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From YouTube: Citywide Advisory Committee Meeting
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Monthly meeting for the City of Boise's Zoning Code Rewrite Citywide Advisory Committee. This meeting streams on YouTube, where the public can view it.
A
Our
city-wide
advisory
committee
meeting
on
October
27th,
normally
Andrea,
does
this
so
we're
a
little
lackluster
today,
she's
at
a
conference
this
week.
So
thanks
for
your
patience-
and
we
have
quite
a
few
online
as
well
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
kick
it
off
making
sure
everybody
can
see
the
screen.
Okay,
sorry,
that's
kind
of
hard
to
read.
A
This
is
just
the
agenda,
so
we'll
just
give
a
couple
updates
that
we
have
going
on
just
in
terms
of
community
outreach
and
a
few
things
that
we've
heard
General
comments
on
the
full
code,
we'll
go
through
some
code
testing
a
couple
walkthroughs
that
Diane
is
here
for
next
steps,
then
of
course
open
up
for
questions
and
comments
that
we've
had
here
as
well.
B
A
B
Some
quick
introductions-
yes,
so
we
have
Diane
is
not
new,
but
Diane.
Cushon
is
with
us
today
and
she'll,
be
helping
us
out
with
some
of
the
like
Lindsay
said:
the
walk
through
of
some
different
scenarios
of
actually
testing
the
code.
We
have
Aaron
Aaron.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
yourself
real,
quick.
D
Hi
I'm
Emily
Dixon
I'm,
the
the
data
analyst
for
PDS
and
I
also
do
GIS
mapping.
A
We'll
give
Emily
tons
of
Praise
on
all
the
work
she's
done
for
us
later,
but
so
just
a
few
updates
that
I
have
from
Community
engagement.
The
first
one
is.
We
have
posted
the
summary
that
was
from
module
one
and
module
two
Outreach,
but
this
past
summer.
So
that's
on
our
website.
We
have
had
two
of
our
five
meetings
so
far,
so
thank
you.
All
that
have
come
to
those
and
attended.
We've
got
three
more
and
those
dates
will
be
at
the
end
as
well.
A
Those
have
been
going
pretty
decently
lots
of
different
discussions,
a
lot
focused
on
kind
of
neighborhoods
and
making
sure
those
are
quality
conversations.
We
also
have
published
we're
calling
it
an
online
open
house,
essentially
it's
kind
of
the
hybrid
between
the
boards
and
the
PowerPoint
that
you
have
seen
out
of
Outreach.
So
you
can
go
through
and
kind
of
read
that
we
provide
just
a
little
bit
of
context,
because
we
understand
that
sometimes
reading
700
pages
does
not
and
everybody's
exciting
days
anyway.
A
E
Yeah,
so
something
to
just
update
everyone
on
from
when
we
last
met
in
September
and
in
our
publishing
of
the
revised
draft,
with
module
three
and
in
our
Outreach.
E
There
is
this
process
that
we've
been
articulating,
that,
depending
on
the
type
of
application,
and
if
you
are
in
a
loud
use
with
an
allowed
form,
you
would
be
a
type
2
application.
In
most
cases
and
if
you're
on
a
loud
use,
an
alternative
form,
you
would
become
a
Type
3
application
and
then
applying
that
to
the
various
aspects
of
the
code.
E
There
is
a
section
about
the
infill
incentive
that
you
may
all
recall
that
if
you
are
within
a
certain
proximity
of
Our
Best
in
Class
corridors
and
you
qualify
because
you
have
X
amount
of
Frontage,
the
there's
a
an
assessed
value
of
the
property,
that's
less
than
the
land
and
they're
like
kind
of
a
couple,
a
couple
of
scenario
requirements
you
have
to
have.
That
would
read
that:
that's
an
alter,
if
you
don't.
E
If
you
redevelop
that
single
family
parcel
and
do
not
take
advantage
of
the
infill
incentive
that,
if
you
were
to
read
it
as
that,
that's
an
allowed
use
and
you
and
you
don't
want
to
build,
say
like
a
a
Cottage
Court
or
a
multi-family
that
that
would
be
an
alternative
form.
There
was
a
language
in
the
code
that
said
that
you
would
have
to
go
for
a
conditional
use
permit
and
be
treated
as
a
Type
3
application.
E
That
was
a
mistake,
and
so
we
we
didn't
catch
that
as
far
as
like
the
rule
is
you
do
this
when
you
do
that,
and
you
do
this
when
you
do
that
that
info
incentive
wasn't
meant
to
apply
to
that,
so
we
just
wanted
to
flag
it
that
we
did
strike
that
language,
because
it
was
a
mistake
from
the
draft
that
we
had
had
put
on
the
website
and
just
updated
it
with
with
the
correct
language.
But
someone
did
notice
and
announced
us
about
it.
E
So
we
just
at
least
wanted
to
to
call
out
that
there
is
a
like
a
2.0
version
and
it's
it's
mainly
just
getting
rid
of
that
language,
because
it
wasn't
meant
to
apply
for
that
by
right.
With
a
single
family,
home
personal
you
or
you
can
rebuild
a
single-family
home,
you
have
the
option
to
take
advantage
of
an
infinite
incentive,
so
the
allowed
use
alternative
form
doesn't
apply
to
the
incentive,
that's
a
little
confusing,
but
that
was
oh
just
one
update.
We
wanted
to
provide
you
all
right.
E
Sorry
guys
you
wanted
me
to
just
speak
to
our
next
Outreach
opportunities,
so
Lindsay
had
mentioned
that
we
did
already
have
our
two
events
at
Timberline
and
Borah.
So
these
are
the
dates
for
the
other
upcoming
opportunities
for
module.
Three
next
is
November
3rd
at
Capitol,
High
School
we'll
have
a
zoom
discussion
from
noon
to
one
on
November,
8th
November
16th
evening
meeting
at
Ada,
County
Library
on
Victory
and
November
17th,
we'll
be
speaking
at
the
neighborhood
association
leadership
meeting
from
5
30
to
7..
E
So
ample
opportunity
really
appreciate
all
of
you
who
have
already
attended
in
module
one
module,
two
revised
module
one
and
module
two
and
then
module
three
coming
out
to
our
events.
It's
been
just
really
great
to
have
so
much
engagement.
D
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
demonstrate.
Oh.
B
So
real,
quick
Lindsay,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this,
so
I
think
we
talked
about
this
last
time,
but
just
as
a
quick
refresher.
So
you
know
our
sort
of
conceptual
framework
that
we
came
up
with
for
module
three
one
of
the
key
components
of
that
is
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
involving
our
community
and
partners
early
in
the
process,
I
lost
my
slide,
but
I
think
I
can
kind
of
just
do
it
verbally,
but
anyways.
B
Oh
there,
it
goes
okay,
so
this
concept
of
like
involving
community
and
partners
early,
and
what
does
that
mean?
So
if
you
go
one
more
slide,
there's
a
couple
different
ways
that
we
had
proposed
doing
that
one
of
them
would
be
with
the
this
Community
Development
tracker.
So
Lindsay,
are
you
the
one
advancing
the
slides
or
is
there
a
it's
me
yeah?
Next
one,
okay,
thanks!
So
there's
a
couple
different
ways
we
do.
B
This
is
when
we
would
have
neighborhood
meetings,
how
we
would
kind
of
handle
the
the
conversation
between
developers,
neighborhoods
and
PDS,
and
then
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
most
excited
about
was
coming
up
with
what
we're
calling
a
Community
Development
tracker.
B
So
that's
a
mapping
tool
that
would
allow
you
to
see
what
kind
of
projects
are
actually
live
throughout
the
city,
and
so
that's
why
Emily's
here
with
us
today,
to
kind
of
give
us
a
quick
walk
through
on
that,
and
hopefully
some
of
you
have
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
play
around
with
it
and
we're
hoping
that
you
might
have
some
feedback
for
us
as
well.
Thank
you
and
then
Emily
and
we
can
sort
of
field
those
questions
and
then
figure
out
what
we
might
want
to
flag
going
forward.
D
It's
mapped
based
on
status,
so
you'll
see
this
Legend
here
shows
the
different
statuses,
so
it'll
only
show
projects
that
are
accepted
in
review,
return
to
applicant
review,
complete
in
the
hearing
prep
or
appealed
so
once
it's
either
been
approved,
denied
or
withdrawn
it'll
disappear
from
the
map.
So
this
is
only
things
that
are
active
and
it's
updated
within
24
hours.
D
You
can
click
on
any
of
the
any
of
the
permits
areas
and
get
additional
information.
So
this
tells
you
the
status
when
we
received
it.
What's
the
type
of
application
who
the
review
Authority
is
so
this
one
will
eventually
go
to
city
council,
and
then
it
has
just
a
the
beginning
of
the
description.
If
you
want
more
information,
you
can
click
on
this
view
button,
and
this
will
take
you
to
the
website
this
website.
D
Okay,
it's
right
here,
so
search
for
it,
and
then
you
can
click
here
to
get
more
information.
This
website
has
always
been
public
and
publicly
available,
but
there
was
just
not
like
an
easy
way
for
people
to
access
and
see
where
it
was
especially
be
able
to
look
at
it
spatially
and
see.
You
know
what's
going
on
in
my
neighborhood,
but
you
can
go
into
here.
You
can
get
more
detailed
information.
You
can
go
into
here.
D
Also
see
record
details,
documents,
inspections,
so
it's
just
a
way
to
connect
data
that
was
already
out
there
more
easily.
Another
thing
to
notice:
you
can
click
through
if
there's
multiple
permits,
sometimes
there'll
be
multiple
permit
types
for
the
same
development.
Essentially,
so
you
can
click
through
and
see
each
of
the
different
permit
types
and
then
another
thing
you
can
do
is:
if
you
go
down
to
the
contact
us
link,
if
you
click
on
it,
it
will
oh
mine's
not
working
right
now.
D
If
you
don't
have
my
computer,
it
should
open
up
an
email,
that'll
automatically
say
set
into
the
zoning
info
at
city
of
boise.org,
and
then
it
puts
the
permit
number
in
the
subject
line.
So
you
can
type
your
comment
and
it'll
get
sent
to
the
city,
and
then
they
know
what
case
it's
referring
to
so
I
think
that's,
that's
all
I
have.
Is
there
anything
else?
Can
you.
F
Chill
on
the
main
web
page-
and
this
is
embedded
on
the
if
you
haven't
been
on
it
yet
on
the
zoning
code
website
embedded
below
I-
believe
all
of
this.
