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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting #1 - 09/17/2020
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First Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting for the City of Boise's Zoning Code Rewrite
A
Development
out
here
on
the
fringes
of
the
city-
it's
not
going
great,
so
I
think
there
could
definitely
be
some
some
changes
to
that.
My
main
interests
are
connectivity.
You
know
connectivity
for
cars,
but
also
for
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
and
how
we
how
we
grow
infrastructure
before
we
put
people
in
an
area
where
their
only
alternative
is
to
to
drive
in
a
car
to
get
somewhere.
C
D
Hi
everyone,
my
apologies
for
not
having
a
visual.
I
learned
that
my
my
browser
doesn't
support
video
right
now
so
I'll
I'll
I'll
download
the
the
app
between
now
and
the
next
meeting.
But
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
D
I
was
born
and
raised
in
idaho
and
then
left
after
college
graduation
and
was
gone
for
30
years
before
moving
back
here
10
years
ago
and
professionally,
I
was
a
specialist
in
corporate
culture,
transformation
and
strategic
planning
for
businesses
and
right
now,
I'm
I've
transitioned
been
forced
to
transition
through
covid
pretty
much
into
retirement.
D
D
D
You
know
really
the
detrimental
effects
of
urban
sprawl,
the
in
contrast
with
our
community,
which
was
very
planned,
had
a
population
growth
cap
on
it
and
had
very
strict
zoning
and
then
communities
around
us
that
were
somewhere
in
between,
and
so
I'm
really
interested
for
the
future
of
boise
residents
and
community
at
large
to
listen
to
what
various
stakeholders
have
to
say
and
to
be
able
to
contribute
to
to
decisions
or
to
at
least
perspectives
moving
forward.
So
I'm
happy
to
be
here.
B
B
E
All
right,
my
name
is
ian
mclaughlin,
I'm
an
architect
with
pivot
north
architecture.
Here
in
boise,
my
experience
has
primarily
been
multi-family
mixed-use
projects
before
I
should
say
I'm
a
recent
transplant
here
so
before
moving
here,
I've
lived
all
over
the
city
and
hope
to
bring
some
of
the
diverse
experiences
with
other
cities
and
other
cities
codes
as
well
as
how
not
to
do
things.
E
E
I
would
also
add
that
my
wife
and
I
are
recent
homeowners
in
the
west
bench
area,
so
we're
super
excited
to
be
part
of
this
community
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hopefully
making
a
difference
with
the
sony
code
rewrite
and
my
I
guess
areas
of
interest
are,
you
know,
looking
at
sustainable
and
thoughtful
design
and
growth,
as
opposed
to
just
uncontrolled
sprawl.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
letting
me
be
a
part
of
this
community.
F
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
yeah
great,
just
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
my
microsoft
teams
works
as
well.
My
name
is
hilary
vaughn.
I
am
a
transactional
real
estate
and
finance
attorney
at
holland
and
heart.
I
have
been
practicing
for
about
15
years
here
in
the
boise
area,
and
I've
been
intimately
involved
in
policy
and
real
estate
and
have
interacted
with
the
zoning
code
and
the
regulatory
structure
many
many
times.
F
I
also
served
on
design
review
with
jessica
for
a
while
that
was
fun
and
also
was
involved
in
some
of
the
city's
planning
efforts
with
respect
to
the
design
review
guidelines.
I
live
in
the
highlands
also
over
by
jessica,
but
I've
also
lived
in
southeast
boise
and
the
northwest
area.
F
I
am
a
native
idahoan,
but
I
kind
of
grew
up
all
over
the
place
and
then
came
back
to
boise
after
law
school
and
I
am
like,
drew
very,
very
interested
in
the
growth
of
this
area
and
want
to
see
it
grow
sustainably
and
affordably
and
equitably,
and
I
I
want.
I
am
very
interested
in
hearing
everybody's
points
of
view
from
around
the
city
as
to
how
we
can
you
know,
come
to
some
solutions,
for
you
know
what
is
going
to
be
probably
a
fast
growth
period
for
boise.
G
G
I
have
I'm
an
anomaly,
I'm
a
fifth
generation
voice
ian.
So
for
many
of
you
who
don't
know
what
that
is,
I
can
remember
when
the
city
was
68
000
people.
G
I've
had
the
good
fortune
to
sit
for
12
and
a
half
years
on
design,
review
and
chair
that
committee
for
six
or
so
years
straddling
a
couple
of
administrations,
and
my
interest
in
the
zoning
rewrite
is
very
similar
to
most
everyone
else's.
G
I
engage
this.
I
engage
the
zoning
ordinance
on
a
daily
basis
and
there
are
it's
outdated.
It's
tired!
It
really
could
use
all
of
our
collective
wisdom
and
work
with
the
consultants
and
so
yeah,
I'm
I'm
excited
to
see
to
see
where
we
go
and
how
this
evolves.
G
An
anecdotal
comment-
I
remember
I
I
too
went
through
high
school
here-
went
to
college
of
idaho,
then
left
boise
for
my
architecture,
studies
and
came
back
12
years
later,
and
I
remember
a
friend
saying
gosh
I
could
have
bought
a
house
in
the
north
end
on
my
credit
card
and
that
house
in
the
north
end.
Now
is
almost
a
million
dollars.
H
All
right,
I'm
used
to
being
towards
the
end
of
the
alphabet.
At
least
my
name
is
ben
zamzo.
I
am
very
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
and
learn
from
you
all
andy
has
me,
be
I'm
a
fourth
generation
boisean
and
was
born
and
raised
here.
I
live
in
the
north
end
with
my
wife
who's.
H
A
second
grade
teacher
she's,
my
high
school
sweetheart
at
bishop
kelly
and
we've
got
two
little
ones:
calvin's,
four,
a
minus
two
and
we
love
to
travel,
we've
been
to
60
countries
and
I
didn't
know
a
lot
about
land
use,
planning
and
urban
planning
when
we
visited
a
lot
of
those
countries.
But
you
know
what
works
and
what
doesn't
when
you're
boots
on
the
ground,
and
I've
had
a
lot
of
fun
learning
since
then
about
a
lot
of
those
countries
and
cities
professionally.
H
I'm
the
chief
operating
officer
of
rocky
mountain
companies
we're
a
downtown
boise
company.
We
own
several
businesses,
but
our
principal
business
is
commercial,
real
estate
development.
We've
done
a
few
notable
historic
urban
projects.
Payet
brewing
the
805,
idaho
building
where
fork
is
cshqa
biomark.
Those
are
some
of
our
more
noteworthy
ones,
and
then
we've
done
a
number
of
projects
that
deliver
important
services
to
our
neighborhoods.
We
develop
all
the
primary
healths
and
have
done
a
lot
of
napa,
auto
parts
and
dell
tacos
and
bluebird
car
washes
I'd,
say
we're
a
medium-sized
commercial
development
company.
H
We've
got
13
employees,
two
architects
in-house
council,
we're
not
big,
but
we're
not
little
either
so
we're
obviously
in
the
zoning
ordinance
every
day.
One
thing
we
have
not
done
any
residential,
so
just
note
that
cuz,
I
know
that's
a
big
part
of
the
ordinance
and
I
won't
be
able
to
speak
eloquently
to
that.
H
I'd
say
the
three
things
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
most
number
one
would
just
be
learning
from
all
of
you.
Drew's
also
already
sending
me
homework.
He
sent
me
three
books
to
read
so
I'll
get
on
that
drew
number.
Two
would
be
like
many
of
you.
You
know
making
sure
that
boise
provides
my
children,
the
same
opportunities
that
I've
had
both
recreationally
and
professionally
and
then
number
three
would
be
kind
of
getting
into
the
details.
H
I'd
like
to
close
any
gaps
between
the
ordinance
and
blueprint
boise,
I
think
that's
where
we've
gotten
tripped
up
a
few
times-
and
I
know
in
andrea's
agenda
here
which
I
love
is
increase.
The
predictability
of
land
use
decisions.
I
think
professionally
from
the
development
community.
That's
a
big
topic
for
us.
B
I
Hello,
my
name
is
esther
saha.
I
have
lived
in
boise
since
1995..
I
grew
up
in
idaho,
south
central
idaho
went
to
school
at
boise
state
and
have
never
left.
My
professional
background
really
is
an
environmental
policy.
I
spent.
I
Say
probably
the
last
16
years
I
my
my
work
was
around
hazardous
waste
nuclear
waste,
drinking
water
and
wastewater
systems
in
idaho.
I
transitioned
over
a
little
almost
two
years
ago
to
civil
rights
work,
so
that
used
to
be
my
volunteer
work,
and
now
that
is
my
full-time
job,
with
some
environmental
off
work.
So,
oh,
let's
see
I
have
been
involved
with
city
of
boise
activities
in
ada
county
activities.
