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A
Well,
welcome
everybody
I
want
to
thank
and
welcome
our
County
Commissioners
for
joining
us
and
welcome
you
to
City
Hall
and
then
the
team
that's
joined
us
from
the
county
as
well.
The
chairman
and
I
both
have
to
open
meetings.
I'm,
sorry
that
that
your
name
tags
don't
have
your
titles,
so
we'll
get
that
fixed
for
next
time.
We
know
that
you
were
Commissioners
I'll.
A
C
D
E
All
right:
well,
we
don't
do
a
roll
call,
there's
only
three
of
us,
but
our
clerk
needs
to.
We
need
to
have
the
the
official
opening
up
and-
and
today
is
the
Wednesday,
the
today's
Wednesday,
the
25th.
The
time
is
10
o'clock,
the
Board
of
Commissioners
is
in
session
and
we're
meeting
with
the
city
and
city
council
great.
A
So
we're
officially
open.
This
is
wonderful
to
have
everybody
together.
We're
trying
to
remember
when
this
last
happened
and
I
feel
like
the
councilmember
Elaine
and
I
Lane,
Clegg
and
I
were
at
a
meeting
with
County
Commission
a
long
long
time
ago.
So
we
we
are
happy
to
be
having
these
conversations
figure
out,
where
we
can
collaborate
on
things
that
were
our
residents
from
both
the
city
and
the
county
are
involved,
but
also
to
have
you
here.
We
do
joint
meetings,
often
with
the
County
Commission.
A
The
chairman
and
I
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
with
other
Mayors
and
County
Commissioners
in
the
region.
But
to
have
this
conversation
on
the
river
and
then
housing
is
a
great
one
to
start
with
our
own
collaborative
meetings.
So
welcome
with
that.
No
I'm,
gonna
I
think
hand
it
off
to
the
team
of
folks.
A
Here,
with
with
this
presentation
in
particular
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
hear
from
all
three
folks
on
the
information
they
have
related
to
River
Management
and
then,
after
that,
let's
get
in
with
questions
and
kind
of
a
policy
discussion
amongst
us
just
so
we
make
sure
we're
able
to
hear
both
from
the
city
and
the
county,
and
before
that
conversation
starts.
F
Okay,
Madam
mayor
I,
checking
to
see
if
our
slide
presentation
will
come
up.
I
think
we
have
to
there.
F
Okay,
Madam
mayor
council
members,
members
of
the
commission,
thank
you,
I'm
Doug
Holloway,
with
our
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
myself,
Chief
Niemeyer,
and
your
parks
and
waterways.
Director
Scott
kohlberg
are
here
to
talk
about
collaborative
efforts,
collaborative
efforts
that
we
have
been
working
together
on
for
the
last
several
months
in
creating
foreign.
F
Okay,
there
we
go,
we
got
it
see
if
the
chief
just
gets
up
and
walks
towards
something.
It
starts
working.
It's
Public,
Safety
again,
we've
been
working
the
last
several
months:
commission
members
and
council
members
Madam
mayor
on
how
we
can
address
some
of
the
issues
that
continue
to
come
up
on
the
river
and
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
all
recognize
is
the
this
asset
we
have
in
the
community
is
probably
one
of
the
most
attractive
things.
F
We
have
that
folks
like
to
do
during
the
summer
time
I
think
director
kohlberg
has
mentioned
they've
done
surveys
in
the
parking
lot
of
of
cars
that
are
parked
there
and
they
get
literally
license
plates
from
just
about
every
state
in
the
United
States.
We
do
know
that
they're
setting
records
every
year
for
the
number
of
folks
that
are
floating
the
river,
and
so
what
comes
with
that
are
some
challenges
that
we
continue
to
work
through.
Ada
County
works
through
our
Public
Safety
folks
work
through
and
us
and
Parks
and
Recreation
as
well.
F
So
one
of
the
the
things
we
wanted
to
discuss
with
the
council
and
the
commission
today,
three
main
topic
points
that
we
believe
we
want
to
get
out
on
the
table
to
discuss.
One
is
the
the
just,
the
overall
safety
of
the
Boise
River
and
the
number
of
of
rescues
and
things
that
are
occurring
on
the
river
that
are
requiring
our
Public
Safety
interaction
and
chief
Niemeyer
again
we'll
address
some
of
that
here
in
a
moment
also
talk
about
communication.
We
think
that's
a
major
player
in
how
we're
collaborating
with
Ada
County.
F
We
have
a
significant
reach
with
our
social
media
platforms.
Ada
County
does
as
well.
We
haven't
been
the
best
in
working
together
on
how
we
utilize
those
Resources
with
our
public
and
then
just
talk
about
escalating
costs
associated
with
how
we
manage
the
river
and
again,
some
of
that
is
in
public
safety.
Some
of
that
is
in
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
also
our
Boise
Police.
So
I'll
kick
this
off
before
turning
it
over
to
Chief
Niemeyer.
Our
role
in
this
is
primarily
the
take
out
on
the
Boise
River,
which
is
at
Ann
Morrison.
F
F
Our
custodial
services.
This
past
year
was
about
ninety
seven
hundred
dollars
and
our
forestry
team
works
very
closely
with
our
fire
department
in
identifying
different
hazards
on
the
river
at
the
beginning
of
the
float
season
and
then
mitigating
those
hazards.
We
also
take
care
of
all
the
permitting
with
the
state
in
our
ability
to
be
able
to
get
onto
the
river
and
actually
mitigate
those
hazards,
and
so
our
forestry
team.
We
have
about
11
200
that
we
spend
annually
on
that.
F
We
also
have
the
contract
with
the
shuttle
company
that
works
with
Ada
County,
Parks
and
waterways
through
Ann,
Morrison,
Park
and
then
we'll
be.
The
city
lead
working
very
closely
with
director
Kohlberg's
team
and
our
fire
department
on
being
the
lead
in
the
communication
and
communication
protocols
from
here
on
out
through
the
summer
float
season,
we
don't
have
a
rep
from
our
Boise
Police
Department,
but
we
have
had
significant
conversations
with
them,
as
well
as
our
parking
control
team
through
the
the
city
clerk's
office.
F
F
We
are
looking
at
at
some
point
whether
it
be
this
fiscal
year,
budget
build
in
24
or
in
25
I.
Believe
your
parking
enforcement
team
will
be
looking
at
adding
some
resources
or
requesting
to
add
resources
to
continue
to
monitor
that
residential
parking
Zone
and
in
conversations
with
our
Boise
Police
Department.
We
they
estimate
about
a
hundred
hours
of
overtime.
In
managing
the
residential
parking
Zone,
which
they
put,
it
depends
on
the
the
hourly
rate
for
the
officers
that
are
managing
that,
but
about
6
000
annually
to
enforce
enforce
the
parking
in
Southeast
Boise.
F
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Chief,
Niemeyer
and
he'll
discuss
not
only
some
of
the
issues
that
the
fire
department
is
facing,
but
also
some
very
exciting
web-based
opportunities
to
increase
our
communication
with
our
floaters
during
the
summertime
Chief
good.
G
Thanks
Doug
good
morning,
everyone
I've
got
about
seven
slots,
so
I'm
going
to
be
efficient
with
my
time
as
the
mayoraluda
too.
We
want
time
for
conversation
afterwards
and
get
it
over
to
Scott.
So
a
little
bit
about
costs,
hard
cost
for
the
2022
Club
season
was
approximately
five
thousand
dollars
which
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot.
What
drives
that
two
things?
One
during
the
mitigation
time
when
our
crews
are
on
the
river
mitigating,
which
is
about
three
to
four
times
a
week
prior
to
the
float
season.
G
So
those
are
some
of
the
hard
costs
that
we
have
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we've
seen
and
it's
a
soft
cost.
But
it
is
a
service
level.
Issue
is
with
more
time
on
the
River
due
to
mitigation
and
then
response
like
we
saw
last
year
that
does
leave
a
pretty
big
void
and
a
pretty
big
response.
District
that
that
station
one
responds
to
fire
zms
calls
within
that
downtown
core,
but
they
also
have
all
the
Foothills
and
the
Foothills
rescues
that
are
also
going
on
congruently
with
the
with
the
rivers.
G
So
that's
some
of
the
the
hard
and
soft
costs
that
we
have
that
we
mitigate
through
every
year
and
then
look
at
it
last
year
and
I
want
to
qualify
the
400,
because
if
I
were
you
I'd
be
looking
at
400
increase
and
asking?
How
are
you
collecting
your
data
so
two
things
that
drove
that
one?
We
were
post
coveted
for
a
float
season
and
we
saw
a
tremendous
amount
of
increase
on
the
river.
Is
that
the
new
Norm?
We
don't
know
we
won't
know
until
this
year
to
compare
it
against
last.
G
The
other
thing
that
we
did
this
year
that
we
had
not
been
doing
in
the
past
is
when
we
responded
to
the
river
for
a
rescue.
The
crews
would
go
out,
affect
the
rescue
and
then,
while
on
the
river,
have
other
people
that
were
stranded
or
in
trouble
in
the
past.
We
were
never
documenting
those
contacts,
so
it
was
literally
one
one
call
for
about
four
hours
this
year.
G
We
actually
did
a
good
job
of
how
many
contacts
do
we
have
on
the
river
while
on
the
river
in
the
face
of
a
rescue
call,
and
then
we
stayed
on
the
river.
Quite
honestly,
because
people
continued
to
get
hung
up.
Broadway
Bridge
was
by
far
our
biggest
hang
up
as
far
as
the
floaters
go
and
really
our
crews
were
there
most
of
the
season
when
the
flows
were
high,
just
affecting
rescues
predominantly
at
the
Broadway
Bridge,
but
then
Upstream
as
well.
We
do
the
initial
River
sweep
that's
depending
on
the
flows.
G
We
work
hand
in
hand
with
city
and
county
parks
and
then
also
other
partners
to
to
know
when
we're
going
to
get
on
the
river
to
start
that
mitigation
effort.
The
reason
we
go
out
three
or
four
times
a
week
is
because,
as
the
flows
continue
to
change,
we
have
new
hazards
that
drop
into
the
river,
and
so
we're
really
out
there
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
clean
it
up
as
best
we
can
before
the
floaters
start
coming
down.