It's
we're
accepting
comment
on
it,
and
so
this
is
still
it's
works,
but
we
want
to
figure
out
how
to
improve
the
functionality
so
that
this
is
something
that
is
a
tool
for
residents
of
our
city
and
to
make
it
useful
so
that
they
can
be
part
invited
to
participate
in
the
process
and
know
where
things
are
within
the
process.
G
I
got
a
question
and
maybe
I
just
didn't
fiddle
around
with
it
enough,
but
I
was
looking
through
a
project
and
I
think
the
design
review
number
was
listed,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
designer
reviewed
like
if
I
could
access
the
design
review
like
application
documents.
So
if
I
wanted
to
get
into
that,
is
that
an
option.
D
It
I
think
so:
let's
I'll
show
you
how
to
access
the
documents
and
I
don't
know
I'm,
not
totally
familiar
with
what
all
is
available
on
our
public
site.
D
I'm,
not
sure
there
might
be
some
limits.
So
this
is
just
the
application.
So
I
don't
know
what
limits
we
put
on
that
right
now,
yeah.
What
project
is
it
online.
F
G
B
E
For
design
review,
historic
preservation
and
planning
and
zoning
I
think
there's
a
difference
between
when
it's
in
review
versus
review
is
complete
in
hearing
prep.
So
by
hearing
prep
you'll
there'll
be
like
the
report
as
just
whether
or
not
it's
scheduled
for
hearing
or
not.
But
but
the
intention
is
for
like
like
for
each
of
the
different
commissions
and
committees,
the
documents
you
can
get.
G
H
D
F
And
one
thing
that
we
should
say
so:
this
has
built
the
statuses
are
for
our
existing
code
because
it's
showing
live
time,
our
real
code
and
our
real
applications
that
are
being
accepted.
We
a
hundred
percent,
intend
to
massage
the
statuses
to
align
with
the
new
process,
so
it
may
not
stay
accepted.
It
might
say
you
know
conceptual
review,
mid-process
review,
similar
to
those
new
words
and
process
that
we're
proposing
in
the
new
code-
and
it
will
say
you
know,
type
one
application
type,
2
application
so
just
again
reinforcing
our
new
process,
foreign.
A
And
then
there's
a
few
comments
online
with
a
question
and
then
Richard,
as
is
hand
raised,
so
there
was
just
a
couple:
compliments
from
Drew,
Byron
and
Roberta
is
just
saying
this
is
a
great
tool
and
Francis
agreed
and
she
had
a
follow-up
question.
If
the
project
has
already
been
approved.
Is
there
a
similar,
easy
spatial
tool
that
can
be
accessed
via
details
on
the
project,
which
is
something
I
think
we've
talked
about
in
the
future?
Maybe
too
yeah.
D
We
have
talked
about
it,
It's
tricky
because
we'd
have
to
know
how
far
you
know,
because
we
have
data
going
back
to
like
the
90s.
We
don't
want
to.
We
can't
map
everything,
but
how
far
do
we
want
to
do?
We
don't
want
to
do
like
approved
in
the
last
six
months
approved
in
the
last
year.
So
that's
something
to
think
about.
One
limitation
of
our
system
is,
it
might
be
approved.
We
don't
know,
we
probably
wouldn't
know
when
a
building
permit
was
pulled
on
it.
D
A
Yep
exactly
and
then
Richard
you
had
your
hand
raised.
I
Yeah
great
thanks,
I
I,
agree,
really
great
tool.
I
think
it
really
fills
a
void
and
it
will
really
be
helpful
yeah.
So
if
you
just
kind
of
addressed
it
going
back
in
in
or
retaining
these
once,
the
approvals
done
sounds
like
you're
thinking
about
it.
So
that's
good
I
think,
especially
maybe
you
know
we
have
in
my
neighborhood.
There
can
be
lots
that
were
approved.
I
You
know
maybe
five
years
ago,
and
so
people
often
wonder
what's
happening
there,
so
that
could
really
be
helpful,
just
kind
of
to
check
on.
Oh,
you
know
if
they
just
moved
there
or
whatever.
I
What
what
what
to
expect
and
or
is
the
project
okay
is:
is
it
being
developed
in
the
way
that
was
approved,
Etc
and
I
didn't
totally
see
this
and
I
will
go
and
look
at
this
and
we'll
try
to
provide
detailed
feedback,
but
if
there
are
the
dates
of
hearings
and
things
that
archive
up
close,
maybe
you
had
that
I,
just
maybe
didn't
see
yeah,
so
maybe
even
on
that
page
like
the
next
hearing
or
something
that
might
be
kind
of
difficult,
but
but
something
like
that,
because
you
know
thinking
that
people
might
be
looking
at
this,
who
really
aren't
very
familiar
kind
of
with
the
whole
public
process
system
in
general.
I
J
Can
I
bother
you
to
go
through
the
process
again
on
this
map?
Maybe
pick
a
spot
here
and
just
walk
through
what
the
proposed
development
is,
what
the
documentation
is,
whatever
could
could
I
pick
a
spot.
D
D
D
F
Yeah
and
that's
like,
but
two
very
yeah,
so
this
is
public
work.
Sorry,
and
this
is
public
record,
and
so
this
has
always
been
on
the
website,
but
in
of
not
this
simple
of
a
form
so
we're
trying
to
make
it
so
more
transparent
so
that
you
go
oh
I,
see
something
I'm,
curious
or
interested
or
want
to
know
more
about.
Hopefully
this
is
more
accessible.
You
could
click
on
it
see
what
the
status
is
see.
If
there's
any
documents
that
support
it
and
learn
more
about
it.
A
And
Esther
had
a
comment
online
briefly.
That
just
said
identifying.
The
next
comment
period
is
key
to
have
on
the
mapping
tool.
Community
members
want
to
know
that
level
of
info
as
well
just
reiterating
kind
of
Richard's
comments
and
Richard.
You
still
have
your
hand
up.
Did
you
have
another
comment
or
question.
I
No
sorry
just
missed
my
hand,
I'll
take
it
down
just.
F
This
is
Deanna
I.
Think
one
thing
we've
thought
about
with
providing
information
on
next
comment
date:
I
think
Milestones,
like
public
hearing,
are
definitely
tangible
when
it's
once
it's
scheduled,
I
think
that
we've
with
having
the
contact,
the
planner
kind
of
at
any
point,
is
that
this
is.
You
can
always
send
a
planner
information
on
that
specific
project
and
it
goes
on
the
public
record.
F
So
that's
why
we
have
that
contact
us
and
the
direct
email,
because
they're
always
able
to
provide
that
information
and
I
think
with
our
new
process
being
more
clear
about
what
how
the
application
is
developed.
So,
as
we
said
our
current
process,
you
could
go
from
zero
to
a
hundred.
You
know
a
developer
brings
in
whatever
type
of
application
they
want.
You'll
have
more
transparency
on.
F
Is
it
at
concept,
review,
mid-process
review,
and
so
you
know
what
type
of
as
a
resident
you
know
what
type
of
feedback
and
at
what
level
they
are
in
the
planning
process.
So
you
know,
if
you're,
seeing
something.
That's
at
final
review.
I
forget
what
we
called
that
last
one,
but
basically
final
review
or
application
submittal.
You
know
that
they
have
gone
through
concept,
review,
mid-process
review,
so
you're
just
going
to
know
where
it
is
in
that
Spectrum.
A
There
was
another
comment
for
Francis.
Thank
you
for
considering
post
approval.
I
think
one
thing
that
might
trigger
an
inquiry
is
when
the
community
members
have
missed
the
public
comment
in
design
approval
process,
and
then
they
see
a
parcel
under
construction.
They
may
want
to
look
it
up
to
see
what's
happening.
I
would
imagine
a
Year's
worth
of
accessibility,
migration,
so
that's
great
feedback
as
well.
F
And
Emily
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
other,
we
could
potentially
do
a
similar
map
with
just
building
permits.
So
there's
the
planning
permit
and
then
you're
building
permit
yeah.
D
D
B
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
would
just
add
briefly
to
is
that,
certainly,
as
we've
gone
through
this
process,
this
is
definitely
not
a
new
tool
in
the
sense
of
like
planning
tools
that
are
out
there.
There's
a
lot
of
cities,
even
just
in
the
west
that
have
tools
that
are
similar
to
this,
and
we've
had
some
time
to
do
research
and
kind
of
get
inspired
from
what
other
communities
have
done.
B
So
if
it's
something
that
you're
interested
in
and
want
to
kind
of
see
what
the
possibilities
there
are
out
there,
you
can
always
look
in
other
municipalities.
Spokane
Washington
has
one
Seattle,
Washington
I,
think
there's
a
couple.
Bozeman
Montana
has
one
that
is
pretty
cool,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
you
can
go
about
it
and
would
just
recommend
if
it's
a
tool
that
you're
interested
in
want
to
learn
more.
You
can
always
check
those
out
too.
A
We've
also
talked
about-
and
I
can't
really
mentioned
this
at
our
last
meeting
too
like
if
this
is
a
great
tool
for
neighborhood
associations
too.
To
be
able
to
you,
know,
map
out
your
area
be
able
to
pull
a
report.
Some
of
those
feedback
and
comments
would
be
great
too,
to
figure
out
if
we
can
Implement
some
of
those
tools
or
even
if
you're,
just
a
neighbor,
and
you
want
to
get
an
email
anytime.
An
application
goes
within
300
feet
or
something
like
that
again.
A
B
All
right
so
at
this
point
in
this
part
of
our
agenda,
we
wanted
to
take
some
time
for
just
to
hear
what
your
general
feedback
might
be,
so
the
Consolidated
draft
has
been
out
for
a
little
while
now,
hopefully,
you
may
have
had
a
chance
to
look
through
it.
You
probably
have
some
ideas,
questions
and
comments
that
are
starting
to
form
and
Diane.
B
This
is
where
I'm
going
to
kind
of
start
to
kick
it
over
to
you
in
terms
of
just
sort
of
facili
helping
to
facilitate
this
conversation,
but
we
really
wanted
to
open
the
floor
up
and
see
what
you
all
have
been
thinking
and
starting
to
go
through
this
review
and
if
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
to
flag
or
discuss
with
the
committee.
K
I
Don't
worry,
don't
worry,
I
will
I
will
use
my
a
lot
of
time.
We
didn't
hear
last
time
we
didn't
get
to
why
the
Pud
was
moved
from
Planning
and
Zoning.
