.
A
H
A
A
Affordable
housing,
affordable
housing
is
the
in
this
particular
context,
is
a
as
a
function
of
the
way
that
we
do
rentals.
We
don't
do
a
lot
of
of
condo
or
Town
Home
Building
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
why
we
don't
do
that.
I
would
love
to
see
us
do
more
of
that,
because
then
we
would
have
more
property
owners
in
the
city
when
we're
building
out
these
multi-unit
things,
but
we
have
some
real
severe
structural
imbalances.
A
I
understand
what
you're
saying
what
what
I
would
change
that
to
say
something
different
I
would
I
would
say
that
it
is.
It
is
not
okay,
I
agree
with
you
completely
I
think
this
is
what
you're
saying
that
the
dollar
doesn't
go
as
far
as
it
used
to,
and
so
the
numbers
the
numbers
are
irrelevant,
the
amount
nope
just.
Let
me
finish
Kevin
when.
A
I
understand
that
I
do
and
what
I'm
saying
is,
if,
if
how
many
of
you
worked
for
minimum
wage,
when
you
were
a
kid
but
yeah,
we
all
did
right
shout
out
some
numbers
for
me,
my
first
job
3.25
cents
an
hour
a
dollar
an
hour,
two
books,
two
bucks
for
you,
too.
Okay
right
now,
minimum
wage.
You
know
federally
is
7.25
cents.
A
Could
you
live
on
seven
dollars
and
25
cents
by
the
way?
The
number?
If
we
go
to
15,
which
I
know
you've,
heard
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
15
minimum
wage?
If
you've
done
the
math,
you
know
that
the
equivalent
of
fifteen
dollars
an
hour
for
a
normal
40
hour
work
week
is
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
which
is
half
the
number
I
just
told
you
is
half
the
median
income
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
so
so
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
affordable.
F
F
A
You're,
absolutely
right
so,
but
do
the
math
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say
like.
If,
if
you
were,
if
you
were
living
on
15
an
hour
today,
you
would
be
bringing
home
or
you'd
be
grossing.
Sorry,
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
You
couldn't
afford
a
home
in
Bloomington.
You
couldn't
afford
a
home
in
Minneapolis.
You
couldn't
afford
a
home
one.
A
No,
which
is
why,
which
is
why
we're
trying
to
do
affordable
housing
in
the
rental
market
is
what
I'm
getting
to
affordable
housing
in
the
rental
market
is
really
important,
because
otherwise
we
wouldn't
have
people
in
those
Kim
in
our
community.
That
would
do
those
minimum
wage
jobs
and
we
need
them.
If
you
want
to
go
to
a
restaurant,
you
need
them.
If
you
want
to
go
to
a
gas
station
and
have
somebody
clerk
for
you,
you
need
them.
If
you
want
to
go
to
get
your
dry
cleaning
done,
you
need
them.
A
That
is
not.
That
is
not
always
true.
I
appreciate
your
vote
of
confidence.
I
love
that,
for
you,
I
can
tell
you
that
my
mom
at
age
53
was
working
at
McDonald's
for
three
dollars
and
forty
cents
an
hour,
so
it
doesn't
always
work
out
that
way.
A
H
Question
ready:
what
was
the
methodology
of
the
poll
conducted
that
showed
a
majority
of
Bloomington
residents
favored
a
sales
tax
question
mark
the
results
seem
hard
to
believe,
considering
how
inflation
is
impacting
residents
who
did
they
pull
within
the
city?
Certain
zip
codes,
demographics,
Etc
question
mark.
Do
you
feel
this
is
a
valid
poll?
And
why
this
last
week
during
the
council
meeting,
there
was
a
discussion
about
why
two
recent
National
Community
surveys
conducted
showed
significant
differences
in
outcome.
A
Yeah
yeah
fan
of
polling
in
the
sense
that
it,
if
it's
done
by
an
organization
like
the
one
that
did
this
poll,
they
know
what
they're
doing
they're
statistically
valid
they've
been
used
all
over
the
state
of
Minnesota,
our
Bloomington
Public
School
System
uses
them
as
well.
