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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting #3 - 11/19/2020
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The third Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting for the Zoning Code Rewrite for the City of Boise.
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All
right,
we
have
quite
a
few
individuals
that
have
joined
us
and
we'll
probably
pick
up
a
few
as
we
move
forward.
I
just
wanted
to
welcome
you.
This
is
our
third
citywide
advisory
committee
for
the
zoning
code
rewrite
we
are
excited
to
have
you
back
today.
We've
got
some
exciting
things
to
both
learn,
as
well
as
a
participatory
event,
so
that
you
can
share
information
with
us.
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We
have
cody
riddle
our
deputy
director
of
planning.
We
have
mark
lavin,
our
director
of
planning
and
development
services.
We
have
wayne
rizzavi
with
our
community
engagement
division
and
then,
finally,
we
have
myself
andrea
tuning,
a
comprehensive
planner
with
the
city
of
boise
and
we
are
working
on
the
zoning
code
rewrite
collectively.
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I
wanted
to
remind
each
of
you
that
you
do
have
your
google
drive
out
there,
that
you
can
access.
So
if
you'd
like
to
share
materials
with
your
fellow
colleagues
on
the
citywide
advisory
committee,
you
can
do
that
to
do
that.
You
just
share
that
information
with
me
and
I'll
make
sure
that
it
is
posted
appropriately
and
on
your
google
drive.
You
actually
have
two
different
components.
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You
have
articles
from
your
colleagues
and
then
I've
also
created
a
separate
file
called
zoning
practices,
and
that
has
examples
and
articles
from
the
american
planning
association
each
one
of
those
is
eight
pages
or
less,
and
it's
topic
based
so
you're
able
to
do
some
discovery
and
some
investigation
on
topics
that
may
be
of
interest
to
you
and
it's
easy
to
sort
out.
If
you
do
have
a
topic
that
you
would
like
to
investigate
further.
Let
me
know,
because
I
do
have
access
to
a
number
of
additional
articles.
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So
I
have
heard
from
a
number
of
you.
Throughout
the
week
some
of
you
have
had
questions
and
I
have
been
able
to
answer
those.
Some
of
you
have
asked
for
opportunities
to
meet
where
we
can
actually
do
a
mentor
process
and
I
can
kind
of
walk
you
through
some
of
the
items
that
we
may
come
across.
Get
you
through
some
of
the
processes.
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It's
been
an
enjoyable
experience,
so
if
anybody
else
has
a
need
or
a
desire
to
do
that,
go
ahead
and
reach
out
deanna
dupuy
is
available
as
well
as
myself,
and
we
also
have
a
number
of
other
planners
on
staff
that
would
love
to
be
involved
too.
So
we
can
certainly
get
you
connected
to
to
whomever
can
help
you
best
so
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
any
one
of
us.
We
can
certainly
help
you
with
that.
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We
also
have
released
the
diagnostics
report
that
is
available
on
our
website
as
well.
So
if
somebody
would
like
the
opportunity
to
read
that,
of
course,
you
each
received
that
information
last
week
and
when
we
released
it
to
you,
we
also
release
it
to
the
public
at
the
very
same
time,
so
you
guys
have
had
a
entire
week
to
read
and
digest
and
really
evaluate
whether
what
we
heard
is
correct
or
incorrect,
and
we'll
hear
more
about
that
a
little
bit
later
today
and
then.
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So
we
as
staff
compiled
a
draft
of
that
report,
that
draft
is
available
online
and
the
reason
that
we
are
moving.
That
forward
is
because,
if
you
have
listened
to
the
concerns
from
our
constituency
and
our
residents,
there
is
a
need
for
housing
out
there,
and
the
mayor
took
that
very
very
seriously
and
said.
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We
know
that
it
may
not
be
perfect,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
the
step
in
the
right
direction,
because
even
if
we
can
provide
a
housing
product
for
one
person,
we've
made
a
difference,
and
so
that
is
ultimately
our
goal.
So
this
is
something
that
we
as
a
group
will
revisit
in
the
future
and
we
will
look
at
it
holistically
and
how
it
ties
in
with
the
larger
code
so
be
thinking
about
that.
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If
you'd
like
to
provide
input
in
regard
to
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
out
there,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
It's
out
there
and
available
for
you.
If
you
have
questions,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
misinformation
that
is
being
spread
about
the
zoning
ordinance
amendment,
that's
proposed,
you
know,
feel
free
to
reach
out
we'd
love
to
speak
with
you,
we'd
love
to
answer
questions,
those
types
of
things
so
richard
it
looks
like
you
have
a
question.
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So
yes,
so
let
me
to
clarify
a
little
bit,
so
this
is
just
an
initial
step.
To
do
that.
So
my
individual
hope
is
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
take
that
year
or
so
in
between
before
we
as
a
city-wide
committee
can
evaluate
those
impacts.
So
we
may
be
able
to
use
this
as
a
learning
tool
and
say
hey.
Maybe
our
incentives
are
not
enough.
Maybe
we
haven't
targeted
targeted
the
right
population.
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Yes,
so
some
of
the
feedback
that
I've
gotten
from
it
regarding
the
incentives
and
some
of
the
sort
of
like
price
points
that
are
listed
is
that
a
lot
of
the
incentivized
price
points
are
still
above
market
rent
for
people
and
aren't
actually
affordable
housing
for
the
people.
That
would
benefit
most
from
it.
Can
you
speak
to
that
in
any
way.
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Yeah,
I
sure
can
so
the
if
you
follow
the
city
of
boise
has
a
program:
that's
called
grower
housing
and
it's
housed
in
our
community
and
development
division
and
as
part
of
that
they
have
a
number
of
different
programs
that
are
intended
to
provide
affordable
housing
at
all
different
price
points,
and
so
a
number
of
those
programs
include
our
housing
trust.
We
also
have
an
incentive
program
that
was
just
announced.
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We
have
a
lot
of
joint
partnerships
that
are
allowing
us
to
provide
housing
and
each
one
of
those
targets
a
little
bit
different
population.
So
you
might
see
some
that
are
have
are
targeting.
You
know:
30
percent
of
adjusted
median
income.
You
might
see
some
that
are
50
or
60
percent,
and
sometimes
even
80..
The
housing
bonus
ordinance
is
intended
to
do
that.
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80
percent
to
100
percent
of
ami
and
some
people
say
hey,
that's
more
than
you
know
a
lot
of
people
that
may
need
housing
make,
but
this
particular
ordinance
is
intended
to
target
individuals
that
are
on
the
brink
that
people
that
are
overburdened
by
cost
of
housing.
If
we
can
get
them
into
that
80
to
100.
Ami,
we
can
help
out
just
a
few
families
and
start
to
whittle
away
at
that.
You
know
one
housing
unit
at
a
time.
So
that's
the
ultimate
goal
and
that's
why
we
have
selected
that
target
that
target
population.
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So
we
have
done
our
welcome.
We'll
start
with
really
what
is
a
comprehensive
plan,
then
we'll
move
into
what
is
a
zoning
code,
and
then
we
held
two
city-wide
zoning
or
sorry
zoning
code
rewrite
kickoff
events
november
5th
and
7th,
and
we
want
to
tell
you
what
we
heard
as
a
part
of
both
of
those
events.
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So
when
we
talk
about
parameters
of
zoning,
there
are
a
number
of
influential
factors
that
affect
ozoning
works
within
our
community
and
it
really
starts
with
the
united
states
constitution
in
its
private
property
rights.
So
our
constitution
says
that
we
have
the
rights
to
own
property
and
that
in
the
fifth
amendment
it
says
that,
ultimately,
you
have
the
right
to
own
property
and
it
cannot
be
taken
from
you
without
just
cause,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
the
preliminary
founding
basis
for
property
rights
and
how
they've
moved
forward.
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And
then
we
had
a
number
of
court
cases
that
have
taken
place
that
have
kind
of
formed
how
planning
has
evolved
and
when
we
get
to
the
state
level.
Our
guiding
document
has
been
the
idaho
local
land
use
planning
act
which
that
document
specifically
requires
that
we
have
a
comprehensive
plan
with
visions
and
policies
that
are
going
to
guide
us
through
time
and
that
planning
act
also
says
that
the
boise
city
as
an
entity
has
the
ability
to
create
a
zoning
ordinance
that
will
guide
them.
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And
then,
in
addition
to
that,
it
allows
us
to
create
separate
districts
and
gives
us
the
authority
to
establish
standards
within
each
of
the
zoning
districts
to
regulate
items
such
as
building
height,
number
of
stories,
size,
construction,
reconstruction
alteration,
repairs
of
buildings,
size
of
yards
and
open
spaces
density,
and
really
the
siding
of
where
a
building
is
placed
on
a
particular
lot
and
then
parking
requirements
as
well.
And
so
that
is
where
you
start
to
get
into
what
a
zoning
code
actually
is.
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So,
as
we
have
changes
in
elected
officials
or
appointed
officials,
or
we
have
changes
in
our
staff
that
are
actually
implementing
those
goals
and
those
objectives,
we
have
a
steady
beacon
that
we
can
follow.
So
that's
going
to
provide
continuity
and
it's
going
to
give
us
a
goal
to
always
be
aspiring
to
be.
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We
believe
that
we
did
a
really
good
job
with
this
document
and
I
hope
that
each
one
of
you
will
visit
this.
Not
only
is
it
available
on
our
traditional
city
site,
but
you
can
also
have
easy
access
to
this
document
using
the
zoning
code
rewrite
page
down
at
the
bottom.
It
says
you
know
what
is
a
comprehensive
plan
and
what
is
a
zoning
code?
We've
got
some
information
there
as
far
as
videos,
but
it
also
will
take
you
to
the
documents
themselves
so
that
you
can
explore
what
those
goals
and
objectives
look
like.
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Boise's
growth
will
happen
in
a
sustainable,
efficient
and
responsible
manner
that
maintains
and
enhances
its
treasured
quality
of
life.
While
meeting
the
challenges
of
the
future,
boise
is
committed
to
becoming
a
more
sustainable
community
by
taking
steps
to
enhance
the
local,
regional
and
global
environment.
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We've
actually
created
those
seven
principles
that
I
have
circled
below
and
when
we
talk
about
those
seven
principles,
we
also
know
that
we
that
establishes
the
principle
and
then
there's
going
to
be
goals
and
objectives
and
how
we
can
implement
those
later
on.
So
those
seven
guiding
principles
are
environmental
stewardship,
predictable
development
pattern,
stable
neighborhoods
and
vibrant,
active
vibrant
mixed
use,
activity,
centers
connected
community
culture,
education,
arts
and
history,
strong
diverse
economy
as
well
as
safe,
healthy
and
caring
community.
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So
when
we
talk
about
what
are
those
neighborhood
plans
and
citywide
initiatives
and
strategic
priorities,
we
have
a
number
of
neighborhood
plans
that
are
area
specific,
that
have
boundaries
and
within
that
that
ultimately
identifies
an
area
and
what
their
goals
and
objectives
are
to
be
coming
or
maintaining
their
character
that
they
have
so
we
have
those.
