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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee February 17, 2022
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February 17, 2022
A
B
D
A
All
right
well
we're
just
after
three
o'clock,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
material
to
cover.
So
I
just
want
to
welcome
everybody
to
the
february
17
citywide
advisory
committee
meeting
last
month
we
had
an
exciting
endeavor.
We
released
module
2
and
the
accompanying
documents
that
went
with
that.
So
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
those
materials
which
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
this
as
we
move
forward.
A
So
as
part
of
the
community
outreach.
Actually
seven
of
you
have
attended
at
least
one
of
those
meetings.
Some
of
you
have
attended
even
more,
and
we
appreciate
that
we
would
continue
to
encourage
you
to
participate
in
those
events.
It's
really
good
to
hear
what
our
community
members
are
talking
about,
what
they're
saying
and
really
listening
to
them.
A
So
let
me
just
go
ahead
and
encourage
you
to
check
out
that
calendar
of
events
and
attend
as
many
as
you
can
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
save
some
time
so
that
we
have
more
time
to
discuss
those
important
topics
from
module,
2
those
community
engagement
and
then
get
started
in
module
3..
So
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
dawn
and
let
him
take
the
show.
E
All
right,
thank
you
good,
to
see
all
those
faces
again
and
even
the
names
without
the
faces
that
are
attending
it's.
I
look
forward
to
these
meetings,
I'm
going
to
share
a
screen
here,
so
we
can
get
our
presentation
up
and
assuming
I
can,
let's
see
somebody
tell
me
whether
that's
visible
at
this
point.
E
G
E
E
Thank
you
got
it
got
again.
Thank
you,
god
save
brother
bell
all
right.
We
have
a
as
andre
said,
a
very
big
agenda
today
with
this
is
a
transition
meeting.
There
was,
as
andrey
said,
a
lot
of
meat,
a
lot
of
substance
in
the
module
we
we
probably
could
use
a
lot
of
time
to
review
that,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
We're
going
to
try
to
contain
that
part
of
this
reactions.
E
So
let's
say
about
the
first
quarter
of
this
and
we're
just
going
to
contain
the
conversation,
so
we
can
move
ahead
and
lay
the
foundation
for
the
next
chapter.
If
we
don't
have
time
to
get
to
your
questions
today,
please
do
put
them
in
writing
and
circulate
them.
E
As
for
the
not
only
the
the
cac
the
advisory
committee
here,
but
all
the
comments
that
we
get
are
being
rolled
into
thinking
about
how
what
changes
need
to
be
made
as
we
go
down
the
road
so
about
a
quarter
of
the
time
on
discussion
on
module
two
and
the
conversion
map
and
then
the
rest
of
it
on
module
three,
and
with
that,
I'm
going
to
I'm
gonna
kind
of
lay
this
out
a
little
bit
and
I'd
make
a
suggestion.
Just
as
a
reminder
to
you,
this
is
the
12
chapters.
E
This
list
is
the
12
different,
highly
complicated,
diverse
topics
that
are
covered
in
what
was
released
last
month.
I'm
only
putting
this
up
in
case,
it's
helpful
to
you
in
saying,
oh
yeah,
I
had
a
question
about
sensitive
lands.
E
So
please
do
that
we
we
always
need
to
have
andrea
and
the
staff
and
lena
and
others
involved
in
knowing
what
these
discussions
are
going
on.
So
if
you
want
to
copy
us,
that's
fine,
if
not,
they
usually
forward
them
straight
on
to
us
for
discussion,
but
this
is,
if
you
already
sent
your
comments
in-
let's
not
repeat
them
now,
we'll
either
answer
them
in
writing
or
we're
aware
of
them
and
we'll
bring
them
into
the
drafting
process.
E
I
would
like
to
start
by
saying
if
somebody
has
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
and
has
not
put
their
comments
in
writing.
You
have
been
too
busy.
You
were
in
the
process
and
then
things
got
out
of
ahead
of
you
or
you're
just
beginning
to
review
it
now.
But
you
have
questions
I'd
like.
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
that.
E
First
to
make
sure
that
everybody
on
the
committee
has
a
chance
to
comment,
even
if
they
did
not
have
to
go
in
writing
and
I'd
rather
make
sure
we
hear
all
of
the
comments
that
people
are
ready
to
make
today
before
we
dive
down
into
the
details
of
any
particular
comment.
If
we
do
that
for
a
few
minutes
and
it
turns
out
that
it
seems
like
anybody,
who's
ready
to
comment
today
has
commented,
then
we'll
move
on,
we
can
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
of
specific
answers
to
specific
questions
that
have
been
raised.
E
But
in
the
meantime,
let's
just
throw
it
out,
and
here
are
just
the
discussion
questions
we
had
we
had
prepared.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
the
concepts
or
the
concept
content
of
the
module?
What
about
the
zoning
conversion
map?
Once
again,
if
you've
commented
in
writing,
we've
got
it.
If
you
haven't
commented
in
writing,
but
you
are
concerned-
or
you
don't
understand
it-
that
would
be
fodder
for
this
discussion
and
you
know
andrea
said
some
seven
of
you
have
been
had
a
chance
to
attend
an
outreach
event.
E
But
if
you
have
comments
about
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
those
comments
too.
So
I'll
be
quiet
and
see.
If
anybody
wants
to
wants
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
who
has
not
already
put
their
comments
in
writing
first
and
we'll
go
from
there.
A
D
Thanks,
I'm
gonna
just
jump
to
attending
the
community
meetings,
and
I
was
reflecting
on
that
this
morning,
because
I
also
attended
some
of
the
meetings
from
the
early
days
of
this
event.
D
You
know:
we've
been
involved
with
this,
for
we
this
group
for
a
year
and
a
half,
and
it's
good
to
lay
the
foundational
pieces
at
the
meetings,
but
it
it
strikes
me
when
I
go
to
the
meetings
and
I'm
sure
others
will
voice
their
opinions
it's
hard
for
from
now.
D
I
feel
actu
like
I
actually
understand
this
a
little
bit
more
as
far
as
the
process
with
module
module
two,
but
if
there
was
any
way
to
to
help
people
at
the
meetings
and
throughout
the
city
that,
if
you
do
this
or
if
this
is
happening
in
your
neighborhood,
it's
sort
of
like
a
a
sample
document.
If
x,
then
y,
I
don't
it's
just
some
thoughts,
because
what
I've
heard
and
is
density
remains
an
issue
parking
and
remains
an
issue.
D
Housing
affordability
for
all
remains
an
issue
and
I
could
go
on
and
I'm
sure
you
have
statistical
analysis.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
really
have
a
solution:
how
to
help
people
understand
it,
but
it's
a
lot
to
digest.
A
Well,
it
looks
like
we
aren't
able
to
hear
from
her
quite
yet,
but
we
do
have
patrick
also
with
his
hand
raised
and
then
maybe
marissa
will
be
ready.
H
Hi,
I
have
a
laundry
list
of
particulars
that
I
haven't
turned
in
in
writing,
but
honestly,
it's
probably
better
in
writing.
It
gets
like
this
number
on
this
page
this
number
on
this
page,
and
this
and
this
so
I'll
kind
of
I
see
don
potentially
nodding
a
little
bit.
Maybe
it's
better
if
I
just
submit
the
long
laundry
list
in
writing
versus
go
through
them
in
like
a
tick
fashion.
Now,
though,
I'd
be
happy
to
do
so
is
that
is
that
a
fair
assumption
of
probably
the
most
appropriate
use
of
time
don?
H
E
Think
so
I
think,
because
often
when
the
questions
come
in,
it
involves
a
little
back
and
forth
between
us
and
andrea
and
lena
and
other
people
at
the
staff
and
diane
kushlin,
and
so
anyway,
we
we
often
need
to
bat
it
around
a
little
bit.
So
we'd
probably
be
better
prepared
to
answer.
If
you
put
it
in
writing,
patrick
yeah.
H
One
general
question
I
have
is
that,
as
I
reviewed
the
code
in
detail,
I
tried
to
figure
out
where,
in
our
code
you
know
what
you
might
call
a
classic
row
house
three
ish
stories
right
next
to
each
other
minimal
setback,
it's
kind
of
a
transitional
zone
that
allows
for
ownership
they're
generally
more
affordable
than
homes
and
larger
lots
where,
if
anywhere
that
belongs
in
our
city
and
as
best,
I
can
tell
that
you
know
like
unless
you're
gonna
put
it
in
like
mxd
or
something,
and
even
there
there's
some
setback,
concerns
that,
like
it
kind
of
feels
like
that
housing
topology
is
completely
banned.
H
As
far
as
I
can
tell-
and
maybe
I'm
missing
that,
but
and
if
I
am
I'd-
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
where
kind
of
a
row
house
topology
would
make
sense
and
be
allowed
in
the
zoning
code
is
written.
I
couldn't
find
anywhere
that
I
thought
seemed
to
fit
in.
E
A
E
E
A
A
Thanks
and
then
we
also
have
marissa
is
now
available,
she's
got
her
speaker
working,
so
we're
gonna
hear
from
marissa
and
then
ben
hello.
Can
you
hear.
I
Me
now:
yes,
okay,
sorry
about
that.
My
question
was
on
the
pud
part
and
under
section
3
the
amenities
waived
for
affordable
infill
of
residential
development.
I
thought
we
had
talked
about
that
a
long
long
time
ago,
and
I
was
just
curious
if
it
had
been
changed
from
what
we
had
talked
about,
or
I
thought
that
it
was
something
that
wasn't
really
supported
by
city
staff,
either.
A
So
marissa
you
you're
correct.
So
when
we
reviewed
module
one,
it
came
up,
we
said
nope.
We
are
not
supportive
of
that,
but,
as
don
had
said
early
on
the
way
that
the
project
has
been
scoped,
we
don't
make
amendments
to
module
one
two
or
three
until
the
very
end,
because
if
you
make
changes
in
module
three,
it
could
impact
module
one.
So
you're
gonna
see
that
change
occur
in
the
consolidated
plan,
so
hold
tight.
It
will
happen.
I
promise
okay.
Thank
you.
E
Let's
just
wait
for
another
30
seconds
or
a
minute
see
if
anybody
else
has
a
thought
that
occurs
to
them.
Otherwise
we
can
spend
some
of
this
time
providing
some
answers
to
some
of
the
less
complicated
or
simpler
questions
that
have
come
in
just
to
share
that
information
with
people,
but
most
important
is
make
sure
we
we've
heard
what
everybody
who
is
prepared
to
say
something
today
has
had
a
chance
to
do
so.
A
A
Are
there
areas
that
are
being
rezoned
or
that
will
be
zoned
differently
than
they
currently
are?
I'm
interpreting
the
conversion,
or
is
he
interpreting
the
conversion
incorrectly
and
deanna
and
lena
were
our
conversion
specialists.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
let
them
talk
about
exactly
how
that
was
done.
But,
yes,
you
are
correct
and
then
after
we
hear
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
drew
and
then
we
also
have
ben.
J
Yeah
and
I
think
andrea,
this
is
diana
everyone
thanks
chris
for
that
question.
I
think
andrea
really
summed
it
up.
Yes,
we
are
just
trying
to
do
a
straight
transfer
to
the
most
applicable
zone,
so
there
is
very
there's
no
re-zoning
happen.
It's
whatever
is
the
most
similar
we're
working
through
some
glitches
because
and
don
can
even
touch
on
this
there's
not
a
perfect
one-to-one
for
the
mx
mixed-use
street
and
mixed-use
activity
center.
But
almost
every
other
zone
is
a
one-to-one
transfer.
A
E
And
I'm
just
I
want
to
be
very
clear
for
people
just
real
quickly.
It's
not
that
we
don't
recommend
that
that
happen,
but
it
is
it's
a
much
cleaner
process
when
the
conversion
map
is
as
close
to
a
one-to-one
as
you
can
make
it
so
that
the
the
focus
stays
on
these
rules,
because
we
want
the
toolbox
to
be
right.
