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E
Madam
mayor,
yes,
we
caught
a
little
error
in
the
minutes
approved
on
march
15th
and
I'd
like
to
move
to
amend
the
vote
result
for
resolution
172
22
to
reflect
that
council
member
hallie
burton
voted.
Yes
for
the
resolution
and
council
member
bajan
voted
no
and
then
to
subsequently
amend
the
march
15
2022
council
meeting
minutes
to
reflect
that
the
result.
D
A
G
Madame
mayor,
I
move
approval
of
the
council
minutes
from
april
5th,
both
the
regular
meeting
work
session
and
regular
evening
meeting.
D
A
G
Madam
mayor
happy
to
make
this
nomination
I've
known
rob
for
a
long
time,
and
I
know
his
knowledge
of
the
issues
that
ccdc
handles
will
be
great
with
that.
I
ask
unanimous
consent
to
appoint
rob
perez
to
the
ccdc
board
for
a
five-year
term
ending
april
2027.
A
A
Well,
I
julian,
I
too
appreciate
her
willingness
to
be
reappointed
for
a
second
term,
or
I
guess
it's
a
partial
term,
and
so
without
objection.
H
Good
afternoon,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
we
have
10
interim
budget
changes
before
you
this
afternoon,
all
of
which
are
revenue
neutral
in
fiscal
year
2022..
H
H
H
The
funding
source
for
this
particular
project
would
be
from
the
portfolio
fund,
the
project
portfolio
fund
that
was
established
and
approved
by
the
city
council
as
part
of
the
fiscal
year.
2022
adopted
budget
I'll
note
that
on
this
particular
project
there
is
approximately
93
000
in
ongoing
costs,
which
would
be
built
into
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
23
proposed
budget.
H
H
This
tool
would
allow
for
the
implementation
of
a
new
industry,
standard
project
and
portfolio
management
software
be
used
across
the
entire
city.
This
particular
project
also
would
have
an
ongoing
impact
of
one
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
would
be
built
into
the
fiscal
year
23
proposed
budget.
H
The
next
item
is
allocation
of
funding
made
of
that
has
been
made
available
to
the
city
through
home,
arp
or
american
rescue
plan
funding.
This
this
funding
source
would
be
used
for
the
production
and
preservation
of
affordable
housing
and
for
supportive
services
for
households
experiencing
homelessness.
H
H
The
last
item
is
actually
a
reduction
in
a
closeout
of
a
project.
That's
for
the
active
directory
file
scanner
project
that
project
was
completed,
came
in
ten
thousand
dollars
under
budget
which
would
be
restored
to
the
capital
fund
fund
balance.
With
that
I'd
be
happy
to
to
take
any
questions
the
council
might
have.
G
Made
amir
eric
just
real
quickly
as
we
build
this
next
year's
budget,
we're
entering
a
time
where
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
ongoing
costs,
for
especially
cyber
security
and
other
software
maintenance
needs.
I
think,
for
transparency
purposes.
G
G
H
A
D
A
You
next
up,
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion
will
be
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
council,
member
or
citizen
so
requests,
in
which
case
the
item
will
be
removed
from
the
general
order
of
business
and
considered
in
its
normal
sequence.
E
A
D
Ord-18-22
and
ordnance
car21
for
property
located
at
2801,
west
palouse
street
emitting
zoning
classifications
of
the
city
of
boise
city
to
change
the
classification
of
real
property,
particularly
described
in
section
1
of
this
ordinance
and
adjacent
rights,
adjacent
rights
of
way
from
r-1c,
single-family,
residential
to
r-2-d,
d-a,
medium
density,
residential
with
design
review,
with
the
development
agreement.
Setting
forth
a
reason,
statement
in
support
of
such
zone
change
and
providing
an
effective
date.
A
We
have
sabrina
mortensen
from
the
city
presenting
and
then
the
applicant
to
engineers,
alec
agarola,
oh
great
thanks
for
being
here
with
us
this
evening,
and
then
we
don't
expect
the
neighborhood
association
of
record
pierce
park
to
be
with
us,
but
please
anyone
here
in
the
room
for
that
all
right.
If
let
us
know
if
you're
here
online
and
otherwise
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started,
welcome,
sabrina.
I
Thank
you
good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
council.
The
item
before
you
was
a
request
to
vacate
a
platinum
and
public
utilities,
easement
for
lots.
Seven
and
eight
of
the
chanel
place
subdivision
on
0.32
acres
located
at
4811
north
pierce
park
lane
in
an
r2
zone
chanel
place
subdivision
recorded
in
1994,
includes
a
platinum
which
designates
lot
8
as
a
common
lot
for
emergency
vehicle
access,
which
is
to
be
owned
and
maintained
by
the
chanel
place.
I
I
A
All
right:
well,
we've
got
no
questions
on
this,
for
our
staff.
Alec
you're
welcome
to
join
us,
and
if
you
have
anything
yet
more
to
add
you
let
us
know
otherwise,
it
looks
as
though
you're
all
right
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
All
right.
The
record
will
reflect
that
I'll
see.
If
anyone
has
is
anybody
online
for
this.
G
Mayor
I
move
approval
of
sos
22-4
4
48-11
north
pierce
park,
lane
vacation
of
platinum
and
public
utilities,
easement.
G
Madam
mayor,
I
just
note
that
this
is
a
great
location
for
some
additional
housing.
It's
very
near
the
state
street
corridor,
which
has
good
public
transit
and
also
very
near
some
schools,
so
really
excited
to
see
this.
D
A
And
next
up
we'll
move
into
the
public
hearing
for
tonight.
The
boise
district
in
commission
ordinance,
hannah
brass
greer
is
here
to
present
I'm
just
as
she's
getting
set
up.
I
want
to
thank
council
member
council
president
pro
tem
hollywoodings
for
your
leadership
on
on
this
and
your
interest
in
ensuring
that
we've
got
a
commission
process
and
a
process
for
the
public
to
engage
on
the
drawing
of
our
districts,
and
we
really
wanted
to
do
this
last
time
around,
but
because
the
legislation
came
so
late.
A
J
J
J
J
J
The
commission
would
be
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
council,
as
we
do
for
other
boards
and
commissions
in
the
city.
The
commissioners
can't
have
run
for
boise
city
council
for
the
past
five
years
prior
to
service
on
the
commission
or
run
five
years
after
their
service.
Just
to
ensure
independence
of
the
commission
and
the
commissioners,
there
would
be
five
total
coming
one
from
each
of
the
combined
areas
in
this
comprehensive
plan.
This
map
comes
from
blueprint
boise.
J
J
This
is
also
similar
to
the
process
that
meridian
and
nampa
are
putting
into
place
by
giving
some
geographic
guidelines
to
how
we
appoint
commissioners-
and
I
just
want
to
clarify-
I
know-
there's
been
some
confusion.
This
map
is
not
the
district
map
that
will
be
drawn
by
the
commission
itself.
This
is
simply
to
ensure
geographic
diversity
on
the
commission.
A
And
hannah
I've
got
a
question.
You
probably
went
through
this
when
we
talked
about
this
in
work
session,
but
so
other
commissions
that
we
have
we
appoint
them,
and
then
they
have
terms
for
five
years.
This
commission
has
one
job
to
do
right.
I
mean
they're,
not
a
standing
committee
for
10
years.
Are
they,
but
they
are
here
to
draw
the
maps
with
this
data
and
then
10
years
from
now,
a
new
council
and
mayor
will
use
this
ordinance
to
appoint
a
commission
after
that
census
correct.
Madam.
J
J
And
so
the
basic
framework
for
duties
and
process
are
also
set
out
in
the
ordinance
as
we
just
as
we
just
discussed
every
10
years
with
new
census
federal
census
data.
The
commission
would
be
appointed
to
develop
a
new
districting
plan
or
update
the
plan.
They
would
assign
council
districts
and
numbers
one
through
six
and
again
act
independently
of
anyone
who's
currently
serving
on
council
or
as
candidate
for
council.
J
The
ordinance
requires
at
least
one
public
hearing
of
the
commission
itself
during
the
process,
while
they're
developing
maps
and
then
once
three
commissioners
have
approved
a
final
plan.
That
plan
would
come
in
front
of
city
council
for
consideration,
another
public
hearing
public
input
and
then
once
that
is
approved,
it
would
be
adopted
by
ordinance.
E
The
commission
also
updates
the
districts
based
on
changes
in
the
city,
boundaries
or
annexations,
but
I
understood
from
the
ordinance
that
they
also
kind
of
automatically
dissolve
upon
you
know
return
of
their
commission
report.
So
how
does
that?
Is
it
something
we
need
to
fix
like?
