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Monthly meeting for the City of Boise's Zoning Code Rewrite Citywide Advisory Committee. This meeting streams on YouTube, where the public can view it.
A
All
right,
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
people
in
attendance
and
we
have
several
people
online
virtually
as
well.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
kick
off
this
citywide
advisory
committee
meeting.
This
is
august
25th
and
we'd
like
to
welcome
you.
We
wanted
to
go
over
a
little
bit
about
the
module,
1
and
2
outreach.
A
A
Did
you
hear
about
the
events
because
we'd
like
to
start
thinking
about
how
we
can
best
prepare
for
our
module,
3
outreach,
which
will
be
happening
in
october,
so
it'll
be
really
important
for
that,
then
we
also
want
to
chat
with
you
a
little
bit
about
how
you
best
think
we
can
approach
module
three
in
the
efforts
to
achieve
our
goals,
of
including
everybody
in
the
process
appropriately
really
getting
great
products
at
the
end
that
support
our
city
goals
and
and
then,
of
course,
getting
those
desire
desired
results
that
we're
looking
for
as
a
city.
A
B
Thanks
andrea
as
just
a
few
reminders
to
please
speak
in
the
microphone
when
you
guys
are
here,
so
that
people
online
can
hear
us
more
clearly.
As
a
reminder,
this
is
lindsey
from
the
office
of
community
engagement,
so
I
saw
lots
your
faces
out
this
summer
at
our
last
round
of
outreach.
We
did
three
of
our
open
houses
and
then
we
also
did
a
digital
open
house.
B
We
had
about
170
folks
between
the
three
events,
pretty
much
a
packed
house
at
all
of
them,
which
was
great
to
see
very
engaged
overall,
pretty
positive,
I'm
not
gonna.
B
I
want
to
hear
what
you
guys
hear
first,
before
we
kind
of
give
our
overall
just
top
themes
that
we
kind
of
heard
and
then
several
email
comments
from
you,
as
well
as
other
members
of
the
community
as
well,
that
our
staff
has
been
reviewing
and
discussing
throughout
these
last
couple
weeks,
since
we
last
saw
you
so
I'm
going
to
open
it
up
to
you
guys
for
anything
that
you
guys
kind
of
heard
overall
themes
and
topics
before
we
kind
of
give
our
general
thoughts
so
far,.
C
There
we
go.
This
is
roberta.
I
heard
very
positive
things
about
the
community
meetings.
I
went
to
two
out
of
three.
C
I
think
people
liked
the
format
I
personally
liked
it,
because
you
did
an
overview
and
then
allowed
a
lot
more
one-on-one
on
conversation,
and
I
also
like
the
the
panels
that
you
head
up,
because
those
were
very
easy
to
understand
what
I
observed
there
and
then
also
in
talking
to
some
of
my
neighbors
and
such
is.
You
know,
there's
still
remains
concerned
about
parking
and
density,
and
it
depends
on
how
you
approach
it.
A
lot
of
my
cohorts
are
concerned
about.
C
C
C
That
transportation
is
something
that
we
don't
deal
with,
but
the
feedback
I've
gotten
personally
by
not
by
allowing
more
parking-
and
it
just
depends
on
where
you
are-
it's
not
going
to
encourage
doing
alternate
forms
of
transportation
like
biking,
so
I
think
that's
it
for
the
moment.
For
me,
thanks.
D
Well,
I
don't
have
anything.
This
is
byron.
I
don't
have
anything
constructed
to
say
necessarily
I'll
just
answer
the
question.
After
a
couple
of
the
outreach
efforts,
I
did
hear
from
people
talking
about
parking.
There
were
density
some
density
anxiety,
I
think
with
some
of
the
neighbors,
especially
in
the
northwest
part
of
town
and
some
concern
not
concerns,
but
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
module
three
will
roll
into
module
one
and
two.
So
that's
about
it.
E
D
I
think
they're,
I
think
the
remains
at
least
the
folks
that
I've
been
speaking
with.
There
remains
some
anxiety
about
not
knowing
what
neighborhood
density
looks
like.
I
think
we've
seen
some
examples
of
what
that
can
look
like
I've
produced
some
examples
myself,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
have
in
their
minds
apartment
buildings
or
very
dense
residential
structures,
dense
residential
structures
towering
over
their
homes,
that
that
kind
of
anxiety,
so
the
stuff
that
you
would
expect.
I
think.
F
F
There
was,
I
think,
some
question
about
density
in
r1
zones.
No,
nobody
was
that
right
opposed
to.
I
think
they
were
just
more
interested
in
what
that
meant.
You
know
what
I
think
going
further
to
explain
what
you
know
what
a
duplex
looks
like
what
it
can
look
like
instead
of
imagining
this
giant
apartment
complex.
G
Hello,
so
I
attended
two
of
the
meetings
the
city
held
and
that
there
was
great
turnout
and
there
was
something
that
I
hadn't
seen
necessarily
from
the
previous
meetings,
and
that
was.
G
A
real,
diverse
attendance
from
you
know
like
generational,
in
terms
of
younger
folks
attending,
I
saw
a
lot
of
younger
folks
attending
the
meeting
at
the
library
and
then
the
meeting
out
at
quail
ridge
tended
to
be
folks
a
little
older
and-
and
I
too
heard
not
just
there,
but
I
have
heard
in
talking
to
folks
in
the
neighborhood
parking.
G
You
know.
Density
is
another
concern,
and
I
guess
I
I
I
understand
the
concern,
but
I
also
have
to
remember
that
not
everyone
is
going
to
be
excited
about
any
change
that
the
city
proposes.
You
know
we
have
to
come
to
a
middle
ground.
H
This
is
brad.
Some
of
the
things
I
heard
were
concerns
about.
Of
course,
the
density
and
the
parking
you
know
on
even
density
deep
in
within
residents
might
create
too
much
traffic
past
residency
or
you
know
then
there's
the
argument
that
you
know.
Density
on
the
corridors
is
going
to
be
ugly
to
drive
by
so
like
esther
is
saying,
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
give
and
take
there
I
mean
it's
reality.
H
H
But
some
of
the
concerns
I
was
hearing
were
that
maybe
the
neighborhood
associations
were
being
drowned
out
because
they're
you
know
they're
the
voice
and
and
that
maybe
there
was
an
attack
on
ownership.
You
know
it's
being
discouraged
anymore,
so
that's
just
what
I
heard
thank
you.
I
B
C
E
I
brad
I'll
start,
maybe
I
just
think
you
know
it
was
probably
what
an
hour
and
a
half
or
so
discussion.
So
we
talked
about
every
kind
of
everything
that's
within
the
ordinance,
so
it
wasn't.
I
don't
think
it
was
one
thing
it
was
just
all
the
issues
around.
E
H
H
It's
hard
to
pick
out
one
particular
thing
for
sure,
but
you
know
just
like
all
the
movement
to
the
south
and
how
you
guys
are
really
putting
in
the
effort
to
you
know
slow
that
down,
keep
the
open
spaces
and
the
reality
that
there's
people
here
and
we
have
to
accommodate
them,
I'm
not
for
just
building
anywhere
just
to
accommodate.
But
you
know
the
reality.
H
Is
people
are
coming
here
and
you
guys
are
trying
to
maintain
the
way
of
life
here,
which
is
going
to
be
difficult
to
do,
and
that
is
a
reality.
C
I
just
wanted
to
thank
brett
and
tim
because
to
play
on
something
esther.
I
I
think
it
was
her
who
said
is
sometimes
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
reach
that
middle
ground,
and
so
that
gives
me
a
little
bit
more
hope
for
it.
So
thanks
a
little,
it
gives
me
a
little
bit
more
hope,
because
sometimes
you
know
this
is
a
pretty
long
process
and
everyone's
concerned
about
where
we're
going
to
wind
up.
H
Exactly
I
actually
got
well,
I
was
actually
encouraged
by
you
know
what
tim
was
saying.
You
know.
I
also
you
know,
I'm
I'm
this
community,
I'm
the
community,
I
mean
I'm,
not
nuts
and
bolts.
You
know
code,
so
as
a
community,
it's
encouraging
to
hear
that
you're
you're
working
both
sides
and
you're
really
trying
to
make
an
effort
to
keep
this
way
alive.
J
This
is
drew
just
to
reiterate.
One
of
the
points
that's
been
made
is
I've
been
hearing
how
valuable
it
would
be
to
have
some
graphics
and
illustrations
of
these
examples,
especially
as
it
relates
to
the
incentive
programs
running
a
couple
scenarios
in
the
code
showing
how
that
could
be
visually
represented.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
part
of
the
plan
as
we're
working
on
module
three,
but
each
zone
has
kind
of
that
one
example,
but
maybe
expanding
that.
H
Get
me
going
as
far
as
the
the
community
involvement
here
I
gotta
say
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
it.
You
know,
like
I
said,
I'm
probably
the
community.
You
know
hearing
that.
There's
170
people
at
a
meeting,
though
that's
a
small
representation
of
boise,
but
I
understand
that.
That's
that's,
probably
a
lot
of
people
for
one
of
these
gatherings,
but
I
didn't
really
hear
anything
about
it.
I
actually
looked
today
from
looking
through
the
agenda
that
we
were
going
to
talk
about
that
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
emails
to
see.
H
If
you
know
you
guys
had
mentioned
that
this
was
happening
and
I
don't
I
don't
get
on
the
boise
website.
You
know
and
I
I'm
sure
99
of
this
town
doesn't
either
so
we
need
to
make
a
bigger
effort.
If
we
really
want
comments
from
the
community,
we
need
to
make
a
bigger
effort
in
some
form
whether
it's
the
news
or
flyers,
or
you
know
whatever
to
get
this
community
involvement.
K
This
is
marissa
yeah.
I
would
probably
echo
what
brad
said
just
from
talking
to
people
out
in
southwest.
There
wasn't
didn't
seem
to
be
as
much
awareness
of
these
meetings
as
there
was
the
first
time
around,
and
that
might
be
because
of
the
time
of
year,
maybe
this
summer
the
other
ones
were
held.
I
don't
even
remember
when
they
were
they
were
so
long
ago,
and
perhaps
people
are.
K
Confused
this
is
a
second
remission
and
they
think
that
they've
already
heard
it
all
and
don't
realize
that,
but
I
think
you
know
sometimes
the
where
you
have
the
meetings
the
one
that
was
at
west
junior
high
was
definitely
closer
to
home
for
most
of
southwest
boise
and
even
though
the
library
at
hillcrest
is
our
closest
boise
library,
it's
a
long
ways,
and
so
that
that
may
have
been
an
issue
for
some
people
too.
But
overall
I
haven't
really
heard
a
lot
of
chatter
about
the
new
rezone.
A
M
Thank
you.
I
thought
that
the
meeting
that
I
attended
was
very
well
presented
and
I
really
appreciated
your
visuals
that
you
had
around
the
room,
plus
the
ability
for
participants
to
go
afterwards
and
have
a
one-on-one
conversation
with
city
representatives.
M
I
thought
that
was
a
really
great
design
and
I'm
wondering
perhaps
you're
going
to
talk
about
this,
but
I'm
wondering
whether
you
had
contact
with
the
neighborhood
association
presidents
after
the
module
2
was
revamped
and
whether
perhaps
that's
why
we
haven't
been
hearing
a
lot
from
those
associations
and
assuming,
if
that
were
the
case,
then
maybe
they
were
satisfied
that
they
were
listened
to,
because
I
I
personally
thought
that
you
did
a
great
job
of
incorporating
feedback.
B
Thanks
francis
and
I'll
just
give
a
quick
reply.
Yes,
I
was
not
present
for
the
meeting,
but
the
rest
of
the
team
was
that
did
a
virtual
meeting
with
the
neighborhood
association
leadership.
So
if
tim
or
anybody
else
wants
to
chime
in
on
that
conversation,
but
that
was
hap.
That
was,
after
the
three
open
houses
had
taken
place.
So
maybe
just
a
couple
weeks
ago,.
