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From YouTube: City Council Work Session - 5/18/21
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A
Mr
mcquade
welcome:
how
are
you
sorry?
We
had
a
technical
glitch
and
you
couldn't
hear
us
kicking
things
off.
It's
great
to
have
you
here.
Thanks
for
joining
us,
eric
just
did
an
intro
to
the
conversation
that
both
of
you
are
here
to
have
with
us,
and
I'm
suggested
that
you
go
ahead
and
jump
in
first.
B
Okay,
well,
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I
really
appreciate
eric's
invitation.
It's
been
years
since
I
had
given
one
of
these
briefings
to
the
boise
city
council,
and
I
I
missed
it,
and
I
was
just
really
excited
when
eric
called
and
asked
if
I
would
be
willing
to
come
back
again
and
so
so
eric.
Thank
you.
B
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
there
in
person
with
eric,
and
I
just
had
gone
back
and
forth
a
little
bit
should
I
do
it
virtual
or
in
person,
and
I
had
a
three
o'clock
meeting
with
the
commissioners
and
it
actually
went
just
until
about
20
minutes
to
three.
So
it
was
just
as
well
that
I
decided
to
do
this.
Virtually
it
saved
me
from
having
to
race
down
there
and
by
the
way
the
commissioners
wanted
me
to
give
you
their
best
and
and
to
say
hello.
B
This
presentation's
gonna
be
a
little
bit
different
than
than
what
I've
done
in
in
past,
for
not
only
for
boise
city,
but
even
just
in
the
recent
past
that
I
tend
to
spend
more
time
on
on
the
numbers
and
not
so
much
as
a
narrative.
This
year,
I'm
it's
going
to
be
just
the
opposite.
I'm
going
to
spend
probably
more
time
on
the
narrative
than
I
I
will
the
numbers,
but
I
do
know
we've.
B
I
believe
it's
40
minutes
allocated
time
and
I
usually
go
about
15
minutes,
so
maybe
we'll
have
a
little
more
time
for
the
numbers,
but
right
now
it's
I
want
to
spend
more
time
on
on
the
narrative
and
it's
what
I
want
to
talk
about.
I'm
going
to
make
just
a
couple
of
preparatory
remarks
in
just
a
moment
and
then
I'll
get
into
the
into
the
meat
of
this
discussion.
B
We'll
talk
about
resident,
total
value,
residential
values,
and
then
I
want
to
talk
about
what's
driving
these
values
in
the
eyes
of
the
assessor's
office,
and
my
appraisers
have
my
own
eyes
to
talk
briefly
about
commercial,
new
construction
and
urban
renewal,
and
then
I
want
to
spend
a
little
more
time
on
something
that
everybody
seems
to
be
talking
about,
and
it's
misunderstood
by
just
about
everybody
who's
talking
about
it,
and
that
is
tax
burden.
B
And
hopefully
I
can
can
shed
some
light
on
that
and
put
that
into
a
better
perspective
than
it
is
being
discussed
today.
B
Well,
just
a
couple
of
comments
before
I
get
into
the
numbers
it,
I
am
constantly
being
asked
in
fact
just
last
weekend
somebody
said,
oh,
so
the
county's
going
to
get
all
of
this
extra
money
now
because
the
values
are
going
up.
Well,
that's
that's
not
the
case.
I
hear
people
say
that
you're
the
treasurer.
I
just
wrote
you
a
check.
You
know,
that's
not
the
case
either.
The
assessor
has
a
very
specific
job
regarding
the
taxation
here
in
idaho,
and
that
is
the
assessor's
office
is
to
allocate
the
taxes.
B
That's
our
sole
purpose.
We
don't
collect
them.
I
don't
raise
them
because
you
need
more
or
lower
than
because
you
need
less,
but
my
job
is
to
allocate
taxes
and
for
the
the
county,
for
example,
the
county
is
going
to
set
a
budget
and
is
what
I've
done
or
will
do
by
setting
market
values,
I'm
going
to
decide
how
much
each
piece
of
property
or
each
property
owner
will
pay
of
that
total
tax
bill.
B
Based
upon
my
estimate
of
their
value
and
that's
the
value
as
of
january
1st,
a
lot
of
people
are
confused
about
how
we
do
the
valuations.
So
I'd
just
like
to
spend
just
a
moment
and
just
tell
you
how
we
calculate
the
values
residential
in
particular
is
how
we
do
our
residential
appraisals
is.
We
will
take
a
look
at
all
of
the
sales.
Last
year
we
had
about
13
000
sales
in
ada
county
last
year,
so
we'll
take
all
of
those
sales
and
we'll
time
adjust
those
to
january
1st
of
this
year.
B
If
values
went
up,
if
the
sales
price
january
1st
exceeded
our
assessed
value
by
we'll,
say
20,
then
we
will
take
that
neighborhood
or
that
area,
and
we
will
increase
that
by
by
the
20
percent,
and
so
that's
how
we
do
the
residential
property
commercials
a
little
bit
different
and
much
more
difficult
because
we
don't
have
the
the
information
is
not
as
forthcoming
from
the
commercial
property
owners
as
it
is
from
the
residential
property
owners.
B
B
If
all
the
budgets
go
up,
three
percent
there'll
be
a
slight
increase
there,
but
in
the
year
that
we're
looking
at
now,
where
we're
looking
at
values
that
going
up
25,
there's,
certainly
not
going
to
be
a
25
percent
increase
in
taxes,
and
I'm
really
trying
to
get
this
point
across
to
people
that
there
is
not
a
one
to
one
correspondence
to
an
increase
in
value
and
increase
in
taxes.
B
Now,
typically,
there
is
an
increase
in
taxes,
so
people
automatically
assume
that
is
because
of
the
increase
in
in
the
values,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
more
to
it
than
that,
and
just
before
I
get
going
into
the
numbers
here
is
how
close
are
our
values
to
the
selling
prices?
Typically
on
residential
we're
about
98
of
the
of
the
sales
price
commercial
were
about
93
or
94
and
again
there
are
some
factors
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit.
What
causes
that
difference?
B
So
if
there
aren't
any
questions
at
this
point,
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
just
jump
in
we'll
look
at
total
market
value
in
boise
city
this
year,
it's
43
billion
dollars,
and
also
I
would
like
to
apologize
for
not
having
any
slides
the
person
who
usually
prepares
my
slides.
He
has
been
assisting
us
in
straightening
out
our
the
difficulties
with
motor
vehicles.
B
It
has
been
really
challenging
for
for
me,
for
my
chief
deputy
and
for
our
analysts
and
as
we
just
really
have
not
had
a
chance
to
do,
vote
time
to
the
slides,
which
would
be
nice,
but
if,
when
we
are
turning
200
people
away
at
motor
vehicles,
because
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
handle
them,
that's
where
all
of
our
attention
is
being
devoted
right
now,
although
things
are
getting
better
motor
vehicles,
don't
get
me
wrong.
The
total
market,
like
boise
city,
is
43
billion
dollars
and
that's
not
the
taxable
value.
B
That's
the
market
value
that's
up
23
over
last
year's
35
billion.
That's
not
the
taxable
value
the
taxable
value.
We
need
to
make
some
adjustments
to
what
you
would
actually
be
able
to
levy
taxes
against.
The
first
number
we
have
to
look
at
is
the
homestead
exemption,
and
that
is
at
seven
billion
dollars.
We
need
to
take
that
out
of
that
43
billion
dollars,
because
that's
not
going
to
go
into
the
calculation.
B
Everybody
knows
now.
The
homeowner's
homestead
exemption
was
increased
to
125
000
this
year
and
that's
effective
as
of
this
year.
Something
new
this
year
is
the
homestead
exemption
can
be
applied
for
all
year
round.
Last
year
and
prior
years
you
had
to
apply
for
it
by
april
15th,
but
this
year
it
has
changed.
The
legislation
went
into
effect
and
you
can
apply
up
to
december
31st
for
the
homestead
exemption.
B
So
we
take
out
the
homestead
exemption
7
billion.
We
have
to
take
out
any
other
outstanding
exemptions.
As
of
right.
Now,
that's
about
263
million
dollars,
the
tax,
the
our
commissioners.
They
are
the
ones
who
have
to
approve
all
exemptions
and
they
have
to
get
those
numbers
to
me
by
may
15th.
The
numbers
I'm
using
right
now
are
good,
as
of
may
12th,
so
that
263
million
dollars
that
might
materialize-
or
they
may
have
gotten
everything
to
me.
B
But
that's
going
to
be
pretty
close
when
you
look
at
the
total
budget
that
you
have
in
the
total
number
of
exempt
volume
of
exemptions.
B
B
In
other
words,
the
tax
commission
will,
let's
take
union
pacific,
for
example,
that
that's
a
classic
example.
They
have
railroad
tracks
and
they
have
cars,
and
whatnot
here
in
idaho,
is
how
they
value
that
is,
they
will
take.
They
will
value
the
entire
company
well,
almost
as
if
one
were
going
to
be
valuing
the
company
to
to
test
the
value
of
a
stock
or
something
like
that,
and
then
they
break
that
out
and
do
how
much
of
that
value
is
in
the
state
of
idaho.
B
They
then
start
to
allocate
that
and
reduce
that
down
by
tax
code
area
in
the
case
of
union
pacific.
It
would
be
how
many
line
miles
or
miles
of
track.
There
are
we'll
say
in
in
boise
city,
and
they
would
take
that
that
portion
times
the
value
that's
allocated
to
idle
and
that's
how
they
derive
the
value
for
operating
property
that
doesn't
get
to
us
until
until
august.
B
B
Just
drilling
down
in
that
just
a
little
bit
in
boise
city,
you
have
85
000
residential
parcels
and
that's
about
a
2
increase
over
last
year's
83
83
000..
Your
total
market
value
is
residential.
This
is
total
market
value,
not
the
tax
advantage.
33
billion
dollars,
that's
up
about
25
over
the
previous
years,
median
increase
on
single-family
residential
existing
is
25,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
really
a
surprise
to
you
or
not
to
a
lot
of
people.
B
They
are
aware,
what's
been
going
on,
mls
for
the
same
period
has
a
range
of
between
26
and
30
percent.
So
we're
a
little
bit
less
than
what
mls
says.
So
I
feel
comfortable
with
that
25
median
increase
by
the
way
of
comparison
in
boise
city
last
year.
It
was
a
six
percent
increase,
so
there's
considerably
larger
increase
than
last
year.
B
Single-Family
residential-
and
this
is
all
of
eta
county.
We
don't
have
it
broken
down
by
by
different
geographic
areas,
but
it's
just
about
400
000
is
the
median
value
for
ada
county
for
as
of
january
21st,
it's
about
40,
000,
less
than
mls's
number,
and
I'm
not
really
too
concerned
about
that
difference.
If
it
was
we'll,
say,
75
or
100
000,
then
I'd
have
cause
for
concern
primarily
concern
on
my
end
of
it
that
we
have
missed
something
that
is
a
pretty
significant
factor
in
in
the
market.
B
At
this
point,
I
would
just
kind
of
like
just
go
into
just
a
brief
narrative
here,
and
that
is
why
what
we
see
has
been
going
on
in
the
market
and
why
we
have
this
to
me
and
my
in
my
experience
here
as
the
assessor
and
perhaps
even
in
prior
history,
we've
had
this
unprecedented
25
increase
in
single-family
residential
in
just
a
single
year
is
first
of
all.
Last
year
we
had
13
500
sales.
B
We've
never
had
anything
close
to
that
before.
I
think
maybe
eleven
thousand
eleven
thousand
five
hundred
is
probably
the
largest
number
I've
ever
seen
before,
but
thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
in
a
year
when
the
economy
was
really
faces,
some
real
strong
headwinds
and
we
had
the
pandemic.
