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Monthly meeting for the City of Boise's Zoning Code Rewrite Citywide Advisory Committee. This meetings streams on YouTube, where the public can view it.
A
So
that
should
really
get
us
started
before
we
move
on.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
do
a
very,
very
brief
recap.
Last
month
you
asked
who
all
have
we
communicated
with
as
far
as
agencies
and
other
professional
teams,
so
we
went
ahead
and
sent
that
contact
list
out
to
you.
A
number
of
you
responded
back
with
some
additional
individuals,
so
we
went
ahead
and
added
those
to
our
list.
So
we
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that
participation
and
then
also
with
this
month's
agenda.
A
Last
month
we
talked
about
well.
What
have
we
done
with
module
one
and
to
give
everybody
a
refresher?
We
went
ahead
and
sent
out
a
list
of
who
did
we
talk
to
for
that
module
one
and
the
information
that
we
heard.
So
you
got
two
summaries
that
went
with
that
as
well.
So
that's
a
really
good
refresher
of
where
we've
been
through
the
process
and
where
we're
going
to
move
to
today.
A
We'll
also
start
to
get
into
reading
module
two,
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
exciting
day,
because
at
5
00
pm
today
we're
going
to
release
module
2
on
the
city's
website.
In
addition
to
module
2
content,
there's
going
to
be
some
materials
that
are
going
to
help,
you
navigate
a
module.
A
We
also
have
a
executive
summary
that
summarize
what
those
key
changes
are.
So
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
you
can
expect.
As
you
read
that
document
we're
also
going
to
have
a
conversion
map.
That's
on
there
we're
going
to
give
you
a
brief
tutorial
on
how
to
use
that
as
well.
We'll
go
ahead
and
take
a
break,
and
then
we
want
you
to
know
what
our
community
engagement
is
going
to
look
like
and
when
all
of
that's
going
to
occur.
A
So
if
we
go
ahead
and
move
forward,
we'll
we'll
really
talk
about
and
get
into
reading
module
2.,
you
don't
have
to
take
notes.
If
you
don't
want
to
we're
going
to
have
those
documents
online
and
available
to
you
at
5
pm,
so
you
can
reference
those
at
any
time.
As
I
noted
before,
we've
created
an
executive
summary
identifying
what
the
key
changes
are
in
that
module
to
help
you
there's
going
to
be
all
of
this
information
displayed
on
our
website,
as
well
as
some
additional
information.
A
If
you
want
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
what
the
diagnostics
report
said
or
what
module
one
had
to
offer
and
what
that
community
engagement
looked
like
all
of
that's
going
to
be
on
the
website
as
well
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
also
provide
you
a
sneak
peek
of
what
that
community
schedule
and
that
neighborhood
can
sorry,
those
neighborhood
and
community
conversations
those
dates
and
times
so
that
everybody
can
plan
accordingly
and
participate
where
they
feel
most
appropriate.
A
A
B
So,
hey
it's
great
to
see
the
faces
again
after
quite
feels
like
a
long
time,
but
it's
nice
to
to
be
here
on
the
date
on
which
just
a
minute,
I
got
a
call
there
just
on
the
date
on
which
we're
gonna
release
module
two.
Finally,
as
we've
said
many
times,
it
is,
it
covers.
B
A
lot
of
territory
covers
a
lot
of
topics
that
a
lot
of
people
care
about,
and
it
will
help
we
are
confident
that
it
will
help
inform
and
and
people's
understanding
of
what
module
one
means,
what
what
the
uses
in
district
mean
when
you
compare
them
with
the
quality
and
the
parking
and
the
landscaping,
the
other
standards
to
go
along
with
it.
So
for
many
months
now,
you've
kind
of
had
half
of
the
puzzle
in
your
hand
or
a
third
of
the
puzzle.
B
Things
are
going
to
about
to
get,
we
think
easier
to
understand
the
implications
because
of
module
two's
out.
So
it's
exciting
we're
glad
to
be
here
again.
Gabby
is
actually
going
to
handle
the
first
part
of
this
presentation,
I'm
going
to
handle
the
second
part
so
gabby.
I
will
mute
myself.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
know
that
getting
through
a
large
portion
of
the
zoning
code
is
not
light
reading
for
most
so
we
wanted
to
walk
through
how
to
read
module
2
so
that
you
can
really
digest
it
and
give
us
good
feedback
rather
than
getting
overwhelmed
by
it.
Next
slide.
Please.
C
So
this
not
only
gives
you
the
full
picture
of
the
code,
but
it's
helpful
if
you
are
in
one
section
and
are
wondering
if
a
different
topic
is
going
to
be
addressed,
you'll
be
able
to
see
if
that's
coming
up,
read
it
section
by
section
and
then
next
is
that
in
the
sections
that
interest
you
typically
towards
the
beginning,
there
will
be
sort
of
a
summary
table
or
an
applicability
table
or
specific
subsections
that
set
out
the
very
basic
rules
and
focus
on
those
things
first,
before
moving
into
some
of
the
more
specific
standards
that
are
added
on
top
of
the
general
ones.
C
If
you're
interested
in
a
particular
zoning
district
focus
on
those
subsections,
if
there
are
any
that
address
that
zoning
district
specifically
and
if
something
seems
strange
or
if
you
are
familiar
with
the
zoning
code-
and
you
think
something's
missing
or
you're
kind
of
wondering
did-
is
that
a
suggestion
is
that
new?
Is
it
a
recommendations?
C
C
D
C
In
the
city,
and
then
we
move
into
the
module
2
topic,
which
is
development
standards
which
tell
you
how
you
can
build
and
design
those
uses,
and
then,
after
that,
we
have
administration
and
procedures
which
tells
you
the
process
by
which
development
will
occur
and
who
is
responsible
for
approving
that
development,
followed
by
definitions
and
the
specific
plan
districts
which
are
standalone
sections
of
regulations
that
are
not
being
rewritten
next
slide.
Please.
C
C
C
As
you
can
see,
there
are
some
application
or
development
types
that
are
not
required
to
comply
with
all
the
standards
and
some
that
are
required
to
comply
with
all
of
them.
So
if
you
see,
if
you
come
in
with
a
change
of
use,
you
won't
have
to
comply
with
the
same
standards
as
if
you
come
in
with
a
conditional
use.
Permit
next
slide,
please.
C
So
I
think
this
one
has
yeah
there
we
go
perfect.
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
more
specific
outline
of
development
of
design
standards
again,
and
we
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
some
of
the
sort
of
main
things
of
this
first
and
foremost
lot
in
building
forms.
We
use
that
we
place
that
early
in
the
organization,
because
it's
the
most
common
question
of
how
big
is
it
going
to
be?
How
tall
is
it
going
to
be?
C
Next,
please
so
the
common
question.
So
these
letters
and
colored
boxes
on
the
side
actually
correspond
to
the
how
to
read
module,
2
handout
that
andrea
mentioned
and
that
she'll
show
later,
but
some
of
the
common
questions
that
the
public
has
related
to
development
and
design
standards
are
included
here,
and
that
includes
their
corresponding
section
references
within
the
code
as
well
as
the
page
number
of
the
draft.
So
if
you
also
have
these
common
questions
off
the
bat,
this
is
a
great
place
to
start.
C
So
two
of
the
more
common
topics
that
people
ask
about
are
dimensional
standards,
including
neighborhood
protection
standards
and
then
parking
so
starting
with
lot
and
building
form
and
dimensions,
and
if
you
move
forward
one
the
it
starts
out
with
the
dimensional
standard,
summary
tables.
So
these
are
the
rules
of
how
big
can
it
be?
How
tall
can
it
be?
How
dense
can
it
be
and
there's
two
different
tables?
C
One
has
the
residential
zoning
districts,
the
other
has
the
mixed
use
and
special
purpose
districts,
and
then
we
move
in
to
neighborhood
protection
standards
which
require
that
taller
buildings
step
down
to
protect
neighborhoods
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
there
are
other
building
form
controls
for
specific
types
of
developments
in
this
section
next
slide,
please
and
then
for
parking.
This
is
a
snapshot
of
the
specific
subsections
of
the
parking
section
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
goes
from
the
general
parking
standards
into
the
sort
of
meat
of
it
is
minimum
and
maximum
off-street
parking
standards.
C
So
how
much
parking
does
each
use
have
to
provide?
Are
there
maximum
parking
requirements?
Will
there
are
we
trying
to
avoid
over
parking
certain
sites?
Those
are
found
in
this
section
parking
adjustments
is
another
big
section:
it's
how
the
sort
of
basic
minimum
and
maximum
standards
can
be
changed,
based
on
either
location
or
based
on
planning
goals.
C
You're
trying
to
achieve
those
are
in
this
section
as
well,
and
that
was
a
pretty
quick
rundown
of
kind
of
the
the
big
things
but,
like
andrea
said,
there's
going
to
be
a
handout
that
captures
all
of
this
information
and
more,
but
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
how
to
read
module
one
so
that
it
helps
you
give
us
feedback.
So
if
anyone
has
any
questions
or
comments,
we're
happy
to
take
those
now.
B
I'm
going
to
jump
in
for
a
minute,
so
if
you
want
to
mute,
that's
great,
thank
you
gabby.
So,
just
again,
circling
back
a
little
bit
that
was
a
great
overview
and
and
we
could
have
included
a
similar
guide
to
the
main
points
of
each
section
of
the
ordinance
but
building
height
and
size,
and
what
and
lot
size
and
parking
have
been
two
of
the
hot
topics
to
the
topic.
The
reason
we
focus
on
them
is
that's
what
that
we
hear
about
when
or
staff
hears
about
when
they
do
outreach.
B
B
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
one
thing
that
will
make
it,
I
think
really
helpful,
is-
is
the
map
the
conversion
map,
so
for
a
while
months
ago,
council
was
asking
us
and
maybe-
and
you
were
too-
I
think
when
do
we
get
to
see
the
map
and
the
answer
is
today
today:
it's
gonna
be
released
at
five
o'clock,
but
if
you're
concerned
about
your
block
you're
concerned
about
your
house
you're
concerned
about
your
neighborhood
or
the
arterial
or
collector,
that
is
near
your
neighborhood
and
wow.
B
I
certainly
hope
that
one's
not
going
to
get
too
dense
or
too
tall.
You
could
even
start
at
the
map
start
at
okay,
which
new
zone
where's.
My
address
zoom
in
this
is
where
I
live,
or
this
is
where
my
business
is
located,
which
zone
district?
Am
I
in
and
use
that
as
your
entry
point
to
go
into
the
code?
Okay,
what
am
I
concerned
about
height?
Okay,
then
we
go
into
the
dimensions
and
form
standards
and
you
look
for
the
ones
that
apply
in
that
zone.
District
or
parking.
B
Look
at
the
ones
that
apply
to
that
use
in
that
zone
district,
but
I
think
for
many
people,
the
the
new
ordinance
is
about
to
become
more
real,
because
the
point
of
entry
doesn't
have
to
be
the
text
of
the
rules
in
different
uses
or
or
development
standards.
There's
a
new
entry
point
and
that
can
be
the
conversion
map,
and
that
can
point
you
in
the
direction
that
that
says.
B
Basically
what
gabby
said
you
don't
have
to
read
the
whole
thing
from
start
to
back
as
a
novel
you're
not
supposed
to
it's,
not
a
novel,
it
it.
But
it
is
supposed
to
lead
you
to
the
answers
to
the
questions
and
often
those
questions
are
framed
in
terms
of
for
this
type
of
use
for
this
street,
for
this
neighborhood
for
this
area
and
that's
a
good
lens
to
kind
of
focus
on
as
you
as
you
read
the
the
document
or
try
to
understand
it
and
and
ask
questions
about
the
things
you
don't
understand.
B
So
I'm
going
to
be
quiet.
Are
there
questions
about
this
part
of
it
about
just
how
how
to
get
your
arms
around
it
when
it
lands
in
your
lap
later
today,.