If
you
want
to
change
the
lines
and
say
that
shouldn't
be
mxn,
that
should
be
something
mx
should
be
another
mx
district.
E
That's
a
map
debate
and
it's
very
hard
to
debate
the
content
of
the
rules
and
the
map.
At
the
same
time.
So
the
most
successful
approach
we've
seen
has
been
use.
The
conversion
map
one-to-one
talk
about
whether
the
tools
apply
well,
as
shown
on
the
conversion
map,
if
not
talk
about
whether
the
rules
need
to
be
changed
in
order
to
work
that
way
and
then,
if
adopt,
adopt
the
code
and
then,
if
you
want
to,
and
the
plan
calls
for
quote,
unquote,
upzoning
or
down
zoning
or
fixing
of
historic
mistakes.
K
Thanks,
I
had
a
chance
to
attend
the
meeting
at
the
library
this
past
weekend
that
one
was
dual
focused
on
housing
and
the
rewrite.
My
only
comment
is
good
job.
I
think
the
city
is
doing
a
really
tremendous
job.
With
this
latest
round
of
meetings
engaging
the
community,
it
was
well
attended.
K
The
use
of
technology
was
really
helpful
for
having
conversation
asking
questions.
Staff
was
there.
Council
representation
was
there.
So
if
anything,
this
is
just
a
minute
for
me
to
say
good
job
well
done.
L
L
One
has
a
higher
height
limit,
but
they
are
very
different,
in
my
opinion,
from
a
commercial
development
standpoint,
and
so
I
had
a
call
earlier
this
week
very
thankful
for
their
time
to
walk
me
through
the
process
of
how
those
got
converted
on
the
map,
and
I
would
say
that
there's
still
some
work
to
be
done.
I
want
the
committee
to
know
about
that
conversation
and
my
opinion
on
that.
L
The
mxa
zones,
as
it's
called
out
in
blueprint
or
sorry
in
module
one
or
for
more
medium
intensity
zones,
closer
to
transit
and
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
develop
in
some
ways
in
module
one.
It
says,
they'd
be
one-eighth
of
a
mile
from
kind
of
major
intersections,
but
as
deanna
and
lena
explained
to
me,
there
was
some
difficulty
in
doing
that
in
the
current
map,
and
so
I
think,
a
good
way
to
describe
it.
L
The
situation
is
using
an
example
at
the
intersection
of
broadway
and
boise
avenue,
garfield
elementary
school
on
one
corner
and
the
new
car
wash
on
another
corner
and
then
two
office
buildings
on
the
west
side.
That's
an
activity
center
in
blueprint,
boise
and
so
and
also,
I
guess,
a
major
intersection.
L
So
the
mxa
according
to
module
one
would
be
one-eighth
of
a
mile
from
that
intersection,
but
using
the
old
zoning
map,
as
we
know
their
big
polygons.
If
you
click
on
a
c2
zone,
it's
some
weird
shape
up
and
down
broadway.
So
the
way
that
it
was
done
in
the
conversion
map
was
basically
from
a
mile
south
of
boise
avenue
as
mxa
and
for
a
mile
plus
north
of
boise
avenue
is
mxs.
L
L
I
think
it's
a
good
transition
in
the
ordinance,
but
if
you're
an
lo
property
owner
you're
a
mxn
owner
after
the
conversion-
that's
straightforward,
it's
very
objective,
but
the
mxa
mxs,
I
think,
requires
more
conversations
so
that
some
owner
who
gets
swapped
over
to
mxa
and
his
neighbor
across
the
street
as
mxs,
doesn't
get
upset
with
the
city.
E
Yeah-
and
I
I
was
not
involved
in
the
calls
earlier
today,
because
the
conversion
map
has
really
been
a
city
staff
effort
which
is
as
it
should
be,
but
I
I
would
your
comments
are
very
thoughtful,
then,
and
that's
exactly
right.
My
the
the
the
processes
we've
seen
that
work
most
successfully
is
when
they're
as
much
one-to-one
as
possible
and
when,
when
it's
not
there's
an
objective
reason
or
a
good,
a
good
rationale
for
it.
E
That
has
nothing
to
do
with
somebody's
influence
with
the
city
or
somebody's
amount
of
property
they
own
or
the
size
of
the
property.
So
again
I
cannot
predict
and
I
don't
want
to
suggest
that
I
know
how
it'll
turn
out
in
boise.
E
I
will
say
in
general,
as
long
as
you
get
to
the
end
of
this
process,
and
it
appears
that
there
were
rational
reasons
for
the
judgments
you
made,
and
there
were
consistent
reasons
for
the
judgments
you
made
as
to
how
to
parse
things
like
mx
s
and
mxa
you,
you
create
the
impression
that
this
has
been
a
fair
process.
If
people
disagree,
they
can
disagree,
but
in
general
map
conversion
takes
a
little
bit
of
judgment
as
long
as
it
appears
to
have
been
fair
and
not
influenced
by
favoritism.
E
A
That's
good
and
then
I'm
following
along
in
the
chat
and
kelly
tagg
has
noted
that
she
also
caught
on
to
the
c2
zone,
and
then
I
have
a
question
from
shellan
that
says
don
when
you
say
up
zone
or
down
zone
as
a
second
step.
Is
that
the
property
owners
or
does
the
city
do
that?
A
A
That
will
be
a
conversation
for
the
city's
leadership
team
to
determine
you
know:
do
we
have
the
resources
to
do
that?
Do
we
have
staffing
to
do
that,
and
so
that
will
continue
to
move
forward
once
the
process
is
over,
but
hopefully
that
answers
your
question
and
then
I
also
have
oh
go
ahead.
E
No,
I
was
just
gonna
say,
and
sometimes
it's
a
combination
of
the
two
I
think
andrea's
described
it
very
well.
I
think
what
we
would
recommend
if
the
city
has
the
resources
and
the
time
and
the
and
the
willingness
to
do
it
is
to
propose,
after
the
code
is
adopted
as
a
separate
step.
Often
it
happens
between
six
months
or
three
months
and
a
year
after
so
people
have
time
to
catch
their
breath
a
little
bit
and
realize
that
the
focus
is
shifting
and
to
propose
what
they
think
would
be.
E
A
zoning
map
that
involve
includes
the
changes
that
are
called
for
in
blueprint
boise
and
to
suggest
that
and
to
move
forward
with
that-
and
I
will
be
very
honest
with
you
often.
What
happens
in
that
process
is
that
the
vast
majority
of
those
things
are
accepted
as
fair.
That
is
the
fair
interpretation
of
what
our
plan
says.
E
There's
no
significant
opposition
to
doing
that,
and
then
there
are
some
that,
for
there
are
yes,
I
agree
that
blueprint
boise
says
that,
but
I
don't
want
it
to
happen
in
this
area
or
I
don't
agree
that
that
is
what
blueprint
boise
says.
How
to
happen
here,
and
sometimes
those
properties
are
taken
out
of
a
city,
run
up
zoning
process
or
rezoning
or
down
zoning
whatever
it
is.
But
the
city
map
amendment
process
so
that
you
get
most
of
them
done
through
a
thoughtful
process
that
ties
to
align
the
map.
E
With
your
plan
to
the
greatest
degree
possible,
and
it's
never
perfect.
There
are
always
things
that
are
going
to
really
gum
things
up
and
they're
people
who
are
willing
to
lie
down
in
front
of
the
bulldozers
to
prevent
that
particular
property
from
being
zoned
in
that
particular
way.
For
some
reason-
and
the
city
says:
okay,
we'll
take
it
out
of
the
process
and
learn
to
talk
about
that
one
another
day,
but
we're
not
going
to
hold
the
whole
thing
up.
Because
of
that.
M
Yeah
thanks
yeah,
my
internet's
been
a
bit
spotty.
I
didn't
hear
everything
that
marissa
keith
was
saying,
but
I
think
I
was
agreeing
with
her
and
also
I
was
just
briefly
kind
of
wondering
if
we
really
should
be
calling
those
good
ideas,
those
those
environmental
kinds
of
improvements
as
amenities,
I
think
that
might
be
a
problem
to
try
to
lump
those
in
and
discuss
and
suggest
that
there
are
amenities
because
they're
really
something
else
and
then,
as
I
was
talking
to
people
very
quickly,
people
start
talking
about
parking.
M
It's
something
that
I
personally,
you
know
have
kind
of,
depending
where,
where
where
we
are,
you
know,
I'm
I'm
often
a
fan
of
less
parking,
but
it
really
depends
so
much.
You
know
it's
very
site-specific
and
as
we're
as
I
was
talking
to
a
very
well-known
planner,
I
won't
mention
who
this
was,
but
in
some
other
neighborhood
leaders,
the
discussion
very
quickly
got
into
starting
talking
about
overlays
and
how
it
would
make
sense
to
add
this
slight
specific
information,
specifically
about
parking
onto
the
code
in
some
way
and
then
from
there.
M
M
Participatory
events
are
the
neighborhood
plans,
which
still
really
are
not
anywhere
to
be
seen
in
what
we're
doing,
and
then
somebody
just
came
up
with
this
idea
of
saying
you
know,
every
neighborhood
plan
should
create
an
overlay.
The
north
end
has
their
overlay,
with
with
the
historic
district
is,
which
is
very
close
to
a
neighborhood
plan
overlay
in
a
lot
of
ways.
M
You
know
we
have
sycamore
having
an
overlay
harris
ranch
and
all
they're,
essentially
outside
our
efforts,
because
they
essentially
have
their
own
they've
been
granted
some
power
to
have
these
site-specific
plans
essentially
for
them,
and
I
thought
you
know
that's
really
to
me.
That
would
that's
where
we
should
be
going
right
now.
I
know
that
there's
this
idea
that
you
know
having
everything
very
simple
is
good
in
some
way.
But
to
me
what
we're
doing
is
not
simple.
M
Actually,
because,
as
we
take
information
away
from
a
map
as
we
reduce
the
number
of
of
zones
that
actually
doesn't,
in
my
mind,
create
a
more
simple
process
down
the
road,
it
creates
a
more
complicated
process
because
we
no
longer
have
the
discerning
ability
to
make
decisions
based
on
actual
on
the
ground
fact
and
and
on
the
ground
just
specificities.
M
So
I
think
you
know
for
me
to
now
talk
about.
You
know
the
specifics
about
module
two
it.
It
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
where
we're
going.
I
think
I
think
that
we
need
to
step
back
and
see
how
we
can
really
incorporate
neighborhood
plans
and
really
site
specific
information,
and
rather
rather
than
getting
too
carried
away
with
creating
you
know
kind
of
a
zoning
template
that
you
could
apply
to
a
lot
of
cities,
but
doesn't
really
necessarily
say
much
about
boise.
So
that's
where
I
am
really
kind
of
stepping
back
thanks.
N
Yeah,
okay,
great
the
question
I
had
was
on
page
79
talking
about
sensitive
lands
and
the
in
particular
the
setbacks
that
are
stated
are
those
carried
over
from
the
original
zoning
plan.
And
so
that's
one
question.
The
second
question
is:
who
is
responsible
for
identifying
the
distance
of
those
setbacks
and
if.
N
If
people
want
to
see
that
changed
increased
is
attending
a
zoning,
you
know
public
engagement
session
the
place
to
bring
that
up,
or
is
there
a
different
avenue
that
they
should
be
looking
at.
A
A
E
A
Yeah
and
the
sensitive
lands
piece
has
been
a
relatively
successful
piece.
We
haven't
heard
a
lot
of
concerns
regarding
that
stating
that
we
need
to
reevaluate
those
standards
at
this
time.
So
unless
we
hear
something,
I
I'm
comfortable
saying
that
those
stayed
the
same.
N
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
if
people
would
like
to
see
some
changes,
is
it
planning
and
zoning
that
would
make
those
changes
or
is
the
department
of
fish
and
wildlife?
I
mean?
Who
is
it
that
individuals
would
want
to
speak
directly
to.
