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A
You
and
now
we
have
two
items
of
special
business.
First,
we
have
the
confirmation
of
Jennifer
Stevens
to
serve
as
our
arts
and
history.
Department,
director
and
I
was
so
pleased
that
Jennifer
accepted
our
offer
of
this
position,
because
she
has
a
deep,
deep
knowledge
and
great
a
quite
a
bit
of
experience
as
a
historian
here
in
Boise,
in
addition
to
having
launched
and
running
a
business
and
building
and
leading
the
team,
that
is
her.
Business
and
Jennifer
has
volunteered
with
the
city
on
various
commissions
for
the
last
20
years.
A
So
she'll
also
hit
the
ground
running
within
the
city
as
a
department
director,
because
she
knows
the
city
so
well.
She
knows
our
community.
D
D
Mayor,
yes,
I
too,
was
very
excited
to
see
Jennifer's
step
up
to
this
position
when
I
was
in
arts
and
history.
Commission,
commissioner,
as
a
liaison,
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
to
be
trained
on
was
that
it's
not
just
arts
and
history,
but
it's
arts
and
history
and
culture
and
I
think
that
Jen
is
really
well
positioned
to
really
weave
that
culture
into
what
the
department
does
in
everyday
work.
Just
through
her
work
as
a
historian.
D
F
Hi
man,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
I'm,
so
excited
for
Jennifer
to
join
arts
and
history
in
this
leadership
role,
something
that
I
have
really
appreciated
about
our
arts
and
history
department
and
our
commission
is
not
only
the
way
they
are
looking
to
expand.
What
we
consider
to
be
history
and
who
makes
it.
F
You
know
I
think
for
most
of
us,
especially
folks
who
come
from
backgrounds
that
have
not
been
reflected
in
the
history
books.
We
don't
have
statues
erected
to
acknowledge
the
contributions
that
people
from
non-european
backgrounds
have
made
in
the
shaping
of
our
country,
our
state
and
our
city.
F
With
that
background,
and
also
the
recognition
that
we
are
making
history
right
now
and
the
decisions
that
we
make
right
now
will
one
day
be
referred
to,
and
so
I
I
greatly
welcome
and
am
so
grateful
that
someone
with
Jennifer's
training
is
stepping
forward
to
fulfill
this
role.
Welcome
Jennifer.
G
H
H
She
was
a
lot
younger
than
and
so
was
I,
but
over
that
time,
we've
worked
together
on
a
number
of
of
projects
and
a
number
of
issues,
most
of
them
centered
around
the
city
in
some
way
or
another,
and
the
work
that
the
city
does
and
the
progress
that
the
city's
made
she's
always
brought
a
really
thoughtful
point
of
view.
She's
brings
a
lot
of
experience.
She
clearly
is
able
to
use
her
expertise
to
move
things
forward
and
that's
what
I've
observed
in
our
interaction
over
the
years.
H
In
addition
to
being
a
a
friend,
she
is
someone
I,
greatly
respect
and
admire
for
what
she's
built
in
the
city
on
her
own,
her
own
business
and
I.
Think
in
the
arts
and
history
field.
H
That's
such
an
important
piece
for
our
city
because
most
of
the
artists,
most
of
the
folks
who
work
on
cultural
issues
in
the
city
are,
for
the
most
part,
entrepreneurs,
small
business
people
and
having
a
deep
understanding
of
what
that
involves
and
and
entails,
and
the
challenges
that
you
face
in
that
I
think
we'll
just
strengthen
the
department.
Overall,
she
clearly
has
the
ability
to
lead
a
team
she's
done
that
well
at
her
current
business
and
make
that
team
stronger,
make
them
make
sure
that
they
contribute
to
the
whole.
H
H
One
I
and
I
found
a
different
word,
which
is
fine,
but
I'll,
say
it
tonight,
because
there
are
a
few
people
of
this
High
Caliber
available
in
our
city
for
this
job
at
this
moment
and
I'm
so
excited
that
Jennifer
was
willing
to
take
it
on.
I
I'll
joined
the
chorus,
I
hope
Jennifer's
listening.
You
usually
don't
hear
these
kind
of
things
unless
you're
dead,
so
I'm
glad
that
she
she's
having
a
great
opportunity
to
hear
how
much
people
love
and
appreciate
her
I
just
would
like
to
add
she's
Dr
Stevens
is
a
superstar
and
I
can't
think
of
anyone
in
the
city,
the
state
or
the
country.
I
That's
better
fit
for
this
position
and
we
are
absolutely
I,
think
hashtag
blessed
to
have
her
in
this
position
and
if
she's
built,
the
a
lot
of
people
have
talked
about
her
business
background,
but
she
helped
build
the
City
Planning
department
at
BSU
and
personally
I
mean
I
I
Dr
Stevens
has
changed
my
daughter's
life.
I
She
was
her
mentor
and
it
I
truly
appreciate
those
who
will
give
of
their
time,
particularly
to
Young
and
aspiring
professionals,
and
so
I
I
have
a
different
perspective,
because
I
know
just
how
valuable
her
mentorship
has
been
to
my
daughter
and
her
professional
background
is
just
incredible,
so
Jennifer
I,
hope,
you're
taking
notes.
C
A
She's,
actually
in
Washington
DC
for
her
last
trip
to
the
archives
for
her
business
before
she
transfers
that
out
of
that
role
and
joins
us
next
week
after
Labor,
Day
and
Jennifer.
I
know
that
you
I
I
would
imagine
that
you've
got
a
couple.
Things
to
say,
I
feel
that
you
appreciate
oh
good.
It's
good
to
see
you.
Yes,
everything
that
was
said
and
I.
A
Just
I
am
just
so
pleased
that
this
Council
and
this
community
recognizes
the
impact
that
this
position
has
and
the
the
opportunity
that
you
have
to
strengthen
this
and
real
and
one
be
a
part
of
our
team
here
at
the
city,
but
then
to
build
out
and
strengthen
a
department
in
our
engagement
in
what,
as
council
member
woodings
said,
it's
arts,
history
and
correctly
culture
of
our
city.
J
Well,
thank
you,
everybody
and
I.
Maybe
You
Can't
See
Me,
Maybe
Elaine!
You
can
see
you
okay!
Well!
Thank
you
all
very
much,
I'm,
sorry
that
I
can't
be
there
and
hear
all
these
amazing
things.
You're
saying
about
me
in
person,
I
do
and
Elaine
thanks
for
pointing
out
that
I'm
a
lot
older
now
that
I
used
to
be
I,
appreciate
that
I'm
really
incredibly
honored
to
take
this
position
and
to
be
offered
it
by
the
city.
It's
you
know
it's
a
really
for
me.
J
It's
an
incredible
blend
of
my
own
personal
passions.
The
city
of
Boise
is
the
top
of
that
list,
but
also
City
Planning
and
history.
Obviously,
and
I
also
am
a
big
fan
of
the
public
arts
and
I
expect.
I
will
learn
a
lot
from
the
team
that
I'm,
inheriting
and
and
looking
forward
to
that
challenge,
but
really
more
than
anything.
J
Councilwoman
Sanchez
said
something
that
really
stuck
with
me,
and
that
was
the
the
stories
that
we
have
to
tell
that.
Aren't
the
ones
that
we
already
know
and
I
think
you
know
the
mayor
is
wanting
to
build
and
is
doing
a
great
job
of
building
a
city
for
everyone
and
I.
J
Think
that
unveiling
some
of
those
hidden
stories
of
the
people
that
we
don't
already
know
is
a
really
important
part
of
that
and
making
sure
that
the
steps
that
we
take
in
the
next
few
years
are
really
impactful
for
the
new
citizens
that
were
welcoming
to
this
city
and
also
re-engaging.
J
The
people
who've
lived
here
for
a
long
time,
and
those
are
really
my
big
goals
is
to
is
to
re-engage
the
citizens
through
culture
through
Arts
through
history
and
also
help
the
newcomers
understand
that
they
do
have
a
place
here
and
that
they
have
stories
here
stories
that
you
know
their
ancestors
made
that
most
people
don't
know
about
so
I'm.
J
A
And
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
item.
Thank
you
very
much
Council
for
your
support
of
that
one
on
the
next
item
is
Crispin.
Gravitt
I
can't
believe
chrisman's
already
up
for
a
reappointment,
but
it's
great
to
to
have
Chris,
but
I
don't
see
Chrisman
in
the
audience.
Maybe
they're
online
to
have
Crispin
agree
to
another
term
of
service
on
the
Public
Works
commission
Crispin
has
been
a
great
volunteer.
A
He
they've,
really
I
would
say
jumped
in
head
first
four
years
ago,
when
I
joined
and
gotten
to
really
know
the
department
to
be
a
valuable
partner
to
our
team,
as
well
as
a
great
mentor
I'd
say
to
new
members
of
the
commission.
So
it's
with
gratitude
that
I
offer
the
reappointment
of
Crispin,
gravitt
or
gravatts
all
right
to
the
public
works
commission.
Another.
A
A
D
Burton,
thank
you.
Madam
mayor
I
was
able
to
serve
on
the
Public
Works
commission
as
a
liaison
with
commissioner
gervat,
and
he
brings
so
much
to
the
commission
from
a
technology
perspective
and
from
a
public
in
community
engagement
perspective.
He
is
really
a
fantastic
member
and
seeing
him
step
up
into
the
position
of
the
commission.
Chair
has
been
really
wonderful,
so
I
just
want
to
thank
him
for
his
continued
service
to
the
city
of
Boise
in
an
often
overlooked
commission.
D
That
really
is
it's
really
the
inner
workings
of
our
city,
in
a
way
that
we
should
all
appreciate
more.
So,
thank
you.
Crispin.
K
Been
rare,
yeah,
not
sure
if
Chrisman
is
listening
or
not,
there
are
so
many
ways
that
I
could
talk
about
Crispin
and
how
crispin's
touched
my
life
personally
and
the
impact
that
they've
had
in
so
many
different
aspects
of
the
community.
F
Better
mayor,
yes,
thank
you.
Congratulations,
Crispin!
Wherever
you
are
so
happy
to
have
you
continue
serving
on
the
Public
Works
commission
just
to
Echo.
My
colleagues
Crispin
is
a
unique
individual
in
that
they're,
very
talented
in
their
field
of
study,
but
they
are
also
exactly
who
they
are.
F
They
bring
their
whole
selves
to
the
work
and
when
we
have
an
individual
like
that,
put
themselves
up
for
public
scrutiny,
what
they're
doing
is
creating
a
ripple
effect
for
our
community
and
it's
letting
other
people
in
our
community
who
are
very
talented,
who
have
so
much
to
offer
in
these
leadership
roles.
It's
letting
them
know
that
they
can
come
as
they
are
as
well
and
so
I
am
so
grateful
to
see.
My
dear
friend
Chris
been
continuing
this
role
and
I.
H
Go
ahead,
thank
you,
I'll,
just
Echo
that
and
very
quickly
say
thank
you
Crispin
for
agreeing
to
serve
another
term.
You
bring
incredible
intellectual
curiosity
and
hard
work
to
this
commission.
It's
a
commission
that
needs
that
more
than
any
other,
maybe
and
you've
been
a
real
asset
to
it.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
Amanda
mayor
I'd,
also
just
Echo
I,
have
the
opportunity
to
serve
as
a
current
liaison
on
public
works
and
it's
a
huge
lift.
Being
the
chair
is
a
lot
of
work
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
in
the
city,
with
all
of
the
new
projects
that
we're
engaged
in
and
I
just
appreciate,
crispin's
passion
and
his
ability
to
hear
lots
of
different
voices
and
the
way.
Frankly,
he
runs
a
meeting.
A
Thank
you.
Well,
congratulations.
Kristen
is
Chris
been
with
us
nope
all
right,
but
Chrisman
isn't
with
us,
tells
me
that
there
was
something
happening
this
evening.
It
was
likely
a
conflict
because
they're
often
here
so
it
will
be
noted
that
we
appreciate
Christmas
service.
Now
we're
going
to
move
into
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
with
an
asterisk
are
considered
to
be
routine
by
the
council
and
will
be
enacted
by
one
motion.
A
A
Have
a
motion
in
a
second
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
note
of
on
of
one
item,
I'm
looking
for
the
number
I
circled.
It
just
make
a
couple
comments
on
the
resolution
that
is,
on
the
agenda:
memorializing
the
50th
anniversary
of
the
Sawtooth
National
Recreation
Area.
It's
item,
15
resolution
483-22,
the
council
president
pro
tem
might
have
some
things
to
say
as
well.
A
I
wanted
just
to
say
that
this
is
a
really
special
area
to
so
many
boiseans,
and
it
makes
sense
that
we
are
acknowledging
the
anniversary,
the
50th
anniversary
of
this,
that
actually
took
place
on
April,
August
22nd,
and
we
wish
we
could
have
had
it
on
that
day
because
it
was
or
that
because
it
was
so
close
to
the
actual
celebration.
Our
last
council
meeting,
but
these
this
Recreation
Area
is
steeped
in
history.
A
Well,
beyond
the
time
of
our
elected
officials
that
had
the
vision
to
take
steps
to
protect
it
and
whether
it
be
the
people
of
the
Boise
Valley,
the
original
inhabitants,
the
Shoney
bannocks
that
would
head
to
the
Salmon
River
at
different
times
of
the
year
to
for
salmon.
And
now
our
children
have
the
opportunity
to
go
back
in
August
and
watch
those
salmon
come
home
spawn
and
then
return
to
the
Earth.
The
I'm,
a
people
of
Boise
people
of
the
state,
took
steps
to
protect
this
area.
A
The
conversation
I
realized
that
actually,
what
I'm
looking
forward
to
is
this
weekend,
hiking
up
to
a
lake
in
the
snra,
with
my
daughter
and
jumping
into
it,
and
when
my
son
gets
back
from
his
semester
in
school,
strapping
skins
on
our
skis
and
heading
into
the
Sawtooth
and
or
mountain
biking,
with
my
husband
on
Fisher
Creek,
and
so
there
are
places
that,
for
my
family,
for
the
last
25
years
have
really
become
those
places
where
we
go
to
reconnect,
spend
time
together
to
remind
ourselves
how
much
we
care
about
each
other
in
this
place
and
at
the
same
time,
for
our
kids
to
learn,
skills
and
Independence,
and
that
and
now
for
me
to
see
them
say
before
they
head
off
to
school.
A
Oh,
can
we
take
one
last
trip,
just
us,
and
so
many
people
around
the
state
because
of
the
actions
of
our
elected
officials
75
years
ago
and
ultimately
50
years
ago,
when
they
finally
agreed
on
how
to
do
it
and
protect
both
the
white
clouds
and
the
sawtooths
have
those
really
important
memories.
And
it's
for
that
reason
that
one
it
was
an
honor
to
be
part
of
writing
this
with
the
members
of
council,
but
then
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
it
on
the
agenda
tonight.
Madam.
D
Mayor
this
was
actually
brought
to
me
by
a
constituent
and
it's
it's
very
I
mean
it's
very
cool
to
be
able
to
commemorate
this
area
and
I
think
that
lately,
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
feedback
that
sometimes
we
pass
resolutions
that
aren't
specific
to
Boise,
but
I
want
to
connect
the
Sawtooth
to
Boise
real
quick
for
everyone
who
might
be
listening.
D
There
aren't
very
many
cities
that
you
can
live
in
where
you
can
be
somewhere
like
the
sawtooths
within
you
know
just
a
few
hours,
and
so
it
is
really
special.
It's
really
special
to
what
Boise
is
as
a
city
where
you
can
both
have.
You
know
really
for
world-class
Urban
experiences,
and
then
you
can
get
out
of
town
so
easily
and
be
in
the
mountains
and
at
an
Alpine,
Lake
and
backpacking
and
biking
and
fishing,
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
part.
D
It's
part
of
what
makes
Boise
such
a
very
unique
place
to
live
and
a
unique
place
for
our
families.
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing,
and
this
didn't
make
it
into
the
into
the
resolution,
but
one
of
the
cool
things
that
I
learned
through
this
process
is
that
a
lot
of
the
kind
of
backstory
of
the
Sawtooth
National
Recreation
Area,
is
because
of
the
Colombian
Club.