A
B
And
just
for
kind
of
a
refresh
too,
we
have
an
energizer
neighborhoods
program
manager
in
our
office
tiffany
and
she
handles
all
the
communication
directly
with
the
neighborhood
association.
So
it's
funneled
from
me
to
her
through
the
neighborhood
association,
so
she's
emailing
them,
as
I'm
sure.
A
lot
of
you
know
on
a
consistent
basis,
but
yeah
that's
all
kind
of
done
through
the
energize
program.
N
For
the
discussion
about
different
alternative
ways
to
obtain
more
public
feedback,
I
want
to
speak
up
for
the
methodology
of
randomized
high
quality
surveying
surveying,
which
minimizes
response
bias
and
also
minimizes
the
time
and
effort
commitment
of
the
people
whose
opinion
you
want.
N
B
Thanks,
patrick-
and
I
will
also
mention
that
kyle
patterson
who's
in
our
office
of
strategic
initiatives
had
an
intern
named
tara.
That
has
a
background
in
studying,
ethnography
and
anthropology,
and
she
went
and
did
some
targeted
outreach
for
us,
and
this
will
be
in
the
report.
B
She
hasn't
given
us
her
full
report,
yet
she
pretty
much
went
and
spent
all
of
her
time
at
laundromats
surveying
cost
burden,
renters
and
their
thought
process
and
their
thoughts
on
the
zoning
code
very
different
perspectives
than
what
we
hear
in
public
meetings,
which
is
what
we
want.
She
spent
over
30
hours,
took
a
translator
with
her
a
couple
times,
so
that's
kind
of
patrick's
point
of
like
you
know.
B
Public
meetings
is,
of
course,
a
part
of
the
process
that
will
always
go
through
the
city
government
and
then
also
some
of
that
other
targeted
outreach
to
hear
from
people
that
might
not
have
the
resources
or
the
time
or
availability
or
child
care
that
can
come
to
some
of
those
public
meetings,
so
that'll
be
in
the
full
outreach
report.
B
O
Hi
yeah,
so
I
wanted
to
address
a
little
bit
more
the
question
and
add
some
comments
about
the
neighborhood
association
meeting.
O
So
I
I
don't
know
who
is
involved
with
neighborhood
associations,
but
there
is
a
a
monthly
call
that
we
have
amongst
the
leadership
of
collaborative
visioning,
call
that
tim
and
and
tiffany
from
energized
boise
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
was
kind
enough
to
attend,
and
most
neighborhood
associations
have
identified
an
individual
on
their
boards
to
be
a
contact,
a
liaison
to
be
plugged
in
and
follow
up
with,
what's
happening
with
this
zoning
rewrite
and
provide
feedback
and
so
forth.
O
So
the
the
forum
was
for
the
the
leadership
and
those
folks
in
particular
to
provide
feedback
and
also
ask
very
specific
questions.
After
their
their
contacts
or
leaders
were
able
to
attend
a
a
city
meeting
so
and-
and
I
think
that
overall,
it
was
a
really
robust
conversation,
but
yeah
the
the
neighborhood
associations
were
were
well
represented
in
that,
and
then
we
would
like
to
do
that
again
on
a
quarterly
basis
and
and
especially
as
we
get
into
module
three.
C
I
know
kelly
is
very
involved.
This
is
roberta
kelly.
I
know
you're
very
involved
with
your
neighborhood
association
and
this
question
is
likely
not
directed
for
you
but
just
general.
Do
you
reach
out
to
your
citizens
and
your
neighborhood
association
and
is
there?
This
might
be
more
of
a
tiffany
question
because
I
don't
know-
and
I
attend
a
number
of
my
neighborhood
associations
and
there
has
not
been
a
lot
of.
O
O
So
I
mean
you
know
in
our
neighborhood
association
and-
and
I
also
know
in
the
western
neighborhood
association,
it
is
a
topic-
that's
part
of
our
regular
meetings
that
we
have
as
well
as
gatherings,
and
the
reason
why
I
mentioned
the
west
end
is
because
we've
been
working
closely
together
and
then
we
also
have
shared
events
together
so
like,
for
example,
at
the
concert
in
the
park
that
we
had
at
fairview
park.
O
You
know
that
was
something
that
we
were
answering
questions
about,
and
I
know
that
there
was
dialogue
about
it
as
far
as
like
you
know,
and
as
sharing
out
on
our
facebook
page
and
our
neighborhood
association
page,
you
know
that
updates
and
asking
for
for
feedback
on
the
surveys
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that's
the
type
of
communication
that
I
know
our
neighborhood
association
has
and-
and
I
think
that
several
of
the
associations
are
doing
something
fairly
similar.
O
I've
seen
something
you
know
the
the
north
end
of
neighborhood
associate
nina's
done
that
sort
of
thing
as
well,
but
nothing
more
formal
than
that.
C
And
I
best
clarify
that
I
do
appreciate
my
neighborhood
association
because
it
is
a
volunteer
group.
But
and
again
this
is
roberta
back
to
some
of
the
communication
topics
and
I
I
hope
we
can
continue.
That
is
it's
a
big
responsibility
for
a
neighborhood
association
when
they
have
a
lot
of
things
on
their
plate,
and
you
know
when
the
others
were
speaking.
C
C
K
This
is
marissa,
I
am
the
president
of
the
southwest
data
county
alliance,
neighborhood
association
and,
I
would
say,
we're
fairly
good
about
on
social
media
posting
things
sharing
things
from
the
city.
Just
saying
hey
this
is
happening.
K
I
don't
usually
want
people's
comments
to
come
back
to
me,
because
then,
whether
it's
zoning
or
developments
or
anything
because
then
I
feel
responsible
to
send
those
in
to
the
person
they
need
to
go
to.
So
I
always
tell
people
this
is
who
you
need
to
send
that
to
not
to
your
neighborhood
association.
K
So
I
don't
get
a
lot
of
feedback
other
than
like
when
I
see
people
out
at
neighborhood
meetings
or
something
talking
to
them,
and
we
do
have
a
newsletter
that
goes
out
sporadically.
When
I
have
time
to
write
it.
You
know
we
we
talk,
we've
had
it
on
our
agenda.
K
I
think
every
time
we
meet
monthly.
So
we
have
it
on
our
agenda
to
talk
about
at
a
board
meeting,
but
our
board
meetings
it.
It
depends
on.
What's
going
on
in
the
neighborhood
like
sometimes
it's
just
the
board
there.
Sometimes
there's
15
people
there,
sometimes
there's
more.
It
depends
on
what's
controversial
and
what's
happening
so
it
can
be.
I
think,
relying
on
the
neighborhood
association
to
let
the
public
know
is
not
probably
best
practice.
K
G
Yes,
so
this
is
esther
and
I
would
agree
with
marissa
so
on
the
fact
that
relying
on
the
neighborhood
association
to
get
the
word
out
as
should
not
be
used
as
best
practice.
It
is
just
one
of
a
handful
of
tools
that
the
city
should
use
to
engage
community
members.
G
I
sit
on
the
kollster,
neighborhood
association
board
and
have
off
and
on
since
2004,
and
we
do
and
enduring
throughout
this
time
we
have
sent
out
emails,
letting
folks
know
about
their
opportunity
to
comment
and
at
all
times
about
their
opportunity
to
keep
up
to
date
and
we
direct
them
to
the
city's
rezone
page.
But
our
list
serve
is
not
a
true
representation.
G
It
doesn't
include
all
of
our
residents,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
recently
decided
to
do-
which
I
don't
think
is
I'm
not
aware
at
the
moment
of
any
other
neighborhood
that
association.
That's
done
this,
but
we
have
essentially
divided
our
very
large
neighborhood
into
smaller
sections
and
then
we're
doing
targeted
outreach
activities
and
bringing
folks
in
or
inviting
folks
in
for
an
evening
meeting
where
we
as
a
board
are
listening
to
any
concerns
that
they
have
and
we're
steering
away
from
directing
the
conversation.
G
It
is
more
of
a
listening
session
and
I
will
tell
you
that
even
at
that
you
know,
we've
had
two
so
far,
one
where
we
sent
out
oh
at
least
500
postcards
and
we
had
12
people
show
up
and
the
second
one
about
about.
G
Maybe
it
was,
I
don't
know
it's
less
than
a
thousand
postcards
that
were
sent
it
to
every
household
and
we
had
nine
folks.
So
I
mean
we're
super
excited
about
getting
folks
to
the
table.
But
while
we
can
get
the
word
out,
we
have
not
managed
to
reach
even
50
of
our
neighborhood.
A
And
bin
zamzao
has
a
chat
item
out
there.
It
says
asking
if
he's
curious,
if
the
city
has
received
much
input
from
the
mixed-use
zones
from
our
outreach,
we
have
heard
quite
a
bit
about
mixed
use.
People
seem
to
be
very
excited
to
have
opportunities
for
retail
dining
office
near
their
homes.
A
People
seem
to
be
very
excited
about
walkability
being
able
to
ride
their
bike
and
having
somewhere
nearby
that
they
don't
have
to
get
into
the
car
and
traverse
across
the
city
to
get
to
those
destinations.
So
we've
heard
really
positive
things.
In
regard
to
that,
I
think
the
one
thing
that
I
have
heard
come
up
time
and
time
again
is
when
we
are
talking
about
some
of
those
mixed-use
zones.
If
we
have
those
along
the
corridors,
how
will
they
transition
into
those
neighborhoods
and
which
is
an
extremely
reasonable
response?
A
So
we
have
been
directing
them
to
look
at
those
neighborhood
transition
standards
to
make
sure
that
they
feel
that
those
are
right.
We've
also
explained
that
r2
buffer,
that
we
would
include
adjacent
to
the
m3
zones
so
that
we
can
have
a
natural
transition
and
height
as
well.
So
those
are
some
of
the
items
that
I've
heard.
I
don't
know
if
others
would
like
to
elaborate
or
talk
about
what
they've
heard
in
that
regard.
P
Andrea,
I
would
also
add-
and
this
was
part
of
our
conversation
I
believe
last
month
we
heard
some
comments
of
did
for
the
mx3
zones.
Do
we
want
to
expand
those?
We?
We
heard
a
lot
of
good
feedback
about
directing
the
development
where
we
have
investment
and
then
just
then
everyone
coming
up
with
well.
We've
invested
here.
We've
invested
here.
So
just
some
more
comments
on
those.
That's
specifically
about
mx3.
B
B
The
tone
was
definitely
different
at
these
last
couple
meetings
than
our
last
round
of
outreach,
which
was
nice
to
hear
as
we've
gone
back
out
to
the
community,
the
mx-3
people
were
excited
about
the
mx2,
making
sure
that
was
continuing
to
be
pedestrian-friendly.
B
A
couple
disappointments
in
the
reemergence
of
r1a.
Again
lots
of
great
comments
we'll
do
the
full
outreach
report
that
will
be
available
for
your
guys's
next
meeting,
but
that
takes
you
know
a
compilation
of
written
comments.
In-Person
comments
online
comments
that
we've
received
from
everyone.
So
I
appreciate
all
your
input.
I
know
a
lot
of
you
have
sent
us
lengthy
emails
with
a
lot
of
great
comments
as
well.
So
we
appreciate
that
I'll.
Take
it
over
to
our
next
line
item.
P
So
I'll
start
this,
but
I
think
anyone
from
our
team
can
go
so
as
a
reminder
when
we
did
the
module
one
and
two
revisions,
we
really
wanted
to
focus
on
some
high
level
goals
and
then
being
able
to
adjust
the
zoning
code
according
to
those
goals,
so
that
when
we
made
a
change
to
the
code,
we
were
able
to
say
does
this
help
move
this
goal
forward
so
having
a
variety
of
neighborhoods?
Does
the
change
that
we're
proposing
help
strengthen
that?
P
Does
the
zoning
code
districts
help
direct
development
where
we
have
planned
public
investment
and
so
on
so
just
to
center
us
on
the
city
that
we're
creating
these?
