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A
B
Great,
thank
you
all
righty.
Well
welcome
back.
This
is
the
I'm
looking
at
my
agenda
and
I
see
january
up
here,
but
that's
the
date.
It
was
amended.
So
this
is
the
february
2nd
city
council
meeting
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
to
order
first.
Item
of
business
is
an
invocation
which
we
observe
with
a
moment
of
silence,
followed
by
the
pledge
of.
B
C
D
C
E
B
F
G
H
B
B
I
I'm
here,
can
you
hear
me?
Oh
yes,
we
can
hear
you
welcome.
Sorry
I
was
I
was
muted.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much.
I'm
really
excited
about
this
position.
I
live
in
roosevelt
flats
in
a
historic
home
and
I'm
really
passionate
about
preservation
and
our
beautiful
historic
districts,
and
so
I'm
I'm
just
really
excited
for
the
next
three
years.
Thank
you.
B
And
next
we
have
two
appointments
to
the
public
works:
commission,
first
jennifer
ellis
for
a
four-year
term,
ending
february
2025
and
then
kyleen
colette,
the
st
to
the
student
seat,
which
is
a
one-year
term
ending
february
2022.
F
B
Without
objection
great,
I
want
to
say
also
to
jennifer
and
kyleen
thanks.
So
much
for
your
willingness
to
serve
jennifer
has
served
as
a
an
ambassador
had
gone
through
the
live
ambassador
program
before,
and
so
I
enjoyed
hearing
about
her
experience.
Doing
that
and
then
kyleen
as
a
student,
would
you
say
and
really
looking
forward
to
getting
involved
in
her
community?
So
welcome
to
you
both
and
if
you're
here
you're
welcome
to
say
anything.
A
F
F
I'd
just
like
to
also
thank
everyone
who
has
stepped
up
to
serve
on
our
commissions.
I
want
you
to
know.
I
know
how
important
it
is,
how
much
time
it
takes
and
how
I
really
appreciate
it,
as
does
the
rest
of
the
council,
I'm
sure.
B
C
B
You
all
okay.
Next
up,
we
have
the
consent
agenda,
all
items
on
the
consent
agenda
will
be
considered
and
all
the
items
with
an
asterisk
actually
will
be
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
shall
be
placed
on
a
consent
agenda,
and
there
will
be
no
separate
discussion
on
these
items
unless
a
member
of
council
or
the
public
so
requests
ace,
you
can
remove
an
item
for
to
be
considered
as
normal
sequence.
Yes,
was
that
council
member
thompson.
K
B
E
C
L
Real
quickly
before
we
move
on,
I
should
have
mentioned
this
before
our
consent
agenda
today.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
times
in
all
the
resolutions
there's
some
pretty
big
deals
that
get
overlooked
in
our
regular
course
of
business.
We've
received
some
monies
from
the
federal
government
for
rental
assistance
for
our
communities
most
in
need
and
we'll
be
passing
those
through
to
boise
city,
ada,
county
housing
authority
for
distribution.
L
F
Madam
mayor,
just
follow-up
to
that,
I
was
unable
to
attend
because
of
this
city
council
work
session,
but
the
boise
city,
ada
county
housing
authority
board,
met
tonight
to
accept
the
rental
assistance
monies.
So
I
know
it's
ready
to
go.
B
Yes,
that
was
a
welcome
announcement
that
we
would
be
receiving
that
money
and
really
do
appreciate
the
partnership
with
the
boise
city
ada
county
housing
authority.
The
ada
county
portion
will
be
helping
to
administer
the
funds
that
ada
county
got
for
rental
assistance
and
the
boise
city,
part
of
it
will
be
administering
the
boise
city
funds
that
we
receive
from
the
federal
government.
So
thanks
councilmember
for
flagging
that
okay,
we
have
nothing
on
first
reading,
but
we
do
have
one
ordinance
on
second
reading.
B
D
B
Thank
you.
There
are
no
ordinances
on
third
reading,
so
we'll
go
into
new
business.
We
have
the
public
hearing
section
of
the
evening.
We
have
two
items
tonight.
First,
we'll
start
with
cr
20-14
the
re-zone
of
approximately
five
acres
along
orchard
street,
and
it
looks
like
as
though
nobody
signed
up
in
advance,
but
I'll
just
walk
the
public
through
for
those
of
you
that
are
on
zoom
waiting
to
talk.
B
M
Thank
you.
This
this
item
is
a
request
to
rezone,
roughly
five
acres
or
just
under
five
acres,
addressed
at
313,
south
orchard
street,
from
a1
or
open
land
to
pcd
or
pedestrian
commercial
with
design
review.
I
believe
you're
all
familiar
with
the
property,
it's
the
old
school
site
on
the
southwest
corner
of
franklin
and
orchard.
M
This
this
rezone
was
heard
in
conjunction
with
the
planned
unit
development
by
the
planning
commission
in
december.
The
project
just
briefly
includes
205
residential
units,
roughly
6
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space
along
with
amenities
and
parking.
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
on
the
specifics
of
the
project,
because
the
decision
on
the
plan
unit
develop
was
not
appealed.
It
is
only
the
rezone
that's
set
before
you
this
evening.
M
Again,
the
request
is
to
change
the
zoning
from
a1
or
open
lan
to
pedestrian
commercial,
that
a1
zoning
really
doesn't
reflect
the
long-term
vision
for
the
property.
It's
really
more
of
a
reflection
of
the
historic
use
of
the
property
as
a
school.
The
property
is
designated
mixed
use
on
land
use,
map
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and,
as
indicated
in
your
packet,
this
would
allow
a
number
of
zoning
districts.
M
As
you
saw,
the
commission
did
find
that
the
pedestrian
commercial
zoning
to
be
appropriate,
it
is
there,
is
perhaps
merit
to
higher
density
some
of
the
higher
density
residential
zones,
perhaps
office
or
commercial
zoning
like
you,
do
see
in
the
area,
but
the
pedestrian
commercial
zone,
from
our
perspective
in
the
commissions
really
is
the
best
to
facilitate
mixed
use.
Development,
including
and
does
include
an
allowance
for
higher
density
residential
development.
M
Now,
with
the
pedestrian
commercial
zoning,
it
doesn't
preclude
commercial
or
office
uses,
but
when
they
do
occur,
it
clearly
requires
more
urban
design
treatment.
Also,
this
zone
doesn't
allow
auto-centric
uses
like
drive
up
facilities
and
sales
lots
from
our
perspective.
Even
this,
wouldn't
this
eliminates
the
need
for
a
development
agreement
with
the
request
and
more
significantly,
the
city
is
retaining
ownership
of
this
property,
so
we're
confident.
Even
if
the
specific
project
doesn't
materialize,
the
pc
or
pedestrian
commercial
zoning
is
most
appropriate.
M
We
heard
concerns
that
we
often
hear
within
fill
projects.
Those
include
worries
around
traffic
parking
and
then
height
in
terms
of
height.
The
project
does
step
down
from
four
stories
along
the
streets
to
three
stories
adjacent
to
the
park,
and
that
height
is
further
mitigated
along
the
side
property
line
as
the
building
steps
or
the
the
right
of
way
to
the
west.
M
Finally,
traffic
impacts
are
actually
mitigated
by
the
presence
of
existing
public
transit
along
or
orchard
street.
The
applicant
will
actually
be
providing
a
new
bus
stop
along
that
street.
That
will
be
reviewed
in
detail
through
the
design.
Review.
Application
again
probably
went
through
that
in
a
bit
too
much
detail,
but
I
did
want
to
touch
on
those
things.
It
is
just
the
rezone
that's
before
you
this
evening,
but
I
did
want
to
recognize
and
try
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
we
had
heard
about
so
in.
M
In
conclusion,
we
remain
unaware
of
opposition
to
the
request
from
any
public
agency
serving
the
site.
We
acknowledge.
There
will
certainly
be
an
increase
in
activity
with
this.
With
this
rezone
and
this
project,
given
the
mixed-use
designation
of
the
property,
I
think
it's
reasonable,
reasonable
expectation
that
the
site
would
redevelop
and
the
fact
that
it
is
predominantly
housing
in
proximity
to
existing
services
and
amenities
are
clearly
supported
by
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
rezone
this
evening.
M
F
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
the
comments
from
achd
did
did
come,
come
in
a
little
bit
kind
of
late
in
the
process.
So
you
know,
I
believe
the
applicant
is
comfortable
comfortable
with
it.
It's
probably
not
ideal,
and
we
do
have
an
opportunity
to
evaluate
that
further
through
the
through
the
design,
review,
application
and
and
certainly
hope
to.
F
F
B
O
Hi,
thank
you
thanks
cody
for
that
succinct,
but
thorough
review,
great
job
there.
I
think
everyone
has
seen
this
a
couple
times,
I'm
not
sure
how
up
to
speed
you
are
on
the
progress
that
we've
been
making
so
I'll,
go
through
a
brief
recap:
get
everyone
caught
up
to
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today.
If
everyone
remembers,
this
was
a
property
that
was
put
out
through
an
rfp
process.
Last
spring
we
presented
our
vision
for
the
site
and
were
selected
as
the
developer.
O
O
So
we've
also
tried
really
hard.
Our
goal
from
the
beginning
was
to
incorporate
this
into
the
neighborhood
as
something
that
will
serve
as
an
amenity
to
the
neighborhood,
something
that
will
serve
as
an
amenity
to
folks
using
the
park.
We
really
wanted
to
augment
the
uses
and
really
enhance
that,
rather
than
detract
from
it,
and
I
think
that
the
program
that
we've
come
up
with
does
that
very
well.
O
It
is
our
preference,
but
we've
done
right
and
right
out
before
many
other
projects
and-
and
we
feel
confident
that
we
can
make
that
work.
I
think
everyone's
caught
up
to
speed,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anyone
might
have
we've
had
like
cody,
said
a
few
comments
from
the
community.
O
I
think
that
we've
tried
our
best
to
address
those
and
work
through
those,
and
hopefully
you
agree
that
this
process
has
led
us
to
what
is
going
to
be
a
very
good
project
for
the
immediate
community
and
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
I'll
keep
it
brief
with
my
comments
and
and
welcome
any
questions
when
the
time
is
appropriate,.
F
Thank
you
jake.
I
do
have
a
question
it
has
to
do
with
the
zone,
and
the
pc
zone
is
one
that
the
city's
worked
on
a
fair
amount
to
accommodate
projects.
Just
such
as
this,
and
I
just
wonder
from
your
experience
in
other
places:
did
you
find
it
a
zone
that
was
easy
to
work
with?
Did
you
find
obstacles
in
it
or
or
those
kinds
of
things
as
we
move
forward
with
rewriting
our
zoning
code?
I'd
be
interested
in
understanding
what
those
might
be.
O
Sure
that's
a
great
question.
You
know.
I
think
that
there's
always
challenges
within
any
code.
There's
there's
no
perfect
code.
We
did
find
this
one
to
be
very
accommodating
for
the
project
that
we
envisioned.
The
setbacks
are
appropriate.
The
height
limits
are
appropriate.
O
You
know,
I
think
that
the
design
review
process
will
be
informative
to
us.
We
haven't
started
that
yet
and
I
think
for
us,
that's
the
one
that
we're
really
looking
at
and
saying,
okay,
that
this
is
going
to
take
some
navigation
and
I'll,
give
you
better
feedback
after
we
get
through
that
process.
But
to
this
point
I
don't
really
have
much
material
to
add.
I
think
it's
been
a
good
process.
The
city
staff
has
been
fantastic
to
work
with,
and
the
code
hasn't
proved
to
be
cumbersome
to
us
in
the
least.
B
L
I
do
have
one
question:
thank
you
so
much
jake
for
joining
us.
Virtually
this
evening.
L
L
O
I'll
I
think
that
there's
going
to
be
some
input
from
from
those
guys.
From
our
perspective,
that's
still
that
particular
section
has
work
left
to
do
that.
I
think,
will
be
finalized
during
the
design
review
process.
There's
an
easement
that
runs
down
that
street
for
storm
water,
and
so
it's
impacting
how
we
handle
our
landscaping
and
sidewalks
through
that
section,
because
we
can't
encroach
on
that
easement
with
any
plantings
or
anything,
that's
immovable
in
case
they
need
to
service
their
their
stormwater
facility.
So
I
think
that's
one!
That's
probably
going
to
be
refined.
O
I
I
don't
think.
That's
final.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
final
design,
and
so
I
do
think
that
through
design
review,
we'll
we'll
be
tightening
that
up.
So
if
either
cody
orion
wants
to
add
to
that.
M
Madam
mayor
count,
council
member
woodings,
certainly
through
design
review,
we'll
explore
the
ability
to
detach
that
sidewalk.
You
know
if
the
trade-off
is
is
losing
trees
or
something
like
that.
We'd
we'd
look
at
it
very
carefully,
but
that's
that's
certainly
still
an
opportunity.
L
Yeah,
it
just
seems
on
that
corner
where
that's
going
to
be
a
pretty
major
ingress
and
egress
from
the
development.
It
would
make
sense
to
detach
those
just
from
a
pedestrian
point
of
view
and
madame
one
more
question,
if
I
may,
of
course
my
next
question
is
kind
of
related
to
the
pedestrian
commercial
zone,
which
is
everyone
knows,
is
my
favorite
zone
and
the
placement
of
the
restaurant
on
the
lot.
L
Normally,
a
commercial
building
would
be
brought
out
to
the
street
rather
than
flipped,
in
that
more
suburban
configuration
of
having
a
parking
lot
and
then
a
building-
and
I
understand
that
there's
some
consideration
with
its
placement
on
the
park.
Can
you
just
kind
of
walk
me
through
the
decision
making
process
on
that
jake.
O
I
think
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
We
went
back
and
forth
on
exactly
how
to
orient
that,
but
we
saw
the
opportunity
to
use
the
park
and
that
you
know
cafe
space
as
amenities
for
each
other
as
sort
of
too
good
to
pass
up
in
our
vision,
people
can
use
the
the
park
the
cafe
interchangeably,
we
plan
on
having
a
large
outdoor
seating
area.
O
So
you
know
in
a
perfect
world,
you
might
have
a
mother
or
father
having
a
cup
of
coffee
sitting
on
the
edge
the
children
are
playing
in
the
park
and
everything
can
kind
of
flow
back
and
forth
seamlessly.
The
second
part
of
that
is
part
of
our
deal
with
the
city
was
to
provide
additional
facilities
for
the
park,
and
that
comes
in
the
form
of
public
restrooms
that
are
accessible
to
anyone
using
the
park,
not
just
patrons
of
our
businesses
or
residents
of
of
our
buildings,
and
so
by
getting
that
closer
into
the
park.
O
We're
able
to
integrate
everything
in
together
very
well
so
that
people
don't
have
to
cross
over
parking
lots.
They
don't
have
to
go
out
to
a
separate
building.
That's
off-site
from
the
park
to
use
those
facilities,
so
it's
sort
of
a
combination
of
things.
We
do
recognize
that
the
more
urban
design
is
to
push
everything
to
the
street,
but
we
think
we've
come
up
with
a
good
design,
that
kind
of
straddles
and-
and
it
helps
us
get
a
little
bit
of
the
best
of
both
worlds.
F
F
Go
ahead,
thank
you,
councilmember
woodings.
That
was
also
a
question
I
had
had.
I
talked
to
staff
about
it,
but
jake
your
answer
brings
up
actually
a
reminder
to
me.
I
know
that
you've
worked
in
the
salt
lake
region
and
in
that
region.
Envision
utah
worked
on
some
design
standards
that
foresaw
situations
where
you
would
have
a
parking
lot
at
the
street.
F
O
Would
say
that
not
specifically
exactly
what
you're
describing,
but
we
always
use
best
efforts
to
mitigate
specifically
for
the
site
that
we're
working
on,
and
I
think
that
we'll
we'll
be
working
towards
some
solution
like
that
on
this
site,
as
well
again
I'll
defer
back
to
the
planners
a
little
bit
on
the
process
that
we'll
go
through
during
design
review
and,
first
and
foremost,
we'll
obviously
want
to
honor
the
code
and
do
everything.
That's
that's
required
and
allowed
within
that.
O
But
we
don't
have
any
objections
and
I
think
that
frankly,
we
would
probably
want
to
do
that
ourselves.
And
so
you
know
to
answer
the
question.
This
is
a
unique
situation
that
always
requires
a
little
bit
of
specific
thought
and
consideration,
and
so
we'll
work
we'll
work
together
with
the
city
on
that.
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
Now
I
do
have
one
member
of
the
public
adam
phillips
has.
Let
us
know
that
he's
on
zoom
adam
we'll
move
you
up
to
a
presenter
or
speaker
and
adam.
I
think
we
received
an
email
from
you
today.
Q
Yes,
that's
correct,
thank
you!