A
A
A
O
Hello,
so
this
my
question:
it
really
piggies
back
on
the
conversation
of
the
c2
zoning
and
then
I'm
also
looking
at
the
pc
zoning,
particularly
in
my
neighborhood,
along
the
state
street
corridor
and
main
street.
So
all
of
the
areas
that
were
zoned
pc
are
now
listed
as
mxa.
O
So
I'm
curious
as
to
what
why
the
pc
zoning,
at
least
in
the
area
around
our
neighborhood
in
the
west
downtown
area,
it's
all
mxa,
and
I
mean
it.
You
know
I
I
to
me
it
seems
like
you
know,
we
worked
really
hard
to
get
the
pc
zone.
We
just
put
it
in
and
now
the
first
thing
that
it
does
is
go
back
to
pretty
much
allowing
the
things
that
we
worked
really
hard
to
not
have
allowed
in
the
pc
zone.
E
I
would
I
could
try
to
crack
it.
It's.
J
I
think
I
can
do
it.
I
think
kelly
that
one
I
know
specifically,
there
was
a
weird
glitch
in
the
map,
so
I'm
going
to
double
check
that
that
actually
got
activated
because
your
right
is
to
put
if
it's
currently
pc.
It
goes
to
mxn
and
that's
the
rule.
So
I
want
to
double
check
that
map
issue,
but
if
that
is
showing
up
as
pc
to
mxa,
that
was
a
map,
a
map
issue.
Oh.
O
J
Yeah,
so
the
c2
right
now,
as
it's
mapped
near
less
downtown,
is
mostly
mxa,
because
there
is
a
activity
center
there,
and
this
is
where
I
think
with
ben.
He
brought
up
a
great
point.
We
still
need
to
refine
this
map.
There
is
and
that's
why
it's
a
draft.
So
that's
a
great
point
and
we're
glad
we're
getting
this.
O
And
so
I
think
a
portion
of
it
makes
sense
because
it's
close
to
the
activity
center
for
it
to
be
mxa.
But
there's
there's
like
this
little
pocket
of
c2
zoning.
That
was
in
our
neighborhood
that
we're
actually
hoping
to
get
more
like
to
be
like
an
ro
or
something
like
that,
and
so
maybe
mxn
would
make
more
sense.
J
And
yeah,
and
that's
where
those
I
think
to
dawn's
point
we're
trying
to
get
away
from
the
like.
J
Well
it
like
this
rule
in
this
world,
and
we
want
to
have
like
a
clear
transition
like
conversion
that
we
could
speak
to
and
then
later
on,
when
we
want
to
have
a
more
of
a
rezone
process,
we
could
go
through
those
like
uniquely
refining,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
a
clearer
rule
about
when
it
becomes
when
it
goes
from
c2
to
mxa
or
when
it
goes
from
c2
to
mx
street
and
so
we're
working.
I
think
this
is
all
good
feedback,
but
I
know
your
specific
one
about
pc.
J
When
you
click
on
the
parcel
it
will
show,
it
will
say
pc
to
mxn.
It's
just,
I
think
the
color
the
label
shows
us
as
a
so
that
one
I've
been
working
on
that.
We
could
talk
about
this
and
I'll.
Show
you,
okay,.
E
Andrea,
this
is
done.
I
just
knowing
the
time
we
I
I
see.
We
probably
have
some
more
hands
up
here.
We
may
want
to
call
on,
but
we
at
some
point
pretty
soon.
We
need
to
kind
of
move
on
to
the
to
the
moment.
A
Yes,
so
we
haven't
heard
from
sheldon
quite
yet
and
she's
got
her
hand
raised.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
from
shellin
and
then,
if
we
have
time
afterwards,
we
can
always
come
back
and
revisit
this,
but
we
do
have
some
other
important
information
we'd
like
to
provide
to
you
too
so
sheldon
go
ahead
and
take
the
floor.
P
Oh
thanks
and
we
could
you
can
just
punt
this
if
you
want,
but
before
I
spend
time
going
through,
I
mean
I
have
spent
time
going
through
and
making
some
written
comments
and
I'm
happy
to
submit
those.
But
I
wanted
to
understand-
and
I
think
I
think
I
understand
where
you
guys
are
going.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it
seems
it
seems
like
in
a
lot
of
places
in
boise
currently
and
in
based
on
the
conversion
map.
P
And
I
realize
there's
neighborhood
protections
in
the
code
that
sort
of
are
intended
to
address
that.
But
it
also
seems
like
we're,
really
missing
the
opportunity
to
create
transition
areas
along
some
of
those
more
commercial
or
mixed
use,
oriented
zones
that
would
create
sort
of
a
natural
buffer
when
or
if
they're
ever
developed.
And
I
I
guess
I
just
wonder
at
a
high
level
if
I
should,
even
if
that's
just
for
the
next
step,
that
don
mentioned
earlier
or
if
that's
something
that
you
know
we.
P
E
My
my
thoughts
sean
would
be
put
it
in
writing.
It's
because
you're,
it's
it's!
You
kind
of
like
some
of
these
other
questions.
We
could
view
it
as
a
mapping
conversion
question
in
the
future,
or
we
could
also.
I
think
what
you're
really
saying
is.
Are
we
missing
a
zone
district?
Are
we
missing
something
in
that
deserves
to
be
on
those
boundaries,
and
that
would
be
a
question.
It's
really
related
to
module
one
did
we
get
the
menu
right,
and
so
I
would
go
ahead
and
put
it
in
writing
now.
This
short
answer.
A
Okay,
it
looks
like
everybody
has
had
an
opportunity
that
had
their
hand
up.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
move
on.
I
think
actually
we
have
scheduled
our
break.
So
if
anybody
needs
to
get
up
and
wiggle
around
they're
welcome
to
do
that.
We
just
have
a
very
short
five
minute
break.
So
if
everybody
could
come
back
about
3
47
and
then
we'll
pick
up
and
really
start
into
that
timeline
for
module
3
and
some
of
those
administrative
documents.
A
F
G
F
To
go
through
some
of
the
more
specific
topics
and
details
of
module,
three,
which
is
administration
and
procedures,
and
that
will
be
going
on
while
the
module
two
outreach
events
are
happening
and
so
we'll
kind
of
be
doing
both
for
the
next
few
months
and
we
plan
to
have
module
three
released
in
may
and
then
we'll
start
the
outreach
for
that
next
slide.
Please.
F
All
right
so
kind
of
zooming
back
out
to
the
full
overall
structure
of
the
code,
so
module
two
was
those
development
and
design
standards
module
one
with
zoning
districts
and
use
regulations,
and
so
now
we
are
in
module
three,
which
covers
the
general
provisions
of
the
code
and
then
the
administration
and
procedures
next
slide.
Please.
F
All
right
so,
specifically
the
table
of
contents
for
module
three.
Just
so
you
guys
can
get
an
idea
of
the
topics
that
are
covered
in
these
first
is
general
provisions,
and
this
sets
up
the
code
for
the
authority,
the
purpose
of
the
code,
the
effective
date
of
the
code,
its
relationship
to
other
laws,
its
relationship
to
the
comprehensive
plan
to
covenants
how
legally
it
transitions
from
prior
versions
of
the
code.
F
And
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
and
then
in
administration
and
procedures,
we
start
with
the
general
purpose.
Then
there
is
another
large
summary
table
that
shows
you,
which
development
review
processes
require.
Public
notice
require
neighborhood
meetings
and
who
makes
the
decision
if
it's
staff,
if
it's
a
recommendation
and
also
which
decision-making
body
can
appeal
things
and
then
the
specifics
of
the
responsibilities
of
each
of
the
review
and
decision-making
bodies.
F
So
that's
things
like
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
city
council,
and
then
we
have
general
procedures
and
don's
going
to
get
into
more
detail
about
sort
of
the
basics
of
each
of
these
things.
But
general
procedures
apply
to
any
procedure
and
then
the
specific
procedures
are
this
sort
of
what
you
would
apply
for.
So
the
conditional
use
permits
the
subdivisions
that
sort
of
thing,
and
then
it
ends
with
non-conformities
and
violations
enforcement
and
penalties
next
slide.
Please.
F
So
if
you
all
remember
way
back
when
feels
we
have
our
diagnostic
report,
which
has
really
informed
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
we've
been
making
throughout
the
modules,
so
just
a
reminder
of
what
we
heard
when
we
did
the
initial
outreach
for
the
diagnostic
report,
there
was
a
perceived
lack
of
predictability
and
consistency
throughout
the
processes
in
general,
especially
ones
that
overlapped.
F
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
and
misinformation
about
neighborhood
meeting
requirements,
along
with
that,
the
general
need
for
overall,
more
transparent,
efficient
and
objective
review
processes
and
then
specifically,
a
lot
of
comments
about
refining
the
design
review
process,
as
well
as
clarifying
the
responsibilities
of
the
design
review
committee
next
slide.
Please.
F
Recommendations
from
the
diagnostic
report
include
reorganizing
and
relocating
procedural
standards
into
one
chapter,
simplifying
some
of
the
waiver
and
adjustment
provisions,
so
that
there
are
less
variance
requests
so
that
it
can
increase
predictability
among
developments
and
among
the
same
type
of
applications
to
strengthen
the
general
decision-making
criteria,
also
to
increase
predictability
as
well
as
clarity
and
transparency,
and
then
also
to
use
more
graphics
and
flowcharts
to
make
the
information
more
digestible
for
code
users.
F
E
All
right-
and
I
will
we'll
just
go
through
kind
of
where,
once
again
I'll
say
it
many
times.
First
of
all,
we're
moving
on
to
module
three.
That
does
not
mean
any
doors
are
closed.
With
comments
on
module
two,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
hope
and
expect
to
get
many
more
comments
from
many
of
you
regarding
that,
and
I
want
everybody
to
understand.
They
are
always
welcome.
E
We
need
to
move
our
focus
on
and
then
collect
those
and
then
digest
the
module
two
comments,
but
we
have
to
move
the
thought
process
on
into
how
this
fits
with,
how
the
city
does
business
so,
and
I
would
say
one
thing
in
the
diagnostic
report
that
gabby
just
reviewed
we've
heard
two
things
at
the
time
of
the
diagnostic
report.
We
did
hear
a
number
of
comments
that
people
were
frustrated
with
the
design
review
process
along
the
way
in
the
last
two
years.
E
As
that's
come
up,
it
is
occurs
to
me
that
we're
hearing
less
of
that
and
we're
hearing
more
people
say
well.
Actually,
I
don't
have
a
problem
if
you
can
clarify
things.
That
would
be
good,
but
I
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
in
at
least
that
one
area,
what
we
heard
two
years
ago
or
more
appears
based
on
conversations
of
this
group
and
things
we've
heard
since
then,
to
perhaps
not
be
as
true
as
we
thought
it
was
a
while
ago.
So
I
want
to
acknowledge
things
change.
E
E
Gabby
mentioned
it's
basic,
the
legal
authority
citing
the
authority
in
boise
law
or
other
provisions
that
gives
the
city
the
authority
to
regulate
in
these
areas
and
any
limits
on
those
powers
to
regulate
the
other
thing
that
is
very
key
to
clarify,
which
many
codes
do
not
do.
A
good
job
of
clarifying
is
what
happens
when
this
well,
what
happens
when
you've
got
regulations
of
the
city
of
boise?
E
In
your
left
hand-
and
you
got
federal
law
in
your
right
hand,
or
you
have
state
law
in
your
right
hand,
and
and
how
do
you
relate
which
one
prevails?
That
is
usually
not
a
one-word
answer.
I
will
say
this
often,
when
you
run
up
against
the
federal
government
you
lose,
there
is
usually
a
source
of
power
that
has
been
given
in
one
way
or
another
through
some
poor
aspect
of
law
to
the
federal
government.
E
It
is
rare
to
find
cases
where
the
federal
government
asserts
authority
that
it
in
fact
does
not
have,
but
in
cases
of
state
law
there
are
often
it's
harder
to
parse.