I
Since
the
late
1990s,
I
moved
to
the
collister
neighborhood
associate
or
koster
neighborhood
in
2004
and
became
involved
with
our
neighborhood
comprehensive
plan.
Shortly
thereafter
have
sat
on
the
board
of
our
neighborhood
association
off
and
on
since
2007.
I
Currently,
the
I
am,
the
planning
and
zoning
board
committee
lead
for
our
neighborhood
association.
I
I
have
volunteered
at
our
one
of
our
title:
one
schools
in
not
necessarily
our
neighborhood
but
very
close
to
our
neighborhood
taft
elementary
for
about
13
years
and
have
done
a
number
of
different
or
I've
been
involved
in
a
number
of
different
community
volunteer
efforts
associated
with
social
justice
and
environmental
justice
issues,
and
I
am
thrilled
to
be
part
of
of
this
group.
I
My
interest
is,
you
know
if
you,
zoning
is
critical
to
all
these
other
important
parts
of
the
community,
from
housing
to
housing,
affordability,
transportation,
transportation
access
environment,
and
when
I
speak
of
environment,
I'm
speaking
of
water
quality,
but
equally
as
important,
especially
even
though
we're
dealing
with
smoke
fire
wildland
smoke
issues.
Now
we
do
have,
we
do
have
challenges
in
the
treasure
valley,
with
ozone
levels
during
certain
parts
of
of
the
year.
I
So
you
know
all
of
these
things
are
interconnected
and
I
feel
like
the
only
way
that
we
that
I
can
make
an
impact
is
to
bring
those
up
as
well
as
I
can't
speak
for
the
entire
latino
community
in
the
treasure
valley,
because
I
am
just
one
person,
but
I
can
bring
a
different
perspective
to
the
table
that
other
folks
that
are
participating
in
this
activity.
I
B
I
B
B
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
hello.
My
name
is
patrick.
I
live
in
the
north
end
of
boise.
What
brings
me
to
this
issue
is
a
passion
about
ensuring
housing,
affordability
across
the
income
spectrum
and
that
boise
is
a
welcoming
place
to
anybody
who
would
like
to
live
here.
So
my
son
can
afford
a
home
when
he
grows
up
and
so
that
people
of
lesser
means
are
not
forced
to
commute
from
far
away
if
they
would
prefer
to
live
in
boise.
J
So
I
want
to
help
create
a
home
for
everybody
to
use
mayor,
mclean's
kind
of
framing
on
this,
and
I
do
think
finding
ways
to
allow
for
more
housing
options
is
a
big
part
of
that.
A
lot
of
recent
zoning
reforms
across
the
country
have
taken
relatively
bold
action
with
new
ideas,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
see
some
of
them
come
to
fruition
here
in
boise
and
allow
a
home
for
everyone
across
the
income
spectrum.
K
K
K
What
I'd
like
to
share
is
I
worked
in
a
land
management
plan
in
nebraska
where
there
was
a
lot
of
growth
happening
and
there
was
no
zoning,
and
that
was
a
great
exposure
for
for
me
as
to
why
zoning
is
so
important.
K
So
I
am
looking
forward
to
learning
from
the
group
that's
here
from
about
boise
zoning
and
how
we
can
make
boise
more
sustainable
for
growth,
for
environmental
reasons,
for
historic
reasons,
for
preservation
to
help
all
of
those
in
the
community.
As
far
as
affordability
and
one
of
the
other
pieces
I
share
is
working
in
the
national
park
service,
you
work
with
a
lot
of
different
communities
and
the
ability
to
hear
different
perspectives,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
to
in
a
collaborative
manner
to
figure
out
how
we
could
go
forward
together.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
How
about
chris
hi.
L
So
I
am
chris
vanderstyle.
I
teach
linguistics
and
gender
studies
at
boise
state
university,
so
I
am
bringing
sort
of
an
educational
background
to
this.
I
live
right
off
the
broadway
corridor
right
near
the
stadium,
so
really
close
to
the
green
belt
and
really
close
to
the
stadium.
Although
I
used
to
live
right
in
the
heart
of
downtown
next
door
to
ersthat
architects,
actually
I
used
to
see
that
out
of
my
window,
but
so
I
am
a
lifelong
renter.
L
I
from
the
time
I
moved
here
five
years
ago,
I'm
already
priced
out
of
the
market
as
a
university
professor,
and
so
that's
an
important
thing
for
me
and
I'm
also
someone
that
utilizes
public
transit
and
you
know
walking
I'm
a
pedestrian
frequently
and
during
non-pandemic
times
I
use
public
transit
when
it's
even
available
in
the
treasure
valley,
we
have
a
very
limited
transit
system,
but
I'm
originally
from
coastal
california.
L
I
consider
san
francisco
home,
so
public
transit
is
a
really
big
passion
of
mine
and
I'm
interested
in
ways
that
we
can
incorporate
a
more
robust
transit
system
throughout
the
treasure
valley
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
accommodate
that,
and
then
I'm
also
very
interested
in
the
ways
that
the
zoning
committee
is
going
to
affect
the
educational
system
locally.
L
A
lot
of
people
don't
realize
that
zoning
and
things
like
property
taxes
directly
affect
especially
k-12
education
and
who
gets
to
go
to
which
schools
and
which
what
kind
of
money
gets
distributed
where
so,
I'm
really
interested
in
bringing
a
perspective
on
the
education
system
to
the
committee
as
well.
Thank
you.
M
Hi
I'm
damon
woods
I
similar
to
brad
nielsen,
I'm
in
the
west
boise
area
kind
of
near
colin
fairview,
the
winstead
neighborhood
area,
so
I'm
there
most
mornings
with
my
dog
I
I
grew
up
here
since
age
five.
I
went
away
for
my
undergrad
at
montana
state,
but
since
I've
come
back,
I
did
grad
school
here.
I'm
now
a
professor
at
university
of
idaho
at
the
boise
extension
campus
in
the
architecture.
M
But
my
background's
in
mechanical
engineering,
so
I
really
focus
on
how
buildings
use
energy
and
occupant
comfort
specifically
like
I
do
a
lot
of
research
with
idaho
power.
M
Looking
at
the
economics
of
different
energy
codes-
and
you
know
I
have
a
heart
for
sustainability
and
part
of
the
sierra
club
and
have
a
vested
interest
here
in
boise
and
just
kind
of
like
marissa
was
saying
you
know,
keeping
pedestrian
and
bikeways
kind
of
breathable
and
and
open
as
the
occupant
density
increases.
So
thanks
thanks
for
having
me
on
this
community,
I'm
honored
to
be
part
of
it.
C
Thank
you.
So
we
have
now
heard
from
19
of
our
members.
We
are
missing
one
individual
today,
that
is
shelin
rodriguez
and
she
has
promised
that
she'll
be
with
us
next
time.
She
had
a
vacation
planned
during
this
time,
so
so
we'll
be
meeting
her
on
our
next
meeting
time,
but,
as
you
can
see,
we
had
a
lot
of
people
that
are
so
very
excited
and
have
so
many
different
experiences.
C
So
residents
within
your
area,
school
membership,
programs,
professional
organizations,
you
know
possibly
your
chore,
your
church
or
other
activities
that
you
may
participate
in
share
our
ideas
with
them
gather
input,
because
you're
going
to
be
that
conduit,
that's
going
to
help
us.
We
as
a
city
cannot
touch
every
single
citizen,
but
with
your
help
we
can
touch
that
many
more.
So
we
are
really
excited
to
have
you.
C
You
guys
will
be
a
huge
part
of
crafting
and
molding
the
zoning
ordinance
as
we
move
forward,
but
we
do
have
a
number
another
group
of
individuals
that
will
be
helping
assist
us
as
we
move
forward
as
well,
and
that
is
our
consulting
group.
We
actually
have
a
joint
effort.
C
It's
between
clarion
associates,
which
is
based
out
of
denver
colorado
as
well
as
krishnan,
associates
based
out
of
boise,
idaho,
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
let
them
introduce
themselves
and
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
their
experience
and
what
they'll
be
bringing
forward
to
each
one
of
us
as
we
move
forward
don.
Do
you
want
to
start
sure.
N
N
I'm
going
to
resist
the
temptation
to
tell
you
a
lot
about
it,
because
we're
going
to
have
a
very
short
powerpoint
later,
just
organizing
and
walking
you
through
the
structure
of
the
project,
we'll
have
a
chance,
then
I
will
say
that
I
am
a
planner
and
a
lawyer.
I
have
worked
in
the
field,
for
I
hate
to
say
it
at
the
firm
for
25
years
and
in
the
field
for
probably
closer
to
35
years,
and
so
I
loved
the
comment.
Zoning
is
critical.