Madame
council
members,
other
attendees
and
I
I
have
been
interested-
and
you
know
that
this
just
what
you're
describing
here
definitely
gives
me
a
few
more
avenues
to
to
look
into
further.
Just
you
know
in
my
speaking
with
my
neighbors
a
lot,
and
you
know
we
had
organized
too.
Q
Didn't
I'm
sorry
4806
grover
street.
Thank.
Q
Okay,
just
we
had
organized
a
couple
years
ago
and
with
the
assistance
of
our
our
local
state
senators
to
resist
some
developments
that
were
encroaching
here
on
the
other
side
of
orchard-
and
you
know
this
especially
in
in
going
through
the
report
and
just
the
like,
the
massive
amount
of
traffic
that
this
is
going
to
be
depositing
into
the
area
and
I'm
not
sure
to
what
extent
people
who
don't
live
up
here
are
really
aware
of.
Q
There's
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
has
come
into
this
this
neck
of
the
woods
over
the
last
several
years,
and
it's
really
transforming
the
neighborhood
as
far
as
congestion
pollution,
noise
pollution
goes,
and
so
there
is
definitely
a
a
general
vibe
and
again
I
I
I'm
not
intending
my
comments
to
be
accusatory
here
towards
anyone.
Q
I
mean
I
understand
how
you
know
how
these
things
work,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
us
who
who
have
been
in
discussion
with
realtors
and-
and
this
very
well
could
be
the
kind
of
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back
as
far
as
getting
out
of
this
area,
town,
which
you
know
for
many
of
us,
feels
like
a
shame.
You
know
my
wife
and
I
are
both
public
school
teachers.
We
have
small
children,
we've
really
loved
living
here.
Q
You
know
on
fifth
generation,
idaho
idahoan
been
up
on
the
bench
for
a
long
time,
but
again,
just
with
the
the
way
the
neighborhood's
changing
and
this
much
more
congestion,
which
will
be
this
massive
dump
of
vehicles
into
this
tight
area.
That's
already
suffering
for
that
again,
I
I
think,
probably
we
will
be
moving
and
you
know
I
don't
think
I
unduly
flatter
myself
to
say
we're
valued
and
productive
members
of
the
community
here
and
again.
Q
This
is
this
is
a
sentiment
I'm
been
hearing
from
neighbors
over
the
last
last
month
or
two
as
this
is
coming
in.
So
once
again,
I'm
not
imagining
a
situation
where,
at
this
point
everyone
says:
okay,
we're
we're
done
we're
just
gonna
turn
it
into
a
giant
park
or
any
anything
of
that
nature.
But
I
definitely
wanted
that
sentiment
from
myself
and
and
some
neighbors,
who
might
be
a
little
bit
more
reluctant
to
to
come
on
and
speak
to
be
heard
by
everyone
and
again
I'll,
be
investigating.
Q
L
The
record
were
you
able
to
participate
in
the
early
energizer
neighborhoods
kind
of
feedback
sessions
that
they
had
there
at
the
site.
Q
I
was
not
no,
and
do
you
know
when
those
were
I've
been
out
of
town
a
bit
throughout
the
the
coveted
situation
we've
had
occasion
to
leave,
but,
to
be
honest,
that's
not
something
I'm
aware
of
as
you're
mentioning
that
to
me.
They.
L
Were
last
december
and
january
they
had
set
up
a
large
white
tent
right
there
on
the
old
franklin
school
site
to
gather
some
some
input
and
they
had
also
some
sessions
over
at
the
hillcrest
library
that
were
really
well
attended.
L
Yeah,
because
with
one
thing
that
we're
trying
to
do
as
a
city
is
really
kind
of
get
out
in
front
of
these
things
and
gather
neighborhood
and
feedback
early
so
that
we're
able
to
really
do
projects,
so
I
would
look.
I
would
encourage
you
to
get
engaged
early
in
the
future
when
you
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
because
every.
L
In
the
city
is
changing
and
every
neighborhood
in
the
city
is
seeing
a
lot
of
change
because
of
growth,
the
more
input
we
can
get
from
you
early
the
better,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
for
offering
your
input
on
this.
I
really
appreciate
it.
B
Are
either
of
you
here
for
this
item
yep,
oh
okay,
franklin
house,
a
little
bit
later.
All
right!
Is
there
anybody?
That's
the
next
item.
When
you
said
franklin,
I
was
thinking
you
meant
franklin
road,
because
it's
franklin
orchard
is
there
anybody
else
online
here
to
testify
on
the
franklin
and
orchard
rezone.
C
B
Like
it
before,
I
close
the
public
hearing,
are
there
additional
questions
for
staff
or
oh
and
the
applicant
gets
to
excuse
me.
I
forgot
the
applicant
may
make
a
rebuttal
if
you
so
choose.
O
Oh,
thank
you.
I
will
just
take
the
opportunity
to
to
thank
adam
for
joining
us
and
for
providing
his
comments,
and
he
said
something
that
I
think
is
is
really
important
that
you
know
he
is
going
to
look
for
ways
to
steer
this
project
to
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and
on
the
community,
and
that's
exactly
our
goal
as
well,
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
try
to
achieve
that
goal
already
and
we
have
no
intent
of
stopping.
So
we
welcome
feedback.
O
We
welcome
suggestions
and
we,
I
really
welcome
conversations
about
how
the
local
citizens
also
think
that
we
can
make
this
a
better
project.
So,
thanks
again
adam,
and
if
you
would
like
to
reach
out
to
me
directly,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
S
All
right,
thank
you,
this
might
be
for
jake
or
for
cody,
and
it's
just
real
quick.
I
thought
I
remembered
hearing
something
from
the
neighborhood
association
earlier
about
working
with
you
and
this
project
and
how
well
that
had
gone,
and
I
was
just
curious
if
you
could
just
talk
quickly
about
your
work
with
the
neighborhood
association.
S
O
We
have
been
working
closely
with
melinda.
Mcgoldrick
has
been
handling
that
she's
sort
of
the
intermediary,
so
she
has
been
great
about
getting
everybody.
You
know
creating
alignment
and
helping
us
to
solve
problems.
It's
been
continuous
since
the
since
we
first
started
working
on
the
project,
and
we
also
have
a
group
that
we're
working
with
right
now,
that
is
a
local
nonprofit
that
helps
do
economic
development
projects
who
we're
hoping
that
we'll
be
able
to
get
to
an
agreement
with
to
help
curate
all
of
our
commercial
and
retail
spaces.
O
So
they'll
truly
will
be
neighborhood
beneficial
uses
in
there.
So
we've
been
doing
those
types
of
things
and
again
we're.
We
want
to
continue
to
do
that.
So
you
know
we
took
a
lot
of
feedback
and
information
from
the
neighborhood
at
the
very
beginning.
We
have
had
several
meetings.
We
we
did
a
zoom
meeting
for
several
hours,
where
we
let
everybody
give
all
of
their
input
and
feedback,
and
we
actually
took
a
lot
of
those
suggestions
and
incorporated
them
into
the
concept
that
you
see
today,
so
yeah,
councilman
halliburton.
O
I
would
say
that
that
is
correct
and
we
really
appreciate
the
collaborative
nature
that
has
that
melinda
and
other
folks
in
the
studio,
help
facilitate.
So
it's
been
a
great
process
from
our
perspective.
O
F
Madam
mayor,
I
am
supporting
this
rezone
wholeheartedly
for
a
number
of
reasons.
It
was
anticipated
in
blueprint
boise
that
this
particular
corner
would,
in
fact
be
an
important
activity
center
in
the
city.
F
L
Madam
mayor,
yes,
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I
have
been
following
very
very
closely
this
development,
since
we
looked
as
a
council
at
purchasing
this
piece
of
property
and
then
going
and
decided
to
go
out
to
ask
the
neighborhood
what
they
would
like
to
see
here.
L
I
think
that
the
job
that
melinda
mcgoldrick
and
her
staff
did
in
gathering
that
feedback
and
giving
the
neighborhood
ample
opportunity
to
offer
what
they
would
like
to
see
is
commendable,
and
it
was
really
neat
to
see
their
concepts
and
look
at
the
feedback
that
they
got
and
then
how
that
formed
into
the
rfp.
That
eventually
was
published
that
mr
woods
company
responded
to.
L
It
was
a
wonderful
process,
one
of
the
first
of
its
kind
in
the
city
of
boise
or
for
the
city
of
boise.
I
shouldn't
say
in
we
have
other
organizations
who
do
similar
similar
things
in
the
city,
but
I
think
it
really
laid
a
groundwork
for
how
we
can
leverage
our
ability
to
hold
land
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
provide
some
of
the
affordable
housing
that
our
community
so
desperately
needs.
L
And
I
want
to
thank
the
neighborhood
up
on
the
bench,
the
central
bench,
neighborhood
association,
for
really
being
stewards
and
seeing
that
need
and
saying,
hey,
we've
got
this
spot
for
it,
but
here's
what
we
want
it
to
look
like
and
here's
how
we
would
like
our
amenities
to
be
and
really
being
open
to
helping
us
out
in
our
mission
to
provide
more
housing.
So
this
is
just
really
exciting.
It's
been
a
really
long
time.
It's
been
a
lot
of
work,
it's
had
a
lot
of
cheerleaders
and
it
feels
like
yes
we're.
L
Finally,
there
plus
it's
pedestrian
commercial
zone,
my
favorite,
so
thank
you
for
letting
me
worry
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
it's
just
really
cool.
So
thank
you.
B
Well,
I'll,
just
I'm,
I
don't
think
that
I'll
be
in
play
here,
but
I
want
to
I'm
just
add
to
what's
already
been
said
and
to
highlight
how
important
this
rezone,
but,
most
importantly,
this
development
is.
This
was
a
great
proof
of
concept
for
us
for
our
housing,
land,
trust
and
our
goals
of
ensuring
that
we
have
an
affordable
home
for
everyone
that
lives
in
our
community.
B
B
The
different
applicants
that
put
together
proposals
were
all
wonderful,
and
the
committee
chose
this
one
and
then
the
rezone
that
goes
along
with
it
makes
it
possible
now
for
more
work
to
be
done
at
the
design
review
level
and,
as
jake
said
in
response
to
council
member
wooding's
questions
about
the
sidewalk.
B
E
U
B
F
B
B
The
next
next
step
is.
We've
is
a
revisit
a
redo
of
cup
20-28,
and
I
say
that
because
council
already
saw
this
and
asked
that
some
work
be
done
on
it
and
now
it's
come
back.
We've
actually
got
two
people
now
in
the
room.
So
I'll
call
on
you
all.
First,
once
we
get
to
the
public
hearing
part
so
that
if
you
want
to
go
home,
you're
welcome
to,
of
course,
you're
welcome
to
stay
as
well.
B
It's
nice
to
see
you
here
and
then
we'll
go
through
with
everybody,
that's
on
the
zoom
as
well
and
so
and
I'm
gonna
first
I'll
call
through
the
list
that
we
have
here
and
then,
if
anybody
else
joins
us
and
wishes
to
speak
and
we'll
have
you
raise
your
hands
and
I
guess
we'll
have
to
tell
them
again,
but
everybody
will
have
a
chance,
even
if
you
didn't
sign
up
in
advance,
so
I'm
first
off
cody.
Don't
you
go
ahead
and
kick
us
off.
M
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
I'll
try
to
keep
this
keep
this
fairly
brief
because,
as
you
noted,
we've
heard
this
before
and
had
had
significant
public
hearing
already.
As
a
reminder,
this
is
a
request
for
a
special
exception
for
a
unique
combination
of
uses
that
aren't
really
defined.
Specifically
in
the
development
code.
There
are
elements
of
a
tavern
event
center
with
live
music
along
with
a
an
already
approved
bed
and
breakfast
this
use
occurs
in
an
existing
building
and
in
the
rear
yard
of
a
site.
M
M
They
have
also
agreed
to
an
annual
review
and
to
maintain
and
to
have
an
on-site
caretaker
with
contact
information
available
to
the
neighborhood
and
the
city
I
want
to
from
a
staff
perspective,
acknowledge
the
effort
by
the
applicant,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
conditions
or
concessions
they're
proposing
from
what
you
heard
previously
certainly
are
significant
as
a
reminder,
though,
the
site
is
zoned
residential
and
is
surrounded
by
residential
zoning.
M
Also,
I
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
a
special
exception
that
is
different
than
a
typical
conditional
use,
permit
the
standards
for
approval
or
that
bar
to
meet
our
are
clearly
higher.
These
are
otherwise
prohibited
uses
that
we're
we're
talking
about
specifically
council
to
approve
this
would
need
to
find
that
the
project
would
would
produce
an
equal
or
lesser
impact
than
allowed
uses
in
the
zone,
and
the
proper
zoning
is
not
available
in
the
neighborhood.
M
Those
those
two
criteria
are
really
where
staff
struggled
from
the
beginning
and
the
commission,
as
you
can
see
in
the
record,
even
with
conditions.
It
seems
that
this
this
use.
It
would
be
hard
to
find
that,
from
our
perspective,
that
the
use
would
have
a
reduced
impact
than
many
of
the
loud
uses
in
the
zone.
And
if
you
look
at
the
zoning
map,
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
zoning
available
in
the
immediate
area.
M
It's
for
those
reasons
that
our
recommendation
of
denial
for
the
project
hasn't
changed
so
consistent
with
the
recommendation
that
was
made
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
We
are
suggesting
you
deny
the
permit
tonight
again,
we'll
acknowledge
that
the
applicant
has
made
a
significant
effort
in
effort
to
mitigate
the
impacts
and
they
would
certainly
be
significantly
reduced.
But
again
we
do
struggle
with
those
two
specific
findings.
M
That
does
conclude
our
comments.
Should
council
elect
to
approve
the
application
this
evening,
we
would
need
to
return
with
findings
and
a
list
of
conditions
of
approval.
If
you
dot
the
recommendation
for
denial,
we
would
suggest
that
the
findings
and
reasons
statement
recommended
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
be
adopted.
Thank
you.
E
I
have
a
question
cody
about
the
standard
that
that
the
memo
calls
out
for
us
to
apply.
So,
on
the
one
hand,
part
of
this
of
your
recommendation
is
that
there
is
zoning
sufficient
to
allow
this
use
in
the
nearby
area
and
then
on
the
other
hand,
the
recommendation
is
that
this
use
would
have
a
greater
or
impact
than
allowed
use
in
the
nearby
area,
and
I
don't
feel
like
you,
can
I
don't
not
you
I'm
sorry.
I
don't
feel
like
like
it's
got
to
be
one
or
the
other.
E
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
paige
and
it's
funny-
I've
never
really
looked
at
it.
That
way,
I
guess
from
from
our
perspective,
there
is
there's
commercial
zoning
in
the
media
area,
you
know,
and
an
area
isn't
defined,
I
mean
we
don't
have
an
objective
kind
of
black
and
white
distance
of
what
what
that
area
is.
I
guess
when
from
a
staff
perspective
when
we're
speaking
to
that,
we
are
talking
about
that
commercial
zoning
closer
to
state
street
where,
where
we
would
anticipate
reasonably,
you
know
more
of
the
the
commercial
type
of
uses.
E
I
I'm
at
america's
follow-up.
I
I
don't
think
I
asked
my
question.
Well,
the
the
question
was,
on
the
one
hand,
we
have
zoning
in
the
area
that
would
accommodate
this
use
and
then,
on
the
other
hand,
we
have
a
recommended
finding
that
this
use
would
be
more
burdensome
than
the
zoning
in
the
immediate
area,
and
I
can't
figure
out
how
to
to
get
my
head
around
those
two
things.
M
Yeah,
madam
mayor
councilmember
agent,
I
think
you
know
the
the
zoning
in
the
area
transitions
as
you
get
away
from
the
state
street
corridor
to
residential,
and
that's
that's
that's
really
where
our
recommendation
were
what
we
relied
on.
I
certainly
think
there
is
some
subjectivity
there,
you're
you're,
absolutely
right.
F
Madame
cody,
maybe
if
I
could
ask
a
clarifying
question
on
that,
I,
as
I
read
the
staff
report,
the
finding
of
staff
was
that
the
zone
that
is
applied
to
this
particular
site,
which
is
r3.
F
M
That
and
america
council
remember
craig,
that's
I
think.
That's
probably
you
probably
answered
council
member
beijing's
question
better
better
than
I
did
we
were.
We
were
comparing
it
to
the
the
range
of
uses
allowed
and
expected
in
that
in
the
r3
zone,
which
is
is
what
applies
to
the
subject:
property.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay
current
currently,
the
r3
zone
would
allow
mixed
use
to
to
a
degree
on
a
small
parcel
like
this.
Probably
the
the
closest
thing
would
be
through
a
conditional
use,
permit,
saying,
office,
use
or
or
some
of
the
the
child
care
facilities,
but
in
that
in
that
zone,
certainly
not
you
know.
