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A
C
A
Aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
no
and
then
any
discussion
pieces
before
we
get
started
all
right,
so
we
will
now
open
the
motion
passes
first
of
all,
but
we
will
now
open
the
public
hearing.
Names
will
be
ordered
or
called
in
the
order
listed
on
the
sign
in
sheets.
We
will
begin
with
those
who
registered
to
testify
via
zoom
and
then
move
to
those
who
are
here
in
person.
A
Each
participant
will
be
given
three
minutes
just
like
our
last
Public
public
testimony
representatives
of
an
established,
neighborhood
association
and
are
the
sole
representative
for
that
Association
will
be
given
10
minutes
when
called
to
testify.
Please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
if
you
are
and
if
you
are
testifying
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
association,
please
State
the
name
of
that
Association.
A
So,
let's
move
to
the
zoom.
The
people
who
are
testifying
on
Zoom
first
and
foremost,
is
Cindy
thorngren.
A
E
Hello,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
sorry,
yeah,
I'm,
Tracy,
Olsen
I'm
at
1562,
East,
Sendero,
Lane,
boise3712
and
just
briefly,
I
testified.
The
last
meeting
in
support
of
map.
Eight
I
see
that
you
accepted
map
11
and
one
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
on
that.
I
am
here
to
support
your
choice
of
map
11
with
the
changes
made.
I.
Don't
really
have
anything
else
to
say:
I
just
wanted
to
voice
my
support
for
the
choices
that
you
made.
F
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
hi
great
hi
good
evening
Boise
districting
committee,
I'm
April
Frederick
I
live
at
1416
North,
8th
Street
in
Boise,
83702
and
I
support
a
draft
map
number
11.
F
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
members
for
their
hard
work
and
consideration
when
picking
this
map.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
working
with
the
publicly
submitted
map
number
eight
and
improving
it
by
removing
all
the
precinct
splits
and
that's
all
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
Este
La
friends.
G
G
G
It
looks
like
the
western
side
of
Boise
is
completely
split
off
and
so
there's
a
long
skinny
piece
on
the
very
western
side
that
runs
from
Northwest
Boise
to
Southwest,
Boise
and
I
feel
like
that's,
going
to
not
be
the
best
representation
for
for
West
Boise
and
for
our
neighborhood
association,
and
we
have
submitted
and
and
asked
for
some
other
maps
to
be
looked
at
and
discussed
that
are
more
representative
of
maybe
a
neighborhood
association
type
or
a
more
of
a
community
based
map
that
would
better
characterize
West
Boise
into
a
community,
that's
more
united,
and
so
we
just
feel
that
map
11
is
going
to
sort
of
divide
our
community
in
half,
and
some
of
us
will
be
having
representation
from
other
parts
of
the
city
and
it
won't
be
in
the
best
interest
of
of
Southwest
Boise,
certainly
of
the
South
Coal
neighborhood
association
and
and
likely
not
for
swaka
either,
so
we're
not
in
support
of
map
11..
H
Foreign
question
yeah
SD
hi,
commissioner
Perry
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
see
me
because
I
can't
actually
see
what
you're
saying.
So.
Thank
you
so
much
for
testifying
and
giving
your
thoughts
on
the
map.
Just
because
you
had
noted
that
you
were
from
a
neighborhood
association.
I
have
a
question.
You
had
mentioned
that
you
would
submitted
other
Maps,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
where
one
of
the
16
maps
that
the
commission
considered
a
map
submitted
by
the
South
Cole
neighborhood
association,.
G
It
wasn't
officially
submitted
by
the
South
Cole
neighborhood
association.
We
have
been
working
with
other
people
in
our
community
and
I
understand
that
there
was
a
more
representative
map
that
was
based
on
the
neighborhoods
and
I
believe
one
of
those
people
is
going
to
speak
tonight
at
the
at
the
meeting
as
well.
So
I
I
hope
that
they'll
be
able
to
show
that
map
and
that's
the
that's.
The
community
based
map
that
we're
in
in
support
of
thank.
A
I
Hi,
my
name
is
Tony
Torres
I'm
at
2413,
West,
Pendleton,
Street,
Boise,
83705
and
I
just
wanted
to
testify
in
support
of
draft
map
number
11.
I
thought
I
appreciate
the
commission.
Taking
you
know,
voting
to
support
map
number
eight,
which
had
been
support,
So
submitted
submitted
by
the
public
but
I
think
map
number
11
is
even
better
because
it
it
makes
the
district
drawing
a
little
bit
more.
I
Fair
I
realized
that
not
not
every
that
every
single
methods
submitted
is
somebody's
going
to
be
unhappy
with,
but
I
think
you
did
a
really
good
job
with
map
number
11
of
taking
what
was
good
about
map
number
eight
and
making
it
even
better
and
I
appreciate
the
commission's
work
on
this
and
and
I
hope
we
can
get
this
one
passed.
A
K
Hello,
yes,
I,
don't
represent
any
particular
homeowners
association,
just
Southwest
Boise
I
I
can.
A
You
speak
up
just
a
little
bit
and
State
your
address
as
well.
A
K
Anyway,
I
live
in
Southwest
Boise
in
Mill,
Creek
subdivision
I,
don't
represent
a
particular
HOA
I'm
just
a
concerned.
Citizen
I
am
not
in
favor
of
the
proposed
map.
Do.
K
Yeah
I'm,
not
in
support
of
the
current
map
and
I'm
I'd,
like
to
listen
a
little
bit
more
before
I,
say
more.
If
that's
all
right.
L
L
You
know
I
thought
map
8
made
the
most
sense
you
know
just
from
you
know
how
what
is
the
easiest
way?
We
can
get
this
done
to
make
the
most
common
sense
lines
across
the
city
and
and
I
I
thought
it
improved
a
little
bit
with
an
apple
11.,
so
I'm,
just
I
would
like
to
support
that.
M
Can
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
yes,
Patty
Bowen
I
live
at
912
West
Fort,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho,
83702
I'm,
not
representing
anybody
I'm,
just
a
lifelong
idahoan
and
a
Boise
State
graduate
I've
been
in
Idaho,
slash
Boise,
most
of
my
life
and
I
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
Picking
this
map,
I
really
liked.
Map,
8
and
I
think
the
improvements
you
made
for
map
11
are
great,
so
I'm
in
support
of
math
11
and
just
appreciate
y'all's
work.
A
N
Hi
good
evening,
Commissioners
I'm,
David,
King
I
live
at
10064,
Smoke,
Ranch,
Drive,
Boise,
Idaho,
83709
I'm,
also,
president
of
Boise,
Parks,
Association
and
Friends
of
magurdio
Park,
and
in
my
capacities
as
the
president
of
the
Boise
Parks
Association
of
friends
of
mcgregio
Park
I
have
worked
closely
with
neighborhood
associations
in
our
area.
The
South
Cole
neighborhood
neighborhood
association
and
the
Southwest
Ada
County
Alliance
and
I
worked
as
a
deputy
City
attorney
for
years.
N
N
So
now
we're
going
to
have
the
planning
process
and
be
in
discordant
with
the
way
we've
got
council
districts
because
we've
arbitrarily
gone
this
process
of
picking
precincts.
So
you
could
have
a
major
project
and
have
multiple
council
members
have
their
District
be
impacted
by
a
major
project
and
they
could
have
inconsistent
positions
on
it.
Neighborhood
associations
usually
know
who
their
council
member
is
and
have
them
on
speed
dial
now
they're
going
to
have
in
West
Boise
they're
going
to
have
multiple
council
members
they're
going
to
have
to
reach
out
to
so.
N
The
neighborhood
associations
that
I've
been
dealing
with
swaka
is
divided
into
two
districts.
Now
South
Cole
neighborhood
association
is
divided
into
three
districts.
I've
heard
people
say
that
they
like
map
11.
What
I
haven't
heard
is
anyone
saying
in
defense,
speaking
in
defense,
of
how
map
11
divides
all
the
neighborhoods
of
West
Boise
and
that's
the
problem.
That's
what
we're
trying
to
address
here.
So
it's
isolated.
We
we
agree
with
what
you've
done
and
the
east
side
of
of
Boise
the
north
side
of
of
the
map.
It's
fine
you've
kept
the
communities
intact.
N
You've
kept
the
neighborhoods
intact,
but
neighborhood
associations
are
enshrined
into
the
way
the
city
does
its
planning
processes
and
there's
another
organization.
It's
called
Boise
working
together
and
Boise
working
together
is
a
group
of
individuals
who
represent
each
one
of
the
neighborhood
associations.
The
people
who
think
in
terms
of
precincts
are
people
who
work
in
politics
they're,
not
the
people
who
work
in
planning
and
development
and
Nary.
The
two
shall
meet
so
I
get
it
that
this
you've
chosen
a
method
for
keeping
precincts
together
and
it's
some
way
of
getting
the
population
adjustment.
