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A
B
There's
that
site
and
just
some
background
there
was
a
public
work
session
held
on
August
10th
2022
and
the
applicant
was
asked
to
return
to
review
the
subsequent
design
changes
that
have
occurred.
B
B
B
A
C
There
we
go,
my
name
is
Jay
Gibbons
I
am
leading
a
project
through
the
process.
My
address
is
2002
South
Vista
Boise
Idaho,
so
we
had
a
workshop
of
six
weeks
ago,
something
like
that
two
months
ago,
and
we
came
back
with
you
asked
for
dark
texture
package
as
far
as
elevations
for
all
all
the
buildings,
three
buildings
involved
with
the
previously
approved
design
facades
and
what
we're
currently
proposing
and
I
brought
my
architect
with
me
this
this
week.
So
he
can,
he
can
answer
all
the
questions.
C
I
also
submitted
the
site
plan,
the
final
site
plan
that
shows
the
the
street
front,
improvements
on
Fairview
on
27th
and
on
on
Fletcher
itself
and
they're
in
compliance
with
all
the
city.
Plans
that
apply
in
that
regard
also
upgrade
are
updated.
The
landscape
plan
that
reflects
the
current
site
plans
so
with
that
I
will
stand
for
questions.
Otherwise,
I
will
turn
time
over
to
our
our
architect.
Grant
Siemens,
okay,.
A
D
Gotta
lower
this
I'm
Grant
Seaman
address
600
First
Avenue,
Suite,
102,
Seattle
Washington,
let's
see
so,
we
included
a
narrative
in
the
package,
but
the
changes
are.
Changes
are
pretty
well
detailed
out
in
the
elevations.
D
Let's
see
oh
okay,
we're
seeing
what's
down
here.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
so
essentially
on
the
on
the
elevations,
the
prior
design
used
larger
kind
of
swaths
of
the
same
material
and
then
kind
of
a
border
Square
element
around
the
edge
based
on
our
updated
unit
plans,
as
well
as
just
kind
of
the
evolution
of
design.
D
We
have
revised
that
a
bit
to
we've
got
some
Corner
balconies
on
the
let's
see
the
west
building,
so
that
gives
kind
of
a
little
more
activity
to
the
corners
of
the
building
and
the
the
residents
have
a
little
bit
more
activity
in
those
units
as
well
or
visibility.
I
should
say
to
two
direction:
views
and
then,
along
the
facade
of
both
buildings.
D
We've
got
vertical
vertical
articulation,
elements
that
provide
additional
Shadow
and
also
kind
of
break
up
the
utility
or
excuse
me
break
up
the
materials
of
the
facade
and
they're
generally
aligned
with
balconies
as
well.
D
So
they
provide
just
a
little
bit
more
privacy
from
the
resident
balconies
so
that
you
know
you
can't
really
can't
really
see
the
balcony
next
to
you
or
what's
going
on,
but
you
still
have
good
visibility
from
the
street
and
from
above
or
and
from
the
unit
I
should
say
we
also
the
prior
design
had
all
of
the
amenity
decks
on
the
south
elevation
and
we
have
down
kind
of
in
that
center
of
the
East
building.
D
D
Let's
see
over
on
the
Far
West
the
office
as
I
think
was
discussed
in
our
last
meeting.
We
needed
additional
parking,
so
we've
extended
the
the
parking
Podium
over
under
the
office
building,
but
the
office
itself.
The
square
footage
and
number
of
floors
is
still
the
same.
D
It's
still
a
four-story
office
use
and
then
the
materials
have
all
kind
of
been
tied
together
between
the
office
and
the
multi-family
buildings
to
to
help
just
bring
everything
cohesively
together,
including
the
there's
six
units
on
the
west
side
that
face
the
green
belt
and
those
are
those
are
tied
in
with
the
material
palette
as
well.
D
Let's
see
could
we
go
to
the
next
elevations
yeah,
so
on
the
south
elevation
again,
we,
let's
see
prior
it,
had
all
that
East
Building
had
all
the
amenity
deck
facing
the
South.
So
now
we've
got
a
mix
of
units
at
the
South
and
then
the
two
amenity
decks
kind
of
on
the
east
and
west
edges
of
the
South
elevation,
which
breaks
up
that
facade
a
bit
and
also
provides
some
visibility
and
activity
down
to
Fletcher
Street.
D
The
South
elevation
on
the
first
and
second
floor
was
what
we
had
gone
through
and
revised
on
the
prior
prior
work
session
to
provide
the
basically
the
articulation
with
the
pilasters
and
the
roof
extension
to
break
up
the
facade
a
little
bit
more,
and
then
we
have
the
horizontal
windows
in
there
on
the
East
building.
We've
also
got
a
second
window
up
at
second
floor
height,
which
is
the
openings
for
the
parking
garage,
let's
see,
and
then
the
next
elevation,
and
so
these
are
the
East
and
West
elevations.
D
The
the
mass
of
the
building
on
the
East
elevations
is
very
similar.
We've
got
similar
amount
of
retail
space,
so
lots
of
lots
of
glazing
and
activity
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
we've
got
those
same
kind
of
vertical
articulation
items
on
the
multi-family
floors
and
we've
added
the
the
balconies
are
a
little
bit
different
at
the
no.
D
Let's
see
the
northwest
corner,
however,
we've
added
additional
glazing
to
to
provide
more
visibility
into
the
both
the
units
and
then
circulation
spaces
that
are
in
that
corner
and
then
down
at
the
the
west
elevation.
D
That's
the
office
that
I
was
referring
to
where
the
the
overall
look
of
the
office
is
or
look
and
and
bulk
of
the
office
block
itself
is,
is
aligned
with
prior
we've,
just
basically
extended
the
the
two-story
Podium
under
that,
and
then
we've
got
the
those
six
just
six
units
that
kind
of
soften
from
the
office
down
to
the
green
belt.