Restaurants
bars
things
like
that.
F
Okay,
so
so,
essentially
as
it
stands
today,
it's
staff's
position
that
we
really
don't
have
a
zone
that
accommodates
this
that
is
currently
applied
to
this,
or
that
could
could
be
without
a
rezone.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
I
think
that's
that's
a
fair
way
to
put
it
with
the
with
the
mixed
use
designation.
I
I
think
that
acknowledges
that
there's
there's
merit
to
a
variety
of
uses
here
and
perhaps
a
variety
of
zoning
districts.
It
really
depends
on
the
location.
In
fact,
our
mixed
use-
land
use,
designation,
even
in
certain
instances,
allows
industrial
zoning.
I
believe,
obviously,
that
that
wouldn't
apply
here,
but
we
have
used
it
to
justify
commercial
zoning
in
in
other
locations.
S
Cody
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
I
feel
like
I
recall
that
there
were
four
of
the
six
criteria
when
this
first
came
to
us
that
the
planning
team
didn't
think
that
they
met
and
now
there's
kind
of
two
that
are
highlighted.
I'm
wondering
if
the,
if
the
conditions
that
the
that
the
applicant
put
on
did
that
change
those
other
ones
that
that
were
kind
of
question
marks
or
are
those
still
concerns
beyond
just
those
two.
M
Madam
mayor
council,
member
hallie
burton
it
really
has
primarily
been
those
those
two
standards
that,
from
a
staff
perspective,
we've
been
concerned
with,
you
know
the
entire
time
there
is.
There
is
the
final
standard
in
terms
of
being
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
and
like
with
most
applications
that
can
certainly
be
debated
there
are.
There
are
certainly
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
would
support
this
sort
of
thing
in
this
location.
M
S
And
madam
mayor,
if
I
could
just
follow
up
to
that,
so
with
the
conditions
that
that
the
applicant
put
on
it
seems
like
it
probably
reduces
that
impact
for
number
two,
so
maybe
not
quite
to
zero
in
your
opinion,
but
reduces
it,
but
it
doesn't
have
an
impact
on
number
five
whatsoever.
Is
that
correct.
B
P
V
Madame
yes,
I
am
here
again
with
the
applicants.
Hi.
B
V
I'm
just
sharing
a
screen,
we'll
have
some
slides
for
you.
Madam
mayor
council,
members
again,
thank
you
for
your
time.
We
will
not
go
over
the
history
of
the
project
and
all
of
the
background
that
we've
done
in
the
past.
I
think
that
has
grown.
V
That
has
been
well
plowed
and
instead
we
will
focus
on
the
task
that
was
given
to
us
at
hand
which
was
developed
a
set
of
conditions
that
we
believe
addressed
staff's
concern
and
the
council's
concern
that
was
raised
in
our
last
meeting
and
then
to
address
the
two
criteria
that
staff
still
believe
possibly
aren't
adequately
addressed
in
our
conditions.
In
order
to
for
successful
issuance
of
the
cep
in
connection
with
the
conditions
themselves.
V
V
We
felt
that
that
was
a
reasonable
accommodation
parking
which
has
been
a
major
concern
for
people
of
on-street
parking
we
have
secured
and
a
copy
of
the
signed
lease
has
been
provided
to
council
for
their
review,
showing
that
we
now
have
off-site
parking
to
satisfy
our
parking
requirements,
music
and
noise.
I
would
like
to
make
one
clarification
to
cody
and
mr
riddle's
presentation
in
that
we
will
not
have
any
live
music
going
forward.
The
only
music
that
would
be
available
during
times
that
were
open
to
the
general
public
would
be
the
two
small
residential
speakers.
V
Much
like
many
of
us
find
in
our
own
backyards
around
the
neighborhoods
and
then
the
televisions
that
were
discussed
in
the
last
meeting
also
would
not
be
available
for
when
we're
open
to
the
general
public.
Those
may
be
available
during
our
special
events,
which
we
envision
as
bridal
showers,
weddings,
baby
showers.
To
have
that
that
type
of
visual
aspect
that
people
may
want
food
trucks,
as
you
can
see,
was
also
a
major
concern
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
V
We
saw
that
again
in
the
comments
that
were
submitted
and
we
would
limit
the
food
checks
to
two
days
a
week.
There
would
only
be
one
food
truck
on
site
at
a
time.
The
generators
would
be
electric
and
food
service
would
stop
at
9
00
pm
each
day.
Another
possible
condition
that
we
would
discuss
or
reconsider
was
have
portable
food
carts
inside
the
backyard
to
alleviate
any
concerns
of
the
alley
parking
or
food
trucks
and
the
noise
in
the
alley
itself.
V
An
on-site,
an
on-site
caretaker
would
be
here
at
all
times,
that's
necessary
for
our
primary
business
as
a
bed
and
breakfast.
So
that
is
something
that
will
occur
regardless,
and
the
two
pieces
that
we
think
are
most
important
and
we
saw
that
was
raised
again-
is
the
idea
of
the
annual
review
process
and
then
the
idea
of
working
with
the
neighborhood
contact
officer
to
mediate
any
concerns
that
come
up
between
issuance
of
a
cep
and
the
annual
review.
I
would
like
to
make
clear
we
were
not
trying
to
compare
ourselves
to
trica.
V
We
understand
that
those
are
two
different
uses.
We
were
just
trying
to
submit
a
process
that
has
been
well
vetted
and
well
worked
through
the
city
council
for
an
annual
compliance
review
that
was
acceptable
to
the
neighbors
in
the
same
neighborhood
and
to
council
and
then
again,
we've
also
contacted
the
neighborhood
contact
officer
to
discuss
how
we
could
work
any
complaints
or
issues
that
would
come
up
in
the
interim
between
issuance
and
the
annual
review
process.
V
So
we
wouldn't
have
to
rely
on
the
resources
of
code
compliance
to
be
out
here
if
there
were
neighborhood
complaints
and
that
we
could
mediate
those
complaints
at
that
level.
As
you
know,
we
have
a
very
engaged
neighbors
and
we
would
hope
that
any
concerns
could
be
addressed
through
that
process
and
the
compliance
process
and
the
review
process,
I
think,
is
very
important,
because
if
we
don't
comply
with
any
of
any
conditions
that
are
put
on
the
project,
then
we
have
the
risk
of
losing
our
conditional
use
permit.
V
So
we
are
very
committed
to
committing
to
performing
any
conditions
that
are
out
there.
So
those
are
those
are
the
general
conditions.
Again,
you
have
them
in
writing.
So
I
don't.
We
have
a
very
limited
time,
so
I
won't
go
through
them
in
detail.
Of
course,
any
questions
will
be
welcome,
and
then
that
brings
us
to
the
two
of
the
six
criteria
that
we
have
disc.
That
cody
mr
riddle.
Excuse
me
you
brought
up.
The
first
is
the
use
will
produce
an
equally
reduced
impact.
V
As
you
can
see,
all
these
conditions
were
designed
in
a
way
to
reduce
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood
site.
We
do
understand
that
this
is
a
conditional
use
for
the
ancillary
uses
of
the
tavern
in
the
special
events
and
the
concerns
again.
I
believe
that
the
impact
would
be
noise
and
parking
primarily.
V
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
some
of
the
allowed
uses
that
would
be
permitted
in
this
area
that
wouldn't
be
subject
to
conditions
would
be
a
multi-family
residence
at
which
time
the
concerns
that
the
neighbors
have
raised
regarding
noise
and
parking
and
people
in
the
backyard
or
late
night
parties
wouldn't
be
conditioned
in
those
instances.
It
would
be
a
general
allowed
use
and
wouldn't
provide
for
the
ability
to
review
any
issues
that
we're
having.
V
Also,
I
would
point
out
that
a
couple
of
other
allowed
uses
are
which
we've
mentioned
before:
are
the
recycling
drop-off
center,
which
isn't
allowed
use
with
a
minor
administrative
review?
We
could
see
how
that
would
have
a
increased
impact
and
again,
unlike
our
private
and
like
a
private
residence,
we
would
be
subject
to
these
conditions.
V
The
second
criteria,
that's
still
out
there-
is
that
proper
zoning
for
the
proposed
use
is
not
available
in
the
neighborhood,
we'll
concede
that
zoning
for
a
tavern
is
available
in
the
general
neighborhood.
However,
that
is
defined.
We
understand.
That's
not
a
defined
term,
but
when
you
look
at
the
zoning,
that's
nearby,
what
wouldn't
be
allowed
and
we'd
be
right
back
here
to
ask
you
for
permission,
would
be
our
primary
use
of
a
bed
and
breakfast
that
use
is
not
allowed
without
a
cup
in
the
adjoining
zoning
areas.
V
So
when
you
look
at
what
we're
proposing
as
a
business
in
its
totality,
we
can't
part
and
parcel
what
we're
asking
to
do
for
a
tavern
in
one
location
and
a
bed
and
breakfast
in
another
location
and
in
some
of
the
areas
we
would
be
back
asking
for
a
cup
for
both
of
the
proposed
uses,
both
our
primary
use
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
and
our
ancillary
uses
as
a
beer
garden
or
tavern.
As
some
of
us
defined
it
and
the
social
events
center.
V
We
would
encourage
council
to
look
at
us
as
the
totality
of
the
situation,
as
opposed
to
just
one
of
our
each
uses
that
that's.
Why
we're
here
for
the
cup
process.
V
As
part
of
this,
we
have
also
looked
at
what
is
available
in
the
neighboring
zones
to
see
if
there
would
be
available
properties
or
locations
as
council
and
other
c
and
past
eups
have
looked
at
while
zoning
is
available
have
found,
because
there
are
no
appropriate
structures,
a
cup
could
still
be
issued,
so
the
applicant
has
taken
the
time
to
go
through
and
look
at
what's
available.
V
Those
findings
were
there
was
nothing
in
those
areas
that
would
be
suitable
for
the
uses,
the
primary
uses,
nor
were
any
of
the
properties
that
are
in
that
area
on
the
market,
where
we
could
actually
purchase
the
property
and
go
in
and
start
the
business
itself
for
this
portion,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
miss
berry.
She
looked
at
all
of
the
zoning,
has
a
few
slides
to
show
you
what
is
available
and
what
isn't
available.
Well.
Clearly,
nothing
is
available
at
this
point,
so
you
can
see
that
again.
V
P
Thank
you,
okay.
So
what
you
see
here
on
this
slide
is
the
nearby
pc
zoning
and
franklin
house
is
the
green
star
kind
of
in
the
middle
there
and
because
it's
kind
of
small,
I
split
it
up
into
two
details.
So
this
is
just
an
overview
of
what's
what's
close
and
we
looked
at
all
the
structures
that
are
in
yellow
so
on
detail
number
one.
It's
again.
This
is
all
pedestrian
commercial.
P
We
have
four
houses
available
in
this
light:
yellow
house
or
this
light
yellow
spot
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen,
and
each
of
them
wouldn't
work
because
they
don't
have
enough
bedrooms,
bathrooms
backyard,
etc.
You
can
see
they're
really
small
they're
occupied
by
counselors
a
refugee
organization,
and
then
the
1612
has
a
pretty
decent
size,
but
it
has
zero
yard
because
there's
a
three-car
garage
and,
I
think,
there's
a
business
operating
out
of
there.
P
I'm
sorry
818
square
feet,
so
they're
just
very
small
and
not
compatible,
and
then
we
didn't
go
further
than
that
because
when
you
go
south
of
this
pc
it
turns
into
c2,
where
you're
now
asking
for
two
conditional
use
permits
rather
than
one.
P
P
All
of
them
would
require
a
cup
and
in
the
c2
district,
so
the
ones
kind
of
in
the
middle
that
would
require
two
c
cops
like
we
discussed
for
both
parts
of
the
business,
the
main
b
and
b
and
the
ancillary
beer
garden.
I'm
not
sure
if
there
is
one
zone
in
all
boise
that
would
have
those
two
without
a
cup.
I
haven't
really
looked
at
that.
L
P
P
We
took
the
map
and
we
talked
with
all
the
neighbors
on
this
map
in
the
circle
green
means
they
approve
the
the
ancillary
beer
garden
and
the
bed
and
breakfast,
and
we
received
signatures
from
someone
at
all.
Those
residences
that
are
green,
yellow
is
an
unaffected
daytime.
Business
and
blue
is
franklin
house
and
brown
is
the
one
neighbor
in
the
radius.
That's
in
opposition,
who
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
from
tonight.
V
So
can
I-
and
I
just
I
just
want
to
bring
up
one
more
thing,
as
you
can
see
that
this
is
the
zoning
that
we're
into
the
franklin
house
is
located
almost
in
a
transitional
area,
we're
on
the
side
of
15th
street,
and
while
there
are
residences
it
is
closer
to
the
pc
zone.
So
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
residential
characteristic
of
it
as
well,
but
we
are
enthusia
as
the
comprehensive
plan
designs
in
a
sort
of
transitional
neighborhood
as
well.
V
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
clear
to
the
council
as
well
that
when
we
look
at
zoning
and
what's
available
to
us,
we
have
tried
to
stay
within
a
close
enough
area.
That
would
allow
us
to
work
and
do
our
primary
use,
while
still
maintaining
the
purpose
of
the
franklin
house.
P
Okay,
in
summary,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
city
council,
for
your
time
in
consideration
of
the
application
and
the
proposed
conditions
of
the
cup
in
an
effort
to
save
the
council's
time.
We
ask
that
the
68
signatures
that
we
collected
and
all
the
residences
in
the
green
be
counted
as
approval
for
our
operating
conditions
from
the
people
who
are
affected
most
by
the
franklin
house.
Those
neighbors
within
the
300
feet.
V
And
just
for
clarification
on
that,
just
the
council
members
know
we
submitted
as
part
of
our
written
comments,
a
petition
in
support
of
the
conditions
once
they
were
released
to
the
public.
That
petition
shows
that
these
owners,
the
one
in
green
this
has
been
discussed
a
lot
with
council
and
we
wanted
to
be
respectful
of
your
time.
We
can
have
those
people
testify
that
we're
in
hopes
that
the
written
submission
of
the
petition
with
the
signatures
and
their
addresses
will
suffice
to
show
the
overwhelming
support
of
the
surrounding
neighbors.
V
So
again,
council.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Sorry
for
the
tag
team.
Everything
is
different
these
days
and
we
look
forward
to
any
questions
or
comments
that
you
may
have
at
the
end
of
everyone's
presentations.
Thank
you.
E
My
question
had
to
do
with
the
signatures.
I
see
the
the
image
that's
still
up
on
the
screen
and
it
looks
like
you've.
You've
listed
everybody
who
approved
and
gave
you
a
signature
or
verbally
some
more
supported,
but
could
not
connect
for
a
second.
My
question
is:
apart
from
that
brown
house.
Is
there
anybody
who
you
asked
for
a
signature
who
declined
to
give
you
one.
P
S
Madam
mayor,
my
question
is,
is
somewhat
similar
and
I
don't
know
that
it's
it's
really
the
main
factor
to
the
decision.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
with
those
daytime
businesses
were
they
contacted
or
were
since
they
were
no
impact.
Were
they
not
contacted
for
the
petitions
and
if
there-
and
if
so,
were
there,
were
they
supportive,
not
supportive,
not
really
caring.
W
Madam
mayor,
yes
go
ahead.
Thank
you
just
to
follow
up
on
councilmember
hallie
burton's
question.
Is
there
a
reason
why
you
didn't
reach
out
to
those
businesses.
P
W
K
Yes,
if
you
could
just
remind
me
how
long
it
has
been
that
you
have
owned
this
property
and
how
long
you've
operated
the
current
business
thanks.
P
We
bought
the
property
in
may
of
2018.,
we
spent
about
a
year
and
a
half
renovating
it.
We
opened
our
ancillary
business
in
july
of
2019
and
the
bed
and
breakfast
and
same
time
right
about
the
same
time.
B
B
The
neighborhood
association
of
record
is
nina
the
north
end,
neighborhood
association.
I
don't
think
that
they
are
speaking,
but
I
just
want
to
check
because
that's
who
would
go
next.
B
Nope
all
right,
they
are
not
so
next
up.
Would
you
all
like
to
go
now
got.
D
A
mayor
I
just
had
somebody
else
raise
their
hand.
Let
me
pull
up
who
that
is
here
a
moment.
Matt
edmund
has
raised
his
hand,
as
has
harry
bohr
hurting,
and
I
don't
know
if
either
one
of
them
are
representatives
of
the
neighborhood
association
as
well
as
dave
ferguson,
okay,
just
a
second
all.
B
Right
we
anybody
that
has
their
hands
raised
right
now.
Will
you
please
lower.
B
P
B
Okay,
so
the
three
or
four
of
you
or,
however,
many
of
you,
raised
your
hands
that
want
to
speak,
you'll,
be
able
to,
and
we've
got
two
residents
that
have
actually
joined
us
in
person
this
evening.