We
were
trying
to
deal
with
so
that
to
me
is
just
an
amazing
number.
In
light
of
those
conditions,
we
have
3700
new
homes.
C
B
Were
occupied
last
year
that
compared
to
the
previous
year,
20
2019
was
four
thousand
seven
hundred
forty
seven
hundred,
so
we
had
fewer,
no
home,
newer
homes
occupied
last
year.
That
certainly
added
to
this
shortage,
of
course,
low
interest
rates
that
that
certainly
pays
plays
into
this
is
when
someone's
buying
a
a
home
most
people.
It's
not
is
it
a?
Is
it
a
400,
000
house
or
600
000
house?
It's?
B
How
much
can
I
afford
on
a
monthly
payment
and,
of
course,
as
interest
rates
go
down,
then
you
can
get
a
larger
loan
but
low
interest
rates.
That's
just
part
of
the
equation.
The
other
equation
is
a
lot
of
people
are
moving
into
the
area
and
they're
paying
cash
they're
selling
their
homes
in
california
or
washington,
or
oregon
utah,
even
they're
walking,
with
significant
amounts
of
cash
and
they're
getting
into
bidding
wars.
Cash
bidding
wars
as
houses
go
on
the
market.
Someone
had
related
an
experience
to
me.
B
B
So
they
really
aren't
on
the
market
very
long
as
as
soon
as
something
for
sale.
Sign
goes
up
even
before
that,
sometimes
the
bidding
war
starts
and
the
cash
bidders
usually
are
more
successful
than
those
who've
had
to
to
are
going
to
be
borrowing
to
to
cover
their
cost.
B
A
A
Could
you
relate
that
to
your
practices
with
regard
to
assessing
value,
because
you
know
one
thing
that
we
would
really
like
to
ensure
that
the
our
residents
understand
is
how
the
assessor's
office
is
looking
at
the
market
today
is
looking
at
the
balance
of
residential
and
commercial
and
then
what
we
can
expect
and
how
that
factors
into
the
levies
and
budget
that
we
as
a
city
will
be
developing.
That
eric
will
speak
to
next.
B
D
B
C
B
I
saw
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
in
there.
I,
I
guess
I'll,
just
I'll
give
a
general
answer
and
see
if
that
helps
that
off
not
we
can
have
another
follow-up
question,
but
it's
is
what
we
do
is
we
just
look
at
all
of
the
sales
and
we
do
not
look
at
cash
sales
or
or
or
finance
sales.
We
just
look
at
all
of
the
sales,
and
that
is,
we
use
our
again
adjust
that
to
january
1st,
and
that
is
the
determinant
of
what
the
value
would
be
for
that
property
as
of
january
1st.
A
Well,
I
think
that
that's
what
the
public
really
needs
to
know
is
what
you're
looking
at
and
how
you're
making
the
decisions
on
assessments,
as
that
relates
to
the
taxes
than
they
see
when
you
know
when
they
pick
up
their
bill.
B
Right
the
most
important
thing
to
us
is:
we
have
to
be
at
market
value
by
as
of
january
1st
of
that
tax
year
and
that's
all
by
statute.
In
fact,
I've
heard
some
kind
of
rumbling
that
there's
somebody
out.
There
is
really
unhappy
with
what
we're
doing
and
he's
going
to
start
some
kind
of
a
movement
where
we
have
to
lower
the
values
down.
B
Well,
the
problem
is
if
we
were
to
lower
the
values
down
and
let's
say
we
were
to
go
below
90
percent,
we
have
to
be
at
100,
plus
or
minus
10.
The
state
tax
commission
will
come
in
and
they
will
do.
A
do
is
not
a
re
reappraisal,
but
they
will
do
an
equalization
and
they
will
say
if
we
were
down
at
89,
the
tax
commission
could
come
in
and
raise
it
up
to
90
percent
or
to
91
whatever
they
thought
would
be
appropriate.
B
Of
course,
this
takes
a
period
of
time
to
happen,
but
it
has
happened
and
the
problem
when
they
do
a
equalization
when
they
equalize
values
like
that,
no
one
has
has
opportunity
to
appeal.
So
let's
say:
if
I
follow
this
person's
advice,
I
went
below
the
the
25
26
and
we
were
found
to
be
out
of
compliance.
B
B
As
of
january
1st
and
fax
attack
the
the
tax
commission
in
march
of
next
year,
they're
going
to
do
what
they
call
a
racial
study,
they're
going
to
take
those
13,
500
sales
we
had
last
year
and
they're
going
to
test
those
to
see
if
we
were
in
fact
at
at
least
90
of
that
single-family
residential,
we're,
usually
right
around
97
98,
so
we're
pretty
close
there
and
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
fact
we
have
13
500
sales.
We
can
build
really
robust
models
with
samples
like
that
on
commercial
property.
B
E
Miss
sir,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
information
provided.
If
you
would
indulge
me
this
is
a
very
confusing,
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
a
question.
E
It
might
sound
like
a
very
simple
question,
but
so
you
said
so
far
in
your
presentation
that
when
it
comes
to
calculating
property
values
that
you
have
difficulty
getting
information
from
the
commercial
part,
can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
about
why
you're
able
to
get
that
from
residential
and
not
so
much
from
commercial,
because
I
think
it's
pretty
well
known
in
our
community
that
there
is
an
imbalance
and
to
learn
now
that
that
not
as
forthcoming,
I
believe,
is
the
term
you
used
when
it
comes
to
commercial.
B
Yes,
councilman
sanchez,
I
will
first
of
all,
let
me
say
one
thing
that
really
helps
us
with
the
residential
property.
Is
we
have
access
to
the
mls
sales?
So
we
share
our
sales.
Information
mls
shares
their
information
with
us,
but
that
does
not
include
the
commercial
the
commercial
we
have
to.
We
have
to
go
out
and
we
have
to
ask
for
the
information.
B
Commercial
is
they're,
much
more
astute
they.
This
is.
They
have
people
who
are
paid
to
to
manage
their
property
taxes
and
they're
aware
of
the
laws.
When
we
asked
somebody
on
a
form,
how
much
did
you
pay
for
your
house
on
it
on
we'll,
say,
homer's
exemption
form?
They'll
just
say
I
paid
375
000
commercial.
They
wouldn't
even
answer
that
at
all
and
commercial.
The
way
we
value
commercial
is
more
on
the
income
approach,
so
you
have
to
get
income
information
and,
of
course,
they're
very
reluctant
to
sell
that.
B
So,
an
answer
to
your
question
information
is
a
lot
more
free-flowing
on
the
residential
side
than
it
is
on
the
commercial
side
and
that's
why
it's
it's
much
more
difficult.
Madam
mayor.
A
F
Sir,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
One
of
the
things
I
think
that
people
need
the
people
who
are
trying
to
get
their
head
around
their
property
tax
bill,
and
particularly
the
changes
in
it
need
to
understand
is
the
relationship
between
commercial
and
residential
properties,
and
so
you
walked
us
through
36.4
billion
in
taxable
residential
value
in
boise,
and
you
explained
that
that's
85
000
parcels
and
then
you'd
explain
that
there's
been
a
median
increase
in
that
value,
so
median
spread
across
everyone
of
about
25,
but
that's
only
on
the
residential
side.
B
Yes,
I
was
just
going
to
get
into
the
the
commercial
in
just
a
moment.
If
I
may,
I
just
want
to.
A
Just
no
sir,
just
second,
the
council
president,
has
a
question:
okay,.
B
G
You
go
on
to
the
commercial
and
maybe
you'll
answer
this.
When
you
talk
about
commercial,
I
think
I
heard
you
say
early
on
that
the
valuations
on
residential
property
are
close
to
98
of
what
you
think
the
valuation
will
be,
but
commercial
is
only
92
or
93
percent.
G
Wonder
if
you
could
explain
that
disparity
and
explain,
especially
in
a
time
when
prices
are
increasing
so
fast
that
you'd
be
so
close
to
the
hundred
percent
on
residential
when
residential
is
the
property
that's
experiencing
the
shift
in
tax
burden.
B
Yes,
first
of
all,
it's
last
year,
there's
going
to
be
a
slight
digression.
Last
year
for
the
the
first
time
the
commercial
and
residential
were
both
about
95
94,
and
we
were,
we
thought,
that's
the
way
it
should
be.
The
commercial
or
residential
is
going
to
be
again
this
year.
Commercial
is
actually
going
up
significantly
more,
I
say.
Typically
in
the
past,
commercial
goes
up
about
four
percent.
B
We're
increasing
commercial
about
11
and
commercial
is
a
very
different
market,
very,
very
different
market
than
the
residential,
and
why
don't
we
just
go
and
we'll
go
into
that
I'll
save
these
other
marks.
If
we
have
some
extra
extra
time
here,
okay,
commercial
is
nine
nine
just
about
10
billion
dollars,
there's
about
a
19
and
a
half
percent
increase
this
year
in
the
commercial
median
change
in
value
is
11.5
percent
and
that's
the
median
value
there's
on
residential
property.
B
The
present
the
the
the
percent
change
in
residential
property,
literally
from
the
300
dollar,
parcel
to
the
three
million
dollar
parcel
they're
all
experiencing
about
a
25
about
20
25
increase.
It's
it's
a
very
narrow
range
on
on
the
the
percent
changes
and
the
different
pricing
levels.
Commercial
is
very
different.
This
year,
commercial
properties
in
the
oh,
like
restaurants,
in
the
service
industries,
they
are
really
struggling.
I
don't
have
what
those
what
those
values
are,
but
they're
really
struggling.
They're
they're,
not
nearly
as
as
high
as
11.
B
On
the
other
hand,
departments
are
going
to
see
the
way
we're
looking
at
right
now
is
a
a
significant
increase,
probably
maybe
30
percent
increase.
I've
never
seen
a
commercial
increase
like
that
before,
but
the
appraiser
has
the
data.
Now.
Why
is
it
that
commercial
residential
will
say
is
it?
Is
that
98
and
commercial?
Is
it
93
94.?
B
My
appraisers
are
very
reluctant
to
to
change
values
without
the
data,
and
this
gets
to
be
very
problematic.
We
had
a
a
an
area.
Last
year,
all
million-dollar
homes
over
a
million
dollar
homes
and
the
values
had
not
been
going
up
just
been
creeping
up
over
a
period
about
three
or
four
years,
and
they
appealed
the
whole
subdivision
appealed
because
they
went
up
more
than
neighboring
communities
went
up
well,
the
neighboring
communities.
B
B
There
weren't
any
sales
for
several
years,
and
so
when
an
appraiser
goes
in
to
defend
an
appeal,
and
they
don't
have
anything
to
compare
it
with
they're
much
more
reluctant
to
be
real
aggressive
on
that.
But
this
is
something
that
that
we've
we're
correcting
this
year,
and
that
is
that
no
appraiser
can
just
let
the
area
just
go
without
changes.
B
Now.
Also,
I'm
going
to
to
say
this
that
we're
also
asking
our
commercial
appraisers
to
be
to
be.
You
know
I
don't
want
to
say
aggressive,
I
think,
might
be
sound
like
a
bit
of
pune
a
bit
punitive.
It's
not
that
at
all,
but
I
guess
take
a
little
more
risk
go
a
little
bit
higher
percentage,
knowing
that
you're
going
to
get
get
some
pushback.
G
Thank
you.
It
did.
I
just
know
that
our
residents
are
going
to
be
continue
to
be
concerned
about
the
shift
from
commercial
to
residential
in
terms
of
the
overall
tax
burden.
Yes,
and
want
to
understand
what,
if
any
tools
you
have,
that
might
help
us
ameliorate,
that
a
bit.
B
Yeah,
I
I
hope
I've
given
you
enough,
if
not,
I
could
always
get
we
could
get
back.
I
could
work
with
eric
with
an
explanation
and.