N
A
Question
for
you
before
you
leave,
based
on
the
instructions
we
were
getting
given
in
the
law
that
we
have
to
follow
what
you
would
rather
have
us,
build
our
districts
based
off
of
neighborhood
associations
over
the
precincts,
even
though
precincts
are
specifically
written
in
in
the
law
that
we
are
supposed
to
follow.
We.
N
N
Submitted
it
and
it
was
submitted
later
I
think
it's
been
identified
as
the
West
Boise
United
map.
It
was
submitted
by
Michael
last
night
or
yesterday.
N
D
H
You
cannot
it's
totally
okay,
but
kind
of
similarly
along
the
lines
of
Madame
chair
over
here
is
that
both
the
city,
council,
ordinance
and
the
statute
require
that
we
keep
a
Precinct
that
doesn't
divide
census
blocks.
It
keeps
precincts
whole,
but
I
hear
you,
because
it
also
outlines
neighborhood
associations
and
I
can
tell
you
with
great
Vigor
that
we
tried
to
keep
them
all
intact
and
there's
no
magic
wand,
unfortunately,
to
follow
all
of
the
rules,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
H
My
question
to
you
is:
do
you
know
offhand
because
I
think
we
saw
the
map,
but
it
wasn't
provided
to
us
in
a
way
that
we
could
see,
maybe
how
many
precincts
were
split
or
how
many
census
blocks
were
divided.
What
the
population
deviation
was.
Do
you
happen
to
know
on
your
map?
Any
of
that
information.
N
We
can
get
the
the
paper
copies
up
to
the
board
up
here,
forget
to
consider,
and
this
commission
did
a
great
job,
keeping
neighborhoods
together
on
one
side
of
the
town,
and
it
did
not
do
a
good
job
of
keeping
neighborhoods
together
on
the
other
side
of
the
town
and
the
look
of
that
district
one
makes
it
Crystal
Clear
why
it
was
so
impossible
to
do.
Fdu
gerrymandered
everybody
into
District
One.
A
N
There's
minimal,
if
you
look
on
the
map
I'm
looking
at
here,
that
has
your
map
11
with
District,
Lines,
superimpros
or
neighborhood
lines,
superimposed,
it's
minimal
on
one
side
of
the
map.
So
when
you
have
a
paper
copy.
Q
R
May
I
ask
a
question:
oh
yes,
go
ahead,
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
what
the
protocol
was
Madam
chairman
but
yeah
I,
just
as
you
know,
I.
That
was
my
opinion
as
well
and
I
just
want
to
thank
that
last
speaker,
because
I
I
concur
with
him
that
we
could
have
made
a
greater
effort
to
keep
the
neighborhood
associations
in
West
boy
see
more
whole
since
I
live
in
a
neighborhood
association,
which
is
the
newest
that
was
only
created
in
2020.
R
I
was
not
totally
experienced
in
in
what
value
they
bring
to
the
city
and
I
think
that
last
gentleman
really
kind
of
opened
my
eyes
on
the
importance
when
it
comes
to
development
and
growth
and
permitting
and
ordinances
and
zoning
and
all
those
those
areas
where
a
neighborhood
really
has
to
speak
up
together.
So,
yes,
I
want
to
thank
him
for
for
speaking
and
I
I
wish
that
he
had
been
here
sooner
but
I
I
agree
with
him.
N
N
J
S
S
a
bit
of
background
I,
was
born
and
raised
in
Boise
I
have
lived
here
since
1980
and
have
lived
in
the
North
End
Central
bench,
Southeast,
Boise
and
now
I
live
in
the
west
bench,
my
husband
and
I,
along
with
almost
my
entire
family,
dating
back
to
1932
our
Boise
Braves
alumni,
my
son.
However,
since
living
in
the
west
Boise
attended
both
westada
schools
and
Boise
schools,
he
is
recently
a
graduate
from
Capitol
high
in
a
nutshell.
I
feel
I'm
well
qualified
to
represent
my
neighborhood
and
any
neighborhood
in
this
Valley.
S
Every
neighborhood
of
Boise
has
a
different
look
and
feel
about
it.
It's
almost
like
going
into
different
worlds.
I
remember
when
I
was
a
kid
I
had
a
friend
from
Central
bench
and
took
her
to
Hyde
Park
in
the
North
End.
She
thought
we
were
in
a
different
town.
She
had
never
been
over
there
before
I
know.
Whatever
map
you
choose,
you
cannot
make
everyone
happy.
I
do
think
that
map
11
is
a
good
starting
place.
S
I
do
like
the
the
that
the
districts
are
mostly
equal
in
size,
but
some
districts
don't
make
sense
to
me.
The
first
thing
I
noticed
was
that
the
north
and
east
Boise
and
the
central
bench
appeared
to
be
kept
pretty
much
the
same.
I'm
scratching
my
head
as
to
why
West
Boise,
specifically
District
1,
2
and
6,
are
the
only
ones
that
are
drastically
changing.
Why
are
you
dividing
up
West,
Boise
neighborhood,
so
much
just
across
the
street
of
Maple
Grove
from
where
I
live?
S
There
is
a
totally
different
vibe
I
for
a
fact
do
not
believe
someone
who
lives
east
of
Maple
Grove
could
represent
my
interest
very
well
for
my
neighborhood,
or
vice
versa.
This
actually
stresses
me
out,
isn't
that
the
whole
reason
why
districts
were
created
for
Boise
so
that
it
could
give
each
neighborhood
the
best
possibility
of
accurate
representation.
Even
when
I
was
a
kid
there
was
this
dismissive
field
towards
West.
Boise
me
originally
growing
up
in
north,
south
and
east
ends.
Uptown
I
gotta
tell
you.
There
was
not.
S
S
Mental
health
is
a
buzzword
at
this
time,
but
I
also
know
that
folks,
who
feel
like
outcasts,
need
attention
and
support,
see
us
here
with
our
with
your
heart,
with
map
11,
my
neighborhood
will
be
cut
in
half
my
own
home
church
will
be
in
a
different
District
I,
encourage
you
to
keep
neighborhoods
United
and
adopt
the
Western
Boise
United
commission
map.
Instead,
it's
this
one.
If
you
guys
want
this
one,
you
want
it.
Okay,
I'll
give
it
to
you
after
this.
S
A
Thank
you,
I
actually
have
one
question
for
you
really
quick.
Why?
And
this
is
just
for
my
my
own
interest.
Why
would
what
is
the
big
difference
between
someone
who
lives
east
of
Maple,
Grove
and
west
of
Maple
Grove
as
far
as
representation
for.
S
You
well
first
of
all,
like
I
said,
my
son
went
to
West
ADA
School
District,
but
we
were
in
Boise
at
the
time.
Okay,
there's
a
long.
It's
a
long
story,
but
I
ended
up.
Moving
and
I
wanted
to
keep
my
son
in
Boise
because
we
switched
from
west
to
Boise
and
it
was
just
across
the
street
and
the
neighborhoods
completely
looked
different.
S
The
personalities
are
completely
different,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
homeowners
in
my
neighborhood
now
than
the
one
when
I
lived
over
just
the
block
right
right
by
Fairmont
Junior
High,
my
son
should
have
gone
to
Centennial,
but
he
went
to
Capital
there's
a
whole
different
demographic
between
the
two
different
types
of
children.
Go
there.
T
Hi
committee,
can
you
hear
me
hi?
My
name
is
Bailey
Bingham
I'm
at
2000,
North,
Mountain,
Cove,
Road
I
testified
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
with
y'all
and
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you.
You
did
a
great
job.
We
we
had
a
really
great
discussion.
We
did
comparative
analysis
between
many
different
Maps.
We
got
to
hear
different
perspectives
from
lots
of
different
people.
We
even
addressed
the
topic
of
Maple
Grove
is
a
dividing
line,
five
miles
a
dividing
line,
so
I
think
that
you
all
have
done
a
great
job.
T
Looking
over
the
facts,
hearing
people
out
considering
different
views-
and
you
know
I'm
grateful
that
y'all
have
put
forth
the
diligence
to
to
allow
this
this
process
to
take
place
over
many
weeks.
I'm
grateful
that
you
know
any
any
person
in
the
public
could
have
gone
along
in
the
last
couple
of
months
and
presented
their
plan
I'm
grateful
for
the
people
that
came
in
and
did
it
on
time.
So,
thanks
again,.
A
Thank
you
Barrett.
Is
it
tetlo
foreign.
U
Barrett
tetlo
I
live
at
1331
South
Watermark
eagle
and
I've
recently
moved
to
Eagle
about
three
months
ago
in
June
and
bought
a
house
there,
but
before
that
I
lived
at
Fairview
in
Cloverdale
right
across
from
the
cemetery,
so
that
is
sort
of
I've
had
more
friends
in
that
part
of
town
than
I
have
in
my
new
area,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work.