Here
in
Boise,
one
of
their
members
was
an
avid
Outdoors
woman.
D
She
was
the
first
white
woman
to
Traverse
the
sawtooths
she
put
on
her
pants
and
let
an
expedition
through
the
sawtooths
and
then
advocated
for
their
recognition
in
subsequent
years
that
led
to
the
eventual
designation.
Many
years
later,
so
I
thought
that
that
was
a
really
cool
piece
of
History.
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
work
in
bringing
this
resolution
forward
and
really
recognizing
how
the
sawtooths
impact,
what
Boise
is
as
a
city.
H
Mayor,
yes,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
say
something
about
this.
Thank
you
for
helping
write.
This
resolution
I
know
that
you've
spent
many
many
hours
in
the
Sawtooth
recreating,
but
also
in.
A
H
White
clouds,
the
white
clouds
and
the
white
clouds-
yes,
recreating
and
and
learning
about
the
area
I'm
going
to
talk
about
something
a
little
bit
different
I
grew
up
in
Idaho
in
a
family
that
came
here
in
the
early
1900s
and
lived
in
the
mountains.
They
were
rural
by
today's
standards.
They
were
called
rural
folk,
but
living
there
didn't
mean
that
their
values
were
different
than
those
of
us
who
live
in
the
city.
H
In
fact,
one
of
the
stories
that
I
always
tell
is
that
my
great
great
grandparents
had
dueling
stacks
of
orange
crates
and
in
one
corner
was
the
China
and
then
the
other
Corner
was
the
Harvard
Classics,
and
that
was
out
in
the
Backwoods
in
Idaho
and
that's
the
Idaho
I
grew
up
in
and
to
me
protecting
those
tattoos
and
the
white
clouds.
Besides
their
world-class
scenery,
their
world-class
Recreation
is
protecting
that
part
of
Idaho.
That
I
think
binds
us
together.
H
I
think
we
often
talk
about
the
things
that
that
divide
us
and
we
rarely
talk
about
the
things
that
bind
us
together.
Those
of
us
who
live
here,
love
being
out
in
the
mountains,
love
recreating
love.
The
social
emotional
health
that
that
brings
us
when
we're
there,
those
who
live
in
the
mountains,
frankly
love
lots
of
things
about
the
city.
They
love
some
of
the
cultural
aspects
they
love
being
able
to
visit
and
fulfill
some
of
the
other
needs
that
they
have.
That
can't
be
met
while
up
in
that
Wilderness.
H
H
This
resolution
speaks
to
a
place
that
represents
what
I
think
is
best
about
the
state,
which
is
that
it's
a
really
wonderful
State
people
buy
a
wonderful
people
in
all
of
the
places
that,
for
the
most
part,
I
think
everyone
recognizes
and
values
all
sides
of
it,
and
so
I
I'm
so
happy
that
we
brought
this
resolution.
It's
exciting
to
hear
about
the
Colombian
Club
I
didn't
know
that
piece
of
history
and
they
were
certainly
a
very
key
part
of
the
growth
of
Boise
and
it's
interesting
to
know
how
to
keep
art.
H
A
B
C
B
H
I,
probably
should
have
done
this
at
the
end,
but
I
didn't
want
to
take
away
from
the
Sawtooth.
We
should
at
least
mention
that
resolution.
11
was
this
year's
budget
and
included
in
it
was
the
L2
form
which
I
did
review
and
found
to
be
accurate
and
excited
to
see
it
moving
forward
to
certification.
Thank.
A
A
D
B
C
D
I
I
moved
this
one
separately,
because
this
is
the
budget
for
fiscal
year,
2023
and
I
think
it
deserves
its
own.
Separate
consideration.
I
know
that
many
voiceians
were
involved
throughout
the
budget
process.
A
Well,
thank
you
all
I'd
like
to
just
say
a
couple
things
before
we
vote.
You
know
we
we
all
made
comments
after
the
public
hearing.
A
We
moved
this
to
reading,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
our
staff
for
the
work
that
went
into
this
and
the
support
they
provided
Council
in
understanding
the
impact
that
our
investments
could
have
and
how
we
do
it
well
and
I
want
to
thank
the
community
for
all
the
feedback
that
you
provided
Us
in
the
last
year
and
a
half,
we
had
our
first
budget,
Town
Hall
at
the
library
this
winter,
where
we
heard
from
folks,
we
had
opportunities
for
our
residents
to
engage
online,
to
submit
feedback
and
then
to
help
us
in
these
decision
making
in
the
decision-making
process
to
make
sure
that
this
budget
reflected
as
the
council
president
protem
said,
the
values
of
our
community
and
this
budget
is
about
people.
A
A
For
the
first
time,
the
city's
been
able
to
do
that,
and
there
are
many
of
you
living
in
Boise
that
qualify
that
haven't
applied
and
we're
going
to
help
help
increase
the
number
of
folks
that
take
advantage
of
this
property
tax
relief
and
it
invests
in
community
priorities,
including
Public
Safety,
Economic,
Development,
affordable
housing
and
it
uses
our
recovery
dollars
to
help
us
prepare
for
growth
in
this
community
and
to
take
climate
action.
A
C
B
F
A
Now
we'll
move
to
new
business
we've
got
looks
like
one
subdivision:
we've
got
SOS
13,
Brighton
development,
We've,
Got
Sabrina
here
for
the
city
applicant
Josh,
Beach
Josh
might
be
online
nobody's
signed
up
to
testify.
We
don't
expect
others
to
be
here,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
hear
from
the
city
and
then
I'll
see.
If
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report,
foreign.
L
Members
of
the
council.
The
item
before
you
is
a
request
to
vacate
three
Boise
city
sewer
easements
for
Lots,
one
through
seven
block
15
of
research
center
subdivision
number,
seven
on
6.4
Acres,
located
at
12673
Ash
Creek
Street
in
our
3D
Zone.
The
applicant
has
recently
obtained
approval
to
rezone
the
subject
property
from
industrial
to
multi-family
residential
and
received
design
review
approval
for
proposed
multi-family
development.
They
are
currently
in
the
process
of
consolidating
the
four
subject
Parcels
into
a
single
lot.
Prior
to
development.
A
The
applicant
is
not
here,
which
means
we
will
take
that
as
agreement
with
a
proposal
that
we
approve
the
vacation
of
this
easement
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
nobody's
here
to
testify
on
this.
A
G
A
G
A
Thanks
very
much
and
with
that,
unless
there's
anything
additional
that
was
at
the
hand
that
was
raised
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
hearing
and
this
matters
before
Council,
not
a.
D
A
C
C
A
D
C
A
And
next
up,
we've
got
CDA,
22-6,
We've,
Got,
Sabrina,
again
welcome
back
and
then
the
applicant
Jeff
Huber
from
White
leisure,
yes,
I'm
here
hello.
That
is
why
I
recognized
you.
A
A
If
and
is
anybody
else
here
to
testify
on
this
item,
nobody
else
had
signed
up
and
then,
if
you're
online
wishing
to
speak
just
raise
your
little
Zoom
hand
and
we
will
get
to
you
after
we
go
through
this
process.
So
we'll
start
first
with
Sabrina.
L
Great
thank
you
madamer
Madame
mayor
members
of
the
city
and
Council.
The
item
before
you
is
an
appeal
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission's
decision
to
deny
a
request
for
a
variance
to
exceed
the
maximum
background
area
for
an
existing
freestanding
sign
located
at
513
Milwaukee
Street
in
the
c2d
zone
on
May
2nd,
the
commission
heard
a
request
for
a
variance
which
would
allow
the
background
area
of
one
of
the
freestanding
Center
signs
for
West
Park
Town
Plaza,
to
be
increased
by
68
square
feet.
L
The
requested
expansion
would
provide
advertising
space
for
16
tenants
of
the
development
and
would
bring
the
total
background
area
of
the
sign
to
339
square
feet
where
a
maximum
of
150
is
allowed
by
the
development
code.
Following
a
public
hearing
and
deliberations,
the
commission
determined
that
the
application
did
not
meet
the
variance
findings
and
denied
the
variance
request
on
May
10th.
The
appellant
appealed.
The
commission's
decision
based
on
the
ground
shown
on
this
slide.
One
other
party
of
Records
submitted
a
supplemental
memo
that
is
included
in
your
packets.
L
The
appellant
contends
that
the
site
has
unique
characteristics,
including
the
adjacent
curve
in
Milwaukee
Street
and
the
large
separation
of
the
existing
buildings
from
the
street,
which
create
hardships
that
were
not
recognized
by
the
commission.
The
commission
considered
the
justifications
proposed
by
the
applicant,
but
found
that
they
did
not
constitute
a
hardship
with
the
property
itself,
which
would
justify
granting
of
the
variance.
The
appellant
also
contends
that
the
commission
failed
to
recognize
special
circumstances
that
small
commercial
tenants
face
in
the
leak
of
online
shopping
and
next
day
delivery
services.
L
There
are
alternative
options
available
to
the
applicant,
which
would
allow
them
to
provide
the
desired
signage
for
their
smaller
tenants
without
requiring
a
variance.
These
options
include
reallocating
the
existing
sign
area
to
accommodate
more
tenants
or
constructing
additional
Monument
signs,
which
are
allowed
by
code
to
promote
to
provide
additional
advertising
space.
L
In
conclusion,
staff
recommends
that
the
council
deny
the
appeal
and
uphold
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commissions.
Now
the
variants
that
the
council
does
opt
to
approve
the
appeal:
I
have
a
site
available
that
reviews
The
Grounds,
through
which
you
may
find
error
in
the
commission's
decision
and
I'll
sign
for
any
questions.
H
L
Madam
mayor
council,
president
Craig,
the
applicant
is
allowed
one
Monument
sign
with
a
height
of
eight
feet
and
background
area
of
32
square
feet
per
building
pad.
There
are
eight
building
pads
in
the
center
and
they
have
four
existing
Monument
signs.
So
they
could
do
four
additional
signs
with
32
square
feet
of
background.
Each
okay.
H
So
question
and
I
this
may
or
may
not
be
relevant,
is
it
ever
have
we
ever
allowed
more
square
footage
in
fewer
signs
and
restricted
the
number
of
additional
signs
in
doing
so.
E
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Jeff.
Huber
I
represent
the
applicant.
Our
address
is
8385
West
Emerald
Street.
Could
you
Sabrina?
Could
you
put
on
the.
E
That's
good.
This
Center
was
constructed
approximately
a
1989
around
the
time
the
mall
was
constructed.
The
Milwaukee
Street
was
put
through
to
Fairview
and
to
connect
the
with
the
major
arterials.
All
the
property
owners
along
Milwaukee
Street
contributed
to
an
lid
that
allowed
Milwaukee
Street
to
go
through.
E
There
are
oops,
there
are
two
pylon
signs
currently
on
the
property,
one
in
this
location
for
Target
and
one
here
that
has
Ross
and
has
space
for
a
few
tenants
on
it.
As
you
can
see
this,
this
curve
in
the
road
is
unusual.
It's
an
unusual
site
characteristic
and
there's
a
reason
for
it.
E
I'll
get
to
that
a
little
later
in
my
presentation,
but
you
can
see
that
this
curve
separates
the
distance
between
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
facade
of
the
of
the
small
shops
is
up
to
400
feet
in
this
area
and
approximately
125
feet
here,
so
it
it
throws
off
the
motorist
it
doesn't
have.
Has
his
attention
is
thrown
into
driving
on
that
curve
and
not
able
to
see
these
storefront
signs
here,
especially
with
all
the
trees
that
we
have
in
the
parking.
A
E
Laser
Litecoin
yeah
I
am
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Madam
mayor
again,
I've
highlighted
highlighted
the
small
shops
in
this
area,
they're
back
far
from
the
road
there's
pads
that
obscure
their
visibility
and
they're
really
buried
back
in
here.
E
These
are
the
two
existing
pylons
Target
required
the
entire
pylon
for
themselves
when
they
came
here.
This
is
the
first
Target
in
the
state.
The
community
was
excited
to
have
them
and
we
agreed
to
give
them
the
entire
pylon.
In
hindsight,
maybe
we
should
have
negotiated
a
little
harder,
but
they're
not
going
to
give
up
any
of
the
pylon
today.
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
it's
it's
the
busiest
Target
in
the
state
and
we're
we're
proposing
to
add
additional
four
foot
side.
A
forefoot
high
sign
right
in
this
location
on
this
pylon.
E
Sabrina,
can
you
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
going
correctly,
which
side.
B
E
You
can
you
change
the
slides.
There
that'd
be
great
yeah
that
slide
so
I'm
I'm,
going
to
show
you
some
slides
of
driving
through
this
curve
curve
in
the
road.
As
you
see
the
center,
as
you're
driving
by
you
could
go.
E
E
This
is
from
across
the
street
next
slide,
please
again
across
the
street,
looking
in
the
main
entry
into
the
center,
and
you
can
see
that
it's
blocked
they're
buried
back
in
there.
The
small
tenants
next
slide,
Sabrina,
please.
This
is
going
down
south
on
Milwaukee
and
again
you're
in
this
curve.
Your
your
attention
is
focused
on
driving
through
that
curve.
The
whole
time
the
next
slide.
E
Please
Sabrina,
there's
one
little
window
there,
where
you
can
might
glance
and
see,
maybe
a
shop
front,
but
it's
very
difficult
when
you're
trying
to
drive
the
next
side,
please,
this
is
for
standing
within
the
center
with
the
trees.
As
you
can
see,
they
really
block
the
signage.
That's
there
next
one,
please
Sabrina
again
standing
in
the
parking
lot
next
side,
Sabrina
and
the
next
slide
please.
E
So
this
slide
is
an
important
slide.
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
bit
of
the
history
of
why
the
curve
is
in
the
road
and
I
hope
Jennifer's
still
with
us
watching
this
see
when
the
mall
was
built,
and
this
whole
area
was
master
planned
really
in
in
unison,
and
everyone
thought
that
this
road
was
going
to
go
straight
through
here.
Everyone
except
Mrs,
odd
and
her
Farm,
who
lived
right
there,
10
acres,
misses
Ott
was
quite
a
character.
E
The
last
of
the
true
Pioneers
really
I
would
go
to
her
house
sit
in
the
living
room
with
her
she'd
make
me
Cowboy,
Coffee
and
I'd.
Try
everything
possible
to
try
to
get
her
to
sell
her
property
standing
in
her
living
room
in
a
dirt
floor
with
a
big
wood
chopping
block
next
to
the
wood.
Heater
stove
and
Mrs
I
would
bring
me
that
cup
of
coffee,
but
she
was
missing
part
of
her
forefinger
and
thumb
I'd,
say
Mrs
I
what
happened?
She
said:
wood
chopping
accident
she
had
sheep
coming
through
there.
E
She
had
pet
blue
jays
inside
it
was.
It
was
really
something
to
see
and
they
had
no
heirs,
Mr
and
Mrs.
They
offered
Millions
the
developers
after
millions
of
dollars,
I'd,
say:
Mrs
hot:
let's
go
get
you
another
farm
with
a
nice
farmhouse
nope.
She
wouldn't
do
it
well,
the
developers
go
back,
say:
Mrs
odd,
isn't
going
to
sell
it.
E
We've
all
heard
the
term
money
talks,
but
apparently
not
to
Mrs
Ott
and
that
farm
sat
there
until
they
both
died
and
they
left
that
farm
to
their
legal
counsel
and
soon
it
wouldn't
take
long
before
a
bunch
of
commercials
sprung
up
on
that
10
acres.
But
that's
why
that
curve
is
in
the
road
today.
E
E
E
This
is
the
shops
on
Milwaukee
right
at
the
intersection
of
Fairview
and
Milwaukee,
and
you
can
see
these
stores
are
only
a
hundred
feet
off
the
street
and
you
can
see
those
stories
when
you
go
by.
E
We're
requesting
that
this
four
foot
sign
go
right
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
existing
pylon.
It's
the
most
logical
place
for
it
it
the
structure,
the
infrastructure.