There
are
areas
where
the
state
law
has
said:
hey
we
supersede
what
the
cities
in
our
state
might
want
to
do,
and
there
are
areas
where
they
say
we
hereby
defer
to
the
cities
and
the
counties
in
our
states
for
what
they
want
to
do
so
that
needs
to
be
clarified.
It's
very
helpful
to
the
public.
E
Private
covenants
is
an
area
where
there
is
often
a
lot
of
confusion
and
the
basic
rule
in
most
communities
is.
The
city
is
not
obligated
to
enforce
any
private
covenants
unless
it's
a
party
to
that
covenant,
which
is
very
rare.
Sometimes
if
there's
a
historic
preservation
provision
or
something
the
city
wants
to
be
a
party,
so
it
can
enforce
the
covenant,
but
in
terms
of
private
hoas
and
residential
covenants.
E
Usually
the
cities
are
not
a
party,
they
are
between
the
people,
who
bought
the
lots
and
the
developer,
who
wrote
the
covenants
and
the
hoa
and
the
city
is
not
a
party
to
it,
and
usually
this
chapter
clarifies
that
the
city
is
not
going
to
be
enforcing
those
covenants.
They
are
private
contracts
that
the
city
is
not
enforcing.
E
The
city
is
not
obligated
to
zone
consistently
with
covenants
and
the
reason
that
is
kind
of
high
level
covenants
are
a
private
contract
between
a
developer
and
hoa
and
the
residents
of
a
community,
and
that
can't
bind
the
elected
officials
of
the
community
to
not
make
laws
in
the
public
interest
that
they
think
they
need
to
make,
and
so
in
most
communities.
Covenants
are,
in
your
left
hand
and
the
enforcement
of
that
the
content
of
them
was
not
drafted
by
the
city.
E
E
The
state
government
does
not
say
they
have
to
be
consistent
with
covenants
because
that's
private
law
making,
and
so
basically
it
clarifies
that
for
people
who
are
not
clear
and
many
in
my
experience,
many
people
are
very
unclear
about
that.
So
and
then
this
transition,
the
short
answer-
and
I
saw
some
chat
about
this-
the
normal
transition
is
that
anybody
who
has
a
permit
or
approval
under
the
prior
ordinances
and
regulations
gets
to
keep
it
anybody.
E
Now
we
often
get
questions
early
in
the
process
that
say
wow
won't
everybody
want
to
be
rushing
in
to
get
their
applications
in
the
old
law.
You
have
a
problem
and
the
answer
is
usually
no.
Actually,
if
we
do
our
job
well,
people
will
be
saying
I'm
holding
off
filing
my
application
until
the
new
goal
comes
into
effect.
It's
actually
better.
I
don't
want
to
rush.
Please
can
you
get
the
new
one
into
effect?
I'm
not
just
saying
that,
because
I
think
we
do
a
good
job
or
you
do
a
good
job.
E
It's
usually
the
truth,
people
we
don't
have
people
trying
to
throw
applications
in
at
the
last
minute
because
they
actually
prefer
the
law
that
is
in
effect
prior
to
their
application.
So
that's
basically
the
that
that
is
what
this
chapter
does.
I
do
want
to
go
into
show
you
I'm
sorry
now
I'm
moving
on
to,
and
there
are
really
no
trends
in
that
area.
In
many
of
these
areas,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
slide
on
basics
and
then,
where
it's
headed,
that's
kind
of
the
introduction
to
the
whole
code.
E
There
are
not
a
lot
of
trends
in
that
except
clarity
trying
to
answer
as
many
questions
upfront
that
you're
going
to
get
over
and
over
again
about
how
this
was
done,
why
it
was
done,
what's
the
authority
to
do
it,
how
are
we
going
to
operate
it
fairly?
Now
common
procedures
gaby
mentioned
this.
We
generally
organize
the
procedural
parts
of
how
the
city
does
business
into
two
parts.
E
Two
substantive
parts
we're
skipping
over
some
of
the
the
the
descriptions
of
who
is
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
who
is
city
council
who's,
the
design
review
committee.
That's
written
down,
those
are
pretty
straightforward
in
common
procedures.
It's
things
you
don't
want
to
have
to
repeat
over
and
over
again
like
how
do
we
give
notice?
How
do
we
hold
public
hearings?
What
do
you
have
to
file
for
a
complete
application?
E
You
don't
want
to
have
to
repeat
that
over
and
over
again
because
it
makes
the
code
very
long,
and
so
the
common
procedures
is
an
area
where,
basically,
if
you
say
you
know,
if
we're
going
to,
everybody
has
to
pay
the
application
fee
say
it
once
and
it
applies
throughout
the
code
every
when
we
do
a
hearing.
We
do
public
notice
like
this
and
if
that
varies,
for
a
particular
type
of
approval,
for
example,
example,
sometimes
there's
a
different
notice
procedure
for
a
variance
or
for
a
historic
preservation.
Designation.
E
Well,
we'll
say
that
later
on
and
we'll
clarify
it
here,
but
it's
in
one
place
so
in
the
table
of
contents,
you
see
public
notice.
The
answer
is
okay.
That's
where
I
learn
how
they
do
public
notice.
You
just
don't
want
to
repeat
this
stuff,
the
more
you
repeat
things
the
more
in
the
future.
Someone
will
amend,
chapter
7
and
forget
to
amend
chapter
6
and
or
subsection
6,
which
actually
says
the
same
thing
and
it's
supposed
to
operate
the
same
way,
but
it
some
we
just
forgot.
E
We
were
focused
on
subsection
7
and
we
forgot
to
to
fix
section
6..
So
don't
repeat
it
if
you
don't
need
to
and
finally
again
the
same
thing
at
the
bottom
bullet
there,
so
I
won't
gonna
go
to
the
next
thing
here.
Often
right
at
the
beginning
of
this
is
a
summary
table,
and
this
is
just
the
top
line
of
it.
But
this
is
what
you
can
expect
to
see
when
module
3
is,
is
released
in
may
down
the
left-hand
side.
E
This
is
the
first
rows
of
a
table
down
the
left-hand
side
are
all
of
the
different
application
types
that
you
could
make
to
city
of
boise.
The
next
column
over
is
a
cross-referenced
hyperlink,
so
if
it
says
annexation
and
you're
thinking
about
an
annexation,
you
click
on
that,
and
it
takes
you
straight
to
the
section
that
tells
you
how
annexations
work
or
conditional
use
permit,
or
variance
three
columns
to
talk
about
different
types
of
public
notice.
We
have
actually
carved
this
out
of
a
code,
but
sometimes
there's
a
fourth
column
called
web
notice.
E
Just
if
cities
want
to
write
down,
we
will
give
web
notice,
even
when
we're
not
required
to
give
other
kinds
of
notice,
or
we
don't
want
to
do
mail
notice.
It's
too
expensive.
We
can't
do
it
for
minor
things,
but
we
will
do
web
notice
so
that
public
notice,
section
of
the
table
often
has
a
fourth
column.
Pre-Submittal
activities.
Do
you
need
to
go
talk
to
to
the
staff
about
this
before
you
file
an
application
increasingly
for
major
applications
or
complex
ones?
E
Cities
do
require
this
because
they
don't
want
people
spending
a
lot
of
time
and
money
when
the
idea
they're
trying
to
write
up
and
submit
has
no
chance
of
complying
with
the
law
and
they
don't
even
know
that
they
and
there's
no
real
way
to
get
that
approved,
except
in
a
very
complicated
rezoning.
The
point
is:
if
that's
true,
you
need
to
find
it
before.
You
spend
a
lot
of
money.
So
is
there
a
pre-submittal
meeting?
Do
you
need
to
have
a
design
review
committee
meeting?
Do
you
have
to
have
a
neighborhood
meeting?
E
These
are
and
again
these
are
tailored
for
each
community.
So
there
are
we've
written
codes
where
there
are
more
types
of
meetings,
but
on
the
columns
on
the
rows
of
this
table
below
these
columns,
you
check
mark
yes,
you
need
published
mailed
and
posted
notice
or
you
need
published
and
posted.
But
in
this
case
you
don't
need
mailed
notice.
E
Do
you?
Yes,
you
need
a
pre-submittal
meeting,
but
you
don't
need
a
neighborhood
meeting.
Yes,
you
do
need
a
neighborhood
meeting,
but
you
don't
need
the
other
types
of
meetings
you
check
box
so
that
everybody
understands
what
they.
What
the
things
leading
up
to
this
action
are
going
to
be
and
then
the
right
hand
columns
are
usually
filled
in
with,
as
you
can
see,
an
r
if
that
group
reviews
a
d
if
they
make
the
decision
an
a
if
they
hear
the
appeal
and
then
there's
some
sort
of
a
symbol
of
bracket
or
an
asterisk.
E
That
says
in
this
case
they're
going
to
hold
a
public
hearing.
We
have
some
increasingly
in
recent
years
added
another
legend
that
says:
there's
a
there's,
a
a
public
meeting
on
this
after
the
applicant.
It's
not
a
pre-meeting
with
the
neighborhood,
but
there's
a
meeting.
We
want
to
make
this
available
to
the
public
so
that
we
can
educate
and
know
what
they
want
to
hear.
But
it's
not
a
public
hearing
and
some
city
attorneys
want
to
be
very
clear.
Public
hearings
have
to
be
conducted
in
accordance
with
quasi-judicial
law.
You
have
to
make
a
record.
E
You
sometimes
have
to
allow
cross-examination
you
have
to
allow
you
have
to
allow
testimony
on
the
record.
You
have
to
verify
that
the
person
who's
speaking
has
standing
to
speak
and
there
are
increasingly
cases
where
cities
want
to
allow
a
public
meeting.
They
want
to
hear
from
the
public,
but
they
do
not
want
to
have
people
challenging
them
later,
because
it
wasn't
a
formal
public
hearing
and
the
answer
was
well.
It
was
never
intended
to
be
a
decision
on
the
record
or
creation
of
a
record.
This
was
an
informal,
smaller
decision.
E
We
wanted
to
hear
from
people.
We
did
not
want
to
hold
a
hearing,
so
that
may
be.
In
addition,
we
do,
but
anyway,
moving
down
below
this
table,
you
will
see
this
table
in
the
draft
moving
down
below
the
table
very
commonly
these
days.
You
don't
put
the
details
of
every
type
of
study
or
document
you
have
to
file
for
an
application
in
the
ordinance.
They
are
moved
to
an
administrative
document
maintained
on
the
city's
website.
E
Some
cities
say
the
city
council
has
to
approve
that
some
say
they
don't
have
to
some
say.
No
that's
up
to
the
planning
director
and
the
public
works
in
the
engineering.
We
hire
professionals,
they
know
what
they
need
for
these
types
of
applications.
We
do
not
need
to
be
approving
every
change
that
that's
that's
a
local
choice,
but
the
point
is
of
the
people
who
read
this
ordinance.
E
So
we
generally
recommend
strongly
that
that
be
moved
out
to
a
website
act,
a
website
where
it
can
be
uploaded
and
engineers
know
where
to
find
it
and
the
floodplain
guys
know
where
to
find
it.
The
stormwater
guys
know
where
to
find
it.
The
road
guys
know
where
to
find
it.
E
The
people
who
are
applying
for
conditional
use
permit
can
easily
find
it
just
as
easily
as
they
can
find
it
in
the
code,
but
those
who
are
not
going
to
file
an
application
don't
have
to
read
through
those
long
lists
of
things
that
they
have
to
be
submitted.
So
and
again
often
one
of
the
things
that
you
talk
about
a
lot
in
this
module
is
public
notice
requirements,
and
I
think
I
have
mentioned
earlier
in
these
meetings.
E
There
is
a
trend
around
the
country
to
say,
and
we
may
want
to
move
to
giving
public
notice
to
folks.
Even
if
a
public
hearing
is
not
required.
Well,
won't
they
get
angry,
they
got
notice,
but
it
turns
out.