Commission
straight
to
city,
council
and
I.
Have
I
have
some
pretty
strong
feelings
about
that
in
a
neighborhood
like
mine,
where
we
still
have
you
know
fairly
large
Lots,
planned
units
developments
I
think
are
often
appropriate.
I
think
they
can
be
a
good
tool.
I
You
know
the
the
standard
idea
is
to
Cluster
density
and
maybe
have
some
usable
open
space
but
I'm
sure.
There's
other
reasons,
though
we
did
hear
from
our
consultant
early
on
that
Boise
seems
to
perhaps
overuse
planned,
Union
developments
and
I
think
that's
likely
also
true.
I
So,
but
in
our
neighborhood
you
know
if
there
is
a
if
we're
seeing
an
application
from
likely
a
big
and
powerful
developer
our
window
for
making
any
kind
of
suggestions.
That
may
actually
be
heard
that-
and
it
may
actually
lead
to
what
we
believe
to
be
a
better
development
is
often
in
the
window
between
plan
and
Zoning
commission
and
an
appeal
to
city
council,
either
from
the
applicant
or
from
the
residents,
and
if
we
don't
no
longer
have
that
window
and
just
go
straight
to
city
council
with
the
Pud.
I
I
They
don't
want
to
want
to
address
or
or
meet
at
least
then
it
does
put
a
burden
on
the
applicant
to
kind
of
think
or
discuss
or
justify
their
position,
and
so
without
that
that
window
I'm
afraid
that
city
council
will
be
they'll
feel
the
pressure
to
either
deny
it
or
or
maybe
re-
rework
the
Pud
from
the
dice,
which
is
difficult.
Of
course,
without
that
kind
of
time
period
for
a
maturation,
Richard.
E
F
I
Okay,
so
currently
it
goes
right
to
playing
and
Zoning
for,
for
the
and
playing
zoning
is
the
is
the
decision
body
on
a
PUD,
and
so
now
it's
going
to
okay
right,
so
it
would
still
go
to
play
in
Zoning
for
a
recommendation
like
a
rezone
yeah,
but
right.
Well,
that's
that
that's
a
slightly
better!
But
still
without
that
decision
point
that
client
zoning
it
doesn't
it
doesn't.
You
know
a
recommendation
is
different
than
than
that
decision
and
so
that
there
would
be
no
appeal
period
there
and
I.
I
Yes,
I
know
people
can
appeal
Beyond
city
council,
but
that's
extremely
unlikely.
So
at
any
rate,
thanks
for
the
clarification
but
but
moving
the
decision
body
from
from
playing
zoning
to
City
Council
on
a
PUD
one,
we
didn't
hear
why
they
said
he
wants
to
do
that,
so
that
would
I
think.
Maybe
the
rationale
for
that
is
a
good
place
to
start,
but
I
think
my
comments
stand
so.
K
Thank
you,
which
are
a
couple
of
things
I
would
I,
would
also
add
that,
as
a
as
a
rezone
under
state
law,
the
council
has
to
be
the
decision
maker
on
it,
and
the
other
thing
is
to
remember
that
we've
tried
to
involve
the
neighborhood
and
the
public
much
much
earlier.
There's
earlier
steps
now
for
intervention
at
that
point,
so
the
whole
concept
of
our
proposed
review
processes
in
all
accounts,
is
to
to
to
get
early
and
effective
Community
input
as
possible
in
the
process.
I
Yeah
well,
thanks
for
that
and
I
hope
that
works.
You
know.
Much
of
our
frustration
is
simply
trying
to
have
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
majority
of
the
comprehensive
plan
upheld
in
our
neighborhood.
We,
we
don't
believe
that
it's
upheld
consistently
across
the
city,
and
so,
if
those
earlier
processes
have
some
teeth,
then
I
think
that
you
know
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
considering
we
have
a
comprehensive
plan
already
that
we
that
we
don't
feel
is
is
often
upheld.
I
I'm
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
confidence
that,
at
whatever
earlier
process,
is
likely
to
to
to
move
us
in
that
direction.
But
I
I
can
be
hopeful.
I
didn't
quite
understand
the
comment
about
the
rezone
yes
I
understand
the
rezone
has
to
be
city.
Council
has
to.
I
H
Yeah,
the
rationale
Richard
is
that
yeah,
it's
it.
There
are
two
parts
of
this
in
most
communities
around
the
West,
a
PUD
is
treated
as
a
result.
It's
not
just
a
way
of
adding
flexibility
to
a
development
process
or
getting
a
negotiation
around
a
development
process.
It
Boise's
approach
is
unusual
in
the
sense
that
it
is
sort
of
like
a
cup.
H
Traditionally,
if
you're
gonna,
you
want
to
use
the
negotiation
for
things
that
are
worth
negotiating
and
if
they
are,
then
you
get
the
same
result.
You
still
negotiate
them
with
Planning
and
Zoning.
You
have
the
same
decision,
the
same
process
for
negotiating
and
trying
to
get
a
an
approval
that
that
meets
what
what
should
happen
to
the
land
and
how
the
neighbors
get
their
input
into
it.
But
then
city
council
approves
it
so
in
our
mind,
having
city
council
or
excuse
me
having
Planning
Commission,
make
a
recommendation,
and
the
city
council
make.
H
The
decision
has
got
the
same.
Two
levels
of
review.
The
difference
is
appeals
are
supposed
to
be.
Appeals
are
technically
Planning
and
Zoning
made
a
mistake.
Not
we
don't
like
the
negotiation
and
therefore
we're
going
to
appeal
it
again
to
have
city
council
review
it
again,
appeals
conceptually.
Are
you
use
them
not
for
a
second
bite
at
the
Apple?
You
use
them.
When
there's
been
a
mistake,
when
there's
a
pretty
clear
error
in
how
somebody
has
applied
the
conditions
to
this
decision,
so
in
our
mind
it's
not,
it
shouldn't
be
an
appeal.
H
It
should
just
be.
If
you
want
a
second
bite
at
the
Apple.
Well,
negotiate
it
talk
about
it
at
planning
and
zoning,
get
a
recommendation
and
then
talk
about
it
again
at
city
council
that
that's
kind
of
how
it
ought
to
work,
because
it's
a
misnomer
to
call
it
an
appeal.
An
appeal
technically
means
somebody
made
an
error.
Not
just
I
disagree
with
the
decision
that
was
made
so
I
think
this
is
in
a
more
appropriate
two-step
review
process.
I
Thanks
Don
I
I
think
there
are
both
situations
arise,
but
I
I
think
there
are
times
when
the
issue
is
the
belief
that
an
error
has
been
committed,
but
I
also
understand
what
you're
saying
a
lot
of
times.
It
is
a
disagreement,
I
guess,
I.
I
This
discussion
would
be
it'd,
be
helpful
to
have
some
data
on
how
often
a
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
recommendation
here
in
Boise
is
overturned
at
the
city
council
level,
I'm
afraid
that
the
recommendations
don't
have
much
teeth,
and
so
there
wouldn't
be
much
onus
put
on
the
applicant
if
it
was
the
applicant
or
the
residents
to
do
much
negotiating,
because
they
would
likely
just
believe
that
it
would
be
easy
to
get
an
overturning
of
the
recommendation.
But
but
thanks
for
that,
I'll
I'll
shut
up
and
let
other
people
talk.
A
Thanks
Richard,
we
also
had
a
couple
comments
and
then
Drew
has
his
hand
raised.
There
was
a
quick
question
and
I
think
we
can
answer
quickly
just
about
the
timeline
of
providing
comment
and
feedback.
If
there's
a
hard
deadline
or
soft
deadline,
I
know
some
people
are
trying
to
get
their
neighborhood
feedback
collected
together.
So
maybe
we
just
kind
of
talk
about
the
process.
Staff
is
going
through
too.
F
F
I
don't
know
if
we
put
a
hard
date
for
feedback,
our
staff
review
will
end
in
January
but
again
you're.
This
is
public
process,
so
you
can
always
send
us
feedback
and
we'll,
even
throughout
the
application
process.
L
Yeah
thanks
I'm,
starting
to
talk
with
within
the
neighborhood
a
little
bit
and
just
one
of
the
themes
that
I'm
hearing
and
I
I
sympathize
with
a
little
bit.
Myself
is
just
that.
L
It's
a
complicated
document,
there's
there's
a
lot
here
and
part
of
the
encouragement
that
I've
heard
and
I'm
hoping
God
and
can
ask
the
question
today
is:
if,
if
there's
any
expectation
or
goal
to
kind
of
create
like
a
I,
don't
know
of
a
citizen
guide,
is
the
right
terminology
for
it,
but
something
that
digests
the
code
a
little
bit
to
those
core
areas
that
the
community
often
looks,
looks
to
I.
Don't
know
if
that
can
be
organized
by
use
type.
But
the
code
has
lots
of
caveats
to
it.
L
You
know
asterisks
these
plus
signs
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
areas.
You
have
to
jump
to
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible,
maybe
a
lot
of
the
feedback
you're
getting
will
highlight
those
areas,
but
that's
kind
of
part
of
the
question
and
then,
if,
if
not
a
theme
that
I'm
hearing,
also,
that
would
be
very
helpful,
is
if
there
was
just
more
visual
representations
of
what
you
mean
in
these
sections.
L
It
seems
like
some
of
the
new
content
has
a
lot
of
that,
but
there
are
various
areas
where
those
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
elaborate
or
fancy
I,
don't
think,
but
visualizations
that
say
allow
someone
to
go.
Oh,
that's
what
you
mean
I
think
that
would
be
a
big
benefit
to
the
community
as
well
as
they
interpret
the
document.
B
Yeah
Drew
just
a
really
quickly
respond
to
that
great
points
and
I.
Think
that's
something.
Even
in
this
meeting
we
have
some
slides
in
a
little
bit
that
we'll
go
through
where
we've
been
trying
to
kind
of
summarize
some
of
this
information
and
help
provide
some
guidance
on.
How
do
you
really
apply
the
code
and-
and
it
is
a
very
complicated
document
to
your
point
about
kind
of
having
a
citizen
guide.
B
We
have
had
conversations
about
that,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
would
love
to
have
feedback
from
neighborhoods
and
community
members
or
people
from
the
development
Community.
Whoever
specifics
about,
if
you
have
them
about
what
would
be
helpful
for
you
so
like
visuals,
that's
great
and
like
anything
else
as
specific
as
you
can
be,
is
great.