Is
there
it's
the
most
effective
place
for
the
signage
for
the
public.
E
There's
one
other
unusual
site
characteristic
about
this
and
council
member
Clegg
was
inquiring
about
it.
We
actually
have
13
Parcels
in
this
Center,
which
is
highly
unusual.
There
are
currently
four
pylons
and,
as
per
the
code,
we
could
be
entitled
to
nine
more
Monument
signs.
E
We
that
we
are
willing
to
to
forego
all
those
Monument
signs
just
to
consolidate
that
signage
and
put
it
on
the
pylon
in
one
of
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan
is
to
avoid
clutter,
and
this
is
exactly
what
we're
doing
in
in
compliance
with
with
the
comprehensive
plan
by
we
would.
We
would
agree
to
a
condition
that
there'd
be
no
further
Monument
signs
within
the
center,
and
we
just
put
it
on
that.
A
Stanford
questions
yep,
so
what
we'll
do
is
thank
you
we'll
have
you
stand
for
questions
now,
we'll
then
have
a
public
speak
and
then,
if
there's
anything
that
you
need
to
add
or
but
you're
welcome
to
at
that
point,.
K
A
E
Yes,
council,
member
Hallie,
Burton.
K
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
story.
It's
going
to
be
really
difficult
for
me
to
go
past
that
area
without
thinking
about
that
now
and
I'll,
probably
retell
it
somewhat
inaccurately
for
years
to
come.
So
I'm
look
I
read
through
the
transcript
previously
and
I'm.
K
Looking
at
the
summary
now-
and
you
are
appealing
on
the
grounds
that
you
thought
the
decision
was
arbitrary
and
capricious
based
on
the
commission-
failing
to
recognize
the
unique
characteristics
of
the
site
and
the
hardships
created
by
those
characteristics,
there's
some
additional
stuff
that
talks
about
the
wake
of
online
shopping
and
next
day
delivery
services,
which
I
think
is
a
very
valid
point,
but
also
not
unique
to
this
particular
area
that
exists
in
all
small
businesses
across
the
country.
K
So
my
question
for
you
is:
did
you
give
the
presentation
that
you
gave
to
us
as
far
as
the
slides,
because
that
couldn't
tell
in
the
transcript-
and
our
is
what
you're
telling
me
is
that
you
thought
that
they
ignored
that
presentation,
or
was
there
information
that
you
feel
like
they
failed
to
recognize,
or
was
that
discussed
in
the
meeting?
That's
what
I'm,
having
a
hard
time
with
it
seems
to
me
like
there
was
a
discussion
in
the
meeting,
but
I
can't
tell
how
detailed
you
went
into
the
curvature.
E
I
did
give
this
presentation
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
one
member
of
the
commission
thought
that
it
made
sense
to
put
the
signage
on
the
pylon,
but
that
the
code
it
was
up
to
the
city
council
because
they
are
the
ones
that
have
created
the
code
is
I.
Think
is
how
he
explained.
K
It
yep
in
mattamere,
just
I,
guess
to
reply
there
so
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
there
was
discussion
about
the
curvature
in
the
road.
It
sounds
like
probably
some
detailed
discussion
about
that
and
the
even
though
there
was
that
discussion,
the
disagreement
was
yes.
We
would
like
to
approve
this,
but
code
doesn't
actually
show
that
this
is
a
true
hardship.
Is
that
accurate.
E
I
would
say
so
perhaps
if
the
council
can
find
that
that
this
is
an
unusual
site
characteristic
for
which,
in
the
code,
there
is
no
definition,
you
have
would
be
well
within
the
parameters
of
the
code.
In
my
estimation,
and
approving
this
application,
okay,
perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
P
Can
you
guys
hear
me
yes
welcome?
Yes,
thank
you.
So
Jeff
brought
this
to
the
first
of
all
I'm
Al
Young
worth
I'm,
the
business
representative
for
the
the
West
Boise
neighborhood
association.
A
Well,
I
am
going
to
ask
you
just
your
your
voice
is
wandering
a
little
bit
like
getting
quieter,
so
either
stay
right
up
close
to
the
mic
or
talk
a
little
louder,
I'm,
not
sure
which
is
going
to
fix
it.
Okay,.
P
I
hope
you
guys
can
hear
me
okay
now,
but
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
Jeff
presented
his
proposal
to
several
of
the
board
members
of
the
West
Boise
neighborhood
association.
We
went
out
to
the
site,
we
reviewed
the
code
and
in
in
light
of
all
of
those
things,
we
felt
that
his
proposal
was
the
best
solution
to
add
more
signage.
P
We
are
certainly
and
I'm
personally
sympathetic
to
the
needs
of
local
businesses
and
and
their
need
to
promote
themselves
and
there's,
certainly
a
lack
of
that
for
the
smaller
businesses
they're
at
that
shopping
center.
P
H
Mad
American
I
ask
you
a
question
sure
out.
So
my
question
is:
is
when
you
decided
that
this
was
the
best
solution
for
the
need
for
more
signage
for
these
small
businesses?
What
were
the
factors
that
you
talked
about.
P
Well,
the
the
factors
that
we
talked
about
were
the
Alternatives
in
placing
the
signs
along
other
stretches,
of
the
frontage
there,
where
there's
a
lot
of
tree
cover,
especially
in
the
summer
this
time
of
year,
and
to
really
get
good
visibility
to
those
signs
would
require
removing
some
of
those
trees
and
that
the
those
signs
would
have
to
be
placed
along
that
curve
where
traffic
traffic
is
negotiating.
The
curve,
as
well
as
just
more
signs,
is
more
visual
clutter
than
using
the
existing
signs.
P
I
think
he's
proposing
a
total
of
68
square
feet
there.
So
we
felt
like
that
was
the
most
sensible
was
created.
The
least
amount
of
safety
concerns
and
also
met
the
needs
of
the
local
businesses.
There.
A
Q
My
name
is
Cheryl
Livingston
I
reside
at
11,
950
West
Cactus
Court
in
Boise,
and
our
daughter
purchased
mixed
up
nutrition
January
of
2022
this
year,
and
so
we
are
asking
for
a
variance
to
put
up
signage
so
that
people
can
see
our
establishment
we're
located
behind
the
Carl's
Jr
and
behind
the
noodle
company
right
on
the
curve
and
if
you
are
focused
on
driving
and
you're
trying
to
find
us
it's
easily
to
get
in
an
accident
and
the
health,
safety
and
Welfare
of
the
community
and
the
people
driving.
Q
That
needs
to
be
considered
as
well.
We
are
having
success
in
growing
our
business,
slow
but
sure,
but
people
call
and
ask
where
are
you
located
and
then,
by
the
time
we
tell
them?
They've
already
passed
us
because
they're
on
their
cell
phone
calling
or
what
have
you
so
I'm,
hoping
that
you
all
will
reconsider
the
variants
and
the
options
that
have
been
presented.
A
And
for
that
I'm
going
to
ask
Council
to
they
typically
will
have
that
a
conversation
about
what
signifies
a
hardship
as
part
of
their
deliberation.
Oh.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Is
anybody
else
here
for
this
one?
Oh,
you
are
come
on
up
afterwards.
One
of
those
pieces
of
paper
will
list
you're
here
for
the
sign
great
and
one
of
those
pieces
of
paper
lists.
This
number
probably
you'll,
see
CVA
22-6
once
you've
testified.
Will
you
just
put
your
name
and
address
there
or
you
can
do
it
beforehand
too?
Madam.
A
That's
right:
this
is
a
I'm
sorry
this
this
is
an
appeal.
I
forgot
that
this
is
an
appeal,
and
so
the
only
party
of
record
was
Cheryl
Livingston.
So
in
order
to
testify
at
an
appeal,
you
have
to
have
testified
at
the
hearing
when
the
first
decision
was
made.
I'm
sorry
I
forgot
that
we
are
in
in
the
middle
of
an
appeal
process.
Thank
you
for
being
here,
though.
A
Okay,
that
was
you
and
I
said
that
earlier
you
were
the
only
party
of
record
so
with
that
the
applicant
slash
appellant
can
come
up
for
his
rebuttal.
E
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
members
of
the
council,
I
I
was
the
one
that
went
out
and
asked
the
tenants
to
come
tonight
and
I
didn't
really
realize
at
the
time
that
they
couldn't
testify
that
they
are
one
of
the
tenants
that
would
like
to
have
some
signage
on
that
street.
E
In
closing,
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
the
the
retail
landscape
has
changed
dramatically
over
the
years,
and
these
small
mom
and
pop
brick
and
mortar
tenants
they've
really
faced
an
uphill
battle
with
the
virus
and
what
it's
caused.
You
know,
mandated
closures,
supply
chain
interruptions,
people
not
wanting
to
go
out
and
online
shopping,
which
is
accounts
now.
It
counts
for
21
of
all
retail
sales,
and
it's
growing
each
year,
foreign.
E
There
we
go,
there's
the
competition
they're
in
our
streets
every
day
and
every
residential
neighborhood
they
can
advertise
unrestricted,
but
we
all
see
them
the
next
day.
Service
I
mean
it's
fabulous,
I
use
it.
Occasionally
too,
we
ordered
something
the
other
night
at
seven
o'clock
at
night.
It
was
there
at
nine
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
the
doorstep.
Unbelievable.
E
So
so,
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
council
that
think
that
are
thinking
gosh,
if
we
approve
this,
we'll
have
to
approve
all
the
signages
comes
before
us.
That's
not
true.
The
code
is
clearer
that
you
cannot
use
another
non-conforming
use
as
a
gentrification
for
your
application.
The
code
is
very
clear
on
that
we've
sent
out
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
178
letters
and
two
mailings.
E
We
have
had
two
neighborhood
meetings.
We
have
met
a
number
of
times
with
the
West
Boise
neighborhood
association,
we've
put
up
10
signs,
noticing
the
public
hearings,
we've
had
one
public
hearing
and
now
another
public
hearing
before
you
and
not
one
person,
has
come
forward
in
opposition
to
this
application.
E
A
K
And
then
I'll
leave
it
up
for
anyone
else
who
wants
to
ask
one
and
I
may
have
a
second
one,
so
you've
been
given
I
think
instructions
that
you
do
have
the
ability
to
put
up
more
signage.
Just
not
on
that
sign.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
and
so
in
order
to
do
that,
it
would
cost
a
large
amount
of
money,
Landscaping
clutter
on
a
road.
That's
curved
electrical.
K
H
One
other
quick
question:
the
neighborhood
association
mentioned
that
if
you
did
cite
other
signs,
it
was
likely
that
you
would
have
to
remove
trees
to
do
that
because
have
you
looked
at
potential
locations
for
other
signs
and
are
there
trees?
That
would
be
in
the
way
of
that.
Well,.
E
Council
member
Clegg,
in
answer
the
question:
if
we
were
to
add
signage,
it
would
be
the
monument
signs
that
would
go
along
the
road
and
that
would
be
add,
visual
clutter
to
the
area
and
it
would
be
very
expensive,
and
we
just
feel
that
the
most
logical
thing
is
to
add
it
onto
that
existing
pylon.
The
impact
to
the
community
would
be
negligible.
In
my
estimation,.
H
Okay
last
question:
for
me:
anyway,
you
mentioned
that
you'd
be
amenable
to
a
condition
that
would
not
allow
you
to
put
any
more
Monument
signs.
H
I
think
that's,
maybe
perhaps
not
a
bad
idea,
but
I
wonder
if
you've
thought
through.
If
if
that,
in
fact
is
the
case
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
chance
in
the
future
that
you're
going
to
need
even
one
more
Monument
sign
and
you're
comfortable
with
that.
K
Better
mirror,
yes,
I
would
move
that
we
overturned
the
appeal
and
uphold
the
appeal
I'm.
Sorry
I
would
mean
that
we
uphold
the
appeal
and
overturn
planning
and
zonings
commission
for
denial,
and
if
there's
a
second
I
can
explain
why.
K
Right
so
go
ahead,
so
I
mentioned
this
earlier.
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
a
hardship
because
of
the
changing
of
online
shipping
overnight
shipping-
that's
everybody
has
nothing
to
do
with
this
location.
Don't
really
see
that
as
a
hardship,
I,
don't
necessarily
see
the
curve
in
the
road
as
a
hardship
either.
H
Madam
mayor,
yes,
I,
tried
to
Second
and
do
support
the
motion,
because
I
also
think
that
there
is
a
hardship
in
introducing
a
lot
more
Monument
signs
on
the
curve
and
that
hardship
is
the
safety
one.
H
H
That
hardship
has
to
be
something
physical
and
so
for
me,
the
hardship
is
that
those
Monument
signs
would
create
a
dangerous
driving
situations
along
the
curve
and
that
it
seems
reasonable
to
me
to
consolidate
all
of
that
at
one
place
where
typically
people
are
stopped
at
a
stop
sign,
at
least
or
stoplight,
at
least
at
some
portion
of
their
drive
there,
and
especially
with
the
applicant
willing
to
accept
a
condition
to
forego
other
Monument
signs,
I'm
very
willing
to
support
this.
A
B
C
C
C
If
we're
concerned
about
visual
clutter,
we're
concerned
about
the
curve
in
the
road,
this
is
an
economically
efficient
way
to
do
it
without
building
nine
additional
signs
it
just.
It
makes
common
sense
as
well.
D
I'm
just
going
to
add
one
thing
and
I
think
that
as
a
person
who
is
often
lollygagging
trying
to
find
businesses
in,
you
know
that
are
hidden
by
trees
and
whatnot.
I
really
appreciate
that
you're
wanting
to
put
signage
by
the
road
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
brick
and
mortar
business,
whether
it's
local
business
or
national
business,
as
long
as
they
are
in
a
building
like
I'm
gonna
shop.
D
I
Metamere
I
think
you
can
see
that
there's
unanimity
here
and
there's
a
lot
of
technical
reasons
why
we're
going
to
overturn
the
commission,
but
I
would
just
say
to
Echo
councilman
beijing's
comments.
This
just
makes
sense.
I
live
in
West,
Boise
I
drove
this
today,
I've
shopped
at
some
of
those
businesses
now
I
know
that
there's
more
in
there
that
I
have
never
seen
and
I
drive
that
10
times
a
week.
So
we
want
to
do
all
that
we
can
and
I
personally
want
to
do
all
that
I
can
to
support
small
business.
I
F
Madam
mayor,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
I.
I
just
want
to
thank
I'm.
So
sorry,
I
forgot
your
name
Sir
Jeff,
Huber,
Mr
Huber,
for
the
story
that
was
wonderful
but
also
I.
I
do
shop
in
this
area
too,
and
I
have
to
admit.
F
I
have
wondered
at
times
why
there
isn't
more
signage
for
those
businesses,
so
I
appreciate
that
and
I
also
appreciate
the
system
that
we
have
in
place
to
make
sure
that
if
we
miss
something
at
planning
and
zoning
that
we
then
have
this
system
to
bring
these
perspectives
forward
as
well.
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
those
businesses
be
promoted
and
thank
you
to
councilman
Hallie
Burton
for
bringing
forward
the
motion.
F
H
H
They
are
real
heat
sinks
and
having
the
trees
really
is
a
benefit
to
all
the
people
who
shop
there
and
park
there,
especially
on
days
like
today
and
over
time,
a
benefit
to
the
city
and
lowering
the
overall
temperature
in
the
city
from
the
heat
island
effect
of
these
kinds
of
places,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
as
we
go
forward
as
a
city,
we're
paying
attention
to
that
paying
attention
to
strategies
and
policies
that
both
support,
the
small
businesses
that
are
behind
those
trees
and
support
the
fact
that
having
those
trees
is
a
benefit
to
both
them
and
to
their
customers,
and
so
I'm
excited
about
the
compromise
that
we
found
today.
H
I
think
it
is
a
good
one
and
look
forward
as
we
bring
forward
the
very
detailed
portions
of
the
zoning
code
in
module
three
to
understanding
how
as
how
as
the
city
goes
forward,
we
can
ensure
that
we
can
continue
to
provide
this.