You
know
so
I
trust
the
methodology.
A
The
methodology
itself
was
random,
sampling
of
440
I,
think
residents
in
the
city
I
don't
think
that
they
explicitly
went
by
demographics
of
any
particular
type
that
we
gave
them,
and
so
it
was
truly
a
random
sample,
and
you
know
that's
how
statistics
oftentimes
work
if
you're
trying
to
get
to
plus
or
minus
five
percent,
you
use
four
four
you
use
440
or
so
people
and
I
asked
that
question
if
you're
interested.
A
If
you
go
back
to
the
council
meeting
where
that
actually
went
on
when
we
talked
about
it,
I
asked
that
question
like
what
what's
the
reason
for
that
number
versus
any
other
number,
and
the
gentleman
who
was
with
the
company
gave
an
answer
on
that.
So
it's
worth
looking
into
I
I
do
I
believe
that
circumstances,
especially
volatile
circumstances
stances
like
the
up
and
down
of
our
of
our
prices
and
other
things
like
that.
Do
have
a
some
impact
on
you
know,
depending
on
the
question
right.
H
H
A
I
mean
I
think
that
there's
a
really
interesting
question.
You
know
I've
asked
when
I
first
got
on
to
council.
One
of
the
questions
I
asked
was,
you
know:
is
there
a
somewhere
between
fire
and
police?
Is
there
room
for
like
medical
right
and
could
we
could
we
look
at
that?
I'm,
not
sure
you
know
number
one.
All
of
our
firefighters
are
medically
trained.
It's
part
of
their
requirement
right,
so
I
feel
very
confident
that
they
can
handle
medical.
A
You
know
calls
and-
and
we
don't
have
an
ambulance
service
here
in
the
city
of
Bloomington.
We
we
have
that
you
know
farmed
out
to
the
folks
at
Allina
who
manage
things
regionally,
so
it
would
be
really
I
think
a
pretty
big
investment
for
us
to
go
to.
Oh,
we
want
some
kind
of
an
EMT
service
or
something
like
that.
It
can
be
looked
at,
but
it
would
cut.
It
would
require
investment
in
in
doing
that.
So
I
don't
know
Chief.
A
H
We
had
a
service
evaluation
as
part
of
the
council's
effort
to
have
all
our
services
in
the
city
evaluated
and
the
direction
we're
moving
was
a
result
in
part
of
that
study.
So,
okay,.
A
H
A
Oh
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
it's
a
good
idea.
Put
that
one
aside
we'll
take
it
to
we'll
take
it
to
the
group.
Bernadette
would
be
very
interested
in
that.
So
I
understand
why
that
would
be
valuable.
My
hope
would
be
that
if
the
inspection
happened
that
they
would
be
like
Yay
you
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
get
it
on
to
get
it.
Maybe
we
can
track
it.
I
like
that
idea.
A
Okay,
so
I
know
that
there
was
some
question
recently
about
whether
or
not
we
as
a
city
changed
an
ordinance
to
allow
panhandling
or
anything
like
that.
That's
not
what
happened.
There
was
no
there's
no
change
to
any
ordinance
or
anything
like
that.
What
happened
was
every
once
in
a
while.
Something
goes
to
a
court
case
or
something
goes
through
a
legal
system
at
the
state
level
and
and
there's
a
there's,
a
clarification.
That's
that's
sent
out
about
you
know
what
is
and
is
not
protected
speech.
A
Okay,
and
so
what
happened
was
our
attorney
got
the
information
from
her
people
and
presented
it
to
the
police
folk
so
that
they
knew
what
the
clarifications
were,
and
here
are
the
clarifications.
The
act
of
begging
for
money
is
considered
protected
speech.
A
It's
basically
soliciting
your
Goodwill
okay
and
that's
protected
speech
under
the
First
Amendment.