We
also
have
a
number
of
master
plans
that
are
out
there,
so
you
might
see
in
the
downtown
area.
There
are
a
number
of
downtown
master
plans.
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We
also
have
area
specific,
the
lust
street
master
plan
and
we
also
have
like
transit
corridors,
so
state
street
is
a
master
plan
that
we
also
have
participated
in
and
we
own,
and
so
those
are
guiding
documents
for
us
as
well
our
housing.
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
grow
our
housing.
That's
really
intended
to
provide
housing
for
all
of
our
citizens
within
the
city
of
boise,
and
it's
got
a
number
of
key
ways
of
of
attaining
that
housing
that
our
city
needs
to
be
vibrant.
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And
then
we
have
a
number
of
neighborhood
reinvestment
grants
as
well,
that
run
through
our
energize,
our
neighborhoods
and
that's
a
way
for
the
city
to
reinvest
in
its
community
and
and
really
show
that
we
care.
We
want
these
areas
to
remain
vibrant
and
we
want
to
give
citizens
the
best
experience
that
they
can.
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And
then
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
our
strategic
priorities,
and
that
is
items
that
mayor
mclean
has
really
identified
as
her
priorities.
So
we
have
a
safe
and
healthy
city
for
everyone,
a
home
for
everyone,
movement
for
everyone,
a
clean
city
for
everyone,
opportunity
for
everyone
and
engaging
everyone,
and
when
we
start
to
look
at
the
priorities
and
then
our
master
plans
and
our
key
initiatives
and
our
comprehensive
plan.
A
So
now
that
we
have
the
comprehensive
plan,
we
can
ex
start
to
explore.
You
know
what
is
the
purpose
of
zoning.
We
talked
about
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
the
zoning
ordinance
being
a
tool
to
implement
that,
and
really
it
working
in
combination
with
all
of
those
community
initiatives,
but
it's
so
much
more
than
that.
A
A
So,
rather
than
me
giving
you
the
tutorial,
I
wanted
to
play
a
method.
It's
just
a
very
short
video,
but
I
think
it
does
a
really
great
job.
This
is
a
video
that
was
compiled
by
city,
beautiful
and
that's
one
of
those
documents
or
the
sources
that
I
provided
has
really
great
small
clips
of
videos
that
do
things
really
well,
they
they
explain
them
concisely
and
accurately
and
they
aren't
government-based
or
developer
based.
So
they
provide
a
really
meaningful
description
of
what
is
happening
so
without
ado.
I
will
go
ahead
and
play
that
for.
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F
A
G
A
F
A
Really
the
key
points
are
is
that
we
do
have
a
zoning
map
that
identifies
the
specific
use
that
exists
throughout
a
city
oftentimes.
Those
are
commercial
office,
residential
industrial
and
open
space,
and
then
from
there
it
talks
about
really
the
standards
you
can
apply.
Those
and
so
that'll
look
at
anything
from
a
lot
size
to
density.
A
If
there
is
an
appeal
that
is
needed
for
either
side,
it
will
ultimately
determine
what
that
appeal
process
looks
like,
and
so,
when
you
start
to
evaluate
that,
you'll
start
to
see
that
those
three
modules
are
actually
the
very
same
modules
that
each
one
of
us
will
be
evaluating
as
we
move
through
the
zoning
code.
Rewrite
so
we'll
be
looking
at
those
permitted
uses
and
the
zones
and
that'll
be
our
first
hurdle.
And
then,
when
we
move
forward
we're
going
to
talk
about.
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H
A
A
It
really
designates
where
certain
land
uses
are
and
provides
that
separation
of
uses
so
there's
truly
a
commercial
area.
Then
there's
an
industrial
area
office
and
residential
each
one
of
those
are
separate
and
they
have
different
regulations
that
are
attached
to
each
one
of
those
form
based
if
you
are
familiar
with
our
design,
standards
and
guidelines.
A
That
starts
to
create
the
picture.
How
you
want
to
how
you
want
things
to
look
and
feel,
and
it
really
focuses
on
those
physical
characteristics.
Do
you
have
a
sidewalk
and
street
trees
and
street
lighting
do
building
entrances
address
the
streets?
Do
you
have
windows
that
are
required
to
provide
a
sense
of
natural
security,
those
types
of
things
and
so
you're
really
going
to
focus
more
on
the
form
and
how
that
building
functions?
A
Then
you
have
an
incentive
type
zoning
and
that's
where
we
are
encouraging
amenities
or
community
needs
that
could
be
in
the
sense
of
housing
that
could
be
open
space.
If
somebody
is
willing
to
provide
a
transit
stop,
then
we
could
offer
them
something
different.
So
this
particular
example
shows
that
if
somebody
is
willing
to
provide
open
space,
they
would
be
allowed
under
the
current
code,
the
yellow
section
of
the
building,
which
is
office.
A
A
A
A
A
It's
always
going
to
give
you
a
very
predictable
outcome.
However,
sometimes
you
get
very
plain,
homogeneous
developments
that
occur
from
that.
Then
you
have
the
ability
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible
and
you
can
have
discretionary
codes.
That's
going
to
give
some
flexibility
and
really
support
innovative
and
creative
solutions,
but
you
want
to
make
sure
that
maybe
you
don't
give
a
developer
or
a
homeowner
the
ability
to
do
anything
they
want
that
is
in
their
creative
mind.
Maybe.
A
A
A
I
I
I
think
it
was
just
last
week,
10
days
ago,
two
weeks
ago
we
had
our
first
night
meeting
on
thursday
november
5th.
We
did
it
from
6,
7
30
and,
of
course,
in
this
time
we
held
it
virtually
very
similar
to
how
we're
doing
it.
Today
it
was
on
zoom.
We
had
34
people
logged
in
and
then
had
live,
21
youtube
viewers.
So
that's
similar
to
how
we're
recording
on
youtube.
I
I
Anyway,
so
how
we
did
it,
we
started
the
project
and
we
started
the
kickoff
meeting
with
you
know
a
quick
overview
of
the
zoning
code.
Rewrite
process
you.
It
was
the
exact,
very
similar
presentation
to
the
one
that
dawn
had
gave
you
at
our
very
first
citywide
advisory
committee
meeting,
and
then
we
moved
into
three
what
we
call
big,
tough
questions,
and
it
was
really
to
understand
a
bit
more
about
this.
The
community's
perspectives
on
some
of
these
big
questions
that
will
guide
us
throughout
the
zoning
ordinance
process.
I
So
our
first
question
was:
I'm
really:
how
can
we
achieve
the
vision
of
blueprint,
boise,
better,
I'm
similar
to
what
we
had
asked
you
all.
You
know
these.
This
is
the
vision
we
hear
that
we
wrote
in
blueprint
boise
now
what
are
the
things
that
we
could
actually
be
doing
in
our
zoning
ordinance
to
help
us
align
those
two
better,
the
development
of
the
city
and
what
we
hope
for
our
city
into
the
future.
I
People
are
really
interested
in
making
sure
that
we're
creating
a
city
that
thinks
about
food
systems,
sustainable
building
materials,
landscaping,
clean
energy.
That
really
came
out
as
a
big
theme
throughout
this
process,
and
I
think
then
you
know
our
next
one
right
after
that
was
creating
land
uses
that
improve
biking
walking
in
transit.
So
that's,
obviously
why
we
see
sidewalks
so
large,
and
then
you
know
we
had
a
bunch
of
different
other
things,
but
it
was
really.
You
know.
I
So
well,
then,
the
next
one,
andrea.
Of
course,
we
had
some
really
notable
comments
and
things
that
were
within
the
scope
of
the
zoning
ordnance,
rewrite
process
and
things
we
really
want
to
think
about.
As
we're
moving
forward,
people
were
very
concerned
about
displacement
both
in
terms
of
long-time
residents,
older
adults
and
or
local
or
ethnically
diverse
businesses.
They
really
wanted
to
make
sure,
as
the
city
of
boise
grows
and
change
that
we
are
being
aware
and
considering
that
we're
not
creating.
You
know
a
domino
effect
of
displacement
as
well.
I
People
really
wanted
us
to
really
define
our
measurements
of
environmental
stewardship,
making
sure
that
that
is
something
we're
thinking
about
and
setting
goals
for
ourselves.
There
was
this
kind
of
fear
about.
Maybe
some
folks
aren't
paying
their
fair
share,
as
the
city
is
growing,
making
sure
that
we're
doing
this
in
a
way
that
everyone
is,
you
know
contributing
to
the
success
of
the
city
and
paying
you
know
their
fair
share.
I
I
They
said
there
were
some
comments
about
how
what
does
climate
have
to
do
with
this,
and
you
know
so.
There
were
some
contradictory
comments
to
what
we
were
hearing,
but
there
was
a
majority
of
them
focused
on
the
topics
we
talked
about
before
and
then
our
second
question
was
to
say:
how
can
we
balance
these
competing
needs
and
how
can
we
accommodate?
I
We
are
recognizing
that
we
are
a
city
that
has
experienced.
You
know
this
large
increase
of
new
people
and
jobs,
and
how
can
we
have
that
value
as
well
as
maintain
a
predictable
development
pattern?
So
with
that,
you
know
we
ask
you,
how
can
we
do
this
and
is
there
new
housing
that
will
help
us
achieve
this
goal?
And
we
saw
a
lot
of
folks
who
were
focused
on
creating
what
we
call
neighborhood
scale
activities
center.
I
So
a
lot
of
people
spoke
to
you
know,
let's
have
more
things
like
bound
crossing
or
the
live
work
areas
of
garden
city,
and
they
wanted
to
see
that
across
the
city
we've
also,
you
know
that
goes
along
with
that
is
having
more
transit,
supportive
infrastructure.
So
that's
you
know,
including
that
infrastructure
that
could
house
that
helps
make
the
transportation
system
work
better,
so,
whether
it's
corridor
improvements
or
less
parking
in
certain
areas,
so
people
are
more
inclined
to
take
transit.
We
saw
that
as
rising
to
the
top.
I
We
also
had
a
lot
of
folks
who
said
you
know
we
are
growing,
but
we
should
be
doing
this
responsibly.
We
should
be
thinking
about
what
resources
we
have,
and
you
know
really
whether
it's
saying
we're
not
going
to
sprawl
out
further
than
this.
There
was
a
lot
of
comments
about
how
much
sprawl
or
not
sprawl.
So
it
was
this
thing
that
we
know
we
need
to
be
responsible
about
this.
I
And
then,
when
we
ask
well,
what
kind
of
housing
can
we
use?
Should
we
support
or
allow
in
the
zoning
ordinance
process
to
achieve?
You
know
to
be
able
to
accommodate
these
jobs
and
people?
There
was
a
wide
range
of
different
types
of
housing,
but
it
was
really
interesting
to
see
this
focus
on
innovative
housing
and
recognizing
that
not
everyone
is
going
to
want
to
live
in
what
you
know.