H
C
C
B
Q
A
A
So
this
next
item
is
a
film
permit,
film
permit
fee
hearing,
and
it
really
is
a
hearing
on
the
new
ordinance
being
proposed
for
filming
in
the
city
and
I
want
to
thank
council
president
Clegg
and
council
president
pro
tem
weddings
and
for
bringing
to
light
and
bringing
attention
to
the
need
for
something
like
this,
both
a
request
from
some
members
of
the
film
community
and
from
the
city's
perspective
and
your
work
on
it.
We
see
this
as
a
hearing
to
get
feedback.
A
If
you
I
only
had
Betsy
Russell,
very
good
job.
Betsy
sign
up
when
she
walked
into
the
lobby
and
I
appreciate
that
you
wrote
that,
with
the
caveat
as
written
recognizing
that
changes
will
be
made
the
if
so,
those
of
you
that
are
here
that
want
to
testify
there's
some
papers
there,
so
after
you've
testified
her
before
and
maybe
we
can
efficiently
do
it
where
one
of
you
is
testifying,
and
one
of
you
is
writing
your
name
down,
go
ahead
and
record
yourself
there.
So
we've
got
that
for
records.
R
Foreign
council
members,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today
to
present
the
film
permit
ordinance,
which
really
sets
sets
the
standards
for
governing
our
increasing
film
activities
within
our
community.
R
R
So,
with
this
direction
and
these
goals
in
mind
staff
invited
stakeholders
to
participate
in
the
process,
we
began
Outreach
by
sending
the
draft
ordinance
out
to
a
various
group
of
stakeholders.
You
can
see
the
different
types
of
stakeholders
that
were
invited
to
participate
and
that
in
fact
did
participate,
which
was
a
really
good
cross-section,
and
we
also
sent
out
a
survey
ahead
of
time
to
try
and
gain
Insight
ahead
of
our
stakeholder
meeting.
So
we
could
be
very
prepared.
I
say
we
I
would
like
to
recognize
Jen
patino
in
all
of
this.
R
R
R
What
are
the
best
practices
within
the
film
industry
that
you
see
in
other
jurisdictions?
Are
there
gaps
within
the
code
that
we
sent
out
for
your
review
that
do
not
address
issues
between
the
industry
and
the
city
and
so
on?
So
we
got
a
really
good
feel
for
some
of
the
topics
and
discussion
items
prior
to
actually
having
our
hybrid
meeting,
which
occurred
on
July
18th.
R
Based
on
that
hybrid
meeting
that
we
had
with
the
stakeholder
groups,
we
actually
implemented
almost
all
of
the
recommendations
in
the
draft
that
is
before
you
and
you'll,
hear
some
feedback
tonight
from
the
stakeholders
about
the
process.
If
there
are
areas
that
we
need
to
continue
to
look
at
to
develop
further
and
really
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
them
that
are
here
tonight,
all
of
them
that
have
participated
in
the
process.
It's
been
a
great
discussion.
R
It's
been
a
learning
opportunity
for
us,
as
staff
too,
really
again
trying
to
hit
the
mark
and
find
that
balance.
That's
right
for
our
community
and
the
film
industry
at
a
high
level.
Some
of
the
changes
that
we
actually
had
for
outcomes
from
our
stakeholder
meeting
I
will
hit
on
and
then
I'll
go
into
more
detail
as
we
go
through
the
presentation.
R
R
R
We
clarified
other
various
definitions
within
the
code
and
also
took
a
look
at
film
contest
provisions
again
we're
grateful
for
those
that
participated,
I
really
appreciate
not
just
during
the
stakeholder
meeting,
but
their
ongoing
feedback
that
they
have
provided
as
additional
drafts
have
been
sent
out.
Additionally,
they
have
extended
our
Outreach
to
some
of
their
local
groups
to
get
a
more
broadened
aspect
and
feedback
from
those
larger
kind
of
subgroups
within
the
film
industry.
R
Like
many
things
that
we
work
on,
we
think
it's
the
film
industry,
but
there
are
a
number
of
subgroups
that
have
different
and
varying
interests
and
needs
within
that
larger
industry.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
council
member
Sanchez
for
participating
in
that
stakeholder
meeting,
that
hybrid
meeting
that
we
had
and
providing
her
feedback
as
well.
R
So,
thank
you
so
at
the
heart
of
this
ordinance,
and
probably
the
biggest
thing
that
we're
asked
is,
when
is
a
film
permit
required,
and
that
was
what
we
were
really
trying
to
Define
and
really
trying
to
find
that
balance.
For
so
the
ordinance
was
really
amended
to
simplify
when
permits
are
needed,
with
the
goal
of
really
only
requiring
a
permit
when
certain
criteria
are
met,
primarily
those
with
higher
impacts
or
those
that
are
being
conducted
on
city
property,
with
very
specific
elements
as
well.
R
So
when
looking
at
when
are
film
permits
needed,
we
have
defined.
That
is
a
film
permit
is
needed
if
filming
activities
are
on
city
property
and
they
require
a
reservation.
They
require
entry
after
business
hours
when
the
general
public
is
not
allowed
on
site
or
would
be
disruptive
to
normal
functions
of
City
business.
R
R
R
So
low
impact
films
are
those
as
we
identified
in
that
first
slide
on
city
property
and
one
of
those
three
elements.
So
it
requires
a
reservation
after
our
use
or
disrupts
operation
of
City
business.
R
R
R
We
then
have
a
medium
impact,
which
includes
the
following
elements
of
impact,
so
you
would
be
required
to
have
a
film
permit
if
you
had
these
elements
of
impact.
Filming
Outdoors
between
the
hours
of
10,
pm
and
8
am
within
300
within
a
300
foot,
radius
of
a
residence
with
a
combined
crew
and
cast
of
more
than
five
people
in
working
with
the
stakeholders.
R
If
you
will
significantly
disrupt
the
normal
flow
of
pedestrian
traffic
or
if
you
will
close
sidewalks,
if
you
would
brandish
a
real
or
artificial
firearm
or
weapon
in
public
or
on
private
property
visible
to
the
public.
So
if
you
are
on
my
lawn
in
front
of
my
house
but
I'm
doing
a
shootout,
we're
going
to
ask
that
you
get
a
permit
if
you're
filming
that,
because
that
would
be
kind
of
a
high
level
of
concern
for
your
neighbors
as
to
what
is
that
activity.
R
So
we
would
have
notification
requirements
in
that
instance
same
thing:
if
there
are
any
type
of
sexual
activities
or
nudity
in
public
or
on
private
property,
that
same
logic
applies,
so
those
would
be
the
elements
that
would
require
a
medium
impact
film
permit
then.
Thirdly,
we
have
our
high
impacts,
so
the
permit
is
required
if
these
following
elements
of
impact
are
in
place.
R
These
are
things
like
dangerous
stunts:
excessive
noise,
dangerous
animals,
explosives
or,
if
you
are
going
to
disrupt
the
normal
flow
of
traffic
or
do
street
closures,
and
those
just
include
additional
agencies
that
potentially
need
to
be
involved
with
that,
especially
if
you're
doing
street
closures.
Those
are
just
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time
and
take
a
little
bit
more
permitting
to
get
into
place.
R
R
You
will
see
student
films
on
there
contest
films,
activities
conducted
by
or
for
the
city
or
by
other
state
agencies.
That
would
include
things
like
Idaho.
Public
television
would
be
exempt,
for
example,
because
they
are
a
state
agency.
R
I
think
that
most
significantly
noted
in
the
stakeholder
feedback
within
this
list
were
contest,
films
and
news,
media
and
I.
Think
you'll
hear
some
conversations
around
that,
so
I
wanted
to
pull
those
out
and
touch
base
a
little
bit
closer
and
provide
you
some
context
as
to
why
and
how
those
are
exempt
and
the
thought
process
by
having
them
here
on
this
list
and
what
those
definitions
entail.
R
So
first
film
contests
are
contemplated
within
the
code
and
may
require
a
permit
if
one
of
the
elements
of
impact
are
met.
So,
for
instance,
if
somebody
who's
doing
a
film
contest
is
going
to
do
a
high-speed
chase.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
insurance,
for
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there's
notification,
that
the
neighborhood
knows
that
the
community
knows
9-1-1
knows
all
of
those
types
of
things.
So
again
it
may
be
required
that
there
is
a
permit
that
is
issued.
R
This
will
allow
us
to
identify
Trends,
have
specific,
permitting
requirements
in
place
because
they
already
have
very
strict
guidelines
and
very
I,
don't
know
if
I
would
say
strict,
but
very
prominent
and
laid
out
guidelines
for
those
that
are
participating
in
those
contests.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
working
with
them
and
seeing
what
they
might
already
have
in
place
versus
what
they
don't
already
have
in
place
and
how
we
might
align
our
goals
with
what
they
have
existing.
R
We
are
recommending
that
these
rules
that
are
put
into
place
are
done
through
resolution,
not
specific
to
the
ordinance,
because
ordinances
are
a
little
bit
more
onerous
to
change
and,
as
we
see
trends
that
are
going
on
with
film
contests
so
on
and
so
forth,
we
can
do
that
still
by
Council
approval,
but
through
a
resolution
process.
Instead,
the
specifics
with
regards
to
this
are
forthcoming
and
we
would
like
to
have
these
in
place
prior
to
the
effective
date
of
any
ordinance.
R
Additionally,
as
we
Define
news
media
and
work
on
news
media
within
the
code,
we
were
very
specific
and
deliberate
in
how
we
defined
that,
for
the
purposes
of
this
discussion,
I'm
going
to
read
you
the
actual
definition
and
then
talk
to
it
a
little
bit,
but
news
media
in
code
is
defined
as
the
filming
activities
conducted
for
the
purpose
of
reporting
on
current
or
breaking
stories
involving
persons.
Events
or
scenes
by
newspaper,
television
or
other
outlets
that
are
devoted
solely
or
primarily
to
the
broadcasting
or
distribution
of
information
about
current
events.
R
So
as
we
conducted
stakeholder
feedback
and
stakeholder
meetings
and
Outreach,
it
was
clear
that
there
is
news
media
right
just
like
we
talked
about
current
events,
responding
to
breaking
news,
those
types
of
things,
but
there's
often
a
production
side
to
these
industries
as
well,
and
what
we
sometimes
look
at
as
news
media.
R
So
they
are
doing
commercials
they're
being
paid
to
do
paid
programming
things
like
infomercials,
a
parade
of
homes
or
something
that
might
be
on
TV
again
paid
content,
sponsored
content,
and
for
us
there
was
a
distinction
between
the
production
side
and
the
news
media
side.
So
that's
why
you
see
the
definite
new
definition
of
news
media
as
it
is
and
how
that
falls
into
the
exemption
within
this
code,
foreign.
R
So
as
we
look
at
our
application
process,
we'll
run
through
several
slides
and
examples
of
what
we're
proposing
for
an
application
process.
I
think
one
of
the
most
notable
concerns
heard
from
the
stakeholders
was
our
original
timeline
on
how
long
it
was
going
to
take
us
to
process
film
permits,
and
it
became
very
clear
that
we
needed
to
adjust
our
expectations
but
also
understand
the
needs
of
the
industry
and
what
that
typically
looks
like
so
these
stakeholder
conversations
were
very
valuable.
R
If
it
is
a
high
impact
event,
we
think
we
can
turn
those
around
if
they
are
completed
applications,
typically
within
five
business
days.
However,
if
they're
very
complex
across
jurisdictions,
so
on
and
so
forth,
it
may
take
a
little
bit
longer
in
which
to
approve
those,
but
our
goal
is
really
within
five
business
days.
R
R
So
with
that,
based
on
our
again
our
tiered
definitions,
we
did
reach
out
to
Ada
County
Highway
District
and
they
said
based
on
those
definitions.
They
also
feel
that
they
can
meet
the
three
to
five
day
window,
there's
some
nuances
in
there,
but
they
were
very
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
this.
Based
on
the
current
definitions,
we
have
laid
out
in
code.
R
If
somebody
had
something
and
they
were
going
to
have
five
confetti
cannons-
that
were
on
top
of
City
buildings
and
shoot
off
confetti,
we
might
ask
for
a
bond
for
cleanup,
anticipating
that
that
potentially
may
take
City
resources
to
clean
up
to
the
full
extent
after
something
like
that
occurs.
So
that
was
just
an
example
based
on
applications
being
submitted
and
as
I
mentioned,
the
city
clerk's
office
would
be
the
one
to
intake
the
applications.
R
We
would
do
the
permit
review
through
our
existing
process
for
special
events
and
the
staff
we
have
to
manage
that
we
would
actually
reach
out
to
all
of
the
external
stakeholders
and
all
of
the
internal
stakeholders
who
are
very
similar
to
those
that
we
work
with
in
our
special
event
team.
Again,
if
it's
very
complex,
we
would
use
our
special
event
team,
with
all
13
agencies,
represented
kind
of
that
One-Stop
shop,
to
review
those
more
complex
applications.
R
Okay,
of
course,
with
any
application
that
we
put
forth.
Now
we
do
have
contact
information
that
we
would
be
requesting.
In
this
case
there
would
be
multiple
layers
of
contacts.
I'll
show
you
an
example
of
another
city.
Here
in
just
a
moment,
but
we
want
to
have
a
simple
form,
but
yet
we
want
it
to
be
dynamic
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is.
We
may
have
a
yes
or
no
checklist.
Are
you
going
to
have
this
in
your
production?
Yes,
oh,
it
may
expand
and
show
you
more
information
or
provide
additional
requirements.
R
If
the
answer
is
no,
you
just
move
on
to
the
next
question,
so
we're
working
on
developing
those
types
of
forms
and
applications
within
our
office.
Already
and
again,
we
would
like
to
have
it
very
much
in
alignment,
and
this
would
be
very
much
an
alignment
with
our
special
event
permitting
project
that
we
are
working
on
and
it
would
have
workflows
internally
to
speed
up
the
process
with
our
internal
stakeholders.
R
I
did
want
to
provide
a
couple
of
examples
for
you
for
the
application
process
and
what
it
might
look
like
in
talking
to
the
stakeholders
that
were
involved.
They
suggested
Seattle
as
well
as
New
Orleans,
that
they
had
really
good
applications,
really
good
documentation,
and
so
we
did
look
to
that
and
I'll
just
share
with
you
what
their
applications
look
like
and
you
can
just
kind
of
see
what
they
ask
for
and
what
those
entail.
R
Hopefully,
that's
a
little
bit
easier
to
read,
but
you
can
see
that
they
ask
questions
such
as
you
know,
total
production
budget,
which
might
not
be
something
that
we
would
ask
for
initially
based
on
our
current
draft,
but
something
that
we
might
need
to
consider
the
local
talent,
the
number
of
local
crew.
They
ask
for
things
that
are
more
specific
than
what
we
would
ask
for,
but
it
kind
of
gives
you
the
idea
of
what
they
would
look
for.
R
R
And
you
can
see
that
they
have
much
very
similar
kind
of
process
as
to
how
they
lay
that
out
and
what
they
look
for
here.
This
is
their
contact
page
and
things
that
they
look
for.
I
will
scroll
through
this
as
well,
because
you
will
see
there
are
a
number
of
different
contacts
that
they
request.
We
would
be
requesting
those
same
different
levels
of
contacts
within
our
application.
R
R
Conversely,
and
this
one
is
very
hard
to
see
as
well,
but
this
gives
you
an
example
of
what
our
existing
permitting
process
looks
like
with
two
different
screens
so
on
the
right
is
our
contact
page.
It
doesn't
look
much
different
than
what
you
just
saw
in
those
other
jurisdictions.
What
you
see
on
the
left
hand.
Side
starts
for
us.
This
is
for
a
catering
permit
as
an
example,
but
it
says
event
organizer.
What
type
of
event
do
you
have?
How
many
days
are
your
events?
R
So,
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
the
hearing
this
afternoon
or
this
evening
is
with
regards
to
fees
so,
as
indicated
earlier,
the
different
types
of
permits
have
been
defined
here,
so
we
have
low
impact.
We're
proposing
no
fee
for
the
low
impact
applications
and
permits
medium
impact
would
be
no
application
fee,
but
a
25
per
day
fee.