How
does
the
dissolved
committee
then
engage
in
the
updates
over
that
10-year
interim
period?
Thank.
J
J
Okay,
okay,
so
once
as
I
said
once
that
plan
comes
to
council,
council
adopts
it
through
ordinance
and
then,
in
addition
to
the
draft
that
you
have
before
you
tonight
in
the
coming
weeks,
we
we
will
develop
the
boise
district
and
commission
policy
that
will
accompany
this
ordinance
and
that
really
is
to
give
more
detailed
guidance
both
to
the
commission
and
to
the
public
on
how
how
we'll
manage
through
this
process.
So
we'll
have
additional
details
about
staff
and
commission
support.
J
So
the
minimum
requirements
of
substantially
equal
population
and
then
keeping
together
neighborhood
associations,
communities
of
interest
and
election
precincts
as
much
as
possible
and
if
they
can't
for
some
reason
those
would
be
flagged
in
any
proposal,
and
those
would
be
both
for
proposals
that
the
commission
develops
itself
as
well.
As
those
proposals
that
come
from
the
community.
J
And
then
just
next
steps
and
timeline,
obviously
we're
here
before
you
today
with
the
draft
ordinance
going
through
that
over
the
next
few
weeks,
assuming
approval
through
may
and
june,
we
would
work
on
appointments
and
approvals
of
those
commissioners
so
that
they
could
begin
their
work
and
really
work
through
the
summer
and
fall
to
gather
information.
Work
with
staff
and
consultants
take
public
input
and
and
public
map
proposals
to
then
by
october
november,
come
up
with
their
final
plan.
J
That
would
then
go
to
council
and
hopefully
be
approved
by
the
very
end
of
the
year
at
the
latest.
Certainly
it
could
be
a
shorter
process,
but
this
is
how
we've
had
it
laid
out
so
that
we're
done
by
the
end
of
the
year,
and
so
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Take
any
feedback
you've
got.
J
K
Mayor,
yes,
anna
thanks
for
your
work
on
this.
This
is,
you
know,
hard
hard
things
to
do
and
we're
trying
to
find
you
know
public
balance
and
to
make
sure
that
there's
lots
of
input
on
this.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
I'll
just
start
with
one.
I
understand
the
logic
and
not
allowing
anyone
who's
on
the
commission
to
then
run
for
a
seat
within
these
districts.
K
J
That
sure,
madam
mayor
and
council
member,
the
idea
behind
this
again
is
just
to
maintain
an
independent
citizen,
commission
and
so
for
those
who
who
have
run
in
the
past
five
years
may
have
a
stake
depending
on
the
outcome
of
of
the
districting,
and
so
the
guidance
was
to
both
sort
of
do
the
back
five
years.
But
not
you
know
we're
we're
only
talking
five
years,
not
this,
and
this
generally
will
happen
on
a
10-year
basis,
except
for
you
know,
possible
changes
in
boundary.
J
K
J
G
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
so
a
couple
of
questions.
The
state
does
this
by
commission,
but
I
understand
that
they
don't
have
any
geographic
requirements
for
their
commissioners.
Is
that
correct.
J
Madam
marian
council
president,
that's
correct,
they're,
partisan,
it's
a
partisan
process,
so
their
requirements
are
three
from
the
minority
party
and
three
from
the
majority
party
and
that's
how
they
manage
it.
They
don't
have
geographic
requirements,
though
meridian
and
nampa
are
planning
to
do
so
and
since.
G
J
G
K
All
right,
I
haven't,
I
have
another
question,
madam
mayor
george,
a
second:
were
you?
No,
I'm
just
gonna
close
it
up,
so
I
know
that
you've
done.
Madam
mayor.
I
know
that
you've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
this
and
taking
best
practices
from
other
folks
and
also
you
know.
Other
cities
are
grappling
with
this
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
and
elaine
council
member
clay
touched
on
this
in
the
state
process.
K
K
Can
you
give
me
a
little
background
on
your
thoughts
about
why
we
didn't
do
six
so
that
you
made
sure
that
you
had
that
extra
like
that
you
had
at
least
have
a
majority
and
or
why
we
didn't
do
a
chair.
That
was
non-voting.
J
Madam
mayor
and
council
member,
we
landed
on
five
one
because
you
would
have
to
have
a
majority.
You'd
have
to
have
three
of
the
five
and
we
didn't
want
to
have
a
huge
commission.
We
didn't,
we
didn't
want
to
have
to
have
too
many
people.
We
know
from
the
state
experience
that
at
times
it's
actually
difficult
to
appoint
commissioners,
and
so
we
didn't
want
to
have
it
too
big
and
in
order
to
have
a
vote,
an
actual
outcome
and
not
a
tie.
J
K
And
one
more,
when
you
were
looking
at
the
geographic
diversity,
did
you
take
into
account
the
population
of
each
of
those
swash?
You
know
swaps
of
land.
If
you
will
those
districts
or
commission
districts,
men.
J
Of
mayor
and
council
member
willets,
we
looked
at
that,
though,
that
they
are
not
even
admittedly,
so
they
are
not
the
council
districts.
Obviously,
that's
where
we
that's,
where
we're
required
to
and
want
to
have
as
equal
as
possible
districts
here,
we
simply
wanted
a
way
to
look
at
the
city.
The
blueprint
boise
map
already
exists
to
be
able
to
say.
Okay,
we
want
to.
J
We
want
these
five
people
to
come
from
diverse
parts
of
the
city,
and
that
was
a
way
that
was
already
established
and
that
our
staff
and
our
gis
staff
knew
how
to
do
so.
That
we
could
say
to
the
mayor
here.
You
know
here
are
the
general
guidelines.
We
want
a
geographically
diverse
commission,
and
this
is
how
we
can
how
we
can
get
there.
G
G
Notion,
especially
if
they're
geographically
diverse
and
from
equally
populated
geographic
areas
that
they'd
be
protecting
the
area
that
they
came
from,
and
it
seems
to
me
much
better
to
have
a
different
number
than
the
number
of
districts
you
have
and
to
frankly
ensure
that,
while
they're
geographically
diverse
that
that
it's
not
likely
they'd
line
up
with
district
areas,
because
we
don't
want
them
to
have
a
bias
about
where
the
district
should
be
am.
I
am
I
thinking
correctly
about
that.
J
President,
yes,
in
order
to
both
to
for
the
five
year,
looking
back
and
forward,
and
also
for
the
geographic
diversity
that
is
not
attached
to
the
districts
itself,
it
just
adds
to
the
independence
of
the
commission.
Thank
you.
B
Well,
madame
mayor
before
we
move
into
public
hearing
on
this,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
comments.
I
want
to
thank
hannah
and
amanda
and
our
legal
staff
for
working
through
this
ordinance
process.
It
was
really
important
to
me
that
we
create
a
districting
commission
that
is
independent,
that
is
geographically
diverse,
that
represents
our
whole
city
and
that
we
establish
a
process,
unlike
other
jurisdictions,
that
really
creates
that
trust
and
that
opportunity
for
public
process
in
creating
our
districts.
B
So
I
think
that
we,
we
have
a
good
start
as
council
member
willits
pointed
out,
and
several
several
folks
from
the
community
reached
out
as
well
those
those
geographic
areas
that
we're
seeking
our
commissioners
from
are
not
as
published
or
not
equal.
So
I
do
have
a
kind
of
proposed
change
to
that
that
will
kind
of
equalize
those
those
areas
a
little
bit
consolidate
some
and
then
give
give
a
little
bit
of
allowance
for
some
larger,
larger
population
planning
areas
to
have
their
own
space.
B
So
we'll
be
talking
about
that
a
little
bit
later,
but
before
I
propose
anything,
I
want
to
hear
from
the
public
and
see
what
folks
have
to
say
and
then
we
can
have
further
conversations.
So
I
appreciate
everyone
reaching
out
being
involved
and,
if
you're
interested
in
serving
on
this
commission,
I
encourage
you
to
apply
to
do
so.
L
Right
here,
yep
welcome
yeah
mayor
mclean
city
council
how's,
everybody
been
I'll,
try
not
to
screw
it
up
too
bad.
L
L
L
L
Meanwhile,
people
that
live
on
horseshoe
bend,
road
and
table
rock
they're,
all
one
district.
L
Okay,
that's
I
think
everyone's
biggest
concern
is
that
might
happen
again,
I'm
sure
all
five
of
you
would
like
to
be
on
the
ballot
next
year
of
city
councilman,
but
and
that's
why
I
think
half
the
people
are
here
tonight
and
I
I
realized
that
last
year
you
were
in
a
rush,
but
nobody
that
would
draw
a
map
would
split
your
districts
in
half
in
the
north
end
and
I
think
it
really
gives
a
really
bad
taste
in
everybody's
mouth
everybody's.