D
I
think
that's
the
bulk
of
bulk
of
the
revisions
and
side-by-side
comparison
so
be
happy
to
go
through
any
questions
or
we've
got
other
perspective.
Views
if
you'd
like
to
see
any
of
those.
D
Okay,
so
let's
see
this
is
the
north
perspective
very
similar
scale.
It
just
aligns
with
the
new
building
the
the
west
building.
So
let's
see
right
hand
side
of
that
new
North
elevation,
that's
where
we've
added
some
of
those
Corner
balconies
and
then
we've
got
the
the
raised
element
of
the
parapit
that
provides
a
little
height
on
the
corner,
and
then
that
corresponds
with
the
the
raised
elements
on
the
East
Building
as
well
remind.
D
The
podium
level
that
would
be
a
stained
concrete,
that's
a
sap
patch
and
then
the
the
white
element
that
you
see
above
there
in
some
of
the
areas
that
that
kind
of
projects
out
that
would
be
a
white
stucco.
D
D
One
please:
oh
there
we
go
and
then
this
is
the
northeast
corner.
Fletcher
and
excuse
me
Fairview
on
27th.
D
So
it's
the
it's
basically
the
full
retail
and
and
storefront
around
the
corner
to
provide
good
visibility
there
and
then
we've
got
a
mix
of
large
punch
windows
and
some
kind
of
full
height
storefront,
which
is
that's
at
the
elevator
Lobby
and
and
end
of
a
circulation
space
in
the
upper
floors.
And
then
we've
got
the
balcony
and
we've
created
kind
of
that
similar
articulation
with
both
the
vertical
and
horizontal
elements
top
and
bottom
to
to
kind
of
Define.
The
corner.
F
Mr
chairman,
yes,
is
it
all
right
if
I
ask
a.
D
And
do
you
have
the
back
view
also
I
think
yeah.
So
this
is
this.
Is
the
area
I
was
referring
to
earlier
that
we
we
reviewed.
This
is
actually
the
the
East
Building.
We
reviewed
the
west
building
in
the
last
presentation,
but
it's
a
very
similar,
very
similar
design,
where
we've
got
the
the
stack
Bond,
brick
we've
got
vertical,
stucco
pilasters
and
then
a
projecting
roof
element
across
the
top.
D
H
Mr
chair,
yes,
I'll
I'll,
just
I,
guess
ask
the
same
question
as
was
asked
before
and
I
think
I
saw
it
in
the
landscape
plan.
There
are
trees
still
along
that
wall
right
there,
yeah
just
and
I
think
a
lot
of
our
questions
had
to
do
with
the
architecture.
So
I
appreciate
being
able
to
see
the
changes
in
that
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
yeah.
D
Yeah
I
know
I'll
blankets
say
that
the
the
landscape
will
stay
the
same
and
yeah.
We
we're
just
trying
to
show
off
kind
of
the
buildings.
I
Mr
chair,
yes,
point
of
clarification
on
this.
This
elevation
above
the
parking
area
where
the
it
looks
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
the
same
stack,
Bond
brick
on
some
of
the
upper
spots
and
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
intentional,
or
if
that
was
just
like
a
a
Revit
issue.
D
Can
I
answer
that?
Okay.
I
D
That
that
was
a
Revit
issue.
It
looks
like
that
would
be
the
same.
Stucco
Material
as
the
multi-family
above.
I
Are
there
any
slightly
closer
images
of
the
the
facade
along
Fairview.
E
D
D
So
you've
got
the
concrete
Podium
you've
got
the
the
projected
stucco
element,
both
horizontal
and
vertical.
D
We've
got
corrugated
metal
running
horizontally
around
the
corner
there
and
then
the
let's
see
yeah
and
then
the
the
kind
of
c-shape
element.
The
the
white
is
a
white
stucco.
I
D
Yeah
I
think
we
were,
we
were
just
going
for
defining
it
along
along
Fairview,
but
I
don't
see
any
reason
why
it
couldn't
wrap
the
corner.
J
K
D
L
A
F
I'm
gonna
disagree
with
with
Committee
Member
or
Stat
I
I,
like
that
it
doesn't
wrap
around
on
top
and
bottom
it.
It
somehow
defines
that
side
like
you
read
it
differently
than
you
read
the
north
facade,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
I,
don't
know.
I
I
feel
like
like
the
Hampton
Inn
kind
of
buildings
do
the
double
wrap
and
this
looks
sleeker
without
the
double
wrap.
M
D
And
we've
got
a
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
with
the
shadow,
but
we
do
have
a
canopy
running
horizontal
and
then
signs
would
be
above
the
canopy
likely.
D
At
a
minimum,
it'll,
be,
you
know,
aligned
with
all
the
vertical
openings,
because
that's
where
it'll
crack
and
then
yeah
we'd
have
them
running
horizontally
as
well.
O
You
know
I'm
not
super
excited
about
the
podium
level
in
general,
there's
components
of
the
original
design
that
I
like
and
there's
some
components
of
this
new
design.
That
I
like
also
I'm
a
little
I,
don't
know!
If
concerns
the
right
word.
You
you
tacked
on
the
housing
component
on
the
end
on
the
Riverside
and
to
me
it
takes
away
from
the
building.
It's
just
like.
Oh,
let's
just
pop
some
units
here
and
call
it
good
and
it
I
think
it
needs
to
tie
in
more
or
it
doesn't
feel
right
to
me.
O
I,
like
the
fact
in
the
original
design,
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
little
more
glazing
storefront
than
what's
in
this
new
design
that
South
treatment's,
fine
but
yeah.
It's
just
I
see
another
blank
wall
on
this
North
elevation
that
bugs
me
a
little
bit
but
yeah
I'm.
Just
not
super
excited
about
this
new
Podium
level,
design.