So
we're
gonna
hear
from
them
first
and
then
I'll
start
first
by
calling
down
a
list
of
anybody,
that's
signed
up
in
advance
and
then
those
of
you
that
just
had
your
hands
raised.
B
If
you
weren't
signed
up-
and
I
don't
call
you
then
we'll
get
to
you
before
the
end
of
the
evening-
all
right
with
that
ma'am.
Now
you
can
go
yeah.
I
just
needed
to
make
sure
that
the
neighborhood
association
wasn't
here.
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
F
Ask
you
a
question.
Thank
you.
So,
first
of
all,
you
didn't
address
the
changes
in
conditions
that
have
been
proposed.
Does
that
change
your
mind
at
all.
X
F
Goes
with
the
pro
with
the
current
owner
and
not
with
the
property
and
requires
that
there
not
be
other
appropriate
zones
in
the
area
that
would
allow
it.
As
we've
recently
heard
from
the
applicant
and
I'd
already
deduced,
there
is
no
appropriate
zone
in
the
immediate
area
that
allows
both
a
bed
and
breakfast
and
a.
X
Beer
garden
yeah,
I
don't
know
this-
is
it's
been
a
problem
for
first
neighbors,
it
has
been
a
problem
with
too
much
noise
to
enjoy
the
backyard
in
the
evenings,
which
is
exactly
when
it's
open,
plus
it's
open
on
weekends,
which
businesses
are
not,
and
you
know,
and
being
able
to
leave
your
windows
open
at
night,
plus
just
the
the
traffic
and
the
people
that
are
not
always
appropriate.
If
they've
been
drinking
too
much
and
so
yeah
we
would
rather
not
I
mean
cloud,
nine
is
right
up,
you
know.
X
Y
My
name
is
barney
southard
and
I
live
at
1308
west
franklin.
We
received
the
background
and
proposed
conditions
for
approval
for
franklin
house
two
pages
of
rules
that
franklin
house
would
have
to
abide
by.
There's
nothing
in
these
rules
that
address
the
children
that
live
in
our
neighborhood
children
that
go
to
school
churches
and
playgrounds
every
day.
This
is
our.
This
is
their
neighborhood
too.
What
about
the
effect
a
tavern
would
have
on
them.
Y
Y
Now
that
we
now
they
want
the
zoning
change
and
the
neighbors
be
damned
I've
owned.
Two
bars
and
I
made
sure
that
everything
was
legal
and
in
place
before
moving
ahead
on
a
business
plan.
We
have
lived
at
1308
west
franklin
for
35
years.
During
that
time,
we've
been
able
to
pay
off
our
mortgage.
We
are
not
renters.
Y
Homeowners,
stay
renters,
move
on
a
majority
of
people
in
favor
of
franklin
house
are
renters.
During
the
35
years,
we've
fought
many
battles
to
protect
our
neighborhood
from
developments
that
we
would
take
away
from
our
quality
of
life.
It
seemed
that
city
council
had
our
backs
and
respected
the
north
and
near
north
end
residents
and
our
homes
to
come
up
with
two
pages
of
rules.
To
make
it
right
for
a
tavern
to
do
business
is
bending
the
wrong
way.
Y
S
I
just
want
to
make
a
it's,
not
a
question,
it's
just
a
comment
and
I
feel
like
I
just
need
to
make
it,
because
it's
come
up
with
the
first
two
testimonies
and
that
it's
that
any
testimony
tonight,
I'm
gonna
weigh
the
same
if
it's
a
renter
or
if
it's
a
homeowner,
and
just
because
somebody
is
a
renter
next
door,
I'm
not
going
to
not
take
their
opinion
seriously
or
if
it's
somebody
who
has
moved
here
recently.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
S
B
B
B
B
Z
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
own
the
home
at
1507
west
h
street
directly
across
the
alley
from
the
backyard
of
the
franklin
house.
It's
curious
to
me
how
one
reporting
party
couple
can
see
things
so
differently
from
all
adjacent
neighbors
and
68
people
within
300
feet
of
the
franklin
house.
Z
If
you
remember
the
map
of
the
blocks
and
vicinity
that
jen
and
gavin
presented
you'll
see
that
there's
only
one
residential
objector.
This
is
because
they've
had
a
mission
from
day
one
to
close
the
backyard
at
all
costs
without
taking
constructive
steps
from
the
beginning
to
engage
with
any
of
the
neighbors
in
proximity.
Z
If
they
had
reached
out
to
any
of
us,
they
would
realize
that
the
backyard
serves
a
vital
function,
bringing
the
community
together
in
an
inclusive,
relaxed,
safe
environment.
Despite
what
you
may
hear,
I'd
prefer
to
focus
on
facts.
There
have
not
been
any
validated
complaints
in
one
year
of
operation,
no
parking
issues,
no
disorderly
guests,
no
vandalism,
no
loud
noise,
rising
beyond
the
scope
of
busy
15th
street,
no
declining
home
values.
Z
Z
Nor
should
the
input
of
my
neighbor,
who
moved
in
an
adjacent
to
the
reporting
party
this
summer
after
the
backyard,
had
been
closed,
nor
renters
living
next
door
to
franklin
house.
That's
the
height
of
exclusion,
they're,
okay,
with
their
surroundings
as
long
as
nothing
changes
and
no
one
has
an
opinion
counter
counter
to
theirs
as
one
of
the
neighbors
in
close
proximity,
I'm
proud
of
the
city
council
for
standing
up
for
us
in
the
last
hearing
in
the
words
of
council
president
elaine
clegg
quote,
we'd
like
to
find
a
way
to
work
together.
Z
Z
There
should
be
open
and
constructive
dialogue
and
active
community
building,
not
a
sneaky
effort
to
rally
support
from
people
blocks
away.
Just
to
prove
a
point.
Thank
you
for
recognizing
the
true
intention
of
the
franklin
house
and
the
backyard
which
is
to
build
community
and
to
hear
the
voices
of
those
overwhelmingly
in
support.
Thanks
again,.
D
D
Madam
mayor,
there
is
a
galaxy
a10e
that
I
believe
is
mr
friel,
and
he
is
able
to
speak
all
right.
B
AA
AA
AA
The
rest
are
either
multi-family
or
or
commercial,
meaning
franklin
house
going
around
the
block
around
the
300
square
for
the
300
feet
surrounding
franklin's
house.
You
have
accounted
approximately.
You
saw
the
map
that
miss
berry
presented,
but
a
lot
of
the
residential
you
saw
didn't
indicate
the
high
density
involved.
AA
AA
I
think
we'd
all
like
to
live
on
harrison
boulevard,
but
that's
about
600
feet
away
from
franklin
house
and
it's
just
not
your
standard
family
neighborhood,
I
think,
was
rather
telling
that
there
are
only
nine
children
that
lived
that
live
with
east
of
franklin
house,
and
so
this
is
largely
a
transitional
multi-use
neighborhood
and
we've
gotten
along
pretty
well
up
until
now.
F
Mayor,
yes,
go
ahead,
I
don't
want
to
presume
to
know,
but
I'm
carrying
in
your
testimony
that
you
do
not
oppose
the
beer
garden.
AA
No
I'm
in
favor
of
it.
Thank
you,
madam
councilwoman.
It's
it
fits
in
with
a
vibrant
north
end,
and
I
think
that
if
there
were
a
lot
of
complaints
out
there,
we
would
have
heard
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
complex
police
filings,
which
there
really
hasn't
been
that
many.
AB
AB
AB
Madam
mayor
and
honorable
council
members,
my
name
is
michael
devitt,
my
wife
and
I
have
lived
at
1402
west
franklin
street,
along
with
our
two
children
who
attend
north
junior
high
and
boise
high
school
we've
lived
at
this
address
for
22
years
and
despite
what
you
were
told
earlier
this
evening,
we
live
within
the
300
foot.
Radius
and
jen
did
not
speak
with
us
about
these.
AB
These
new
this
new
proposal,
I've
previously
detailed
before
both
city,
council
and
planning
and
zoning
committees,
the
negative
impact
the
franklin
house
bar,
has
had
on
the
quiet
enjoyment
of
our
property.
A
bar
is
a
nuisance
both
in
the
literal
and
legal
sense.
It
is
for
this
reason
that
a
bar
is
specifically
prohibited
in
our
neighborhoods
r3
zoning.
We
all
know
this.
It's
frustrating
to
think
of
the
hundreds
of
hours
that
my
wife
and
I
and
our
neighbors
have
spent
researching
boise
city
code,
interviewing
people
with
expertise
in
these
areas.
AB
Speaking
with
attorneys
and
preparing
testimony
to
testify
before
powerful
people
like
yourselves
simply
to
protect
our
neighborhood
from
a
business
that
is
already
expressly
prohibited
in
r3
zoning,
a
bar,
the
franklin
house,
submitted
65
signatures
purporting
to
support
a
bar
in
our
neighborhood
of
the
many
signers
that
I
spoke
with.
AB
None
well
one
understood
that
the
bar
was
illegal
and
he
admitted
that
jen
never
said
that
and
other
people
I
talked
to
said
she
never
told
them
that
the
bar
was
illegal.
So
I
would
say
that
makes
my
that
makes
their
signature
somewhat
suspect
if
they
didn't
even
know
what
they
were.
Actually
signing
on
council
gave
franklin
house
the
opportunity
to
demonstrate
good
faith
and
integrity
by
working
with
cody
riddle
to
mitigate
the
negative
effects
of
a
bar
in
our
neighborhood.
Despite
the
fact
that
a
bar
is
it
still
expressly
prohibited
in
an
r-3
zone.
AB
What
franklin
house
proposed
was
a
disappointment
to
our
neighborhood
and
to
those
who
trusted
them
to
put
forth
a
good
faith
proposal.
This
proposal
protects
nothing
but
franklin
house's
bottom
line.
The
mitigating
effects
are
minimal
at
best
and
most
significantly
it
brings
franklin
house.
No
closer
to
meeting
the
six
required
criteria
for
a
special
exception,
not
one
step
closer.
AB
AB
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
council,
members,
tom
anderson,
1416,
west
franklin
street.
I
want
to
address
something
that
president
council
president
clegg
mentioned,
that
the
applicant
had
said
that
for
nearby
areas
they
couldn't
find
something
that
would
allow
their
bed
and
breakfast
only
with
a
conditional
use
permit.
G
Now,
let's,
let's,
let's
imagine
someone
wants
to
they
start
operating
a
a
group
of
bike
bars
on
the
green
belt
and
they
have
four
at
a
time
13
people
on
each
bike
bar
they
get
shut
down
because
bike
bars
aren't
allowed
on
the
green
belt,
so
they
apply
for
a
special
exception
planning
staff
recommends
denial
planning
and
zoning
commission
votes
unanimously
nine
to
zero
to
deny
the
application.
Then
it
comes
to
you.
G
It
sounds
like
everyone's
having
a
wonderful
time
on
those
bike
bars,
and
you
want
to
see
if
there's
some
way
that
this
can
work
and
you
can
approve
it.
So
you
ask
the
applicant
to
submit
a
list
of
conditions
that
would
make
their
operation
acceptable
to
other
users
of
the
green
belt.
They
come
back
with
their
conditions.
G
They
will
operate
only
from
march
15th
to
october
15th
they're
going
to
operate
three
bike
bars
at
a
time,
not
four,
a
maximum
of
35
customers
at
a
time,
except
for
the
20
times
a
year
that
they're
going
to
have
special
events
and
there's
going
to
be
no
limit
to
the
number
of
bike
bars
and
people
on
their
bike,
bars
on
the
green
belt,
they're
going
to
use
residential
speakers
whatever
that
means
for
the
music
on
their
bike
bars,
except
for
the
20
times
a
year
that
they're
going
to
have
special
events,
in
which
case
there's
there's
no
limit
on
their
live
music
or
the
or
the
amplification
that
they're
that
they're
using.
G
G
What
you're
faced
with
today
is
really
no
different
from
that.
The
conditions
the
applicant
proposed,
which
are
the
same
conditions
I
just
mentioned,
do
not
permit
you
to
make
a
finding
that
the
use
will
produce
an
equal
or
reduced
impact
on
the
neighborhood
than
wood
and
allowed
use
planning
and
zoning
staff
planning,
and
zoning
commission
found.
That
quote.
The
proposed
tavern
and
social
events
center
will
produce
a
greater
impact
upon
the
site
and
neighborhood
than
wood
and
allowed
use
allowed
uses
within
the
zone
are
primarily
limited
to
residential
uses.
G
And
zoning
can
recommend
approval,
but
the
application
has
to
go
through
a
higher
level
of
of
scrutiny
where
it
can't
it
can
still
be
denied
by
the
planning
and
zoning,
even
though
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
approved
it.
So
I
I
recommend
that
you
deny
this
application.
Thank
you.
AC
P
AC
There,
I
think,
thank
you.
Okay,
first,
like
to
start
off
by
clearing
up
with
jackie
there's
a.
AD
AC
AC
Mute,
I
don't
know
where
it
is.
Why
don't
you
take
your
computer
to
another
one?
Okay,
sorry,
if
I
could
start
my
three
minutes
now
we're
having
technological
difficulties.
AC
I
I
just
want
to
start
off
it's
shocking
and
absurd
to
me
shocking
and
absurd
that
there
is
such
misrepresentation
going
on
for
first
of
all
for
mr
cole
to
say
that
there's
one
neighbor
and
that
would
be
us
the
brown
mark
on
the
map.
AC
One
neighbor
opposed
to
this
I
mean
I
guess
you
could
you
you
could
try
and
forcefully
say
facts
that
are
false
and
see
if
it
gets
traction.
I
sure
hope
it
doesn't
with
the
city
council
because,
as
you
can
see
from
this
hearing
the
last
hearing
on
the
last
hearing,
there
are
many
many
many
people
opposed
to
this
bar.
It
is
not
just
my
husband
and
me
so,
mr
cole
directed
to
mr
cole.
Please
do
not
spread
that
misinformation
and,
as
far
as
the
map
goes,
that's
just
false.
AC
It's
not
true
that
within
that
area
there
are
no
objectives,
except
for
mr
and
mrs
anderson,
as
you
can
see,
jack
jack
challenger
who
lives
next
door
has
submitted
comments.
He
owns
the
commercial
or
the
office
building
next
door,
he's
opposed
to
it
mike
devitt's
supposed
to
and
she's
auntie
devitt.
We've
all
submitted
comments.
So
let
let
us
start
with
the
foundation
of
truth.
Please
please,
let's
not
spread
misinformation.
AC
Let's
please
start
with
the
truth.
It's
very
frustrating
to
deal
with
misrepresentations.
Now
I
want
to
start
out
by
saying
you
know
the
the
fifth
criteria,
which
was
discussed,
I
think,
by
couple
council
people.
This
is
pretty
clear.
All
over
town,
you
see
hotels
and
bars
that
are
permitted
in
zones.
In
this
case
we
have
a
bed
and
breakfast
in
a
bar
to
say
that
that's
not
permitted
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
is
crazy
because
with
the
cup,
yes,
it
is
permitted
and
do
they
have
to.
AC
AC
AC
D
AC
B
All
right
now
we
can
now
we
can
becky,
I'm
sorry
you
weren't
hearing
me,
I
let
you
go
over
by
quite
a
bit
and
I
was
trying
to
get
you
to
stop
so
I
just
had
to
turn
on
the
mute
for
a
second.
But
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Do
we
have
any
questions?
B
AC
B
T
T
My
name
is
matt
wicklesworth
and
I
am
an
owner
resident
at
1310
west
franklin
street
in
boise.
I
believe
that
the
recommendation
by
city
planners
to
deny
the
conditional
use
permit
for
the
franklin
house
did
not
come
across
very
clearly
in
the
december
city
council
meeting
when
this
was
last
discussed.
T
It
was
very
disappointing
that
the
council
did
not
recognize
the
recommendations
made
by
its
own
planners.
The
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
the
blueprint
for
boise
city
code
anticipates
this
type
of
use
and
expressly
prohibits
it
in
an
r3
zoning.
For
a
good
reason.
A
tavern
has
no
place
among
single
and
multi-family
homes
and
office-based
businesses
on
our
street.
This
is
a
for-profit
bar
that
attracts
patrons
from
around
the
city
for
the
purpose
of
drinking.
T
There
are
so
many
places
that
the
franklin
house
could
operate
this
type
of
business
in
the
commercial
districts
that
surround
our
neighborhood.
This
was
already
talked
about
here
tonight.
The
state
street
corridor
has
locations
for
sale
for
rent
that
would
allow
such
a
business
to
operate.
They
do
not
need
an
exception,
because
this
business
is
viable
elsewhere.
They
made
a
poor
decision
in
their
planning
for
this
business
and
it
expressly
prohibits
second
code.