Now
there
are
other
things
that
can
come
with
begging
for
money
that
can
be
considered
illegal,
so,
for
example,
harassment,
right
or
loitering,
or
trespassing
on
property
those
kinds
of
things,
so
in
conjunction
with
begging
for
money.
A
You
know
it's
one
of
those
transient
problems
that
we
have
again
related
to
affordability,
but
you
know
it's
it's.
It
doesn't
get
solved
by
the
city
without
working
together
with
all
the
other
services
and
everything
like
that.
But
until
then
you
know
pay
attention
if
they're
harassing
you,
if
they're
coming
up
on
your
lawn
unlawfully,
you
know
if,
if
you
don't
want
them
there
and
you've
told
them
to
go
away
and
they
keep
coming
back
or
if
you're,
a
small
business
owner
and
you've
told
them
to
go
away.
H
A
Okay,
yeah
so
I
know
that
met
council
is
we
use,
met
Council
data
for
a
number
of
the
the
forecasting
that
we
do.
We
get
that
from
the
U.S
census
as
well.
If
you
go
to
the
U.S
census
website,
you
can
look
at
their
10
years
10-year
plans,
but
then
you
can
also
look
at
like
their
one-year
projections
and
that
that
basically
informs
what
met
council
is
using
as
well
so
from
what
I
recall
and
I
apologize.
H
Ready
yeah,
World,
Trade
Expo,
the
article
in
the
star
and
tribute
last
weekend
was
not
in
favor
of
Bloomington
hosting
I
quote
officials
from
the
bureau
International
were
here,
and
they
were
up
front
that
Expo
2027
would
be
a
public-private
partnership.
Details
were
not
provided,
but
the
implication
was
clear.
Taxpayers
will
be
among
those
on
the
hook.
If
Expo
fails
to
meet
attendance
and
revenue
projections,
should
the
city
be
asking
residents
if
they
truly
want
this
here
question
mark
and
not
just
making
their
own
decisions.
Okay,.
A
So
again,
like
I
said
earlier:
it's
not
really
solely
up
to
us.
It
is
a
function
of
our
U.S
Department
of
State,
our
U.S
Department
of
Commerce,
as
well
as
Minnesota's
leadership,
both
at
the
government
Governor
level
and
also
at
the
U.S,
Senate
and
and
Congress
level.
Right
so
fair
question
about
whether
or
not
we
should
be
asking
for
it
I.
You
know,
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
get
a
choice.
A
I'll
be
candid
with
you
all
that
having
been
said,
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
worth
us
thinking
about
this
a
little
differently,
okay
and
and
by
the
way
there
was
a
Star
Tribune
article
right
after
that.
That
was
very
much
in
favor
of
it.
So
this
is
where
we're
at.
We
have
people
who,
like
it
and
people
who
don't
like
it
and
I,
get
it
and
I,
don't
know
what
you
know,
depending
on
which
way
you
feel
about
it.
A
You're
gonna,
lean
towards
the
things
that
reinforce
your
opinions,
I
get
that
here's!
Here's
my
take
on
it
public-private
Partnerships
are
really
common.
There
is
a
separate
501c3
organization
set
up
right
to
manage
the
both
the
bid
and
there'll
be
another
one
set
up
to
manage
the
implementation
of
Expo.
A
Should
we
win
promise
you,
the
public
private
portion
of
this,
is
going
to
be
soliciting
all
of
the
major
donors
that
you
normally
would
think
of
your
Coca-Cola's
and
your
Pepsis
and
your
and
your
targets
and
your
you
know,
3ms
and
all
these
folks
that
that
are
corporations
who
put
money
into
these
things
for
the
purposes
of
location,
advertising,
placement
Etc
right.
That
is
a
public-private
partnership
by
the
way.
A
That's
what
that
you
know
so
so,
when
somebody
in
a
very
generic
way
says
public
private
Partnerships,
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it's
on
the
burden
of
all
taxpayers
I'll
also
suggest
that
sure
this,
the
U.S
Department
of
State,
will
probably
put
money
into
this.
