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A
Oh
wait,
brownies
daisies,
daisy,
that's
the
flowers,
sorry
daisies
that
are
working
on
their
democracy
badge
and
it's
super
special
that
you're
here
with
us
tonight,
because
it's
been
so
long
since
we've
all
been
together
that
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
just
quickly
have
our
moment
of
silence
and
then
say
our
pledge
of
allegiance
on
our
own.
But
we're
going
to
ask
you
girls
to
lead
the
pledge
of
allegiance
tonight.
A
A
A
A
A
A
C
D
B
F
E
A
G
G
E
E
Luke
would
consistently
as
an
attorney
take
cases
that
were
heartbreaking,
folks,
who
needed
legal
representation
regarding
guardianships
and
he
treated
our
clients
with
so
much
kindness
and
grace,
and
I
just
really
appreciate
that
having
you
at
the
city
is
going
to
expand
our
grace.
So
thank
you.
Luke.
A
Next
up,
we
have
resolution
227.21.
This
is
the
public
health
order
and
just
before,
it's
voted
on
the
one
that
removed
our
mask
requirements
in
the
city
as
well
as
group
size
requirements
and
yet
still
has
an
effect
on
some
social
distancing
recommendations
mask
recommendations
for
those
unvaccinated,
as
well
as
some
guidance
for
public.
D
B
B
F
Is
that
okay?
Is
that
safe?
And
it
is
asking
a
lot
of
our
business
owners
to
make
all
of
those
decisions.
I
would
just
encourage
for
that
reason
for
everyone
who
is
able
to
get
out
and
get
vaccinated.
That's
really
going
to
be
our
path
forward
to
where
we're
not
having
even
the
hundreds
of
infections
that
we're
having
right
now,
every
day
and
really
getting
on
a
path
to
where
we
can
have
a
lower
community
instance
of
covet
19.
F
H
Just
following
up
on
on
that
as
well,
when
I
heard
the
announcement
last
week,
it
came
as
sort
of
a
surprise.
I
think
it
came
for
a
surprise
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
think
you
know
anytime,
there's
a
surprise
any
time.
There's
change
you
know
can
also
be
a
little
bit
scary,
but
I
think
that
one
of
the
reasons
why
it
was
such
a
surprise
is-
I
don't
think
I
ever
would
have
guessed
that
we
would
be
at
this
phase
right
now.
H
I
know
that
we're
going
through
that
process
of
the
boise
bicycle
project
right
now
trying
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
at
the
public
and
what
might
be
right
for
us
at
this
time
might
be
different
from
some
other
business
and
it's
going
to
take
still
patience
for
people
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
doing
our
part
to
take
these
steps.
And
so
I'm
excited
I'm
glad
that
we
got
to
push
this
forward
tonight.
H
E
Madam
mayor,
thank
you.
I
am
about
three
days
from
my
fully
vaccinated
status,
and
so
I
I
appreciate
my
colleagues
wearing
masks
tonight,
because
you
know
we
have
the
science
that
we're
all
aware
of,
but
a
lot
of
this
has
involved
people's
feelings
and
emotions,
and
the
reality
is,
I
think
you
know
there
are
folks
who
you
know
having
these
masks
provides
a
sense
of
security
not
only
for
themselves
but
for
the
people
around
them,
because
I
myself
like
to
share
what
I'm
doing
on
social
media.
E
We
don't
know
who
has
taken
up
that
opportunity
to
get
a
free
coven
shot.
So
I
greatly
appreciate
folks
who,
when
asked
to
wear
a
mask,
will
do
so.
I
appreciate
the
folks
who,
whatever
they
feel
personally
about
mask
wearing
that
respect
and
honor
folks
for
wearing
masks
and,
like
council
member
wooding
said.
I
strongly
encourage
you
to
get
a
vaccine.
I
Adam
here
yeah,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
this.
I
I
for
one,
am
certainly
ready
to
move
on
from
wearing
mass
and
support
the
cdc's
recommendation
to
not
wear
one
if
you
are
fully
vaccinated,
so
I
I'll
continue
to
respect
any
grocery
store
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
requires
it
as
a
private
establishment
or
a
place
of
work,
but
I'm
certainly
ready
to
move
on,
and
I
trust
the
science.
So
I
think
it's
it's
time
to
get
there
thanks.
A
A
That
this
weekend,
when
I
was
out
every
day,
I
saw
residents
respecting
businesses
who,
like
us
as
an
employer,
are
asking
people
to
remain
masked
and
also,
quite
frankly,
my
block
had
a
were
fully
vast,
barbecue
sunday
night,
and
it
was
the
first
time
all
of
us
came
together
in
a
group
and
were
hugged.