I
come
to
you
with
a
supportive
amend
position
talking
about
redistricting
the
principles.
U
As
you
know,
you
have
a
contradiction:
you're
supposed
to
follow
population
deviation,
Voting,
Rights,
Act,
natural
boundaries,
communities
of
interest
and
they're
all
in
Conflict
right.
You
could
pick
communities
event
community
of
Interest,
then
the
population's
deviation
is
completely
off.
You
can
never
have
a
perfect
map.
I,
don't
envy
your
task
going
forward,
but
what
you
can
do
is
have
a
little
bit
of
a
better
map.
You've
communities
of
interest
is
an
important
legal
principle
of
redistricting.
You
can
talk
to
your
city
attorneys
about
that.
That
is
what
you're
supposed
to
do.
U
Neighborhoods
are
how
people
identify.
How
do
people
talk?
I
live
in
the
North
End
I'm
in
Hillcrest
I'm
in
the
bench
area.
That's
how
they
identify
where
they
are
it's
more
than
just
a
neighborhood
association.
It's
an
identity,
it's
a
sense
of
belonging,
it's
a
sense
of
community.
It's
a
communities
of
Interest,
the
neighborhood
association's,
mostly
model
how
people
think
of
themselves
and
how
they
identify
you've
done
a
good
job
in
other
parts
of
the
area.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
parts
in
in
the
map.
11
that
make
a
lot
of
sense.
U
The
population
deviation
is
fantastic.
I.
Think
you're,
like
plus
remind
us
less
than
three
percent,
or
something
like
that.
I
did
an
excellent
job.
One
person,
one
vote
very
important
principle:
they've
done
a
great
job
in
that
area,
but
in
the
western
part
of
the
city,
you've
divided
too
many
spots.
Almost
every
exception
of
Centennial
every
single
neighborhood
in
the
western
part
of
the
city
is
divided.
You
can
do
a
little
better
job.
You
can
still
use
precincts,
but
also
using
neighborhoods,
maybe
they'll,
be,
if
maybe
they'll,
be
less
less
neighborhood.
U
Splints
I
think
in
math,
MAP
11,
there's
11
neighborhood
splits
make
it
eight.
Can
you
make
it
eight,
can
you
make
it
seven?
Can
you
make
it
less
going
forward?
You
did
a
good
job
in
a
lot
of
areas,
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
room
of
improvement
in
the
west
Boise
area
going
forward
and
I
think
you
can
do
that.
U
B
Hi
I'm
Mary
collister
I'm,
a
Boise
native
my
address
is
5670
Kirk
Cliff
Court
Boise
Idaho
83704
I've
seen
a
lot
of
growth
in
Boise
since
I
was
born
in
1960,
so
I'm
good.
Some
outrageous
I've
worked
at
the
Capitol
Building
I've
worked
at
the
legislative
information
desk
for
two
years.
I've
worked
for
the
U.S
census,
I
come
from
very
strong
political
family
as
a
single
mother,
I
help
my
two
boys
ages,
10
and
12
do
their
paper
routes
and
so
I
I.
B
Look
at
this
map
that
we're
looking
at
and
think
even
a
12
year
old
boy
could
do
a
better
job
of
a
map.
So
I'm
asking
you
as
a
native
boycian
I
agree
with
Christy
and
with
Barrett
our
churches
and
schools
have
been
reorganized
and
organized
and
taken
apart,
divided
added
to
all
the
way
out
in
West
Boise,
all
the
way
from
coal
road
to
Meridian.
B
Over
the
years
we've
been
jumbled
about
moved
about,
we
might
live
A
half
a
mile
from
a
junior
high
and
we're
shipped
all
the
way
out
to
Lake
Hazel
seven
miles
out.
So
we've
been
tossed
and
turned.
We
love
our
neighborhoods
I,
don't
belong
to
any
neighborhood
association,
I'm
standing
here
for
myself,
and
we
ask
that
you
take
a
good
look
at
our
map
that
we're
submitting
Western,
Boise,
United
and
commission
map
11
and
take
a
good
look
at
that
and
see
if
you
can
help
us
out.
B
V
The
barber
Valley
neighborhood
association
is
strongly
opposed
to
the
draft
map,
as
it
separates
the
barber
Valley
from
much
of
Southeast
Boise,
especially
Columbia
Village
Surprise
Valley,
and
the
Columbia
Road
neighborhoods,
the
15
billion
dollar
Micron
investment
will
disproportionately
affect
the
barber
Valley
Surprise
Valley,
Columbia
Village
and
Columbia
Road
with
the
growth
impacting
housing
traffic
and
services.
It
is
vital
for
these
neighborhoods
of
shared
interest
to
have
Council
representation
that
can
help
navigate
and
manage
the
future
expansion
and
growth.
V
Finally,
the
barber
Valley
is
also
in
the
same
Parks
planning
district
with
Southeast
Boise,
so
it
would
track
that
these
neighborhoods
are
represented
by
the
same
elected
council
member.
The
Barbara
Valley
neighborhood
association
strongly
urges
you
to
amend
the
draft
map
and
create
a
council
District
that
keeps
the
barber
Valley
intact,
with
Southeast
Boise.
The
way
that
the
current
districts
do
both
the
neighborhood
and
council
member
representing
this
district
will
benefit
from
keeping
these
neighborhoods
in
the
same
Council
District.
Thank
you.
H
Yeah
Madam,
chair
I,
have
a
question:
Mr
Stark.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
providing
written
comments
as
well.
We
did
read
them
one
question
I
had
for
you,
I
know
from
the
beginning
of
this
commission.
One
of
our
biggest
key
interests
was
ensuring
that
the
neighborhood
associations
had
had
as
much
if
not
more
emphasized,
information
as
the
rest
of
Boise.
H
V
We
were
happy
with
the
way
things
are:
we've
had
quite
a
bit
on
our
plate
and
we're
volunteers.
We've
got
several
different
fires,
we're
working
on.
So
when
we
looked
at
watch
the
last
meeting
and
looked
at
the
maps
like
we
actually
prefer.
V
Five
and
three
to
you
know
out
of
the
maps
that
were
presented
not
as
much
as
the
way
things
are
currently
but
I
mean
we'd
even
be
happy
with
just
absorbing
the
Timberline
High
School
boundaries,
some
of
it
you
know,
there's
the
shared
identity
and
then
there's
also
having
a
voice
before
I
moved
to
Barber.
Valley.
Four
years
ago,
I
lived
at
the
Far
West
End
of
Boise.
V
We
built
a
house
in
the
90s
at
Eagle
and
Chinden
before
everything
blew
up
and
I
I
understand
what,
because
it
felt
like
City
Hall
thought
that
we
were
Meridian
a
lot
of
times
with
the
barber
Valley.
It
feels
like
City
Hall
things
were
Mountain
Home
and
we
want
to
have
a
voice,
and
we
also
are
afraid,
in
addition
to
these
things,
that
we
tie
in
more
to
Southeast
than
the
East
End
on
the
North
End.
But
just
like
now,
where
it
feels
like
there's
a
big
voice
to
the
North
End
and
the
East
End.
W
Hello,
I'm,
Wayne,
Ritchie
I
live
at
4137,
Mountain
View
in
Boise.
Do
all
of
you
remember
our
last
districting
map.
They
hired
some
attorneys
paid
a
lot
of
money
for
it.
The
last
time
I
was
in
this
room.
I
came
in
and
I
accused
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
of
creating
the
most
gerrymandered
set
of
districts.
Anyone
has
ever
seen
and
I
see
that
on
these
Maps
also,
okay
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
we
all
notice
that
almost
every
single
map
there's
a
division
line
right
down.
15Th
Street.
W
W
Does
everybody
know
why
we
started
at
15th
Street
anybody
does
anybody
know
why
we
started
at
15th
Street,
because
five
of
the
city,
council,
members
and
the
mayor
all
live
within
about
a
half
mile
of
15th
Street.
So
we
have
to
draw
the
line
there
first,
so
that
the
city
council
members
can
run
for
re-election
next
year.
W
So,
let's
start
there,
then
we'll
draw
all
the
other
districts
later.
Okay,
that's
what
gerrymandering
is
you
look
at
every
one
of
these
maps
and
they
all
run
right
down
the
middle
of
15th
Street?
First,
okay,
now
I
noticed
everybody
here
is
upset
about
their
little
corner
of
the
world,
but
don't
think
we
didn't
notice,
that's
where
it
started.
A
Know
well
I'm
just
wondering
because,
specifically,
the
map
that
I
submitted
didn't
run
down.
15Th
Street
or
at
least
the
amended
map
that
I.
A
Right
now,
I
was
gonna,
say
so
I
think
the
impartial.
The
questioning
the
impartiality
of
the
the
the
board
here
is
kind
of
unfair,
because
we
all
do
our
best
and
we
all
did
put
forth.
