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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Work Session
Description
October 5, 2021
C
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
we'll
get
we'll
get
to
slain
in
in
the
sec
in
a
second
you're.
Probably
wondering
wondering
why
we're
here
we're
actually
going
to
be
bringing
you
a
significant
application
in
the
coming
months.
I
believe,
you've
all
probably
heard
talk
of
a
project
called
muriel
farms.
C
If
annexed
will
need
to
assign
zoning
district,
a
zoning,
district
or
districts,
and
that's
what
makes
this
very
different
rather
than
conventional
zoning,
the
applicant
will
actually
be
seeking
specific
plan
zoning.
This
is
a
tool.
That's
actually
been
used
very
little
in
our
code,
and
so
while,
while
we're
here
to
introduce
you
to
the
project
today,
we're
not
here
to
present
it
in
any
detail,
we're
only
getting
into
our
analysis
on
the
project
itself.
C
C
So
with
that,
you
can
see
here
how
the
development
code
defines
a
specific
plan.
It's
essentially
a
means
to
modify
or
create
new
zoning
regulations
for
unique
areas
and
developments
where
other
conventional
mechanisms
cannot
achieve
the
desired
results
in
the
most
basic
sense.
It
really
does
allow
a
property
owner
to
effectively
write
their
own
zoning
code
for
a
specific
piece
of
property.
It
can
include
standards
or
allowances
in
addition
to
a
base
zone
or,
as
we've
seen
it
used
in
a
limited
basis.
So
far
can
be
so
detailed
that
replaces
the
zone
altogether.
C
It
can
include
their
own
range
of
uses,
dimensional
standards,
design
standards,
even
parking
requirements,
might
include
infrastructure
and
utility
plans
along
with
phasing
as
you've.
Seen
in
the
past
or
we've
seen
in
the
past,
you
might
include
a
transportation
plan
with
specific
street
sections
and
pathway
design
in
our
other
plans.
They've
also
included
their
own
unique
review
process.
C
In
these
instances,
other
than
subdivision
plots
sub
projects
are
often
subject.
Only
to
design
review,
so
you
might
ask
why
a
specific
plan
or
what's
the
purpose
it
actually
benefits
both
the
owner
and
general
community.
It's
really
is
a
front
loaded
process
that
establishes
a
detailed
set
of
use
and
design
standards
and
that
level
of
detail
provides
assurance
as
to
what
the
development
will
look
and
feel
like
it
allows
the
city
to
ensure
a
better
diversity
of
housing
and
integration
of
uses
than
we
might
otherwise
see.
C
C
So
to
achieve
that
in
terms
of
what's
required
in
a
specific
plan,
it
does
require
significantly
more
information
than
conventional
applications.
It
will
include
things
like
a
land
use
map,
including
block
layout,
open
space
patterns.
It
will
need
to
include
requirements
for
very
specific
uses
and
dimensional
standards.
C
Detailed
specific
plans
will
often
also
include
design
guidelines
for
architecture
and
landscaping,
and
then,
finally,
it
can
specify
a
review
and
approval
process
for
individual
projects,
and
so
with
that,
with
that
information,
the
approval
criteria
aren't
that
much
different
than
the
other
applications.
You
see,
like
most
you'll,
ultimately
be
asked
if
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
similar.
Similarly
you'll
need
to
find
compatibility
with
surrounding
development.
C
More
more
significant,
though,
with
a
prep
with
projects
of
any
size,
is
to
ensure
that
adequate
provisions
for
utilities
and
services
are
available.
Often
these
won't
all
be
in
place
at
the
time
of
application.
That's
where
we'll
need
a
well
thought
out
and
detailed
phasing
plan
become
very
important.
C
C
Now,
in
the
case
of
these
plans,
we
do
have
some
lessons
to
learn,
certainly
with
with
both.
I
think,
we've
seen
that
a
wreck,
some
sort
of
structure
written
into
a
specific
plan
around
a
regular
review
or
update
to
counsel,
is
important
and
then
also
what
we've
noticed
is
these
areas
develop?
We've
especially
seen
this
in
harris
ranch.
C
Extensive
outreach
occurs
before
they
submit,
but
then,
as
as
the
neighborhood
grows
and
develops
new
residents
move
in
and
they
weren't
involved
with
the
with
a
specific
planning
effort
at
all,
and
so
some
sort
of
regular
cadence
for
updates
to
keep
them
in
the
loop
is
very
important.