So
will
the
state
of
Minnesota.
A
We
have
not
committed
to
any
funds
ourselves
as
a
city
of
Bloomington.
Now
the
more
money
they're
able
to
raise
the
less
we
have
to
even
worry
about,
but
I
would
also
say
that
there's
some
enduring
benefit
to
development
of
that
location.
That
will
probably
be
part
of
our
responsibility
so
think
about
this
when
when
we
go
in,
and
so
somebody
wants
to
develop
something
we
put
the
sewer
pipe
underneath
it
right,
we
we
connect
it
to
our
sewers.
We
draw
the
water
lines.
A
A
A
Some
of
that
is
ours
to
put
in
you
know
it
endures
after
the
fact,
so,
even
after
the
Expo
is
done,
buildings
that
are
there
that
are
enduring
the
city
of
Bloomington
will
be
able
to
use
the
infrastructure
underneath
there,
the
city
of
Bloomington
will
be
able
to
leverage
for
other
developments,
and
things
like
that,
so
I,
unfortunately
we're
four
years
out
and
we
haven't
even
won
yet.
So
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
still
coming
into
Focus.
Okay,.
H
According
to
a
recent
news,
article,
the
afrique
center
is
moving
ahead
after
the
CEO
is
indicted
in
feeding
our
future
question
mark.
Are
the
cities?
Are
the
city
leaders
at
all
concern
that
this
Center
may
have
been
paid
for
fraudulent
funds
stolen
from
the
taxpayers
for
feeding
our
future
question
mark?
Is
anyone
from
the
city
leadership
investigating
this
question?
Mark
okay,.
A
So
I'll
go
backwards,
no
nobody's
investigating
it,
because
from
our
perspective,
we
have
no
visibility
into
the
commercial
funds
of
a
commercial
Enterprise.
You
know
any
of
our
commercial
Enterprises
in
the
city
may
have
CEOs
that
do
bad
things.
If
you
recall,
Best
Buy
went
through
something
not
that
long
ago
right.
It's
not
like
the
city
of
Richfield,
also
all
of
a
sudden
investigated,
all
their
finances
or
other
things
like
that.
So
so
the
the
city
is
not
involved
in
the
financing
of
that
private
Enterprise.
A
We
have
not
committed
any
dollars
as
I
know
to
that
Enterprise.
Is
that
correct,
Jamie,
right
and-
and
you
know
from
our
perspective,
they
have
to
deal
with
like
ousting
their
CEO
and
whatever.
But
from
what
we've
been
told,
it's
an
ongoing
concern
and
they
plan
to
open
on
time,
and
the
only
thing
that
we
have
done
in
support
of
that
at
all
was
to
provide
a
definition
around
cultural
campus,
which
is
actually
useful
anywhere
in
the
city.
A
D
The
world
next
little
thing:
I,
just
I,
just
look
at
these
projections
and
whenever
you're
going,
you
know
five
or
seven
years
out.
That's
that's
a
long
ways
and
it's
hard
for
anybody
to
get
their
hands
around
that
when
we
started
this
when.
D
Like
the
water
park
and
helping
with
the
parking
area
or
whatever
around
the
mall,
we're
gonna
rains
we're
at
three
percent.
We
weren't
in
this
heavy
time
of
we
hadn't
even
started
with
it
and
what's
happened
is
there's
no
way
any
reasonable
person.
Look
at
what
the
projections
would
be
as
far
as
for
people.
That
would
come
to
an
event
like
that,
because
they
don't
have
the
money
to
be
able
to
do
that.
D
Why
every
single
expense
as
half
has
to
increase
the
the
cost
of
the
money,
the
cost
of
the
construction,
the
cost
of
every
single
thing
has
gone.
Every
single
metric
has
gone
the
wrong
way,
yet
we
still
think
that
we're
you
know
I'll,
let
let
us
let's
go
we're
all
all
hands
on
deck.