But
General
comments
are
welcome
too,
but
helping
us
know
what
would
be
useful
for
understanding.
The
document
will
help
us
to
create
tools
that
are
actually
going
to
be
effective.
B
That
is
a
process
that
kind
of
lives
outside
of
writing
the
code
text
itself.
But
it
is
something
that
we'll
continue
to
work
on
as
we
move
through
the
adoption
process
and
I.
Think
I
mean
hopefully
into
the
future
as
well
right
and
there's
already
some
materials
on
our
website
to
try
to
understand
things
like
the
Adu
process.
So
those
could
be
some
examples
that
you
look
at
for.
Is
that
helpful
for
you
or
not?
What
would
be
better
and
we
can
take
it
from
there
so
great
comments.
Thank
you
again.
L
Can
I
just
add
one
more
thing
that
I've
heard
some
questions
on?
Thank
you
for
that
by
the
way
upon
parking
for
residential
parking,
it
seems
like
if-
and
this
is
just
to
help
us
make
sure
we're
interpreting
them
right,
but
there's
now
a
requirement
for
one
per
dwelling
unit.
L
L
The
way
we've
interpreted
it
is
that
it's
based
on
bedroom
count
in
that
when
you
get
to
four
bedrooms,
the
parking
requirement
becomes
three
so.
F
Yeah,
we
should
definitely
check
that
through
it
is
one
parking
spot
per
dwelling
unit
and
then
we
treat
two
three
and
four
unit
residences,
so
a
duplex
Triplex
floorplex,
that's
still
one
per
unit,
but
in
an
effort
to
address
a
specific
type
of
housing.
We
said
if
you're,
a
duplex,
Triplex
or
fourplex
that
has
greater
than
three
bedrooms,
there's
an
additional
requirement
for
more
parking,
so
the
intent-
and
we
can
we'll
definitely
be
cleaning
this
up.
B
It's
it's
not
exactly
the
same
product
as
what
we
would
be
considering
under,
like
just
a
duplex
where
you
have
two
units
and
there's
each
unit
is
a
one
bedroom
unit.
The
the
parking
needs
are
conceivably
very
different
for
those
two
things
so
that
we
thank
you.
We
will
definitely
check
it,
but
some
there
are
some
nuances.
There,
too,.
A
I'll
read
Esther's
comments
that
she
has
said
in
reading
through
module.
Three,
you
may
want
to
consider
providing
examples
of
projects
where
the
planning
director
can
waive
the
neighborhood
meeting
outside
of
stating
when
the
director
doesn't
believe,
there's
adverse
neighborhood
impact
and
then
the
second
comment
it
pertains
to
section
11-5-7
violations,
enforcement
and
compliance.
F
We
have
our
Code
Compliance
team,
reviewing
the
document
with
us
to
make
sure
that
this
is
something
that
they
can
enforce
as
well:
the
affordability
covenants
we're
working
with
our
Housing
and
Community
Development
Division,
who
has
a
monitoring
and
compliance
team
that
currently
already
monitors
our
existing,
affordable
housing
stock,
and
this
would
be
something
that
we're
tracking
on
how
much
new
housing
the
incentives
will
develop,
and
do
we
have
staff
to
ensure
that
it
is
being
monitored
so
that
it
stays
affordable.
A
M
Sorry
I
forgot
to
unmute,
so
I
have
two
questions
or
comments
that
you
can
spend
as
much
or
as
little
time
on.
One
is
that
I
wanted
to
clarify
an
offline
conversation
that
I
had
with
staff,
which
was
in
the
scenario
that
a
utility
easement
was
going
to
be
removed
from
a
parcel.
M
My
question
had
been
like
hey:
how
does
this
play
out
in
module
three
compared
to
current,
and
it
was
really
enlightening
because
it
sounded
like
in
module
three
that
level
of
you
know
application
or
that
that
level
of
application,
which
is
really
the
vacation
of
a
utility
easement,
would
have
to
go
through
many
many
more
steps
than
current
the
current
code
requires
and
I
don't
have
an
opinion
of
whether
or
not
that's
good
or
bad
as
much
as
I
have
an
opinion
of.
M
If
you
have
to
go
through
the
steps
that
include,
you
know,
neighborhood
Outreach
and
having
a
neighborhood
meeting
I,
just
I,
think
it's
really
important.
That
neighbors
and
developers
understand
what
their
roles
are,
because
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
a
neighbor
has
much
control
over
whether
or
not
a
utility
easement
between
a
property
owner
and
a
public
utility
district
can
be
vacated.
If.
M
If
all
parties
that
hold
any
right
to
easement
agree
and
so
I
guess
all
I'm
saying
is
I
really
just
think
we
need
to
understand-
or
it
needs
to
be
clear
if
you're
having
neighborhood
meetings
and
requiring
to
have
neighborhood
meetings,
that
the
people
that
are
invited
know
what
their
role
is
and
what
they're
allowed.
You
know
what
what
they,
what
power
they
have
and
I
think
so.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
I
know
I
talked
about
that
in
the
past
and
then
so.
M
That's
like
the
one
point
is
only
have
more
steps
if
they're,
if
they're
going
to
be,
if
they're
going
to
add
value
and
then
the
my
next
point
is
more
like
high
level
and
I
don't
know.
If
now
is
the
right
time
to
bring
it
up,
but
I'll
I'll
try
to
be
concise
and
you
all
can
decide
whether
or
not
you
want
to
address
it.
This
is
super
complicated
stuff.
M
The
monitoring
you
know
that
was
just
asked
about
is
a
really
important
Point
how
things
get
judged
over
time,
and
it
just
has
occurred
to
me
and-
and
we
did
talk
about
this
a
few
a
few
sessions
ago,
but
if
there
is
a
way
to
build
in
progress
right
to
build
in
progress
to
the
zoning
code
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
this
existing
code
is,
you
know,
was
created
in
1966,
and
you
know
so.
M
It's
been
50
some
odd
years
or
70
years
and
I
just
wonder
if
there's
a
way,
VIA
adoption
of
this
presumed
adoption
of
a
new
code
to
have
some
checks
and
balances
over
time
like
in
year,
five,
the
senior
a
senior
planner
needs
to
tell
Council.
You
know
how
well
it's
performed,
how
how
many
people
or
how
many
projects
have
used
this
affordability
incentive.
How
many
more
Transit
stops
have
been
able
to
be
created
due
to
rooftops
or
I.
M
Don't
know
what
all
the
metrics
would
be,
but
if
there's
a
way
to
have
a
sort
of
performance
wrapped
into
it,
so
that
not
only
staff
but
also
leadership
is
sort
of
required
or
strongly
suggested
to
sort
of
revisit
on
a
relatively
regular
basis,
and
it
can
also
be
in
relationship
to
Transit
because
a
lot
of
the
transit,
the
high
Transit
routes,
that
we've
identified
for
high
density
are
exactly
what
we
want
today,
but
in
20
years
you
know,
maybe
there's
going
to
be
other
routes
that
are
also
slated
for
you
know
Blue,
Ribbon,
transit
or
whatever,
and
can
is
there
a
point
upon
which
we
can
sort
of
force
this
to
be
Revisited?
B
Yeah
thanks
Chillin
I
think
that's
definitely
a
conversation
that
we
have
internally,
as
staff
we've
been
having
throughout
this
process.
Is
you
know
once
the
code
is
adopted?
What
what
is
our
process
going
to
look
like
going
forward
into
the
future
for
how
we
continue
to
revisit
and
refine
you
know.
B
Obviously,
we
have
a
lot
of
confidence
in
the
huge
amount
of
effort,
that's
going
into
making
sure
that
we
get
things
right,
but
it's
not
until
we
have
the
code
that
we'll
really
know
how
everything
works
on
the
ground
so
that
that
is
definitely
something
that
we
are
tracking
to,
and
so,
if
you
have
thoughts
about
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
would
like
to
see,
sort
of
examined
as
time
goes
on,
which
you've
already
mentioned
some
of
them.
So
thank
you
for
that,
but
that's
always
helpful
feedback
too.
F
And
just
really
quick
to
your
first
point:
shellin
about
knowing
roles.
We
had
a
really
great
suggestion
at
our
last
community
outreach
meeting
at
Borah,
High
School,
where
it
was,
is
there
a
way
with
the
reporting
of
the
neighborhood
meeting,
not
only
just
requiring
the
developer
to
send
feedback
to
us?
But
could
this
city
help
with
scaffolding
of
what
is
the
feedback
that's
relevant
to
the
application
type?
So
what
are
the
things
that
will
have
a
productive
conversation
between
developer
and
Resident
on
a
project
type?
N
N
I
really
appreciated
Drew's
comments
on
the
the
citizen
guide,
I've
gotten
that
feedback
from
a
lot
of
folks,
including
in
the
development
community,
that
just
on
how
complicated
a
document
is
I,
think
it
needs
to
be
complicated.
But
I
think
people
would
appreciate
that.
Another
comment,
I've
gotten
from
a
lot
of
folks,
is
there's
really
nobody
in
the
development
Community
locally.
That
has
true
Transit,
supported
development,
expertise
on
that
mx4
zone.
So
everyone's
just
kind
of
skipping,
the
review
of
mx4,
including
me,
I,
mean
I've.
N
But
it
relates
to
page
313
the
use
specific
building
form
the
allowed
use
alternative
form,
I'm,
just
I'm,
trying
to
think
through
I
think
all
the
unintended
consequences
that
could
come
from
this,
and
that's
that's
really
the
angle
I'm
going
for
it
applies
to
a
lot
of
different
uses.
N
N
So
this
applies
to
those
uses
going
into
buildings
that
don't
meet
certain
height
requirements
in
the
MX
one
three
and
five
zones,
and
when
I
first
read
it
I
mean
some
of
the
feedback.
I've
gotten
from
I
think
we've
all
gotten
this
feedback
from
the
community.
Everybody
loves
having
more
commercial
in
the
neighborhoods.
So
when
I
think
about
that
mx1
and
having
this
height
limitation
on
bringing
office
personal,
you
know
Business,
Services,
restaurant
brew,
pubs
and
retail
sales.
It's
a
limitation
to
getting
those
into
the
neighborhoods
I
think
that's
going
backwards.
N
There
is
the
condition
in
mx1
which
I
like
that
says.
