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A
Well,
hello,
everybody,
sorry
I
was
running
late,
let's
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
order
clerk.
We
call
the
roll
agent.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much,
Madame
mayor
members
of
the
council.
We
have
11
interim
budget
changes
for
your
consideration
this
afternoon,
all
but
one
of
which
are
Revenue
neutral
or
budget
neutral.
C
C
Our
third
item
is,
for
various
fire
department
related
grants,
totaling
approximately
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
Equipment
Technology
and
training
associated
with
various
specialty
teams.
C
Our
fourth
item
is,
for
cloud-based
web
filtering
software
to
protect
users
from
accessing
suspect
websites
when
not
working
on
the
city's
Network.
This
project
will
be
funded
from
the
project
portfolio
contingency,
which
was
approved
by
the
city
council
as
part
of
the
fiscal
year.
23
adopted
budget.
C
Our
fifth
item
is
associated
with
the
permit
management
system
and
it
would
configure
that
system
to
reflect
the
new
zoning
districts
that
were
included
in
the
recently
approved
modern
zoning
code.
This
project
would
be
funded:
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
from
planning
and
development
services,
department,
mno
savings
and
sixty
five
thousand
dollars
from
the
aforementioned
project
portfolio.
Contingency.
C
Our
sixth
item
is
for
Investments
at
Idaho
ice
world.
The
these
Investments
would
be
funded,
utilizing
the
Idaho
ice
World
Reserve,
as
well
as
sponsorship
revenue
and
the
improvements
would
fund
dehumidifier
improvements,
LED
upgrade
and
a
divider
curtain
out
at
that
facility.
C
Our
seventh
item
is
for
non-congregate
Sheltering
services.
This
funding
was
contemplated
in
the
development
of
the
fiscal
year
2024
budget,
which
includes
funding
from
October
1st
through
mid-april
of
2024..
C
This
particular
investment
would
allow
for
the
continuation
of
those
Services
through
the
end
of
this
calendar
year
and
those
shelter
services
are
anticipated
to
be
available
until
a
new,
expanded,
permanent
overnight
shelter
is
available.
C
Advanced
Advance
advancement
of
those
Investments
that
were
included
in
the
fiscal
year
24
proposed
budget
are
recommended
recommended
so
that
the
implementation
work
can
begin
and
the
Investments
include
a
contract
for
a
hearing,
Examiner
certain
hiring
activities
associated
with
the
senior
admin
specialist
and
the
senior
planner
and
Professional
Services
funding
to
align
the
modern
zoning
code
with
City
design,
standards,
planning
and
development
services,
department
policies
and
procedures,
as
well
as
the
climate
action
roadmap.
C
C
Our
10th
item
is
for
recycled
water,
characterization
costs.
This
item
would
be
funded
from
a
fund
balance
within
the
water
renewal
fund.
The
investment
total
is
1.2
million
dollars
and
it
would
ensure
site
characterization
of
potential
sites
for
the
future
recycled
water
facility
and
groundwater
recharge
site
can
proceed
without
any
interruption,
and
our
last
item
is
an
information
only
item
associated
with
previously
approved
Investments
at
the
downtown
library
in
May.
C
There
was
an
IBC
that
was
approved
by
the
council
that
indicated
that
three
projects
the
first
floor,
Renovations
at
the
main
library
space
study
and
the
fourth
floor,
Renovations,
would
be
accounted
for
in
distinct
projects.
However,
upon
further
review
recommendation
is
to
fold
those
into
existing
projects,
so
in
subsequent
quarterly
reports
and
capital
status
reports
you'll
see
those
items
folded
into
those
two
other
projects.
E
No
questions
just
a
couple
comments.
There's
some
just
really
really
amazing,
amazing
things
in
some
of
these
changes,
Partnerships
with
other
organizations,
some
much
needed
Renovations
at
the
downtown
library,
and
then
you
know
even
some
lots
of
things
that
are
Grant
funded
and
really
excited
about
the
mental
health
and
wellness
Grant
with
the
police
department.
It's
you
know
so
great
to
see
some
of
these
things
in
here.
There
is
some
use
of
council
contingency
funds
and
when
I
was
looking
through,
this
I
remember
the
council.
E
F
G
Madam
mayor
yeah
I
commit
to
being
available
and
be
helpful
in
any
way
that
I
possibly
can
to
my
fellow
council
members.
G
E
B
A
All
in
favor
motion
carries
thank
you,
Eric
and
next
up.
We
have
Nikki
Helen
camp
and
looks
like
a
team
of
folks
actually
that
are
here
to
present
the
tenant
protections
ordinance
we
have
on
here
40
minutes,
because
we
just
didn't
update
the
agenda,
it'll
be
half
an
hour
and
that's
what
you
were
planning
for.
A
That's
what
we
were
planning
for
great
and
as
you'll
recall,
Nikki
was
with
us
in
the
spring,
took
feedback
from
Council
and
Council
asked
her
to
do
engagement
with
stakeholders
with
the
public
and
then
to
return
with
information
and
recommendations.
Based
on
that.
H
Thanks
very
much
Madam
mayor
members
of
council
Nikki
hellenkamp
pleasure
to
be
here
with
you
today,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
with
the
challenging
housing
market
that
we
have
seen
in
Boise
and
across
the
state
in
recent
years.
Council
with
the
mayor's
support,
has
directed
staff
to
look
at
all
of
the
tools
we
have
to
address
housing,
affordability,
stability
and
access.
H
The
city
has
taken
action
on
this
front
by
allocating
funds
for
the
development
of
affordable
housing
and
by
moving
forward
a
modernized
zoning
code
that
attempts
to
allow
the
market
to
better
address
our
communities.
Housing
Supply
needs
a
third
area
that
this
Council
has
taken.
Previous
action
on
and
directed
directed
staff
to
look
at
further
relates
to
tenant
protections,
given
that
about
40
percent
of
Boise
households
are
renting
their
homes.
This
is
an
issue
that's
relevant
not
only
to
those
individual
renters
and
their
landlords,
but
also
to
businesses
for
whom
hiring
stability.
Excuse
me.
H
Housing
stability
for
their
employees
often
translates
to
Workforce
stability,
to
Institutes
of
higher
education,
whose
students
and
staff
are
often
reliant
on
the
rental
housing
market
and
to
any
boiseans
who
want
to
live
in
a
community
where
it's
possible
for
people
to
Access
housing
and
to
stay
in
their
homes.
