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A
In
council,
I
imagine
that
we're
we're
still
doing
zoom
and
stuff
too
right
yeah.
So
there
are
some
people
at
home,
but
welcome
everyone
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
we'll
start
with
an
invocation
which
we
observe
and
by
having
a
moment
of
silence,
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
A
D
E
E
B
A
Thank
you,
and
now
we
have
under
special
business.
First
up
mike
welcome
back
you're
with
us
at
the
work
session,
the
quarter
to
2021
quarterly.
F
F
Madam
mayor
council
members
good
evening,
yes,
I
have
the
second
quarter
financial
report
to
go
through
this
evening
and
the
cover
you
should
have
received
a
electronic
copy
of
this
in
your
agenda
packet.
It's
the
harrison
hall
trailhead
and
getting
into
some
numbers
just
to
get
through
this,
hopefully
quickly.
F
This
is
a
snapshot
of
revenues
through
march
and
just
hitting
the
high
points.
Property
tax
has
been
been
paid
as
it
normally
is.
We
just
have
a
lower
levy
amount
this
year,
with
the
the
governor's
grant
program
sales
tax.
We
had
a
very
conservative
budget
and
we
already
expect
to
be
over
that
significantly.
F
A
year
ago
we
thought
that
the
pandemic
could
really
reduce
the
economy
and
sales
tax,
and
actually
the
reverse
happened.
We're
still
surprised
at
how
strong
sales
tax
has
been
so
we're
30
a
budget.
We
do
expect
that
to
be
well
over
budget
development
fees
is
another
area
where
we
had
a
conservative
budget
set.
F
Just
a
point
on
that
and
expense
savings
I'll
get
to
in
the
next
slide
is
we
already
are
considering
those
funds.
When
we
come
to
you
with
the
budget
and
talk
about
unallocated
and
one-time
funds,
we
are
factoring
that
in
and
we
likely
will
be
coming
back
later
this
year
with
budget
changes
to
move
some
of
these
budget
figures
moving
down
liquor
tax
continues
to
do
well.
Franchise
fees
are
slightly
soft,
but
probably
are
doing
better.
F
Now,
with
the
economy
reopening
department
revenue,
we
still
are
seeing
weakness
there,
just
given
two
areas,
mainly
park
user
fees,
and
hopefully
that
is
starting
to
change,
as
is
again,
we
open
up
and
then
parking,
and
we
will
be
monitoring
parking
to
see
how
much
that
starts
to
come
back
with
more
people
downtown
and
such
fines
and
forfeitures
is
also
an
area
that
is
lower
just
given
less
parking,
lower
parking
and
towing
fines.
F
I
think
traffic
fines
are
also
down,
but
looking
at
those
we
we
see
potential
to
to
cover
those
those
revenues
we've
gotten
through
quite
well
a
year
ago.
We
would
have
said
this.
This
would
be
good
if
we
could
get
to
where
we
are
now.
F
F
Moving
on
to
the
expenses
again,
this
is
through
march
key
numbers
in
there
there's
a
if
you
look
at
personnel
subtotal
we're
at
47
percent
of
budget
through
march.
A
fair
number
of
vacancies
that
is
is
driving
that
number
the
benchmark
would
be
50
of
the
year.
So
we're
we're
under
budget
there,
repairs
and
maintenance
are
higher,
and
that's
due
to
the
timing
of
software
maintenance.
A
lot
of
our
microsoft
and
other
licenses
are
front
loaded
in
in
the
year.
So
that's
why
that
number
is
higher.
F
Bus
operations
is
at
25,
normally
that's
higher,
but
that's
just
to
the
timing
of
brt
contributions
to
their
their
budget
and
in
general,
mno
maintenance.
Operation
costs
are
38
of
budget,
so
a
little
bit
lower
again,
mainly
due
to
vrt
and
overall
we're
at
40
of
the
budget
expenses
through
six
months.
So
again,
we
are
ahead
of
budget
and
we'll
be
monitoring
that
to
see
if
we'll
be
coming
under
budget
and
may
consider
some
budget
changes.
F
F
Also,
housing
inventory
continues
to
be
exceptionally
low,
idaho,
idaho,
home
prices
increased
25
in
the
last
12
months,
ending
march.
That
is
easily
first
in
the
country,
as
we've
we've
had
in
last
couple
years,
the
national
average
was
11.3
percent.
The
next
two
closest
states
were
montana
at
about
19
in
arizona
at
about
18
percent.
F
I
mentioned
sales
tax
already
and
even
if
we
look
at
just
the
revenue
sharing
portion
which
goes
to
cities
and
counties,
it
is
up
16
or
the
same
quarter
from
a
year
ago.
It's
surprising
a
number
can
be
that
high.
So
that's
it's
a
good
sign
for
for
the
idaho
economy
and
if
we
look
at
gross
sales
tax,
it's
up
18
year-over-year.
F
We
are
currently
limited
for
the
cities
collections
to
one
percent
growth
through
june.
The
good
news
is
the
way
sales
tax
was
so
strong.
Last
year,
this
new
legislation
set
the
base
year
and
our
base
got
set,
and
so
now
we
just
calculate
basically
one
percent
on
that
and
we
still
get
a
good
number
here
that
will
be
much
higher
than
our
budget.
F
Then
moving
on
to
airport
traffic,
a
couple
bullet
points
here,
if
we
look
at
monthly
traffic
march,
was
up
to
71
percent
of
march
2019
as
a
comparison
year
last
year
the
pandemic
was
setting
in
and
april
last
year
was
a
low
point.
If
we
look
at
april
this
year,
it's
up
to
79
percent
again
of
vehicle
two
years
prior,
so
things
are
looking
up
there.
F
F
Now
it
is
at
6.2
it
is
double
what
it
was
and
that
is
coming
after
a
3.5
negative
growth
last
year
with
a
pandemic.
Also,
unemployment
is
very
interesting
right
now,
by
march,
we
are
down
to
3.6
percent.
So
if
4
is
full
employment,
we're
already
getting
ahead
of
that
which
indicates
a
tighter
labor
market,
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
there,
but
for
april
the
figure
was
down
to
3.1
percent.
F
So
if
things
continue,
we
should
be
down
below
three
percent
again,
which
is
is
getting
to
be
quite
low,
and
yet
we
know
jobs
are
available.
We
see
jobs,
people
are
hiring
all
over
the
place.
The
other
thing
that's
happening
is
entry
level
wages
are
going
up.
If
you
drive
by
mcdonald's,
you
may
see
a
sign
that
says
they're
starting
people
at
13
an
hour,
so
that
helps
some
people
who
work
those
jobs.
F
F
As
some
of
those
come
back,
we
actually
need
need
workers,
some
possible
reasons,
for
I
guess
you
know
job
vacancies
and
while
people
are
hiring-
and
I
think
it's
a
multi-factorial
thing-
there
are
still
some
lingering
virus
safety
concerns
for
some
people.
They
would
rather
not
work
in
a
public
setting,
there's
some
preference
for
remote
work.
If
you
can
get
it,
I
think
some
of
that
is
starting
to
change
with
mass
coming
off
in
that
and
more
vaccinations,
but
that
could
linger
and
there
continue.
Probably
some
daycare
and
schooling
challenges.
F
School
should
be
open
in
the
fall.
Daycare
should
be
opening
up,
but
from
my
own
personal
experience,
that
is
not
something
you
do
right
away.
Also
the
kids
hopefully
can
get
vaccinated.
This
fall.
The
younger
kids,
some
employees
are
probably
just
seeking
higher
pay
looking
to
change
jobs.
Some
people
have
probably
left
lesion
hospitality
and
then
the
other
thing
everybody's
heard
about
is
the
enhanced
unemployment
benefits.
Does
that
give
people
an
incentive
to
stay
home?
Certainly
there's
some
of
that?
F
We
will
find
out
soon
how
this
starts
to
shake
out
over
the
summer.
There
is
a
view
out
there
that
small
businesses
in
particular
may
still
be
struggling
to
hire.
We've
got
immigration,
we
still
have
jobs,
we
don't
do
we
have
enough
people
for
them.
F
Another
thing
I've
read
is
perhaps
people
who
are
moving
here,
if
they're
retired
or
if
they
work
remotely
out
of
state
they're,
not
available
to
work
here.
They
contribute
to
our
economy,
they
live
here.
It's
almost
a
little
like
a
resort
town
effect,
so
different
things
going
on
there,
but
my
sense
is:
we
are
likely
to
be
below
three
three
percent
unemployment
and
we
will
be
looking
at
that
labor
force
participation
to
see
if
we
get
more
people
back.
A
I've
got
a
question
about
that,
so
in
april
it
was
3.1
percent
unemployment.
What
was
it
pre-pandemic.
F
A
F
A
F
Yeah,
if,
if
someone
wants
a
job
and
that
there
are
plenty.
E
F
This
is
just
a
graph,
just
it's
in
the
economic
brief
shows
the
unemployment
and
the
line
you'll
see
a
line
off
to
the
left
under
january
through
march,
which
shows
our
jobs
are
just
a
little
bit
below
where
they
were
a
year
ago
before
the
pandemic
hit.
So
again,
we'll
be
monitoring
that
to
see
how
much
that
comes
up
and
if
we
start
seeing
some
job
growth
and
we
still
see
that
immigration
is
occurring.
So
that
will
be
something
also
interesting
to
watch
as
things
go
forward.
G
Madam
mayor,
I'm
curious
about,
if
we
have
these
statistics
for
other
cities
in
the
treasure
valley
like,
for
example,
amazon
brought
a
huge
warehouse
online
during
the
pandemic
likely
hiring
thousands.
So
I'm
kind
of
curious
if
some
of
our
employment
numbers
reflect
folks
just
working
other
places
and
kind
of
filling
those
vacuums.
F
D
Metamer,
thank
you
something
I've
observed
on
social
media.
A
lot
too
is
people
saying
goodbye
to
boise
and
idaho
because
of
the
social
climate,
and
that
for
somebody
reading
the
news,
they
would
see
this
as
a
place
that
is
inhospitable
and
that
that
is
also
part
of
it,
and
I
I
think
there
is
questions
about
whether
or
not
that
enhancement
of
unemployment
really
did
have
the
effect
that
people
presuppose
that
it
does.
D
Are
we
going
to
do
any
sort
of
surveying
to
determine
what's
going
on
rather
than
guess.
F
Madam
mayor
council,
member
good
question,
I
would
think
that,
as
things
evolve
here
at
some
point,
there
will
be
some
economists
and
others
who
try
to
explain.
You
know
study
what
has
happened
and
you
know
what's
the
changes
of
labor
force?
What's
the
you
know,
people
who
may
have
migrated
in
or
migrated
out
or
done,
different
things
or
changed
industries
because
yeah,
it's
it's
very
interesting
and
if
you
start
looking
at
will
we
have
enough
workers.
This
could
take
a
while
for
it
to
resolve
where
we
could
be
labor
short.
D
Madam
mayor,
just
a
quick
follow-up:
the
fact
that
our
immigration
rates
have
not
been
what
they
once
were
because
of
policy
at
the
national
level,
I'm
wondering
if
that's
also
affecting
our
ability
to
hire
folks
who
would
normally
do
some
of
those
service
industry,
type
jobs.
F
Yes,
I
think
historically,
we've
had
more
immigration
and
that
spigot
has
kind
of
dried
up,
and
I
think
there
is
also
a
view
out
there,
like
the
agricultural
industry,
that
they
need
the
visas
or
something
to
get
people
in
to
run
dairies
or
other
agricultural
jobs.
So,
yes,
there
is
pressure
there
as
well.