Were
our
goals
and
really
touched
on
module
one
and
module
two,
which
are
the
zone,
districts
and
development
standards,
as
we
all
know,
we're
moving
now
into
module
three,
which
is
process,
and
we
wanted
to
kind
of
take
a
similar
approach.
Thinking
about
when
we
think
about
our
process.
P
What
are
the
goals
that
we
want
to
move
forward
with
that
process,
and
really
our
conversation
today
is:
are
these
our
goals?
So
will
our
process,
and
so
these
are
some
of
the
ones
that
we've
brainstormed,
but
we
want
to
hear
your
reactions
to
them.
Are
we
missing
any?
Are
there
more
to
add
when
we're
thinking
about
our
process,
so
our
process
will
reinforce
our
desired
outcomes
right.
We
want
something
as
you
get
planning
and
zoning
approval,
to
help
achieve
what
we're
trying,
what
we
set
out
to
achieve
in
modules,
one
and
two
right.
P
We
want
a
process
that
helps
us,
have
a
variety
of
neighborhoods
that
helps
us
direct
development
where
there's
investment,
and
that
gives
us
sustainable
and
affordable
housing
now,
as
well
as
manages
growth
on
the
edge
of
the
city.
So
if
we
have
something
in
our
own
process,
that's
doing
the
opposite
of
that.
We
want
to
revise
it
or
reimagine
it
as
well
as
we
want
to
have
an
approval
process
that
results
in
excellent
projects.
P
I
think
everyone
in
the
city
of
boise
wants
to
see
good
things
built
and
bad
things
not
built,
and
so
how
can
we
set
up
a
process
that
will
result
in
that
as
well?
We've
heard
a
lot
from
our
community
that
we
they
want
to
be
involved
to
make
sure
those
projects
meet
those
desired
outcomes.
So
how
can
we
do
it
in
a
way
that's
meaningful
in
the
process,
so
these
are
just
some
of
them
and
really,
I
think,
the
next
45
minutes
or
so
is:
let's
talk
about
them?
P
Q
Sure
I
mean
I,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
much
to
add
to
it
deanna
this
is
lena,
but
I
guess
just
kind
of
explaining
sort
of
our
our
process
behind
coming
up
with
this
very
much
a
draft
conceptual
framework
you
know.
Obviously
these
are
very
broad
statements.
Right,
I
mean
have
an
approval
process
that
results
in
excellent
projects.
You
can
fit
a
lot
into
that
statement,
but
the
intention
is
not
to
be
so
so
vague
that
it
doesn't
mean
anything.
Q
So
you
know,
one
of
the
things
we
hear
from
folks
is
a
desire
for
just
making
our
tools
easier
right.
A
code
is
a
very
difficult
document.
It's
it's
legal
and
heavy
on
a
lot
of
language
that
might
not
be
familiar
to
people.
So
sometimes
we
can't
always
simplify
things
as
much
as
we
would
like
to
within
the
code
itself.
But
what
kinds
of
tools
might
we
come
up
with?
That
will
help
to
get
that
clarification
out
into
the
community
and
how
people
use
it.
F
One
thing
I
think
I
might
have
brought
up
in
the
past
meeting
was
we
were
talking
about
activity
corridors
and
so
one
of
the
goals
that
I
see
here,
direct
development
where
there's
planned
public
investment
is
there
a
way
to
also
direct
development
towards
you
know
private
investment,
whether
that's
you
know
apartments
or
places
that
are
being
developed,
I
don't
know
just
thrown
around
there.
F
F
You
know
these
are
the
transit
lines
right.
These
are
the
places
where
the
public
has
invested
money.
So
we
want
these
to
be
our
activity
centers.
F
I
think
there
are
also
places
that
developers
have
decided
that
this
is
a
corridor
that
we
want
to.
You
know,
increase
density
on,
put
money
into,
and
so
I'm
starting
to
identify
those
areas
as
well,
because
eventually
they're
going
to
get
to
that
point
where
it's
going
to
be
public
investment,
you're.
F
R
F
So
I
don't
have
any
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
did
talk
to
one
he's,
an
architect
as
well,
and
he
had
mentioned
overland
corridor,
which
I
think
came
up
with
in
the
past
meeting,
but
I
don't
have
any
probably
off
the
top
my
head,
that
didn't
mean
that
so.
C
T
This
is
jessica.
I
was
just
noting
that
that
there's
there's
process
in
the
code
in
module
three
of
like
was
our
process
for
plan
review
and
approvals
and
appeals
and
noticing,
and
but
there's
also,
these,
these
other
processes
that
we
create
as
far
as
how
the
department
works
and
in
what's
the
the
sequence
of
events
that
happen
to
amend
the
code
or
to
assess
like
what
else
are
we
missing
that
we
we
need
to
do
so?
Are
there
guidelines?
T
Are
there
policies
it's
kind
of
like
a
different
process
outside
of
the
process
of
module
three,
but
we
have
heard
that
in
in
the
module
one
and
module
two
outreach
of,
like
the
you
know,
the
logic
behind
the
mixed-use
zones
and
density
where
investment's
been
made.
But
what
you're
getting
at
is
like
when
more
investment
is,
is
made,
whether
it's
public
or
private.
T
P
And
this
is
deanna,
I
think
we
so
so
one
of
and
module
three
is
a
lot
of
like
nitty
gritty
legal
process.
So
how
do
you
like?
Just
because
that
appeals
and
whatnot,
but
one
of
the
things
we
could
think
about,
is
in
a
rezone
there'll,
be
findings
or
legal
findings
to
rezone
a
property
to
something
and
that
could
be
reevaluating
like?
I
can't
even
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
R
Unrelated
this
is
shellan,
and
I
don't
know
I
think,
module
three
is
the
place
for
the
discussion
and
I'll
just
say
it
really.
Frankly,
because
I
don't
know
how
else
to
say
it.
But
if
I
keep
you
know,
we
are
always
talking
about
affordability
and
folks
wanting
affordable
housing
through
the
zoning
code
through
our
policies
and
like
I
would
say
that
you
know,
zoning
is
like
one
of
many
many
many
ways
to
help
create
affordability,
and
it
is
certainly
not
the
only
and
cannot
be
the
only.
L
J
I
was
I'm
a
comment,
I
think
it's
a
good
segue
from
that
I
on
this
slide.
I
think
this
is
drew.
Sorry,
I
think
the
challenge
I
see
it's
an
exciting
challenge
is
creating
a
community.
J
J
R
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
outreach,
but
you
know
I
I'm
not
like.
I
don't
lead
by
consensus.
It's
like
not.
I
don't
do
that.
It's
not
my
forte,
it's
not
my
strengths,
so
I
struggle
with
it
because
I
think
that
everybody
needs
to
have
a
voice
and
then
you
need
to
make
a
decision
and
the
decision
is
not
going
to
not.
Everybody
is
going
to
speak
right,
so
we've
talked
about
this,
but
that
idea
of
a
community
creating
an
excellent
project
or
creating
you
know
the
checklist
of
things.
Awesome
idea.
R
Do
it
for
a
little
while
and
then
let
leadership
figure
it
out
or
let
the
people
that
we
pay
a
bunch
of
money
figure
it
out,
because
you
know
we
have
a
really
great
staff.
We
have
a
really
great
consultant
on
board
and
they've
told
us
at
least
the
consultant
has
told
us
time
and
time
again,
we've
done
more
outreach
than
almost
any
of
the
other
communities.
R
They've
worked
in
great
boise
deserves
it
awesome,
but
like
you
got
to
cut
it
and
go
and
so
that
excellent
project
give
the
community
time
to
make
a
checklist,
and
then
you
guys
figure
it
out.
You
guys,
you
know,
help
us.
We
don't
we're,
not
professionals
all
of
us
here.
A
How
is
that
going
to
tie
in
with
module
one
and
two-
and
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
that-
is
you
know
we
want
to
create
these
objective
checklists
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
desired
results
that
we're
looking
for
and
so
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
those
in
your
use,
specific
standards
you're
going
to
see
those
come
about
in
your
setbacks
and
your
building
height
and
all
of
those
design
standards
that
we've
spent
so
much
time
working
on
and
then
we
decide.
Okay.
Is
that
checklist
sufficient?
A
And
is
it
good
enough
that
we
know
that
the
community
is
going
to
be
supportive
of
that
and
we're
achieving
our
goals
that
something
should
be
then
administrative
or
what
is
the
threshold
for
something
to
divert
and
to
take
a
different
path
where
the
additional
input
might
be
needed
and
our
local
land
use
planning
act?
You
know
that's
going
to
describe
you
know
in
certain
cases
where
we
do
have
to
have
public
hearings.
So
that's
going
to
be
your
conditional
use
permits
your
annexations,
your
rezones,
your
puds,
those
things.
A
You
know
those
have
to
go
to
a
public
hearing
and
that
certainly
is
not
optional,
but
those
other
things
making
sure
that
we've
got
that
checklist.
So
it's
right
and
we're
really
getting
good
quality
products
that
are
lending
itself
to
everything,
the
city
city's
trying
to
do
so,
whether
it's
tying
into
our
sustainability
goals,
our
you
know
our
water
sustainability,
our
whatever
we're
looking
for
that
we're.
We
have
the
ability
to
achieve
it
through
that
checklist.
So
this
is
really
good.
R
Lord
okay,
excuse
me:
this
is
an
example
of
a
community
that
I
work
in
that
has
a
checklist
of
ministerial
what
a
ministerial
process
entails
and
it's
a
different
community,
so
it
the
items
in
the
checklist.
Don't
really
matter
right,
I
would
say
you
know
we
create
our
own
checklist,
but
developer
looks
at
that
checklist
and
says
if
I
and
it's
only
for
residential
and
it
has
a
threshold
of
unit
count,
and
it
says
if
I'm
building
under
x
amount
of
units,
I
will
be
ministerial
if
I
meet
these
10
things.
R
If
I
want
a
variance
which
I
know
is
not
a
word,
we
can
use
in
the
state.
But
if
I
want
to
what
do
you,
what
do
we
use
exception?
Do
we
use
exception
here?
What
do
we
have
waiver?
Well,
you
know
what
I
mean.
If
we
want
one
of
those
things,
then
we
go
to
directors,
we
go
to
a
director's
hearing,
and
so
once
a
week
I
think
the
directors
of
you
know
public
works
all
the
departments.
That
would
normally
comment
on
plans
meet
and
it's
a
public
hearing
right.
R
So
if
you
want
a
small
variance
to
the
ministerial
process,
you
have
a
you
get
to
go
to
a
public
hearing
at
the
director's
level,
but
those
are
still
minor
variances.
So,
yes,
people
will
show
up
on
occasion,
but
it's
not
as
large
or
as
political
as
perhaps
like
a
planning
and
zoning
or
a
city
council
meeting.
And
then,
if
you,
then
you
know,
if
you're
not
meeting
the
ministerial
process,
then
you
go
through.
S
Can
can
you
hear
me
yes
great,
so
I
wanted
to
dovetail
a
bit
on
what
sheldon
was
saying.
So
a
couple
of
the
things
that
I
think
we
have
to
bear
in
mind
with
process
is
that
some
of
these
bullet
points
that
we
have
listed
are
will
end
up
with
a
natural
tension
between
them.
So
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
say
that
I've
heard
pretty
consistently
is
you
know
there
is
a
a
fair
amount
of
skepticism
toward
you
know
large
developers
or
institutional
developers
or
that
type
of
thing
right.
S
Well,
the
more
onerous
your
process
is,
the
more
likely
you
are
to
have
those
people
be
the
ones
to
develop
your
city,
because
those
are
the
only
ones
that
can
afford
it
that
can
that
can
lay
out
the
time
the
money
they
can
hire
the
consultants
that
can
fight
it.
They
can
be
in
the
trenches
for
it.
So
if
you
really
do
want
to
see
projects
done
by
local
and
regional
and
smaller
developers,
you
have
to
have
a
process
that
is
transparent.
S
That
is
fast,
relatively,
and
that
is
affordable
and
doesn't
you
know,
require
them
to
go
out
and
hire
a
bevy
of
attorneys
to
complete
their
case.