A
We
did
have
one
question
from
roberta
and
she
said
that
module
one
was
mentioned,
and
it
really
was
intended
for
module
two.
This
is
how
you're
going
to
read
module
two,
and
she
also
asked-
is
the
document
hyperlinked
and
at
this
point
in
time
it
is
not
so
that
table
of
contents
is
going
to
be
a
very
valuable
tool
for
you.
E
E
So
I'm
really
hopeful
I've
been
telling
everyone
that
I
speak
with
about
this
process
that
module
two
is
really
where
people
need
to
be
paying
attention
and
that's
really
where
we
want
everyone
to
check
in.
So
thank
you
for
making
that
as
user-friendly
as
possible.
It
looks
great.
B
Well,
thank
you
for
the
compliment.
Although
we
have
to
turn
it
around
to
staff
staff
has
been
doing
a
good
bit
of
work,
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
most
helpful
questions
and
the
best
answers.
So
thank
you.
It's
been
a
team
effort,
but
we'll
accept
a
compliment,
but
we'll
we'll
reflect
it
back
on
your
own
staff.
Some
things.
A
All
right,
so
do
any
committee
members
have
anything
else
before
we
do
move
on
and
really
talk
about
what
those
key
changes
are.
Is
everybody
comfortable
with
that
formatting
and
feeling
comfortable
that
yep?
They
can
use
these
user
tools
as
they
move
forward
to
navigate
through
this
very
lengthy
product.
B
Okay,
I
will
start
covering
the
key
changes
and,
once
again
we
foreshadowed
some
of
this
when
we
spoke
to
you
about
this
basic
structure
and
we
kind
of
wrestled
with
some
of
these
issues
over
the
summer
and
then
put
it
into
draft
into
the
draft
module.
Remember
this
is
a
draft.
It's
out
there
to
get
public
comments
it
we
try
to
make
it
look
good
and
internally
consistent,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
final.
B
It's
not
final
at
all
until
we
go
through
all
the
public
engagement
process
and
hear
all
the
comments
that
are
going
to
come
forward.
So
what
I'm
about
to
show
you
is
about
10,
slides
it
and
we're
trying
to
keep
them
on
the
main
points,
not
only
selecting
the
significant
changes
that
you
may
hear
from
your
neighbors
from
your
interest
groups
from
your
business
groups
or
if
you
are
asked
so
what's
changed.
B
This
is
the
kind
of
the
primer
to
that
and
I'm
going
to
preface
it
by
saying
we're
trying
to
point
to
these
issues,
and
if
you
use
a
table
of
contents,
you
can
find
the
section
in
which
these
things
take
place.
I'm
not
going
to
try
to
summarize
the
details
of
every
change.
It's
a
complex
city.
If
it
were
easy,
we
could
have
had
this
done
months
and
months
ago.
So
for
every
rule
there
are
nuances
and
we're
going
to
try
to
cover
all
those
nuances
we're
going
to
try
to
cover
the
main
points.
B
So
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
One
is
this:
we
have
had
discussions
with
you
and
others
over
the
summer
over
dimensional
requirements
lot
and
building
forms
and
dimensions.
That's
about
the
fifth
time
we've
mentioned
it
today.
B
There
it
does
include
recommendations
that
some
of
the
basic
minimum
lot
sizes
for
primarily
residential
development,
be
reduced
and
there's
a
graphic
they're
showing
you
in
proportional
terms
what
the
recommendation
is.
There's
a
scaled.
Drawing
of
a
lot
of
50
by
100
is
a
5
000
square
foot.
Lot
40
by
100
is
a
4
000
square
foot
lot.
That's
that's
one
of
the
recommended
changes
and
in
some
of
the
zone,
districts
r1c.
B
The
recommendation
is
that
we
move
to.
We
adjust
the
minimum
launch
size,
as
is
shown
there
now
that
will
affect
primarily
new
development
in
the
future,
because
it
is
fairly
rare
for
someone
to
come
into
existing
developed
lots
with
houses
on
them,
buy
them
all
and
you'd
have
to
you'd,
buy
five
or
you
know,
buy
four
and
make
five
lots
out
of
it.
Could
it
happen?
Yes?
Does
it
happen
very
often?
B
No,
but
it
is
changing
the
rules
to
try
to
get
at
the
affordability
issue
that
has
been
so
prominent
in
a
in
a
very
standard
way.
Basically,
the
issue
of
what
is
a
standard
lot
is
under
consideration
in
every
city
that
we
work
in
that's
dealing
with
affordability
and
one
of
the
obvious
things
is
reducing
the
land
cost
associated
with
each
house.
B
It
needs
to
be
this
wide
at
the
street
or
that
wide
at
the
streets
is
a
minimum
frontage
requirement
that
constrains
layout
and
in
some
cases,
makes
it
harder
to
develop
unusual
pieces
or
infill
or
leftover
pieces
of
land,
because
they
don't
lay
themselves
out
that
way,
and
so
those
are
removed
and
both
residential
and
commercial,
because
it
it
you
don't
need
it.
Basically,
the
the
basic
lot
size
will
handle
this
and
by
removing
that
restriction,
you
just
allow
more
creative
building.
B
Layouts
next
slide,
that's
one
of
them
dimensional
standards,
the
other
one,
that's
related
to
dimension.
We've
shown
you
before,
and
that
is
we
have.
We
have
strongly
recommended
that
the
the
dwelling
unit
per
acre
measures
be
reduced,
may
be
removed
in
all
the
zones
for
as
an
example
here,
the
you
could
have
if
you
had
a
10,
if
you
had
a
10
dwelling
unit
per
acre
and
you
had
a
an
acreage
requirement
for
each
one,
you
might
only
get
five
units
on
a
piece
of
land.
B
So
what
what
a
lot
just
as
lot
sizes
are
key
when
you
get
into
multi-family,
when
you
adopt
a
dwelling
unit
per
acre
minimum,
it
basically
forces
developers
to
build
bigger
and
usually
more
fewer,
bigger,
more
expensive
units
on
the
same
piece
of
land
and
we're
trying
to
say
one
things
we
can
do
is
to
help
you
meet
the
market.
If
people
can
afford
smaller
apartments
and
you
can
park
it
in
there,
you
can
get
your
parking
on
your
site.
B
You
can
get
your
landscaping,
get
your
open
space,
we're
not
going
to
put
this
artificial
number
on
there.
That
says!
Well,
you
could
build
a
building
this
big,
but
it
can
only
contain
x
units
we're
allowing
the
market
to
try
to
respond
by
putting
in
as
many
units
as
they
can
on
that
lot
provided
open
space
parking.
Everything
else
meets
the
code.
So
that's
another
key
change.
Next
one
we've
talked
about
this
many
times
and
I
think
all
of
you
may
have
memorized
it
by
now,
but
this
is
a
little
bit
more
detail.
B
We
have
said,
regardless
of
what
the
maximum
height
is
in
an
activity
center
or
a
mixed
use
district.
If
you
are
near
a
low
density
residential
zone,
then
one
of
two
things
has
to
happen.
The
top
drawing
says
you
need
to
keep
any
portion
of
that
building
within
a
hundred
feet
of
the
property
line
of
that
house,
no
higher
than
35
feet.
So
you
don't
have
to
push
the
whole
building
back.
The
drawing
illustrates
it.
B
Now
on
the
bottom
show
it
says
you
got
an
alternative,
you
could
build
it
taller,
but
you
have
to
add
10
feet
of
setback,
so
you
got
a
choice.
You
can
bring
the
building
down
and
build
it
just
as
close
to
the
house
as
you
could
otherwise
or
you
could
leave
it
up
and
at
the
maximum
height
and
give
10
more
feet
of
setback.
So
you
are
pushing
it
back
away
from
the
house.
Further
we'd
love
your
comments
on
this.
Often
it
is
a
topic,
that's
debated,
is
the
right
number
50
feet?
B
Is
it
10
feet
more
setback,
or
should
it
be
15
or
20?
Is
it
100
feet
or
is
it
should
be
50
feet?
The
point
is
the
numbers
are
right
when
you
say
they're
right,
the
concept
is
we,
you
cannot
do
a
very
tall
building
in
an
activity
center
or
along
a
core
arterial.
That
is
right
next
to
the
back
of
a
house
without
bringing
it
down
and
being
a
good
neighbor.
That's
the
principle.
Next
one
there
are
bonuses
in
the.
Why
don't
we
stop
and
take
a
hand?
F
Yeah,
a
clarification
is
that
only
when
two
zoning
types
connect
to
each
other,
I'm
thinking
interior,
to
say
an
r3
zone
where,
if
there
is
a
single
family
home
on
an
r3
lot,
would
all
these
rules
apply
on
adjacent
r3
lots
within
an
r3
general
zone?
Or
is
this
only
a
transition
between
different
types
of
zones?
I.
B
Am
trying
to
look
that
up,
so
I
don't
give
you
a
bad
answer.
Give
me
a
second
to
do
this
right,
I'm
going
to
make
sure
it
is
here's
I'm
going
to
read
it
to
you,
patrick.
It
applies
to
all
lots
in
r2
or
r3
zone
districts
that
contain
a
principal
use
other
than
a
single
family,
detached
duplex,
triplex
or
fourplex
dwelling
that
about
so
the
answer
is
it
doesn't
apply
just
when
the
lot
changes
it
applies
even
in
the
same
zone,
district,
those
zone
districts.
F
B
I
quote:
yeah
that's
right
and
that
would
be
found
on
page
180.
If
you
want
to
make
a
comment
on
that,
the
that
I
read
you
half
of
it,
because
that
is
the
half
that
I
thought
you
were
asking
about.
The
other
half
says
any
mixed
use
of
special
purpose
zone
districts
that
have
a
side
or
rear
lot
line.
B
G
B
Yep,
it
is
in
180,
and
the
question
was:
we
also
got
a
question
in
the
chat
related
to
this.
Does
it
apply
when,
when
you
have
commercial
next
to
residential?
The
answer
is
the
second
part
of
that
triggering
mechanism.
Is.
It
also
applies
to
all
lots
located
in
any
mixed
use
or
special
purpose
districts
that
have
side
or
rear
lot
lines,
abutting
the
r1l,
r1b
or
r1c
districts?
So
wherever
you
have
a
a
break
between
the
low
density,
residential
districts
and
any
mixed
use
or
special
purpose
district,
they
also
apply
there.
G
B
G
H
Yeah
I
just
as
a
you
know
as
experts.
You
know
what
was
your
logic
in
wanting
to
exactly
like
in
this
figure
looking
at
the
top
diagram
that
the
building
would
have
to
match
the
residential
building
height,
because
I
mean
I
think,
you're
acknowledging
that
there's
a
transition
here
right,
you're
going
from
residential
to
larger
buildings,
and
so
it
strikes
me
just
you
know,
aesthetically
that
you
would
that
it.
You
would
expect
it
to
be.
You
wouldn't
want
it
to
be
like
10
stories
tall
but
having
it,
you
know
somewhat
taller.
H
B
It's
basically
it's
an.
This
is
a
standard
approach.
We've
used
in
a
lot
of
communities
and
the
reason
is
the
least
threatening
thing
about
the
neighboring,
larger
scale.
Development
to
a
person
owning
a
single
family
house
is
to
say
the
portion
of
it
closer
to
your
house
will
be
no
taller
than
your
house,
so
we
have
in
some
places
said
it
can
be
10
feet
taller,
but
that's
rare
and,
and
I'm
just
giving
you
the
honest
answer.
B
The
answer
is
you're
worried
about
it
being
tall
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
objective
standards
that
will
help
in
many
cases,
accommodate
density
along
collectors
and
arterials
that
automatically
do
back
up
to
residential
neighborhoods.
How
do
you
do
that
without
scaring
the
adjacent
homeowner
or
leading
to
people
saying
well?
B
B
Let's
go
to
the
next:
let's
go
all
right,
we're
getting
some
chat
in
the
neighbors
andre.