It's
going
to
be
something
that's
just
like
the
light
rail
transit
to
the
West,
we're
going
to
be
going
home.
I
guess
this
didn't
quite
work
out
the
way
that
we
thought
so.
D
Should
be
simple
enough
to
understand
if
it
made
sense
to
us
three
years
ago
and
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
every
way
to
make
that
happen.
Well,
every
single
metric
has
gone
the
wrong
direction.
Shouldn't
we
be
bright
enough
to
say
you
know
what
let's
leave
it
to
the
people
in
Spain.
Let's
leave
it
to
whoever
you
know.
Things
are
good
here
they
keep
on
talking
about
this
vacant
land.
You
know
it's
been
thinking
for
30
years
and
it's
not
our
best
possible
use.
A
I
I
can't
argue
with
some
of
your
conjecture
there,
in
the
sense
that
you
know
I
I
agree
with
you
that
those
numbers
should
be
rerun,
often
right
they
should
they
should
be
rerun
with
the
notion
of
of
you
know
the
latest
in
in
projections
around
inflation,
the
latest
in
projections
around
population,
the
latest
in
projection
around
GDP
I
mean
I,
agree
with
you,
I
mean
I.
I
would
have
to
think
that
the
U.S
Department
of
Commerce
knows
how
to
do
that.
A
Well,
okay,
I
I,
appreciate
that
you
don't
think
so,
but
I'm
gonna
bet
with
them
and
I
don't
mean
that
to
be
dismissive
I'm.
Just
saying
that,
like
we
have
to
at
some
point,
trust
that
there
are
experts
with
our
best
interests
in
mind
who
are
looking
at
these
things
now,
if
that
is
not
the
case,
I'll
raise
my
hand
right
next
to
yours
and
say:
hey
well,
you're,
going
to
raise
your
hand
to
vote
for
it.
A
H
A
A
Okay,
so
that's
in
the
budget
for
2024
I
believe
and
it's
a
it's
a
big
deal
you
all.
Hopefully
some
of
you
provided
input
to
that.
I'm
super
excited
about
it
because
it's
my
home
park
I
live
at
87th
and
Emerson.
So
it's
the
one
I
walk
to
every
day.
The
intent
of
the
development
there
is
threefold:
one
is
to
stabilize
and
rejuvenate
the
natural
spaces
associated
with
the
park.
That
is
probably
one
of
the
the
most
naturally
occurring
water
basins
that
we
have
in
in
Bloomington.
A
When
I
got
the
chance
to
talk
with
Jack
distal
about
it,
you
know
he
he
wants
to
try
to
turn
it
into
as
close
to
what
it
was
back
in
the
1940s
before
the
development
happened.
So
that's
very
cool.
A
In
addition
to
that,
then
there's
a
reimagining
of
the
facilities
that
are
there
so
the
questions
about
whether
or
not
there
still
should
be.
You
know
three
or
four
diamonds,
tennis
courts,
maybe
plus
pickleball
courts.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing
and
then
there's
the
infrastructure.
A
You
know
it
doesn't
have
a
bathroom
right
now
that
that's
open
and
available
both
outside
and
inside,
and
so
the
maintenance
building
that
you,
if
you
know
about
it,
that's
there
is
going
to
get
redone.
It'll
also
include
some
Community
spaces,
and
one
of
the
cool
things
about
that
is
the
folks
in
coed
are
already
thinking
about
how
to
use
our
Police
Department
to
create
some
kind
of
you
know
after
school
in
park
type.
You
know,
programming
and
things
like
that
for
youth
in
that
area.
A
Yeah
good
question
is
the
way
that
the
Lost
function
works
right,
local
option,
sales
tax,
the
way
that
that
works
is
that
we
we
get
to
do
it
over
a
course
of,
is
it
20
years
or
30
years,
Jamie
up
to
20
yeah,
it's
up
to
20
years.
So
essentially,
what
we
need
to
do
is
project
that
we
can.