C
A
B
B
B
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
I
had
40
minutes,
I'm
sorry.
I
wasn't
aware
that
it
was
both
eric
and
myself.
So
we'll
talk
about
tax
burden.
That's
that's
is
really
interesting.
Residential
tax
burden
in
boise
city
is
68,
and
that
is
up
from
65
percent
last
year.
So
there's
definitely
a
shift
there.
B
That's
going
up,
but
one
reason
why
there's
that
the
difference
between
tax,
the
tax
burden
between
residential
and
commercial,
some
of
it
really
makes
a
lot
of
sense
when,
when
you
look
at
it
in
context,
so
for
example,
we
have
just
about
85
000
residential
parcels
in
in
boise
city,
that
is
seven
and
a
half
times
the
number
of
commercial
properties
in
boise
city,
again,
seven
and
a
half
times
so
you
have
a
lot
more
residential
property
than
you
have
commercial
property.
B
So
that
is
a
big
factor
explaining
that
and
also
we've
got
residential's
33
billion
commercials,
10
and
a
half
billion,
so
you've
got
three
times
the
value
in
residential
property.
So
it's
the
increasing
value,
that's
causing
that
do
that
departure
between
commercial
and
residential
during
the
recession
of
2007-2008,
they
were
very,
very
close
residential
and
commercial
property.
B
Do
exemptions
play
a
part
yeah?
They
do
exemptions,
don't
play
a
part,
but
I
would
also
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
homeowner's
exemption
is
61
of
the
total
exemptions
in
the
county,
so
that
that's
a
big
number.
B
I
just
want
to
end
up
this
discussion
with
one
thing:
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
what
we're
talking
about
before,
and
that
is
that
are
we
at
97
percent
in
94
or
last
year,
94
for
both
residential
commercial
to
me,
the
more
important
thing
is
the
level
of
asses
of
assessment.
Are
we
all
at
97
or
98,
so
we
moved
down
to
93
with
commercial?
That
really
was
not
acceptable
and
that's
another
reason
why
we're
really
wanting
to
see
that
level
of
assessment
on
commercial
get
up
there.
B
So,
madam
mayor
council,
president,
that's
all
those
are
all
my
comments
this
this
year
and
thank
you
so
much
for
your
patience
and
I'll
stick
around
for
a
few
minutes.
If,
if
you
want
me
to
for
for
follow-up
questions
after
eric.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council.
I
have
a
slide
deck
I'll,
I'm
going
to
go
through
it
relatively
quickly.
Some
of
these
points
the
assessor
made,
is
that
a
little
better,
thank
you
and
we're
going
to
pull
up
the
deck
in
a
moment
as
that's
going
through
I'll
just
I'll
just
speak.
D
D
The
legislature
has
the
goal
of
having
all
local
agencies
report
all
of
their
financial
information,
in
the
hope
that
having
it
in
a
central
repository
will
lead
to
some
sort
of
financial
savings
down
the
line.
D
D
D
Take
state
funds
in
return
for
a
future
payment
on
their
property
tax
and
then
the
the
largest
thing
house
bill
389,
and
we
can
talk
about
this-
maybe
in
another
setting
had
numerous
impacts
to
property
tax
law,
one
of
which
the
assessor
mentioned
was
the
increase
to
homeowners
exemption.
There
were
also
several
several
elements
of
that
law
that
will
reduce
collections
for
municipalities.
D
The
assessor
talked
about
this
point,
so
I
won't
belabor
it.
But
overall
city
collections
on
property
taxes
are
capped
at
three
percent
on
a
year-over-year
basis
for
base
collections,
plus
an
allowance
for
new
construction
and
annexation.
D
So
when
any
individual
property
owner
sees
very
significant,
year-over-year
increases
on
their
property
taxes
that
doesn't
correlate
to
the
same
level
or
same
percentage
of
increase
on
city
collections.
I
think
that's
just
an
important
note
and
one
that
we
get
questions
about
quite
a
lot
really.
What
that
represents
is
that
individual
property
owners,
slice
of
the
overall
property
tax
pie
increasing.
D
As
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
look
back
at
the
last
five
years
at
the
average
year-over-year
collection
and
property
tax
is
approximately
four
percent.
D
Just
a
handful
of
quick
statistics
to
build
upon
the
points
made
by
the
assessor
over
the
last
several
years.
Over
the
last
five
years,
residential
on
average
has
increased
within
the
city
of
boise
by
about
17
and
a
half
percent,
whereas
commercial.
This
is,
these
numbers
are
net
of
new
construction.
Commercial
has
increased
by
about
nine
percent.
D
D
Using
the
most
recent
numbers
provided
by
the
assessor,
the
average
home
is
four
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
dollars,
even
with
the
125
000
homeowners
exemption.
73
of
that
home
is
subject
to
property
tax.
D
It
would
be
approximately
150
000
going
into
fiscal
year
22,
which
would
reduce
the
amount
of
that
same
average
home
in
fiscal
year.
22
subject
to
taxation
from
73
percent
to
67
percent.
G
And
real
quickly
eric
the
homeowner's
exemption,
if
I
remember
correctly
from
a
policy
standpoint,
at
average,
value
was
supposed
to
equal
50
of
the
value
exempt
up
to
50,
and
so
at
73.
We've
lost
25
percent
of
the
value
of
the
exemption.
Essentially
with
this
run-up
is
that
correct,
yeah.
D
I
think
the
original
intent,
as
I
understand
it,
of
the
homeowner's
exemption
was
it
was
a
hundred
thousand
or
fifty
percent
of
the
home
value.
Obviously,
an
ada
county
with
home
value
is
much
higher
than
that.
D
It
hasn't
attracted
that
an
important
note
to
make
is
that
within
the
city
of
boise
and
in
many
other
areas
throughout
the
state,
we
can
expect
property
taxes
to
increase
when
the
bills
are
received
later
on
this
calendar
year
and
that's
regardless
of
the
amount
of
increase
or
not
no
increase
taken
in
the
budget
by
whatever
missile
we're
talking
about
one
time.
D
Relief
was
available
in
fiscal
year
21
through
the
governor's
property
tax
relief
program,
which
was
available
to
the
city
of
boise,
because
the
city
council
did
not
increase
property
taxes
as
part
of
this,
this
past
fiscal
year
process
that
one
time
relief
will
be
rolling
off
as
part
of
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
So
not
only
did
the
city
of
boise
participate
in
that
program,
but
also
ada
county,
so
the
relief
from
both
of
those
agencies,
of
which
all
homeowners
and
boise
pay
property
taxes
to
both
will
be
rolling
off.
D
The
other
thing
is,
we
are
going
to
continue
to
see
burden
shift
from
commercial
to
residential
again
due
to
the
diminishing
value
of
the
homeowners
exemption,
and
then
we're
seeing
rapid
escalation
and
the
rate
of
residential
assessment
increases
I'm
going
to
provide
a
preview.
This
will
be
the
last
slide.
Then
I
can
stand
for
any
questions
of
the
average
homeowner
analysis
that
we
frequently
show
in
our
budget
document
and
I've
shown
in
budget
workshops
in
the
past.
D
D
So
on
line
two,
you
can
see
that
the
average
home
year
over
year
increased
by
29.6
from
351
000
all
the
way
up
to
455
000.,
the
homeowner's
exemption
on
line
3
increased
by
25
from
100
125
000,
but
you
can
see
that
the
taxable
value
on
the
next
line
increased
by
31.5,
the
increase
in
the
homeowner's
exemption
did
not
keep
up
with
the
increase
in
the
assessed
value.
D
You
can
see
the
levy
rate
on
line
five
increasing
by
about
4.1
percent,
and
then
you
can
see
city
taxes
on
line
six
going
up
by
36.9.
D
Now,
if
you
look
down
below,
you
can
see
really
what's
driving
that.
So
we
do
an
analysis
to
see.
You
know
what
the
increase
in
taxes
would
be,
with
a
three
percent
increase
and
with
no
no
increase
and
to
look
at
the
factors
for
that,
and
you
can
see
I'll
skip
to
the
bottom,
that
online
14
the
taxes
on
that
average
home
would
go
up
by
368,
regardless
of
any
action
that
the
city
could
take
on
the
right
you
can
see
what's
driving
that
about.
D
225
of
that
is
the
rolling
off
of
the
one-time
relief
that
was
available
within
the
current
fiscal
year.
The
other
141
dollars
is
burden
shift
again
attributable
to
the
diminishing
value
of
the
homeowners
exemption
and
the
rapid
rate
of
growth
on
residential
properties
as
compared
to
the
commercial
properties.
H
What
a
mayor
thank
you
so
much
eric
and
bob
for
that
presentation.
I
think
it
offered
a
lot
of
clarity.
I
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
One
of
them
is
around
the
personal
property
tax
exemption,
which
used
to
be
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year,
and
now
that's
up
to
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars.
How
did
that
impact
commercial
taxes?
Do
we
have
any
preliminary
numbers
on
that.
D
Council,
member
I'll
take
a
stab
at
that,
as
I
understand
it
under
house
bill
389,
the
increase
to
the
personal
property
exemption
should
not
impact
or
should
not
should
not
exacerbate
that
shift,
because
the
the
relief
that
is
being
provided
to
commercial
payers
through
that
increase
is
being
offset
by
the
state.
A
Do
it
in
the
round
up
afterwards
anything
else
before
we
great?
Thank
you
both
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
eric
that
last
slide
that
you
had.
Will
you
bring
back
again
just
to
remind
us,
I
thought
it
was
pretty
impactful
to
see
that
we'd
just
be
saving
the
average
homeowner
45
because
of
the
shifts,
if
you
took
zero
percent.
Absolutely
thanks
thanks
all
right.
Thank
you
bob.
It
was
good
to
see
you
look
forward
to
seeing
you
in
person
at
some
point.
A
C
I
But
before
we
dive
too
far
in-
and
I
would
like
to
take
a
second
to
remind
everyone
of
the
green
belt
and
that
it
took
50
years
to
build
the
pathway
that
we
enjoy
today
and
that
it
all
started
with
a
plan.
Our
direction
has
been
to
build
off
the
legacy
of
the
green
belt
and
to
be
to
develop
a
plan,
that's
forward
thinking
that
provides
an
actionable
strategy
to
expand
pathways
across
the
city
of
boise.
I
In
order
to
do
that,
we
need
a
plan.
That's
going
to
identify
a
network
of
non-motorized
off-street
pathways,
so
folks
across
the
city,
we're
hoping
that
our
plan
will
be
able
to
provide
implementation
and
policy
recommendations
so
that
our
plan
has
like
longevity
into
the
future,
we'll
be
working
to
propose
various
pathways
design.
So
we
understand
the
level
of
effort
needed
to
implement
this
system
and
then
at
the
end
we
hope
to
have
a
prioritized
list
of
pathway
segments.
So
we
can
begin
implementation
as
soon
as
the
plan
is
adopted.
J
Okay,
so
far
with
our
work
group
and
the
city
team,
our
consultant
team
and
all
the
feedback
we've
gathered
from
the
public
so
far,
we've
been
able
to
put
together
some
draft
goals
for
the
system.
We've
reviewed
the
pathway
system
past
and
present
and
then
had
that
first
round
of
outreach,
which
we
just
closed
out
a
couple
weeks
ago.
J
I
Thanks
free
so
and
when
we
were
so,
we
did
a
review
of
the
past
pathway.
So
we
looked
through
all
our
plans
and
that's
kind
of
the
interesting
thing
when
we
found
that
mile
number
in
1976
and
then
we
worked
with
our
community
to
identify
those
future
goals
for
the
pathway
system.
But
we
wanted
to
look
at
what
is
our
pathway
system
like
today?
You'll
see
the
shared
use
path
picture
is
probably
our
most
known
pathway,
the
green
belt.