Would
you
like
me
to
continue
through
these
key
changes
or
and
take
the
questions
in
the
chat
at
the
end.
A
B
So,
as
I've
said,
all
of
the
numbers
here
are
subject
to
whatever
you
think
whatever
the
city
as
a
whole
believes
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
think
the
principle
is
important
and
for
I
hate
to
repeat
myself,
but
I
will
you
don't
want
to
have,
if
possible,
a
discretionary
discussion
or
negotiation
each
time,
residential
that
you
want
to
keep
low
residential
abuts
areas
that
blueprint,
boise
and
other
areas
say
need
to
accommodate
more
density,
they're
on
the
edges
and
they're
on
streets
that
could
accommodate
more
things
or
they're
a
designated
activity
center.
B
There
ought
to
be
a
standard
approach
to
that
and
the
one
that
it
numbers
are
variable.
The
question
is:
if
you
don't
do
that,
you
result
in
pushback
saying:
well,
then
I
don't
want
that
densification
and
that
densification
in
the
places
where
blueprint
boise
calls
for
it
is
a
pretty
fundamental
part
of
blueprint.
Boise.
I
Yeah
thanks
don
the
questions
on
that
one
and
what
if,
for
example,
it
was
along
a
corridor
where,
on
one
side
of
the
corridor
you
had
r3
on
the
other
side,
we
had
a
new
mixed-use
zone
with
that
100
feet.
Is
it?
Are
we
talking
about
just
directly
abutting
on
property
lines?
That's
right!
It's
directly.
B
B
As
we
mentioned
earlier.
There
are
incentives
built
into
this
built
into
module
module.
Two
we
have
tried
to
narrow
them
down
and
the
new
one
is
an
attempt
to
encourage
more
sustainable
and
resilient
development.
After
talking
this
through
with
staff
and
getting
comments
over
the
over
the
course
of
the
summer,
what
it
does
is
give
incentives,
prime
for
in
exchange
for
basically
doing
there's
a
menu
of
seven
things
that
would
help
reduce
energy
consumption
or
water
consumption,
and
we
decided
to
focus
on
those
two
things.
B
B
So
in
general,
our
strong
advice
is
that
you
focus
on
the
things
that
are
measurable
and
that
are
important
and
in
general,
the
two
that
have
risen
to
the
top
of
the
pile
so
far
in
a
draft
that
is
ready
for
your
review
are
energy
savings
and
water
savings,
and
that
is
another
thing
you
can
take
a
look
at
that
that
that
will
start.
If
you
want
to
take
notes.
B
It
starts
on
page
of
I
think
about
190.,
and
because
there
are
it's
fair
game
to
debate
and
say,
I
think
we
ought
to
be
incenting
it
differently
or
different
things.
But
that's
in
here
the
big
change,
a
significant
change
by
the
way,
the
intent-
and
I
think
we've
mentioned
this
before-
is
that
these
incentives
would
be
more
or
less
automatic.
B
B
If
you
think
it's
too
generous
comment,
if
you
think
it's
not
generous
enough
comment,
but
it
is
much
easier
to
change
behavior
when
somebody
says,
if
I
do
this,
I
know
I
will
get
that
next,
one
active
alternative
transportation.
We
have
talked
about
parking
and
gabby
pointed
out
where
the
parking
regulations
and
adjustments
are
made.
We,
this
came
up
in
module
one
two
a
little
bit,
but
we
have
recommended
reducing
the
off-street
parking
requirements
for
single-family,
duplex,
triplex
and
fourplexes
from
two
to
one
per
unit.
That
will
provoke
some
real
discussion
in
the
neighborhoods.
B
It's
all
it
is
our
recommendation
and
it
has
been
vetted
up
and
down
with
staff
that
we
really
ought
to
do
this
it.
It's
helpful
to
keep
this
in
context
in
the
sense
that
there
are
cities
out
there
that
are
just
repealing
minimum
parking
altogether.
This
recommendation
is
to
cut
it
for
housing
it
doesn't.
These
are
not
subject
to
a
maximum.
B
It
does
not
say
that
you
can't
put
two
or
more
parking
for
single
family
and
up
to
a
four
plex
says
you
don't
have
to,
and
that's
going
to
be
something
we
want
to
call
to
your
attention,
because
it
will
be
of
interest
to
many
people
in
for
commercial
and
multi-family
developments.
We
have
included,
and
I
was
trying
to
count
them
up.
B
It's
maybe
between
a
quarter
and
a
third
of
the
commercial
uses
that
have
a
potential
to
over
park
to
try
to
park
for
the
you
know
what
we
used
to
say
before
covet
and
before
the
internet.
You
know
the
sunday
after
thanksgiving
the
biggest
parking
day
that
could
ever
possibly
happen
here
which
to
pushes
things
apart,
drives
up
land
costs
and
impervious
service.
So
we
have
tried
to
judiciously
insert
maximum
parking
to
those
uses
which
we
think
are
actually
have
a
potential
to
do
it.
B
There
are
many
many
uses
out
there
that
do
not
the
odds
on
them.
Over
parking
are
nil
or
almost
nil
or
they're.
Small
facilities,
where
the
difference
between
six
cars
and
eight
cars
is
not
going
to
make
a
difference
in
walkability
or
a
substantial
difference
in
anything
else,
and
so
it
tends
to
focus
on
larger,
more
complex
facilities,
but
we'd
love
your
comments
on
that.
The
issue
of
maximum
parking
is
always
an
issue
with
the
business
community.
B
Quality
design.
Building
y
excuse
me:
quality,
building,
designed
citywide.
You
have
you're
currently
they're
the
d
districts,
but
we
have
pulled
them
into
the
body
of
the
code.
It
is
no
longer
an
overlay
district
of
d
or
dd
it
as
they
are
based
on
these
two
documents
that
you
see,
images
of,
but
basically
we've
pulled
in
parts
of
those
and
made
them
apply
generally
throughout
the
city.
B
Without
whether
or
not
they're
in
the
d
map
or
the
dd
map
we've,
we,
we
clarion
found
it
confusing
as
to
where
those
apply
where
they
don't
apply.
Boise
blueprint
boise
talks
in
terms
of
improved
design,
quality
throughout
the
city,
especially
for
multi-family
and
commercial
products,
and
so
basically,
we've
we've
broadened
the
applicability.
B
B
Access
and
connectivity
is
a
new
chapter.
I
think
we've
highlighted
it
before
it
was
in
the
table
of
contents.
Gabby
showed
you
because
of
the
importance
of
this
bicycle:
pedestrian
and
vehicle
access
and
connectivity
to
air
quality,
to
walkability,
to
public
health,
to
social
interaction.
There's
a
new
chapter:
now
it's
not
kind
of
parts
of
many
different
chapters
like
the
subdivision
standards,
we've
pulled
them
into
one
place:
to
try
to
coordinate
them,
there's
a
new
section
that
creates
standards
for
driveways,
construction
of
streets,
pathways,
bicycles,
cars
and
delivery
vehicles.
B
So
here's
the
issue,
but
I'm
calling
your
attention
to
it,
because
it's
a
new
chapter,
because
it
highlights
something
that
was
highlighted
in
blueprint
boise
and
frankly,
in
almost
every
code
that
we're
drafting
these
days
for
larger
cities.
They
do
this.
They
are
calling
out
and
saying
look.
This
is
a
big
deal
we
have
to
you
need
to
think
about
this.
B
As
you
lay
out
your
development
or
redevelopment,
it
may
require
you
to
put
in
more
connectivity
than
was
there
before
and
if
you're
planning
raw
land
you
may
have
to
put
in
more
connectivity
than
you
thought
you
would
have
to
so
now.
But
it's
an
issue
because,
as
any
builder
will
tell
you
streets
are
not
only
expensive
to
build,
but
they
take
out
land
that
could
otherwise
be
used
for
housing
or
for
or
tax
paying
properties.
So
finding
the
balance.
B
B
And
finally,
this
new
chapter
on
operations
and
maintenance?
Zoning
ordinances
are
often
written
as
if,
well
you
got
to
meet
all
our
criteria
and
once
we
all
nod
and
smile
and
raise
our
hands
and
you
get
your
approval
go,
and
the
truth
is
that,
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
it
is
also
important
how
you
maintain
your
property.
B
So
it
is
a
new
section
dealing
with
the
duty
to
maintain
landscaping,
lighting
sign
other
things
in
good
condition,
clean
your
condition
and,
frankly,
clarifying
that
the
failure
to
maintain
these
things
is
a
violation
of
the
ordinance.
If
your
site
plan
was
approved
by
trees
and
the
trees
all
die,
you
need
to
replace
the
trees.
That
was
the
condition
on
the
approval.
It's
not
well,
you
know
I
can't
help
it,
they
died.
B
Getting
feedback
here,
but
I
think
we're
almost
done
next
slide,
that's
it
we
are
done.
I
don't
know
if
that
was
too
much
detail
or
too
little
detail.
B
It
is
hard
for
you
to
know
because
you
don't
have
it
in
your
hands,
but
within
a
couple
hours
you
will-
and
you
might
want
to
refer
back
to
this
in
terms
of
things
that
we
thought
we
really
wanted
to
call
your
attention
to
and
hear
your
comments
on,
or
maybe
you
have
questions
right
now
about
things
we
didn't
cover
or
that
you
just
disagree
with
or
agree
with.
Yes,
daniel
yeah.
H
So
I
was
curious
about
the
you
know:
the
application
of
the
city-wide
design
standards
so
is
the
hope
there
that
that
will
increase
predictability.
I
mean
I
know
that
this
one
is
one
of
the
goals
that
we
have.
That
andrew
read
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
so
is,
is
that
is:
was
it
just
to
be
consistent
or
was
or
do
you
see
that
as
a
mechanism
for
providing
guidance?
But
again,
if
you
follow
these
rules,
then
then
it's
going
to
get
approved
and
there's
you've
kind
of
taken.
B
B
The
four
are,
it
basically
says:
building
entrances
you
need
to
have
in
been
tailored
by
zone
districts,
but
building
interest
is
facing
the
street.
You
need
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
glazing
and
transparency
facing
the
street
and
you
need
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
articulation
to
break
up
the
building
facade.
B
Now
you
will
you
deal
with
all
of
those
things
right
now
in
your
design
standards,
but
as
we
understand
it,
they
are
part
of
a
negotiated
process.
In
most
newer
codes,
those
aspects
are
codified
and
the
negotiations
through
a
designer
process
are
are
over
the
remaining
aspects
of
it.
If
you
disagree,
then
you
probably
want
those
codified
portions
to
be
taken
out,
but
that's
what
we've
codified
and
we
do
think
it'll
increase
predictability.
That
was
the
goal.
A
But
there
was
nowhere
in
our
code
that
required
buildings
to
be
moved
to
the
street.
There
was
nothing
that
required
building
entrances
to
access
the
roadway
and
if
we
want
to
support
transit,
if
we
want
to
support
walkability
and
pedestrian
friendliness,
those
are
all
key
items
that
are
important
and
even
looking
at.
Not
only
is
it
a
predictability
factor,
but
an
encouraging
people
to
use
our
sidewalk
system
and
our
transit
system.
A
J
On
the
last
item
that
you
mentioned,
the
maintenance
requirement
does
will
that
apply
to
the
building
proper
in
terms
of
landscaping,
we
have
some
buildings
that
were
recently
approved
where
the
landscaping
is
part
of
the
building
attached
to
the
building
on
multiple
levels
on
parking
garages.
J
B
So,
as
I
read
it,
and
by
the
way
when
you
it's,
the
the
the
section
on
on
operations
and
maintenance
is
pretty
short,
it
starts
on
page
307.
The
answer
is
no
to
your
first
question
and
we
you
can
comment
one
way
or
the
other,
but
it
said
it
only
applies
to
landscaping
required
by
the
code.
B
B
Sometimes,
operations
and
maintenance
is
an
exception
to
that,
because
we're
not
requiring
that
you
tear
down
anything
we're
not
requiring
that
you
build
anything.