If
it's
in
an
existing
building,
that's
being
converted,
then
they
don't
have
to
go
through
what's
effectively
a
cup
process,
so
that's
nice,
but
then,
when
you
drop
over
to
the
MX3
and
MX-5
that
existing
building
use
goes
away,
so
I
can
just
think
about
a
bunch
of
uses
in
downtown
Boise
like
if
a
restaurant
wanted
to
go
in
at
the
old
Louie's
building
they'd
have
to
go
through
the
cup.
N
We
just
did
the
mother
earth
Brew
Pub,
Rocky
Mountain
did
that
would
have
had
to
have
gone
through
a
cup
the
bandana
running.
You
know
all
those
would
be
cup
processes
which
add
at
least
four
months
to
the
applicant's
time
frame
for
getting
open
and
just
adds
uncertainty
for
the
process
and
it's
going
to
clog
up.
City
staff.
Doing
staff
reports
on
whether
or
not
retail
uses
should
be
going
into
existing
spaces
in
downtown
Boise,
all
of
9th
Street.
Those
are
all
you
know,
little
retail
shops
and
offices
that
that
would
be
applicable
here.
F
Thanks
man
into
that
last
part,
I
know
that's
been
brought
up
to
us
before
and
we're
thinking
about.
You
know
not
wanting
or
wanting
to
continue
to
encourage
adaptive
for
use
of
existing
buildings.
A
We
have
a
couple
comments
online,
that
I'll
read
really
quickly
so
Richard
had
said:
I
agree
with
Esther
that
waving
the
neighborhood
and
development
meeting
is
inherently
problematic.
It's
hard
to
forget
that
in
2018,
Blue
Valley
was
denied
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
99
Bay
Trucking
terminal
with
a
fueling
station
150
feet
from
the
front
doors
of
their
decision
by
the
planning
director
and
then
Drew.
He
went
back
to
his
comment.
A
It
was
page
263,
Deanna
off
street
parking
and
then
he
said,
duplex
Triplex
and
fourplex
all
require
three
plus
parking
spots.
If
there
are
four
plus
bedrooms,
this
almost
seems
to
penalize
the
use
when
a
five-bedroom
single
family
detached
only
requires
one.
The
issue
I've
observed
is
not
much
is
not
so
much
the
bedroom
count,
but
the
bedroom
type
of
each
bedroom
in
a
four
plus
bedroom
home
duplex
Etc
has
a
full
bathroom,
that's
probably
geared
to
multi
household
living.
A
F
Good
suggestion,
Drew
yeah
we've
been
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
recognize
the
impact
that
that
type
of
housing
that
you're
describing
where
it's
for
you
know,
say
four
bedrooms,
four
bathrooms
where
it's
meant
for
you
know
single
leases
and
how
to
accurately
address
the
impact
of
that
in
a
neighborhood,
especially
in
terms
of
parking,
so
I
think
perhaps
yeah.
Adding
some
sort
of
layer
of
a
review
might
be
a
good
suggestion.
G
A
Byron
had
a
comment
and
so
to
Ben's
point
about
existing
buildings.
I
have
been
reading
about
adaptive,
reuse
projects
in
other
communities,
and
many
of
the
incentives
that
are
used
include
streamlined
approvals,
since
the
exterior
of
the
building
doesn't
change
much
and
no
new
parking
requirements.
I
said
sorry
I'm
in
a
public
spot
and
can't
use
my
mic,
but.
J
This
is
Brad
Nielsen
there's
been
something
that's
been
on
my
mind
for
a
couple
months
now.
Maybe
this
is
going
backwards,
but
you
had
a
slide.
That
was
the
mixed
use
slide
with
the
incentives
for
multi-level.
It
was
one
of
the
first
slides
you
had,
but
what
it
looked
like
to
me
was
that
we
were
encouraging
three
plus
levels
there,
with
less
review
compared
to
three
or
less.
Is
that
what
I'm
reading
there.
F
So
this
is
for
specific
areas
in
our
city,
so
on
State,
Street,
Fairview
and
Vista.
This
would
apply
in
the
MX
or
anywhere
that's
in
an
MX3
and
so
correct.
We
have
set
up
a
height
maximum,
which
is
60
feet,
but
what
we
want
to
do
is
encourage
directing
that
development,
where
we
have
the
investment
so
in
a
way
to
encourage
that
we're,
providing
the
we're
establishing
an
allowed
use
in
a
loud
form,
which
is
what
it
is
allowed.
J
F
Yeah-
and
so
it's
just
so
that
we're
not
kind
of
to
the
what
we
heard
a
lot
from
our
community
was,
we
want
to
know
that
growth
is
going
to
be
directed
in
specific
areas
where
we
have
the
infrastructure
and
the
investment.
So
one
of
this
is
a
tool
to
get
exactly
what
we
want
where
we
want
it,
so
providing
an
incentive
to
get
that
type
of
development
there,
as
opposed
to
in
other
areas
of
our
city,
is.
J
That
kind
of
incentive
happening
right
now.
No,
it's
not
because
I'm
currently
working
on
a
an
apartment,
building
right
now
you
might
probably
aware
of
it.
It's
Hillcrest,
it's
a
three-story
building
of
any
place
that
would
probably
been
a
good
spot
to
put
multiple
levels
because
it's
down
in
a
little
down
below
the
hill
there,
so
the
height
wouldn't
have
been
an
issue.
J
Maybe
the
Restriction
there
would
have
been
the
parking
availability.
I
have
a
you
know,
I
think
it's
108
units
and
120
parking
spots,
so
most
likely
that
parking
is
going
to
bleed
out
into
the
commercial
parking.
That's
there
already,
so
I'm,
not
sure
what
my
point
really
is
there,
but
that
would
have
probably
been
a
good
project
that
that
would
have
allowed
for
more
levels,
I'm
good
to
hear
that
there
is
a
height
restriction
for
these
MX
up
against
Residential.
B
And
this
this
slide
is
somewhat
condensed
of
the
allowed
use,
allowed,
form
and
alternative
form.
The
stories
is
the
one
that's
called
out,
but
there's
a
sort
of
a
menu
of
criteria
that
would
need
to
be
met
in
addition
to
that,
so
it's
not
just
the
vehicle,
for
this
is
not
just
well.
Yes,
we
want
to
have
you
know
full
use
of
the
height
that
is
allowed
to
you
in
your
Zone,
like
you're,
actually
taking
advantage
of
the
height
that
you
can
have
in
your
zone
so
that
we're
making
use
of
these
somewhat.
B
You
know
limited
areas
of
land
that
we
have
zoned
as
MX3,
where
we
have
good
Transit
service
and
we
can
have
that
higher
density
of
residents,
but
there's
there's
other
stipulations
as
well,
and
I
can't
remember
what
they
are
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
think
one
is
like
not
putting
in
a
huge
excess
of
parking.
B
Some
of
them
might
be
like
having
more
than
one
use
within
the
building
like
in
an
mx1
zone.
So
there's
there's
more
detail
to
it
that
you
might
want
to
look
at
as
well.
I
You
so
today,
I
was
writing
comments
for
a
city
council
hearing
coming
up
next
Tuesday,
but
the
agenda
and
the
agenda
packet
have
not
been
posted.
Yet
that
didn't
used
to
happen
very
often
it
seems
to
be
more
the
rule
rather
than
the
exception
this
day
and
age.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
was
an
explicit
policy
change,
but
it'd
be
a
great
thing
to
address
here.
It's
hard
to
write
comments.
I
If
we
don't
know
the
position
of
City
staff
or
even
the
agenda,
we
don't
even
have
the
agenda
yet
so
typically,
now
the
agendas
are
posted
a
few
hours.
You
know
Friday
and
Friday,
and
we
have
to
submit
public
comments
on
Thursday.
So
anyhow,
maybe.
F
A
I
Yeah,
so
we
you
know
and-
and
our
comments
won't
be-
you
know,
they're
they're
considered
late
comments.
Just
that's
the
terminology
right.
They
don't
actually
go
in
the
packet,
because
obviously
you
can't
have
the
packet
before
finalize
before
all
the
comments
are
in
but
yeah.
So
so
we
don't
even
have
the
agenda
yet,
what's
going
to
be
on
City
Council
on
Tuesday,
and
yet
we
have
to
provide
comments
before
the
agenda
is
published.
So
that's
a
problem
right,
that's
obviously,
a
problem
yeah.
I
N
No
problem:
hey
Ben
zamzo,
one
other
comment
that
came
up
from
another
developer
in
town
I
had
been
explaining
it
that
everything
in
the
downtown
planning
area
got
mapped
to
MX-5.
N
But
he
pointed
out
that
the
current
YMCA
and
the
properties
to
the
north
of
State
Street
are
on
the
downtown
planning,
but
it
goes
pretty
deep
into
the
neighborhoods.
So
what
was
the
what's
the
thought
process
on
on
that
and
what?
What
should
owners
of
that
property
expect?
Should
they
expect
to?
Because
it's
now
been
mapped
to
mx1?
Would
they
come
in
for
a
rezone
after
yeah.
F
So
the
rule
for
downtown
and
again
the
conversion
map
is
still
draft
and
we're
planning
to
continue
to
have
conversations
on
that
and
we'll
release
another
draft
soon.
But
the
initial
rule
for
downtown
was,
if
you
were
one
of
our
higher
intensity
commercial
zones.
You
were
converted
to
MX-5.
So
if
you
were
C2
C3,
C4,
C5
and
Ro,
that
made
the
conversion.
If
you
were
the
lower
intensity,
commercial
and
office
zones,
n-o-l-o
Etc
I,
don't
think
I'm,
forgetting
it
yeah
PC
I
knew
there
was
one
more
low
one
lower
intensity.
F
N
E
I,
don't
want
to
talk
about
like
a
specific
project
necessarily,
but
we
have
tried
to
make
everything
convert
to
something
else
and
not
rezone
anything.
It's
like
to
like
the
timing
of
that
project.
If
it
were
to
come,
I
think
there's
a
conversation
just
about
like
what
does
that
rezone
to,
but
we're
not
we're,
not
ourselves
rezoning.
E
Anything
there'd
have
to
be
some
some
conversations
and
process
around
it,
so
it
just
depends
on
when
it
would
happen
as
we
get
closer
to
adoption
or
submitting
first
like
after
the
code
is
adopted,
but
but
it's
it's
a
comp
that
that's
a
complicated
area
and
I.
We
just
aren't
going
to
start
like
picking
other
Parcels
to
rezone.
B
B
You
know
looking
for
the
the
multi-layered
rationale
of
the
the
current
zoning
map
that
we
have
the
new
zones
that
we
have
made
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
straightest
conversion
to
those
is
and
then
also
understanding,
kind
of
the
the
future
land
use
and
how
that
factors
into
it
as
well.