A
A
D
You
know
I
think
it
was
pretty
similar
in
the
original.
You
know
with
the
concrete
they're
I
do
see
the
area
you're
talking
about
on
the
north,
where
there
were
some
other
openings
for
the
loading
and
parking
use,
that's
in
there
and
we
can
look
at
the
plan
but
I
believe
there's
some
some
rooms
in
that
area.
D
That
is
the
reason
for
the
for
the
blank
area
there,
but
we
could
also
put
you
know
we
could
put
some
metal,
metal,
Grille
work
or
something
on
there
as
well
to
help
kind
of
break
that
up.
A
And
that's
you
said
that
stained
concrete
yeah,
yeah
you've
been
breaking
up
some
stained
and
some
not
stained
with
some
of
the
building
masking
above,
might
help
break
up
the
podium
from
being
such
a
long
linear
element
on
it.
But
is
it
basically
unchanged
from
the
previous
elevation
material.
D
The
materials
are
all
very
similar.
The
let's
see,
I'm
trying
to
remember
yeah
I,
think
all
the
materials
are
the
same,
the
the
podium,
the
podium
got
a
little
bit
darker
gray,
but
other
than
that.
The
the
palette
is
pretty
much
the
same,
similar
tan
and
white,
the
brick
colors,
the
two
brick
colors
are
the
same.
N
O
Chair,
yes
on
that
Podium
level,
you
said
it
was
concrete,
so
is
it
going
to
be
like
a
form
finish
or
is
it
textured
or
is
it
just
what's
that?
What's
that
surface
all
about.
D
We're
gonna
do
a
sack
patch,
so
it's
a
nice
smooth
finish
but
I
think
to
the
discussion
we've
been
having.
We
could
do
some
areas
likely
of
texture
and
and
then
some
areas
of
of
more
the
sac
patch
smooth
finish.
P
P
Marry
up,
it
seems
like
there's
an
office
building
there
that
wants
to
be
an
office
building
and
there's
a
residential
building
once
we're
residential
building,
and
then
there's
that
thing
and
just
whatever
reason.
It
sticks
to
my
mind
that
it
doesn't
belong
there.
So,
but
all
of
the
you
know
the
massing
of
this
thing
is
so
large.
It's
hard
to
get.
D
Gotcha,
yeah
and
I
think
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
was
bring
the
scale
back
down
there
and
have
it
be
more
of
a
you
know,
just
kind
of
a
smaller,
smaller
area
that
the
ground
floor
would
have
patios
that
go
out
kind
of
into
the
Greenbelt
area.
The
upstairs
it's
a
walk.
Well,
I
guess
it
connects
to
the
elevator
of
the
office
building,
but
it's
also
there's
stairs
in
there.
D
So
it
could
be
kind
of
a
walk
up
where
residents
in
those
units
could
easily
access
the
the
green
belt,
but
potentially
looking
at
some
of
the
materiality
at
least
along
Fairview
side.
Maybe
that
would
help
kind
of
tie
it
together
and
then
it's
just
a
little
more.
A
M
I
D
D
We
were
considering
maybe
a
a
deck
up
there,
but
not
quite
sure
it
would
work.
H
Even
the
users
of
the
office
that
that's
a
Ingress
egress
from
Greenbelt
in
and
out
of
this,
the
overall
project
I
think
would
be
a
little
bit
I
guess
more
appropriate
in
this
location.
It
just
feels
kind
of
to
Committee
Member
rudeen's,
like
it
just
kind
of
added
on
their
again
I,
do
understand,
trying
to
step
that
down
so
you're
not
looming
over
the
green
belt
like
that.
H
But
if
that's
I
mean
if
the
residential
component
is
necessary
for
from
a
unit
count
standpoint
I
understand
why
you're
putting
something
here
like
that,
but
I
feel
like
if
it
was
more
of
a
public,
even
another
amenity
space.
You
know,
maybe
it's
shared
between
the
offices
and
the
residential
that
I
feel
like
that's
a
little
bit
more
inviting
along
that.
We
have
a
lot
of
buildings
along
the
Greenbelt
that
I
feel
like
sometimes
don't
really
take
the
opportunity
to
engage
the
public
with
the
green
belt.
D
Yeah
I
I
know
the
units
are
definitely
necessary
for
the
unit
count,
but
would
you
know
if
we
were
able
to
kind
of
work
in
a
a
bit
of
an
amenity
and
an
entry
while
still
retaining
the
units?
Would
that
be
amenable
to
folks
Mr.
H
Chair,
yes,
yeah
I,
think
for
for
me,
if
it
materially
tied
with
the
office
a
little
bit
also
like
it
looks
like
it
steps
from
that
glazing.
Really.
You
know
commercial
office
type
of
look
back
to
a
very
residential
scale
that
just
feels
a
little
bit
disjointed
Mr.
F
H
F
I
think
that,
next
to
this
very,
very
large
building,
I
I
know
that
no
human
would
ever
well
I,
don't
know
what's
across
the
street
if
anyone
would
ever
see
this
perspective.
But
from
this
perspective
it
almost
looks
like
those
are
playhouses
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
building
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
be
better.
If
you
went
up
an
extra
story,
it
they
they
just
look
mini
and
I
I
agree.
Any
engagement
with
the
passers-by
on
the
green
belt
would
be
great
and
I.
F
H
D
L
O
O
This
is
Fairview,
it's
one-way
Direction.
When
you
cross
the
bridge
onto
the
street,
it's
like
a
Gateway
into
our
West
downtown,
and
so
to
me
you
know
this
is
a
first
thing.
One
of
the
first
things
folks
are
going
to
see
and
it
just
to
me
it's.
It
needs
to
be
really
important
and
well
done,
and
I'm
I
just
have
a
lot
of
concerns
and
don't
feel
really
comfortable
about
its
current
state.