In
looking
at
the
question
of
how
prevalent
the
community
concerns
around
housing
access
and
stability,
are
we
looked
at
some
research
that
was
done
by
the
Idaho
policy
Institute?
This
is
from
their
2023
public
policy
survey.
H
In
asking
the
question
of
whether
this
is
a
widespread
concern.
We
can
see
here
that
we
likely
do
have
many
people
in
our
community
who
may
be
concerned
about
what
they
would
do
if
they
lost
their
housing
and
so
really
wanting
to
take
a
look
here
at
housing,
access
and
stability
and,
in
particular,
at
the
tenant
protections
that
we
discussed
previously.
The
draft
ordinances
that
we're
bringing
forward
today
are
the
result
of
conversations
that
we've
had
with
key
stakeholders,
including
both
landlord
and
tenant
groups.
H
Unsurprisingly,
we've
heard
from
many
tenant
Advocates
that
the
proposed
ordinances
don't
go
far
enough
and
there
are
also
some
landlords
who
feel
that
any
action
taken
by
the
city
to
regulate
their
industry
is
unacceptable
in
the
ordinances
we're
bringing
you
today,
we've
worked
to
try
to
to
balance
the
perspectives
of
both
groups
and
we
believe
that
they
represent
a
measured
approach
that
would
improve
housing,
stability
and
access
in
our
community
without
creating
undue
burden
on
housing
providers
and
I'll
also
say
that
they've
been
crafted
with
a
lot
of
input
from
those
landlord
groups
about
how
to
address
their
concerns.
H
So
we're
here
to
get
your
feedback
today
on
those
drafts,
as
well
as
your
direction
for
possible
next
steps.
The
last
time
you
took
up
this
topic.
We
looked
at
some
proposed
solutions
that
Community
groups
in
Boise
had
identified
as
being
potentially
effective
tools
to
address
barriers
to
housing,
access
and
stability
for
renters,
and
you
asked
for
additional
discussion
around
the
following.
I've
got
the
four
up
there
just
as
a
reminder,
and
you
also
ask
that
staff
conduct
stakeholder
and
community
outreach
and
come
back
to
council
with
the
results
of
that
with
the
draft
ordinances.
H
So
between
the
four
proposals
and
the
stakeholder
and
community
outreach,
we've
got
kind
of
a
full
plate
in
front
of
us,
so
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
to
move
us
through,
as
as
best
I
can
I'm
going
to
take
us
through
the
results
of
that
Outreach
generally
and
then,
as
it
relates
to
each
of
the
specific
proposals
that
you
have
before
you
for
your
consideration,
and
since
we
have
a
lot
to
get
through,
I
would
welcome
any
questions
you
have
as
we
go
along
just
so
that
you
don't
lose
track
of
them.
H
It
is
rail
week
here
in
Boise,
so
I
was
going
to
try
to
turn
that,
like
don't
lose
track
of
it
into
some
kind
of
like
train
metaphor,
but
I
just
didn't
have
it
in
me.
If
somebody
has,
you
know
notes
afterwards.
Let
me
know
always
welcome
always
welcome
a
train
related
metaphor.
So
with
that,
let's
leave
the
station
and
I'll
tell
you
what
we've
been
doing
so
targeted
stakeholder
engagement.
H
We
also
conducted
five
community
outreach
sessions
for
the
general
public.
Four
of
them
were
in-person
evening
meetings
in
areas
of
our
city
that
have
the
highest
population
of
people
who
rent
their
homes,
and
we
held
an
internal
focus
group
here
with
city
of
Boise
employees
who
volunteered
to
share
their
input.
We
also
launched
a
web
page
that
mirrored
The
in-person
Experience,
featuring
a
comment
form
for
people
to
provide
feedback
digitally
and
in
a
moment,
I
will
go
over
kind
of
the
results
of
that
community
outreach.
H
The
online
survey
was
certainly
the
most
robust
form
of
response
that
we
got
from
the
community
on
these
from
the
general
community.
On
these
proposals
we
had
over
100
responses.
60
of
those
were
from
people
who
said
they
were
renters
in
Boise
and
of
those
70
percent
said
that
they,
the
proposed
protections,
address
issues
facing
renters.
The
remaining
30
percent
in
the
open
comment
section
indicated
that
they
didn't
feel
that
the
proposed
protections
addressed
issues
facing
renters,
because
they
do
not
go
far
enough
and
almost
nearly
100
of
the
time.
H
The
reason
they
were
saying
that
had
to
do
with
affordability,
that
about
half
of
the
renters
use
the
open
comment
section
to
voice
specifically
voice,
a
desire
for
some
kind
of
cap
or
limitation
on
rent
increases.
So
that
is
something
that
came
through
very
loud
and
clear
from
that
Outreach
and,
of
course,
under
state
law.
H
The
city
of
Boise
does
not
have
the
ability
to
impose
a
cap
or
a
limitation
on
rent
increases,
and
so
then
the
question
and
that
we
really
got
into
in
more
depth
with
our
stakeholder
groups
was
so
if
we
can't
address
affordability
because
of
these
limitations
from
the
state.
Then
what
else?
What
is
within
our
power
as
a
city
to
address
when
it
comes
to
stability
and
access
for
our
for
our
residents?
H
So
some
common
overall
messages
from
renters
and
again
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
big
picture
overall
messages.
We
heard
and
then
go
through
each
of
the
proposals
and
what
we
heard
there
so
overall,
as
I
mentioned
support
for
the
proposals.
Certainly,
a
lot
of
Stories
of
the
stress
and
fear
that
result
from
a
lack
of
housing,
stability
and
access
I
mentioned
before
concerns
that
the
proposals
don't
go
far
enough.
H
We
received
a
good
number
of
questions
about
protections
that
already
exist
so
pointing
to
the
need
for
education
and
making
people
aware,
and
also
request
to
address
additional
issues,
including
things
like
housing
quality
from
landlords
we
heard
from
some
landlords.
We
heard
a
concern
that
the
protections
will
create
an
unnecessary
burden,
concern
that
tenants
who
are
not
paying
rent
or
otherwise
violating
their
lease
would
somehow
be
protected
from
eviction.