All
we're
saying
is
if,
at
the
time
your
property
was
approved
back
in
2010,
it
required
the
landscaping.
Then
you
need
to
maintain
it.
So
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
for
that.
Usually
it
would
be
proactive,
but
it
would
not
be
unusual
for
the
city
to
want
to
make
that
retroactive
for
things
that
were
required
by
the
code.
A
And
jessica,
just
to
add
on
to
that
too,
in
this
specific
example
that
you
gave
the
landscaping
that
would
be
in
those
overhang
landscaping
items,
that's
something
for
us
as
staff,
as
well
as
our
elected
and
appointed
officials,
to
really
note
that
you
know
if
that
is
something
that
adds
to
the
architectural
design
of
the
building
or
is
of
something
important,
then
we
would
go
ahead
and
put
a
condition
of
approval.
That
said
that
those
items
need
to
be
maintained
in
good
health,
so
I
believe
in
that
particular
design
review
application.
B
Well,
we
don't
remedies
are
usually
put
in
module
three.
So
the
short
answer
is
most
codes.
When
we
write
when
we
write
module,
3,
there's
usually
a
section
on
what
is
a
violation
of
the
ordinance
and
what
are
the
city's
steps
in
telling
you
you're
in
violation
and
allowing
you
a
chance
to
bring
it
back
into
compliance
and
what
are
the
penalties
and
usually
they're,
not
separately
written
for
zoning?
There
are
standard
municipal
penalties
that
apply.
B
If,
if
you
go
through
your
you
got
a
letter,
you
didn't
respond,
they
gave
you
another
letter,
you
didn't
respond,
they
gave
you
30
days,
you
didn't
respond
and
now
the
fines
kick
in,
but
I
so
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
your
question.
Except
most
cities
decide
that
they
are.
There
are
standard
penalties
for
violating
the
city
code
and
those
are
what
apply
to
you.
If
you
do
not
bring
your
property
into
compliance.
A
There
are
some
other
avenues
to
where
if
somebody
does
not
repair
a
tree
that
has
been
removed,
the
city
can
go
in
plant
the
tree
and
then
ask
for
reimbursement.
So
there
are,
there
are
some
alternatives
that
are
appropriate
and
we
can
utilize
as
well.
D
B
We
we
agree
completely
and,
and
although
we
haven't
drafted
this
and
frankly
I
I
can't
even
remember
what
your
current
violation
of
penalties
things
are,
but
all
all
enforcement
chapters
of
zoning
ordinances
these
days
are
written
with
the
goal
of
bringing
properties
into
compliance.
The
point
is
not
to
get
the
money
it's
it's.
The
city
may
end
up
spending
more
money
than
it
gains
on
those
penalties.
That's
not
the
point
and
it's
it's
a
trivial
contribution
to
the
city's
budget.
B
Are
there
any
other
questions
about
the
you
know,
the
the
top
ten
or?
However,
I
didn't
count
them
top
x
things
because
otherwise,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
take
a
short
break,
andrea
or
move
on.
A
We
will
have
a
short
break
if
anybody
does
not
have
anything
additional
that
they
would
like
to
present
out
there
in
the
chat.
We
did
have
some
discussions
that
people
were
really
really
supportive
of
parking
reductions,
as
well
as
the
connectivity
standards
as
well.
So
those
were
all
very
well
received
by
a
number
of
our
individuals.
So
and
then
it
looks
like
daniel
has
his
hand
up
again.
H
Yeah
don,
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
you
know.
You
kick
things
off
with
the
minimum
lot
size
going
down
to
4,
000
feet
and
again
just
sort
of
what
was
the
thinking
around
that
number.
You
said
you
know
100
by
40..
I
was
just
you
know.
Looking
at
some
of
the
lots
out
at
harris
ranch,
you
know
which
is
a
recent.
You
know.
H
Recent
development
and
some
of
those
slots
are,
I
think,
are
3200
square
feet
so,
like
so
there's
a
kind
of
a
market
example
of
you
know,
developers
wanting
and
making
you
know,
there's
a
market
demand
for
smaller
lots
than
4
000
square
feet
so,
and
I
think
also
certainly
thinking
about
within
the
state
limits.
You
know
you
know
if
there
are
larger
lots.
You
know
then
there's
potential
to
create
more
help.
B
Yeah
you're
exactly
right
and
there
are,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
there
are
cities
out
there
and
we
have
been
involved
in
places.
Sorry,
I'm
I'm
flipping
through,
because
I
want
to
get
to
the
dimensional
tables.
So
I
can
give
you
a
more
detailed
answer,
just
a
second
and
then
I
will
indeed
answer
your
question.
I
want
to
make
sure,
but
I
wanna
just
give
me
a
second
here
we
go
page.
167
is
the
first
of
these
things.
B
So
I
wanted
to
point
out,
first
of
all
that
that
was
the
number
for
r1c
and
we
were
trying
r1c
there's
a
lot
of
land
in
in
r1c
and
it
was
a
deliberate
choice
to
say
everybody
should
contribute
to
the
achievement
of
the
blueprint,
boise
goals,
which
include
housing,
affordability
and
housing,
diversity
of
type
and
here
in
an
area
where
many
many
people
care
a
lot
about
the
quality
of
their
neighborhood.
We're
going
to
take
a
you
know,
a
20
reduction
you're
exactly
right.
We
have
seen
3
200
square
feet.
B
There
are
many
parts
of
america
planted
at
2,
500
square
feet,
lots
25
by
100.,
so
it
was,
but
that's
r1c.
I
didn't
want
to
point
out
in
r2
it
is
2500
square
feet
and
in
r3
for
a
single
family
detached
it
is
2
000
square
feet.
So
it's
basically
a
sliding
scale
r1
each
one
of
them
has
a
reduction
that
allows
a
smaller
lot
than
you
could
do
before,
and
there
are
places
there
are
zone
districts
that
allow
a
minimum
lot
size
of
2000
or
2500
square
feet.
B
I
I
will
say
this
and
then
I'll
probably
regret
saying
it.
If
we
went
from
5
000
to
2,
500
I'd
probably
be
run
out
of
town
on
a
rail,
and
therefore
it
was
an
attempt
to
do
something
reasonable
that
would
be
perceived
as
reasonable
and
and
not
terribly
threatening
to
people
who
are
used
to
5
000
square
foot,
lots
in
their
neighborhoods
and
and
future
neighborhoods
sort
of
like
the
ones
they
live
in.
H
None
of
us
want
to
be
running
out
of
town
on
rail,
but
we
also
want
to
you
know,
see
opportunities
to
kind
of
stay
within
scale,
but
also
do
infill
development
in
a
meaningful
way,
and
so
I
guess
and
again
just
that
by
as
point
of
information
have
you
seen,
I
mean
I
guess
one
of
my
concerns
and
maybe
it's
it's
misplaced,
but
is
that
at
that
relatively
s
that
that
policy
would
really
bind
you
know
would
have
an
impact
in
in
new
developments
where
you're
having
new
plats,
but
it
would
not
have
much
impact
on
infill
development
where
you
know
so
it's
not
you
know
so
you,
whereas
if
you
had
a
smaller
amount,
then
someone
could
potentially
subdivide
and
build.
H
You
know
and
have
a
separate
lot
right,
and
so
have
you
seen
so
so
what
is
like?
How
has
that
decision
played
out
in
other
communities
where
people
say
well
actually
like
the
idea
that
people
some
people
might
be
able
to
subdivide
and
we'd
get?
You
know
new
houses
on
on
some
of
our
existing
lots?
So,
what's
the
amount
of
the
reduction
that
you
would
need?
Well,
you
would
actually
see
that
as
a
that
that
would
actually
come
to
pass
over
time.
B
It's
a
good
question
daniel.
I
think
it's
a
site-specific
question
we'd
have
to
take
a
look
at
your
infill
parcels
and
see,
and-
and
we
we
have
your
your
staff-
has
good
data
they've
given
it
to
us,
but
I
don't
know
which
ones
are
infil
and
undeveloped.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
straightforward
answer
to
your
question.
B
We
have
had
negative
pushback
when
the
the
more
you
have
neighbors
saying
you
mean
that
if
this
vacant
lot
next
to
me
and
the
one
next
to
them
could
be
subdivided
into
four
lots:
they're
two
lots
now
and
I'm
expecting
two
houses.
But
with
this
new
rule
they
could
put
four
lots
where
they
could.
Two
now
you
get
major
pushback.
So
that
is
part
of
this
is
a
political
question.
You
mean
you're,
doubling
the
density
in
my
neighborhood.
The
answer
is
no.
B
This
could
lead
to
a
20
increase
because
it's
a
20
reduction
in
lot
size.
So
I'm
there
is
no
science
to
this
daniel.
But
I'd
love
to
have
your
comments,
and
if
people
want
to
reduce
it,
it
would
help
affordability.
It
is
mostly
a
matter
of
of
trying
to
portray
this
as
a
reasoned,
balanced
approach
that
in
which
all
the
residential
neighborhoods
will
contribute
to
affordability.
But
no
one
is
being
asked
to
radically
change
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood
they
bought
into.
K
A
And
yes,
one
of
our
individuals
has
noted
that
ed
mccluskey
does
have
his
hand
raised.
We
will
get
to
all
of
our
attendees
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
as
we've
done
with
all
of
our
others.
So
everybody
will
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
comment,
but
unfortunately
we
do
not
have
the
ability
to
address
attendees
comments
as
we
go
through,
but
we
are
looking
good
for
time.
So
I
believe
everybody
should
have
ample
time
to
provide
comment
once
we
get
to
that
section.
A
A
All
right,
it
is
405,
so
I
would
like
to
introduce
you
to
lindsay
moser
she's
with
our
community
engagement,
division
and
she's,
going
to
give
you
a
brief
tutorial
of
what
you're
going
to
be
able
to
find
on
the
website
how
you
can
participate,
how
we
got
to
the
level
involvement
that
we
did,
and
I
shall
really
walk
you
through
that,
based
upon
what
we
heard
from
you.
What
we've
heard
from
our
community,
as
well
as
the
specific
request
from
our
neighbors.
L
Hear
me:
okay,
sound
great
great,
thank
you,
okay,
so
before
I
jump
in
just
kind
of
want
to
give
a
quick
recap
of
how
we've
gotten
to
this
point
and
then
how
we
plan
on
moving
forward,
so
we
had
module
one
outreach
in
the
spring.
A
lot
of
the
feedback
that
we
heard
from
you
all
as
well
as
the
community,
is
that
a
lot
of
this
is
very
confusing
and
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
breaking
down
the
modules
and
bringing
it
more
into
a
community
focused
language.
L
You
ask
for
a
more
robust
engagement
plan
for
module
two
and
we'll
kind
of
go
through
some
of
those
items
here
in
a
moment.
Okay,
let's
move
to
the
next
slide.
L
So
today,
at
five
o'clock,
as
we've
mentioned
several
times
on
our
website
and
andrea,
will
also
send
you
these
materials
we'll
go,
live
with
all
the
information
that
we
have
discussed
here
today.
So
a
couple
of
the
first
things
that
we
provided
was
how
to
read
module
two,
so
this
is
kind
of
an
infographic
that
we
discussed
and
a
lot
of
information
that
gabby
brought
up
earlier.
You
know
how
to
read
it
certain
sections
that
might
apply
to
you
or
you
might
be
most
interested
in
and
we
also
provide
a
dimension
reference
guide.
L
So
when
we
reference
five
feet
for
the
general
person,
you
might
have
a
hard
time
thinking
what
that
is,
so
that
will
all
be
available
on
our
website
and
also
downloadable
as
a
pdf.
L
The
second
is
the
executive
summary.
This
covers
pretty
much
a
lot
of
the
items
that
don
discussed
earlier,
but
we
really
tried
to
break
it
down
into
more
community,
focused
language
and
help.
The
community
understand
why
these
proposed
changes
are
what
they
are
a
lot
of
times.