The
second
thing
that
we've
talked
about
is
that
we
are
really
wanting
consistent
outcomes
that
build
trust
with
the
city,
and
we
want
transparency
in
the
process
and
the
more
as
I
think
this
is
what
sheldon
was
getting
to
you
know
the
more
doubt
there
is
in
their
process
the
more
time
it
takes.
S
The
more
we
deviate
from
what
we
have
in
the
code,
the
less
trust
there
will
be,
which
is
exactly
what
got
us
here
in
the
first
place,
and
the
third
is
that
if
we
really
do
want
to
manage
growth
on
the
edges
of
the
city,
allowing
for
significant
public
input
at
many
stages
of
the
process
and
drawing
out
that
process
is
going
to
push
greenfield's
development
and
the
reason
why
it
pushes
greenfield's
development
is
because
people
will
developers
will
avoid
neighborhoods
where
they
think
that
there
is
going
to
be
substantial
pushback.
S
S
There's
give
and
take
on
all
of
that
right
and
it's
not
you
know
an
all
or
nothing
approach,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
have
a
good
checklist,
like
shell
had
said,
and
a
good
set
of
priorities
that
are
in
line
with
with
the
outcomes
that
we
want
to
see
not
just
something
that
sounds
great
on
paper.
It
has
to
produce
the
right
outcome.
K
This
is
marissa.
I
just
had
a
little
comment
about
the
planned
public
investment
or
infrastructure.
You
know
I
live
on.
I
live
in
the
area
of
impact,
I'm
right
on
city
limits.
K
I
can
put
my
hand
across
the
fence
and
I'm
in
the
city,
so
I
look
at
things
through
kind
of
that
lens
of
being
away
from
really
good
infrastructure,
but
I
think
one
of
the
issues
that
neighbors
in
southwest
and
northwest
have
in
other
areas
of
the
city
that
are
on
the
fringes,
is
that
we
get
little
islands
of
good
infrastructure,
and
so
developers
may
focus
on
like
this
intersection
here
and
it's
awesome
at
that
intersection.
But
everything
from
that
intersection
to
the
city
is
just
like
non-existent
or
just
really.
K
Crappy
and
people
get
angry
about
that
because
you
know
they
want,
they
see
the
city
or
I
think
they
feel
like
the
city
is
just
kind
of
forgetting
about
them
and
it's
not
just
the
city.
K
K
The
stuff
in
between
has
to
meet
a
certain
threshold
before
we
continue
to
to
just
push
out
into
the
area
of
impact
or
even
just
develop
out
on
the
far
reaches
of
the
city,
because
you
know,
like
I
said
like
I,
I
have
biked
in
here
from
the
area
of
impact
before
and
today
I
drove
halfway
in
because
I
didn't
want
to
deal
with
the
stuff
that
was
in
between.
D
This
is
byron
again.
I
want
to
talk
about
something
that
hillary
was
I'm
saying
earlier.
You
know
one
of
the
really
strong
pathways
to
affordability.
D
We've
talked
about
since
this
process
began
was
the
notion
that
one
of
our
goals
of
the
code
rewrite
process
was
to
make
it
as
easily
navigated
and
as
egalitarian
as
possible,
something
that
the
average
homeowner
could
navigate
on
their
own
and
really
trying
to
take
advantage
of
one
of
those
really
strong
pathways
to
affordability
in
housing,
which
is
where
homeowners,
wealth,
building
endeavors
overlap,
people's
need
for
housing
and
when
some
of
us
were
fighting
so
hard
for
a
variety
of
housing
types
to
be
included
as
allowed
uses
in
module
two,
especially
and
allowing
some
of
those
housing
types
that
we
just
haven't
built
in
boise
for
a
long
time,
because
they
were
illegal.
D
I'm
really
excited
about
the
way
that
we
can
take
what
we've
done
in
module,
1
and
2
and
decide
how
we
can
kind
of
open
those
pathways
in
module.
3
utilizing
this
notion
of
allowed
use
all
of
the
housing
types
that
we're
going
to
be
putting
into
the
new
code
as
allowed
uses
that
weren't
allowed
before
has
tremendous
potential.
In
my
opinion,.
O
Hi
yeah,
I
just
I
wanted
to
what
byron
just
said,
sort
of
piggybacked
really
well
in
to
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
which
is
the
the
neighborhood
association
plans.
You
know,
I
think
that
that's
one
way
that
the
neighborhood
associations
can
have
a
very
strong
voice
at
the
type
of
development
and
so
forth
that
we
have
in
our
neighborhoods-
and
I
think
you
know
our
neighborhood
association
in
particular,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Talking
about
you
know,
missing
middle
middle
development.
O
You
know
everything
we're
in
this
well-established
neighborhood,
so
any
type
of
development
would
be,
you
know
a
reuse
of
a
building
or
you
know
redevelopment
of
a
property,
and
so
we
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
defining
what
that
would
look
like
and
how
that
would
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
and
so
having
that
be
something
as
part
of
the
consideration
in
the
process.
O
You
know
in
the
approval
process
of
new
projects
in
the
neighborhood,
I
think,
is
one
way
that
neighborhood
associations
can
have
a
really
strong
voice
and
also
you
know,
ease
some
of
the
anxiety
that
the
neighbors
have.
You
know
there
was
a
particular
project
that
you
know
was
spot
zoned
and
was
something
completely
different
than
than
what
was
within
our
plan.
O
And
so
that's
what
causes
a
lack
of
trust
and
some
frustration.
And
so
you
know,
I
think,
having
real
teeth
in
those
plans
and
and
a
commitment
that
you
know
once
the
neighborhood
plan
is,
is
written
and
and
the
city's
agreed
to
it
that
we
stick
with
it.
K
This
is
marissa
again
I'd
agree
with
that.
We
we
have
a
neighborhood
plan
from
like
the
early
90s.
I
think
it
was
written
on
a
typewriter
and
website.
If
you
want
to
take
a
look
at
it,
it
was
not
followed
at
all,
but
that's
one
of
the
huge
trust
issues
that
communities
have
with
the
city
is
that
those
take
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
effort
on
the
part
of
the
neighbors.
You
have
to
get
a
grant
from
the
city.
You
know
30
50
000,
whatever
it
is,
you
have
to
hire
a
consultant.
K
You
have
to
go
through
this
whole
process
and
then
most
of
the
time
it's
not
well,
it's
not
code,
it's
a
guidance
and
most
of
the
time
it's
not
reinforced
by
the
city,
council
or
city
or
whoever.
So
anyhow,
my
our
our
neighborhood
plan
from
the
90s
we've
been
trying
to
get
that
I've
been
trying
to
get
that
redone
for
several
years
now
and
I
bring
it
up
every
time
we
talk
about
what
energize
grant
we're
going
to
send
in
and
I
my
board
will
not
vote
for
it
because
they
are.
K
You
know
fiscally
conservative
people
and
they're
like
why
would
we
spend
50
000
of
taxpayer
money
for
a
plan
that
the
city's
not
going
to
care
about?
And
I
I
don't
have
any
argument
against
that.
It's
like
well
yeah,
you're,
right
but
it'd
be
really
nice
to
have
a
new
plan.
So
at
least
we
could
say
they
weren't
following
it.
K
I
don't
know
what
the
argument
is
for
that,
but
I
think
if
we
could
somehow
incorporate
those
neighborhood
plans
with
a
little
more
force,
perhaps
there's
I
don't
think
they're
all
that
different
from
each
other.
I
haven't
looked
at
a
lot
of
them.
I
looked
at
a
couple,
but
a
lot
of
them
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
the
same
elements
and
if
at
least
those
things
were
reinforced
in
the
code,
it
would
help.
K
R
K
I
think
you
know
each
neighborhood
kind
of
has
their
own
charm,
and
so
I
think
it
probably
started
out
as
a
way
just
to
reinforce
like
what
makes
each
neighborhood
unique,
but
when
they're
not
code,
they're
not
enforceable,
and
even
if
a
development
goes
against
something
in
a
neighborhood
plan,
it's
it
doesn't
matter,
because
that's
not
the
law,
so
they've.
Really.
K
R
R
And
so
that's
where
I'm
going,
if
you're
giving
folks,
if
you're,
giving
a
neighborhood
this
sense
of
empowerment-
and
you
know-
I
think
we
did
it
at
for
some
homeless,
housing
stuff-
that's
come
up
recently
and
I'd
say
we
like
as
a
big
royal
we
but
like.
We
give
folks
the
idea
that
their
voice
matters
and
that
their
neighborhood
plan
matters
and
that
their
testimony
matters,
but
really
it's
about
the
law
or
really
it's
about
the
code,
and
so
it's
sort
of
a
false
sense
of
like.
K
Right
and
I
get
that
for
the
neighborhood
plan-
I
just
I
mean
that's
why
my
my
board
won't
they're
like
it's
a
waste
of
our
time,
but
we
don't
want
to
spend
money
and
we
don't
want
to
put
the
effort
into
something
like
that.
I
think
there's
a
difference
between
the
neighborhood
plan
and
testimony,
though,
because
I'm.
K
But
yeah,
I
think
neighborhood
complaints
could
be
really
great
they're.
Just
it's
just
like
a
pretty
package
of
what
you
wish
you
had
and
nobody
has
to
follow
it
well.
R
K
Does
and
I've
seen
you
know,
people
get
up
here
and
present
their
neighborhood
plan
say
this
doesn't
fit
anything
and
and
they're
just
disregarded,
and
it's
it's
sad.
I
think
it's
really
sad,
because
that
there
was
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
put
into
that
and
people
do
care
about
it.
Just
like
they
care
about
boise
blueprint.
K
But
again,
that's
not
code.
So.
P
And
if
I
could
speak
to
just
I,
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
point
to
pin
on
that
has
been
a
struggle
for
neighborhood
planning
recently.
But
I
would
say
if
you
look
at
more
modern
neighborhood
plans,
they're
not
supposed
to
be
an
exclusive
future
land
use
plan.
It
is
not
only
in
land
use
plan.
The
northwest
neighborhood
plan
has
goals
around
community
engagement
around
safety
and
things
outside
of
just
how
we
control
the
development
process
and
same
with
I
know
the
west
downtown
neighborhood
plan.
P
Can
I
use
my
control
to
do
this,
but
it
identifies
all
sorts
of
different
actions
that
are
supposed
to
be
more
of
a
civics
self-empowerment
of
the
neighborhood
based
in
place
making
and
many
other
opportunities,
but
it
does
get
a
rift
because
in
the
90s
in
neighborhood
planning
that
was
very
much
an
effort
of
planning
in
the
90s
was
this
kind
of
local
control
of
it
and
it's
just
evolved
and
now
the
code
it
does
need
to
all
kind
of
line
up
in
a
way.
That's
effective
and
transparent.
K
Yeah,
I
think
the
one
this
is
marissa.
I
think
the
one
that
stuck
out
to
me
the
most
was
like
the
you
stick.
I
don't
think
it's
the
neighborhood
association,
but
it's
like
the
little
historic
district
in
music
and
there
was
something
that
was
approved
there.
That
just
was
not
according
to
their
neighborhood
plan
like
that,
should
never
have
happened,
but
and-
and
they
worked
really
hard
on
trying
to
show
the
importance
of
their
plan,
but
yeah
it
wasn't
code.
So
it
met
the
code.
A
Yeah-
and
this
is
a
really
good
conversation
as
deanna
had
mentioned-
you
know,
neighborhood
plans
have
evolved
so
when
they
first
started,
it
was
a
group
of
neighbors
that
got
together
and
they
wrote
it
themselves
and
oftentimes.
Those
were
efforts
so
that
they
could
thwart
off
development
that
might
happen
in
their
area
or
preclude
what
could
be
included
in
their
neighborhood
or
along
their
corridors
and
then
over
time,
they've
gotten
more
standardized.
So,
as
you
re,
you
know,
read
them
much
newer
ones.
You
know
you
will
see
similarities.