H
H
I'll
address
these
concerns
and
how
we
took
them
into
account
as
we
drafted
ordinances
when
we
go
through
those
specific
protections,
but
I
will
say
now
that,
with
the
engagement
we
did,
we
feel
that
we
again
worked
really
hard
to
balance
the
the
concerns
and
priorities
of
both
parties
and
again
we
really
benefited
from
the
landlord
group's
willingness
to
engage
with
us
on
how
to
reduce
that
burden.
H
So,
starting
with
prohibiting
retaliation,
the
feedback
we
received
from
stakeholders
on
this
tenant
advocacy
groups
reported
retaliation
as
a
frequent
area
of
concern
that
they
hear
from
folks
reaching
out
for
assistance.
We
heard
some
opposition
from
Land
landlord
groups
on
this
one
While
others
did
not
have
concerns.
So
you
know
hearing
kind
of
a
mixed
bag
here.
I
think
one
thing
that
helped
some
of
those
landlord
groups
feel
more
comfortable
with
it
was.
We
did
have
some
questions
related
to
how
retaliatory
actions
would
be
defined,
and
so
there
was
a
question.
H
For
example,
you
know
one
of
the
protected
activities
for
attendance
is
if
a
tenant
hires
an
attorney
to
represent
them
that
then
they
shouldn't
be
retaliated
against
for
doing
so,
and
we
got
a
question
from
landlords
around
okay.
Well,
if
my
tenant
hires
an
attorney
and
then
I
hire
an
attorney
because
they
hired
an
attorney,
then
am
I
going
to
be,
am
I
did
I
just
retaliate
against
them
by
hiring
an
attorney.
So
of
course,
in
that
case,
no
we're
hiring.
Your
own
attorney
would
not
be
considered
a
retaliatory
action
and
listed
on
the
left.
H
There
are
a
few
examples
from
the
ordinance
that
of
what
could
be
considered
retaliatory
actions
to
really
make
that
clear
for
folks.
So
that
was
one
of
the
areas
where
we
were
able
to
take
that
feedback
and
make
sure
it
was
really
addressed
in
the
ordinance
and
the
language
there
around.
What
those
retaliatory
actions
could
consist
of
is
taken
from
state
code.
H
The
next
one
was
a
notice
of
Rights
and
responsibilities.
We
heard
General
agreement
from
both
tenant
and
landlord
groups
on
this
that
this
seemed
like
something
that
they
could
get
behind,
particularly
once
their
concerns
were
addressed
and
I'll
say
the
biggest
concern
we
received
on
this.
One
was
just
a
worry
from
landlords
that
am
I
going
to
be
responsible
for
creating
this
notice
of
Rights
and
responsibilities,
and
how
am
I
supposed
to
to
do
that
so
being
able
to
help
people
understand?
No,
that's
that
wouldn't
be
your
responsibility.
H
H
We
got
lots
of
great
suggestions
from
that
stakeholder
engagement
about
the
resources
to
include.
We
received
requests
for
the
document
to
be
made
available
in
multiple
languages
and
a
real
emphasis
on
the
need
for
clear
and
concise
language,
so
that
was
some
of
the
kind
of
helpful
feedback
we
received
on
that
one.
E
And
Mary
on
this
one
just
to
be
clear:
we
don't
have
this
document
outlined
already
or
do
we
have
a
draft
of
the
document
in
place.
H
Madam
mayor
council
member,
thank
you.
The
we
do
not
currently
have
a
draft
in
place.
The
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
stakeholders
in
the
community
group
gave
us
a
great
list
of
things
that
we
could
potentially
include,
and
if
this
was
something
that
the
council
wanted
to
move
forward
would
be
happy
to
come
back
with
a
draft
if
that's
of
interest
and
would
be
looking
for
a
lot
of
feedback
from
those
groups
that
support
tenants
as
well
as
from
landlords
around
you
know,
does.
Does
this
hit
the
mark?
E
G
Mayor
I
think
early
on,
we
talked
about
posting
this
in
a
common
area,
particularly
on
like
a
larger,
a
larger
rental
property.
G
H
Madam
mayor
council,
president
woodings,
one
of
the
things
we
heard
from
the
housing
providers
was
a
concern.
They
said.
You
know
this
happens
all
the
time
where,
if
we
print
something-
and
it
goes
out
of
date-
we
don't
know
and
then
we're
responsible,
because
we've
got
a
three-year-old
thing
on
the
wall
and
we
didn't
update
whatever
it
is,
and
so
what
we
went
with
in
this
draft
is
to
say:
okay,
your
responsibilities
just
to
provide
the
URL.
G
Yeah
I
think
that
that
that
piece
is
really
important
because
we
get
links
to
things
all
the
time.
But
then
you
forget
that
you
got
that
link
and
so
I
think
that
just
having
that
kind
of
physical
reminder
in
A
Accessible
place
where
people
can
see
it
that
they
do
have
rights
and
you
know
act
and
are
able
to
access
what
those
rights
are
is
really
important
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it's
like
a
QR
code
that
takes
them
to
the
page
or
something
like
that.
B
H
H
We
certainly
heard
opposition
to
this
from
some
landlords,
particularly
in
terms
of
concerns
around
administrative
burden
and
I
will
say,
I
think
some
of
those
concerns
are
are
fair
and
because
it
would,
there
are
things
that
a
landlord
has
to
do
with
some
subsidy
programs
in
order
to
comply
and
I
think
there
are
also
some
very
common
Mis
misconceptions
about
the
way
that
these
subsidy
programs
operate,
that
are
out
there
in
the
community
that
cause
people,
fear
and
worry,
but
may
not,
actually,
you
know
hold
up
as
real
so
and
we
also
heard
from
some
landlord
groups
if
they
didn't
have
concerns
around
this
issue.
H
I
think
the
education
piece
is
really
going
to
be
key
here,
as
we
consider
this
one
and
I
will
say
that
efforts
are
already
underway
between
several
of
the
landlords.
Who've
landlord
groups
that
have
connected
with
the
housing
authority
to
discuss,
collaborating
on
trainings
for
their
membership,
so
that
people
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions,
get
clarity
on
some
of
those
common
misperceptions
and
be
prepared
to
comply
if
an
ordinance
is
passed.
So,
like
I,
said,
those
conversations
are
kind
of
in
early
stages,
but
really
looking
at.
H
How
would
education
make
it
possible
for
this
to
be
again
the
least
burden
on
a
housing
provider
that
is
possible
and
finally
relocation
assistance?
So
this
one
was
certainly
a
big
topic
of
discussion
here
with
you
all
and
certainly
out
in
the
community,
so
on
the
left
here
in
the
blue.
