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D
A
A
D
All
right,
great
so
just
to
quickly
run
through
there's,
there's
four
ibcs
for
today,
and
most
of
them
relate
simply
to
moving
money
around
as
opposed
to
new
dollar
requests.
So
first
up
is
the
in
it.
We
currently
have
an
activity
for
erp
system
upgrades
and
there's
about
1.1
million
dollars
in
that
activity.
D
Right
now
that
we
want
to
separate
out
into
two
separate
activities,
one
which
will
specifically
focus
on
the
due
diligence
related
to
erp
systems
for
dfa
and
hr
and
then
another
one
that
will
focus
on
kind
of
other
city-wide
erp
systems.
So
it's
just
moving
those
existing
dollars
to
these
two
new
activities.
D
The
second
one
is
the
actual,
only
new
money
request
and
this
one
was
highlighted.
It's
the
legal
case
management
system
it'd
be
an
820
000
request.
This
was
highlighted
at
the
end
of
the
year
as
a
potential
use
for
year-end
funds,
and
this
is
to
upgrade
the
the
the
legal
case
management
system.
Currently,
their
criminal
system
is
what
they
use
for
case
management
being
phased
out,
no
longer
supported,
and
so
this
is
to
find
a
replacement
for
that
and
simultaneously
add
a
civil
case
management
component
to
it.
D
D
B
D
The
third
ibc
is
for
a
courier
van
for
the
library
system.
This
is
this
is
not
a
new
dollar
request.
It's
simply.
When
we
created
the
budget,
we
we
missed,
creating
the
the
authority
to
transfer
money
from
the
ils
heritage
fund
into
the
capital
fund,
so
the
expense
has
already
been
reflected
in
the
budget
that
you
saw
and
approved
last
summer.
This
is
just
simply
a
matter
of
transferring
the
money
that
from
heritage
over
to
capital
and
then
likewise,
there's
another
kind
of
shuffling
of
money
for
the
hawkins
range
development.
D
So
this
is
that
400
acre
parcel
that
we
purchased,
I
believe,
was
in
2016
that
currently
sits
undeveloped
as
just
pure
open
space.
So
this
is
to
put
in
trailhead
with
parking
and
restroom.
I
do
want
to
note
that
the
ibc
references
45
vehicles
would
be
how
large
the
parking
area
is.
That's
not
yet
determined
it
could
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
30
instead,
but
regardless
it's
to
develop
that
trail
head
and
a
six
and
a
half
mile
loop
trail.
D
E
E
It's
awfully
nice
to
see
the
case
management
software.
Finally,
coming
around
it's
been
a
long
time.
I
tell
legal's
been
waiting
to
figure
out
which
one
they're
going
to
use
so
glad
to
see
that
I
have
one
question
on
the
restroom
at
the
trailhead,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
parks
is
here
who
could
answer?
I
just
wonder:
is
that
going
to
be
just
a
porta
potty
or
is
it
going
to
be
a
permanent
outhouse.
D
My
understanding-
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
parks
is
on-
I
did
have
folks
from
I.t
on
just
in
case
there
were
more
questions
about
the
it
components
today,
but
on
that,
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
it's
it's
more
like
one
of
the
portland
lou
type
systems
that
we've
used
elsewhere.
D
Oh,
oh,
and
that
is
one
thing
that
sarah
did
note
today,
is
that
the
existing
maintenance
costs
are
not
existing.
The
future
maintenance
costs
in
mno
costs
are
expected
to
be
minimal
and
can
probably
be
absorbed
within
the
existing
budget.
D
You
know,
you
know
obviously
there's
some
disposables
that
go
along
with
some
of
these
restrooms,
but
mno
costs
ongoing
base.
Mno
costs
will
be
the
minimus.
E
F
C
A
Yeah
good
to
see
you
travis,
thank
you.
Next
up,
shawn.
Are
you
covering
the
industrial
park?
Great?
The
council
president
had
asked
for
a
presentation,
a
flash
update
from
sean
keithley
on
the
city's
industrial
park
and
the
strategies
out
there,
and
so
he
is
here
today
to
provide.
A
G
Okay,
thank
you
and
good
afternoon,
mayor
members
of
the
council.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
today
and
have
the
opportunity
to
present
on
this
topic,
be
talking
about
the
heisman
industrial
area
and
give
an
update
on
our
progress
over
the
past
approximately
two
and
a
half
years
since
that
development
agreement
was
signed.
G
So
just
a
quick
overview
of
the
area
that
we're
talking
about.
It
is
the
generally
the
area
in
yellow
which
are
city-owned
properties
that
are
part
of
a
development
agreement
with
the
boyer
company
again
signed
in
march
of
2018.
G
The
purple
properties
that
are
shown
there
are
als
are
are
not
included
in
the
development
agreement
boyer,
but
are
our
city-owned
properties
just
for
reference,
and
if
it's
not
already
apparent,
this
is
an
area.
That's
approximately
four
miles
as
a
crow
flies.
South
east
of
the
airport
approximate
to
south
osmond,
road
and
I-84.
G
So
some
background
on
this,
the
project
in
the
industrial
park.
Again
this
was
a
development
agreement
signed
with
the
boyer
company
for
approximately
140
acres
of
city-owned
property
in
march
of
2018.
G
Those
performance
requirements
are
related
to
square
footages
of
improved,
improved
building
space
on
those
properties
for
each
development
phase,
that's
initiated
in
the
park
a
separate
tracked
ground
lease
is
initiated
and
that
ground
lease
is
a
term
of
50
years,
as
stated
in
the
in
the
d.a,
with
optional
two
10-year
terms
and
for
the
da.
G
The
city
is
also
entitled
to
a
share
of
proceeds
from
these
ground
lease
agreements
that
amount
to
12.5
percent
of
net
operating
revenue,
and
that
is
defined
in
a
fair
amount
of
detail
in
the
d.a
and
relates
to
the
investment
that
is
made
by
the
developer
of
the
boyer
company
and
their
subsidiaries
in
each
phase
and
the
the
opportunity
to
gain
revenue
after
that,
after
all
of
their
operating
expenses,
are
covered.
G
So
basically,
once
they
have
realized
their
their
return
on
investment,
then
that
operating
revenue
portion
starts
to
flow
back
to
the
city
and
I'll
just
state
that
one
of
the
objectives
that
was
included
in
the
original
agreement,
as
part
of
the
presentation
to
council
is
stated
to
be
the
the
catalytic
nature
of
potential
industrial
and
commercial
projects
as
a
primary
objective
of
the
of
the
d.a,
with
with
the
operating
revenue,
perhaps
being
secondary.
G
To
that
brief
overview
of
the
development
timeline
in
march
2018,
the
d.a
was
signed
january
2019,
the
gateway
east
industrial.
This
sorry
urban
renewal
district
took
effect
administered
by
capital
city
development
corporation
and
approximately
nine
months
later,
in
october,
2019.