N
That
is
exactly
why
I
have
spent
my
life
doing
it
because
if
you
don't
think
it
changes
the
future
of
your
city,
you're
not
paying
attention,
so
I
will.
I
also.
I
will
mention
that
I
sit
on
the
board
denver
planning
board
in
my
spare
time
and
so
no
stranger
to
the
issues
that
come
up
when
you
try
to
balance
a
whole
lot
of
competing
values
in
a
high
growth
environment
and
look
forward
to
working
with
you.
O
Great
thanks
don
good
afternoon,
everyone-
I'm
really
happy
to
be
here,
so
I
am
don's
counterpoint
in
our
denver
office.
I
focus
on
comprehensive
planning
and,
in
fact,
was
spent
many
hundreds
of
hours
working
on
blueprint
boise.
We
started
that
process.
O
I
think
in
2007
or
so
a
little
bit
later
than
that
wrapped
up
in
2011.,
so
know
a
lot
about
really
got
to
love
the
city
working
on
that
project
also
was
involved
with
the
ada
county,
comprehensive
plan
update
and
both
of
those
efforts
we
work
with
diane
kushlin,
who
is
working
with
us
on
this
project,
so
have
a
lot
of
familiarity
with
the
issues
that
many
of
you
raised
and
have
really
seen.
The
city
evolve
over
the
last
10
to
15
years.
O
P
All
right-
and
my
name
is
gabby
hart
thanks
so
much
for
being
here
and
being
involved
in
this
committee.
It's
great
to
to
see
you
all
even
virtually
so
I
am
an
associate
with
clarion
and
the
majority
of
my
work
is
with
development
codes
and
prior
to
this
I
was
actually
working
in
the
public
sector
for
the
city
of
boulder
colorado,
which
has
a
lot
of
similar
issues
with
growth
and
housing.
Affordability-
and
I
am
no
stranger
to
the
pressures
of
of
working
within
a
code
with
issues
like
that.
Q
Well,
hello,
everyone,
I'm
diane
koscieln,
I'm
a
20-year
resident
of
boise
and
I've
been
a
planner
for
over
47
years.
Most
of
my
career
was
serving
local
government
in
california,
washington,
state
and
now
in
idaho.
Q
I've
supported
comprehensive
updates
of
zoning
codes
for
the
cities
of
meridian
garden
city,
sun
valley
and
idaho
falls
and
probably
a
dozen
other
little
smaller
zoning
change
projects.
I've
taught
a
course
on
planning
and
zoning,
initially
at
boise
state
university
and
now
at
the
university
of
idaho.
For
the
past
eight
years,
it's
been
a
real
privilege
to
work
with
clarion
clarion
in
a
couple
projects.
Most
importantly,
boise
blueprint,
I'm
very
excited
to
work
with
them.
Again,
I'm
very
excited
about
this
committee.
Q
It's
really
an
impressive
group
of
individuals
and
I
thank
you
all
for
your
service
to
the
community
and
I'm
particularly
excited
to
be
able
to
work
and
support
efforts
in
my
in
my
own
community
as
well.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
this.
Yes,.
D
C
So
that
will
be
our
team
that
will
be
helping
us
as
our
consulting
members,
but
we
do
have
three
city
of
boise
members
that
will
be
our
primary
individuals
that
will
be
taking
you
through
the
process,
I'm
the
first
one
of
those
individuals.
My
name
is
andrea
tuning.
I've
been
with
the
city
of
boise
for
15
years
and
prior
to
that,
I
was
with
the
ada
county
highway
district
for
almost
six
years.
C
R
R
I
spent
about
31
years
in
in
retail
development,
but
on
the
actual
retailer
side
I
I
was
a
licensed
civil
engineer
or
got
my
degree
in
license
in
civil
engineering
and
then
worked
more
on
the
real
estate
development
side,
but
decided
to
make
a
career
change,
because
I
wanted
to
work
with
an
exciting
team
and
I
mean
that
the
city
of
boise,
you
know
we
have
our
our
pluses
and
minuses,
but
I
sure
believe
there
are
a
lot
more
pluses
than
minuses
and
I
think
the
other
thing
is
I
wanted
to
learn.
R
You
know
I
wanted
an
environment
where
I'm
learning
so
you
know
I
think
it
was
drew
that
may
have
said
this
is
a
once
in
a
lifetime
project
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
be
here
for
this,
and
I
think
we
have
a
great
team
of
people
and
it's
going
to
take
us
all.
So
thank
you
all
for
for
serving
and
contributing
to
this
effort.
S
Hi
everyone,
I'm
deanna
dupuis,
I'm
a
comprehensive
planner
with
the
city
of
boise
and
I've
been
with
the
city
of
boise.
For
about
two
years.
S
I
am
a
renter
who
lit
currently
lives
near
boise
state,
of
course,
we're
probably
our
neighbors
and
I
first
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much
to
everyone
for
sharing
your
unique
perspectives
as
a
neighborhood
planner
and
I've
gotten
to
work
with
many
of
you
in
the
past
really
hearing
how
you
guys
take
the
landscape
and
these
structures
and
make
it
your
home
and
your
neighborhood
is
really
what
fuels
me
and
it's.
What
gets
me
excited
about
my
work
and
I
really
liked
what
roberta
said.
S
I
hope
that
we
can
figure
out
a
way
together
to
go
forward
together
because,
as
you
know,
and
I'm
an
inherent
optimist-
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
once-in-a-lifetime
project
and
I
think
that
we
can
do
it
right
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
from
all
of
you.
C
I
did
go
ahead
and
identify
some
of
those
project
goals
in
the
agenda
that
you
sent
out,
but
I'm
going
to
let
don
with
clarion
give
his
brief
presentation
because
he's
going
to
walk
us
through
what
we
can
expect
through
the
process
and
it's
really
going
to
identify
what
some
of
those
key
goals
are.
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
let
you
take
it
away.
Dawn.
N
Now
now
we'll
see
if
the
technology
works,
the
way
it's
supposed
to
right,
which
it
usually
doesn't,
but
that's,
okay,
there
we
go.
Let's
try
this.
Let's
hope
this
is
right
all
right,
so
we
have
a
short
slideshow
and
I
mean
short,
it's
what
10
slides
something
like
that.
N
I
I
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
a
couple
things
one-
and
I
should
have
said
this
before.
I
was
impressed
too,
with
just
a
variety
of
backgrounds,
geographic
backgrounds
and
interests.
For
those
of
you
who
do
not
have
a
background
in
planning
don't
be
intimidated.
It
is
this
is
that's
why
you're
here,
because
not
everybody
does
and
boise
is
a
city
for
everybody
and
you
don't
shouldn't,
have
to
be
an
expert
in
zoning
to
understand
it
and
that's
one
of
our
goals.
N
So,
but
I
will
say
honestly:
there
are
times
when
we
start
these
projects
and
I
listened
to
the
backgrounds
and
the
people
on
the
task
on
the
advisory
committee
and
I
kind
of
think
we're
in
trouble
they're
all
sitting
on
one
end
of
the
scale.
It's
the
businesses
or
it's
environmental
interests,
or
it's
all
people
with
some
special
interests
or
it's
anti-growth
or
it's
pro-growthers,
and
I
am
thrilled
with
what
I
heard
today
in
terms
of
the
the
variety
of
interests,
the
willingness
to
learn.
N
N
But
the
point
is
that
the
mayor
maclean
wanted
to
kind
of
start
again
and
make
sure
that
a
wide
range
of
voices
were
included
and
that
we
weren't
missing
anything
so
we're
in
this
unusual
situation,
we're
not
on
ground
zero.
We've
been
to
boise
a
lot.
I
I
have
been
there
a
few
times.
Darcy's
been
there
a
lot.
We
were
impressed
with
what
we
saw,
but
we
have
done
a
lot
of
asking
and
yet
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
it's
a
half
written
book.
N
It's
waiting
for
you
to
work
with
us
to
complete
it
to
to
tell
us
what
we've
heard
correctly
to
tell
us
what
we're
misunderstanding
to
tell
us
that
your
perspective
never
has
been
included
in
what
we're
doing
so.
With
that
in
mind,
this
is
not
the
first
day
that
that
the
clarion
team
with
diane
kushlin
has
has
been
talking
about
this.
It's
been
months,
but
we're
thrilled
to
get
started
again
and
to
start
with
a
a
medium
abroad
and
a
diverse
range
of
people
to
guide
us
through
it.
N
So
who's
clarion,
I
said
I'd,
say
a
few
more
words
with
this.
What
I
do
for
a
living
amazingly
to
people
we
have
worked
with
about
223
projects
around
the
country,
doing
zoning
everything
from
fix.
This
fix
that
to
rewrite
us
at
code.