These
are
the
four
options
that
you
all
discussed
and
that
we
also
took
out
into
those
Community
conversations
in
terms
of
what
relocation
assistance
could
look
like
and
as
you'll
remember.
H
So
some
of
the
common
areas
of
concern
around
this
that
we
heard
one
had
to
do
with
the
question
of
applying
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
to
situations
that
might
be
quite
different
right,
depending
on
the
income,
depending
on
the
demographics
of
a
specific
you
know,
building
you
might
have
different
needs
in
terms
of
what
that
assistance
in
order
to
be
effective
would
look
like,
and
under
the
current
current
zoning
code,
there
is
some
ability,
for
that
case-by-case
basis
to
be
taken
into
account
through
the
requirement
for
a
conditional
use.
H
Permit
I
will
say
that
the
option
for
assistance
with
the
Housing
search
was
not
particularly
popular
with
landlord
or
tenant
groups,
so
would
not
necessarily
recommend
that
one
and
certainly
area
of
concern
around
legal
risks
to
requiring
cash
payment
or
increased
notice,
so
where
we
really
landed
with
this
was
the
full
security
deposit
return
and
again.
This
is
only
in
situations
where
you're
talking
about
tenants
who
are
being
permanently
displaced
due
to
demolition
or
substantial
rehab.
H
That
permanent
displacement
piece
was
another
thing
that
we
an
area
of
concern.
We
heard
from
housing
providers
of
wanting
to
make
sure
it
was
clear
that
this
is
in
a
situation
where
a
security
deposit
is
being
returned,
because
this
is
the
end
of
this
is
the
end
of
our
tenant
landlord
relationship.
It's
not
a
situation
where
it's
a
fire
or
flood
and
somebody's
going
to
be
returning
back
to
their
unit,
so
wanting
to
make
sure
that
that
is
clear
and
I
mean.
H
Essentially,
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
that
the
idea
that,
when
a
building
is
being
demolished
or
substantially
rehabbed
and
people
have
to
permanently
relocate
as
a
result,
they
would
at
minimum,
have
the
Peace
of
Mind
of
knowing
that
they
could
count
on
the
full
return
of
their
security
deposit,
because
the
building's
coming
down
right
so
to
have
to
know
that
you're
not
going
to
have
to
go
through
the
back
and
forth
of.
Is
this
more
than
usual
wear
and
tear
on
the
carpet?
H
Is
the
paint
scuffed
right,
because
these
walls
are
going
to
get
knocked
down
anyway,
to
have
that
peace
of
mind
to
be
able
to
count
on
that
money
coming
back
to
them
in
the
time
frame
required
by
state
law
and
to
plan?
H
Accordingly,
we
heard
support
from
tenants
for
any
kind
of
additional
protection
in
these
situations,
but
certainly
some
concern
that
this
does
not
go
far
enough
in
addressing
the
larger
costs
and
impact
of
displacement
and,
after
some
strong
initial
opposition
to
the
idea
of
relocation
assistance,
we
we
heard
from
landlord
groups
that
they
had
far
fewer
concerns.
I'm
gonna
fix
my
slide
far
fewer.
Instead
of
no
concerns
around
security,
deposit
return
as
being
kind
of
where
to
land
here.
B
H
Mayor
council,
member,
hey
Keith,
yes,
thank
you
for
the
question
in
the
draft
ordinance,
it
speaks
to
give
creating
a
rebuttable
presumption
that
there
is
a
full
Return
of
the
security
deposit,
and
the
ordinance
itself
gives
the
example
of
an
extreme
case
as
one
in
which
a
tenant
has
damaged
or
removed
fixtures
that
the
landlord
had
planned
to
reuse
or
sell.
H
Great,
we
received
lots
of
questions
about
how
these
ordinances
would
be
enforced,
and
so
I'll
say
that
currently,
the
city's
residential
rental
application
fee
ordinance
is
enforced
through
Code
Compliance
and
after
conversation
with
code
compliance.
Their
recommendation
was
to
if
these
ordinances
were
passed,
to
monitor
the
volume
of
complaints
and
assess
whether
additional
resources
are
needed.
We
received
requests
from
community
members
to
make
the
enforcement
process
as
predictable
and
transparent
as
possible
for
all
parties.
H
So,
in
terms
of
the
way
this
works
is
you
know,
violations
are
can
be
reported
by
email
or
phone
to
our
Code.
Compliance
team
co-compliance
then
investigates
educates
and
provides
the
opportunity
to
come
into
compliance
if
an
ordinance
appears
to
have
been
violated.
If,
after
that,
opportunity
has
been
given,
someone
fails
to
comply.
This
could
potentially
result
in
an
infraction
and
multiple
instances
of
just
flagrantly.
H
H
So,
in
terms
of
potential
next
steps,
we
did
hear
a
request
from
several
groups,
for
if
this
was
something
that
Council
decided
to
move
forward
on
for
a
delayed
implementation
date
to
push
out
to
January
1st,
to
allow
for
those
education
efforts
that
I
mentioned
earlier
and
I'll
say
that
I
think
that
would
also
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city.
So
the
implementation
efforts
wouldn't
be
rushed
if
that's
something
that
the
council
decides
to
move
forward.
F
I
have
three
so
I
can
just
go
through
specific
pieces
of
feedback
or
questions
about
the
income
discrimination
Provisions,
it's
all
based
on
the
draft
ordinance
you
sent.
The
first
was
I
noticed
that
you've
done
the
Mrs
Murphy
type
exception
for
somebody
who
is
renting
a
room
in
their
home
or
a
duplex
where
it's
owner
occupied
and
then
renting
out
the
second
one
and
I
think
that's
awesome,
but
it's
defined
as
people
who
are
two
families
inside
of
one
building
and
that
therefore
wouldn't
apply
to
an
Adu
where
one
of
the
properties
is
owner,
occupied.
F
I.
Think
one
of
the
goals
of
our
zoning
code
is
to
encourage
people
to
be
renting
out.
Their
adus,
so
is
probably
tricky
to
write
in
a
way
that
includes
two
separate
buildings
in
the
Adu
situation,
but
doesn't
create
a
loophole
for
property
managers.
My
direction
would
be
to
figure
it
out,
but
but
I
wanted
to
flag
that,
because
I
do
think.