F
Another
thing
too
just
to
throw
out
consumer
sanchez.
Is
I've
also
read
recently
that
some
people,
maybe
fine-
they
just
need
to
leave
boise
to
get
housing
because
the
cost
of
housing
is
so
hard
to
come
by
and
it's
become
so
expensive
and
keeps
going
up.
F
So
here
here
is
the
march
unemployment
rates
boise
3.6
percent
again
for
april
it
was
3.1
percent
and
we're
doing
significantly
better
than
the
country
overall,
and
then
this
is
comparing
our
metropolitan
statistical
area,
which
is
greater
the
greater
boise
area
to
other
western
cities
and,
with
the
exception
of
salt
lake,
we're
doing
quite
well,
and
I
think
we're
40th
out
of
389
areas
in
the
country.
F
F
So,
in
summary,
our
revenues
and
expenditures
are
within
expectations.
We
have
some
conservative
revenues,
budgeted
versus
revenues,
we're
seeing
that
have
held
up
or
improved,
and
again,
we'll
probably
have
some
some
budget
changes
later
to
deal
with
some
of
these
things.
F
A
Next
up
I'll
just
ask
cody,
I'm
still
going
to
talk
to
clerk
for
a
moment,
I'm
going
to
come
up
with
the
revised
findings.
Thank
you
mike.
H
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council.
As
you'll
recall
on
may
18th
this
year
you
approved
an
appeal
overturning
a
decision
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
to
disallow
solar
panels
on
a
street
facing
facade
in
the
north.
End
included
in
your
packet
was
a
set
of
findings
and
conditions
of
approval,
reflecting
that
decision
and
we're
asking
for
your
approval
or
adoption
of
those
this
evening.
Thank
you.
C
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
cody.
I
reviewed
the
findings
and
found
that
they
were
in
line
with
a
decision
that
we
made
on
this
matter
and
unless
there's
further
discussion,
I
would
move
that
we
accept
the
findings
on
sorry.
I'm
looking
for
the
number.
C
Drh21-72
for
adoption
second.
E
A
Cody
next
up
we'll
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
There
will
be
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
council,
member
or
citizen
so
requests,
in
which
case
the
item
will
be
removed
from
the
general
order
of
business
and
considered
in
its
normal
sequence.
A
D
E
A
C
You,
madam
mayor,
yes,
I
move
that
all
rules
of
the
council,
interfering
with
the
immediate
consideration
of
ord
2921,
be
suspended,
that
the
portions
of
idaho
code,
50
902,
requiring
an
ordinance
to
be
read
on
three
different
days
twice
by
title
and
once
in
full,
be
dispensed
with
and
that
the
records
show
it
has
been
read
for
the
third
time
in
full.
Second,.
E
B
All
in
favor
motion
carries
ord-29-21
an
ordinance
amending
the
development
code
regarding
specific
procedures.
Section
11-03-032b1
excuse
me:
I
correcting
clerical
errors
with
respect
to
notification,
requirements
for
subdivisions
greater
than
5
acres,
conditional
use
permits
greater
than
five
acres
and
gateway
streets,
providing
for
a
waiver
of
the
reading
rules
and
providing
effective
date.
B
A
Thank
you
next
up,
we'll
move
into
new
business.
First,
we
have
one
subdivision
and
it
is
sub.
20-16
is
the
applicant
here
in
the
chambers.
All
right
is
the
applicant
online
okay,
great.
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
hear
nobody
has
signed
up
for
this
here.
This
item
is
that
I'm
just
going
to
look
to
everybody
here.
First,
anybody
here
sign
up
for.
A
Okay,
if
there's
anyone
online,
I
don't
imagine
that
there
is,
but
if
there
is
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
be
able
to
call
on
you
we'll
start
first
with
city
staff,
kevin
welcome
and
then
is
it
either
abby
stover
or
kathy
venwrec,
the
applicant.
You
can,
let
us
know
if
you're
in
agreement
with
terms
and
conditions
or
answer
some
questions
from
the
council
and
we'll
move
from
there.
So
go
ahead.
Welcome.
I
So,
as
you
said,
this
is
a
preliminary
and
final
plot
application
for
a
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
nine
buildable
locks
on
1.4
acres
in
r1b
and
r1c
zone,
so
we're
located
over
here
on
the
west
bench
just
near
the
intersection
of
corey
lane
and
maple
grove
surrounded
by
other
residential
uses
and
a
religious
institution
to
the
south,
and
before
getting
into
the
details,
it's
probably
important
to
note
that
the
subdivision
is
planned
to
be
to
provide
home
ownership
opportunities
to
families
making
less
than
80
percent
of
ami.
I
As
you
can
see
here,
the
property
itself
is
split,
zoned
between
r1c
and
r1b
and
with
their
decision
last
month,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
did
approve,
of
the
general
exception
to
apply
the
r1c
standards
across
the
entire
property.
Also
included
was
a
plan
unit
development
for
reduced
dimensional
standards,
which
resulted
in
the
layout.
You
see
here
on
the
right
really.
The
only
point
of
discussion
during
the
commission
hearing
was
how
best
to
set
up
these
landscape
buffers.
You
see
here
highlighted
along
corey
lane
and
maple
grove.
C
Yes,
thank
you
it's
hard
to
tell
if
the
sidewalk
the
is
being
proposed,
the
attached
sidewalk
is
existing
or,
if
it's
being
built
with
this
right,
it
looks
like
it's
being
built.
Is
that
correct.
I
Madam
mayor
council
president,
the
along
corey
lane-
actually
here
we
can
show
so
this
top
image
here-
is
a
photo
of
along
maple
grove.
So
there's
existing
attached
sidewalk
that
would
remain
and
then
that
bottom
photo
there
is
corey
lane
which
does
not
have
any
improvements,
so
those
would
be
going
and
it
would
be
a
seven
foot
attached
sidewalk.
C
I
I
C
Convinced
that
it's
cheaper
to
build
it
attached
than
detached,
if
we're
going
to
require
the
landscape
strip.
In
addition,
so
would
ask
that
during
the
is
this
a
final.
I
C
During
the
between
now
and
and
when
the
permits
are
issued,
if
you
review
that,
if
there's
any
way
to
change
it,
if
it's
not
a
different
cost,.
J
A
J
All
right,
can
you
guys
see
a
powerpoint
slide
for
me?
Oh
yeah,
it
looks
like
you
can
all
right
so
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
those
common
lots
that
kevin
touched
on.
Let
me
get
my
slide
up
here,
yeah
so
again.
To
reiterate
this
is
an
affordable
housing
project,
we're
going
to
provide
nine
single
family
homes
for
those
making.
Eighty
percent
of
the
area
median
income
with
through
a
partnership
with
boise
city
of
boise's,
affordable
housing
program.
J
J
J
J
And
since
it's
such
a
small
development,
a
property
management
company
would
need
to
be
hired
to
maintain
those
common
lots.
There
would
also
be
utility
costs
to
provide
power
and
water
to
maintain
that
landscaping,
so
the
cost
the
estimated
cost
to
each
homeowner
would
be
a
minimum
of
a
hundred
dollars
per
lot
per
month,
which
comes
to
you
know,
twelve
hundred
dollars
per
year
for
each
homeowner
and
that's
the
minimum
that
we
have
estimated
for
that,
so
it
could
even
be
higher
and
that
12
hundred
dollars.
J
J
So
the
preferred
option
that
we
proposed
in
our
original
submittal
for
the
preliminary
plot
was
to
put
those
easements
within
common
lots
and
include
them
in
each
of
the
buildable
lots
so
lot.
One
and
lot
nine
would
have
the
corey
lane
buffer
as
part
of
their
lot.
It
would
be
outside
of
their
backyard
fence
and
there
would
be
trees
and
grass
provided
there.
The
maple
grove
one.
J
J
J
As
you
can
see
here,
it
has
larger
minimum
lot
sizes
than
we
are
proposing.
It
has
130
feet,
depth
and
an
80
foot
width,
so
we
would
request
a
variance
to
that
part
of
the
code.
J
If
that
first
option
is
not
something
that
will
work,
our
second
preferred
option
would
be
that
those
are
still
in
easements.
But
we
would
consider
moving
the
fence
to
the
back
of
the
easement
along
maple
grove
to
provide
a
better
pedestrian
experience
along
maple
grove.
But
we
would
have
only
the
rock
and
mol,
the
rock
mulch
and
boulders
that
b
and
z
requested
along
maple
grove
just
to
eliminate
the
land.
The
maintenance
on
this.
J
J
The
last
option-
that
is
what
pnz
has
requested,
but
is
our
non-preferred
option,
would
be
to
have
these
in
common
lots
again.
The
cost
associated
with
that
is
it's
just
a
burden
for
these.
These
owners
that
are
trying
to
you
know
maintain
their
lots
and
the
additional
cost
is
a
hindrance
to
that.
J
K
Thanks
abby
one
question
on
option:
three
versus
the
other
two
options
is,
you
know,
I
understand
option
three
is
a
little
more
expensive
because
it
will
require
an
hoa
and
will
require
some
amount
of
dues
to
support
the
maintenance
of
the
buffer.
K
But
presumably
if
the
landowners
are
maintaining
those
spaces,
privately
they're
still
incurring
a
cost
to
maintain
them
is
have
you
done
any
work
to
figure
out
what
that
cost
would
be,
because
it's
not
really
the
difference
between
zero
and
a
hundred
dollars.
It's
the
difference
between
whatever
it
costs
them
to
maintain
it
privately
versus
whatever
it
costs
them
to
maintain
it
through
an
hoa.
J
Yeah,
that
is
correct.
It
wouldn't
be
a
zero
maintenance
option,
but
for
our
preferred
option
it
would.
It
would
be
like
they're,
maintaining
just
a
little
more
yard
area
and
we
don't.
I
don't-
have
an
exact
cost
for
you,
but
it
would
be
minimal
compared
to
having
to
pay
an
hoa.
You
know,
accounting
and
all
that
additional
that
comes
with
having
that
property
management,
company
yeah.
J
Yeah,
I
guess
I
don't
know
that
the
exact
answer
for
that
it
would
just
be
reserved
on
the
plot
as
a
landscape
easement.
So
as
far
as
I
know,
nothing,
no
one
would
hold
it
for
to
say,
but
it
would
be
reserved
for
that
lot
and
limited
to
only
landscaping
in
that
area.
G
Mayor
yep,
thank
you
so
much
abby,
I'm
too
grappling
with
the
cost
associated
with
maintaining
these
common
lots.
Is
it
required
that
an
hoa
hire
a
professional
company
to
maintain
those,
or
could
the
residents
as
members
of
the
hoa
pool
their
labor
labor
resources
and
take
care
of
those
collectively.
J
It
would
not
be
required
that
there
is
a
property
management
company,
but
typically
with
this
few
number
of
of
lots,
getting
an
hoa
up
and
running
and
maintained,
we
just
figured
that's
an
additional
burden
on
on
these
affordable
houses,
and
you
know
getting
asking
that
of
such
a
small
group
is
why
the
property
management
company
would
be
brought
in
kathy
vendrick,
I
think,
is
on
this.
J
She
is
with
autumn
gold
senior
services
and
she
might
have
a
better
answer
for
you
on
that.
If,
if
she
gets
a
chance
to
answer
that.
L
I
am
on
here,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me
yep
we
can
okay,
so
I
think
that
the
complication
with
not
having
a
hoa
a
management
company
manage
that
hoa
is
that
you're
then
relying
on
nine
houses
to
try
that
have
never
even
been
homeowners
to
try
and
figure
out
how
to
manage
an
hoa
make
sure
they
pay
the
taxes.