The
first
development
phase
was
completed
and
that
phase
was
subsequently
leased,
or
at
least
a
major
portion
of
it
to
verdi,
fulfillment,
the
local
boise
company
that
nearly
doubled
their
existing
warehouse
space
and,
just
recently,
the
balance
of
that
facility
was
leased
to
another
local
treasure
valley,
firm,
northwest,
fulfillment
2020.
G
The
second
phase
was
initiated
for
a
280
000
square
foot
distribution
facility,
which
will
be
occupied
and
operational
by
september
of
2021,
and
this
year
a
third
building
design
efforts
are
underway
and
that
building
will
be
approximately
180
000
square
feet
on
the
parcel
just
to
the
east
of
the
wing
code,
distribution.
G
Center
to
summarize,
the
development
that
has
taken
place
to
date,
approximately
450
000
square
feet
have
been
constructed
on
city-owned
property,
and
this
includes
the
approximately
280
000
square
feet
currently
underway.
G
This
includes
about
50
million
or
slightly
more
of
investment
in
new
building
construction,
including
that
in
progress
portion
as
well
as
approximately
one
1.26
million
of
obligated
public
improvements
invested
by
ccdc
in
the
urban
renewal
district
and
I'll.
Just
note
that
that's
for
the
urban
renewal
district
in
general,
not
specifically
this
portion,
but
as
public
improvements
they
by
that
nature,
benefit
this
this
area
as
well
and
in
in
keeping
with
its
intention
as
a
catalytic
development.
There
are
several
other
major
projects
underway
nearby.
G
I've
included
a
couple
photos
of
the
recent
developments
on
the
city-owned
property
to
the
left
is
the
280
000
square
foot
facility
and
to
the
right
is
the
completed
approximately
170
000
square
foot,
fulfillment
center
brief
overview
of
the
infrastructure
investments
in
the
area,
of
course,
gateway.
East
urd
provides
significant
funding
for
public
improvements
that
are
eligible.
G
G
G
A
overall
conceptual
plan
was
included
with
the
understanding
that
development
was
intended
to
be
in
accordance
with
that
plan,
but
could
change,
of
course,
as
specific
projects
took
place
and
as
one
last
note,
a
letter
of
commitment
was
recently
signed
by
the
boyer
company
to
build
and
install
certain
improvements,
infrastructure
improvements
as
a
condition
of
approval
for
a
a
recorded
subdivision,
plat
that
tbd
to
take
place
in
the
future
on
a
portion
of
the
development
area
to
the
west
of
the
current
phase
being
developed.
E
Well,
thanks
for
being
here
sean,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
other
council
members
understood
the
work
that
was
going
on
out
there,
since
many
of
them
were
not
around
when
we
signed
the
original
agreement
with
boyer
so
question
for
you
now
that
a
couple
of
the
building
well,
one
of
them
is
up
and
occupied.
Another
one
is
is
soon
to
be
occupied.
E
How
soon
do
we
expect
some
of
that
net
profit
to
come
into
the
economic
development
division.
G
Mayor
mclean,
mayor
mclean,
council,
member
clay,
excellent
question,
so
I
have
posed
that
question
to
our
development
partner,
boyer
and
intend
to
in
accordance
again
with
the
da
and
the
open
book
policy
that
we're
entitled
to
since
the
the
first
phase
has
been
completed,
to
take
a
close
look
at
when
that
those
funds
will
start
flowing
back
to
the
city.
So
our
development
department
is
aware
of
our
intention
to
start
working
on
this
and
laying
out
a
potential
schedule
for
when
that
might
happen.
E
And
just
for
everyone
else
that
many
at
least
previously,
we
had
always
assigned
that
money
to
the
economic
development
division
to
do
more
economic
development
with.
So
we
may
have
a
budget
decision
before
us
at
some
point,
probably
not
tomorrow,
but
depending
on
how
much
that
is,
and
then
related
question
not
quite
to
do
with
this.
But
of
course,
the
lease
of
the
old
shopko
facility
and
the
request
for
a
rail
spur
on
the
rail
that
we
own.
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
G
Certainly,
mayor
mclaren
council
council
president
clegg,
well
some
good
news
to
share
there,
so
the
recent
addition
to
boise
of
the
azac
company
will
include
use
of
that
railroad
spur
and
that
portion
of
the
of
the
railroad
that's
connected.
That's
where
his
own
boy
by
the
city
of
boise
and
the
expected
number
of
carloads
is
has
not
been
exactly
determined.
G
But
I've
heard
quoted
that
perhaps
30
car
loads
per
month,
something
in
that
neighborhood
could
be
expected
once
operations
fully
ramped
up
again
to
be
confirmed,
but
that's
certainly
good
news
for
use
of
that
city-owned
portion
of
the
railroad
and
could
provide
opportunities
for,
I
suppose,
a
closer
attention
to
be
paid
for
ongoing
maintenance
of
that
track.
H
G
H
G
Madam
mayor
council,
member
halbert,
not
the
the
agreement
with
the
boyer
company
is
a
in
the
development
agreement
at
25-year
agreement.
However,
the
leases
the
ground
leases
that
are
assigned
as
part
of
each
phase
are
for
50
years
plus
two
10-year
terms
perfect.
Thank
you.
I
And
the
mayor,
thank
you,
sean.
One
of
the
reasons
we
were
also
excited
about
having
the
gateway
east
industrial
park
was
because,
in
a
lot
of
ways,
boise
is
lacking
on
those
sort
of
middle-income
jobs.
Are
we
keeping
track
of
the
types
of
jobs
that
are
being
added
out
there
and
what
the
economic
impact
is
both
on
the
individuals
who
are
working
there
and
also
on
the
city
as
a
whole?.
G
And
mayor
councilmember
williams,
excellent
question
for
each
phase
development
phase
that
is
considered
to
by
the
by
the
city
and
by
the
boyer
company.
We
have
made
a
collaborative
effort
to
understand
in
detail
the
type
of
project
that
is
that
is
being
contemplated
and
the
type
of,
for
example,
the
type
of
employment
opportunities
that
will
be
added
to
the
economy
as
a
result.
G
So
I
do
not
have
firm
numbers
yet
on
wages,
for
example,
for
this
latest
phase,
but
have
confidence
that
those
will
reach
an
acceptable
level.
For
you
know,
for
average
county,
for
example,
average
median
wages
for
the
county
and
will
be
quality
jobs
for
the
city
of
boise.
B
Madam
mayor,
yes
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
presentation.
Sean
just
wanted
to
revisit
the
conversations
that
we've
had
about
ways
that
we
can
expand.
Opportunities
for
underrepresented
populations,
underrepresented
businesses
that
could
participate
in
all
the
opportunities
that
we
have
here
in
the
city
of
boise.
So
just
wanted
to
urge
you
to
remember
that,
as
as
you
move
forward
on
this,
but
this
is
a
great
great
bit
of
information
to
have
today.
C
J
J
I'll
I'll.
J
Bit
too,
it
is
great
to
be
here
tonight
we're
here
to
present
what
we
feel
is
a
very
exciting
project.
This
has
been
discussed
for
some
time,
which
is
why
you'll
see
sean
wilson
and
I
tag
teaming
on
this
presentation.