There's
a
policy
goal
in
our
zoning
code
that
we
inadvertently
missed
a
little
bit
here
on
the
income
discrimination,
the
types
of
income
that
can't
be
discriminated
against.
F
There's
a
list
I
personally,
would
add
small
business
income
or
K1
income,
because
people
in
that
situation-
somebody
especially
just
starting
a
business,
often
has
a
very
hard
time
with
lenders
in
other
places
and
I'm
sure
it's
true
of
landlords
personally
and
the
other,
the
rest
of
the
council
members
may
feel
differently.
I
would
exclude
gift
income
I
think
it's
perfectly
reasonable
for
a
landlord
to
say:
wait
a
minute.
F
You've
documented
your
income
based
on
a
five
thousand
dollar
gift
from
a
stranger-
and
you
know,
I-
have
questions
about
that,
because
I
need
to
enter
a
business
relationship
with
you.
So
that's
my
personal
view.
Others
May
disagree
and
then
the
last
piece
of
feedback
is
it
has
to
do
with
the
way
we
set
this
up.
We
added
it
to
the
non-discrimination
ordinance,
which
makes
sense
it's
a
different
type
of
discrimination,
but
there's
some
features
of
that
ordinance
that
have
to
do
with
gender
identity,
Etc
and
then
religious
organizations.
So
there's
a
carve
out.
F
For
example,
the
ordinance
doesn't
apply
at
all
to
churches.
Well,
we
probably
do
want
churches
to
be
not
discriminating
on
the
basis
of
income
and
there's
no
religious
objection
there.
So
we
may
need
to
carve
up
what
portions
do
and
don't
apply
to
the
religious
exemption
if
that
makes
sense,
and
then
totally
ticky
tacky,
instead
of
saying
in
the
ordinance,
nothing
that
interferes
with
Boy
Scouts
versus
Dale,
which
is
a
very
old
discrimination
case.
E
Mere
I
think
just
a
a
question
maybe
to
follow
up
there.
I
knew
the
council
member
of
agent
would
come
with
some
very,
very
specific
things
related
to
language,
so
I
appreciate
you
doing.
That
is.
Is
gifts
considered
a
legal
source
of
income?
It
is.
H
Council
member
excuse
me
Madam
air
council,
member
Hallie
Burton.
Yes,
this
is
something
that's
commonly
included
in
this
type
of
ordinance
and
I
and
would
be
as
long
as
it's
considered
as
long
as
it's
legal
and
verifiable.
You
know.
Sometimes
you
have
a
situation
where
someone
is
receiving
an
ongoing
gift
like
in
the
form
of
an
allowance
from
a
parent,
and
sometimes
that
can
be
counted
in
that
way
as
income.
H
But
that's
I'd
have
to
do
some
more
kind
of
looking
into
that
to
to
see
how
that's
been
treated
in
other
places.
Yeah.
G
I
just
want
to
thank
Nikki
for
her
really
hard
work
on
this
I
know
that
you've
been
doing
a
ton
of
research
and
been
working
diligently
with
legal
to
make
to
make
drafts
of
all
of
these
ordinances.
It
was
really
interesting
because
we
had
an
interaction
with
our
neighbor
yesterday
and
he
was
asking
us
because
he
lives
in
a
basement
apartment
that
apparently
has
a
ton
of
spiders
and
he's
like
how
do
I
get
rid
of
spiders
like
it's.
G
Not
your
house
call
your
landlord
and
he
was
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
nervous
about
well
what
if
I
call
my
landlord
and
what,
if
they
get
upset
and
I'm
like
they
can't
it's
illegal
for
them
to
retaliate
against
you,
and
so
I
know
that
there's
case
law.
That
says
that
but
I
think
that
adding
this
extra
layer
of
awareness
and
a
city
ordinance
to
really
back
that
up
could
have
a
lot
of
teeth
and
really
help
out
a
lot
of
people.
So
I
would
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work.
I.
I
H
Mayor
council,
member
Nash
you're
speaking
specifically
about
the
source
of
income
discrimination
piece
to
council
member
of
agent's
concerns
yeah.
So
we
did
and
I
I
will
answer
this
short
and
then
I
can
follow
up
with
you
with
more
information.
I
know
that
our
legal
department
looked
at
the
different
options
in
terms
of
what
would
make
the
most
sense
within
our
code
and
they
went
with
within
the
existing
anti-discrimination
ordinance,
but
other
options
work
can
were
considered
and
were
we
saw
them
as
being
potentially
viable.
E
Ben
Mary
yeah,
so
just
a
a
couple
of
things.
One
I
certainly
am
open
to
staff,
taking
a
look
at
gifts
and
see
how
they
fit
I.
Think
if
it's
a
legal
source
of
income
it
may
be
cleaner
and
smoother
to
incorporate
all
of
it
and
not
pick
and
choose
which
ones
may
be
in
there,
but
certainly
open
to
staff.
E
You
know
taking
a
look,
taking
a
look
at
that
and
seeing
you
know
what
other
cities
have
done,
the
issues
that
that
might
create
if
we
pulled
one
out
you
know
versus
having
them
be
more
comprehensive.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
to
figure
out.
E
Does
this
belong
in
the
anti-discrimination
ordinance
and
and
or
does
it
not
and
I
know
that
other
cities
tend
to
find
that
the
anti-discrimination
ordinance
is
really
you
know
where,
where
it
belongs,
and
also
that
it's
sort
of
the
right
thing
to
do,
you
shouldn't
discriminate
on
someone
if
they
have
a
legal
source
of
income,
you
know
looking
for
housing,
especially
when
the
housing
market
is
as
tight
as
it
is,
and
it's
difficult
to
get
in,
and
we
know
that.
E
There's
data
that
shows
when
these
types
of
Solutions
are
put
forward,
one
of
the
largest
impacts
is
it
actually
gets
people
into
areas
of
town
that
they
might
not
have
been
able
to
get
in.
E
I
guess
one
other
piece
of
Direction
I
might
give
would
be
to
look
at
the
at
whether
doing
just
a
link,
you
know
would
be
the
right
way
to
go
or
if
having
something
printed
would
make
a
difference
and
I
guess.
E
My
thoughts
here
is
that
if
there
is
somebody
who
maybe
lacks
internet
access,
if
you
are
doing
something
that,
maybe
you
know
isn't
in
somebody's
first
language
and
it's
hard
to
navigate
having
a
printed
out
thing
may
be
easier
for
them
to
to
work
with,
and
so
and
the
other
thing
that
we
heard
was
some
of
the
communication
with
the
public
was
that
when
somebody
renews
their
lease
that
maybe
that's
a
good
opportunity
to
then
update,
you
know
any
sort
of
changes
that
have
been
made
or
to
make
sure
that
they
have
another
copy.