W
Different
Maps
think
of
this.
Think
of
it
like
this.
Probably
what
eight
out
of
all
the
maps
10
of
all
the
maps,
run
down
the
middle
of
15th
Street.
Okay,
look
at
them
it's
on
there.
What
would
everybody
say
is
the
strongest
neighborhood
District
in
Boise,
the
North
End,
the
North
End
neighborhood
association
was
very
strong.
It's
been
there
for
a
long
time.
They
all
vote.
They
are
their
own
little
Community.
A
I
and
I've
commented
on
that
multiple
times:
okay,
right,
like
that
I
commented
last
week,
I've
commented
this
week
about
to
that
fact
and
that
I
I
personally
didn't
appreciate
that
fact.
So
I
I
just
think
it's
disingenuous
to
say
that
we're
not
being
or
that
we're
gerrymandering
when
it's
been
brought
up,
we've
discussed
it.
Some
of
us
have
submitted
maps
that
didn't
do
that
so
I
I.
Just
don't
appreciate
that
comment
and
that's
all
thank.
H
On
it
also,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I
have
a
question:
Mr
Richie.
Would
you
stand
for
one
more
question?
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
just
have
one
question:
if
using
your
argument
about
where
the
concentration
of
city
council
members
are,
would
you
agree
that
then
come
the
next
election
cycle?
Majority
of
the
council
would
change.
R
I
just
want
to
comment
yeah
point
out
that
you're
I
hope
that
he
appreciates
that.
Yes,
you
did
I'll
support
what
you
said
that
you
did
bring
up
your
concerns
about
that
area
and
you
did
map
it
differently.
I'm
acted
differently,
I
know,
others
did
as
well
and
so
I
think
he's
reading
too
much
into
the
maps
that
did
happen
to
go
down.
R
15Th
Street
I
for
one
have
no
idea
where
any
of
the
current,
oh
no
I,
know
one
councilwoman
or
where
she
lives
and
the
other
ones
I
have
no
idea
where
they
live
and
or
the
mayor
for
that
matter.
So
to
suggest
that
we
were
focusing
on
going
down,
15th
Street
I
think
is
disingenuous.
R
W
X
Hi,
my
name
is
Chris
Ellis
I
live
at
11220
West
Daniel
Court
in
Boise
I
grew
up
on
Caldwell,
but
I've
lived
in
that
home
for
the
last
19
years.
I,
don't
envy
your
job
of
redistricting,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
a
city
council
member
actually
know
the
area
that
they
are
representing
and
the
current
map
or
what
I
understand
is.
X
The
city
I'm
sure
none
of
you,
but
somebody
at
the
city
decided
it
would
be
a
great
idea
to
not
take
care
of
our
neighborhood
park,
not
to
mow
it
not
to
water
it,
but
to
just
let
it
Turn
Back,
To
Nature
and
unfortunately,
the
people
that
made
that
decision
obviously
didn't
know
who
used
the
park
didn't
know
they
had
soccer
practice
at
the
park.
Didn't
know
that
the
daycare
would
bring
children
down
almost
every
day
during
the
summer
to
play
at
the
park.
X
Didn't
know
that
the
senior
center
that
is
across
Five
Mile,
which,
ironically,
isn't
even
in
this
map,
would
bring
people
to
walk
through
the
park,
see
the
Ducks
enjoy
the
Green
Space,
so
after
several
months
of
the
park
totally
deteriorating
turning
to
weeds
dirt.
Many
many
calls
from
the
neighborhood
that
decision
was
rescinded
and
the
city
then
had
to
spend
money
to
redo
the
park,
to
re
put
in
the
sod,
get
the
sprinklers
back
up
and
running
and
maintain
it
again.
X
It
was
a
very
costly,
frustrating
Endeavor
that
really
didn't
need
to
happen,
and
my
concern
is
when
we
have
a
city
council
member
who
geographically
doesn't
know
anything
about
where
we
live
and
the
recreational
areas
we
have
in
the
Parks
we
enjoy.
Those
poor
decisions
will
be
made
again.
So,
for
those
reasons,
I
support
a
neighborhood
map
that
goes
at
least
from
Eagle
or
just
across
Eagle,
at
least
to
Maple
Grove.
That
would
also
include
the
Hyatt
Lakes
Hidden
Reserve,
which
is
a
nature
reserve.
X
A
Have
a
question
actually
yeah.
So
what
would
you
say
about
the
people?
Because
if
you
look
at
this
map
in
District
well
I'm
here,
it's
District
three
but
I
believe
that
would
have
been
District
six,
the
ones
who
live
all
the
way,
almost
to
Eagle
and
being
represented
potentially
by
someone
who
lives
in
the
West
End
of
downtown.
X
So
I
don't
live
in
that
area.
Well,.
A
X
A
And
I
guess
you
know
what
I'm
saying
is
like
with
our
Geographic
challenges
that
we're
dealing
with
I
guess
some
sacrifices
need
to
be
made
and
and
that's
what
we're
we're
trying
to
figure
out
here
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if,
if
that
would
be
comparable.
X
Yeah
I
I,
don't
know,
I
can't
speak
to
the
difference.
I
mean
it's
not
obviously
near
as
far
North
and
South
as
it
is
on
the
district.
One
map,
which
goes
from
like
Amity
all
the
way
down
to
Chinden,
which
is
like
seven
miles,
and
it's
not
near
so
geographically,
it's
not
as
far
but
I
can't
really
speak
to
the
diversity
of
those
neighborhoods.
A
Thank
you
next
would
be
Jamie
hagstrom.
D
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jamie:
hagstrom
I
live
at
12152,
West
Lewisburg
Court,
Boise
83709
I'm,
here
representing
our
HOA,
which
is
the
Claymore
Estates
HOA.
We
are
south
of
the
overpass
on
Cloverdale,
Road
and
I
think.
Unfortunately,
the
current
map
splits
my
community
and
my
neighborhood.
It
also
combines
communities
that
are
miles
apart
instead
of
using
these
natural
geographic
boundaries.
D
I
want
to
add
my
support
to
those
comments
of
Mr,
King
and
Mr
tudlow
and
commissioner
Peter,
even
that
the
Western
Boise
neighborhoods
United
map
I,
think
plays
to
those
natural
boundaries
a
lot
better
in
it,
in
partnership
with
commission
map
11,
but
dividing
existing
areas
and
communities
of
Interest
instead
of
uniting
them
is
a
concern
of
mine.
I.
Think
you
divided
neighborhoods
of
West
Valley,
west
Boise,
Southwest,
Ada,
County,
Alliance
and
South
Coal
I
know
that
the
South
Coal
neighborhood
association
has
already
spoken
and
I
have
similar
concerns.
D
I
encourage
you
to
unite
the
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
interests
instead
of
dividing
them.
I
think
that
we
have
in
South
Boise
south
of
the
freeway,
especially
our
conservative
Community.
We
have
several
schools,
several
city
parks,
that
has
been
a
tremendous
area
of
growth
in
the
South,
a
lot
of
Parade
of
Homes.
D
It's
becoming
an
attractive
place
to
live
and
I
think
that
combining
those
those
views
with
some
of
these
more
natural
boundaries
play
to
those
conservative
neighborhoods
that
we
have
that
kind
of
make
that
South
area
very
special
there's
another
map
for
consideration
that
keeps
the
population
of
districts
more
balanced.
It
keeps
neighborhoods
and
communities
of
Interest
together,
like
I
mentioned
and
we'll
stand
to
the
test
of
time
through
the
precinct
map
Provisions
because
they'll
be
you
know
that
two-year
guideline.
So
this
map
of
city
council
districts
makes
sense
because
it
it
maintains.
D
Those
communities
like
I,
said
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
alternative
and
to
make
some
adjustments
in
the
western
part
of
the
city
where
I
live.
We've
been
there
since
2009.
We
have
I'm
also
an
alternate
to
the
dis.
My
District
representative
of
our
area
I
know
I'm
on
the
west
data
school
district
superintendent
advisory
committee.
We've
got
a
very
big
West,
ADA,
School,
District
I
know
it
Services
a
large
area,
but
I
know
inside
my
smaller
community
of
home
that
those
views
are
very
important
to
me.
D
A
Okay.
Next,
we
have
Wendy
doll,
but
I
do
just
want
to
make
clear
that
homeowners
associations
do
only
just
get
three
minutes.
Neighborhood
associations
get
10
just
for
clarification
purposes,
so
Wendy.
Y
Okay,
well,
my
name
is
Wendy
dally.
I
live
at
11949
West
armga
in
Boise
in
83709,
I
have
been
on
the
board
of
the
HOA
for
the
Crawford
plays
and
pepper
Hills,
which
all
is
in
the
southwest
part
of
Boise
I'm,
very
alarmed
at
the
division
of
how
it
will
split
my
community
in
my
neighborhood.