G
We
we
locate
the
permanent
hazards,
but
then
throughout
the
float
season,
especially
as
the
flows
are
higher,
we'll
be
on
the
river
again
three
times
a
week,
just
looking
at
the
new
hazards
that
are
dropping
into
the
river
and
making
sure
we're
cutting
those
out,
so
people
don't
get
hung
up
on
them.
The
thing
that
Doug
mentioned
that
we're
really
excited
about.
As
we
started
having
this
dialogue
about,
how
do
we
better
communicate?
How
do
we
better
prepare
the
community
as
they're
starting
to
float
the
river?
G
We
have
a
GIS
data,
Insight
analyst
and
she
is
not
for
hire
I
just
want
to
make
that
disclaimer
she's
just
brilliant
and
credit
to
us
assistant,
chief
Romeo
Gervais,
who
actually
came
up
with
this
idea
initially,
could
we
put
something
on
a
phone
in
an
app
type
environment
or
a
web-based
environment
that
people
can
get
information
in
real
time?
If
you
think
about,
as
you
travel
around
this
whole
location
services
idea,
they
know
where
you
are,
and
sometimes
we
don't
want
that,
but
sometimes
we
do
and
they
can
map
you
to
the
right
place.
G
Taking
that
mentality
can
we
apply
that
to
the
river
and
she
has
built
an
incredible
platform,
we're
now
collaborating
with
account
County
and
other
partners,
as
we
continue
to
build
this
out.
I
want
to
show
it
to
you
real
quick.
This
is
a
rough
high
level
idea.
This
has
been
built
out
so
far,
but
it's
going
to
be
further
built
out,
but
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side.
G
This
is
literally
the
phone
that
you're
looking
at
that's
going
to
have
these
four
main
categories
within
an
interactive
map,
a
guided
tour,
current
conditions
and
then
safety
checklist,
and
this
is
bringing
real-time
information
to
the
community
before
they
float.
They
can
do
this
ahead
of
time.
They
can
do
it
on
the
river.
We
might
find
a
few
more
iPhones
in
the
river
if
we
implement
this,
but
this
we
believe
is
innovative
I've
reached
out
to
Fire
Chiefs
in
communities
like
our
size
that
have
a
river
flowing
through
it,
and
nobody
is
doing
this.
G
So
this
is
literally
a
first
of
its
kind
that
we're
very
proud
of
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
really
good
benefit
to
the
community.
So
the
interactive
map
you
can
see
where
the
hazards
are
we're
going
to
be
plotting
those
in
real
time.
So
our
dive
team
members,
our
River
rescue
folks
as
they
go
out
and
they
identify
hazards
they'll,
be
updating
this
real
time.
So
you'll
have
real
time
and
information
on
hazards
and
those
that
we
cleaned
up.
You'll
have
takeout
points
drop
in
points
Etc.
G
Within
this
map,
you
go
to
the
guided
tour.
This
is
literally
where
the
location
services
happens,
so
as
you're
floating,
if
you're
technology
Savvy,
you
can
have
a
guided
tour
as
you're
floating
through,
and
you
can
see
what's
coming
up
with
instructions
on
how
to
navigate
it
and
again
that
Broadway
Bridge
is
the
biggest
challenge
we
had.
If
we
can
articulate
to
people
how
to
navigate
that
passageway
alone,
we're
going
to
have
less
rescues,
needed
moving
forward
the
river
condition
reports.
This
is
being
built
out,
but
this
will
just
talk
about
the
flows.
G
Some
of
the
safety
concerns
with
the
current
flows,
temperatures
Etc
and
then.
Lastly,
a
safety
checklist
and
the
nice
thing
that
they've
built
into
this
that
I,
like
is
before
you
can
even
get
to
this
there's
going
to
be
an
acknowledgment
that
you
have
to
say.
Yes,
I,
acknowledge
right.
You
see
that
all
the
time
with
different
apps
to
say
yes,
I,
acknowledge
the
dangers
I'm
about
to
face
before
you
get
to
have
all
these
cool
features
right
to
your
phone.
G
So
there
is
an
acknowledgment
of
what
they're
about
to
face
as
they
go
through.
I
said
I
want
to
be
efficient,
I
think
the
mayor's
called
me
the
fastest
talking
director
she
has
so
I
will
pass
this
over
to
Scott
Madame.
B
Mayor
I
do
have
a
question,
though
I'll
be
quick,
so
incredible,
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
an
wonderful
resource
for
not
only
citizens
who
live
here,
but
our
visitors
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
include
any
sort
of
Transportation
update.
You
know
like
how
how
best
to
get
to
the
river.
You
know
you
take
the
shuttle
or
how
many
parking
spaces
there
are
available,
just
like
we
have
at
the
airport
to
help
people
plan
so
that
we
can
reduce
congestion
and
some
of
that
overtime
in
the
neighborhoods.
Is
that
a
possibility.
G
B
Well,
we'll
need
to
work
with
our
partners
at
Ada
County
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that
will
help
people
plan
because
oftentimes
I
think
they
assume
that
when
they
go
that,
there's
going
to
know
it's
going
to
be
easy,
peasy
and
then
it's
not
and
then
the
Overflow
ends
up
in
the
neighborhoods
and
that's
distracting
for
the
neighborhood
and
it
costs
us
a
lot
of
money
because
of
the
police.
So
I
love
it.
If
we
could
work
together
on
the
transportation
piece.
H
I
I
Not
that
one,
the
one
on
the
far
left,
please
nope,
yes,
yep,
that's
the
one
all
right!
Thank
you
once
again,
I
just
want
to
express
my
appreciation
to
mattamere
and
the
city
council,
members
and
and
the
Board
of
Commissioners
and
and
my
colleague
here,
Doug
and
chief
Niemeyer
I,
think
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
talk
about
River
safety.
It's
a
it's
great
to
get
the
groups
together,
I
think
to
address
some
of
these
challenges
and
and
I'll
share
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
seeing
with
you
and
what
we're
committed
to
doing
again.
I
This
float
season.
It's
no
small
task
to
run
a
float
season
in
the
in
the
valley
these
days,
but
we'll
try
to
fly
through
a
few
slides
and
shed
some
light
on
things.
I
I
I
find
it
awesome
that
we
do
have
a
plan
on
the
books.
You
know
Boise
city
council
did
adopt
the
boys
resource
management
and
master
plan
in
2014.
It
does
set
the
tone
and
build
the
foundation
for
really
these
stocks
we're
having
here
today,
four
Key
Management
areas
were
addressed
in
that
plan.
I
We're
not
going
to
get
too
deep
into
those,
but
there's
Public
Safety
right
at
the
top
of
the
list
and
and
just
three
quotes
from
the
plan
that
really
tee
up
where
we
are
today:
cooperation
with
other
agencies
and
creating
Partnerships
our
overarching
strategies
that
apply
to
the
recommendations
in
each
of
those
four
Management
areas,
recreationists
and
other
River
Corridor
users
depend
on
signs
printed
materials
and
digital
information
for
directions,
rules
and
event,
information
and
then
third
and
lastly,
this
is
really
kind
of
a
you
know:
oracle
style
here,
but
BPR
needs
to,
and
BPR
and
BFD
need
to
employ
the
expertise
to
build
and
maintain
interactive
sites.
I
So
you
saw
from
Chief
Niemeyer
that
tremendous
app
or
you
know,
platform
that's
going
to
be
used
this
year
and
I
think
that's
really
addresses
it.
There
we're
already
doing
that.
Now
it's
going
to
be
great
to
use
this
year.
There
are
77
recommendations
in
that
plan.
This
is
one
of
them.
I,
think
we're
working
on
actively
together
as
a
partner
and
that
plan
really
kind
of
covers
10
miles
between
Eckert
Road
and
Glenwood
Bridge.
I
We,
as
you
all
know,
are
focused
on
this
segment
here.
This
is
six
miles,
so
you
know
I,
think
for
nine
and
a
half
months
of
the
year,
Barbara
Park
and
80
County,
Park
and
Ann
Morrison
park
for
nine
and
a
half
months
are
completely
disconnected
I
mean
we
don't
I,
don't
know.
What's
going
on
in
Morrison
park
for
nine
and
a
half
months,
he
doesn't
know
what's
happening
in
Barbara
Park
for
nine
and
a
half
months,
but
two
and
a
half
months
every
year
for
probably
the
last
50
years.
I
You
know
they're
connected
by
this
thread.
There's
a
six
mile
thread
between
those
two
and
that
six
miles
of
Boise
River
is
the
designated
novice
floater
segment.
That's
from
that
plan
that
was
approved
that
six
miles
includes
three
river-wide
diversions:
nine
Bridges,
including
four
Greenbelt,
specific
Bridges,
several
islands,
multiple
side
channels,
and
so
that's
a
lot
of
what
this
new
platformer
app
I
think
is
going
to
address,
is
how
do
you
navigate
those?
How
do
you
safely
navigate
those
between
that
thread?
I
That
ties
the
two
of
us
together
for
reference,
there's
Boise
City
Hall
in
Ada,
County
Courthouse.
You
know
we're
all
it's
all
in
our
backyard.
It's
all
stone's
throw,
but
this
is
a
you
know
in
terms
of
the
64
miles
of
the
Boise
River
from
Lucky
Peak
Dam
to
its
Confluence,
with
the
snake
near
Parma.
This
six
miles
of
Boise
River
absorbs
the
majority
of
recreation
during
the
summer
for
everybody
that
comes
to
the
community,
this
six
miles
is
really
Ground.
Zero.
I
If
you'll
indulge
a
little
bit
of
humor
real
briefly,
this
is
what
it
feels
like
when
the
float
season
opens.
You'll,
see
Doug
and
me
in
this
quick.
That's
behind
that
stug
on
the
left.
That's
me
on
the
right:
hi
I'm,
taller
yeah.
This
is
where
we
announced
the
float
season,
and
then
this
is
sort
of
the
next
two
and
a
half
months
of
our
lives
in
Barber,
Park
and
Ann
Morrison
Park.
I
Every
day
for
two
and
a
half
months
in
right
in
our
backyards
in
our
front
yards
where
we
operate
our
entire
staff
headquarters
from
so
on
that
upper
end,
that
that
end
of
the
thread
that
we're
responsible
for
Barbara
Park
attempts
to
do
a
lot
of
things
for
those
nine
and
a
half
months
and
does
a
lot
of
things
for
the
community
for
nine
and
a
half
months,
but
much
like
Chief
Niemeyer
indicated.