The
guy
has
a
right
to
do
this
and
they
can't
stop
it.
That's
just
in
most
communities
decide
that's
just
a
bridge.
You
have
to
cross
the
concept
that
we
only
notify
you
when
there's
a
hearing
and
you
can
express
your
ability
and
some
decision
maker
can
say.
E
Well,
I
don't
want
to
prove
this
is
a
convention,
it's
a
convention
that
we've
inherited
over
50
years,
but
it's
not
a
logical
connection
and
more
and
more
cities
are
saying
with
electronic
notice.
We
can
tell
the
public
every
time
an
application's
filed.
We
can
tell
them
all
kinds
of
things
that
they
would
like
to
know.
Even
if
that
sign
that
the
guy's
going
to
put
on
the
corner
is
legal
and
there's
no
way
to
stop
it,
because
it's
a
legal
sign,
knowing
it's
gonna
happen
before
it
happens,
is
not
a
bad
thing.
E
People
get
surprised,
less
often
they're
upset
less
often
they
can
follow
it
up.
Does
he
really
have
the
right
to
do
this?
Well,
yes,
he
does
if
it's
only
eight
feet
tall,
but
if
he
wanted
to
make
it
taller
than
eight
feet,
he'd
have
to
get
some
sort
of
a
hearing,
just
knowing
that
so
people
can
follow
on
and
say.
Let
me
ask
some
questions
about
this.
E
In
addition,
often
we
try
to
consolidate
the
different
paths
towards
approval
into
fewer
categories.
I
will
stand
by
my
comments
earlier
that
micro
managed
categories
and
micromanaged
uses
and
micro
divided
zone
districts
are
in
general,
not
a
favor
to
the
public.
It
makes
things
harder
to
understand
and
govern.
E
We
do
often
include
administrative
adjustments,
which
are
small
amounts
of
deviation
from
setbacks
or
lot
coverage
or
parking
that
can
be
approved
by
administration
through
the
process
of
reviewing
an
application
without
a
public
hearing
without
a
public
showing
of
hardship.
Boise
may
not
want
to
do
that.
E
I've
worked
with
communities
like
indianapolis
to
talk
about
it
for
a
long
time
and
then
in
the
end,
said
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
but
the
majority,
the
vast
majority
of
communities
do
this
these
days
to
say
and-
and
the
reason
is,
if
the
site
is
trapezoidal,
the
tri
sign,
it
is
a
weird
site
and
I
can
meet
all
the
setbacks,
but
one,
and
that
is
because
there's
an
easement
running
through
the
property.
The
property
falls
off
into
a
ditch
and
I
can't
do
anything
about
it.
Whatever
it
is.
E
There
are
in
many
newer
codes,
a
common
procedure
that
says
the
staff.
The
planning
director
in
the
course
of
reviewing
a
site
plan
can
say
if
you
show
them
a
reason
that
you
did
not
create
for
one
lot
or
two
lots,
or
maybe
three
lots,
but
not
more
than
that.
There's
a
unique
situation
on
the
face
of
the
earth
here
and
the
best
you
can
do
is
this
and
it's
a
10
reduction
in
the
setback
for
the
following
reasons.
Staff
is
allowed
to
approve
that
to
allow
the
project
to
move
forward.
E
E
Often
trend
includes
doing
having
to
submit
a
concept
plan
a
general
layout
showing
how
the
roads
are
going
to
connect,
how
the
how
the
utilities
are
going
to
connect
the
open
spaces,
the
habitat,
how
the
sensitive
land
protections
are
going
to
align
with
your
neighbors,
so
that
you
don't
wind
up
with
just
commercial
sites
that
are
padded
out
to
individual
sites
that
have
no
connection
to
each
other
or
open
space.
That
has
no
connection
to
the
open
space
on
your
neighbor's
property.
So
that
is
a
trend
to
say.
E
Look
if
you're
doing
a
fairly
large
thing
that
is
going
to
be
probably
parceled
out
to
multiple
developers,
multiple
landowners.
We
need
a
plan
up
front
to
see
how
it's
going
to
fit
together
before
we
get
into
individual
types
of
site
approvals.
One
of
the
big
things
we
spend
time
on
is
more
objective
decision
making
criteria.
E
I've
said
it
before
I
may.
I
kind
of
feel
this
might
be
an
uphill
struggle.
More
words,
do
not
make
better
decisions.
More
criteria
do
not
make
better
decisions.
Clearer
criteria,
make
better
decisions,
decisions
that
a
planning
commissioner
or
a
design
review
committee
member
and
the
public
and
the
staff
can
all
understand
what
it
means
and
they
come
to
the
same
understanding
of
what
it
means.
That's
what
makes
better
decisions
and
so
listing
21
boxes
that
need
to
be
checked
in
our
experience
does
not
make
a
better
decision.
E
E
One
appeal
on
a
particular
development
approval:
not
multiple
appeals,
which
increases
the
chances
that,
regardless
of
which
side
of
the
of
the
decision
you're
on
increases,
the
chances
that
this
is
being
used
to
delay
or
hope
that
the
other
party
runs
out
of
patience
or
money
in
the
process,
specific
procedures,
I'm
moving
on
to
basic
procedures.
Here
these
are
the
basics.
E
When
you
lay
out
how
do
you
get
a
variance?
How
do
you
get
a
rezoning?
How
do
you
get
a
conditional
use
permit?
How
do
you
get
design
review
approval,
there's
a
flow
chart
they
and
they
cross
reference?
We
we
don't
repeat
everything
we
go
back.
If
we
talked
about
notice
earlier,
then
you
just
cross
reference.
How
notice
is
given?
E
You
can
see
two
examples
of
flow
charts
here
they
do
not
get
into
the
detail
of
handing
the
application
around
inside
the
city
they're
aimed
at
the
public
where
who
files
this?
Who
reviews
it?
What
are
the
steps
who
makes
the
decision?
I'm
unhappy?
Who
do
I
appeal
to
and
in
some
of
these
examples,
if
I
need
to
modify
it
afterwards?
How
do
I
modify
it
and
again,
these
specific
procedures
are
where
we
try
to
be
very.
We
try
to
be
clear
on
the
objective
standards.
E
Usually
these
are
organized
by
decisions
made
by
council
decisions
made
by
design
review
decisions
made
by
planning
and
zoning
decisions
made
by
board
of
appeals
decisions
made
by
staff,
because
the
public
can
understand
it
easier.
If
you
organize
these
things
kind
of
by
how
long
the
process
is
and
how
many
opportunities
for
public
engagement
there
are,
rather
than
alphabetically
or
in
some
other
way,
so
the
trends
is
to
try
to
integrate
better
the
zoning
and
subdivision
things.
E
Often
they
were
adopted
originally
in
two
different
ordinances,
even
when
they're
unified,
they
often
don't
speak
to
each
other
very
well.
Many
types
of
development
require
both
the
zoning
approval
and
a
subdivision
approval.
Well,
how
does
that
work?
How
complicated
is
it?
How
simple
can
we
make
it?
How
can
we
align
them
so
that
as
planning
and
zoning
or
others
are
reviewing
them
they're,
not
getting
whipsawed
by
the
criteria
for
a
subdivision?
E
And
this
and
the
criteria
for
a
zoning
approval
they
are
consistent
or
can
be
made
consistent
and
understandable
when
both
of
those
things
are
happening
either
at
the
same
time
or
in
close
proximity
to
each
other?
We
do
the
simpler
flower.
We
try
to
simplify,
flowcharts
and
be
very
clear.
This
is
not
the
step
by
step
inside
the
city.
It's
it's
the
view
from
outside.
E
In
the
example
on
this
slide,
you'll
see
their
gavels
over
at
the
right
side.
That
often
is
an
indication.
It's
an
indication
that
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
this,
so
the
public
and
citizens
can
look
at
this
and
say
I
get
it.
I
don't
get
to
talk
to
the
director
about
this
I
mean
I
can,
but,
but
the
director
is
not
going
to
make
the
decision
planning
and
zone
is
going
to
review
it
and
does
public
hearing
then
city
council.
E
Does
it
and
there's
a
public
hearing
aligned
with
what
I
said
earlier,
often
in
well
increasingly
in
newer
codes?
There's
another
symbol
that
says:
there'll
be
a
public
meeting
on
this,
but
there's
not
going
to
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
again.
This
is
something
that
often
it
requires
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
and
comes
out
differently
in
every
community,
but
in
general
there
is
a
trend
around
the
country.
E
We
can
staff
can
make
this
decision
and
it
can
be
appealed
if
it's
not
if
it
is,
if
someone's
dissatisfied
or
they
think
that
the
you
specific
standards
or
the
criteria
have
not
been
met.
Yes,
you
can
appeal
it,
and
I
have
heard
more
than
once
in
the
last
10
years,
oh
don
thanks
for
writing
it,
but
they'll
appeal.
I
will
appeal
everyone:
they
don't
appeal
every
one
of
them
if
it
can
be
made
by
staff.
E
Often
that
is
what
is
done
in
newer
in
newark
codes.
I
have
had
very
few
examples
around
the
country
of
people
saying
you
know:
staff
has
been
making
these
decisions,
but
we
don't
like
that.
We're
going
to
send
it
up
to
a
public
hearing
that
is
very
rare
to
see
anybody
say
that
increasingly
they're
saying
we
have
some
things
where
we
go
to
a
public
hearing,
but
it's
very
clear
that
they
meet
the
criteria
in
this
ordinance.
So
the
city
attorney
is
nervous.
E
So
that's
kind
of
trying
to
straighten
things
out
finally
trying
to
acknowledge
when
you
can
you
get
a
variance
and
a
conditional
use
at
the
same
time,
if
you
need
more
than
one
type
of
approval
from
the
city,
how
can
those
be
coordinated
or
do
they
have
to
be
done
separately
in
separate,
sequential
steps?
E
Once
again,
some
places
like
that
most
places
say
no,
the
variance
and
the
conditional
use
permit,
or
the
variance
and
I'm
making
this
up
or-
and
you
know,
the
the
conditional
use
permit
in
the
design
review
really
are
very
connected
to
it.
The
acceptability
of
this
is
tied
to
both
of
those
approvals
and
we
would
like
to
not
have
them
be
bifurcated
in
unless
we
have
to
have
them
be
bifurcated
so
and
then
appeals
provisions
are
clarified.
E
I'm
going
to
wind
up
pretty
quickly
here.
Non-Conformities
gabby
mentioned
this,
so
I've
had
one
two
slides
on
common
procedures:
two
slides
on
specific
procedures,
happy
to
take
questions
non-conformities
for
those
who
aren't
zoning
geeks
and
most
people
aren't
is
things
that
were
legal
when
they
were
created
and
the
business
was
legal.
When
it
was
created,
the
building
was
legal.
When
it
was
created,
the
landscaping
met
the
code
when
it
was
created.
E
The
sign
was
fine
when
it
was
created,
but
the
city
changed
its
rules
or
the
state
came
along
and
condemned
the
front
of
the
property
for
a
turn
lane,
and
now
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria.
Front
setback
is
too
short
now,
and
so
the
point
is
this:
property
owner
was
legal
and
has
operated
legally
and
is
now
in
not
in
conformance
with
the
rules
because
of
something
the
government
did
or
was
out
of
their
control.
E
How
do
we
handle
them
and
the
short
answer
is
trying
to
con-
can
clearly
convey
in
most
communities.
You
may
continue
to
operate
that
business
and
you
may
continue
to
use
that
building
and
to
say
the
three
basic
questions
are
and
by
the
way
you
may
sell
it
to
a
new
owner
who
will
have
the
same
rights
you
do
and
you
can
lease
it
to
a
new
owner.
Who
will
have
the
same
right
to
do
your
rights
do
not
expire.
E
E
If
I,
if
I
shut
it
down
and
it
goes
vacant
for
a
period
of
time,
can
I
restart
it
and
if
it
gets
damaged
by
fire
or
flood,
can
I
rebuild
it?