Sean
certainly
has
some
of
the
history
of
this
project
before
I
arrived
and
then
we'll
talk
about
also
my
involvement
starting
four
months
ago
to
what
we
feel
today
is
a
project
that
has
great
community
benefit
great
benefit
to
our
downtown
businesses.
J
K
Thank
you,
mayor
council
members,
thanks
for
having
me
back
again
to
get
an
update
on
fire
station
5.
for
the
agenda.
I
wanted
to
go
through
a
little
background,
just
what
we
talked
about
last
year
in
june
2020
and
then
recap
on
the
direction
that
we
heard
to
go
and
study
more
of
the
station
a
little
bit
about
what
we
found
and
sort
of
the
investigation,
results
and
kind
of
the
next
steps
from
this
point
forward.
K
So
just
real
quick,
our
station
inventory.
This
is
kind
of
the
list
of
station
and
their
assets
fire
station.
Five
is
the
one
with
the
dash
circle
kind
of
in
the
downtown
core
between
station
1
and
18
of
all
of
our
station
assets.
It
is
the
oldest
asset,
approximately
70
years
old,
and
taking
a
little
closer
snapshot
in
the
vicinity
map.
Here,
it's
right
where
front
and
myrtle
come
together
across
the
street
from
rhodes.
Road
skate
park
right
where
the
the
connector
starts
to
elevate
to
the
west.
K
We
have
some
development
to
the
east.
There's
some
new
housing
that
just
went
in
and
to
the
south
is
the
skate
park
a
little
bit
about
the
site.
K
K
We
own
the
entire
site,
except
for
this
little
square
right
here,
which
is
owned
by
achd.
K
It's
a
signalization
box
and
on
the
west
side
of
the
side,
of
course,
is
the
where
the
existing
fire
station
sits
so
kind
of
the
background
of
why
we
got
to
study
in
station
15,
there's
kind
of
three
main
components,
this
condition
of
the
station
programming
with
the
station
facilities
programming,
so
the
types
of
spaces
that
are
within
the
station
and
then
the
level
of
service
with
the
fire
station
and
so
from
a
condition
perspective.
K
We
went
through
it
pretty
detailed
and
most
of
the
systems
like
mechanical
electrical
and
plumbing
systems
are
past
their
useful
life.
A
lot
of
the
architectural
systems
are
coming
due
on
it.
K
You
know
in
1950s
there
was
no
ada
standards
and
so
just
access
to
the
building
itself.
It
has
quite
a
bit
of
accessibility
challenges.
J
J
We
call
that
a
clean,
clean
room,
clean
turnout
room,
what
we've
found
over
the
years
is
that,
even
though
we've
washed
those-
and
we
can
wash
them
up
to
twice
those
turnouts-
they'll
still
off
gas
after
you've
washed
them,
and
so
they
have
that
dedicated
room
where
there's
a
dedicated
airflow
that
that
off-gassing
can
occur
and
really
eliminate
those
carcinogens
to
our
firefighters
is
very
important.
We've
incorporated
those
rooms
into
our
previous
remodels
or
rebuilds
shop.
J
Space
also
you'll,
find
our
firefighters
do
a
lot
of
work
throughout
the
day
that
doesn't
need
to
go
to
public
works.
Some
small
work
around
the
stations
on
the
apparatus
to
have
a
shop
room
to
at
least
have
some
tool
space
et
cetera.
We
don't
have
that
right
now
at
station
five.
The
other
question
that
we
had
to
ask
ourselves
is:
what
does
the
future
look
like?
That's
our
busiest
fire
station
downtown.
J
It
will
continue
to
be
the
busiest
fire
station
for
quite
a
while
and
even
kovit
has
put
some
weird
numbers
to
everything,
but
that
was
the
busiest
firehouse
in
the
entire
state,
and
so
knowing
that
expansion
that
growth
will
occur.
What's
the
future
need
there?
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
discussed
heavily
in
the
past
is
some
form
of
quick
response
unit
to
handle
a
lot
of
the
medical
calls
that
are
going
on,
especially
on
the
weekends
and
so
looking
at.
What
does
that
look
like?
What
is
that
potential
expansion?
J
K
So
the
kind
of
the
result
from
what
we
looked
at
in
june
of
last
year,
when
I
presented,
was
the
direction
we
received,
review
additional
ideas
and
when
we
looked
at
it
initially,
we
really
focused
kind
of
just
on
the
fire
station,
not
an
integrated
site
that
could
be
developed,
and
so
the
task
that
we
got
was
hey.
Look
at
it
as
a
full
site
development.
K
Is
there
a
way
to
horizontally
integrate
with
other
co-locate
with
other
city
priorities
like
affordable
housing,
but
kind
of
think
outside
the
box
on
on
using
this
site?
K
The
other
thing
we
heard
was
we
have
a
new
chief
coming
on
board,
so
let's
not
jump
into
conclusion
until
we
get
input
from
from
the
new
chief,
so
we
it
kind
of
expanded
the
conversation
a
bit
didn't
look
at
it.
Just
as
a
public
works
fire
anymore.
We
worked
with
planning
and
development
services
and
talked
about
hey
what
would
be
possible
on
this
site
from
a
development
perspective.
K
What
part
of
the
site
with
the
adjacencies
got
a
lot
of
input
from
our
previous
director
and
cody
in
our
planning,
we
met
with
leadership
on
site,
to
review
the
existing
site
kind
of
discuss,
different
uses,
how
they
might
look
on
the
site
and
then
really
what
we
did
is
just
kind
of
launched
into,
and
I
did.
I
did
development
and
initially
in
the
idea,
development
it's
more
of
a
test
to
fit
analysis,
so
we're
trying
to
see
okay.
What
can
we
fit
on
the
site?
K
How
can
we
do
a
site
integration
and
really
focus
on
kind
of
maximizing
the
potential
use
of
the
site
for
other
priorities?
And
so
just
a
quick
note,
we
have
a
lot
of
like
figures
coming
out:
everything's
really
creative
renderings.
We
haven't
designed
anything
up
to
this
point,
so
that's
really
kind
of
when
we
talk
next
steps.
Kind
of
the
next
step.
K
So
first
thing
we
did
is
just
kind
of
plugged
a
bunch
of
boxes
on
a
site
and
worked
with
planning
and
said:
what
can
we
really
squeeze
on
here?
How
much
of
a
housing
unit
based
on
adjacencies,
based
on
where
it's
at
relative
to
the
city
and
what
we're
finding
is
you
can
put
a
lot
on
the
site,
it's
0.85
acres,
but
a
lot
could
be
fit
on
the
site
after
we
started
putting
just
sort
of
boxes
down
to
understand
what
the
potential
is
for
something
like
affordable
housing.
K
K
There's
lots
of
opportunities.
I
was
kind
of
surprised
actually
how
much
you
can
get
onto
you
know,
.85
acres,
and
with
that,
after
we
got
done
with
the
boxes.
We
looked
at
it.
We
we
decided
hey.
We
need
a
really
good
sort
of
creative
rendering
of
what
what
the
potential
is
for
this
site.
So
we
tasked
the
architect
with
coming
up
with
this.