So
that
includes
you,
know,
planning
areas
from
the
comprehensive
plans,
the
downtown
planning
area
or
you
know
what
is:
are
we
matching
the
future
land
use
maps
so
that
we're
not
straying
too
far
from
that?
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
have
to
go
into
that
rationale,
for
how
we
develop
a
conversion
and
trying
to
make
it
as
consistent
as
possible.
So
yeah,
it's
definitely
a
challenge,
but
I
would
say
if
people
have
questions
about
the
conversion
map.
That
now
is
definitely
a
good
time
to
to
send
us
emails
about
that,
and
then
we'd
be
happy
to
to
like
look
at
the
questions
or
comments
that
they
have
yeah.
E
I
think
the
overarching
question
is:
does
it
make
sense
what
it
was
and
what
we're
mapping
to
and
then
there
might
be
I
and
we
know
there's
a
few
areas
where
it
seems
like
that
conversion
doesn't
completely
solve
what
maybe
the
future
land
use
could
be.
But
there's
there's
additional
study,
research,
conversation
and
then
like
intentionally
looking
at
at
these.
These
places
with
more
care
than
just
like
it
kind
of
feels
like
it's
something
different
because
then
it
would.
It
would
just
start
that
mapping
wouldn't
make
that
logic.
N
E
A
And
we
had
just
one
quick
comment
from
Sheldon,
which
I
think
we've
heard
from
another
developer
as
well.
Just
saying
60-foot
Max
is
hard
to
create
four
over
one.
In
other
words,
if
MX3
is
wanting
to
do
four
stories
of
residential
over
a
level
of
commercial,
it
will
not
be
likely.
Drew
did
have
his
hand
raised.
I,
don't
see
it
anymore,
Drew.
Let
us
know
if
you
have
something
else
to
say
otherwise,
we'll
go
to
the
next
slides
foreign.
K
Mentally
to
move
on
then
we'll
we'll
go
ahead.
We,
as
mentioned
we're
working
with
staff
on
a
weekly
basis
and
going
through
the
code
both
for
them
to
better
understand
that,
as
well
as
to
get
their
feedback,
because
they're
on
the
ground,
meeting,
clients
and
and
the
public
every
day.
K
So
their
input
is
critically
important
to
the
process,
and
one
of
the
things
we've
been
trying
to
do
with
them
is
to
to
bring
us
some
case
studies
and
some
scenarios
that
we
can
actually
apply
the
code
to
because
it's
one
thing
to
just
read
through
it.
But
it
becomes
more
real
and
living
for
you
when
you
actually
have
to
actually
take
a
a
property
and
and
and
consider
what
could
be
built
on
it
and
what
the
process
would
be
and
what
the
standards
would
be.
So
then,
you
move
to
the
next
slide.
K
I
want
to
I
want
to
give
kudos
to
Roberta,
because
she
really
provided
a
great
Segway
into
this
discussion,
which
is
that
the
process
in
the
code
that
we
look
at
is
really
a
a
set
of
steps
and
the
first
one
is
zoning,
District
regulations
and
I.
K
This
code
is
more
than
that
in
order
to
meet
the
city's
goals
and
for
a
number
of
reasons,
we've
created
a
lot
more
flexibility
into
what
can
happen,
and
we've
also
tried
to
reduce
the
number
of
conditional
use
permits
through
adding
yes,
you
can
have
this
use
in
that
District,
but
it
requires
additional
standards.
K
So
all
of
those
also
also
play
into
what
can
be
done
with
this
piece
of
property.
So
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
Lena
took
my
and
now
I
can't
read
it.
Lena
took
my
my
cooking
analogy,
my
baking
analogy
and
provided
a
little
less
illustrations
that
again
try
to
explain
this,
which
is
that
the
zoning
districts
regulations
really
talk
about
what
kind
of
baking
am
I
am
I
doing
so
from
The
cookbook
they're,
picking
out
the
baking
or
the
district
that
they
want
to
do.
K
K
So,
with
the
staff
meetings
we
as
I
mentioned,
are
trying
to
have
them,
bring
us
case,
studies
that
we
can
apply
the
code
to-
and
these
are
a
couple
I
think
that
came
from
the
community
meeting-
is
that
right,
Lena
yeah?
These
are
a
couple
ones
that
came
up
at
Community
meetings
and
we
thought
we
would
share
these
with
you
and
then
we're
going
to
ask
for
you
to
think
of
some
your
own
case
studies,
maybe
even
take
your
own
piece
of
property
and
think
about
something
different.
K
You
would
like
to
do
with
that
piece
of
property
and
walk
through
the
code
and
see
how
the
code
would
apply
to
it.
So
this
is
a
homeowner
in
the
r1a,
the
large
slot
zoning
district,
and
they
want
to
build
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
the
backyard
on
their
large
lot.
So
you
can
see
there's
a
aerial
photo.
That
shows
you
that
middle
large
lot
with
the
large
area
of
expanse
for
an
Adu
and
then
the
kind
of
building
type
they
probably
would
want
to
build
is
is
a
unit
above
a
garage.
K
So
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
Yeah,
okay
and
now
I
can't
read
these
at
all.
Okay.
So
using
that
stair
step
formula
that
we
talked
about
that
you
know
the
first
question
the
planner
is
going
to
ask
them:
is
what
zone
is
the
city
in
and
the
answer
will
be
it's
an
r1a
and
they
can
verify
that
by
looking
at
the
the
zoning
map
that's
online
and
then
they
can
also
look
at
the
the
first
second
chapter
which
identifies
the
residential
zoning
districts.
K
Then
the
second
question
is:
are
there
additional
overlays
or
zoning
districts
that
apply
to
this,
and
the
answer
to
that
is
no,
and
they
can
again
find
that
in
that
same
chapter
on
the
description
of
the
online
overlay
districts
and
then
is
it
an
allowed
use?
Yes,
it
is.
They
go
to
the
use
table
and
they
see
it
has
an
a
with
an
asterisk.
K
The
asterisk
indicates
that,
yes,
it's
an
allowed
use,
but
there
are
certain
standards
that
have
to
be
met
in
order
to
construct
their
Adu,
and
so
then
the
planner
would
direct
them
to
that
section,
which
has
I
think
a
half
a
dozen
or
so
standards
related
to
the
size
owner,
occupancy,
Etc
and
then
do
I
need
the
density
requirements
for
my
zone
and,
yes,
an
Adu
is
exempt
from
the
density
maximums
in
the
r1a
district
and
there's
the
citations
for
where
they
can
find
that
information
and
then
what
dimensional
standards
do
I
need
to
consider
do
I
have
enough
room
and
they
need
to
look
at
the
standards
related
to
building
High,
building
setback
and
lot
size.
K
Those
are
in
addition
to
the
use
standards
for
the
particular
Adu
building,
and
then
we
folded
this
in
the
in
in
the
last
question,
because
sometimes
this
is
the
one
that's
the
most
imperative,
and
that
is
what
are
the
design
standards
do
I
need
to
consider,
and
those
are
number
one,
as
as
many
developers
in
the
room
know,
parking
can
really
be
the
bottom
line
for
what
can
be
done
on
a
piece
of
property,
so
parking
access,
building
form
any
exceptions
except
incentives,
Hillside
restrictions,
tree
mitigation
Etc
all
of
those
would
apply
or
could
apply
in
this
circumstance
and
need
to
be
reviewed.
K
Let's
anybody
have
questions
at
this
point:
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
you're,
good,
okay,
okay,
so
so
in
this
example
we
know
an
Adu
is
allowed
in
the
zone.
We
know
the
parcel's
big
enough
to
build
it.
We've
looked
at
the
use
standards
and
we
know
it
can
comply
from
with
those.
So
what
are
the
other
things
that
that
are
needed
to
be
looked
at
for
this
project
to
work?
K
So
since
the
Adu
is
an
accessory
structure,
is
there
flexibility
in
on
placing
it
in
the
setback?
And
the
answer
is
yes,
we
believe
so
it's
it.
It
meets
the
definition
of
an
accessory
structure,
it's
detached,
and
so
it
can
meet
those
exceptions
within
as
long
as
it's
less
than
400
square
feet,
500
square
feet,
500
square
feet,
so
I'm,
looking
at
those
exceptions,
is
an
important
one
to
view,
because
that
will
allow
the
existing
garage
to
be
used.
K
I
need
to
provide
a
parking
space
and
want
to
extend
my
driveway
for
the
Adu
access.
What
standards
do
I
need
to
follow,
and
so
here
again
these
are
those
more
detailed
standards
that
can
really
make
or
make
break
a
project,
and
that
relates
to
parking
and
access
and
connectivity
applicable
to
that
site
development
and
then,
finally,
is
the
issue
of
removing
trees
to
make
the
Adu
fit,
and
can
they
do
that,
then
they
would
have
to
look
at
the
landscaping
and
particularly
the
tree
preservation
standards
that
are
in
that
section.
K
So
it's
not
it's
this
code
because
we
love
it
goes
Way
Beyond,
just
the
question
of
can
I
can
I
build
in
that
zoning
District.
K
J
I'm
sure
they're
required
to
meet
standards.
You
know,
like
sewer
and
I,
know,
there's
still
a
lot
of
residential
that
has
septic
tanks
and
obvious
drainage
fields.
So
I
mean
who
do
you?
Who
do
you
talk
to
there?
Is
it
the
CDC
or
yeah.
K
A
We
did
have
a
question
that
came
in
from
Daniel
that's
relevant
to
adu's
and
he
asked
are
we
going
to
revisit
whether
Adu
should
require
owner
occupancy?
All
the
pro-housing
reach
research
shows
that
the
owner
occupancy
requirement
limits
the
creation
of
affordable
units.
Can
we
have
a
discussion
about
this,
or
are
we
resigned
to
the
anti-affordable
status
quo?
Well,.
K
We
certainly
can
have
a
discussion
about
that.
I
know
that
some
of
the
current
best
practices
are
eliminating
the
owner
occupancy
across
the
country.
I,
don't
know,
maybe
don
might
have
some
better
knowledge
about
that
than
I
do.
But
right
now
there
is
an
owner
occupancy
requirement
in
the
in
the
proposed
code.
So
yeah.
O
I'm,
just
I'm
I'm
Daniel,
here
I'm,
just
chiming
in
it's
just
like
this-
is
our
chance
to
change
the
code.