We
also
reference
blueprint,
boise
and
how
it
shapes.
A
lot
of
these
proposed
changes
again,
the
executive
summaries
about
six
pages
that
we
put
together.
It's
not
exhaustive
of
everything,
but
everything
that
we
thought
was
probably
most
important
to
the
community
and
then.
L
Lastly,
as
you'll,
see
in
the
middle
is
the
conversion
map.
We
created
a
story
map
in
the
gis
system.
That's
pretty
interactive,
so
you
can
see
the
existing
code
as
well
as
the
proposed
zone
changes
and
you
can
zoom
in
to
maybe
specific
neighborhoods
that
you
might
be
looking
in
or
even
your
own
home,
and
that
will.
M
L
L
So
on
the
screen.
Right
now,
these
are
all
of
the
community
outreach
events
that
we
have
planned
for
the
next
couple
of
months.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
these
are
all
outward
facing
very
community
focused,
as
I
had
presented
back
in
december,
so
we
have
seven
of
the
neighborhood
planning
area
meetings.
L
As
you
can
see,
the
first
one
will
be
on
february,
8th
with
the
central
bench,
and
then
this
also
includes
all
the
work
sessions
that
we'll
be
going
throughout
the
city
and
our
commissions
as
well.
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
these
are
only
public.
We
have
several
meetings
scheduled
with
a
lot
of
more
of
the
technical
groups
privately
and
if
you
have
a
group
that
you
are
interested
in
having
more
of
a
one-on-one
conversation
with
our
group
and
having
an
outreach
event,
please
reach
out
to
us
we're
happy
to
do
so.
L
Within
these
events,
we
do
have
four
additional
excuse
me
within
the
seven
neighborhood,
on
top
of
the
seven
neighborhood
events,
we
also
have
four
community
events.
Some
of
those
are
virtual.
Some
of
those
are
in
person
as
well.
Two
of
those
are
a
combined
event.
Those
are
focused
on
housing
and
the
zoning
code
rewrite
as
we
continue
to
have
both
these
conversations.
We
really
thought
that
they
interject
and
the
conversation
should
be
had
together.
L
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
So
as
I've
kind
of
brought
up
a
few
times,
our
outreach
strategy
is
to
go
neighborhood
specific
to
those
planning
areas
within
each
of
those
areas.
We
will
have
a
couple
different
examples
from
a
local
architect.
One
will
be
commercial
and
one
will
be
residential,
we'll
be
highlighting
specific
changes
with
with
each
of
those
examples
of
what
might
be
changing
your
neighborhood.
L
So
a
huge
thing
that
we
want
to
reiterate
is
that
we
are
really
trying
to
encourage
people
to
attend
their
local
neighborhood
meeting
and
really
that's
because
you
understand
where
you
live,
and
you
can
provide
comment
to
those
specific
areas.
Of
course,
we
also
have
the
community-wide
ones
that
we
are
happy
to
welcome
everybody
to
join
those
ones
as
well.
As
you
saw
previously,
there's
a
large
list
of
events
that
those
will
be
open
for
registration
at
five
o'clock
as
well.
L
Next
slide
perfect.
We
will
have
two
surveys.
These
will
not
be
available
today
we're
going
to
give
the
community
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
digest
module
two
first
before
we
put
these
out
to
the
community,
so
those
will
be
coming
out
in
the
coming
weeks.
The
first
one
will
be
a
technical
survey,
which
is
very
detailed,
it's
quite
lengthy,
but
we
think
for
some
of
the
more
frequent
users.
This
is
a
really
good
opportunity
to
provide
us
some
really
concrete
feedback.
L
L
At
the
end
of
this
event,
we're
also
planning
a
survey
street
team
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
we'll
take
a
lot
of
our
staff
team
and
head
out
into
the
community
kind
of
pop-ups
trying
to
get
people
to
encourage
to
take
the
survey
any
education
that
we
can
provide
on
the
zoning
code
rewrite
as
well
as
putting
posters
around
town
with
the
link
to
the
survey.
This
is
kind
of
testing
the
best
results
for
us
on
how
to
get
a
better
response
rate
throughout
the
community.
L
On
some
of
these
surveys,
next
slide,
please
that
kind
of
wraps
up
for
just
general
outreach
that
we
have
planned
again,
not
completely
exhausted.
Those
are
just
the
public
facing
events
that
we're
focusing
on.
N
Hi
and
thank
you
sparing
you
my
background.
I
was
wondering
in
the
past.
I
have
read
what
a
successful
response
rate
would
be
like
how
to
set
our
expectations,
because
I
wasn't
able
to
attend
the
last
meeting,
but
I
did
listen
to
the
video.
Thank
you
and
there's
always
concern
about
how
many
people
participate,
but
I
also
know
that
not
everybody
participates.
So
is
there
a
response
rate
level
that
would
help
us
monitor
our
own
expectations
for
what
we
hear
from
our
community.
N
Both,
I
think
both
I
mean
and
obviously
outreach
in
the
time
of
the
covit
is,
is
probably
skewed,
so
I
know
we
have
to
take
that
into
consideration,
because
I
so,
for
example,
I
know
people
expect
100
percent
participation,
but
I
know
that's
totally
unrealistic.
N
L
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I
think
a
lot
of
us.
We
really
focus
on
the
quality
of
the
conversations
too,
not
necessarily
the
quantity.
Of
course
we
love
to
get
a
lot
of
survey
results
back,
and
I
think
you
know
the
last
survey
we
sent
you
all
kind
of
what
that
recap
looked
like.
I
think
we
had
over
a
thousand
people.
Take
it
a
thousand
comments,
that's
a
good
benchmark
for
us
like
okay,
that's
what
we
heard
from
the
first
module.
L
That's
a
good
starting
point,
moving
forward,
at
least
in
terms
of
the
survey
and
then
in
terms
of
the
conversations
with
the
neighborhoods.
I
think
again
the
quality
we're
doing
our
best
job
that
we
can.
You
know
we're
reaching
out
to
our
neighborhood
associations
heading
out
to
multi-family
units
to
make
sure
people
are
aware
of
the
conversations
that
are
happening
and
doing
the
best
that
we
can
to
reach
as
broad-based
audience
that
we
can.
So.
L
I
wish
I
had
a
more
specific
answer,
but
that's
just
kind
of
the
general
benchmarks
that
we're
following
again
focusing
on
the
quality
of
the
feedback.
N
So
lindsay,
I'm
just
gonna
add
one
more
thing,
because
I
know
there's
others
with
questions.
I
know
in
my
neighborhood
association
there
isn't
much
information
that
comes
to
my
neighbors
directly.
It
just
happens
to
be
that
I'm
interested
so
I
I
attend
some
of
the
neighborhood
association
meetings,
so
through
energize
or
whoever
the
city
might
be
able
to
focus
it.
I
know
that
neighborhood
associations
also
get
funding
to
send
information
out
to
neighbors,
so
I
I
think
that
would
be
by
mail.
N
O
E
Thanks
lindsay,
I
just
said
so:
I
attended
the
adu
pilot
program.
Presentation
that
you
all
put
on
it
was
really
great.
Both
of
those
were
great.
E
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
format
of
these
community
outreach
efforts
will
take
if
it's
sort
of
a
presentation
followed
by
questions
comments
or
if
it's
a
workshop
format.
What
can
I
tell
people
to
expect.
L
Yeah
great
question:
byron
I'll,
just
kind
of
give
you
a
general
guideline
or
outline
of
what
we
think
these
conversations
are
going
to
look
like
so
far
again,
our
first
one
is
in
a
couple
weeks
and
then
we'll
go
from
there,
so
the
general
thought
is
to
kind
of
have
a
general
conversation
about
blueprint,
boise
and
how
it's
still
relevant
today
then
move
into
some
of
these
key
changes
that
we
talked
about
just
in
general,
again
kind
of
a
nice
conversation
and
then
dive
into
some
of
the
examples
that
we
have
on
the
neighborhood
level
that
are
residential
and
commercial.
L
Now
some
of
these
groups
do
provide
bigger
groups
to
be
events
essentially,
so,
if
we
decide
we
want
to
do
breakout
groups,
we
might
do
so
depending
on
what
the
attendance
looks
like
for
sign
ups
as
well
as
using.
I
can't
I
think
you
might
have
been
there
for
one
of
the
housing
ones
that
we
did
using
up
the
tool
called
slido
as
well,
so
just
turn
we're
trying
to
get
a
little
bit
more
creative
on
some
of
these
outreach
events.
L
K
Hi
thanks,
maybe
I
was
asleep,
but
maybe
could
you
explain
to
me
how
these
outreach
events
are
being
presented
to
the
public?
Besides
being
on
the
boise
city
website?
K
I've
looked
at
this
list
that
was
sent
out
this
week
of
all
the
events
that
had
taken
place
this
last
two
years
and
aside
from
the
city-wide
advisory
committee
meetings,
I
don't
remember
hearing
about
a
single
one
of
these.
I
know
that
you
guys
are
should
be
providing
tools
for
us
so
that
we
could
have
decent
input
here.
I
would
appreciate
it
if
at
least
we
heard
from
the
city.
K
You
know
our
committee
heard
from
the
city
on
you
know
these
events
happening,
and
you
know
I'm
seeing
that
you
know
I
was
on
the
radio,
some
basement
radio
channel.
K
The
radio
station
before
you
know
like
elevator,
music
or
something
I
don't
even
know
what
it
was.
But
can
we
get
more
information
out?
I
think
roberta
had
mentioned,
maybe
the
mail
or
something
maybe
you
know
I
don't
know.
I
realize
that
kind
of
stuff
costs
money,
but
to
get
a
real
participation.
L
Thank
you,
brad,
and
just
a
quick
comment
on
that
again.
Andrew
will
send
this
all
out
with
the
link
to
our
website
that
will
have
all
the
events
as
well.
L
We
can
also
include
that
in
a
pdf,
if
you
guys
want-
and
you
know
the
more
the
merrier
that
we
can
share
even
better-
you
know
using
a
lot
of
traditional
methods
that
we
use
website
social
and
also
you
know
kind
of
our
street
team
of
putting
boots
on
the
ground
to
go
out
to
the
neighborhoods,
whether
that's
door,
knocking
using
you
know
we'll
have
a
couple
flyers
going
around
as
well,
but
thank
you
for
the
comments
brad.
I
appreciate
it
and
yeah
and
to
a
few
comments
I
just
saw
in
the
chat.
G
Yeah,
thank
you,
I've.
I
have
two
questions.
Would
you
mind
going
back
to
the
slide
that
probably
three
slides
back
or
whatever
that
showed
the
list.
G
And
so
my
my
two
questions
are
both
pretty
broad
and
it's
it's
most
like
something
to
think
about.
I
I
feel
like
there's
kind
of
a
general
distrust
of
government
right
now,
local
government
and
larger,
and
so
I
just
wonder
if
there's
been
a
consideration
of
bringing
in
quote
the
experts-
and
you
know,
I.e,
don
and
gabby
and
their
team
to
any
of
these
meetings,
maybe
specifically
those
that
are
intended
to
be
like
larger.
G
Because
I
think
it's
important
for
people
to
understand
how
difficult
this
stuff
is,
it's
not
easy
stuff
to
get.
So
that's
my
one
comment
and
then
my
second
comment
is
maybe
a
little
bit
more
for
the
professional
team
don
and
his
team,
but
the
amount
of
outreach
that
I
saw
based
on
what
andrea
sent
me
like.
It
seems
like
a
lot
right,
because
this
this
list
is
sort
of
just
the
public
outward
facing,
but
the
stuff
that
you've
done
to
date
with
the
surveys,
but
also
going
to
trade
groups
going
to
neighborhood
associations.
G
I
just
wonder
what
communities
like
maybe
peer
communities
to
boys,
see
what
you
guys
see
them
do
in
regards
to
the
amount
of
time
the
amount
of
outreach.