Each
other
welcomed
those
that
were
back
on
the
block
back
on
the
block.
But
we
did
it
after
waiting
to
make
to
give
everyone
the
chance
to
be
vaccinated.
A
So
we
could
all
get
back
together,
and
I've
heard
so
many
stories
of
that
in
the
last
couple
days
that
I
that
are
so
important
to
mark
and
to
be
grateful
for
so
really
appreciate
the
partnership
with
this
council
and
the
partnership
of
the
business
community.
As
we
move
through
this
time,
and
we
have
comm
said
that
we
will
remain
helpful
as
businesses
need
it
and
have
staff
that
are
actively
reaching
out
to
the
businesses
around
the
city
to
make
sure
that
everything's
working
okay
for
them.
A
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
There
will
be
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
council,
member
or
citizen
so
requests,
in
which
case
the
item
will
be
removed
from
the
general
order
of
business
and
considered
in
its
normal
sequence.
B
C
B
C
Sanchez:
yes,
thompson;
yes,
ordinance!
Yes,
agent;
yes,
plague;
yes,
halliburton!
Yes,
all
in
favor
of
motion
carries
ord-22-21
an
ordinance
amending
title
11
chapter
8,
section
3,
subsection,
2
boise
city
code
to
clarify
flood
protection,
elevation
requirement
for
electrical
heating
ventilation,
plumbing
air
conditioning
and
other
service
facilities
and
provide
an
effective
date,
ord-23-21
an
ordinance
amending
title,
11
chapter
3,
review
and
decision
procedures
of
boise
city
code
to
update
standards
and
establish
a
review
process
for
demolition
activities
and
provide
an
effective
date.
C
Ord-24-21
an
ordinance
car
21-0
are
proudly
located
at
2007
south
saturn
way.
I'm
getting
zoning
classifications
of
the
city
of
boise
city
to
change
the
classification
of
real
property,
particularly
described
in
section
1
of
this
ordinance
from
c-1b
neighborhood
commercial,
with
design
review
the
c-3d
service
commercial,
with
design
review,
setting
forth
a
reason,
statement
in
support
of
such
stone
change
and
providing
effective
date,
ord-25-21
an
ordinance
of
repealing
and
replacing
title
two
chapter:
eight
section:
five
arts
and
history:
commission
duties
and
responsibilities:
boise
city
code.
C
D
A
J
J
The
four,
the
roughly
four
acre
site
you
can
see
here
is
located
north
of
hill
road,
just
east
of
pierce
park
lane
the
property
is
zoned,
r1c
or
single
family
residential
and
would
allow
up
to
30
32
units
on
the
property.
The
site
is
certainly
constrained
by
topography
and
it's
unlikely
never
achieve
that
kind
of
density.
Given
the
slope
of
the
site,
the
item
was
heard
along
with
the
hillside
development
permit
by
the
commission
in
april.
J
As
you
can
see
in
the
record,
there
was
a
bit
of
concern
expressed
with
the
hillside
application,
but
that
decision
was
not
appealed.
So
it's
only
the
subdivision
before
you
this
evening
again,
the
subdivision
does
include
eight
buildable
lots
that
range
in
size
from
about
6
500
square
feet
to
nearly
a
half
acre
that
those
all
exceed
the
minimum
lot
size
of
the
underlying
zone,
which
is
5
000
square
feet.
The
project
also
includes
no
variance
from
any
ordinance
standard.
J
J
From
a
connectivity
perspective,
the
condition
does
require
cross
access,
be
provided
to
both
the
east
and
west
side
of
that
flag.
There
really
is
no
other
opportunity
for
connectivity,
given
the
topography
of
the
site,
that
top
that
topography
also
justifies
the
use
of
a
private
street.
In
this
situation
in
terms
of
existing
trees,
the
trees
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
site
will
be
retained,
but
the
several
several
on
the
upper
portions
of
the
lot
will
be
removed.
J
So
with
those
conditions
of
approval,
the
commission
did
find
the
subdivision
to
be
consistent
with
ordinance
standards
and
recommended
approval
of
the
preliminary
plan
on
april
5th
this
year.
So
with
that,
we
are
recommending
you
adopt
their
recommendation
and
approve
the
subdivision
this
evening.
Thank
you.
A
K
Madam
mayor
members
of
city
council,
yes,
we
are
in
agreement
with
all
the
conditions
of
approval
in
the
staff
report.
We
work
real
closely
with
the
fire
department
to
determine
what
our
requirements
be
for
the
wui
setbacks,
and
we
really
look
forward
to
building
a
subdivision
here
in
the
foothills.