I
Would
second
Committee
Member
Aguilar's
concerns,
I
I,
think
that
there's
just
a
ton
going
on
here
without
much
cohesion
and
it's
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
hard
to
understand
what
this
building
is
trying
to
be.
What
all
of
these
buildings
are
trying
to
be
I
I'm
very
concerned
with
the
500
linear
feet
of
unbroken
concrete
along
the
ground
level
in
the
second
floor,
all
along
Fairview,
I,
I,
just
I.
Don't
think
that
you
know
the
the
detailing
on
this
building
is
here
and
it
it
conceptually.
I
It
just
seems
to
be
sort
of
lacking-
and
maybe
that's
my
code
brain
talking
right
now,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
at
foreign.
P
P
It
still
looks
to
me
like
that's
an
existing
building
that
had
to
be
left
in
place
and
then
the
rest
of
the
development
got
put
up
behind
it
and
it's
it
diminishes
the
office
building
when
it
could
be
something
else
that
other
people
have
sort
of
articulated
better
than
I
I,
probably
would
and
and
I'll
go
back
to
that
general
statement
that
I
made
there's
and
it
probably
speaks
to
what
some
people
are
trying
to
say.
There's
so
much
going
on
here
and
we're
looking
at
an
elevation.
P
That's
hundreds
of
feet,
long
and
trying
to
decipher
what
the
shadow
lines
are.
Material
changes
are
and
it
it
feels
to
me
if,
if
it
were
me,
I
want
to
break
this
thing
down
into
sections
and
go
through
each
one
of
them
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
be
able
to
see
where
those
outdoor
Courtyards
are
and
how
they
relate
to
the
street
and
where
the
entries
are
and
how
they
feel
and
it's
they.
P
It
all
might
be
there
and
you
might
have
it,
but
for
whatever
reason,
I'm
in
these
drawings
I'm
not
able
to
depict
all
that,
and
so
my
discomfort
may
not
be
that
the
design
is
terrible
or
unsatisfactory,
but
I'm
not
able
to
understand
it
based
on
the
amount
of
stuff.
That's
here,
because
it's
such
a
big
building.
A
Yeah,
maybe
I
don't
know
if
it
helps
the
applicant
here
if
we
just
kind
of
break
down
some
additional
comments
here.
So
if
we
were
maybe
to
go
to
kind
of
the
north
elevations,
the
the
comparison
ones,
I
guess
of
their
thoughts
or
concerns
on
the
current
North
elevation
above
the
podium,
so
I
mean
there
hasn't
been
a
whole
lot
of
thought
other
than
maybe
some.
It
is
maybe
a
little
bit
hard
to
figure
out
some
of
the
scale
of
it.
A
But
given
the
applicant,
maybe
some
direction
on
things
that
need
to
be
worked
on.
What
I'm
hearing
is
the
podium
deck
level
with
the
solid
gray
color?
That's
so
long
without
a
lot
of
break.
You
know
that
canopy
even
is
so
long
and
and
so
similar
having
either
some
breaks
of
material
or
height.
There's
some
additional
visual
interest
along
that
whole
North,
elevation,
I,
think,
would
be
advantageous,
I.
A
Think
taking
the
comments,
you've
kind
of
heard,
the
residential
I
could
see
that
residential,
maybe
working
along
the
the
green
belt
I
just
think
it
needs
to
be
look
like
it
like
I,
say
it
was
built
at
the
same
time.
Kind
of
a
thing
it
wasn't
necessarily
an
afterthought
if
there's
a
way
to
integrate
it
into
the
overall
design,
a
little
better.
A
H
Mr,
chair,
yeah,
Mr,
Simple,
yeah,
I,
think
in
terms
of
you
know
my
review
of
the
site
plan
and
the
landscape
plan
and
all
that
stuff
I
think
it
hits
the
mark
of
what
we
are
looking
for.
I
know
that
some
of
the
landscape
treatment
was
left
off
of
the
renderings.
Just
for
clarity
of
you
know
viewing
what
the
changes
were
on
the
architecture,
so
I
think
you've
hit
the
mark
on
that
stuff.
H
H
You
know
just
the
change
from
the
amount
of
glazing
and
opening
from
the
original
design
on
those
first
two
levels,
there's
obviously
still
some
openings
and
some
glazing
along
there
and
it
could
just
be
the
type
of
rendering
that's
presented.
That
is,
is
creating
that
confusion,
and
then
you
have
the
the
housing
I
think.
If
it
was
more
stylistically
like
that
office,
it
would
look
more
cohesive.
There
I,
don't
know
if
extending
it.
H
You
know
along
the
entire
facade
there
so
that
it
creates
a
break
in
the
middle,
for
you
know
that
type
of
Entry
or
you
know
more
interaction
between
the
office.
You
know
users
as
well
as
residential,
not
just
from
those
units,
because
it
does.
It
does
feel
a
little
closed
off.
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
what
my
comments
would
be.
Would
you
know
in
terms
to
address.
H
F
F
It's
the
first
two
stories,
including
the
housing,
that's
tacked
on
and
just
everything
else,
we've
seen
and
I
and
I'm
trying
to
see
it
from
you
know
both
a
car
and
a
pedestrian
perspective,
because
I
really
think
this
area
is
going
to
become
pedestrian
pedestrian
friendly
in
part
thanks
to
this
project,
and
even
then,
because,
again
sorry,
we're
never
going
to
see
this
all.
F
At
the
same
time,
it
needs
to
be
broken
up
a
little
bit,
I
think
I,
like
repetition,
a
lot
but
I
I
think
that
it's
too
much
of
the
same
thing
for
too
long,
especially
that
middle
left
swath
of
just
concrete,
even
with
the
trees
in
front
of
it.
L
O
And
I
think
a
possible
solution
is
maybe
just
some
public
art
on
that
wall.
If
you
go
downtown
you'll
see
a
couple
of
the
newer
projects.