While
it's
unfortunate
for
the
proprietors,
it's
not
something
that
we
as
residents
on
our
street
and
neighborhood,
should
be
responsible,
for.
T
I
sincerely
hope
that
you
now
have
the
courage
to
deny
this
permit.
You
are
responsible
for
protecting
us
citizens
based
upon
law
and
ordinances.
We
rely
on
you
as
elected
officials,
to
do
the
right
thing,
and
sometimes
that
means
saying
no
to
businesses
that
are
unfit
for
community
bars
are
clearly
inappropriate
in
residential
neighborhoods.
It's
common
sense!
That's
why
code
expressly
prohibits
it.
Furthermore,
this
neighborhood
is
particularly
special
as
it
is
a
designated
historic
district.
It
has
higher
standards
for
maintaining
integrity
and
character
of
historic
homes
that
have
been
here
for
a
long
time.
T
T
And
my
wife,
gillian's
gonna,
know
me.
AE
AE
So
I
just
I'm
gillian
wigglesworth.
I
live
at
1310
west
franklin
street.
Thank
you
for
having
me,
madam
mayor
and
council
members,
and
as
you've
heard,
there
has
been
much
denial
for
this
from
the
planning,
commission
and
planning
and
sowing,
and
also
a
plea
of
owner-occupied
residents
asking
to
uphold
the
zoning
code.
AE
The
applicant
has
exhibited
unashamed
disregard
for
the
zoning
law
by
purchasing
a
residential
property
that
is
not
zoned
for
a
bar
and
then
operating
illegally
for
a
year,
and
I
just
want
to
add
that
I
was
removed
from
the
neighborhood
meeting
on
july,
14th
or
15th,
not
sure
of
the
exact
date,
and
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
proprietors
didn't
want
to
hear
from
neighbors
that
had
any
opposition,
even
though
they
were
affected.
We
weren't
to
them
as
affected
as
anybody
else,
apparently,
because
we
weren't
301
feet
or
300
feet
within
we
as
neighbors.
AE
So
so
the
impact
is
clearly
greater
than
the
legal
businesses
occupying
office
space
with
operation
from
8
to
5
pm
monday.
Through
friday.
These
offices
always
are
inside
and
without
any
influence
of
alcohol
for
their
patrons.
We
as
neighbors
we
receive
your
letters.
The
city's
letters
you
know
the
ones
in
the
know
about
rezoning
the
historic
district
overview
and
preservation
policies.
AE
I
just
got
those
we
abide
by
them.
We
work
with
the
city
as
appropriate
times
when
public
comment
is
requested
with
city
council
entertaining
a
bar
in
our
neighborhood.
I
see
hypocrisy.
The
city
asks
residents
to
engage
and
commit
to
our
historic
neighborhoods
and
be
part
of
an
official
zoning
rewrite,
while
blatantly
disregarding
the
current
zoning
code.
By
giving
this
applicant
another
opportunity
to
propose
a
bar
in
our
neighborhood
food
trucks
and
beer
are
not
an
equal
or
lesser
impact.
I
am
100
against
a
food
truck
that
lures
our
kids
down
the
alley.
AE
It
was
not
said
in
the
conditions,
anything
about
moving
a
truck
into
the
backyard
and
if
we
have
to
go
through
some
officer
to
try
to
figure
that
out,
what's
the
point,
why
it's
just
not?
Okay,
our
children
are
coming
of
age
and
seeking
independence.
Our
neighborhood
without
bars
lends
itself
to
a
neighborhood
an
ease
of
letting
go
as
parents,
as
we
allow
our
kids
to
venture
out
for
their
own
experiences.
AE
Here,
I'd
like
to
read
what
a
student
on
the
what
a
student
wrote
on
the
atmosphere
of
north
junior
high,
which
is
just
a
mere
thousand
feet
away
from
the
bar.
The
north
end
of
boise
surrounds
the
school
on
all
sides:
a
veritable
fortress
of
backyard,
gardens,
overgrown
ivy
and
free
spirits.
AE
It
is
a
distinctive
neighborhood
that
has
influenced
the
school
in
certain,
not
unwelcome
ways.
For
instance,
a
community
garden
is
one
of
the
first
sites
that
greets
the
students
and
their
parents
when
they
drop
them
off
for
the
day
likely
a
site.
Many
students
have
seen
in
their
backyards
or
neighborhoods,
considering
the
north
end
is
infamous
for
his
community
gardening
gillian,
the
hallways.
AE
B
B
D
B
Hi
everybody
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
just
before
we
start
a
couple
things
I
want
to
say
we're
angie
devitt
we're
going
to
start
with
you,
because
now
I
hear
your
your
hands
raised
and
you're
on
your
way
back
from
the
hospital
when
michael
spoke,
spokes,
we'll
start
hey,
angie
a
couple
things
I'm
going
to
ask
everyone
that
raised
their
hands
in
the
future.
If
you're
going
to
be
testifying
on
an
item,
it'd
be
super
helpful.
B
If
you
would
sign
up
in
advance,
I'm
from
a
time
management
perspective
for
us
to
be
able
to
know
and
then
plan.
For
that
it's
helpful
and
of
course
you
could
say
we
should
have
planned,
because
this
happened
with
this
application
last
time
as
well.
But
I'm
just
going
to
ask
many
of
you
are
active
neighborhood
residents.
B
Please
take
advantage
of
our
early
sign
up
so
that
we
can
know
how
many
people
are
coming
and
also
something
was
happening
where,
when
residents
were
talking,
you
weren't
hearing
me
cut
you
off
at
three
minutes,
and
so
some
were
going
quite
a
ways
over.
I've
asked
our
clerk
just
to
mute
folks
at
three
minutes.
So
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
self-police
and
wrap
up
your
comments
by
three
minutes.
B
You
should
be
able
to
see
the
timer,
otherwise
we're
just
going
to
mute,
so
I'm
not
having
to
feel
like
I'm
yelling
at
people,
because
I
don't
mean
to
do
that
at
all.
I'm
just
trying
to
be
heard,
and
with
that
was
there
anything
else.
I
want
to
say:
angie
go
ahead
and
you
go
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
the
clerk
to
call
through
the
folks
that
have
raised
their
hands
thanks.
Everybody.
J
Thank
you
all
right.
Sorry,
sorry
that
I
was
late
and
I've
missed
other
people's
comments,
but
here
I
go
so
we
have
been
at
1402
west
franklin
street
for
22
years,
and
I
am
opposed
to
the
special
exemption
cup
at
1502
west
franklin
for
the
following
reasons:
we
purchased
our
home
in
this
r3
zoning
with
the
laws
that
apply
here
and
expect
that
those
will
not
change
unless
the
zoning
is
changed.
J
It
is
my
my
understanding
that
that
is
how
blueprint
boise
was
was,
I
think,
stated
that
the
zone
zoning
would
be
changed
if
you
guys
decided
that
that
was
appropriate
in
an
area
prior
to
any
changing
of
property.
I
guess
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
thinking
of
the
right
word
but
anyway,
if
it
is
intent
to
change
the
statement,
it
must
be
done
by
first
changing
the
phoning
by
retroactively,
permitting
changes
property
by
property.
J
J
J
A
tavern
is
not
a
new
idea,
since
the
zones
were
put
into
place,
no
matter
how
it
is
dressed
up
to
look.
Otherwise,
it
is
still
a
group
of
people
outdoors
drinking
alcohol,
multiple
nights
a
week,
not
something
with
low
impact
on
a
residential
neighborhood
pnc,
has
unanimously
rejected
the
cup
twice,
based
on
the
six
criteria
not
being
met.
J
It
is
my
understanding
that
it
is
not
your
job
to
help
that
an
applicant
find
a
way
to
make
this
work.
It
is
your
duty
to
uphold
the
zoning
laws
and
conditions
so
that
we
can
predictably
purchase
property
in
a
home
without
fear
of
the
neighborhood
changing
in
the
middle
of
raising
our
families.
Here
we
are
not
in
opposition
to
the
b
and
b
as
neighbors,
and
the
zoning
is
that's
appropriate.
It
is
the
bar
that
is
not
supported
by
either
the
neighbors
or
the
zoning.
AF
Yeah,
how
are
you
doing
yeah
thanks?
I
didn't
think
I
was
gonna
make
it,
but
I
had
sent
a
letter
to
korean
carla.
AF
My
wife
was
watching
this
thing
and
she
heard
my
name
so
she's
like,
and
I
just
walk
into
the
house
and
she's
like
here.
So
I'm
going
to
read
what
I
sent
to
cody
and
and
carly:
that's
okay,
the
letters
so
I'm
carlos
cotto
and
I
live
on
1411
west.
This
man
street.
AF
I
have
testified
at
previous
frankie
franklin
house,
coupe
hearings
and
I'm
happy
to
do
so
again.
I
have
said
before
I
have
nothing
against
breweries
or
wine
bars
or
bars.
I
love
that
bushie
has
a
wide
and
eclectic
array
of
them,
and
many
of
those
are
pretty
close
to
where
the
franklin
house
is
located
with
very
easy
access
to
all
the
neighbors.
AF
I
am,
however,
very
concerned
with
the
disregard
of
city
code
in
this
petition.
It
has
been
said
before,
but
I
will
say
this
again.
This
franklin
house
coupe
does
not
meet
any
of
the
six
required
conditions
for
a
conditional
use
permit.
I
think
that
that
alone
should
be
enough
to
put
this
to
an
end.
AF
AF
AF
If
we're
going
to
use
and
quantify
metrics
such
as
feelings,
the
neighbors
should
carry
more
weight,
we're
gonna
use
actual
conditional
use
permit
requirements
the
fact
that
this
one
doesn't
meet
one
single
of
the
six
that
should
should
definitely
weigh
the
favor
in
the
issue
in
favor
of
the
neighbors
that
oppose
it.
The
neighbors
invested
in
this
area
before
the
franklin
house
was
a
concert
and
they
have
invested
there
because
they
were
protected
by
city
code.
They
have
to
pay
a
premium
for
that.
AF
AG
Here-
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
the
opportunity,
madam
mayor
and
council
president
and
council-
I
I
just
wanna
quickly
note
that
that
I
think
really,
this
is
it's,
it's
become
very
complicated,
but
it's
really
very
simple
and
it
sort
of
is
captured
in
the
opening
lines
of
the
staff
memo
that
was
submitted
for
tonight.
AG
Specifically,
the
planning
team
was
directed
to
explore
a
series
of
conditions
that
might
ensure
compliance
with
the
approval
criteria
and
potentially
allow
the
project
to
proceed.
Well,
as
the
staff
noted
in
their
report
to
the
council,
they
were
not
able
to
come
up
with
conditions
that
would
ensure
compliance
with
the
criteria,
so
the
criteria
stands.
It
remains
in
place
and
the
conditions
that
were
proposed
didn't
get
them
over
the
goal
line,
and
so
that's
that's
really
kind
of
where
we
are.
AG
We
can
go
on
and
on
and
on
about
this,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
legally,
that's
where
we
stand
so
this
whole
process
feels
to
me
an
awful
lot
like
that
old,
saying
it's
easier
to
beg
forgiveness
than
to
ask
permission
in
this
case.
The
asking
permission
would
be
to
respect
the
applicable
city
code,
for
this
property
and
and
to
the
extent
the
council
is
still
leaning
or
might
be
leaning
in
the
direction
of
of
allowing
this.
AG
I
really
ask
you
to
stop
and
think
about
whether
or
not
this
is
the
signal.
The
message
you
want
to
send
to
city
residents
is
this:
how
the
city
wants
its
residents
to
treat
the
city's
laws
to
simply
beg
for
forgiveness,
rather
than
asking
permission
like
like
one
should
do.
It
is
not
the
council's
job
to
fix
what
the
applicant
should
have
addressed
in
their
due
diligence
process
before
buying
the
property.
Again,
this
is
that
concept
of
the
square
peg
in
the
round
hole.
AG
It's
not
your
job
to
pound
that
square
peg
into
the
round
hole,
because
the
applicant
failed
to
do
that
in
in
their
due
diligence
when
they
were
setting
up
this
business.
To
begin
with
the
fact
that
there's
comments
about
no
available
zoning
in
the
areas,
a
bnb
would
have
far
less
impact
on
a
commercial
district
than
a
cat.
A
tavern
does
on
a
residential
district
so
to
say
that
that
they
would
meet
the
same
burden.
Should
they
try
to
move
their
bnb
elsewhere
is
is
really
not
a
strong
argument.
AG
A
tavern
is
in
no
way
equal
to
or
lesser
impact
than
a
residence
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
We
do
not
want
to
have
spot
zoning
anywhere
in
boise,
and
what
you're,
considering
or
what
being
asked
to
consider
is
essentially
spot
zoning.
We
have
a
planning
and
development
staff
and
a
pnz
commission
for
a
reason,
and
it
is
their
subject
matter,
expertise
upon
which
you
should
rely
in
making
the
decision
before
you
tonight.
Thank
you.
R
R
I'd
personally
like
to
see
more
days
open
for
business
and
higher
occupancy
numbers,
but
the
conditions
as
they
stand
seem
to
reduce
the
impact
of
the
backyard
overall
to
immediate
neighbors,
and
I
I
understand
the
value
of
that
I've
already
testified
in
other
meetings
about
how
much
I
appreciate
what
franklin
house
has
given
to
me
in
terms
of
emotional
connection
to
boise
and
my
home
and
my
neighbors
in
the
north
end.
But
the
reason
I
wanted
to
testify
tonight,
in
addition
to
supporting
the
conditions
we're
addressing,
is
more
philosophical.
R
You
know,
I
think
it
was
a
council
member
agent.
Maybe
that
said
in
the
last
meeting,
this
neighborhood
beer
garden,
beer
garden
grew
organically
and
on
the
fringes
of
different
zones
in
a
growing
city
with
evolving
neighborhood
plans,
and
this
is
exactly
where
this
conversation
is
needed.
So
I
know
it's
hard
to
balance,
fear
and
opportunity
and
status
quo
and
growth,
but
it
feels
like
with
mediation
and
amended
conditions
that
included
local
perspectives
and
thirty
thousand
foot
views
and
current
neighborhood
culture
and
an
aspirational
neighborhood
culture.
R
You
know
everything
was
considered
in
a
transparent
way.
So
I
guess
thank
you
and
lastly,
you
know
the
condition
proposed
by
franklin
house
to
have
an
annual
review
and
to
be
held
publicly
accountable
to
their
neighbors
is
great.
It's
in
line
with
this
philosophy,
with
growth
and
with
the
change
that's
already
happening
in
our
city
in
our
neighborhood.
It
means
there's
a
structure
in
place
to
facilitate
ongoing
conversation
and
to
meaningfully
engage
and
listen
to
neighbors.
R
You
know
to
to
know
that
that's
built
into
the
operation
of
franklin
house
is
pretty
exciting.
So
that's
all
for
me.
Thank
you.
H
Hello
good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
council
members,
my
name
is
matt
edmond.
I
live
at
1419,
north
13th
street.
I
may
have
a
somewhat
unusual
perspective
on
this
project.
As
my
family
and
I
have
lived
directly
across
the
street
in
the
hyde
park
pub
for
about
12
years.
When
people
visit
us,
they
often
ask
if
we're
bothered
by
the
noise,
but
the
pub
noise
is
really
a
non-issue.
H
It
wasn't
an
issue
before
we
had
children.
It
wasn't
an
issue
when
we
had
young
children
who
had
to
nap
during
the
day,
and
it's
not
an
issue
now
with
grade
school
kids
who
go
to
bed
in
a
bedroom
facing
the
pub
well
before
last
call
people
sit
on
the
patio
and
chat
as
much
as
neighbors
do
on
their
own
patios.
H
Occasional
music
or
football
games
are
playing
on
the
patio,
neither
of
which
are
concerning
to
us,
and
we
rarely
notice,
unless
we're
going
over
there
to
join
other
people
on
the
patio
or
have
something
to
eat
the
pub's
one
of
our
favorite
neighbors.
We
are
friends
with
the
owner
and
staff
and
they
know
our
kids
by
name,
and
we
look
out
for
each
other.
In
fact,
we've
told
our
children
that
in
case
of
an
emergency,
they
should
go
to
the
pub
to
ask
for
help.
I
feel
incredibly
fortunate
to
have
this
resource
so
close
by.
H
With
this
view,
I've
been
watching
the
franklin
house
evolve,
jen
and
gavin
actively
engage
with
neighbors
to
fully
understand
and
iron
out
potential
issues
with
hours,
music
and
food.
I
believe
that
they
approach
this
business
as
the
true
neighbors
that
they
are
in
a
friendly
and
collaborative
way.
H
B
U
Hi
madame
mayor
honorable
counselor.
B
U
All
right,
awesome,
I'll,
be
brief,
and
I'd
like
to
thank
council
member
hal
burton
for
his
comments
earlier,
giving
me
some
added
courage
to
speak
up
I'll,
get
the
dirty
secret
out
of
the
way
early.