Those
are
the
three
things:
basic
expansion
and
restarting
and
rebuilding
after
damage.
The
question
is
at
what
point
should
we
say
an
event
has
happened
and
you
didn't
apply
for
redevelopment,
but
you've
kind
of
lapsed.
E
More
and
more
cities
are
saying:
look
the
building
was
built
if
we
make
the
guy
modify
it,
we're
just
it's
less
sustainable
you're
using
energy
you're
using
materials
and
those
are
jobs
so
in
general,
but
technically
the
code
has
to
address
how
you
treat
people
who
unintentionally
do
not
comply
with
your
code
and
the
trend
is
to
say:
let
them
be.
Let
them
be,
do
not
make
life
hard
on
them.
Let
them
continue
unless
this
situation
is
really
going
to
hurt
public
health
or
safety,
and
that
means
not
welfare.
I
didn't
say
the
third
word.
E
That
means
this
is
a
dangerous
condition.
The
reason
they're
out
of
compliance
is
through
a
process
that
somebody
is
going
to
get
hurt
or
worse.
If
something
goes
wrong
here,
we
change
the
law
for
a
reason
that
is
really
unsafe
and
to
narrow
down
the
situations
in
which
people
are
saying.
Yes,
you
can
continue
it,
but
if
you
do,
if
you
abandon
it
and
it's
going
to
create
public
health
and
safety,
you
may
not
restart
it.
E
So
that's
the
line,
not
technical
non-conformance,
but
is
this
going
to
harm
somebody
that
is
the
that
is
the
line
that
increasingly
codes
are
drawing
and
then
final
chapter
violations,
enforcement
and
penalties?
How
will
the
city
enforce
this,
and
so
it
the
codes
usually
are
much
clearer
about
what
is
a
violation
of
the
code.
Clearly,
if
you
build
a
building,
you
didn't
have
a
right
to
build.
That's
violation
of
the
code.
You
start
a
use
that
is
illegal
in
that
neighborhood.
That's
a
violation
of
the
code.
E
If
your
approval
had
conditions
on
it
and
you
don't
obey
those
conditions
on
your
approval,
that's
a
violation
of
the
code,
but
they're
usually
clearer.
They
go
further
than
that.
They
say
things
like
filing
misleading
information
or
fraudulent
information
on
your
application,
or
failing
to
disclose
things
that
had
to
be
disclosed
on
your
application
and
that
you
knew
about
are
violations
of
the
code.
E
So
you
try
to
be
very
clear
to
help
staff
and
help
everybody
understand
the
variety
of
things
that
could
be
considered,
violations,
failure
to
maintain
the
landscaping
that
you
were
required
to
install
or
the
buffering
that
was
part
of
your
site.
Approval
is
usually
a
violation
of
the
code
and
then
to
try
to
clarify
the
different
steps
the
city
can
take
to
enforce
it
in
general.
The
trend
here
and
it
usually
it's
not
written
down,
but
increasingly
newer
codes,
write
it
down.
E
The
point
of
enforcing
zoning
is
not
to
collect
fines
and
force
people
to
take
things
down.
The
point
of
enforcing
zoning
is
to
help
people
bring
their
properties
back
into
compliance.
You
violated
it.
You
did
not
maintain
the
landscaping.
We're
going
to
give
you
a
letter,
we're
going
to
ask
you
to
maintain
the
landscape,
a
polite
letter
saying
please
replace
the
landscaping.
You
have
a
duty
to
do
so.
Pursuant
to
the
following,
followed
by
a
little
bit
less
polite
letter,
saying
look,
we've
told
you
once
there's
another
30
days.
E
You
need
to
do
this
followed
by
all
right.
This
is,
if
you
don't
do
this
by
such
and
such
a
day,
the
fines
are
probably
going
to
start
kicking
in
and
hear
what
the
fines
are
and
by
the
way
fines
happen
every
day,
every
day
of
a
zoning
violation
is
usually
a
separate
fine
and
so
to
give
people
an
incentive
to
say.
E
That
is
usually
spelled
out
much
more
in
newer
codes
than
it
used
to
be
in
others.
So
we'll
talk
more
about
this
in
later
meetings
all
of
this,
but
I
will
take
a
pause
now.
I
think
we're
well
along
the
way-
and
I
guess
I'll
do
this.
First
of
all,
we
have
discussion
at
the
end,
so
I'll
just
do
about
three
more
slides.
E
Those
are
the
trends,
that's
what
you
can
expect
to
see,
and
I
would
love
to
have
comments.
I'm
sure
that
some
of
you
probably
did
do
not
appreciate
some
of
those
trends
or
hope
that
those
trends
don't
wind
up
in
the
draft
that
we're
doing
so
I'd
love
to
have
conversation
today
or
tomorrow
or
next
month
or
the
following
month.
But
basically
I
want
to
review
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
focused
on
it
in
boise
today.
E
What
are
the
decision-making
bodies
and
how
are
you
organizing
this
part
of
your
code
today,
so
you
can
just
read
the
list
on
the
table.
You
know
who
these
people,
who
these
groups
are
the
if
you
didn't
know
now.
You
know
this.
These
are
the
various
people
who
do
things
in
the
city.
Hearing
examiner
is
listed
as
in
your
code
today,
but
it
is
not
currently
being
used.
You
had
a
hearing
examiner
the
hearing.
E
Examiner
was
not
retained,
but
staff
has
been
having
questions
and
having
discussions
about
whether
it
should
be
reinstated
for
certain
types
of
decisions.
E
There
are
two
ways
you
can
do
this,
but
often
a
hearing
examiner
is
given
authority
to
hear
things
like
minor
variances
instead
of
having
the
planning
command
planning
and
zoning
commission
hear
things
like
that.
Basically
saying
look:
this
is
a
minor
deal.
We
do
need
to
hold
a
public
hearing.
We
have
an
employee
or
a
contractor.
Who
is
going
to
conduct
those
public
hearings
and
make
decisions,
and
if
you
don't
like
it,
you
can
appeal
it.
E
E
So
again,
you
now
have
already
these
types
of
review,
and
you
can
read
this:
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
to
you.
There
are
certain
things
that
staff
decide.
There
are
certain
things
that
planning
and
zoning
decides
at
city
council.
You
also
have
design
review
committee,
which
is
not
on
here
but
well.
This
is
going
to
be
posted
for
the
public
and
you
can
kind
of
see
the
allocation
of
things.
This
chart
is
only
on
here
to
show
you
in
general,
this
module.
Three
comes
down
to
a
decision.
Is
this
operational?
E
Does
it
require
discretion,
but
it
is
not
at
the
level
that
it
is
going
to
alter
the
future
of
the
city
in
some
substantial
way,
that
is
an
appointed
body,
whether
it's
historic
preservation
or
planning
and
zoning
or
design
review
and
city
council
makes
the
decisions
that
are
likely
to
affect
the
future
course
of
the
city.
Amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinances,
amendments
to
the
zoning
map,
comprehensive
plans,
setting
up
the
subdivision,
the
framework
of
roads
and
open
spaces
into
which
boise
will
grow
over
time.
E
So
those
are
that
kind
of
small
medium
large
is
the
way
these
things
are
generally
tried
to
be
organized
and
that's
part
of
the
exercise
over
the
past
several
months.
Are
they
categorized
correctly?
Is
this
the
right
breakdown
of
who
should
be
making
these
decisions,
or
is
there
a
different
breakdown
that
would
work
better
last
slide?
E
Usually
again,
there
is
a
table
you
have
one
today
I
showed
you
the
top
line
of
a
newer
one
in
the
past,
but
you
can
see
here
you
already
have
this.
You
have
the
procedures
a
little
bit
of
a
description
you
have
who
makes
the
decision
this
particular
table.
Does
not
include
whether
you
need
different
types
of
public
notice
and
it
doesn't
include
whether
you
need
a
meeting
ahead
of
time.
E
So
I'm
just
pointing
out
to
you,
you
already
have
a
version
of
this
layout
from
when
the
code
was
reorganized,
but
not
updated
some
years
ago,
but
it
does
not
convey
as
much
information
as
newer
code
would
convey.
So
I
am
done
and
we'll
put
these
three
questions
up
here.
I
see
we
have
chat
questions
several
of
them,
so
it's
time
for
me
to
be
quiet
and
for
andrea
to
poncho.
This
we've
put
some
suggested
questions
up
here,
we're
talking
process
here.
What
have
you
heard?
E
A
So
we
did
have
a
couple
of
chats,
so
richard
noted
that
replacing
public
hearings
with
administrative
decisions
in
boise
is
terrible.
I
think,
of
the
blue
valley
decision
by
the
director
to
hold
no
neighborhood
meeting
with
residents
for
a
99
bay,
diesel
truck
terminal
and
fueling
station
within
150
feet
of
residential
front
doors.
A
Unfortunately,
here
some
neighborhoods,
like
blue
valley,
are
not
treated
equally
with
more
powerful
neighborhoods.
Administrative
decisions
appear
to
reflect
this
geographic
disparity
in
political
power,
and
there
are
some
things
that
we
may
want
to
note.
So
the
director
did
not
wave
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
neighborhood
meeting
was
not
required
and
the
unusual
piece
with
that
is
blue
valley
was
actually
a
non-conforming
use
in
an
industrial
zone,
so
the
industrial
use
did
go
to
a
public
hearing.
A
So
all
of
those
things
were
in
place,
then
we
also
have
byron,
who
noted
that
he
is
in
favor
of
additional
administrative
approvals
to
accompany
a
well-written
code.
But
clearly
there
are
some
high
impact
uses
that
will
continue
to
require
public
hearings.
As
richard
noted,
patrick
spouts
noted
that
he
agrees
with
byron's
comments
above
so
lots
of
good
comments.
A
I
I
think
overall
notice
works
fine
to
those
that
fall
within
the
radius.
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
don't
think
the
notice
radius
is
large
enough,
because,
especially
with
these
larger
projects,
it
can
affect
much
further
away
than
just
the
five
or
six
hundred
feet,
but
I
think
what
people
get
confused
about
is
when,
and
this
doesn't
happen
all
the
time.
I
It's
happened
a
lot
lately,
but
when,
when
hearings
are
kind
of
deferred
and
there's
lots
and
lots
of
notices
that
that
build
up
people
like
unless
you
know
to
go
to
the
online
pds
system-
and
you
can
figure
it
out
and
access
the
stuff
you
need,
it
can
be
very
difficult
to
find
out
what
the
timeline
is,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
something
that
could
be
worked
on.
I
That's
not
really
a
code
issue,
that's
more
like
a
the
online
pds
software
issue,
but
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
that
you
know
they
get
these.
These
hearing
notices-
and
I
don't
know
they
just
they
just
don't
feel
like
the
the
radius
goes
far
enough,
because
it's
very
when
you
look
at
it,
you
know
it's
like.
Does
it
does
it
fall
from
the
center
of
the
property?
I
Is
it
the
property
line
of
the
property,
and
then
you
have
people
that
are
like
across
the
street
that
don't
get
noticed,
particularly
in
areas
where
there
may
be
large
parcels
and
not
a
lot
of
neighbors
and
not
a
lot
of
people
get
noticed
in
those
situations.
O
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
share
about
the
the
one
thing
that
my
neighbors
and
others
have
commented
about.
Is
the
neighborhood
meetings
themselves?
It's
really
a
mixed
bag.
Sometimes
the
developers
are
really
interested
in
partnering
with
the
neighborhood
and
addressing
some
of
their
concerns
with
the
project,
and
you
know
may
modify
some
of
the
design
elements
and
so
forth,
but
more
often
than
not,
it
seems
like
the
developers.
O
O
O
If
the
developer's
not
interested
in
the
input
from
the
neighborhood
and
they're
going,
you
know
to
move
forward
with
their
design,
then
you
know
I
don't
want
to
say
why
bother,
because
I
think
there
should
be
a
good
dialogue,
but
it
seems
like
at
this
point,
there's
not
a
lot
of
incentives
for
the
developers
to
really
take
anything
that
the
neighborhoods
say
seriously.