I
You
know
we
do
have
to
redeploy
our
staff
and
we
have
service
gaps
in
our
other
park
properties
that
we
then
pull
people
in
from
off-site
are
Lucky
Peak
team
from
we
have
100
doc
strings
at
Lucky,
Peak
that
we
manage
and
build
and
maintain.
We
pull
those
people
into
Barbara
Park.
Everybody
knows
we
kind
of
reset
our
priorities
for
those
two
and
a
half
months.
We
pull
people
off
the
11
miles
of
Greenbelt.
We
manage.
We
still
try
to
redeploy
seasonally,
but
we
know
that
we
kind
of
have
to
turn
our
attention
to
Barber.
I
There's
that
event
center.
We
actually
shut
down
the
event
center
for
weekend
bookings.
So
it's
a
significant
kind
of
financial
impact
to
our
Revenue,
because
we
can't
co-exist
with
an
event
center
on
weekend
days
in
Barber
Park,
with
the
float
season.
We
learned
that
back
in
2019,
that
was
the
first
year
we
started
to
not
host
weekend
events
any
longer
foreign
things
that
come
with
the
float
season.
I
There's
a
lot
of
line
management,
queue,
management,
crowd
management,
Vehicle,
Management,
contract
Management
in
Barber
Park,
just
some
photos
showing
a
lot
of
those
activities,
and
then
traffic
flow
and
parking
is
really
critical
and
and
to
Chief,
Niemeyer
and
Doug's
points
the
popularity
of
this
activity
to
shed
some
light
on
that
with
data
we
do
have
a
parking
kiosk.
Yes,
it
does
retain
some
Revenue,
however,
that
increase
in
Revenue
requires
cost
too.
But
let's
talk
real
briefly
about
that
increase,
so
the
daily
average
visitation.
I
That
starts
on
July
29th,
like
we
did
in
2017.,
but
we
have
a
five
year
sample
size
that
includes
a
2018
when
people
were
chomping
at
the
bit
that
didn't
float
in
2017
and
then
2019
was
you
know,
kind
of
a
normal
year,
2020
and
2021
covid,
influenced
years
that
we
did
actually
have
a
full-blown
season,
but
those
two
years
we
had
to
figure
out.
Is
it
the
new
normal?
I
Well
as
a
matter
of
fact,
in
2022
the
year
after
covid
all
those
people
that
visited
Boise
or
moved
to
Boise
and
stayed
that
increased
by
23
percent
after
that
covered
years,
so
the
number
of
daily
average
Vehicles,
which
is
a
count
that
we
collect
on
every
day
for
the
float
season
for
the
past
20
years
that
increased
51
over
the
last
five
years
and
23
in
just
that
year,
over
2021
to
2022..
So
we're
trying
to
absorb
this
massive
increase
in
in
visitation.
I
Imagine
a
school
or
movie
theater
Supermarket
with
that
increase
in
one
year
and
you'll
you'll
see
what
we're
experiencing
in
the
river
on
the
river.
In
both
parks
we
do
pay
for
traffic
parking
assistance
there.
Now
it's
pretty
significant
expense.
We
did
begin
that
in
2019
for
the
first
time
and
that's
consistent.
I
Every
weekend
we
hire
10
staff
seasonally
to
work
six
hours,
the
most
compressed
hours,
that
we
experience
the
highest
volume
of
visitors,
quick
picture
to
show
a
couple
of
pictures:
don't
focus
on
that
giant
and
the
size
of
that
giant,
Pegasus,
unicorn
necessarily,
but
on
the
right
you'll
see,
this
is
a
launch
site
at
Barber
Park.
Well,
one
thing
you'll
notice
is
just
about
every
piece
of
equipment
is
a
pool
toy
made
out
of
polyvinyl
car.
I
It's
PVC
not
suitable
for
a
river
environment,
essentially
not
suitable
for
a
moving
body
of
water,
let
alone
one
with
rocks,
sticks
branches,
but
that's
what
we
see
every
day
all
day,
also
you'd
be
really
hard-pressed
to
find
a
life
jacket
in
that
photo.
So
those
are
the
types
of
equipment
we
see
a
lot.
That's
part
of
the
benefit,
I!
I
Think
of
having
a
contractor
that
offers
a
more
suitable
material
with
hypalon,
you
know
nrcsm
or
avr-2
local
companies
from
Idaho
that
do
you
know,
build
boats
that
are
suitable
for
River
environments,
that's
the
rental
inventory
and
they
come
with
life,
jackets
and
paddles
and
things
so
at
least
offering
somebody
that
shows
up
from
Iowa.
You
know
that
says:
I'm
going
to
float
the
river
for
the
first
time,
I've,
never
been
in
a
moving
body
of
water.
I've
picked
up
my
box
from
Walgreens
on
the
way.
I
Over
and
I
have
this
double
tube
that
has
a
cooler
in
the
middle.
Maybe
they
can
second
guess
and
decide.
No
I
think
I'm
going
to
rent
something
it's
more
safe,
but
what
happens
with
those
pieces
of
equipment?
Is
we
pick
them
up?
They're
pretty
commonly
deflating
in
the
river,
and
part
of
that
is
failure
due
to
the
seams
busting
they're,
not
seams,
that
are
suitable
for,
like
a
high
high
pressure,
air
compressor,
their
seams
that
are
not
suitable
for
a
river
environment.
They
really
don't
work,
they
puncture
all
the
time.
I
I
I,
like
I,
mentioned
I
redeploy
my
crew
from
our
waterways.
Division
and
myself,
and
we
we
do
it
every
couple
weeks-
we'll
go
and
pick
up
trash
out
of
the
river,
and
most
of
that
is
it's
not
all
white
clock
cans,
but
there's
a
lot
of
cans
and
bottles.
You
get
that
you
get
the
sense
for
what's
the
drink
of
the
season
and
then
you
also
pull
a
lot
of
rafts
since
you've
done
on
the
river.
I
We
do
monitor
with
our
24
camera
NVR
system
we've
had
in
the
park
for
about
20
years,
so
we
are
monitoring
flow
and
traffic
and
volume.
Throughout
the
course
of
any
single
day.
Nine
cameras
are
dedicated
just
to
float
season
operations.
You
can
enlarge
any
of
those
and
watch
it
live
watch
it
back.
If
there's
incidences
of
you
know
graffiti
or
fights
or
you
know
any
of
those
things,
and
and
again
we
too
have
these
kind
of
crazy
expenses.
You
know
anymore.
This
is
just
the
basic
float
season
expenses.
I
We
do
have
a
lot
of
soft
costs,
but
for
temporary
staffing
we
spend
about
125
000
annually.
That
includes
our
long-term
seasonal
staff.
One
person
for
32
weeks
we
get
them
started
really
early.
It's
the
longest.
We
can
hire
a
seasonal
staff.
Legally
is
eight
months,
so
we
have
one
person
that
we
hire
for
that.
These
are
loaded
rates
too.
We
have
four
people
that
we
hire
for
14
weeks,
really
that's
our
summer
maintenance
staff.
They
start
mid-june
and
in
mid-september
that's
43,
000
kiosk
cashiers.
I
We
hire
three
of
those
for
23
655
and
then
weekend
traffic
and
parking,
that's
a
pretty
significant
expense
for
those
six
hours,
ten
people
for
12
weekends
and
holidays
uniforms
and
supplies.
We
just
want
people
to
see
us
so
high
Vis
uniforms
and
supplies
for
the
people
that
work
in
the
park.
So
they
can
see
us
and
find
us
janitorial.
You
know,
Doug
knows
toilet
paper
hand,
soap,
paper,
towels,
garbage
bags,
batteries
cleanings
all
that
stuff.
You
know
it's
it's
a
lot
more
or
high
volume.
I
We
also
open
a
secondary
set
of
restrooms
during
the
seasons
that
adapt
to
the
volume
and
then
Park
repair,
there's
always
damage.
Somebody
always
breaks
something
rips
a
sink
off
the
wall
or
you
know,
rips
a
soap
dispenser
off
the
wall
or
does
Donuts
in
the
parking
field,
and
you
know
we
have
some
expenses
related
to
that
and
then
the
Event
Center.
I
What
we're
trying
to
do
for
Barbara
Park?
Is
this
we're
trying?
If
you
look
and
see
this
time
lapse
photo?
This
was
for
imagery.
This
is
from
August
20th
of
last
year,
not
a
busy
day
but
you'll
see
over
the
course
of
this
about
minute
and
a
half
the
flow
of
floaters
on
the
right,
you'll
see
as
the
day
begins
and
there's
more
floaters
and
more
floaters
and
the
way
the
parking
field
is
being
parked
in
the
upper
left-hand
side.
The
Dropbox
Circle
in
your
foreground.
I
Our
office
is
located
right
in
the
center
there.
You
can
see
the
Event
Center
towards
the
top
of
the
screen.
Our
job
every
summer
is
to
efficiently
manage
Barbara
Park
to
get
people
in
and
out
safely
efficiently
quickly,
so
that
we
don't
retain
people
longer
than
they
need
to
be
retained
and
create
peripheral
sort
of
collateral
damage
in
the
neighborhood.
So
to
speak,
you
know
by
absorbing
as
much
as
we
can
as
efficiently
as
possible.
I
I
On
this
particular
day,
we
didn't
have
to
do
any
temporary
closures
or
anything
along
those
lines,
but
we
do
Park
that
full
field
you'll
see
some
as
this
progresses.
Some
at
the
front.
The
vehicles
will
start
to
vacate
as
the
shuttle
buses
come
in
and
drop
off
the
drivers
for
those
vehicles
and
then
we'll
re-park,
those
you
can
see
if
you
really
have
an
Eagle,
Eye
you'll
you'll
see
the
bright
shirts
from
our
staff
and
math
Event
Services,
but
yep-
and
this
is
a
sorry,
madam
mayor.
So
this
is
the
final
part
of
that.
I
The
things
we'll
be
collaborating
on
and
have
been
collaborating
on,
we'll
continue
to
support
development
promotion
of
Boise
Fire's
interactive
tool,
we'll
participate
as
we
always
do
in
pre-season,
hazardous
debris,
meeting
and
Recon
we'll
coordinate
the
opening
date
announcement.