I
It's
about
it's
a
paved
path,
10
to
12
feet
wide
that
accommodates
two-way
travel.
We
also
have
some
pathways
that
are
within
or
adjacent
to
roads,
but
separated
from
the
roadway,
such
as
the
side
path
picture,
which
is
the
federal
way
bikeway.
We
also
have
some
of
those
on
long
hill
road
and
then
we
have
all
across
the
city
unimproved
paths,
whether
formal
or
informal,
usually
along
a
corridor.
I
I
So
we
did
some
gis
analysis
to
understand
the
city's,
our
city's
resident's
proximity
to
pathways,
and
we
were
able
to
find
that
about.
10
percent
of
boiseians
live
within
a
half
mile
of
a
pathway,
and
we
use
this
doing
gis
and
census
data
you'll
see
the
lime
green
buffer.
I
We
also
wanted
to
understand
pathway
need
across
the
city,
so
again
doing
some
gis
analysis.
Looking
at
census
information,
we
analyze
various,
we
analyze
several
variables
that
indicate,
maybe
a
perhaps
a
greater
need
for
a
pathway,
whether
it's
vehicle
access
or
age,
if
you're
a
vulnerable
user,
and
so
we
were
able
to
create
layer
all
of
those
indicators
and
create
you
know
a
gradient
of
high
to
low
need
for
pathway,
and
we
were
able
to
identify
a
couple
areas
within
the
city
that
we
think
would
benefit
greatly
from
increased
access.
I
We
have
them
circled
here
in
yellow,
for
example,
near
borah.
High
school
would
be
one
of
those
higher
need
areas,
and
we
did
actually
quite
a
bit
of
analysis
that
will
definitely
be
in
the
final
plan,
but
the
goal
of
all
that
analysis
was
yeah.
This
is
interesting
to
know,
but
as
we
build
our
system,
one
of
the
strengths
opportunities
weaknesses
and
challenges
we're
going
to
face,
I
think
we're
all
aware
that
the
greenbelt
is
a
strength.
I
We
have
this
great
regional
system
that
connects,
and
so
how
can
we
continue
to
build
off
of
that
strength
as
we
build
out
the
network?
There's
a
lot
of
great
opportunities,
and
that's
probably
the
reason
why
we're
working
on
this
plan
and
we
have
the
ability
to
create
partnerships
with
the
ada
county
highway
district,
whether
it's
connecting
to
on-street
facilities
or
really
looking
within
or
right
away,
and
also
leveraging
partnerships
with
private
development,
as
the
city
builds
out.
I
How
can
we
make
sure
that
we're
accessing
those
pathways,
of
course,
there's
weaknesses
that
we're
going
to
have
to
overcome?
We
have
fragmented
networks
now
which
have
limited
utility
if
you're
looking
to
commute
somewhere
or
even
recreate,
if
it's
a
short
fragment.
So
we
know
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
that
to
fill
those
gaps
and
then
there's
going
to
be
challenges
that
you
know
we
can
address
in
the
plan,
but
they're
going
to
be
challenges
as
we
move
into
implementation,
so
the
geographic
challenge
of
the
west
bench.
I
How
do
we
get
down
the
hill
through
garden
city
to
the
greenbelt
challenges
of
just
working
with
our
irrigation
districts?
To
make
sure
that
if
we
do
have
a
pathway
along
the
irrigation
district
that
it's
safe
for
all
users
and
that
the
district
can
continue
their
operations,
and
so
we
wanted
to
understand
our
current
system,
but
we
also
wanted
to
really
work
with
our
community
to
understand
what
their
vision
is
for,
how
our
pathway
system
should
go,
grow
and
change.
I
We
had
several
outreach
opportunities
within
the
spring.
We
had
an
online
survey
web
map
and
community
meetings.
Our
online
outreach
was
open
for
five
weeks
and
we
had
a
great
response
rate.
We
had
over
2000
responses
to
the
survey
about
a
thousand
interactions
on
our
web
map,
which
is
really
great.
We
asked
people,
you
know,
drop
a
pinpoint
draw
a
line
of
where
you
would
want
to
go,
so
that
was
great
feedback
and
that
online
outreach
was
really
to
understand.
Current
pathway
use
how
people
behave
so
their
transportation
behavior.
I
How
do
they
get
to
school?
So
we
just
understand
better
about
how
people
are
using
pathways
or
want
to
use
pathways
and
then
address
some
of
those
barriers.
Then
what
we
were
really
happy
about
was
we
wanted
to
have
a
more
informal
conversation
with
our
community
about
their
vision.
So
we
hosted
four
community
meetings,
two
online,
two
in
person,
which
I
think
we
all
felt
after
this
year
of
doing
a
lot
of
online
stuff.
I
It
was
really
great
to
like
be
out
in
the
park
and
see
people
face
to
face,
and
we
were
lucky
enough
to
have
a
couple
council
members
in
the
mayor
there
too.
So
I
think
it
was
greatly
appreciated
to
have
that
interaction
and
honestly,
the
feedback
we
heard
was
largely
positive.
I
They
can
connect
to
the
grocery
store
their
schools
and
with
that,
the
idea
that
they
could
connect
and
not
have
to
rely
on
a
car-
and
you
know
not
having
to
rely
on
a
car-
is
less
driving
less
traffic
and
people
are
really
happy
about
that
and
this
that
this
could
actually
be
present
a
real
transportation
choice.
If
we
expand
the
network,
you
know,
but
we
also
wanted
to
hear
from
our
community
to
understand
what
some
concerns
are,
what
they
see
and
their
challenges
that
they
see
as
we
build.
This
out.
I
I
Building
off
of
that,
we
heard
a
lot
of
comments
about
azure
city's
growing
and,
as
more
people
are
turning
towards
our
pathway
system
that
there's
a
need
for
making
sure
all
users
are
respectful,
whether
you're
a
commuter
driving
to
work
or
biking
to
work
or
you're,
a
eight-year-old
learning
how
to
bike
that
it's
comfortable
and
that
you're
respectful
of
all
users
on
that
pathway.
And
then,
of
course,
I
think
our
community
is
aware
that
there
are
going
to
be
challenges
about
increasing
access
to
pathways.
I
E
Madam
mayor,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
The
folks
who
were
giving
this
feedback
did
was
there
a
way
to
tell
if
there
are
folks
who
are
currently
using
bicycles
to
get
around,
or
if
these
are
folks
or
is
it
a
mix
of
folks
who
currently
haven't
embraced
that
transportation
option.
I
Yeah,
madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez,
yes,
we
did
ask
in
our
online
survey.
We
we
asked
in
our
online
survey
and
then
we
also
asked
a
separate
question
in
person.
We
first
asked
where
they
were
from
in
the
city,
so
to
understand
that
access
to
pathways
and
then
we
did
we're
able
to
that's
right
like
pivot
the
data
I'm
thinking
of
a
pivot
table,
but
we're
able
to
look
at,
we
ask.
How
often
do
you
use
our
pathway
system?
I
J
Okay,
the
next
steps
in
the
pathway
plan
will
be
to
draft
a
network
of
pathways.
What
will
it
physically
look
like?
Where
would
they
be
someday
any
supporting
policy
recommendations
that
the
city
would
have
to
implement
to
start
building
these
pathways
segment?
Prioritization
based
on
all
of
the
input?
We
got
all
the
lines
on
the
map
and
our
consultants,
geographic
analysis.
K
You
know
this
last
year,
one
of
the
tough
parts
about
being
a
new
city
council
member
is
you,
didn't,
really
get
to
meet
and
work
with
a
lot
of
different
staff,
and
this
was
sort
of
my
first
experience
to
really
team
up
with
lana,
deanna,
bree
and
elizabeth
who's,
not
here
as
well
and
so
being
able
to
interact
with
you
and
the
public
was
really
exciting
for
me
and
it
was
really
cool
to
go
to
the
public
meetings
and
see
how
excited
people
were
about
engaging
with
all
of
you
and
the
different
ideas
that
they
were
bringing
to
the
table,
and
I've
been
involved
with
a
lot
of
public
outreach
before
in
the
past.
K
Usually
you
know
there's
one
or
two
people
in
each
session
who
are
fired
up
about
something
and
aren't
on
board
with
the
plan
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons.
To
me
this
was
sort
of
like
an
opposite
feeling
where
everybody
was
on
board
for
the
plan
for
a
variety
of
different
reasons,
whether
they
had
just
moved
here,
they'd
been
here
for
a
long
time.
They
were
a
walker,
a
biker
whatever
it
may
be,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
job
well
done
up
to
this
point.
It's
been
exciting
to
work
with
you.
G
Mayor,
yes,
I
want
to
thank
staff,
you
know
in
a
year
when
it
was
really
hard
to
reach
people.
I
think
there
was
a
unprecedented
amount
about
of
response
to
the
outreach
on
this.
I
know
a
lot
of
it
was
due
to
your
hard
work.
G
So
thanks
for
that,
I
think
the
challenge
before
us
is
going
to
be
the
implementation
and
we're
going
to
need
everybody
on
board
both
to
figure
out
how
to
pay
for
it,
but
also
how
to
overcome
some
of
those
really
big
barriers,
especially
the
safety
along
canal
banks,
but
knowing
how
much
support
this
effort
seems
to
have,
I
think
I
think
we're
up
to
it.
So
thanks
everyone,
vladimir.
H
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
echo
job
well
done
and
ask:
has
the
kind
of
initial
outreach
to
the
canal?
Companies
already
started
to
happen,
or
is
that
something
that
will
happen
later
once
the
plans
kind
of
fleshed
out
a
little
bit
more.
J
Madam
mayor
council,
member
woodings
deanna
and
I
have
visited
in
person
with
the
canal
a
couple
of
the
canal
companies
to
share
information
on
the
plan,
and
one
of
them
is
represented
on
our
work
group
that
we've
worked
with
throughout
this
process,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
their
concerns
are
always
addressed.
That's.
A
Great,
thank
you
both.
This
is
super
exciting.
I
know
that
they
have
been
appreciated
the
involvement
of
council
members
and
also
the
involvement
of
the
public
that
really
has
remained
high
throughout
all
of
this.
So
thanks
for
the
work
look
forward
to
what's
next,
thank
you
all
righty.
We
are
going
to
move
on
now
to
welcome
wendy
hello
wendy
through
zoom
to
the
zoning
update.
I
think
I
also
saw
don
elliott
on
there
somewhere
out
there.
So
he's
joined
us
and
why
don't
you
just
take
it
away.
L
Oh
and
thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
indeed,
you
get
both
don
and
I
today
so
today,
I'm
going
to
be
giving
you
a
very
brief
update
on
the
status
of
the
zoning
code,
rewrite
project
and
then
don
elliott
with
clarion
associates
is
going
to
take
us
into
a
few
more
of
the
details
that
many
of
you
have
asked
about
our
module
2,
which
is
our
upcoming
work.
L
As
you
remember,
the
project
overview,
which
has
stayed
very
stable.
The
goal
of
the
project
is
to
replace
our
55
year
old
zoning
code,
we're
implementing
blueprint
boise,
which
of
course,
is
our
comprehensive
plan,
as
well
as
backing
up
our
overall
mission
goals
and
vision
around
the
city
for
everybody.
Our
hope
is
to
fully
engage
the
community
and
really
turn
our
code
into
something
that
is
user
friendly
is
better
organized
incentivizes,
great
design,
as
well
as
more
streamlined
through
the
development
process.
L
L
The
bulk
of
this
phase
will
create
the
the
consolidated
draft
zone,
the
draft
zoning
code,
which
will
be
released
in
phase
four
along
with
the
updated
zoning
map
and
phase.