As
far
as
churches
and
parks
and
and
schools,
my
child
went
to
Mountain
View,
High
School,
and
so
that
area
is
is
very
important
to
me.
Y
I
think
when
we
look
at
districts
versus
precincts,
they're
totally
different
precincts
can
be
divided
multiple
times
over
multiple
years,
where
districts,
of
course,
will
stay
in
place
for
about
10
years
and
so
I
think
it
really
minimalizes.
You
know
our
Southwest
Boise
Alliance
I'm,
also
in
Priest,
take
17
and
you
have
split
my
precinct,
and
so
it
isn't
equal
the
people
that
I
associate
with
the
people
that
I
work
with.
As
far
as
you
know,
what
we
look
at
is
in
Southwest.
Boise
is
being
split
up.
Y
You've
taken
that
Alliance
and
split
it
right
down.
The
middle
I
live
in
the
south
part
over
the
freeway
on
Overland
and
Cloverdale,
and
now
you've
associated
with
me,
people
down
into
card
and
City
and
Eagle,
which
has
a
totally
different,
feel
and
different
a
different
community.
And
so
you
have
totally
split
it.
Y
You
split
my
district
into
three
different
areas,
and
so,
as
a
district
or
a
council
in
the
in
the
city
of
Boise,
it
seems
like
I
will
have
no
Vote
or
no
interest,
because
there
will
be
three
different
people
that
will
be
so
spread
out
that
there
won't
be
any
interest,
I
think
as
far
as
a
map
that
you've
looked
and
you
fairly
have
done
some
areas.
But
I
really
hope
that
you
can
reconsider
the
Southwest
Boise
area
and
look
at
this
new
map
that
has
been
presented
by
West,
the
Western,
Boise,
neighborhood,
United
Association.
Y
And
just
when
thing
I
was
looking
back
at
the
previous
because
they
did
hire
an
outside
consultant
to
look
at
the
divisions
prior
to
this
redistricting
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
specifically
say-
and
this
was
done
by
Peter-
a
Morrison,
a
PhD,
a
consulting
firm.
Who
looked
at
that.
If
you
go
back
and
you
look
at
that,
it
will
say
that
the
plan,
even
looking
at
as
far
as
into
2023,
would
require
modest
recalibration
and
based
on
how
development
and
growth
goes
in
the
into
those
communities.
Y
And
if
you
look
at
the
communities
south
of
the
freeway,
you
will
see
that
there
there
will
be
growth
because
that's
where
the
land
is,
and
so
those
communities
will
grow
and
if
you
align
them
with
the
Northern
end
of
of
the
freeway.
With
those
where
they
will
have
very
little
growth.
It
just
will
not
be
equal
and
it
won't
be
representative.
Y
It
will
be
unequivocally
illogical
to
keep
those
boundaries
split
up
in
three
different
areas
and
one
of
the
things
that
specifically
said
in
redistricting
criteria
as
respecting
established,
neighborhood
communities
of
interest
within
the
city,
and
you
have
not
done
that.
You
have
not.
You
may
have
done
it
on
the
other
hands.
But
when
you
look
at
the
Southwest
Boise,
you
need
to
consider
the
interest
and
the
geographical
impact
that
you
will
have
on.
Z
Y
A
Okay.
Next,
we
have
Steve
Madden.
AA
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
the
commission
for
the
work
you're
doing.
My
name
is
Steve
Madden
I
live
at
1120,
East,
Lewis,
Street
83712
in
Boise.
That's
the
historic
East
End
I'm,
not
a
member
of
a
neighborhood
association.
AA
I,
looked
in
to
getting
involved
with
my
neighborhood
association
because
I'm
a
Conservative
Republican.
It
wasn't
really
literally
my
cup
of
tea
for
that
group,
so
I'm
I'm,
a
standalone
in
my
neighborhood
I'm,
a
member
in
good
standing
of
the
Ada
County
GOP
Central
Committee,
and
on
the
precinct
committeeman
for
1923,
where
I
live.
So
my
interest
is
more
about
the
political
makeup
and
the
representation
on
the
city
council
than
it
is
about
preserving
neighborhoods
and
neighborhood
associations.
AA
I
ran
for
City
Council
seat
five
last
year,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time,
canvassing
all
over
District
Five,
talking
with
probably
seven
or
eight
different
neighborhood
associations
listening
to
their
needs,
their
complaints,
their
concerns,
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
sympathetic
to
that
concept
of
neighborhoods
and
people
that
want
to
preserve
what
they
live
in
and
the
the
the
flavor
of
where
they
live,
and
their
neighborhoods
I'm
also
concerned
that
the
concept
of
representative
government
I
don't
want
that
to
be
overlooked
in
this
process.
AA
The
last
redistricting
map
that
we
used
for
the
city
council
elections
last
year
was
honestly
an
embarrassment.
It
made
sure
that
all
five
of
the
city
council
incumbents
were
on
the
ballot
as
incumbents.
None
of
them
had
to
run
against
each
other.
There
was
an
opportunity,
then,
to
divide
the
city
up
a
little
more
fairly
by
population
density,
my
neighborhoods,
but
it
was
ignored.
AA
What
I
want
to
do
is
I
want
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
providing
equal
representation
on
the
city
council,
making
sure
that
everyone
that
lives
in
the
city
of
Boise
has
a
voice
has
someone
they
can
call
someone
they
can
talk
to.
Who
will
care
and
will
listen
and
not
bring
an
opposite
agenda
to
the
work
they
do
up
here
on
the
Das
I've
been
watching
City
politics
for
two
three
years
and
it's
very
biased.
It
has
an
agenda.
A
lot
of
people
don't
agree
with
it.
AA
That's
why
I
decided
to
run
for
city
council
I
wanted
to
bring
some
of
those
things
to
light
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
six
people
that
sit
up
here
represent
a
very
balanced
view
of
the
city
and
that
the
I
I
think
it's
brilliant
that
they
actually
have
to
live
in
the
district
that
they
represent.
AA
The
white
took
so
long
to
come
to
that
conclusion,
but
it's
a
really
brilliant
idea.
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
talk
to
my
city
council
person.
I
can
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
before
the
last
election,
who
didn't
have
a
sympathetic,
Voice
or
or
an
ear
that
was
tuned
to
their
concerns
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
idea
of
representative
government
is
really
embraced
in
this
process
and
that
you
draw
a
map
that
represents
an
equal
distribution
by
population,
not
by
voter
registration,
not
by
voting
records,
not.
A
You
we
definitely
appreciate
that
and
take
that
to
heart,
I
think
up
here,
I
think
every
single
one
of
us
is
pretty
Civic
minded
in
the
sense
that
we
we
believe
in
you
know
one
person,
one
vote,
equal
representation
across
the
board,
so
I
guess
my
question
for
you
is:
are
you
in
favor
of
the
map
that
we
have
put
forth
then?
Or
are
you
against
it,
because
you
never
quite
addressed
that.
A
AA
To
the
City
Council
election,
okay,
it's
a
much
better
map.
I
still
think
there's
something
could
be
done.
I
would
like
to
honestly
I'd
like
to
see
where
the
addresses
of
the
incumbent
city
council
members
are
in
relation
to
this
map
right.
A
AA
And
see
if
they
are
actually
living
in
a
different
Council
or
if
they're,
all
you
know
still,
if
they're
actually
encumbered
by
having
to
be
clustered
into
one
space
like
they
are
now
or
they
were
probably
previously
or
if
they're
actually
going
to
have
to
campaign
and
run
against
somebody.
AA
We
don't
have
that
information
unfortunately,
but
I
could
probably
do
that
homework
myself,
but
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
I
value
your
work,
I
really
appreciate
it.
It's
a
really
difficult
job
you're
going
to
make
a
lot
of
people
angry
you're,
going
to
make
a
lot
of
people
happy
and
I'm,
hoping
that
when
the
dust
all
settles,
do
we
have
a
map,
that's
actually
going
to
produce
a
city
council
that
represents
everyone
and
we'll
listen
to
everyone,
and
that
we
can
have
a
more
balanced
government
in
the
city.
Okay,.
AA
AB
Okay,
perfect
hi,
hello,
my
name
is
Ashley
Prince
I
live
at
1424,
South,
Loveland,
Street
and
I
was
here
just
two
weeks
ago,
so
I
came
back
so
as
part
of
the
original
testimony
process,
I
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
all
the
maps
that
were
presented
then,
and
at
the
time
map
8
had
really
stood
out
to
me.
AB
I
live
off
of
the
late
top
bench,
but
I
am
a
renter
and
I
have
actually
lived
in
a
lot
of
different
places
in
the
last
12
years
and
then
just
finally
kind
of
found
my
home
there
and
in
that
support,
I
think,
particularly
like
the
compactness
of
the
districts.