The
utilities
get
the
maintenance
done.
I
mean
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
than
just
they
have
to
file
taxes
for
it.
L
They
have
to
do
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think
would
probably
be
outside
of
what
then
I
wouldn't
say:
they're
not
capable,
but
they
probably
don't,
have
the
experience
to
do
that,
and
I
think
it
would
be
asking
a
lot
for
new
homeowners,
especially
of
just
nine
houses,
to
figure
that
out.
It's
not
typical
for
homeowners
to
manage
their
own
hoa.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
so
I
guess
follow
up
on
that.
I
guess
you
say
it's
not
typical,
but
in
fact
I
know
a
lot
of
hoas
that
are
30
or
40
years
old,
who
are
very,
very
typical,
and
it
seems
like
there's
a
really
to
me,
a
really
easy
fix
that
the
homeowners
who
are
adjacent
to
this
property
mow
it
along
with
their
other
yard,
as
well
as
water.
C
It
in
return
for
something
you
know
whatever
that's
worth
over
the
year
from
the
rest
of
the
residents
and
it
would
be
pretty
minimal.
I
would
guess,
but
so
anyway,
I
think,
there's
a
solution
here,
short
of
not
having
common
lots
and
short
of
spending
having
each
homeowner
spend
twelve
hundred
dollars
a
year
that
that
that
sounds
like
an
awful
lot
of
money
to
me
for
a
very
small
amount
of
land.
To
maintain.
C
I
have
a
question,
though,
beyond
that
you,
you
are
showing
an
attached
sidewalk
on
corey
lane
and
wondering
why
you
chose
to
attach
that
one
of
those
solutions
to
this
the
homeowners
would
still
have
to
maintain
it,
which
is
what
I
do
with
the
parking
strip
in
front
of
my
house,
but
that
you
detach
the
sidewalk
and
put
the
trees
in
the
grass
on
the
street
edge
where
it
protects
the
people
walking
on
it,
makes
it
a
much
more
pleasant
place
to
be.
J
So
another
issue
with
the
sidewalk
being
detached
is
that
there's
existing
attached
sidewalk
on
both
sides
of
this
property,
there's
a
little
bit
here
at
the
corey
lane
in
maple
grove
corner
and
then
right
next
to
our
property
is
also
attached.
So
it
would
be
a
little
it
would
we'd
have
to
jog
it
out
just
for
our
single
property
and
it
wouldn't
really
go
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
that
has
the
attached
sidewalk
along
that
street.
A
All
right
is
there
anybody
here
from
the
public
to
testify
on
this
one.
J
Yeah,
I
just
had
one
more
thing
on
so,
even
if
that
we
have
the
the
common
lots
and
have
the
homeowners
maintain
it
and
not
have
a
property
management
company,
there's
still
the
issue
that
an
hoa
needs
to
be
formed
to
own
these
and
pay
the
utilities
and
pay
the
taxes
and
all
of
those
things.
So
it
is
the
maintenance
cost.
That
is
an
issue
and
it's
also
the
ownership.
That
is
the
other
issue
with
the
common
lots.
A
C
Madam
mayor,
one
more
question:
if
we
were
going
to
go
to
the
homeowner
owned
buffer
areas
on
an
easement,
what's
the
requirement
for
the
shy
distance
from
whatever
fence
is
built
from
the
sidewalk,
and
I
asked
that
because
I
see
an
awful
lot
of
attached
sidewalks
around
town
that
then
have
a
fence
right
on
the
back
of
them,
and
so
your
effective
width
of
that
sidewalk
ends
up
being
about
three
and
a
half
feet
and
on
a
road
like
maple
grove.
That
would
be
extremely
uncomfortable
and
unsafe.
I
Madam
mayor
council
member
clark,
there
is
actually
a
section
of
code
that
I
have
up
here.
If
matt,
we
could
take
a
look
at
it,
real,
quick
that
speaks
to
those
dimensions
of
where
the
the
fencing
should
be
in
relationship
to
the
sidewalk.
So
if
you
look
at
item
four
there
and
4b
a
minimum
of
five
feet
from
the
back
of
attached,
sidewalks
and
then
the
other
measurement,
there
is
d,
so
15
feet
from
back
of
curve,
so
kind
of
taking
those
both
into
consideration.
C
Madame
here
I'll
try
a
motion
here,
I
would
move
that
we
approve
the
workload
subdivision,
suv,
21-16
preliminary
and
final
plat
at
9009
west
corey
lane
with
a
change
in
the
condition
that
there
be
an
hoa
and
common
lots
in
that
we
allow
those
to
be
in
easements
to
be
maintained
by
the
adjacent
homeowner.
As.
E
D
K
C
It
does
seem,
I
think,
unnecessary,
to
create
an
hoa
for
nine
lots
just
so
that
they
can
maintain
about
100
square
feet
of
landscaping,
and
yet
I
often
see
when
these
are
put
in
easement
that
the
homeowner
takes
over
that
easement
for
their
own
use.
If
it
is
truly
an
easement,
then
it
should
be
available
as
an
easement
and
so
the
perimeter
landscape
buffer
conditions
that
are
presented
here,
I
think,
provide
for
that.
K
Does
that
include
the
location.
K
The
goal
here
is
affordability,
but
if
we're
going
to
do
away
with
common
lots
and
do
away
with
any
sort
of
formalized
way
of
structuring
and
guaranteeing
their
maintenance
in
perpetuity
and
instead
give
that
space
to
the
neighbor
in
their
yard
and
rely
on
them
to
maintain
it,
really,
I
think
what
we'd
be
saying
is
the
buffer
is
optional,
that
over
time
the
property
owner
can
manage
it,
how
they
see
fit
and
they
can
choose
to
maintain
the
buffer
or
they
cannot,
because
there's,
no
formal
structure
there
to
ensure
you
know
in
perpetuity
it's
it's
maintained.
K
So
the
tension
that
I
had
in
my
mind
is
how
to
make
this
affordable
to
the
property
owners,
while
also
not
kind
of
doing
what
would
amount
to
a
wink
and
a
nod
at
the
buffer
requirement
by
just
putting
it
on
the
honor
system,
and
I
think
the
council
president's
motion
does
that
so
I'll
vote
for
it.
A
Other
comments
all
right
well
before
vote.
I'll,
just
say
that
to
highlight
this:
the
autumn
gold
subdivision
that
was
highlighted
today
by
our
housing
team
as
an
affordability
proposal.
D
Madam
mayor,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
being
mindful
and
offering
those
options.
It
didn't
take
into
consideration
that
folks
are
endeavoring
to
be
homeowners
for
the
first
time
and
that
we're
wanting
to
set
them
up
for
success.
And
so
thank
you
for
the
motion.
Council
president
and
thank
you
stuff.
A
E
A
All
right
next
up,
we
have
an
appeal,
and
so
I
imagine
all
of
you
are
here
for
that.
I've
got
a
list
of
people
that
are
here
to
testify.
Is
the
original
applicant
here
in
the
building,
okay,
great
and
then
the
appellant.
Is
that
you,
I
don't
mean
sorry
to
point,
and
then
I
imagine
that
there
are
also
some
folks
on
zoom.
A
I
hear
that
there
are
quite
a
few,
so
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we'll
go
through
the
procedures,
but
before
we
go
into
it,
two
people
signed
up
this
evening
that
are
not
parties
of
record
according
to
our
records,
and
so,
if
you
disagree,
I'd
ask
that
you
use
this
time
to
show
us
where
you
testify
before,
because
as
an
in
an
appeal,
only
people
that
testified
in
the
first
hearing
at
planning
and
zoning
are
allowed
to
testify
at
the
city
council
hearing
and
those
two
folks
that
signed
up
that
we
don't
have
in
our
list
of
parties
of
record,
are
holly
leonard
steven
leonard
is
an
official
party
of
record
okay,
holly
leonard
and
then
janelle,
martin
janelle.
A
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you,
and
so
just
wanted.
You
to
know
before
we
got
started
and
that
there's
that
technical
issue
and
then
for
those
we
haven't
checked
for
those
of
you
that
are
online
because
we
haven't
asked
you
to
raise
your
hand.
Yet
we
haven't
checked
to
see
if
you're
a
party
of
records.
So
as
you
raise
your
hand
when
we
moved
the
online
people,
excuse
me
people
wanting
to
testify
online.
A
H
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council.
This
item
is
an
appeal
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
approval
of
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
270
unit,
multi-family
development.
The
project
is
addressed
at
2454
east
gowan
road
which,
as
you
can
see
here,
is
located
just
northeast
of
the
federal
way
and
gallon
intersection.
A
regional
activity
center,
the
11,
roughly
11,
acre
site
is
a
combination
of
zoning.
It's
primarily
c4
planned
commercial
and
then
the
remainder
is
r2
or
medium
density,
residential,
both
with
design
review.
H
The
item
was
heard
and
unanimously
approved
by
the
planning
planning
commission
in
april,
as
as
detailed
in
the
packet.
A
multi-family
residential
development
is
certainly
supported
by
the
comprehensive
plan
it's
compatible
with
the
mix
of
uses
in
the
area
that
includes
adjacent
multi-family,
residential
development
and
commercial
uses.
H
However,
as
you
can
see,
and
again,
the
decision
has
has
been
appealed,
which
is
why
we're
here
this
evening,
the
appeal
focused
on
things
you
often
hear
with
projects
like
this
traffic
circulation,
height
and
parking
as
it
relates
to
height.
The
commission's
approval
did
allow
for
a
slight
increase.
H
H
As
you
can
see
in
the
memoranda,
the
appellant
provided
a
general
objection
to
the
height,
but
didn't
did
not
appear
to
identify
how
this
relatively
minor
increase
in
height
was
an
error.
They
also
didn't
identify,
didn't
appear
to
identify
how
other
properties
would
be
negatively
impacted
by
this
very
minor
increase
in
height
as
it
relates
to
parking.
The
applicant
is
proposing
roughly
450
spaces,
where
344
are
required
from
a
staff
perspective.
If
anything,
we
believe
it
might
make
sense
to
provide
less
parking
and
more
housing
on
a
site
like
this.
H
H
H
This
drive
historically
provided
relatively
uninhibited
access
to
and
from
that
adjacent
commercial
shopping
center.
We
certainly
acknowledge
that
development
of
this
property
is
going
to
slow
access
through
the
site.
Drivers
that
could
previously
travel
through
here
essentially
unrestricted
will
be
inconvenienced.
H
That
alone
is
not
an
error.
The
primary
purpose
of
this
11
acre
site
was
certainly
not
simply
to
function
as
a
service
drive,
it
was
always
going
to
be
developed
and
cross
access
will
be
retained.
With
with
this
project,
I
would
also
note
that
the
traffic
generated
from
this
project
will
be
far
less
than
other
commercial
uses
that
could
could
occupy
the
site.
H
That
being
said,
the
applicant
does
have
some
work
to
do
through
the
design
review
process.
It'll
be
important
that
we
look
at
how
how
that
cross-access
drive
is
treated.
We
need
to
look
at
things
like
changes
in
materials,
colors
and
paving
and
signage.
All
of
these
combine
to
make
sure
that
residents
of
the
project
and
those
traversing
the
site
to
the
shopping
center
remain
safe.
H
H
As
a
result,
we
don't
see
where
there's
been
an
error
identified
in
this
regard,
so
with
that,
we
believe
the
commission
commission's
decision
was
based
on
the
evidence
in
the
record
that
included
testimony
by
the
appellants
and
other
neighbors
and
so
absent
any
error.