A
The
truth,
is
you
guys
get
to
vote
on
that
so
after
we
go
to
this
after
we
go
to
the
state
and
we
ask
for
permission
to
put
a
sales
tax
out
there
in
the
first
place
for
each
individual
project,
the
city
of
Bloomington
residents
have
to
vote
to
it,
be
okay
for
us
to
do
that.
So
there
are
four
of
them.
You
get
the
chance
to
vote
on
each
one
of
them
individually.
So
if
you
only
like
two
of
them,
you
only
have
to
vote
for
two
of
them.
B
H
B
E
A
Election,
no,
it
has
to
pass
it
good
question.
It
has
to
pass
the
legislature
first
and,
and
so,
if
it
does,
we
would
try
to
get
it
on
the
ballot
for
the
2023
election.
A
Oh
okay,
so
one
Monograms
that
are
as
part
of
the
blooming
imagining
of
the
Health
and
Wellness
Center
right
that
would
take
place
on
on
Creekside.
So
the
the
in
case
anybody's
wondering
no
more
value.
Do
you
play
Lots?
That's
not
happening
right,
we're
looking
at
how
to
renovate
and
and
Revitalize
Creekside
Community
Center.
That
would
be
where
we
would
have
both
Community
Center
for
seniors,
as
well
as
other
programming,
and
also
the
public
health
services
would
go
into
that
building
as
well.
I'll
try
to
Rapid
Fire
some
of.
A
Is
the
long-term
answer
or
the
short
answer
to
that
they're,
not
part
of
the
upgrade
there's
no
funding
for
the
the
Civic
Plaza
upgrade
that
we're
asking
for
as
part
of
the
sales
tax,
there's
no
funding
for
Artistry
or
any
other
Civic,
or
a
Community
Arts
organization
embedded
in
that
that
is
simply
a
structural
update
to
add
a
theater
so
that
we
can
have
a
symphony
and
an
art
and
a
theater
production
happen
at
the
same
time,
because,
right
now
we
can't
right.
So
that's
really
what
it's
about
is.
A
We
have
all
kinds
of
of
conflicts
between
our
Bloomington
Symphony
Orchestra
and
our
Artistry
Productions
or
our
other
Productions,
because
once
you
set
up
a
theater
thing,
it's
up
for
six
weeks,
you
can't
tear
it
down
and
up
again
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
the
goal
is
to
expand
it.
So
we
could
do
that
kind
of
programming
more
regularly.
Yes,.
A
I
don't
know
James,
do
you
know
anything
about
yeah,
okay,
it's
up
to
them,
they're,
probably
out
there,
because
we
don't
have
place
for
them
here.
So
if
we
did
build
one
they
would
come,
I
would
assume
yeah
did
I
answer.
I
did
answer
all
that:
okay.
B
H
A
Yes,
so
yes,
I,
like
I,
said
I'm,
not
voting
for
something
that's
ten
and
a
half
percent,
so
I'm
working
on
lowering
it
along
with
the
rest
of
the
council,
but
why
don't
you
and
I
sit
after
this
is
over
and
we
can
do
the
specific
math.
If
that's
okay
with
you,
would
that
be
okay,
all
right,
great
I'm,
happy
to
stay
after
class
on
that
one
yeah
yeah,
of
course,
isn't.
A
I,
probably
yes,
hands
of
people
who
have
liked
it
so
far.
Today,
all
right
people
who
are
disappointed
besides
Kevin,
just
you
Kevin,
so
I-
think
we're
okay
go
ahead.
E
H
A
Yeah
really
good
question
I
know
that
this
has
been
controversial
for
people.
I
understand
that
I
am
a
huge
fan
of
Organics
recycling,
because
I
know
it
has
a
lot
of
benefits
both
to
from
an
environmental
perspective
where
we
don't
burn
that
stuff
instead,
but
I,
don't
know
if
you
are
familiar
with
the
fact
that
wet
garbage
is
a
lot
more
difficult
to
incinerate
than
dry
garbage,
and
so
it's
actually
not
providing
the
benefit
that
it
would
if
we
only
put
dry
garbage
into
the
hurt.