I'm
a
recent
transplant
to
boise
my
name's
ryan
dodie,
my
son
and
I
brian.
U
Live
here
at
307,
north
white
water
park,
boulevard
at
the
white
water
apartments
he
attends
north
junior
high
and
currently
attends
boise
high.
We
moved
here
from
detroit
michigan
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
looking
for
a
safer,
stronger
community
that
I
could
raise
him
in,
and
I
wanted
to
voice
my
support
for
the
franklin
house
and
how
it
embodies
what
makes
boise
such
a
wonderful
place
to
live.
C
U
Sometimes
aren't
felt
as
welcome
when
they
when
they
come
here,
so
that
was
it.
I
appreciate
your
time,
everybody
I
just
wanted
to
to
voice
my
support
for
for
that
community,
it's
a
wonderful
place
and
a
very
safe
and
welcoming
place.
Thank
you.
A
B
B
E
Mr
daddy,
I
don't
ever
speak
on
behalf
of
my
colleagues,
but
I'm
sure
I
do
when
I
say
welcome
to
the
city
of
boise
and
we
hope
that
that
you
and
your
family
find
the
home
that
you're
looking
for
in
the
neighborhood
that
you
want
to
be
and
and
just
welcome
to
boise.
AH
Thank
you
matter
mayor
and
honorable
councilman,
I'm
dave
ferriss
and
I
live
at
1905
north
15th
street
I've
lived
here
for
10
years.
I've
been
a
resident
since
1986,
where
the
air
force
brought
me
here
from
from
southern
california.
AH
I've
lived
a
lot
of
place
in
the
world
and
I
love
to
travel
probably
about
five
times
a
year
to
other
countries,
but
I
love
coming
back
to
boise
because
out
of
all
the
places
I
lived,
I
love
coming
home
just
as
much
as
I
love
going
on.
Vacation
and
I've
never
lived
on
a
place
that
is
like
that
and
I
ride.
I
ride
my
bike.
AH
An
absolute
mixed
use
place
and
I've
watched
that
building
transition
for
the
last
three
owners
or
three
uses,
and
it's
that
in
my
mind
it's
brought
a
a
whole
vibrance
to
that
area
and
improved
the
actual
area
significantly
for
its
look
and
appeal
and
and
how
it's
operated,
having
a
full-time
caretaker.
AH
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
a
full
agreement
with
this
new.
This
special
request-
and
I
know
it
got
denied
by
the
planning
and
zoning,
but
I
would
I
would
hope
that
you
take
in
consideration
the
progressive
ways
that
we
we're
not
going
to
stop
the
growth
here
right
now
and
we
have
to
move
with
the
changes
and
be
able
to
provide
a
way
for
people
to
connect
from
travelers
to
the
people
that
live
here
and
there's
not
another
place.
That
does
it
better
than
the
franklin
house.
AH
I
I
ride
by
all
the
time
and
I
never
hear
anything
any
noise
emanating
format
and
I'm
always
disappointed
when
I
miss
an
opportunity
to
to
go
inside
there.
It's
an
absolute
embodiment
of
this
city,
and
I
think
it's
improving
that
neighborhood
before
I
let
go.
I've
heard
two
people,
including
the
city,
talk
about
quiet
enjoyment
in
real
estate.
I've
been
real
estate
for
18
years.
That
is
not
an
actual
city,
or
it's
nothing
to
do
about
your
your
neighbors.
AH
Being
quiet,
quiet
enjoyment
has
everything
to
do
about
your
title
and
the
ownership
of
property
a
chain
of
title,
so
it
has
nothing
to
do
with
whether
your
neighbors
are
quiet
or
not.
So
that's,
that's.
That's
a
completely
different
animal
all
together.
So
it
has
no
contacts
in
this
in
his
framework.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
I
I
hope
you
take
into
consideration
all
those
signatures
and
and
the
wonderful
thing
that
franklin
houses
have
been
providing
to
our
neighborhood.
B
AI
Sorry
about
that,
madam
mayor
city,
council
members,
my
name
is
john
spangler.
I
live
at
1003
west
fort
in
the
near
north
end,
I'd
like
to
take
a
quick
tangent
and
congratulate
the
city
council
and
the
city
for
an
unbelievably
thoughtful
partnership
on
the
orchard
street
project.
AI
You
picked
a
world-class
partner
with
which
to
work
with
on
such
an
important
project,
and
it's
really
groundbreaking
what
you
guys
are
doing.
AI
AI
AI
The
ad
hoc
bespoke
approach
will
fail
dramatically
as
inappropriate
developers
inevitably
follow
the
population
growth
to
boise.
We
entrust
our
city
leaders
to
follow
and
enforce
and
implement
zoning
laws
to
make
exceptions
to
these
laws.
There
are
procedures
that
must
be
followed
in
this
case
or
in
the
case
of
this
special
exception.
AI
B
B
AJ
AJ
All
right,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
say
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
Thank
you.
Everyone
listening
other
blocks
away
from
franklin
house
I'll
make
this
short
and
possible
this
place.
The
franklin
house
is
not
a
bar:
it's
not
a
drunken
facility
full
of
bad
decisions,
it's
community
area.
This
is
where
people
meet
and
then
learn
about
the
boise
area.
It's
like
a
coffee
space.
AJ
AJ
They
do
it
in
the
very
best
way
possible.
I've
never
seen
anyone
overserved
or
a
mess.
Franklin
house
is
a
place
of
enjoyment,
boise
learning
and
a
great
tourist
spot.
They
also
only
allow
or
only
sell
local
products
which
only
helps
our
community
even
more.
Without
them,
tourists
won't
learn
about
boise
or
all
the
things
that
boise
offers
we're.
We
are
an
open
community,
boise,
not
a
drunken
one
again.
This
is
not
a
tavern
or
a
pub.
It's
a
community
space
allow
them
to
allow
for
further
growth
in
downtown
boise.
D
B
AJ
Sorry,
I'm
10
15
north
27th
street
boy,
seattle.
AJ
AK
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
city
council
members.
My
name
is
kelly
olsen.
I
live
at
1307,
north
13th
street,
where
I
own
my
house,
and
I
have
recited
here
for
33
years
and
have
a
lot
of
first-hand
experience
with
hyde
park.
Where
today
we
have
10
establishments
with
serve
alcohol
and
most
of
them
operate
responsibly,
but
within
every
year
pretty
much
every
year
you
can
check
the
police
records.
AK
We
have
multiple
cars
that
are
parked
along
13th
street
that
are
get
hit
and
it's
usually
a
hit-and-run
incident,
and
most
of
them
are
traced
to
people.
Who've
been
visiting
hyde
park
and
they
leave
those
establishments,
probably
with
too
much
alcohol.
So
you
know
there
are
impacts
in
these
residential
neighborhoods.
AK
I'm
opposed
to
the
proposed
conditional
use
permit
for
all
the
reasons
that
the
nearby
neighbors
have
already
stated.
You
know,
first
and
foremost,
your
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
your
own
staff
have
clearly
shown
that
this
application,
even
with
the
revised
conditions
and
concessions,
does
not
meet
all
six
criteria
for
a
special
exception
to
the
r3
zoning
code,
which
explicitly
prohibits
this
use.
B
AD
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
that's
better?
Yes,
okay,
okay!
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
and
city
council
members.
Sorry
I'm
a
little
nervous.
This
is
my
first
time
doing
this,
but
my
name
is
alexa
roitman
and
I'm
a
renter
at
1514,
west
washington
street.
AD
AD
Once
I
moved
here
and
realized
that
I
was
a
half
a
block
away
from
franklin
house,
I
became
really
excited
to
know
that
this
new
community-
that
I
was
a
part
of,
was
cultivating
such
awesome
and
wonderful
experiences
already
with
travelers
as
well
as
the
community
outside
the
area.
I
do
want
to
point
out.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
some
things
about
transitional
use
areas
and
mixed
areas.
I
know
just
another
block,
half
a
block
away
from
me.
AD
There
is
a
building
that
is
being
permitted
to
build
where
the
shell
station
is,
that
is
going
to
increase
traffic
by
exponential
rates.
I'm
sure
also
not
to
mention
the
boise
high
school
when
they
have
their
football
games.
That
is
incredibly
loud
every
weekend,
but
it's
also
about
community
and.
AD
W
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
alex.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
the
time
to
participate
in
our
hearing
tonight
and
especially
when
it
was
a
little
scary
for
you.
I
think
that's
wonderful
and
thank
you
for
representing
renters
so
well
from
a
fellow
renter.
Thank
you.
AL
Hi,
my
name
is
janae
grant
I
live
today.
Oh
no
you're!
Fine!
I
get
it
all
the
time,
so
I
live
at
626
west
fort
street
apartment
number
one
in
boise.
I
too,
I'm
a
fellow
renter.
I've
been
here
for
five
years.
First
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
you
all
taking
the
time
to
listen
and
working
with
the
applicants
on
such
a
unique
situation,
as
our
elected
officials
answered.
AL
Okay,
perfect
all
right,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think
you
all
are
doing
an
amazing
job
as
our
elected
officials
and
taking
the
time
to
really
listen
and
working
with
the
applicants
on
such
a
unique
situation.
So
thank
you
on
that.
I
have
read
the
terms
that
forth
by
the
applicants
and
think
they've
done
really
an
amazing
job
at
working
with
the
community
and
adapting
to
what's
seems
to
be
a
great
area
for
my
understanding
and
kind
of
accommodating
them.
AL
One
of
the
reasons
I
do
love
boise
is
for
the
sense
of
community
that
we
have
here,
and
hopefully
it
still
remains.
Luckily
it
still
remains
right.
Now,
franklin
house
does
really
encompass
that,
and
so
so
is
the
fact
that
you
all
are
taking
the
time
and
really
considering
so
many
angles
on
this.
AL
Unfortunately,
the
truth
is
our
city
is
growing,
whether
someone
likes
it
or
not,
but
it
is
happening.
I
think
that
if
our
city
is
going
to
grow
with
owners
that
are
like
jen
and
gavin
and
businesses
that
are
like
franklin
house
that
are
so
welcoming
and
opening
to
the
public
newcomers,
people
of
all
walks
of
life,
then
I
for
one
am
completely
for
our
city
growing
and
I
think
we
need
more
people
like
that.
AL
So
for
me
I
am
completely
for
the
conditions
proposed
and
appreciate
your
time
and
consideration
and
hearing
me
today.
Thank
you.
N
AM
AM
At
the
meeting,
the
board
voted
in
support
of
the
neighbors
and
recommended
denial
of
the
issuance
of
an
exceptional
use
permit
for
operation
of
the
patio
bar.
Therefore,
nena's
position
is
to
support
the
current
zoning
code,
which
does
not
allow
operation
of
the
bar
or
tavern
in
an
r
3c
residential
zone
in
which
franklin
house
is
located.
AM
Thank
you.
The
board
and
officers
of
the
north
end
neighborhood
association,
so
and
then
I'd
like
to
add
a
couple
of
my
comments
with
and
that's.
We
are
fighting
to
preserve
the
heritage
to
preserve
our
neighborhood.
AM
Many
years
ago,
our
predecessors
forwarded
formed
a
north
end,
historic
neighborhood
association,
and
now
we
are
engaged
in
a
battle
to
preserve
it
from
attack
by
developers
and
entrepreneurs,
not
that
they
are
bad
or
evil,
but
that
they
operate
for
personal,
not
for
social
or
community,
common
good
to
hold
them
in
check.
Zoning
laws
were
created
and
the
franklin
house
ignored
those
master
plan
laws
and
the
zoning
laws
and
they
operated
illegally
for
a
while.
AN
Thanks
for
having
me,
I
live
at
1318
west
franklin,
I'm
gonna
keep
this
pretty
short
because
we
have
I've
submitted
several
testimonies
already,
and
I
just
I
want
to
urge
the
council
members,
I'm
sure
you
all
have
just
to
read
all
the
written
testimony,
because
I
sort
of
I
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
into
that,
and-
and
I
just
think
it's
very
important
that
that
you
go
through
all
of
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
rehash
all
of
that
here.
AN
AN
AN
That
they
enjoy
at
the
franklin
house
I
mean
well,
that's
my
home,
you
know
I
live,
I
live
a
block
and
a
half
away,
and
this
is
the
home
that
I've
invested
in
that
my
family
lives
at
it's
very
special
to
us,
and
I
think,
unlike
I
did
hear
one
person
talk
about
how
they
live
across
the
street
from
a
bar
at
hyde
park.
AN
AN
So
I
I
just
urge
you
to
keep
that
in
mind
and
to
think
about
that
in
in
to
think
about
not
just
the
homeowners
but
the
renters
who
have
lived
here
for
a
long
time
that
that
have
counted
on
the
earth
rezoning
to
protect
us
and
and
protect
our
way
of
life,
and-
and
I
know
that
the
the
zone
there's
a
thin
margin
between
the
state
street
corridor
and
more
commercial
corridor
and
in
the
more
residential
area.
AN
But
but
it's
a
very
special
zone
and
I
think
it's
what
we
love
about
this
place
in
in
that
comes
with
the
project,
with
the
protections
that
the
zone
provides
us.
So
please
consider
that
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
AO
No
worries,
my
name
is
harry
borchling.
I
live
at
1424
west
franklin
street,
which
makes
which
makes
me
a
direct
neighbor
towards
franklin
home.
I'm
going
to
speak
quickly
because
I
have
a
lot
of
things
I
want
to
say:
I've
been
listening
very
carefully
and
while
I
appreciate
the
opinions
of
all
my
neighbors
out
of
all
the
people
that
have
spoken,
I
have
heard
nine
that
I
would
actually
consider
to
be
neighbors.
By
that
I
mean
living
within
a
10
block.
AO
Radius,
1310
west
franklin
street
two
people
spoke
against
that
which
is
one
entity,
one
home
nine
houses,
two
streets
in
between
including
15th
street
1308,
west
franklin,
two
people
spoke
one
entity,
eight
houses,
two
streets
in
between
15
streets,
included,
1318,
west
franklin,
street
seven
homes
in
between
two
streets,
including
15th
street
1402,
west
franklin
street
five
homes
in
between
including
15th
street.
My
point
with
saying
this
is
yes:
it's
fine
that
our
neighbors
can
express
any
concerns
they
have.
AO
But
honestly,
I
could
scream
out
of
my
house
facing
1310
west
franklin
street,
which
is
nine
homes
away
and
yell
their
names,
and
they
would
never
hear
me.
That's
just
the
truth:
that's
that's
just
distance.
The
one
exception
would
be
my
next-door
neighbors,
the
andersons
who
live,
I
believe,
14,
whatever
14
16..
AO
So
my
point
is:
is
that
while
we
can
have
some
concern
with
change
or
growth,
it's
a
little
unfair
to
say
this
directly
impacts
me
if
there
are
people
over
there
being
responsible
and
we
would
hold-
and
I
would
hold
the
business
owners
at
franklin
house
responsible
for
that,
I'm
barely
going
to
hear
it
much
less
people
that
are
nine
homes
away,
and
I
think
that
should
matter
as
far
as
the
weight
of
the
arguments.
The
other
thing
that
I've
heard
a
lot
about
is:
is
I've
lived
here
forever?
AO
This
is
the
way
it
is.
I
don't
want
it
to
change.
I
can
appreciate
a
sense
of
self-entitlement.
That's
excellent,
but
people
that
are
self-entitled
should
not
go
ahead
and
expound
that
on
to
people
outside
of
them.
By
that
I
mean
somebody
that
lives
next
to
me
might
feel
like
they've
lived
here
for
20
years
and
they're
entitled
to
a
certain
way
of
life,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I
think
they
are.
AO
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
there
would
be
a
mutual
compact
that
if
you
live
in
a
city
with
a
growth
that
you're
not
going
to
really
be
able
to
say,
I
don't
ever
want
this
to
change
in
the
next
10
years.
Boise
is
going
to
change
in
a
way
with
population
growth.
That's
going
to
blow
all
of
our
minds,
there's
no
way
to
stop
that
any
of
the
people.
Who've
spoken
against
franklin
house.
AO
We
can
go
on
to
the
west
coast,
stand
at
the
pacific
ocean,
join
hands
and
try
to
turn
the
tides
and
we'll
have
the
same
kind
of
result
with
turning
the
tides
as
we
would
with
stopping
growth.
So
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
a
little
more
flexible
with
the
idea
that
yeah
there's
codes
and
we
need
to
follow
that,
but
also
there
are
exemptions
and
there
are
exceptions
when
we
have
a
good
neighbor
and
responsible
free
and
responsible
neighbors.
AO
Like
franklin
house,
I
think
we
need
to
consider
what
this
is,
what
they
offer
and
what
they
bring
to
the
table
and
not
just
get
locked
into
our
ways
of
I've
lived
in
paradise.