So
this
is
one
of
these
things
that
like,
if
we
want
to
be,
you
know,
support
affordable
housing
in
Boise.
Like
all
the
research
says,
you
know,
if
you
constrain
that
part
of
the
you
know,
people
landlords
from
building
more
housing
in
their
backyards,
we're
going
to
have
less
affordable
housing,
so
I,
just
like
I,
really
think
we
should
I
mean
I'm
a
strong
advocate
of
getting
rid
of
this
requirement.
O
There's
lots
of
I
mean
all
the
pro-housing
groups.
Don't
think
we
should
have
it
it's.
You
know
it
was
a
you
know.
It
was
a
concession
to
the
you
know
to
the
people
who
were
worried
by
things,
but
I.
Don't
I,
don't
get
the
logic
of
not
allowing
you
know
land.
You
know
somebody
who's,
renting
a
house
to
put
an
Adu
in
the
back
and
double
the
amount
of
units
of
you
know:
affordable
rental
units
in
our
community.
H
You're
exactly
right:
this
is
the
right
time
to
revisit
it.
It
is
it
to
be
very
honest.
It's
a
it's
a
political
answer.
Historically,
many
of
the
codes
most
of
the
codes
we've
seen
did
include
an
owner
occupancy
because
that
made
it
politically
acceptable.
People
were
willing
to
have
something
over
the
garage
if
they
knew
that,
if
anybody
misbehaved
or
there
was
a
problem,
they
could
ring
the
neighbor's
doorbell
and
they
would
get
the
property
owner
I'm.
H
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me
better
now,
it's
still
pretty
quiet.
Okay,
I'll
keep
my
answer
short.
Then
I,
I'm
speaking
pretty
loud,
I,
don't
know
what
the
what
the
issue
is
here.
Historically,
people
were
more
willing
to
accept
adus
with
an
owner
occupancy
requirement.
So
the
short
answer
is
it
was
a
political
compromise
made
and
in
most
cases
knowing
that
it
would
reduce
the
number
of
adus.
You
are
completely
correct
it.
The
trend
is
to
remove
that
requirement
and
the
answer
is
not
a
technical
one.
H
It
is
whether
you
can
get
that
passed.
It
is
a
matter
of
balancing
the
affordable
housing
need,
which
is
no
doubt
very
great,
with
the
citizens
willingness
to
accept
both
of
the
nearby
properties
as
rentals,
and
there.
O
Has
been
yeah,
thank
you,
you
know
and
I
think
that's
exactly
right
and
again.
If
we
can't
you
know,
if
we
can't
make
that
change,
we
should
just
remove
the
the
claim
that
we
care
about
affordable
housing,
we're
trying
to
make
housing
more
affordable
in
Boise
right,
because
it's
like
this
is
like
this
is
a
part
of
the
market.
You
have
landlords,
I
mean
I,
have
I,
know
a
company
that
that
focuses
is
on
building
adus
in
Seattle
and
they
were
interested
in
Boise
as
a
market.
H
I'll
shut
up
now,
the
only
the
thing
I
would
say
is
that,
like
most
things
in
Adu
all
of
the
parade
of
potential
horribles,
oh
my
gosh,
this
will
happen.
This
will
happen.
This
far
don't
happen.
I
will
say
that,
as
people
have
said,
oh
it'll,
you
know
putting
in
the
neighborhoods
a
room,
the
neighborhoods,
no
evidence
it's
the
fight
to
get
it
adopted.
Once.
O
H
A
There's
just
a
couple
comments
online
and
then
we'll
go
over
to
Brad
shell
and
just
quickly
said:
I
agree,
Daniel,
it's
low
hanging
fruit
and
then
Francis
said.
The
zoning
code
map
does
not
seem
to
indicate
a
likely
conversion
for
Parcels
or
lands
that
are
not
yet
annexed
into
the
city.
Is
there
a
process
in
the
code
that
describes
annexation
and
code
conversion
for
currently
unincorporated
areas.
F
F
We
do
have
that's
where
the
comprehensive
plan
comes
in
and
our
future
land
use
map
that
does
have
a
land
use
designations
and
then,
just
in
like
the
very
first
chapter
of
the
code,
General
Provisions,
it
describes
how
we
approach
in
terms
of
process
the
area
of
City
Impact
and
if
annexation
occurs
as
well
in
process
and
procedures
for
the
actual
process
to
Annex
land.
J
I
have
no
problem
with
family
members
living
in
the
you
know
in
another
unit,
but
I
think
this
encourages
the
the
bed
and
breakfast
or
the
airbnbs,
whatever
whatever
that
is
and
discourages
ownership
I
think
we
got
enough
rentals
around
here
and
I.
Think
that's
a
problem.
I,
don't
think
that
helps
with
affordable
housing.
I
think
it
encourages
higher
rents,
there's
more
money
being
made
on
bed
and
breakfast
or
whatever.
That
is.
They
call
that
so
yeah
I
disagree.
I
Thanks
yeah,
since
we're
opening
this
up
a
little
bit,
so
we
often
are
discussing
the
public
process
under
the
belief
that
you
know
Boise
is
is
onerous
and
it's
in
its
public
process,
and
that
makes
it
difficult
to
to
approve
units,
and
we
just
you
know,
one
thing
that's
frustrating
to
me
is
that
we
don't.
We
haven't
seen
the
data
that
show
that
the
public
process
is
the
the
issue.
That's
slowing
things
down
or
creating
barriers
to
affordable
housing.
I
I
I
just
noticed.
There's
the
Wharton
residential
land
use
and
regulation
index.
Corelogic
published
this
just
a
little
bit
ago
and
Boise
is
in
the
bottom
25
of
Metro
areas
in
terms
of
Regulation
stringency.
So
in
general
you
know
it's
not
it's,
not
a
city
that
is
difficult
to
develop
in
also.
We
often
hear
well
along
the
same
lines
there
Boise
when
they
put
out
their
findings
regarding
what
are
the
barriers
to
affordable
housing?
I
This
was
the
one
I
haven't
looked
at
the
new
one,
but
the
older
one
said:
here's
a
quote.
One
of
the
challenges
in
working
a
project
through
the
development
review
process
is
the
applicants
often
do
not
provide
the
full
depth
of
informative
and
information
and
disclosure
allows
planners
and
reviewers
to
approve
a
development
proposal
in
the
time
of
this
manner.
I
K
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
second
example:
oh,
and
this
is
the
the
application
process
that
the
Adu
would
go
through.
It's
a
type
2
allowed
use,
so
it
would
require
a
concept
review
committee,
meeting
application
submittal
at
100
percent
in
a
staff
report
and
a
decision.
K
So,
let's
go
to
the
second
example
and
this
one's
a
little
more
interesting.
This
is
a
developer
who
wants
to
build
a
multi-family
project
at
at
Bannock
and
I
think
between
19th
and
21st.
It's
a
very
as
you
can
see,
and
some
of
you
probably
know
this
a
lot.
It's
a
pretty
unique
lot
in
its
configuration.
B
Yeah
sorry
I
just
want
to
make
a
disclaimer
here.
These
are
hypotheticals,
I
went
on
the
map
and
I
looked
for.
I
looked
for
a
vacant
parcel
in
an
R3,
Zone
and
I
picked
this
one
in
particular,
because
it
it
has
some
interesting
issues
with
the
site
shape,
and
so
it
just
seems
like
a
fun
case.
Study
for
if
this
is
an
R3
Zone
and
an
apartment
is
an
allowed
use
in
an
R3
Zone.
B
These
are
important
to
go
through
and
to
look
at
of
this
is
what
the
process
would
be
under
the
new
code
and
so
I
think
it's
good
that
it's
a
relevant
one
but
I,
don't
think
I
realized
just
what
a
passionate
subject
this
parcel
is
for
people,
so
we.
K
Didn't
do
it
on
purpose,
because
it's
in
your
neighborhood,
so
okay,
so
let's
look
at
the
and
I
have
to
look
at
the
code,
so
yeah
yeah,
so
going
through
that
step
process.
Again.
K
What
is
the
zoning
it's
R3
and
you
can
find
that
on
the
zoning
map
and
in
that
first
chapter,
are
there
additional
overlays
in
this
District
in
this
area?
No
there's
no
overlay
provisions.
Is
this
an
allowed
use
again?
Yes,
it
is
with
that
asterisk,
which
means
there's
standards
related
to
multi-family
development
as
an
allowed
use
and
do
they
meet
the
density
requirements.
R3
does
not
have
a
density
limit,
so
there's
additional
standards
on
residential
districts
There's
a
summary
tables
of
the
dimensional
requirements.
K
All
of
those
would
apply
to
that
project
and
then
what
other
dimensional
standards
do
I
need
to
consider
the
building
height,
the
setback,
the
lot
area,
and
then
this
one
for
this
lot,
because
it's
so
unique
in
configuration.
K
What
are
the
design
standards
that
I
need
to
consider
and
so
really
challenging?
For
that
lot
will
be
parking
and
access
building
form
Hillside
will
not
apply
tree
mitigation.
May
I,
don't
think
so.
It
looks
like
it's
a
pit
so,
but
there's
certainly
going
to
be
some
access,
parking
and
determination
of
lot
setbacks
because
of
the
odd
configuration
of
that
lot.
So
a
lot
of
things
there
to
consider
with
that
piece
of
property.
K
Okay,
so
we
know
the
apartment
building
isn't
allowed
use,
it
meets
the
density,
height
and
requirements.
I
also
know:
there's
use
standards
that
that
I
that
we
got
need
to
go
through
what
else
is
re
relevant,
so
there's
some
transitions
standards
because
it
is
adjacent
to
or
no
no
it's
not
adjacent
to.
R2.
Okay
is.
K
So
are
there
some
transition
standards?
Well,
I.
Think
staff
probably
needs
to
answer
that
then,
because
this
is
an
R3
tool.
F
Yeah,
so
this
is
an
important
Nuance
there's
we
have
what's
set
up
as
neighborhood
transition
standards,
but
that's
when
it's
transitioning
to
what
we
call
our
R1
neighborhoods
and
that's
when
the
standards
apply.
However,
there's
some
specific
use
specific
standards
around
multi-family
that
help
it
fit
within
a
neighborhood.
So
you
have
to
look
at
both
those
things.
It's
not
just
one
or
the
other.
K
And
then
I
want
to
incorporate
affordable
housing
into
the
project.
Are
there
incentives
available.