I
And
I
think
one
more
andrea
and
then
our
last
question,
oh
yeah,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
these
comments
are
pretty
typical
of
I
wouldn't
say
typical,
but
there
was
you
know
attention
over.
If
we're
gonna
focus
on
transit,
we
should
get
rid
of
you
know
we
should
have
less
parking
and
then
this
realized
realization
that
maybe
our
transit
system
isn't
where
we
want
it
to
be
so
that
folks
are
still
going
to
be
able
to
have
a
car.
I
There
was
you
know
again
another
intention
of
if
we're
going
to
create
a
lot
of
high-density
development
along
our
corridors,
making
sure
that
they
are
livable
corridors,
though
so
being
mindful
of
traffic
and
again
like
I
said
not,
all
housing
should
look
like
traditional
housing,
and
then
there
was
a
comment
about
we're
reckoning.
We
keep
on
saying
we're
growing,
but
we
need
to
recognize
why
growth
is
occurring
and
not
just
say
we
have
to
accommodate
it.
I
So
thinking
more
sensitively
about
that,
and
then
our
last
question
was
really
speaking
to
the
mayor's
vision
to
be
a
city
for
everyone
and
recognizing
that
are
there
asking?
Are
there
any
folks
who
have
not
been
included
in
the
great
gains
that
the
city
has
made
in
their
terms
of
the
housing
near
co,
the
economy
and
their
quality
of
life?
I
And
how
can
the
zoning
ordinance
do
a
better
job
to
make
sure
everyone
is
included
in
those
benefits,
especially
when
we're
thinking
about
well,
if
we're
going
to
make
changes,
let's
make
sure
that
we're
making
changes
that
benefits
most.
You
know
many
people,
especially
those
who
haven't,
had
the
opportunity
to
benefit
from
where
boise
is
now
and
yeah.
We
really.
It
was
really
interesting
to
be
able
to
read
all
the
comments
that
came
in
about
you
know.
Who
do
we
think
we
need
to
be
focusing
on?
I
It
was
a
range
of
folks,
but
you
can
see
here
what
jumps
out.
You
know
older
adults,
small
farmers,
renters
people
experiencing
homelessness,
a
lot
of
comments
about
long-term
boise
residents.
So
really
seeing
this
tie
through
that,
as
things
have
changed,
how
can
we
make
sure
that
everyone
is
coming
with
us
as
we
change?
I
So
we
asked
you
know
what
could
the
disturbing
ordinance
do
to
help
us
do
better
in
the
future,
so
a
lot
of
them
came
back
to
allowing
people
to
live
closer
to
where
they
work
or
what
goods
or
services,
whether
it's
allowing
them
to
live
closer
to
where
their
daycare
center
is
having
denser
housing,
focusing
on
really
reducing
residential
segregation.
So
a
lot
of
folks
said
you
know
certain
areas
of
the
city
have
not
had
the
same
benefits
of
other
areas.
I
So
how
can
we
make
sure
that
there's
more
integration
within
the
city
broadly,
a
lot
of
people
are
interested
in
our
pathways
to
help
folks
without
cars
and
thought
you
know
thoughtful
comments
about
urban
farming
and
our
wildlife
and
our
habitats,
because
we
are
surrounded
by
such
a
beautiful
scenery
and
then
again
some
comments
about
you
know.
As
with
any
growth
there's
you
know
making
sure
that
people,
you
know
that
folks
are
the
impact.
I
Fees
are
equivalent
to
what
the
impact
new
folks
are
taking
are
causing
on
our
community
as
well
as
concerns
about
property,
raising
property
taxes.
And
of
course
there
were
some
folks
who
said
you
know
we
are
an
inclusive
city.
We
don't
need
to
do
more,
so
just
acknowledging
that
we
did
hear
those
comments.
I
I
I
And
then,
and
then
yeah,
so
those
were
our
thoughts
and
I
haven't
really
looked
at
it
in
the
chat.
But
if
anyone
had
any
questions,
I
know
that
some
of
you
were
able
to
attend
the
kickoff
events,
but
moving
forward,
we
told
everyone
at
the
kickoff
kick
off
events
that
we
have
our
survey
open
and
that's
really
to
give
them
a
more
detailed
evaluation
of
our
survey
of
our
zoning
ordinance.
Now.
So
what
are
the
strengths
and
the
weaknesses?
I
Our
kickoff
was
really
to
assess
the
temperature
of
where
people
feel
with
how
we
should
handle
these
big
questions
about
where
the
zoning
code
should
go.
But
our
survey
is
going
to
give
us
that
more
fine-grained
detail
about
specifics
on
the
code
that
should
change
or
be
improved
and
then
from
there
we'll
move
into
our
final
diagnostics
report,
which
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
today
and
then
we'll
we'll
again
talk
about
that
at
our
next
advisory
mini
meeting.
A
It
is
currently
3
53
and
it
we
are
right
between
our
pro
presentation,
as
well
as
our
consultants,
presentation,
we've
all
been
sitting
for
a
long
time,
so
I'd
like
to
take
about
a
five
minute
break.
So
if
anybody
needs
to
use
the
restroom
or
get
a
drink
or
even
just
stretch
a
little
bit
that
they
can
take
advantage
of
this
small
break
to
do
that
so
feel
free
to
do
whatever
you
need
to
do
and
then
join
us
back
here
at
3
59..
A
A
A
F
F
F
E
F
Great,
thank
you,
so
I'm
gonna,
I
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
That
was
a
great
summary.
The
I
want
to
go
through
this
fairly
short
presentation
fairly
quickly,
because
the
real
point
of
this
is
a
big
group
here.
You've
been
called,
you've
been
asked
to
serve
and
you
have
graciously
agreed
to
serve
because
you
have
insights
and
we
need
them,
and
if
I
do
all
the
talking,
I
don't
get
them,
so
we
don't
get
them.
None
of
the
team
gets
them.
F
So
I'd
like
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
about
what
we
have
seen
and
heard
so
far.
So
you,
you
know,
we've
had
two
meetings.
This
is
our
third
meeting
we've
heard
from
you,
we've
heard
from
the
two
kickoff
events
we've
heard
from
various
people
along
the
way,
but
you
should
know.
As
we
said
earlier
a
year
ago,
almost
exactly
a
year
ago
we
came
to
boise
and
we
interviewed
people
that
was
the
day
before
actually
your
new
mayor's
election.
F
So
we
paused
our
work
after
that,
but
we
had
done
a
lot
of
collecting
of
work
and
it
falls
into
two
categories:
things
that
we
heard
from
the
citizens
of
boise
and
things
that
clarion
sees
when
it
looks
at
your
ordinance
and
compares
it
to
others
that
we
have
written
for
medium-sized
cities,
western
u.s,
fairly,
auto
oriented,
very
high
quality
of
life
struggling
with
growth.
You
know
boys
he's
not
like
anywhere
else,
but
you
have
to
look
at
it
from
the
lens
of
okay.
Who
else
is
dealing
with
these
issues?
And
so
this
is?
F
You
have
been
distributed,
an
interim
draft.
I
want
to
say
that
over
and
over
again
it's
an
interim
draft
when
this
was
put
on
hold
following
the
mayoral
election.
Everybody
got
really
clear:
okay,
the
mayor's
going
to
appoint
some
task
forces
and
then
she's
going
to
appoint
a
citizens
advisory
committee.
We
want
to
keep
this
moving,
it
is
we
had.
We
have
had
some
people,
we've
interviewed,
say
you
know
this
is
the
most
important
thing
that
is
happening
in
boise
and
will
affect
generations.
So
let's
get
it
right,
so
we
have
an
imprint
draft.
F
F
F
F
F
F
If
what
you
say
is
I
don't
believe
in
x
and
x
is
directly
con.
You
say
I
want
to
go
in
another
direction.
I
want
to
do
y
and
why
is
directly
contrary
to
blueprint
boise,
it's
probably
not
going
to
happen
because
we
have
not
been
authorized
to
change
blueprint.
Boise
we've
been
authorized
to
see
how
we
can
implement
blueprint,
voicing
a
vote
that
you
don't
believe
in
blueprint.
F
So
this
is
a
summary
of
what
we've
heard
so
far,
not
in
taking
into
account
yet
your
comments
or
the
kickoff
meeting
comments.
So
here's
what
we
we
heard-
the
menu
of
zoning
districts
in
boise's
current
zoning
does
not
align
well
with
the
type
of
places
that
blueprint
basic
boise
says
you
want
that's
fundamental.
F
If
you
don't
get
that
right,
it's
very
hard
to
get
the
places
you
kind
of
want.
We
also
heard
people
have
been
really
talking
about
form-based
zoning
which
andrea
described.
I
can
talk
about
it
more
I'd,
be
happy
to
talk
about
it
more,
but
I
think
what
they
mean
by
that
is
oriented
to
the
street
pedestrian
easier,
easy
making
it
easier
to
walk
and
bike
and
feel
comfortable
and
patronize
things
without
having
to
have
a
car
building.
You
know
the
look
and
feel
and
quality
of
buildings.
F
I
will
say
this
as
often
as
I
am
asked
the
question:
every
big
city
that
I
am
aware
of
uses
a
hybrid
approach,
very
few
use
only
form-based
zoning
and
those
that
do
say
they're
using
form
based
on
like
denver,
actually
have
a
substantial
part
of
the
code.
That's
actually
used
based
euclidean
zoning
embedded
in
it,
so
they're
all
hybrids,
go
to
bed
in
the
night
and
say
they're
all
hybrids.
Wake
up
in
the
morning
and
say
they're
all
hybrids
because
they
are
puds
negotiated.
F
Zoning
is
needs
to
be
straightened
out
and
historic
preservation,
I'm
just
quoting
you
what
we
heard
in
bullet
point
format
when
you
read
the
diagnostic.
The
interim
draft
diagnostic
you'll
see
this.
So
the
examples
here
are
how
newer
codes
are
better
illustrated
to
be
user-friendly,
also
how
they
can
represent
form-based
street-oriented
pedestrian-oriented
types
of
categories.
Excuse
me
types
of
building
quality.
F
Second
thing
use
regulations,
even
if
you
have
a
form-based
ordinance,
you
have
use
regulations.
Every
single
code
in
america
has
used
space
regulations,
and
so
what
we
heard
about
that,
what
all
right?
Let's?
Let's
assume
we
do,
want
the
buildings
to
fit
in
and
we
need
the
right
tools.
What
can
they
do
in
the
buildings?
F
Those
are
three
key
things
we
heard
about
uses
development,
quality
standards,
andrea
mentioned.
Sometimes
you
say:
thou
shalt
them
in
a
code,
sometimes
you
say:
thou
should,
and
sometimes
you
say,
if
you
do
this,
we'll
reward
you,
and
so
we
heard
incentivize,
infill
and
high
quality
development
and
there's
some
examples
given
make
sure
we're
not
requiring
too
much
parking.
I
will
acknowledge
what
deanna
said.