A
You'll
you'll
see
some
of
those
self-empowering
things
that
you
know
it
encourages
them
to
get
a
neighborhood
group
to
talk
about
traffic
safety
and
what
they
can
do,
making
sure
that
they
have
volunteers,
that
they
can
do
all
of
those
things.
But
it's
something
that
we
need
to
talk
about
in
the
city
as
far
as
neighborhood
planning
goes.
But
when
we
talk
about
module
3,
we
need
to
talk
about.
You
know
what
role
will
the
neighborhoods
have
that
do?
Neighborhood
associations
have
you
know
x,
amount
of
minutes
to
talk
at
public
hearings.
A
How
does
noticing
happen?
Is
the
city
putting
onus
on
a
neighborhood
association
to
disseminate
information
that
you
know
not
all
neighborhood
associations?
Do
it
the
same?
Not
all
neighborhood
have
have
the
reach
that
they
need.
As
esther
said.
Not
all
neighborhoods
have
you
know
a
full
list
of
individuals
that
live
there.
Not
always
are
those
people
that
are
on
the
list,
representative
of
the
people
that
actually
live
and
recreate
and
work
in
those
areas.
So
we
just
need
to
figure
out
exactly
you
know,
who's
reviewing
those
applications.
A
What
that
process
looks
like
what
the
checklist
looks
like
you
know
who
can
appeal
and
really
how
people
are
participating
in
the
process?
What
types
of
notification
are
appropriate,
as
we
move
through
to
make
sure
that
people
feel
involved
that
we
haven't
given
them
a
false
sense
of,
because
you
don't
like
something
we
can't
vote
on,
that
we
have
the
actual
code
that
we
have
to
rely
on
heavily
and
so
that
checklist
that
we're
talking
about
becomes
even
more
important.
A
F
I
think
andrew
started
to
hit
on
something
there
is
the
process
of
you
know:
neighbor
notifications
and
applications
and
rezones
and
cps.
Is
that
a
way
to
start
tying
in
you
know
neighborhood
associations?
I
we
just
did
one
for
a
project
and
I
don't
I
didn't
read
every
single
address,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
neighborhood
association
was
listed
on
on
the
address
list,
but
we
actually
we
reached
out
to
them
as
well,
because
we
figured
it'd,
be
you
know
in
good
faith.
That
being
said,
I
don't
think
they
showed
up.
F
I
think
that
three
people
total
show
up
for
this
particular
project.
So
you
know,
I
wonder
if,
if
that
is
maybe
something
we
can
look
at
as
the
noticing
process,
without
creating
another
step,
another
thing
that
we
then
have
to
go
through
for
an
application.
K
K
There's
only
things
that
might
have
a
much
bigger
effect
on
the
community
and
keep
in
mind
like
swaka
is
something
like
12
square
miles.
It's
enormous
and
there's
some
neighborhood
associations
that
are
just
a
couple
of
blocks,
so
everybody
in
that
n
a
might
already
be
getting
noticed
just
because
they're
within
the
boundary,
but
I
mean
I
appreciate
no
what's
going
on,
I
I
know
every
year
when
the
roadside
produced
dan
gets
his
license
renewed.
I
don't
know
some
of
it's
a
little
weird,
but
it's
helpful.
J
This
is
drew
on
this
topic
of
neighborhoods.
I
I
think
that,
maybe
to
me,
the
area
to
an
empowered,
neighborhood
association
is
how
they
shape
blueprint.
Boise
I
mean
blueprint
is
already
divided
now
into
and
often
cases
broader
geographic
areas
that
it's
not
neighborhood
specific
but
there's
a
sense
of
empowerment
there.
If
the
work
that
the
neighborhood
is
doing
is
folded
in
the
blueprint
in
a
way
because
blueprint
is
often
referenced
for
some
of
these
bigger
applications
that
require
these
bigger
approvals.
J
We
try
to
distance
ourselves
from
being
any
type
of
enforcement
authority
or
decision
making
authority.
I
mean
we
don't
have
directors
and
officers
insurance,
for
example,
and
you
put
yourself
at
risk
when
you
empower
yourself
too
much.
So
I
think
blueprint
creates
a
really
good
mechanism
to
fold
in
the
energy.
These
neighborhood
associations
often
bring.
O
Oh,
that's,
okay,
yeah
so
and
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
neighborhood
association
plan.
I
know
we
kind
of
went
away
from
that
a
little
bit,
but
you
know,
like
our
plan,
we
did
implement
it
within.
I
think
it
was
actually
signed
off
like
in
two
years
ago.
We
worked
on
it
three
years
ago,
and
you
know
I
mean
it
was.
O
We
were
looking
at
blueprint,
boise
and
the
zoning
and
all
of
those
sort
of
things
when
we
were
that's
all
incorporated
in
the
plan,
and
so
you
know
I
I
guess
when
I
say
you
know
it,
there's
having
teeth
in
the
plant
is
like
you
know
we
we
came
up
with
you,
know,
definitions
and
some
desires
as
far
as
land
use
and
and
reuse
and
redevelopment
and
so
forth,
and
you
know
I
mean
if,
if
there's,
if
there's,
if
the
code
is
written
and
there's
limited
ways
in
which
we
can
have
input
on
a
project,
if
it's
all
within
code,
and
that's
the
one
thing,
that's
the
one
avenue
that
we
have
well
then
let
it
you
know,
then
we
need
to
stick
with
that.
O
You
know
if,
if
there
really
is
this,
if
there
really
is
going
to
be
no
benefit
of
doing
a
neighborhood
plan,
then
marissa
does
have
a
good
point.
What's
what's
the
point
of
doing
it,
you
know.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
effort
put
in
there.
It
wasn't.
I
I
don't
think
you
know
we
were
overstepping
the
browns
or
trying
to
dictate.
O
You
know
the
types
of
you
know,
trying
to
exclude
development
or
so
forth,
or
doing
anything
above
and
beyond
what
blueprint
boys
in
the
code
already
did
we
just
took
that
and
said
okay.
This
is
how
we
would
like
to
see
this
manifest
in
our
neighborhood
and
so
that
that's
what
I
mean
with
you
know
having
that
be
part
of
the
consideration
when
the
staff
is
evaluating
and
approving
a
project
does
it
fit
in
with
you
know
these.
O
Yeah,
so
I
I
don't
know
where
you
dropped
off,
but
that's
what
you
know
but
yeah.
The
point
I
just
wanted
to
make
is
is
that
you
know
I
know
that
some
of
the
plans
there's
a
longer
history.
It's
involved
in
the
purpose,
but
you
know
the
plan
that
that
our
neighborhood
put
in-
and
I
know
the
newer
ones.
We
were
considering
blueprint,
boise
and
zoning
code,
and
you
know,
and
and
espec
expressed
her
desires
based
off
of
you
know
what
fit
in
with
that
and
what
we
felt
fit
with
the
neighborhood.
O
E
We
got
to
okay,
this
is
tim.
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
things
and
I
attended
two
of
the
three
recent
public
meetings
on
the
zoning
rewrite
and
expressed
this
at
each
of
those,
the
ordinance
that
we
have
in
boise
right
now
started
in
1966
and
at
a
very
different
time
in
the
city's
history
in
this
country's
history,
as
it
relates
to
how
cities
were
developing.
So
we
can
rest
assured
that
the
idea
was
that
we
would.
E
E
And,
and
how
do
we
then,
as
a
community,
that
the
success
of
this
will
have
much
to
do
with
this
module
three
and
the
degree
to
which
we
can
shift
from
the
kind
of
stalemate
that
we've
been
within
for
quite
some
time
as
the
idea
about
behind
the
new
the
the
current
ordinance?
This
idea,
we
just
separate
everything
and
drive
to
do
everything
once
everybody
realized.
That's
that's!
That's
complete
community
breakdown!
E
We
get
into
this
stalemate
where
everybody's
trying
to
stop
things
from
happening,
because
there
isn't
a
path
forward.
That
seems
to
be
a
positive
one.
Well,
the
point
of
this
process
is
to
say:
what's
that
positive
path
and
then
let's
clear
it
for
people
so
that
we
can,
we
can
become
the
city
that
is
the
best
version
of
boise
that
we
can
be
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
everybody
understands.
E
That's
what
we're
seeking
to
do
not
make
sure
that
we've
got
processes
that
we
can
argue
within.
But
how
do
we
actually
make
these
things
as
simple
as
we
can
to
achieve?
The
second
thing,
I'll
mention
is
that,
as
we're
discussing
neighborhood
plans,
I
have
to
mention
that
you
know
the
discussion
that
we're
having
around
frustration
related
to
neighborhood
plans,
whether
it's
a
neighborhood
thinking
that
hey
we
didn't,
follow
the
plan
or
it's
it's.
E
This
awkwardness
of
the
expectations
that
come
out
of
a
neighborhood
plan
are
just
completely
off
all
those
kinds
of
things
are
discussions
that
happen
in
every
city
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
planning
practice
being
broken
to
a
large
degree.
So
we
have
thoughts
about
this
and
have
a
new
group
that
deanna's
leading
within
planning.
That's
that's.
Building
up
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
thoughts
about
how
do
we
actually
plan
as
a
city
beyond
the
ordinance?
E
How
do
we
actually
involve
people
in
meaningful
ways
where
the
expectations
should
be
clear
and
we're
doing
the
things
that
planning
should
be
doing
and
we're
not
doing
the
things
that
planning
shouldn't
be
doing
because
there's
lots
of
times
where
neighborhood
plans
become
almost
like
laundry
lists
of
ideas
or
things?
People
want.
That's
not
helpful
because
now
you're
expecting
people
to
go
back
to
this
list
and
say
have
we
checked
out
off
each
of
these
things?
E
So
my
two
points
on
this
discussion
we've
been
having,
so
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
the
planning
department
is
really
acting
now
on.
How
do
we?
How
do
we
do
the
planning
part
better,
too.
E
Well,
the
way
the
neighborhood
plans
are
incorporated
now
is
they're
they're
put
within
the
comprehensive
plan.
So,
as
an
individual
rezoning
might
come
up,
you
would
refer
to
the
comprehensive
plan
or
a
neighborhood
plan
if
there
is
one
as
it
relates
to
whatever
the
recommendation
is
on
that
rezoning.
So
that's
the
way
it
works
now.
So
we
were
not
anticipating
that
anything
in
the
zoning
code.
Rewrite
would
would
change
that.
R
I
just
I
guess
I
wanted
to
confirm
or
clarify
that
and
then
like
another
point,
I
don't
know
that
everyone
on
the
committee
knows,
but
probably
most
of
you
do,
but
I
think
it's
worth
saying
is
part
of
the
process.
Now
is
for
certain
things
and
most
all
the
projects
that
I've
been
involved
with
the
neighborhood
association,
and
I
don't
know
who
I
don't
know
if
it
has
to
be
like
the
president
vp
or
I
don't
have
to
be
the
board
of
the
neighborhood
or
not,
but
they
have
a
what.
R
I
would
call
it's
almost
a
rebuttal
period
in
a
public
hearing
to
the
developer,
and
that's
not
something
that
I
see
in
a
lot
of
communities
in
that
same
way
and
it
with
the
current
code
it
it
is
setting.
It
sets
up
the
neighborhood
and
the
project
to
be
against
each
other,
I
think
and
and
how
that
is
done
as
a
process.
R
And
so
I
guess
I'd
like
to
understand
if
that's
purposeful
or
if
it's
still
necessary
or
if
there's
a
better
way
and
if
that
can
be
outlined
in
module
three,
because
it
seems
like
that
person
who
gets
to
speak
for
the
neighborhood
gets
this
really
tremendous
voice
for
the
neighborhood.
That
may
not
be
real.
O
R
And
the
rebuttal
period
is
my
words.
I
mean
that's
not
like
in
the
code.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
when
it
certainly
happens
at
a
cup.
I
don't
know
if
it
doesn't
happen
at
dr.
O
R
To
respond
to
the
developer,
which
is
not
a
bad
thing
as
much
as
that
person
gets
a
stage
in
front
of
the
decision
makers
with
no
risk,
they
have
no
money
at
risk,
they
have
no
property
at
re.