For
20
years-
and
I
don't
want
my
paradise
to
change-
I'm
sorry-
I've
lived
in
here
for
four
months
and
I
feel
like
my
property
rights-
are
the
same
as
anyone
that's
lived
here
any
amount
of
time.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Council.
B
B
V
We
can
see
and
hear
you,
okay,
wonderful,
let
us
know
if
it
gets
a
little
quiet.
We
just
have
a
few
issues
that
we
would
like
to
address
on
in
rebuttal.
Again,
as
I
had
said
earlier,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
ground
that
we
covered
today
had
previously
been
discussed
with
the
with
council
and
some
of
which,
I'm
probably
going
to
say,
has
been
discussed
with
council.
We
do
we
want
to
make
clear
that
an
agreement
statements
that
were
made
earlier.
We
understand
that
we
are
not
asking
for
a
rezone.
V
We
are
asking
for
a
conditional
use
permit
and
the
type
of
conditional
use
permit
that
we're
asking
for
is
a
smaller
subset.
I
think
of
what
people
are
normally
used
to
dealing
with,
but
it
is
still
a
conditional
use
permit
to
permit
uses
subjected
conditions.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
we're
not
asking
for
a
rezone
as
well
and
just
hitting
a
few
of
the
high
points
that
were
addressed
by
the
comments.
V
V
Again,
our
primary
business
is
a
bed
and
breakfast
and
having
the
type
of
crowd
that
you
would
see
at
a
blues
bouquet
or
the
cactus
or
any
of
the
downtown
bars
on
a
saturday
night,
while
wonderful
and
I've
been
a
patron
of
them,
is
not
what
the
back
door
the
backyard
is
as
part
of
our
ancillary
use.
This
is
a
high-end
bed
and
breakfast
with
an
ancillary
use
of
a
beer
garden
to
provide
another
service.
V
Our
guest
bedrooms
overlook
the
backyard
so
having
people
that
some
would
maybe
tonight
seem
to
suggest
for
undesirable,
doesn't
support
our
business,
which
is
why
we
were
able
to
put
these
noise
limitations
in
place.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
the
same
is
true
with
the
food
checks.
There
won't
be
multiple
food
trucks,
as
you
saw
in
our
conditions.
V
You
are
correct
that
we
didn't
go
out
and
say
we
have
an
illegal
tavern.
What
was
explained
to
the
people
who
signed
is
that
we
were
seeking
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
for
the
conditioned
use
of
the
backyard
as
part
of
the
bed
and
breakfast
everyone
was
notified
of
that,
and
they
were
aware
of
what
the
conditions
were
to
say
that
we
purposely
excluded
residents.
V
Maybe
there
was
a
misunderstanding,
but
we
took
the
map
that
was
provided
us
from
the
city
that
showed
the
300
foot
radius
and
those
were
the
residents
that
we
went
to.
No
one
was
purposely
excluded,
but
we
needed
to
put
a
limit
on
who
we
were
going
to
ask,
as
opposed
to
going
to
everyone
and
stuck
with
the
most
direct
directly
impacted
people
with
respect
to
the
continued
conversations
regarding
criteria
5,
the
zoning,
whether
the
people
who
testify
tonight
believe
that
it
would
be
an
easier
cup
or
an
easier
process.
V
If
we
were
in
another
zone
to
try
to
get
a
tavern
that
isn't
unknown
to
us.
We
know
what
the
process
would
be
to
move
our
primary
purpose
into
another
zone
which
again
there
are
no
homes
available
at
this
time.
To
do
that,
which
does
have
an
impact,
and
at
least
one
other
cep
that's
been
issued,
and
I
realize
that
all
cups
are
evaluated
based
on
the
facts
at
hand.
Staff
was
over
was
able
to
overcome
the
lack
of
or
the
nearby
zoning
by
a
finding
of.
V
There
was
no
availability
of
suitable
buildings
in
the
adjacent
zone
for
the
requested
use,
and
that
was
the
bare
island
cup,
which
I
can
provide
you
the
number
of,
but
I
only
have
limited
time
so
I'll
get
back
to
you.
Special
events
were
raised
that
we
were
going
to
have
unlimited
noise
during
special
events.
I
would
again
point
out
that
our
conditions
say
that
the
tvs
would
be
used
during
special
events.
V
The
residential
speakers
would
not
be
used
during
the
special
events
and
the
tvs
would
be
limited
to
the
same
decibel
limits
that
we've
proposed
for
the
residential
speakers
and
to
show
how
serious
the
franklin
house
is
about
this
and
the
conditions
and
how
we
can
implement
them
and
how
we
can
be
a
member
of
this
transitional
part
of
the
community
we've.
We
have
suggested
not
one
but
two
compliance
methods,
one,
the
annual
compliance
method.
V
That
council
has
recently
approved
for
another
cup
in
addition
to
using
the
neighborhood
contact
officer
during
the
year
of
the
annual
review
process
period,
to
mitigate
and
mediate
any
concerns
that
may
be
raised
by
neighbors
during
that
time,
using
a
process
that
wouldn't
put
additional
undue
burdens
on
staff
to
oversee
our
permit.
And
the
last
thing
I
have
is.
V
F
Madam
mayor,
yes,
a
couple
of
questions
of
jan
and
gavin,
the
regarding
the
special
events,
as
I
read
it,
those
could
be
outside
the
monday
through
saturday
night
and
at
the
number
of
20.
If
those
happen
primarily
during
the
busiest
months
there
could
be
four
or
five
a
month,
how
did
you
arrive
at
the
number
of
20.
P
Gavin's
got
the
better
answer
here,
he's
talking
to
you
over
the
counter
top.
We
looked
at
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
we
kind
of
looked
at
how
how
often
we
had
special
events
and
then
we
took
that
and
we
just
kind
of
projected
it
over
the
months
that
we'd
be
open
from
me
until
october.
B
P
We
would
like
to
have
flexibility
to
either
have
them
on
the
days
that
we
are
open
or
on
a
day
that
we
are
not
open.
I
think
most
special
events
that
we've
had
in
the
past
have
happened
on
thursday,
friday
saturday,
sunday,
so
they're,
most
of
them
probably
going
to
be
overlapping,
but
if
we
do
get
an
event
that
wants
to
happen
on
a
monday
that
you
know,
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
do.
N
Them
evening,
going
away
party
for
somebody
who
left
their
business
right
like.
W
You,
madam
mayor,
so
I
have
a
question
somebody
had
men
made
mention
of
of
there
being
police
reports.
Is
that
true?
Have
there
been?
Has
there
been
police
reports
made
and
if
so,
how?
Many
and
what
was
that
about.
P
Yeah,
okay,
so
I
guess
it
depends
on
how
you
how
you
define
report,
but
four
times,
people
that
spoke
tonight
called
the
police
and
the
police
came
by
and
checked
our
alcohol
licensing,
noise.
Everything
and
then
wrote
a
report
that
there
was
no
issues
theme.
W
How
far
apart
were
those
reports
made?
Do
you
know.
P
S
Cody,
so
a
couple
questions,
so
we've
we're
clear
that
there
is
zoning
in
a
300
foot
radius.
That
would
allow
a
tavern,
but
the
applicant
has
said
that
there
isn't
anything
that
would
allow
a
tavern
plus
a
bed
and
breakfast
is
that
correct.
M
Madam
mayor
council,
member
halliburton,
during
the
testimony
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
that
and
the
closest
zoning
that
would
allow
both
is
the
c5
zone.
It's
our
central
business
district,
which
is
clear
across
state
street
as
you
get
into
the
into
the
downtown
core,
so
that
was
that
was
a
fair
characterization
on
their
part.
Yes,.
S
And
madam
mayor
just
a
couple
follow-up
questions,
so
if,
if
that's
the
case
and
you're
looking
at
number
five,
could
it
then
be
interpreted
that
there
is
indeed
no
zoning
in
the
surrounding
area
or
does
the
ability
to
have
a
conditional
use
permit
negate
that
if
that
makes
sense,
I
can
reword
it,
or
does
it
make
sense?
I
can
reward
it.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
howie
burton,
I
I
think
it's
written
in
a
way
between
that
and
the
that
other
finding
that
that
second
finding
in
question,
there's
there's
certainly
some
room
for
for
interpretation
or
some
some
subjectivity.
There.
S
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
halliburton,
I
think
that's
fair
in
in
the
past,
and
I
remember
the
case
they
they
referenced
a
little
bit.
Certainly
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
elements
of
our
our
comp
plan
and
zoning
code
that
that
encourage
adaptive
reuse,
especially
in
these
eight
areas
that
are
that,
are
you
know,
transitioning.
So
I
think
it's
fair
to
consider
that
sort
of
thing.
S
Yeah
and
maybe
maybe
I'll
just
reword-
that
they
said
that
there
wasn't
anything
else
that
was
available
for
sale
in
that
area,
so
that
that
is
why
section
number
five,
you
know
potentially
didn't
qualify
us
because
there
wasn't
anything
available
at
that
time,
but
that
availability,
that's
not
what
number
five
is
referring
to.
Is
it.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
hallie
burton
no,
no,
it's
it's
not,
but
they
they.
I
think
they
were
using
that
and
they
could
probably
better
better
respond
to
that.
They
were
using
that
to
kind
of
summarize
just
what
what
the
availability
of
zoning
that
there
wasn't
available
buildings
with
the
appropriate
zoning
in
the
area-
and
I
think,
that's
fair
to
say.
F
Brothers,
madam
mayor,
since
we're
at
staff,
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
too
councilmember
hallie
burton
asked
the
first
one
about
the
zoning.
I
have
another
one
about
zoning
cody
in
our
use
table.
It
talks
about
classification
of
new
and
unlisted
uses
and
that
it's
up
to
the
director
to
interpret
the
zoning
classification
into
the
classifications
that
it
should
be
placed.
F
M
Madam
mayor
council
member
clay
sort
of
elements
of
all
of
those
honestly
it
doesn't,
it
honestly
doesn't
fit
any
of
those.
I
don't
think
you
can
say
this
is
solely
a
tavern.
It's
it's!
It's
not
solely
an
event
center.
There.
You
know
there.
There
are
events
held
there.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
combination
of
all
of
them.
F
Thank
you
and
then
next
question
about
the
zoning
as
I'm
reading
our
use
table
and
thinking
about
the
roosevelt
market,
for
instance,
there
is
not
a
classification
that
I
can
find
in
our
use
table
which
would
allow
the
roosevelt
market
to
be
reopened,
as
it
was
as
a
grocery
and
a
place
that
served
alcohol
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
In
this
case
in
an
r
one
I
believe
neighborhood.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
that's
that's
correct
with
something
like
that
where
it's
it's
a
non-conforming
use
that
can
be
made,
you
know,
can
be
maintained.
I
can
also
there's
a
provision
in
the
code
where
it
can
be
converted
to
another
non-conforming
use
of
equal
or
lesser
impact
with
a
zoning
certificate,
and
then
I
believe
it
states
that,
with
the
conditional
use
permit,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
greater
impact,
it
can
be,
it
can
be
converted.
M
F
Yeah
yeah,
I
wasn't
trying
to
make
the
case
that
that
this
was
similar.
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
if
we
have
anything
in
our
zoning
code
that
allows
these
kinds
of
uses
in
residential
neighborhoods
that
we
historically
had
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
can't
find
anything
I
just
was
wondering
if
I
was
correct.
L
A
mayor
yes
go
ahead,
I
have
a
question
for
cody
and
maybe
it
was
my
lack
of
reviewing
the
full
record
quite
as
thoroughly
as
I
should
have
cody.
Have
there
been
any
enforcement
actions
taken
toward
franklin
house
for
their
operation
of
the
beer
garden
in
the
backyard?
L
M
Mayor
councilmember
woodings
that
that's
really
what
brought
it
to
our
attention.
Honestly,
we
we
issued
a
zoning
certificate
to
allow
the
bed
and
breakfast
that
was,
that
was
our
first
or
most
recent
action
and
then
began
receiving
complaints,
and
so
that
is
when
code
enforcement
got
involved
and
the
remedy
was
to
seek,
seek
proper
approvals.
And
so
that's
that's.
Why
we're
before
you.
L
So
they
there
have
not
been
any
punitive
actions
or
citations
or
anything
issued
by
the
city
for
their
illegal.
M
Operation,
madame
air,
con
council
member
weddings-
no,
not
not
today,.
L
L
L
M
L
B
Yeah,
no,
I
understand
that,
given
that
you're
asking
about
potential
enforcement
and
the
legal
arguments
that
could
or
could
not
be
made
against
that
it'd
be
best
that
that
not
be
provided
just
off
the
cuff
from
the
bench.
But
perhaps
after
this
hearing,
if
you'd
like
to
follow
up
a
more
discussion
could
be
had.
B
A
S
A
couple
more
questions,
cody,
so
at
the
last
meeting
I
believe
I
originally
voted
against
and
it
really
had
to
do
again
with
with
two
and
five
and
under
the
special
exceptions
and
so
number
two
is
the
use
will
produce
an
equal
or
reduced
impact
upon
the
site
or
neighborhood
that
would,
and
that
wouldn't
allow
use
what
are
some
of
the
other
allowed
uses.
I
know
we
hear
recycling
center,
but
elaine
or
council.
S
President
clay
brought
it
up
last
time
that
that's
an
allowed
use
in
every
area
when
we're
interpreting
this
we
can
interpret
of
anybody
could
apply
for
anything.
So
it's
not.
What's
in
it's
not
what's
there
right
now,
it's
what
it
could
be
allowed
to
do,
and
so,
with
the
conditions
that
they've
put
in
place
to
reduce
the
amount
of
people
there
to
reduce
the
amount
of
events.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
in
my
head
is
compare
what
are
the
other
allowed
uses
and
with
the
new
conditions
that
they
put
on
them?
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
halliburton,
I
believe
it
does.
I
mean
there
are
a
range
of
allowed
uses,
multi-family
residential
you
know
and
then,
through
through
conditionally
conditionally
allowed
uses,
you
have
offices,
child
care
facilities,
churches
event,
centers
that
you
know.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
if,
if
this
is
conditioned
appropriately,
you
know
from
your
perspective,
it
would
be
a
similar.
M
A
similar
impact.
You
know
beyond
that,
just
outright
allowed
uses
are,
are
really
your
single
family
homes,
duplexes
and
smaller
multi-family
projects,
so
that
that's
that's
really
what
we're
looking
at.
M
Especially
a
special
exception
is
a
use,
that's
not
otherwise
allowed
the
the
use
table
has
a
list
of
outright
allowed
uses
that
require
no
no
discretionary
approval
by
the
city,
and
that
would
really
be
like
a
duplex
single
family
home.
Some
of
the
smaller
child
care
facilities
conditionally
allowed
uses
you
get
into
things
like
you
know,
churches
special
event
centers.
M
I
suppose
schools
might
be
a
good
good
comparison.
You
know
the
the
operating
characteristics
are
very
different,
but
certainly
certainly
other
things
that
do
generate.
You
know
noise
and
activity
beyond
what
you'd
see
in
a
single
family
home
could
occur
in
in
this
zone.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
halliburton,
we've
we've
really
looked
at
it
both
both
ways.
I
mean
just
just
what,
with
what
with
the
zoning
in
place,
what
might
you
see
on
that
site
and
there's
a
range
of
both
allowed
and
conditionally
allowed
uses,
and
so
this
this,
if
approved,
if
you're
saying
it,
would
have
an
equal,
you
know
or
comparable
impact.
I
suppose
you'd
probably
be
talking
some
of
those
conditionally
allowed.
You
know
more
intense
uses
and
that,
if
you
condition
it
appropriately,
it
would
have
have
the
same
impact.
F
N
F
Ahead,
cody,
I
know
we're
getting
in
the
weeds
here,
but
I
think
it's
important
under
the
allowed
uses,
there's
also
a
category
that
requires
administrative
review
to
ensure
that
there
are
conditions
in
place
to
make
that
allowed
use
compatible.
M
The
other
screen
and-
and
we
do
in
that
zone-
you
know
we
have-
we
have
multi-family
residential
buildings
up
to
20
units
per
acre.
That
would
be,
you
know,
allowed
through
through
design
review
some
multi,
a
single
building
up
to
20
units
per
acre
again
allowed
the
bed
and
breakfast
that
they're,
already
operating,
isn't
allowed,
isn't
allowed
use
in
that
zone.
M
Madam
mayor
councilman
clegg,
I
certain-
I
certainly
think
it's
fair
to
include
that
list.
Yes,.
W
Mayor
I'll
take
my
last
chance
so
cody
I
had
a
question
about
what
is
allowed
now
it
it.
It
seems
like
the
beer
garden,
is
the
part
that
really
has
people
up
in
arms,
so
you
know
they're
using
their
their
location
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
is
there
anything
based
on
how
things
are
now
preventing.