J
So
that's
where
I
come
back
in,
he
mentioned
wait
for
the
chief
theater,
and
so,
as
we
did
some
side
visits,
we
talked
to
the
firefighters.
We
understood
the
history
of
this
project,
what
chief
carboni
or
logistics
she
showed
me
was
some
drawings
that
had
been
done
in
2017
of
a
potential
design
for
a
fire
station.
J
It
was
just
a
stand-alone
fire
station
and
I
said
well:
can
we
engage
rice
fergus
and
see
if
they
can
do
a
conceptual
drawing
of
what
this
might
look
like
with
the
housing
behind
it
and
really
put
this
whole
project
together
visually
to
have
a
good
conversation
around
it?
So,
as
you
look
at
the
the
firehouse
itself,
we
would
love
to
incorporate
some
of
the
old
traditional
feel
to
it.
You
see
the
brick
facade
on
the
front
where
the
apparatus
come
out.
J
We
have
old
pictures
from
the
early
1900s
of
stations
that
had
that
look
to
it.
We
feel
that
that's
a
great
representation
of
this
downtown
area
in
the
right
hand
corner
there,
you'll
see
a
bunch
of
glassware
and
behind
that
would
be
an
open
history
of
our
fire
department,
where
we
have
some
brick
behind
it
from
this
station.
J
Currently
we
have
some
equipment
shown
that
we've
traditionally
used
over
the
years
and
really
make
it
a
community
engagement
aspect
right
there
on
that
corner
and
also
creating
some
community
space
where
we
can
engage
our
community
downtown
right
here
at
this
firehouse,
we
take
pride
in
rolling
up
the
doors
at
our
firehouse,
especially
in
the
spring
and
summer,
to
engage
with
our
community.
We
feel
that
this
is
another
great
opportunity
to
do
just
that.
J
So
that's
one
perspective
and
then
there's
another
perspective
from
the
other
side.
If
you're
looking
from
rhodes
park
this
site
location,
where
our
current
station
is,
is
the
best
location,
we
did
take
a
look
at
15th.
The
challenge
there
is,
we
would
have
have
to
add
significant
signalization
as
that's
a
one-way
going
north.
J
They're
excited
about
this
project.
They
think
it
can
be
a
great
win-win
project
for
the
fire
department,
the
city
and
the
community.
So
with
that,
we'll
turn
them
back
over
to
sean
I'll
talk
briefly,
I
apologize.
This
was
my
slide.
The
question
that
was
posed
to
me
is:
if
we
have
to
tear
that
down
rebuild
it,
what
do
we
do
to
ensure
response
in
the
downtown
core?
J
Our
plan
a
would
be
to
use
our
logistics
site
at
americana
and
get
some
trailers
it's
been
done
before
it
works
and
respond
out
of
that
logistics
site.
So
we
have
good
quick,
downtown
coverage.
Plan
b
would
be
to
utilize
station
18
in
garden
city
close
to
that
downtown
core
we've
been
able
to
use
that
station
before
when
we
have
remodels
et
cetera.
So
we
have
two
options
there,
certainly
one
a
would
be
the
logistics
site
right
downtown
during
that
construction
timeline.
K
Next
steps,
really
it's
that
test
test
to
fit
kind
of
proof
of
concept,
and
so
next
step
is:
do
a
fire
station
concept.
It's
about
a
five
to
ten
percent
design,
update
baseline
scope
and
schedule
get
a
better
understanding.
How
long
would
this
take
to
do?
K
What
would
the
scope
look
like
the
third
bullet
from
a
design
or
an
engineer
perspective
is
really
important,
just
better
understanding
the
interface
points
between
the
station
and
the
other
development-
that's
adjacent
to
it,
and
how
do
we
set
that
up
to
enable
a
lot
of
flexibility
with
whatever
the
future
development
looks
like
and
then,
as
mark
mentioned,
prepare
for
operational
impacts?
K
And
then
we
started
working
with
community
engagement
to
better
understand
kind
of
the
push
and
pull
of
information
and
how
that
looks,
we
don't
have
a
plan
yet,
but
the
conversations
have
been
going
on
for
a
few
weeks
and
really
kind
of
supporting
that
site
build
out.
It's
that
interface
area
kind
of
between
the
station
and
housing.
K
If
that
is
a
community
space
for
parking
or
what
that
looks
like,
but
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we
build
something
that
gives
all
any
future
work
lots
of
options
and
lots
of
opportunity,
and
so
even
though
I
just
said
with
the
concept,
it
will
figure
the
timeline
out
better.
I
put
up
a
sort
of
estimated
timeline.
This
is
kind
of
what
my
gut
says
on
the
project.
K
We'd
start
the
concept
around
now
go
through
q3,
so
it
would
take
now
through
july,
schematic
design
would
start
in
q4
fiscal
year,
21
q4
plus.
I
call
it
because
it
would
leak
into
fiscal
year,
22
a
little
bit
probably
a
month
or
two.
C
I
Mayor,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sean
and
chiefney
meyer.
It's
I
remember
talking
through
a
concept
that
was
similar
to
this
with
chief
doane
like
years
ago,
where
he
was
like
what,
if
we
could,
you
know,
do
this
like
multi-use
development
around
the
new
fire
station
and
it
seemed
like
a
brilliant
idea.
So
it's
great
to
see
something
come
to
life
that
encompasses
so
much
of
what
the
city
needs.
I
My
question
is:
chief
neymar,
you
kind
of
touched
on
the
emotional
connection
that
people
have
with
the
station.
What
was
the
process
to
kind
of
determine
that
the
existing
fire
station
was
not
one
that
was
eligible
or
worthy
of
rehabilitation.
J
Yeah,
madam
mayor
council,
member
williams,
great
question
when
I
first
started
engaging
on
this
station.
One
of
the
concerns
that
got
brought
up
right
away
with
the
firefighters
is
they
they
thought
a
wall
and
the
current
station
was
still
an
existing
wall
from
the
1900s
from
the
original
station
downtown.
So
that
was
one
of
my
first
concerns
is,
if
that's
true,
that
is
that's
historical.
How
do
we?
J
How
do
we
capture
that
we
did
a
full
survey
sean
reached
out
to
I'm
going
to
forget
who
you
reached
out
to
for
the
report
to
identify
that
that
wall
was
built
in
1955
when
that
whole
station
was
torn
down
and
rebuilt,
so
that
that
created
a
different
perspective
for
all
of
us?
J
I
think
on
the
engagement
as
far
as
the
station
and
the
feelings
around
the
fire
station
go
in
the
firehouse
that
we
do
create
memories
in
those
in
those
fire
houses,
but
we
also
understand
new
memories
are
going
to
be
born
out
of
the
new
out
of
the
new
station.
So
I
think,
looking
at
the
needs
and
and
the
concern
that
we
had
collectively
on,
we
know
what
a
remodel
would
cost.
But
what
are
the
unknowns
of
that
remodel
when
we
start
opening
up
walls?
J
I
I
L
L
And
two
things
real,
quick
on
the
sentimental
component.