Just
point
of
note:
June
20th
is
sort
of
a
Target
now
and
I.
Think
we'll
talk
about
that
more.
We
typically
don't
share
and
talk
about
that
specific
date.
I
That's
the
day
after
Juneteenth,
it's
another
holiday,
that's
recognized
now
in
the
community
river
flows
will
determine
that,
but
that
allows
us
to
all
have
kind
of
a
clear,
clean,
Target.
The
average
opening
date
for
the
past
20
years
is
June
21st.
So
it's
right.
On
that
average
we
happy
to
host
an
opening
day
media
event
with
Ada
County
and
Boise
City
leadership
in
Barbara
Park.
We
intend
to
have
you
know,
ongoing
weekly
at
minimum
communication
with
key
interagency
personnel.
I
Throughout
the
season
we
did
install
life
jacket,
loaner
stations
in
Barbara
Park
as
an
additional
benefit
for
those
that
may
not
have
them
ongoing.
River
trash
removal
like
we
do
ongoing
efficiency
for
crowd
traffic
line
management
like
we
do
in
park
safety.
We
will
have
a
last
resort,
hand-operated,
Barrel
pumps
and
other
outlets
for
those
that
do
not
have
a
a
pump.
I
I
We
we
also
talked
about
additional
safety
and
garbage
signage
with
QR
codes
and
consistency
with
Boise
city
parks,
Outreach.
Whatever
you
guys
would
like
to
post
we're
happy
to
post
in
Ada,
County's
Barbara,
Park
we'd
love
to
support
ache
efforts
to
your
point,
council
member.
Well
it's
to
to
regarding
Ecker
Bridge
safety,
signage,
exterior
traffic
parking,
we're
happy
to
support
and
collaborate
with
achd
undertakes
with
that.
I
We
do
and
happy
to
continue
to
post
on
that,
we'll
we'll
use
that
float
the
boys
River
Facebook
page
again
to
supplement
and
communicate,
but
again
we'll
be
taking
the
the
kind
of
cues
from
Boise
City
this
year
we
consistently
have
posted
videos
that
get
really
good
reactions
from
Boise
fire
and
Boise
Police
and
things
about
River,
jumping
and
don't
jump
on
people
and
trees
falling
in
and
things
like
that.
So
and
Doug
mentioned.
That's
all
those
things
yep
10
minutes.
J
It
was
good
to
finally
be
in
the
room
of
Mr
Coburg.
We've
talked
a
lot
on
Zoom
I
think
during
covet
about
this
and
in
this
I
guess
in
the
spirit
of
trying
to
move
it
along
matter.
Mayor
I
was
thinking
about
this
meeting
and
the
conversation
we're
going
to
have,
and
rather
than
float
some
suggestions
and
see
how
you
think,
I'm
just
going
to
make
the
suggestions
and
see
what
you
think
what
I
heard
today
was.
J
The
use
of
the
river
has
changed
since
covet
The
Five-Year
data
period
that
you
have
indicates
a
lot
more
people,
a
lot
more
trash,
a
lot
more
cars
and
what
I
heard
from
you
was
a
lot
more
expense
being
present
on
the
river
taking
care
of
things.
So
the
first
sort
of
suggestion,
I
had
to
kick
things
off
is
as
we're.
Both
both
entities
are
managing
the
river
at
a
busier
and
busier
time
we
might
talk
about
a
joint
funding
model.
J
I
think
both
sides
have
some
complaints,
there's
sinks
being
ripped
off
or
there's
added
enforcement
issues.
We
might
just
talk
about
a
way
to
jointly
fund
the
mitigation
efforts
that
come
with
the
wonderful
amenities
of
the
river
and
then
the
second
suggestion
I
had
or
something
worth
thinking
about
is.
J
We
have
really
similar
sets
of
issues
in
the
Foothills
with
you
know:
heavy
use,
lots
of
people
managing
things
like
trash
or
protecting
the
trails,
and
we
have
a
Consortium
of
dedicated
volunteers
and
park
staff
in
the
Richter
Rivers
program
that
helps
a
lot
to
keep
that
running.
Well
and
so
I
wonder
if
I
don't
know
a
barber
Morrison
program
like
Ridge
to
rivers,
or
you
know
the
sweet
six
miles
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
it.
J
C
Appreciate
the
suggestion,
I
think
there's
some
really
good
ideas.
There
I
think
the
other
issue
too,
to
be
working
jointly,
is
what's
being
floated
down
the
river
every
single
time,
I
I
ride
home.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it
looks
like
a
group
of
unicorns
have
been
murdered
at
the
takeout
and
it's
it's
crazy.
C
What
people
float
down
and
Parks
has
done
such
a
great
job
at
now,
putting
like
a
full-size
trailer
that
can
be
hooked
up
and
pulled
away,
and
it's
still
overflowing
every
single
weekend
and
so
I
guess
that's
where
I
would
like
to
see.
The
other
joint
effort
is
how
we're
really
communicating
what's
allowed
to
be
on
the
river
or
not
allowed
to
be
on
the
river
and
I.
D
Metamere,
thank
you.
Everyone
I,
like
council
member
of
agent,
have
been
involved
in
this
for
a
very
long
time.
So
it's
nice
to
see
that
there's
been
so
much
progress
made.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned,
Chief
Niemeyer,
were
the
Broadway
Bridge
pilings
and
how
those
are
such
a
hazard
I
know
the
Broadway
Bridge
is
new
ish.
D
Do
you
think
that
there
are
any
engineering
opportunities
to
maybe
I
don't
know,
do
something
to
the
base
of
the
pilings
to
make
them
a
little
bit
safer?
Is
there
a
potential
collaboration
there
with
like
achd
or
I,
think
it
might
be
Idaho
Transportation,
Department.
G
Just
president
weddings,
we
we
have
had
some
initial
conversations
with
IDT,
even
if
it's
building
right
now
those
pylons
are
are
round.
If
there's
a
diversion
there
that
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
too
and
as
both
Doug
and
Scott
know
every
year
that
channel
changes
just
a
little
bit
depending
on
the
flow
so
one
year
it
might
be
to
the
left
one
year.
It
might
be
to
the
right
that
we're
having
challenges,
but
we
have
had
some
initial
conversations
with
itd
just
about
those
pilings
pylons
specifically,
and
can
something
be
done
there
great.
D
That's
awesome
and
my
next
question:
Scott,
you
went
over
what
the
expenses
are
at
the
park
and
kind
of
the
associated
expenses
with
the
floating
season.
What
is
your
average
annual
revenue
from
parking
and
how
do
those
compare.
I
Yeah
so
council,
member
or
council
president,
yes,
so
the
the
parking
that
parking
fees
we
collect
is
essentially
almost
almost
the
exact
same
as
what
all
those
basic
costs
that
I
mentioned
are
so
parking
is
just
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars:
seven
dollars
per
vehicle.
Last
year
it
was
just
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
total
of
those
costs
that
I
show
on
that
basic
expense
sheet
was
I,
think
it
was
190
or
something
190
000,
with
the
contract
that
we
have
with
the
vendor.
I
I
don't
have
the
number
offhand
it's
a
contract
that
is
retained,
the
same
it.
Basically,
a
vendor
service
contract
usage
of
the
facility
and
three
installments,
plus
a
a
revenue
Target.
We
retain
20
percent
of
anything
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It's
made
over
the
course
of
a
season
plus
three
installments
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
So
at
a
base
it
would
be
seventy
five
thousand
dollars.
I,
don't
have
last
year's
Revenue
figures.
I
For
that,
unfortunately,
and
and
I
will
note,
the
department
of
parks
and
waterways
is
funded,
not
via
100
general
fund
dollars.
So
a
significant
portion
of
what
my
department
does
spend
in
the
community,
like
for
a
green
belt
repair
project,
for
instance,
does
come
from
outside
Revenue,
utilizing,
basically
leveraging
taxpayer
dollars
with
some
general
fund
dollars,
bringing
in
revenues
and
putting
those
back
in
the
local
community
and
so
in
any
given
Year.
My
my
budget
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
may
include
up
to
35
percent
of
our
entire
budget.
I
I
D
E
I
think
this
is
a
great
time
for
us
all
to
get
together,
I'd
like
to
first
find
out
how
many,
how
many
people
have
actually
floated
the
river
in
the
last
two
years.
E
Some
haven't
some
haven't
I
think
that
we
should
all
at
least
check
out
the
the
improved
amenities
at
Barber.
Park
we've
improved
that
Park
significantly
over
the
last
two
years.
The
entrances
to
the
to
the
river
has
been
really
improved.
We've
changed
the
parking
area,
the
the
sidewalks.
We
even
put
a
new
a
new
fishing
Pier
out.
There
we've
improved
it
a
lot,
so
I'd
recommend
that
we
all
at
least
spend
a
little
bit.
E
E
We've
got
the
start
going
for
a
good,
a
good
collaboration
to
to
improve
for
the
whole
Community
I,
don't
know
if
you
notice,
but
the
thing
that
struck
me
on
the
on
the
map
on
the
map
was
when
you're
floating
the
Boise
River
you're,
going
through
an
urban
area,
but
you
don't
know
it
when
you're
floating
the
river
it's
like
you're
in
in
the
wilderness.
E
You
can
see
the
mountains
and
so
forth,
but
you
can't
see
a
lot
of
that
a
lot
of
the
housing,
but
you
can
some
of
it,
but
it
it
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
attraction
of
the
Boise
River
is
with
foot
through
an
urban
area,
but
you
don't
know
you're
flowing
through
an
urban
area.
It
looks
like
you're
floating
in
some
of
the
Wilderness.
It's
it's
a
wonderful
amenity
and
I
think
we
could
do
whatever
we
can
to
enhance
it.
A
I
was
gonna
see
if
the
council
member
wanted
to
pick
back
up
his
questions
of
Council
on
the
commission
related
to
the
two
proposals
you
had
yeah.
A
Steve
seated
five
minutes
of
his
time,
so
he
gets
10
minutes
and
we
can
add
five
minutes
to
this.
If
we
need
to
so
we
can
go
until
50.