K
The
the
developers
goal
is
to
retain
and
protect
a
lot
of
the
hillside
and
we're
really
working
on
the
grading
and
drainage
to
make
sure
that
we're
protecting
adjacent
properties
and
again
part
of
the
project
is
actually
to
extend
a
water
main
downhill
road
from
the
west
by
about
1500
linear
feet,
which
eventually
or
will
provide
some
water
service
to
other
properties
in
this
area
that
currently
are
operating
up
with
wells.
So
we
we
really
look
forward
to
this
project
moving
forward.
I
would
stand
for
questions.
A
D
A
You
good
to
see
you
ben
have
a
good
night.
Next
up
under
public
hearings,
we
have
drh
20-543.
This
is
an
appeal
of
a
historic
preservation,
commission's
decision
on
a
certificate
for
appropriateness.
We
will
first
hear
from
staff,
welcome
ted
good
to
see
you,
then
the
appellate
tom
williamson,
okay,
mr
williamson,
is
here
the
neighborhood
association.
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council.
This
is
an
appeal
of
the
historic
preservation
commission's
approval
to
construct
a
single-family
residential
structure
and
detached
garage
on
a
substandard
lot.
The
property
is
located
in
the
expanded
north
end
historic
district
and
is
considered
non-contributing.
M
M
A
M
M
M
The
grounds
for
appeal
appeal
largely
address
a
concern
about
increased
density
with
the
addition
of
a
new
house
in
the
neighborhood.
It
should
be
noted,
however,
that
this
development
is
a
development
on
its
own
lot
and
does
not
violate
any
density
requirements
for
the
actual
for
the
zone
itself
on
the
property.
M
M
The
appellant
claims
the
design
is
not
compatible
with
the
neighborhood.
However,
this
is
a
modest
sort
of
bungalow
craftsman,
craftsman-style
house
that
is
generally
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
historic
district
as
a
whole.
The
historic
preservation
commission
found
that
the
house
was
largely
compatible
with
the
property
and
the
neighborhood.
M
D
Mayor
ted,
the
appeal
was
really
on
grounds
other
than
what
was
heard
at
the
hearing
which
were
based
on
design
and
whether
there
should
be
a
one
and
a
half
story
or
not,
and
so
what
we're
really
ruling
on.
As
I
read
the
appeal
criteria
that
you
just
just
showed
us
is
whether
or
not
this
creates
density,
that's
too
high
for
the
neighborhood
and
whether
it's
compatible
with
the
neighborhood,
and
for
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
got
on
the
record.
M
N
N
Tom
williamson
1715
north
26,
boise
id083702,
he
was
correct.
I
mean
this
is
a
procedural
matter.
Why?
I'm
here,
because
the
zoom
did
not
work
and
by
the
time
I
physically
came
down
to
this
to
the
council
or
to
the
meeting
hpc
meeting,
I
was
told
at
the
front
door.
They'd
already
acted
on
the
matter.
So
as
a
consequence,
that's
why
we're
here
today
it
was.
This
really
would
have
been
my
conversation
back
on
march
29th.
N
So
I
thought
I
might
take
the
occasion
a
little
bit
if
you
bear
me
building
my
my
story
as
to
where
we
came
to
a
conclusion.
As
far
as
those
in
the
community,
since
I
tend
to
be
kind
of
the
spokesperson
and
maybe
you'll
see
with
my
background,
why
I
kind
of
got
elected
to
do
this
so,
but
I
do
want
to
first
acknowledge
your
public
service.
N
As
you'll
hear
my
background,
I've
had
50
years
of
working
with
people
in
public
service,
which
is
kind
of
odd
to
believe
it's
been
50
years
already
so,
but
so
almost
all
of
it
behind
the
scenes.
So
I
know
what
you're
going
through
and
actually,
I
think,
you're
probably
facing
the
toughest
times
since
world
war
ii.
In
my
candidate
opinion,
I
think
this
country
in
this
world
has
probably
been
rocked
like
it
never
has
been
before
so
and
oddly
enough
sunday,
I
experienced
it
at
the
gym.
N
I
was
at
the
axiom
gym
out
on
fairview
and
saw
this
elderly
gentleman
about
80
that
I
usually
would
see
at
the
gym
and
finally
saw
him
and
he
was
looking
a
little
disheveled
and
he
was
sitting
in
the
sauna
and
hey
good
to
see
you
again
it's
like,
so
he
was
sharing
that
during
this
last
14
months,
he's
lived
in
his
bedroom
for
fear
of
being
an
80-year-old
going
out
in
dealing
with
what's
out
there
today,
so
he's
now
back
out.
