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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Evening Session
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Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 6:00 PM
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Thanks
next
up,
we
will
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
aztec
asterisk
excuse
me
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
There's
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
council,
member
or
citizen
so
request,
in
which
case
the
item
will
be
removed
from
the
general
order
of
business
and
considered
in
its
normal
sequence,.
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F
E
A
D
B
C
Yes,
willits,
yes,
puddings,
yes,
agent,
yes,
clay!
Yes,
all
in
favor
motion
carries
ord-22-22
an
ordinance
amending
boise
city
code,
title
10,
chapter
5,
section
10-5-7,
10-5-17-2
and
10-5-27
to
add
maximum
allowable
industrial
loadings
to
each
of
the
water
renewal
facilities
to
add
information
to
be
included
on
data
disclosure
forms
for
indirect
discharge
permits
to
add
a
term
to
indirect
discharge,
permit
to
add
records,
retention
for
best
management
practices,
approving
a
summary
of
the
ordinance
and
providing
an
effective
date.
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A
D
G
C
Yes,
willets,
yes,
woodings,
yes,
agent,
yes,
craig!
Yes,
all
in
favor
motion
carries
ord-23-22
and
ordnance
car21-0001
for
property,
located
at
1833,
south
vanell
street
emitting
zoning
classifications
of
the
city
of
boise
city
to
change
the
classification
of
real
property,
particularly
described
in
section
1
of
this
ordinance
from
r-1a
to
r-1
b-d-a,
setting
forth
a
reasoned
statement
in
support
of
such
zone
change
and
providing
an
effective
date.
D
A
H
E
A
I
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
preliminary
or
sorry.
The
preliminary
platform,
the
box
holder
subdivision,
was
approved
by
the
boise
city
council
on
august
31st,
2021
and
included
18
buildable
lots
and
four
common
lots.
The
applicant
is
now
requesting
approval
of
the
final
plot,
which
is
a
conformance
of
the
design
and
layout
of
the
approved
preliminary
plan.
At
the
preliminary
plan,
hearing
council
expressed
concerns,
loss
of
mature
trees
on
site
and
requested
the
applicant
explore
opportunities
to
install
an
unimproved
pathway,
comprised
of
a
gravel
surface
or
similar
material
adjacent
to
the
farmer's
lateral
irrigation
canal.
I
In
addition,
the
pathway
will
be
installed
with
the
subdivision
and
no
healthy
or
desirable.
Trees
should
be
removed
during
its
construction
to
address
these
concerns,
the
applicant
performed
a
tree
survey
of
the
subject:
property
and
developed
a
tree
mitigation
plan.
The
tree
mitigation
plan
will
protect
one
existing
healthy
tree
within
the
landscape
buffer,
but
it
was
required
to
remove
several
mature
trees
located
within
the
proposed
right-of-way
to
mitigate
the
loss
of
these
of
these
trees.
I
As
you
can
see
from
the
landscape
plan,
this
includes
a
substantial
tree
plantings
within
the
landscape
buffer,
the
common
lots
and
a
lot
and
two
trees
per
buildable
lot.
As
for
the
pathway,
the
applicant
is
showing
a
gravel
path
along
the
irrigation
easement
and
a
connection
to
the
pathway
on
the
south
side
or
southeast
side
of
the
development.
I
In
addition,
napa
meridian
irrigation
stated
they
would
allow
the
pathway
within
the
irrigation
or
irrigation
easement,
provided
the
applicant
makes
certain
improvements
to
the
site,
which
includes
very
specific
fencing
along
the
irrigation
canal
and
the
removal
of
all
the
existing
trees
along
the
irrigation
canal.
As
such,
the
apple
is
requesting
not
to
install
the
pathway
and
to
save
these
trees.
I
However,
the
planning
team
recommends
the
pathway
be
installed,
since
the
irrigation
district
could
remove
the
trees
at
any
time
along
the
along
the
lateral.
In
conclusion,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
or
in
the
zoning
planning,
and
zoning
commission
recommends
approval
of
the
subdivision.
Thank
you.
A
D
J
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
I'm
becky
mckay
with
engineering
solutions,
1029
north
rosario
and
meridian,
I'm
representing
the
applicant
on
this
particular
final
plot.
That's
before
you,
this
particular
project,
it's
small
in
stature
with
4.2
acres
of
infill
and
just
18
buildable
lots.
J
There
were
two
things
that
the
existing
neighbors
asked
of
us.
When
we
did
our
neighborhood
meeting
one,
they
asked
that
we
replaced
their
existing
dilapidated
wood,
fencing
all
along
the
eastern
boundary,
which
we
told
them
that
we
would
do
that
and
that
that
is
at
a
cost
of
twenty
thousand
dollars.
J
Secondly,
the
neighbors
to
the
west,
on
the
other
side
of
the
farmer's
lateral,
ask
that
we
retain
the
trees
that
are
along
the
farmer's
lateral.