We
are
recommending
denial
of
the
appeal
this
evening.
Thank
you.
G
K
Yeah
cody
in
this
image
you
have
up
on
the
screen.
There
is
access
from
the
parking
lot
of
the
commercial
area
onto
gowan
road
eastbound.
It
I
think,
I'm
I'm
looking
at
that.
Little
light,
gray,
lower
left
corner
right
there
yeah
it
looks
like
that's
where
you
know
cars
would
exit,
and
then
industry
is.
That
is
that
it's
not
the
subject
property
here,
but
is
that
going
to
be
maintained?
Is
it
still
going
to
be
there?
Vehicles
can
still
exit
the
commercial
center
through
there.
H
K
There
are
plenty
of
ways
to
get
into
the
shopping
center
and
then
I
wish
we
could
zoom
out
on
this
picture.
That's
okay!
Oh
thank
you,
as
proposed.
The
only
ways
out
are
through
the
proposed
neighborhood
or
to
the
to
the
east
or
back
out
kind
of
across
the
parking
lots
to
the
west.
Is
that
right.
H
Madam
mayor
council,
member
of
agent,
you
can
go
through
the
project
out
to
the
controlled
intersection
here.
You
also
have,
as
it
relates
to
the
shopping
center,
there's
an
access
point
here
and
then
an
additional
access
here,
a
controlled
intersection
with
the
light
and
then
access
to
that
here
through
the
through
the
shopping
center.
E
M
Cody,
thank
you.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
saw
was
that
there,
the
appellant
didn't
feel
like
the
traffic
impacts
were
adequately
reviewed
by
the
commission
and
it
looks
like
there
was
a
study
that
was
done
by
itd.
It
looks
like
there
wasn't
a
study
that
was
done
by
achd.
M
H
H
However,
the
the
traffic
counts
themselves
for
residential
use
and
I
get
the
numbers
are
significantly
lower
than
would
be
of
a
you
know
that
they're
less
for
the
residential
use
than
a
commercial
use
that
could
be
developed
on
the
property.
We
do
still
have
that
additional
stock
gap,
where
the
project
still
requires
a
design
review.
So
if,
if
achd
wanted
to
place
additional
conditions
on
the
project,
they
certainly
could
do
so.
C
Vladimir
yep,
thank
you
cody.
I
know
that
this
frontage
drive
is
well
used
today.
My
question
is
this:
would
we
typically
allow
front-end
parking
on
a
roadway
that
is
traveled
or
would
we
require
either
diagonal
or
parallel
parking
on
that
kind
of
a
roadway.
H
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
clay,
there's
nothing,
nothing
prohibits
it
in
code,
but
certainly
given
the
traffic
that
that
crosses
this
site
and
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
that's
something
we
could
still
still
work
through.
They
are,
as
I
rattled
off
the
numbers
significantly
over
parked.
So
a
change
to
diagonal
parking
of
some
kind
can
certainly
be
accommodated
and
still
meet
the
parking
requirements
for
the
for
the
development.
N
H
Madam
mayor
council
member
thompson,
the
commercial
just
finding
that
finding
the
numbers
here,
the
commercial
development
that
was
approved
there
back
in
95,
looks
like
was
86
000
square
feet
which
would
generate
about
280
trips
per
hour.
The
residential
project.
At
the
density
that
was
approved
by
the
commission,
the
270
units
is
only
168
trips
per
hour,
so
significantly
less.
H
Obviously,
if,
if
this
were
to
come
back
at
a
higher
density,
we
would
certainly
increase
the
trip
trip
count,
but
nowhere
near
that
commercial
rate-
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note-
you
know
that
in
terms
of
multi-family
residential
development,
placing
it
almost
across
the
street
from
a
major
employer
and
next
to
a
grocery
store,
there's
certainly
an
opportunity
for
for
some
trip
capture,
and
that
was
noted
by
the
commission.
In
approving
this.
M
Madam
mayor,
I
did
have
one
more
question
for
staff,
so
in
the
in
the
commission
meeting.
I
think
that
the
height
did
come
up
and
they
did
talk
about
it
a
little
bit
and
from
what
I
read
and
then
from
the
presentation.
It
looks
like
three
to
five
feet
is
sort
of
the
variance,
so
it's
a
little
bit
higher
in
some
areas,
but
not
all,
and
when
they
were
talking
when
they
were
addressing
the
compatibility.
M
The
discussion
at
the
commission
was
that
not
only
is
that
height
not
significant
and
not
a
lot
of
buildings,
but
because
the
setbacks
were
further
in
it
had
less
of
a
height
effect
than
if
the
setbacks
were
closer
to
the
road.
Is
it
am.
I
understanding
that
that
conversation
that
that's
how
the
conversation
for
compatibility
went.
H
Madam
mayor
council,
council
member
holly
burton
yeah,
I
think
that's
an
accurate
summary.
The
discussion,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
the
the
portions
in
red
are
those
portions
minor
portions
of
the
building
that
exceed
the
height
and
then,
if
we
translate
that
to
the
to
the
site,
you'll
see
we
have
the
the
buildings
the
larger
buildings
significantly
set
back
from
the
perimeter
and
then
that
adjoining
property,
it's
across
the
parking
lot
beyond
a
series
of
carports
from
what
is
ultimately
the
residential
structures.
M
So,
madam
mayor,
just
quick,
follow
up,
so
I
guess
on
that
kind
of
north
west
spot,
where
the
arrows
are
pointing
at
those
blue
buildings.
Those
don't
necessarily
have
a
significant
setback
from
the
property
line,
but
have
a
set
back
with
the
extra
buffer
from
the
parking
lot
from
where
the
residents
would
live.
On
the
other
side,
from
where
the
actual
housing
is.
H
A
All
right,
it
looks
like
that's
it
for
now
and
we'll
have
the
appellants.
Is
it
the
appellants?
Next
rob
yeah?
Okay,
we'll
have
the
appellants
up
now
I
see
three
listed
here:
steven
leonard
david
becker
and
anthony
fandina
all
right,
so
the
three
of
you
are
combining
your
time,
I'm
great
all
right.
So
before
we
get
started,
I
noticed
that
jordan
morales
signed
up
in
advance
to
be
online,
but
jordan.
A
We
don't
have
you
listed
as
a
party
of
record
and
if
you'll,
just
let
the
clerk
know,
if,
if
you
are
on
there
that,
if
you
think
differently,
just
let
the
clerk
know
via
chat
if
that's
possible,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
that
advanced
warning
thanks
for
joining
us,
okay
and
with
that
come
on
up,
so
the
timer
will
start
and
then
I'll
leave
it
to
the
three
of
you
to
figure
out
how
you're
doing
your
thing
in
the
10
minutes.
You've
got
welcome.
O
Thank
you,
mayor,
mclean
and
council
members.
If
I
one
quick
diversion
the
the
question
that
council
member
badge
and
asked
that
little
road
that
was
down
in
the
lower
left-hand
corner
at
this
at
present
is
a
one-way
entrance,
it's
not
an
exit.
It's
a
it's!
A
deceleration
lane
off
highway,
21
and
traffic
comes
in
there.
A
O
I
just
want
to
emphasize
two
critical
points
ahead
of
time,
which
somewhat
contrast
with
with
the
presentation
that
that
we've
just
heard
while
itd
did
approve
the
overall
project
and
achd.
Presumably
will
the
studies
that
were
done
did
not
take
into
account
the
inevitable
chaos
that
would
ensue
if
that
access
road
were
significantly
impeded
or
closed
off
the
the
entire
columbia
village
community
has
become
dependent
on
it,
as
have
many,
many
residents
of
surprise
valley,
and
even
people
off
warm
springs.
O
The
community
would
be
would
have
been
much
better
served
by
the
commercial
development
shops,
restaurants
for
which
the
property
was
originally
zoned
and
intended
at
the
time
that
the
the
district
was
laid
out.
More
high
density
rental
housing
will,
as
it
does
everywhere,
and
as
the
existing
apartments
already
have
lead
to
more
crime
and
congestion.
O
It's
heartbreaking
to
see
what
out
of
control
housing
is
doing
to
boise
out
of
control
development.
I
grew
up
in
new
york
city
and
knew
I
never
wanted
to
live
like
that
fell
in
love
with
denver
in
the
1960s.
As
a
teenager
watched
it
develop,
get
crowded,
get
congested
and
become
more
like
new
york,
as
a
young
adult
I
settled
in
phoenix
and
watched
development
turn
it
from
a
sparkling
friendly
and
wonderfully
livable
city
to
another
congested,
polluted
crime
and
traffic
plague
metropolis.
O
O
P
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
boise
city
council,
thank
you
for
letting
me
present
this
today.
My
name
is
david
becker
and
I'm
a
resident
of
6250
south
basalt
trail,
and
I
live
in
columbia,
village,
I'm
also
the
owner
of
cafe
capri,
which
is
at
2242
east
galwan
road,
which
is
in
the
columbia
marketplace.
P
I
want
to.
I
first
attended
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting
on
april
12th,
and
I
had
only
one
topic
I
wish
to
address
when
I
did
that.
But
since
then
I
feel
that
I
need
to
address
a
couple
of
other
things
as
well.
P
I
have
three
topics
that
I
like
to
do
topic
number
one
is
the
use
of
the
current
access
road,
which
is
my
primary
concern
that
I
intended
for
because
I'm
actually
all
for
the
subdivision
or
this
apartment.
Complex
next
is
the
height
restrictions,
and
the
third
topic
is
the
direction
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
gave
the
applicant
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
topic.
Number
one
is
the
current
access
road.
P
We
understand
the
possibility
of
short-term
closures
during
the
actual
construction
of
the
road,
but
to
reduce
the
impact
to
the
community
and
to
limit
the
impact
to
our
businesses.
We
ask
that
you
direct
the
applicant
to
close
those
roads
at
the
shortest
possible
times,
so
that
it's
not
closed
during
the
entire
session
construction.
P
The
applicant
presented
multiple
times
during
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
meeting
that
they
plan
to
take
actions
to
impede
and
discourage
the
use
of
the
access
road
which
has
been
used
by
the
public
for
approximately
21
years.
I
have
lived
there
for
21
years
and
it's
been
there.
They
mentioned
that
six
times
in
their.
P
I
think
10
minute
conversation
that
they
plan
to
impede,
and
I
forget
what
the
other
other
word
was
off
top
of
my
head,
but
anyway
they
wanted
to
impede
that
so
that
to
reduce
the
traffic
that
was
flowing
on
there.
P
Here's
my
argument-
and
I
think
I
have
a
way
to
advance
this.
Yes,
on
this
slide
that
you're
seeing
in
front
of
you,
this
shows
an
aerial
view
of
the
columbia
marketplace,
as
you
can
see
that
there
are
currently
three
points
highlighted
in
green
and
those
all
provide
two-way
unrestricted
access
into
and
out
of
the
complex.
P
There
are
two
points
that
are
highlighted
in
red
and
one
of
them
provides
only
entry,
and
that
is
the
one
that
was
mentioned
by
councilman
patrick
pageant
earlier
today.
The
other
one
is
access,
limited
in
green
provides.
Only
right,
turn
excuse
me
red,
which
is
entry
number
four,
and
that
provides
only
right
turn
access
into
it
and
right
turn
access
out
of
it.
P
First,
I
want
to
address
the
unrestricted
access
entry
number.
One
is
the
main
entrance
to
federal
way.
Entry
number
two
is
the
entry
off
of
lake
forest
boulevard
and
that
actually
does
provide
easy
access
to
turn
left
and
right,
but
it
in
order
to
get
to
that.