You
know
he
said
he's
vaccinated
by
the
way.
N
N
He
said
that
it
reminded
his
parents
telling
him
of
when
he
when
they
grew
up
in
france,
what
it
was
like
where
the
americans
came
and
liberated
the
french
from
the
nazis,
in
the
sense
that
this
fear
that
had
been
consumed
and
this
freedom
that
kind
of
took
over
the
environment
after
that,
I
think,
was
kind
of
where
he
feels
that
we're
kind
of
at
that
point
right
now.
So
I
think
we
are
on
a
forward
trajectory.
N
So
so
I
have
to
as
I've
learned
to
respect
your
mother
for
where
they
are
with
and
what
they've
gone
to
get
to
where
they
are
today.
So
so
that
backs
me
up
to
the
fact
that
just
down
the
street,
this
little
place
called
saint
luke's.
I
was
born
there
wait
too
long
ago.
I
used
to
think,
but
so
I
was
born
and
raised
in
this
town.
Grew
up,
went
to
multiple
grade
schools.
Finally,
settled
down
went
to
mckinley
west
junior
high
and
graduated
from
borah
high
school
back.
N
When
there
were
1600
students
in
attendance
there.
It
was
like
a
big
school
back
then,
and
oddly
enough,
as
I
was
a
senior
in
high
school,
I
got
asked
by
this
guy
wayne
kidwell,
who
was
then
the
senate
majority
leader
in
idaho
and
boise
and
said:
do
you
want
to
be
a
senate
page?
And
I
said
what
is
it
and
he
said?
Well,
you
get
to
go,
get
out
of
school,
you
get
to
go
work
in
the
legislature
and
you
get
paid
to
do
it
and
they
said
sure,
let's
go
do
it.
N
N
N
I
then,
later
after
a
couple
years
started.
Boise
state
then
went
to
work,
for
this
gentleman
is
his
personal
assistant
when
he
became
idaho
attorney
general.
So
I
was
wayne
kidwell's
personal
assistant
for
a
year
before
I
then
transitioned
into
being
in
the
criminal
division
as
a
criminal
and
civil
investigator
for
five
years.
N
N
This
is
pretty
impressive,
seeing
the
wheels
of
power
in
motion,
ironically,
the
people
that
I
met
back
then
I
was
just
going
through
a
list
of
them
folks
like
roger
stone,
paul
manafort,
karl
rove,
some
of
the
characters
who
have
been
surfaced
today,
and
so
it's
kind
of
an
interesting,
circuitous
path,
as
I
learned
that
there
are
in
this
game,
some
naughty
boys
and
naughty
girls
who
are
just
going
to
come
with
the
game.
So
not
that
all
green
tags
are
naughty
boys
and
nutty
girls.
B
N
Points
I'll
get
to
the
same
points.
So
just
one
last,
I
want
to
acknowledge
my
stepfather
who
worked
for
the
city
for
umpteen
years.
He
was
the
zoo
director
when
I
came
here
and
then
he
was
a
public
safety
director
under
mayor
kemptorn
before
he
retired,
so
the
gist
of
what
this
is
about
is.
I
said
this
was
a
procedural
thing
where
the
neighborhood
looks
and
kind
of
goes.
N
N
N
Five
homes
for
1.5
million
dollars
have
been
sold
a
half
a
block,
a
half,
a
block,
half
o'clock,
and
there
is
a
new
couple
that
moved
down
from
seattle,
one
door
down
on
bella
street,
who
have
an
eight
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
who
are
not
happy
to
see
this
when
they
moved
in
the
neighborhood
not
expecting
this
type
of
infill.
So
I
know
in
the
report
it
mentioned
1430
north
20th
as
an
example
of
the
infill,
and
that
is
suitable.
N
N
And
go
and
use
the
garage
they
will
park
in
front
of
the
house
and
park
on
the
street.
So
then
the
intent
is
what
is
going
to
happen
with
1718.
Are
we
now
going
to
have
six
homes
or
six
bedrooms
on
this
parcel
down
the
road?
So
these
are
just
kind
of
some
unanswered
questions
which,
in
the
totality
of
this
development,
raised
some
serious
concerns.
As
I
said,
one
of
the
parties
would
have
been
here
tonight
but
they're
out
of
town
expressing
the
same
concern
so.
