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A
So
I
want
to
start
everyone
off
by
our
land
acknowledgement,
so
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
ancestral
cultural,
traditional
and
unseated
territory
of
the
shoshon
bannik
and
northern
paiute
people
on
which
we
are
meeting
today
and
I
just
got
done
reading
a
book
that
talked
a
lot
about
the
shoshone
and
banning
so
I'm
it's
refreshed
my
appreciation
and
knowledge
of
that.
A
So
we
have
our
minutes
from
last
meeting
from
two
months
ago
and
like
to
to
just
make
sure
everyone
has
reviewed
those
minutes
and
we
can
discuss
or
move
to
approve
those
minutes.
A
A
All
those
opposed
the
nice
habits
so
moved,
so
we
wanted
to
to
take
a
moment
to
do
introductions
and
amber
I'll
leave
it
up
to
you.
If
we
want
to
do
broader
introductions,
I
know
for
sure
that
we
we
have
a
cat
here
so
I'll.
Let
you
do
that.
C
Sure,
since
we
have
a
robust
agenda
and
we've
just
lost
12
minutes
to
it,
land
I'll
go
ahead
and
just
allow
cat
to
introduce
our
herself
or
their
self
cat
has
now
been
with
us.
It's.
C
Fourth
week,
four
weeks,
four
whole
weeks
and
is
the
executive
assistant,
so
you'll
definitely
hear
more
from
them
and
the
corresponding
butt
cat
would
please
take
a
moment
if
you
would
like
to
say
just
how
you
came
to
be
within
our
department.
E
Sure
so
I'm
kat
they
them
pronouns.
I
am
originally
from
oregon.
I
graduated
from
boise
state
with
my
bachelor's
in
creative
writing
in
2018
from
the
honors
college,
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
arts
theater
some
writing
scenes
here
in
town.
So
that
kind
of
naturally
drew
me
to
this
group,
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here
and
it's
very
nice
to
meet
you
and
everyone
else,
nice
to
have.
A
You
there
thank
you,
okay,
so
we
do
have
a
few.
A
Topics
on
the
agenda
so
quickly.
I
think
we
want
to
move
to
some
updates
on
history
tour
scene.
Yes,.
C
And
actually
it
says
my
name,
but
I
am
going
to
hand
it
over
to
travis
because
he's
doing
the
the
hard
work
on
this
and
he
can
apprise
everybody
about
the
walking
tours
program.
G
G
It
will
be
a
pilot
program
for
fiscal
year,
2022,
hopefully
rolling
it
out
in
a
more
robust
sense
in
2023
fiscal
year
2023,
and
what
we're
doing
is
attempting
to
partner
with
parks
and
recreation,
to
sort
of
leverage,
some
of
their
fiscal
infrastructure,
to
incorporate
that
into
our
capabilities
right
to
provide
the
residents
of
boise
with
the
walking
tour
experience
of
which,
according
to
our
education
and
outreach
specialist
jennifer
weibar.
G
Here
there
is
robust
demand
for
walking
tours
in
the
city
of
boise,
and
there
we
have
a
lot
of
content,
a
lot
of
history,
a
lot
of
public
art
that
we
want
to
showcase
and
show
off
around
the
city
and
we're
really
excited
to
bring
that
to
the
public
both
to
residents
here
in
boise
and
also
visitors,
to
put
some
of
that
history
on
display
right
and
also
to
teach
some
important
historical
narratives
right
and
how
that
ties
into
current
circumstances
and
predicaments.
G
We
find
ourselves
in
the
here
and
now
so
it's
an
educational
program
that
we're
excited
about,
and
it's
just
getting
off
the
ground.
Now
we're
kind
of
in
the
discussion
phases
but
happy
to
update
you
all
further
as
the
process
unfolds.
C
And
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
just
in
case
any
of
the
commissioners
had
question
on
on
existing
programs
that
are
out
there.
We've
been
in
contact
with
preservation,
idaho,
so
we
know
there's
things
that
community
partners
do
really
really
well
that
we
don't
want
to
repeat.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
it's
complementary
to
those
programs.
So
we've
already
talked
to
preservation,
idaho.
C
We
actually
had
preliminary
discussions
with
the
united
states
historical
society
to
potentially
partner
on
something
so
we're
very
sensitive
to
that,
and
then
also
very,
very
open
to
what
other
partnerships
would
be
there
so
again
that
we're
not
repeating
things
that
preservation
is
doing.
Art
blocks
very,
very
well.
We're
not
gonna
we're
gonna,
not
gonna
duplicate
that,
but
whatever
we
would
do
could
compliment
those
those
programs
so
that'd
be
the
only
other
thing
that
we're
doing.
G
C
G
That's
a
good
question,
so
I
think
that
they're
distinct
as
we're
envisioning
them
now
could
there
be
some
overlap.
Potentially
that's
going
to
be
a
conversation
between
stephanie
and
ellen
and
myself
and
caitlyn,
and
amber,
of
course
right.
But
this
is
a
pilot
program
and
it's
kind
of
specific
to
the
history
division
for
right
now,
so
myself
and
caitlin
hopklander
who's,
the
history
programs
assistant
and
it's
just
something
that
we're
trying
out.
G
We
have
high
hopes
for
it,
but
there's
no
plans,
as
of
this
moment
to
you,
know,
incorporate
art
into
public
art,
write
the
program
into
these
particular
walking
programs.