J
Fair
enough,
if
the
council
is
open
to
it
and
the
Commissioners
are
open
to
it,
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
do
would
be
provide
direction
to
our
staff
to
look
hard
at
the
cost
associated
with
what
we're
doing
both
fire
police
enforcement
costs,
because
there
really
have
been
some
pretty
significant
burdens
to
us
frankly,
both
in
policing.
What
I
would
call
Poor
behavior
in
the
neighborhoods
around
Barbara
Park,
which
is
a
set
of
big
logistical
challenges,
because
it's
actually
very
far
from
the
rest
of
our
city.
J
So
we
take
officers
out
there.
It
creates
it
creates
real
issues
and
I
know
from
conversations
with
Scott
a
couple
years
ago
and
and
what
he
presented
today,
that
there
are
costs
and
burdens
on
the
county
as
well.
And
so
I
would
like
to
direct
our
staff
to
work
together
to
get
clear
on
the
current
costs.
J
Like
two
government
entities
trying
to
cover
costs
and
not
working
together,
it
will
be
inefficient
and
so
I'd
like
to
tie
that
together
both
for
fiscal
management
reasons
and
to
make
sure
that
everybody
feels
that
they're
contributing
fairly
to
the
downside.
And
then
I
really
do
I'm
really
intrigued
by
this
by
Rich.
The
rivers
type
idea
for
getting
the
community
involved,
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
Doug,
who
certainly
knows
a
lot
more
about
that
than
I
do
and
from
anybody
at
the
county.
Who
may
have
a
perspective
on
whether
that
would
work.
E
If
I
could
enter
it,
I
think
we
have
a
good
working
group
already
of
our
staff
and
and
I
think
we
could.
We
can
encourage
our
our
staffs
to
Collective
staff
to
work
together
to
do
at
least
make
some
proposals
to
the
various
governing
bodies.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do
because
we
do
have
we
do
we've
been
meeting
together
and
I
think
we
can
continue
that.
D
Mean
I
love
that
idea,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why,
as
commissioner
Beck
said,
the
Boise
River
feels
like
you're
in
the
wilderness
as
you're,
going
through
the
middle
of
a
city,
is
because
of
organizations
like
Idaho
rivers,
United,
who
have
worked
tirelessly
over
decades
to
make
it
that
way.
D
Instead
of
having
it
be
an
urban
River
that
is
concrete
on
the
sides
and
becomes
more
like
a
channel
like
we
see
in
a
lot
of
other
cities
right
so
I
think
that
that
collaboration
model
could
work
really
well,
because
I
know
that
we
have
Community
organizations
who
are
already
heavily
invested
in
keeping
our
River
as
wild
as
they
can
be
and
still
be,
an
urban
river
which
creates
hazards
for
floaters,
which
creates
you
know,
needs
for
Rescue.
D
K
It's
not
America
yeah,
I,
well,
I
I
feel
like
our
River
in
the
float
is
such
an
incredible
amenity
for
the
community
and
it's
only
getting
more
popular,
so
I
certainly
think
it's
worthy
of
more
investment
to
plan
for
the
future
and
keep
it
operating
is
such
a
great
amenity.
You
know
I
have
dreams
where
somewhere,
maybe
in
the
far
future,
the
recreation
is
extended.
All
the
way
to
the
Expo
Idaho
to
you
know
join
up
with
our
new
park
that
we're
installing
down
there.
K
But
I
am
you
know,
certainly
interested
in
hearing
about
collaborative
opportunities
with
the
city
of
Boise
and
working
towards
more
comprehensive
management,
so
that
we
can
continually
improve
and
obviously
safety
is
a
big
concern
and
we
we
got
to
keep
our
eye
on
that,
especially
with
the
you
know.
There's
a
recent
injury
with
somebody
jumping
off
the
bridge,
that's
been
in
the
newspaper,
and
we
want
to
prevent
things
like
that,
but
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
explore
tapping
the
community
volunteers.
I
think
there'd
probably
be
no
shortage
of
people.
F
They
do
have
a
similar
collaboration
in
place,
and
that
was
the
first
light
that
came
off
of
us
with
us
is
that
this
is
similar
to
what
we
do
with
rigida
rivers,
and
so
the
Consortium
is
successful
and
it
isn't
just
Ada
County
in
city
of
Boise.
This
would
include
other
stakeholders
within
the
river
Corridor.
That
would
be
part
of
that
Consortium.
So
we're
happy
to
take
the
lead
with
Ada
County
in
looking
at
how
that
model
would
apply
to
the
Boise
River
per
any
direction
from
umata
mayor
Commissioners
and
council
members.
A
A
Consensus
that
both
County
and
City
staff
ought
to
work
together
to
come
up
with
some
proposals
for
us,
as
decision
makers
to
weigh
regarding
a
joint
funding
model
appreciate
that
suggestion
and
also
interest
in
seeing
whether
or
not
or
how
a
ridge,
Rivers
model
would
be
feasible
in
terms
of
managing
this
really
special
Corridor,
interesting
idea
to
have
it
go
all
the
way
down
to
Expo
Idaho
I'm,
not
familiar
with
that
part
of
the
river,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
even
possible
to
be
honest
with
the
dams
and
stuff
that
are
there,
but
you
know
I
mean
one
thing
is
certain:
is
that
Boise
ends?
A
You
know
I
think
you
said
46
States
visited,
but
boy
scans
love
this.
It's
been
something
you
know.
Maybe
it
has
been
50
years,
it's
hard
to
imagine
that
for
the
25
years
that
I've
been
floating
the
river,
you
know
it's
gotten
busier
and
busier,
but
it's
both
the
experience
as
you
reference
of
just
feeling,
as
if
you've
removed
yourself
from
the
the
busy
of
a
city,
but
I
think
think
that
concentrated
time
that
we
end
up
getting
with
family
and
loved
ones.
A
In
a
very
removed
way,
I'm
so
close
to
home
that
keeps
bringing
people
back
at
least
that's
what
I
hear
from
residents.
That's
why
my
family
loves
spending
time
on
the
water,
but
there
are
real
costs
and
that,
in
order
for
us,
I
think
to
be
able
to
continue
to
make
this
possible
for
families
today
and
families
tomorrow,
coming
to
terms
with
and
understanding
the
public
safety
costs,
the
cleanup
costs.
A
The
management
cost
is
key,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
this
is
either
paying
for
itself
to
both
entities
to
save
taxpayers
dollars
or
that
we're
clear,
really
clear
on
the
cost
and
making
that
decision
and
that
it's
something
that
taxpayers
ought
to
foot
for
everybody
else.
So
I'm
having
this
information
I
believe
will
help
us
manage
and
improve
the
experience
and
for
so
many
folks
that
love
to
jump
on
that
Cool
River
and
float
down
on
the
hot
hot
days
of
summer.
A
So
thank
you
and
thanks
for
your
extra
time
appreciate
it
all
right.
So
now
we're
hearing
from
you
right,
Steve
yep,
do
you
want
to
say
anything
to
cheetah.
L
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
I'd
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
you
and
the
Commissioners
council
members
Commissioners
mayor
for
the
work
you've
all
done
with
emergency
rental
assistance
and
emergency
rental
assistance
too,
with
our
partner
in
the
back
there,
Deanna
Watson
and
your
fine
staff.
You've
done
amazing
things
with
the
money
that
the
federal
government
sent
us
so
and
that
that
work
continues.
L
This
is
a
part
and
parcel
of
of
that
in
terms
of
table
setting
I'm
here
to
talk
about
emergency
rental
assistance
too,
and,
as
you
likely
know,
emergency
rental
assistance
to
the
program
allows
us
to
reserve
our
last
25
percent
of
those
funds
for,
among
other
things,
other
affordable
rental
housing
and
just
to
kind
of
quantify
that,
for
you,
Ada
County
received
9.6
plus
10
from
the
Idaho
Housing
and
finance,
which
puts
our
25
at
4.9.
L
The
city,
as
you
know,
received
8.7
in
Era,
two
funds
and
again
10
million
from
Idaho,
Housing
and
finance.
So
that
puts
your
your
25
at
4.6.
So
what
can
we
use?
Those
funds
for
the
board
asked
me
this
question
and
I
told
them
this
information
you
can
construct
or
rehabilitate
or
preserve,
affordable
housing.
It's
got
to
serve
very
low
income
families.
L
Similarly,
you
can,
you
can
use
those
funds
to
operate
the
the
affordable
rental
housing
for
very
low
income,
families
that
you
have
purchased
renovated
saved
using
those
funds,
foreign
families.
This
is
a
substantial
need
in
in
the
Ada
County
area,
it's
50
of
area,
median
income.
So
it's
really
those
those
hard
to
get
to
folks
I
put
here
the
the
annual
income
limits
for
single
two-person
families
and
four-person
families.
L
L
You
can
use
funds
like
low-income
tax,
housing,
tax
credits,
the
other
one
that
I'm
thinking
of
now
is
the
home
investment
partnership
and
there's
there's
others
that
probably
Maureen,
Baker
or
Marine
Brewer
could
explain
to
me
this
isn't
my
native
tongue
by
the
way
housing.
So
those
are
the
program
guidelines
you
can
use
it
for
affordable
rental.
M
L
It's
got
to
be
for
for
a
very
low
income.
There
are
deadlines
we
have
to
have
it
committed,
you
know,
presumably
by
contract
or
obligated
by
September
of
25
and
then
within
120
days
or
January
of
26th.
You
have
to
have
that
that
money
expended
so
the
timelines
kind
of
Fairly
truncated,
so
the
pitch
is
Ada.
County
would
really
appreciate
the
city
doing
the
same.
L
The
Commissioners
have
kind
of
spoke
unequivocally
that
they
want
to
reserve
that
last
25
percent
and
use
that
that
funding
to
to
do
something
lasting
in
our
community
and
again
at
the
very
low
income
level.
It's
a
need,
certainly
a
need,
and
it
would
dovetail
nicely
with
the
efforts
you
all
are
making
in
the
affordable
housing
space.
L
So
initially
we
were
having
some
conversations
about
some
recovery
housing
in
the
alumbaugh
area
to
put
up
a
significant
sized
building
that
that
property
probably
deserves,
because
it's
almost
an
acre.
It's
a
pretty
tough
turn
with
the
timelines,
but
we're
not
going
to
give
up
on
the
recovery,
housing,
I
think
that'll
be
a
an
element.