I
don't
think
it's
been
constructed
yet
the
what
is
it
the
Homestay
Hotel
or
whichever
that
one
is
yeah
home
to
Suites,
where
the
parking
deck
is
they
have
like
this
little
Plaza
corner
and
there's
some
art
public
art.
O
That's
going
to
go
along
that
whole
stair
tower
that
breaks
that
up
there's
other
projects
in
town
that
have
stuff
along
those
walls,
and
it
could
be
as
simple
as
doing
some
art
treatment
on
like
those
long
swaths
on
on
both
ends
of
the
project,
and
maybe
that
big
gray
piece
is
like
that's
the
the
big
piece
there
it
where
it
all
ties
in
there.
Yeah.
D
Yeah
that
could
that
could
be.
O
L
M
I
I
concur
with
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
here
and
I
think.
Another
thing
we
want
to
look
at
is
the
context
of
this
project
is
with
other
projects
we've
approved
in
the
area
and
there's
going
to
be
a
tremendous
amount.
If
these
all
come
to
fruition,
there's
going
to
be
a
tremendous
amount
of
pedestrian
traffic
along
the
street.
M
Now
that
doesn't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic
going
back
and
forth
within
the
projects
to
St
Luke's
there
and
to
the
green
belt
and
then
possibly
Beyond,
so
that
wall
and
some
of
the
suggestions
that
have
been
made
here
for
artwork
or
something
breaking
it
up.
That
monotony
I
think
make
a
lot
of
sense.
P
So
Mr
chairman
I'll,
try
to
put
a
bow
on
it.
It
feels
to
me,
and
some
people
can
disagree
with
it.
It
feels
to
me,
like
we
want
to
visit
again
about
this.
We
hate
to
delay
anything,
but
it's
a
big
enough
thing
that
it
it
it's
probably
Duty
bound
on
our
part
to
make
sure
we
help
get
this
in
the
right
spot.
P
H
H
K
Yeah
Josh
Mr,
chairman
I,
think
it's
worth
asking
them
how
quickly
they
can
prepare
these
revisions
and
also,
obviously,
this
format
in
the
work
session
is
fairly
limited
on
time.
I
think
we're
bumping
up
against
that
time
and
time
again
so
I
think
we'll
stick
this
on
the
regular
evening
meeting
next
month,
if
they're
available
to
get
it
turned
around
in
that
time,
but
we'll
just
place
it
on
the
regular
hearing
instead
of
a
work
session,
I
think
makes
some
sense.
K
D
Was
does
that
timeline
work?
What
what
would
be
the
deadline
or
cut
off
for
getting
it
updated
so.
K
That
hearing
is
November
9th,
so
be
looking
15
days
ahead
of
that
we
would
really
need
some
solidified
revisions
15
days
ahead
of
them.
Pretty
quick,
that's
pretty
tight,
I!
Think
for
you,
but.
A
R
D
L
M
D
Ask
one
yeah:
absolutely
so
is
it
basically
is
a
general
consensus,
then
that
third
floor
up
were
were
good
and
then
just
really
focus
on
that
second,
first
and
second
floor
in
the
housing
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
what
I
heard,
but
just
yeah.
A
Have
a
motion:
do
you
want
to
amend
your
motion
to
be
date
specific
to
what
November,
9th
November,
9th
regularly
scheduled
hearing.
A
Moved
and
seconded
another
discussion
is
there
any
public
comments,
see
none
Queenie,
please
call
the
roll.
S
K
A
Good
thank
you
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
October
12th
design
review
committee
meeting.
We
have
the
citizen
volunteers
pointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
design
review
permits.
Any
decision
made
tonight
will
be
maybe
appealed
to
the
Boise
planning
and
Zoning
commission,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
That's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
A
We
utilize
the
consent
agenda.
This
means
the
applicant
agrees
with
staff
report
and
there
is
no
public
opposition.
The
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
and
all
items
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
in
one
motion
without
further
public
comments
for
Adam's,
not
on
the
consent
of
agenda,
we'll
hold
the
public
hearing
in
order
on
the
agenda
with
the
staff,
applicant
and
neighborhood
association
and
then
public
testimony
for
public
testimony.
Tonight,
the
applicants
and
the
neighborhood
association
get
20
minutes
and
the
public
gets
three
minutes.
A
L
L
A
Next
item
is
to
take
a
motion
on
the
September
14th
2022
minutes.
M
L
S
A
S
A
A
A
Is
the
applicant?
Are
you
in
agreement
with
recommended
conditions
of
approval?
A
A
Second
item:
to
be
considered
for
tonight's
consent.
Agenda
is
item
number
three.
It's
drh22-00332
location
is
8,
000,
South,
Federal
Way,
it's
for
the
construction
of
a
new
seven
story.
Approximately
522,
000
square
foot
office,
building
on
a
property
located
in
a
t2d
zone
is
the
applicant
present.
A
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
with
the
record,
show
that
the
applicant
is
in
Agreements?
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this
matter
tonight,
either
in
person
or
virtually.
A
Location
is
2700
South,
Beverly
Street
to
construct
a
new
single
story.
Approximately
84,
000
square
foot,
industrial
building
on
a
property
in
an
m1d
zone
is
the
applicant
president.
Tonight.
A
Just
you
know
if
the
applicant
is
on
virtually.
K
A
N
Yeah
Mr
chairman
I
emailed
them
this
morning.
They
said
they
are
in
agreement
with
the
conditions
it
was
under.
My
I
thought
they
were
going
to
be
coming
tonight,
but
I
guess
they
are
not,
but
they
did
send
me
an
email
this
morning
that
they
were
in
agreement.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
record
show
that
the
applicant
was
in
agreement.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
wishing
to
testify
an
opposition
to
this
item
either
in
person
or
online,
seeing
that
in
person
any
online,
and
we
will
then
move
this
to
the
consent
agenda,
and
that
concludes
our
items
for
tonight's
consent
agenda
and
at
that
time,
I'd.