It
is
something
that's
specific
to
the
history
division,
okay,.
G
Another
good
question
and
that's
something
that
we'll
have
to
flesh
out
right
in
our
sort
of
proposal.
We
have
a
very
preliminary
proposal
that
we
sent
to
parks
and
rec
and
which
you
know
is
now
going
toward
to
budget
approval
and
stuff
like
that
going
through
that
process.
So
the
next
phase
in
the
process
will
be
envisioning.
What
the
program
will
actually
look
like.
You
know
what
portions
of
boise
are
we
going
to
feature
right,
but
also
who
the
partners
might
be
and
also
how
that
integrates.
A
With
our
other
programs
involving
tours
great
questions,
thank
you
so
much
so
I
have
just
a
comment
that
some
of
the
few
of
us
left
that
were
part
of
the
tours
that
we
did
back
at
the
a
long
time
ago,
geez
nine
years
ago
that
were
so.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
some
learnings
there.
A
Oh,
can
I
sorry
before
I
do
that
so
for
for
the
new
commissioners,
this
is,
and
you
saw
that
in
the
agenda,
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
topic
that
we
will.
We
intend
to
take
a
vote
on
today,
and
so
when
we
do
that,
then
I'll
get
to
that
point
that
I'll
just
walk
through
the
process.
B
Ask
questions
so,
thank
you
sure,
all
right,
so
we
have
an
offering
of
a
donation
of
an
art
piece
from
kiersten
fairlong
who
she
has.
B
This
piece
is
a
traffic
box,
art
wrap
which
is
located
on
9th
between
idaho
and
maine,
so
she's,
offering
the
original
artwork
that
she
made
into
the
traffic
box
art
wrap,
which
would
be
a
great
addition
to
our
collection.
I
think
to
have
her
original
art
piece
information.
It's
an
ink
and
colored
pencil
on
wood
veneer.
It's
framed
and
matted.
She
said
it
was
worth
about
five
hundred
dollars,
but
I'm
guessing
it's
probably
worth
a
little
bit
more.
B
Yes,
I
believe
we
have
a
few
other
original
artworks
in
the
collection.
I
think
something
to
note
the
traffic
box-
art
wraps,
don't
last
forever.
So
eventually
you
know
it
will
it
will
aid
well
and
we'll
have
to
de-exception
it
so
having
the
original
artwork
in
the
collection
is
another
way
to
keep
it
in
perpetuity.
A
Yeah
and
and
in
that
program
the
artists
that
are
selected,
that
work
is
essentially
licensed
from
the
artist.
So
that
is
the
standard
operating
procedures.
They
keep
the
original
artwork.
We
we
pay
them
for
the
license
and
then,
as
stephanie
said,
that
lasts
for
a
period
of
time,
depending
on
physical
condition
of
pieces.
F
H
Hi
I
just
had
like
a
process
question:
if
anyone
that
did
their
traffic
box
wanted
to
submit
it
to
the
collection,
would
that
be
some?
Would
that
would
we
be
open
to
that?
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
what
what
that,
what
that
looks
like
and
and
why
this
particular
piece.
I
think
that
would
help
me
a
little
bit.
I
can't
quite
remember
all
of
the
processes
for
the
collection.
So
that's
my
way
of
saying:
can
you
help
me
out
with
my
very
bad
memory.
B
I
think
the
only
reason
why
this
one
came
about
was
because
kirsten
offered
it,
and
that
doesn't
always
happen.
I
think
the
the
linen
fence
is
an
example
where
we
do
currently
keep
the
artwork
that
is
submitted
because
it
is
usually
an
original
artwork.
Is
that
kind
of
what
you
were
asking
if
there's
a
president?
To
always,
I
think
something
yeah.
I
have
that
follow-up
question
based
on
what
amanda
is
asking.
F
B
I
B
Yeah,
that's
an
interesting
question
too,
because
just
because
we
own
an
original
artwork
doesn't
mean
we
have
the
the
license
or
the
permission
to
be
able
to
reproduce
it.
So.
A
H
H
B
Sure
we
can.
We
can
definitely
add
that
to
the
description
when
it's
cataloged
and
I
think
we
are
hoping
to
move
toward
putting
our
collection
online
at
least
to
have
you
know
a
public-facing
component,
where
people
can
view
what
we
have
and
a
description
about,
why
we
have
it
and
what
it
is.
Thank
you.
C
John,
so
I
think
also
when
I'm,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
amanda
and
I
think
this
is
more
making
sure
this
is
what
you're
saying
sort
of
what
are
the
standards.
So
when
the
the
commission
can
have
really
specific
specifications
of
this
is
worth
putting
in,
and
you
know,
you're
the
one.
That's
really
gonna
offer
that,
like
here's,
why
this
one's
special?
You
know
this
medium,
it's
not
something
or
if
something's
really
large,
we
literally
can't
put
it
in
with
our
collection
or
something
like
that.
So.
G
H
I
think
it's
standards
for
sure
and
also
like,
if
there's
context,
that
this
is
a
particularly
important
corner
like
in
boise's
history
and
so
being
able
to
hold
that
particular
piece
or
this
artist
is
a
particularly
prolific
public
artist
for
whatever
it
is
both
standards
about
the
piece,
but
also
some
broader
context
about
why
the
piece
from
this
location
in
particular
moving
forward.
May
it
also
may
help
us
make
some
choices
too
about
what
all
gets
included
from
from
that
kind
of
installation.