R
The
annual
low
impact
would
have
no
fees
Associated,
as
there
were
no
fees
associated
with
the
initial
low
impact.
If
it
was
a
one-off
versus
the
annual
permit,
a
high
impact
permit
is
being
proposed
would
an
application
fee
of
250
dollars,
plus
a
25
per
day
fee
again
we
talked
about
exemptions
earlier
so
contest
applications.
Student
films,
non-profits
for
non-commercial
purposes,
also
are
being
proposed
for
no
fee.
R
One
thing
to
note
is
that,
while
there
are
no
necessarily
permit
fees
or
in
some
cases,
there
are
and
some
per
day
fees.
We
also
have
to
note,
however,
that
other
applicant
agencies
permit
fees
apply,
so
these
would
be
the
fees
collected
through
the
clerk's
office.
However,
if
you
needed
an
achd
permit
to
close
down
a
road
or
a
traffic
control
plan,
you
would
need
to
pay
the
associated
fees
for
that
agency.
If
you
required
a
Park
reservation
fee,
you
would
be
required
to
pay
that
Park
reservation
fee.
R
The
proposed
fees
that
you
see
here
were
really
designated
to
incentivize
the
film
industry
to
do
business
within
Boise
and
it
is
consistent
with
other
jurisdictions
and
how
they
have
laid
out
their
fee
structures.
I
do
want
to
know
that
this
is
not
a
cost
recovery
model.
We
did
look
at
that
and
the
standard
cost
recovery
model
to
include
staff
time.
One
time
ongoing
software
costs
Etc
was
estimated
about
300
to
350
on
average
per
permit.
So
again,
this
is
really
focused
on
incentivizing
the
film
industry
to
do
business
here.
R
So,
in
addition
to
the
fees
and
incentivizing
film,
the
film
industry,
to
do
business
here
in
Boise,
we
looked
at
other
ways
that
we
could
provide
incentives.
We
also
work
with
the
stakeholders
to
look
at
what
those
incentives
might
look
like.
So
here
is
a
list
of
incentives
that
were
put
forth
by
stakeholders
and
staff
and
would
certainly
be
up
to
Mayor
and
Council
to
determine
if
and
how
they
would
like
to
implement
any
of
these
potential
incentives.
Just
to
call
out
a
couple.
R
There
were
recommendations
for
parking
for
scouting
per
day
parking
for
production,
Vehicles
having
a
waiver
of
fees
or
reduced
fees
having
a
pre-approved
vendor
list
for
those
that
might
be
from
out
of
the
area.
So
they
know
when
they
come
in
that
they
know
that
some
of
these
companies
that
they're
engaging
with
have
a
good
relationship
with
the
city
and
know
the
expectations
you
can
kind
of
go
through
the
list.
R
We
certainly
would
want
to
provide
a
website
social
media
with
information
resources,
educational
materials
for
the
industry
to
make
it
easy
for
them
to
do.
Business
here
also
I
think
our
existing
framework,
our
ability
to
be
responsive
our
One-Stop
shop
through
our
special
event.
Application
format
is
also
an
incentive.
I
think
the
thing
that
we
heard,
although
it
is
last
on
the
list,
but
that
we
heard
most
from
the
industry
is
we
would
like
to
have
a
film
office.
R
We
would
like
to
have
dedicated
staff
so
wanted
to
share
that
with
this
team
we
don't
know
what
the
volume
might
look
like.
Currently,
you
know
we
feel
that
initially
we
can
manage
this
with
our
existing
staff,
but
we
may
need
to
look
at
adding
staff
at
a
future
time
or
looking
at
something
like
a
film
office.
If
this
is
expanded,
and
if
we
see
there
is
a
huge
need
for
this
in
our
community.
R
So
that
really
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today
which,
as
Madam
mayor
mentioned,
we
are
at
the
public
hearing
for
the
ordinance,
as
well
as
for
the
fees
next
steps
based
on
the
the
feedback
that
Council
receives
this
evening,
is
that
we
could
set
the
ordinance
for
the
reading
calendar.
We
could
do
a
first
reading
tonight.
We
could
do
a
first
reading
in
the
future
could
be
sent
back
to
be
amended
by
staff
based
on
the
direction
received
from
Council
and
the
community.
R
This
evening
we
will
have
to
do
an
adoption
of
fees
which
would
be
done
through
a
resolution
and
again
we
are
proposing
if
we
are
moving
forward
at
a
pretty
rapid
Pace
January
2023
is
an
effective
date.
This
would
allow
us
to
get
system
implementations
for
our
applications,
our
websites,
up
with
the
appropriate
materials
for
the
stakeholders
and
the
industry,
so
on
and
so
forth.
It
would
also
allow
us
for
community
and
stakeholder
Outreach
and
education
based
on
what
is
proposed
within
the
ordinance.
D
Is
that
a
mayor?
Thank
you.
So
much
Jamie
and
I
really
appreciate
your
and
Jen
patino's.
Work
on
this
I
know
that
it's
when
we
kind
of
started
this
process,
we
gave
you
a
general
direction,
and
that
was
we've
heard
that
people
want
to
do
Film
Production
in
Boise,
but
they
won't
do
it
here,
because
there's
no
laid
out
structure
to
do
that,
and
so
people
are
a
little
bit
trepidatious.
D
So
we
want
to
see
something
that
gives
people
certainty
so
that
if
you're
coming
here
doing
a
Film,
Production
you're
not
suddenly
going
to
be.
You
know,
accosted
by
city
code
enforcement
for
violating
one
thing
or
the
other,
and
the
other
purpose
was
to
kind
of
gather
data
and
see
what
the
industry
looks
like
here
in
Boise,
because
we
really
don't
have.
We
don't
have
that
information.
D
D
We've
heard
some
feedback
that
this
is
maybe
a
little
bit
narrow
of
a
definition
that
it
wouldn't
cover
things
like
public
affairs
or
you
know,
more
historical
type,
media.
That's
created
here
locally,
I'm
curious
how
you
came
up
with
this
particular
definition
and
if
they're
I
think
that
there
could
be
a
little
bit
broader
definition
that
also
that
also
touches
on
your
concern
that
news
media
sometimes
also
does
commercial
filmography.
So
can
you
kind
of
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that
or
touch
on
that?
A
little
bit.
R
Absolutely
Madam
mayor
council,
member
woodings,
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
looked
at
was
just
how
to
define
these
media.
Just
like
you
asked,
and
so
we
did
focus
on
what
we
have
seen
in
other
Industries
focused
on
just
current
and
breaking
news,
not
really
the
production
side,
and
we
heard
some
of
that
within
our
stakeholder
discussions
as
well.
I.
Think,
what's
important
to
note,
is
we
have
an
exemption
for
news
media?
R
So
that's
one
piece
right
as
defined.
We
have
an
exemption
for
that,
but
because
news
media
does
something
historical,
let's
say
at
the
Egyptian
Theater.
If
they
don't
hit
one
of
those
elements
of
impact,
it
still
doesn't
mean
that
they
have
to
get
a
permit,
it's
only
if
they
hit
one
of
those
other
elements
or
they're
on
city
property.
That
requires
one
of
those
three
components
that
we
talked
about,
that
they
would
need
to
apply
for
a
permit.
R
So
I
think
that
was
also
a
factor
in
our
definition
in
our
consideration
of
this,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whether
news,
media
or
else
you
know
other
portions
of
the
industry,
it's
not
to
regulate
everything.
It's
to
regulate
those
things
that
have
a
high
impact
they're
going
to
have
things
that
are
concerning
to
the
public
that
might
be
a
little
bit
more
high
risk
or
take
place
on
city
property.
R
And
then
we
just
need
to
be
mindful
of
what
that
looks
like
you
know,
for
the
public
property
piece
for
the
city
and
making
sure
that
we
have
the
right
Tools
in
place.
If
somebody
is
using
public
property
or
city
property
and
displacing
others.
If
that
makes
sense,
so
I
think
again,
a
couple
different
pieces
news
media
is
exempt,
is
defined,
but
if
they're
doing
something
else
that
doesn't
have
one
of
those
High
elements
of
impact
they're
not
going
to
need
to
be
permitted
either.
D
Yeah
but
it
does
answer
my
question,
but
it's
not
my
interpretation
of
how
this
is
written,
so
we
might
have
to
come
back
to
that
later
and
then
I
wanted
to
go
to
the
penalties
piece
at
the
end,
it
has
a
violation
penalty
is
a
general
misdemeanor.
Can
you
kind
of
talk
to
speak
to
why
that
was
the
proposed
penalty?
Absolutely.
R
Madam
mayor
council,
member
woodings,
so
a
couple
different
factors
there
as
well.
As
you
have
heard
me
speak
and
as
we
could
run
statistics,
our
goal
is
always
compliance
and
the
compliance
office
works
very
closely
with
licensing.
So
our
goal
is
always
compliance.
I
can
probably
count
on
one
hand
the
number
of
misdemeanors
that
we've
written,
probably
in
the
last
two
years,
so
we
use
that
when
there
are
situations
in
which
somebody
is
not
complying
if
we
went
with
infractions,
the
challenge
is:
is
the
State
caps
us
as
at
an
infraction
of
a
hundred
dollars?
R
A
hundred
dollar
infraction,
is
kind
of
a
slap
on
the
wrist
and
what
our
thought
process
was.
Why
wouldn't
I
just
conduct
business
and
pay
a
hundred
dollar
fine
versus
getting
a
permit
and
making
sure
I'm
doing
things
the
right
way
so
making
sure
that
you
know
we
have
that
balance
again.
If
the
most
we
can
charge
is
an
infraction
of
a
hundred
dollars,
why
wouldn't
I
do
that
versus
actually
getting
the
permit,
because
that
cost
is
really
de
minimis
great
thank.
F
F
You
Madame
thank
you.
Jamie
I'm,
just
wondering
how
how
what
we've
got
in
this
ordinance
regarding,
like
guns
and
nudity,
how?
How
does
that
intersect
with
the
state
law
which
As
We
Know?
It's
pretty
lacks
about
guns
in
public
and
I.
Think
in
terms
of
nudity
I,
think
women
are
the
ones
on
the
bad
end
of
that
men
can
go
topless
in
public
I.
Don't
think
women
are
allowed
to
do
that
so,
except
if
you're,
breastfeeding,
I
think
so.
I'm
just
wondering
how
this
is
going
to
fit
in
with
state
law.
R
Madam,
mayor
council,
member
Sanchez,
great
question,
I'm,
not
sure
I
have
a
total
direct
answer
for
that.
I
just
know
that
we
were
looking
at.
You
know
certainly
making
sure
as
we're
drafting
code
that
we're
not
inconsistent
with
with
what
state
code
allows
and
I
know
from
the
gun
perspective
that
was
crosswalked
to
make
sure
that
we
could
manage
it
in
this
way,
as
outlined
in
the
ordinance
I.
Think
our
larger
concern
was
what
is
the
impact
to
the
public?
R
What
is
the
impact
to
the
businesses
this
might
be
in
front
of
or
the
families
that
might
be
walking
by
and
so
I
think
it's
not
that
we
are
precluding
that
from
happening,
but
we're
saying
you
need
a
permit.
So
if
you're
planning
on
doing
something
that
has
nudity
out
on
Main
Street,
we
might
permit
that,
but
we
might
require
that
you
put
up
screens,
so
the
general
public
cannot
see
right.
K
First
I
appreciate
council
member
Sanchez's
question,
because
if
somebody
can
show
up
with
swords
on
city
council
steps,
then
what
would
make
them
not
be
able
to
do
it
for
a
filming
permit,
so
it
does
seem
like
there's.
You
know
some
challenges
there,
but
those
types
of
things
also
in
action,
the
computer
be
perceived
as
wrong.
I
think
maybe
there's
a
line
there.
I
have
an
understanding,
I
feel
like
of
the
low
impact
and
the
medium
impact.
K
K
K
If
we
have
somebody
who
is
doing
a
high
impact
filming
event,
it
falls
into
that
category.
I
guess:
I,
don't
know
what
what
the
difference
or
what
line
has
to
be
crossed.
When
we
say,
oh,
that's
not
just
a
permit
that
we
can
get
to
you
within
five
days
versus
you're
going
to
have
to
wait
for
the
next
special
events
committee
meeting,
which
I
think
is
every
month,
and
so
how
do
we?
R
Madam
mayor
councilmember,
Holly
Burton,
that's
a
great
question
and
I
think
to
some
extent
it
is
going
to
have
to
be
considered
how
many
different
agencies
need
to
be
involved
in
that
discussion.
What
does
that
do
those
elements?
R
Look
like
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
have
a
huge
bonfire
or
we're
going
to
have
a
building
on
fire
and
we're
going
to
be
shutting
down
roads
and
those
types
of
things
we're
probably
going
to
invoke,
and
if
you're
going
to
have
you
know,
100
cast
and
crew
you're,
probably
going
to
need
things
like
trash
and
recycling
and
you're
going
to
need
a
parking
plan
and
you're
going
to
need
a
traffic
control
plan.
R
Those
things
just
Elevate
again
and
those
elements
of
impact
would
put
someone
in
that
high
category
I,
don't
think
the
intent
is
that
we
would
wait
for
the
special
event
team
to
meet
and
they
meet
twice
a
month
that
we
would,
however,
invoke
that
process
and
those
team
members
to
take
a
look
at
that
event
or
that
filming
project
in
a
very
similar
way
that
we
would
look
at
events
to
make
sure
we
had
that
One-Stop
shop.
So
we're
not
saying
oh
that's
great,
but
you
need
to
work
with
fire.
Oh
that's
great!
R
You
need
to
have
a
trash
and
recycling
plan.
We
can
have
them
come
to
that
special
event.
Team
group,
who
is
now
also
the
film
permit
group,
and
they
may
have
to
come
together
for
a
special
meeting
to
take
a
look
at
this,
but
again
all
of
those
resources
and
that
process
is
in
place
for
a
One-Stop
shop
to
also
be
a
benefit
to
the
film
industry.
In
that
particular.
K
Just
a
quick
follow-up:
there
I
think
that
that's
where
maybe
I
might
need
just
a
little
bit
of
a
further
definition,
because
when,
in
my
experience,
planning
for
an
event,
sometimes
there's
a
certain
amount
of
people
that
triggers
this
is
when
I
can
just
do
this.
And
this
is
when
I
have
to
go
to
the
special
events
committee
and
so
there's
sort
of
a
some
different
trigger
points
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
K
The
anticipation
of
this
is
going
to
be
approved
in
five
days
versus
this
is
going
to
take
some
time
to
actually
get
on
the
special
events
committee
meeting
agenda
and
then
once
you
get
on
there,
it
still
may
take
you
an
additional
five
or
six
days
to
get
that
Citizen's
use
permit
from
achd
and
fire,
and
all
these
other
groups,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
where
I'm
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
Clarity
for
people
who
are
trying
to
get
something
done,
that
we
can
kind
of.
Have
that.
R
And
Madam
mayor
council,
member
Hallie
Burton,
we
can
certainly
work
to
pinpoint
some
of
those
things
and
and
maybe
be
better
Define.
That
and
again
I've
said
special
event
committee,
because
that
is
the
makeup.
Maybe
we
have
to
change
the
name
of
that
and
for
film
purposes
to
get
those
turned
around.
You
know
we
call
special
meetings.
I
think
what
is
that
threshold
is
very
well
defined.
R
Within,
These,
special
events,
code,
I
think
the
challenge
with
this
is
is
if
it
is
across
the
jurisdictions,
if
it's
taking
different
resources,
it
probably
is
just
going
to
take
more
time
and
we've
had
that
where
we've
had
something
that
starts
in
in
Ada,
County
or
Boise
County
and
comes
into
Ada
County
in
Boise
city
and
Garden
City,
and
then
you
know
we're
back
into
you
know:
Horseshoe
Bend
and
those
things
are
just
going
to
take
more
time
by
nature
and
that's
our
experience,
even
with
special
events
that
those
things
do
take
more
time
and
those
are
things
while
we're
coordinating
as
a
city.