L
F
Yeah
no
question
apology.
I
laughed
when
you
said
the
gerrymandering
thing
at
the
very
beginning,
and
that
was
that
was
not
appropriate
for
me
to
do
so.
I
don't
see
things
the
same
way
because
we
do
have
four
city
council
members
who
are
in
the
same
district,
and
so
if
it
was
truly
gerrymandered,
what
you
would
have
seen
is
people
not
in
the
same
district,
and
so
really
there
were
four
that
could
have
been
split
up
and
every
single
thing
was,
in
my
opinion,
done
geographically
anyway.
F
L
M
However,
I
do
have
serious
concerns
about
the
legality
and
fairness
of
this
districting
ordinance
number
one:
the
lack
of
fair
and
equal
representation,
the
district
committees,
just
the
districting
committee's
districts,
vary
from
29
000
citizens
to
120
000
citizens.
This
clearly
does
not
represent
fair
and
equal
representation.
M
M
M
You
are
applying
a
retroactive
requirement
to
politically
active
people
who
acted
in
good
faith
to
serve
their
community
without
any
knowledge
that
this
would
be
a
consequence
in
the
united
states
constitution,
article
one,
it
explicitly
forbids
ex
post
facto
laws
or
consequences
for
actions
that
were
not
a
penalty
at
a
time
at
the
time
that
you
cannot
be
held
responsible
for
them.
For
example,
if
someone
pulls
a
dandelion
weed
and
later
is
considered
a
protective
plant
protected
by
the
law,
you
cannot
be
arrested
retroactively.
M
For
example,
the
article
specifically
speaks
to
crime.
However,
the
principle
applies.
The
principle
behind
the
prohibition
of
ex-post-facto
laws
is
firmly
enshrined
in
american
law
and
practice.
I've
studied
municipal
and
legislative
districting
committees.
I've
consistently
seen
the
prohibition
of
future
committee
members
running
for
opportunities
in
the
future,
but
never
seen
this
retrospective
law.
M
M
Any
city,
elected
official,
with
any
role
in
the
appointment
of
commissioners
or
of
the
approval
maps,
should
be
prohibited
from
running
for
office
for
the
next
five
years
and
hold
themselves
responsible,
as
the
committee
members
in
conclusion,
throw
away
the
map
and
neighborhood
association
and
allow
the
neighborhood
associations
to
presidents
to
elect
the
commission.
This
will
represent
citizens
throughout
the
entire
city.
M
It
also
keeps
it
out
of
the
hands
of
those
who
are
affected
by
the
districts
is
simply
not
good
cover
government
of
putting
by
putting
people
in
positions
of
authority
that
affect
their
own
districts.
The
practice
of
putting
elected
officials
over
the
appointed
restricting
committee
invites
distrust,
encourages
and
questions
motives.
M
M
N
Okay,
perfect:
I
share
many
of
the
same
concerns
that
everyone
else,
I'm
sure
will
will
bring
up.
I
appreciate
hearing
some
of
the
back
and
forth
that
you
guys
have
had
on
this.
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
first
start.
N
Geographical
representation
is
a
good
idea
for
sure,
but
I
think
that
that
kind
of
limits
the
the
talent
pool
a
little
bit,
so
we
should
kind
of
be
looking
for
expertise
rather
than
potentially
locational
interests,
but
if
we're
moving
forward
with
this
process,
as
has
been
noted,
there's
120
000
people,
one
bit
district,
25,
000
and
another
one.
So,
given
that
we
need
only
a
simple
majority
of
three
out
of
the
five
commissioners,
a
worst-case
scenario
that
simple
majority
could
disregard.
N
Now.
Moving
forward
with
potential
solutions,
maybe
are,
is
there
any
reason
that
it
has
to
stay
at
five
other
than
council?
President
clegg
has
mentioned
it
seems
like
we
could
have
as
many
commissioners
as
we
want,
or
as
we
need
given
the
current
population
or
anything
else.
N
Another
suggestion
would
be
to
merge
some
of
the
smaller
population
districts,
namely
the
northwest,
boise
foothills,
as
well
as
the
north
and
east
ends.
That
would
make
it
the
biggest
district.
However,
that
would
free
up
one
of
the
other
commissioners.
In
order
to
break
up
the
bench
we
get
the
west
bench
and
the
central
bench.
A
D
F
Go
ahead,
maybe
it's
the
same
question.
So
my
question
is:
if
we,
if
we
combine
some
of
the
districts,
like
you
said,
or
if
we
evened
up
the
population,
I'm.
F
Very
good
point,
thank
you.
If
it
was,
if
we
combine
the
populations
and
then
there
wasn't
geographical
representation,
would
you
find
that
problematic
as
well.
F
So
if
you
combine
that
area,
you
might
have
a
really
really
large
planning
area
where
one
person
might
be
on
the
very
far
east
end
and
then
you've
got
a
whole
another
side.
You
know
maybe
a
west
side
that
doesn't
feel
like
they
have
representation,
because
that
district
was
combined
or
because
that
planning
area
was
combined.
I'm
going
to
get
that
right
by
the
end
of
the
night.
N
N
E
Madame
mr
abra,
you
brought
up
something
that
I've
been
thinking
about.
A
lot
like
I
happen
to
believe
that,
where
a
person
lives
just
is
not
relevant
to
what
they
have
to
offer
period-
and
I
know
there
are
different
points
of
view
on
that
and
and
that's
fair,
but
you
know
you'd
mentioned
a
comment.
E
Part
of
your
comments
included
reference
to
looking
to
the
qualifications
or
looking
to,
and
this
is
what
I'm
thinking
about
we're
talking
so
much
about
geographic
representation,
population
representation.
But
what
like?
What
are
the
actual
qualifications
that
you'd
like
to
see,
because
without
something
along
those
lines,
we're
just
kind
of
stuck
with
raw
numbers
of
people
and
where
they
live?.
N
A
O
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
members
of
the
council.
I
submitted
some
written
testimony
to
you
so
I'd
appreciate.
If
you
have
the
opportunity
to
review
that,
I
won't
go
into
every
detail
of
that
tonight.
I
do
first
just
want
to
offer
a
little
bit
of
defense
for
the
retro
act
and
on
running
for
city
council.
O
I
think
if
city
council
members
are
excluding
themselves
from
the
process
that
it's
appropriate,
that
their
political
opponents
also
be
excluded
from
that
process,
and
I
think,
if
you
have
an
opportunity
to
review
that
with
your
attorney,
your
attorney
will
probably
tell
you
that
there's
no
due
process
interest
in
a
public
office
either
serving
on
the
commission
or
the
city
council.
So
I
think
the
legal
review
that
will
find
that
it's
in
good
order
regarding
the
written
testimony
that
I
submitted.
I
do
want
to
I'm.
O
You
don't
have
to
look
very
far
in
idaho
to
see
how
municipal
redistricting
is
used
to
protect
incumbency
or
partisan
interests,
and
I'm
hopeful
that
this
process
would
root
that
out.
I
do
have
some
technical
suggestions
for
the
ordinance
that
you'll
see
in
my
written
testimony.
The
first
is
under
the
existing
under
the
draft
ordinance.
The
city
council
only
has
the
right
to
remand
the
plan
to
the
back
to
the
redistricting
committee
mission.
If
it
violates
state
law,
I
think
that
should
also
include
a
violation
of
the
ordinance.
O
So
if
there's
some
process
issue
that
there's
some
recourse
that
city
council
has
additionally,
I
think
in
no
uncertain
terms,
it
should
state
that
you
have
to
rely
exclusively
on
the
census
data.
What
we
saw
at
the
state
level
is
that
a
lot
of
people
were
lobbying
for
to
to
consider
under
accounts
or
over
counts
in
specific
areas.
That's
inappropriate!
You
don't
want
the
commission
going
down
those
rabbit
holes,
so
I
would.
O
I
would
encourage
you
to
include
that,
and
finally,
I
just
want
to
hit
on
a
few
things
that
I
think
will
probably
be
taken
up
in
policy,
but
I
think
are
meaningful
enough
that
they
should
be
considered
in
the
ordinance,
and
that
is
the
inclusion
of
criteria
for
preserving
local
communities
of
interest
in
traditional
neighborhoods.
O
O
I
think
the
other
one's
escaping
me
right
now,
but
I
think
adding
one
would
be
appropriate
to
encourage
the
commission
to
to
preserve
local
communities
of
interest
which
can
be
just
about
anything,
and
I
offer
a
much
longer
defense
of
that
in
my
written
testimony.