Five
is
our
final
revision
as
well
as
adoption
to
lay
this
out
on
a
timeline
right
now
we
have
completed
our
module
one
for
public
input
and
we're
beginning
our
public
input
process
this
week,
actually
so
that
we
can
garner
input
from
people
across
the
city
in
all
walks
of
life.
L
Phase
three
will
continue
throughout
the
course
of
this
calendar
year
and
we're
targeting
a
full
public
draft
to
be
released
in
phase
four
at
the
beginning
of
next
year.
Deep
in
the
winter
of
fy22,
the
project
health
remains
solid,
we're
on
scope,
schedule
and
budget.
We
are
on
track
still
to
have
an
adopted
code
as
of
december
of
2022.
L
Our
recent
deliverables
have
come
out
both
in
memo
as
as
well
as
being
available
to
the
public.
Our
survey
two,
where
we
reached
out
across
the
city
to
residents
and
got
their
input
about
changes
as
well
as
module
one
itself,
so
those
two
released
were
released
on
april
22nd
to
the
public
and
then
our
next
deliverable.
L
We
expect
that
to
be
released
to
the
public
as
of
august
23rd,
and
that
will
be
our
module
two
public
draft
before
I
turn
it
over
to
don
to
talk
about
module
two
and
where
we're
going
with
the
project.
I
want
to
brief
you
on
module
one.
As
you
recall,
module
one
is
around
our
zoning
districts
and
our
uses.
So
this
is
where
we're
re-looking
at
the
zoning
districts
across
the
whole
city
and
making
sure
that
we
have
a
modern
take
on
what's
allowed
in
each
zone.
L
Looking
at
the
overlays
any
type
of
unique
land
controls
that
we
have
in
those
as
well
as
design
standards
at
the
highest
level.
There
are
some
major
differences
to
our
current
code.
The
first
and
probably
most
noticeable
thing
is
that
we
have
condensed
our
zones
into
fewer
and
we've
renamed
them
to
be
more
applicable
to
what's
in
the
zone.
L
We
will
also
allow
more
small-scale
commercial
in
some
of
the
residential
zones
and
we're
creating
some
new
zones
that
allowed
mixed-use
development.
These
summary
points
on
the
major
differences
on
module.
One
is
what
we'll
be
taking
out
to
the
city,
so
across
the
city,
we
are
reaching
out
on
various
different
methods
to
make
sure
that
we
are
spreading
the
word
about
the
new
zoning
module
one.
We
have
several
different
zoom
meetings.
We
have
several
different
in
park
meetings,
similar
to
what
deanna
just
mentioned
about
pathways,
we're
very
excited
to
get
outside.
L
So
these
these
meetings
will
begin
starting
on
friday
and
they
will
once
again
be
a
mix
of
zoom
meetings
as
well
as
in
person
in
the
park.
For
those
that
want
a
specific
discussion
on
the
modules,
then
we
have
office
hours
that
are
open
office
hours
with
a
planner.
Everyone
can
sign
up
online
as
well
as
another
community-wide
survey,
and
all
of
this
information
is
up
on
our
public
website
for
the
project.
L
I
would
ask
that
if
you
have
any
questions
of
me,
we
pause
until
the
end,
so
that
dawn
can
speak
to
module
two
on
significantly
more
detail.
Don.
M
Yes,
thank
you
and
it's
great
to
be
there
virtually
and
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
be
there
in
person
in
the
not
too
distant
future.
So
I
I
was
able
to
appear
it's
almost
a
year
and
a
half
now
at
one
point
before
council
at
that
point,
and
I
look
forward
to
doing
it
again.
You
are
ahead
of
schedule.
This
is
amazing.
This
is
wonderful,
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
hit
some
highlights
about
things
that
you
may
be
getting
questions
on,
or
you
have
concerns
about.
M
M
It
has
been
very
clear
and
highlighted
many
times
the
the
I,
the
vision
of
a
city
for
everyone
and
it's
hot
all
around
the
country,
but
particularly
in
boise
right
now,
housing
options
which
has
been
a
tar
discussion
from
the
very
beginning
of
this
project,
building
form
controls,
neighborhood
protection
for
the
character
of
existing
neighborhoods,
and
then
the
user
friendliness
of
the
old
code,
we'll
just
wind
up
on
that.
So
next
inclusion
and
equity.
I
wanted
to
just
make
one
major
point.
M
Maybe
it'll
be
a
topic
of
discussion
later
on
often
when
you
talk
about
when
people
have
been
talking
much
more
about
equity
in
the
past
few
years,
and
particularly
the
past
year
and
and
frankly,
focusing
on
a
very
key
fact,
which
is
zoning
can
easily
be
used
to
reinforce
exclusion
and
to
limit
mobility.
M
Those
are
very
important
topics
and
we've
tried
to
make
them
a
a
a
substantial
part
of
our
work
today
with
the
citywide
advisory
committee.
Often
that
conversation
focuses
on
process.
We
just
need
to
get
people
to
the
table,
we're
not
doing
a
good
enough
job
of
getting
a
diverse
group
of
people,
income
wise
ethnically.
M
Historically,
we
we
just
need
more
different
voices
at
the
table
that
is
clearly
true
and
and
frankly,
to
go
beyond
it
and
in
some
ways
to
make
sure
that
the
voices
that
you
know
from
side
conversations
from
neighborhood
interactions
from
other
things
that
are
not
showing
up
in
the
public
record,
get
on
the
public
record.
People
are
concerned
about
this,
and
we've
tried
to
do
that
and
we'll
continue.
M
But
I
wanted
to
make
the
second
point,
which
is
that
that's
not
enough
the
rules
in
the
ordinance
itself,
the
uses
that
are
permitted
and
and
how
much
review
they
get,
and
the
quality
of
connectedness
in
the
communities
and
landscaping
and
parking
and
everything
else
and
the
process
by
which
decisions
are
made
in
boise
are
just
as
important.
I
often
feel
like
it's
it's
kind
of
a
cop-out.
M
So
we're
trying
to
keep
the
focus
not
just
on
process,
which
is
very
important,
but
to
say
no
no
focus
on
inclusiveness
in
the
substance
of
the
ordinance
as
well.
That
is
equally
or
more
important,
not
I
wouldn't
say
more
important.
It's
equally
important!
Don't
quit
when
you
focus
on
for
on
process
get
to
the
substance.
Next,
one
wendy
housing
options,
no
secrets
to
all
of
you.
You
had
some
very
difficult
decisions
to
make
earlier
on
on
the
housing
bonus
ordinance.
M
Obviously,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that,
whenever
we're
questioned
on
this,
the
answer
is
read
blueprint,
boise,
it's
very
clear
and
if
anything,
the
need
to
help
create
housing
for
everyone
is
even
more
challenging
than
it
was
back
when
blueprint
boise
was
adopted.
So
this
is
not
something
that's
made
up,
it's
not
from
out
of
town,
it's
not
only
because
of
influx
in
the
past
few
years.
This
was
part
of
boise's
vision
for
a
long
time,
and
the
need
has
only
gotten
greater.
M
I
want
to
highlight
what
will
what
may
be
a
topic
of
discussion,
many
in
many
communities,
and
that
is,
as
wendy
said,
allowing
more
types
of
housing
in
more
neighborhoods.
Let's
just
call
it
for
what
it
is.
There
are
many
changes
proposed
in
the
code
in
the
draft
one
module
and
they're
footnoted.
Where
is
it
changed?
M
Well,
those
are
footnoted
among
them
are
allowing
duplex,
triplex
and
fourplex
homes
in
the
current
r1,
a
b
and
c
districts,
the
current
ones
I
mean
we
don't
have
a
new
r18
going
forward,
but
those
lands
that
are
now
in
r1
a
b
and
c
subject.
Two
and
there's
both
things
going
on
here
there,
the
draft
says,
allow
them.
M
There
are
lots
of
controls,
I
would
say,
even
perhaps
more
than
we
see
in
some
other
cities
where
we're
working
on
this
issue
to
say
it's
gotta
fit
in,
and
you
can't
just
buy
a
bunch
of
blocks
and
make
big
stuff
that
would
still
go
to
the
planning
commission,
but
in
terms
of
individual
structures
loosening
up
on
on
how
many
units
could
be
in
there.
Yes,
there's
still
parking,
yes,
there's
open
space,
yes,
there's
the
usual
controls
on
impacts,
but
I
want
to
put
my
I
want
to
ensure
the
council
understands
the
significance
of
this.
M
It's
really
important
and
it's
something
many
cities
are
struggling
with.
Don't
just
envision.
Somebody
coming
in
and
building
something
new.
The
proposal
on
the
table
is,
it
becomes
a
permitted
use.
If
your
current
single
family
house
could
it
does
meet
these
standards,
it
could
be
a
duplex,
it's
not
all
new
construction.
M
You
could
change
that
if
you'd
like
in
your
public
discussions,
but
I'm
trying
to
shine
a
spotlight
on
it,
it
is
also
one
of
the
most
powerful
things
you
can
do
for
affordability,
because
it
doesn't
count
on
a
broad
new
construction
center
and
building
yourself
out
of
this.
This
takes
advantage
of
your
current
housing
stock
with
the
left
hand
and
says
we
could
house
more
people
and
with
the
right
hand,
it
says
if
it
fits
in
with
the
character
of
those
neighborhoods.
M
Next
next
slide,
building
form
has
had
a
lot
of
discussion
for
those
who
are
not.
Zoning
geeks
building
form
just
means
focusing
a
little
bit
more
on
the
fit,
not
only
residential,
I'm
not
going
to
beat
that
drum
anymore,
but
even
in
commercial
and
mixed
use
areas,
institutional
areas
making
sure
the
building
fits
in
with
the
context
better
than
it
did
in
the
old
code
and,
better
frankly
than
all
old
zoning
ordinances.
M
That
say
we
should
allow
more
flexibility
in
how
these
buildings
are
used
over
time
and
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
whether
they
fit
in
and
will
age
well
and
be
something
the
city
is
proud
of
over
the
long
term.
Now
there
are
lots
of
ways
we're
doing
this.
As
we
said
earlier,
lightening
up
on
uses.
I
just
walked
through
the
and
wendy
mentioned
more
types
of
housing
and
more
places,
but
it's
not
just
housing.
M
Well,
I'm
repeating
myself,
but
you
look
at
things
like
the
height
of
the
building
the
scale
the
length
of
the
building
is.
It
longer
is
if
they
just
taken
something
that
was
fine
when
it
was
small
grained
fabric
of
this
street
or
this
area,
and
and
and
overdid
it
and
bought
a
lot
a
lot
and
put
it
together.
Well,
don't
do
that?
Don't
allow
that
lot
coverage,
how
how
the
fronts
of
the
buildings
relate
to
the
street
and
the
buildings
around
them.
M
Now
I'm
putting
this
slide
up
here,
because
a
lot
of
that
is
not
in
module
one,
it's
in
module
two,
which
is
how
do
you
lay
it
out?
How
do
you
build
it?
What
are
the
quality
standards?
What
are
the
design
standards-
and
I
think
some-
I
think
some
folks
who've
been
engaged
in
this
conversation-
are
a
little
frustrated
by
that
gee.
M
We
don't
know
how
to
really
react
to
the
uses
and
the
districts
you've
proposed
until
we
see
what
you're
going
to
do
or
propose
as
design
standards
and
parking
standards
and
open
space
standards
and
landscaping
standards
and
lighting
standards.
That's
coming
for
those
of
you
who
have
delved
into
module
one.
You
can
tell
there's
a
lot
to
swallow
there.
There's
a
lot
to
absorb
and
doing
it
in
pieces
allows
people
to
focus
on
it
piece
by
piece.
The
door
is
never
shut.
M
I
expect
we'll
get
some
comments
after
module
two
saying
you
know,
I
was
kind
of
okay
with
this
in
module
one,
but
I
don't
think
these
standards
are
strong
enough
or
they're
too
strong.
