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From YouTube: Boise City Council - Work Session
Description
October 12, 2021
A
B
C
C
A
A
We've
heard
folks
express
concerns
about
short-term
rentals,
and
I
know
that
people
are
concerned
that
there's
a
connection
between
that
and
the
affordability
issues
that
many
of
us
are
experiencing,
and
so
we
wanted
to
look
at
a
step
of
licensing
first,
because
if
in
requiring
licenses
and
nikki
will
go
through
some
of
what
this
does
it'll
provide
us.
The
information
that
we
need
to
better
understand
if
there
are
in
fact
policy
changes
that
need
to
be
made
related
to
short-term
rentals.
A
And
so
you
know,
they're
easy
minimum
standards
like
proof
of
liability
insurance
having
a
local
agent
and
somebody
that
neighbors
can
get
a
hold
of,
and
then,
of
course,
accountability
around
obeying
laws
and
by
having
a
license
we'll
be
able
to
better
understand,
then
how
many
short-term
rentals
there
are
in
our
community
where
they
are
who
owns
them?
Who
operates
them?
What
amenities
they
offer
and
for
and
and
frankly
from
that
information,
if
we
review
in
a
year,
we
will
be
able
to
better
make
policy
decisions
around
it.
D
Thanks
very
much,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
my
name
is
nikki
olivier
helen
camp.
As
the
mayor
mentioned,
I'm
the
housing
advisor
in
the
mayor's
office,
and
I'm
here
with
you
today
to
provide
information
around
the
ordinance
around
short-term
rentals
we've
been
working
on
and
to
request
you
to
a
firm
direction,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
make
my
slide
show
up
on
the
screen
there.
It
is
okay,
you
just
feel
like.
D
D
So
the
strategy
in
order
to
get
there,
is
really
focused
on
gathering
the
data
that
we
need
to
even
begin
to
answer
these
very
basic
questions
around
how
many
units
are
operating
in
boise
who
is
operating
them?
Where
are
they
located
and
then
with
the
goal,
as
the
mayor
said,
to
bring
that
data
back
to
council
for
additional
consideration
and
for
you
all
to
decide
whether
additional
policies
are
are
needed
or
appropriate.
D
In
terms
of
a
program
overview,
the
ordinance
requires
that
anyone
operating
a
short-term
rental
obtain
and
maintain
a
short-term
rental
license.
This
would
be
an
annual
license
that
would
be
renewed
each
year.
It
would
require
an
application
fee
for
each
location
and
that
fee
would
be
set
just
to
cover
the
cost
of
administering
the
program,
so
that
cost
is
estimated
currently
at
about
eighty
dollars
per
location.
D
In
terms
of
the
requirements,
the
operator
would
provide
some
very
basic
information,
their
name,
their
address
and
contact
information
for
out-of-state
owners.
They
would
provide
the
same
for
any
local
agents,
the
physical
address
of
the
property
and
a
map
of
the
rental
information
about
which
rental
marketplaces
are
being
used
to
list
the
short-term
rental
and
proof
of
insurance.
D
There
would
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
ordinance
at
first
reading,
an
estimated
60
days
to
develop
and
implement
the
system
at
a
cost
of
an
estimated
six
thousand
three
hundred
and
the
schedule
estimates
a
february
2022
implementation
timeline,
although
that
would
be
pushed
out
if
there
were
changes
to
the
ordinance
or
other
reasons
for
a
delay,
and
I
think,
as
a
particular
note,
around
community
outreach
and
education
that
this
will
be
an
important
component.
D
If
the
council
chooses
to
affirm
direction,
a
big
piece
of
this
ordinance
will
be
just
around
figuring
out
who,
who
these
folks
are
and
how
we
can
communicate
with
them.
So
the
the
question
of
how
do
we
do
this
community
outreach
when
we
don't
know
who
we're
outreaching
to,
I
think
is
certainly
one
that
we'll
be
we'll,
be
working
on
to
make
sure
that
that
outreach
is
effective
and
so
that
people
know
what
their
responsibilities
are
and
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
D
C
Okay,
metamere
follow-up.
C
I
guess
the
the
part
I'm
uncertain
about-
and
hopefully
you
can
help
me
with
is
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
said.
This
is
the
first
step
towards
addressing
problems
posed
by
short-term
rentals
and
then
there's
some
discussion
about
gathering
information
that
we
need.
But
why
do
we
need
to
require
people
to
have
insurance,
for
instance,
to
gather
the
information
number
one?
C
And
why
isn't
the
information
that's
publicly
available,
for
instance,
from
airbnb
or
other
places
already
going
to
get
us
the
bulk
of
of
what
we
need
to
know
in
terms
of
how
many
and
where
they
are.
D
E
Thank
you
I
appreciate
it
has.