The
really
clear
boundaries
stood
out
to
me.
One
of
the
things
that
I
was
kind
of
worried
about
were
the
producing
splits
on
Boise
Avenue.
AB
So
when
I
watched
the
commissioner
meeting
last
weekend
week,
I
think
it
was
last
week
and
I
saw
that
there
was
an
improved
map
that
actually
removed
that
it
just
felt,
like
you
guys
heard
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
come
up
here
and
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
This
process
seems
just
really
responsive
to
the
public,
I
love,
seeing
so
many
people
here
tonight
as
well
and
yeah
bye.
Thank
you.
Thank.
AC
Okay,
can
you
guys
hear
me
cool?
My
name
is
Michael
Astra
I'm
at
1161
Kingfisher
way
in
Boise,
83709
I.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
apologize.
I
did
submit
the
the
map,
it's
the
Western
Boise
neighborhoods
United,
and
it's
in
combination
with
your
your
11
and
I
have
extra
copies.
AC
AC
Not
I've
never
done
this
before
so
bear
with
me.
So,
like
I,
said,
I'm
I'm
in
the
South,
while
I'm
in
the
southwest
Boise
neighborhood
I've
I've
lived
in
Boise
I
grew
up
here,
I
went
to
school
West
Junior
High
before
they
knocked
it
down.
I
went
to
school
at
Amity
Elementary
before
they
knocked
it
down.
I
can
cry
about
both
of
those
set
it
aside,
I'm
back
in
the
in
the
southwest
Boise.
AC
Again
it's
it's
home
to
us
and
and
what
I'm
going
to
say
is
this
has
got
to
be
the
most
thankless,
damn
job
in
the
universe,
no
matter
what
you
guys
do
nobody's
gonna
like
it
they're
all
going
to
hate
you
you're
gonna,
you're
gonna,
make
half
of
everybody
mad
I,
don't
envy
you,
but
you
guys
did
really
I
looking
at
it.
We
think
you
did
good
to
a
point,
but
in
the
southwest
Boise
area,
you've
broken
us
up
into
three
different
areas.
We
think
this
map
more
accurately.
AC
It
fixes
that
it,
it
unites
our
neighborhood
and
it
doesn't
separate
Southwest
Boise
and
combine
it
with
Northwest
Boise,
which
makes
zero
sounds.
It
keeps
Southwest
Boise
and
Southwest
Boise.
It
keeps
Northwest
Boise
and
Northwest
Boise
it.
It
really
I
can't
speak
highly
enough
on
that.
For
too
long
we've
been
really
really
sort
of
ignored
because
of
the
way
the
districts
have
been
drawn.
AC
There's
a
person,
that's
representing
us
that
can't
because
they
don't
know
us
is
essentially,
you
might
might
gripe
sorry
I'm
all
over
the
map,
but
a
little
nervous
with
this
map.
What
it
does
like
I
said.
In
our
opinion,
it's
just
a
small
tweak,
but
it
keeps
the
districts.
It
keeps
the
neighborhoods
more
cohesive
and
it
still
keeps
the
populations
and
and
the
other
rules,
because
I
know
you
guys
have
a
whole
lot
of
competing,
like
this
rule
competes
without
rule
competes
that
rule
and
how
do
you
square
all
those
circles?
AC
We
think
this
does
a
better
job
of
doing
it
and
again
I
apologize
for
taking
until
last
night
to
get
it
submitted,
but
see
here
it
is
in
close
again
I
I
do
want
to
thank
you
guys,
you
you're
all
it's
a
thankless
job,
I
I
I
really
urge
you
to
consider
the
Western
Boise
neighborhoods
United
and
the
commission
11
map.
AC
AC
The
one
we
submitted
versus
yours,
you
know
I,
should
know
that
and
I
don't
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
apologize.
It
was
built
as
part
of
a
committee.
Okay
I
mean
I.
Wasn't
the
only
person
we
kind
of
got
together
and
went
okay?
Well,
this
makes
sense.
So
it
didn't
occur
to
me
to
look
at
that
specific
piece
of
information.
Okay,.
H
Madam,
chair
can
I
just
ask
a
question.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
I'm
impressed
by
your
population
deviation
on
the
map
and
just
so
that
the
public,
maybe
Knows
Why
precincts,
are
such
a
critical
piece,
because
that
was
the
Ada
County
Clerk
came
and
complained
about
the
current
map
because
of
how
many
precincts
were
split
and
I.
H
Think
it's
really
important
for
the
public
to
know
that
the
reason
why
both
the
statute
and
the
city
council
ordinance
really
asked
for
precincts
books
to
be
at
a
minimum
is
because
it's
an
election,
Integrity
question.
You
have
two
zones
overlapping
and
one
Precinct.
It
can
have
an
issue
where
people
are
not
maybe
getting
the
right
ballot
when
they're
going
into
vote.
So
I
just
hope
that
you
know
it's
okay,
that
you
don't
have
it
on
here
today.
H
We
could
probably
go
look
at
it
and
if
you
happen
to
find
that
information,
that's
important,
but
I
think
you
know
when
we
thought
there
were.
There
was
at
least
one
map
that
split
this
way
and
I
think
we
had
debated
it.
The
downside
was
the
amount
of
Precinct
splits
that
period
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here.
A
You
next
is
Abigail
Sanford.
O
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Abigail
Stanford
I
live
at
2000,
North
Mountain,
Cove,
Road,
Boise
I
was
here
a
couple
weeks
ago
in
support
of
map
number
eight
and
I
tuned
into
the
meeting
last
week,
and
I
just
want
to
commend
you
all
for
doing
such
a
good
job
at
collaborating
with
the
community
and
taking
into
account
a
lot
of
different
perspectives
and
coming
up
with
map
number
11
I'm
really
impressed
with
this,
and
thank
you
to
the
community
members
that
testified
before
and
and
making
sure
that
you
all
are
aware
of
all
of
these
different
perspectives.
O
I,
as
we've
mentioned
before,
there
are
a
lot
of
unique
parts
of
Boise
and
distinct
and
recognizable
communities.
Map
number
11
maintains
the
Integrity
of
those
communities
and
it
observes
legal
guidelines
with
zero,
Precinct
splits,
which
I
think
is
just
really
incredible.
Thank
you
and
I
am
just
grateful
that
this
map
11,
is
a
culmination
of
the
community
and
this
commission
working
together
to
promote
to
produce
a
map
that
is
sound
and
fair.
So
thanks
thank.
J
I
I
have
children
and
grandchildren
that
also
live
in
in
West
Boise
at
various
locations
and
very
interact
extensively.
We
all
do
with
local
churches
and
businesses.
My
local
HOA
and
my
grandkids
have
gone
to
Ustick
Elementary
in
Lowell,
Scott,
Middle,
School
I.
Think
I've
heard
some
very
compelling
testimony
to
not
be
in
support
of
map
11
and
to
look
for
Alternatives,
especially
because
of
its
impact
in
the
west
Boise
area
and
Southwest
Boise
area
as
well.
J
We
see
that
the
division
kind
of
mingles
those
those
two
distinct
groups
and
many
people
here
are
opposed
to
that
excessive
Division
and
mingling.
This
current
map
11
it
splits
my
community
and
my
neighborhood.
In
fact,
it
splits
the
splits
neighborhoods
11
times
and
there's
been
discussion
about
the
favoring
of
Precinct
lines
over
neighborhood
boundaries
and
I.
Think
you
can
find
a
much
better
balance
to
reduce
the
number
of
splitting
of
the
neighborhood
boundaries
so
drastically
I
at
appearance.
J
J
We
basically
connect
with
other
neighbors
and
businesses
for
the
most
part
from
Eagle
Road
to
Maple
Grove
and
from
well
even
north
of
she
ended
up
in
the
eagle,
but
basically
in
Boise,
from
schinden
down
to
Fairview,
and
we
don't
really
interact
in
the
same
way
when
you
get
south
of
the
freeway,
they
don't
interact
as
much
with
us,
so
the
division
is,
is
very
distinct
and
I.
J
AD
My
name
is
Dave
Kangas
and
I
reside
at
1715,
West
Canal
Street
we're
almost
there
getting
a
little
heated,
as
mentioned
earlier
by
David.
King
is
Boise
working
together.
I
am
not
here
representing
them,
but
boy
I
am
president
of
Boise
working
together
and
we
have
on
our
board
and
friends
that
we
regularly
meet
with
have
people
from
eight
different
neighborhood
associations,
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
on
a
map.
AD
That
seemed
to
be
a
long,
detailed
conversation
and
in
thinking
about
it
over
the
last
week,
I
really
think
that
that
West
District
One
in
map
11
covering
the
area
Meridian
I,
don't
want
to
use
the
word,
but
I
have
to
because
it
really
feels
a
little
bit
gerrymandered
along
partisan
lines.