L
We
continue
to
discuss
whether
that
is
a
single
side
or
maybe
scattered
site
small,
maybe
maybe
it's
a
duplex
or
maybe
it's
fourplex,
and
we
that's
in
some
proximity
to
halumbaugh
and
and
the
Housing
Authority
earmarks
those
for
folks
who
are
coming
out
of
album
and
need
some
assistance
with
housing.
Maybe
with
a
voucher,
we've
talked
about
constructing
just
right
up
the
gut,
affordable
housing,
rental
housing
for
very
low
income,
family
housing,
which
would
be
again
low
income,
tax
credits
or
something
like
that
or
purchasing
and
rehabilitating
affordable
housing.
L
So
what's
next
for
us
again
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
for
partners.
We'd
love
to
have
you
join
us.
Your
4.6
million
would
would
be
a
substantial
assistance
and
I
would
love
to
work
with
your
staff.
They
are
exceptional
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
learn
about
recovery
housing.
We
have
more
questions
than
answers
about
how
it
works
and
the
different
models
that
are
out
there
and
we
plan
to
talk
to
other
agencies
and
organizations
that
that
may
have
an
interest
in
this
space.
So
with
that
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
But
I
likely
will
in
coming
days
because
I'm
able
to
kind
of
do
on
this
a
little
bit
just
fantastic,
though
that
you're
thinking
about
recovery
housing,
that's
one
of
the
things
we
hear
a
lot
from
many
of
our
Community
Partners
is
that
once
somebody
goes
into
alamba
house,
they've
recovered
from
whatever
addiction
issues
they're
having
they're
then
released
back
into
you
know
temporary
shelter
and
they
relapse,
and
so
that's
a
really
great
way
to
help
people
have
lasting
recovery
as
they
look
for
more
permanent
housing
and
really
Forward
Thinking.
So
thank
you.
L
Madam
mayor,
quick,
quick
response:
if
I
could
sorry
go
ahead
and
run
back
very
important,
I
agree
and
Heidi
Hart
and
Deanna
Watson
and
Maureen
and
I've
been.
You
know,
tumbling
this
idea
for
probably
six
or
eight
months
and
and
there's
it's
it's
a
little
unwieldy
because
there
it
could
mean
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
so
we
hope
that
that
kind
of
big
Bill
building
on
site
there
at
allenbach
or
number
of
smaller
buildings
can
be
done.
L
L
E
Might
add,
council
president,
that
this
is
that's
what
our
initial
thoughts
were.
We
could
do
some
sort
of
a
building
there,
particularly
if
we
get
the
city
joined
with
us,
but
the
time
frames
just
don't
work
because
it's
going
to
take
longer
we'll
have
to
get
a
conditional
use,
permit
and
all
kinds
of
things
to
change
the
use
of
that
of
that
property,
and
so
we've
moved
on
to
something
else.
But
but
our
idea
is
we're
going
to
get
a
little
under
5
million
dollars.
A
I've
got
so
just
a
clarifying
question,
because
the
chairman
of
the
commission
and
I've
had
these
conversations.
It
sounds.
Did
I
hear
correctly,
though,
that
the
interest
in
in
detox
recovery,
housing
that
you
have
doesn't
fit
from
a
timeline
perspective
with
the
use
of
the
e-wrap
funds.
However,
you'd
still
like
to
look
at
ways
to
ensure
that
we
provide
that
meet
that
service
need
to
the
community
in
the
long
run.
Yes,.
E
A
Right,
you
know
one
thing
that
I've
said
to
the
chairman,
so
I'll
say
just
to
everybody
here:
is
that
we're
really
interested
in
figuring
out
how
we
partner
to
meet
Community
need
and
how
we
pool
resources
or
use
resources
in
different
ways
based
on
you
know
our
our
own
responsibilities,
or
you
know
governments,
but
in
this
instance
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
asked
the
chairman
was:
does
it
matter
if
it's
e-wrap
money
I
mean
you'll,
hear
from
our
staff
very
soon,
our
our
own
housing
strategies
and
the
amount
of
money
that
this
this
Council
has
been
willing
to
set
aside
to
fund
housing,
Partnerships
or
to
fund
housing
for
boiseans
super
low
income
levels
and
others,
and
seeking
partnership
to
do
the
work
together.
A
So
you
know
I,
look
at
this
erap
money
unless
we're
going
to
lose
some
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
careful
not
to
create
a
cliff
or
a
larger
need
sooner
and
then
we'll
come
otherwise,
as
we
seek
to
kind
of
prepare
for
that
Cliff.
But
this
Council
has
set
aside
millions
of
dollars
reflecting
their
priority
to
build
those
Partnerships
and
meet
others.
Investments
in
you
know
meeting
some
of
the
needs
that
you're
proposing
here
good,
so.
A
E
A
Think
that's
a
great
way
to
Source
funds
for
this
for
the
county,
if,
if
that's
as
you've,
looked
at
your
budget,
that
that's
a
feasibility,
any
other
comments,
I
think
that
some
of
what
the
our
staff
will
share
will
kind
of
dovetail
really
well
into
this
request
that
we
partner
but
council
member
of
agent.
J
Yeah
and
just
to
and
to
add
to
what
you
said,
which
I
think
really
does
reflect
the
sentiments
of
the
council
I
think
the
council.
Certainly
myself
would
also
agree
that
addiction
recovery
is
a
pressing
and
serious
need
in
our
community,
and
it's
one
that
we
don't
focus
on
or
talk
about
as
much
in
that
you
know
we
talk
about
the
housing
conversation
and
addiction
and
addiction.
J
Recovery
is
a
really
big
part
of
that,
and
so
just
to
underscore
what
the
mayor
said
yeah
we
that
this
council
member
takes
that
seriously
as
it
needs
and
I
think
the
rest
of
us
probably
do
as
well.
E
Well,
I
might
add.
That
is
a
a
for
some
reason.
During
coven,
the
the
amount
of
homeless
people
going
into
Alabama
house
actually
went
down
a
little
bit.
It
was
about
half
of
the
population
was
homeless
prior
to
coven,
went
down
to
about
39
during
the
covet
thing,
and
we
don't
know
why.
But
but
that's
is
what
happened
and
the
homeless
people
would
go
in
there.
They
end
up
because
they
must
stay.
E
That
would
be
a
large
benefit
to
the
community,
I
think
and
and
you're
right,
and
that
is
a
real
problem
and
by
the
way
in
that
regard,
we
had
a
Drug
Court
graduation
last
night,
and
it
was
if
you've
never
been
to
one
of
those
I'd
I'd
invite
you
to
to
come.
To
that
I
mean
it
is
really
a
we
had
15
people
graduated
and
that
they,
our
our
hearing
room,
was
cram,
packed
full
of
people.
E
All
those
people
had
that
largest
support
group
cram,
packed
full
of
people,
and
we
heard
some
really
heartwarming
stories
of
people
that
were
in
fact
on
the
final
graduation.
They
show
their
picture
when
they
were
arrested,
and
then
they
show
the
picture
now
and
there's
a
huge
difference.
We're
changing
lives
with
that
drug
court
and
we
could
do
the
same
thing
with
the
transition
Center.
K
Just
add,
you
know:
I'm
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
incarceration
as
a
solution
to
you
know,
drug
addiction,
problems
or
mental
health,
or
you
know
our
Ada
County
Jail.
The
vast
majority
of
people
are
in
there
have
mental
health
or
drug
addiction
problems,
so
I
I'm,
supportive
of
you
know,
working
together
to
find
Solutions
on
the
treatment
level
for
the
drug
addiction
problems.
We
have
in
the
valley
we're
expanding
our
drug
court
program.
K
We
purchased
new
building
on
Elder
Street
to
move
the
program
out
there
and
expand
that
we've
also
invested
some
additional
money
in
Terry
Riley
for
mental
health
and
so
I
think
you
know
the
Mantra
that
we
all
have
is
hey.
We
don't
want
to
turn
into
Seattle
or
Portland,
and
that's
generally,
with
regards
to
the
homeless
problem.
Homeless.
Problem
is
mental
illness,
drug
addiction
and
I.
D
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
I
think
what
was
the
kind
of
purpose
of
Steve's
presentation,
so
you're
saying
you
have
some
ear
up
dollars
that
you
would
like
to
deploy
for
very
affordable
housing
for
families,
which
is
such
a
huge
piece
of
our
strategy
too.
It
feels
like
and
I'm
sure
that
you've
been
working
really
collaboratively
collaboratively
with
our
staff
on
this.
D
It's
such
a
focus
of
ours
that
it
seems
like
there's
some
really
great
opportunities
likely
that
we've
been
working
on
that
we
would
love
your
partnership
with
and
Nikki
is
sitting
here
in
front
of
us
and
I
appreciate
your
comments,
commissioner
Davidson
but
I'm
going
to
change
that
narrative
a
little
bit
because
we
know
through
a
lot
of
research
that
homelessness
and
the
increase
in
homelessness
is
really
an
issue
of
housing.
Availability.
D
There's
not
a
lot
of
correlation
with
mental
health
with
addiction,
but
there
is
correlation
with
of
housing
availability
and
the
amount
of
inventory
that
we
have
for
available
housing.
So
a
lot
of
our
strategy
has
been
increased
housing
stock.
For
that
reason,
so
I'll
stop
talking.
But
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
I
know
that
Nikki
is
really
familiar
with
that
too.
So
thank
you.
M
M
I
promise
this
won't
take
as
long
as
it
looks
like
it
will,
but
just
wanted
a
road
map
for
where
we're
going,
quick
overview
of
the
spectrum
of
housing
need
and
the
city
strategy
for
housing
investment,
as
well
as
the
city's
goals,
and
then
a
status
update
on
where
we
are
in
terms
of
the
production
of
new
units
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
specifically,
and
just
some
quick
next
steps.
M
So
this
graphic
shows
a
spectrum
of
housing
needs
in
our
community,
broken
up
into
segments
that
represent
various
ranges
of
area
median
income,
so
on
the
far
left,
you've
got
zero
to
thirty
percent
of
the
area,
median
income
30
to
60,
60
to
80
and
so
on.
It
is
inclusive
of
all
housing
types,
everything
from
emergency,
shelter
to
affordable
rental,
to
market
rate
high-end
homes.
M
It
is
inclusive
of
rental
housing
and
Home
Ownership
options
and
for
households
who
are
above
the
area
median
income
over
on
the
kind
of
dark
blue
segment
of
the
graphic.