There
are
significant
number
of
trees
along
that
lateral,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
count
because
they're
all
there's
kind
of
bunches
of
them.
I
counted
probably
about
30.,
as
you
can
see
from
this
picture,
there's
a
wall
of
trees
that
are
along
that
that
farmer's
lateral.
J
J
I
contacted
greg
curtis
the
director
at
nampa,
meridian,
irrigation
district
and
at
first
he
said
no,
because
that's
not
part
of
the
pathway
agreement
between
the
city
of
boise
and
nampa
meridian.
The
the
agreement
deals
with
specific
drains,
not
live
laterals,
and
he
says
until
boise
comes
to
me
and
we
make
an
addendum
to
that
agreement.
I'm
not
going
to
allow
any
pathways,
then
he
said
well,
if
they're
making
it
a
condition
of
you.
J
He
said
I'll
make
one
exception,
but
if
you
put
the
pathway
in
you
shall
remove
every
single
tree
along
the
bank,
because
if
you
disturb
it,
I
want
all
the
trees
gone
now.
A
lot
of
them
are
very
mature.
They've
been
there
for
many
years.
Nampa
meridian
maintains
the
facility
on
the
west
side,
so
they
really
don't
conflict.
J
The
other
thing
he
he
said
he
would
require
of
me
is:
he
said
I
know
you're
putting
wrought
iron
on
the
rear
of
your
lot
lines,
but
that's
a
live,
ditch
and
that's
a
liability
to
the
city
and
it's
not
part
of
our
boise
city
agreement
indemnifying
us.
So
I
want
you
to
build
another
wrought
iron
fence
at
the
top
of
bank.
After
you
strip
all
the
vegetation
and
trees
out
to
build
another
wrought,
iron
fence
is
going
to
cost
28
000.
J
J
We
did
work
with
achd,
we
are
cutting
out
the
existing
sidewalk
and
the
vertical
curb
we're
going
to
replace
the
vertical
curb,
and
I
am
detaching
the
sidewalk
within
our
35
foot
landscape
buffer,
so
that
cost
to
accommodate
the
wishes
to
make
it
more
pedestrian
friendly
along
that
overland
corridor
is
twenty
two
thousand
dollars
so
for
a
little
project
the
dollars
are
really
adding
up,
and-
and
I
know
you
know-
I
get
lectured
everywhere-
I
go.
Why
can't
you
guys
do
more,
affordable
housing?
You
know
we
need
you
to
help
us.
J
I
guess
I'm
coming
before
you
saying
we
need
you
to
help
us,
because
for
every
dollar
that
we
spend,
it
makes
the
value
you
know
the
price
of
these
lots,
the
price
of
these
homes.
I
did
kind
of
bring
a
copy
of
our
plan,
and
and
I'd
like
to
show
that
to
you
in
yellow
you
can
see.
We
have
a
pedestrian
path,
we're
constructing
down
to
the
farmer's
lateral,
then
we're
building
sidewalk,
all
all
the
way
north
up
to
overland
and
install
then
building
a
new
detached
sidewalk.
J
So
I
would
ask
the
council,
in
the
conditions
of
approval
that
are
attached
to
our
staff
report,
items
site
specific
number
three
to
delete
that
that
we
not
be
required
to
install
that
pathway,
because
we'll
have
to
tear
out
all
those
trees
and
do
double
wrought
iron,
fencing
condition.
Four,
you
guys
asked
me
to
construct
a
pathway
east
of
lot
21..
J
J
We
couldn't
put
all
of
the
mitigation
trees
in
our
open
space,
so
we'll
be
planting
those
on
each
lot.
So
I
I
feel
that
we're
going
above
and
beyond
and
doing
what
we
can
to
obviously
achieve
the
vision
that
the
council
has
and
I'd
ask
that
you
support
us
in
these
modifications
of
the
conditions
that
am.
I
answering
questions.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
You
actually
answered
a
couple
of
my
questions
in
your
presentation,
which
were:
are
there
sidewalks
internal
to
the
project,
which
you
said?
Yes,
there
are
yes,
the
emergency
access
can
also
be
pedestrian
access
to
overland.
Yes,
yes,
it
is,
do
you
if
we
were
removing
the
requirement
for
the
pathway
along
the
irrigation
canal?
Do
you
think
it
would
still
be
necessary
to
have
site-specific
condition
number
four
with
the
connection
between
surf
street
and
then
the
pathway
along
the
farmer's
lateral,
irrigation
canal?
J
I
Members
of
the
council,
I
actually
did
meet
with
the
with
napa
meridian,
before
the
the
first
preliminary
hat
or
or
actually
after
the
first
preliminary
plot
was,
was
reviewed
by
the
council,
along
with
members
of
the
planning
team
who
are
working
on
our
pathways
master
plan
at
the
time
they
were
understood
what
was
necessary.