O
And
finally
I
I
know
this
is
another
one,
that's
included
in
policy
proposal,
but
there
should
be
language,
the
ordinance
that
says
that
the
commission
can
accept
and
consider
publicly
submitted
maps
to
encourage
public
input
in
that
process.
So
that
concludes
my
testimony
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that's
gone
into
this
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
step
forward
for
the
city.
A
I've
just
got
a
clarifying
question.
You
mentioned
the
statute
having
two
requirements:
one
was
population,
the
other
you
couldn't
remember,
but.
A
O
O
O
E
A
A
G
O
Thank
you,
councilwoman
clay,
so
I
would
look
to
the
idaho
code.
72
15062,
which
talks
about
the
preservation
of
communities
of
interest.
Community
interest
is
a
very
vague
term.
It's
intentionally
vague
because
it
can
mean
just
about
whatever
you
want
it
to
mean.
O
So
I
don't
think
it
would
be
on
staff
or
councils
to
to
identify
communities
of
interest.
That's
for
the
public
to
come
forth
and
say:
hey,
there's
this
geographic
area
that
has
some
shared
common
interest.
That's
significant
enough
that
we
want
a
stake
in
the
political
process
that
decides
our
new
council
member.
O
So
that
can
mean
just
about
anything,
but
I
think
it's
up
to
the
public
to
be
able
to
identify
shared
communities
of
interest
and
then
advocate
for
those
interests
in
a
redistricting
process.
G
Follow
up
if
I
could
so
you've
noted
that
the
state
statute
requires
us
to
have
equal
population
between
the
districts
or
at
least
as
as
much
as
we
can
within
five
percent,
and,
as
I
understand
communities
of
interest
and
the
rulings
on
it
over
the
years
in
the
various
courts,
you
still
can't
overlook
the
requirement
of
the
equal
population,
as
you
look
to
create
districts
is
that
is
that
also
true
in
your
understanding.
O
Madam
mayor
and
councilwoman
clegg,
I
think
we
might
be
conflating
two
issues
here.
One
is
the
creation
of
majority
minority
districts
which
there's
a
lot
of
case
law
on
and
then
the
concept
of
communities
of
interest
population
requirements
would
always
trump
communities
of
interest,
because
there's
a
constitutional
argument
there
I'll
also
point
out
that
a
communities
of
interest
preservation
argument
is
a
very
weak
legal
argument
to
challenge
either
a
state
or
municipal
redistricting
plan.
O
The
reason
for
its
inclusion,
I
would
say,
is
more:
it
gives
a
like
a
hook
for
communities
of
interest
to
organize
themselves
and
advocate
on
their
behalf
and
for
the
redistributing
commission
to
consider
their
interest
in
their
process,
but
it's
a
very
weak
legal
case
to
be
made
that
a
plan
could
be
thrown
out
for
a
violation
of
a
community
of
interests.
Thank.
B
A
mayor,
yes,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
down.
Representative
nash,
my
question
is:
if
we,
so,
we
were
planning
on
putting
language
about
communities
of
interest
in
policy
which
is
forthcoming.
What
is
the
benefit
of
putting
it
in
ordinance
rather
than
policy.
O
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
councilwoman
woodings.
If
you
just
do
decide
to
take
my
advice
and
with
that
inclusion
of
allowing
for
remand
for
a
violation
of
the
ordinance,
then
that
would
if
let's
say
the
commission
proposes
some
map
and
it
really
carves
up
some
obvious
community
of
interest
in
the
city.
Let's
say
the
the
central
bench
is
just
cut
six
ways
and
it
looks
weird
people
don't
like
it.
They're
distrustful
of
it.
O
E
E
Just
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
though,
the
downside
of
that
would
be
that
this
independent
commission
could
be
subject
to
remand
from
the
city
council
under
the
standard
that,
I
think
you
said,
was
vague.
If
the
council
disagrees
with
the
map,
so
you
could
have
an
independent
commission
that
created
districts
based
on
the
criteria
and
the
law
and
feels
their
right,
and
then
the
council,
maybe
a
bunch
of
uppity
self-centered
north
end.
E
O
Mayor
maclean
and
councilmember
beijing,
I
think,
there's
a
balancing
act
here
between
preserving
the
independence
of
the
commission
and
getting
maps
that
are
generally
publicly
favorable,
and
I
think
the
city
council
can
do
that.
I'd
trust
you
all
not
to
set
up
an
indica
commission
only
to
swat
down
everything
it
does.
O
At
the
same
time,
I
think
you
can
put
heightened
standards
in
there
that
I
don't
know
you
could
say
by
a
unanimous
consent
or
five
out
of
six
of
the
city
council
has
to
has
to
agree
that
there's
such
an
egregious
violation
of
the
community
as
of
interest
standard
that
it
should
be
remanded.
E
Q
Mayor
and
council-
I'm
dave
kangas
well
today,
after
two
years
and
with
only
five
days
notice.
We're
finally
here
to
be
able
to
have
the
public
in
front
of
you
to
talk
about
redistricting.
Q
Q
Creating
the
commission
creating
commission
districts,
that's
the
first
step,
and
I
am
not
excited
or
pleased
at
all
with
the
district
map
for
the
commissioners
when
you
have
west
boise
and
central
bench,
combined
at
99
to
100
000
people
and
northwest
at
23
000
people,
that's
just
absurd
differences.
It's
not
even
close
to
being
equitable.
Q
In
my
communication
with
holly,
I
had
mentioned
that
trying
to
use
the
neighborhood
planning
areas
and
divide
it
into
five
areas
would
be
problematic
and
it
obviously
is
dividing
it
into
six
makes
it
a
lot
more
equitable.
You
can
split
west,
boise
and
central
bench
and
become
a
lot
closer.
You
can
even
probably
work
with
the
north
end.
If,
if
you're
going
to
stick
with
five
well,
you
should
just
combine
everything.
Q
Q
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
probably
be
some
of
that,
no
matter
what
you
do,
even
if
you
assign
use
the
current
districts
but
creating
five
districts
with
this
kind
of
prof
population
differential,
does
not
start
this
process
right
or
correct
in
any
equitable
way.
It's
it's
infuriating!
Q
I
was
angry
when
I
saw
that
I
couldn't
believe
that
he
actually
published
it
and
want
us
to
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
fair
and
equitable
process.
Moving
forward
with
that,
creating
the
commissions
or
appointing
the
commissioners
get
considering
that
neighborhood
associations
are
such
an
integral
part
of
this
city
and
our
governance.
It
would
be
nice
to
see
that
there
was
a
certain
number
of
commission
commissioners
appointed
by
neighborhood
associations
or
names
nominated
by
them.
Three
and
three.
Q
I
did
just
realize
that
the
ordinance
itself
does
not
have
a
population
variable
when
it
creates
the
election.
Actual
election
districts-
and
there
really
should
be
some
kind
of
pop-
you
know
percentage
eight
to
ten
percent.
You
know
from
low
to
high
I'm
not
sure
I
just
don't
remember
seeing
that
in
there
when
the
final
districts
come
out,
but
there
should
be
something
in
there
that
equalizes
the
populations.
Q
Q
A
F
You
thank
you,
madam
here
yeah
question
dave
thanks
for
coming
good
to
see
you
is
there
an
existing
map
that
the
city
has
that
you
would
have
preferred
for
us
to
use
as
far
as
establishing
where
these
commissioners
would
be
from
so
and
and
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
you
this.
F
Is
that
there's
the
idea
of
creating
a
map
to
create
another
map,
and
then
there's
got
to
be
a
process
to
create
that
map
and
to
be
done
in
an
equitable
or
equal
way,
depending
on
how
you
want
to
word
it
is
there
an
existing
map
that
we
use,
that
you
would
have
that.
You
would
have
preferred
us
to
take
a
look
at
as
far
as
different
types
of
areas
around
town.
Q
No,
as
I
mentioned
with
hollya's
neighborhood
planning
areas
are
really
laid
out
along
a
lot
of
the
how
we're
geographically
set
up.
So
that
is
a
good
map,
but
dividing
it
five
ways.
The
only
way
you
can
get
to
equitable
populations
is
to
start
shredding
the
different
planning
areas.
You
know
split
them
apart.
If
you
use,
you
could
just
go
to
current
districts
and
point
commissioners
per
the
districts,
but
I
think
that
the
current
map
with
five
is
just
completely
inequitable
in
population
representation.
Q
Q
F
About
it
from
an
equitable
standpoint
and
we've
got
areas
of
the
city
geographically,
that
don't
feel
represented,
and
if
we
do
it
100
based
off
population
instead
of
areas
that
maybe
feel
unrepresented
to
me,
there's
a
definition
of
equitable
that
would
include
different
populations
and
making
sure
that
there
was
an
area
that
had
a
commissioner
in
the
process.