R
Those
are
agencies.
We
don't
have
control
over.
So
that's
kind
of
the
caveat
for
some
of
those
those
challenges
but
happy
to
work
with
you
to
Define
further
perfect.
C
R
Madam
mayor
council,
member
bajent,
there
is
an
appeal
process,
as
defined
in
31a
of
the
Boise
city
code,
which
is
also
our
licensing
code.
A
number
of
years
ago
we
took
all
of
the
varying
appeal
processes
out
of
every
single
section
of
code
and
centralize
that
within
the
general
business
licensing
section,
so
we
have
a
consistent
process
for
all
appeals
for
permits,
and
that
is
where
that
is
located.
That
is
referenced,
I
think
at
least
once,
if
not
twice,
within
the
existing
draft
of
the
film
ordinance.
S
H
C
Other
question:
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
what
type
of
applicant
or
what
type
of
film
Project
requires
a
demonstration
of
insurance
and
what
doesn't
like,
who
needs
to
who
needs
to
demonstrate.
They
have
insurance
under
this.
This
draft.
R
Madam
mayor
council,
member
of
agent,
anybody
who
is
required
to
have
a
permit
would
be
required
to
have
insurance.
R
So
the
ones
that
are
exempt
do
have
other
provisions
and
other
ways
that
we
have
been
working
with
getting
Insurance
So
currently
under
the
current
draft.
Yes,
they
are
required
to
have
insurance
in
other
jurisdictions.
We
have
seen
where
students
fall
under
the
insurance
of
the
University
or
college
in
which
they
are
attending
same
thing.
With
film
contests,
we
have
been
working
with
I-48
on
how
they
might
even
be
able
to
have
a
general
insurance.
R
A
H
Yeah
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Sorry
I
was
having
trouble
figuring
out
when
so
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
the
questions
that
have
been
asked.
Jamie.
H
First,
on
the
penalties
you
mentioned,
that
you
thought
you
know
an
infraction
might
not
be
enough
deterrence
to
someone
to
do
something
that
that
otherwise,
you
know,
might
cause
some
trouble
for
some
of
our
residents.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
having
only
one
level
of
enforcement
is
always
a
danger.
H
We've
seen
this
before,
when
you
have
only
a
misdemeanor
and
there's,
you
know
you
can't
make
an
innocent
mistake
without
triggering
that
then
You
probably
haven't
written
this
right.
Did
you
consider
having
various
levels,
not
just
a
misdemeanor,
but
also
infractions,
depending
on
what
the
the
problem
was.
R
H
You
and
then
back
to
the
special
event.
I
was
also
having
trouble
trying
to
distinguish
when
it
was
a
special
event
and
when
it
was
just
a
high
impact
and
I
was
particularly
troubled,
that
we
seem
to
be
promising
that
even
with
a
high
impact,
we'll
try
to
do
a
permit
in
five
days.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
speed
that
you're
trying
to
work
with
the
low
impact
and
medium
impact
and,
in
fact,
would
like
to
work
on
maybe
a
one
day,
One-Stop
shop
for
low
impact.
H
If
we
can
do
that
in
some
way,
but
on
a
high
impact,
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
little
more
nuanced
in
what
we're
saying
to
folks.
If
it's
a
run-of-the-mill,
you
know
Garden
variety
high
impact.
We
can
probably
do
it
in
five
days,
but
we
should
probably
have
a
range
in
that
one,
including
up
to
30
days,
if
you
think
it's
going
to
trigger
the
special
event
Clause,
so
that
we
don't
create
unrealistic
expectations.
I
guess
that's
my
biggest
concern.
I
wondered
if
you
had
talked
through
that.
R
Madam
mayor
councilmember
Clegg,
we
had
talked
through
that
we
have
worked
with
outside
agencies
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
promising
something
that
we
didn't
think
they
could
deliver
as
well,
because
certainly
their
approval
processes
are
outside
of
our
jurisdiction
and
I.
Think
that's
why
I
might
have
to
look
at
the
exact
code
language,
but
it
is
five
days
or
more
so
I
think
you
are
correct.
R
We
could
potentially
look
at
dividing
that
maybe
a
little
bit
differently,
but
in
some
cases,
yes,
we
did
look
at
what
would
it
take
and
does
it
need
to
take
a
longer
time
frame
and
initially
we
had
set
on
for
some
up
to
30
days,
and
that
was
certainly
a
concern
of
the
industry.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
final
question
around
the
definition
of
news
media
I
do
find
it
to
be
pretty
limiting,
as
it's
currently
talked
about
with
only
current
events
being
those
that
are
considered
news,
because
certainly
I
think
the
news
media
oftentimes
does
features
that
include
a
backstory
that
isn't
a
production
paid
for
by
another
I
I
understand
that
the
news
companies
do
some
fee
for
service
Productions
or
they
do
bigger
Longer.
H
You
know
higher
quality,
High
higher
impact
Productions,
but
I
think
there's
also
some
room
in
that
definition
to
talk
about
the
kinds
of
backstory
filming
that
they
do
to
bring
a
good
factual
information
to
people
about
what
the
history
of
a
certain
event
is
as
it's
as
we're
trying
to
understand.
The
current
event
of
the
day,
so
I
guess
in
in
my
mind,
would
probably
tend
to
agree
with
councilmember
woodings
that
we
might
need
to
look
at
that.
A
little
more.
F
Amanda
mayor,
yes,
thank
you
so
Jamie
I
I'm
thinking
about
who
would
ultimately
be
responsible
for
procuring
these
licenses
and
permits
and
thinking
about
I'm
trying
not
to
get
too
far
in
the
weeds.
F
But
you
know:
I've
been
a
part
of
that
gig
economy
and
I've
been
on
camera
talent
and
doing
voiceovers
with
production
companies
in
in
Boise
for
over
20
years,
and
sometimes
it
is
a
mishmash
you
like
just
patch
things
together
and
so,
for
example,
we
have
health-wise
which
produces
videos
and,
and
so
they
look
for
natural
settings,
people's
homes,
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
I
recall
being
the
actor
in
the
video,
but
also
I'm,
offering
up
the
home
that
I
rent
as
a
place
to
do
the
filming,
which
also
included
us
doing
some
scenes
outside
on
the
sidewalk.
F
When
I
think
about
that
who
would
have
been
responsible
for
procuring
a
permit?
Would
we
need
one,
because
we
were
filming
on
the
sidewalk
at
some
point,
I'm
thinking
about
those
those
little
weird
little
moments
like
that?
Clearly,
we
didn't
get
a
permit
because
we
didn't
need
one
at
that
time.
What
would
that
look
like
moving
forward?
Would
that
be
health-wise's
responsibility?
Would
it
be
mine,
as
the
contractor,
who
was
offering
up
a
space
and
was
was
being
paid
for
the
use
of
that
space
moments
like
that
is
what
I'm
thinking
about.
R
So
Madame
mayor
council,
member
Sanchez,
you
know
in
the
code
it's
the
person
who
desires
to
engage
in
filming
activities
that
require
a
film
permit,
so
we
would
be
looking
at
getting
the
contact
information
for
all
of
those,
so
the
producer
right
who's,
your
on-site
contact.
We
would
want
to
get
all
of
that
information.
R
So
really
anybody
could
be
the
applicant
as
long
as
they
could
share.
All
of
those
details
with
us
is
my
understanding.
S
Greetings
Madame
mayor
and
members
of
the
council,
I'm
Betsy,
Russell
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Idaho
Press
Club
foreign
I,
also
have
submitted
my
comments
in
writing
and
you
all
have
those
and
tonight
I
am
also
speaking
for
Idaho
public
television
at
the
request
of
Jeff
Tucker,
who
was
not
able
to
be
here
tonight
the
general
manager
of
Idaho
public
television,
and
he
does
concur
in
my
remarks.
S
S
Joan
has
now
left
for
an
overseas
trip
and
I
am
stepping
in
for
her
with
regard
to
representation
of
the
Idaho
Press
Club.
On
this
matter,
I
would
ask
you
to
please
change
the
definition
of
news
media
in
the
proposed
ordinance
as
written
now
in
the
current
draft
it
defines
news
media,
as
only
the
coverage
of
quote
current
or
breaking
stories
or
quote
current
events.
That
is
only
a
subset
of
news
media
coverage.
The
news
media
also
report
on
issues,
Trends
features
and
other
topics
that
may
not
involve
current
or
breaking
stories
or
current
events.
S
Examples
include
a
local
TV
station
doing
a
report
on
the
history
of
a
notable
downtown
building
like
the
Egyptian
Theater,
a
feature
on
a
local
business,
a
documentary
about
a
topic
not
involving
current
events,
a
q,
a
with
idahoans
about
their
opinions.
On
a
particular
question,
Etc
after
conversations
with
several
council
members,
I
agree
with
the
suggestion
from
council
member
Patrick
bajent
to
delete
the
news
media
definition
from
the
definition
section
and
instead
amend
section
3-20-6
C4
in
the
exemption
section
to
address
this
section.
S
3-20-6
C4
currently
lists
among
exemptions
to
the
permit
requirements,
quote
filming
activities
for
the
purposes
of
news.
Media
council
member
bajent
noted
that
this
is
the
only
place
in
the
ordinance
where
news
media
appears,
and
the
only
purpose
of
the
definition
appears
to
be
to
apply
to
this
exemption.
Language
here
is
my
proposal
to
amend
section
3-20-6c4,
to
which
council
member
agent
has
informed
me.
He
has
given
his
quote
full-throated
endorsement.
Thank
you,
council,
member
media,
filming
activities,
filming
activities
conducted
for
the
purpose
of
broadcasting
or
Distributing
news
and
information.
S
A
S
A
S
C
Betsy
one
quick
question
for
you:
we
heard
from
two
other
council
members
about
the
news
media
definition,
a
separate
concern
that
I
had
with
it
was
that
it
defined
news
media
in
terms
of
newspaper,
television
or
other
outlets
and
I.
Wonder
if
you
can
just
briefly
share
from
your
perspective
with
the
Idaho
Press
Club
like
who
does
the
news,
because
my
sense
is
it's
not
just
the
established
Outlets
like
an
established
newspaper
or
an
established
television
channel.
C
S
I'm
not
actually
sure
that's
in
the
ordinance
as
drafted
those
words,
the
it
seems
like
what
the
ordinance
was
trying
to
do
was
to
Define
news
media
by
talking
about
the
activities
we're
engaging
in
rather
than
Who,
We,
Are
and
I
heard
from
Jamie
as
to
why
that
was.
S
N
N
Members
of
the
council
Don
day
with
Boise
Dev
176
South,
Capitol,
Boulevard,
Boise
I'm,
also
a
member
of
the
Idaho
Press
Club
board,
but
I'm
speaking
solely
as
the
owner
of
Boise
Deb.
Here
it
is
extraordinary
for
me
to
testify
in
matters
of
our
city,
as
our
team
usually
covers
them,
as
you
know,
and
we'll
cover
this
issue
fairly
and
evenly
too
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
went
into
this
by
city
leaders,
staff
and
stakeholders.
N
However,
I
must
encourage
you
to
reconsider
the
current
language
in
the
ordinance
as
it
pertains
to
local
media,
as
has
been
discussed.
Quite
simply,
it
violates
the
First
Amendment
of
the
Constitution,
an
extensive
case
law.
The
First
Amendment
says.
Of
course
the
government
shall
make
no
law
abridging.
N
The
freedom
of
the
press,
the
city
ordinance
has
drafted
does
that
by
deciding
to
legislate
what
activities
the
Press
can
take
on
public
or
other
property,
the
ordinance
language
abridges,
one
of
our
nation's
most
cherished
freedoms,
the
language
says
the
media
can
only
engage
in
matters
that
are
current
or
breaking
without
getting
your
permission,
but
our
local
Jordan,
our
local
journalists,
often
work
on
stories
that
aren't
neither
of
those
things
they
may
be
on
History.
They
may
be
on
the
future.
N
It
is
not
your
role
or
place
to
decide
what
we
can
cover
or
in
what
manner.
Further,
by
chaining
this
to
a
misdemeanor
misdemeanor
penalty,
a
journalist
could
be
jailed
or
fined
if
the
city
decides
that
their
work
isn't
current
or
breaking,
and
you
might
say,
that's
not
our
intent
that
we
wouldn't
do
that.
Fair,
perhaps
not
this
Council
today,
but
maybe
another
Council
in
the
future.
Doing
so.
N
Armed
with
this
poorly
worded
ordinance
language,
the
media
journalists
should
not
be
asked
to
get
a
permit
and
tell
the
government
what
it
plans
to
do
in
advance.
That's
not
how
our
open
and
Free
Press
in
this
country
works.
The
ordinance
is
written
gives
a
wide
carve
out
for
the
government
and
government-owned
media
to
say
a
news.
Outlet
owned
by
the
government
can
do
as
it
pleases,
but
a
news
Outlet
owned
by
the
private
sector
cannot
is
inappropriate.
N
A
K
K
Yeah
just
wondering
if
you
have
any
advice
on
how
we
distinguish
I
think
what
one
of
the
intentions
was
to
address
a
form
of
advertising,
or
you
know,
paid
things.
I
think
prayer
to
homes
was
given
an
example.
Do
you
have
any
advice?
How
we
address
that,
because
that
I
think
probably
is
an
important
distinction,
whereas
the
other
is
maybe
a
little
bit
different
yeah.
N
I
mean
I
used
to
work
at
Channel
7
and
they
have
an
active
and
vibrant
commercial
production.
Department
I
think
one
of
the
representatives
might
be
there
tonight
and
I
think
that
defining
that
might
be
better
than
trying
to
define
the
other
those
those
commercials
that
commercial
work.
Certainly
I
understand
your
intent
to
do
that.
N
But
the
way
it's
written
right
now,
it's
steps
so
far
over
that
and
says
well
we're
going
to
Define
what
activities
journalists
can
take
instead
of
trying
to
instead
say
we'd
prefer
if
commercial
production
work,
which
is
what
that's
kind
of
broadly
called,
is
permitted.
I
know,
that's
tricky
and
I
understand,
really
appreciate,
Jamie
and
staff's
work
to
try
and
thread
that
needle
but
I'm
concerned
that
the
way
it
is
right
now,
frankly,
wouldn't
wouldn't
stand
up
in
court.
A
T
Madam
mayor
and
Council,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
ordinance
tonight.
The
proposed
ordinance.
Oh
sorry,
you
think
I'd
know
how
to
operate
a
microphone
I'm
with
I'm
Jennifer
eisenhart
with
wide
eye
Productions
we're
a
professional
video
production
company
we've
been
doing
business
in
Boise
for
20
years.
We
have
six
employees
and
we
do
commercial
production
and
we
do
documentary
Productions
as
well.
T
We've
worked
with
a
lot
of
different
government
agencies
and
municipalities
on
film
permits
and
I.
Just
really
want
to
thank
Jamie
for
working
with
us
and
listening
to
our
feedback
and
incorporating
this
into
the
ordinance.
It's
been
a
very
open
dialogue
back
and
forth
on
the
on
the
ordinance
and
I
feel
that
Jamie's
done
a
great
job
in
listening
to
us
and
incorporating
many
of
our
original
concerns
with
the
original
draft
of
this
ordinance
and
I
really
hope
that
this
can
lead
to
a
film
permit.
T
That
is
useful
not
only
for
the
city
to
get
some
metrics
on
production
in
Boise
and
commercial
production
in
the
city,
but
also
to
just
sort
of
raise
the
level
of
production
in
in
the
community.
For
professionals
like
ourselves,
we
did
have
a
couple
of
issues:
I,
we
don't
work
and
do
news
production
so
much,
but
we
do
documentary
film
and
I
know
that
documentaries
were
not
really
listed
in
part
of
the
definition
of
news.
Media
I
do
believe
that
documentary
films
should
be
a
part
of
that
definition.
T
T
You
know
pretty
much.
Everyone
in
the
stakeholder
meetings
that
we've
held
we've
had
several
are
very
concerned
about
the
best
demeanor
penalty
and
feeling,
like
that's
pretty
heavy-handed.