I
tend
to
focus
on
entirely
new
zoning
ordinances
for
big
cities,
complicated
cities,
medium-sized
cities,
but
places
with
complicated
problems
that
are
challenges
that
require
them
to
balance
competing
interests.
I
find
that
energizes
me.
N
This
is
the
team
you
heard
from
most
of
us
and
saw
most
of
us.
I
will
introduce
holly
white
is
in
our
denver
office
and
she
does
a
lot
of
visual
communication.
Graphics
and
most
new
codes
use
a
lot
more
pictures,
diagrams
charts
tables
and
illustrations
to
basically
try
to
make
what
could
be
a
complicated
field,
much
more
understandable
to
visual
learners
and
those
who,
whose
eyes
glaze
over
when
they
read
text,
but
they
get
it
when
they
see
a
picture,
and
so
holly
is
on
the
team.
N
For
that
perspective,
we're
gonna
we
again
it's
a
team.
It
works
together
and
we're
looking
forward
to
getting
started.
So
here
are
some
of
the
focus
areas
that
andrea
was
kind
of
lateraling
to
me
for
and
she'll
probably
want
to
say
a
few
words
after
this,
as
darcy
said,
the
city
worked
a
long
time
on
blueprint
boise,
and
that
is
the
first
thing
listed
here.
Why
are
we
doing
this?
N
The
answer
is,
there's
been
a
disconnect
between
the
goals
of
blueprint,
boise
and
the
administration
of
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
so
also
not
just
blueprint
boise,
but
you
can
see
the
other
activities
among
the
other
activities
that
have
gone
on
grow,
our
housing
keep
boise
moving
community
conversations
and,
of
course,
the
the
task
forces
that
mayor
maclean
appointed
when
she
took
office
to
try
to
get
her
arms
around.
What
people
wanted
to
see
engaging
citizens
and
stakeholders
is
a
challenge
in
the
time
of
covet.
N
You
know
what
it's
a
challenge
always,
and
it
is
to
be
very
candid,
not
hard
to
get
the
numbers
up
but
hard
to
make
sure
that
everybody
is
being
heard
and
from
the
start
of
this
project,
that's
been
a
priority.
N
Zoning
not
to
get
technical
tends
to
tends
to
lend
itself
into
a
three-way
categorization
with
kind
of
traditional
meaning
you
regulate
primarily
on
uses
form
you
regulate
primarily
on
form
performance,
meaning.
Well,
I
don't
care
what
you
call
it
or
what
it
looks
like
as
long
as
it
doesn't
annoy
me.
Those
are
three
approaches,
our
firm
specializes
in
trying
to
talk
with
you
and
for
work
out.
Okay
in
this
situation,
which
tool
works
best
to
meet
your
challenges,
I
will
tell
you-
and
I
will
be
happy
to
debate
you
privately
outside
this
meeting.
N
None
of
these
are
right.
There
is
not
a
right
approach
to
medium
or
large
city.
Zoning.
Every
large
and
medium
city
takes
a
look
at
them
and
chooses
the
tool
that
fits
it
best
and
chooses
the
tool
that
does
the
most
good
things
with
the
least
downsides
to
get
to
where
they
want
to
go.
So
one
of
our
goals
is
to
say:
let's
not
leave
anything
unlooked
at,
but
let's
not
be
doctrinaire
about
we're
going
to
do
x.
We're
going
to
do
what's
right
for
boise,
that's
the
only
x,
incentivizing
design
design
has
come
up.
N
Several
of
you
serve
on
design
review.
It
came
up
a
lot
in
our
initial
meetings.
Last
winter
and
diversity
of
land
uses
both
of
those
are
challenges,
because,
on
a
given
day,
the
market
may
want
to
do
one
thing
and
not
another,
but
we
all
want
it
to
do
a
variety
of
things.
Over
the
long
run
streamlining
development
review
procedures
I
have
yet
to
have
a
client
in
the
last
25
years,
who
said
please
make
my
review
and
approval
processes
slower
and
more
cumbersome.
N
The
goal
and
the
general
strong
trend
around
the
country
is
use.
This
process
use
this
process
when
you
are
discussing
with
key
people
who
care
about
the
city,
how
to
balance
all
the
competing
values
and
goals,
some
of
which
cannot
be
achieved
in
the
same
place.
In
the
same
day,
sometimes
one
goal
says:
go
left
and
the
other
says
go
right.
N
That's,
that
is
by
far
the
national
trend.
It
is
almost
universally
the
national
trend
very
few
projects
get
a
lot
better
by
making
the
approval
process
a
lot
more
complicated,
but
you
do
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
money
and
you
drive
off
some
people
who
would
have
invested
and
done
what
you
wanted
to
do,
but
for
the
time,
expense
and
brain
damage
of
getting
through
the
process
and,
finally,
and
not
least,
user
friendliness.
N
I
mentioned
graphics,
making
the
code
user
my
personal
goal
and
I
will
admit
I've
never
achieved
it,
but
I
keep
trying
to
come.
Close
is,
I
think,
the
zoning
system
and
ordinance
should
be
intelligible
to
a
person
with
a
high
school
education
and
that
you
should
not
have
to
call
your
friends
to
figure
out
what
you
can
do
with
your
property,
and
so
we
do
that
by
trying
to
figure
out
how
clear
can
we
make
it
and
all
new
codes
are
a
lot
more
visual
and
graphically
rich
than
the
ones
they
replace.
N
Those
are
among
the
things
we're
aiming
at
here,
just
based
on
discussions
so
far
and
the
and
frankly
the
values
the
city
put
in
its
rfp
when
they
said,
please
tell
us
why
you're
the
best
to
do
this
job,
I
think
andrea
won
again
on
it.
Once
again,
we
are
building
on
the
foundations
you
have
done.
N
I
I'm
going
to
ask
I'm
going
to
say
this
before
somebody
else
says
it
gee
it's
been
a
while,
since
we
got
blueprint
boise
adopted
shouldn't,
we
redo
it
answer
no,
the
prob.
It
is
much
I
it's
not
much
easier,
but
it
is
easier
to
come
up
with
a
vision
for
your
community
and
refine
that
vision
through
a
bunch
of
additional
processes
than
it
is
to
face
the
hard
issue.
N
N
If
you
loop
back
all
the
time
and
say,
let's
rethink
the
vision,
you
don't
I
with
all
candor,
you
don't
get
there
and
I
have
numerous
cities
who
are
very
frustrated
with
their
planning
and
zoning,
because
each
time
they
have
an
opportunity
to
fix
the
rules
and
incentives
and
procedures
they
go
back
and
revision.
Why?
Because
it's
easier,
and
so
one
of
the
interesting
things
that
happened
in
the
last
year
when
we
came
out
earlier
was
we
did
ask
people
now
this
was
six
months
ago,
but
you
were
still
under
a
lot
of
growth
pressure.
N
N
If
there
are
things
in
here
that
have
become
dated,
they'll
will
spot
them
in
the
course
of
writing
the
zoning
ordinance,
but
with
the
exception
of
maybe
one
or
two
people,
nobody
said
we
need
to
go
revisit
the
thread
was
we
need
to
do
this?
We
need
to
make
the
zoning
ordinance
make
this
happen.
So
how
do
we
organize
it?
We
have
these
initial
phases,
refining
the
work
plan,
organizing
the
work,
doing
outreach,
making
sure
we've
cast
a
very
broad
net.
N
You
are
part
of
that
effort,
but
you're
not
the
only
part
of
that
effort
it,
especially
in
covit.
It
takes
a
lot
of
effort
to
make
sure
you're
listening
then
drafting
it,
I'm
going
to
slow
down
there,
then
the
consolidated
draft,
we
draft
it
in
parts
I'll
talk
about
that
consolidated
draft
and
finally
review
an
adoption
of
the
code.
Let's
talk
about
that
in
more
detail,
so
obviously
organizing.
N
Obviously,
keeping
design
review,
planning,
commission
and
elected
officials
involved
in
this
and
then
saying
in
light
of
what
we
heard
do
we
need
to
tweak
the
game
plan
for
how
we're
going
about
this
work?
Public
engagement,
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
this
because
I
think
it'll
come
again.
We
we
always
use
a
private
website.
There
is
a
project
website.
There
is
an
open-ended
list.
N
If
you
have
friends-
and
we
beg
you,
if
you
have
friends
or
neighbors
who
care
about
this
but
didn't
get
on
this
committee
or
didn't
know
about
it
or
don't
know
how
to
engage
with
the
city,
please
tell
them
to
join
it.
This
list
grows
from
the
it's
already
there,
but
it
grows
throughout
the
process
to
make
sure
that
anybody
who
clicks
on
the
box
gets
invited
to
updates
interactive
public
meetings.
We
have
been
very
candid
for
the
time
being.