And
so
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
here
is.
There
may
be
some
different
definitions.
What
I
hear
you
asking
for
is
equal
and
not
necessarily
equitable
equal
in
population.
Q
A
Any
other
questions
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
that's
all
who's
signed
up
the
rest
of
you
here
to
talk
great,
come
on
up,
sir,
and
then
because
you
haven't
signed
up,
I'm
gonna
ask
whoever
comes
up
to
give
me
your
name
and
your
address
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I
did
look
at
the
agenda
tonight
on
the
city
website.
I
didn't
see
a
place
to
register.
Oh.
A
R
R
R
So
I
don't
look
at
community
of
interest
based
on
ethnicity
or
demographics
or
economics
or
how
you
work
or
where
you
live.
Everybody
is
a
community
of
interests
in
boise.
That's
that's
my
that's
just
my
firm
belief.
I
don't
like
to
divide
people
up
that
way
as
far
as
the
using
population
as
a
way
to
group
together
these
the
districts
for
redistricting.
R
My
suggestion
would
be
to
we
have
a
very,
very
good.
You
asked
about
maps.
We
have
a
very
good
community,
just
community
association
map
and
around
the
town.
I
would
like
to
take
two
or
three
of
these
community.
R
These
neighborhood
associations
group
them
together
and
let
them
appoint
a
citizen
oversight
representative
to
be
on
this
committee
so
that
the
things
that
happen
in
the
room
in
the
committee
that
are
going
to
affect
everybody
in
the
city
have
some
input
from
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
affected
by
it,
not
a
group
of
five
or
six
appointed
people
who
might
have
a
a
special
interest
of
some
sort
and
might
be
leaning
towards
one
way
or
the
other
based
on
the
decisions
they
make.
R
I
believe
that
those
different
areas
where
people
live
regardless
of
how
much
money
they
make
or
what
church
they
go
to
or
what
kind
of
job
they
have
they
all
need
to
be
represented.
Every
voice
in
boise
needs
to
be
represented
by
the
city
council
and
this
district.
This
redistricting
committee
is
going
to
determine
how
those
voices
are
heard
within
the
city
and
just
for
full
disclosure.
R
R
R
We
live
in
a
representative
republic,
a
constitutional
republic
and
every
person
who
lives
in
this
city
should
have
the
opportunity
if
they
choose
to
have
a
voice
in
what
happens
within
the
city
limits
of
this
town
through
their
representatives,
and
I
think
this
is
what
this
process
is
about.
Geographic
representation
in
the
city
of
boise
on
this
panel,
I
think,
is
critical.
S
A
Must
testify
sorry,
I
didn't
realize
you
were
walking
to
the
camera,
come
on
up
and
are
the
two
of
you
in
church
with
matching
logos,
speaking
nope,
okay,
all
right.
C
But
I'm
alexandria
danilovich,
I
live
at
85,
66
west
thunder
mountain
in
boise,
idaho,
83709,
I've
seen
most
of
you
before.
So
thank
you
and
I
hate
being
here
sometimes.
But
I
need
to
raise
my
voice
because
I
am
in
the
area
of
impact,
so
everything
that
you
guys
do
impacts
me,
but
I
have
no
voice.
So
this
is
my
voice,
and
here
I
am
this
evening
explaining
that
again
tonight,
with
what
I
see
on
the
maps
for
the
commissioners
which,
by
proxy
are
from
you
correct
they,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
C
Just
like
I
had
like
something
so
prepared.
It
was
so
good
and
everybody
said
everything
I
was
gonna
say
so
now,
I'm
just
kind
of
speaking
off
the
cup
and
I
apologize,
but
with
the
as
mr
kangas
said,
the
population
doesn't
make
sense,
and
if
we're
going
to
do
districts
we
need
to
actually
have
a
voice
for
everybody.
C
As
mr
madden
also
said,
everybody
deserves
a
voice,
even
those
area
of
impact
people,
and
if
we
can
at
least
have
somebody
that
is
just
north
of
us
by
a
mile
who
can
kind
of,
we
can
actually
try
and
make
a
voice
for
it
would
just
represent
the
city
and
this
town
better.
We
say
we're
nonpartisan.
However,
I'm
sorry
we're
partisan
and
it's
just
unfortunate
or
it's
not.
I
don't
know
yet,
but
from
what
I've
seen
so
far
from
just
being
impacted
by
the
decisions
you
all
have
made
without
having
a
voice.
C
It
has
been
very
much
partisan.
So
if
we
can
have
a
commission
that
is
appointed,
I
know
by
you,
but
if
we
can
have
somehow
the
neighborhood
associations,
just
like
everybody,
said,
be
able
to
have
a
voice
in
that.
That
would,
I
think,
represent
the
city
a
little
bit
more
and
to
be
able
to
represent
the
populations
a
little
bit
more
because
it
is
it's
like
almost
20
it's
about
24
000
in
the
foothills
to
a
hundred
thousand
across
the
west.
The.
C
So
I'm
done,
but
I
just
I
agree
with
what
everybody
else
said.
I
love
that
we
have
districts,
but
I
just
hope
that
everybody
gets
a
voice.
Thank
you.
S
I
wasn't
planning
on
talking,
but
this
was
very
interesting,
so
I
did
just
want
to
make
a
couple
comments
that
came
to
mind.
One
of
them
is,
it
would
be
great.
Maybe
I
missed
this
if
there
were
some
sort
of
years
of
residency
in
boise
requirements
for
these
commission
members,
maybe
you
know,
or
even
just
say,
within
ada,
county
or
you've
lived
in
boise
for
three
of
the
last
five
years.
You
know
if
people
have
to
move
to
garden
city
occasionally
or
things
like
that.
I
think
too.
You
know
it's
interesting.
S
The
things
people
have
talked
about
with
making
these
areas
of
interest
more
similar
and
even
with
the
population,
but
I
think
something
that
council
member
badges
brought
up
is
also
important
to
remember.
Not
everyone
who
lives
in
the
same
neighborhood
has
the
same
opinion
or
interests
about
everything,
so
that,
should
you
know,
geography
of
where
these
commissioners
come
from
is
very
important.
S
But
you
know
we
don't
want
to
necessarily
take
this
approach
of
they're
sort
of
like
a
puppet
and
it's
automatically
assumed
what
they'll
support
and
what
they
want
with
the
lines
and
just
kind
of
one
other
thing
to
think
about.
I
think
it's
great
that
we
have
the
neighborhood
associations,
but
also
keep
in
mind.
Some
are
more
active
than
others,
and
there
are
people
who
are
engaged
with
their
neighbors
and
their
kids
schools
and
their
work
and
don't
necessarily
have
a
lot
of
free
time
to
be
involved
in
their
neighborhood
association.
A
D
T
We
go
okay.
Well,
you
can
see
me
maybe
too
richard
9170
hill
road,
and
you
can
hear
me
that's
correct.
Yes,.
A
T
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
this
discussion.
I
a
lot
of
things.
I've
been
hearing,
I
think,
are,
are
valid
concerns
and
I
do
want
to
recognize.
This
is
kind
of
a
tough
problem
to
kind
of
chicken
an
egg
get
geographic
representation
before
we
have
districts,
but
I
do
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
that
you
know
having
this
huge
disparity
in
the
sizes
of
these
districts.
T
A
A
minute,
sorry,
richard
you
said
you
want
to
discuss
something
else.
Are
you
here
to
discuss
this
ordinance.
T
Yes,
okay,
just
not
the
actual
dish
planning
districts.
Oh.
T
T
So
in
my
mind
what
that
means
is
if
this
commission,
this
commission
group,
comes
up
with
a
map
and
at
a
public
hearing,
then
another
individual
of
the
public
says
well.
I've
drawn
a
map
that
actually
is
more
equal
in
population,
then
that
just
operationally
shows
that
the
one
that
the
the
district
commissioners
came
up
with
is
not,
to
the
nearest
extent
possible,
containing
the
same
number
of
people.
T
So
I
think
that's
you
know
in
a
way
that's
kind
of
refreshing
if
there
is
only
one
such
solution
and
there
normally
would
only
be
one
solution
there.
Really
all
these
other
ideas
aren't
relevant
and
you
know
people
are
working
on
this.
This
is
a
software
problem
right.
It's
an
algorithmic
problem.
I
just
noticed
that
there
was
a
new
paper
out
coming
from
harvard
that
would
give
you
this
optimal
solution.
T
But
if
you
don't
agree-
and
if
the
commission
doesn't
agree
that
this
is
just
simply
a
matter
of
solving
optimizing
a
problem,
then
I
think
it
really
should
be.