I
mean
there
is
a
good
chance
like
to
me
the
neighbor,
the
person
that's
adjacent
should
have
20
minutes.
If
someone's
gonna
have
20
minutes,
it
should
be
the
person
that
has
the
risk,
and
that
said,
like
you
know,
a
very
conservative
minded
person.
R
D
This
is
byron
again,
so
I
think
one
of
the
kind
of
guiding
goals
that
we
had
at
the
beginning
of
this
process
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
reintroduce
again
was
this
notion
of
predictability.
D
D
This
issue
of
predictability
really
kind
of
overlaps,
so
much
of
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
role
of
neighborhood
associations,
and
there
is
kind
of
a
natural
tension
between
the
predictability
of
a
well-oiled
zoning
code
that
allows
for
projects
to
be
approved
in
this
streamlined
process
and
the
kind
of
local
control
or
other
special
interest
group
involvement
that
we
hear
from
some
neighbors.
D
So
I
wanted
to
kind
of
reintroduce
that
notion
of
predict
predictability,
specifically
as
we
go
into
module
three,
because
that
was
a
big
goal
from
the
very
beginning,
and
so
as
we're
talking
about
the
the
the
regular
approval
process
for
allowed
use
projects
and
as
we're
increasing
the
number
and
types
specifically
of
residential
housing
types
that
are
now
under
allowed
use.
D
I
see
that
as
a
huge
opportunity
for
us
to
again
address
affordability,
but
also
address
some
of
the
housing
justice
issues
that
the
city
has
never
really
come
to
terms
with
as
well
and
really
kind
of
setting
the
expectation
of
what
the
role
of
the
neighborhood
association
is
moving
forward
into.
Public
hearings.
U
Hi
this
is
jessica
I'm
on
dr
and
I
want
to
respond
with
regards
to
at
least
my
opinion
for
the
neighborhood
association
and
what
I've
experienced
at
dr.
U
U
We've
had
a
couple
associations
or
folks
representing
the
association
say
we
don't
want
it
here.
We
don't
care
what
it
looks
like.
We
don't
want
it,
and
this
goes
back
to
the
trust
issue.
You
know,
as
an
appointed
member
of
dr
and
knowing
my
colleagues
on
that
board,
I
have
trust
and
and
confidence
in
that
group
specifically
that
we
can
kind
of
see
through
that
hey,
I
don't
want
it
here.
We
don't
care
what
it
looks
like
we
see
through
that
and
just
because
they
say
that
we
know
better.
U
U
This
is
the
associations
need
to
have
a
voice
and
I'm
not
saying
that
they
should
have
some
power
or
authority
per
se
legal
authority,
but
they
need
to
have
a
voice
and
I
think
most
often
they
just
want
to
be
heard
and
a
lot
of
times.
They
come
into
some
meetings
and,
like
we
know
what
the
decision
is
going
to
be,
but
we
want
to
make
our
statement
and
have
it
on
the
record
that
we
don't
agree
with
where
we
think
what
we
think
the
outcome's
going
to
be.
U
A
Thank
you,
jessica,
patrick,
you
have
your
hand
raised
as
well.
N
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanna.
I
know
this
is
unlikely,
but
I
want
to
go
on
the
record
and
say
it
ironic
in
a
way
that
we
could
do
more
stuff.
In
writing.
These
meetings
are
very,
very
very
long
and
if
some
things
could
be
done
in
writing
by
various
parties,
the
meetings
could
be
shorter
for
all
involved,
while
still
achieving
communication
goals.
B
B
The
email
includes
the
project
date
of
meeting
and
a
summary
of
the
proposal,
and
I
know
every
neighborhood
association
acts
differently
on
how
they
disseminate
some
of
that
information
or
if
they
have
a
separate
pnc
kind
of
committee
as
well,
and
then
hillary
also
commented
yes
agree
with
byron.
Addressing
this
tension
is
key
for
module.
Three.
O
Hi
yeah.
Well,
since
I'm
one
of
the
few
neighborhood
association
people
here
now,
there's
those
the
rest
of
you
speak
up,
but
I
you
know,
I
think
it
is
important
I
mean,
for
the
associations
to
you
know,
have
to
be
able
to
participate
in
the
hearings
and
and
have
a
voice.
I
do
agree
that
you
know
there
nee.
There
does
need
to
be
some
education
that
occurs.
You
know,
I
I
mean
our
neighborhood.
O
You
know
we
have
to
remind
people
that
you
know
this
is
what
the
zoning
law
says,
and
this
is
what
is
allowed
because
you
know
shaolin.
I
I
think
you
do
bring
up
a
good
point
is
that
it
does
kind
of
give
this
sense
of
it's
a
hearing.
So
if
I
go
in
and
complain
loud
enough,
I
may
be
able
to
change
the
results.
Well,
if
the
law
is
the
law
and
it
says
that
they
can
build
it
well,
then
it
can
be
built
right.
O
So
you
know,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
education
and-
and
that's
one
of
the
things
in
our
collaborative
visioning
meeting
with
the
neighborhood
of
leadership,
is
you
know,
as
part
of
module?
Three
is
having
a
you
know,
a
summit
and,
and
and
talking
about
you
know,
how
can
we
educate
the
the
neighborhood
associations
and
how
can
they
be
actively
engaged
and
provide
feedback?
That's
that's
meaningful
and
and
help
the
the
people
in
the
neighborhoods
understand.
O
You
know,
maybe
what
some
of
the
limitations
are
or
what's
allowed,
or
you
know
how
to
kind
of
diffuse
some
of
the
hard
feelings
that
happens
because
of
that,
but
I
do
think
that
the
neighborhood
associations
I
mean
some
some
are
more
engaged.
More
savvy
have
been
around
longer.
They
understand
the
process
better.
The
way,
the
approach,
the
hearings
are
different.
O
Some
maybe
are
newer
and
they're
just
coming
up
to
speed,
and
so
maybe
that's
why
you
know
they
may
need
to
spend
some
time.
You
know
understanding
better
how
things
work
with
planning
and
zoning
and
what
the
overall
process
is,
and
so
I
think
that
there
can
be
some.
O
You
know
we
can
come
up
with
some
processes
or-
or
you
know,
maybe
like
annual
training
sessions
or
something
with
the
associations
to
help
clarify
that
so
that
you
know
we
can
at
least
help
alleviate
some
of
the
anxiety
just
over
the
fact
of.
Well,
I
don't
like
it,
I
don't
want
you
to
build
it,
that
sort
of
conversation
to
so.
Instead
of
having
that
conversation,
we
can
have
well.
This
is
what
the
code
says.
So
what
makes
sense?
C
C
About
neighborhood
associations
today
and
probably
in
the
past-
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
being
the
city
folks
in
in
attendance,
what's
the
status
of
reevaluating
energize
and
the
neighborhood
association,
because
I
did
see
tiffany
speak
at
city
council
and
you
know,
is
there
a
way
that
a
lot
of
what's
been
brought
up
here
could
be
incorporated
into
some
of
that
discussion
to
benefit
the
neighborhood
associations
and
et
cetera
thanks.
B
Yeah
thanks
roberta.
This
is
lindsey
so
tiffany
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
energize
moved
into
the
office
of
community
engagement,
which
is
the
office
that
I'm
in
it
used
to
live
in
pds,
but
it's
more
of
a
community
engagement
department.
I
guess
I
should
say,
and
so
she
has
been
doing
a
lot
of
outreach
over
the
last
couple
months
with
energize
on
kind
of
rethinking.
You
know
what
are
the
priorities?
B
What
should
energize
look
like?
Where
should
resources
go
and
so
and
tiffany
is
a
part
of
this
process
as
well
she's
on
vacation
right
now
and
will
connect
when
she
comes
back,
but
I
believe
her
timeline
is
to
give
recommendations
in
the
fall,
and
some
of
that
aligns
with
you
know
our
conversations
as
well
in
some
of
this,
so
these
will
be
together
for
sure.
So
that's
something
that
we're
working
through
on
what
she
hears
from
neighborhood
associations,
leadership-
and
you
know,
everyone
involved.
Q
So
I
know
we
are
kind
of
getting
to
time
to
sort
of
segue
to
thinking
about
kind
of
the
outreach
process
for
module
three
and
just
kind
of
thinking
about
all
of
the
the
comments
we've
heard.
As
you
mentioned,
roberta,
a
lot
of
stuff
has
come
up
about
about
neighborhood
associations,
and
I
think
you
all
have
made
a
lot
of
really
good
points.
Q
This
is
lena
by
the
way,
so
I
forgot
to
say
that-
and
you
know
like
shell
and
the
point
that
you
brought
up
about
you,
know
thinking
about
who
really
carries
the
risk
in
a
decision-making
process,
and
thinking
about
that
comes
back
to
a
lot
of
things
that
are
important
in
module,
three,
which
is
thinking
about
impacts
and
thinking
about
risk
and
also
sort
of
the
the
legal
aspect
of
the
process,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
have
with
development
and
with
zoning
is
that
you
know
the
entire
process
comes
back
to
being
essentially
based
around
the
development
of
private
property.
Q
Right
is
one
of
the
core
tenets
of
it,
and
so
we
run
into
it
can
be
difficult,
sometimes
because
it's
one
of
the
most
open
processes
that
we
have
for
people
to
participate
in.
But
ultimately
it's
coming
back
to
those
legal
ramifications
around.
You
know
private
property,
sometimes
it's
a
kind
of
a
feedback
that
we
hear
from
folks
that
we
struggle
with
you
know
people
say
like
well:
why
should
a?
Why?
Should
a
renter
have
a
voice
in
what
happens
here?
Q
Because
they
don't
have
the
financial
risk
in
this
neighborhood
they
don't
own
a
home
which
of
course
our
response
would
be
that
we
all
live
here
and
we
all
have
to
have
a
you
know.
We
should
all
have
a
voice
and
that
you
know
really
what
it
comes
back
to.
Is
that
one
of
the
key
things
that
people
seem
to
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
whether
it's
density
or
parking
all
this
feedback
we
get
during
the
zoning
code
is
really
thinking
about
how
we
are
stewards
of
our
shared
resources
and
how
those
can
be.
Q
You
know
there's
the
the
sort
of
personal
risk
of
private
development
and
then
there's
the
sort
of
the
shared
impacts
of
how
everything
influences
the
the
space
that
we
all
live
in
together,
whether
it's
our
water
or
our
roads.
And
so
this
has
been
a
really
good
discussion.
I
think,
to
start
thinking
about,
and
this
is
going
to
be
key
as
we
think
about
how
we
do
this
outreach
and
how
we
kind
of
engage
with
our
community
on.
Q
This
is
really
starting
to
tease
those
things
out
and
understand
both
the
pragmatics
of
it,
but
also
rather
than
just
saying
well
that-
and
that
means
that
you
know
people
shouldn't,
participate
or
something
like
that
or
that
voices
shouldn't
be
heard,
but
really
thinking
critically
about
how
do
we
frame
these
discussions
so
that
that
impact
is
you
know,
their
input
is
meaningful
and
is
impactful,
but
is
also
not
being
perhaps
misdirected
into
areas
where,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you're
looking
at
a
legal
decision
and
that's
how
it
has
to
be
made.
R
That
this
is
sheldon
again,
and
you
brought
up
a
good
point
and
I
think
one
that
we
talked
about
a
while
ago
in
this
committee,
which
is,
I
think
it
was
this
committee,
the
appeal
process
and
if
it
stays
with
who
it
goes
to
when
it's
appealed
and
someone
was
giving
the
example
of
an
appeal
committee.
That's
not
counsel,
you
know
in
my
brain.
Usually
an
appeal
goes
to
council,
it
doesn't
always,
but-
and
I
I
think
it
is
really
important
for
appeals
to
be.
R
Managed
in
such
a
way
that
not
everybody
can
always
appeal
in
the
sense
of
like
if
it's
just
50
bucks
and
it
doesn't
cost
anyone
anything
to
appeal.