The
really
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
pass
through
the
front
of
the
shopping
complex,
and
it
is
also
used
as
the
exit
point
or
one
of
the
access
points
for
the
apartment
complex.
That's
behind
the
albertson
shopping
center.
P
P
In
fact,
in
many
cases
I
was
actually
was
down
there
watching
it
the
other
day,
and
there
was
a
huge
tractor
trailer
that
went
through
there
and
had
no
idea
that
he
couldn't
turn
left
and
then
he
had
to
back
up
and
then
go
another
route
to
get
out
of
there.
So
it
does
cause
some
problems
from
time
to
time.
Entry
number
five
is
idaho:
highway
21
entry.
This
is
an
entry
only
and
allows
access
from
westbound
vehicles
on
idaho
21
to
enter
the
complex.
P
My
next
slide
here
is
a
unofficial
traffic
survey
that
I
conducted
from
527
to
531,
there's
no
specific
rhyme
or
reasoning
on
the
dates
or
the
times.
I
was
just
available
at
that
time
and
I
tried
to
do
an
hour
at
each
one
of
these
to
do
it
to
provide
some
evidence
to
you,
as
you
can
see
the
per
the
peak
traffic
flows.
If
you
could
see
this
chart,
I
realize
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
eye
chart.
The
minimum
vehicles
per
hour
was
127
up
to
305
vehicles
per
hour.
P
Large
vehicles
that
traversed
there
through
that
time
frame
was
7
to
22
vehicles
per
hour.
This
includes
a
large
fuel
truck
also
carrying
a
tanker
that
goes
through
there,
and
I
actually
talked
with
that
truck
driver
and
he
said
it
would
actually
be
very
unsafe
for
him
to
go
other
places.
I
also
talked
with
a
hayden
beverage
driver
and
a
pepsi
truck
driver
and
they
all
said
the
same
thing.
They
could
maneuver
other
ways
but
would
be
unsafe
for
them
to
go
through
the
main
entrance
or
through
entry
number.
P
Two,
let's
see
where
are
we
at
the
overall
average
was
peak,
was
235
vehicles
per
hour.
The
vehicles
per
minute
was
3.9
vehicles
per
minute,
and
the
large
vehicle
access
on
the
average
was
15
vehicles
for
per
per
minute.
P
Let's
see
slide
number
three:
this
represents
photos
of
the
main
entrance.
This
happens
to
be
right
at
galwan
road
and
there
is
no
traffic
lights
that
controls
this.
If
you're,
looking
at
the
two
pictures
on
the
left,
this
is
the
main
entrance
exit
and
entry.
P
This
is
actually
depicting
the
traffic
congestion
that
occurs
there
now,
even
with
with
that
access
road
being
opened
and
having
full
access
to
it.
The
picture
that
you
see
on
the
right
hand,
side.
P
Near
the
sinclair
glass
station
and
from
those
businesses
off
to
the
right
of
that
and
as
you
can
see,
there
is
a
line
that
little
arrow
is
actually
way
in
the
back
over
next
to
a
tree
next
to
the
at
that
exit.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
much
congestion
is
right.
There
right.
A
P
Combined
together,
yeah,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
understand
slide
number
four.
This
just
represents
the.
If
you
had
to
travel
to
entry
number
two,
there
are
three
crosswalks
that
are
there
already
and,
as
you
know,
those
crosswalks
are
heavily
used
and
if
we
had
to
divert
some
of
that
traffic
over
there
to
entry
number
two,
that
could
cause
some
congestion
problems,
and
we
also
know
that
people-
don't
you
know,
adhere
to
those
crosswalks
very
well.
P
All
right
and
my
proposal
is
that
we
instruct
the
applicant
to
limit
their
road
closures
during
the
construction
to
help
the
ease
of
the
traffic.
We
ask
that
they
reduce
the
planned
parking
by
about
50
percent
on
that
traffic
road
or
on
that
access
road.
We
also
ask
them
to
angle
the
parking
spaces
at
45
degrees
in
the
direction
of
the
traffic
so
that
they
can
easily
get
in
and
out
without
impeding
the
traffic.
P
We
also
ask
that
you
add
a
bicycle
lanes
to
both
sides
on
the
adjoining
road
grand
force
on
both
sides
of
the
road
there's
bicycle
lanes,
and
actually
I
was
quite
surprised
when
I
did
the
survey
the
number
of
via
bicycles
that
use
it
and
because
I'm
short
on
time,
the
height
restrictions
is
the
my
only
concern
is,
is
c4d
and
I'm
not
a
professional
at
these
zoning
laws
or
anything
like
that,
but
it
appears
that
the
c4d
is
zoned
at
45
feet
rather
than
35
feet
and
all
we're
saying
is
basically,
if
you're
putting
commercial
in
there,
it's
45
feet
if
you're
putting
residential
property
in
there.
P
Maybe
it
needs
to
be
rezoned
to
r2,
which
is
35
feet
and
that's
what
should
be
applied
as
the
standard.
If
there's
different
rules
for
that,
I'm
just
not
aware
of
them
and
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
30.
M
Hey
man,
mary,
just
real,
quick,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
do
your
own
traffic
studies.
It
seems,
like
you've
spent
a
lot
of
time
doing
that
so
I've
done
done
those
before
for
bicycles,
and
I
know
the
effort
that
takes
so.
I
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
you
also
bringing
potential
solutions
to
the
table.
Q
Q
Q
If
boats,
trailers
rvs
aren't
going
to
be
going
that
way,
they're
going
to
be
crossing
an
intersection
without
a
light.
I
just
see
it.
I
see
an
accident
every
weekend.
Q
I
think
there's
a
better
way
to
do
it.
I
I'm
again,
I'm
not
an
expert,
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it,
but
I
think
getting
rid
of
that
road
and
and
limiting
the
the
traffic
flow,
especially
with
tractor
trailers,
is
gonna,
be
horrible,
and
what
is
the
future
going
to
be
if
people
are
not
going
to
go
to
our
shopping
center,
because
it's
too
hard
to
get
out
of
is
that
going
to
affect
our
business.
G
Madam,
madam
mayor,
I
think
that
this
is
probably
a
question
for
cody.
Actually,
so
I
understand
that
this
thoroughfare
over
this
piece
of
property
is
often
used,
who
owns
it
and
who
maintains
it
currently?
Is
it
in
a
public
easement?
Is
it
a
public
right-of-way
or
is
it
just
an
informal
access.
H
Madam
mayor
council,
member
woodings,
it's
it's
on
private
property.
It's
on
the
applicants
on
the
subject.
Property.
There
is
a
cross.
There
is
a
recorded
easement
across
this
to
the
sorry
that
requires
that
access
to
to
be
maintained,
but
it
is
on
the
applicant's
property,
but.
A
R
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
city
council,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
for
us
to
share
our
plans
for
what
we
are
calling
the
canyon
ridge
apartments
that
was
unanimously
approved
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
on
april
12th.
R
This
slide
shows
the
vicinity
of
where
the
subject
property
is
located.
The
subject
property
is
identified
by
the
blue
cloud
there
and
the
green
arrows
show
the
two
access
points
or
the
two
closest
access
points
to
micron
facilities,
the
star
in
the
intersection
of
federal
way
and
gallon
annotates,
the
regional
activity
center
and
the
red
line
shows
the
proximity
of
I-84.
R
The
plans
that
we
have
for
this
property,
as
was
mentioned,
is
a
270
unit
complex
with
the
amenities
of
many
different
building
types,
a
clubhouse
pool,
hot
tub
dog
park,
playgrounds
for
the
children
and
amazing
views
of
lucky
peak
the
boise
front,
as
well
as
looking
to
the
hawaiis
to
the
south.
But
what
really
inspires
me
is
this
is
an
opportunity
to
make
an
infill
property
productive,
something
that
has
sat
vacant
for
the
last
20
years,
waiting
for
an
opportunity
to
contribute
to
the
neighborhood.
R
R
So
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
unanimously
approved
this
project
on
april
12th.
The
boise
city
code
has
established
standards
of
review
for
an
appeal.
Those
include
the
decision
was
in
violation
of
state
code
or
city
laws.
The
decision
was
not
in
compliance
with
blueprint
boise.
The
decision
was
not
supported
by
substantial
evidence.
The
decision
was
made
upon
unlawful
procedure
or
the
decision
was
arbitrary,
capricious
or
an
abuse
of
discretion
that
was
made
without
rational
basis.
R
First
standard
decision
was
not
was
in
violation
of
state
or
city
city
or
state
laws.
The
subject
property
is
located
primarily
in
the
c4d
zone,
with
a
portion
located
in
the
r2d
zone.
The
intended
uses,
as
stated
in
the
boise
development
code
for
the
c4d
zone,
is
to
promote
imaginative,
innovative
and
comprehensively
planned
commercial
developments
medium
to
high-density
residential
projects
or
mixed-use
projects
in
predominantly
commercial
areas
are
also
encouraged.
R
The
next
standard
is,
the
decision
was
not
in
compliance
with
the
blueprint
boise
plan
per
the
staff
report
that
was
generated
for
the
11
april.
12
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing
several
city-wide
vision,
policies
and
community
structure
and
design
elements
were
implemented
into
the
submitted
plan
drawings.
R
At
the
april,
12
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing
materials
submitted
for
their
consideration,
included,
site
plans,
building,
elevations
floor
plans,
landscape
plans
and
they
received
public
testimony
both
for
and
against
the
project.
The
approval
rendered
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
was
made
in
consideration
of
substantial
evidence
that
was
submitted
on
behalf
of
the
application.
R
The
next
standard
is
that
the
decision
exceeds
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
statutory
authority
per
the
boise
city
code.
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
is
the
decision-making
authority
for
conditional
use,
permits
and
planned
unit
developments
over
two
acres
in
area
and
also
to
allow
variances
in
height
the
approval
rendered
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
on
april
12
2021
was
within
their
statutory
authority.
R
The
next
standard
is
that
the
decision
was
made
upon
unlawful
procedure.
Prior
to
the
april
12
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing
the
following
procedures
were
met.
There
was
a
pre-application
meeting
with
city
planning
staff.
There
was
a
neighborhood
meeting
with
all
land
owners
and
tenants
located
within
300
feet
of
the
subject
property.
A
complete
application
was
submitted
on
february
23rd
radius
notice
was
mailed
to
properties
within
300
feet.
On
march
26th
newspaper
notification
was
published
on
march
26th
and
notice
was
posted
on
the
property
on
march
26th.
R
At
the
april,
12
planning
and
zoning
commission
hearing
staff
presented
the
facts
associated
with
the
application.
The
commission
then
opened
a
public
hearing
and
received
testimony
associated
with
the
application.
The
commission
then
conducted
due
deliberations
upon
all
information
presented.
They
found
that
the
use
was
suitable
for
the
subject:
property
adhering
to
the
applicable
code
requirements
and
supported
by
the
blueprint
boise
plan.
R
The
above
reference
standards,
review
of
appeal,
represent
the
grounds
for
an
appeal
of
a
decision
that
was
rendered
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
upon
reviewing
those
standards.
The
city
council
must
determine
the
following.
If
an
error
is
found,
the
city
council
may
reverse
or
modify
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
R
If
no
error
is
found,
the
appeal
should
be
denied
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
decision
upheld
based
upon
the
facts
presented.
We
believe
there
was
not
an
error
in
the
approval
of
cup-0006
and
respectfully
request
that
this
appeal
be
denied
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
unanimous
decision
of
approval
be
upheld.
R
I
would
also
like
to
add
a
response
to
some
comments
that
the
appellants
made
with
regards
to
the
road.