I
agree
with
others
that,
in
the
ordinance,
those
other
constraints
that
we're
talking
about
should
be
made
explicit,
because
otherwise
I
think
you're
going
to
leave
yourselves
up
to
challenge
to
a
challenge
legally
and
also
as
to
what
is
fair,
so
and
granted
that
won't
overcome
the
limits
with
the
state
statute,
but
at
least
we'd
be
explicit
and
clear
about
it.
D
How
how
many
more
do
we
have,
madam
mayor?
Currently,
we
have
two
additional
people
online,
but
only
one
person
with
their
hand
raised
okay.
P
Okay,
my
name
is
ken
dijon.
I
reside
at
1829
canal
street
83705,
I
believe
most
of
you.
If
not
all
of
you,
receive
my
written
comments.
I
won't
rehash
those
I
will
be
using
the
term
commissioner
areas
and
the
first
thing
I'd
like
to
ask
you
to
do
as
I
did
in
the
written
comment
is
to
defer
the
adoption
of
this,
or
at
least
put
this
proposed
ordinance
on
hold
right
now,
so
we
can
have
more
public
input,
particularly
with
all
the
ideas
and
concerns
and
that
that
have
been
raised
this
evening.
P
Secondly,
as
to
the
population
and
geographic
diversity,
as
I
noted
in
the
in
my
comments
to
you,
there's
other
ways
of
coming
up
with
that,
such
as
using
the
neighborhood
associations
grouping
those
together
using
voter
precincts
grouping,
those
together,
there's
several
other
ways
of
doing
that,
perhaps
merging
the
neighborhood
associations
and
just
say:
northwest
northeast
south
west
southeast
that
type
of
thing
to
come
up
with
population
and
geographic
diversity
and,
as
others
have
mentioned,
there
is
an
extreme
difference
between
the
highest
and
lowest
of
the
population
projections
right
now.
P
So
I
would
ask
you
to
address
that
as
to
councilman
baijin's
point
about
qualifications,
I
would
suggest
that
the
commissioners
have
at
least
one
of
the
commissioners
have
a
legal
background
and
other
have
a
gis
background,
a
neighborhood
president,
just
an
ordinary
citizen,
something
of
that
nature
and
we
focus
on
the
qualifications
and,
lastly,
to
councilman
halliburton's
point
about
the
maps.
The
city
does
have
an
excellent
gis
section.
P
A
All
right
and
everybody
here
is
testified
all
right,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing.
We've
got
some
questions
or
one
follow-up
from
staff.
When
we
come
back
before
deliberation,
we're
going
to
take
a
five-minute
break.
I've
gotten
some
requests
for
a
quick
bio
break.
A
J
Do
you
may
start
with
yeah
sure?
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I
just
did
confirm
my
understanding
with
city
attorney
that
we
can
do
this,
there's
no
due
process
or
property
right
in
in
being
appointed
to
the
commission.
So
that's
what
makes
it
permissible.
K
Madam
mayor,
I've
got
another
one
for,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
about,
population
discrepancies.
Can
you
go
through
what
each
of
the
current
map
are
in
terms
of
the
population.
B
Madam
mayor
yeah,
before
hannah
addresses
that
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
kind
of
go
through
what
my
proposal
is
going
to
be
in
amending
this
ordinance
before
it
comes
to
us
on
first
reading.
B
A
I'm
sorry
what
I
have
the
numbers
you
do,
and
could
you
pull
up
for
just
for
me
because
I'm
a
visual
person
too
just
pull
up
the
planning
area
map
while
we
discuss
this,
if
this
is,
is
this
related
to
planning
areas?
Okay,
madam
mayor.
K
A
B
So
the
proposal
would
be
to
keep
it
at
five
commissioners,
because
we,
after
extensive
debate,
that's
where
we
landed,
but
the
commissioner
districts
would
be
the
west
bench
would
be
one.
The
north
and
east
end.
B
K
J
Okay,
madame
mayor
and
and
all
council
members,
do
you
want
me
to
tell
you
what
the
what
this
proposed
map
looks
like
population
wise
and
then
what
councilmember
woodings
is
proposing
I've
both
well.
A
I
think
that
since
there's
interest
in
understanding
the
numbers
I
mean
this
is
an
interesting
thing,
because
the
other
cities
just
said
geographic
to
diversity,
rather
than
trying
to
prescribe
the,
I
think
it'd
be
best
if
you,
if
the
count,
if
the
council
president
pro
tem,
would
like
you
to
to
share
numbers
based
on
what
you
just
proposed,
if
you
have
them.
L
A
J
So
west
bench
alone
would
be
77
769..
J
central
bench
in
downtown
combined
would
be
50,
988
southwest
and
airport
combined
would
be
49
552
and
southeast
in
barbara
valley
combined
would
be
six
42,
thirty
six,
so
the
top
would
be
the
seventy
seven
just
over.
Seventy
seven
thousand
and
the
the
smallest
would
be
just
under
forty
three
thousand,
with
a
few
in
between.
G
So
before
we
get
too
deep
in
the
numbers,
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
say:
I've
been
looking
at
the
way.
Other
people
do
this
other
places
and
frankly,
in
none
of
them,
can
I
find
geographic
diversity
or
population
equity
in
the
commission.
G
G
G
Is
it
the
qualifications
of
the
people
that
get
chosen
with
one
would
hope,
the
trust
of
the
community,
that
these
are
people
that
will
act,
unbiased
versus
that
we
try
to
create
some
equal
districts
that
I
guess
I'm
worried
then
create
a
bias
to
represent
that
district
in
the
map,
rather
than
a
unbiased
look
at.
What's
the
best
way
to
represent
the
city.
J
Madam
marin
council
president
a
couple
a
couple
of
comments,
one
in
in
the
conversations
with
meridian
and
nampa
and
throughout
from
the
time
the
legislature
started
talking
about
this
through
the
21
session.
When
we
worked
on
potential
clarifying
legislation,
there
was
a
desire
to
try
as
much
as
possible
to
do
similar
processes
so
that
that's
sort
of
where
the
initial
conversation
came
from
and
in
theirs
they
also
don't
match
up
populations
of
their
geographic
guidelines
for
the
mayor's
appointments,
but
they
do
say
you
know
north
of
this
street
west
of
that
street.
J
That's
how
they
cut
it
up.
In
terms
of
your
question
about
qualifications
and
trust
from
the
community,
I
think
that
is
most
important.
I
think
here
we
were
attempting
to
put
in
place
guidelines
so
that
there
was
some
level
of
diversity
when
it
came
to
where
in
boise
these
commissioners
are
coming
from,
but
certainly
that
isn't
the
only
or
or
probably
paramount
thing
that
the
mayor
and
council
would
likely
consider
when
doing
these
appointments
and
approvals.
B
B
Yeah,
absolutely
so,
on
the
on
the
geographic
piece,
one
of
the
one
of
the
places
that
this
came
from
was
we
were
looking
at
ways
to
build
a
commission
that
did
not
rely
on
partisanship
that
did
not
rely
on
many
of
the
things
that
the
state
uses
when
they're
establishing
their
commission.
How
can
we
do
this
in
a
way
that
represents
boise?
That
represents
our
citizens
and
is
fair
to
folks,
and
they
feel
like
this
is
a
commission
that
represents
everyone.
B
This
is
one
of
the
ways
that
we
decided
to
do
that
and
basing
it
on
our
already
established
geographic
planning
areas
seemed
to
make
sense
originally,
because
we
have
10
geographic
planning
areas
and
we
were
only
having
five
commissioners.
It
made
sense
to
just
combine
two
geographic
planning
areas
to
make.
The
districts
turned
out
that
that
did
not
work
in
a
contiguous
way,
particularly
because
the
west
bench
geographic
planning
area
is
so
large
in
population,
and
so
this
proposal
kind
of
takes
that
original
intention.
B
K
I
think
it
would
help
us,
given
that
we
heard
over
and
over
again
from
public
testimony
about
the
numbers,
whether
we
like
that
or
not
the
numbers
of
the
population
and
the
wide
geographic
swath
that
these
have
to
have
some
comparison
so
hannah.
Could
you
please
talk
about
what
those
numbers
were
prior
to
this
new
opportunity?
This
new
map.
J
It
yeah
sure
thank
you,
madam
mayor
councilmember,
welts
in
in
the
map
that
is
up
on
the
screen
now
in
these
combined
areas.
North
east
ends
in
downtown,
comprised
36
119,
northwest
and
foothills
are
29
274
airport
and
southwest
49,
552,
west
bench
and
central
119
888
and
barbara
valley
and
southeast
42
636.