The
amount
of
survey
results
to
roberta's
point
but
like
what
are
the
expectations,
to
quote
a
industry
reasonable
amount
of
outreach,
because
we
could
do
outreach
forever
and
I
just
want
to
know
like
I
know:
that's
not
our
plan,
but
I
just
kind
of
want
to
know
from
the
professionals.
L
I
will
answer
just
briefly
and
then
I'll
probably
take
it
over
to
andrea,
because
we
have
talked
some
about
some
peer
cities
as
well.
So
now
I'm
trying
to
blank
on
your
first
question:
oh
trust
in
government
and
having
maybe
some
of
clarion
or
experts
at
some
of
these
meetings.
We
have
talked
about
that
and
we'll
continue
to
discuss
that
further
having
a
couple
more
local
people
that
we
know
provide
kind
of
a
good
bipartisan
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
a
person
that
you
know
if
a
community
member
says
okay.
L
Well,
I
don't
agree
with
this.
Can
we
have
someone?
That's
in
the
bipartisan
role,
say:
okay!
Well,
how
about
this?
We
have
talked
about
that
and
we'll
definitely
continue
to
consider
that
in
some
of
these
and
again
it's
hard
in
our
exhaustive
list,
you
know-
maybe
it's
one
or
two
of
the
general
community
ones
that
we
can
provide
someone
of
that
nature
and
those
leading
especially
zoom.
L
You
know
a
lot
easier
to
have
some
from
clarion
present
at
some
of
those,
so
we
will
take
that
into
consideration,
especially
some
of
those
larger
meetings
so
and
then.
The
second
question
we
did
have
looked
pretty
extensively
at
peer
cities
that
have
done
zoning
code
rewrites
recently,
and
I
will
probably
kick
that
over
to
andrea
to
kind
of
talk
about
that.
L
D
B
B
Well,
what's
the
expectation,
the
expectation
always
is
more
whatever
you
did,
you
should
have
done
more,
I'm
sorry,
but
that's
just
the
way
it
is
and
the
I
would
say
that
the
amount
of
outreach
that
has
been
conducted
so
far
in
this
process
in
boise
is
clearly
above
average
for
medium-sized
cities.
I've
seen
I
I
don't
want
you
to
quote
me,
but
it
is
in
the
top
quarter.
I'm
not
sure
it
is
more
than
any
other
city
I've
ever
seen,
but
it
is
it's
top
it's
top
drawer.
I
mean
it.
B
You've
do
you're
the,
but
the
mark
of
a
successful
outreach.
As
somebody
said
earlier,
it's
the
quality
of
the
feedback
you
get
and
the
mark
of
a
successful
outreach
program
is
when
you
hear
that
a
certain
population
or
a
certain
group
is
not
engaged.
You
make
an
effort
to
engage
them
that
you
connect
the
dots
you
you
respond
to
your
weaknesses,
but
having
said
all
of
that,
so
I
I'll
stick
with
what
I've
said.
B
B
I've
done
this
for
30
years.
Zoning
is
not
an
exciting
topic
to
many
people,
they
care
about
it.
They
think
it's
unfair,
they
don't
understand
it,
they
want
it
changed
and
they
don't
meaningfully
engage
in
the
process,
no
matter
what
you
do,
and
so
I'm
sorry
to
be
a
pessimist.
All
you
can
do
is
the
most
you
can
do
and
I
think
it's
not
the
number
of
events.
It
is
the
variety
of
channels
and
is
the
number
of
times
during
the
process
that
you
adjust
to
try
to
fill
in
the
gaps
that
you're
seeing.
B
A
And
then,
if
I
could
just
add
on
to
that,
you
know
don
brought
up,
you
know
really
evaluating
who
you're
hearing
from
and
are
you
hearing
from
the
right
groups,
and
so
we
have
been
tracking
what
those
demographics
look
like
and
you
know
with
module
one.
We
heard
a
lot
from
homeowners.
We
heard
a
lot
from
older
individuals,
and
so
when
we
talked
to
you,
you
guys
really
felt
that
diversity
was
important
and
we
were
already
on
that
trail.
A
And
so
our
goal
is
to
really
capture
some
of
those
people
that
we
haven't
heard
from,
and
so
we
will
have
some
unique
survey
codes
we'll
have
some
unique
qr
codes.
So
chris
had
mentioned
hey
we
didn't
hear
from
the
renters
we
didn't
hear
from
those
individuals,
and
so
we
will
track
to
see
if
we
get
those
numbers
up.
A
We
heard
we
haven't
heard
from
the
younger
populations
where
they
have
different
needs
and
different
preferences
than
our
older
generations
once
had,
and
so
we'll
be
tracking
some
of
those
individuals
as
well
so
in
different
locations,
we'll
have
different
codes
where
we
can
actually
follow
some
of
that
to
fill
in
those
gaps
where
we
feel
like
we
have
missed,
or
we
have
a
weaker
link
and
we
haven't
heard
from
those
individuals
yet.
But
you
know,
on
a
broad
scale,
we've
done
a
really
good
job
of
offering
multiple
ways.
A
When
you
look
at
what
others
are
doing
for
zoning
code
rewrite.
Typically,
they
have
a
survey
that
goes
out
which
is
a
general
survey,
and
then
they
will
have
maybe
work
sessions
that
occur
with
their
their
councils
or
their
commission,
depending
on
what
their
structure
looks
like
so,
we've
certainly
gone
above
and
beyond.
A
It's
really
important
for
the
mayor
to
for
us
to
go
to
people
where
they
are,
which
is
really
leading
us
down
this.
We
need
to
visit
each
one
of
those
planning
areas.
We
also
need
to
hear
from
the
community
as
a
whole
and
really
hear
from
those
diverse
community
groups.
So
so
we
have
taken
notes
as
we're
moving
along
and
we're
hoping
to
do
better
and
better
each
time
so
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
provide
feedback,
and
then
brad
had
also
mentioned.
You
know
he
hasn't
heard
of
these
other
events.
A
You
know
I,
the
information
that
I
provided
to
you
was
either
a
publication,
a
radio
or
an
event.
It's
important
to
note
that
you
know
we
also,
as
a
city
publish
on
our
website
on
our
facebook
accounts.
Our
twitter
accounts
those
types
of
things,
so
we
have
the
ability
to
reach
audiences.
That
way,
and
in
multiple
occasions,
we've
also
inserted
an
insert
into
the
utility
billing,
so
people
when
they
get
their
monthly
utility
bill.
A
If
you,
if
you
take
a
look
at
it,
there's
a
little
note
that
hey
the
city
is
really
busy
for
zoning
code
rewrites.
So
you
know
and
oftentimes
it's
a
word
of
mouth
as
well.
So
if
we
can
communicate
with
a
group
and
they're
willing
to
share
some
time
with
us,
we're
willing
to
go
out
and
so
you'll
see
a
lot
of
those
on
that
list
as
well.
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
if
you
don't
mind,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
andrea,
that
I
think
that
was
a
really
good
synopsis,
and-
and
thank
you
don
for
that
as
well
and
to
roberta's
point
is,
I
don't
think
it's
pessimistic
either.
G
I
think
it's
realistic
and
I
think
it's
important
that
I
said
it
at
the
last
meeting
is
that
you
know
postponing
the
the
zoning
rewrite
for
six
months
may
be
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
the
idea
that
there
is
always
going
to
be
people
that
say
that
there
should
have
been
more.
G
We
just
cannot
get
into
this
system
of
or
the
process
of
people
complaining
and
then
doing
an
additional
six
months,
and
so
maybe
the
first
six
months
extension
is
the
right
thing.
I
don't
I
I
don't
agree
that
it
is
necessarily,
I
think
it's
the
quality
of
the
feedback
that
we're
getting,
but
assuming
that
we
that
that
the
powers
that
be
agree,
it
means
the
six
months
extension
which
it
seems
like
it
has
been
assumed.
G
Then
I
just
urge
you
to
hold
it
fast
to
that
to
that
accountability
and
be
accountable
to
your
time
frame,
because
there
will
always
be
people
complaining
about
it.
So
that's
my
little
diatribe
and
I
think
the
I
have
seen
it
in
the
sewer
bills.
Andrea
in
the
other
place.
That
would
be
a
really
broad
group
would
be
like
young
professional
groups,
boise
young
professionals.
G
A
A
Q
Q
As
you
know,
many
areas,
especially
on
the
outskirts
of
the
city,
but
also
a
large
area
of
the
bench,
are
designated
areas
of
change.
That
means
your
built
property
values
divided
by
the
the
land.
Values
is
below
some
threshold.
Roughly
speaking,
and
therefore
you
know
it's
both
used
as
prescriptive
as
this
area
should
change,
because
it's
it's.
It's
often
quoted
that
way
by
planning
staff
during
permit
process
applications,
but
also
it's
you
know
it's
just
simply
descriptive
with
both
of
those,
whether
it's
prescriptive
or
descriptive.
Q
Those
are
the
areas
that
really
need
to
understand
what
may
happen.
They
also,
I
believe,
are
areas
that
tend
not
to
participate.
Much
most
of
my
neighborhood
is
considered
an
area
of
change
when
the
comprehensive
plan
was
changed
in
2011,
we
did
a
post-mortem
on
that.
There
was
one
response
from
our
entire
neighborhood
on
the
change
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
Q
Now
much
of
that
was
because
we
were
in
the
area
of
impact,
but
of
course,
you
get
annexed
in
then
to
a
a
comprehensive
plan,
that's
created
by
a
city,
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
we
ensure
that
we
have
geographic
responses
in
a
relatively
equitable
way.
So,
thank
you.
L
Thanks
richard-
and
there
was
one
major
thing
that
I
left
out
too-
this
is
really
kind
of
where
we're
asking
you
guys
to
help
us
as
well.
Is
we
want
all
of
you
to
come
and
attend
each
of
your
neighborhood
planning
area
meetings?
This
is
where
you
can
be.
You
know
a
voice
on
top
of
ours,
inviting
your
neighbors
to
attend
some
of
these
events
as
well.
So
that's
one
ask
that
we
do
have
of
each
of
you
if
you're
able
to
make
your
neighborhood
planning
area.
L
E
Yeah,
thank
you
lindsay
just
a
really
quick
question
for
you
and
or
andrea
on
the
city
council
work
session.
That's
coming
up.
Is
there
any
benefit
for
any
of
our
committee
members
to
attend
that,
or
is
this
really
just
sort
of
like
an
internal
presentation
to
city
council
with
not
really
like
a
lot
of
workshopping.
L
I'll
defer
to
andrea-
I
do
have
one
note,
because
this
too,
the
one
that
was
on
february
1-
we
just
got
changed
this
morning
to
2
8,
so
make
sure
you
make
a
note
of
that
for
the
city
council
work
session,
but
I'll
defer
to
andrea
to
kind
of
answer
more.
So
what
she
thinks.
A
Yeah,
so
this
will
not
be
like
a
general
workshop
that
you
might
see,
but
what
it
will
be
was
we'll
be
updating
them,
we'll
be
providing
them
a
lot
of
the
same
information
that
you've
had
letting
them
know
what
that
community
engagement
looks
like
reminding
them
of
what
we
heard
from
module
one
and
then
kind
of
walking
them
through
some
of
those
big
changes
for
module
two
and
really
being
able
to
ask
them
their
their
feedback
and
understanding,
what's
important
to
them.
A
Understanding
if
they
feel
like
we've,
missed
something
that
might
be
in
blueprint
boise
that
we
could
be
changing
or
assisting
with
or
supporting
with
the
zoning
code
rewrite
so
it'll.
Be
that
way
now.
The
other
thing
is
is
that
our
city
council
and
all
of
our
appointed
officials
too
we're
going
to
invite
them
to
a
lot
of
these
neighborhood
conversations
and
community
conversations
so
that
they
will
be
there
also
to
to
talk
to
our
community
and
to
really
explain
the
need
for
that
for
the
for
these
types
of
changes
or
looking
at
alternatives.