B
Yeah
all
right,
so
we
I
am
working
too.
This
is
another
like
side
note,
but
it
has
to
do
with
this.
For
collections
policy
in
terms
of
public
art
and
how
we
bring
stuff
into
the
collection,
I
think,
will
help
clarify
what
we
accession
and
what
we
don't.
I
wouldn't
say
that
the
location
of
this
has
anything
to
do
with
it,
but
kirsten
furlong
is
she's
at
bsu,
and
so
she
is
a
fairly
well-known
artist
and
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
have
her
piece
in
the
collection.
K
I
was,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
I
request
that
legal
be
involved
in
when
we
do
get
to
the
point
of
accepting
the
donation.
If
there's
gonna
be
a
donation
agreement
or
anything
like
that,
so
we
can
define
the
scope
of
the
city's
use
and
license
and
whatever
is
going
to
follow.
A
Okay,
so
with
that
again,
the
the
process
here
is
for
the
commission
to
consider
and
move
to
make
a
motion
or
or
not
so,
would
anyone
like
to
to
follow
stephanie's
request.
K
F
K
A
Okay,
great
so,
we've
got
through
part
a
and
part
b
of
our
agenda
now
we're
on
part
c,
which
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
introduce
some
topics,
and
so
this
is
for
discussion
and
then
potentially
making
some
promotions
later.
A
We
have
not
been
able
to
meet
for
really
a
couple
years
with
just
a
couple
of
small
exceptions
and
even
our
you
know,
amanda
and
melissa.
Both
you
know,
they've
been
on
the
commission
for
a
while,
but
kind
of
we've
had
a
very
really
relaxed.
Let's
see
low
volume
of
work,
let's
just
call
it
that
right.
A
So
in
spirit
of
having
so
many
changes,
it's
really
an
opportunity
to
rethink
how
we
do
things
and
so
there's
a
couple
of
concepts
that
we've
I
have
a
monthly
meeting
with
amber
and
kat
and
tyler.
That
is
a
planning
from
an
agenda
standpoint
and
other
business
within
the
department,
but
so,
within
the
context
of
that
meeting,
we
talked
about
a
couple
of
of
things
that
you
can
see
within
your
with
your
documents.
A
So
the
first
one
is
that
we
don't
have
a
concept
within
our
commission
bylaws
of
having
a
vice
chair
now,
not
that
anything
ever
goes
wrong
and
I
get
sick
and
miss
a
meeting
and
a
month
of
my
life,
but
it
does
happen,
and
so
within
that
process
you
know
it
just
became
clear.
It
was
like
you
know
what
stuff
happens
and
it's
better
to
you
know.
Should
we
consider
having
someone
in
a
vice
chair
role,
who
could
participate
with
the
meetings
that
we
have
with
tyler
and
amber
and
kat?
A
And
then
you
know
in
those
circumstances
where
you
know
the
chair
is
not
available,
the
vice
chair
would
be
able
to
to
sit
in
and
or
stand
in
for
that
role.
So
that's
that's
one
topic
amber
tyler
anything
else.
You
could
add
around
that.
K
Yeah,
if
I
could
hop
in
a
little
kind
of
backing
us
up
on
the
the
conversation
a
little
bit
here,
so
we
do
have,
we
have
new
commissioners,
new
staff
and
essentially
taking
a
look
at
it.
There's
there's
a
little
bit
of
concern
that
there
may
be
some
disconnect
from
kind
of
the
people
that
are
sitting
on
this
commission
and
what
the
department
actually
does
and
how
it
functions.
K
K
So
what
I
think
this
discussion
overall
is
aimed
at
is:
how
do
we
help
kind
of
formalize
the
processes
that
allow
the
communication
between
the
staff
and
this
commission,
whether
that
be
through
the
through
additional
positions
like
a
vice
chair
or
the
formation
of
certain
subcommittees?
That
would
work
with
staff
on
on
issues
in
the
future,
whether
that
be
by
by
topic,
or
you
know,
by
a
certain
staff
position
that
we
want
to
create.
K
What
we're
doing
here
is
if
we
look
at
the
the
boise
city
code
again
in
defining
the
the
arts
and
history
commission,
the
commission
has
the
the
duty
of
establishing
policies
for
its
own
internal
operation.
So
that's
that's
really.
What
we're
aiming
to
do
is
try
to
talk
about
what
those
internal
policies
should
look
like
what
might
be
included
should
it
include
additional
positions
as
like
a
vice
chair
subcommittees.
K
Should
we
put
pen
to
paper
when
it
talks
about
you
know?
Are
there
deadlines
for
getting
topics
to
the
chair
prior
to
this
meeting?
If
I
want
something
on
the
agenda,
how
do
I
go
about
doing
that?
So
this
is
supposed
to
be
kind
of
the
initial
discussion
to
frame
that,
and
I
what
we're
hoping
to
come
out
of
here
is
either
one.
We
don't
think
that
kind
of
forming
those
internal
policies
is
necessary.
K
K
If
they
would
like
to
come
together
and
discuss
what
they,
what
what
policies
we
want
to
adopt
and
what
they
would
look
like
and
actually
have
a
draft
of
something
for
commissioners
in
general
to
look
at
at
our
following
meeting.
So
that's
kind
of
the
overarching
purpose
of
this
discussion.
But
what
we're
really
looking
at
is:
what
do
we
want?
C
Yeah
yeah
because
I
think
part
of
this
you're
exactly
right.