Take
a
motion.
Mr.
A
Excellence,
just
one
one
item
to
note
on
the
agenda
tonight
we
are
going
to
move
item
number
six
up
to
just
before
item
number.
Four.
A
Consent
agenda.
Thank
you
any
other
discussion
on
the
consent
agenda.
A
S
M
T
A
Okay,
so
per
previous
conversation,
we're
looking
to
move
item
number
six
prior
to
item
number
four
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
for
a
motion
from
the
committee.
P
So
we
need
a
motion
to
change
the
agenda.
Yes,
that's
what
you're
saying
Mr
chairman
I
move
that
we
move
item
number
six
to
the
front
of
our
hearing
order
for
this
evening.
A
A
Great,
so
the
first
item
we're
gonna
hear
tonight
is
item
number
two.
It's
the
rh22-00307
location
is
1005
West
Grove
streets
for
the
construction
of
the
new
15-story
hotel,
with
structured
parking
and
related
site
improvements
in
a
c5dd
Zone,
and
with
that
I
would
turn
it
over
to
Caitlin
staff
for
their
presentation.
Thank.
B
B
We
do
have
the
north
elevation
facing
Grove
Street,
the
South
elevation,
and
here
the
East
and
West
elevations,
and
this
is
the
northeast
corner
and
the
northwest
the
applicant
team
is
available
to
walk
through
the
design.
They
would
like
to
discuss
a
number
of
the
conditions
of
approval,
so
condition
one
bi.
They
would
like
to
change
the
language
to
allow
a
loading
space
south
of
a
planned
Ada
space
on
10th
Street
staff's
fine,
with
that
condition,
condition
1b2
to
change
the
term
loading
zone
to
passenger
drop-off
area.
B
Just
for
clarification,
stuff
has
no
problems
with
that
change.
That's
fine
and
then
the
last
is
to
look
at
the
structured
parking
condition
they
would
like
it
to
read.
Structured
parking
must
be
screened
with
minimum
50,
opaque,
screening,
okay
and
then
this
is
that
proposed
loading
area,
and
this
is
a
designated
Ada
space.
B
U
Chad
Wilson
ersted
Architects,
310,
North,
5th,
Street
Boise.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chairman
committee
members
for
hearing
us
tonight.
We
have
an
attendance
tonight,
Chad
Wilson
and
Andy
urstead
from
ersted
Architects.
We
also
have
Jeff
Roberts
and
Gary
Gola
from
Sarah
Architects,
and
we
also
have
Jared
Smith
with
pin
Bridge
lodging
I'd
like
to
thank
Angie,
Brosius
and
Caitlin
and
Josh,
and
countless
others
who
have
helped
get
us
to
where
we
are
tonight.
U
We
are
grateful
that
the
staff
report
is
generally
in
in
support
of
the
project
and,
as
Caitlyn
mentioned,
we
do
have
a
few
conditions
we'd
like
to
discuss
in
a
little
more
detail
with
you
Caitlin.
Would
you
mind
pulling
up
the
graphic
of
the
site
plan
that
I
sent
you
today
thanks.
U
So,
as
Caitlyn
mentioned,
the
the
current
language
under
site-specific
condition,
1b1
simply
says:
the
proposed
loading
zone
cannot
be
placed
along
10th
Street
due
to
an
ADA
parking
space
approved
for
that
location.
Over
the
past
week,
we've
worked
with
CCDC
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
involves
putting
our
required
loading
space
just
to
the
south
of
their
already
planned
and,
as
we
understand
it,
approved
van
accessible
parking
space
that
is
on
10th
Street.
U
So
we
would
like
the
language
to
be
changed
to
allow
that
flexibility
for
us
to
still
incorporate
our
loading
zone
on
that
on
that
street.
Without
such
absolute
language
saying
it
cannot
be
placed
on
10th
Street,
the
second
item,
one
B2,
the
proposed
loading
zone
on
Grove
Street
will
need
to
be
approved
by
Boise
parking
services
and
no
signage
or
actions
limiting
use
by
the
general
public
shall
be
permitted.
U
We
understand
this
does
give
us
the
flexibility
to
discuss
this
further
and
get
approval
by
Boysen,
Park,
Boise,
Parking,
Services
and
achd.
We
simply
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
is
not
a
loading
zone
in
the
sense
of
of
delivery
receiving.
U
U
V
My
name
is
Jeff
Roberts
I'm,
the
senior
designer
with
Sarah
architects.
So,
as
Chad
mentioned,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today
and
and
review
this
and
staff
has
been
great
to
work
with
today.
V
We've
studied
this
parking
garage
at
length
in
the
screening
and
we
agree
with
the
the
urban
context
of
what
the
intent
of
that
is.
Screening,
headlights
and
lights
from
parking
garages
and
I
spent
some
time
walking
around
last
night
downtown.
There's
a
lot
of
garages
that
Dove
had
does
have
light
over
spill.
What
we're
asking
for
and
what
we're
trying
to
explore
here
is
we're
creating
a
screen
that
covers
all
three
levels
of
the
parking
garage,
and
this
is
actually
a
product
called
Flex
facade.
V
It's
a
fiberglass,
woven
resin
that
covers
the
entire
Bay
of
the
parking
garage.
We
think
this
is
a
higher
quality
resolution
to
solving
the
problem,
because
what
this
does
it
blocks
screening
and
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
slides,
the
new
one
that
we
revised
in
just
so
you
know
in
renderings,
it
was
in
your
slide
package
I
believe
slide.
39
we've
revised
that
slide
to
show
the
lighting
more
accurately,
not
sure
if
you
can
pull
that
up.