These
have
to
be
virtual.
N
When
that
happens,
we
will
have
to
refine
it,
but
for
now
it's
virtual
and
the
interviews
with
key
individuals
are
virtual
and
again
you
are
the
citizen
advisor
committee
meeting
I'll
I'll,
be
honest,
we
do
need,
we
have
and
we
will
refine
and
we
will
continue
to
refine
a
public
engagement
plan.
N
My
experience
has
been
very
bluntly
candidly.
What
we
write
on
paper
today
is
less
important
than
what
we
learn
along
the
way
three
months
from
now
six
months
from
now
nine
months
from
now,
we
will
know
more
about
who
is
not
at
the
table.
Who
have
we
not
reached,
and
the
more
important
public
engagement
is
not
writing
the
perfect
plan
up
front.
It
is
the
willingness
to
change
your
course
and
to
put
more
effort
into
different
things
in
order
to
meet
people
where
they
are.
N
So
you
are
not
assuming
that
everybody's
at
the
table
when
you
know
they're,
not
so
it's
that
flexibility
in
this
approach,
especially
during
covid,
but
particularly
for
disadvantaged
communities
and
communities
of
color,
that
that
makes
the
difference
in
a
successful
process.
Okay,
when
we
draft
it
after
we
refine
this,
we
will
draft
this
in
segments
I'll
show
you
a
timeline
in
a
minute.
N
We
have
learned
that
it
does
not
work
well
for
us
to
go
out.
Listen
to
you
come
back
and
say
this
is
what
you
said
here
is
a
three
or
four
hundred
pages
zoning
ordinance,
it's
what
you
said
good
enjoy
reading
it.
N
It
helps
to
do
it
in
segments.
Let's
talk
first
about
what
kinds
of
zone
districts
are
needed
in
boise
and
what
you
should
be
able
to
do
and
with
the
the
basic
form
and
and
massing
of
buildings,
how
big?
And
what
can
you
do
in
it,
and
how
does
that
tell
us
about
the
places,
the
zone
districts
that
are
needed?
That's
the
foundation
of
zoning,
whether
you
follow
a
form
based
or
used
based.
Zoning
approaches
next
is
quality
how
much
parking,
how
much
lighting,
how
much
landscaping
access
circulation,
buffering
connectivity
the
whole
point
signs.
N
The
whole
point
is
not.
Can
I
do
a
hotel,
but
how
do
I
do
it
if
I
have
a
right
to
do
a
hotel
or
I
get
approval?
How
do
I
lay
that
out
and
what
does
it
look
and
smell
and
feel
like
to
the
neighbors
and
to
the
traffic
system?
Finally,
in
light
of
those
two
things:
if
those
are
the
rules-
and
those
are
the
incentives
how
predictable
and
fair
and
efficient
can
we
make
our
approval
process,
the
hard
work
is
in
coming
up
with
these
rules.
N
The
process
is
the
wrong
way
to
slow
things
down,
because
you
got
the
rules
wrong.
So
that's
why
we
do,
and
each
time
we
put
her
out
we're
going
to
put
a
draft
out
and
we're
going
to
walk
it
through
public
engagement
so
that
on
in
one
round
you're
not
going
to
be
talking
about
parking,
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
zone
districts,
uses
and
building
forms.
Next
time
we
will
go
all
the
way
around
with
development,
design,
standards
and
quality,
and
then
we'll
go
all
the
way
around,
with
public
outreach
on
procedures
and
administration.
N
Tonight
we're
talking
about
how
you
get
through
the
system
and
what
that
needs
to
be.
How
do
who
makes
the
decision?
What
criteria
do
they
use
to
make
this
decision?
We
find
it's
a
much
better
way,
especially
for
non-zoning
geeks,
to
be
able
to
focus
on
a
discrete
set
of
questions.
Now
we
will
take
comments
on
any
of
these
topics
anywhere
along
the
way.
N
N
We
will
listen
to
folks,
we
will
take
notes,
we
will
record
it
and
then
we
will
move
on
to
two
and
we'll
do
the
same
and
three
in
his
own
same
when
we
get
to
the
next
slide,
the
next
step
we
roll
it
all
together
and
we
will
answer
as
many
of
those
things
as
possible
by
the
way
in
each
of
these,
we
will
footnote
all
the
changes
from
your
current
rules
and
incentives,
so
you'll
know
what's
changed
and
what's
not
changed,
but
frankly
the
real
reason
is
often
people
come
up
with
something
when
we
do
development,
quality
standards
or
procedures,
and
they
say
we
got
to
change
x
and
we
say
you
know
what
the
way
to
do
that
is:
go
back
and
change
something
we
wrote
in
module
one.
N
So
you
can't
perfect
each
piece.
Each
piece
is
interrelated
they're,
divided
into
modules,
because
it
helps
the
public
engage
knowingly
about
what
the
topic
is
tonight
and
how
and
to
focus
their
minds
on
this
part
of
the
puzzle,
and
then
we
go
into
writing
a
consolidated
draft
at
the
end.
So
I
did
want
to
point
out.
You
can
see
the
timeline
here,
but
down
at
the
bottom
phase.
Three
zoning
map
we're
talking
about
three
installments.
When
we
get
to
the
end
of
that,
we
will
put
out
a
map
that
says:
okay,
we've.
N
We
may
no
decisions
at
all,
not
not
even
a
thought
or
a
whim.
We
may
have
created
new
zone
districts.
We
may
have
consolidated
old
zone
districts.
We
may
have
decided
that
some
of
the
existing
zone
districts
no
longer
fit
blueprint,
boise's
picture
of
the
future
of
boise,
so
we
need
to
show
the
public
okay.
Based
on
what
you
said.
N
We're
gonna
do
in
three
two
and
three
three
integrated
draft
of
the
whole
ordinance
in
a
map
that
goes
with
it
so
that
you
start
seeing
okay,
I
understand
my
zone
district
used
to
be
called
x.
Now
it's
called
y-
and
this
is
the
map
of
where
y
would
involve.
So
it
is
doing
that
together
as
3
2
and
3
3.
Then
we
test
it.
We
have
private
developers
and
the
staff
go
through
and
say:
will
this
allow
people
to
build
what
we
want
and
not
allow
to
build?
What
we
said
we
didn't
want.
N
Is
this
too
restrictive,
meaning
all
the
developers
come
in
and
say?
Well,
it
sounded
great,
but
you
know
you
can't
do
that
on
any
of
the
available
sites
in
boise.
It
just
won't
work,
so
you
test
it.
Then
you
do
a
public
draft
after
you've
tested
it,
we
fixed.
We
did
part
one
part,
two
part
three,
we
put
it
all
out
together.
We
listened
to
feedback
with
a
map.
N
Then
we
refine
it
based
on
that
feedback
and
testing
and
say:
okay
now
you're
ready
to
begin
the
discus,
the
public
adoption
process,
basically
the
public,
the
now
we
have
a
draft,
that's
ready
for
prime
time
it's
been
tested
and
we're
ready
to
start
the
adoption
process.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
question
to
go
into
more
detail.
N
Next
steps
continue
to
refine
the
public
engagement
plan,
taking
into
account
what
I
said
earlier
about
flexibility,
see
if
this
comments
we
get
from
you
and
from
others
and
from
the
public
and
people
who
comment
on
the
website,
whether
we
need
to
refine
what
I
just
went
through
and
prepare
a
detailed
assessment.
We
have
because
we
started
six
months
ago.
Nine
months
ago,
we've
looked
at
your
code
a
lot
and
we
have
our
thoughts,
but
we
have
heard
things.
N
We
have
also
heard
conflicting
things
sometimes
and
we
clarion
based
on
our
experience,
have
gone
through
and
said
this
looks
kind
of
strange.
Why
do
you
do
it
this
way?
So
we
have
some
of
that
work
done.
But,
as
I
said,
it's
a
half-completed
book,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
add
to
it
and
to
tell
us
that
some
of
the
chapters
that
we
thought
we
heard
before
are
not
not
accurate.
N
So
it's
in
your
hands
at
this
point,
but
that's
what
we
do
an
assessment,
that's
the
road
map,
and
then
we
will
put
that
out
and
say:
what
does
the
public
feel
about
what
we
identified
as
what
it,
what
should
be
fixed
and
what
should
be
carried
over
and
what
should
be
retired
because
it
is
proven
not
to
be
in
the
best
interests
of
boise
in
its
vision.
So
I
think
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back.
N
As
always,
andrea
will
tell
me
that
I
spent
way
too
much
time
talking,
but
I
hope
that
orients
you
to
to
kind
of
where
we
are
and
how
we'd
like
you,
why
it's
important
and
why
I'm
so
thrilled
that
you're
here
and
you've
volunteered
for
this.
I
will
I
will
I'll
say
this.