W
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
sanchez,
I
I
think
we'd
have
had
a
have
a
hard
time
saying
that
would
be.
That
would
be
prohibited.
I
think
where
it
where
it
starts
to
you
know,
I
guess
flirt
with
being
another
use,
is,
is
the
other
commercial
aspect
of
it,
the
you
know
the
liquor
license
and
that
the
general
public
is
invited
in
as
opposed
to
to
guests,
but
you're,
absolutely
right
with
the
with
the
bed
and
breakfast
you
could
bring
in
your
own.
W
So,
for
example,
if
you
know
I
live
here
in
boise,
I
live
in
the
north
end
and
I
have
family
visiting
from
out
of
town
and
I
say
stay
at
the
franklin
house
and
then
I'll
come
over
and
have
a
few
drinks
with
you
out
on
the
patio.
There's
nothing
preventing
something
like
that,
but
it
would
be
attached
to
a
guest
and
that.
B
K
K
Okay
and
madame
mayor,
one
follow-up
as
well
is
we're
also
looking
to
review
this
again
after
one
year
cody.
Thank
you.
M
I
clicked
wrong.
I
almost
got
through
the
whole
evening,
madam
mayor
councilmember,
thompson
that
that's
they're
they're
willing
to
to
you
know,
participate
in
an
annual
review,
a
one-year
one-year
review
that
would
allow
council
and
the
neighborhood
to
provide
input
on
just
how
it
how
it's
been
operating.
Yes,
thank
you.
Cody.
F
AG
F
Cody
in
the
conditions
that
were
proposed,
if
we
were
to
go
forward
with
this,
there
was
a
request
that
this
be
transferable,
but,
as
I'm
reading
our
special
exceptions,
it
is
they're,
not
transferable,
and
so
we'd
have
to
make
that
finding
is
that
correct
special
exceptions,
be
a
special
exception,
shall
be
non-transferable
through
assignment
sale
or
other
means
of
convenience
without
written
acknowledgement
by
the
assignee,
purchaser
or
conveyey.
I
guess
that
would
allow
it
if
the
city
signed
off
on
it,
but
is
it
what
what
would
be
the
typical
process
there.
M
Madam
mayor
councilmember
clay,
I
don't
recall
where
we've
had
you
know.
We
do
so
very
few
special
exceptions
where,
where
they've
been
transferred,
the
typical
conditional
use
permit
just
runs
with
the
land
you
know
in
in
this
case
a
condition
of
the
approval
could
requ
could
be
could
require.
Just
that
you
know
written
acknowledgement
to
the
city.
M
You
know
requiring
compliance
with
the
conditions
of
approval.
We
could
look
at
some
sort
of
a
require,
some
sort
of
a
deed
restriction,
so
ownership
of
the
property
transfers
that
it's
you
know
that
it's
on
the
title
that
might
be
a
good
way
to
capture
it
as
well.
So
I
think
there
would
be
ways
to
approach
that.
Certainly.
B
All
right,
it
looks
like
we've
exhausted
the
questions
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
it's
time
for
deliberation
before
we
start.
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
that
called
in
the
applicant
cody
for
your
hanging
through
with
all
those
questions
with
us
and
everyone
that
called
in
tonight
to
participate.
It
was
good
to
see
your
voice
to
see
your
faces,
some
of
you
and
to
hear
your
voice,
as
others.
N
E
D
E
Madam
mayor
there's
not
proper
zoning
for
the
proposed
use,
which
is
a
bed
and
breakfast
with
a
small
outside
facility
for
selling
beer
alcohol
in
the
general
neighborhood.
The
closest
one
is
c5
in
the
downtown
corridor
and
that's
not
in
the
general
neighborhood,
that's
factor
five
and
then
as
to
factor
two.
E
This
is
probably
more
impact
than
a
single
family
home,
but
it's
still
less
impact
than
the
types
of
allowed
uses
that
we
allow,
including
conditionally
in
this
type
of
in
this
type
of
zone,
and
then
the
third
factor,
I
think
that's
really
important
to
remember-
is
that
our
land
use
map
and
plan
for
this
area
is
mixed
use.
Although
this
is
at
the
fringe
or
the
edge
of
the
north
end.
E
E
It
has
a
feel
that
is
transitional
and
in
transitional
places,
transitional
things
happen,
including
what
I
alluded
to
in
the
last
meeting
as
a
an
organic
sort
of
sprung
from
the
place
community
gathering
place.
So,
although
it's
not
a
factor
in
my
own
view-
and
in
my
motion,
it's
it's
relevant
to
me
that.
E
I
feel
like
it
fits,
but
again,
the
basis
of
my
motion
is
that
there's
not
proper
zoning
that
allows
for
the
use
available
in
this
area.
The
specific
use
of
the
bed
and
breakfast
combined
with
with
the
beer
facility
and
that
this
proposed
use
is,
as
conditioned
by
the
applicant's
proposals
equal
to
or
lesser
than
the
types
of
uses
that
we
allow
in
this
type
of
zone.
K
I
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
everything
that.
K
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
everything
councilmember
beijing
just
said.
I
very
well
spoke
and
well
said
I
I
would
also
say
I
I
really
feel
at
the
end
of
the
day.
The
support
for
this
is
quite
split,
but
that's
not
where
I
base
my
decision.
I
I
take
great
comfort
in
the
fact
that
this
is
a
special
use
cup
that
they
would
lose
if,
if
they
did
not
follow
the
strict
criteria
which
I
appreciate
from
from
the
owners
of
this
establishment
for
putting
forth
since
our
last
meeting,
I
think
they're
good
criteria.
K
B
F
F
Thank
you
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
This
has
been
a
difficult
one.
Obviously
I
do
think
that
the
conditions
that
are
offered
by
the
applicants
go
a
long
way
toward
doing
just
what
councilmember
beijing
said.
Making
this
use
produce
an
equal
or
reduced
impact
upon
this
site,
as
another
allowed
use
might
within
a
three
an
r3
zone.
F
F
F
We
don't
have
a
category
that
specifically
fits
it,
I
think,
as
conditioned
it
will
function
frankly,
more
like
a
social
club
than
it
will
like
a
tavern.
A
social
club
is
a
conditional
permitted
use
in
this
zone
and
because
we
can
review
it
in
a
year.
If
it's
not
working
or
if,
in
that
year's
time,
we
find
significant
issues
with
enforcement,
either
police
enforcement
or
code
enforcement,
we
can
always
pull
this
permit,
and
so
you
know
it's
as
the
applicant
said
it's
incumbent
on
them
to
perform.
F
If
they
don't,
their
primary
business
is
going
to
fail,
nobody's
going
to
stay
in
a
bed
and
breakfast
where
there's
a
bunch
of
drunken
parties
in
the
backyard
all
night
every
night,
especially
a
high-end
one,
and
so
with
with
all
of
those,
I
feel
pretty
confident.
I
would
ask
if
the
maker
of
the
motion
would,
as
we
look
toward
asking
staff,
to
produce
those
reasons
for
decision
and
clarify
all
the
conditions
that
we
do
have
some
clause
in
there.
That
will
require.
F
If
the
property
is
sold,
that
the
transference
of
this
assignment
be
with
written
acknowledgement
by
the
city.
B
S
I
guess
question
for
either
council
president
clegg
or
council
member
beijing
just
to
be
clear.
Are
we
saying
that
the
the
special
exception
transfers
with
will
transfer
with
the
property,
or
are
we
saying
that
it
will
not
transfer
with
the
property.
E
Madam
mayor,
as
I
understood
it,
it
would
transfer
with
the
property
but
only
subject
to
written
approval
from
the
city.
So
if
they
want
to
transfer
this,
if
they
want
to
be
able
to
transfer
this,
they
can
sell
the
property.
But
if
this
right
goes
with
it,
the
city
has
to
sign
off
and
approve.
S
Yeah,
madam
mayor,
I
guess
so
I'll
try
to
go
through
this
as
linearly
as
my
my
brain
ever
does
so.
S
It's
hard
for
me
to
it's
hard
for
me
to
look
at
our
comprehensive
plan
and
say
a
predictable
development
pattern
that
this
would
have
been
approved
at
the
very
very
beginning.
So
would
we
have
approved
this
use
when
they
were
very
first
trying
to
start
this
establishment
if
we
knew
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
bed
and
breakfast
and
a
tavern
in
the
back,
and
my
guess
is
that
we
probably
wouldn't
have,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
S
I
can
walk
through
all
the
criteria
for
the
special
exceptions
and
I
think,
especially
with
number
five,
knowing
that
it
would
take
that
c5
that
isn't
in
that
area,
I
can
see
how
this
would
qualify
underneath
all
those
areas,
if
you
flexed
number
two
enough
to
say
that
there
was
going
to
be
an
equal
or
reduced
impact
to
what
could
possibly
be
there,
and
so
I
can
see
that
that's
all
going
to
exist
exists
on
here
and
you
know.
For
that
reason
you
know
I
can
feel
comfortable
approving
it.
S
Who've
created
a
space,
that's
you
know,
inclusive,
that's
made
people
feel
like
home,
that's
worked
with
nonprofits
and
that
a
future
owner
potentially
doesn't
have
that
same
that
same
care
and
dedication
to
the
community,
and
so
I
guess
that
would
maybe
be
my
concern
with
passing
it
forward
would
be,
would
be
transferring
that
special
exception
with
the
property.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
F
Acknowledgement
to
the
city
that
the
sale
was
happening
and
then
an
action
by
the
city
to
agree
to
transfer
it
with
that
sale,
and
my
expectation
is
that
that
would
include
some
investigation
of
the
buyer
and
the
purposes
that
they
would
put.
This
used
to.
L
L
If
the
applicants
and
the
proprietors
had
come
to
us
seeking
a
conditional
use
permit
to
have
a
beer
garden
in
the
backyard
of
a
bed
and
breakfast
with
limited
hours
of
operation,
would
we
have
said
yes
to
the
conditional
use
permit
and
now
what
we
have
here
is
someone
asking
for
a
conditional
use
permit,
who,
I
believe,
knew
that
they
were
operating
illegally
and
are
asking
our
forgiveness
instead
of
our
permission,
which
I
think
is
a
horrible
place
for
us
to
be
in
because
I
think
that
this
is
a
really
cool
establishment
like
I've
wanted
to
go
there
for
you
know
since
it
was
started,
but
I
knew
it
was
illegal,
so
I
didn't
go
there
because
I
knew
that
it
was
not
kosher.
L
It
was
not
copacetic,
and
so
I
chose
not
to
put
myself
in
that
position
where
I
would
be
here
tonight
being
like.
L
Oh,
I
have
this
emotional
connection
to
this
place
because
I've
been
there
and
I've
enjoyed
it,
and
I
know
that
it's
an
asset
to
the
community,
and
I
know
that
it's
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
and
it's
just
I
mean
it-
is
a
really
it's
probably
one
of
the
low
points
of
being
on
this
council
is
that
we're
put
in
this
position
where
we
have
to
say
yes
or
no
to
something
that's
an
asset
knowing
that
the
proprietors
operated
illegally
for
some
time
before
they
were
forced
to
come
to
us
to
ask
permission.
L
So
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
for
it
or
against
it.
I'm
just
trying
to
communicate
my
internal
struggle
with
this
particular
application,
because
I
know
it's
cool.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
who
have
gone
there.
Many
people
who
are
sitting
in
this
meeting
tonight
and
it's
just
a
really
bad
position
to
have
to
be
in
because
I
don't
want
to.
W
Madam
mayor
yeah,
I
think
I
mentioned
this
the
last
time
we
had
this
before
us,
and
that
was.
W
The
franklin
house,
I
I
was
very
confused
at
what
I
was
looking
at
and
I
think
that's
at
the
heart
of
this.
It's
it
it's
not
this
and
it's
not
that
and,
oh
goodness,
and
as
we
have
as
we
have
heard
tonight,
everybody
recognizes
that
our
city
is
growing
and
we
have
new,
wonderful
people
moving
to
our
beautiful
city
and
we
will
have
to
make
room
for
each
other
as
we
grow
and
and-
and
we
have
these
interesting
ideas
like
a
bed
and
breakfast
with
a
beer
garden.
W
But
we
are,
we
are
in
flux
and
we
are
still
making
this
place
and
our
rules
and
regulations
and
policies
and
zoning
ordinances
are
all
catching
up
with
these
changes,
and
I,
my
initial
thought
is
the
same
as
council
member
woodings.
I
thought,
oh,
these
guys
were
sneaky
and
they
they
they
got
away
with
something
for
a
little
while.
W
But
you
know
truthfully,
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
case
or
not,
I
don't
know
if
they
fell
through
a
loophole
there
and
it
caught
up
with
them
and
now
they're
in
a
situation
where
they're
trying
to
make
it
work-
and
I
say
that
from
personal
experience
where
you
know
I've
been
in
that
situation
where
a
mistake
was
made
and
it
wasn't
mine,
it
was
the
powers
that
be,
but
I
was
the
one
on
the
hook
for
it.
So
I
have
compassion
for
that.
W
So
you
know
part
of
the
reason
I
asked
the
question
is
about
the
noise
level
and
the
activity
level
as
it
stands
now
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
with
people
being
able
to
bring
their
own
alcohol
and
invite
their
own
guests
over.
W
Things
to
consider
in
in
making
a
decision,
but
but
I
would
have
to
say
I
am
leaning
towards
not
supporting
the
motion
simply
because
I
I
do
feel
that
we
are
setting
a
precedent
for
people
to
not
do
their
due
diligence
to
determine
whether
or
not
what
they're
about
to
do
fits
within
the
confines
of
the
law.
W
And
I
know
that
that's
a
concern
we've
had
in
the
past
and
why
we
have
passed
certain
pieces
of
legislation
to
deter
situations
like
that
where
people
are
trying
to
do
an
end
run
and
and
do
things
that
harm
our
city.
So
right
now,
I'm
leaning
towards
new.
B
All
right,
patrick,
you
are
muted.
E
Precedent
is
important
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
create
a
practice
in
the
city
of
boise
of
doing
whatever
you
want
and
then
coming
to
the
city
council
and
asking
for
forgiveness
later,
but
I
don't
think
we
want.
I
don't
want
to
create
a
practice
on
the
council
of
punishing
people
for
violating
the
law
by
withholding
things
that
they
are
otherwise
legally
entitled
to.
We
have
a
code
enforcement
group,
a
team
we
have
prosecutors,
we
have
a
legal
apparatus
for
punishing
people
and
applying
the
law
and
that's
their
job.
E
E
The
answer,
I
think
is
you
know,
watch
out.
I
don't
think
our
code
enforcement
will
be
okay
with
it.
I
don't
think
our
prosecutors
will
be
okay
with
it
and
I
don't
think
anything
in
my
emotion
tonight
implies
that
we
think
the
way
to
do
business
is
do
whatever
you
want
and
then
ask
for
permission
later.
E
So
I
see
those
issues
as
separate,
I
understand
them
and
I'm
very
sensitive
to
them,
but
speaking
only
for
myself,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
habit
of
making
discretionary
decisions
about
who
needs
judgment
for
having
broken
the
rules.
I
want
to
stay
clean
and
clear
and
bright
about
how
we're
making
our
land
use
decisions
here.
K
E
AN
F
But
one
of
the
things
that
makes
boise
boise
as
a
lifelong
boise
resident
is
how
we
treat
each
other,
and
I
saw
a
little
bit
of
that.
Passion
in
this
particular
instance
move
toward
personal
invective,
and
I
hope
that
in
the
future
we
can
keep
boise
boise
and
be
passionate
and
fight
for
our
cause
and
fight
hard
for
our
cause.
Without
getting
personally.
F
You
know
getting
personal
against
the
people
who
oppose
us
and
discounting
them
and
accusing
them
of
things
that
you
don't
know
for
sure
one
way
or
the
other
and
frankly
aren't
part
of
the
issue,
and
I
unfortunately
decide
on
both
sides
of
this
and
I'm
seeing
it
too
much
on
both
sides
of
many
issues.
It's
probably
partly
to
do
with
our
national
mood
right
now,
but
one
of
the
things
that
keeps
boise
boise
if
we
don't
want
it
to
change,
is
how
we
treat
each
other.
W
B
W
I
just
I
just
want
to
thank
the
council
president
for
bringing
that
up.
I
also
want
to.
I
also
want
to
thank
my
colleagues.
W
I
know
that
over
over
the
last
few
years,
when
we've
had
folks
specifically
single
out
renters
as
a
group
during
hearings
and
such
I,
I
really
appreciate
your
support,
because
I
know
that
you
flinch,
because
you
know
you
are
sitting
next
to
a
renter,
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
how
much
I
mean
how
much
that
means
to
me
to
have
your
support,
and
it
also
reminds
me
how
fortunate
I
am
to
live
in
a
city
where
people
would
vote
a
renter
onto
city
council.