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
of
work
being
done
on
this
all
that
to
be
said,
the
much
like
all
other
city
services
like
your
trash
services,
like
your
road,
you
know,
services
like
all
of
those
things.
We
spread
the
Citywide
Services
across
the
entire
city
to
try
to
meet
the
cost
of
it
low
for
as
low
as
possible
for
everyone.
A
If
you're,
not
using
Organics
recycling
I
would
prefer
to
try
it
I
would
give
it
a
gold
College,
try
I
think
you'd
really
appreciate
the
benefits
there.
Having
said
that,
we
have
asked-
and
you
can
just
look
at
this-
it
either
came
up
last
week,
a
Monday
night
or
the
Monday
night
before
we
have
asked
those
the
folks
within
Public
Works,
to
look
at
alternatives
for
the
way
that
we
pay
for
all
of
those
services.
A
And
specifically,
could
we
offer
the
option
for
people
to
go
to
and
every
other
week
pick
up
and
that
would
be
for
garbage,
as
well
as
as
Recycling
and
stuff
like
that,
so
so
I
I
totally
get
it.
I
really
do
I
mean
I'm
by
myself.
Right
now
my
wife
lives
in
Mississippi
right
now,
I'm,
the
only
person
in
my
house
I
generate
maybe
one
bag
of
garbage
every
other
week,
right,
yeah
and
I
know.
A
So
many
of
our
seniors
are
like
that,
if
they're
by
themselves
in
their
home
or
it's
just
the
two
of
them
in
a
home
they're
not
generating
the
garbage
they
did
when
they
were
families
of
five
and
six
I
I
completely
get
this.
This
is
a
practical
problem.
I
don't
know
if
we
can
solve
it,
but
we've
asked
for
help
and
so
we're
going
to
take
a
look.
We're
going
to
do
some
studies
and
we're
gonna
see
what
we
can
come
up
with.
A
H
E
G
A
I
I
completely
understand
it.
It
was
an
issue
that
came
up
like
truly
while
I
was
campaigning
in
door.
Knocking
with
people
I
mean
I
can
tell
you.
I
can
name
off
at
least
six
people
in
my
neighborhood
who
have
this
exact
problem.
So
it's
important
to
me
and
I
I'm
glad
we're
looking
into
it.
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
will
be,
but
it
we
I
think
we
can
do
better
than
what
we're
doing
right
now
for
sure.
A
H
B
B
H
A
H
A
Okay,
so
I'll
answer
the
second
one.
First
and
you'll
have
to
remind
me
that
the
first
one
is
again
just
because,
because
I
I
care
about
this
a
lot
so
two
things
on
on
salaries.
The
first
thing
to
note
is
that
we,
actually,
if
you
look
at
2016
the
total
number
of
employees
and
and
last
year
when
I
did
the
math
and
I
actually
put
something
out
about
this.
We
actually
are
down
employees
over
year
over
year,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
more
employees.
A
I,
don't
I,
understand
the
question
around
salaries,
though,
and
and
truthfully
we
are
the
fourth
largest
city
in
Minnesota.
We
are
competing
with
very
highly
talented
and
capable
people,
they
have
lots
of
places
they
can
go
and
we
need
to
be
competitive
in
our
salaries.
Candidly,
like
that's
just
the
truth.
Now.
Having
said
that,
you
know,
depending
on
how
you
do
the
math,
you
can
argue
whether
we're
overpaying
or
underpaying,
but
I'm
in
the
commercial
I'm.
A
In
the
you
know,
commercial
business
today
I
know
it's
salaries
across
I'm
hiring
right
now
for
somebody
to
work.
For
me,
I
know
what
the
the
salaries
are
out.
There
and
I
know
what
people
are
willing
to
to
take
a
job
for,
and
if
you
don't
want
the
city
to
run
as
well
as
it
does,
which
everybody
has
said
it.