It
is
on
our
property,
but
there
is
a
perpetual
easement
in
place
for
there
to
be
continual
access
from
the
shopping
center
to
grand
forest
boulevard.
R
R
We
would
like
to
incorporate
traffic
calming
measures
into
that
dry
vial
through
the
use
of
materials
and
painting
and
possibly
bulbs
to
reduce
pedestrian
crossing
well
to
heighten
the
awareness
of
pedestrian
crossings
and
reduce
the
length
that
they
have
to
get
across
the
dry
vial.
So
they
can
do
so
in
a
safer
manner.
So
with
that,
I
would
request
that
you
uphold
the
decision
that
was
rendered
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
deny
the
appeal,
and
I
would
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
N
Thank
you
for
that.
I
I've
heard
from
both
our
city
staff
and
from
the
appellant
one
particular
thing
from
both
was
the
parking,
and
I
was
wondering
what
your
thoughts
were
in
terms
of.
Why
so
much
parking
when
it
sounds
like
might
be
a
bit
much.
R
In
this
instance,
we
have
exceeded
the
minimum
parking
standard,
but
we've
tried
very
hard
to
distribute
the
parking
throughout
the
entire
property
in
close
proximity
to
the
various
buildings
that
are
on
the
property.
So
it's
we.
We
don't
feel
that
we've
over
parked
it
based
upon
the
need
and
the
layout
of
the
270
units
on
the
property.
N
A
M
So
just
question
about
the
the
road
going
through
there.
You
mentioned
that
a
new
road
would
be
constructed
with
the
alignment.
That
would
would
be
one
of
the
first
things
that
would
be
done,
and
that's
really
the
road
that
we're
seeing
on
the
image
here,
where
there's
it
would
be
going
through,
and
there
would
be
cars
that
would
be
parked
perpendicular
to
the
road
along
a
along
a
stretch.
That's
the
road
you're,
referring
to
there
correct.
C
Vladimir,
thank
you
good
to
see
you
brandon
question
about
the
road
you've
designed
this
much
like
a
service
drive
in
a
typical
development,
but
it
functions
much
differently
than
that.
What
other
design
did
you
look
at
when,
when
you
looked
at
how
to
how
to
do
this
particular
access.
R
Madam
mayor
council,
president
clegg
good
to
see
you
as
well,
we
looked
at
many
different
alignments
and
we
our
base
level
concern,
was
that
this
had
to
be
maintained
to
provide
the
access
from
the
grand
force
boulevard
into
the
shopping
center,
and
that's
not
only
for
the
residents
but
also
the
service
vehicles.
It
actually
needs
to
be
30
feet
wide
of
a
paved
surface,
so
it
will
actually
become
wider.
R
We
try
to.
I
do,
have
a
slide
at
the
tail
end
of
our
presentation.
That
shows
our
realignment
and
we
we
chose
this
because
it
actually
functions
much
better
than
the
current
alignment,
which
alliance
with
the
road
across
the
street,
of
which
you
would
typically
want
to
see.
But
the
apartment
complex
to
the
north
of
us
actually
uses
our
property
for
their
access
onto
grand
forest
boulevard.
R
So
we
are
actually
thought
that
combining
the
two
access
points
so
that
there's
one
access
point
would
help
it
function
better
and
also
give
a
longer
queue
length
to
the
light
on
gallon
road
or
highway
21..
So
those
were
the
the
elements
that
we
thought
that
might
help
this
function
better
and
we
incorporated
that
design
into
our
site
plan
follow-up.
C
Yep,
thank
you,
I'm.
I
am
quite
familiar
with
it.
Having
attended
any
number
of
soccer
and
baseball
games
at
this
location,
so
the
alignment,
I
think
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
the
alignment
itself
may
work
quite
a
lot
better
than
what
is
currently
there.
My
question
is
the
parking
on
the
drive
itself
and
the
front-end
parking
on
what
is
quite
a
busy
access
road
and
wondered
if
you
considered
angled
or
parallel
parking
as
I'm
counting
the
spaces.
R
R
How
many
parking
spaces
do
we
lose
and
to
talk
to
a
traffic
consultant
on
how
much
that
reduces
traffic
conflicts
as
well
as
parallel
or
yeah
parallel
parking
instead
of
perpendicular
and
see
if
we
can
find
a
good
balance
between
not
losing
too
many
parking
spaces,
but
creating
a
more
safe
environment
for
both
pedestrians
and
vehicular
vehicles,
using
that
that
road?
Thank.
C
You
two
more
questions.
If
I
might
the
question
on
the
height
variance,
as
I
understand
it,
the
only
places
you're
asking
for
any
variances
are
to
take
care
of
the
top
of
the
stairways
or
some
of
the
mechanical
features.
Is
that
correct?
It's
not
the
roof
itself.
R
Madam
mayor
council,
president
clegg
you're
exactly
right:
it's
only
the
elements
of
the
stairs
in
the
larger
building
and
the
elevator
shaft
and
the
smaller
buildings,
and
it
actually
helps
articulate
the
roof
form
a
touch,
so
it
adds
visual
interest
and
we
believe
it
actually
made
the
buildings
visually
more
appealing.
Thank.
C
C
Yes,
so
I
my
question
was
aimed
at
the
idea
that,
although
that's
only
a
six
foot
sidewalk,
it
looks
like
it'd,
be
relatively
easy
to
widen,
to
12
foot
and
make
a
multi-use
pathway
there
frankly
would
be
a
lot
safer
for
bicyclists
and
putting
them
on
the
service
lane.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
could
look
into,
but.
A
A
So
on
this
list
it
looks
as
though
I
don't
have
anybody
in
this
room
other
than
those
of
you
that
have
testified
or
signed
up
and
can't
testify
on
this
list.
So
instead
I'm
going
to
just
we're
going
to
ma'am
start
over.
If
are
you,
people
didn't
sign
up,
but
you're
here
to
speak.
Are
you
planning
on
speaking
this
evening
and
I'm
just
gonna,
give
you
a
chance
to
I'm
gonna,
ma'am,
hello,
you
and
the
white
shirt.
A
I
couldn't
tell
if
you
were
kidding
or
not.
Okay,
the
last
time
people
were
here
and
people
didn't
sign
up.
It
was
super
inefficient.
A
So
I'm
gonna
point
you
I'm
gonna
point
at
you
not
in
a
rude
way,
but
to
call
on
you
have
you
come
up
if
your
party
record
you'll
be
able
to
testify
and
then
I'll
point
to
the
next
person
and
we're
just
going
to
go
down
we're
pretty
much
going
to
go
I'll
row
by
row
like
this,
but
I've
just
got
to
make
sure
your
party
record,
because
I
don't
have
your
names
here
so
ma'am
are
you
were
you?
Are
you
party
of
record?
Were
you
planning
on
testifying.
A
A
All
right,
we
got
a
full
room
of
a
whole
bunch
of
spectators.
Great
all
right,
it's
great
to
have
you
all
here,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
go
then
to
the
to
the
clerk
here.
If
I'd
known
that,
I
actually
wouldn't
have
had
us,
take
a
break
either.
I
think
this
might
have
been
faster
than
I
expected.
I
was
thinking
we're
gonna
hear
from
all
of
you
for
three
minutes.
So
would
you
like
to
see
who's
online.
A
S
Rob
stark:
6865
east
warm
springs,
avenue
83716.
Madam
mayor
council
members.
I
am
not
opposed
to
multi-family
housing
being
built
at
this
location
and
agree
that
there
is
a
need
for
more
housing
in
boise.
I,
however,
believe
that
the
design
of
this
development
is
flawed
and
has
seriously
failed
to
account
for
the
amount
and
types
of
traffic
that
uses
the
easement
across
this
property.
S
The
tis
submitted
by
the
applicant
that
achd
has
said
was
flawed
not
just
once,
but
twice
failed
to
take
into
account
the
number
of
vehicles
using
this
easement
to
exit
the
shopping
center,
co-appellate
david
becker
on
may
25th
between
5
and
6
pm
counted
244
vehicles
using
this
easement
in
a
single
hour.
These
are
not
just
sedans
and
pickups,
but
also
vehicles,
towing,
boat,
snowmobile
and
travel
trailers,
as
well
as
semi
trucks,
making
deliveries
and
pickups
at
the
shopping
center.
S
S
One
of
the
criteria
in
blueprint,
boise
policy
cc
1.1
addresses
reducing
vehicle
miles
traveled.
If
the
applicant
is
successful
in
hazing
and
getting
the
traffic
to
exit
to
the
north
on
lake
forest,
to
wait
at
the
signal
to
make
a
left
under
federal
way,
southbound
and
then
waited
another
signal
to
make
another
left
onto
gallon
road
eastbound.
S
When
you
look
at
the
number
of
residents
and
vehicles
that
need
to
go
eastbound
on
gallon
from
the
shopping
center,
you
can
see
that
it
results
in
many
more
vehicle
miles,
traveled,
as
well
as
idle
time
of
the
signals.
This
would
make
the
development
non-compliant
with
blueprint
boise.
The
development
needs
to
be
redesigned
to
allow
the
continued
egress
from
the
shopping
center
without
going
right
through
the
middle
of
the
development.
A
Warning
very
well
timed,
mr
shark.
Thank
you
any
questions
for
rob
all
right.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
before
we
see,
if
there's
anybody
else,
there
was
anybody
from
southeast
neighborhood
association
on
zoom
this
evening.
B
A
T
I'm
so
sorry.
Well,
thank
you
city
council.
I
was
just
saying
that
I
learned
about
the
project
on
the
nextdoor
app.
Otherwise
I
would
have
been
unaware
and
when
I
signed
up
for
the
zoom
meeting
back
in
february,
I
wanted
to
listen
and
learn
more
about
the
project.
T
T
T
T
T
E
A
R
Madame
mayer,
members
of
the
city
council,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
the
comments
that
we
heard
today.
I
would
state
that
the
it
is
good
to
have
the
exchange
of
ideas.
We've
learned
about
the
concerns
that
the
neighbors
had
and
we'll
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
see
if
we
can
incorporate
some
of
these
ideas
and
designs
into
our
plans
as
we
move
forward
to
the
design
review
process
in
the
event
that
you
overturn
the
appeal
or.
R
R
R
With
regards
to
mrs
miss
helperman's
comments,
this
property
has
been
available
for
commercial
development
for
the
last
20
years
and
it
just
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
landowners
and
or
potential
tenants
to
move
forward
with
the
business
use
on
the
site,
and
so
we
think
that
the
next
best
use
is
this
multi-family
housing
project
we're
excited
for
it.
R
We
think
that
it
provides
a
lot
of
opportunity
on
the
east
side
of
town,
where
there's
currently
not
a
lot
of
multi-family
housing
projects
available
and
we're
at
this
state
today,
through
a
lot
of
collaboration
with
the
planning
and
department
planning
and
department
development
staff,
as
well
as
well
as
the
airport
staff.
R
This.
This
has
been
a
long
process.
There
were
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
a
very
complicated
application,
but
we're
very
proud
of
the
project
that
we're
proposing
before
you
today
and
respectfully
request
that
you
deny
the
appeal
and
uphold
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
decision
rendered
on
april
12th.
I
would
stand
for
any
questions
that
you
have
at
this
time.
R
K
One
thing
that
I've
been
looking
at
with
the
map
and
the
drawings
is
whether
there's
any
way
to
route
the
access
road,
essentially
outside
of
the
development
either
to
the
south
of
it
along
the
highway
or
not.
And
my
non-professional
read:
is
that
there's
no
way
to
do
that,
while
also
having
a
safe
intersection
with
grand
forest.