Usually,
it
is
definitely
true.
Most
of
the
comments
and
blueprint.
Boise
says
we
do
not
want
to
over
provide
parking,
it's
land
inefficient
and
it
makes
places
less
walkable.
F
That
is
generally
the
trend
around
the
country,
but
we
did
hear
voices
saying:
okay,
okay,
just
says
it's
not
hard
for
it
harder
for
me
to
drive
and
park.
We
heard
both,
but
we
heard
evaluate
our
parking
standards
and
make
sure
they're
not
overdoing
it
or
under
doing
it,
increase
connectivity
and
maintain
community
character
and
focus
on
what
matters
most
to
citizens.
F
I'll
warn
you
that
thank
you
for
signing
up
for
this,
but
I'm
warning
you
now
that
in
the
course
of
the
next
year
I
will
push
if
I'm
given
the
opportunity
in
these
discussions
to
say
when
you
say
community
character.
What
do
you
mean
you
can't
community
character?
Is
not
self-defining
when
you
talk
about
it
in
zoning,
it's
the
height,
the
relationship
to
the
street,
the
relationship
of
parking,
the
design
of
the
building,
the
intensity
of
the
use.
F
One
of
the
big
things-
that's
very
unsexy,
but
it
is
very
valuable-
is
to
be
more
objective
in
your
review
criteria.
We
heard
that
describe
how
each
procedure
works.
This
has
to
do
with
the
frustration
we
heard
a
year
ago
about
you
know.
I
just
I've
read
blueprint
boise
I
like
blueprint
boise,
the
decisions
are
not
coming
out
like
they
should
under
blueprint
boise.
F
I
don't
think
we
need
to
talk
about
this.
All
newer
codes
form
based
use
space
performance
based.
They
all
use
drawings,
flowcharts
tables
illustrations
to
help
visual
learners,
people
who
absorb
the
idea
visually
to
get
the
idea
and
to
understand.
Oh,
I
don't
like
that.
Well,
what
don't
you
like
about
it?
Let's
talk
about
what
elements
of
this
you
don't
like,
rather
than
trying
to
figure
out
where,
in
that
paragraph
the
problem
is
so.
F
I
do
have
one
slide
here
because,
as
deanna
said,
this
is
another
version
of
this
and
I
think
you'll
see
that
it
kind
of
overlaps.
It's
one
only
one
slide,
but
it
is.
It
touches
a
lot
of
those
things.
We
heard
a
lot
of
comments
about
aging
in
place,
pay
attention
to
seniors,
and
I
think
those
were
both.
I
like
where
I
live,
I'm
not
happy
with
change,
and
I
like
where
I
live,
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
live
out
many
more
years
here,
but
I'm
not
sure
I
can.
Unless
something
changes.
F
Equity
came
up
several
times:
sustainable
environmental
stewardship,
transportation,
agriculture,
housing.
Again
we
heard
so
again.
This
is
what
happened
on
november
5th
and
7th
significant
overlap
with
what
we'd
heard
earlier,
but
not
all
of
it.
We've
heard
other
development
process.
Improvements
came
up
this
this
issue,
which
I
think
I
raised
in
an
earlier
earlier
decision.
I
we
said
a
year
ago,
there's
a
substantial.
F
There
was,
a
year
ago,
at
least
substantial
distrust
between
citizens
and
their
government
as
to
how
decisions
were
made
and
how
they
could
influence
them
and
and
how
the
process
was
being
run.
That
came
up
again
and
again
the
transformation
ability
to
convert
things
over
time.
So
this
is,
I
think,
you
you
know.
We
we
had
two
two
hour
meetings.
We
had
a
lot
of
input,
stare
at
the
word,
clouds
that
deanna
put
up
and
the
comments
that
she
noted
stare
at
this
they're
just
background.
F
What
this
meeting
is
about
is
what
you
think,
and
I'm
trying
to
get
to
the
point
where
I
can
be
quiet
and
listen.
If
you
disagree
with
this,
you
need
to
say
so
it
is
not
a
done
deal.
The
cake
is
not
baked.
We
are
deliberately
slowing
it
down
and
trying
to
give
people
an
opportunity,
particularly
you
folks,
have
been
asked
to
to
be
a
part
of
a
cross,
cross-sectional
group
to
say
you
know:
did
we
get
this
right?
Is
this
right?
F
Is
it
not
right
and
to
give
to
be
honest,
other
people
in
the
group
to
say?
Well,
no,
I
do
think
it's
right.
I'm
sorry!
You
think
it's
not
right
but
to
hear
that.
So
that
is
where
we
were.
Here's
I'm
going
to
go
on
last
and
take
a
little
break.
That
I'll
tell
you
that
the
next
part
of
this
I'll
go
to
the
next
slide
is
what
clarion
sees
as
a
firm
who
has
written
a
lot
of
these
things
around
the
country
for
cities
of
all
sizes
and
counties
of
both
sizes.
H
F
Yes,
how
much
time
do
you
have
there
is?
There
is,
let
me
just
say
this
yeah,
let's
talk
about
it,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
it
at
the
end,
but
I
will
try
to
clarify
it.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it
at
the
the
word
was
raised.
The
concept
was
raised.
It
was
not
a
focus
of
the
discussion,
and
so
we
didn't
get
into.
What
do
you
mean
by
that?
F
F
More
than
they
do
whites-
that
is
those
are
broad
statements,
but
that
is
a
very
serious
conversation
that's
going
on
in
not
only
the
planning
but
the
zoning
world
most
cities,
even
though
you
could
trace
some
patch
of
zoning
back
to
racist
motives.
A
lot
of
it
is
not
racist
motives.
It
was
character
protection.
I
want
to
protect
the
quality
of
where
I
live.
F
So,
as
things
trickle
away
things
that
people
don't
particularly
want
to
see
near
them,
they
tend
to
go
from
wealthy
neighborhoods
to
poorer
neighborhoods
and
from
wider
neighborhoods
to
less
white
neighborhoods,
I'm
sorry
to
say
that
so
boldly,
but
I'm
trying
to
give
you
a
quick
answer.
That's
how
the
equity
discussion
is
happening
in
zoning.
I
wanted
to
get
out
that
that
out
there,
and
I
think
that
was
what
was
the
buzz
word
was
people
were
trying
to
remind
us
that
that
discussion
is
happening.
F
K
K
F
F
K
F
Well,
not
in
this
bullet
summary
deanna,
if
you
or
andre,
if
you
want
to
jump
in,
I
the
the
latter
part
of
that
parenthetical,
which
is
too
many
exceptions
for
developers.
It
was
just
a
special
case
of
the
general
comments.
We've
heard
that
I
don't
trust
the
process,
I
thought
the
rule
was
x,
but
somehow
it
turned
out
as
why
there
and
people
are
allowed
not
to
do
what
I
thought
we
were
requiring
them
to
do.
F
Lack
of
reinvestment
incentives,
I
think,
was
a
more
general
comment
that
about
the
code
about
the
code
not
lining
up
with
about
the
code,
not
lining
up
with
what
blueprint
boise
called
for
now.
Let
me
do
this.
Let
me
let
me
ask
deanna
and
andrea:
would
you
want
to
supplement
that
before
we
go
anymore
further.
I
And
I
think,
just
I
can
say
a
little
bit
about
the
too
many
exceptions
for
developers.
That
was
my
phrasing
to
what
I
heard
from
folks
was
this
feeling
that
some
people
weren't
paying
their
fair
share
or
that
not
everyone
was
being
treated
the
same,
and
often
it
was.
This
fear
that
some
developer
is
coming
in
and
they're
doing
what
they
want
and
then
leaving
I'm
not
saying
that
was
what
I
heard
from
some
of
the
responses
where
you
know.
If
yeah,
I
think
that
was.
K
F
Sure
now
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
this
again,
andrea.
I
gotta
I
gotta
figure
out
my
share,
so
we
can
move
on.
I
apologize.
I
do
not
know
how
it
I
came
out
of
it,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
figure
it
out.
Hang
on
a
second,
I'm
gonna,
get
it
back
into
zoom
and
try
to
get
back
to
the
presentation.
Just
a
minute.
D
F
F
What
clarion
sees
so
again,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
our
background,
but
but
as
we
look
at
this
ordinance-
and
I
do
give
need
to
give
you
one
piece
of
background
information-
our
firm
was
involved
in
blueprint
boise
several
years
ago
as
one
of
the
consultants
then
halfway
between
then
and
now,
and
about
five.
So
years
ago,
four
or
five
years
ago,
the
city
did
have
money
to
reorganize
this
zoning
orders,
and
so
we
did
reorganize
it
without
substantive
changes.
F
You're
here
to
do
the
hard
work
of
substantive
changes,
but
at
that
point
it
would
simply
restructure
it
and
that's
what
happened.
So
I
will
not
be
saying
you
know
bad
things
about
the
structure
because
we
can
change
it,
but
it
is
not
very
far
from
what
you
would
see
in
most
newer
ordinances
in
cities
around
the
country.
So
what
did
we
learn?
Here's
what
we
saw
when
we
came
out
I've
already
telegraphed
this
there's
a
high
level
of
distrust.
You
know
guys
that
sounds
very
general.
It's
a
serious
issue.
F
F
Will
this
rebuild
trust
in
the
zoning
and
development
process,
and
that
has
to
do
with
both
how
this
committee
conducts
itself
so
that
it
builds
confidence
in
the
fairness
and
transparency
of
this
process,
but
that
the
code
that
is
written
at
the
end
is
is
able
to
build,
is
more
predictable,
more
transparent,
more
understood
fewer
people
saying
I
don't
trust
the
process?
I
don't
understand
how
that
could
have
happened
under
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
so
it
sounds.
F
Some
things
are
very
wordy
that
are
not
very
important.
Other
things
are
very
important
and
there's
very
little
detail
about
it.
It
is
not
designed
right
now
for
effective
citizen
engagement.
There
are
several
things
that
could
be
done
that
we
think
would
be
done
in
newer
codes
in
other
medium-sized
cities
in
america,
which
would
allow
for
more
effective
citizen
engagement.
Don't
confuse
that
with
a
hearing
on
everything
that
is
not
the
best
approach
to
citizen
engagement.
F
Often
the
best
or
better
approach
is
better
candor
and
discussion
up
front
before
people
have
spent
a
lot
of
money,
investing
in
a
particular
vision
which
they're
then
reluctant
to
change,
and
it's
a
for
poor
fit.
We've
said
that
several
times
it's
a
poor
fit
if
you're
trying
to
get
the
city
you've
seen
you're
trying
to
get.
This
is
not
a
code.
That's
going
to
get
you
there
very
easily,
so
zoning
districts,
we
say
the
same
thing
we
do
agree.
F
There
are
a
dated
menu
of
zoning
districts
where
you
treat
separately
office,
commercial,
industrial,
other
types
of
non-residential
districts,
most
newer
ordinances
blend
that
into
mixed
use,
which
makes
it
much
easier
for
the
economy
and
the
investment
community
to
do
mixed
use,
fewer,
affordable
housing
options.