I
don't
know
what
type
of
follow-up
happened
afterward
that,
but
we
did
meet
and
they
did
express
that
this
could
be
done,
but
some
changes
to
our
memorandum,
understanding
with
them
would
have
to
be
adjusted.
D
J
Madam
mayor
councilman
clegg,
we
would
still
retain
condition
two
which
says
that
we
will
record
a
pedestrian
easement
on
that
lot,
23..
So
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
that
is
a
60-foot
easement
for
the
farmer's
lateral
40
to
the
west
and
20
on
our
side.
So,
yes,
we
would
provide
the
easement.
We
just
would
not
install
the
gravel
pathway,
thereby
we
would
be
allowed
to
leave
the
trees
according
to
greg
curtis
and
he
did
send
me
an
email
which
I
did
submit
to
staff.
J
D
J
J
But,
like
I
said
I
I
have
that
entire
farmer's
lateral
easement
in
a
separate
lot,
and
then
we
would
do
a
blanket
easement
over
lot.
23
yeah,
for
if
there
were
an
opportunity
but
but
like
I
said
you
have,
the
sidewalk
network,
which
you
know
is,
is
obviously
going
to
provide
that
north-south
connection.
J
D
It
it
does,
and
if
you're
looking
at
it
just
as
a
sidewalk
network,
that
makes
sense
our
pathways
plan
looks,
is
looking
to
create
both
recreational
and
connectivity
and,
of
course
the
sidewalk
isn't
nearly
as
recreational.
So
we
we
would
be
losing
that
so
final
question
within
that
20
feet,
if
they
weren't
requiring
you
to
remove
the
trees,
would
putting
a
pathway
on
that
side
of
the
ditch
in
that
easement
disturb
the
roots
of
the
trees
that
are
existing,
or
is
that
just
something
that
they've
decided
they
want
to
do
they?
J
They're
typically
not
tree
friendly.
However,
we
do
get
a
lot
of
volunteer
trees
that
mature
and
some
people
plant
trees
along
them,
and
so,
if
it
doesn't
disrupt
with
their
maintenance,
they
don't
bother
them.
But
when
we
come
in
as
a
development
team
and
we
are
building
pathways,
then
they
force
us
to
take
out
all
the
trees.
J
I've
had
to
do
this
on
on
drains
in
multiple
municipalities
and-
and
of
course,
you
know
when
we
take
out
the
trees
that
heats
up
the
water
yeah-
and
you
know,
water
temperature
in
the
boise
river
is
a
big
issue
and
all
the
water
ends
up.
You
know
in
from
the
canals
to
the
drains
to
the
boise
river,
so
you
know
from
a
planting
perspective,
we're
trying
to
retain
those
trees
and
vegetation.
J
As
far
as
the
waterway,
I
think
you've
got
ample
room
if
you
want
to
build
a
pathway
in
the
future,
because
the
the
top
of
bank
looks
like
it's
running
right
at
our
boundaries,
so
you
still
have
20
feet,
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
trees.
You
know
through
there
and
I
did-
I
did
bring
some
some
pictures
to
kind
of
give
you
guys
an
idea
and
and
nampa
meridian
said
you
know
all
of
our
ditch
riders
go
on
the
east
side,
so
the
trees
don't
hamper
them
at
this
time.
D
D
K
L
A
So
it
seems
to
me
that
this
proposal
of
public
easement
that
you
agreed
to
does,
but
it
buys
us
time
and
and
saves
the
opportunity
to
address
the
pathway
in
a
different
manner,
but
get
the
same
thing
in
the
long
run.
Yes,
ma'am
yeah
great
anything
further
nobody's
here
to
testify,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
shut
down
the
public
hearing.
D
D
Condition
number
four
will
now
read
constructive
pedestrian
pathway
within
lot
22,
which
provides
a
connection
between
surf
street
and
the
pedestrian
pathway
along
the
farmers,
lateral
irrigation
canal,
and
we
will
remove
condition
number
six,
as
it
is
no
longer
needed
with
the
addition
of
the
detached
sidewalk
as
per
condition.
Number
five.
L
K
L
G
E
A
A
I
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
rezone
from
r1c
to
r2d,
located
at
2314,
south
broadway
avenue
and
a
primary
platform
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
17
buildable
lots
and
one
common
lot
on
approximately
1.14
acres.
A
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
containing
17
units
was
approved
by
the
punting
and
zoning
commission
on
march
7th
2022
and
was
not
appealed
as
such.
I
Only
the
rezone
and
the
subdivision
subdivision
are
before
council
tonight
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
neighborhood
has
a
mix
of
residential
uses
which
includes
single-family,
duplex
and
multi-family
developments
to
the
west
with
offensive
commercial
uses
along
broadway
avenue.
As
seen
on
this
slide,
the
requested
r2
zone
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
since
the
adjacent
properties
is
owned.
I
As
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan
here,
the
development
consists
of
15
attached,
three-story
town
homes
and
two
detached
single-family
homes
on
1.14
acres.