I
certainly
agree
with
that
and
as
you
move
forward,
I
hope
you'll
look
for
opportunities
to
and,
and
you
and
the
firefighters
of
course
would
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
which
pieces
within
the
building
or
outside
of
the
building
could
be
integrated
into
the
new
structure
as
a
way
to
keep
that
sentimental,
emotional
attachment
to
the
old
building
and
then
also
I
may
or
may
not
know.
L
I've
been
a
supporter
for
many
years
of
adding
a
fourth
firefighter
to
the
shifts
at
that
station.
In
particular,
and
I
noticed
you
are
looking
at
the
ability
to
meet
larger
crew
size
at
the
new
station.
That
thought
process
is
including
the
potential
for
that.
Fourth
firefighter
at
some
point.
Thank
you.
J
Madam
mayor
councilmember
thompson,
first
of
all,
in
the
sentimental
value
we
absolutely
have
some,
I
think,
pretty
cool
ideas
on
how
to
incorporate
some
of
the
brick
that
would
come
off
that
station.
Also,
if
you
go
upstairs,
there's
a
very
old
wood
floor
that
we
think
can
be
incorporated
as
well
into
some
area
of
the
new
the
new
station.
It
has
a
lot
of
value
to
those
firefighters.
J
As
far
as
the
staffing
honestly,
that's
a
part
of
a
much
broader
conversation
we
plan
to
have
in
the
fire
department
on
long-term
strategic
planning
and
growth,
and
that's
a
conversation
we've
been
talking
about.
So
I
can't
answer
your
question
right
now.
As
far
as
how
the
growth
of
that
station
looks.
J
A
A
I
know
that
everybody's
interested
in
the
answer,
but
since
the
councilman
asked
it,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
he's
able
to
hear
it
yeah,
while
we're
waiting
for
tj's
face
to
start
moving
again
or
to
go
away
for
a
little
bit.
Are
there
other
questions
for
the
chief,
madam
mayor
council,
president
pro
tem,
and
then
I
heard
somebody
else,
but
I'm
not
sure
who
it
was?
Was
it
you?
Thank
you.
B
B
One
thing
that
I
have
really
enjoyed
since
joining
me
is
getting
to
know
the
the
women
firefighters
who
are
part
of
our
program
and,
if
there's
any
way
for
us
to
acknowledge
the
women
who
are
amazing
and
who
bring
so
much
to
our
tour
community,
just
by
being
firefighters
being
in
a
very
male-dominated
profession
and
representing
our
city
in
such
a
great
way
and
and
paving
the
way
for
other
other
women
to
choose
that
as
a
vocation.
B
J
A
C
J
Thank
you,
mayor,
councilmember
thompson
to
the
history
perspective.
We
do
have
some
very
good
ideas:
the
brick
that's
existing
in
the
station.
We
plan
on
on
reusing
that
a
little
bit
in
that
museum
aspect
where
that
might
be
the
backdrop
and
then
the
wood
floor
from
upstairs
has
has
a
lot
of
value
to
the
firefighters,
a
lot
of
memories
there
that
we
can
incorporate
into
that
new
station
as
well
as
far
as
the
fourth
person
on
the
engine.
J
That's
a
broader
staffing
conversation
that
we
intend
to
have
within
the
department
and
involve
council
leadership,
city
leadership,
our
firefighters
as
well
that
that
conversation
is
coming.
We've
been
talking
about
that
for
two
months,
but
that
is
a
broader
conversation
that
we
need
to
have.
Thank.
H
Thanks
for
answering
tj's
question
twice,
sir,
I
think
maybe
slightly
more
poetic
the
first
time,
but
a
job
well
done
both
times.
My
question
was
somewhat
related
to
tj's
and
it
was
kind
of
about
the
expansion
of
the
firefighting
facility
itself.
I
love
all
the
creativity,
that's
going
on
with
the
other
parts
of
the
property.
I
guess
my
question
is,
as
the
city
grows
significantly
and
hopefully
more
significantly
downtown
and
more
dense.
H
J
Great
question,
madam
mayor
council,
member
hallie
burton
we
believe
that
the
drawing
that
we
have
and
the
work
that
was
done
will
meet
the
current
future
needs
of
that
area.
This
this
drawing
or
this
this
design
would
incorporate
10
bedrooms,
that's
a
truck
company,
an
engine
company
and
something
else
that
we
could
add
in
the
future
to
help
with
the
response
downtown.
That
is
also
it's
a
busy
firehouse.
It's
our
second
do
up
in
the
foothills.
It's
our
second
down
the
river
et
cetera.
J
H
Perfect,
I
didn't
doubt
that
you
did,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
had
a
fire
safety
in
mind
first
and
then
the
other
fun
stuff
to
go
with
it
as
well.
So
appreciate
it.
E
And
mayor
welcome
chief
neymars
good
to
see
you
so
my
question
is
for
both
you
and
sean
welcome
sean
as
well.
It's
good
to
see
people
in
in
person,
given
the
schedule
that
you
showed
us,
it
seems
possible-
and
maybe
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
this
yet
to
also
put
out
the
rfp
for
the
housing
part
of
it,
so
that
the
construction
could
happen
at
the
same
time.
Is
that
what
we're
intending.
K
E
E
Anything
else
and
madame,
if
I
could,
I
you
know,
I'm
one
of
those
people
who's
a
little
sentimental
about
the
station,
but
I
have
to
say
I
was
quite
impressed
with
the
concepts
so
far
to
reflect
the
history
of
that
time
in
fire
service
and
reflect
the
history
of
the
city.
So
thank
you.
A
All
right,
I
think,
you've
got
your
nod
in
terms
of
we
think
we
think
the
direction
direction
and
timing
is
right.
I
agree
with
the
council
president
that
it'd
be
I'm
great,
that
we
now
start
talking
also
about
how
that
the
housing
and
the
calendar
with
that
comes
to
fruition.
But,
thanks
for
being
here
tonight,
great
thank.
A
All
right
next
up,
we
have
courtney
washburn
to
talk
about
police
oversight.
A
Are
our
residents
value
the
police
value
transparency
and
are
looking
for
easy
and
accessible
oversight
and
accountability,
and
so
with
that
courtney
and
our
team
at
the
city
has
some
put
some
a
presentation
together
and
then
we'll
take
your
feedback
to
then
begin
working
on
ordnance.
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
so
we'll
start
with
police
oversight
and
what
we're
calling
a
new
model
of
civilian
police
accountability.
M
E
You,
madam
mayor
council
members,
so
yes,
I
I
have
been
here.
I've
been
certainly
part
of
volunteering
for
the
city.
E
E
E
In
terms
of
the
community
engagement
with
it,
and
so
for
me,
I
have
watched
over
the
last
few
years
wondering
if
there's
something
we
can
do
with
the
way
that
we
write
the
ordinance
and
administer
this
office
to
ensure
that
a
the
community
knows
it's
there
that
they're,
able
and
willing
and
understand
how
to
access
it
and
and
utilize
the
services
that
it
has,
and
that
b
the
office
is
got
the
capacity
to
respond
to
those
requests
and
those
needs
by
making
sure
that
we
understand
how
the
police
themselves
are
performing.