E
You
know
those
those
tenant
rights
and
I
do
think
that
there's
probably
a
way
whether
it's
online
or
if
it's
printed
for
there
to
be
something
on
the
bottom.
That
says
these
may
change
over
time
and
for
the
most
current
edition
you
know
go
to
this
link,
but
actually
having
a
hard
copy.
I
do
think
that
there
may
be
some
value,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
advise
taking
an
additional
look
at
that
maybe
doing
some
Outreach
to
some
of
the
folks
that
we've
worked
with
and
seeing
if
they
have
any
thoughts.
E
If
that
would
be
advantageous
specifically
with
our
communities
where
English
is
a
second
language,
are
there
additional?
Is
there
additional
Direction
needed.
H
No
Madam
mayor
council
members,
thank
you,
I've
taken
some
some
good
notes
and
a
few
afterwards.
You
know
think
of
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
share.
Please
let
me
know,
and
then
we
can
kind
of
keep
you
a
prize
of
next
steps.
Great
go.
A
E
And
remember
what
that
might
look
like
I
guess
that
would
be
coming
back
to
us
with
any
sort
of
input
that
we've
given
taken
into
account
and
I.
Guess?
How
would
those
next
steps
look
like?
Would
that
come
in
the
form
of
an
additional
work
session,
a
public
hearing
with
those
things
Incorporated,
I,
guess
my
my
point
of
view
is
that
we've
done
this
work
session.
We've
done
the
Outreach.
E
We've
actually
done
a
couple
of
work
sessions
on
it
now
with
potential
changes
that
it
could
come
in
the
form
of
an
actual
public
hearing
to
get
public
input,
and
then,
if
adopted,
it
would
take
effect
on
the
January
first
date
that
you
mentioned.
Do
you
see
it
moving
in
that
direction,
or
do
you
see
a
different
path.
A
B
Metamere
one
final
question:
Nikki,
thank
you
for
all
your
work
here.
I
know
that
you
received
a
lot
of
variety
of
feedback,
because
I'm
just
curious
if
there
were
other
we've
had
those
four
items
on
our
list
for
quite
some
time.
If
there
were
other
issues,
I'm
sure
there
are
many,
but
that
at
least
there
was
maybe
some
consensus
around,
especially
from
your
tenant
advocacy
groups
that
we
should
be
considering,
maybe
in
the
future.
Maybe
not
at
this
point
that
we
need
to
be
keeping
on
our
radar
and
evaluating
going
forward.
H
Yes,
Madam
mayor
council,
member
Haney,
Keith,
absolutely
I
think
as
I
mentioned,
housing
quality
is
something
that
certainly
came
up
multiple
times
and
questions
around
whether
I'm
not
I,
I'm
interested
in
digging
in
a
bit
more
around
whether
there's
an
ordinance
there
or
whether
it's
just
a
matter
of
City
policy.
In
terms
of
when
somebody
has
some
kind
of
housing
quality
issue,
what
is
the
city's
kind
of
code
code?
Team's
response,
if,
what's
essentially
being
alleged,
is
a
violation
of
our
housing
code?
What
does
that
look
like?
H
Is
there
a
way
in
which
there's
a
response
that
you
know
addresses
the
tenants
concerns,
but
also
doesn't
expose
the
tenant
unnecessarily
to
potential
retaliation?
If
someone's
not
happy
that
you
know,
Code
Compliance
got
called
on
them.
So
that's
something
that
we
certainly
heard
questions
around
I
already
mentioned
the
that
a
lot
of
the
conversation
was
around.
Isn't
there
anything
we
can
do
about
increases
in
rents,
so
that
is
certainly
a
big
one
and
then
I
think
there
were
a
lot
of
sort
of
interesting
beginnings
of
conversations
around
well.
H
What
about
security
deposits?
Is
there
something
there
or
what
about?
What
about?
A
requirement
that
there
be
registration
for
landlords,
long-term
landlords
in
the
short,
in
the
same
way
that
there
are,
for
you
know
our
airbnbs
and
so
I-
think
we're
kind
of
at
those
early
stages
was
those
additional
questions,
but
we'll
certainly
be
interested
in
in
moving
those
discussions
forward.
H
So
looking
forward
to
that
continued
discussion
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
interest
from
landlords
and
from
tenants
in
continuing
that
conversation
and
have
really
appreciate,
did
again
people's
generosity
with
their
time
and
willingness
to
really
deeply
engage
around
these
issues.
Great.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
So
look
forward
to
public
hearing
it'll
be
posted,
look
forward
to
hearing
from
residents
renters
stakeholders,
anybody
at
all
that
wants
to
help
influence
and
inform
this
policy
as
we
take
the
next
steps
on
housing,
affordability
for
boycians.
Thank
you,
Nikki
very
much
thanks
very
much
now
we've
got
one
more
Christine.
Miller
is
with
us.
A
Christine
is
up
here
occasionally,
but
not
all
that
often
so,
as
many
of
you
know,
Christine
says
Deputy
Chief
of
Staff
at
the
city
and
is
here
to
discuss
graffiti
prevention
and
cleanup,
as
it's
called
I
asked
our
team,
both
the
police
department
in
conversations
with
the
chief
and
then
the
team
here
at
the
city,
to
come
up
with
proposals
to
address
the
cleanup
of
graffiti,
because
what
we've
determined
is
particularly
where
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
clean
up
quickly.
But
it's
on
private
property.
D
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
as
mayor
said
here,
at
your
request
and
on
behalf
of
a
very
large
team
of
City
staff,
who's
been
working
on
this
behind
the
scenes.
Our
goal
today
very
much
is
to
check
in
on
kind
of
the
current
state
of
our
code.
What
we
feel
is
working
well
some
best
practice
research
and
then
really
engage
you
in
some
discussion
around
specific
considerations
so
that
we
can
get
some
direction
before
we
start
Drafting
and
changing
things
to
bring
back
for
your
consideration
and.
D
So
just
have
been
an
overview
of
where
things
sit
today
we
do
have
graffiti
specifically
addressed.
Cleanup
is
very
much
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owner
and
penalties
are
based
on
the
value
of
the
Damage
Done
and
cleanup
costs.