B
B
The
answer
of
can
I
put
an
apartment
here,
yes
or
no,
is
not
answered
on
this
slide.
This
is
just
showing
okay,
if
I
know
that
I
have
to
look
at
development
and
design
standards.
Where
are
the
other
places
in
the
code
I'm
going
to
have
to
look,
and
so
you
can
see
that
these
are
all
things
that
would
have
to
be
considered
of
whether
or
not
this
could
happen
so
and
for
the
question
of
the
incentives
available
for
R3.
The
answer
would
be
no
there's
not.
K
And
then
what
kind
of
parking
standards
are
required
and
those
citations
related
to
accessible
parking
electric
vehicle
by
and
bicycle
parking
are,
would
all
apply
to
this
project?
That's
correct.
B
Yes,
that's
correct
because
it's
a
multi-family
so
obviously
you're
going
to
want
to
look
at
your
parking
table,
but
then
somebody
would
also
have
to
consider
not
just
what
your
parking
dimensional
standards
would
be
and
what
your
parking
count
would
be.
You
need
to
think
about
accessible
parking
spaces.
There
will
be
some
Provisions
for
electric
vehicle
charging
facilities
and
then,
of
course,
the
required
bicycle
parking.
That's
in
there
as
well
and.
B
B
You
could
enter
into
some
sort
of
like
Transit
demand,
Management
program
like
if
you
were
an
employer,
for
example,
so
there's
a
whole
list
of
them
there,
so
that
that's
where
somebody
would
go
to
find
out
if
they
would
be
able
to
get
a
parking
reduction,
they're
referenced
in
other
places
in
the
code
too,
but
we
highlighted
this
one
because
that's
kind
of
a
spot
in
the
code
that
summarizes
all
the
different
parking
adjustments
that
you
might
be
eligible
for.
K
So
in
terms
of
application
procedures,
there's
a
review
of
the
allowed
use,
which
would
be
that
first
line,
it's
a
type
2
decision
and
then
there's
a
it's
a
major
design
review
application.
K
So
it
would
go
it's
a
type
three
and
would
go
through
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
the
review
process
with
the
design
Commission,
so
different
steps
for
both
parts
of
that
so
and
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
your
mind
that
you
know
this
application
includes
both
a
review
of
the
use
and
as
well
as
the
design,
the
physical
parameters
of
it.
Deanna
did
you
so
bad.
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
show
like
really
walking
through
all
of
those
questions,
and
probably
Sama
of
you
know
those
who
use
the
code
understand
all
this,
but
this
is
how,
when
a
planner
is
reviewing
an
application,
they're
reviewing
to
make
sure
that
what
is
proposed
by
the
developer
meets
all
of
those
questions.
So
it
is
an
incredibly
intricate
process.
G
Good
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
pause
here.
So
if,
if
we're
looking
at
like
a
type
2
which
isn't
allowed
to
use
allowed
for
for
a
multi-family
project,
we're
effectively
adding
I
know
this
isn't
the
right
way
to
think
of
it,
but
we're
effectively
adding
two
steps
on
the
front
end
of
the
process
as
it
stands
currently
with
the
concept
review
meeting
at
25
percent
and
then
I
guess
you
kind
of
say
where,
where
the
pre-app
currently
Falls
in
there
is
debatable,
but
is
that?
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
Yes,.
B
So
the
purpose
of
these
steps
is
not
it's
not
really
when
we
sat
and
tried
to
design
this
process
in
a
way
that
would
work
both
internally
and
externally.
There's
not
really
anything
additive.
Here,
it's
more
of
a
reorganization
of
all
of
the
work
that
we're
currently
doing,
but
with
some
clarity
around
this
is
what
gets
discussed
at
this
point
and
then
at
point
B
and
then
at
Point
C.
B
So,
for
example,
when
you
have
the
concept
review
meeting
and
as
you
can
kind
of
see
the
oh,
no
sorry,
this
doesn't
show
the
old
process
on
it,
but
you
can
sort
of
see
a
nod
to
it.
When
we
have
showed
what
the
old
process
is,
which
is
you
get
a
pre-application
meeting
where
the
concept
could
be
pretty
much
zero
to
a
hundred
percent?
So,
as
we
like
to
say
anything
from
a
drawing
on
a
napkin
to
somebody
might
actually
come
in
with
a
site
plan
and
there's
no
predictability
around.
B
What
exactly
is
the
expectation
of
that
pre-application
meeting
of
what
we
know
that
we're
responding
to
as
staff?
So
the
idea
here
is
you
have
somebody
coming
in
where
they
they
have
there's
a
certain
criteria
for
like
this
is
what
meets
like
a
basic
concept.
And
then
we
can
talk
to
you
before
you
get
it
too
far
down
the
road
and
say
like
we
just
did
walking
through
these
sides
of
hate.
B
Make
sure
that
you're
looking
at
all
of
these
parts
of
the
code,
because
you're
going
to
want
to
consider
those
go
ahead
and
think
about
that.
Let
us
know
when
you're
ready
to
move
on
to
the
next
step
and
then
we'll
talk
again
make
sure
that
we're
still
in
alignment
then
we'll
talk
to
our
agency
partners,
and
then
you
can
submit
your
application
currently
right
now.
If
somebody
has
their
pre-application
meeting,
then
they
just
go
ahead
and
submit
because
that
application
isn't
really
fully
complete.
B
Then
it
wastes
a
lot
of
Staff
time
having
to
run
around
trying
to
get
things
from
the
developer
or
from
the
applicant
making
sure
that
we
have
all
of
the
information
that
we
need
to
actually
apply
the
standards
correctly,
because
if
information
is
missing,
you
can't
really
fully
apply
the
standards
in
a
way
that
makes
sure
that
we're
meeting
all
of
our
requirements
and
meeting
our
goals.
Sorry,
that's
a
very
long
answer.
G
No,
that's
that's
helpful
because
that
that's
probably
one
of
the
biggest
feedback
points
of
feedback
I've
gotten
from
people
developers
Architects
designers,
so
it's
I
think
it's
good
and
helpful
to
think
of
it
as
a
redistribution
of
steps
that
are
already
taking
place
good.
Thank
you.
A
There's
also
a
couple
of
comments
online.
Some
of
them
go
back
to
an
earlier
conversation,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
hears
them
aloud
as
well.
Roberta
said
I
view
rentals
and
airbnbs
as
two
different
entities
I
see
rentals
as
a
path
to
affordable
housing
landowners
who
rent
make
less
money
than
those
who
do
vacation
rentals.
Unfortunately,
zoning
isn't
able
to
address
vacation
rentals
and
then
Byron
said
Daniel
many
of
the
landlords
that
I
have
spoken
with.
A
That
was
the
final
straw
for
them
and
then
Sean
had
a
final
comment
saying:
affordable
incentives
should
be
allowed
anywhere
that
allows
multi-family
and
shown
how
to
sign
off
for
the
meeting.
But
those
are
the
last
comments
so
far.
K
Right
so
we
are
not
meeting
next
month
because
it'll
it'll
be
Thanksgiving
unless
we
all
want
to
come
here
have
our
dinner
together.
K
So
you
have
two
months
and
in
that
two-month
period
we
want
you
to
continue
to
look
at
the
code
and
and
review
it,
but
also
if
you
would
bring
up,
bring
up
a
case
study,
look
at
your
property
or
some
property
that
you're
familiar
with
and
think
about
a
proposal
for
it
and
then
walk
yourself
through
the
code
in
terms
of
what
what
would
be
required
to
make
that
proposal
reality
and
then
bring
those
and
share
them.
K
A
With
the
holidays,
we
kind
of
did
a
hybrid
figured
it'd
be
good
to
do
six
weeks.
We
still
have
community
outreach
going
on
over
the
next
couple
weeks.
There'll
be
Thanksgiving
in
there
and
then
we'll
see
you
before
that
holidays
and
then
I
think
again
once
more
in
January,
and
then
that
will
kind
of
we'll
go.
K
K
K
So
we
we'll
do
that
and
then
yes,
community
outreach
continues,
and
hopefully
some
of
you
will
be
able
to
attend
one
or
all
of
these
meetings
and
reminder
of
where
you
can
find
information
on
on
the
website.
A
B
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
add
to
just
to
what
Diane
had
said,
because
this
came
up
in
our
staff
review
meeting
earlier
today,
where
we
were
also
kind
of
going
through
these
case
studies.
If
it's
helpful
to
sort
of
how
we're
trying
to
approach
this
is
really
getting
back
to
the
conceptual
root
of
why?
Why
are
we
doing
this
in
the
first
place
right?
Why
are
we
rewriting
our
zoning
code
and
it's
because
we
we
want
it
to
do
the
things
that
we
want
it
to
do.
B
We
want
to
see
the
city
grow
in
a
way
that
benefits
everyone,
and
that
gets
us
to.
You
know
the
future
that
we'd
like
where
we
have
affordable
housing,
and
we
have
great
walkable,
neighborhoods
and
a
variety
of
neighborhoods,
so
when
you're
looking
through
whether
it's
your
own
property
or
somewhere
else,
if
you
want
to
kind
of
run
it
through
as
a
practice,
it's
been
really
helpful
for
us
thinking
about
okay.
Well,
what
what
would
we
like
to
see
happen
and
then
try
to
make
it
happen
with
the
code
and
then
ask
yourself?
B
Is
it?
Is
it
possible
or
not,
and
if
the
answer
is
yes,
are
there
the
right?
You
know
processes
and
requirements
in
place
to
make
that
the
best
possible
project,
and
if
the
answer
is
no,
you
might
look
at
it
and
say:
okay.
Well,
what
needs
to
change,
then.
Is
it?
Maybe
our
dimensional
standards
are
overly
restrictive,
maybe
they're,
not
restrictive
enough.
Maybe
our
table
of
allowed
uses
could
use
another
look.
B
So
these
are
all
things
that
we
can
think
about
as
we
go
through
these
scenarios,
but
always
with
that
idea
of
what
do
we
want
to
see
and
does
the
new
code
make
it
possible
for
us
to
realize
that
Vision
or
not.
A
F
A
And
as
a
reminder,
these
meetings
are
on
YouTube,
so
you
can
go
back
and
re-watch
as
well.
Those
are
on
the
city
of
Boise
Public
meetings
YouTube,
so
you
can
go
back
as
well
and
I
read
all
the
comments
other
than
just
a
few.
That
just
said:
Thank
you
so
and
there's
a
few
more
thank
yous
that
came
in.