As
my
closing
comment,
you
you
volunteered
for
the
hard
part
of
the
job,
because
ever
because
deeply
felt
values
come
into
tension
with
each
other
in
zoning
and
resolving
them
is
not
easy.
N
That's
why
it's
worth
doing
that's
why
it
takes
two
years
to
do
it.
The
writing
is
complex,
but
we
could
write
this
a
lot
faster.
What's
what
is
hard
is
staff
and
the
consultants
and
you
and
then
the
public,
coming
to
some
level
of
agreement
that
among
the
different
balancing
acts
we
could
do.
This
is
a
good
one.
This
balances
the
various
things
that
are
tugging
the
real
estate
market
and
the
neighborhoods
and
the
university
in
different
directions.
N
C
C
So
just
please
keep
in
mind
that
these
are
fluid
and
and
they'll
be
evolving
throughout
the
process,
and
so
we'll
come
back
and
revisit
them
pretty
regularly
so
that
we
have
a
full
understanding
of
you
know
what
our
goals
are
and
and
what
is
going
to
guide
us
and,
as
we
think
about
our
our
goals,
we
also
need
to
think
about
our
individual
roles
throughout
the
process.
C
C
And
so
we
really
want
to
achieve
some
type
of
balance,
and
I
think
we
have
a
really
good
balanced
group
we're
going
to
hear
from
people
that
are
in
relatively
stable
areas
from
of
the
city
of
boise.
That
may
not
change
a
lot
and
we're
going
to
hear
from
others
that
that
are
rapidly
changing
as
we
grow,
and
so
we
really
want
to
hear
all
of
those
perspectives
so
that
we
can
balance
what
those
interests
are
and
and
come
to
a
collaborative
decision
on
what
will
be
the
best
for
the
city
of
boise.
C
So,
if
you
ever
have
any
questions
or
comments,
you
are
free
to
to
contact
me
at
any
time.
I
will
go
ahead
and
send
out
an
email
following
this.
It'll
have
my
contact
information,
including
a
telephone
number,
as
well
as
an
email
address.
I'm
also
going
to
include
our
website
address
to
where
you
can
revisit
some
of
the
documents
that
we
have.
You
can
take
a
look
at
some
of
our
educational
materials.
C
You
will
be
aware
of
all
of
the
public
engagement
activities
that
will
be
forthcoming
so
that
you
can
not
only
share
that
information
with
others,
but
you
can
be
a
part
of
each
each
component
of
that
you
will
likely
be
seeing
things
slightly
before
what
the
general
public
may.
C
So,
for
instance,
we
may
run
some
ideas
by
you
prior
to
putting
something
online
for
others
to
see.
It'll
actually
be
a
really
quick
turnaround,
but
that
that
may
occur
and
that's
okay.
We
want
you
to
still
share
out
that
information.
If
you
have
questions,
let
me
know
I'm
here
to
help
you
and
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
the
process
and
be
a
conduit
between
you
and
the
public,
as
well
as
our
elected
officials
and
our
consultant
as
we
move
forward.
R
C
C
Sometimes
we're
asked
who
is
a
participant
on
our
committee,
and
so
sometimes
that's
really
helpful.
So
whether
you
want
to
share
your
personal
experiences,
your
volunteer
experiences,
your
professional
experiences,
we'll
leave
that
up
to
you,
because
all
of
those
perspectives
are
critical
and
important
as
we
move
forward
so,
but
that'll
also
be
coming
your
way
as
well,
and
then.
R
T
I
don
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
you,
in
your
process
with
other
cities,
how
do
you
with
a
group
of
20
who
who's
not
going
to
agree
on
everything?
You
know?
How
do
you
surface
and
resolve
those
points
of
general
agreement?
Disagreement,
I'm
just
I'm.
You
know,
because
it's
such
a
multi-faceted
thing
to
come
on.
You
have
to
go
even
through
those
three
three
processes,
and
there
are
some.
I
think
there
are
probably
some
core
philosophical
differences.
T
You
know
among
you
know,
to
paint
it
kind
of
you
know:
hey.
We
want
to
keep
boise
the
way
it
is,
and
then
we
know
we
want
boise
to
accommodate
a
lot
of
growth,
and
you
know
we're
willing.
You
know
people,
lots
of
new
housing
and
boise
that
looks
different
and
can
accommodate
more
people
versus
a
voice.
That
looks
very
much
like
it
looks
right
now
and
so
how
and
then
there's
all
different
dimension,
different
dimensions
of
that
conversation.
T
So
how
do
you
work
just
I
mean
so
we
can
all
kind
of
get
ready
for
how
we're
going
to
engage
with
each
other,
because
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
positive
intention
to
kind
of
listen
and
and
and
work
with
each
other,
which
I
was
really
happy
to
hear.
But
I'm
just
interested
in
terms
of
your
kind
of
group
process
with
an
advisory
group
of
20.
R
N
Would
love
to
stay
and
answer
your
question,
but
just
can't
so
no
I'm
kidding.
I
guess
I
have
two
a
two
or
about
a
a
three-part
answer.
We
don't
have
a
formula
what
we
bring
to
the
table.
What
I
bring
to
the
table
is
I've
done
this
for
a
long
time
all
over
the
country
in
a
lot
of
places,
and
so
I
think
what
helps
when
we
have
conflicting
points
of
view
or
people
or
deeply
held
values
that
can't
both
happen
in
the
same
place.
N
At
the
same
time,
you
gave
the
example
of
traditional
looking
housing
versus
stuff.
That
doesn't
look
quite
like
this,
but
it
houses
more
people
is
to
bring
to
our
bring
to
you
the
experience
we've
had
arrest
our
country
saying:
do
you
for
everything
you
do
in
a
zoning
order?
There
is
a
potential
unwanted
consequence
of
it.
What
is
the
downside
of
doing
this?
If
you
went
this
way,
rather
than
that
way,
you'd
achieve
this
good.
N
What
have
we
seen
around
the
country
that
says,
but
you're
probably
going
to
pay
a
price
and
here's
the
price
you're
going
to
pay?
For
that-
and
I
guess
when
you
say
process,
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
our
firm
has
been
successful
is
that
we
try
to
be
very
honest
about
that
and
say
you
know
what
you
just
said
sounds
right.
N
It's
you
know
what
someone
said
sounds
right,
but
if
you
try
to
do
it,
the
following
cities
have
tried
to
do
that
and
what
they
found
was
the
development
community
didn't
respond
the
way
they
thought
it
would
it
responded
in
a
different
way
or
the
people
who
engaged
in
the
process
were
not
the
people
who
they
thought
would
engage
in
the
process,
and
so
I
I
hate
to
be
simplistic,
but
it's
candor,
it's
being
honest,
because
my
experience
is
even
in
a
group
of
20
12
20,
whatever
it
is.
N
There
will
be
a
narrowing
of
the
range
of
differences
of
opinion
as
as
reasonable
people
start
saying.
Well,
you're
right.
I
care
deeply
about
that.
But
if
that
really
is
what
happens
or
is
likely
to
happen,
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm
going
to
push
for
that
particular
point.
As
far
as
hard
as
I
thought
I
was
I'm
willing
to
listen
to
some
other
ideas,
and
so
that's
part
of
it.
Part
of
it
is
if
somebody
says
you
know
I
want
x
and
we
look
at
it
and
say
that's
exactly
the
opposite.
N
You
don't
turn
the
car
around
and
go
the
other
way
we
talk
about
which
tools
could
be
effective
in
making
that
happen,
which
zoning
tools
could
be
effective
in
making
that
happen,
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
there
are,
there
is
no
free
lunch.
Almost
everything
you
choose
in
governance
has
a
consequence
to
it
and
you
could
talk
about
it
now.
N
If
we
can
agree
if
the
the
wah
in
the
group
is,
I
we
have
two
or
three
people
who
really
are
not
happy
about
this,
but
I
think
most
of
them
are
happy
with
this
that's
kind
of
what
we
tend
to
go
with
and
if
we
cannot
reach
it,
if
it's
10
and
10,
which
I've
never
had
happen-
and
you
just
are
torn
asunder
by
the
fact
that
no
one
can
agree
on
an
acceptable
zoning
tool
that
boise
would
be
willing
to
support
to
get
at
this
challenge.
N
To
be
honest,
sometimes
that
good
aspect
of
the
plan
doesn't
make
it
into
the
zoning
ordinance,
because
you
you,
you
couldn't
agree,
you
agreed
in
2012.
You
thought
there
were
some
zoning
tools
that
could
be
used
to
do
it,
but
upon
deep
reflection,
you're
really
completely
divided
about
doing
that
or
whether
the
city
could
support
now.
I've
had
that
happen
very
rarely,
but
I
will
say
that
that
the
choice
is
not
do
we
follow
blueprint
boise,
or
do
we
go
back
the
other
way?