It's
typically
not
as
much
of
a
struggle
to
find
market
rate
housing
that
is
Affordable
to
that
household.
It's
really
the
incomes
that
are
fall
below
that
median
income
level
who
may
have
a
more
challenging
or
sometimes
frankly,
impossible
time,
finding
housing
that
they
can
actually
afford,
meaning
that
it
costs
no
more
than
30
percent
of
their
income.
M
M
Those
two
far
left
segments
and
just
for
context
for
a
typical
Boise
household
in
a
60
Ami
range
you're
talking
about
an
affordable
rent
of
no
more
than
eleven
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
that
three
for
that
30,
Ami
range
and
affordable
rent
would
need
to
be
no
more
than
570
a
month
for
a
typical
three-person
Boise
household,
and
these
are
just
rent
levels
that
are
extremely
hard
to
achieve
in
the
market.
M
In
December,
zillow's
observed,
rent
index
reported
that
the
median
rent
being
advertised
in
the
Boise
MSA
was
1750
a
month,
which
is
obviously
significantly
more
than
that,
and
that
data
is
only
units
that
are
being
advertised
on
Zillow.
It's
imperfect
and
incomplete,
but
it
is
an
important
indicator
of
warehousing
costs
are
at
in
our
community
within
that
zero
to
thirty
percent
slice
of
the
of
the
image
is
a
subset
of
housing
need,
which
is
permanent.
M
Supportive
Housing
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
provides
both
housing
and
supportive
services
to
households
who
are
frequently
transitioning
out
of
homelessness.
Examples
of
the
kinds
of
services
provided
include
recovery,
coaching
case
management
counseling
as
well
as
Behavioral
Health
Services,
and
it's
worth
noting
that
many
households
in
that
zero
to
thirty
percent
Ami
range,
don't
actually
need
Supportive
Services.
They
just
need
a
place
they
can
actually
afford
to
live,
but
for
some
of
those
households,
the
combination
of
Housing
and
Supportive
Services
is
key
to
ensuring
that
they
can
maintain
their
housing
long
term
and
I.
M
Think
that
fits
well
with
some
of
the
conversation
we've
already
had
put
simply
our
strategy
for
addressing
the
housing
needs
of
our
community
is
to
focus
deeply
where
the
market
doesn't
specifically
on
housing
at
price
points
where
a
typical
developer
or
property
owner
would
likely
not
be
willing
to,
or
in
many
cases,
even
financially
able
to
focus
right
when
we're
talking
about
rents
for
households
in
that
30
Ami
range,
those
rents
are
frequently
not
enough
to
even
cover
the
cost
of
operating
that
building.
M
So
there's
no,
you
know
there's
no
Market
solution
to
that,
because
there's
no
there's
no
Financial
reason
to
operate
a
building
at
that
low
of
rents.
So
in
those
kinds
of
cases,
that's
where
some
kind
of
subsidy
is
needed
in
order
to
make
those
projects
possible
in
terms
of
the
city's
housing
goals
there
to
produce
1
250
units,
affordable
at
60,
am
I
and
below
so
again
focused
on
those
two
far
left
segments
of
the
of
the
graphic
over
the
next
five
years.
M
We
also
have
a
preservation
goal
to
preserve
1
000,
affordable
homes
wanting
to
hold
on
to
the
affordable
housing
stock
we
do
have,
and
then
we
also
have
a
permanent
Supportive
Housing
goal
of
250
units
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
M
To
that
end,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
earlier,
the
mayor
and
Council
have
invested
45
million
dollars
to
date.
That's
a
combination
of
General
funds
and
federal
pass-through
arpa
dollars,
which
will
be
used
to
leverage
significant
additional
funds
from
other
sources
which
Steve
alluded
to
as
well,
and
we
have
a
number
of
strategies
we're
pursuing
to
work
toward
those
goals,
I'm
going
to
highlight
just
a
couple
of
them
for
you,
so
one
of
the
strategies
is
to
use
city-owned
land
and
funds
to
facilitate
the
production
of
affordable
homes.
M
It's
important
here
again
to
note
that
the
city's
contributions
to
these
projects
represent
actually
a
relatively
small
percentage
of
the
overall
funding
for
them
by
contributing
our
funding.
We're
leveraging
a
variety
of
other
fund
sources
such
as
the
federal,
low-income
housing
tax
credit
in
order
to
make
it
possible
for
these
projects
to
move
forward
an
example.
A
recently
completed,
affordable
housing
building
cost
15
million
dollars.
The
city
of
Boise's
contribution
of
1.5
million
dollars
was
made
it
possible
for
that
Capital
stack
to
be
completed
and
for
the
project
to
actually
be
built.
M
So
really
looking
at
at
partnership
is
just
absolutely
necessary
and
key
at
every
step.
Here
in
terms
of
an
update,
we
have
47
units
that
were
completed
in
2022,
the
bulk
of
those
at
a
building,
the
Thomas
Logan
located
right
in
downtown
Boise
and
the
other
two
were
actually
two
single-family
homes,
the
Taft
homes
that
were
built
on
land
donated
by
Callister,
United,
Methodist,
Church,
so
another
great
example
of
partnership
and
collaboration
between
a
faith
community.
A
number
of
funders,
including
the
city
coming
this
year
in
2023.
M
We
expect
to
have
over
200
units
come
onto
the
market.
The
bulk
of
those
are
in
Moda
Franklin,
which
is
at
Franklin
and
Orchard,
and
in
the
pipeline
in
total,
including
the
200
this
year
and
the
47
last
year.
M
We
do
have
67
units
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing
in
our
community.
Currently
that's
at
newpath
and
Valor
point,
so
the
additional
200
units
is
a
significant
increase
and
responding
to
an
urgent
need
in
our
community.
In
addition,
our
path
home
is
working
with
developers
to
voluntarily
dedicate
units
in
existing
buildings
and
some
that
are
in
pre-development,
and
there
are
46
units
that
have
been
voluntarily
dedicated
by
folks
in
our
community
who
know
that
this
is
a
need
and
and
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution.
M
M
M
M
In
terms
of
next
steps,
the
city
will
be
continuing
toward
goals
for
production
preservation
and
permanent
Supportive
Housing
and,
as
I
said,
the
only
way
we
do
that
is
through
partnership
and
so
again,
really
looking
for
ways
where
we
can
partner
and
collaborate
on
funding
with
agencies
like
the
county,
so
that
we
can
collaborate
or
coordinate
on
funding
separate
needs
to
address
short,
medium
and
long
term.
M
So
really
appreciate
Steve's
comments
and
everyone
else's
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thanks,
Nikki.
B
I
just
had
a
general
question
or
comment.
Thank
you.
Nikki,
first
of
all
and
I
agree
with
commissioner
Davidson
about
you
know
making
sure
that
there's
lots
of
options
for
folks,
particularly
those
who
are
struggling
with
mental
health
and
substance
abuse,
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about
as
a
county
with
the
city
is
how
we
support
families,
because
these
are
families
that
don't
want
to
go
into
a
shelter,
probably
living
in
their
car.
B
So
they're,
not
the
people
that
we
see
often
they're,
not
the
people
on
the
street.
They
are
trying
to
make
it
work
and
I.
Think
we
as
a
community
to
think
about
how
we
best
support
them,
because
these
are
children
that
are
in
school.
We
want
them
to
do
well.
We
want
them
to
learn
to
read.
We
want
them
to
be
on
a
trajectory
for
Success,
so
how
do
we
help
them
become
self-sufficient
and
I?
B
A
Wonder
if
Nikki
wouldn't
be
able
to
jump
in
I'm
kind
of
pinpointing
where
families
are
part
of
this,
because
you
have
great
points,
council,
member
and
I
share
and
share
that
desire.
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that's
really
I.
Think
neat
about
this
is
the
numbers
that
you
presented
from
our
path
home,
where
they're
asking
so
I
should
back
up
and
say
that
all
of
this
is
only
possible
with
public-private
partnership,
and
so,
while
the
county
has
the
commission,
the
council
excuse
me
has
invested
funds.
A
It
is
important
to
point
out,
as
you
did,
that
for
that
1.5
million
dollars
that
we
invested,
another
15
million
dollars
came
to
the
table,
and
so
we
are
that
Gap
financing
as
we're
thinking
about
how
we
partner
with
the
funds
that
you
have
to
use
to
meet
this
need
with
long-term
Solutions
and
the
funds
that
we
have
on
the
family
piece.
M
A
In
Nikki's
presentation,
the
rpath
homework
is:
is
the
campaign
to
end
family
homelessness,
seeking
partnership
with
Builders
of
apartment
buildings,
to
dedicate
units
to
get
families
permanently
housed
in
ways
that
make
it
possible
for
those
kids
to
go
the
same
place
every
day
to
be
able
to
head
to
the
same
school
every
day
and
have
that
predictability
and
security,
that's
necessary
for
them
to
thrive
and
in
the
permanent
sport
of
housing
units
that
we're
looking
at?
C
M
Sure
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
Halliburton
I,
was
just
going
to
respond
to
one
piece
of
what
you
said:
council
member
wallets,
which
I
think
is
really
important.
M
Going
back
to
the
city's
housing
strategy,
be
to
focus
where
the
market
doesn't
or
can't
one
of
the
things
that
we
see
in
terms
of
family
homelessness
as
a
challenge
is
unit
size
right.
If
you
look
at
what's
coming
onto
the
market,
what
makes
the
most
Financial
sense
if
you're
a
builder,
is
to
build
one
and
two
bedroom
units
it
the
the
way
that
the
rent
structures
work.
M
It
just
makes
more
sense,
and
so
you
know,
I
was
I
had
a
conversation
with
one
of
our
affordable
housing
developers
this
week,
who
talked
about
that
need
for
three
bedroom
units
for
units
that
are
large
enough
for
families
as
being
something
that
it
might
not
make
Market
sense.
But
that's
why
we
focus
on
these
types
of
affordable
housing
developments
where
we
can,
we
can
bring
some
product
to
bear
that
is
needed,
but
isn't
wouldn't
otherwise
be
be
possible.
C
Yeah
just
a
couple
things
that
I
would
add.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I've
learned
since
I've
been
on
Council
Council,
especially
with
housing
and
homelessness.