If
someone
makes
a
mistake,
you
know,
maybe
they
should
get
an
infraction
and
or
maybe
there
are
stages
to
the
penalties.
T
I
did
talk
to
Jamie
about
the
commercial
automobile
insurance
at
one
million
that
is
much
higher
than
we
are
required
to
carry
by
many
of
the
largest
employers
in
Idaho
that
hire
us
to
do
commercial
production.
We
carry
500
000
in
commercial
automobile
insurance
and
that's
a
standard,
that's
accepted
by
many
companies
that
we
work,
for.
We
were
hoping
that
the
city
would
maybe
consider
matching
that
amount
and
I
just
want
to.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us
and
and
incorporating
our
feedback.
T
We
really
do
hope
that
this
can
develop
some
metrics
so
that
we
could.
The
city
can
understand
better
how
much
production
is
going
on
in
Boise
and
also
hopefully
lead
to
the
implementation
of
a
Boise
film
office.
We
think
that
would
be
a
great
step
to
help
encourage
filming
in
Boise
and
and
help
us
continue
to
present
Boise
and
the
best
light
to
everyone
who
sees
our
Productions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
D
Venomir,
yes,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
your
really
specific
feedback
on
the
ordinance.
I
had
some
questions
that
I
had
asked
some
other
folks
around
insurance
requirements
before
and
didn't
have
any
answers
back.
So
that
was
actually
something
that
I
was
really
curious
about,
where
the
coverage
limits
and
if
that
was
kind
of
industry
standard.
Is
that
what
you
normally
do
so
yeah
the.
T
S
T
A
O
Hi
about
at
mayor
city,
council,
John,
Mark,
Crum,
7243,
West,
Colonial,
Street,
apartment
number,
e301,
so
I
work
for
channel
seven,
KTV,
News,
Group
and
I,
also
freelance
for
like
Fox
Sports
for
like
BSU
football
and
CBS
Sports
and
just
got
done
with
Boise,
open,
but
sorry
kind
of
news,
I'm,
like
totally
used
to
being
back
there
with
Greg
he's
kind
of
like
mentored
me
and
how
kind
of
really
just
in
this
industry
but
I
guess
what
I
want
to
say
is
first
I
just
want
to
kind
of
thank
Jamie.
O
I
was
like
in
the
foothills
and
I
kind
of
saw
some
deer
and
I
was
like
I,
don't
see
those
in
Boise
that
much
anymore,
she's,
changed
and
I
think
their
industry.
If
you
just
want
to
pull
it
up
the
slide
that
I
have.
O
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
video.
The
scale
of
videos
completely
changed
more
people
watch
video,
the
average
person
watches
about
three
and
a
half
hours
of
video
a
day.
The
second
most
viewed
site
in
the
world
is
YouTube,
we've
really
kind
of
lacked
the
infrastructure
to
kind
of
help
build
our
industry.
So
when
you
kind
of
like
look
at
the
different
kind
of
markets,
one
of
the
problems
that
I
kind
of
have
with
like
this
ordinance
is
when
you
take
the
entire
like
Boise
Market,
it's
about
in
the
Treasure
Valley.
O
There's
anyone
with
any
professional
experience,
that's
kind
of
able
to
kind
of
take
our
requests
and
kind
of
help
mitigate,
potentially
any
problems.
That's
why
it's
kind
of
best
practice
to
have
a
film
office-
and
you
can
see
like
Seattle-
has
one
Portland
Spokane
Boulder
and
it
really
is
Biz
best
practice
of
the
city
to
kind
of
have
that,
and
hopefully
that's
something
that
we
can
work
towards
and
kind
of
help
kind
of
mitigate
any
kind
of
potential
concerns,
so
I've
been
leading
stakeholder
meetings
and
then
kind
of
we
just
drafted
this.
O
It's
the
we're
just
asking
city
council
to
defer
the
final
decision
so
that
we
can
now
have
another
stakeholder
meet
meeting
with
the
city.
I've
been
hosting
the
meetings,
we've
hosted
three
so
far
and
they've
honestly
just
been
great
dialogue.
I,
don't
think
our
Industries
really
talk
to
the
city
and
I
think
you
know
a
long
time
and
so
for
us
to
continually
had
a
conversation
and
dialogue
bringing
different
stakeholders.
O
You
have
hosted
Jennifer
and
kind
of
a
lot
of
other
kind
of
industry
Partners.
So
we
hope
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
dialogue.
We
can
kind
of
continue
that
dialogue
with
the
city
to
kind
of
really
help
Define
the
permit,
because
it
really
I
think
we
do
need
a
permit.
This
is
going
to
help
us
when
we
go
to
parks
to
kind
of,
say,
hey
cool.
We
have
this
space.
J
D
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate.
You've
been
really
wonderful.
With
communication,
you've
sent
me
several
emails,
which
I
really
have
appreciated
and
lots
of
good
Insight
I'm
curious
would
did
a
stakeholder
group
exist
before
we
began
this
ordinance,
or
is
this
something
that's
formed
because
of
the
ordinance
Outreach
that
Jamie
and
Jen
did.
O
That's
a
great
question,
so
we
had
the
original
stakeholder
meeting
and
then
kind
of
shaming
kind
of
brought
up
hey
if
you
want
to
kind
of
go
organize
amongst
yourselves,
so
I
have
a
working
space
out
in
Meridian
and
so
I
just
I
invited
people
over.
So
we
was
kind
of
online
and
in
person,
and
so
I
just
invited
that
group,
as
well
as
invited
others
to
that
stakeholder
group.
We
had
so
three
meetings
so
far
and
then
an
Oliver
Russell
they
hosted.
O
We
hosted
a
meeting
there,
so
we've
had
three
meetings
so
far
that
have
been
extremely
productive
in
kind
of
growing.
The
conversation
does
that
help
answer
your.
D
Question
that
I
think
is
amazing
and
I.
Think
if
that's
an
outcome
of
this
process
of
developing
a
licensing,
ordinance
I
feel
like
we've
started
doing
our
jobs
here.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
hope.
Everyone
keeps
meeting
up
yeah.
O
O
O
A
Okay,
so
John
Mark
was
the
last
person
that
signed
up
in
advance
are
all
of
you
here
planning
on
testifying.
Will
you
raise
your
hands
if
you're
gonna
raise
your
hand
if
you're
gonna
testify,
because
what
I
want
to
do
is
I
want
to
move
us
through
as
efficiently
as
possible
and
since
folks
didn't
sign
up
I,
don't
have
anybody
to
call
come
on
up.
A
Okay,
and
so
are
you
planning
on
testifying,
yes,
I'm,
sorry
to
be
pointing,
will
you
head
them
up
as
well?
Stick
your
name
here
and
I'm
going
to
have
you
jump
right
in
at
the
end
of
the
three
Zach
you
ready?
Yes,
okay,
good
Madame,.
M
M
I
was
not
included
in
any
of
the
stakeholder
talks,
so
all
of
the
things
I'm
gonna
say
are
just
kind
of
my
first
impressions
from
tonight,
and
the
first
is
just
a
good
job
to
everyone
involved
and
everything
that's
been
put
together.
I
found
it
to
be
very
thoughtful
and
and
very
realistic
for
something
that
can
be
as
complicated
as
video
production
and
filmmaking
so
yeah.
M
Just
my
my
general
response
to
it
is
that
I
think
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
in
place,
mainly
like
the
tiers
of
impact
model,
because
these
these
things
can
scale
from
the
smallest
Affairs
to
the
biggest
Affairs
very
quickly.
So
I
think
that
is,
is
really
well
done.
M
I,
like
the
idea
of
the
incentives
that
the
city
is
offering
for
maybe
trying
to
bring
some
productions
here,
such
as
like
free
parking
and
things
like
that.
I
think
those
are
clever
ideas
realistically,
I,
don't
see
any
of
those
things
actually
translating
to
a
film
producer
deciding
to
Stage
their
production
here
or
not
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
the
city
I
think
put
too
many
resources
into
trying
to
attract
someone
to
Boise
to
do
a
shoot.
M
So
I
often
get
contacted
on
behalf
of
shoots
or
Productions
coming
into
town
and
I
sort
of
find
myself
always
being
the
liaison
between
so
many
different
local
groups,
whether
that's
like
in
the
Foothills
and
in
intersecting
Trails
between
BLM
and
the
city
and
this
person's
property,
and
then
me
trying
to
go
out
and
Cobble
something
together
and
I
feel
like
I'm,
pretty
aware
and
capable
and
communicative
and
clever,
when
I
need
to
be,
but
I
often
find
myself
kind
of
like
in
these
very
strange
networks.
M
And
so,
if
someone
at
the
city
was
able
to
kind
of
help
become
that
person,
I
was
coming
to
the
city
and
presenting
all
that
stuff.
That
would
be
really
great
and
yeah
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
like
the
infractions,
so
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do.
I
would
Echo
what
other
people
have
said
in
terms
of
like.
Maybe
we
can
come
up
with
ways
to
scale
that
as
well.
Let
me
see
and
yeah
that's
pretty
much
it
for
now.
Thank
you.
So
much
thanks.
A
M
A
U
Yeah
I'm
a
independent,
filmmaker
I'm
from
Boise,
originally
kind
of
spent
the
last
15
years
in
Chicago
in
Los,
Angeles,
making
movies
I
think
more
so
than
anything.
Just
as
a
general
comment
that
this
is
not
something
that
is
very
easy
to
do
in
just
a
couple
meetings,
I
think
every
other
city
that's
done
this
is
it's
taken
a
long
bit
of
time
to
actually
work
out
all
the
minutia
of
of
these
permits.
I
mean
it's.
U
It
affects
everything
and
because
we're
such
a
media-based
society,
things
are
going
to
only
get
more
and
more.
You
know
film
based
so
spending
like
what,
like
John
Mark,
said
earlier,
spending
more
time
to
hammer
these
things
out
and
and
really
you
know
a
lot.
The
resources
to
it
is
going
to
be
very
beneficial,
not
just
for
you
know,
filmmakers
for
the
media,
for
the
news,
but
just
in
general
this
is
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
come
up
more
and
more
over.
U
The
next
I
mean
forever,
really
so
spending
more
time
working
with
all
of
you
and
and
really
sitting
down
and
kind
of
figuring
out.
How
do
you
exclude
news
because
I
think
that's
the
biggest
part
of
this
is
that
news
is
not
the
same
as
what
a
media,
a
Film
Production
would
be
commercial
production
would
be
really
getting.
U
Those
things
hammered
out
is
is
I,
think
of
utmost
importance
because
yeah,
it's
just
going
to
continue
and
it's
going
to
get
a
lot
more
nuanced,
as
projects
become
bigger
and
scaled
Idaho
is
going
to
see
more
of
this.
It's
already
kind
of
started
with
the
influx
of
new
residents
and
so
addressing
it
now
before
before
it
becomes
a
big
problem.
U
I
mean
with,
like
we've
talked
about
earlier
gun
laws
in
Idaho,
someone's
going
to
come
out
and
and
try
and
be
a
savior
during
a
film
production,
and
it's
someone's
going
to
get
injured
and
permits
are
necessary
for
those
reasons.
So
finding
ways
to
be
as
clear
as
possible
is
pretty
pertinent.
Yeah.
V
Hi
I'm,
Susie,
fabricsini
and
I
come
from
the
Los
Angeles
film
and
television
industry,
I'm
more
of
a
YouTuber
now
and
mostly
I
just
have
a
question
for
clarification,
and
that
is
the
groups
that
are
that
don't
need
to
get
permits
if
they
have
like
a
night
scene
where
there's
two
couples
having
a
discussion
on
a
porch
that
puts
them
in
the
second
tier,
the
of
a
medium.
V
V
That
seems
a
little
bit
hardcore
to
me
because
I
think
the
real
reasons,
the
real
issues
are,
the
lighting,
the
lights
and
the
noise,
and
if
we
could
address
those
instead
of
just
saying
blanket,
can't
do
during
those
hours,
I
think
it
would
better
take
care
of
the
issue
and
still
give
room
room
to
move
and
that's
my
comment.
Thanks
for
that
feedback.
V
V
B
W
Hello,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Chelsea
Smith
I'm,
the
director
of
film
Fort,
which
is
the
film
festival
for
tree
fort
Music
Fest,
as
well
as
a
associate
director
of
communications
at
Boise,
State
I,
have
to
preface
and
just
say,
I'm
fairly
new
to
this
stakeholder
group
as
well.
So
the
presentation
tonight
was
really
helpful
in
clarifying
some
of
the
content
of
this.
W
This
proposed
ordinance,
I
kind
of
represent,
like
a
decentralized
group
of
filmmakers,
much
like
Zach
or
or
Aiden
there,
who
you
know,
are
doing
a
lot
of
creative
work
as
well
as
commercial
work
to
pay
the
bills
and
I
also
communicate
with
a
lot
of
filmmakers
Nationwide
through
the
film
festival
and
I
can
Echo
some
of
the
sentiments
here
that
you
know
the
lack
of
infrastructure
is
a
huge
barrier
to
having
bigger
projects.
W
When
you
can't
Point
people
to
a
film,
a
city,
film
office
or
state
film
office,
or
a
permitting
process
directories
of
film
professionals,
financial
and
incentives.
Those
types
of
things
allow
those
Bigger
Productions
to
thrive,
but
I
think
even
for
the
smaller
Productions
too.
W
Having
the
infrastructure
and
the
professionals
available
to
support
that
provides
that
legitimacy
for
our
in
for
our
industry
to
help
grow
and
really
make
the
positive
economic
and
cultural
impacts
that
we're
trying
to
make
so
I'm,
really
a
proponent
of
this
of
this
permitting
process,
because
it
is
creating
a
dialogue
like
John
Mark,
said
with
the
city
which
we
are
really
eager
for
here,
but
I
do
think
a
little
bit
more
time
to
help
educate
the
stakeholders
in
the
community
on
this
and
create
some
more
buy-in
for
the
permitting
process
could
help.
W
You
know
just
with
the
onboarding
of
the
film
Community
I,
don't
know
that
much
about
the
news
media
side
of
things,
but
you
know
looking
at
some
of
the
pieces
of
of
the
permit.
You
know
the
penalties,
as
misdemeanors
does
seem
like
a
heavy-handed
tool
which,
even
if
you
know
enforced
reasonably,
does
not
have
necessarily
enough
Nuance
to
it
to
to
maybe
do
what
it's
intended
filming
on
private
property,
with
the
cast
of
crew
of
over
five
people
doesn't
seem
totally
consistent
with
our
other
private
property
laws.
W
Here
in
Idaho,
when
we
could
use
a
noise
ordinance
for
that
insurance
requirements,
another
consideration
for
Freelancers
who
maybe
can
get
general
liability,
but
workers
comp
is
like
a
whole
other
level
and
then
turnaround
times
and
and
having
those
expedited
processes
available
to
filmmakers
will
be
important
too.
So
I
just
want
to
Echo
that
there's
a
large
community
out
in
Boise
and
Beyond
I
think
that's
eager
to
develop
these
conversations.
I've
had
some
meetings
myself
with
you
know,
80
100
people
showed
up
to
a
meeting.
W
A
A
X
Little
closer:
oh
yes,
yes,
my
apologies,
Rachel
Swenson
and
I'm,
a
freelance
filmmaker
I'm,
also
an
Arts
educator
and
the
co-founder
and
co-festival
director
of
Idaho
screen
dance,
which
was
established
with
BSU
film
studies
and
theater
and
dance
Majors
I'm.
Also
I
mostly
go
out
of
state
to
Utah
and
in
California
to
work
on
large
films
in
costuming
and
and
here
locally.
X
X
Students
are
exempt,
but
they're
not
really
exempt,
and
so
they're
still
requirements,
because
we
have
filmed
that
many
of
the
city
of
Boise's
public
locations
and
we've
gone
through
the
city's
networks.
To
do
that
before
there
was
a
permit
to
make
sure
and
use
the
school
district's
insurance.
But
I
am
concerned
with
we're
about
shaping
these
individual
Young
Artists
to
be
responsible
and
go
through
these,
because
I
would
I
wrote
part
of
the
white
paper
of
the
freelance
Idaho
group
with
John,
Wie
and
I
do
believe.