The
problem
is,
do
we
do
we
follow
blueprint?
N
A
politically
supported
way
to
get
x
to
happen
so
x
turns
out
to
be
about
part
of
the
plan
that
doesn't
get
reflected
in
in
codes
and
that's
true
of
every
comp
plan.
Zoning
can't
do
everything.
There
are
lots
of
great
ideas
and
codes
that
do
not
wind
up
in
zoning,
because
either
a
zoning
is
not
the
right
tool
to
do
this
or
b.
We
couldn't
agree
on
a
tool
that
was
acceptable.
N
My
last
part
of
my
answer
is
having
heard
all
of
these
conversations
in.
In
the
end,
we
worked
for
the
city
of
boise,
and
so
we
go
back
and
take
all
of
your
feedback,
plus
the
feedback
of
citizens
and
stakeholders,
and
if
they're
areas
of
disagreement,
we
talk
to
staff
about
it
and
say
you
know:
do
you
want
to
what
do?
What
do
you
want
to
do
here?
N
In
the
end,
it's
up
to
city,
council
and
city
council
is
going
to
listen
to
the
planning,
commission
and
planning
commission
is
going
to
deal
with
the
draft
that
staff
put
in
front
of
them
and
so
at
some
point,
they're
they're,
the
planners.
They
need
to
make
a
call
we're
going
to
let
this
one
go.
You
know
it's
there's
going
to
be
too
much
angst
and
political
costs
to
be
paid,
or
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
do
it,
and
that
has
happened.
N
Everybody
agrees
you
want
to
do
x
and
upon
reflection
and
talking
with
staff
and
looking
at
the
budget
and
looking
at
stabbing.
It
is
not
only
unlikely
it
could
happen.
It's
not
likely
that
you're
going
to
have
the
money
and
the
information
to
do
that
in
the
future
either.
So
there's
kind
of
a
reality
test
that
happens
when
you
go
back
to
staff
and
say:
can
this
happen
so
any
that's
a
long-winded
answer,
but
that's
the
best.
I
can
do
right
now.
T
U
So
is
that
how
we're
going
to
do
this
we're
going
to
raise
our
hand-
okay,
not
used
to
this
multi,
you
know
not
being
on
not
being
physically
around
people
to
communicate.
So
this
is
all
new.
The
whole
process
is
gonna,
be
new
to
me,
so
I'm
gonna
probably
ask
some
silly
questions
until
I
become
educated
on
on
the
process
and
try
to
get
over
my
prejudices
of
how
I
think
I
this
should
go,
but
I
just
had
some
general
questions.
I
noticed
that
dawn
had
a
critical
timeline.
U
C
Either
one
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
give
it
a
whirl.
So
we
have
established
a
timeline.
The
timeline
has
been
established
to
kind
of
follow
a
logical
sequence.
C
You
might
lose
some
as
we
move
forward,
but
each
one
of
those
kind
of
gives
us
momentum
to
move
forward
into
the
other
so
that
we
start
to
to
build
upon
the
foundation
that
we
have
and
we're
going
to
get
into
deeper
and
deeper
detail
as
we
move
forward,
and
I'm
glad
that
you
said
that
you
know
this
is
new
to
me
and
that's
okay.
This
is
new
to
a
lot
of
people.
C
So
if
you
don't
know
what
a
term
or
an
idea
might
be,
go
ahead
and
let
us
know-
and
really
not
only
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
explain
that
to
you,
but
we
can
also
do
a
glossary
of
terms
for
the
general
public
that
we
can
put
on
the
website,
because
if
you
have
that
question,
someone
else
is
likely
to
have
that
question
as
well.
So
so
let
us
know
we
can
walk
you
through.
C
All
of
those
things
and-
and
you
know
don-
has
explained
too
that,
with
with
each
action
there's
a
reaction,
there's
always
a
consequence
to
everything
that
we
do,
and
so
you
know,
as
we
hear
these
different
perspectives,
we're
going
to
evaluate
what
those
consequences
are
and
really
try
and
balance
those
so
ask
questions
as
they
come
up.
If
you
don't
feel
comfortable
asking
questions
in
the
group
environment
you're
welcome
to
send
me
a
message,
and
I'm
I'm
willing
to
bring
that
up
to
the
group.
I'm
willing
to
answer
that
privately.
C
However,
you're
going
to
learn
best,
that's
what
we're
here
to
do
for
you
and
to
do
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
So
let
me
let.
N
Me
just
go:
can
I
I'm
going
to
add
one
thing?
I
don't
think
there's
a
hard
end
to
this
project,
meaning
that
once
we
get
near
the
end,
it's
kind
of
up
to
the
city,
how
fast
they
move
it
forward
through
the
adoption
process.
But
I
will
say
this:
we
need
to
do
module
one
two
three
and
then
put
it
all
together
with
as
many
changes
as
possible.
N
That's
when
it
becomes
real,
that's
when
citizen
and
that's
why
a
lot
of
time
at
the
end,
half
this
time
or
a
third
of
it
is
after
we
get
there,
because
at
that
point
people
who
said
I
don't
think
they'll
ever
get
there.
I
I
never.
I
I
literally
I've
done
a
lot
of
projects.
I
said
we
never
thought
it
would
happen.
You
know,
so
that's
when
it
becomes
real.
Once
it's
real
and
people
say
wow,
it
looks
better.
It's
clearer.
It
really
is
clearly
an
improvement.
N
N
The
only
people
who
show
up
are
the
special
interests
and
the
paid
lobbyists,
and
that
is
not
a
way
to
write
a
zoning
ordinance
so
that
the
people
who
are
willing
to
stay
involved
and
invest
time
if
it's
going
to
get
there
and
if
we're
having
fair
discussions,
will
not
be
there
if
they
see
the
middle
eroding
and
the
people
who
are
there
are
the
people
who
only
care
about
x
or
the
people
who
are
paid
to
be
there
for
their
clients.
So
we
have
to
stay
on
some
side
of
the
schedule.
U
Okay,
just
so
I'm
clear-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
read
this
summer
or
what
but
our
appointment
was
a
two-year
appointment.
B
U
V
U
Okay,
well,
I
just
yeah
I'd
hate
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
my
I'm
done
but
educational
materials
was
another
question
I
had
you
address
that
I
heard
somebody
mention
that
there
was
books
being
passed
around
or
suggested
for
for
this
I'd
like
to
see
that
on
this
chat
line
or
whatever
wherever
that
comes
from-
and
I
have
one
other
silly
question
here
too,
our
area
of
control
or
influence
is
the
boise
city
limits.
U
C
However,
I
want
you
to
be
mindful
and
everyone
else
to
be
mindful
that
we
have
an
area
of
impact,
and
so
we
have
identified
a
reasonable
area
in
which
we
will
incorporate
into
the
city
over
time,
and
so
these
rules
will
be
applicable
in
those
areas
as
well.
So
we
really
need
to
be
thinking
about
not
only
what
impacts
us
today,
but
really
giving
us
some
some
innovative
thought
and
how
it
will
impact
us
in
the
future
and
how
it
will
impact
those
various
those
properties
in
the
future
as
well.
C
E
Yeah
quick
question
for
andrea-
and
I
think
you
might
have
touched
on
this
a
little
bit-
it
sounds
like
the
idea
of
this
is
to
be
transparent
to
the
public,
I'm
assuming,
if
there's
something
that
you
are
showing
us
that
you
do
not
want
us
to
share
that.
You
will
tell
us.
C
Yes,
but
we
won't
have
anything,
that's
secret
or
private,
or
anything
like
that.
So
don't
worry
about
that
if
you
have,
if
you
have
materials
or
even
if
you
have
ideas,
feel
free
to
share
those
yeah,
we're
going
to
be
very
transparent
and
open
and
and
to
add
on
that
each
one
of
these
meetings
is
open
to
the
public,
and
so
as
we
move
forward.
C
If
you
hear
somebody
that
would
like
to
be
able
to
sit
in
and
watch
on
that,
let
us
know
because
we
can
include
them
to
provide
their
individual
links
so
that
they
can
come
in
and
watch
as
well
and
then
I'll
go
ahead
and
record
each
one
of
these
sessions
as
well,
so
that
it
can
be
reviewed
by
somebody.
Should
they
choose
to
to
take
an
interest
so
go
ahead,
and
let
me
know.
N
I
was
gonna,
I
forgot
to
say
that
at
the
end
of
my
presentation
do
not
ask
me
that
question
because
no,
I
can't
get
it
the
the
the
honest
short
answer.
Is
we
we
don't
we
don't
compare
talent
cities
like
that.
I
don't
have
one
that's
like
boise
and
that's
not
just
consultant
talk.