N
N
N
N
D
Mayor
mike,
my
question
is,
for
staff
just
want
to
make
sure
so
tom
you
may
or
may
not
understand
that
many
of
these
lots
were
originally
two
lots
and
they
were
used
as
one,
but
the
underlying
lot
pattern
is
what
we
legally
have
to
go
by,
and
so
my
question
to
staff
is
that
this
is
in
fact
an
original
substandard
lot
of
record.
It
has
been
recorded
as
a
separate
lot
for
all
of
the
time
of
the
existence
of
1718.
Is
that
correct.
D
N
H
M
Madam
mayor
council,
member
holly
burton
I
think
when
it
when
the
appellant
references
the
six
bedrooms,
I
I
wasn't
that
was
kind
of
confusing
to
me.
I
think
he's
talking
about
the
combined
that
the
property
as
it
was
as
a
combined
property
had
one
house
now
it
has
two
houses
with
the
new
house
is
going
to
have
three
bedrooms.
H
H
Yes
and
then
so
I
guess
my
question,
you
said
that
there
was
a
unit
that
you
saw
further
down
the
street,
that
you
thought
this
should
look
more
like
and
that
that
would
have
been
appropriate
and
this
wasn't
appropriate.
What
about
that?
Other
lot
is
appealing
that
this,
isn't,
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
type
of
development
could
have
gone
on
this
lot.
N
Yeah,
the
the
property
there's
one
door
down,
was
it
remodeled
kind
of
60s
style
and
they
put
and
they've
created
it
with
two
on-site
parking
spaces
as
the
community
looked
at
this,
the
concern
is
because
26th
street
gets
1800
cars
a
day
versus
24th
gets
300
cars
a
day.
So
there's
a
lot
of
car
traffic
on
this
and
you
get
pedestrians,
there's
no
sidewalk,
there's
no
gutter.
N
H
N
A
O
D
O
My
plan
is
to
keep
all
the
trees
that
are
better
there.
I
love
love,
trees,
don't
want
to
get
rid
of,
don't
want
to
get
rid
of
any
of
them.
Thankfully,
most
of
the
trees
are
on
the
south
side
of
the
property
and
they're
right
up
against
the
fence,
so
they
shouldn't
be
in
the
way
of
any
of
the
construction,
but
there's
the
one
huge
tree
in
the
front,
which
I
don't.
I
don't
see
it
being
a
problem
with
where
it's
at
right
now,
in
accordance
to
the
site.
A
N
N
N
O
Basically,
1718
the
way
that
it
it's
set
up.
It
is
part
of
it's
contributing,
so
it's
it's
gonna
be
remodeled,
as
is,
I
think,
originally
my
plan.
When
I
did
purchase
the
property
was
to
try
to
use
the
whole
property
to
do
one
large
building.
I
was
planning
on
tearing
that
down.
You
were
you're,
correct
and
building
one
nice
home
with
a
two-car
garage
in
the
back,
but
the
the
city
didn't
allow
that
it
wasn't
something
that
was.
O
I
wasn't
aware
of
that
and
wasn't
aware
of
the
substandard
lot,
and
so
that
was
the
route
that
I
decided
to
go
down.
The
only
way
to
make
the
project
work
and
also
to
be
able
to
add
housing
for
the
community.
So
that's
that's
why
it's
17-18,
but
that's
really
not
what
we're
discussing
it's
for
this
this
project,
and
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
all,
I'm
all
good.
So
thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
I'll,
make
a
motion
and
then
have
some
explanation.
If
I
get
a
second,
I
move
that
we
deny
the
appeal
of
drh
20-543
at
1714
north
26th
street,
and
uphold
the
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
single-family
residential
structure
and
detached
garage
on
a
vacant
substandard
lot
in
an
r1c
single-family
zone.
Second,.
D
D
H
I
I
recognize
it
can
be
difficult
to
figure
out
how
to
navigate
public
testimony,
especially
during
the
pandemic,
when
all
sorts
of
stuff
are
going
on
earlier.
In
the
session
I
had
several
times
when
my
internet
dropped,
and
you
know
was
always
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it.
So
I
asked
questions
hoping
that
there
was
something
different
that
you
were
bringing
up,
that
I
didn't
see
in
the
past
testimony
or
what
was
brought
up
in
the
original
meeting,
and
I
didn't
hear
anything
that
wasn't
represented.
B
A
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council.
This
is
an
appeal
of
site-specific
condition
of
approval
h,
which
did
not
allow
solar
panels
to
be
installed
on
the
street
on
the
side
street,
facing
elevation
of
the
contributing
house
properties
in
the
expanded
north
end
historic
district
and
considered
contributing.
M
Traditionally,
however,
the
historic
preservation
commission
approved
a
reorientation
of
the
house
so
that
it
faces
east.