I
thought
you
were
on
the
right
track
in
module
one,
but
having
read
what
you're
doing
in
module
two
I
got.
I
got
my
doubts
as
to
whether
that's
going
to
work
together.
We
still
it.
M
We
still
insist
that
it
is
better
to
do
it
in
pieces,
because
what
we've
put
out
in
module
one
is
the
structure,
the
skeleton,
the
framework
that
you
have
to
build
from.
You
can't
talk
about
parking
until
you
talk
about
the
uses.
You
can't
talk
about
landscaping
until
you
talk
about
what
uses
are
allowed
where
in
the
city
and
how
what
would
be
appropriate.
So
that's
why
we're
doing
it
this
way
and
again,
the
last
bullet
here
is
as
activity
centers
are
created.
M
Another
part
of
form
based
controls
is
how
does
it
work
as
a
center,
not
just
a
bunch
of
pad
sites
that
people
have
to
drive
to
and
from
and
can't
drive
from
one
to
the
next
or
can't
walk
easily?
How
do
you?
How
do
you
control
the
form
of
these
activity
centers
so
that,
as
they
densify
to
support
the
transit
system
and
allow
people
to
get
things
with
fewer
car
trips
and
shorter
car
trips
and
more
walking
and
biking?
How
do
we
make
sure
it
works
together?
And
it's
not
just
kind
of
a
well?
M
I
sold
this
lot
to
this
one
and
this
left
to
this
one,
and
then
we
had
to
get
the
land
off
and
sell
it
to
somebody
else
to
make
it
work
together.
So
those
are
the
form
approaches
next,
one
wendy
protection,
so
it
is
very
clear-
and
this
has
been
up
in
the
community
in
the
citywide
advisory
committee.
Blueprint
boise
says
both
things.
It
says
densify
some
areas,
so
we
can
help
build
a
transit
system
for
all
of
the
reasons
that
we
all
know
and
protect
neighborhood
character.
M
It
says
both
and
we
are
having
good
conversations
in
the
advisory
committee
about
how
do
you
balance
them
and
I
think
the
level
of
interaction
and
the
good
will
the
willingness
to
listen
to
people
who
feel
very
strongly
about
one
side
or
the
other
of
this
inherent
tension
is
very
high.
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
very
a
good
engagement
with
discussion.
M
Saying,
okay,
I
get
it,
you
can't
just
say
no
change
and
you
can't
just
say
protect
my
neighborhood
and
I
forget,
and
I
don't
really
care
what's
happening
outside
and
you
also
can't
say:
hey:
we
got
to
build
transit
and
densify
and
mixed
use
and
walkability,
and-
and
I
don't
care
that
much
about
the
neighborhood-
you
can't
do
that.
No
one's
doing
that
everybody's
engaging
in
an
a
reasoned,
a
debate
and
discussion
about
how
you
balance
those
goals.
So
what
do
you
do?
M
M
It
backs
up
against
neighborhoods
that
the
citizens
care
very
deeply
about,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
proposed
is
to
say
you
know
just
building
some
some
some
protections
automatically
without
having
to
negotiate
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
build
it
in
that,
when
that
happens,
building
heights
have
to
sit
down.
If
there
is
outdoor
lighting
for
parking
areas,
it
has
to
step
down
to
residential
type
heights,
increase
the
setbacks
between
these
two
to
give
more
buffer
increase
the
screening
and
the
buffering.
M
Next
to
these
boundaries,
and
in
some
cases-
and
this
we
haven't
debated
this-
we
haven't
discussed
this,
but
some
cities
say
oh,
and
I
also
don't
want
the
drive-through
lanes
or
the
cars
or
the
parking
areas
circulating
on
that
part
of
the
site
between
a
commercial
or
a
mixed
use
or
a
multi-family
building
and
the
single-family
neighborhood
next
door.
These
edge
issues.
How
do
you
transition
from
two
goods,
stable,
neighborhood,
good
activity
center,
that
supports
transit
good?
M
How
do
you
blend
these
two
and
our
experience
has
been
build
the
protections
in
so
people
understand.
We?
Don't
have
to
negotiate
this
each
time
and
when
somebody
buys
a
commercial
property,
they
realize
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
to
my
maximum
height
up
against
that
neighborhood.
It's
going
to
have
to
step
down,
and
I
may
not
be
able
to
put
as
much
building
on
that
block
because
it's
got
to
be
set
back
and
buffered
better
from
the
neighborhood.
M
That's
just
being
good,
neighbors,
codify
it
to
try
to
give
more
comfort
and
to
automatically
bring
in
some
neighborhood
protection
next
one
and
I'm
almost
done
user
friendly
our
proposal
and
you
can
see
it
in
the
table
of
contents
on
module.
One
is
organize
all
of
the
contents
in
seven
chapters.
I
think
it's
a
radical
simplification
of
what
you
have
now.
M
1101
general
provisions
and
definitions
are
kind
of
self-explanatory.
You
have
three
very
long,
very
complicated.
You
know
barber
valley,
other
places
where
you
have
adopted
very
detailed,
neighborhood
building
specific
districts.
Those
are
at
the
end
just
because
they
would
interrupt
the
flow
and-
and
if
you
live
in
those
areas,
you
know
right
to
look
for
them.
But
if
you
don't
live
in
those
three
areas
with
detailed
standards,
then
you're,
probably
gonna,
look
at
two
three
four
and
five
here
two
says
what
district
done.
M
I
am
three
is
what
uses
are
allowed
there
four
says:
how
do
I,
how
do
they
have
to
lay
it
out?
How
tall
can
it
be?
How
close
to
the
street
landscaping
lighting
all
that
module
two
content
and
five
says
and
who
gets
to
approve
this?
Is
it
staff?
Is
it
planning
commission?
Is
it
city
council,
but
that's
why
this
is.
We
think
much
simpler
chapters,
two
three
four
and
five
answer.
Ninety
percent
of
the
questions
that
will
come
in
and
we
think
is
much
more
intuitive
way
where
people
could
say.
Well.
M
What
is
my
question
parking?
Okay,
I'm
going
to
find
it
in
1104.
That's
the
development
design.
If
my
question
is,
can
they
do
a
hotel
there,
I'm
going
to
find
that
in
the
uses
1103.
so
and
we've
here,
we've
we
have
put
out
there.
We
haven't
put
all
the
drawings
in
yet,
but
the
right
hand.
M
Side
of
this
slide
shows
a
two-page
spread
so
that
for
each
zone,
district
would
be
a
purpose
statement,
a
graphic,
not
regulation,
a
3d
graphic
picture
depicting
the
style,
the
spread
outedness
or
the
closeness
or
the
height
and
the
street
relationship
of
this
intended
area.
And
then,
on
the
right
hand,
side
are
key
facts
like
how
tall
can
the
buildings
be.
Setbacks
lot
coverage
things
like
that.
This
is
not
the
whole
code,
but
our
experience
is
for
many
citizens
who
don't
want
to
be
zoning
geeks.
M
They
just
want
to
know
what's
being
proposed
and
whether
they
should
be
concerned.
We
think
this
layout
is
a
very
helpful
way
for
them
to
say.
Okay,
I
get
it
and
the
lower
part
of
the
left
page
says
guys:
let's
not
fool
anybody.
You
still
got
to
read
the
parking
chapter.
You
still
got
to
read
the
design
standards-
that's
not
on
here,
but
this
answers.
Well,
you
know
they
say
they're
going
to
rezone
this.
How
tall
could
the
buildings
be?
The
answer
is
here.
So
we
hope
that
is
helpful
to
you.
M
We
could
cover
many
things
and
I'll
turn
it
over
for
any
answering
any
questions
and
any
discussion
you'd
like
to
have-
and
I
pred
and
perhaps
wendy
will
be
willing
to
answer
questions
too.
So
thanks.
H
Adam
sure,
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
wendy
and
dawn.
I
understand
that
this
is
very
much
a
citizen
engaged
process.
Will
there
be
an
opportunity,
much
like
we
did
when
you
were
kicking
off
the
project,
to
meet
up
and
get
council
input
input
on
this
module
too,
because
I
have
very
strong
opinions
about
garages
and
I
would
like
those
to
hopefully
be
part
of
it.
F
Madam
mayor,
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
the
update,
I
know
you're
doing
a
lot
of
work,
coordinating
a
lot
of
different
interests
and
having
a
lot
of
meetings.
So
I
appreciate
hearing
from
you
in
a
public
way
like
this
one
concern
that
we
have
talked
about.
I
think
way
back
in
the
beginning
and
then
more
briefly,
in
an
update
that
I
have
is
that
the
layering
of
these
modules
could
create
what
is
essentially
a
ratchet
effect.
F
People
start
with
use,
they
have
preconceived
notions,
they
they
they
fight
for,
and
they
advocate
the
set
of
positions
that
they
believe
about
how
land
should
be
used.
Then
we
layer
on
form
and
they
have
preconceived
notions,
and
that
adds
another
web
and
another
layer
of
regulation,
and
then
they
layer
on
the
next
module
and
what
we
end
up
with
something
is
much
much
tighter
than
perhaps
what
we
intended
to
create
in
the
in
the
beginning,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
help
us
understand
you
made
reference
to
it.
F
Mr
elliot
the
process
for
potentially
going
back
and,
for
instance,
looking
back
at
module
one
as
somebody
becomes
more
comfortable
with
what
the
module
two
form
regulations
might
be
and
the
the
mechanism
that
we
will
use
to
prevent
this
from
just
being
a
series
of
steps
where
everything
gets
tighter
and
tighter
and
tighter
and
more
restrictive.
As
we
go
through.
M
Great
question
and
I
a
very
a
very
thoughtful
question
I
have,
I
think,
I'll,
give
my
answer
in
three
parts:
we're
doing
these
three
modules
and
each
one
having
discussions
internally
about
the
balancing
of
interests
and
then
putting
it
up
for
the
public
and
doing
public
engagement
to
try
to
explain
that
when
we
get
the
third
module
out,
we
do
loop
back,
we
put
them
all
together
and
we
highlight
what
has
had
to
change.
For
example,
your
example
is
a
very
good
one.
M
Sometimes
when
people
come
through
and-
and
they
say
well
I'd
really
like
this
design
solution,
we
have
to
say
that's
pretty
tight
if
you're
going
to
do
that.
If
that's
what
you
really
want,
we
should
go
back
and
loosen
up
on
the
uses
a
little
bit
more
because,
if
you're
going
to,
if
I
mean
these
things
need
to
be
in
balance,
they
need
to
be
not
not
making
it
impossible
to
develop
or
driving
the
cost
of
in
ways
that
you
don't
expect.
M
So
a
we
look
back
and
put
it
into
a
consolidated
draft
and
try
to
highlight
those
things
b.
We
will
work
when
we
get
there
with
staff
your
staff
to
test
it
on
various
sites,
both
unbuilt
or
built
sites.
To
say
is
this
having
unintended
consequences,
we
thought
it
was
going
to
allow
development
of
the
following
era.
We
thought
we
followed
the
plot.
M
We
thought
it
would
allow
it
and
upon
testing,
we
say
that's
too
strict
that
that
has
unintentionally
put
too
many
conditions
on
what
happens
here.
It'd
be
unlikely
that
someone
could
do
this
or
do
it
affordably
or
do
it
do
it
in
a
good
way.
The
third
part
is
kind
of
softer
than
that
and
and
I'll
be
happy
to
have
a
follow-up
question.
M
I
kind
of
consider
it
my
job
and
our
job
as
we
lead
these
discussions,
especially
in
the
advisory
committee,
to
point
out
those
tensions.
You
know.
Are
you
know?
M
If
you're,
I
don't
think
it's
a
one-way
ratchet.