Enough
said,
your
institutional
districts
which
deal
with
educational,
medical,
other
campuses
are
out
of
date.
They
are
not.
They
don't
really
allow
major
institutions
to
evolve
internally.
F
The
way
they
need
to
evolve
hospitals,
colleges,
educational
facilities
are
constantly
needing
to
to
evolve
in
order
to
survive.
You
are
lucky
you're,
a
capital
city.
You
have
good
medical
institutions,
good
universities
and
colleges,
you're,
lucky
you're.
Winning
media
other
cities
are
losing
those
things
or
they're
being
gonna,
accept
the
energy
sucked
out
of
them,
you're
lucky
you're,
winning
you
got
them,
but
you
got
to
give
them
the
freedom
to
evolve
as
long
as
they
protect.
F
F
Often,
when
we
do
this,
we
reorganize-
and
you
could
see
this
is
a
way
of
organizing
information
about
the
districts
to
avoid
words
and
use
pictures.
Usually
it's
a
purpose
statement
followed
by
an
image
which
is
not
regulatory.
Read
my
lips,
not
regulatory,
oh,
but
he
didn't
build
it
like
that
picture.
That's
right!
The
picture
is
not
a
regulation.
F
The
picture
is
a
communication
of
the
height
scale
relationship
to
the
street,
about
how
high
about
how
big
about
how
dense
about
how
far
back
is
it?
It
would
things
in
this
district
be
a
table
of
the
key
things
how
high,
how
far
back
and
then
a
drawing,
so
you
can
try
to
understand
it.
Many.
The
point
of
this
is
to
take
zoning
non-geeks
citizens
who
are
very
interested,
but
not
interested
in
becoming
an
expert
on
zoning
to
say,
hey,
I
hear
council's
going
to
entertain
a
rezoning
from
x
to
y.
F
What
is
why
should
I
be
concerned?
Should
I
not
be
concerned,
this
is
intended
as
a
communication
tool
to
try
to
communicate
that
issue
better
uses,
no
for
the
for
fourth
or
fifth
or
sixth
time
today,
we'll
say
not
enough
housing
options.
There
are
procedural
barriers
to
getting
multi-family
housing.
I
will
say
this
and
then
I'll
be
yelled
at
probably
by
somebody,
the
majority,
if
not
the
significant
majority
of
the
people
really
in
need
of
housing.
F
F
It
means
you
think
hard
about
what
types
of
multi-family
are
appropriate
in
different
parts
of
the
city,
but
you
need
to
think
about
it,
because
without
that
you're
kind
of
aiming
all
your
intellectual
energy
at
a
half
or
less
of
the
affordable
housing
problem
dated
social
services
and
care
uses
that
are
just
not
evolving
with
the
way
people
need
to
live
and
the
services
they
need
to
get.
Today,
as
we
said
earlier,
you're
tr
the
code
tries
to
identify
every
commercial
and
industrial
institutional
office.
Use
that
you
could
do.
That's
not
the
trend.
F
The
trend
is
to
use
fewer,
broader,
more
flexible
topics
which
allow
the
market
to
evolve
within
categories
that
have
about
the
same
impacts.
So
you
don't
have
to
go
call
the
city
every
time
you
change
from
x
to
y,
because
there
is
no
land
use,
difference
between
x
and
y
there's,
no
parking
difference,
there's
no
traffic
difference.
This
is
a
low
intensity,
retail
use
or
it's
a
medium
intensity
office
use,
but
to
group
those!
So
you
don't.
F
You
cannot
name
every
use
that
will
happen
in
boise,
because
the
market
can
think
I'm
up
faster
than
you
can
name
them
up
and
finally
accessory
home
occupation
standards
wow.
If
there
was
ever
a
coveted
topic,
think
about
the
whole
country
trying
to
work
from
home.
We
know
from
experience
most
home
occupation
standards
are
very
dated.
Everybody
wants
to
update
them
and
now
somebody's
poured
gas
on
the
fire
because
we
really
do
need
to
to
figure
out
under
what
circumstances,
and
with
what
impact
is
it?
Okay
for
people
to
work
out
of
their
houses?
F
Because
some
of
those
people
who
went
home
for
covet
are
not
going
back
to
their
jobs
in
an
office?
A
lot
of
them
are
going
to
be
restructured,
so
they
don't
always
have
to
be
there.
So
that's
an
important
topic,
develop
development,
design,
standards,
parking
and
loading.
We
say
the
same
thing,
it's
kind
of
out
of
date.
F
Most
cities
have
automatic
adjustments,
you
get
your
minimum
is
x
in
some
areas
they
repeal
all
of
them,
but
not
often
that's
you
hear
that
that's
that's
kind
of
a
sound
bite.
We
repealed
our
parking
standards.
I
bet
you
didn't,
actually
you
peel
them
in
some
places
so,
but
most
places
have
minimums
for
many
uses.
Some
do
not
have
minimums
for
commercial
uses.
Bloomington
indiana
doesn't
have
any
minimums
for
commercial
uses
at
all,
but
they
they
say
if
you're
near
transit,
you
get
a
deduction.
F
F
My
my
part,
my
business
partner,
has
a
a
saying.
He
sometimes
says
you
know
it's
just
a
blizzard
of
words
and
some
of
it
read
that
way.
It's
kind
of
like.
Why
are
you
using
so
many
words?
I
will
say
this:
this
is
experience
around
the
country.
More
words
does
not
make
better
decisions,
we'll
say
it
again.
More
words
does
not
make
better
decisions,
clearer
words
and
fewer
words,
clearer
words
and
clearer
thinking
about
which
words
matter
most
make
for
better
decisions,
and
so
that
when
we
look
at
this,
we
think
wow.
F
No
wonder
they
think
it's
unpredictable
the
words
it's
terrifically
wordy
the
more
words
you
have,
the
faster
they
trip
over
each
other,
the
faster
you
find
out
that
you
can't
do
a
b
c
d
and
e
on
the
same
side.
It
can't
happen
it's
physically
impossible,
even
though
the
code
said
review
it
for
a
b
c
d
e.
So
that
is
a
significant
issue,
an
unpredictable
mix
of
standards,
criteria
and
waivers
all
mixed.
You
have
paragraphs
where
there's
a
rule,
there's
an
exception.
F
There's
a
criteria
for
approval,
it's
all
kind
of
in
a
blender
that
doesn't
help
people
it
helps
to
determine
this
is
the
rule.
This
is
the
exception.
If
there
is
one-
and
this
is
the
criteria
we
use
to
evaluate
whether
you
meet
the
code
subdivision
chapter
is
not
very
well
integrated.
This
is
how
you
create
new
developable
lots.
It
is
not
what
you
can
do
on
the
lot.
It
is
how
you
create
or
redraw
the
lines
between
lots
on
which
people
can
build
things.
F
It
is
in
most
states
a
separate
body
of
law,
but
it
needs
to
hold
hands
with
and
sing
off
the
same
song
sheet
as
zoning,
and
so
these
are
very
dated.
They
focus
back
in
the
day
when
people
just
said.
Oh
I've
got
my
zoning
turn
the
crank
come
out
with
some
lots.
The
illustration
there
is
that
many
many
your
cities
now
say:
okay,
fine!
You
get,
however,
many
lots
we're
showing
here.
You
get
20
lots,
but
we
don't
just
want
a
checkerboard
that
runs
afoul
of
the
environmental
features.
We
might
want
rural
character.
F
We
might
want
clustering,
it's
not
turn
the
crank.
This
is
a
matter
of
looking
at
the
land
listening
to
the
land,
agricultural
uses,
riparian
areas
and
being
creative
about
how
those
lots
are
created,
so
they
jive
with
zoning,
but
they
don't
just
run
amok.
They
are
treating
the
land
with
the
care
that
it
deserves
and
again
there
are
fewer
links
to
other
that
the
turn
the
crank
aspects
of
subdivision
are
not
well
related
to
what
the
code
says.
F
F
F
Well,
that's
not
a
good
way
to
steer
a
boat,
that's
kind
of
like
driving
with
your
foot
on
the
gas
and
one
on
the
brake
at
the
same
time,
figure
out
what
the
rules
should
be
through
this
process
through
putting
drafts
in
front
of
representative
groups
of
citizens
and
the
public
and
saying
is
this
right?
Do
we
need
to
hone
it
this?
What's
the
rule,
so
you
can
minimize
the
number
of
waivers
because
waivers
lead
to
people
saying
I
don't
trust
the
process.
F
I
read
the
rule:
where
does
it
say
you
can
get
her
out
of
the
rule
oh
over
here?
So
it's
not
a
good
idea
to
have
lots
of
rules
and
lots
of
waivers.
It
is
better
to
have
fewer,
clearer,
understandable
rules
that
everybody
can
understand
similarly
and
then
limited
waivers
for
situations
where
they
might
run
into
each
other
in
ways
you
couldn't
predict
ahead
of
time,
incomplete
and
overlapping
decision
criteria
very
wordy
in
detail,
vague
terminology.
F
So,
in
brief,
that
is
what
clarion
found
and
that's
what
our
opinion
is,
and
I
will
stop
talking
and
I
will
repeat
before
I
do-
that
you
are
free
to
disagree
with
any
or
all
of
this,
because
this
is
deliberately
set
up
to
say
it
ain't
done
until
it's
done,
and
this
meeting
is
a
key
part
of
getting
it
done.
So
thank
you.
F
Let's
just
go
into
the
questions
here,
I'll
leave
the
slide
up.
These
are
just
seeding
your
thoughts.
Do
you
have
questions
about
anything?
I've
done
again.
Did
we
miss
something?
Were
you
waiting
to
hear
x
and
you
never
heard
it
among
the
many
things
we
said?
Are
there
things
that
you
just
think
yeah?
You
said
a
lot
of
things,
but
this
is.
This
should
be
a
top
priority,
as
we
try
to
figure
out
how
to
balance
the
competing
interest
and
then
inclusiveness,
anything
that
strikes
you
as
contrary
to
an
inclusive
code.
F
D
F
A
F
All
right
slide,
17.,
let's
see
if
I
can
get
to
it
all
right,
so
it's
not
showing
up
on
my
screen,
so
I
will
do
it
they're
in
the
two
categories.
Perhaps
this
was
badly
worded.
You
have
sections
of
the
ordinance
that
talk
about
the
protection
of
sensitive
lands,
but
they
are,
but
they
are
not
in
the
subdivision.
F
Regs
and
the
way
to
consider
this
is
is,
as
I
said,
zoning
is
what
you
can
do
on
your
property,
which
you
can
build
subdivision
is
how
you
create
lots
when
new
lots
are
created,
we're
finding
that
you
would
have
to
read
both
the.
How
do
I
create
a
lot
with
over
here
with
some
other
part
of
blueprint,
boise
about
staying
away
from
riparian
areas
or
staying
away
from
sensitive
lands
or
clustering
to
protect
rural
character
in
these
areas?