It
just
doesn't
work
out
that
way.
We
we
are.
We
are
working
in
medium-sized
cities
all
over
the
west
and
all
over
the
country.
N
Right
now
we're
working
in
I
mean
in
places
that
are
rapidly
growing
or
have
a
very
strong
growth
problem.
We're
working
in
rochester
minnesota,
we're
just
finished
bloomington
indiana,
where
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion
about
student
housing
and
affordable
housing
and
town
gown
relationships
and
the
edges
of
things
and
affordable
housing
and
mixed
middle
and
and
new
types
of
housing
that
don't
fit
into
the
old
fabric
of
the
city.
N
We're
also
working
in
fort
wayne
indiana,
which
is
kind
of
similar
on
some
issues.
But
we've
worked
all
over
colorado
springs
right
now,
so
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
you,
but
about
that,
but
when,
when
we
bid
on
a
project
like
this,
we
don't
say:
oh,
this
is
not
gonna
be
too
hard.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
lot
like
x.
It
just
doesn't
work
that
way.
We
build
it
from
the
bottom
up.
The
diagnosis
that
we
will
develop
with.
N
N
Colorado
springs
is
a
very
interesting
city.
They
are
very
conservative,
very
conservative
city,
but
we
are
writing
their
codes.
Now
they've
come
up
with
some
very
innovative
ideas
that
they're
playing
with
that.
That,
frankly,
I
if
I
told
you
it
was
my
idea,
you'd
think
it
was
great.
N
If
I
told
you
it
was
colorado,
springs
id
you'd
say
why
are
we
listening
to
colorado
springs,
and
so
we
we
try
to
respond
to
the
challenges
that
we
identify
and
that
you
identify
and
draw
from
whoever
wherever
we've
worked
or
invent
a
brand
new
one.
So
this
one
in
colorado
springs
is
not
one
that
we
parroted
from
anywhere.
We
just
talked
to
them
and
said
you
know
what
maybe
maybe
we
ought
to
do
this
a
different
way,
and
so
we
invented
it.
X
Yeah
probably
a
question
from
a
whole
project
management
team,
but
it
seems
like
we've,
got
kind
of
a
jumbo
jet
sitting
on
the
runway
and
about
to
take
off
and
there's
various
big
levers
and
buttons
to
push
here.
The
first
big
one
seems
to
be
zoning
map
and
uses
if
we
have
a
month
between
meetings.
Is
that
a
reasonable
place
for
us
to
focus
and
do
some
marinating
on
what
exists
now
and
get
most
familiar
with
that
section
of
code?
Would
that
be
a
recommendation
of
the
team.
C
C
I'm
absolutely
happy
to
help
in
any
way
that
I
can
so
just
let
me
know
if
you
are
interested
in
you
know
in
those
types
of
things
and
we'll
get
those
out.
We
also
have
a
number
of
videos
that
are
going
to
be
coming
out,
and
so,
as
all
of
that
information
comes
out
or
as
we
update
our
website,
I
will
keep
you
informed
there
as
well.
S
And
then
andrea,
I
just
wanted
to
add,
and
maybe
I'm
if
I
understand
you
correctly,
drew
we're
not
next
month
not
going
to
show
you
the
first
installment
of
the
youth.
Our
proposed
uses
we're
going
to
be
working
for
the
next
couple
months
on
the
education
just
to
kick
off
with
the
public
so
that
they
know
what's
going
on
and
they
feel
prepared
to
participate
and
the
first.
X
Yeah
yeah,
sorry,
I
wasn't
in
intending
okay
see
a
first
pass
at
the
next
meeting.
Just
code
exists
now.
If
there
was
a
good
section
for
us
to
be
most
familiar
with,
as
we
move
forward
was
more
of
a
question.
X
Q
W
Thanks,
andrea,
I
actually,
I
think,
deanna
just
answered
my
question.
It
was
in
regards
to
best
practices
or
a
schedule
for
reaching
out
to
our
various
personal
and
professional
communities.
I
assume
that
we're
going
to
get
to
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
question
anyway.
C
Yes,
so
we
will
be
giving
you
information
that
you
can
share
out
and
then
we'll,
let
you
know
too,
you
know
here's
where
we've
been
and
here's
where
we're
going
so
that
you
can
kind
of
anticipate
and
then
you
can
share
that.
Knowing
that
you
know,
one
group
may
have
a
particular
interest
in
and
one
section
or
another
and
and
they
might
have
really
valuable
input
that
we
need
to
hear
so.
C
H
Just
going
back
to
some
of
the
questions
in
the
chat
about
books
and
and
recommendations,
I
would
just
offer
one
recommendation
that
anyone
on
the
group
that
hasn't
read
blueprint
boise.
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
place
to
start.
I
think
it's
really
well
written
and
makes
you
proud
to
be
a
boisean
and
given
that
the
zoning
ordinance
is
our
tool
to
put
the
blueprint
voicing
into
effect.
I
think,
if
you
haven't
read
it,
I
think
that's
good
homework.
C
Ben
that's
a
great
suggestion.
If
you
want
to
access
that
quickly,
you
can
go
to
cityofvoice.org
and
you
can
put
in
zoning
code,
rewrite
it'll.
Take
you
to
the
zoning
code
webpage
and
I
will
also
be
sending
that
out
to
you.
But
we
have
two
different
links:
that'll
take
you
to
the
existing
zoning
code,
so
you
can
kind
of
explore
and
see
what
we
have
there
and
then
you
can
also
click
on
blueprint,
boise
and
and
it'll
kind
of
explain
to
you.
C
C
C
So
we
do
need
to
take
into
account
that
we
have
planning
and
zoning
commission
city,
council
and
design
review
committee
hearings
that
happen
frequently
as
well
as
historic
preservation
commission
as
well,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
keep
those
members
of
elected
and
appointed
officials
involved
and
so
we'll
have
to
work
around
their
schedule,
but
other
than
that
we
are
really
open
to
when
works
best
for
you.
What
we've
heard
with
other
committees
is
that
the
end
of
the
day
typically
works
best.
C
C
U
C
Thank
you
dom.
We
have
a
number
of
recommendations
on
the
table
saying
that
thursdays
seem
to
work
well
just
for
reference.
We
are
at
the
third
thursday
lots
of
people
saying
that
anytime,
after
three
works
really
best
for
them
at
the
end
of
the
day
works
best
for
them.
C
C
We
can
so
why
don't
I
take
some
of
the
suggestions
that
are
out
there
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
send
out
a
doodle
poll
and
see
what
works
for
others.
C
C
V
U
C
N
Obviously
it's
up
to
the
group
and
andrea
and
the
leadership
team,
but
from
our
experience
once
a
month
will
be
enough.
The
the
thing
about
zoning
is
that
you
can't
you
can
discuss
issues
a
little
bit
in
to
try
to
get
a
flavor
of
which
direction
people
want
to
go,
but
in
the
end
you
have
to
look
at
the
light.
You
have
to
look
at
the
pictures
and
the
graphs
and
the
text
it
it.
It
doesn't
lend
itself
to
vague
statements.
N
It's
trying
to
get
a
sense.
This
is
a
big
deal.
We
could
go
left,
we
could
go
center,
we
could
go
right
what's
their
sense
of
where
we
should
go,
but
then
a
lot
of.
But
then,
when
we
draft,
when
we
put
a
module
or
a
diagnosis
on
the
table
for
for
for
our
discussion,
then
then
that's
what
you're
really
looking
for
is
those
work
sessions
after
you
are
actually
all
staring
at
the
same
draft,
so
I
think
monthly
will
be
fine.
C
And
then,
like
I
said,
you
know,
our
our
communication
doesn't
stop
when
we're
offline,
you
you
have
the
ability
to
contact
us
anytime,
we
can
disseminate
information,
it
will
likely
be.
If
you
ask
a
question
or
something
I
will
send
it
out
to
the
larger
group.
Just
because
I
am
a
firm
believer
that
if
one
person
has
a
question,
it's
very
likely
that
others
will
as
well,
and
so
that
can
be
helpful
and
we
all
then
are
have
the
same
information
and
the
same
foundation
that
we
can
build
upon.
N
N
It
does
not
help
things
to
have
a
side
conversation
going
with
the
consultant
that
doesn't
help,
because
I
just
have
to
turn
around
and
tell
her
what
you
told
me
so
it
it
really
helps
to
have
one
conduit
for
information
that
we
can
all
be
a
part
of.
C
Okay,
well
again,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
time
today
and
their
their
commitment
as
we
move
forward
that
we
can't
do
it
alone,
and
so
we're
really
excited
to
have
so
many
different
perspectives,
and
so
many
qualified
people
that
really
have
a
passion
for
the
city
of
boise.
It's
it's.
It's
really
good
to
see.