It's
just
there's
a
lot
of
nearness
newness
with
our
staff
and,
of
course
me,
and
I
think,
wanting
to
also
make
sure
that
we're
maximizing
your
roles
as
well,
and
what?
Because
you're
all
here,
because
you
care
about
arts
and
history-
and
I
imagine
that
each
of
you
have
a
particular
thing
that
you
like
about
arts
and
history.
So
some
of
that
discussion
each
other's
going
into
the
very
overarching
and
legal
aspect.
But
then
there's
just
the
day-to-day
stuff
that
we
do,
that.
C
We
need
to
make
sure
when
you
guys
are
coming
to
the
table
to
make
these
decisions.
That
you've
understand.
You've,
understood
the
purpose
behind
creating
a
history
walking
program
and
maybe
that
there's
involvement,
but
from
one
two
three
of
you
within
it
to
really
either
know
the
inner
workings,
be
able
to
ask
questions.
C
You
know
when,
when
we're
not
in
an
official,
I
shouldn't
say
official
capacity,
we're
not
in
a
legal
capacity
of
a
meeting,
but
that
you
can
come
back
to
the
greater
commission
to
say
you
know.
This
is
why
we
should
support
this
program,
or
this
is
why
this
this
art
piece
is
important.
So
there's
more
of
an
intimate
level
of
working
with
with
our
staff,
with
with
the
department
as
a
whole
and
understanding
that
vision
a
little
bit
better.
So
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
talked
about
is
making
sure
it
just
it
really.
C
It
maximizes
everybody's
potential,
and
it
it
puts
you
you
guys
are
out
in
the
community
as
advocates
first
as
well,
and
you
can
really
speak
to
what
we're
doing.
Instead
of
this,
like,
let's
meet
every
couple
months
and
we'll
tell
you
what
we're
doing
it's,
it's
more
more
engaged
and
interacting
in
that
way.
So
that's
that's
really
my
vision,
I
shouldn't
say
my
vision,
but
just
I
would
I
think
that
would
work
best
for
everyone
and.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
just
want
to
make
it
just
maybe
give
a
couple
of
examples
of
how
it
should
work.
As
an
example,
rachel
owns
the
cultural
science
program,
and
so
she
that
that
is
its
own
set
of
specializations.
A
We
have
our
history
programs.
We
have
our
art,
there's
the
the
collection
component,
there's
the
maintenance
component
of
arts
there's,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
stuff
that
that
happens,
and
so
it's
not
like
we're
gonna
create
a
committee
for
everything.
That's
not
the
that
wouldn't
be
the
point,
but
those
things
that
were
where
it's
most
visible,
where
you
have
major
projects.
A
So,
if
rachel
had
a
commissioner
or
two
that
she
was
able
to
have
a
cultural
science
committee,
then
they
could
meet
independently
and
work
through.
You
know
get
in-depth,
updates
and
really
engage
with
with
rachel
around
that.
Similarly,
we
also
discussed
like
with
parks
and
rec
that
there's
a
lot
of
stuff,
where
there's
that
crossover
between
arts
and
history
and
parks
and
rec
from
interpretive
perspective
from
from
assets
that
are
that
are
deployed
within
the
parks
team.
A
A
So
you
know
this
would
be
as
however
many
committees
that
we
have
that
we
would
have
you
know
one
or
two
potentially
three
commissioners
on
a
committee,
but
not
more
than
that,
because
then
we
get
into
we
get
into
a
forum
and
obviously
that's
not
that's
not
where
we
want
to
go.
But.
A
Of
mind
for
for
all
of
us
balanced
with,
I
think
a
group
of
commissioners
who
are
interested
and
engaged
and
want
to
you
know,
want
to
be
able
to
jump
in,
and
we
all
have
our
own
head
thing.
So
you
know
we're.
F
A
A
That's
the
that's
really
the
the
goal
and
the
point
I
think
from
from
my
standpoint:
it's
it's
something
that,
due
to
covet
due
to
a
lot
of
changes
within
the
departments,
it's
just
something
that
we've
we've
not
been
able
to
do,
and
this
would
be
a
way
to
kick
it
off.
Maybe
with
more
energy
and.
C
You
know
more
structure,
you
know
with
ahab
when
I
started
there
was
the
questionnaire
of
what
are
you
interested
in
being
involved
in?
You
know,
archives,
art
collections
panels,
and
that
was
great
because
one
you
would
see
here
are
my
strengths.
Here's
here's
where
I
want
my
involvement
to
be,
but
then
also
minimizing
a
lot
of
emails.
C
C
L
Yeah
yeah
hi
everybody,
it's
so
good
to
kind
of
see
everybody
I
can
see
the
zoom
people,
but
I'm
gonna
ask
you
a
huge
favor,
because
I
can't
really
see
the
folks
in
the
room
when
you,
when
you're
speaking,
can
you
just
reintroduce
yourself
so
that
we
know
who's
talking?
That
would
be
wonderful.
D
F
C
Step
that
you
feel
like
you
just
have
to
take
to
involve
us.
So
what's
that
caveat
amber
here-
and
I
think
there's
there'll
be
some
some,
I
don't
want.
C
Growth,
where
we're,
where
we're
learning
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
natural
connection
already
with
like
public
art,
where
you
can
be
on
a
that's
a
great
sort
of
introduction
to
the
process
of
understanding
those
calls,
I
believe,
go
out
right
now
for
for
everybody,
but
so
that
that's
one
word,
you
know
there's
a
natural
way
to
kind
of
get
in,
but
I
think
honestly,
like
I
can.