The
project
design
includes
protecting
the
existing
historic
single-family
house
on
the
property.
The
development
can
consist
of
three
groups
of
five
attached,
townhomes,
two
of
which
will
be
oriented
towards
melrose,
there's
an
additional
new
two-story
single-family
house
along
the
north
property
line,
and
as
already
noted,
the
existing
historic
house
will
be
protected
on
site
with
conditions.
The
project
will
comply
with
all
with
the
with
all
tree
mitigation
requirements.
I
Several
neighbors
did
express
concerns
with
the
project
in
terms
of
compatibility
and
traffic
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
as
discussed
by
the
planning
at
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing.
The
project
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
there
is
traffic
capacity
on
the
adjacent
road
to
support
the
project.
In
summary,
with
the
approved
pud,
the
proposed
preliminary
plot
complies
with
all
the
requirements
of
the
development
code.
In
conclusion,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
recommend
approval
of
the
rezone
in
the
subdivision.
Thank
you.
A
D
Questions
david
just
a
comment:
it
was
really
helpful
to
have
the
tree
mitigation
study
actually
list
out
each
of
the
trees
and
what
type
they
were
and
what
the
caliper
was
so
that
we
we
could
see
very
in
a
very
detailed
way.
What
was
being
proposed.
So
just
a
note
in
the
future.
I
imagine
they
do
that
for
most
of
these
studies,
but
we
don't
typically
get
to
see
it
and
it
was
very
helpful
for
me.
Thank
you.
H
H
As
that
there
are
overhead
power
lines
along
that
the
west
side
of
broadway,
which
would
require
us
to
have
class
one
trees
so
about
two-thirds
of
the
length
of
broadway
will
have
that
detached
five-foot
sidewalk.
As
you
approach
the
intersection
of
melrose
and
broadway,
there
are
some
existing,
probably
70,
foot
tall
catalpas
that
we
want
to
save
on
the
property,
so
we're
proposing
to
bring
the
sidewalk
back
to
attach
to
the
curb.
H
All
of
the
sidewalk
along
melrose
will
be
detached
eight
feet
and
be
a
five
foot
sidewalk
and
have
class
two
street
trees
along
there.
Detaching
the
sidewalk
at
that
corner
also
helps
us
avoid
a
power
pole,
fire
hydrant
and
an
existing
irrigation
structure.
That's
there
that
delivers
water
along
broadway.
H
So,
even
though
we
are
mitigating
fully,
some
of
that
also
won't
just
be
cut
down.
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
we'll
mitigate
for
the
195
inches
being
removed,
but
we
are
retaining
228
inches
of
trees
on
the
site
on
top
of
the
mitigation
trees,
we're
planting-
and
you
know
with
that-
we're
really
excited
about
the
project.
It
does
have
a
historic
home
on
it.
H
It
was
designed
by
turtle
lot
before
turtle
and
hummel
became
an
architecture
firm
in
boise,
and
that
is
the
firm
that
designed
the
state
capitol
building,
as
well
as
multiple
other
buildings
in
this
or
in
our
city,
and
the
home
itself
has
some
river
rock
veneer
on.
It
is
river
rock
that
actually
was
brought
from
the
boise
river
to
this
home
and
placed
on
the
front.
So
we
do
not
anticipate
doing
much
to
the
exterior
of
that
existing
home
other
than
cleaning
it
up
and
removing
anything
that's
damaged.
H
But
we'll
we
are
working
with
the
architect
and
developer
and
builder
will
be
looking
at
how
to
replace
that
with
the
same
historic
materials
and
really
retain
that
historic
character
of
the
home,
which
is
again
why
we
also
didn't
do
any
development
between
the
home
and
broadway
so
that
that
can
always
have
a
view
into
that,
because
it's
a
really
great
home,
I'm
sure
everyone
has
driven
by
there
and
seen
that
house.
It's
really
impressive,
some
of
the
architectural
details
on
it
and
with
that
I
would
stand
for
any
additional
questions.
K
Ben
thank
you
for
your
notes
about
that
house.
When
I
saw
the
when
I
saw
the
big
yellow
sheet
up
on
the
house,
I
was
like
no,
they
can't
tear
down
the
house,
it
is
such
a
special
place
and
very
beautiful
and
I
think
worthy
of
preservation,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
density
that's
built
in
to
the
remaining
land.
That's
there.
I
think
it
really
maximizes
the
site
in
a
nice
way.
H
H
It
doesn't
preclude
someone
from
purchasing
some
as
a
an
investment
property,
but
yes,
they
will
all
be
for
sale,
including
the
existing
home,
that's
being
renovated,
and
that
would
be
resold
as
a
single-family
residence
as
well.
So
yeah
we're
really
excited
about
that
house.
It
is
on
the
national
historic
registry.
Also
I've
done
some
had
some
conversations
with
the
state,
historic
preservation,
office
and
preservation.