The
panels
were
pro.
There
was
a
lot
going
on
with
this
project.
It
was
a
fairly
large
project
for
a
historic
district
project,
but
panels
were
proposed
to
be
installed
on
this
south
facing
roof
elevation,
which
would
now
become
the
side
street
elevation.
M
These
are
photos
of
the
house,
and
this
photo
in
the
upper
right
would
be
the
roof
elevation
where
the
panels
would
be
installed,
and
this
is
that
south
street
facing
elevation-
and
these
are
the
drawings,
the
bottom
drawing
the
top
drawing
is
the
is
the
new
front
elevation
to
the
east.
The
bottom
drawing
is
that
south
side
elevation
and
it
shows
the
actual
layout
of
the
panels
on
the
roof
there.
M
These
examples-
these
are
just
a
few
examples.
They
know
specific
to
solar
panels.
You
know
with
the
idea
not
to
install
panels
so
that
they
adversely
impact
the
historic
integrity
of
the
house.
No,
there
isn't
a
site-specific
or
there
isn't
specific
language
concerning
street
side
roof
elevations.
The
commission
has
traditionally
interpreted
the
guideline
language
to
exclude
panels
on
the
front
or
the
street
side
roof
elevation,
because
it's
highly
visible.
M
The
grounds
for
appeal
generally
address
the
necessity
of
the
south
facing
solar
panels
for
the
optimal
access
to
solar
and
also
address
that
there
isn't
a
site,
a
specific
guideline
that
disallows
solar
panels
on
that
on
that
elevation,
so
the
applicant
is,
is
correct.
In
those
points
the
the
south
facing
roof
does
have
generally
the
best
solar
access,
and
we
and
again
we
don't
have
that
specific
language
in
the
guidelines
with
the
popularity
of
solar
panels.
This
is
an
area
the
guidelines
can
be
better
clarified
or
addressed.
M
M
M
L
You,
madam
mayor,
yes,
ted.
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions
for
you,
and
hopefully
we
can
do
this
as
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
really
what
happened
in
the
hpc
and
the
basis
of
the
decision,
because,
as
you
mentioned,
the
discussion
of
the
solar
panels,
which
resulted
in
condition
h
really
was
in
passing.
L
And
so
from
that
and
I'd,
like
your
advice
on
whether
you
agree
with
his
interpretation
from
that,
I
deduced
that
the
commission
concluded
the
panels,
do
not
overwhelm
the
roof
line,
nor
do
nor
and
I
guess-
and
secondly,
the
panels
are
sufficiently
set
back
from
the
eaves.
In
other
words,
it's
only
their
location
on
this
south
street-facing
aspect.
That
is
an
issue,
so
we
we
can
safely
assume
as
we
listen
to
this-
that
they're
sufficiently
set
back
from
the
eaves
and
that
they
don't
dominate
the
roof
line.
M
Madam
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
I
think
so
with
a
roof
like
this,
you
know,
so
it's
a
pyramidal
style
of
roof,
so
placing
panels
on
one
of
those
sections
is
is
a
little
precarious
anyway,
because
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
space,
but
I
I
do
agree
with
what
that
was.
The
kind
of
the
tone
of
the
of
the
commission.
B
L
L
I'd
love
to
hear
from
the
applicant
later
about
how
they
deal
with
that.
My
question
for
you
is:
what
do
we
do
with
a
house?
That's
been
reoriented
because,
to
my
mind,
the
primary
street
facing
roof
face
is
now
on
17th
street
and
that's
not
the
face
that
they're
proposing
putting
these
panels
on,
and
so
this
didn't
come
up
in
the
packet,
and
I
wonder
if
staff
had
any
thoughts
along
those
lines
that
particular
guideline
language.
M
Mata
mayor
council,
member
beijing,
that's
correct,
so
that
that
little
line
in
the
guidelines
is
really
the
only
line
in
our
entire
guidelines
that
talks
about
a
street
facing
elevation
and
it
specifically
says
the
primary
street
facing
elevation.
So
that's
traditionally
interpreted
as
the
front
the
primary
where
the
primary
entrance
is
to
the
house.
So
in
this
case
the
orientation
of
the
house
is
now
towards
17th
street.
That
is
the
front.
This
becomes
the
south
street
facing
elevation
which
isn't
specifically
addressed
in
the
guidelines
like
I
mentioned.
D
D
Maintain
the
ability
to
interpret
the
historic
character
of
the
building
again,
that's
seems
that
it
will
still
be
able
to
be
interpreted
and
then
in
4-3-12
it
says
it's
appropriate
to
install
technology
in
such
a
way
that
it
can
be
readily
removed
and
the
original
character
easily
restored.