We
have
to
point
out
and
say
boy,
that's
pretty
strict.
We
can
tell
you
that's
stricter
than
most
places
do
because
of
the
following
possible
unintended
consequences
of
that
and
to
say
exactly
what
I
said
earlier.
If,
if
you
really
think
that
well
it's
up
to
me
to
say
that
could
have
some
unintended
consequences,
do
you
realize
that's
very
expensive
to
do?
It
sounds
very
good,
but
it's
very
expensive.
M
F
Thank
you
very
much,
no
follow-up
question.
I
really
appreciate
that
this
is
on
your
mind
and
that
apparently
you've
self-ordained
yourself
to
take
that
role.
So
that's
great
because
it's
everybody
in
this
room
knows
this
is
very
top
of
mind
for
me,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
that
it's
something
that
you're
thinking
about.
Thank
you.
G
Madam
mayor,
thanks
for
being
here
today,
don
thanks
wendy,
it's
good
to
see
you
not
surprisingly.
I
have
a
couple
of
comments
and
questions.
Probably
the
the
first
one
is
thank
you
for
putting
all
of
the
housing
types
in
all
of
the
residential
zones.
I
think
it's
a
great
start.
G
I
think,
as
council
member
beijing
alluded
to
figuring
out
what
those
controls
the
subject
to
will
be,
will
be
the
key
in
learning
whether
or
not
we'll
be
successful
in
actually
getting
those
those
housing
types
in
all
zones,
but
I
think
we're
on
the
right
track.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
I
love
that
we
condensed
the
number
of
uses.
G
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
names
I
really
hate
to
use
the
word
density
and
the
name
of
a
zone
and
just
wondered
if
you
could
comment
and
large
lot,
also
just
as
a
name
of
a
zone.
To
me.
First
of
all,
it
is
not
very
clear
what
that
means
versus
I
mean
there's
all
kinds
of
large
lots
versus
what
it
might
imply.
M
Good
question:
yeah
we've
had
a
hard
time
settling
on
names
and
the
names
are
by
no
means
final.
That's
I'm
glad
you
raised
it.
I
will
say
at
a
personal
level
when
I
review
it,
I
sometimes
look
at
it
and
say
you
know.
I
think
this
could
be
more
user-friendly.
I
think
this
could
be
more
intuitive
for
people
to
understand
and
so
to
be
honest,
we've
gone
back
and
forth
between
about
three
different
ideas
about
how
to
name
them.
M
M
Let's
get
it
built
right,
but
I
but
but
I
would
be
very
happy
to
go
back
and
revisit
those
the
only
the
only
thing
where
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
put
our
thumb
on
the
scale
to
not
make
as
much
change
as
we
might
have
was
that
so
many
people
who
are
deeply
engaged
and
very
very
interested
in
preserving
the
quality
of
their
life
and
their
neighborhood
live
in
the
r1
b
and
r1c
districts
and
renaming
them
leads
you
into.
M
Do
you
want
to
have
to
re-educate
everybody
about
the
names
now?
Having
said
that,
many
cities
do,
and
it
goes
just
fine
you
just
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
process.
Everybody
gets
it.
I
used
to
be
called
x
and
they're
now
saying
it's
y,
and
when
I
look
at
the
spectrum
of
names,
I
can
kind
of
agree.
That
is
a
better
way
of
laying
out
the
different
types
of
places
in
boise.
So
that
was
that's.
M
My
only
answer
is
that
we
were
a
little
skittish
about
renaming,
r1b
and
c
before
we
had
a
good
discussion
like
this.
G
Great
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
I
know
that
one
of
our
goals
was
to
allow
small
scale
commercial
in
some
residential
zones.
M
Well,
the
in
that's
that's
a
the
way
it's
drafted
now
and
please
correct
me:
I'm
trying
to
answer
you
intelligently,
while
skipping
around
in
the
document
itself,
the
difference
between
r3
and
the
lowest
intensity.
Mixed-Use
neighborhood
is
conceptually
there's
a
place
in
most
cities
and
I
think
a
place
in
boise
given
blueprint
boise
for
kind
of
neighborhood
scale,
things
that
would
involve
a
mix
of
residential
and
and
and
non-residential
it
just
has
to
be
small.
M
It's
we
can
all
visualize
nice,
smaller
areas
that
have
sometimes
their
small
multi-family
on
the
corners,
sometimes
they're
commercial,
sometimes
they're
a
mix.
So
that's
where
that's
supposed
to
be
in
our
three
and
in
high
density.
We
could
do
exactly
what
you
say:
we
could
split
it
and
say
well,
there's
high
density
housing
period
and
and
what
we
the
direction
we
kind
of
took
was
there
should
be
a
high
density
housing
zone
district
that
everybody
understands.
M
That's,
that's
that's
what
that's
about
and
I
think
what
we've
tried
to
draft
is
to
say
and
on
the
ground
floors
of
that
you
could
do
small-scale
non-residential.
You
couldn't
walk
in
and
do
a
freestanding,
taco
bell.
You
can't
go
in
and
do
a
freestanding
dry
cleaner,
even
though
people
need
dry
cleaners
and
would
like
to
have
them,
maybe
not
so
far
from
their
house.
It's
the
point
of
that
r3
is,
you
could
do
completely
residential
stuff,
it's
not
a
mandate,
but
you
also
could
say
this.
I
could
do
some.
M
I
could
do
a
coffee
shop.
I
could
do
a
low,
a
small
scale
thing
in
the
same
building
on
the
ground
floor
and
if
it
does
not
say
that
in
module
one
it's
because
I'm
trying
to
do
two
things
at
once
and
that
it
was
the
intent
that
you
don't
have
to
mix
it
up.
You
could
do
all
residential,
but
you
also
could
do
supportive,
very
small-scale,
non-residential
on
in
the
ground
floors
of
the
same
buildings.
G
Thank
you
that
leads
me
to
my
third
question,
then,
is
you
know
this
round
we're
supposed
to
be
identifying
the
uses,
and
it
does
seem
to
me
that
the
uses
are
still
pretty
paltry
in
that
first
ground
floor,
mixed
use
of
the
all
residential
units,
and
so
I
wonder
what
process
we
might
think
about
to
review
those
and
see
if
there's
a
little
bit
more,
we
could
add
or
different
ways
to
add
it
in
the
use
table.
G
I
I,
as
I'm,
comparing
the
use
table
with
the
old
use
table,
I'm
seeing
a
few
places
where
we
might
stretch
a
little
bit
and
also
a
few
places
where
we
have
a
lot
of
existing
uses
that
are
no
longer
going
to
be
allowed,
and
so
maybe
some
forum
to
have
a
conversation
about
those
would
be
helpful.
Okay
and
otherwise,
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
the
parking
standards
to
ensure
that
we
can
actually
do
away
with
the
parking
overlay
districts.
M
M
Is
it's
not
done
until
it's
done,
but
we
have
to
put
a
draft
on
the
table,
so
I
would
encourage
you
councilwoman
mark
it
up
and
say
I
think
you
should
be
like
take
take
a
magic
marker
print
out
those
pages
or
put
a
sticky
note
on
an
electronic
version
and
just
say
I'd
like
to
see
this
use
allowed
in
these
districts.
It's
not
done
you
you.
You
are
very
polite
in
your
comment
about
you
know.
How
do
we
do
this
comment?
Send
it
in.
M
We
expect
to
get
a
lot
and
I
frankly
we
we
don't
want
to
redo
it
all
the
time,
because
then
you
get
a
version
control
problem,
but
we
would
take
all
the
comments
we
get
not
only
from
you
and
others,
but
often
staff
looks
at
it
again
along
the
way
and
says
you
know
what
we
miss,
something
we
we
don't
or
or
clarion
raises
it
and
says
we
still
don't
understand.
Why
you're
not
allowing
this
and
somebody
says
well,
okay,
then,
let's
think
about
it
again.
M
So
when
we
get
to
the
consolidated
draft,
where
we
bring
it
together,
we
will
make
further
changes
to
the
use
table
and
we
will
footnote
them
that
that
is
a
change
since
the
last
time
you
saw
this
so
that
those
of
you
who
those
of
you
just
want
to
focus
yeah.
I
was
pretty
satisfied
with
it.
I
wonder
what
they've
done
with
it
since
then
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
the
footnotes
and
say:
okay,
I
should
focus
on
those.
Those
are
changes
that
happened
over
the
past
year,
as
we've
worked
through
the
use
table.
F
K
K
So
love
that
you
brought
that
up
and
would
love
to
see
that
highlighted.
One
question
I
have
is
on
one
of
your
slides,
your
inclusion
and
equity
slide.
One
of
the
bullet
points
says
avoiding
regulations
that
are
likely
to
be
used
to
exclude
disadvantaged
residents,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
what
the
work
that's
done
so
far,
if
you've
noticed
or
seen
any
areas
to
improve
or
other
areas
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
stronger
to
address.
That
kind
of
specific
bullet
point.
M
Oh,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
I
don't
have
a
let
me
let
me
answer
it
conceptually.
The
short
answer
to
your
question
is
no.
I
I
feel
like
what
we've
put
out
in
module
one.
We
know
it's
going
to
change,
but
we're
hoping
people
are
reading
it
and
making
comments.
I
do
not
feel
like
that.
There
is
embedded
disadvantage
to
some
folks
in
in
what
we've
put
out
there
so
far.
I
think
it's
a
move
forward.
M
I
think
we
have
opened
up
new
opportunities,
and
so
that's
true,
but
it
we
got
to
keep
looking
at
it
in
number
in
module,
2
and
module
3..
I
I
just
want
to
be.
Let
me
it's
a
it's
a
rich
topic
and,
for
example,
in
module
two.
When
we
look
at
parking
when
we
look
at
landscaping,
we
look
at
dimensions
and
lot
sizes
and
we
finalize
okay.
This
is
a
minimum
lot
size
in
this
zone
district,
the
larger
you
make
it.
M
The
fewer
houses
can
be
built
on
that
land
as
it
develops
and
the
more
it's
likely
to
be
more
folks
with
more
resources,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
dimensions
and
then
we're
gonna
have
to
look
in
the
process.
Part
module
three.
I
I
love
local
government.
I've
made
my
living
trying
to
work
with
local
government
to
make
good
decisions
and
and
guide
their
cities
the
way
they
want
to
do.
M
But
I
will
tell
you
there
are
some
systemic
problems
in
the
way
that
folks
engage
with
local
governments
in
many
cities,
I'm
not
saying
boise
in
particular,
because
if
you
are
a
well-educated
person,
who's
had
a
lot
of
advantages.
You
you
can
cross
that
bridge
pretty
easily.
You
can
figure
out
how
to
be
effective
in
what
you
say
to
your
local
government
if
you're
not
and
you
have
less
education-
and
you
do
not
understand
exactly
how
local
government
works
or
how
to
engage
it's
harder.
M
So
even
in
installment
three,
I
think
we
need
to
try
to
figure
out.
How
do
you
design
these
processes
with
less
kind
of
inherent
biases?
And
it's
once
again.
I
want
to
be
very
clear:
this
is
by
no
means
an
issue
unique
to
boise,
it's
unique
to
every
local
government
that
I've
ever
worked
with,
but
so
all
three
of
those
things
now.
M
We've
had
we've
one
way
to
promote,
affordable
housing
is
to
a
more
affordable
housing
is
to
allow
more
development,
and
that
has
its
ad
supporters
and
some
opponents.
Another
one
is
to
say
yeah.
We
could
replace
this
lower
intensity
housing
with
more
units.
They
could
redevelop
it.
The
bill
guy
could
buy
it.
Tear
down
the
houses,
build
more
units.
We've
now
replaced
10,
I'm
making
this
example
up.
10
with
40..
We
helped
affordable
housing.