It
ends
up
costing
taxpayers
a
lot
of
money
to
appeal
projects
if
there
is
no
basis
for
appeal,
so
that
needs.
I
think,
that
cost
benefit
sort
of
needs
to
be
like.
R
I
mean
at
least
analyzed
to
the
extent
that
you
can
create
an
appeal
process
that
is
like
a
little
more
balanced
and
then
I
also
think
that
that
appeal
committee
needs
to
have
somebody
who
understands
the
law
right
so
that
we're
not
setting
our
politicians
up
for
litigation,
unnecessary
litigation
because
there's
a
room
full
of
lovers
or
haters.
R
It's
usually
haters
right
and
it's
hard
for
anyone
to
face
their
voters
to
say.
Oh,
you
know,
I
can't
do
what
this
whole
room
full
of
people
is
telling
me
to
do
because
we
will
get
sued
and
it
will
cost
all
of
us
a
lot
of
money,
time
and
effort,
and
so
I
guess
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
see
a
way
in
which
that
can
be
sort
of
created
in
the
pro.
R
In
the
appeal
process-
and
it's
not
to
say
that
our
politicians
shouldn't
be
involved
because
they
should
be
accountable
to
the
voters,
but
it
seems
like
there
needs
to
be.
You
know
a
real
legal
analysis
of
appeals
at
some
level,
and
I
know
you
have
city,
you
have
a
city
attorney
who
probably
reviews
stuff,
but
that
kind
of
happens
in
the
background.
As
I
understand
it
now
and
the
public
might
not
be
like,
like
might
not
fully
understand
how
that
happens.
A
It
falls
very
well
within
many
of
the
discussions
that
we've
had
of
throwing
different
ideas
out
there
and
how
we
can
achieve
the
best
process
and
evaluating
that,
as
tim
had
noted,
that
we
have
a
very
old
process
and
it
doesn't
achieve
what
we're
looking
for
today
so
like
what
would
an
ideal
process
look
like,
and
so
we
we've
talked
about
a
number
of
these
things.
So
it's
good
to
hear
this
thing.
You
know
you
guys
think
about
some
of
those
things
as
well.
R
Yeah,
I
guess
I
don't
think
that
our
city
council
is
should
be
the
end-all
be-all
on
on
maintaining
our
code
and
law.
I
think
our
city
council
should
be
charged
with
running
a
government
and
running
our
our
city,
but
that's
not
just
code,
like
code
should
speak
for
itself.
U
And
just
to
confirm,
you
have
to
be
a
party
of
record
on
the
record.
Are
the
only
folks
that
can
file
an
appeal
for
an
item
correct.
So
if
I
didn't
like
write
a
letter
or
attend
a
hearing-
and
I
just
read
it
after
the
fact,
I
can't
file
an
appeal.
If
I
didn't
agree
with
the
outcome,
you
have
to
be
on
the
record
correct.
A
Appeals
through
the
public.
Well,
so,
if
there's
a
public
hearing
decision,
an
appeal
would
be
a
party
of
record.
An
administrative
decision
can
be
appealed
by
anybody
as
long
as
it's
filed
in
a
timely
manner,
so
they're
looked
at
a
little
bit
differently
as
they
move
forward
through
the
process
and.
A
R
A
Yeah
and
hillary
had
a
comment
as
well.
Hillary.
S
Those
those
issues
that
are
in
dispute
should
narrow
at
every
stage
again
like
to
what
shelin
said,
like
you
shouldn't
end
up
at
city
council
with
everything
subject
to
the
same
exact
arguments
that
have
been
vetted
three
times
right.
So
that's
I
mean
it
it's
for
efficiency,
but
it's
also
for
certainty
in
that
process
and
certainty
in
the
outcome,
and
it
also
has
the
effect
of
letting
the
public
know
like
at
what
point
you
need
to
make.
S
You
need
to
get
your
objections
in
and
that
at
what
point
a
decision
is
made
and
everybody
moves
on
from
that
to
sheldon's
point
at
the
very
very
beginning
of
all
of
this.
At
some
point
you
have
to
make
a
decision
and
move
on
from
that
decision,
and
it's
not
going
to
make
everybody
happy.
I
there's
no
way
this
process
is
going
to
make
everybody
happy,
but
that
that
ability
to
appeal
should
narrow
at
every
level.
A
Should
new
information
be
allowed
to
be
submitted
as
you
move
forward,
is
it
a
new
hearing
each
time
or
does
that
narrow,
as
you
move
forward,
and
all
information
needs
to
be
submitted
in
a
timely
way,
so
it
can
be
considered
at
each
level.
So
you
know,
all
of
these
are
very,
very
good
and
very
close
to
you
know
where
we
have
been
talking.
G
Esther,
so
just
a
couple
of
thoughts.
This
is
esther.
My
thoughts
are
regarding
the
conversation
of
public
involvement
and
then
well
public
involvement,
so
I'm
a
huge,
huge
proponent
of
public
involvement
and
and
the
ability
for
community
members
to
participate
in
a
process.
G
G
However,
I
think
there
are
opportunities
to
maybe
define
what
is
allowed
versus
what
or
what
would
be
an
where
an
association
has
20
minutes
versus.
G
Not
so
you
know
how
do
we
get
residents
to
be
okay
with
allowed
uses,
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
we
get
those
allowed
uses
right
and
say,
and
this
I'm
just
throwing
this
out.
I
still
need
to
think
more
about
it,
but
I
just
I
want
to
share
it
with
folks.
You
know
allowed
uses
in
a
neighborhood,
maybe
those
all
go
through
administrative,
it's
conditional
uses
that
would
go
through
a
hearing
process.
G
I
think
someone
today
mentioned.
You
know
the
oh
gosh
was
it
you
drew
or
was
it
you
ian?
You
know,
we've
got
those
opportunities
like
if
folks
meet
certain
sustainability
or
affordability
components,
then
you
know,
there's
there's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
build
a
taller
building
or
do
some
other
things
we.
We
need
a
clear
picture
of
what
that
looks
like,
but
just
something
to
think
about.
On
that
end
and
and
then
on
the
outreach
efforts.
G
What
I
would
say
is
the
first
round
of
outreach
efforts
where
staff
went
around
to
different
areas
of
the
city.
I
heard
great
feedback
on
that
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
at
one
of
our
little
information
gathering
meetings
that
we
held
in
our
neighborhood
this
week,
one
of
the
comments,
because
we
asked
for
input
on
all
things,
transportation,
zoning
shelters-
all
that
one
of
the
comments
that
was
made
was
that
it
was
exciting
to
see
that
the
city
wants
humans
to
participate
in
this
process.
G
And
you
know
I
I
want
to
recognize
or
acknowledge
the
city
city
staff
in
particular
having
been
involved
in
city
activities
as
a
resident
of
this
community
for
the
last
decade.
This
is
the
most
robust
outreach
efforts.
I
have
seen
come
out
of
city
hall,
so
you
know,
as
we
start
talking
about
okay.
What
is
this
outreach
going
to
look
like,
or
what
do
we
want
it
to
look
like
I,
I
would
say
this
last
version
of
outreach
where
there
were
only
three
meetings,
not
not
suitable.
G
B
Thanks
hester
and
that's
a
good
segue
to
the
last
portion
of
our
conversation,
so
in
october,
and
a
little
bit
into
november
will
be
kind
of
our
last
big
push
into
the
community.
Not
only
will
it
be
module
three,
but
it'll
be
the
consolidated
draft.
So
at
that
point,
it'll
be
several
hundred
pages
that
we're
headed
out
to
the
community
before
it'll
kind
of
go
for
submittal
to
pnz
and
then
to
city
council.
So
esther's
thoughts
were
great.
She
liked
the
last
round
going
more
neighborhood
focused,
also
thoughts
about
format.
B
The
last
round
that
we
did
was
kind
of
more
open
house
that
we
heard
from
roberta
that
we
had
a
presentation,
q
a
and
then
we
also
brought
in
we
each
had.
We
probably
had
eight
to
ten
planners
at
each
of
those
meetings
as
well,
so
we
could
spread
out
and
there
wasn't
as
much
pressure
just
on
these
three
planners
and
jessica
and
tim
as
well.
To
answer
some
of
the
questions,
because
a
lot
of
people
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
we
pretty
much
stayed
very
late
every
night
at
all
of
these
meetings.
B
So
it
definitely
helps
having
more
staff
there
as
well
so
open
to
thoughts,
best
practices,
you've
seen
elsewhere,
also
ways
of
hearing
about
the
meetings
forms
of
communication
that
you
to
hear
about
it
so
open
to
all
those
I'll.
Let
anybody
take
the
floor.
I
see
a
lot
of
you
shaking
your
heads,
like
you
have
ideas.
A
H
I
would
say:
probably
the
news
be
you
know,
or
these
public
broadcast
deals
as
a
homeowner.
I've
always
thought
that
you
know
I
was
always
on
the
side
that
the
homeowner
probably
had
more
input
or
had
more
to
lose.
I've
kind
of
changed,
thought
on
that
and
believe
that
the
renters
probably
have
a
lot
more
to
say
these
days.
H
It's
there's
a
good
chance
that
the
percentage
of
renters
in
boise
are
higher
than
what
they
used
to
be
for
sure,
and
I
don't
believe
that
renters
necessarily
want
to
rent
so
they're
being
forced
into
it
at
this
point
because
of
affordability
and
all
that,
and
so
maybe
some
way
of
getting
flyers
out
to
these
big
apartment
complexes
to
cover
a
big
mass
of
you
know,
the
density.
F
This
is
ian.
I
I
think
that
was.
That
was
a
great
point.
You
know
whether
or
not
that's
trying
to
get
to
some
of
the
bigger
apartment
complexes
and
actually
have
meetings
or
hearings
or
not
hearing
experiences
wrong
or
meetings
with
with
people
of
that
community.
I
think
that's
good.
I
rented.
When
I
first
moved
here
and
I
went
to
one
of
those
meetings,
it
was
very
informative,
very
helpful.
F
I
also
think,
having
a
diverse,
you
know,
range
of
ways
to
reach
out
to
you
know
the
community
is
good,
not
just
having
you
know
those
open
house
kind
of
qa
sessions.
I
think
those
are
effective
but
to
esther's
point
having
ones
that
are
you
know
in
each.
You
know
community
as
well
each
parts
of
the
neighborhood
so
a
little
bit
of
everything.
I
know.
That's
not
you
know
it's
not
the
golden
ticket
or
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
think
anything
is
is
better
than
nothing
so.
D
This
is
byron
again,
I
agree
with
ian
and
esther.
I
think
geographic
variation
with
the
meetings.
The
open
house
was
really
great.
The
folks
that
I
was
able
to
push
into
some
of
those
meetings.
D
The
pitch
that
I
had
was
that
you
can
have
one-on-one
time
with
a
planner
and
the
decision
makers
and
the
people
that
are
working
on
the
code
behind
the
scenes.
So
I
think
that's
a
huge
draw
for
people.
It
also,
I
think
at
least
the
last
three,
with
the
open
house
format
seemed
to
keep
everybody's
attention
really
well,
it
was
a
more
concise
presentation.
The
visuals
were
awesome
and
then
people
dispersed
and
did
what
they
naturally
want
to
do,
which
is
going
to
talk
one-on-one
with
people
afterwards.
So.
C
I
know
I've
reached
out
to
folks
on
the
city
staff
and
thank
you
for
all
that's
been
happening,
but
I've
also
reached
out
to
some
people
in
the
group
here
and
all
of
us
have
our
own
little
bubbles
of
who
we
talk
to,
and
I
think
it
in
part
it's
our
responsibility
to
reach
out
to
them
and
help
them
know.
What's
going
on
or
and
or
invite
somebody
from
the
city
staff
or
someone
we
work
with
here
to
help
get
the
word
out.
R
So
this
is
sheldon
and
I
think,
like
I
think,
outreach
is
great.