You
know
so
like
I
said
it's
been
a
mixed
bag,
but
you
know
some.
Some
developers
are
great,
but
it's
more
often
than
not.
I
And
one
more
comment,
something
that
we've
noticed
out
here
is
that
sometimes
people
who
are
renting
houses
or
in
apartments
do
not
get
the
notices.
It
goes
to
the
property
owner.
So
that
leaves
like
a
whole
class
of
people
that
are
unaware
of.
What's
going
on.
G
Hello,
so
to
kelly's
point,
I
am
of
the
planning
and
zoning
koster
neighborhood
point
person,
and
what
I
have
found
is
that
some
developers
and
really
it's
their
they're
like
architect,
folks
that
will
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood
association
about
neighborhood
meetings,
and
I
I
can
think
of
in
the
last
three
years.
G
I
can
maybe
think
of
two,
but
then
we
have
other
instances
where
you
know
we
had
a
proposal
within
our
neighborhood
and
I
don't
think
I
ever
saw
anything
and
and
then
some
of
these
proposals
like
we
have
one
right
now.
That's
maybe
I
think
it's
11
or
12
town
homes
right
off
hill
road
and
so
that
actually
and
back
to
marissa's
point
you
know
there
are
some
of
the
some
of
these
developments.
G
They
are
they're,
not
just
a
localized
impact
to
the
immediate
or
the
adjacent
homeowners.
But
in
this
particular
case
you
know
increased
traffic
on
hill
road
when
we
have
an
increased
use
of
bicyclists
and
pedestrians.
G
I
feel
like
that.
Should
you
know
more
or
there
should
be
some
consideration
for
notifying
the
neighborhood
association,
so
they
can
at
least
share
that
with
those
that
are
involved
within
that
those
boundaries.
E
A
E
All
right,
no,
those
are,
these
are
great
comments.
These
are
fantastic
comments
and
they
suggest
follow-on
comments
from
our
experience.
So
the
comments
about
checking
the
box
are
we've
heard
before
too,
and
even
though
often
it
doesn't
belong
in
the
code.
I
do.
E
I
think
that,
because
of
this
frustration,
we
are
seeing
more
communities
establish
base
rules
for
what
the
neighborhood
meeting
needs
to
do,
and
it's
hard
to
do
because,
to
be
honest,
the
neighbors
would
really
like
to
know
all
the
details
and
the
developers
nut
does
not
know
the
details
and,
frankly,
the
developer
is
not
supposed
to
know
all
the
details
at
that
point,
depending
on
the
type
of
application
that
they're
filing
it's
very
legitimate
for
them
to
say.
E
Well,
I
need
to
see
if
I
get
this
approval
or
that's
that
approval
before
I
hire
an
architect
before
I
hire
an
engineer,
and
so
there
is
a
kind
of
a
fundamental
difference
of
expectation
in
that
area,
but
because
of
that,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
we've
had
communities
come
up
with
administrative
documents
that
say
when
we
require
a
public,
a
public
meeting,
a
neighborhood
meeting.
E
This
is
what
you
need
to
be
presenting
and
so
and
sometimes
requiring
that
one
or
as
offering
to
both
sides
the
ability
to
file
a
summary
of
the
meeting
which
provides
with
the
application
materials
so
that
it
is
part
of
the
application.
We've
worked
with
a
few
communities
that
say,
if
you
don't
have
a
summary
of
the
meeting,
we
assume
it
didn't
actually
take
place,
and
so
you
need
to
file
it,
which
actually
makes
it
kind
of
our
our
general
experiences.
People
think
I
don't
know
about
the
track
record.
E
You
probably
don't
want
to
have
both
of
those
going
in
at
the
same
time
as
part
of
your
application
materials,
and
so
it
leads
to
a
greater
taking
it
more
seriously,
because
the
bottom
line
is
nobody
has
to
file
anything.
But
you
would
like
to
be
able
to
file
a
summary
or
notes
from
the
meeting
or
something
about
the
meeting.
That
is
not
in
clearer
discrepancy
with
what
someone
else
is
likely
to
file
about
that
meeting.
So
we've
seen
those
terms,
it
does
usually
not
belong
in
the
code.
It
belongs
in
an
administrative
document.
E
I
want
to
talk
and
let
me
talk
about
notice
a
little
bit.
We
also
have
seen
a
trend
where
the
notice
radius
sometimes
changes
based
on
the
size
or
complexity
of
the
project
and
the
zone
district.
I
actually
have
seen
I
I've
actually
seen
very
large
radiuses
out
in
rural
areas,
because
people
say
well,
you
can
say
500
feet
or
a
thousand
feet,
but
nobody
lives
within
that
area.
E
That
there's,
you
could
have
noticed
to
zero
people,
and
so
because
of
the
distance
and
the
fact
that
it's
raw
land
and
it's
in
a
in
a
next
area,
it's
rural,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
sometimes
we
see
notices
that
are
notice,
radius,
distances
that
are
correlated
to
the
size
or
complexity
of
the
project
and
or
the
number
of
people
likely
to
live
within
that
proximity
of
the
application,
so
that
can
be
tailored
just
as
relevant
to
the
earlier
conversation.
Parking
requirements
can
be
tailored
to
different
areas
of
the
city.
E
Then
let
me
mention
one
other
thing
just
so
we
get
it
out
on
the
table.
This
is
not
something
we
can
resolve
today,
but
I
would
urge
people
to
think
about
it.
It's
an
emerging
issue
and
it
really
writes
to
richard's
comments
which
are
always
very
thoughtful
and-
and
I
respect
them
there
is
richard's
comment
was.
If
you
make
decisions,
administrative,
you
may
be
disempowering
less
advantaged
or
less
engaged
or
less
privileged
neighborhoods,
who
are
not
very
connected
to
the
city's
governance.
E
E
Is
that
the
way
to
deal
with
the
demographic
or
economic
or
racial
or
ethnic
unfairness
that
that
that
are
created
is
to
make
sure
that
you
keep
public
hearings
and
you
do
a
better
job,
getting
the
right
people
to
those
public
hearings.
E
I
will
say
the
thing
I'd
like
everybody
to
think
about
is
the
counter
argument
which
has
come
up
in
the
last.
Several
years
is
hey.
We've
been
trying
to
do
that
for
a
long
time.
Planners
have
not
been
trying
to
ignore
disadvantaged
neighborhoods.
If
anything,
perhaps
they
pay
more
attention
to
those
who
get
there,
who
write
more
often
and
show
up
at
hearings
more
often
but
internally
in
the
department
they're
well
aware
that
some
neighborhoods
are
not
and
they've
been
trying
they've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
this
done.
E
It's
not
as
if
this
is
a
bright
idea.
We
we
know
that
some
communities
are
unengaged,
we've
been
trying
and
the
counter
argument.
That's
come
up
in
a
couple
last
few
years
is
it
may
be
fairer
to
make
them
administrative
decisions,
because
staff
will
likely
make
the
same
decision,
regardless
of
who
the
application
is
or
where
it
comes
from.
It
is
either
it
meets
the
criteria
for
an
administrative
decision
or
it
doesn't,
and
it
is
so
I
I
am
not
putting
my
oar
in
the
water.
E
I
am
respecting
the
comment
that
richard
made
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
comment
and
and
the
usual
answer-
I
guess
I
would
endorse
the
usual
answer-
is
we're
going
to
make
better
efforts,
we're
going
to
notify
tenants,
we're
going
to
try
to
round
up
representatives
and
make
sure
that
we
are
trying
to
strengthen
the
neighborhood
organizations
in
the
areas
of
the
city
that
are
less
privileged?
E
But
there
are.
I
I've
had
this
discussion
twice
in
the
last
month
with
different
cities
over
whether
it
is
quote
unquote,
fairer
to
keep
public
hearings,
given
the
history
that
we
have
with
public
hearings
or
fairer,
to
not
have
them
when
you
can
come
up
with
objective
standards,
because
it
is,
it
doesn't
matter
whether
you
can
show
up
or
you're
working,
two
jobs
or
you're,
retired
or
you're
educated
or
less
educated.
When
it's
a
staff
decision,
it
doesn't
matter,
it
may
matter
as
to
whether
that
decision
gets
appealed.
E
But
it
doesn't
matter
at
the
decision,
because
the
decision
is
likely
to
be
made
the
same
way,
regardless
of
who
the
application
is
in
terms
of
whether
the
application
meets
the
code.
So
I
expect
that
will
result
in
some
comments
and
it
isn't
something
we
can
solve
today,
but
I
would
I
think,
in
thinking
this
through
people
should
just
dwell
on
that
and
scratch
their
heads
as
to
of
that
issue,
because
it's
it'll
come
up
it.
I've
raised
it
and
it'll
come
up.
Even
if
I
hadn't
raised
it.
A
All
right,
don
andy
has
provided
a
comment
and
a
question
that
ultimately
says
that
land
planning
the
the
land
planning
process
takes
into
consideration
aspects
that
are
controlled
by
outside
agencies.
This
could
include
achd.
K
A
A
E
E
So
I
think
there
are.
There
are
kind
of
two
questions
here
in
terms
of
how
involved
are
the
neighbors
in
achd?
I
actually
don't
know
my
suspicion
and
you
guys,
please
feel
free
to
correct
me.
I'm
sitting
several
hundred
miles
away
from
you.
E
My
suspicion
is
that
neighbors
are
less
aware
of
what
achd
does
than
they
are
planning
and
zoning
and
design
reviewing
committees
and
things
that
are
closer
to
home
and
that
they
identify
with
the
city
of
boise.
So
my
guess
is
that
they're
not
engaged
in
that
and
again
the
you
know.
The
the
second
level
question
is:
is
there
anything
boise
could
do
to
help
that
and
other
than
turning
comments
that
come?
My
guess
is
the
city
gets
comments
on
development
that
clearly
staff
looks
at
and
says.
E
A
No,
we
we
don't
have
you
know
any
formal
way.
I
guess
the
most
formal
piece
of
the
process
is
when
an
application
is
received
any
applicable
agency
that
may
be
impacted
by
them.
We
notice
them
and
let
them
know
that
their
comments
should
be
received
to
us.
Unfortunately,
achd
sometimes
isn't
very
timely
with
their
comments,
so
the
cities
public
hearing
may
come
before
achds
that
happens
quite
frequently
oftentimes.
Our
staff
will
have
to
call
achd
or
itd
staff
to
see
you
know
where
they
are
in
the
process.
Do
they
have
concerns?
G
A
Know
if
we
are
truly
the
unusual
circumstance
or
if
there's
other
practices
that
other
jurisdictions
use,
I
think
we'd
be
open
to
any
of
those
recommendations
or
suggestions.
Well,
let.
A
E
So
I'm
way
out
of
limb
here
I
have
not
discussed
this
with
staff
at
all,
but
you
kind
of
ask
a
general
question:
how
do
we
see
bifurcated
what
happens
when
there
are
bifurcated
decision-making
processes
with
different
governmental
entities?
Yours,
I
I
think
I've
never
worked
in
a
place
where
a
county
highway
department
has
the
kind
of
authority
over
transportation
that
achd
has,
and
it's
probably
not
the
only
one
in
the
country,
but
I
have
not
worked
in
a
place
that
has
that
situation.
E
However,
there
are
many
situations
in
which
different
branches
for
decision-making
bodies
in
the
city
government
have
control
over
different
parts
of
a
development
approval
like
historic
preservation
and
planning
like
design,
review
and
planning,
in
some
cases
like
a
variance
and
a
planning
approval
or
a
zoning
approval,
and
we
have
worked
with
communities
that
have
come
up
with
systems
that
say
when
it
when
these,
following
when
decisions
involving
the
following
types
of
bifurcated
decisions,
road
access
and
a
zoning
approval
or
road
improvements
or
road
classification,
and
whether
that's
appropriate
for
this
level
of
intensity.