V
The
screen
is
designed
to
flex
from
the
top
of
the
opening
to
the
edges
of
the
opening,
and
you
can
see
the
the
garage
screening
is
what
we're
talking
about
the
levels.
Two
through
four,
you
can
see
the
subtle
lighting,
we
believe
the
light
over
spill
from
even
the
lights
on
the
ceiling
or
more
obtrusive
to
pedestrians
walking
by
than
the
headlights.
The
headlight
is
a
a
short
term
issue,
one
to
two
minutes
somebody
pulling
in.
V
We
also
respect
that
you're
trying
to
protect
the
neighbors,
the
context
of
the
residential
sightings,
but
we
think
this
is
still
a
better
solution
for
the
overall
pedestrian
movement
walkability
of
the
streets
and
still
address
the
neighborhood
residential
contacts.
With
this
light
over
spill,
we
think
the
the
screens
work
to
solve
that
in
a
much
more
appropriate
way
for
that,
so
the
the
product
is
got
a
20-year
lifespan.
It's
resilient.
V
A
You
know
if
there
are
any
other
example
photos
or
other
places.
That's
been
used,
that's
it
for
on
a
parking
garage.
Did
you
say
the.
V
Their
website
has
numerous
other
ones.
I
I
brought
a
thumb
drive
with
with
them
with
other
examples.
V
V
Yeah,
it's
cable
rail,
we're
using
in
the
garage
is,
is
flat,
so
it's
not
a
sloped
parking
garage,
it's
flat,
all
the
way
across
and
the
ramp
is
buried
internally.
So
the
outside
of
the
building
looks
very
linear
and
that's
kind
of
the
nod
of
what
we
were
trying
to
do
with
some
of
these
Graphics
in
the
building
kind
of
take
on
some
nodes
from
the
linen
box.
V
But
there's
a
lot
of
different
looks
feels
in
how
this
product
could
be
used
and
we're
looking
at
a
really
simple
graphic
with
that
and
and
to
fill
that
whole
Bay.
That's
probably
a
more
representative
that
that's
probably
the
most
representative,
look
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
design.
A
V
It
generally
reads
mostly
opaque
it's
when
it
lights
up.
There
is
one
photo
in
here
now:
I'm
gonna,
apologize
before
you
see
the
photo.
It's
a
children's
hospital
with
some
giant
lips
and
some
playfulness.
This
is
it
from
the
outside.
So
there
is
a
night
photo
of
this
and
you
can
see
how
this
lights
up.
You
see
the
lights
inside
they're,
very,
very
subtle
it.
It's
still
opaque,
but
it's
very
subtle
and
it's
not
translucent
through
to
the
outside.
A
I
Think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
this
is
also
externally
lit
at
night
and
has
a
lot
of
graphics
on
it.
I
worry
that
with
only
an
internally
lit
screen
and
no
graphics
on
it
whatsoever,
it
is
still
going
to
look
a
lot
like
a
lit
up
vertical
parking
lot.
F
Chair,
yes,
I
can
see
what
what
committee
memberset
is
saying,
but
if
the
first
rendering
we
were
shown
is
it
all
accurate?
It.
L
O
Mr
chair,
yes,
I
like
the
product
and
I
like
the
idea
of
it,
but
I
am
concerned
about
the
condo
unit
across
the
street
and
did
you
do
a
study
to
show
us
where
this
parking
Podium
is
relative,
height-wise
to
the
condo
unit
across
the
street
and
those
folks
that
live
there?
On
that
Frontage
I
mean
if
you
got
a
car
parked
with
their
headlights
on
at
10
o'clock
at
night
facing
north?
Is
it
going
to
shine
into
a
neighbor's
window
across.
V
The
street
I
have
not
analyzed
the
height
to
height
comparisons
of
the
condo
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
we
could
do
pretty
reasonable
if
we
could
work
with
staff
to
solve
it
in
that
way
to
measure
our
floor,
Heights
and
then
measure
up,
18,
inches,
20
inches
and
see
where
headlights
typically
would
be.
We
could
compare
that
with
the
floor.
Heights
of
the
Condor
across
the.
A
Yeah
I
think
the
same
same
goes
for
the
ceiling
mounted
lightings,
because
they'll
be
surface
mounted,
I,
take
it
so
the
actual
Luminaire
itself,
even
at
a
horizontal
Point
you'll,
be
able
to
see
the
glow
of
the
LED
itself,
not
as
like
I
think
as
Community
member
I
already
indicated
I'm,
not
as
worried
as
that
from
the
street
level.
A
As
as
you
see
the
Grid
at
an
angle,
but
as
you
see,
the
grid
from
a
direct
straight
on
with
the
adjacent
uses,
you'll
be
able
to
see
those
lights
where
you
know.
In
previously
on
our
parking
garages,
we've
had
the
extension
from
off
the
garage
floor
and
it
usually
projects
down
from
the
garage
floor.
So
you
don't
get
it
direct.
You
get
a
screen
from
the
light
horizontally.
A
I'm
not
I,
do
like
the
product
I
think
it
makes
for
a
pretty
clean
look
from
what
we
can
see.
It
would
be
nice
to
see
the
product
itself
I'm
wondering,
though,
if
this
North
West
facade,
if
it
wouldn't
warrant
some
kind
of
screening,
wouldn't
necessarily
need
to
be
concrete
or
something,
but
to
screen
some
of
that
lighting.
V
Our
one
concern
was
when
we,
because
we
have
to
have
a
50
ventilation
requirement
without
introducing
mechanical.
We
studied
some
banding
to
look
at
some
more
density,
but
in
our
opinion
we
felt
that
really
caused
some
strong
horizontal
movement
in
the
building.
That's
a
full
City
Block
long.
So
that
was
one
of
our
concerns
and
why
we
didn't
go
to
the
100
screening
at
at
headlight
level
and
I
think
we
felt
it
was
more
obtrusive
from
those
lights
mounted
to
the
underneath
the
deck
seeing
that
for
pedestrians
walking
by
the
neighborhood.