Idaho
and
they're
really
excited
about
it,
not
coming
down.
Contrary
to
belief.
H
D
H
Madam
mayor
council,
member
clegg
yeah,
I
do
believe
that,
where
that's
attached
it
does
line
up
almost
directly
across
from
that
angle,
where
I'm
looking
at
the
aerial
photo
right
now
as
well,
where
that
comes
across
the
street.
It's
really
right
in
front
of
those
three
large
catalpas
that
are
on
the
by
getting
that
away
from
the
sidewalk
at
the
corner.
H
D
H
D
D
K
D
A
A
E
D
D
Improvements
shall
include
a
five
foot
detached
sidewalk
with
a
10-foot
landscape
buffer,
with
the
exception
of
the
southern
end
of
that
sidewalk,
which
will
be
allowed
to
be
attached
to
broadway
to
avoid
removing
the
mature
trees
at
that
end,
as
shown
on
the
site
plan,
and
that
that
buffer
shall
include
the
installation
of
class
1
trees
and
staff
can
certainly
play
with
the
language
on
that.
But.
A
C
A
G
G
G
G
The
former
location
of
the
tree
can
be
seen
here
in
the
photo
indicated
with
the
arrow
from
the
street,
and
photos
are
also
included
of
the
stump
and
portions
of
the
tree
that
were
left
after
the
tree
was
removed
in
the
application
materials.
A
letter
from
their
tree
removal
service
indicated
the
tree
was
a
hazard
and
had
compromised
limbs
due
to
wind
damage.
G
However,
this
tree
was
removed
prior
to
a
proper
evaluation
of
the
tree
being
performed
and
therefore
it's
very
difficult
to
understand.
The
actual
condition
of
the
tree
based
on
that
mitigation
was
required
per
the
ordinance
which,
as
you've
heard
previously
tonight,
is
when
it's
equal,
caliper
inches.
So
one
caliper
inch
of
tree
removed
is
replaced
with
one
caliper
inch
of
tree.
So
in
this
circumstance
a
36
inch
caliper
tree
would
require
mitigation
of
either
36
inches
on
site
or
payment
to
the
tree
mitigation
fund,
equal
to
the
value
of
36
inches.
G
So
what
they're
hearing
of
february
28
2022,
the
historic
preservation
commission
did
deny
the
appeal
with
a
vote
of
three
to
two.
They
found
that
sufficient
evidence
did
not
exist,
that
the
tree
met
the
standards
of
the
residential
historic
guidelines
which
require
that
trees
are
diseased
dying
or
present
a
safety
hazard
to
be
removed
without
mitigation
and
therefore
did
just
stick
with
staff's
condition
of
approval
requiring
36
inches
of
mitigation.
G
G
So
subsequently,
the
applicant
appealed
the
historic
preservation
commission's
denial
of
that
appeal
and
is
before
you
tonight
as
a
reminder
in
order
to
modify
or
reverse
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation.
Commission
council
must
find
error
on
their
decision
based
on
these
standards
and
ordinance
upon
doing
so,
the
conditions
of
approval
could
be
modified
alternately.
If
no
error
is
found,
then
the
commission's
decision
would
be
upheld
with
that.
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
E
G
E
G
Now
the
mayor,
councilmember
beijing,
I
believe
that's
correct
yes
right,
my
understanding
is
forestry-
is,
is
pretty
flexible
on
how
this
can
be
accommodated
and
actual
planting
of
trees,
whether
it
was
just
a
payment.
You
know
it's
kind
of
half
dozen
of
one
and
six
of
the
other
if
they
pay
for
the
trees
or
provide
the
trees
to
be
planted
so
yeah,
absolutely
okay,.
B
Is
you
know
this
much
and
on
that
lot?
The
reason
I
took
it
out
was
because
it
was
a
problem
tree.
It
was
an
elm
tree,
siberian,
elm
and
it
had
been.
You
know,
on
a
regular
basis,
dropping
limbs,
yesterday's
storm
would
have
been
a
disaster
and
I
was
outside
my
home
actually
pruning
on
some
getting
the
snow
off.
My
japanese
maple
and
I
hear
this
pop
and
crack
and
stuff,
and
I'm
looking
behind
me
and
tree
very
similar
to
this
situation,
where
there's
three
that
grew
together
we're
just
dropping
limbs
like
crazy.
B
I
have
three
articles
in
here:
I'm
not
going
to
share
them
with
you
unless
you
want
them
about
the
problem
with
siberian
elms
they're
brittle,
they
drop
limbs
a
lot
and
they
put
those
seeds
all
over
the
place
and
you're
constantly
pulling
them
out
so
even
along
the
river.
In
the
paper,
the
other
day,
they
were
talking
about
three
different
kinds
of
trees
that
they
were
pulling
out:
siberian
elm
those
russian
olives
and
some
others,
so
they're
definitely
a
problem
tree.