A
And
councilmember
willits
good
point.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
So
I
think-
and
I
know
other
people
disagree-
that
this
obsession
over
where
people
live
is
it's
it's
contrary
to
that.
It
sort
of
implies
that
you
may
have
a
better
opinion
about
what's
fair
to
every
voter,
based
on
what
neighborhood
you
live
in,
and
I
don't
think
that's
right.
So
my
concern
is
the
way
that
geographic
areas
or
planning
areas
function
is
to
exclude
people
from
being
on
the
panel.
E
So
you
can
imagine
the
two
most
qualified,
stellar
awesome
district
commissioners,
people,
national
experts
who
happen
to
live
in
the
same
part
of
our
city.
They
would
not
be
permitted
to
serve
on
the
panel
together
because
the
geographic
areas
give
primacy
to
where
people
happen
to
live
over
what
their
actual
skills
and
qualifications
are.
So
I
know
we're
going
down
this
road
to
making
sure
that
the
body
that
draws
the
lines
for
the
districts
is
geographically
representative,
but
I
just
don't
understand
how
geographic
representation
is
relevant
to
the
skill
of
drawing
a
fair
map.
E
P
E
You
know
if
I
were
starting
all
over
at
the
very
beginning.
I'd
say
we
have
one
planning
area,
that's
the
city
of
boise
and
we
look
for
the
best
people
in
it.
So
as
we're
thinking
about
how
to
slice
these
things
up,
I
just
see
it
causing
more
division.
We
argue
over
this
one's
bigger
this
one's
littler.
This
neighborhood's
different,
that's
not
relevant
to
drawing
a
fair
map
to
voters.
A
K
B
Madam
mayor,
I
think
I'll
just
put
a
motion
on
the
table
so
that
we
can
kind
of
discuss
from
there.
If
that
makes
sense,.
A
Okay,
but
then
okay,
so
there
was.
I
would
actually
consider
council
if
we're
going
to
do
your
last
question
the
council
member
will.
It's
also
had
a
last
question,
so
I
think
that
we
ought
to
have
a
motion
on
the
table
and
then
we'll
get
to
both
questions.
As
part
of
that
conversation,
I.
K
K
B
Mic
right,
thank
you,
and-
and
there
were
some
things,
for
example-
that
came
from
the
public
tonight.
That
would
be
that
will
be
things
that
will
be
in
policy
such
as
considering
publicly
submitted
maps.
Those
things
will
be
the
things
that
come
out
of
policy.
I
don't
have
like
the
full
list
of
policy
considerations,
but
hannah
does
so
that's
great.
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
a
few
times
tonight
was
we
need
experts
on
this
commission.
B
This
expert
or
this
commission
will
also
be
staffed
by
experts
by
an
expert
consultant
gis
consultants,
so
they
will
have
that
professional
underpinning
of
support.
This
really
is
intended
to
be
a
citizen
commission,
that's
representing
the
interests
of
the
people
of
boise,
so
the
districting
plan
requirements,
a
lot
of
that
is
laid
out
in
state
statute.
B
As
far
as
you
can
only
have
deviations
of
a
certain
percentage
between
districts,
so
that'll
all
be
laid
out.
One
thing
that
did
come
up
tonight
from
council
member
beijing,
I
believe,
was
the
piece
in
the
ordinance
about
in
the
event
that
the
boise
districting
plan
must
be
updated
before
the
next
decennial
census.
I
think
is
worth
taking
a
closer
look
at.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
threshold
there,
like
only
when
an
annexation
results
in
population
disparity
between
districts.
B
So
we
may
need
to
look
at
that
piece
a
little
bit
too.
So
my
intention
tonight
is
to
not
send
this
to
first
reading
until
next
week,
with
some
of
those
cleanups
done
and
having
a
better
a
better
version
of
this
ordinance,
taking
into
consideration
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
heard
tonight,
taking
into
consideration
some
of
the
technical
aspects
that
we've
heard.
K
But
so
follow-up
question
for
the
newbie
so
once
it
goes
to
first
reading,
though,
is
it
amendable,
I
mean,
and
because
I
know
we
won't
have
a
public
hearing
on
it
again.
So
we'll
they'll
see
we'll
see
this,
but
it
will
be
kind
of
on
autopilot.
So
if
there's
things
that
need
to
be
corrected,
then
what
happens.
B
Madam
mayor,
if
the
changes
so
the
changes
that
we're
considering
tonight
are
substantial
enough,
that
we
can't
do
a
first
reading
and
then
amend
so
that's
why
we'll
make
the
amendments
and
then
do
a
first
reading
if
there
are
minor
adjustments
in
between
first
reading
and
third
reading,
those
can
be
made,
but
if
it's
something
substantial,
it
would
have
to
go
back
to
first
reading.
That's
why
we're
trying
to
really
get
it
dialed
in
really
nailed
down
before
it
goes
to
first
reading
we're
on
a
we're
on
a
bit
of
a
timeline
here.
B
G
Go
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
So
one
of
the
things
I
don't
see
in
the
ordinance
nor
on
the
list
of
policy
and
frankly,
I
think
it
probably
deserves
to
be
in
the
ordinance
and
not
on
the
policy
list,
is
a
certain
number
of
days
that
the
map
will
be
available
to
the
public
for
review
before
a
public
hearing
or
before
a
vote.
G
K
Madam
mayor
councilwoman
woodings,
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
you
didn't
go
with
the
neighborhood
association
approach
that
we
heard
from
public
hearing?
Give
us
some
background
on
that.
B
Yeah,
madam
mayor
councilmember
willits,
as
was
as
was
noted
by
one
of
our
citizens
here
in
the
chamber,
we
have
various
neighborhood
associations
with
various
levels
of
engagement
from
their
neighbors,
so
some
you
know,
may
have
high
levels
of
engagement,
a
lot
of
neighbors
really
taking
part
and
making
sure
that
their
voice
is
heard
through
their
neighborhood
association.
B
I
would
encourage,
however,
neighborhood
associations
to
encourage
neighbors,
to
put
their
name
in
for
this
commission
nominate
folks
and
make
sure
that
you
have
really
good
people
who
are
applying
to
this
commission,
because
it
is
important-
and
we
want
really
good,
really
good
folks
serving
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
citizens
really
have
really
have
a
lot
of
faith
in
the
process.
E
Sure,
madam
mayor,
I.
E
Two
things:
I
think
this
will
be
in
your
motion,
but
you
know
it's
just
really
critical
a
geographic
thing
a
second
ago,
so
I'll
point
out
a
couple
of
things
that
I
like
first
five
year
before
and
after
rule,
I
think,
is
really
important:
it's
not
an
ex
plus
facto
law.
It's
not
a
crime
to
not
be
on
the
commission.
E
That's
that's
silly,
but
what's
important
is
that
the
commission
look
and
feel
and
remain
independent,
and
you
can't
have
people
mucking
around
in
the
making
the
rules
while
then
also
running,
to
benefit
or
not
benefit
under
those
rules,
so
really
strong
supporter
of
the
five
year
before
and
after
separation
with
the
council.
I
think
that's
really
important
and
then
the
second
is
the
community
interest
piece
that
representative
nash
brought
up.
E
His
suggestion
was
to
put
it
in
the
code
to
provide
that
council
can
remand
back
to
the
commission
based
on
failure
to
adequately
consider
or
properly
accommodate
a
community
of
interest.
I
don't
think
it
belongs
in
the
code.
I
do
think
it
belongs
in
the
policy
and
the
reason
is
because
that
standard
is
so
vague
and
it's
so
open
to
interpretation
and
giving
the
council
an
opportunity
to
say
no
to
the
work
of
an
independent
commission
based
on
a
vague
standard,
really
invites
at
least
accusations
of
impropriety,
maybe
actual
impropriety.
I
think
it's
it's.
E
For
the
same
reason,
I
really
like
the
five-year
separation-
it's
too
squishy,
too
hinky
too
too
close
together.
So
he's
at
the
representative
is
absolutely
right.
We
need
to
be
considering
community
of
interest
and
it
needs
to
be
clear
in
the
policy
document,
but
I
don't
think
the
council
should
be
allowed
to
veto
a
map
based
on
what
it
happens.
To
think
the
relevant
community
of
interest
is.
B
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
beijing,
I
agree
completely.
I
think
it's
such
a
sticky
wicket
when
we
start
to
get
over
prescriptive
in
ordinance.
We
can
set
forth
in
policy
some
things
that
cause
less
conflict
in
our
final
ratification
of
a
map,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
right
and
correct
thing
to
do.