I
think.
Finally,
if
you'd
ask
harris
ranch,
there's
a
danger
in
providing
too
much
detail
in
the
plan
and
they've
been
back
for
very
minor
changes,
but
they've
had
modified
it.
I
think
seven
or
eight
times
now.
C
So
that's
something
we
could
learn
from.
So
that's
really
what
I
had
to
share
celine's,
going
to
walk
you
through
at
a
very
high
level,
muriel
farms
again
we're
not
seeking
any
kind
of
decision
on
an
application.
Today,
we
really
wanted
to
provide
you
some
background
on
the
specific
plan
tool
itself
and
then
just
introduce
that
project
to
you
and
where
you
can
find
the
information,
because
there's
there's
a
lot
there
and
it
is
already
available
for
public
viewing.
So
with
that
saline
will
take
over.
D
This
is
an
active
application,
like
cody
said,
so
we
will
be
going
through
the
typical
public
hearing
process,
but
we
did
want
to
make
you
aware
of
it
just
at
a
high
level
and
early,
so
the
site
sits
at
the
south
of
lake
hazel
road
between
maple
grove
and
coal,
roads
adjacent
to
the
new
york
canal.
This
has
been
owned
and
farmed
by
the
magorio
family
for
four
generations,
with
many
of
the
operations
of
the
dairy
and
the
farm
still
existing.
D
So
here's
the
plan,
the
plan-
includes
approximately
3
560
residential
units
with
a
mix
of
housing
types
and
an
average
density
of
about
nine
units
per
acre.
It
also
has
246
000
square
feet
of
commercial
split
space
proposed
along
with
an
elementary
school
located
within
the
west
data,
school
district
and
various
opportunities
for
open
space
and
pathways.
D
You've
already
seen
a
few
subdivisions
called
the
cere
subdivision
up
here,
so
that
would
connect
with
stubs
with
this
next
phase.
There
are
stubs
into
various
properties
throughout
the
area
and
then
most
of
the
site
within
the
orange
and
yellow
is
residential,
whereas
the
purple
is
the
mixed
use
commercial
office
space
and
then
the
plan
does
actually
cross
over
maple
grove
and
is
adjacent
to
the
desert
sage
elementary
school.
So
there's
a
little
bit
more
high
density
or
medium
density
residential
near
the
school
along
maple
grove.
D
D
D
And
then
the
school
district,
we
have
had
initial
conversations
with
west
data.
They
are,
of
course,
agreeable
for
that
school
site
we're
just
having
further
conversations
with
them
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
good,
safe
routes
to
school
and
that
they've
planned
accordingly
for
their
entrances
and
exits,
depending
on
which
route
they
want
to
take
to
coal.
D
So
there
are
other
maps
in
the
plan
like
cody
alluded
to
that
detail.
Utilities
amenities
open
space
this
one
before
you
right
now
is
a
pathways
plan.
So
you
can
see
a
community
trail
proposed
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site
and
along
eight
mile
creek,
and
there
are
many
micropaths
throughout
the
site
just
to
help
break
up
the
block
links
and
provide
additional
pedestrian
connectivity.
D
Another
map
identifies
the
various
roadways
within
the
project,
and
this
is
also
accompanied
by
right-of-way
sections,
which
we
won't
go
into
detail
this
afternoon.
Most
of
them
are
local
roadways,
which
is
to
be
expected.
There
are
a
couple
different
collector
roadways
which
are
shown
in
the
light
blue
and
the
dark
blue.
D
D
D
D
And
speaking
of
phasing,
there's
also
a
phasing
map
included
in
the
plan,
so
you'll
see
phase
one
is
off
of
coal
connecting
in
with
biseri
subdivision,
but
then
phase
two
and
phase
three
is
off
of
maple
grove.
This
is
where
the
sewer
stub
comes
in
for
the
main
sewer
line
which
we'll
get
into
in
a
second.
D
So,
with
regards
to
sewer,
you
can
see
in
green,
the
main
line
comes
from
maple
grove
and
will
come
actually
stubbing
in
from
tarp
drive,
which
is
right
here
and
then,
of
course,
some
of
the
lines
will
come
in
from
the
basary
sub
on
the
coal
side.