It's
such
a
big
puzzle,
you
know,
and
there's
all
these
different
puzzle
pieces
that
you
kind
of
have
to
put
together
and
it
seems,
like
you
know.
C
One
of
the
opportunities
is
this
long-term
partnership
that
we're
really
working
together
and
leveraging
funds
that
we
have
now
or
that
we
may
have
in
the
future
to
address
some
of
these
issues
as
well
as
funds
that
are
available
right
now
that
we
need
to
use
sooner
than
later,
and
it
seems
like
there
are
some
opportunities
with
some
of
those
funds
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
to
address
some
supportive
services
that
could
be
provided
in
things
that
might
be
in
the
pipeline.
Was
that
correct.
L
C
C
Many
of
them
need
Supportive,
Services
related
to
recovery,
and
so,
if
we
can't
figure
out
a
way
to
use
these
use,
this
e-wrap
funding
immediately
for
album
house
there's
potential
for
long-term
partnership
there
in
the
future,
but
then
also
potential
for
partnership
with
one
of
those
funds
to
be
leveraged.
Some
of
the
work
that's
already
being
done,
so
it
just
seems
like
they're
such
a
great
short
term.
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
this
funding
strategy
that
also
kind
of
Builds
on
the
long-term
aspect
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
well?
H
Oh,
yes,
sorry
just
make
a
comment.
I
I
think
this
it's
important
here,
just
like
it's
important
for
like
was
said.
Like
chairman
Beck,
said
I
I
visited
the
that
Court
graduation
last
night
as
well
and
I.
Think
transition
was
the
key
component
part
and
the
transition
is
not
only
what's
going
on
now,
but
what
provides
the
support
mechanism
into
the
future
and
what,
when
you
indicated
it,
I
I
wrote
down
here
permanent
support
that
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
focus
on
permanent
support.
H
We
need
to
focus
on
permanent
transition,
not
permanent
support.
I.
Think
that's
important
in
the
other
component.
Part
of
it
is
we.
We
need
to
look
for
housing
but
permanent
transitional
mechanisms
for
getting
people
where
they
need
to
go
back
to
what
the
councilwoman
said
as
well.
Families
focus
on
families,
families
transitioning
into
supporting
themselves.
M
B
Willis
and
Nikki
you're
probably
going
to
answer
this
you've
heard
me
say
this
before
I'm
really
interested
in
how
we
promote
self-sufficiency
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
what
words
we
use,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
level
setting
our
language.
But
what
can
we
do
to
help
folks
get
self-sufficient?
So
they
don't
end
up
back
on
the
streets
so
that
our
investment
is
actually
having
an
effect.
So
you're
probably
going
to
answer
that.
M
Though
okay,
thank
you,
madam
mayor,
commissioner,
council
member.
Thank
you
I,
think
that
is
an
important
comment
and
I
think
that,
as
we
think
about
that
sort
of
broad
spectrum
of
housing
need
to
recognize
that
it's
a
spec.
It's
a
broad
spectrum
that
we
need
to
have
different
kinds
of
options
in
our
community.
When
we
talk
about
permanent
Supportive
Housing
part
of
what
we're
talking
about
is
that
it
isn't
time
limited,
sometimes
temporary
or
transitional
housing.
M
The
way
that
it's
been
defined
has
been,
for
example,
it's
a
limit
of
two
years,
and
it's
a
hard
limit
that
after
two
years,
you
need
to
move
on,
and
it
is
what
it
is,
and
the
data
around
that
type
of
hard
limit
on
when
a
when
a
family
needs
to
move
on
demonstrates
that
two
years
is
for
one
an
arbitrary
number
and
that
frequently
it's
not
enough
time
for
households
to
make
the
transition
into
self-sufficiency,
and
so
there's
been
a
shift
toward
model
that
doesn't
have
that
kind
of
two-year
hard
deadline.
M
If
you
think
I
think
particularly
about
a
housing
market
like
ours,
a
family
could
make
incredible
strides
in
terms
of
you
know
in
terms
of
their
recovery
in
terms
of
having
additional
income,
could
make
incredible
strides
in
two
years
and
still
be
not
able
to
compete
in
our
Market.
M
There
are
many
people
with
far
fewer
challenges
who
struggle
to
compete
in
our
market
and
so
saying.
Okay,
it's
been
two
years.
It's
time
to
move
on,
but
to
what
is
you
know,
is
certainly
a
challenge,
and
so
I
think
that
I
think
that
your
comments
are
are
really
important
for
us
to
be
holding
as
part
of
the
conversation
that
we
do,
I
mean
we
in
an
Ideal
World.
M
We
want
to
Market
that
works
for
everyone
right
like
that
would
be
if,
if
the
housing
market
was
had
had
these
kinds
of
options
for
everyone
and
made
it
possible
for
everyone
to
be,
you
know
successfully
housed
without
any
kind
of
subsidy.
That'd
be
great.
We
could
spend
this
money
on
other
things,
but
with
the
realities
of
our
market.
Today
it
is.
M
The
the
case
management
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
counseling
also
employment,
Readiness
type
services
to
try
to,
as
you
said,
council
member
Willits
to
Foster
self-sufficiency
to
the
greatest
degree
possible
for
every
household
for
every
person,
so
that
they're
they're
able
to
Avail
themselves
of
all
of
the
options
in
that
rainbow
of
the
from
the
previous
slide,
and
so
that
more
doors
are
open
versus
just
the
ones
that
we're
focused
on
creating
in
those
those
sort
of
segments.
M
On
the
on
the
far
left
of
the
graphic
I've
got
the
graphic
in
my
brain.
So
but
again,
I
I
do
think
that
your
comments
are
are
well
taken
and
and
that
it's
an
important
element
of
the
conversation.
L
A
E
I'll
jump
in
for
just
a
moment.
We
are
we're
appreciative
of
the
discussion
and
I
think
our
staffs
have
been
working
well
together
to
to
sort
of
flash
some
of
this
stuff
out
that
can
bring
back
to
us.
But
at
the
outset
we.
J
E
4.9
million
dollars
we're
willing
to
commit
to
some
form
of
a
partnership,
and
we
were
initially
hoping
we
could
do
it
with
at
Allen
ball
house,
but
unless
you
can
figure
out
a
way
to
hyperspeed
the
the
process,
we
won't
be
able
to
do
that,
but
we
but
transition
is,
is
a
very
important
matter,
and
if
and
if,
if
you
have,
we
have
staffs,
we
have
that
that
money
will
be
available
soon
and
we'd
like
to
work
for
it
with
a
partnership.
If
we,
if
we
can't.
A
Oh
well,
do
we
have
a
plan
for
you,
okay,
a
couple
things
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
it's
really
exciting
and
really
helpful
to
know
that
the
interests
that
and
kind
of
focused
that
the
County
Commissioners
want
to
have
and
the
fact
that
you're
willing
to
invest
4.9
million
dollars
and
then,
of
course,
we
should
ask
our
staffs
to
drill
deeper
into
the
strategy
and
plans
that
we've
developed
and
see
where
that
overlap
exists.
A
I
know
that
there
is
whether,
while
it
might
be
that
Allen
ball
house
timing
doesn't
work
for
those
funds,
I
would
have.
I
would
expect
that
our
staff
is
able
to
work
out
a
way
that
the
County's
investment
can
be
helpful
in
a
time
that
makes
sense
for
the
erap
funds
that
helps
us
then
reduce
some
need
immediately,
where
we
might
be
able
to
then
be
more
helpful
at
a
different
timeline
for
allenbach,
for
instance,
sure,
and
so
a
couple
things
I'd
like
I,
mean
I
feel
as
though
we
made
some
progress
here.
A
The
the
long-term
solution
work
is
where
I
hear
that
both
entities
agencies
want
to
work
together,
and
so
there's
that
for
our
staff
to
work
on
I'd
like
to
follow
up
as
we
talk
about
and
Nikki
brought
up,
both
long-term
Solutions
and
the
short-term
emergency
Solutions.
And
as
council
member
will,
it's
brought
up.
A
Families
I'd
like
to
follow
up
just
perhaps
the
two
of
us,
but
then
bring
it
to
the
Council
on
commission
on
an
Ask
related
to
taking
helping
us
Bridge
the
time
for
the
families
that
are
in
the
hotel
right
now,
as
we
come
up
with
those
long-term
solutions
to
get
folks
into
self-sufficiency,
and
so
in
my
mind,
I
see
coming
back
to
have
a
conversation
between
the
two
agencies
about
that
ass
that
we
made
to
help
us
Bridge
families.
A
And
then
our
staff
would
also
work
together
and
I'd
propose,
based
on
what
we're
hearing
on
figuring
out
where
those
areas
of
alignment
are
so
that
I'm,
County
and
City
resources
can
be
investment
invested
in
a
smart
way
to
reach
our
long-term
goals
of
affordable
housing
and
housing.
Self-Sufficiency
for
families
and
others
in
our
community.
E
Okay,
I
might
add
that
that
there
is
another
source
we
have
talked
about.
Last
year,
the
governor
set
aside
50
million
dollars
for
Gap
financing,
they're
still
about
25
billion
of
that
left
over
I.
Don't
know
if
you
knew
that
or
not,
but
through
the
Idaho
Housing
Finance
Association,
because
because
they
they
processed
a
number
of
applications,
but
they
still
have
at
least
20
million
per
share
that
they
haven't
allocated.
A
Our
staff
is
going
to
work
together
to
look
at
joint
funding
models
that
both
then
the
commission
and
the
council
would
consider
together
and
our
staff
will
work
together
together
and
we'll
kind
of
take
Doug's
lead
on
what
a
ridge
to
Rivers
type
partnership
for
River,
Management
and
oversight
and
use
would
look
like
and
then
from
the
housing
perspective.
A
Our
teams
will
look
at
where
there's
crossover
and
alignment
and
with
regard
to
interest
in
investing
in
long-term
solutions
for
housing
and
then
I'm
going
to
revisit
with
you,
the
the
ask
and
the
conversation
about
keeping
these
fan.
The
families
that
are
currently
experiencing
homelessness
that
have
been
housed
in
hotels
as
family
units
housed,
while
the
city
and
County
and
work
on
timeline
and
needs
to
meet
the
the
number
of
homes
needed
for
these
families.
That
are
there.
Now.