So
I
I
guess
that's
my
my
I
don't
know.
F
K
A
planner
should
be
looking
at
a
development,
and
so
what
to
me
this
says
is
something
along
the
lines
of
this.
The
rules
in
the
subdivision
code
aren't
meeting
the
rules
in
the
planning
code,
and
I
understand
that
subdivision
is
part
of
planning,
but
it's
not
part
of
sort
of
it's.
The
subdivision
is
not
lending
itself
to
allowing
for
the
development
to
proceed
in
the
way
that
the
design
wants
it
to
be
or
or
the
blueprint
boise.
Maybe
in
this
case
wants
it
to
be.
F
F
Subdivision
is
treated
as
more
of
an
administrative
act
and
it
may
be
that's
true
in
idaho
and
if
so,
we'll
have
to
work
within
those
constraints.
We
do
work
with
city
attorneys
to
make
sure
we're
staying
in
touch.
However,
in
most
states
there's
a
growing
understanding
that
it's
not
simply,
you
know
it's
not
simply
an
administrative
act
because
of
because
of
exactly
this
it
it
doesn't
really
create
good
cities
and
increasingly
all
over
the
country.
People
are
saying
a
matter
of
fact.
There
was
a.
There
was
a
a
pbs
special.
F
Some
of
you
may
have
seen
probably
about
a
decade
ago,
called
subdivide
and
conquer
it
kind
of
said.
Once
you've
created
the
lot
the
die
is
cast.
You
can
change
them,
but
it's
very
hard.
If
you
want
to
figure
out,
what's
happening
with
sprawl,
get
into
subdivision.
Forget
zoning
get
into
subdivision
once
you've
platted
the
lots
and
I've
sold
lots
1
through
20
on
this
slide
to
my
cousins
and
buyers
and
whoever
really
hard
to
get
the
cat
back
in
the
bag.
F
You
can
change
zoning
all
you
want
or
try
to,
but
people
own
those
parcels
and,
as
andre
said,
they
have
a
right
to
do
property
rights
with
those
parcels
trying
to
get
that
back
together.
So
from
a
planner's
point
of
view,
zoning
gets
all
the
attention
you're
when
we
say
we're
doing
the
zoning
ordinance,
though
in
boise
that
includes
the
subdivision
controls
they're
in
there.
These
two
bodies
of
law
are
stapled
together,
they're,
not
good
friends,
they're
not
holding
hands,
but
they
are
together.
So
we
have
the
freedom
to
do
both
of
them.
F
But
it's
very
important
if
you
care
about
sprawl,
if
you
care
about
any
of
the
sustainability,
resilience
or
affordability
work,
you
need
to
figure
out
how
to
align
the
subdivision
with
it.
So
I
guess
I
would
be
happy
to
have
a
side
discussion
or
be
corrected,
but
I
guess
I
don't
agree
that
by
the
time
subdivision
happens.
It
ought
to
be
all
over.
F
If
that's
true,
if
it's
administrative
act,
then
you've
got
to
be
really
clear,
really
clear
in
your
subdivision
regs
when
the
guy
walks
in
and
rolls
his
plaid
out
and
says,
that's
what
I
want
to
do.
You
say
great:
I'm
going
to
review
this
against
our
subdivision,
riggs
and
guess
what
they're
tied
to
the
zilling
wrecks.
F
So
when
you,
when
we
say
you
got
to
lay
out
the
lobster
to
to
be
comply
with
the
city
that
includes
not
just
density,
it
includes
being
careful
with
the
land
and
how
do
we
know
what
to
do?
Because
our
overall
zoning
controls
tell
you
what
sensitive
lands
to
avoid
and
what
different
things
to
do
and
how
to
align
with
traffic
and
circulation
and
access?
And
so
you
can
do
it.
L
Hey
dawn,
I'm
on
design
review,
so
of
course
I
dialed
in
on
the
dr
comments
in
the
clarion's
report,
and
I
understand
it's
a
draft,
so
I
don't
disagree
with
it
at
all,
but
I
do
have
a
comment
that
it
would
be
nice
to
communicate
to
city
staff
and
the
other
officials
is.
I
see
the
conflict
and
I
think
part
of
the
problem
is
maybe
with
the
onboarding
of
the
committee
members,
whether
it's
dr
pnz,
historical
preservation
etc.
L
To
be
honest,
I've
had
better
onboarding
experience
with
this
committee
than
I
did
when
I
was
first
appointed
to
dr.
So
I
think
that's
would
be
helpful.
I
know
it's
not
part
of
the
rewrite
proper,
but
maybe
some
feedback
to
give
to
folks
and
then
the
other
comment
is
I
kind
of
disagree
with
regards
to
the
blueprint
boise.
L
Not
necessarily
it
needs
to
be
updated,
but
when
you
look
at
it
or
at
least
the
old
copy,
I
have
the
first
four
pages
are
all
policy
and
text
amendments
it'd
be
nice
if
the
document
could
be
updated,
so
it
could
better
incorporate
all
the
resolutions
into
the
document
proper.
And
those
are
my
comments
thanks.
F
Thank
you.
Oh
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
good.
Well
only
one
sentence
response,
and
that
is
yeah.
This
came
up
right
away.
It's
interesting
meeting
number
three.
It
is
very
common
when
you
get
into
these
rewrite
processes,
and
people
are
really
thinking
hard
about
how
to
make
it
work
that
you
come
to
the
conclusion
that
a
fair
chunk
of
what's
not
happening
well,
is
education
about
how
the
system
works
and
how
what
we
have
already
agreed
on
and
how
you
can
get
into
the
situation.
So
it
starts.
Looking
like.
F
Oh
we're
just
going
to
write
law
along
the
way.
It
is
very
common
for
people
to
say
we
need
to
set
up
a
system
by
which
people
who
care
understand
how
the
city
operates
and
understand
where
to
engage
and
what
the
rules
are
and
also
understand
when
it's
too
late
to
engage
this
property
owner
has
followed
all
the
guidance
in
the
ordinance
and
there's
really
no
legal
reason
to
turn
them
down.
F
And
so
we
need
to
agree
on
that
and
get
everybody
on
the
so
that
the
level
of
conversation
understands
that
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
input,
but
there's
not
an
opportunity
to
try
to
vote
down
something
that
meets
all
the
criteria
and
standards
that
you've
decided
are
good
for
that
development.
So
go.
A
M
M
Yeah
first
off
I'd
like
to
say
that
kind
of
the
the
points
that
you
covered
that
were
relevant
a
year
ago,
I
think,
are
just
as
if
not
more
relevant.
Now
I
would
add
that,
along
with
the
discussion
about
equity
displacement
seems
to
be
a
reoccurring
theme,
even
in
the
meeting
last
week
with
the
community.
L
M
F
So
but
in
every
city
those
areas
are
usually
25.
Percent
of
the
city
or
less
70
of
it
or
50
is
usually
single
family.
These
are
generalities
most
of
its
houses
on
lots,
some
of
it's
housing
that
is
not
individual
housing
on
lots
and
the
activity
centers
turn
out
to
be
only
25
of
your
land.
When
people
say
that
it's
because
you're
they've
looked
at
how
farm-based
zoning
deals
with
activity,
centers
and
multi-family
housing-
and
that
includes
downtown,
when
you
say
do
you
want
form-based
standards
for
your
neighborhood?
F
Usually
they
say
no
either
the
citizens
say
no.
I
want
to
be
able
to
build
the
house
that
I
want
to
build.
I
don't
need
to
be
told
what
the
form
of
the
house
is
and
most
city
administrations
say.
You
lost
us,
because
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
go
out
and
tell
everybody
what
kind
of
house
to
build,
and
nor
are
we
interested
in
not
getting
reelected.
F
F
They
do
talk
about
if
you're
going
to
do
a
townhouse,
how
close
to
the
street
etc,
but
the
things
that
people
are
reacting
to
often
when
they
say
I
like
form
based
zoning,
are
the
pictures
of
pretty
places
to
meet
and
gather
and
shop
and
dine
and
walk
around
and
be
interested
and
ride
transit.
They
really
weren't
interested
as
much
in
what
is
50
or
more
of
every
city,
which
is
individual
houses,
so
it,
but
we
don't
have
a
ratio
in
mind.
I
just
I.
F
I
view
this
process
as
a
is
an
opportunity
to
to
talk
with
you
folks
and
decide.
What's
the
right
tools,
I'm
not
interested
in
the
labels.
To
be
honest,
there
are
no
pure
versions
out
there
they're
all
mixes.
So
you
tell
me
what
you
want
and
what
you
don't
want
to
regulate,
we'll
figure
out
how
to
draft
some
tools
that
do
that
with
the
least
pain
with
the
least
complexity.
I
should
have
said
so.
E
As
a
member
of
this
committee,
you
know
I've
talked
to
people
that
I'm
on
this
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
questions
like
well.
What
is
it
that
you're
doing
and
why
is
it
going
to
take
three
years
and
and
is
it
going
to
solve
my
taxes
and
so,
as
a
committee
member,
I
think,
might
have
been
jessica?
Who
said
this
about
something
about
onboarding
members?
E
I
agree
and
I
need
all
these
foundational
basics
and
the
information,
but
it
would
help
me
on
the
committee,
as
I
relate
to
my
neighbors,
some
talking
points
or
messages
or
or
timelines,
and
you
know
I
don't.
This
is
not
at
least
I
I
listen
to
the
community
sessions
too,
and-
and
I
know
this
isn't
going
to
answer
everything
so
basically
my
question,
my
request
is
at
some
point:
can
we
have
some
information
on
how
to
explain
this
better
in
simpler
terms,
because
I
am
certainly
not
going
to
become
a
planner.
A
Roberta
that's
an
excellent
question,
and
especially
in
these
times
of
covid,
under
normal
circumstances,
we
could
go
out
to
the
public
and
we
could
meet
with
them
and
we
can
answer
their
questions,
but
we're
having
to
think.
Alternatively
and
our
community
engagement
team
has
created
this
idea
that
we
could
do
a
meeting
in
a
box
and
so
that
we
can
get
you
bookmarks
or
flyers,
that
you
can
hand
out
to
your
neighbors
to
your
network
that
say:
here's
how
you
can
participate.
These
are
each.
A
We
are
heavily
relying
on
our
citywide
advisory
committee,
social
media,
our
website,
and
so,
if
you
have
ideas
of
how
we
can
outreach
further,
let
us
know
because
we
are
looking
at
integrating
new
ways
to
connect
with
people,
especially
during
this
difficult
time
of
of
covet.
So
you
know,
please
keep
us
in
mind.
A
J
Yeah
thanks
actually
just
roberta
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
and
I
it
does.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
both
kind
of
figure
out.
How
do
we
engage?
How
do
we
each
get
informed
and
like
engage
our
communities
and
bring
them
along,
but
then
I
also
think
a
huge
part
of
the
trust
building
is
going
to
be.
Does
our
new
system
work
better?