I
could
see
elagio
and
josh
where
you
know
sometimes
those
decession
things
like
we
don't
know.
C
What's
going
on
as
much,
and
so
it's
good
to,
like,
I
think,
they're
going
to
appreciate
I'm
going
to
speak
for
you
elijah.
They
might
appreciate
you,
you
know
kind
of
being
introduced
into
that
process
of
like
so.
This
is
what
this
thing
looks
like
right
now
and
maybe
that's
a
30
minute
walk.
You
know
to
just,
and
I
think
that
can
be
as
much
work
or
as
little
work
as
it
needs
to
be
to
sort
of
prepare
you
better
to
come
to
the
team
and
say:
hey,
I'm
just
there.
D
C
What
probably
will
happen?
It's
like
it
just
begins
to
make
more
sense
and
and
the
cadence
I
think,
of
these
things.
There's
gonna
be
less
of
that.
You
know
this,
this
paperwork
of
informing
and
more
you're,
bringing
that
spirit
and
understanding
to
the
meetings
and
that's
the
ultimate
goal
for
me
and
elijah,
please,
if
anything.
F
D
H
I
was
just
like,
I
think,
like
the
one
thing,
I
think
I'm
really
interested
like
to
see
how
this
develops
right
and
I'm
so
glad
these
conversations
are
happening.
So
I
just
wanted
to.
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
you
know
advocate
for
a
little
bit
is
perhaps
some
a
little
bit
more
messiness
in
terms
of
like
themes
that
might
also
cut
across
multiple
areas
and
so
like
an
example
of
that
might
be
if
boise
is
interested
in.
H
You
know,
and
I
feel
like
I've
heard
the
city
council
very
wonderfully
and
the
mayor's
office
talked
about
being
an
inclusive
place
and
being
supportive
of
that,
like
you
know,
having
you
know,
a
committee
that
looks
across
that
within
arts
and
history
as
well,
and
so
I
again
I'm
just
using
that
as
an
example
of
that
may
not
necessarily
line
up
specifically
with
acquisitions,
but
how
you
know-
and
I
don't
know
what
that
would
look
like,
but
how
to
like
thoughtfully
think
about
some
thematic
areas
that
might
cut
across
a
variety
of
different.
A
Yeah
your
comment-
this
is
john
and
your
comment.
Amanda
reminds
me
of
the
cultural
plan
where
you
know
the
department
has
put
in
so
much
effort
over
the
last
few
years
to
develop
the
cultural
plan,
and
it
really
you
know
it
cuts
across
everything
and
you're
right.
Some
things
are
messy,
or
sometimes
there
are
going
to
be
big
projects
that
are
not
clean.
A
They
don't
align
to
you,
know
something
so
straightforward
and-
and
you
know
my
thought
there
goes
back
to
this
with
centennial
activities
that
were
there
was
a
lot
going
on
and
it
was
like
all
hands
on
deck
and
and
it
was
messy
but
but
fun
and
rewarding.
A
L
Yeah,
thank
you
for
mentioning
that
amanda
I
having
been
with
the
city
since
2018.
I
can
honestly
say
one
of
the
departments
that
I
have
greatly
appreciated.
The
initiative
that
they've
taken
regarding
dei
has
been
arts
and
history
and
in
fact
I
I
just
finished
a
four-hour
lunch
with
adan
de
la
paz,
who
I
know
has
been
working
with
arts
and
history
and-
and
I
just
want
to.
L
But
I
I
just
am
just
so
grateful
that
arts
and
history
continues
to
be
leaders
in
this
work,
and
so
I'm
all
for
that.
But
I
do
agree
that
the
work
has
to
be.
It's
got
to
be
ingrained
in
our
everyday
performance
and
it
I
I
I
sort
of
like
things
set
aside.
I
don't
like
add-ons
because
then
that's
the
impression
that
we
get
is
that
this
is
an
add-on
rather
than
being
a
thread
that
runs
through
everything
we
do,
and
so
again
that
is
something
I
appreciate.
L
A
F
K
Just
a
kind
of
practical
consideration
in
this
discussion,
in
my
experience
with
the
department
and
for
consideration
down
the
road,
is
having
seen
a
period
where
the
chair
was
out
the
usefulness
of
a
vice
chair
just
for
having
a
backup,
as
far
as
it
relates
to
you
know,
having
a
secondary
army.
That
knows
the
agenda
and
they
can
step
in
and
simply
lead
the
meeting
and
make
sure
that
we
don't
miss
a
step
there.
I
think
there's
some
practical
good
there.
K
That
would
be
just
my
two
cents
and
then
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
if
they
were
I'm
not
sensing
a
lot
of
pushback
on
potentially
adopting
policies
down
the
road,
so
I'd
also
be
interested
in
if
there
would,
if
we
would
be
considering
any
additional
commissioner
involvement
in
those
discussions
prior
to
that
next
meeting
and
if
so,
who
who
potentially
may
want
to
volunteer
for
that.
F
M
M
M
I
have
a
little
hesitation
about
the
board
becoming
too
much
of
a
working
board
and
and
breaking
down
the
committees.
Only
because
of
you
know
some
some
oftentimes.