E
I
think
you
know
given
this
last
week
and
what's
happened
in
minnesota,
it
becomes
even
more
important
that
we
understand
how
to
ensure
that
our
citizens
can
build
trust
with
our
police
and
that
our
police
can
build
trust
with
our
citizens
and
that
we
have
truly
have
a
community
policing
model
that
works
for
everyone.
I
think
getting
this
right
is
a
big
piece
of
that.
M
Madam
mayor,
so
just
a
couple
highlights
on
this
slide.
So
as
the
council
president
mentioned,
the
city
created
an
office
of
community
ombudsmen
in
1999.
The
clear
focus
of
the
office
was
to
investigate
complaints
of
misconduct
against
boise
city
law
enforcement
and
police
employees.
At
that
time
it
was
staffed
with
a
full-time
director.
M
What
truly
works
best
with
community
oversight
of
police
agencies
is
what
fits
best
for
the
community
and
so
the
models
that
have
worked.
The
best
aren't
based
on
specificity
as
much
as
they're
based
on
responding
to
community
needs
and
where
the
community
felt
was
the
biggest
impact
and
investment
of
time.
M
And
some
of
the
underlying
aspects
that
are
informing
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
based
on
some
of
your
feedback.
So
with
the
council
president's
help,
I
tried
to
capture
the
various
things
we've
heard
from
you
over
the
last
year,
so
it's
clear
you
want
to
ensure
community
members
know
where
to
turn,
particularly
with
the
protest.
Over
the
past
year,
it
became
clear
that
people
were
really
confused
if
they
had
a
complaint
about
an
officer
where
they
went.
M
What
would
happen
if
you
called
and
complained
about
a
police
officer
and
kind
of
what
that
process
was
the
two
asked
to
emphasize
fairness,
transparency
and
trust
between
the
community
and
bpd?
He
wanted
a
model
that
streams
line,
streamlines
processes,
increased
community
involvement
and
that
reviews
police
conduct.
M
M
If
we
have
systemic
problems-
or
we
just
have
one-time
incidences,
develop
more
clarity
on
rules
and
responsibility
of
oversight,
I
think
this
was
a
reaction
to
the
expansion
of
responsibilities
in
the
office
of
police
oversight
that
perhaps
the
expansion
of
the
role
created
a
bigger
workload
and
the
focus
was
a
bit
taken
away
from
investigations
and
complaints
and
increased
the
profile
of
the
office,
and
I
believe
what
I
heard
is
the
direction
that
you
want.
A
director.
M
Where
commit
community
members
go
what
they
can
expect
kind
of
more
information
about
what
what
happens
and
who
handles
the
complaint
and
what
that
process
looks
like
and
then
analyze
the
differences
between
civilian
oversight
and
internal
affairs
to
re
review.
The
results.
M
For
example,
if
internal
affairs
came
to
a
conclusion-
and
there
was
a
difference
of
opinion
with
civilian
oversight-
you
all
should
be
brought
into
that
conversation,
particularly
if
we're
in
a
position
to
see
if
there
are
trends
associated
with
those.
So
I'll
pause
to
see.
If
any
of
you
have
anything
to
add
here
or
feel
free
to
tell
me
if
I
got
your
feedback
wrong.
I
I
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
great
list.
Courtney.
The
only
thing
that
I
want
to
add
is
more
like
on
the
physical
office
side,
making
sure
that
it's
in
a
location
where
people
know
where
to
go
where
it's
very
convenient
and
accessible
for
folks
to
walk
in,
and
you
know,
on
the
other
side
of
accessibility,
ensuring
that
we
have
all
of
the
technology
pieces
in
place
so
that
people
can
conveniently
access
the
office
online.
A
H
Thank
you,
courtney.
It
looks
like
you've
got
a
lot
of
the
bullet
points
that
I
wanted
to
see
up
there.
I
did
have
a
question
just
kind
of
in
your
mind.
What
does
increase
community
involvement
sort
of
look
like
when
we
talk
about
this
position
and
how
would
they
do
that.
M
Madam
mayor
council
member,
so
the
idea-
and
we
have
several
so
we
would
return
to
you
with
a
community
engagement
plan
and
I'll
get
ahead
of
myself.
But
then
repeat,
myself
again
is
to
put
the
responsibility
of
community
engagement
with
the
office
of
community
engagement,
and
I
in
my
mind
and
again
this
is
just
me
speaking
for
myself.
I
think
we
want
to
advertise
this
office
in
places
where
there
we
believe
are
likely
to
be
complaints.
M
So
I'm
thinking
schools
where
we
have
sros
or
other
outreach
opportunities
where
victims
go
to
find
support
so
that
there's
a
much
bigger
awareness
of
this
office
and
then
also
by
adding
community
awareness
to
the
portfolio
of
the
office
of
community
engagement.
It
would
be
more
consistent
and
just
part
of
what
the
cities
do.
I
think
isolating
the
community
engagement
to
the
office
just
doesn't
give
it
a
broad
enough
exposure,
along
with
the
other
city's
programs.
H
And
madame
air,
just
quick
follow-up.
Thank
you,
courtney.
For
that
clarification,
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
wanting
to
hear
the
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
over
the
past
and
still
today
are
you
know
that
people
have
a
problem.
They
don't
know
who
to
go
to
or
they
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
things,
but
they
don't
feel
comfortable
having
it
in
a
certain
setting
even
before
a
problem
has
occurred,
and
so
that
community
involvement
early
on
when
it
comes
to
discussions,
ideas,
things
that
we
need
to
address.
H
B
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you,
courtney.
The
one
thing
I
would
add
is
for
there
to
be
a
bright
line
between
this
office
and
bpd.
I
think
that's
important.
B
I
don't
know
how
how
that
worked
when,
when
we
had
an
ombudsman
in
place
all
those
years
ago,
but
I
know
as
a
community
member
it,
it
felt
like
pierce
murphy
was
somebody
that
I
knew
from
the
city,
because
it
was
so
much
transparency
and
it
became
very
clear
that
it
was
a
standalone
entity
that
was
doing
what
the
community
wanted
that
office
to
do,
and
so
I
would
just
say
that
that
there
needs
to
be
a
bright
line
between
bpd
and
this
office.
F
Thank
you.
This
feedback
really
is
wonderful.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
add
to
it
is
sort
of
a
two-pronged
set
of
objectives
that
are
unfortunately,
kind
of
in
tension
with
each
other,
which
is,
I
would
love
to
see
this
office
be
accountable
to
the
public
and
to
the
elected
city.
Leadership
in
a
you
know
relatively
transparent
way.
People
are
people
should
be
able
to
look
at
the
work
of
the
office
and
and
tell
what
they're
doing
for
our
community.
F
At
the
same
time,
in
an
ideal
world,
I
would
like
this
office
to
be
very
free
of
political
pressure
or
political
influence.
It
should
have
enough
autonomy
to
stand
up
and
do
what
is
right
in
situations
when
perhaps
the
consensus
will
points
in
a
different
direction
and
that's
tough,
because
the
tools
that
you
use
for
accountability
are
often
the
same
tools.