Has
anyone
looked
at
ways
to
gather
the
information
in
a
way
that
requires
a
little
bit
less
red
tape
so,
for
example,
hiring
someone
to
do
research
or
partnering
with
someone
to
do
research
so
that
we
can
see
what
the
extent
and
scope
of
the
issue
is
before
we
enact
additional
regulation.
D
Madam
mayor
councilmember
whittings,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I
would
be
happy
to
follow
up
with
you
on
this
piece
as
well
and
in
terms
of
I
think,
an
important
distinction
to
make
here
is
around
regulation
versus
registration
that
this
ordinance
is
really
seeking
to
find
information
and
to
do
the
fact-finding
mission
as
opposed
to
to
providing
additional
regulations
at
this
point.
But
it's
those
it's
an
excellent
question
and
I'd
be
happy
to
get
back
to
you.
Yeah.
A
And
I'll
jump
in
here
this
is
looking
at
licensing
just
like
we
license
cab
drivers,
other
individual
businesses
and
the
premise
behind
it
is
that
I
think
you
as
council
myself
as
a
former
council
member
now
mayor
have
heard
often
that
there's
an
issue
in
the
community,
but
we
aren't
able
to
really
prove
or
disprove
that
issue
if
we
don't
have
the
basics
covered,
which
is
understanding
where
they
are.
A
If
it's
you
know,
five
owners
that
have
a
hundred
each
or
individual
they're,
all
individual
owners
and
some
of
that
information
you
just
won't
get
by
doing
research
or
by
looking
at
airbnb
listings,
and
so
it's
the
the
basics
just
like
if
you
live
in
mccall
or
other
places,
and
you
want
to
do
this-
you
get
a
license.
The
city
has
that
information.
A
If
there
are
issues
we're
able
to
then
know
how
to
trace
the
owner
or
manager,
if
it's
a
local
agent
of
the
establishment
and
look
at
whether
or
not
there
are
trends
and
then
indeed
whether
or
not
we
actually
need
to
do
something
more.
With
regard
to
regulation,
and
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
the
answer
could
well
be
that
we
don't
need
to.
We
don't
know
that,
yet
we
want
to
take
the
simple
step
of
kind
of
common
sense,
business
practice
of
licensing.
C
C
B
F
So
some
questions-
I
guess
as
far
as
the
information
that
we're
gathering,
because
I
think
the
council
member
of
agent
is
correct
and
that
you
could
go
on
and
you
could
see
all
the
airbnb
listings
in
boise,
and
so
you
could
get
a
bit
of
an
inventory
there,
but
we
do.
We
have
the
ability
to
say:
does
one
person
own
100
of
those
things
and
then
another
person
owns
one
and
then
another
person
owns
10,
or
are
we
not
able
to
gather
that
type
of
information?
F
Unless
we
are
doing
something
like
this,
where
we're
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
who
owns
the
properties
and
those
types
of
things,
do
they
live
in
state?
Did
they
live
out
of
state
because
there's
all
sorts
of
different
regulations
all
over
the
country
as
far
as
what
states
or
cities
want
to
do
as
far
as
allowing
short-term
rentals?
Is
that
the
type
of
stuff
that
we're
gathering
is,
do
they
live
here?
Do
they
not
live
here?
How
many
do
they
own
that
type
of
stuff?
Is
there
any
other
information?
D
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
hallie
burton
yes,
I
think
that's
a
great
question
and
there
is
a
lot
of
information
that
would
be
available
from
airbnb
from
the
platforms
themselves,
but
the
questions
you
mentioned
around.
How
do
we
get
in
touch
with
one
of
these
owners?
If
there's
a
problem
at
one
of
these
sites?
How
many
sites
do
any
one
of
these
owners
own?
That's,
not
information
that
we
would
likely
be
able
to
to
pull
off
of
the
platform,
and
so,
if
that's
the
kind
of
information
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
have
then
likely.
F
Great
mayor,
another
question:
when
we
talk
about
the
community
outreach
and
the
education
is
that
just
informing
the
regular
community
about
here's,
the
new
regulations
that
exist
as
far
as
these
things
go,
or
is
this
kind
of
like
contacting
all
the
folks
who
are
on
airbnb
to
do
outreach
to
let
them
know
of
the
new
policies
and
the
procedures
and
stuff
that
are
in
place?
How
are
we
going
to
be
going
out
and
finding
all
the
folks
and
implementing
this
new
licensing
and
sort
of
feed
that
is
associated
with
it?.
D
G
Absolutely,
madam
mayor
council
members,
I
think
it
would
be
from
a
community
outreach
standpoint.
You
know
multiple
approaches.
You
know
we
would
take
a
look
at
general
community
outreach.