We're
not
supposed
to
have
partisan
politics,
but
all
politics
is
partisan,
no
matter
how
you
try
to
get
away
from
it.
The
further
west
you
go.
AD
The
more
conservative
the
population
goes.
So,
by
doing
that,
you
can
say
that
making
one
district
is
going
to
be.
One
type
is
basically
going
to
be
a
conservative
district
and
then
it
makes
it
easier
for
the
other
two
districts
to
be
other
than
that,
and
that
would
say
by
my
guess
would
say
that
five
of
these
six
districts
would
go
one
way
and
you'd
have
one
going.
Conservative
and
I
really
don't
think.
That's
the
process
or
the
map
that
we
want
going
forward.
AD
I
would,
and
that
comes
out
when
I
was
looking
at
commissioner
Peter's
map.
That
really
seemed
to
break
that
up
to
a
point
where
the
voters
would
get
to
decide
who
is
going
to
be
representing
and
which
is
the
way
it's
supposed
to
be
versus
lines
drawn
in
the
map.
AD
I
do
have
a
different
opinion
than
a
lot
of
people
do
here
tonight
on
splitting
a
neighborhood
association,
because
for
me
it
gives
me
access
to
six
legislators
and
hopefully
two
different
city
council
people.
When
I
have
an
issue,
one
may
pick
up
the
phone,
the
other
one
might
not.
You
know
it's
hard
to
say
but
I
like
that
attitude.
Apparently
others.
Don't
I
want
to
suggest
and
strongly
urge,
don't
put
yourself
in
the
city
council
In
The
Box,
by
giving
them
one
map
to
choose
from.
AD
We
don't
want
to
reject
it
and
come
back
and
go
through
this
process
again.
That,
for
me,
I
would
suggest
that
you
take
a
look
at
two
maps.
I
think
three
might
be
too
many,
so
I
would
strongly
support
commissioner
Peters
map
14..
AD
Maybe
if
Eric
could
clean
it
up
a
little
bit
so
so
many
precincts,
weren't
split
but
I,
think
that
would
be
a
good
map
to
move
forward
as
well,
and
let
the
council
make
that
tough
call,
I
believe
it's
the
green
District
I
can't
think
of
what
number
it
was
that
has
the
negative
population
that
area
because
of
Micron
and
was
currently
under,
develop
being
built
and
under
permitting
stage
right
now
we're
going
to
be
redoing
this
in
six
years,
there's
so
much
growth
in
that
area.
AD
A
Z
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
I
do
not
blame
you
guys
for
the
split
on
15th
Street,
I,
blame
Garden,
City,
okay,
there's
very
little
ways
to
to
do
anything
on
that
north
end
with
that.
I
also
do
not
blame
you
for
West
Boise
in
the
splits
that
we're
looking
at
there
I
blame
myself.
I
did
not
submit
a
map
and
I,
don't
think
anybody
who
lived
in
West
Boise
submitted
a
map
before
today.
Z
Z
The
map
that
I'm
showing
you
is
only
looking
at
the
three
districts
in
West
Boise
I,
grew
up
on
Boise
Avenue
got
shipped
bus
to
Boise
High
I've
lived
on
the
bench.
This
bench
have
lived
on.
The
west
bench
I
now
live
in
Southwest
Boise
I'm
only
looking
at
the
three
districts
and
for
the
for
give
me
a
little
bit
more
time
because
I'm
southwest
Ada,
County
Alliance
here
have
I
got
my
10
minutes.
Yet.
Okay
with
I
want
to
take
a
look
at
this
map.
Go
ahead.
Z
Z
That
yeah,
we
just
wanted
to
clarify
so
I
didn't
I
did
not
because
I
was
not
able
to
get
into
after
not
having
submit
I
didn't
get
into
and
look
at
population
things.
So
I
just
looked
at
how
this
is
laid
out
and
looking
at
it
from
house
walking
the
other
neighborhood
associations
look
at
zoning
and
that
type
of
thing
and
I
want
to
take
a
look
at
to
start
with
the
red
area
that
I
have,
which
is
Southwest
Boise
Southwest
Boise
is
one
acre
lots.
Five
acre
lots.
Half
acre
lots.
Z
A
few
subdivisions
almost
no
blocks.
Okay.
So
when
we're
looking
at
things
that
might
come
up
in
a
zoning
application,
we're
looking
at
somebody
selling
an
acre
that
gets
filled
in
with
four
duplexes
or
a
five
acre
plot
that
gets,
you
know
100
Apartments
put
on
it.
We
got
a
10
acre
lot
right
now,
that's
looking
at
200
Apartments
to
be
put
on
it.
Z
It's
a
whole
different
thing,
then
I
have
what
I
have
in
mine
is
the
blue
area,
which
is
bench
area
bench
area,
is
very
much
like
a
North
End
and
that
a
lot
of
the
places
are
have
alleys
and
blocks
the
infill
that
comes
in
there
is
where
a
house
a
duplex
might
be
sold,
and
you
get
two
straight
up
narrow
little
blocks
put
in
with
the
parking
on
the
Alley
when
nobody
has
ever
parked
on
the
Alley
in
the
bench.
Z
So
you
have
those
types
of
infill
situations
there
and
then,
when
I've
moved
into
the
West
Boise,
the
green
area,
the
west
and
the
Cloverdale
HP
area,
those
have
a
lot
of
subdivisions
that
are
a
little
bit
younger
than
mine,
they're,
only
30
years
old,
instead
of
50.
and
they're
subdivisions
they're.
Not
most
of
that
is
built
out.
There's
very
little.
That's
coming
up!
That's
that's
has
a
lot
of
that
infill
area
specifically,
so
so
many
of
the
subdivisions
I
just
want
to
take
a
look
at
this
as
having
one
of
the
reasons.
Z
G
A
R
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
speaking
I
just
want
to
mention
that
yes,
I
live
in
West
Boise
and
I
submitted
two
maps
as
one
of
the
comments,
but
I
think
that's
that's
an
excellent
point
as
far
as
the
understanding
what
development
means
in
different
parts
of
the
city
and
that
it
is
very
different
in
the
area
where
I
live
versus
Southwest
Boise.
So
yes,
thank
you
for
speaking
and
and
bringing
that
up.
I
think
that's
a
very.
Z
I
would
like
to
you
know
I
again,
since
I
didn't
submit,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
the
WHERE
Boise
City
might
grow
and
have
those
included
as
part
of
the
overlay.
Maybe
it
was,
and
I
would
be
really
nice
to
reopen
the
maps
for
some
of
us
out
there
in
West
Boise.
A
P
My
name's
Gwen
Skidmore
and
we
live
at
5392
North
Capstone
Avenue
in
Boise,
West
Boise,
83704
we've
been
there
for
about
21
years
and,
like
our
neighborhood,
a
lot
moving
from
Colorado
21
years
ago,
we
noticed
a
big
difference
from
our
community
in
Colorado
from
Boise.
Boise
is
very
different
geographically,
and
our
neighborhood
in
the
west
has
some
real
differences
that
I,
don't
think
are
considered
on
map
11.,
so
I'm
speaking
up
in
favor
of
the
western
neighborhoods
map,
I
like
it
better.
My
dad
was
a
civil
engineer,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
really
nervous.
P
My
dad
was
a
civil
engineer
and
he
worked
on
the
city
council
in
Boulder,
City,
Nevada
and
I
know
the
importance
of
being
comfortable
with
who
represents
you,
and
so
as
a
neighborhood
I
would
like
to
know
my
representative
and
the
way
it
split
up
on
map.
11
I,
don't
think,
does
a
good
job
of
doing
that.
I
know
you
put
a
lot
of
work
in
and
there's
been
a
lot
of.
You
know,
revisions
and,
and
decisions
made,
but
I
think
there's
a
better
way
to
do
it.
P
AE
Hi,
my
name
is
Kimberly
Kaylor
I
live
at
10813,
West
Sandpiper
Street
in
Boise,
83709
I've,
been
looking
at
the
different
Maps
and
to
be
honest,
I
haven't
lived
in
Boise
long
enough
to
really
get
a
sense
of
the
points
that
people
are
raising
other
than
if
I
just
look
at
it.
In
the
current
map,
some
of
the
proposed
maps
and
this
proposed
map
it
does
appear
and
I
I
live
in
in
Southwest
Boise
that
there's
some
there's
a
lot
of
disruption
on
the
west
side
and
I'm,
not
saying
it's
intentional.
AE
It's
just
that
in
my
in
my
precinct
and
I
and
I
think
precincts
are
very
fluid.
I,
don't
know
if
they're
the
the
best
way
to
to
use
it
as
a
determinative
factor,
but
you
know
the
neighborhoods
kind
of
geographically
or
concentric.