I
mean
so.
J
I've
certainly
heard
from
people
who
felt
like
have
gone
through,
who
tried
to
get
something
done
and
felt
like
decisions
were
arbitrary
or
capricious
and
like
that,
so
I
think
you
know
we
want
to
listen
to
people.
We
also
want
to
like
make
our
best
effort
to
have
a
system
that
works
better.
You
know
going
forward
don.
J
J
You
got
to
fix
this
because
you
know
I
have
opinions
about
some
of
it,
but
not
all
of
it,
and
so
I
just
as
a
you
know,
so
I
think,
like
it's
good
to
have
somebody
say:
look
here's
where
you
are
if
you're
trying
to
get
to
a
zoning
code
that
is
going
to
get
you
closer
to
blueprint.
Boise
here
are
the
changes
you
need
to
make
and-
and
I
guess
my
question
is-
is
how
do
we
you
know
so
I
can.
I
don't
know
if
I
just
I
mean
there's
nothing.
J
You
said
that
I
necessarily
disagreed
with,
but
I'm
also
going
to
care
a
lot
as
we
kind
of
get
into
the
weeds
on
it's
like
well,
okay,
so
here's
what
we
have,
here's,
what
you're
recommending
and
then
I've
got
to
think
about
that
in
terms
of
the
things
that
I
care
about,
and
so
maybe
just
reflect
a
bit
about.
How
do
we
go
from
hey
here's
where
we
are?
J
Here's
where
I,
as
the
expert
consultant,
think
you
guys
ought
to
go
now
we're
going
to
kind
of
go
through
this
piece
by
piece
and
as
we
kind
of
propose
these
changes,
you
know
how
do
we
then
interact
with
that
and
say:
oh
yeah,
okay,
you
know
we're
going
to
react
to
your
idea
on
the
change
but
like
how
do
we
do
that
in
a
stepwise
process?
Thanks.
F
A
F
So
daniel
the
short
answer
is
this:
we
are
right
now
we're
focused
for
the
next
two
months
and
we're
interrupted
by
you,
know
two
holidays
and
we're
delayed
by
cobit,
but
we're
focused
on
making
sure
the
diagnostic
that
when
you
pick
it
up
and
read
it
or
look
at
it
in
its
final
form,
you
say
I
think,
that's
a
good
road
map.
I
think
my
thoughts
have
been
reflected
in
there
or
I
agreed
with
it
anyway,
so
I
can
go
with
this.
That's
the
focus
when
we
get
into
the
actual
drafting.
F
F
A
set
of
zone
districts
and
permitted
uses
that
we
think
respond
to
blueprint
boise,
and
we
will
footnote
in
detail
the
changes
from
what
you
have
now.
The
effect
of
this
would
be
to
change
x
to
y,
or
you
would
no
longer
be
able
to
do
this
in
the
district.
We
haven't
been
asked
to
do
that,
but
I'm
using
it
as
an
example,
or
this
would
allow
people
to
do
the
following
thing
in
this
zone
district-
or
this
is
a
brand
news,
understood
and
here's
what
here's
why
you
need
it?
F
F
More
importantly,
we
will
highlight
for
you
and
for
the
public,
saying
if
you're,
not
a
planner
as
roberta
said,
you're,
not
interested
in
being
a
zoning
geek
you're
staring
at
this
document.
You
appreciate
the
fact:
it's
not
a
whole
code,
it's
only
a
third
of
a
code,
you,
but
you
want
to
know
what
you
should
focus
on
and
the
short
answer
is
we
try
to
do
memos
ahead
of
time
and
we
try
to
make
the
powerpoints
saying.
We
can't
read
it
for
you,
you
can
read
it.
You
can
look
at
the
footnotes.
F
Here
are
the
10
big
ones
here
are
the
15
big
ones
and
raise
any
other
ones
and
here's
detention?
We
are
resolving
this
against
this
don
or
clarion
thinks.
The
best
practice
is
here,
but
there's
been
a
real
resistance
in
boise
forever
doing
something
like
that,
and
here
is
why
we
balanced
them.
This
way
or
you
know
clarion
said,
you
really
ought
to
go
this
direction
and
you
know
what
we
just
disagree.
F
So
that's
why
what
clarion
said
is
not
in
here
because
staff
said
it
can't
be
done
or
you
guys
disagreed,
or
it
was
four
to
one
against
it
in
the
in
the
survey.
I
don't
know,
but
we
the
only
way
we
can
do
it
is
to
to
build
your
trust
that
if
we
are
changing
something
big,
you
will
be
told
about
it
and
we
will
shine
a
flashlight
upon
it
now.
F
If
we
disagree,
if
we
we
explain
it
and
half
of
this
group
says
yes
and
half
says
no,
we
end
up
going
back
to
staff
and
say
well.
We
work
for
the
city
of
boise
and
the
city
is
going
to
be
the
one
who
has
to
recommend
this
for
approval
and
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
be
the
one
to
administer
it
and
the
planners
make
their
living.
Try
to
think
about
how
to
implement
blueprint
boise.
F
B
Yes,
hi,
I
guess
I'm
up
thanks
don.
I
think
this
was
again
another
great
intro
and
I
appreciated
the
overview
of
the
last
findings.
I
don't
want
to
be
kind
of
a
the
debbie
downer
here,
but
in
terms
of
the
trust
I
feel
like,
I
really
have
to
make
a
fairly
strong
statement
about
this
very
large
part
of
the
being
taken
away
from
this
group
in
this
housing
bonus.
B
B
L
F
F
I
I
I
hear
you
it's
it's
not
something
I
can
actually
respond
to,
because
it
was
a
decision
was
it
made
as
part
of
the
city.
I
would
reassure
you
that,
however,
it
comes
out
yay,
nay,
or
something
in
between
those
issues
are
going
to
come
up
in
this
process,
and
I
hear
you
say
it's
a
credibility
issue
for
this
group
in
your
mind,
so
andrea
who's.
N
N
N
N
F
So
it
there
will
be
raw
lands
in
the
future.
But,
more
importantly,
the
word:
infill
comes
up
and
transit
supportiveness,
often
subdivision
regs
get
in
the
way
of
those
things,
because
you
need
to
re-plant
the
land
or
re-subdivide
the
land
in
order
to
change
the
pattern
of
density
and
development,
and
you
all
of
a
sudden,
read
it
and
say
this
acts
as
if
it
doesn't,
we
have
to
do
all
kinds
of
things
about
access
and
electric
and
plumbing
and
hey.
I've
already
got
all
that
stuff,
and
so
it
is
relevant
to
infill.
F
The
only
way
to
do
this
is
to
listen
to
the
builders,
because
they
build
things
and
if
you
write
rules
that
they
can't
live
with,
you
just
get
one
of
two
things:
no
development
or
skyrocketing
prices,
because
the
growth
happens
and
you
can't
keep
up
to
it
and
now
you
have
made
it
your
wrote
rules
and
I
worked
in
philadelphia
years
ago.
They
got
so
aggressive
about
affordable
housing,
they
wrote
the
rules
and
all
the
multi-family
guys
goes.
Fine,
I'm
not
developing,
no
affordable
housing.
F
F
I
would
also
say
that,
just
as
I
said
the
maybe
I
give
you
seven
or
eight
on
the
level
of
distrust,
I
would
say
I
would
give
you
a
seven
or
eight
or
maybe
nine,
on
the
level
of
community
engagement,
it's
probably
higher
than
that
eight
or
nine,
on
how
much
effort
has
already
been
put
into
by
andrea
diana
and
the
other
staff
to
try
to
make
this
a
very
broad
citizen
engagement
process.
So
it's
not
being
driven
by
developers.
F
Somebody
will
say
that
to
me
somewhere
along
the
way,
don
you're,
so
in
favor
of
streamlined
government
or
efficient
government
or
objective
rules,
you
must
love
working
for
developers
answer
no.
I
don't
work
for
developers
at
all,
but
I
don't
like
inefficient
government
and
I
don't
like
unpredictable
government,
and
I
know
it
feeds
unpredictable
and
feeds
distrust.
I
like
forms
of
government
that
build
trust
so
that
usually
those
things
satisfy
both
builders
and
citizens.
The
the
question
is
not
to
fight
against
each
other
to
find
that
bland.
F
A
Okay,
so
the
question
that
we
have
on
the
line
states:
why
is
the
city
being
secretive
about
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
and
that
kind
of
plays
into
what
we
heard
from
richard
llewellyn
saying:
hey?
Can
we
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
something
differently
and
then
so
I
really
wanted
to
respond
to
that,
and
you
know
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion
up
front
about
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
and
how
it's
moving
forward.
A
It
is
going
ahead
of
the
zoning
ordinance
rewrite
specifically
because
of
the
time
it'll
take
to
do
the
zoning
ordinance
rewrite
and
it
has
been
recognized
that
housing
is
a
need
within
our
community,
and
so
it's
it's
an
urgent
and
imminent
need,
and
so
the
mayor
has
directed
us
to
move
forward
with
some
type
of
interim
plan.
The
zoning
code
rewrite
will
evaluate
that
further.
So
this
is
something
that
you
guys
are
going
to
be
able
to
see,
but
this
isn't
something
that
is
secretive
or
anything.
A
It
was
noticed
just
as
any
other
zoning
amendment
would
be.
So
when
we
noticed
we
noticed
every
neighborhood
association
and
any
agency
in
our
jurisdiction
that
may
have
input
in
regard
to
that,
we
have
provided
a
website
for
individuals
to
provide
feedback
and
then,
most
importantly,
you
know
we
heard
hey.
I
think
this
is
too
short.
Can
we
ask
for
a
a
little
bit
of
a
reprieve,
and
so
the
mayor
agreed
and
said?
Hey?
A
We've
had
a
number
of
individuals
call
us,
we've
had
manufactured
home
communities,
call
us
with
fears
of
displacement
and
we
have
scheduled
meetings
with
them
and
so
we're
kind
of
working
with
them
and
talking
about
it
you
know
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
citizens
as
well
for
hours
at
a
time
asking
for
those
feedback.
So
you
we
aren't
moving
forward
without
the
zoning,
the
citizens
advisory
committee.
A
If
you
have
comments,
I
know
that
I
have
received
comments
from
about
eight
of
our
committee
members,
thus
far,
if
the
remainder,
if
you'd
like
to
provide
comment,
please
do
so.
We
have
an
entire
website
dedicated
to
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
and
has
a
proposal
there.
When
we
move
forward
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
we're
going
to
be
very
upfront
and
say
this
is
what
we've
heard
and
we're
hoping
that
we
can
respond
to
what
we've
heard
and
keep
in
mind.
A
M
Yes,
I
just,
I
guess
it
seems
like
there's
some
I'm
following
the
conversation
in
the
chat
as
well
about
this.
It
seems
like
there's
people
that
view
this
as
a
good
kind
of
experiment
to
see
what
works
is.
Is
there?
Are
there
plans
to
check
in
with
the
housing
bonus
ordinance
as
it's
going?