D
Should
we
be
able
to
find
the
person
that
conducted
the
vandalism,
some
things
that
are
working
well
and,
as
you
probably
guessed
from
the
opening
slide,
there,
investment
in
public
art
as
a
deterrent
has
been
a
very
successful
strategy
and
is
very
popular
with
the
community.
So
we
see
that
as
being
kind
of
Upstream
as
a
good
practice
in
places
where
we
know
we're
seeing
issues
and,
finally,
something
that's
working.
Well,
there's
a
really
strong
collaboration
between
police,
Parks
facilities
and
arts
and
histories
team
on
maintaining
our
own
city-owned
property.
D
So
we
do
not
currently
have
like
a
graffiti
response
team
at
the
city,
but
there
are
many
departments.
The
Arts
team
takes
care
of
our
public
art
facilities.
Team
takes
care
of
our
facilities,
Parks
takes
care
of
parks,
and
so
we,
as
we
get
into
considerations,
we'd
like
to
talk
about
that
a
little
more
when
we
talked
about
what
wasn't
going
well
and
really
what
the
main
pain
point
is.
It
was
as
mayor
alluded
to.
D
We
really
lack
an
abatement
process
and
options
for
cleanup
if
that
graffiti
is
on
private
property
and
the
owner,
who
is
responsible
for
its
cleanup,
is
either
we're
having
trouble
getting
in
touch
with
them
or
they're.
Simply
unresponsive.
D
So
some
numbers
because
I
like
to
work
in
numbers.
What
do
Trends
look
like
these
were
pulled
by
the
police
department,
and
this
is
looking
at
trends
of
graffiti
reports
over
the
past
five
years.
You'll
see
that
we
are
somewhere
between
250
450
ish,
as
kind
of
a
five-year
Trend
and
so
far
in
calendar
year,
2023
we're
probably
on
Pace
to
match
what
we
saw
in
2021.
So
we're
guessing
we'll
be
around
that
400-ish
reported
mark
specific
areas
of
concern.
D
These
group
report
reports
of
graffiti
get
coded
in
a
couple
of
ways,
and
so,
when
we
looked
back
at
2022,
we
saw
that
about
a
third
of
the
reports
are
in
or
near
downtown
and
about
half
of
reports
across
the
city
are
coded
as
park,
playground,
highway,
road
or
alleys.
So
many
of
the
frequent
targets
and
things
that
get
reported
are
in
fact
on
public
property.
D
Only
a
very,
very
small
handful
were
actually
coded
as
being
like
on
a
residence
like
someone's
house
being
targeted,
so
just
kind
of
a
sense
of
numbers
overall
and
then,
where
we're
seeing
that
Madam.
F
Quick
question:
19
of
the
400-ish
are
coded
as
residential
or
home
50
or
park
playground
highway
road
alley.
Does
the
coding
break
down
what
percentages,
public
property
versus
private
property
because
I
think
that's
part
of
what
you're
going
to
get
into
later?
It.
D
F
Well,
that's
great
you're
leading
me
right
along
I
guess
the
question
is
as
if
we
think
about
what
we
need
to
do
with
respect
to
private
property
owners
who
aren't
cleaning
up
their
stuff.
It'd
be
nice
to
know
how
many
of
the
400
graffiti
incidents
actually
are
those
property
owners-
and
maybe
we
don't
know
that
yet,
but
that's
okay
and.
C
D
D
All
right,
so
we
staff
came
up
with
a
couple
of
goals.
We
said
hey.
If,
if
we
were
asked,
what
do
you
think
we
ought
to
do?
What
would
we
say,
and
there
really
are
kind
of
two
areas-
two
goals
that
we
looked
at,
one
of
the
best
practices
and
I
think
what
we're
hearing
from
the
community
related
to
this
concern
is
really
that
we're
getting
property
cleaned
up
as
quickly
as
possible
and
also
that
we're
getting
information
documented.
D
So
it
is
important
to
police
that
they're
able
to
go
out
and
capture
evidence
before
it's
just
immediately
painted
over
and
so
really
I
think
if
we
were
to
model
our
graffiti
a
potential
graffiti
abatement.
After
our
current
nuisance
abatement
model
staff
felt
that
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
go,
and
really
what
that
would
do
is
provide
a
mechanism
for
the
city
to
cite
and
conduct
the
cleanup.
D
We
would
propose
that
we
have
maybe
some
shorter
time
windows
on
that
than
we
currently
have
for
other
nuisance
abatement,
but
do
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
time
provided
to
follow
due
process
and
then
another
idea
that
had
come
out
of
some
best
practice.
Research
was
if
we
know
that
there
are
areas
that
are
they're
commonly
targeted,
whether
those
are
private
properties
or
maybe
other
public
Property
Owners.
D
It's
sometimes
helpful
just
to
have
an
agreement
in
place
that
says
hey.
We
know
that
this
is
a
problem
area
are,
are
you
okay?
Would
you
sign
this
access
agreement
essentially
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
come
onto
your
property
in
a
bit.
D
A
second
goal
that
we
identified
was
really
taking
shared
ownership
and
responsibility
with
the
community,
so
not
getting
ourselves
in
a
position
that
we
are
the
only
folks
that
are
abating
graffiti
in
the
community,
but
really
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
are
engaging
folks
and
we
thought
that
could
come
in
the
form
of
strengthening
both
proactive
and
reactive
communication
with
property
owners.
Some
folks
simply
may
not
know
like.
Is
this
my
problem
or
your
problem?
D
Are
you
cleaning
it
up,
am
I
responsible,
so
we
thought
about
some
opportunities
there
for
both
proactive
and
reactive.
D
D
As
always,
police
were
interested
in
rewards
for
information
leading
to
arrest
or
prosecution
and
then
really
continuing
to
identify,
as
we
saw
earlier,
those
beautiful
opportunities
if
we
know
that
there
are
areas
that
are
are
frequent
targets
and
we
could
do
a
public
art
installation
to
deter
that
that
that
would
be
an
opportunity,
and
so
we
have
for
you
three
different
kind
of
areas
of
consideration
and
places
where
staff
would
love
some
feedback
and
Direction
on
on
which
which
direction
we
might
take.
D
We
would
love
to
talk
about
abatement
process
timing,
so
is
there
kind
of
a
Target
timeline
that
you
would
have?