R
Right
we
have
looked
at
that
and
it
became
it
becomes
very
circuitous
and
it
then
it
becomes
very
consumptive
on
the
land
and
we
have
trouble
laying
out
the
buildings
and
having
a
circulation
pattern
for
them,
because
it
almost
acts
as
a
different
roadway
system.
So
we've
tried
to
incorporate
it
as
safely
as
we
can
into
the
site,
design
that
you
see
before
you
today
and
that
we're
moving
it
a
little
bit
to
the
north.
R
A
M
I
I
anticipate
the
roadway
being
the
discussion
on
a
lot
of
these
things,
just
because
it
does
seem
a
little
funky
to
have
a
roadway
going
through
a
multi-unit
complex.
I
appreciate
the
presentation
that
you
had
earlier,
where
you
really
kind
of
highlighted
the
discussion
and
the
way
that
we
have
the
ability
to
make
decisions.
As
far
as
the
conversations
that
went
on
with
planning
and
zoning
figure
out,
if
they
we
find
are,
are
finding
any
error
with
those
discussions.
M
I
guess
what
my
my
curiosity
is
is.
It
seems,
like
you're
kind
of
in
a
tough
spot
where
you've
got
an
easement
that
goes
through
there,
that
you
have
to
maintain
legally
you've
got
some
parking
that
that
probably
needs
to
go
on
there
to
maintain
the
parking
for
the
rest
of
it.
I
guess
I'm
curious
as
to
what
the
conversation
was
at
planning
and
zoning
as
far
as
that
roadway
goes
and
the
safety
concerns
and
what
what
you're
wanting
to
do
to
address
those
safety
concerns.
M
I
think
you've
talked
about
them
a
little
bit,
and
I
know
that
it's
probably
listed
in
in
the
minutes,
there's
like
272
pages,
but
I'm
curious
as
to
what
that
conversation
was
and
what
types
of
plans
there
are
to
mitigate
the
safety
concerns
of
running
a
roadway
through
the
neighborhood.
And
then,
if
you
could
also
just
touch
on,
is
the
realignment
and
some
of
those
things
designed
to
push
people
to
use
a
different
entryway.
Instead
of
directing
them
through
the
neighborhood.
R
Madam
mayor
member
halliburton,
during
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
discussion,
they
did
talk
about
safety
and
we
did
talk
about
parking
and,
if
knows
in,
would
be
the
the
safest
way
to
address
that,
and
we
said
that
we
have
an
obligation
to
maintain
access
through
the
property
on
this
drivel.
But
at
that
point
in
time,
how
can
we
best
make
use
of
this
property?
And
there
are
some
other
considerations
on
this
property
that
make
development
restrictive.
R
There
are
overhead
power
lines
that
we
have
to
stay
away
from,
so
that
dictates
where
the
building
placement
is,
there's
also
a
lot
of
basalt
underneath
the
rock
the
roadway
now,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
very
expensive
to
move
it
in
and
of
itself,
so
budgetary
control
constraints,
site
planning
constraints
really
reduced
the
amount
of
area
that
we
had
to
move
that
dry
aisle
in
and
keep
the
buildings
on
the
property.
R
So
I
think
that
the
discussion
points
that
we've
had
earlier
today,
looking
at
diagonal
parking
and
parallel
parking
to
make
safer,
ingress
and
egress
out
of
those
parking
stalls
is
going
to
be
our
biggest
bang
for
the
buck.
And
so
I
think
that
our
opportunity
now
is
before
we
submit
for
design
review
is
finding
out
of
those
three
scenarios
nose
in
diagonal
and
parallel,
which
is
the
safest
configuration
that
we
can
still
get
beneficial
use
of,
that
dry.
R
M
And
air,
just
quick
follow-up,
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
that
council
president
clegg
mentioned
was
just
examining
the
potential
expanding
width
of
the
pathway
with
itd
on
that
stretch
as
well,
and
so
just
to
kind
of
confirm.
As
far
as
what
your
your
view
is,
you
feel
like
this
discussion
was
had
at
planning
and
zoning.
These
ideas
are
being
explored
and
you
expect
to
explore
those
further
with
design
review.
R
R
Can
we
fit
anything
more
in
there
with
the
overhead
power
lines?
So
we've
really
have
a
lot
to
design
to
this
point
in
time
and
but
before
we
bring
it
back
before
design
review.
We
are
looking
at
what
is
the
safest
configuration
that
we
can
come
with,
but
still
be
meeting
the
parking
demand
that
we
think
is
there
as
miss
halpermann
talked
about.
R
Not
only
do
we
have
the
residents
of
the
apartments
to
think
about,
but
also
visitors
and
so
there's
just
it's
it's
a
it's
a
difficult
process
to
go
through
designing
all
of
the
building
locations,
unit
mix
parking
and
we're
trying
to
hit
it
so
that
it's
functional
that
we're
not
over
parking
but
yet
not
yet
under
parking.
We
don't
want
that
to
become
competitive
and
then
they're
parking
over
in
the
commercial
shopping
center
and
preventing
their
customers
from
having
a
nice
convenient
location
to
park.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
balancing
act.
C
Glad
mayor,
thank
you
so
first
question
at
the
northwest
corner
of
the
property
today,
there's
a
actual
little
parking
area
that
appears
to
be
used
by
the
existing
apartments,
you're
showing
actually
cutting
off
access
to
that,
and
I
wondered
what
your
thought
process
was
behind
that,
instead
of
letting
there
be
cross-access
between
the
two
different
developments.
R
Madam
mayor
president
clegg,
I
believe
that
that
was
a
location
for
a
trash
receptacle,
and
so
I
think
that
they
had
I
the
plan
for
a
trash
bin
to
be
collected
there,
and
then
the
trucks
would
have
access
to
pick
them
up.
I
don't
think
that
we
have
entertained
the
motion
to
have
cross
access
with
roundhouse
group
that
owns
that
property,
and
if
that
is
something
that
we
would
be
find
beneficial
for
all
parties,
I
think
we
can
reach
out
to
them.
C
Thank
you.
I
think
it
would
potentially
provide
a
different
way
for
people
to
exit
if
they
chose
to,
and
also
provide
an
easy
way
for
people
to
visit
between
the
two
complexes
back
to
the
the
dry
vial
itself,
the
actually
the
easement
into
the
columbia
marketplace
that
you're
also
designing
as
a
dry,
vile
and
as
you've
talked
about
traffic.
Calming
we've
had
a
couple
of
comments
on
that.
C
R
Madam
mayor
president
clegg,
yes,
that
is
exactly
correct.
We,
the
prescriptive
easement
for
the
the
dry
vial
to
go
through
the
property,
requires
it
to
be
maintained
and
accessible
at
all
times,
and
it
precludes
us
from
implementing
speed
bumps
to
slow
cars
down,
and
it
is
not
our
intent
to
push
people
up
through
there
away
from
the
drive
vial.
We
want
it
to
function.
We
want
people
from
columbia
center
to
have
good
access
into
the
shopping
center.
We
want.
R
We
want
to
be
a
contributing
member
and
not
a
barrier,
and
so,
but
we
want
to
do
do
these
improvements
in
a
mindful
manner
that
doesn't
because
we're
going
to
have
to
widen
it
to
30
feet
in
width.
We
don't
want
it
to
encourage
people
to
go
faster
and
so
incorporating
painted
crossings,
implementing
new
materials,
bricks
and
then
the
bulb
outs.
We
think
that
there
will
be
a
cumulative
effect
of
slowing
people
down,
so
it
is
a
safer
dry
vial.
C
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
if
I
could
follow
up
so
that
30-foot
width
that
you
talked
about
because
as
I
was
looking
at
it,
I
thought
it
showed
26.
R
R
One
of
the
members
that
spoke
before
you
earlier
today
thinks
that
he
pays
a
cam
charge,
common
area
maintenance
agreement
with
the
owners
of
the
property,
so
it
might
be
owned
by
itd
but
maintained
by
the
sim
plot
organization,
or
it
could
be
simple
out
property.
So
we're
going
to
investigate
that-
and
I
agree
with
you
that
if
we
can
get
an
expanded,
wider
sidewalk
out
there,
that
includes
a
bicycle
path.
Not
only
will
it
be
more
functional,
but
it'll
also
be
safer.
C
Thank
you
and
then,
if
I
could
ask
one
question
of
staff
cody
just
a
process
question
if
we
were
to
deny
the
appeal
and
uphold
this
tonight
and
add
conditions
that
we're
not
seeing
on
the
what's
before
us,
would
that
only
go
to
design
review
or
does
that
go
through
a
subdivision
plan
at
some
point?
Would
we
see
it
again?
I
guess
is
my
question.
H
O
O
E
P
I'd
also
like
to
say
thanks
for
allowing
us
to
hear
you
or
hear
us
today,
all
right,
and
I,
if
I
can
I'd
like
to
answer
councilmember
halliburton's
question
as
well.
I
think
we
would
not
be
here
today
if
we
would
have
felt
satisfactory
resolution
at
the
planning
and
zoning
committee.
I
think
we
were
heard
for
three
minutes,
but
we
were
not
listened
to
and
we
were
not
asked
probing.
Questions
like
the
city
council
did
today
to
help
understand
why
we
had
the
concerns
about
the
traffic
on
that
road.
P
P
So
if
there
was
any
lesson
learned
that
come
out
of
this
and
that
can
be
passed
on
to
the
planning
and
zoning
committee
to
me,
that's
something
that
should
be
addressed
and
so
that
they
not
just
hear
us
that
they
listen
to
us
one.
Other
thing
that
I
would
also
recommend
recommend
is-
I
did
not
know
this
until
this
meeting-
that
there
was
a
a
letter
sent
out
to
property
owners
within
300
feet
of
the
complex
with
a
complex
like
this.
P
That's
probably
not
very
good
idea
to
do
anybody
within
300
feet
of
that
is
like
albertsons,
the
sim
plot
corporation
yeah,
the
liquor
store,
which
is
probably
owned
by
the
state-
I
don't
know,
but
anyway,
all
of
those
are
things
that
you
know
we
were
not
even
did
not
even
know
about
these
until
the
april
12th
meeting,
so
it
makes
it
very
difficult
to
us
to
work
with
the
with
the
developer
earlier
in
the
process,
and
I
actually
talked
with
the
members
from
the
hawkins
group
here
a
few
minutes
ago-
and
I
said
you
know,
this
is
something
that
hopefully
is
a
lesson
learned
that
can
help
us
all
in
the
future.
P
P
All
right,
you've
haven't
made
your
decision
yet,
but
you've
asked
the
same
questions
that
we're
asking
and
I
think
there's
benefit
to
that
and
I
think
there's
growth
in
that,
and
I
think
that
we
can
work
together
with
the
organization
with
the
developers
so
that
we
can
come
with
a
proper
solution
and
it'll
be
good
for
everybody
involved.
C
Question
for
staff
kind
of
addressing
your
concerns
cody.
First
of
all,
this
is
a
pud
on
more
than
five
acres,
so
I
assume
it
was
noticed
for
500
feet
or
750.
I
can't
remember
which
on
this
size
and
then
the
second
just
confirmed
this,
and
that
it
would
have
also
gone
to
the
neighborhood
association,
would
it
have
gone
to
the
hoa
or
the
merchant
association.
H
Madam
mayor
council,
member
clay,
yes,
the
radius,
we
we
actually
changed
the
code
recently
from
300
to
fairly
recently
from
300
to
500
feet
for
a
project
like
this,
it's
owners
and
occupants.