It
seems
like
it
meets
that
is
that
correct,
okay
and
that
it
will
use
materials
which
are
environmentally
friendly
and
that
will
not
interact
negatively
with
the
historic
building
materials.
D
D
Okay,
so
and
then
it
goes
on
to
minimize
the
effects
on
the
character
of
the
historic
building
and
at
the
very
end
of
that
it
talks
about,
what's
not
appropriate
in
the
primary
street
facing
roof
face,
and
so,
if
I
look
at
the
totality
of
that
guidance,
there's
only
one
place
where
arguably,
this
meets
the
guidance.
That
is
not
appropriate
and
probably
six
or
seven
places
where
it
is
appropriate.
D
M
D
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clegg,
they
do
the
guidelines
actually
have
some
language
in
there.
That
says,
if
it's
not
possible,
you
know
to
place
solar
panels
where
they
are
hidden
from
view
completely,
that
they
be
placed
in
a
way
that
where
they
are
set
back
from
the
eaves
and
set
back
from
the
ridgeline,
so
they're
not
maybe
covering
up
the
entire
section
of
the
roof.
D
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clegg,
it's
interesting.
You
bring
that
up,
because
the
commission
just
re,
approved
an
entire
tesla
solar
roof
for
a
contributing
house
in
the
north
end,
and
they
did
it
unanimously
with
joy
in
their
hearts.
I
think
they
were
very
impressed
with
the
technology
and
and
the
look
of
it
so
that
technology
was
was
easily
approved
by
the
by
the
commission.
So.
D
M
Madame
councilmember
clay,
I
think
that
that's
that's
accurate,
I
think.
With
the
solar
roof
situation,
the
entire
roof
looked
uniform
and
looked
the
same
and
the
applicants
you
know
contested
that
it
looked
like
a
slate:
a
slate
roof,
whereas
with
the
solar,
it's
kind
of
you
know,
maybe
on
one
roof
elevation
or
two
roof
elevations.
So
it
does
look
a
little
bit
different,
but
you
are
correct
that
it
is.
This
is
temporary
where
the
solar
roof
is
more
of
a
permanent
situation.
M
Madam
mayor
council,
member
holly
burton
we
rarely
get
these
coming
to
the
the
commission.
We've
only
we
did
have
a
situation
and
it
was
on
a
non-contributing
house
where
they
wanted
to
put
solar
panels
on
the
front
and
street
side
elevations
of
the
roof,
and
it
ended
up
being
allowed
in
that
situation.
We
haven't
had,
since
I've
been
doing
this
an
applicant
for
solar
panels
coming
to
the
to
the
commission
and
get
denied
location
of
a
solar
panel.
B
P
Hi,
I'm
at
442
west
thatcher
street
in
boise,
madame
marin,
members
of
the
city
council.
I
had
a
prepared
statement
of
basically
sort
of
outlining
almost
all
of
this
discussion
that
has
been
going
on,
so
I
think,
rather
than
then
reread
that
I
feel
like
most
of
the
information
that
we
wanted
to
have
out
is
has
been
discussed
so
far
if
possible.
P
E
B
A
A
Q
Building
tight
insulating
well
and
using
high
quality
products
will
help
make
our
home
as
efficient
as
it
can
be,
and
solar
panels
will
be
a
part
of
our
plan
to
offset
our
residual
energy
use
as
scott.
Well
as
our
supporting
documentation
detailed,
we
believed
our
solar
panel
should
have
been
allowed
on
our
side
yard,
based
on
the
design
guidelines
for
residential
historic
districts.
A
D
M
Madam
mayor
council
member
clegg,
the
commission
again
didn't
specifically
deliberate
on
the
solar
panels
or
the
location
of
the
solar
panels.
I
believe
there
was
just
one
question
during
the
entire
meeting
toward
the
the
appellants
on
that,
but
as
far
as
negatively
impacting
the
character
defining
elements
of
the
home,
I
I
think
I
don't
think
the
solar
panels
would
adversely
impact
the
character
defining
elements
of
the
home.
Okay,.
D
P
D
L
It
was
a
long
motion,
madam
mayor,
I
seconded
the
motion
because
I
think
in
this
case
the
commission's
decision
is
not
supported
by
substantial
evidence,
and
that
was
the
basis
of
my
second
and
the
reason
I
think
it
was
not
supported
by
substantial
evidence-
is
that
first
there's
very
little
discussion
in
the
record
about
solar
panels
period.