It
runs
good,
like
I
mean
you
think
about
Public
Works
y'all
love
the
water,
you
love
the
snow
plowing,
you
know
we
we
do,
we
do.
A
We
are
a
good
city
that
way
those
people
work
for
us
and
they
need
to
be
paid
and
they
need
to
get
services
from
the
city
like
you
would
want
if
you
were
at
working
today.
So
if
you
would,
if
you
were
working
and
you
wanted
paid
medical
leave
well,
then
our
city
staff,
it
makes
sense,
they
would
want
it
too,
or
if
you
wanted
to
get
paid.
You
know
a
median.
You
know
a
consum
commensurate
with
what
other
people
are
being
paid
from
a
salary
parity
perspective.
You
would
want
that.
A
You
wouldn't
want
our
people
to
have
it
too,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
think
stop
thinking
about
them
as
an
entity
in
a
line
item
and
realize
that
they're
people
who
are
doing
a
job-
and
this
is
their
career
and
we
want
their
career
to
be
a
positive
experience.
And
if
we
do
that,
I
think
we
can
change
a
little
bit
of
our
concerns
around.
Are
we
paying
them
too
much?
My
opinion.
A
They
said
up
front
because
they
believed
that
they
could
be
more
consistent,
it
would
it
could
cost
less
and
they
would
find
more
hazards
which
would
make
the
housing
stock
in
Bloomington
a
better
quality.
So
that
was
the
reasoning
behind
the
decision.
Now
we
asked
them
to
come
back
and
give
us
data
that
suggests
that's
true
or
not
true,
and
that
just
happened
on
Monday's
meeting.
So
if
you
get
the
chance
to
look
at
Monday's
meeting,
you'll
see
the
numbers
and
the
truth
is,
for
the
most
part.
That's
exactly
what
happened.
A
A
In
addition
to
that,
they
didn't
get
a
lot
of
survey
results,
but
the
surveys
results
that
they
did
get
were
overwhelmingly
positive
in
terms
of
the
level
of
service
that
was
provided
by
the
employees
so
I
whole
I,
highly
recommend
you
look
at
the
presentation
in
the
packet
from
Monday
or
you
watch
the
the
council
portion
of
the
of
the
meeting
on
that
topic.
And
then,
if
you
have
any
questions
you
can,
let
me
know.
H
A
Kraus
Anderson
is
the
commercial
property
developer
for
that
area,
and
so
that
deal
would
have
been
between
Kraus,
Anderson
and
HyVee,
and
you
could
spec.
We
could
all
sit
here
and
speculate
on.
Why
that
didn't
go
through,
but
I
I
don't
know
the
answer
and
I
don't
we
will
not
know
the
answer
because
again,
commercial
Enterprises
are
private
businesses
and
we
don't
get
involved
in
that
stuff.
So
unfortunately,
I
don't
know
the
answer,
but
I
would
love
to
have
it
there.
If
it
comes,
I
can
tell
you
that
absolutely.
H
A
Okay,
so
two
things
on
that
there
there's
back
back
in
the
spring
of
2022,
when
I
first
got
on
Council
Ann
catry
from
our
parks
department
did
come
and
ask
us
for
some
help
right.
There
were
some
problems
with
recruitment.
We
put
in
some
bonuses
to
try
to
encourage
people
to
come
in
and
we
did
raise
the
hourly
minimum.
There
I
believe
that
we're
probably
going
to
put
that
into
the
2023
budget
as
well.
So
you
know
I
know
that
it
wasn't
a
great
experience
because
we
were
down
counselors.
A
If
you
know
any
kids
who
want
to
work.
These
are
great
jobs,
working
for
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
they
do
pay
well
and
they
are
fun
and
helpful
to
the
community.
So
by
all
means
send
your
kids
grandkids.
You
know
God
God
children,
you
know
nephews,
nieces,
whatever
send
them
our
way
and
we'll
treat
them
good,
but
the
that's
really
what
happened
and
so
yes,
I
think.
The
short
answer
to
that
question
is
yes.