We
would
probably
work
with
some
of
the
partners
with
the
airbnb
listings
that
we
are
aware
of
vrbo,
bokassa,
all
of
those
different
ones
that
we're
aware
of
and
probably
reach
out
to
those
companies
as
well.
So
they
also
understand
what
the
regulations
are
in
the
city
of
boise
and
then
can
also
have
another
avenue
to
communicate
to
their
constituents
as
well.
F
And
madam
mayor
just
one
kind
of
final
question
here
and
jamie,
you
might
stay
on
for
this
one
as
well,
so
if,
if
we
find
that
somebody
has
a
that
has
been
operating
after
we
implement
this
without
a
license
is
there
is
there
I
mean
obviously
there's
like
a
carrot
of
like
don't
get
in
trouble
before
we
do
this
we're
gonna.
Do
this
outreach?
Is
there
a
stick
that
says
like
you,
lose
your
ability
to
rent
the
salary?
What
are
the
the
types
of
penalties
if
somebody
is
not
complying
with
this?
D
Hi
yeah
council
member
excuse
me,
madam
mayor
councilmember,
hallie
burton.
I
think
the
question
here
is
a
good
one
to
define
where
we
can
address
independent
goals
and.
H
H
I
Yeah,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
my
apologies
for
that,
but
I
am
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
and
any
further
feedback
you
may
have
on
the
short
term.
The
proposed
short-term
rental
ordinance.
J
Well,
first
of
all,
we
all
hope
nikki's
gonna
be
okay,
so
the
question
I
had
was-
and
I
think
to
council
member
agents
concerned
that
we
don't
have
any
evidence
that
there's
any
harm
being
done.
J
As
I
understand
it,
we
do
have
some
evidence,
especially
when
there's
an
emergency
call
to
one
of
these
locations
and
you're,
not
sure
who
the
owner
is
and
who's
in
charge
and
who
to
talk
to,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that
alone
would
be
a
public
interest
to
be
able
to
understand
some
of
this
information
that
we'll
get
from
the
license.
I
Madam
mayor
council,
president,
you
are
not
dreaming,
it's
been
a
problem,
I
know
when
the
police
department
responds
to
one
of
these
locations
and
it's
unclear
who
the
owner
is.
This
is
particularly
true
when
teenagers
tend
to
be
occupying
these
types
of
rentals.
The
other
issue
is
is
just
in
neighborhoods.
If
you've
got
you
know,
your
regular
old
neighborhood
complaints
like
somebody's
tree
has
fallen
over
in
your
yard
or
what
have
you?
It
is
difficult
to
ascertain
who
that
person
who's
responsible
is.
J
J
K
Madam
mayor,
thank
you,
courtney,
one
thing
that
I
don't
know
we've
discussed
related
to
this.
I
know
we're
thinking
in
terms
of
the
licensing
of
what
happens
if
there
is
issues
and
who
do
we
contact?
Who
who
can
folks
get
a
hold
of
to
deal
with
these
issues?
I'm
wondering
if
part
of
this
can,
and
I
don't
know
how
it
would
work.
I
don't
know
how
fair
housing
fits
into
any
of
this.
K
If
we
have,
let's
say
folks
from
outside
the
area
who
want
to
make
use
of
one
of
these
short-term
rentals
and
perhaps
feel
they're
discriminated
against
and
being
offered
one
of
those
vacancies,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
also
look
into
the
how
that
would
work
with
this
as
well,
because
the
way
we've
been
talking
about
it
is
on
the
you
know,
once
you've
got
somebody
in
one
of
these
short-term
rentals
and
any
issues
that
may
or
might
arise,
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
also
be
available
to
somebody
if,
if
they
feel
that
they're
not
able
to
access
a
short-term
rental
in
boise
because
of
possible
discrimination,.
L
Courtney,
I'm
also
interested
in
how
other
cities
have
handled
it.
I
mean
because
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
at
least
comparable
size
cities
how
they've
how
they've
integrated
something
around
short-term
riddles
and
how
it's
been
if
it's
been
successful
and
such
so
I'd
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
I
There
seems
to
be
a
differentiation
between
someone
who
resides
on
a
property
with
one
of
these
who
seems
to
be
renting
it
out
to
afford
the
home
they're
also
in
on
the
property,
as
opposed
to
the
larger
commercial
enterprises.
Where
someone
owns
multiple
short-term
rentals,
you
know
in
irregardless
of
where
their
own
property
is
in
in
pretty
big
numbers.
So
once
the
data
is
collected,
it
looks
like
cities
tend
to
then
treat
those
segments
of
the
commercial
businesses
differently,
but
I'll
get
back
to
you
on
that.
C
Anime
courtney:
the
can
you
help
me
understand
how
not
knowing
the
name
of
a
short-term
rental
owner
is
different
than
not
knowing
the
name
of
the
long-term
model
owner.