I
didn't
find
any
specific
findings
as
to
why
this
was
not
permitted,
except
for
the
the
the
fact
that
these
panels
are
on
a
roof
that
faces
a
street.
L
But
that's
not
the
totality
of
our
guidelines.
Our
guidelines
say
that
they
must
be
subordinate
to
the
roof
line,
which
we
know
in
this
case
is
correct,
because
the
commission
was
willing
to
place
them
on
an
identical
roof
line
facing
a
different
aspect.
They
say
they
must
be
sufficiently
set
back
from
the
eaves
to
not
create
a
visual
impact,
and
we
know
that's
the
case
here,
because
they
were,
they
were
deemed
appropriate
for
an
identical
aspect
on
a
different
side
of
the
house.
We
also
know
from
the
guidelines
that
they
shouldn't
be
solar.
L
Panels
should
not
be
located
on
the
street
facing
facade,
but
the
language
is
very
unclear
as
to
what
that
means.
Here.
We
know
they're
not
going
to
be
placed
on
the
primary
street
facing
facade
the
one
that
the
address
will
be
on
when
the
project
is
completely
done.
So
in
that
situation
you
have
to
look
at
what
all
of
the
standards
are
aiming
towards
and.
G
L
All
the
standards
are
aiming
towards.
First
is
workable,
solar
panels
on
historic
buildings
that
actually
function
the
guidelines
reference
in
a
number
of
different
places
that
if
the
placement
is
not
appropriate
because
the
solar
access
is
not
sufficient,
it's
okay
to
move
them
somewhere
else,
subject
to
certain
standards.
Second,
they
can't
dominate
the
structure,
but
we
know
that's
true
here.
Third,
they
have
to
be
constructed
and
placed
in
a
way
that
somehow,
in
some
way,
interfaces
with
the
street,
all
the
guidelines
say
is
not
on
the
primary
street.
L
So
in
that
case,
when
you
take
all
of
those
factors
together,
I
don't
think
we
got
a
ruling
here
that
considered
all
of
those
things
in
a
way
that
that's
based
on
sufficient
evidence.
When
we
look
at
them,
I
think
we
come
to
a
very
different
conclusion,
and
so
I
think
the
council
president's
motion
directing
staff
to
come
back
with
with
findings
and
recommendations
as
to
the
specific
factors
that
we
should
be
considering
in
this
case
is
the
right
way
to
go.
C
F
I
Adam
here,
just
briefly,
I
support
everything,
as
stated
by
our
my
three
colleagues
that
just
spoke
and
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
was
going
to
highlight
the
the
same
thing
council
member
woodings
did,
but
I'm
glad
she
went
first.
She
was
much
more
eloquent
than
I
could
have
been,
and
I
look
forward
to
that
discussion
as
well
be
very
supportive
of
finding
ways
to
incorporate
more
sustainability
measures
like
solar
panels
into
historic
districts,
regardless
of
where
it
is
on
the
roof.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
I
won't
be
voting.
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
coming
tonight.
I
really
appreciate
that
you
wanted
to
erase
this
to
this
level
one
because
your
commitment
to
clean
electricity,
but
two
and
most
importantly,
because
it's
important
that
would
be
flagged
for
us,
because
I
agree
that
we
should
not
have
processes
in
place
that
create
barriers
to
from
people
doing
what
needs
to
be
done
to
help
us
meet
our
long-term,
clean
energy
goals
and
on
that
I've
heard
from
from
council
members
that
we
should
be
talking
about
this.
You
know
in
general.
A
I
think
that
when
we
have
this
gathering
I'd
like
staff
to
do
some
thinking
around
other
city
policies
that
we
have
to
meet
our
overarching
housing,
affordability,
electricity
and
energy
efficiency
goals
and
how
those
interface
and
interplay
with
the
historic
commission
and-
and
I
don't
take
that
lightly
at
all.
But
we
need
to
recognize
that
to
preserve
our
neighborhoods,
we
have
to
make
them
workable
for
future
generations
and
that
will
entail
preserving
the
history
preserving
this
moment
in
time,
which
is
really
historic
in
terms
of
our
transition
to
clean
electricity.
A
Our
desires
as
a
municipal
government
to
reach
carbon
neutrality
and
ultimately,
what
that
means
for
not
only
our
city,
but
this
region,
state
and
country,
and
when
it
comes
to
energy
sources
and
long-term
affordability,
is
our
world
changes.
And
that
too,
is
part
of
the
historic
narrative
of
this
neighborhood
and
others.
And
so
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
ask
staff
to
do
to
do
an
assessment
of
the
goals
that
we
have
in
this
community
and
come
back
to
us
for
a
conversation.