There's
no
issues
with
capacity,
it's
simply
just
building
it
out,
and
that
takes
time
and
then
they'll
extend
throughout
the
site
going
to
the
southeast
towards
coal.
D
And
I
think
the
most
important
thing
to
point
out
for
this
is
that
you
know
it
doesn't
just
because
the
fire
station
isn't
there
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
allow
for
some
building,
and
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
conversations
we're
having
right
now.
As
far
as
phasing
and
making
sure
we
come
up
with
conditions-
or
you
know,
figuring
out
what
can
be
allowed
to
be
built
right
now
and
focusing
on
a
certain
number
in
order
to
to
phase
it
properly.
While
we
make
sure
stations
are
coming,
online
and
services
are
available.
E
D
B
D
Okay,
certainly
and
romeo,
is
here
available.
There
he's.
I
see
him
right
there,
so
I
mean
this.
These
are
certainly
discussions
that
you've
all
had.
You
know
for
quite
some
time
and
there's
a
lot
of
discussions
in
various
other
parts
of
town
too.
So
we're
certainly
mindful
of
this,
and
then
there
are.
D
So
yes
definitely
more
conversations
to
come,
okay
and
then,
lastly,
the
traffic,
so
the
tis
right
now
shows
widening
of
roadways
along
excuse
me,
the
the
tis
right
now
is
under
review
by
achd,
as
I
mentioned,
with
the
proposed
project.
Approximately
you
know:
3
500
units,
the
246
000
square
feet
of
commercial
plus
an
school
with
a
capacity
of
up
to
800
students.
D
E
E
I
don't
think
this
council,
in
the
time
that
I've
been
on
it,
has
supported
much
road
widening
at
all,
let
alone
this
this
kind
and
amount
of
it.
So
I
I
understand
the
projections.
I
also
understand
that
30
years
ago
the
corner
of
fair
and
fairview
and
coal
was
supposed
to
be
the
busiest
corner
in
the
world,
and
we
built
it
for
that
and
it's
about
half
what
was
projected.
So
you
know
I.
I
think
that
this
re
for
at
least
from
my
perspective,
this
requires
a
lot
of
pretty
deep
discussion.
D
And
we
are
we're
just
waiting
for
that
tis
to
be
finally
reviewed.
So
then
we
can
both
jurisdictions
can
come
to
the
table
and
and
really
talk
through
it
and
see
what
what
we'll
all
be
okay
with
so
as
far
as
next
steps.
Obviously
the
tis
needs
to
be
reviewed.
Achd
has
mentioned
that
this
would
go
before
their
commission,
so
they're
tentatively
planning
for
october
27th,
that's
their
night
hearing
this
month.
D
I
I
say
tentative
because
they
would
need
to
finish
their
report
here
in
the
next
week
or
so,
and
we
haven't
had
any
communication,
thus
far
that
that
tis
is
reviewed
so
that
could
be
pushed
to
november.
Potentially
that
said,
we
are
the
city
of
boise
staff
is
waiting
to
go
through
the
standard
public
hearing
process
until
that
tis
is
reviewed
and
we
can
have
those
discussions
about
phasing
and
build
out.
D
D
And
then,
of
course,
as
cody
mentioned,
the
proposal
is
live
and
available
for
public
consumption.
So
we
can
send
you
this
link,
but
it
is
our
permits,
page
and
there's
two
different
applications:
the
code
amendment
to
adopt
the
specific
plan
ordinance
and
then
the
annexation
itself
to
bring
it
into
city
limits
and,
in
the
meantime
we
know,
there's
still
a
lot
of
details
to
work
through.
So
we
appreciate
any
feedback
or
any
suggestions
that
you
have
for
the
process.
D
We
we
fully
expect
this
might
take
more
than
one
round
of
public
hearings.
So
if
you
have
any
suggestions
on
how
we
move
forward,
this
isn't
a
typical
application.
So
it's
to
be
expected
that
it
won't
be
a
difficult
process.
So
if
you
have
any
suggestions,
there
we'd
very
much
appreciate
that
and
that
I
believe
this
is
the
end
of
our
presentation.