Is
it
you
know
hours
days
a
week
and
then
thoughts
on
how
much
process
you
would
like
to
see
in
terms
of
you
know,
citing
providing
an
opportunity
for
the
responsible
party
to
clean
it
up
before?
We
would
then
step
in
and
take
action.
So
that's
kind
of
one
area
is
that
abatement,
timing
and
process
second
area
are
resources.
D
We
had
talked
about
having
some
sort
of
mechanism
to
recover
costs.
So
again,
if,
if
we're
seeing
back
to
that
data,
we
we
talked
about
earlier.
You
know
if
we're
seeing
hey,
there's
a
a
place,
an
underpass
of
a
bridge
that
maybe
is
achd
or
ITV
property.
Is
that
an
opportunity
for
an
interagency
agreement
on
the
cleanup
and
some
cost
recovery,
and
or
do
we
want
to
say,
hey?
D
This
is
really
important
to
us
and
we
want
to
add
additional
Staffing
or
or
funding
for
outsourcing
cleanup
and
then
a
final
one
is
just
a
note
for
the
legal
team.
They
can
hear
me
say
it
out
loud.
We
are
also
keeping
an
eye
on
cases
where
graffiti
might
be
seen
as
a
First,
Amendment,
right
and
kind
of
making
sure
that
that
we're
working
within
boundaries
and
making
sure
that
we're
really
applying
equal
process
haste
and
process,
regardless
of
the
content
of
said
graffiti.
D
So
if
there
are
any
items
that
you
would
like
to
specifically
provide
feedback
on
or
general
direction,
I
would
I
would
love
to
grab
some
notes.
G
Madam
mayor,
thank
you,
Christine
I
I
just
want
to
say
this
part
out
loud
too.
Several
years
ago,
I
remember
in
the
North
End.
There
was
a
real
issue
with
graffiti
and
the
way
to
address
it
was
to
kind
of
use
best
practices
by
addressing
it
quickly,
covering
it
quickly
with
a
neutral
paint
and
covering
it
completely
in
like
a
square
type
shape
so
that
you
can't
see
any
of
the
graffiti
and
it
was
really
effective
in
making
sure
that
there
wasn't
more
graffiti
and
more
graffiti
and
more
graffiti.
So
I'm
I.
G
So
that's
really
all
my
feedback
and
I
think
that
we're
covering
costs
from
other
public
agencies
is
likely
a
good
idea,
but
we
might
look
at
maybe
not
recovering
costs
from
private
property
owners.
If
that's
possible.
F
I'll
just
second
that
last
comment,
because
it
was
going
to
be
mine,
I
guess
but
I,
maybe
I'm
wrong.
I
I,
don't
know
a
lot
about
graffiti,
but
I
perceived
the
private
property
owner
whose
property
is
vandalized
to
be
the
victim
of
a
crime
and
not
the
perpetrator
of
a
crime,
because
they
either
can't
afford
to
remove
it
or
aren't
attentive
to
it
or
whatever.
So
the
person
whose
property
has
been
vandalized
in
my
mind
as
an
uneducated
graffiti
person
does
not
seem
like
the
person
to
be
seeking
to
recoup
costs
from.
D
Madame
mayor
council,
member
of
agent,
that
was
staff's
concern
as
well.
This
feels
very
different
than
a
weed
abatement
right
where
an
owner
has
property
that
they
haven't
been
caring
for.
It's
like
well
yeah.
You
need
to
to
cover
the
cost
of
that,
because
that's
part
of
our
code
versus
you
were
the
victim
of
a
crime
so
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
Madam
mayor
council,
member
Haney
Keith,
when
we
looked
it,
it
seemed
that
there
were
kind
of
three
areas.
D
One
of
them
really
best
practiced
was,
as
council
president
alluded
to
like
get
it
covered
up
as
quickly
as
possible.
So
it
seemed
like
haste
in
process
and
kind
of
laid
out
agreements,
things
that
we
could
do
to
kind
of
prepare
the
path
for
that
that
that
was
one
of
the
main
ones.
D
Definitely
those
access
agreements
seem
to
be
kind
of
a
community
oriented
way
to
approach
it
so
that
it
wasn't
simply
like
an
enforcement,
but
there
was
participation
in
community
commitment
to
like
yeah
we're
all
in
this
together
and
we
have
a
vested
interest
and
a
quick
path
forward
and
then
I'm
trying
to
think
there
are
all
sorts
of
different
models.
D
When
we
looked
at
kind
of
our
our
neighboring
communities
here
in
the
Treasure
Valley,
there
were
very
much
the
cite:
the
property
owner
and
recover
the
cost
from
the
property
owner
at
one
extreme,
which
I
think
staff.
Every
mostly
were
like.
Oh,
that
just
we're
not
really
comfortable
with
that
all
the
way
over
to
other
communities
where
this
has
become
like
a
leadership
initiative
and
they're
investing.
You
know
a
very
large
city
on
the
west
coast.
D
You
know
up
to
like
a
million
dollars
in
graffiti
abatement
and
there
were
all
sorts
of
different
things
from
Staffing
and
contracts
to
like
providing
graffiti
clean
up
kits
to
community
members.
So
it
it
really
kind
of
spanned
but
I.
Think
truly,
the
the
best
practice
appeared
to
be
find
as
quick
a
route
as
you
can
to
getting
it
cleaned
up
and
abated,
and
then
from
there
it's
is
it
more
of
a
community
engagement
approach,
more
of
an
enforcement
approach.
All
of
those
models
are
out
there.
E
Ben
Mayer
I
guess
the
only
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
that
I
I
do
think
going
as
fast
as
possible
and
cleaning
up
as
fast
as
possible
is
really
important
and
doing
it
I
think
you
worded
it
abatement
with
equal
haste
and
process
regardless
of
content.
I
think
is
a
great
way
to
do
it
as
well
and
to
the
extent
possible,
with
staff
and
what's
realistic,
I
guess
I
would
certainly
encourage
us
to
move
to
that
sort
of
speed.
E
I
think
my
hope
would
be
is
that
if
we
do
that,
we
actually
start
getting
less
graffiti
over
time,
because
people
know
that
it's
just
not
going
to
be
up,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
as
effective
and
so
it'd
be
really
interesting
to
know.
You
know
after
these
processes
go
in
place.
You
know
a
year
from
now.
If
that's
really
been
working
and
kind
of
getting
an
eye
on,
you
know
has
this
reduced.