So
we
don't.
You
know
two
years
down
the
line
when
the
zoning
rewrites
done.
We
don't
say,
oh,
that
was
a
bad
idea.
A
That's
a
great
question
and
the
answer
is
absolutely:
you
know
with
any
type
of
plan
it's
important
to
evaluate.
You
know
what
is
happening
because
of
that,
and
so
we
will
we'll
be
tracking
anybody
that
were
to
to
utilize.
That
particular
section
of
our
code
in
a
really
great
reminder,
too,
is
that
this
isn't
our
only
incentive
code
that
we
have.
A
If
you
actually
take
a
look
at
our
multi-family
standards
in
our
existing
code,
there
are
allowances
where
you
can
increase
density
if
you're
near
transit,
you
have
the
ability
to
reduce
your
parking
if
you're
available
or,
if
you're,
near
a
transit
line,
if
you're
providing
additional
bicycles
if
you're
providing
affordable
housing,
and
so
it
just
targets
a
different
group
of
individuals,
and
so
this
isn't
new.
This
isn't
new
to
our
community
either.
A
So
this
is
just
a
different
way
for
us
to
approach,
affordable
housing
to
get
different
products
in
different
price
points
for
everyone,
and
it
really
plays
back
into
that
that
strategic
priority
of
a
house
for
everyone,
and
then
it
ties
back
into
the
comprehensive
plan
and
looking
at
at
housing
and
stable
neighborhoods
and
and
how
we
can
build
these
places
for
people.
So
I'm
hoping
that
answered
your
question
and
then
I
also
have
brad
nielsen
again.
N
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
everybody
to
get
out
into
town
and
look
around
and
see
what
is
actually
happening.
I
would
encourage
you
to
go
south
of
victory.
I
know
this
is
getting
outside
of
city
limits
again,
but
south
victory,
probably
between
cole
road
and
even
10,
mile
the
subdivisions
that
are
going
on
out
there.
N
N
N
N
F
Yeah
now
it's
it's
a
complicated
problem
and
we've
our
firm
has
had
to
deal
with
other
rapidly
growing
cities
who
are
concerned
about
some
people.
Call
them
pull
apart.
Townhouses
some
people
call
them
tall
skinnies,
but
that's
being
driven
by
land
value
by
the
fact
that
the
only
way
to
make
it
affordable
is
to
get
more
units
on
the
site
and
you're
exactly
right.
It.
I've
had
I've
had
somewhat
heated
discussions
with
developers
where
they
say
don.
It
must
be
good,
they're
buying
it,
and
I
say,
they'll
buy
anything
right
now.
F
They
can't
afford
it.
They
have
to
buy
what
you
build.
That
doesn't
mean
it's
a
good
city
that
doesn't
mean
that
this
is
going
to
stand
the
test
of
time.
You
know
we
got
it.
We
got
to
figure
out
where
in
that,
and
sometimes
it
means
not
allowing
that
sometimes
it
means
requiring
more
communal,
open
space
to
to
leven
it
all
up.
F
There
is
no
one
answer,
but
it
that
is
being
driven
not
by
the
bonus
or
anything
it's
being
driven
by
pure
land,
values
and
market
demand,
and
the
real
question
I
think
behind
your
question
is:
should
somebody
have
their
foot
on
the
brake
and
say
let's
look
at
medium
and
long
term
what
this
is
and
what
what
would
make
it
workable
in
the
long
term
rather
than
just
the
short
term,
but
it
sounds
like
this
may
be
outside
the
city
limits
too.
So
I'd.
C
F
To
say
one
more
thing,
and
that
is,
I
want
to
be
very
clear
I
was
not
in.
I
was
not
the
one
who
made
the
decision
to
run
the
housing
bonus
separately.
However,
it
is
com,
it's
not
uncommon,
at
all
for
cities
to
say
look.
We
got
a
problem.
We
gotta
solve
right
now,
while
we're
tackling
the
big
zoning
ornamentary
right,
bloomington
indiana
did
that
to
get
some
interim
controls
to
manage
some
student
housing
issues.
Rochester
minnesota
just
did
that
to
come
up
with
solutions
for
tod
for
transit,
oriented
development.
F
That
would
then
be
reconsidered
and
rolled
into
what's
going
on,
we
have
had
numerous
cities
say,
get
us
an
interim
ordinance
on
accessory
dwelling
units
and
then
reconsider
it
as
you
go
down
the
road
and
as
you've
had
a
more
thoughtful
balancing.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out.
I
was
not
involved
in
this.
It
is
not
uncommon
and
by
the
way
it
is
also
likely.
F
I
will
say
this:
it's
also
likely
that
other
things
will
come
up
in
the
next
two
years
that
the
city
will
need
to
deal
with
right
away
and
they
will
not
go
through
this
group.
I'm
just
saying
like
what,
if
this
happened
a
year
ago
and
the
city
had
had
to
figure
out
whether
to
use
parking
lots
for
outdoor
dining,
I'm
making
up
an
example,
they
would
not
want
to
wait
two
and
a
half
years
to
get
that
ordinance
through.
They
would
pass
an
ordinance
on
an
interim
basis
and
then
say
so.
F
Is
this
good
for
the
long
term?
Is
this
not
a
good
long
term?
City
government
goes
on
while
you're
doing
this
hard,
hard
work
and
while
we
always
roll
those
things
into
the
final
product,
if
council
has
asked
advice,
give
advice,
the
council
has
tried
to
say:
we've
passed,
this
ordinance
make
sure
you
roll
it
into
what
you're
doing
we'll
do
that,
but
I
I
do
want
to
to
to
mention.
F
We
need
the
thoughtful
thinking
about
long-term
good
of
the
city
and
what
the
zoning
arms
will
get
there
and
in
the
meantime,
the
city's
got
to
keep
running
the
wheels
got
to
keep
turning
something's
got
to
keep
happening
or
people
don't
have
their
urban
services
and,
frankly,
they're
not
willing
to
wait
for
those
things
to
be
fixed.
So.
G
Thank
you
at
a
couple
points
in
this
discussion.
There's
been
points
made
about
the
distinction
between
activity
centers
and
the
more
developed
denser
parts
of
the
town
versus
traditional
single-family
home
neighborhoods,
also
with
some
of
our
goals
about
new
housing
types,
affordability
and
equity
across
the
city,
and
also
your
comment
about
how
sometimes
cities
would
say,
we're
going
to
do
form-based
zoning
in
certain
denser
parts,
but
leave
the
current
existing
single-family
home
neighborhoods,
more
or
less
as
they
are.
G
F
F
A
lot
of
people
support
it
in
concept,
don't
support
it
on
their
own
block
and
that's
just
a
conversation
we're
going
to
have
to
have,
but
nobody
has
said
this
is
done,
figure
out
a
way
to
do
minneapolis
and
get
some
other
types
of
housing
into
single
family
and
they've.
Also
not
said
you
know
what
stay
away
from
single-family
housing,
so
that
would
be
part
of
our
discussion.
Thanks.
O
The
floor.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
just
a
couple
of
things
in
light
of
brad's
comment
about
the
victory
area
for
those
who
don't
pay,
haven't
paid
that
much
attention
to
planning
and
zoning.
I
would
personally
encourage
you,
especially
now,
with
the
virtual
meetings
to
consider
attending
or
at
least
browsing
through
the
agenda
for
the
pnz
meetings
to
get
a
sense
of
the
type
of
developments
that
are
occurring
throughout
the
city
boundaries,
because
you
will
see
you
know
we
still
have.
O
O
You
know
I
come
home
and
I
think
about
well.
How
can
we
make
that
happen
here,
and
so
I
I
thought
that
your
your
document,
that
you
know
you
kind
of
summarized
in
reading
through
it.
I
thought
it
really
hit
on
some
really
important
key
points.
So
I
just
want
to
say
great
job
and
I
am
excited
to
move
forward
and
start
getting
down
into
the
weeds
of
you
know
the
zorn,
the
zoning
ordinances.
F
A
A
We
absolutely
can
so
we're
going
to
put
those
on
the
google
drive
and
then
we'll
also
attach
those
for
you
as
well,
so
that
you
have
those
for
your
consideration
and
then,
in
light
of
esther's
comment
that
hey
take
a
look
at
one
of
planning
and
zoning's
meetings
or
city
council's
meetings,
because
it
really
is
a
good
learning
experience
to
learn
how
things
are
evaluated.
And
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
attach
a
link
to
to
show
you
how
you
can
watch
some
of
those
upcoming
meetings
and
it'll.
A
Let
you
know
all
of
the
citywide
committee
meetings.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
design
review
standards,
if
you're
interested
in
historic
preservation,
city,
council,
planning
and
zoning,
all
of
those
will
be
available
to
you
so
that
you
can
use
those.
And
then
I
also
sent
you
a
learning
opportunity.
A
So
I'll
probably
continue
to
do
that
so
that
those
are
available
to
you.
Many
of
those
are
free
and
they
are
very
valuable.
So
even
if
you
can
just
turn
them
on
in
the
back
continue
with
your
daily
work,
sometimes
that
information
is
really
valuable.
So
I'll
continue
to
forward
those
to
you
as
well,
so
that
you
have
that
as
an
opportunity
and
then
don
I'll.
Let
you
go
ahead
and
summarize
everything
and
we
do
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
are
skipping
the
december
meeting.
A
So
our
next
opportunity
to
be
back
with
you
will
be
in
january.
That'll,
give
us
a
chance
to
incorporate
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
from
both
the
city-wide
advisory
committee.
What
we
heard
at
the
kickoff
events,
we
did
some
additional
interviews
with
our
city,
council
members
and
then,
most
importantly,
the
the
public
survey.
That's
out,
that'll
continue
to
be
out
until
december
20th.
So
all
of
that
information
will
now
be
integrated
into
a
document
and
we'll
make
sure
that
you
receive
that
and
have
the
ability
to
comment
on
that
as
well.
F
Yeah,
my
only
final
comments
are
too.
Please
don't
be
shy.
Yeah,
especially
I.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
group
has
got
folks
who
are
not
planners
and
they're,
not
zoners,
and
they
care
enough
to
volunteer
for
this
and
be
agreed
to
serve,
and
I
don't
want
anybody
to
feel
lost.
So
if
you
are
struggling
just
ask
specific
questions
to
andrea,
I
can
get
involved
if
I
need
to
but
andrea
and
deanna,
and
the
communications
group
can
answer
an
awful
lot
of
questions,
but
don't
don't
be
unclear
and
not
asking
things.
F
There
is
no
such
thing
as
a
dumb
question.
If
you
don't
understand
it,
then
it's
not
a
dumb
question,
so
the
last
thing
I'd
say
is
I
would
I
would
urge
this
group.
A
decision
was
made
about
the
housing
bonus.
Not
our
decision,
not
my
decision,
not
a
decision
to
keep
it
away
from
thoughtful
consideration.
It
was
a
timing
decision,
I'm
sure
on
that
part.