So
if
there
are
common
lot
associations,
business
associations
that
own
property
and
there
they
would
have
been
noticed
as
well.
Okay.
C
Q
Ahead,
I
agree
with
david
everything
he
said
was
what
I
wanted
to
say.
We
wouldn't
have
been
here
if
we
felt
like
we
were
heard
in
the
first
meeting.
Nobody
asked
us
any
follow-up
questions.
They
let
us
speak,
we
sat
down
and
they
said
what
they
wanted
to
say.
They
said
they
wanted
less
parking
and
more
units,
and
we
just
kind
of
sat
back
and-
and
we
were
wondering
why
there
was
a
lot
more
clarity
today.
Q
I
think
we
we
all
spoke
and
I
think
we're
getting
on
the
same
page,
and
I
think
you
know
I
I
think
it's
gonna
count
pretty
well.
T
C
C
Thank
you.
I
would,
and
thank
you
that
was
a
unique
rebuttal.
Thank
you
for
being
thoughtful
and
bringing
your
issues
forward
today.
C
I
would
move
that
we
deny
the
appeal
of
pud
21-6
at
2454,
east
gown
road
and
uphold
the
decision
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
with
the
finding
that
additional
evidence
shows
a
need
for
additional
conditions
on
the
drive
aisle
and
that
those
conditions
be
that
the
access
road
remain
open
for
the
full
duration
of
the
construction,
that
any
traffic
calming
not
include
speed,
bumps
that
the
parking
not
be
allowed
to
be
nose-in,
but
be
either
diagonal
or
parallel,
as
shown
by
evidence
to
be
safe
at
the
design
review
committee,
and
that
the
applicant
explore
adding
bike
facilities
either
on
the
drive
aisle
or
as
part
of
a
multi-use
path
along
the
sidewalk.
C
If
I
might
yes,
most
of
you
know
that
we
have
a
housing
shortage
in
boise,
and
this
kind
of
housing
is
much
needed.
As
the
applicant
stated.
This
is
a
location
that
hasn't
been
developed
as
commercial
for
many
years,
because
commercial
just
isn't
going
to
be
viable
and
in
fact
these
residents
may
make
the
commercial
lights
already
they're
more
viable.
C
Center
activity
center,
which
means
more
housing
immediately
around
that
regional
activity
center,
is
a
good
thing,
makes
that
activity
center,
more
vibrant,
and
I
think
the
applicant
has
tried
hard
to
bring
forward
an
application
that
met
the
conditions
of
the
site
without
exceeding
it,
and
so,
for
those
reasons
I
am
in
favor
of
it
and
madame
mayor,
if
the
seconder
will
allow
me,
I
forgot
one
of
the
conditions,
which
is
that
the
applicant
explore
a
cross-access
agreement
with
the
apartment
complex
to
the
north
at
the
north
northwest
corner.
Yes,
thank
you.
M
Better
mary
first,
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
thank
the
appellants
for
being
good
to
work
with
for
bringing
solutions
to
the
table.
That
doesn't
always
happen
a
lot
of
times,
people
either.
M
They
want
something
to
not
happen,
but
they
aren't
willing
to
explore
any
sort
of
gray
areas,
and
so
again
I
appreciate
you
bringing
recommendations
and
solutions
to
the
table
that
can
help
us
make
a
better
decision
for
you
and
for
the
developer
and
the
work
that
went
into
you
know,
doing,
counts
and
and
the
care
that
you
put
into
it,
and
I
appreciate
the
developer
as
well
being
open
to
receiving
those
comments.
I
think
that
it
still
is
funky
to
me.
M
You
know
this
kind
of
road
that
goes
through
there,
but
you
know
if
this
was
a
commercial
complex.
You'd
still
have
the
same
problem,
no
matter
what
gets
put
here,
there's
an
easement
on
that
road,
a
legal
easement
and
it's
always
going
to
be
a
little
bit
tricky.
Unless
it's
absolutely
nothing
and
like
council
president
clegg
said
you
know,
nothing
isn't
solving
affordable
housing,
it's
not
driving
economic
impact
into
the
businesses
that
are
there.
You
know.
M
That's
not
a
solution
as
well,
so
I
do
think
that
we
got
to
get
that
right,
and
so
I
I'm
confident
that
through
design
review
and
through
working
together
and
through
some
of
the
advice
that
we
got
from
the
neighbors
in
the
area
that
we
can
figure
out
the
best
solution
for
for
that
that
traffic
that's
going
to
be
going
through
there.
I
know
there
was
brought
up
during
the
planning
and
zoning,
but
it
sounds
like
there
was
some
discussion
about
bike
parking
as
well.
M
G
Madam
mayor,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
everyone
who
came
out
tonight,
even
though
you
weren't
here
speaking,
it's
great
to
see
so
many
people
engaged
and
willing
to
leave
their
homes
to
spend
some
time
with
us
on
a
tuesday
night
honestly,
when
I
was
going
through
this
application
earlier,
I
was
very
confused.
G
It's
like
I
didn't
understand
exactly
what
the
issues
were.
I
was
reading
the
record
and
still
not
really
understanding
it,
and
so
it
was
actually
very
helpful
to
dive
into
it
a
little
bit
more
and
understand
the
issues
with
that
easement
with
the
access
road,
the
easement
that
surrounds
the
access
road
and
how
that
all
fit
together.
So
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
explore
that
together
and
come
up
with
a
solution
that
I
think
is
going
to
work.
Well
and
really.
G
You
know
it
might
seem
funky
when
you're
looking
at
it
on
paper,
but
there
are
lots
of
high-density
housing
complexes
that
are
on
collector
roads
and
that's
essentially
what
this
is
going
to
be.
It's
going
to
be
on
both
sides
of
a
collector
and
that
exists
all
over
the
city.
So
I'm
glad
that
this
worked
out.
I
hope
that
the
surrounding
businesses
see
the
benefit
of
having
some
walkable
neighbors
into
your
cafes
and
your
stores,
and
I
think
that
this
is
just
hugely
needed.
G
K
Madam
mayor
go
ahead.
I
generally
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said.
I
think
on
that.
Well,
first,
on
the
merits
of
the
appeal
under
our
standard
of
review,
it
doesn't
meet
the
legal
criteria
for
reversal
in
my
opinion,
but
then
on
the
more
meaty
stuff
that
we've
talked
about.
K
It's
it's
very
clear
that
if
that
access
road
went
away,
the
entire
commercial
area
would
be
much
worse,
it'd
be
almost
impossible
to
get
in
and
out
so
like
that.
Doesn't
work
that
also
legally
doesn't
work
because,
of
course,
the
property
owner
has
this
easement
that
it
I
guess
it's
a
corporate
entity
must
maintain,
and
so
it
has
to
be
there
somewhere,
there's
really
nowhere
else.
To
put
it.
K
There
was
some
discussion
from
some
of
the
testimony
tonight
that
having
those
vehicles
rolling
back
and
forth
through
that
neighborhood
will
be
burdensome
and
difficult
for
the
people
who
eventually
live
there,
and
that
may
be
true,
but
the
road
has
to
be
there.
It
has
to
be
30
feet
wide
and
the
entire
commercial
district
will
be
worse
without
it.
So
it's
kind
of
we're
stuck
with
what
we've
got.
I
did
look
at
the
property
on
google
maps
and
I
saw
the
power
lines.
K
K
K
I
don't
think
we
can
build,
build,
build
our
way
out
of
our
housing
crisis,
but
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
development
we
need
in
the
type
of
place
that
we
need
to
be
having
it.
So,
although
that
doesn't
go
to
the
merits
of
the
appeal,
I
hope
that
gives
you
some
sense,
philosophically
of
where
we're
coming
from
here.
N
Well,
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
project
and
I
think
it
was
made
even
better
tonight
with
suggestions
that
were
made
and
the
additions
that
were
made
and-
and
I
I
want
to
thank
the
appellant
for
your
thoughtfulness
in
this
process.
The
three
of
you
specifically
in
bringing
your
ideas.
They
were
very
well
thought
out
and
well
well
taken,
so
I
think
it
made
a
big
difference
in
in
your
approach.
N
We
don't
always
see
that
type
of
approach
on
an
appeal
and
it
was
it
was
outstanding,
and
I
really
like
the
addition
of
the
dog
park.
Thank
you.
D
Madam
mayor
yeah,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
appellant
and
and
the
applicant.
This
is,
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
see
at
all.
Our
council
meetings
is
people
treating
each
other
with
a
sense
of
dignity
and
grace
and
and
being
willing
to
come
together
to
reach
a
solution.
D
The
reality
is,
I
wish
I
could
own
a
home
again,
but
the
last
recession
was
challenging
and
unfortunately
I
joined
the
ranks
of
people
who
lost
their
homes
to
foreclosure,
but
I
am
a
woman
of
faith
and
I
believe
that
the
reason
we
go
through
those
experiences
is
so
that
we
can
have
empathy
and
compassion
for
others
when
they
go
through
those
similar
situations.
D
So
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
boise
who
would
love
to
be
homeowners,
but
it's
just
going
to
be
so
much
harder
for
folks
to
get
into
a
house
of
their
own.
I
looked
at
my
little
tall
skinny
house
that
I
built
in
2002
near
boise
state.
I
think
the
assessor
has
it
at
350
000..
I
built
it
for
97
000
and
I
would
love
to
be
in
my
little
tall,
skinny
house
again.
D
So
I
have
no
doubt
that
the
folks
who
end
up
living
in
these
beautiful
apartments
are
going
to
be
grateful
to
still
be
able
to
live
in
boise,
and
you
never
know
in
the
next
five
to
ten
years.
You
may
have
more
renters
up
on
the
stairs.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
being
open
and
solution
driven
tonight.
A
Well,
I
won't
be
voting,
but
it's
funny
after
so
many
years
on
council.
I
was
glad
to
see
that
the
council
president's
motion
listed
everything.
I
had
written
down
that
needed
to
be
part
of
the
motion
and
we
both
have
math
on
our
pages
too.
The
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
coming.
It's
and
the
students
that
are
here
tonight
welcome.
I
hope
to
see
you
again,
it's
probably
just
for
credit
for
class,
and
we
probably
won't
but
it'd,
be
really
fun
to
see
you
again.
A
It's
awesome
to
see
faces
in
these
chambers.
Sir.
I
wanted
when
my
kids
played
soccer
your
coffee
shop
like
saved
me.
I
would
drop
them
off
for
spring
soccer
and
say
I
had
to
go,
get
coffee
and
then
hide
from
the
cold
weather.
As
long
as
I
could
possibly
stay
in
your
shop
and
ups
store
as
well,
it
was
a
great
place
to
run
errands.
I
really
see
this
as
a
great
solution.
Our
community
needs
housing.
A
We
need,
and
we
saw
tonight,
nine
new
homes
that
folks
making
at
the
area
median
income
will
qualify
to
buy
and
now
we're
seeing
this
proposal
for
multi-family
apartments
that
make
homes
accessible
to
boise
as
well
connected
directly
to
the
highway,
so
quicker
access
to
jobs,
to
stores
to
support-
and
I
expect
over
time
and
that
strip
mall
there
and
we'll
continue
to
have
more
interesting
things
and
businesses
will
stabilize
and
then
pull
in
more
and
then,
of
course,
ready
access
to
what
is
now
the
boise
city
fields
down
at
simblot.
A
I
caught
park
fields,
but
the
park
complex
there
as
well.
So
I'm
really
appreciate
the
way
this
was
worked
through
and
seeing
everybody
tonight
and
look
forward
to
seeing
more
folks
frequenting
the
businesses
that
I
often
did
when
we
headed
over
for
soccer
adam.