F
F
As
far
as
the
public
process
goes,
since
it's
a
much
larger
project,
is
there
a
different
scale
of
community
outreach
or
public
awareness
that
you
have
to
do
on
a
project
of
this
size
or
because
it's
this
large
and
the
proximity
of
it
then
expands
as
well?
Is
it
the
same
that
would
exist
for
any
other
piece
of
property.
D
D
We
can
certainly
go
above
and
beyond
that
we
we
certainly
can
facilitate
other
meetings
before
the
application
was
even
submitted.
The
applicant
did
go
through
various
neighborhood
meeting
processes
on
three
or
four
occasions,
even
during
covid
set
up
a
website
which
is
viewable
right
now,
if
you'd
like
that
to
view
that
as
well,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
outreach
that
way,
but
certainly
as
the
plan
morphs,
we
will
repeat
all
of
that
notice,
noticing.
F
And
madame
are
just
the
follow-up
and
one
more
question
there.
It
seems
like
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
those
things
where
everyone's
going
to
know
about
it
at
some
point
anyway
and
they're
going
to
have
lots
of
opinions
that
they're
going
to
really
want
to
share
so
anything
that
we
can
do
to
get
ahead
and
be
proactive.
I
think,
as
far
as
welcoming
that
sort
of
discussion
is
great.
F
My
second
question
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
with
the
annexation
part,
and
if
there
is
any
do
we
have
any
questions
on
whether
or
not
this
fits
all
the
criteria
for
a
typical
annexation.
I
know
serena
valley
is
kind
of
close
by
as
far
as
like
a
neighboring
property.
Is
there
anything
in
the
aspect
that
is
kind
of
further
away
from
some
other
properties.
That
would
give
us
anything
that
we
would
need
to
be
aware
of.
D
G
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
celine.
I
also
met
with
the
developers
several
months
ago
on
zoom
and
chatted
a
little
bit
about
what
their
plan
looked
like.
My
question
is
around
open
space
because
at
our
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
where
we
talked
about
parks
and
residents,
proximity
to
parks,
we
weren't
counting
open
space.
That
was
internal
to
developments
that
was
maintained
by
the
hoas,
and
I
noticed
that
all
of
the
open
space
in
this
development
is
internal
and
managed
by
the
hoas.
G
G
Great
thank
you,
and
I
think
it
goes
back
to
what
my
comment
was
when
we
were
talking
about
open
space
last
time
that
perhaps
we
should
be
including
some
of
those
in
those
open
spaces
that
are
internal
to
developments
when
we're
inventorying
folks
distance
from
open
space.
Because
a
lot
of
that
you
know
was
a
lot
like
this,
where
it
was
a
condition
of
development
that
there
was
open
space
in
internal
to
internal
to
those
neighborhoods.
A
I'll
just
check
on
anything
else.
I
would
the
one
thing
I'd
like
us.
I
think
that
we
ought
to
have
a
conversation
about
at
some
point,
just
kind
of
moving
off
of
council
member
hallie
burton's
questions
is
annexation
in
general.
The
number
of
requests
out
there.
What
that
looks
like
we
all
have
a
better
sense
of
what
is
or
could
potentially
be
before
us
to
inform
the
decisions
that
council
will
have
to
make,
and
then
I
also,
I
think,
council
president
had
a
good
point
just
about
the
roads
and
connections
and
long-term
implications.
A
E
E
D
Certainly,
madam
mayor
for
soringa
valley,
there
was
multiple
png
hearings,
multiple
council
hearings,
and
then
we
went
back
to
pnz
and
council
and
it
took
about
almost
two
years
for
the
entire
process,
with
ordinance
and
readings
to
get
through.
So
if
you'd
prefer
work
sessions
before
we
go
through
the
planning
and
zoning
hearing
process,
we
can
certainly
accommodate
for
that
and
bring
certain
certain
top
topics
to
kind
of
dial
in
on
yeah.
A
A
But
if
it
was
that
we
saw
the
syringa
valley
and
did
all
that
work
in
those
worst
sessions
after
the
first
process
and
that's
how
it
has
to
be,
then
that
at
least
explains
why
we
haven't
had
that
opportunity
to
do
this
on
this
one,
but
that
we
would
so
we
might
be
off
on
the
ordering
of
that.
So
if
you
just
look
into
that
and
then
you
can
follow
up
with
us,
okay.