I
think
we
I'm
looking
at
the
timeline
on
the
website
and
it
says
that
the
fall
is
this
consolidated
draft
module
and
then
the
public
hearings
start
in
winter
of
23
so
january
through
march
or
whatever,
but
like
practically
speaking,
are
you
you're
not
considering
the
outreach
that
you're
asking
about
today?
Is
not
public
hearings?
B
So
we'll
do
our
outreach
period
october
through
right
before
the
holidays
is
kind
of
the
timeline,
because
staff
still
needs
time
to
make
edits
really
over
the
holidays.
For
thus
us.
L
B
Then
submit
by
february,
I
believe
it's
our
timeline.
R
So
I
guess
with
that
said,
thank
you
that
was
just
clarifying
for
me.
I
think
it's
really
important
for
you
all
to
have
measurable
goals
in
regards
to
outreach
and
reasonable
and
measurable
goals,
so
that
you
know
when
you
can
stop
and
go
forward
to
make
that
decision
right
to
draw
that
line,
and-
and
I
also
think-
and
I
don't-
I
didn't-
have
the
opportunity-
because
I
was
traveling
a
bunch
this
summer
to
go
to
these
open
houses.
R
But
I
I
think
you,
I
think
we
need
to
constantly
be
telling
each
other
and
every
you
know,
and
the
community
like
how
many
opportunities
they've
had
how
many
people
have
spoken,
how
many
groups
you
guys
have
seen
and
make
those
into
graphics.
I
mean
you
guys
are
great
at
graphics
right,
like
there's
only
so
many
people
that
are
ever
going
to
care
and
the
amount
of
effort
that
you
have
to
get
to
get
that
secondary
like
tertiary
bubble.
R
R
I
guess
that
goes
back
to
my
like
rapid
decision
making
that
I
would
just
really
like
to
see
a
way
that
it
can
be
public
outreach
in
these
different
ways
to
these
different
entities,
this
many
people
and
stop
and
move
and
tell
folks
how
much
you've
done
like
we've
been
doing
this
for
years.
R
C
This
is
roberta
and
there
is
a
list
which
I've
shared
with
people
of
of
the
groups
and
the
organizations
that
the
city
has
reached
out
to
and
brad.
If
you
haven't
seen
it
lately,
I
mean
it's
worth
everyone
to
revisit
it
to
for
exactly
sheldon's
point.
You
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
outreach,
you
know
getting
people
to
respond
and
actually
engage.
B
Thanks
roberta
and
then
esther
had
a
comment
online
and
she
also
has
her
hand
raised
said
consider
setting
up
a
booth
at
city
hall
during
first
thursday.
Postcards
are
good.
I
think
the
laundry
laundry
mat
outreach
is
great.
Esther
did
you
have
more
to
add
to
that?
I
do.
G
G
And
having
grown
up
low
income,
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
not
that
people
don't
care.
We
are
all
at
different
levels
on
the
maslow
hierarchy
of
needs.
There
are
people
struggling
who
may
care,
but
do
not
have
the
capacity
or
the
resource
to
make
one
of
our
meetings.
G
When
I
think
of
some
of
our
underserved
populations
in
our
community,
there
is
a
language
barrier,
there
is
a
cultural
barrier,
so
I
you
know,
like
I
understand
that
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
outreach
that
we
can
do,
but
I
think
we
also
have
to
understand
the
makeup
of
some
of
our
community
members
and
for
myself,
who
is
you
know
who
has
the
privilege
of
working
a
nine-to-five
job
and
has
the
privilege
of
spending
my
volunteer
time
doing
whatever
I
want,
including
going
to
evening
meetings?
G
H
Yeah,
sorry,
just
a
broad
comment
here,
but
we're
making
these
decisions
in
a
very
unique
time
in
history
we've
had
covet,
we've
had
the
mass
migration
we've
had
open
borders,
we've
had
war,
we've
got
all
kinds
of
influences
towards
why
we
don't
have
affordable
housing
anymore.
Why
there's
so
many
people
here
you
know
the
term
affordable
housing.
H
I
mean
that's
like
a
new.
It
needs
to
go
in
the
dictionary
now,
because
it's
like
a
new
thing,
but
we're
making
some
big
decisions
on
you
know
history
changes.
So
we
don't
want
to
jump
into
this
big
change
without
thought
and
because
things
are
going
to
change
again,
it's
going
to
slow
down
we're
already
seeing
the
economy
change,
we're,
seeing
affordability
starting
to
lower
housing
starting
to
lower
I'm
just
saying
we
need
to
be
careful
on
how
we
look
at
the
future
and
not
be
too
quick.
A
All
right,
we
do
have
four
individuals
that
are
attendees.
Gary
has
his
hand
up,
so
I
think
we'd
like
to
hear
from
gary.
Can
you
release
gary?
Would
you
like
to
visit
with
us.
V
Sure
I
have
just
some
short
comments:
kind
of
taking
keeping
in
mind,
tim's
comment
about
finding
the
positive
path
and
making
things
simple
to
achieve.
I
thought
those
are
really
important
kind
of
principles
here
to
operate
on
and
they
kind
of
I
built
my
comments
on
them.
So
what
one
thing
that
I
really
liked
was
a
neighborhood
association
meeting
where
all
the
associations
were
invited
to
participate
in
a
noontime
call.
I
think
it
lasted
an
hour.
V
I
thought
that
was
a
great
way
to
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
at
least
one
way
to
do
it,
and-
and
I
got
some
good
feedback.
I
thought
from
at
least
one
of
the
members
on
our
neighborhood
association
that
attended
that.
V
So
one
of
the
other
things
is
that
I
think
the
city
needs
to
impose
some
sta
talking
about
the
the
the
process
that
the
city
is
going
through
to
to
accomplish.
These
things
is
the
city
needs
to
impose
some
standards
on
themselves
in
itself
in
terms
of
processing
times
and
and
those
kinds
of
things
and
then
living
with
those
time
is
money.
V
I
know
I
I
sit
on
a
committee
for
one
of
the
local
nonprofit
development
companies
and
and
so
we're
experiencing
a
lot
of
lost
opportunity
costs
as
a
result
of
the
delays
with
the
city.
We're
going
to
detail
this
in
a
communication
with
the
city,
but
one
of
the
other
things
is,
I
think,
is
accelerating.
The
processing
for
affordable
housing
projects
is
really
important
to
consideration
and
then
living
with
that.
V
The
bsu
campus,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
special
attention
on
the
part
of
the
city
and
in
cooperation
with
bsu
and
back
and
forth.
I
think
it's
what
has
happened
there
and
I
don't
completely
understand
the
history,
but
there's
a
kind
of
a
vacuum
or
a
breach
or
something
that
cena
has
kind
of
stepped
into.
V
The
southeast
neighborhood
association
has
stepped
into,
and
I
think
they're
exercising
some
some
judgments
on
things
that
go
beyond
what
the
scope
of
a
neighborhood
association
should
ever
be
asked
to
do
or,
frankly,
in
my
opinion,
allowed
to
do,
and
I
think
what
it's
it.
Some
of
the
things
that
are
happening
are
resulting
in
some
bad
planning
decisions,
and
I
think
it
some
of
the
things
that
cena
is
doing
kind
of,
ignores
some
of
the
needs
of
boise
state
university
and
and
when
the
planning
that
they
had
done,
you
know
seven
years
ago
or
whatever.
V
V
I
don't
know
moderation
in
it
and
maybe
moderating
it
through
turning
the
volume
down,
at
least
this
neighborhood
association
on
some
of
those
issues
through
training
and
and
maybe
a
different
kind
of
relationship
and
information
exchange
with
the
city
of
boise.
So
that
was.
N
V
M
I
Awesome
yeah
just
just
a
couple
quick
comments.
I
won't.
I
won't
reiterate
a
few
points
I
mean
I'll
just
say
I
think
a
lot
of
people,
so,
first
of
all,
my
name
is
chris
runyan.
I
live
in
the
east
end
trying
to
get
familiar
with
the
the
new
code,
trying
to
just
get
a
picture
in
my
head
of.
You
know
really
what
it
means,
and
I
don't
know
if
I'd
say
I
have
concerns,
but
I
have
definitely
have
questions
about
what
density
is
what
what
the
reduced
parking
is.
I
You
know
what
what
the
additional
heights
building
heights
would
look
like,
so
I
won't
go
into
that
because
you
guys
have
already
heard
that,
but
some
of
the
other
things
is,
I
think
this
idea
of
density
and
affordability
correlating
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
that's
necessarily
true,
I
think,
density
in
some
areas.
I
I
It
depends
on
the
property
value
so,
where
I
live,
I
I
would
assume
density
would
would
look
like
you
know
more
three-story
narrow
homes,
not
you
know,
two
level
below
median
income
homes,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
point,
and
that
leads
me
into
I
just
I
have
concerns
with
the
incentives,
specifically
the
the
affordability
one
I
think
most
most
people
would
equate
affordability
with
maybe
like
workforce
house,
workforce
housing
in
the
way
that
it's
set
up
right.
Now,
it's
for
a
property
that
is
sold.
I
I
calculate
that
around
115
000
dollars
for
a
household
of
four,
so
so
that
is
the
definition
of
affordable
that
that's
in
the
code
right
now
and
when
I
back
that
out
to
what
the
home
purchase
would
be,
I
get
at
a
five
percent
interest
rate.
I
get
450
000,
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know.
I
really
encourage
you
guys
to
look
at
either
changing
of
that
word
or
changing
the
median
income,
because
I
think
most
people
are
going
to
think
about
someone
making
less
than
115
000.
I
and
really
the
only
other
thing
is
with
the
outreach.
I
think
it.
It
really
comes
down
to
visuals
and
giving
people
a
way
to
you
know
it's.
It
needs
to
be
open,
transparent
and
understandable.
I
I
think
I
think
esther
someone
made
the
comment
I
mean
there's
this
code
is
extremely
complicated
and
I
think
you
guys
are
doing
a
good
job
of
describing
the
vision,
but
how
that
vision
actually
is
going
to
play
out
in
actuality
needs
to
maybe
be
worked
on
a
little
bit
so,
if
possible,
if
the
city
could
come
up
with
more
pictures
of
what
type
of
housing
is
going
to
be
built
in
these
smaller
type
lots.
I
So
if
you
had
stuff
that
you
could
give
them
and
then
disseminate
out,
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful
and
I
think
they
do
play
a
an
important
part,
especially
when
we've
talked
about
how
difficult
it
is
to
get
involvement.
But
in
the
same
hand
I
hear
people
talking
about.
We
want
to
reduce
the
involvement
of
the
neighborhood
association,
so
I
think
those
things
need
to
be
kept
in
balance
and
and
thought
of
that
one
affects
the
other.
So,
but
I
appreciate
this
meeting
and
your
time
and
ability
to
make
a
few
comments.
A
Thank
you,
chris
anybody
else
before
we
close
out.
R
I
just
did
an
interesting
search
houses
in
boise
under
400,
450,
000
or
less
that
have
three
bedrooms
for
a
family
of
four
per
se.
There's
10
on
the
market
according
to
zillow,
there's
probably
more,
but
I
think
that's
like
a
good
just
you
know
120
115
000.
It
seems
like
a
lot
of
money
and
450
000
is
a
lot
more
than
I
could
afford
right
now.
But,
like
you
know,
the
market
right
now
is
crazy.
R
I
Wanted
to
yeah
I'll
just
mention
with
that.
I
think,
because
we're
gonna
allow
a
developer
to
do
additional
units
say
five
that
you
know
may
cause
impacts
to
neighbors.
I
The
trade-off
is:
is
that
that
developer
is
going
to
provide
quote,
affordable
housing,
and
my
point
is:
is
I'm
trying
to
make
the
point
that,
if
we're
going
to
say
that
as
a
neighbor?
Personally,
I
would
be
more
okay
with
that,
if,
if
you
provided
workforce,
so
so
80
percent
of
medium,
that
someone
could
could
purchase
that
home
for
not
not
a
120,
I
just
don't
think
we
need
to
help
subsidize
120
percent
of
median,
because
that's
more
than
less
than
half
of
the
people
in
boise
make
that.