AE
You
know,
if
you
think
of
circles
and
people
kind
of
you
know,
move
around
in
their
neighborhoods
within
a
X-Files
right,
like
the
average
person
might
do
most
of
their
business
and
their
friends
within
like
five
miles
so
now,
I'm
getting
looks
like
where
I'll
be
I,
wasn't
six
and
now
I'll
be
in
one
and
I
I,
hardly
ever
go
to
like
Chinden
in
that
area
and
I
really
don't
actually
intergate
with
a
lot
of
people
in
Meridian
I'm
in
Boise.
So
it's
it's.
AE
It
just
seems
and
I
know
it's
not
intentional,
but
in
that
area
there's
a
lot
of
disruption
to
the
neighborhoods
and
so
I
kind
of
I
want
to
just
re-emphasize
all
the
other
points
that
folks
have
made
about
about
the
neighborhood
perspective
and
just
trying
to
re-look
at
it
and
try
to
think
of
like
those
concentric
circles
and
say:
where
can
we
be
as
just
you
know,
minimize
the
disruption?
I
know,
people
or
some
people
are
going
to
you
know
be
disrupted,
but
this
is
I.
A
AE
X
AF
They
also
come
up.
My
name
is
Rebecca
Arnold
I
live
at
11751,
West
Thomas
Drive
in
Boise,
and
that
is
in
West
Boise.
Thank
you
for
your
service
and
for
taking
the
time
to
do
this.
As
an
achd
commissioner
for
16
years,
I've
been
in
your
shoes
redistricting
more
than
once.
It's
not
easy.
It's
not
fun,
and
it's
very
stressful,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
a
breath.
Give
yourselves
a
break
and
take
a
little
more
time
to
look
at
this.
AF
AF
When
we
had
public
hearings,
we
had
a
lot
of
information
from
the
outside
from
staff
and
we'd
be
at
our
final
public
hearing,
and
someone
would
walk
in
and
present
issues
and
facts
that
simply
had
not
been
considered,
and
that
would
remind
me
of
the
importance
of
being
open
to
take
a
pause
and
try
to
make
the
best
decision,
even
if
it
meant
taking
a
little
extra
time
to
do
it.
AF
AF
A
We
have
one
more
on
Zoom.
AG
Okay,
I'll
try
to
project
my
name's
Shiva
I'm,
a
senior
at
Boise,
High,
I,
love,
Boise,
I
love
this
community
and
I
am
a
big
proponent
of
map.
11.
I
think
it's
a
huge
improvement
over
nap.
Eight
thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
look
at
all
these
different
Maps
I
would
argue
that
precincts,
you
know,
are
set
by
the
Statewide
commission,
they're
designed
not
to
split
neighborhoods
and
to
keep
communities
together
and
and
I
want
to
vote
with.
AG
With
my
precinct
on
city
council
I
think
it
keeps
it
easiest
for
vote
for
voters
to
understand
kind
of
where,
where
they're
voting
and
who
they're
voting
for,
whereas
you
know
I,
don't
even
know
where
my
neighborhood
association
boundary
is
so
yeah
I
support
map
11.
thanks
for
all
your
hard
work
on
this
thanks
for
considering
this,
and
thanks
to
all
the
community
members
who
have
given
this
money.
Thank.
A
You
Shiva
one
question:
what
is
your
address?
We
did
not
get
that
at
the
beginning.
AG
My
address
is
721
Hearthstone
Drive
83702.
AB
A
Okay-
and
that
should
conclude
the
open
testimony,
so
we
will
now
close
the
public
hearing.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
commissioners
I
I.
R
Have
a
question:
there's
been
several
references
to
precincts
that
I
think
were
incorrect.
I
think
people
were
thinking
about
the
districts,
the
legislative
districts
and
referring
to
them,
calling
it
precincts
precincts
change
the
districts
change
once
every
10
years,
but
the
precincts
can
change
in
between
there,
as
as
the
population
changes.
E
A
Do
you
do
with
precincts
precincts
change
every
10
years,
along
with
the
census?
They
update
those
when
they
do
redistricting
for
legislative
maps
and
all
of
that,
what
they
can
do
on
top
like
in
between
those
years
is
split
precincts,
so
it
wouldn't
actually
be
changing
any
boundaries.
It
would
literally
be
splitting
one
into
two.
A
And
therefore,
you
wouldn't
actually
have
any
issues
about
precincts,
not
aligning
with
the
the
city
council
map
for
the
full
10
years,
just
for
clarification's
sake.
Okay,.
H
Madam,
chair
I,
don't
have
a
question.
I
just
have
a
comment:
go
ahead.
Okay,
so
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
to
everyone
who's
here
today,
I
think
I,
guess
I'm,
sad,
I,
guess
that
we
didn't
get
a
copy
of
the.
What
the
map
that
folks
came
here
tonight
and
kind
of
United
for
I
think
you
know
we
we
went
above
and
beyond
it.
It
was
the
direction
of
the
commission
to
go
above
and
beyond
to
ensure
that
neighborhoods
were
vastly
aware
of
what
the
commission
was
trying
to
accomplish.
H
We
really
wanted
public
participation
when
it
came
to
this
process.
Council
wanted
public
participation
when
it
comes
to
this
process,
but
we're
also
tasked
with
maintaining
the
Integrity
of
the
law.
So
we
have
statutory
requirements.
We
have
Precinct
requirements
that
were
required
to
follow.
So
you
know,
I've
said
this
before
it
is
a
difficult
task
to
keep
all
of
what
people
wish
and
believe
and
their
own
personal
identities,
what
they
think
their
neighborhoods
and
what
they
think.
H
Boise
should
look
like
I
think
you
know
in
a
city
of
250,
plus
thousand
people
there's
probably
a
different
view
from
every
single
person,
so
it's
impossible
to
really
find
find
a
map
that
meets
the
needs
of
individual
people.
However,
what
is
possible
is
finding
the
most
legally
viable
map
that
we
can
submit
to
city
council.
So
I
want
the
folks
here
tonight.
If
you
weren't,
able
to
I,
encourage
you
to
go,
listen
to
the
previous
public,
testimony
that
the
commission
has
taken
previously,
both
in
written
testimony
and
in
a
previous
hearing.
H
We
got
overwhelming
support
for
one
specific
map
tonight.
Many
of
you
have
come
to
come
and
in
support
of
another
specific
map
and
unfortunately
I
don't
have
the
data
I
need
in
front
of
me
to
determine
if
this
is
a
legally
viable
and
suitable
map
that
this
commission
can
submit
to
city
council.
So
I
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
coming.
H
I
wish
that
we
could
have
seen
this
sooner
and
you
know
Mr
lowestra
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
your
name
correctly,
but
if
you,
if
you
know
those
Precinct
splits,
please
email,
the
commission.
We
do
get
every
single
email
and
I
know.
Many
of
us
are
volunteers,
but
we
read
every
single
email
that
comes
into
this
Commission,
because
we
know
this
public
participation
is
critical,
so
yeah
I
probably
had
more
to
add,
but
now
I'm
just
rambling.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
everyone
coming
tonight
and
I'll
conclude
there.
Thank
you.
A
I
want
to
Second
what
commissioner
Perry
or
vice
chair
Perry
is
saying.
Thank
you
all
for
coming.
Thank
you
all
for
your
input.
A
Thank
you.
No,
we
we
appreciate
that
and
we
will
take
your
feedback
into
consideration.
You
know
we
do
have
the
ability
to
look
at
the
maps
and
to
see
if
any
more
changes
need
to
be
made.
A
You
know
maybe
there's
a
way
to
if,
if
there
are
Precinct
splits,
you
know
maybe
there's
a
way
to
make
map
this
this
comp,
this
southwest
map
viable.
You
know,
that's
quite
possible,
it's
something
we'll
have
to
look
at
and
we'll
take
all
of
your
feedback
into
consideration
under
under
that,
but
we
do
have
to
choose
something
that
is
legally
viable.
So.
R
I
ask
the
question
chair,
so
thank
you.
That's
oh.
R
Yeah,
thank
you.
Peter
I
I,
just
not
clear
to
me,
so
the
map
that
was
presented
that
we
received
an
email-
and
you
had
paper
copies
there
of
it-
is
that
available
to
Us
online
and
has
it
been
checked
for
Precinct.
A
I,
just
don't
believe
so,
because
it
was
just
submitted
I,
think
last
night
or
early
this
morning.
Is
it.
A
We'll
have
to
check
with
Eric
and
we'll
we
can.
We
can
look
into
that
Kathy,
okay
or
commissioner
Peter.
A
At
it
question
for
Mr
lowestra,
did
you
make
the
map
shareable
to
everyone.
AC
A
R
Had
said
that,
it
was
made
and
aptitude,
but
I
wasn't
sure
about
that.
So
apparently
it
was
and
it
is
shareable.
So
that
would
be
helpful.
Okay,.
A
Great,
thank
you
any
other
comments
or
questions
all
right
with
that
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
Madam
Miss
meet
him.