Even
in
these
meetings,
it
could
be
too
many
cooks
in
the
kitchen
and
it
becomes
a
pain
in
the
rump
for
the
staff
themselves,
not
only
to
facilitate
the
meetings
but
to
facilitate
the
voices
in
the
room.
M
So
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
reservation.
I
think
that
we
have
very
intelligent,
capable
commissioners,
but
we
have
equally
capable
staff
as
well.
So
that
would
be
my
one
apprehension.
C
This
is
chris
clegg.
I
personally
want
to
get
more
involved
the
cultural
sites,
I'm
very
passionate
about
the
castle
house
and
I've
been
very
involved
with
that,
and
I
feel
especially
with
kova
that
I've
not
known
as
much
that
was
going
on.
So
I
personally
am
ready
to
dive
in
where
help
is
needed.
D
C
C
C
I
am
just
a
director,
that's
hopefully
echoing
those
things,
but
I
think
we
have
new
opportunities,
particularly
with
sites
with
the
with
urban
hayman
coming
on,
as
well
as
with
the
the
walking
tours
program
and
then
I
think
elsewhere,
they're
sort
of
like
looking
at
carrying
conservation
or
there's
a
little
bit
more
established,
but
still
one
new
person,
public
arts
a
very
established
program,
but
but
new
folks,
and
so
I
think
I
think
both
of
those
things
are
great,
there's
sort
of
immediate
needs
that
can
happen,
and
so,
if
there
was,
if
there
was
a
chair
vice
chair
and
then
maybe
one
other
person
that
that
we
could
really
kind
of
get
down
to
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
staff
coming
and
saying
yeah,
this
is
this
is
really
where
needs
are.
C
I
think
the
biggest
thing
is
making
sure
that
you
as
commissioners
are
engaged
and
that
you're
getting
out
of
it.
What
what?
What
is
is
making
your
heart
sing
and
that
you
understand
all
the
processes
and
what
we're
asking
and
it's
not
just
paperwork
being
pushed
back
and
forth
and
then
a
meeting
where
the
paperwork's
pushed
back
and
then
as
well.
Of
course,
you
know,
I
think
staff
would
appreciate
all
of
those
concerns
of
time
as
well,
but
I
think
I
think,
the
more
we're
we're
working
together
that
it's
it
starts
it.
K
Tyler
go
ahead.
Yeah
I
was
just
gonna
pop
in
with
a
couple
legal
concerns
yeah.
I
I
completely
understand
they're,
not
the
concern
to
not
want
things
to
seem
overly
formal
or
anything
like
that.
There
was
a
suggestion
of
sort
of
giving
opportunities
for
more
like
informal
opportunities.
K
I
would
just
caution
that
part
of
the
reason
to
kind
of
define
who
and
what
the
circumstance
is
is.
We
do
still
have
to
be
worried
about
the
number
of
commissioners
that
would
participate
in
any
single
activity
outside
of
a
public
meeting,
so
we
need
to
limit
it
and
make
sure
that
we
do
not
create
a
quorum
in
any
of
these
opportunities
or
things
that
we
do
outside
of
a
public
setting.
K
So
that's
kind
of
why
we
want
to
define
who
you
know
who
exactly
would
be
doing
it
and
what
kind
of
the
scope
of
those
people
would
be,
but
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
create
specific
subcommittees
either.
That's
just
kind
of
one
of
the
discussion
points
we
could
do
something
as
simple
as
permitting
the
commission
to
form
a
subcommittee
in
the
event
that
they
want
it
or
to
take
volunteers.
For
commissioner
involvement
on
a
particular
item,
it
just
needs
to
be
I
I
would.
A
I
think
that
again,
the
intent
is
not
to
create
something
for
everything
that
you
know.
Amber's
team
is
doing
that
that
wouldn't
be
the
intent.
So
there's
some
there's
some
boundary
that
that
we
would
want
to
talk
about,
and-
and
I
do
think
that
giving
the
staff
opportunity
that
is
predictable
and
something
that
is,
you
know
under
their
their
control,
to
be
able
to
have
those
meetings
and
get
input
from
whatever
commissioner's
voices.
A
I
think
that
from
for,
in
my
opinion,
our
voices
aren't
heard
very
much
right
now
as
commissioners
again
due
to
covet
and
other
reasons,
and
so
I'd
rather
I'd
rather
go
to
a
place
where,
if
we
get
to
a
point
where
we
have
where
it's
too
much
of
a
burden
on
staff,
then
I
know
the
first
person
that's
going
to
raise
their
hand
is
amber
to
say
this
is
too
much
of
a
burden,
and
the
same
thing
goes
from
a
commissioner
perspective:
we're
not
signing
anybody
up
to
work.
A
You
know
to
be
a
burden
from
a
commissioner
perspective.
It's
really
trying
to
find
what's
that
balance
so
that
we
can
get
engagement
where
we,
where
we
have
the
time
and
interest
and
then
having
at
the
end
of
the
day,
assisting
you
know,
amber's
team
to
be
able
to
more
effectively
do
their
work
and
then
have
a
commission.
That's
engaged
and
knowledgeable
rather
than
you
know
what
we've
been
forced
into,
which
is
like
here's.
Your
packet
come
to
the
meeting
vote
and
that's
you
know,
that's
hard.
That's
that's!
That's!
H
Oh,
she
is
not
okay,
I
was
just
wondering
if
like-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
place
now
or
if
this
is
like
a
meeting
in
the
future.
I
would
like
to
hear
some
more
from
staff
about
how
they
could
that
would
be
beneficial
for
them
and
where
they
could.