J
I
think
it'd
be
really
great
if
the
city
could
reach
out
to
the
various
diverse
religious
organizations
that
in
community
I'm
sure
the
mayor
has
a
a
a
phone
list,
if
you
will
of
various
religious
leaders
because
there's
a
we
have
a
lot
of
new
americans
people,
folks
that
english
is
not
their
first
language
and
at
least
at
my
church
there's
a
service
where
it's
all
hispanic
community,
all
speak
spanish,
the
services
in
spanish
and
if
someone
made
a
a
presentation
or
if
it
was
something
that
was
put
in
a
I
know.
J
I
know
a
lot
of
churches
have
like
a
sunday
bulletin.
If
you
will,
you
know
even
a
mention
in
there.
I
think
that
would
be
one
way
to
get
new
americans
folks
that
maybe
the
church
is
their
community
and
that's
the
only
way
they
get
some
information
and
also
a
way
to
reach
some
marginalized
folks
that
they
don't
have
access
or
know
how
to
even
do.
C
K
I'll
be
quick,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
I
agree
with
with
richard
on
these
targeted
areas.
I
personally,
I
don't
live
in
the
city
limits,
so
these
these
laws
are
really
not
going
to
affect
me,
but
my
area,
I
wouldn't
consider
it
an
area
of
change.
It's
probably
an
area
of
change.
K
I
feel
the
effects
of
what's
gone
on,
and
I
take
this
really
personal.
I
I
know
I
probably
look
come
off
as
some
kind
of
hard
ass,
but
you
know
this
city
is
very
important
to
me
and
there's
a
lot
of
vulnerable
areas
that
need
protection.
So
again,
I
just
like
richard
said
targeting
some
areas
that
are
vulnerable,
I
think,
would
be
very
appreciated.
K
L
Thanks
brad
and
we
definitely
don't
want
to
discredit
people
that
are
in
areas
of
impact
as
well.
So
you
know
again,
these
are
not
you
don't.
If
you
don't
live
in
the
central
bench,
neighborhood
planning
area,
you
can
still
attend
if
you'd
like
to.
So
that's
just
something
I
want
to
reiterate
as
well
and
in
our
survey
and
we
do
ask
what
neighborhood
you
sit,
what
neighborhood
you
live
in.
If
you
don't
live
in
that,
that's
okay,
we
say
you
know,
I
don't
live
in
city
limits,
but
I
live
in
an
area
of
impact.
L
R
All
right
and
can
I
can
folks,
see
my
screen?
Yes
great,
so
I'm
gonna
go
quickly
over
the
last
of
our
package
to
prepare
for
module,
two,
which
is
the
conversion
map,
and
I
think
this
has
been
said
as
we
went
through
module
one.
R
A
lot
of
the
community
wanted
to
say:
how
does
this
affect
me
and
can
I
look
and
see
a
map
and
how
this
is
going
to
touch
my
property,
and
so
we've
been
working
to
translate
the
previous
zoning
code
into
our
proposed
conversion
districts,
and
this
will
be
linked
directly
on
the
city
website,
as
well
as
a
pdf
that
you
can
download
and
zoom
into
and
print.
However,
you
would
want,
but
this
is
considered
a
story
map,
so
you
click
on
it
it'll
pop
out
into
a
new
web
page,
and
we
have
an
explanation.
R
We
have
an
explanation
just
of
an
introduction
to
what
is
this
conversion
map?
What
does
this
mean?
The
big
thing
is
that,
in
order
to
find
your
conversion
district,
we
just
took
the
zone
that
was
most
similar
to
your
existing
zone.
So
if
you
were,
your
property
was
c1
neighborhood
commercial.
The
conversion
zone
is
mx
n,
which
is
mixed-use
neighborhood.
Those
are
the
two
most
similar
zones.
R
If
you
were
r1c,
we
still
have
an
r1c,
so
you
stay
r1c,
which
is
r1c
single
family
urban
converts
to
r1c,
which
we've
renamed
urban,
residential
and
so
you'll
sweep
you'll,
zoom
or
you'll
scroll
down.
We
have
a
couple
directions
here
in
how
to
interact
with
the
map.
So,
if
you're
like
what
is
this,
how
do
I
work
on
this?
This
kind
of
will
give
you
some
instructions,
but
you
just
keep
on
scrolling
and
you'll,
see
two
maps
side
by
side
and
with
the
notice
to
click
anywhere
to
interact.
R
So
you
can
click
and
you'll
see
the
two
maps
side
by
side
on
the
left.
Is
the
proposed
zoning
code
rewrite
conversion
district?
So
this
is
what
you
would
be
becoming
if
the
code
is
adopted
and
these
are
our
current
zoning
codes.
So
what
is
already
existed
today?
This
just
takes
you
that
to
a
standard
zoom
and
then
you
can
click
and
drag
and
try
to
find
a
place
you're
interested
in,
and
it's
mirrored
exactly
in
the
other
map.
R
So
you'll
be
seeing
the
same
thing
you
can
tell
I'm
you
could
zoom
out
zoom
in
right.
Now,
I'm
hovering
over
the
central
bench
area.
You
can
also,
if
you
want
to
know
what
these
colors
mean
and
they're
different
zone
districts
we
have
below
here
is
our
legend.
But
what
I
would
use
typically
is
what
makes
this
great
as
an
interactive
map.
Is
you
could
zoom
in
and
find
a
parcel
zoom
in
and
you
can
actually
click
and
as
long
as
you
click
on
it,
it
will
pop
up
a
label.
R
So
this
is
the
proposed
code,
light
industrial
district
and
in
this
little
table
it
will
show
you
right
here.
Current
zoning
district,
it's
m1
light
industrial
district
and
the
proposed
district
in
the
conversion
map
we'll
translate
it
to
i1,
which
is
our
new
name
for
that
and
it's
the
light
industrial
district.
So
when
you're
reading
through
module
2-
and
it
has
specific
rules
or
regulations
about
a
certain
district,
you
could
come
look
at
that
map
and
say:
oh,
this
would
apply
to
this
neighborhood.
This
would
apply
to
that
neighborhood.
R
R
So
if
we
move
to
some
of
our
historic
areas
or
even
we
have
a
couple
of
overlay
districts
on
capital,
you
can
click
here,
and
this
is
current.
Zoning
district
is
r1c
single
family,
residential
urban.
It's
going
to
convert
to
r1c
urban
residential.
R
It
currently
has
an
overlay
design
district,
which
is
our
historic
design
overlay
and
it's
being
carried
over
exactly
the
same.
The
historic
design
overlay
so
you'll
be
able
to
click
in
and
see
all
of
that,
and
you
can
also,
if
you're
interested
in
a
specific
address
I'll
show
you
a
new
city
hall's
address
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
could
type
that
in.
D
R
R
When
you
have
the
document
in
front
of
you
and
you're
reading
those
dimensional
standards
for
r1c
urban
residential,
you
could
come
and
zoom
out
and
say
well
where
what
areas
is
this
going
to
impact
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
all
of
those
and
again,
if
you're,
just
interested
in
seeing
the
city
as
a
whole?
You
could
come
down
here
and
it
shows
you.
The
conversions,
so
you'll
see
how
the
colors
relate.
Q
Yes,
thank
you.
So
is
this
a
function
of
what
we
already
saw
in
module
one
essentially,
you
know
a
conversion
of
of
of
the
zoning
districts
and
those
that
we
saw
were
being
the
new
ones
and
and
and
how
they
would
be
folded
into.
Is
there
any
actual
redrawing
of
any
boundaries
here,
or
is
this
just
a
is?
This
is
a
functional
conversion.
B
R
I
R
A
R
Yeah
great
point:
so
you
can
click.
So
if
you
don't
want
to
look
at
goodness,
if
you
don't
want
to
look
at
the
legend
down
below
here,
it's
on
the
bottom
right
on
either
map
you
can
click
and
we'll
pop
to
a
legend
just
right
next
to
it,
and
so
this
legend
is
applying
to
the
current
zoning
districts.
R
R
N
B
N
B
A
A
T
Can
you
hear
me
yeah,
oh
great,
good,
to
see
you
again,
andrea
and
others?
Look.
I
guess
I'll
telescope
this
down
a
bit
from
the
last
discussion.
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
T
T
It's
important
to
cut
across
all
demographics,
not
just
those
of
us
that
somebody
called
the
old
guys,
so
I
think
that's
really
vital.
I
I
live
amids
amidst
all
the
young
folks
down
by
the
university.
T
There
are
other
methodologies
surveys
have
their
problems
and
they're
systemic.
If
the
surveys
start
with
well,
I
want
some
outcomes
for
zoning
that'll
skew
just
about
any
methodology.
You
want
to
throw
at
it
this.
I
know
there
are
methodologies
like
panel
analysis
that
are
very
labor
intensive.
There
are
unobtrusive
measures
which
is
a
very
popular
book
still
in
sociology
that
try
to
get
at
the
lived
experiences
of
people.
T
So
I
think
there
could
be
other
ways
of
doing
things
besides
surveys,
but
I
understand
there
are
tough
timelines
and
covid
is
part
of
that.
Okay
enough
on
that
outreach
issue,
standardization
is
like
a
multi-edged
sword
and
I
understand
that
standardization
is.
T
Great
for
efficiency
and
helps
people
who
are
making
decisions
and
want
to
move
on.
However,
standardization
can
override
various
areas
of
the
city.
Some
areas
of
this
city
are
already
much
more
dense
than
other
areas
of
the
city,
so
I'm
thinking
in
particular
of
this
blanket
20
20
reduction
in
spaces
that
could
really
be
oppressive
to
some
neighborhoods
already.
So
I'd
just
like
you
to
consider
that
I
think
neighborhood
associations
will
speak
to
that.
T
T
I
really
liked
the
idea
of
of
trying
to
deal
with
maintenance
in
the
city
and
to
hear
some
voice
given
to
maybe
some
serious
penalties,
at
least
in
some
other
cities,
about
that.
Okay,
so
the
trees
are
growing,
they're,
not
dying
and
5
000
cars
are
sitting
in
front
of
the
parking
lots
in
the
under
the
trees,
where
they're
not
supposed
to
be
so.
I
I
want
to
push
back
a
bit
on
the
the
chat
orgy
of
yay
parking
reduction,
because
I
think
that's
a
developer's
argument
more
than
it
is
a
residence
argument.
T
So
you
could.
I
would
like
you
to
include
something
in
the
zoning
about
parking.
I'm
not
saying
we
have
to
do
the
old
debate
over
and
over
again
that
every
neighborhood
goes
through.
But
if
that's,
if
there's
not
a
piece
in
there
about
maintaining
the
frontal
areas
of
lots
in
this
city,
then
you
can
have
an
effort
to
create
as
many
save
the
tree
programs
as
possible
and
still
have
cars
overrun
it.
I
love
the
vision
of
no
cars
in
certain
areas.
T
T
T
I've
already
heard
from
my
colleagues
in
the
southeast
neighborhood
association,
some
question
about
whether
or
not
blueprint
boise
is
actually
being
followed,
it's
being
addressed
in
some
areas,
but
not
all
areas
of
blueprint,
boise
and
so
it'd
be
nice
to
have
a
discussion
of
that
in
the
general
meetings
and
at
the
neighborhood
meetings
anyway.
Thanks
for
your
time,.
A
M
Well,
thank
you
just
a
couple
of
points
to
going
back
to
your
outreach
and
community
involvement
discussion,
and
some
of
my
points
were
previously
made
so
well
by
roberta
and
others,
and
I'd
like
to
echo
some
of
the
remarks
by
your
consultant,
mr
elliott.
M
He
mentioned
that
he
had
done
had
a
career
of
30
years
in
in
this
kind
of
outreach
and
community
engagement.
I
did
it
for
35
for
the
federal
government
so
don.
Perhaps
I
rank
you
a
bit,
but
I'd
like
to
reinforce
some
of
your
points
that
you
so
ably
made.