You
use
to
coerce
somebody
into
doing
the
wrong
thing.
F
And
so,
as
we
move
forward
with
creating
the
office
and
creating
the
the
sort
of
boundaries
and
the
the
zones
of
discretion,
that
it
will
have
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
I'm
going
to
be
looking
for,
because
I
think
it's
very
important,
like
I
said
that
this
office
be
free
of
the
ability
to
be
influenced
politically
or
otherwise.
Yet
also
accountable
to
to
the
public
and
to
the
elected
leaders.
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
council
members.
I
would
also
add
to
this:
I'm
I'm
finding
better
words
now
that
I'm
reading
my
own
slide,
which
I
often
do
is
the
focus
on
community
engagement
should
also
be
about
the
citizen
experience.
So
I
can
imagine
the
stress.
Someone
goes
through
to
make
a
complaint
about
a
police
officer,
particularly
if
the
interaction
wasn't
comfortable,
and
so
I
think
we
can
do
a
lot
with
technology
and
just
transparency.
M
What
happens
if
you
call
this
office
and
what
someone
can
expect
and
kind
of
do
a
better
job
of
walking
people
through
through
that?
So
so
I
captured
everybody's
thoughts
so
just
to
step
back
an
overview.
As
you
all
know,
we
just
did
a
large
survey
of
bpd
and
there's
a
high
confidence
level
in
our
police
department,
but
there's
also
an
increased
awareness
of
the
need
for
accountability
and
transparency
in
policing.
M
M
Our
residents
have
shown
that
they
want
a
clear
understanding
of
who
provides
the
oversight.
How
to
file
a
complaint
and
then
how
these
complaints
are
closed
and
then,
just
as
a
side
note,
the
current
model
we
have
has
been
in
place
for
six
years,
and
so
we
just
think
it's
time
for
an
update
just
coincidence.
The
first
police
oversight
model
also
lasted
six
years,
must
must
be
something
about
the
six-year
mark.
M
M
The
new
proposed
office
would
have
a
clear
process
for
if
the
complaint
was
associated
with
the
chief
of
police
or
the
command
staff
of
the
department,
it
allowed
to
review
a
large
number
of
cases
again.
This
would
be
a
result
of
focusing
the
activities
of
the
office
to
be
in
a
better
position
to
do,
trend
and
pattern
analysis,
robust
reporting
practices
and
encouraging
real-time
oversight
and
open
internal
affairs
investigations,
and
I
think,
ultimately,
we
want
to
promote
long-term
systemic
change.
M
If
we
find
we
have
an
issue,
the
highlights
is
we
look
for
a
specialty
in
reviewing
and
get
investigations.
Kentucky
conducted,
sorry
by
internal
affairs
to
ensure
accurate,
thorough
and
fair
investigations,
so
sets
a
clear
process
and
timelines
for
the
new
proposed
office's
review,
mandates,
audits
of
all
allegations
of
discriminations
and
complaints,
and
then
the
critical
incidents
which
are
I
I
pulled
up
the
codes.
So
I
could
be
clear
about
what
critical
incidents
are.
M
M
M
In
fact,
the
captain
who
oversees
us
was
sworn
in
recently
and
they
will
largely
occupy
their
responsibilities
regarding
officer,
wellness,
diversity
and
bias,
training
and
leadership
development
in
your
support
of
creating
that
division.
We
believe
those
responsibilities
are
better
housed
in
the
new
division
than
in
the
office
of
police
oversight.
M
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
new
proposed
office
wouldn't
advise
the
training
division
on
recommended
policy
changes,
but
there
would
not
be
a
duplication
of
effort
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
before,
it
would
integrate
with
the
office
of
community
engagement,
raise
the
profile,
raise
the
understanding
of
what
happens
when
you
do
make
a
complaint
about
a
police
officer,
and
then
it
would
continue
to
release
independent
reports
and
information
to
you
and
the
public
and
then
so.
M
B
Mayor,
yes,
go
ahead!
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you
courtney.
I
guess
where
I'm
at
right
now
courtney
is.
Is
you
know
what
is
the
status
now
in
terms
how
of
how
we're
addressing
these
issues
that
might
be
coming
our
way?
B
I
don't
know
what
my
colleagues
on
on
the
council
what
their
experience
is
with
the
public
reaching
out
to
them,
but
I
have
had
members
of
the
public
reach
out
to
me
with
troubling
information,
most
recently
a
video
of
someone
who
was
purported
to
be
a
member
of
our
police
department,
placing
their
knee
on
the
neck
of
of
somebody
who
was
being
arrested,
and
this
is
very
recent.
B
B
I
don't
hear
back,
I
don't
know
if
that's
part
of
the
procedure
and
the
policy,
but
I
know
as
an
elected
official
when
folks
reach
out
to
me,
I
am
going
to
be
held
accountable
for
what
happens
moving
forward.
So
I
guess
right
now.
That's
what
I'm
asking
is.
You
know:
can
we
get
some
clear
direction
as
to
what
that
process
is
like
when
we
are
contacted
with
complaints
from
the
public
related
to
bpd
and
what
the
steps
forward
are
until
we
have
this
new
system
in
place.
M
Madam
mayor
council
member,
I
will
follow
up
on
your
question.
I
don't
know
I
mean
it's
a
good
question
what
the
council
should
expect
when
you
facilitate
a
complaint,
what
a
resident
should
expect
when
they
make
a
complaint
I
mean,
I
think
it's
a
similar
challenge,
we're
trying
to
address,
but
I
can
follow
up
specifically
when
council's
either
making
their
own
complaint
or,
if
you're,
facilitating
the
complaint
of
a
constituent.
A
Well
I'll
jump
in
here
too
courtney,
because
you
touched
on
it
earlier
when
we
see
when,
when
the
feedback's
been
taken
today
and
staff
begins
to
work
on
an
ordinance.
A
Those
policies
and
procedures
should
not
only
make
it
clear
for
the
for
us
how
to
serve
the
public,
but
also
for
the
public
to
understand
the
process,
and
then
community
engagement
would
would
be
involved
as
well
to
make
that
more
accessible
to
the
public.
So
my
thinking
is
is
that
when
you
return
with
to
us
with
those
policies
procedures,
it's
going
to
be
really
important
to
have
done
a
full
review
and
to
provide
feedback
at
that
point
to
make
sure
that
we've
covered
everything.
A
A
E
You
a
bit
a
bit
more
follow-up,
and
I
appreciate
council
member
council
president
pro
tem
sanchez's
question,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
important
one.
I
think
it
speaks
to
council
member
beijing's
concerns
that
this
office
not
be
subject
to
political
pressure,
at
the
same
time
that
it
is
accountable
and
transparent
and
available,
and
so
I
think
those
those
policies
and
procedures
are
going
to
be
really
important
and
one
of
the
things
I
didn't
talk
very
deeply
about.
E
But
when
this
office
was
first
formed
that
was
really
under
both
the
mayor
and
the
city
council,
because
it
it
we
are
all
accountable
for
what
happens
to
our
citizens
with
the
police
department.