You
know
where
it
would
be
useful
for
them.
Just
like
thinking
about
what
alan's
saying
and
like
what
you're
saying
too.
H
That
I
would
I
would
I
know
I
would
have.
I
would
appreciate
that
and
again
it
doesn't
have
to
doesn't
have
to
be
now
and
obviously
like
lisa
said
this
is
the
most
amazing
department
that's
ever
existed,
and
so,
but
I
think
that
would
help
me
because,
like
I
feel
like
I'm
hearing
some
different
things,
I'm
just
trying
to
really
kind
of
get
at
the
the
motivations
like.
Is
it
that
we
don't
want
to
be
just
a
stamp
like
on
the
process
train.
H
H
Is
it
to
bring
more
robustness
to
the
meetings?
I'm
just
is
it?
Is
it
all
of
those
things?
I
think
that's,
like
I'm
hearing
lots
of
different
things,
and
I'm
just
like
you
know
amber
if
you
could
maybe
speak
it
to
that
and
john
a
little
bit
just
so
I
think
so
I
just
so
I'm
like
not
guessing.
If
I,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,.
G
I
this
is
travis
and
again
I'm
new,
so
I'll
reintroduce
myself
again.
So
I
am
the
history
programs
manager
and
I
speak
only
for
myself.
I
don't
speak
for
a
lot
of
the
programs
are
small
right,
so
there
might
be
a
program
manager
and
an
assistant,
so
there
might
be
two
individuals
right,
but
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
caitlyn
who's,
not
here,
but
from
my
advantage
just
being
new.
I
would
very
much
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
just
be
in
dialogue
with
commissioners
right
to
to
be
sounding
boards
for
one
another
right.
G
G
I
have
deep
respect
for
her
leadership,
so
you
know
just
personal
relationships
and
being
sounding
words
for
one
another,
I
think
is
something
in
an
informal
kind
of
way
having
coffee
it
could
go
a
long
way
right
and
it's
an
opportunity
to
learn
about
one
another,
not
only
the
work
that
the
department
is
doing
or
a
particular
program
is
doing,
but
also
what
the
commissioners
do
right
and
how
arts
and
history
might
be
able
to
complement
or
assist
in.
F
G
Efforts
right,
if
that's
not
outside
the
scope
of
what
we
can
do,
I
don't
know
but
again
just
being
very
new
here
and
open
and
honest,
but
so
I
all
that
has
to
say
you
know
I
mean
I
would
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
more
with
john
and
all
of
you,
so
I'm
open
to
that
as
history
programs
manager.
I'm
sure
that
you
know
some
of
my
colleagues
would
agree.
Maybe
some
would
disagree,
but
that's
just
my
my
take
on
it.
So.
C
C
It
sounds
like
we
just
need
the
formality
to
say
that
that
can
happen
within
a
subcommittee
to
sort
of
allow
that
and
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
what
that
would
look
like
and
then,
of
course,
as
we
I'm
only
three
months
in,
but
as
we
get
to
that
bigger
strategic
planning
and
we
get
to
those,
maybe
larger
thematic
things,
themes
that
go
across
not
saying
exactly
it
would
be
a
sesquicentennial.
C
But
you
know
we've
talked
about
that
somewhat
internally,
then
it
becomes
very,
very
important
that
everybody
has
a
role
and
a
partner
piece
and
understanding
that
so
so
again,
just
echoing
it
is
everything
you
just
said,
and
I
and
I
think
yeah
staff
will
tell
you
right
away
if
it's
too
much
and
I
I've
given
them
that
license
to
say
when
it's
when
they're
at
capacity
as
well.
G
F
J
Hi
yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I
agree
with
everything
alan
said
I
was,
he
said
everything
I
was
going
to
say,
except
for
I
you
know.
I
also
like
what
travis
has
said
about
meeting
up
for
coffee
or
whatever
an
informal
meeting.
I
think
it
would
be
great
because
then
you
can
kind
of
get
to
sense
where
the
strengths
of
each
individual
board
member
is
where
they're
what
they
want
to
do.
So
I
really
like
that
idea
and
again
I
really
do
support
the
vice
chair
idea
as
well.
K
K
K
Now
we
have
a
quorum
of
commissioners
discussing
public
business
without
a
public
meeting.
So
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
is
the
format.
I'm
not
trying
to
add
a
ton
of
structure
and
put
pen
to
paper
and
say
this:
is
the
committee?
That's
what
you
guys
got
to
do,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
run
afoul
of
public
meeting
laws
and
have
more
than
three
commissioners
talking
about
one
public
item
in
substance
with
you
know
and
deliberating
on
a
public
issue
outside
of
a
public
forum.
M
J
M
Just
kind
of
already,
partly
enough
what
I
said
before
I
I've
been
on
both
sides:
I've
been
on
a
staff
of
an
arts
organization
and
I've
been
on
working
boards
of
a
number
of
different
organizations
and
everybody's
super
kind
here.
So
I'll
just
say
out
loud,
like
a
concern
of
like
the
staff
will
tell
us
if
we're
asking
too
much,
or
we
can't
do
that.
As
a
commission
board,
you
can't
put
the
burden
on
a
staff
member
ever
to
tell
you
that
you're
asking
too
much,
and
that's
really
my
concern.