X
We
need
a
film
permitting
system,
but
I
do
think.
The
language
of
exemption
for
students
can
be
thought
through
a
little
bit.
More
I
also
agree
with
the
misdemeanor,
is
very
harsh
and
will
sway
people
to
not
film
in
the
city
to
go
film
and
Caldwell
in
Nampa
and
Meridian
and
and
I.
Don't
want
that,
because
this
is
our
our
largest
city
and
our
capital
and
there's
many
wonderful
locations
here.
X
But
I
do
want
to
protect
those
students,
especially
where
we
work
with
6th
through
12th
grade
students,
as
as
film
studies,
majors
and
they're
working
on
their
film
studies
program
every
day
on
top
of
their
academics
and
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
that
we
I
agree
with
John,
Mark
and
others.
That
said,
I
think
it
takes
more
time
to
shape
this
and
involve
more
voices.
X
My
voice
was
not
a
part
of
it
for
the
first
stakeholders
meeting,
but
I
am
a
mediator
with
John
we
and
Sean
Meehan
with
the
Idaho
Independent
film
group
on
Facebook,
and
it's
over
2000
members
and
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
people
at
the
stakeholders
meeting.
There's
a
lot
of
voices
now
heard
and
just
through
our
organization,
we
started
creating
these
other
meetings
that
John
Mark
was
talking
about
and
I
was
able
to
meet
Jen
and
we
had.
X
We
were
able
to
gain
a
lot
of
different
perspectives
and
the
different
groupings
of
filmmakers
through
that
educational,
professional,
hobbyists
and
so
forth.
So
yeah
I
really
hope
that
we
can
take
just
a
little
bit
more
time
is
really
developing
wonderful
Jamie.
Thank
you
for
all
of
your
work
and
the
latest
draft
is
is
looking
great
I'm
concerned
with
ours
still
I'm
a
filmmaker.
A
Okay,
nobody
else
is
online
anybody
else
tonight,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
now
what
that
means
is
that
we
aren't
taking
any
more
testimony
from
the
public
tonight.
A
D
Absolutely
thank
you,
madam
mayor,
and
thank
you
everyone
for
coming
out
tonight.
This
is
so
exciting
that
you
all
came
that
you
all
have
a
stakeholder
group,
John
Mark
great
job,
that
there's
a
Facebook
group
that
I
didn't
even
know
existed
like
I've
learned
so
much
about
this
industry
in
Boise
and
in
Idaho
tonight
that
I
didn't
know
before.
So.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
sharing.
D
There
have
been
so
many
incredible
suggestions
on
this
ordinance
and
Jamie
and
Jen
have
brought
it
to
a
really
great
point,
but
I
still
think
that
there's
probably
some
adjustments
that
need
to
be
made.
Some
of
those
have
been
brought
out
tonight.
I
think
some
of
those
will
probably
also
develop
a
little
bit
more
before
this
ordinance
is
kind
of
ready
for
prime
time.
D
What
I
would
like
to
see
ideally
happen
is
for
another
round
of
stakeholder
Outreach
and
I.
Don't
know
the
mayor
is
the
CEO
of
the
city.
She
says
who
can
and
cannot
do
what
work,
but
what
I
would
like
is
for
that
to
happen,
potentially
through
our
office
of
community
engagement
and
with
some
of
our
policy
making
staff.
D
Perhaps
in
the
mayor's
office
and
really
working
through
this
to
refine
what
we've
started
with
and
address
some
of
those
concerns
and
get
it
to
a
place
where
it's
a
accomplishing
all
of
our
objectives,
where
the
news
media
is
free
because
that's
critical,
that's
what
we
want
in
our
society
and
to
make
sure
that
this
is
doing
the
job
of
incenting,
incenting,
Film,
Production
and
all
of
the
economic
development
and
all
of
the
vibrancy
that
it
brings
to
our
city
and
all
the
cultural
opportunities
in
the
best
way
that
it
can.
D
So
that's
kind
of
my
that's
my
feeling
after
this
and
I
had
no
idea
what
was
going
to
happen
tonight.
I
was
like
I,
don't
know,
maybe
we'll
just
have
a
couple
of
tweaks
and
we'll
you
know,
send
it
to
First
reading
in
a
couple
of
weeks,
but
I
really
think
that
this
needs
and
deserves
a
little
bit
more
than
that
really
appreciate.
Everyone
coming
out
tonight
very
excited
for
what
the
future
of
this
can
be
and
and
yeah
so
good
job.
K
Then
mayor,
yes,
first
of
all,
I
think
for
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
Thank
you
also.
Council
Pro
tem
weddings
for
taking
the
lead
on
this.
There
were
a
few
specific
things
that
were
brought
up
as
far
as
like
the
500
000
commercial,
auto
insurance.
K
That
I
think
are
really
great
specific
things
and
I
guess
I
would
just
ask
if
there
is
additional
discussion
that
those
really
specific
things
come
to
the
table
so
that
we
can
figure
those
out
I'm,
very
interested
in
the
news
media
discussion,
because
I
have
a
lack
of
knowledge
in
that
area
of
what
qualifies
for
news
media.
What
is
a
news
media
in
source?
Is
it
social
medias?
Is
it
a
YouTube
news
channel?
Is
it
an
accredited
news
agency
and
I?
Don't
know
what
the
answers
to
those
questions
are.
K
I
also
don't
know
where
documentary
films
fit
into
that
as
well.
I
originally
went
to
school
with
the
intention
of
being
a
documentary
filmmaker
at
Boise
State,
and
you
know.
Certainly
there
is
a
news
aspect
to
it
and
then
certainly
there
are
somewhere
it's
a
little
bit
different.
So
I
don't
know
all
those
nuances,
but
I
believe
that
you
all
do
and
so
having
some
of
those
nuances.
Nuanced
discussions,
I
think
are,
are
incredibly
important
but
again
I
appreciate
all
the
work.
That's
gotten
into
this
so
far.
K
I
do
hope
that
we
can
do
it
in
a
relatively
timely
manner,
because
I
do
think
there
are
some
liability
issues
as
well,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
are
moving
forward
on
this.
F
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
showing
up
tonight
and
for
being
so
helpful
with
the
information
that
you
provided.
Thank
you
also
to
council,
Pro,
tem,
weddings
and
council
president
Clegg
for
your
work
on
this
I
know
it's.
It
can
be
challenging
when
we
want
to
wrap
everything
up
and
put
a
nice
bow
on
it.
So
we
can
move
on
with
other
work,
but
I
appreciate
your
humility
in
being
open
to
the
public,
sharing
their
knowledge
and
expertise
and
how
this
ordinance
will
ultimately
affect
the
way
they
do
their
work.
F
I
too
was
a
com,
major
like
like
councilman,
Hallie,
Burton
and
I,
made
sure
not
to
embrace
videography.
It
was
30
years
ago,
so
I'm
sure
technology
has
improved,
but
it
is
it's.
It
is
a
it's
an
intersection
of
art,
of
having
that
eye
to
create
something
beautiful
and
Powerful
to
inform,
to
educate,
but
also
it's
very
technical,
and
what
Zach
described
is
exactly
what
I've
experienced
when
I
figured
out.
F
I
should
be
on
the
other
side
of
the
camera
and
to
see
what
the
directors
and
the
videographer
and
the
producer
and
the
makeup
artist
and
the
costumer.
It's
all
these
people
doing
all
this
work
and
then
having
to
to
figure
out
whether
you
are
legally,
where
you
can
be
to
be
doing
this
work.
So
I
have
a
very
specific
appreciation
for
what
it
takes
to
do.
F
This
work
and
and
I
agree
with
with
the
pro
tem
I
think
it
would
be
wonderful
for
us
to
have
more
time
for
more
members
of
our
community
who
are
experts
in
this
and
who
are
willing
to
give
their
input
into
how
we
can
create
something.
That's
going
to
keep
our
community
safe
as
we
do
this
work,
because
I
would
say
that,
at
the
very
Foundation
of
all
this,
it's
about
keeping
our
community
safe.
F
We
want
everybody
to
be
safe,
whether
it's
the
actors
or
the
folks
behind
the
camera
or
the
public
who,
if
they
were
to
call
the
police,
because
they
saw
something
and
they
misinterpreted
it.
That
would
be
their
interest,
is
the
safety
of
their
neighbors.
So
I
I
welcome
more
input
from
our
community
and
I
know
by
the
end
of
this
thought,
we're
going
to
have
something
great
that
we
can
present
to
the
community.
F
H
Yeah
go
ahead,
so
I'm
going
first,
okay,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna,
try
to
be
a
little
more
specific
I
I
think
that
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
that
when
Council
Pro,
tem
woodings
was
still
in
the
legislature.
I
worked
with
a
group
who
tried
to
start
a
state
film
office
through
the
Idaho
Arts
commission
and
worked
with
our
Arts
commission
to
support
them.
H
It
went
a
little
ways,
got
sort
of
off
the
ground
and
then
puttered
out
and
to
me
the
most
exciting
thing
about
tonight
is
that
we
weren't
wrong
then,
and
the
idea
that
offering
and
resources
to
filmmakers
at
the
same
time
that
we
offer
some
certainty
to
both
the
filmmakers
and
the
public
as
to
what's
going
to
happen
is
in
fact
the
right
approach.
H
I'm,
not
certain
that
the
city
of
Boise
is
the
right
place
for
a
film
office,
but
I'm,
certainly
open
to
considering
it.
I
do
think
the
city
of
Boise
is
the
right
place
for
a
permit
process,
but
we
need
to
get
it
right.
So
the
things
I
heard
tonight
are
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
definition
of
news.
Media
I.
Think
the
one
offered
by
Betsy
Russell
was
a
good
starting
place.
H
I
I
heard
that
we
need
to
review
the
misdemeanor
penalty
and
either
change
it
or
create
a
sliding
scaled
penalty.
Council
council.
A
President
yeah
you're
you're
doing
that
in
and
out
kind
of
language
lagging
thing
again.
Will
you
just
turn
off
your
camera?
We
know
you're
there,
but
I
think
it'll
be
easier
for
us
to
understand
you
and
for
the
record
to
transcribe.
You
thank.
H
You
I'll
do
that
and
I
can
hold
my
my
writing
up
then,
and
read
directly
and
okay,
great
so
news
media
definition,
mismeter
penalty
review,
I
heard
we
should
reconsider
the
insurance
requirements
and
specifically
the
amount
for
automobile
insurance
and
the
requirement
for
work,
workers,
comp
and
unemployment
for
some
kinds
of
films.
H
H
What
I'm
hearing
is
what
would
be
helpful
to
the
film
industry
would
be
if
there
were
a
film
office
if
there
were
a
vendor
list
that
they
could
count
on
as
folks
who
have
been
involved
in
films
before
and
know
what
they're
doing
and
and
won't
mess
up,
and
if
there
were
a
list
of
of
professionals,
a
directory
of
professionals
that
might
might
include
the
vendor
list,
but
might
be
more
than
that
and
then.
H
Finally,
the
last
thing
that
I
didn't
get
in
the
early
list
was
that
we
need
to
review
the
definition
of
impacts
and
not
necessarily
base
them
on
time
of
day.
But
look
at
noise
and
lights
and
those
kinds
of
things.
H
So
what
I'd
like
to
suggest
and
now
I
can
think
I
think
I
can
turn
this
back
on,
because
I'll
speak
directly
into
the
camera,
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
direct
the
clerk's
office
and
ask
the
mayor's
office
to
support
going
forward
with
reviewing
those
things
I've
listed
in
a
timely
fashion,
pulling
together
the
stakeholder
group
to
talk
through
the
changes
that
have
been
discussed
tonight
come
back
to
us
with
amendments
within
a
few
months,
if
possible.
H
Certainly
I'd
still
like
to
see
us
try
to
get
this
on
the
road
by
the
first
of
the
year
and
then
further
Define.
What
the
process
would
be
going
forward
from
there
if
everyone
is
accepting
of
the
changes
that
were
you
know,
are
proposed
through
that
process.
I
think
we
can
go
forward
relative
relatively
quickly
if
there
are
still
some
Hang-Ups.
We
may
have
to
do
another
round.
C
Madam
mayor
I
have
a
long
list
of
tiny
little
edits
too,
but
I
don't
think
the
ordinance
is
at
that
point,
so
I'm
going
to
hold
off
on
the
list
for
now,
but
the
one
constructive
comment
I
would
have
for
the
clerk's
office
and
for
the
the
team
in
the
stakeholder
group
is
thinking
about.
This
pertains
to
the
news,
media
definition
and
I
think
that
the
two
weaknesses
in
the
way
it's
structured
now
and
the
way
to
fix
it,
our
number
one.
C
The
current
events
thing
that
we've
all
talked
about,
but
number
two
I,
don't
think
we
should
focus
on
the
type
of
filmer
or
the
type
of
media
Outlet,
the
type
the
nature
of
the
speaker
shouldn't
matter
under
the
First
Amendment
or
under
really
any
rubric
here.
What
should
matter
is
the
type
of
impact
that
anybody
could
be
having
so
right
now
we
say
broadcasting
a
newspaper
or
other
outlet
that
actually
I,
don't
think
is
the
distinction
that
matters
it's
the
conduct
that
counts
so
as
we
think
about
how
to
tweak
that
definition.
C
I
Most
of
my
comments
have
been
already
issued
through
other
council
members.
I
will
say
that
this
has
been
really
really
helpful
because
I
came
in
not
even
knowing
whether
we
needed
a
permit
process
at
all,
and
what
I've
heard
tonight
is
that
it's
actually
very
helpful
to
the
industry.
I
If
you
and
it's
particularly,
if
you
get
it
right,
so
I've
really
appreciated
the
public
Dialogue
on
that,
because
it's
helped
me
better
understand
your
needs
and
I
know
that
Council,
a
woman
wedding,
said
this,
but
I'll
just
say
it
again
stay
helpful
in
these
type
of
conversations,
because
it
gives
us
something
particular
to
go
on
and
I
really
appreciate
you
all
doing
that,
because
it
helps
us
be
better
and
and
engage
in
better
governance.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
I
K
A
All
right,
well
I
appreciate
the
council
president's
suggestions.
Staff
has
taken
that
down.
I
saw
my
team
nodding,
I'm
saying
that
would
work
and
we
will
go
from
there
and
I
think
it's
important
that
edits
be
made
based
on
the
list
that
was
provided
by
council
tonight
and
then
those
be
brought
to
both
the
press
and
the
stakeholder
group
or
maybe
you've
merged
into
one
giant.
A
Stakeholder
group
I'm
not
sure
appreciate
the
feedback,
the
interest
in
this
and
really
appreciate
the
Press
being
here,
because
it
doesn't,
our
intent,
was
not
to
infringe
upon
the
rights
that
you
have
because
those
rights
We
Believe,
are
deeply
important,
but
it
doesn't
matter
the
intent
going
into
it.
I
mean
I
appreciate
that
Don
said
you
know
this
Council
might
be
fine
another
one,
maybe
not,
but
what
matters
is
the
impact
of
the
the
words
chosen
in
the
language
past,
so
I'm
working
on
that
to
get
it
right.
A
I'm,
particularly
with
regard
to
the
Press,
is
important,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
here,
especially
being
on
the
other
side
of
things
when
you're
typically
just
reporting
what
other
people
are
saying
and
said.
A
You're
saying
it
and
Reporting
on
yourselves
in
some
way
which
I've
enjoyed
and
then
to
the
film
community,
the
the
steak
I
know,
having
talked
with
leadership
that
the
idea
this
was
brought
to
the
city,
because
the
film
Community
asked
that
the
city
do
something
about
this
and
take
action
so
appreciate
the
early
suggestion,
the
feedback
in
the
middle
and
then
look
forward
to
kind
of
seeing
what
transpires
based
on
the
feedback
that
Council
got
tonight
and
the
work
that
Community
engagement,
the
clerk's
office
in
my
office
will
do
to
then
bring
that
back
to
you
thanks
and
we
don't
need.