I
love
trees,
I'm
not
trying
to
destroy
the
city.
B
I've
lived
here.
My
whole
life
and
boise
has
always
been
the
city
of
trees,
there's
plenty
of
trees.
So
I'm
not
really
concerned
about
them
being
mitigated.
But
what
I
did
was,
after
the
historical
council
couldn't
come
to
a
decision
and
they
talked
about
it
for
quite
a
bit
and
basically
they
said
well.
Can
we
just
bump
it
up
to
city,
which
is
what
they've
done
they
didn't
want
to
make
a
decision
on
it.
B
He
came
out
to
my
lot
and
walked
the
lot
with
me,
and
I
asked
him
you
know
give
me
your
thoughts.
I
wasn't
trying
to
influence
him
at
all
about
what
would
seem
appropriate
and
his
recommendation
was
plant
one
or
two
trees
in
an
area
not
too
far
from
where
that
big
tree
left.
That
was
like
a
class
one
which
is
a
shorter
tree.
He
said
maybe
in
the
center
area,
which
I
was
planning
on
putting
one
anyway,
you
know
maybe
a
class
two
or
class
three
a
larger
tree.
B
I
had
any
problem
with
that
and
and
then
maybe
in
the
front,
maybe
a
a
class
one
tree
a
shorter
tree,
so
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
planting
trees
at
all.
It's
just
that
36
inches
of
tree
is
just
too
much
to
put
in
that
yard.
First
off
you
can't
plant
a
36
inch
tree,
or
you
know,
even
my
understanding
is
that
if
you
end
up
with
like
a
10
or
15
inch
tree,
it's
a
it's
a
struggle.
B
So
anyway,
that's
what
I'm
asking
for
is
just
the
common
sense
of
the
the
the
referral
from
michael
andrews,
the
boise
sitter
forester,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
that
I
was
really
taken
aback
by
was-
and
this
may
not
have
anything
to
do
with
anything.
But
when
this
the
state
got
a
christmas
tree
from
harrison
boulevard
without
approval,
it
was
a
16
inch
tree,
and
I
know
after
the
fact
that
they
developed
planting
development
or
whatever
came
up
with
a
reason
that
the
tree
was
too
close
to
the
house.
B
But
again
it's
after
the
fact
there's
another
tree,
just
like
it
on
the
other
side.
That,
apparently,
is
going
to
get
donated,
but
anyway
the
point
is:
he
wasn't
required
in
the
mitigation
to
plant
a
16
inch
tree.
The
mitigation
was
plant
a
tree
and
it
was
the
same
thing
on
that
7
7
7
19th
street.
That
was
disaster
that
I
know
that
came
through
you
guys
with
all
those
trees.
B
There
was
at
least
120
inches
of
trees
that
were
cut
down
and
when
it
finally
settled
based
on
a
recommendation
for
somebody
in
city
council
plant,
seven
trees,
nothing
about
calipers,
nothing
about
anything.
So
there's
just
a
common
sense
thing
here.
That
just
is
hard
for
me
to
sleep
at
night
that
I'm
just
struggling
with,
and
so
basically
all
I'm
asking
is
to
follow
the
directions
that
were
offered
by
mike
andrews
that
who's
the
city
forester.
B
For
what
I
can
do
to
plant
trees
and
I'm
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
that-
I'm
not
trying
to
create
problems.
I
just
want
to
have
some
common
sense
and
I
mean
theoretically,
like
you
said
you
can
plant
stuff
off
site
or
other
places,
and
I
but
I
was
listening
earlier.
It
almost
sounded
like
if
you
have
a
lot
of
trees
on
site
that
somehow
that
can
be
used
as
mitigation.
B
I
don't
understand
all
the
rules
exactly,
but
you
know,
and
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
yet.
I
was
not
aware
that
the
historical
I
knew
there
was
a
historical
district,
but
I
didn't
know
the
rules
and
the
the
tree
service
that
I
used
said.
Nobody
really
cares
about
elm
trees.
Okay,
that's
fine!
So
anyway,
I
don't
really
have
any
more
to
say,
but
I'm
just
requesting
that
we
use
some
common
sense
and
maybe
the
suggestions-
and
I
did
provide
these
to
josh-
that
the
boise
city
forester
has
suggested
that
makes
sense
for
that
property.
B
A
K
K
B
I
was
going
to
be
allowed
to
do
you
know
I
mean
for
sure
I
was.
If
you
actually
go
to
the
yard,
it
definitely
needs
trees,
but
maybe
along
the
fence.
It
should
be
like
class
one
or
maybe
some
nice,
big
bushes
or
something
I
don't
know,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways.
You
can
do
it.
I've
got
a
new
tenant
in
there
now
that
are
that
are
good,
and
I
made
them
aware
that
we'll
be
planting
some
trees,
but
I
just
don't
think
I
can
plant
36
inches
of
trees
and
the
other
thing.