M
I
know
that
we
want
engagement
and
everything
else,
but
it's
it's
hard
for
we're,
not
a
working
board,
we're
a
voting
entity
and
there
are
already
formal
ways
in
which
commissioners
get
involved
to
be
on
panels
and
I'm
sure,
as
we
get
through
covid.
Those
opportunities
will
pick
up
more,
but
mainly
for
the
sake
of
the
staff.
I
want
to
say
out
loud
that
it's
it's
never
your
burden.
M
We
should,
as
a
commissioner,
make
sure
we're
moving
forward
with
whatever
this
conversation
is
and
making
sure
that
we're
sensitive
to
them
being
very,
very
nice
people
and
what
they're
saying
is
absolutely
true
until
it's
not
true.
D
This
is
sophie
and
I'm
also
pretty
new,
but
I'm
like
one
of
the
youth
student
non-voting
members,
but
I
don't
know
just
kind
of
like
a
youth
voice
like
I
think
the
idea
of
like
at
least
learning
more
about
what
else
the
arts
and
history
commission
can
do
is
like
very
interesting
to
me
because
just
coming
to
board
meetings
and
things
like
interesting
to
see
the
kind
of
like
more
legal
formal
process
but
to
also
see
the
more
informal
side
could
also
be
potentially
interesting
just
to
like,
observe
or
hear
more
about.
K
So,
just
listening
to
this
discussion,
I
would
say
we
kind
of
have
two
options
now
or
technically
three
we
could
vote
and
say:
no,
we
don't
need
bylaws
or
policies.
K
We
could
just
table
this
and
have
a
just
have
a
further
discussion
at
the
next
meeting
and
maybe
include
some
of
those
department
personnel
to
talk
more
about
what
specifically
would
be
helpful
as
amanda
suggested,
or
we
can
vote
to
form
policies,
bylaws
of
some
sort
and
direct
staff
or
some
sort
of
working
group.
That
would
include
myself
and
john
and
amber
to
form
a
draft
of
policies
to
bring
to
the
commission
for
consideration
at
the
next
meeting.
H
F
A
A
Would
we
like
to
make
a
motion
to
set
up
a
subcommittee
to
to
you
know,
evaluate
and
then
bring
it
back
to
to
like
our
next
meeting
as
an
example
or
or
not,
and
can.
F
K
Right,
we
would
just
table
the
discussion
and
put
it
on
for
further
discussion
at
the
next
meeting.
H
F
K
I
both
are
legally
viable.
That's
that's,
really
a
department
consideration.
I
think
there
is
some
general
agreement
vice
chairs,
vice
chair
and
maybe
developing
something
down
here,
but
I
think
there's
also
a
lot
of
unknown
as
to
what
it
would
look
like
and
if
we
were
to
bring
something
forward
at
the
next
meeting.
K
It
would
also
almost
certainly
need
supplemented-
or
you
know
amended
in
some
fashion,
which
is
fine,
and
we
can
do
that
as
well,
where
we
are
the
board
and
we
can
do
that
so,
but
it's
really
six
and
one
half
a
dozen
of
the
other.
H
C
C
C
A
Yeah
again,
there's
no
there's
nothing
on
the
table.
That's
going
to
commit
anything
or
anyone
to
anything.
So
so
it's
really
about
putting
a
little
bit
of
structure
towards
a
conversation
to
bring
something
back
60
days
from
now.
That's
really
what
it,
what
it
would
do.
C
Okay
and
just
a
point
of
clarification,
this
is
amber
for
everyone.
Is
that
something
that
we
create
an
executive?
You
know
as
far
as
is
that
john
me
tyler,
or
is
that
maybe
an
addition
of
another
couple
of
commissioners,
so
not
a
quorum,
but
just
enough
that
there's
influence
on
the
commissioners
as
well
about
what
that
would
look
like
on
my
homework
would
be
to
go
back
to
staff
and
kind
of
tell
them
what
we're
talking
about
too
and
make
sure
that
that
input's
brought
to
the
table.
K
We
so
we
can
take
a
motion
on
a
approving,
essentially
the
endeavor
right,
yeah
approving
staff
and
select
persons
to
form
draft
policies
for
consideration
at
the
next
meeting,
and
then
my
recommendation
is
that,
after
doing
so,
we
can
take
volunteers
from
this
commission
to
see
if
anybody
else
would
like
to
join
and
we
can
take
up
to
two
additional
commissioners
for
for
that
committee.
K
Discussion,
I
would
recommend
a
roll
call
vote
on
this.
One
thank.
K
F
A
Okay,
no
other
discussion,
then
so
those
in
favor,
please
rule
call
by
name
tyler
or
by
name
just
call
it
by
yes,.
F
A
D
D
K
A
K
Yes,
it
would
just
be
taking
volunteers,
we
don't
have
to
be
super
formal
about
it
at
this
point,
we're
not
operating
under
any
policies
or
bylaws
that
force
us
to
do
so.
So
we
would
just
take
some
volunteers
to
participate
in
the
endeavor
that
we
just
passed
by
motion.
A
C
I
would
just
I
would
just
echo
the
thank
you
because
I
know
there
is
a
lot
of
newness,
so
I
just
appreciate.
I
appreciate
the
messiness
comment
because
I'm
going
to
nail
that
so
thank
you,
but
I
I
just
appreciate
it
appreciate
everybody
and
and
alan
thank
you
for
for
your
concerns.
I
think
my
staff,
you
just
became
the
new
favorite
commissioner,
for
for
for
them
at
least.