E
If,
when
that
happens,
we
have
set
up
systems
in
some
places
where
there
are
joint
meetings,
where
those
things
are
conducted
as
joint
meetings
between
the
different
bodies
together.
So
you
are
not
your
a
not
making
the
applicant
go
through
two
different
processes
with
two
different
groups
of
people,
with
two
different
moods
on
two
different
nights,
but
you're,
also
not
making
the
citizens
show
up
twice
to
be
told
at
the
first
meeting
that
that
comment
is
really
more
relevant
to
the
second
meeting.
E
And
so
I
don't
know,
if
that's
something,
but
you
said
andre,
you
know
you'll,
consider
joint
meetings
over
projects
of
a
certain
size
or
complexity
that
involve
that
involve
both
road
access
or
both
two
different
decisions.
By
ostensibly
different
groups,
we've
had
we've
seen
those
systems
and
we've
also
seen
systems
where,
in
certain
conditions,
one
decision-making
group
delegates
its
decision-making
authority
to
another
group
we
have
had.
E
So
the
planning
commission
is
making
a
decision
over
something
according
to
its
criteria
and
is
also
acting
in
that
situation
as
the
board
of
adjustment
making
a
decision
about
the
variance
according
to
variance
criteria.
I
am
not
suggesting
those
I'm
offering
them
as
ways
in
which
other
communities
have
said.
A
E
I
can't
answer
the
first
part
of
the
question:
increasingly
there's
a
trend
in
general
around
the
country
to
give
more
notice
notice
upon
the
application
of
receipt
of
an
application
sometimes-
and
I
don't
think
I
recommend
this
separately,
but
sometimes
and
notice
when
the
application
is
deemed
complete
and
it's
going
to
start
approval
process,
sometimes
obviously
notice.
If
a
public
hearing,
if
it's
required,
sometimes
noticed
an
administrative
decision,
has
been
made
in
case,
you
want
to
appeal
it
so
the
types
of
notice.
E
I
know
what
city
staff
is
sweating
now,
because
the
bad
news
is
the
trend
in
terms
of
workload,
more
notice
at
more
points
in
the
process.
A
So
no,
we
do
not
have
an
active
map
that
would
show
the
planning
requests
that
are
in
process
of
the
time.
I
don't
know
if
that
is
something
that
we
could
consider.
You
know,
as
we
come
up
with
these
ideas,
even
if
something
doesn't
necessarily
fit
in
with
the
zoning
code
rewrite.
You
know.
These
are
all
comments
that
are
reviewed
by
our
council
as
well
as
our
mayor.
A
So
you
know
they
may
have
an
interest
in
you
know
investing
in
information
technology
that
does
provide
that
type
of
noticing
or
whatever
that
might
be
don.
You
had
just
rec
or
just
noted
that
some
noticing,
after
an
application,
is
complete.
There
are
some
jurisdictions
that
send
out
a
notice
after
something's
complete
electronically.
How
would
we
have
their
email
address
or
an
electronic
way
to
communicate
with
neighbors.
E
It's
to
my
knowledge-
and
we
did
some
research
on
this,
but
I'm
going
to
have
to
go.
I
intended
to
research
it
while
we're
drafting
the
code,
but
I
have
not
researched
it.
Yet.
We
did
some
research
on
this
a
while
ago.
They
do
it
to
neighborhood
organizations.
Basically,
most
communities
do
not
try
to
keep
a
current
list
of
email
addresses
because
they
change
so
frequently
and
it's
just
labor
intensive.
E
So
what
they
do
is
they
use
the
neighborhood
organization
or
hoa
process
to
send
it
out,
and
that
leads,
of
course,
to
the
same
problem.
Some
hoas
are
very
good
at
letting
their
members
know
what's
going
on
and
some
are
not,
but
that
that's
the
answer
to
that.
They
to
my
knowledge,
I
have
not
seen
any
city
who
has
tried
to
maintain
a
list
of
individuals.
E
I
do
know
that
we
wrote
something
a
few
years
ago
for
a
community.
That
said,
we
will
send
out
these
types
of
notices
to
the
registered
neighborhood
organizations
and
hoas
and
by
the
way,
if
you
are
in
the
neighborhood
in
the
following
neighborhoods
and
you
want
to
receive
notices,
we
will
send
it
to
you
too,
but
we
will
not.
But
you
know
the
day
that
link
goes
bad
because
you
moved
out
of
town.
E
You
need
to
keep
your
links
updated.
We
cannot
be
updating
if
you
give
us
the
link
and
you're
in
that
area
or
that
neighborhood
you'll
not
be
a
member
of
the
registered
neighborhood
organization
but
you're
a
part
of
the
central
bench.
Your
address
is
in
central
bench,
for
example,
and
you
give
us
we'll
send
it
to
you
too
we're
just
pressing
send
to
a
list.
It's
the
neighborhood
organizations
and
those
who've
contacted
us
when
that
goes
bad.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
did
have
one
attendee
that
is
still
available
and
I
think
we
should
probably
hear
from
them
to
make
sure
that
if
they
want
to
provide
any
input
to
the
committee,
they
have
that
opportunity
so
melissa.
Are
you
available?
Do
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
communicate
to
the
citywide
advisory
committee.
Q
Hi
there
sure
I
hope
I
didn't
miss
this,
because
I
did
miss
part
of
the
meeting,
but
I
live
in
the
sycamore
overlay
and
we've
all
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
we'll
be
affected,
because
our
original
zoning
of
r1a
is
now
gone.
As
I
see
it,
and
so
a
neighborhood
with
large
lots
is
now
being
downgraded
to
9
000
square
feet.
So
I'm
just
curious.
Q
We
did
see
something
in
there
that
said
that
your
lot
couldn't
be
decreased
by
more
than
75
percent
of
your
neighbors
lot,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that
means
and
if
that
would
help
us
to
protect
our
lot
sizes
or,
if
we're
all
going
to
just
be
divided
up
into
9
000
square
foot
lot.
So
how
does
a
a
big
you
know
three
quarter
acre
lot
that
was
once
r1a
fit
into
r1b,
and
how
can
we
protect
the
neighborhoods
that
we
bought
into
and
expected
to?
You
know
to
continue.
A
A
They
are
out
there
for
public
comment,
and
so
we
are
really
taking
a
look
at
you
know
what
our
community
is
saying.
So
nothing
is,
is
complete
at
this
time.
So,
if
you
would
like
to
provide
input,
I
think
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
to
follow
us.
We'll
have
a
public
survey
available
on
february,
24th,
you're,
welcome
to
email
us
and
then
we'll
take
that
into
consideration
as
we
as
we
make
those
modifications
for
that
consolidated
plan.
Q
But
I
guess
I
mean
we've
all
commented
a
lot
of
people
have,
but
what
I'm
wondering
is
what
are
our
options
at
this
point?
Are
we
just
pretty
much
out
of
any
options
of
the
neighborhood
we
thought
we
had
bought
into?
I
know
that
dawn
said
something
like
you
weren't
asking
any
neighborhoods
to
completely
give
up
the
neighborhood
they
bought
into,
but
it
seems
like
our
neighborhood
is
being
asked
to
give
up
the
neighborhood
where
we
live.
So
how
does
that
work
in
this
plan?.
E
Well,
if
I
could
comment
melissa,
I
think
you
have
two
or
three
options.
One
is
what
I
heard
you
say.
Is
you
don't
like
that?
Consolidation
and
you're,
not
the
first
person,
to
say
that
there
are
several
people
in
that
area
who
have
said
they
hope
that
when
the
consolidated
draft
comes
out
that
that
r1a
or
something
like
it
will
be
put
in
there?
That
is
still
under
discussion
of
the
city.
So
you
I
you
I
I
hear
you
and
the
bottom
line
is
the
way
this
works.
E
Is
you
won't
see
that
change
if
that
change
is
made
until
the
consolidated
draft?
For
the
reasons
andrea
said
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
that
doesn't
mean
we
haven't
heard
you,
it
means
we
don't
revise
module
one.
Each
time
we
put
out
module
two
in
module
three,
but
but
that
that
comment
has
been
heard.
I
think
loud
and
clear.
The
second
way
you
could
we,
you
could
do
it,
and
I
you
know
I
I
don't
wanna
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
I
I
presume
your
real
comment.
E
Is
you
wish
that
wouldn't
happen
at
all?
If
it
is
going
to
happen?
The
other
way
that
people
that
some
communities
can
do
it
is
to
say
yes,
but
your
ability
we're
doing
that
to
simplify
the
code
and
because
the
plan
doesn't
call
for
that.
E
You
exist
in
the
city
of
boise,
but
the
plan
doesn't
call
for
half-acre
lots
and
how
do
we
deal
with
that
fairly
and
the
answer
is
we
don't
carry
forward
the
r1a,
but
we
have
rules
about
who
can
subdivide
and
how
many
lots
you
can
create-
and
it
may
be
that
this-
that
you
are
fine
you're
in
a
zone
district
that
is
not
a
half
acre
or
20
000
square
foot
zone
district,
but
you
don't
have
a
right
to
subdivide
an
existing
lot
into
those
smaller
lots.
That's
a
subdivision
rule.
E
That
would
say:
yes,
you
you
are
in
r1b,
but
your
ability
to
subdivide
it
is
limited
because
of
the
history
of
the
property.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
them
and
I
think
both
of
those
are
on
the
table.
I
you
can
put
in
writing.
That
would
be
great,
but
the
short
answer
is
there
are
at
least
two
options
that
would
get
you
part
of
what
you'd
like
and-
and
I
think
I,
the
first
one
was
clearly
on
the
under
discussion.
E
A
E
I
would
have
to
go.
Re-Read
it
melissa
to
remember
where
that
was
supposed
to
apply.
I'm
trying
to
do
it
now,
but
thinking
on
the
fly
and
reading
a
code
on
the
fly
is
not
a
recommended
strategy,
but
I
I'll
take
your
third
option
is:
is
there
a
way
of
interpreting
that
in
a
way
that
would
help
you
protect
your
neighborhood
in
the
way
you
want
to?
Is
that
right.
Q
E
E
O
E
Thank
you.
I
know
I
found
it.
I
found
okay
once
again,
you're
we're
conducting
a
public
meeting
here.
You've
raised
a
good
point.
Andrea
thinks
it
was
a
mistake.
E
I
think
that
may
have
been
one
of
the
attempts
we
made
to
say
exactly
what
I
said
in
my
second
option,
which
is,
if
you
existed
on
the
effective.
If
you
walk
in
the
door
in
the
in
the
future
in
zone
r,
one
b,
you're
gonna
have
a
nine
thousand
square
foot
lot
size.
If
you
existed
on
the
effective
date
of
this
code
and
you
want
a
subdivide,
you're
not
going
to
create
parcels
that
are
less
than
three
quarters
the
size
of
the
parcels
on
either
side
of
you.
E
So,
okay,
so
I
as
it
reads
it
would
provide
you
some
protection
and
I
I
don't
want
to
get
crosswise
with
my
client.
But
I
can't
remember
I
don't
know
whether
it's
a
mistake
or
whether
that
was
an
attempt
to
try
to
to
afford
some
level
of
protection,
bring
the
code
closer
to
blueprint
boise
while
offering
some
protection
for
people
who
had
already
planted
last
so
somewhere
in
the
middle
of
that.
We
will
take
it
seriously
and
I
don't
know
which
of
those
is
true.
Q
Okay,
thank
you
that
sounded
like
it
kind
of
referred
to
what
you
said
about
no
one
having
to
radically
change
the
neighborhood
they
moved
into
so
hopefully
it'll
stay.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
that
is
the
only
attendee
that
we
have
so
it
you
know
we
do
have.
It
looks
like
it's
just
after
five,
so
unless
anybody
else
has
anything
else
that
they
would
like
to
add,
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
we
can
probably
close
out
today's
meeting
and
really
be
thinking
about
how
we
want
to
look
at
module
3,
as
we
move
forward.