B
When
and
again
you
were
talking
about
dollars
per
caliber
inch
again
I
was
taking
it
back
first,
it
cost
me
2800
to
get
that
tree
out
of
there
in
the
first
place
and
then
one
the
alternative
of
of
what
kind
of
contribution
that
could
be
made,
and
I
in
my
mind
from
common
sense
now,
I'm
at
five
six
hundred
bucks,
something
like
that.
But
then
they
said
no.
B
It's
like
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
per
carat
per
inch
and
multiplied
that
it
was
like
9
600
contribution,
I'm
going
that
doesn't
sound
right.
That
sounds
horrible
and
then
the
comment
that
they
made
after
that
was
you
know
that
seems
like
a
bit
much.
Maybe
we
can
cut
it
in
half.
What
are
you
basing
to
cut
it
in
half
off?
B
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
get
it
so
that
was
that
was
kind
of
hard
to
hard
to
deal
with
so,
and
I
mean
you
could
take
this
to
extremes.
What,
if
you
have
a
forest
in
the
backyard
and
you
cut
them
all
down?
Are
you
required
to
put
that
forest
back
and
also,
what's
not
considered?
I
don't
think.
Is
it
in
the
code
is
like
what
about
the
growth
factor?
You
know.
B
So,
if
you
put
in
two
and
a
half
inch,
they're
gonna
be
40
feet
in
you
know
four
or
five
years
anyway,
so
the
canopy
is
going
to
be
protected.
I
I
didn't
mean
to
rant.
I'm
sorry,
it's
just
to
be
honest
with
this
started
in
october
and
every
other
week.
I
can't
sleep
because
of
this
whole
thing
anyway,.
B
B
B
I
guess
I
should
add
one
more
thing
and
I
know
I'm
probably
out
of
time,
but
the
neighbors
were
real
upset
and
I
get
it,
but
there
were
also
a
couple
of
the
people.
I
think
one
of
them
was
on.
The
historic
committee
was
very
demanding
and
very
pushy,
and
if
you
don't
stop
right
now,
I'm
gonna
call
the
police,
so
they
did
call
the
police
guess
what
I
had.
A
couple
of
policemen
show
up
in
my
house
issue
me
a
certificate.
B
You
know
a
ticket
or
whatever
a
complaint,
and
I
said
oh
what's
this,
you
know
well,
there's
nothing
I
can
do,
but
I
can't
tell
you
who
who,
where
the
plate
came
from,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
go
to
before
a
judge.
I
go
okay.
So
is
this
just
a
simple?
No,
it's
a
misdemeanor
misdemeanor!
Okay,
so
I
actually
did
go
before
a
judge
like
a
couple
of
months
later
and
he
didn't
have
a
clue
what
this
is
all
about.
B
A
L
But
I
do
have
a
question
so
council
remember
agent,
I
think,
brought
up
a
couple
of
our
alternatives.
Earlier
combination
of
pain
and
planting
planting
and
purchasing
trees
that
might
be
able
to
be
used
in
some
other
areas.
We
do
stuff
with
the
city
of
trees,
challenge
in
a
few
other
areas,
and
so
the
code
tells
us
that
we
have
to
replace
the
36
inches
of
caliper
trees.
L
So
it's
pretty
clear
what
our
options
are-
and
you
mentioned
earlier
that
if
it
was
to
be
cut
down
to
a
different
amount
like
where
does
that
amount
come
from?
It's
somewhat
arbitrary,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
like
we're,
looking
at
options
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
sticking
to
code.
So
it's
not
an
arbitrary
decision.
L
So
if
we
were
able
to
come
up
with
a
cheaper
option
that
wasn't
nine
thousand
dollars
but
still
came
to
the
spot
where
you
were
paying
for
other
trees
that
were
going
to
be
planted
in
other
areas,
is
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
it
is
that
you're?
Looking
for
because
you're
saying
that
you
don't
want
an
arbitrary
number
and
we've
got
some
stuff,
that's
written
down
in
city
code
and
there
does
have
to
be
some
sort
of
some
sort
of
a
replacement
of
these
trees.
B
B
G
Madam
mayor
council,
president
clegg,
so
the
ordinance
states
it's
slightly
different
than
that
than
that.
It
says
that
for
healthy,
desirable
trees,
they
shall
be
mitigated
in
equal,
caliper,
inches
or,
and
I've
got
the
language
in
the
report
here
or
a
donation
made
equal
to
the
value
of
planting
those
equal
calipers
to
the
city
tree
fund.
D
G
D
D
Further,
yes
adam
here,
one
more
question
of
the
applicant
sorry
to
make
you
come
back
up
here,
but
I
can
talk
while
you're
walking
up.