I
understand
that
police
and
fire
come
places.
They
see
the
tenants,
they
have
a
problem,
they're
trying
to
get
in
touch
with
the
owner,
but
how
is
that
any
different
between
a
short-term
rental
and
a
long-term
rental?
In
either
case?
It's
the
property
owner
right.
I
Madam
mayor
council
member,
I
think
the
answer
is
yes
and
no.
In
some
cases
the
short-term
rental
facilitator
is
different
than
the
platform
holder
than
is
different
than
the
actual
owner
of
the
property.
So
I
think
property
manager
versus
property
owner
versus
the
platform
that
runs
the
short-term
rental,
but
I'll
look
into
it.
C
C
It
sounds
like
we're
conceding
that
we
can't
point
to
a
harm
here,
so
really
we're
just
asking
the
public
to
turn
over
information
about
their
private
dealings
so
that
we
can
ascertain
who
they
are,
what
they're
doing
and
what
harm
that
may
be.
We
wouldn't
have
the
authority,
for
instance,
to
just
send
subpoenas
to
people
and
ask
them
how
they're
using
their
property
there
has
to
be
harm.
We
regulate
for
the
general
welfare
we
regulate,
to
prevent,
harms
or
to
promote
good,
but
here
creating
a
regulatory
scheme
and
charging
people
money.
C
E
Yes,
go
ahead,
I
have
one
more
question
and
it
relates
to
taxation
on
these
properties.
Has
anyone
spoken
to
the
tax
commission
to
see
what
it
looks
like
on
their
end,
because
I
know
that
all
of
the
platforms
all
of
the
widely
used
platforms
collect
taxes
on
each
of
these
properties,
and
there
might
be
some
good
information
ascertained
there
as
far
as
if
one
person
is
owning,
multiple
properties
or
if
these
are
a
little
bit
more
dispersed
in
ownership.
I
Madam
mayor
council,
member
I'll
write
that
down
I'll
follow
up
on
that.
I
E
Similarly,
I
I
would
like
for
us
to
have
a
little
bit
more
information
before
we
enact
any
kind
of
regulation.
I
don't
feel
like
that.
Question
has
been
answered
for
me
at
this
point
and
I'm
not
saying
that
it
won't
be
answered
for
me,
but
I
think
before
we
enact
an
ordinance
where
we
require
somebody
to
license
something
that
we're
not
even
sure
is
causing
harm.
K
Adam
if
it's
decided
that
we're
not
ready
to
do
the
ordinance,
I'm
wondering
I
know
on
the
list
we
had
community
outreach.
Maybe
we
need
to
start
there
where
we've
done
listening
sessions
for
other
issues,
I'm
wondering
if
that's
maybe
what
we
need
to
do.
I
know
for
myself.
I
have
folks
who've
interacted
with
property
managers
who
have
been
hired
to
oversee
issues
with
short-term
rentals
in
the
neighborhood.
I've
had
friends
reached
out
to
by
those
property
managers,
so
the
in
the
neighborhood
is
being
interrupted.
K
My
my
friend
said
I
don't
want
to
be
in
charge
of
reporting
somebody
who's
occupying
a
space
next
to
me,
if
that's
somebody
else's
job,
but
it
feels
like
it's
my
job
as
much
as
she
was
grateful
for
the
property
manager
to
come
over
and
give
her
their
card
in
case
there
were
issues,
so
I
do
feel
there
is
a
disruption
happening
in
our
neighborhoods,
but
maybe
we
need
to
do
some
more
outreach
and
let
everybody
who
feels
that
they're
affected
by
this
phenomenon
to
give
input
on
how
they
may
be
being
harmed.
F
Vladimir
yeah,
just
so,
I
guess
everyone
is,
has
the
ability
to
say
the
direction
that
they
would
like
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
us
move
forward
with
this.
I
think
it's
a
good
step
in
better
regulating
and
better
knowing
exactly
what
problems
do
or
do
not
exist,
and
the
example
I
would
give
is,
if
somebody's
living
in
a
house
and
they're
renting
out
their
adu
or
living
somewhere
and
renting
out
another
property
and
boise
to
supplement
their
incumbent
or
to
stay
in
their
house.
F
To
me,
that's
not
a
problem
and
an
80
fee
and
licensing
isn't
necessarily
a
burden
if
we
can
make
sure
that
it
also
better
informs
neighbors
emergency
services
of
what
sort
of
exists.
Somebody
who
might
own
10
properties
in
town
that
could
potentially
be
available
for
long-term
rentals
to
me
is
an
issue
and
is
a
problem,
and
I
think
that
this
gives
us
some
steps
to
better
regulate
those,
and
so
I
do
think
it
is
worth
taking
some
steps
to
better,
regulate
and
see
if
more
steps
are
needed,
going
forward.