M
M
But
that's
basically
preaching
to
the
engaged
in
a
third
year
of
pandemic,
hosting
meetings
expecting
people
to
show
up
on
cold
winter
nights
in
the
middle
of
pandemic
to
engage
on
a
dry
subject
like
zoning
code,
rewrite
you're
only
going
to
get
the
most
engaged
and
the
most
committed,
and
I
would
like
to
caution
you
and
remind
you
that
the
marginally
engaged
and
the
unengaged
are
your
constituents
too,
and
we
can't
lose
sight
of
that.
M
I
would,
I
think,
back
to
the
proposed
downtown
library
project
that
reached
out
to
a
lot
of
constituent
groups,
a
lot
of
identified
stakeholders
and
spent
many
months
engaging
with
them,
and
yet,
when
it
came
time
for
this
city
to
vote
on
a
specific
library
project,
nearly
70
percent
of
the
voters
in
this
city
rejected
the
plan
that
was
on
the
table.
M
M
It's
a
matter
of
whether
you
want
to
engage
in
passive
marketing
or
active
marketing,
and
those
are
two
entirely
different
approaches
to
selling
a
product
just
a
few
few
random
thoughts
that
other
people
mentioned
that
this
is
gonna,
be
a
learning
experience
on
community
engagement.
I
would
submit
to
you
that
this
is
no
place
for
a
learning
experience.
M
M
The
level
of
engagement
was
characterized
as
better
than
a
lot
of
other
cities
around
the
country
have
done
it
well,
I
would
submit
to
you
that
in
boise,
idaho,
exceptional
performance
should
be
standard,
standard
performance
should
be
substandard
and
substandard
performance
should
not
be
tolerated.
M
M
We
have
a
lot
of
existing
conduits
to
reach
a
broad
cross-section
of
the
city.
Voter
lists,
as
previously
mentioned
utility
bill
accounts,
probably
the
easiest
way
to
reach
everybody
in
this
city
and
if
it
costs
money,
so
be
it.
This
city
has
money.
Believe
me,
this
city
has
the
money
to
do
this
right.
M
Finally,
I
would
like
to
ask
you
to
think
how
we
can
engage
city
councilors
in
this
process.
M
This
zoning
code
rewrite
is
inherently
a
neighborhood
based
a
community-based
activity,
a
function,
a
project
that
right
down
to
the
ground
level.
These
city
councillors
need
to
engage
for
the
districts
from
which
they
were
elected.
M
My
example
is
ward
politicians
in
chicago.
They
are
responsible
for
a
patch
of
ground
and
they
are
the
public's
first
line,
a
point
of
contact
with
their
municipal
government.
M
I
think
we
need
to
be
treating
these
districts
seriously
and
we
need
these
elected
officials
to
engage
fully
in
the
outreach
that's
being
done
within
their
districts,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
inject
a
little
perspective
from
my
previous
work
in
community
engagement
at
the
federal
level.
I
commend
you
for
what
you're
doing.
I
will
be
at
your
meetings.
A
Thank
you
david
now
we
have
dave
kangas
and
then
we'll
follow
up
with
yule
kim.
O
Sorry
there
we
go.
Can
you
hear
me
now?
You're,
good,
okay,
david
klinger
kind
of
talked
a
lot
about
the
library
process
and
what
happened
there
and
I
would
really
hate
to
see
this
process
be
fully
implemented
and
just
to
have
a
huge
backlash.
O
O
Newer
subdivisions
with
ccnr's
and
hoas
aren't
going
to
be
nearly
as
affected.
Many
of
your
historic
overlay
districts
aren't
going
to
be
affected,
so
it's
really
going
to
hit
the
older
neighborhoods
the
older
neighborhoods,
which
right
now
are
already
providing
what
affordable
housing
we
have
and
also
have
the
lowest
median
income
people
residing
there.
O
So
why
not
just
say:
hey
anybody
do
what
you
want,
because
what
I
see
here
is
going
to
be
creating
more
confusion
on
what
can
be
put
on
a
lot
than
way.
It
is
now
when
you
define
densities
with
your
zone,
there's
limitations,
here's
the
box!
If
you
have
an
extreme
circumstance!
Well,
then
you
can
mess
with
it.
O
O
O
That's
why
you're
seeing
so
many
of
the
bigger
develo
internet
or
national
developers
come
in,
they
can
afford
to
pay
those
prices
they're.
Looking
long-term
they're
looking
to
gobble
the
land,
because
acquisition
is
more
important
than
price.
A
local
developer
needs
to
make
it
pocket
and
they
make
it
pencil.
O
The
result
of
that
is
the
substandard
lot
is,
if
you
don't
have
an
alley
load
garage,
you
had
to
have
two
lots
or
you'd
have
to
take
a
lot
and
a
half
to
build
a
house.
So
you
have
a
two-car
garage,
so
you
have
two
parking
places:
boise
as
nice
as
it
is,
is
in
idaho,
transit
doesn't
exist,
people
rely
on
cars
and
that
isn't
going
to
change
in
my
lifetime
and
it's
not
going
to
change
in
the
next
20
years.
O
You
can
already
see
the
state
cracking
down
on
local
spending,
so
I
see
big
problems
coming
up
here
and
it's
not
going
to
aid
affordability
in
any
way.
It's
going
to
cause
a
lot
more
problems
and
it's
going
to
drive
homeless
situation
even
worse
as
these
older
homes
that
are
being
rented
at
an
affordable
rate
as
they're
kicked
out,
and
they
have
nowhere
to
go
so
that's
it.
P
Hello,
hello,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
forum
and,
first
of
all,
let
me
just
commend
lindsay
and
deanna
on
your
outreach
efforts.
I
would
encourage
you
to
keep
trying.
I
know
it's
hard
me
personally.
P
I
live
in
the
collister
neighborhood
that
has
the
sycamore
agricultural
overlay
and
I'm
very
anxious.
I
can
see
brad's
nodding
his
head
because
he
was
at
some
of
the
community
meetings
that
we
had
of
concerned
neighbors
about
what
the
rezoning
might
do
to
our
neighborhood,
and
you
know
just
some
background.
P
You
know
a
lot
of
us
will
be
very
disappointed
and
you
know,
as
far
as
I
know,
I
may
be
wrong,
but
looking
at
the
city
website,
there
are
only
two
existing
agricultural
zoning
overlays
in
the
city,
the
sycamore
overlay
and
the
big
sky
neighborhood
overlay,
and
I
understand
that
if
you
start
making
exceptions
for
particular
neighborhoods
with
nimbyism
that
all
of
a
sudden,
every
neighborhood
wants
an
exception.
But
again
there
are
only
two
existing
agricultural
overlays
and
to
maintain
them
is
not
going
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
city's
ability
to
increase
density.
P
Why?
Because
with
the
formulas
that
don
shared,
I
can
put
six
more
houses
on
my
lot
and
I
don't
care
what
the
situation
is.
When
the
person
buys
that
house
there
will
be
all
kinds
of
calls
to
the
police,
there
will
be
calls
to
every
city
service
about.
Oh,
my
kid
has
a
b
allergy
and
there's
a
bee
hive,
two
lots
away
from
me,
or
I
get
waking
up
every
every
morning
at
four-
am
by
the
rooster
that
crows
on
this
side
of
me
and
on
that
side
of
me.
P
P
A
S
I
have
heard
I'm
in
southwest
boise
in
the
area
of
impact,
as
well
with
the
southwest
data
county
neighborhood
association,
and
I
have
heard
a
lot
of
discussion
kind
of
along
the
lines
of
what
dave
kangas
said
that
certain
neighborhoods
will
be
excluded
from
this
episode,
based
on
the
fact
that
they're,
in
a
historical,
historical
district
or
because
of
their
current
ccnrs
and
we've
even
had
some
infield
developments
that
have
not
gone
forward
in
some
of
our
or
newer
neighborhoods.
S
I
guess
you
could
say
because
of
those
ccnrs
and
does
the
city
have
any
knowledge
about
like
what
percentage
of
the
city
will
not
be
affected
by
this,
because
either
within
you
know
historical
district
protections
or
other
protections
or
because
they
do
have
those
ccnr's
in
place.
I'd
just
be
curious
to
know
you
know.
S
It's
talked
about
that
this
will
affect
the
whole
city,
but
I
don't
think
people
believe
that
is
true.
Based
on
some
of
the
comments
that
I'm
hearing.
A
Sure,
and
just
to
take,
I
guess
a
brief
stab
at
that.
You
know
some
areas
might
have
existing
ccnr's.
However,
you
know
times
are
changing.
There
are
needs
for
accessory
dwelling
units
for
multi-generational
living,
whether
you
have
a
college
student
or
an
aging
parent.
A
All
of
those
things
may
change
over
time.
You
know
there
are
often
times
where
ccnr's
are
modified,
where
today
it
might
not
impact
it,
but
in
the
long
run
that
it
may
change
and
people
might
be
looking
for
those
types
of
things
as
far
as
historic
districts,
you
know
the
densities,
the
allowances
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
the
availability
to
convert
an
existing
home
into
a
duplex,
a
triplex
or
a
four
flex.
Is
there
so
you,
you
very
well
may
see
those
changes
occurring
in
some
of
those
historic
districts.
It's
not
like.
A
We
haven't
seen
a
large
historic
home,
be
converted
into
multi
units
that
has
happened
significantly
over
time
and
is
really
kind
of
what
makes
the
north
end
unique.
So
the
historic
guidelines
ultimately
only
preserve
the
exterior
of
the
structure,
but
you
can
add
an
accessory
structure.
You
can
do
internal
improvements
to
modify
that
home
to
add
additional
units.
Those
are
all
possibilities,
so
I
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
entire
city
will
be
impacted.
A
K
I
know
we're
running
a
little
late
today,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
appreciate
this.
The
outside
comments,
ed
david
dave
and
newell.
I
mean
many
of
these
points.
I've
been
screaming
since
the
beginning
of
this,
and
sometimes
I
feel,
like
you
know,
I'm
just
being
brushed
off.
The
fact
is
that
this
these
comments
are
what
I'm
hearing
outside
of
this
group
and
this
knee-jerk
reaction
to
stuff
houses
in
anywhere
you
can
get
them
to
provide.
K
This
quotes,
affordable,
housing,
we're
not
looking
at
the
further
the
impact
from
in
the
future.
You
know
we're
running
out
of
resources,
we're
overrunning
the
hospitals,
we're
we're
taxing
the
fire
departments.
All
of
this,
and
what's
something
that
was
said
last
last
meeting
that
stuck
with
me
the
whole
time
was:
we
get
a
lot
of
complaints,
but
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
solutions
and
that
really
hit
me.
I
have
to
admit
this
is
so
difficult.
I
don't
have
solutions,
but
I
think
we
need
to.
K
I
know
we
want
to
get
this
thing
over
with,
but
we
need
to
really
pay
attention
to
what
the
long-term
effects
of
what
we
are
doing
here.
I
know
this
is
a
small
thing:
that's
zoning,
but
we're
at
the
in
we're
in
the
dirt
here.
This
is
serious.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
long-term
effect
of
our
city.
I
love
this
city.
The
reason
I
get
so
worked
up
about
it.
I
grew
up
here
and
I
get
very
emotional
about
it.
So
it's
very
important.
A
Well,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
participation.
Today
we
had
a
number
of
attendees
that
visited
with
us
today.
I
think
we
had
a
really
good
conversation,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
recommendations
and
their
their
thoughtful
considerations
that
you
know
this
really
builds
upon
the
process
and
I've
heard
time
and
time
again
from
people
from
all
perspectives
saying
this
is
really
important
and
it's
important
that
we
get
it
right
and
we
agree.
So
we
are
very
happy
that
you
were
here
to
join
us.
A
We
will
be
back
in
about
three
weeks,
so
our
next
citywide
advisory
committee
meeting
will
be
held
on
february
17th
and
we're
hoping
that
you'll
have
had
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
module
two
and
and
might
be
able
to
provide
us
some
some
feedback.
So
thank
you
once
again
and
I
hope
everybody
has
a
great
evening.