B
Think
I
can
be
pretty
specific
about
what
needs
to
be
amended
and
I
think
I'd
like
to
get
that
into
the
public
record
on
what
we
want
to
amend.
So,
madam
mayor,
I
would
like
for
this
ordinance
to
come
back
next
week
for
first
reading
with
the
following
changes
that
we
change
21-16-3.
B
Section
b
to
the
geographic
areas
as
outlined
in
earlier
conversation,
west
bench,
north
and
east
ends
with
the
foothills
and
northwest
boise
central
bench
in
downtown
southwest
in
airport
and
barber
valley
in
southeast
boise.
B
Sorry,
I
lost
my
place
section
2-16-7
districting
procedure,
subsection
g
to
update
that
the
city
council
may
remand
the
matter
of
the
commission
only
upon
define
upon
a
finding
supported
by
substantial
evidence
that
the
boise
districting
plan
does
not
meet
the
criteria
set
forth
in
idaho
code,
section,
50-707-a
or
boise
city
code,
and
that
completes
my
changes.
A
A
E
B
I
did
not,
I
I
believe
that
can
be
policy.
I
also
have
because
the
citizen
districting
commission
will
also
be
receiving
public
input.
I
feel
that
between
that
and
policy
there
will
be
adequate
time
for
the
citizens
of
boise
to
see
and
respond
to
proposed
maps.
B
There
is
a
requirement
in
the
current
ordinance
that
that
it
be
published
10
days
in
advance
as
well
or
notice,
10
days
in
advance.
K
B
G
So,
thank
you,
councilmember
woodings.
I
guess
I
would
ask
if
you'd
be
interested
in
one
amendment
right
now.
It
calls
for
the
notice
of
a
public
hearing.
L
G
B
I'm
not
going
to
find
the
code
section
right
now
that
the
map
be
published
also
10
days
in
advance
with
the
public
notice.
It
would
be
216.
G
B
Mayor,
I
just
want
to
say
how
cool
I
think
this
process
has
been
in
the
past,
often
when
we
bring
ordinances,
they're
already
pretty
neat
and
tidy
by
the
time
we
bring
them
to
this
point,
this
one,
I
think,
had
significant
interest
and
rightfully
so
because
it's
such
a
huge
part
of
the
democratic
process
in
the
city
we've
been
expecting
and
working
on
this
for
a
very
long
time.
B
We've
wanted
many
of
these
things
to
be
in
state
code,
and
that
did
not
happen
one
year,
much
to
our
chagrin,
and
so
it's
really
great
to
be
here
at
this
process
with
a
lot
of
public
interest,
like
people
really
care
about
this
and
rightfully
so.
So,
thank
you
to
everyone.
Who's
reached
out
who's
offered,
suggestions
and
who's
really
cared
enough
to
be
here
tonight.
It
really
means
a
lot.
G
I'd
like
to
make
a
few
comments
too,
if
I
could.
First
of
all
thank
you,
council
president
pro
tem
woodings
for
the
work
that
you
put
into
this.
Thank
you
hannah
and
other
staff
for
the
hours
of
work
put
into
trying
to
get
this
into
state
code
earlier
and
then
producing
this
ordinance.
G
I
would
also
like
to
voice
support
for
the
five-year
before
and
after
rule.
I
think
it's
incredibly
important
that
the
commissioners
not
have
an
interest
in
the
elective
process,
but
have
an
interest
in
the
process
of
creating
districts
that
are
equitable
and
fair
and,
to
the
extent
possible,
keep
together
communities
of
interest.
G
So
I
also
do
support
communities
of
putting
communities
of
interest
in
the
policy
and
in
terms
of
the
geographic
representation
and
the
question
about
neighborhoods.
I
just
like
to
say,
having
served
as
a
neighborhood
president,
I
love
neighborhood
associations.
I
think
they're,
wonderful,
for
this
city.
I
think
they
do
a
lot
to
help
us
do
a
lot
of
good
work,
but
I
would
also
say,
echoing
some
comments
by
councilmember
hallie
burton
that
they
don't
necessarily
equitably
represent
all
of
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
boise.
G
Most
of
the
people
who
participate
in
neighborhood
associations
are
people
who
have
privilege
who
have
time
who
have
the
ability
to
participate
that
doesn't
necessarily
equitably
represent
our
citizens,
and
so
that
gets
me
to
the
geographic
representation.
I
think
we're
arguing
about
the
wrong
thing.
What
we
want,
or
I'm
unbiased
people
to
represent
us
on
this
commission
to
create
a
fair
map
and,
quite
frankly,
with
geographic
representation.
G
If
the
mayor
or
the
people
who
apply
or
whoever
want
to
gerrymander
the
system
and
put
one
kind
of
person,
you
can
do
that
geographic
representation
doesn't
necessarily
equate
to
equitable
representation
on
this
on
this
commission
I'll
be
voting
for
this
motion
tonight,
because
I
think
it's
a
compromise
that
I
can
live
with,
but
I
hope
that
the
citizens
will
be
mindful
that
what
we
want
here
are
people
who
will
in
an
unbiased
way
not
biased
to
my
neighborhood
or
your
neighborhood.
G
In
an
unbiased
way,
look
at
the
population
and
the
communities
of
interest
around
the
city
of
boise
and
create
a
map
that
provides
equitable
representation
to
me,
that's
the
most
important
thing
we
can
get
at
tonight,
and
this
is
a
compromise
that
I
can
live
with.
I
I
but
I
am
concerned
about
some
of
the
things
I
heard
and
what
I
think
is
represented
by
those
which
I
don't
think
I've
in
my
30
years
of
participation
in
this
city
ever
seen.
So
thank
you.
F
Vladimir
there's
not
a
ton
that
I
can
add
to
what's
already
been
said.
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
this.
I
appreciate
council
member
of
beijing's
comment
earlier
now.
Council,
president
clay's
comment
about
the
intention
really
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
unbiased
process
completely,
that
we
any
way
that
we
can
possibly
do
it.
I
was
concerned
that
we
were
going
to
have
to
figure
out.
F
How
can
we
create
a
map
to
create
a
map,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
really
big
problem,
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
use
our
geographic
planning
areas
and
I
do
understand
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
voiced.
I
think
council,
pro
tem
wooding's
compromise
of
trying
drew,
rearrange
and
replace
some
of
those
does
speak
to
some
of
those
things.
At
the
same
time,
I
still
think
that
the
unbiased
aspect
doesn't
matter
where
you
live.
F
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
looking
at
this
not
from
a
geographical
standpoint,
but
from
a
doing
it
right
standpoint
and
council
member
beijing
said
it
perfectly.
This
is
a
technical
issue.
We
need
to
approach
it
in
a
very,
very
technical
way,
and
so
I
I
do
appreciate
that
we're
doing
that-
and
I
appreciate
that
everybody
has
come
here
to
comment
tonight.
F
I
also
think
that
we
do
have
experts
all
over
the
city
who
can
provide
wonderful
comments
in
any
type
of
areas
that
there
are,
and
I'm
confident,
we'll
find
very,
very
qualified
people
in
the
areas
that
you
outlined.
K
Had
a
mayor
a
few
comments,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
councilwoman
woodings
and
the
staff
for
all
that
you've
done.
This
is
hard
everything
about
is
hard,
and
I
appreciate
you
doing
it,
and
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
feedback.
I
think
it's
really
important.
K
K
K
I
think
when
you
get
out
of
your
out
of
your
neighborhood
and
you
get
to
see
more
things
about
a
city,
but
it
also
helps
to
know
what
your
life
is
like
within
that
part
of
the
city,
and
I
think
we've
done
a
better
job
of
addressing
that.
K
K
I
understand
that
it
would
pause
it
for
a
minute
and
there
might
be
some
concern
about
we're
arguing
about
people
who
are
going
to
create
a
map,
but
I
do
think
that
the
more
open
we
can
make
this
the
more
opportunity
we
have
for
public
comment,
the
stronger
this
will
be.
It
helps
us
build
some
bridges
here
and
it
helps
people
feel
more
comfortable
with
what
they're
saying.
I
know
that.
That's
that's
not
in
the
motion,
but
I
I
do
believe
that
that's
a
better
process
and
a
better
transparent
process.
K
It's
not
our
normal
process,
but
I
think
in
this
case,
there's
nothing
normal
about
this.
It's
totally
new,
so
so
without
the
opportunity
to
have
another
public
discourse
on
this,
I'm
going
to
be
voting
now.
A
A
Well,
thank
you
all
for
joining
us
this
evening
and
for
those
of
you
that
are
online
still
online
thanks
for
coming,
I
got
to
make
sure
I
think
that
was
the
only
thing
yep
there's
nothing
else
on
the
agenda.