I
Not
a
mayor,
yes,
I
think
this
whole
conversation
really
lays
bare
what
the
crux
of
the
issue
is,
because
if
a
citizen
comes
to
us
with
a
complaint,
we
should
be
able
to
send
them
to
an
office
where
we
have
confidence
that
that
complaint
is
going
to
be
fully
investigated
and
that
our
constituents
are
going
to
be
taken
care
of.
And
if
we,
as
council
members,
don't
have
that
confidence.
I
That's
where
we
begin
to
have
a
conversation
about
under
which
structure
we
can
have
that
confidence
where
we
can
send
our
constituents
in
you
know
probably
some
of
their
worst
moments
to
a
place
where
they
know
that
they'll
be
taken
care
of.
So
I
think
that
that
really
illuminates.
Why
we're
having
this
conversation
in
the
first
place.
M
Madam
mayor,
if
I
could
ask
the
council
president
a
question,
I'm
I
don't
want
to
make
any
assumptions,
so
I'm
going
to
repeat
back
another
aspect
I
haven't
heard
in
terms
of
mayor
and
council
oversight,
which
I
believe
should
include
a
budget
review.
M
A
Well,
and
just
on
that
too,
I
I
believe
that
I
also
heard
that,
in
addition
to
the
budget
oversight,
this
council's
purview
also
clarity
on
the
role
of
the
director
of
this
office,
with
you
know,
in
relationship
to
other
directors
within
the
city,
and
so
let's
tease
that
out
as
well.
How
given
up
this
will
be,
if
would
be
a
full-time
director.
What
that
looks
like.
F
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me:
go
ahead.
Okay,
great!
This!
Isn't
my
own
feedback,
it's
something
that
courtney
said
earlier
and
I
want
to
amplify
it
because
I've
been
thinking
about
it,
as
you
said,
and
it's
really
important
whatever
we
create
should
reflect
the
needs
of
our
community
specifically
and
not
a
boilerplate
or
copy
and
paste
from
quote.
Unquote.
F
National
best
practices,
or
you
know,
quote
unquote
the
the
sort
of
standard
model
in
cities
around
the
country,
we're
a
unique
community
with
a
unique
set
of
needs,
and
we
have
the
talent
and
the
ability
to
make
a
unique
tailored
product
for
our
community.
That's
exactly
what
I
think
courtney
was
saying,
but
I
I
want
to
embrace
it
and
amplify
it,
because
it's
it's.
I
think
it's
the
right
way
to
go.
H
And
mayor,
maybe
just
one
more
question:
yes,
of
course,
so
I
guess-
and
this
is
just
a
matter
of
process
so
as
we
move
forward-
and
this
comes
to
an
ordinance,
my
question
is:
what
opportunity
is
there
for
the
community
to
provide
any
sort
of
input
or
thoughts
for
before
we
do
that
and
is
it?
Is
it
engagement
outside
of
these
meetings,
or
will
there
be
an
opportunity
for
community
engagement
as
we
present
the
ordinance.
M
Madam
mayor
council
member,
I'm
gonna
write
that
down
as
something
you'd
like
to
consider
on
the
list.
If
that's
okay,
I
don't
want
to
put
the
cart
ahead
of
the
horse
as
well
as
we're
working
through
this,
but
you
will
see
it
again.
It's
a
question
in
my
mind,
of
the
timing
of
the
ordinance
versus
the
policy
policies
and
procedures,
which
I
actually
think
is
where
the
meat
of
of
these
changes
and
where
the
community
will
experience
this
office
in
the
most
direct
way.
But
I'll
take
from
your
comments.
You
want
that
to
happen.
H
Yeah,
madam
mayor,
yes,
I
think
I
always
want
to
know
what
I
don't
know
and
I
and
I
know
that,
from
my
perspective,
my
safety-
my
problem-
may
not
be
the
same
as
somebody
else's,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
hearing
their
voices
or
that
I'm
instructing
people
on
how
how
the
best
way
is
for
them
to
share
that
voice
and
that
insight
that
might
be
different
than
my
own
experience.
So,
yes,.
M
Madam
mayor,
a
point
of
clarification
is
if
you
are
to
move
forward
with
an
ordinance
and
we
put
out
the
descriptions
for
a
new
position,
whether
we
get
a
new
director
or
current
staff
within
the
current
office
applies
for
these
positions.
We
kind
of
we
don't.
We
want
to
evolve
some
of
those
policies
and
procedures
with
the
incoming
staff,
so
what
you'll
probably
see
is
a
framework
while
we
fine
tune
it
with.
M
B
A
E
B
You,
madam
mayor,
I
just
want
to
thank
councilmember
halliburton
for
bringing
that
up
about
ensuring
that
we
have
that
that
as
we
as
we
improve
this
system,
that
you
know
where,
where
you've
identified
that,
perhaps
we
need
to
expand
our
community
engagement.
B
I
I
very
much
like
the
idea
that,
as
we
do
this
work
that
that
we
walk
the
talk
as
it
were
and
that
we
invite
the
community
to
be
a
part
of
this,
and
I
appreciate
that
we
have
continued
this
work
beyond
the
heightened
emotion
that
we
experienced
last
year.
I
think
that
does
a
lot
to
to
comfort
our
community
that
they
that
they
recognize
that
this
is
not
an
issue
that
we
have
moved
on
from,
but
that
it's
something
that
we're
digging
into
deeper
to
make
sure
that
they're
supported.
B
So
so
I
very
much
support
the
suggestion
by
council
member
howie
burton.
E
Thank
you.
I
also
appreciate
you
know
whenever
you
make
a
major
policy
change.
Asking
the
community
for
input
is
a
is
a
great
idea.
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
to
the
members
of
the
public
who
might
be
listening
tonight,
that
our
office
of
police
oversight
is
still
open.
If
you
have
a
complaint,
it's
still
running
as
we
work
through
this
process.
E
That
will
continue
to
be
the
case,
and
so
just
if
you
do
have
an
issue,
don't
be
shy
about
bringing
it
forward
even
during
this
time,
when
we're
reviewing
how
to
do
this
better.
L
Thank
you,
mayor
just
a
comment.
I
thank
you,
courtney.
You
can
tell
you've
been
doing
a
lot
of
research
over
the
last
year
plus
and
it's
well
represented
in
in
what
you
brought
forward.
I
also
appreciate
that
you've
certainly
listened
to
all
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
and
it's
it's
well
noted.
I
think
I'm
very
comfortable
with
moving
forward
now
as
well
moving
forward
with
this
new
process
and
look
forward
to
seeing
where
we
go.
Next,
thanks,
courtney.
A
Excellent,
well,
we
will
have
this
back
before
us
at
some
point
in
the
future.
You
have
what
you
need
right
now
and
if
anything
else
comes
up
I'll,
make
sure
that
courtney
and
team
connects
with
council
through
elaine
through
the
president,
if
staff
has
additional
questions
before
coming
before
us
next
time.
Great.
Thank
you.
Courtney
thank
you
team,
and
we
have
no
executive
sessions
so
we're
now
at
recess
till
6
pm
thanks
all
you.