So
my
question
is:
do
you
understand
that,
in
addition
that
that
it
can
be
a
combination
that,
in
addition
to
planting
the
10
to
20
caliber
inches
that
you
could
plant
with
the
recommendation
of
the
city
forester,
then
you
could
donate
the
difference
and
or
donate
trees
to
actually
get
planted
in
in
sites
that
the
city
forester
identifies
on
public
land?
That
would
equal
the
rest.
D
B
L
E
Madam
mayor,
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
figure
out
first
is
whether
the
tree
was
healthy
or
whether
there
was
sufficient
evidence
whether
there
was
not
sufficient
evidence
that
the
tree
was
unhealthy,
because
if
we
think
there
was
sufficient
evidence
that
the
tree
was
unhealthy,
then
we
reverse.
So
that's
like
the
threshold
question
for
me
and
we
had
the
applicant's
testimony
and
his
belief.
E
L
We
can't
just
continue
to
make
exceptions.
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
opportunities
for
that
price
to
be
reduced
significantly.
I
think
there
may
be
opportunities
within
the
city
of
trees,
challenge
to
potentially
even
purchase
trees
that
aren't
even
planted
that
can
be
given
away
as
long
as
those
caliper
inches
are
being
replaced,
which
we
see
in
city
code.
I
think
we
have
the
ability
to
reduce
what
looks
like
a
pretty
large
number,
but
based
off
of
city
code
and
based
off
of
the
way
that
things
were
handled
in
the
incorrect
manner.
E
Just
to
remember,
if
I
can
just
clarify,
I
completely
agree-
and
I
think
I'm
the
person
who
said
what's
the
rule
going
to
be
you
just
cut
down
a
tree
and
get
away
with
it
right.
There's
one
photo
of
a
branch
chunk
of
branch
that
shows
heart
rot
and
that's
entirely
what
I'm
basing
it
on
because
absent
that
photo.
D
Madame
thank
you.
So
you
know,
I
appreciate
what
council
member
beijing
is
saying,
although
I
would
note
that
on
large
mature
trees,
there's
often
a
branch
or
two
that
has
some
issues
that
doesn't
mean
the
whole
tree
is
unhealthy,
and
so
for
me
there
wasn't
sufficient
evidence
that
that
the
tree
was
unhealthy
to
make
that
finding,
and
I
think
we
are
at
a
point
where
folks
are
working
working.
The
system,
if
you
will
whether
this
was
on
purpose
in
this
case
or
not.
D
D
K
K
So
I
don't
think
I
mean
I
agree
with
the
council
president
that
we
should
not
approve
the
appeal.
However,
to
me,
the
mitigation
is
a
little
bit
cloudy
and
maybe
a
little
bit
excessive
for
what
needs
to
happen,
and
I
agree
with
the
city
forester,
who
visited
the
appellant
in
those
more
appropriate
mitigation
measures
for
the
removal
of
the
tree,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
in
the
middle
here
like.
K
I
don't
think
that
we
should
uphold
the
appeal,
but
also,
I
feel,
like
the
mitigation
feels
excessive
and
that
the
city,
forester's
expertise
could
be
used
in
this
situation,
to
require
the
homeowner
to
mitigate
and
hold
hold
some
accountability
and
also
provide
for
some
future
caliper
inches.
Maybe
not
36
right
off
the
bat,
but
at
some
point
it
would
get
there.
So
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at.
D
And
I
would
just
respond
to
council
member
woodings
and
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
city
forester
was
being
asked
to
rule
on
whether
this
was
sufficient
mitigation
for
the
historic
preservation
decision.
He
was
being
asked
to
rule
on
what
kind
of
trees
could
go
in
this
lot,
and
so
I
think
that
it
is
an
appropriate
amount
of
trees
for
the
lot,
and
I
think
I
would
encourage
the
applicant
to
plant
those.
D
K
I
forgot
to
mention
that
part
too.
I,
without
having
seen
the
tree
standing
it's
really
hard
to
make
that
determination.
I
used
to
live
with,
where
I
would
sleep
with
my
head
five
feet
from
a
siberian
elm.
Did
that
feel
great?
No
like
never,
especially
during
a
windstorm
they're,
not
great
trees,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
really
have
standards
that
are
real
clear
in
our
city.
K
K
I
also
don't
know
that
there's
sufficient
evidence
that
it
was
healthy
and
wasn't
going
to
cause
damage,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
from
on
that,
and
I
realized
that
the
city
forester
wasn't
looking
at
it
with
that
lens,
but
that's
kind
of
our
job,
sometimes
to
look
at
it
with
that
lens.
Like
is
this
sufficient
mitigation?
L
A
If
those
people
are
listed,
they
should
know-
and
I
do
believe
that
there's
something
there
from
yes,
the
buck
stops
here
at
the
homeowner.
But
yes,
it
also
ought
to
stop
in
some
way
at
those
who
are
experienced
tree
cutters,
especially
those
that
are
listed
on
our
website
as
being
licensed,
or
you
know,
having
done
something
to
get
listed
on
the
city
of
boise
website.