M
But
it's
very
likely
that
affordability
level
is
not
going
to
be
what
was
there
before
if
it
was
old,
older
style,
housing,
it's
often
more
expensive,
and
so
this
raises
the
debate
which
we
will
have
along
the
way.
To
what
extent
should
some
neighborhoods
be
protected
from
from
more
extensive
change
because
they
are
actually
pretty
affordable?
Now
they
are
pretty
affordable
now
and
anything
that
would
be
done
would
be
less
affordable
than
what
there
is
now.
M
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
zoning
can
do.
Zoning
can
be
used
to
say,
let's
change
here,
not
much
change
here.
We're
going
to
protect
this
and
and
and
zoning
is
designed
to
exclude.
We
don't
want
it
to
be
an
exclusionary
tool,
but,
for
example,
the
discussion
is
going
to
come
up
we're
pretty
affordable.
M
They
do
tend
to
exclude
people
the
more
you
carve
out
little
pieces
of
the
city
and
say
well,
we're
not
gonna
have
much
change
here.
We're
not
going
to
have
much
change
here.
We're
not
going
to
have
much
change
here.
The
more
you
force,
the
change
onto
other
parts
of
the
city.
The
market
doesn't
go
away.
Market
says,
if
I
can't
do
it
here,
I'll
try
to
do
it
over
there
and
that
I
will
just
tell
you
and
I'll
probably
get
in
trouble
for
saying
this.
M
When
you
watch
the
dynamic
of
that
in
different
cities,
it
tends
to
be,
it
tends
usually
to
be
the
more
affluent
and
and
privileged
parts
of
the
city
that
get
protected
and
the
parts
that
are
less
so
tend
to
get
the
major
impacts
of
change.
M
And
I
the
point
of
the
bullet
was
we
just
need
to
keep
our
eye
on
that
as
we
go
down
the
road
and
make
sure
that
everybody's
comfortable
that
where,
when
we
are
protecting
areas
for
or
seeing
less
change
in
those
areas,
we
are
comfortable
with
the
reasoning
behind
it
and
we're
comfortable
with
the
likely
market
response
to
that
and
who,
who
might
bear
the
brunt
of
that
type
of
zoning.
Sorry,
it's
a
much
longer
answer
than
you
wanted,
but,
but
it
is
a
it's
a
very
rich
topic
for
discussion.
K
Sure,
thank
you
don
mad
mayor.
I
have
a
somewhat
related
follow-up
question,
but
I
can
hold
knowing
that
there's
two
okay,
so
in
within
that
same
bullet
point
a
lot
of
times
when
I
think
about
how
we
build
our
cities
and
how
it
limits
opportunities
for
folks.
I
do
oftentimes
think
a
lot
about
transportation
and
what
I'm
curious
about
with
our
zoning
rewrite
and
our
zoning
plan
that's
very
unique
to
boise
because
of
the
way
that
we
operate
and
own
our
own
streets
included
in
the
planning
process.
K
M
M
Zoning
usually
does
not,
and
some
codes
do
but-
and
we
can
talk
about
it
if
you'd
like,
but
usually
they
don't
because
in
the
end,
the
public
works
department,
the
streets,
department
or
ada.
County
highways
has
control
over
those
areas,
and
so
it
is
more
likely.
M
It
is
more
likely
in
most
processes
that
the
long-term
transportation
planning
for
the
area
guides.
What
kind
of
zoning
we
write
to
align
with
it,
rather
than
zoning,
trying
to
drive
the
transportation
system
or
trying
to
modify
the
transportation
system.
E
Madam
hi,
thank
you.
It's
good
to
see
you
don
good
to
see
you
wendy.
So,
first
of
all,
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
inclusion
and
equity
on
your
slide
deck,
but
I
I
I
really
would
like,
for
you,
dawn
to
flush
out
a
little
bit
about
what
you
were
saying.
E
I
I
found
that
to
be
very
compelling
what
you
were
talking
about
in
terms
of
having
people
from
those
marginalized
groups
be
at
the
decision-making
table,
and
I
found
it
really
compelling
that
you
said
that
that's
not
enough
I'd
like
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
flesh
that
out
a
little
bit
more
and
hear
what
your
recommendations
are
for.
How
do
we
make
use
of
those
moves
which
are
positive,
but
obviously
they
could
be
better?
What
could
we
be
doing
better.
M
Well,
okay,
just
to
clarify
are
you
do
you
want
to
focus
on
the
process
or
the
substance?
It
sounds
like
you
want
me
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
process.
Barriers.
Is
that
right.
M
Okay,
all
right:
well,
let's
talk
about
a
process,
one
of
the
interesting
things.
That's
happened
over
the
past
few
over
the
past
year,
especially
during
cobit.
Is
that
because
we
couldn't
meet
in
person,
cities
got
very
creative
about
trying
to
do
online
stuff
in
order
to
try
to
get
more
engagement.
M
In
my
experience
and
that's
good,
the
numbers
in
most
cities
went
up
wow.
We
used
to
only
get
a
few
people
at
this
meeting.
Now
we
got
a
lot
of
people
logging
into
this
meeting,
so
part
of
it
is
using
different
styles
of
of
engagement
or
or
channels
of
engagement.
To
do
it.
I
will
tell
you
and
once
again,
none
of
these
comments
are
specific
to
boise,
I'm
making
general
comments.
The
numbers
went
up,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
diversity
of
opinion
went
up.
M
I
think
there
were
many
more
people
just
based
on
my
personal
experience,
watching
some
meetings
who
were
watching
many
of
them.
I
think
only
watched
they
were
not
comfortable
weighing
in
and
I
actually
think
in
many
cities
they
were
not
any
more
diverse
or
any
more
low-income
people,
anymore,
women-headed,
households,
anymore
disabled-headed
households
than
there
were
before
I.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
I
I
don't
I'll
stick
with
that
comment.
I
don't
think
they
expanded,
so
people
felt
good
we're
reaching
new
people.
That
is
a
good
thing.
M
So
few
people
really
bother
to
engage.
Local
government
loves
it
when
more
people
engage,
but
so
a
we
have
to
keep
more
channels
but
b.
I'm
not
convinced
that
that,
for
example,
saying
well,
we
got
to
keep
all
these
tools
that
we
developed
during
covet
and
we
got
to
keep
doing
them
because
our
numbers
went
up.
M
M
Not
just
have
meetings
in
parks
not
just
meetings
at
their
neighborhood
meeting
but
seeking
out
seeking
out
people
that
we
think
may
have
an
insight
as
to
what
that
demographic
thing
so
that
neighborhood
thinks
or
that
a
racial
or
ethnic
group
feels
about
these
proposals,
even
if
not
very
many
folks,
in
that
demographic
have
have
taken
the
chances
to
engage.
So
we
broaden
the
channels,
you
do
more
of
it
and
then
you
watch
to
see
who's
not
there,
and
I
think
cities
have
just
got
to
get
a
lot
better
at
proactively.
Saying:
look.
M
We
don't
know
who
speaks
to
the
for
this
neighborhood
we've
tried,
but
we
do
know
folks
who,
in
the
neighborhood
that
we
could
ask,
we
need
to
proactively
go
out
and
not
assume
they
speak
for
the
neighborhood,
but
to
seek
out
those
voices
and
then,
frankly,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
our
tick,
help,
articulate
them,
knowing
that
those
are
real
feelings
about
real
those
are
real
feelings.
E
And
I
really
appreciate
that
something
that
I
think
we
learned
last
year
as
we
were
working
on
our
census
is
we
did
reach
out
to
those
informal
community
leaders.
E
They
don't
necessarily
had
a
neighborhood
association
or
a
non-profit,
but
they
are
just
people
who
the
community
has
chosen
to
trust
and
they
they
have
this
leadership
component
to
who
they
are,
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
that's
something
we
need
to
look
at
is
is
perhaps
not
letting
go
of
those
relationships
that
we
forged
last
year,
as
we
were
working
on
our
sense
as
our
local
complete
count-
and
I
know
it's
something:
I've
discussed
with
council
member
hallie
burton
of
perhaps
putting
together
some
sort
of
a
citizens
academy
where
folks
are
able
to
learn
more
about
how
their
local
government
works.
E
I
had
very
little
interaction
with
the
city
of
boise
until
I
ran
for
office
and
and
had
the
honor
of
sitting
at
this
dais
with
these
colleagues
and
it's
been
learning
by
doing
and
and
it,
and
it
is
it's,
it's
very
humbling
to
recognize
all
that
it
takes
for
our
city
to
run
as
well
as
it
does.
E
But
I
think
with
that
that
entryway
that
welcome
for
folks
to
not
be
afraid
of
this
edifice
of
this
entity
and
recognize
that
they
they
too
can
participate
in
creating
our
city
as
it
grows
and
and
evolves
into
what
we
want
it
to
be
and
to
retain
what
it
still
has,
which
is
a
certain
level
of
grace
and
the
way
we
interact
with
each
other.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
sharing
that
perspective.
Don.
A
G
You
it
looks
like
we
have
enough
time,
so
one
final
question
in
the
mixed
use:
zoning
districts
that
we
created,
there's
the
neighborhood
one
and
then
there's
the
activities
center
one
and
then
there's
downtown
one
and
then
the
street
oriented.
G
What
I
fail
to
see
is
an
opportunity
to
redevelop
some
of
the
street
oriented
commercial
that
we
have
commonly
known
as
gray
fields
don.
I
know
you
know
that
term
into
something
better,
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
comment
why
you
determined
that
the
mixed
use
district
along
those
corridors
might
not
push
the
bar
a
little
bit
higher
in
terms
of
form.
G
M
I'd
be
happy
to
I'd,
be
happy
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
on
doing
that,
essentially,
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
waded
into
module
one.
The
mixed-use
activity
center
is
a
major
tool
too
big
to
be
right
on
your
corner
and
have
you
feel
comfortable,
it's
supposed
to
get
jobs
and
people
near
transit,
so
those
are
medium,
not
downtown,
but
not
small
scale
it's
in
between
and
that's
the
transit
building
tool.
But
you
have
to
have
a
nodal
system.
M
If
people
are
spread
out
evenly
along
a
corridor,
you
don't
get
transit
ridership,
because
if
the
bus
stops
everywhere,
then
nobody,
then
it
doesn't
go
fast
enough
for
people
to
ride
it.
You've
got
to
have
a
nodal
system,
so
in
between
it's
an
attempt
to
create
a
lower
scale
of
development
and
often
in
those
areas,
the
whole
parsley
is
only
one
half
block
deep
or
one
block
deep
and
then
behind
it.
M
M
I
think
some
of
those
homeowners
are
very
worried
that
if
you
go
too
dense
along
the
street
and
it's
only
a
half
a
block
deep
or
a
block
deep,
it's
going
to
be
pretty
hard
to
prevent
it
from
having
impacts
on
you,
even
if
it
steps
down
so
that
the
short
answer
to
your
question
is:
it
is
the
shallowness
of
many
of
those
lots
and
the
desire
to
not
have
most
of
the
density
in
between
the
transit
supporting
nodes
that
led
us
to
that
approach.
M
But
I
am
very
happy
to
to
rethink
it
if
you
think
there's
more
opportunity
to
balance
that
in
a
way
that
would
open
up
new
gray
fields
in
between
the
intersections
in
ways
that
that
we
can
also
kind
of
reassure
the
neighborhoods
behind
them.
This
is
this.
Is
this
will
work?
This
will
not
result
in
harm
to
your
neighborhood.
So.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Yes,
I
move
that
we
go
into
executive
session
personnel
land
acquisition,
records
exempt
from
public
disclosure
pending
probable
litigation,
communicate
with
risk
management
regarding
pen
pending
probable
claims,
labor
contract,
idaho
code,
74,
206,
1,
b,
c
d.
F,
I
n
j.
Second,
do
you.