A
Guess
into
that
regard,
you
could
have
a
drop
soffit
set
back
several
feet
from
the
actual
facade
so
that
the
grid
itself
could
continue
at
a
50,
but
you
could
have
basically
a
screen
behind
this
this
actual
screen,
so
it
has
very
little
impact
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
base
screen
but
still
provides
the
light
screening
that
we
may
need
for
adjacent
residential
and
Hospitality
uses.
A
I
think
I.
Think
cabin.
As
you
had
stated,
a
consistency
on
the
scale
of
the
actual
Flex
facade
is
is
more
desirable.
V
The
product
right
now,
the
way
it's
designed,
speaks
to
ventilation
some
screening
and
they
speak
generally
from
20
to
60.
That's
again,
a
product
manufacturer
implying
that
I
have
not
been
able
to
test
that
this
is
a
fairly
new
product.
The
last
few
years
on
the
market,
so
I've
not
been
able
to
see
metrics
or
data
on
that,
but
that's
what
they
report
and
right
now
we're
we're
trying
to
be
at
50
percent.
O
Yes,
on
the
surface
sites,
I
mean
perhaps
a
different
light
fixture.
Something
that's
shielded
would
help
resolve
that
issue,
but
I
guess
I
was
more
concerned
with
the
headlights
shining
into
the
neighbors
across
the
street.
Thank
you.
F
One
point
on
that:
I
I
could
see
that
that
would
be
really
disruptive
to
a
neighbor,
but
it's
also
for
a
few
seconds.
Like
you,
you
know
you
drive
up
you
park,
you
turn
off
your
lights
and
it's
over
and
I
also
feel
like
people
who
live
downtown
are
used
to
such
things.
It's
not
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
neighborhood,
so
I
I
think
this
is
a
great
solution
and
I
like
it
very
much.
M
Yeah
foreign,
from
what
I
understand
the
alley
through
this
property
has
been
vacated.
That's.
V
M
J
M
And
I
would
assume
that
in
time
the
vacant
lot,
which
is
parking
to
the
south
of
this
will
either
remain
so
or
be
built
on,
and
if
it's
the
latter,
they
would
be
building
up
two
and
adjacent
to
this
wall
at
some
scale,
whether
it
matches
the
Grandeur
of
your
building
or
not,
is
remains
to
be
seen,
but
in
the
interim
period
that
wall
it's
hard
to
tell
from
the
screen
here.
Just
what
other
is
it
just
going
to
be
a
blank
dark
wall?
Three
stories
high,
that's.
V
What
we
were
that's
what
we
were
intending
the
the
blend,
the
the
dark
color
was
to
kind
of
stay
with
the
dark
black
brick
that
we're
using
as
the
base
on
the
other
elevations,
and
we
had
heard
or
expected
that
the
building
adjacent
us
may
come
in
quicker
than
we
expected.
That
may
not
be
true
now,
but
that
is
a
pretty
daunting
dark
shaded
wall
on
the
south
face
for
right
now,
but
we
could
look
at
Alternatives
with
a
graphic
I
think
the
materials
are
still
correct.
V
Cmu,
it's
it's
going
to
be
buried
at
at
some
point,
but
in
some
development,
but
you
know
we
could
look
at
alternatives
on
the
paint
color
or
the
look,
but
I
think
the
material
is
right.
Thank
you.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
well
with
that.
We'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
for
discussion
and
emotion.
A
I
think
it's
a
pretty
attractive
building
I
think
it'll
be
a
great
addition
to
this
area.
So
you
know,
applaud
you,
guys,
application
and
your
attention
to
detail
to
it
so
kind
of
getting
down
into
the
Weeds
on
some
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
here
tonight.
So
thoughts
or
comments.
M
Just
for
discussion
purposes
with
regard
to
the
The
Proposal
changes
to
the
items,
one
B1
1B,
2
and
f-
that
this
that
the
applicant
has
requested
I
have
no
issues
with
those
I
would
like
to
get
a
feeling
from
the
committee.
M
If,
as
we
see
in
these
large
buildings,
we
know
that
what
we
see
now
and
as
time
goes
on
in
this
world
of
changing
market
for
prices
and
things
like
that,
the
things
do
change
over
time
and
whether
or
not
we
would
want
to
have
a
future
work
session
to
look
at
any
design
changes
that
occurred
over
some
of
these
details
that
we've
talked
about
tonight
that
we
may
need
a
little
bit
more
deeper
look
at
them
if
we
want
to
add
a
condition
for
a
future
worst
question.
P
Mr
chairman
I,
would
agree
with
those
comments
and
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
the
things
that
the
applicant
has
asked
for
the
screening
of
the
parking
garage,
my
only
it's
a
pretty
simple
one.
If
the
they
can
demonstrate
from
the
manufacturer
what
the
filtration
rate
is
and
on
that
material
we
can
see
some
sort
of
sample
of
that
that'd
probably
be
reassuring
to
us.
F
Yeah
I
think
this
is
a
very
handsome
building
and
it's
appropriate
for
its
location,
including
the
setbacks
and
the
height
of
it.
I
also
imagine
that
another
building
is
going
to
go
in
directly
behind
it
quite
soon,
quite
soon
in
development
terms
and
so
that
blank
brick
wall
won't
be
seen
for
very
long.
F
If,
if
that
wasn't
the
case,
then
I'd
have
an
issue
with
that
brick
wall,
but
that
won't
be
seen
and,
like
I
said,
I
I
love,
the
screening
and
I
am
not
concerned
so
much
about
the
light
that
may
or
may
not
permeate
through
the
screens.
I
think
that's
the
not
the
hazard,
but
that's
just
what
you
deal
with
living
downtown
I
mean
you
deal
with.
You
know
the
cruise
and
with
noise
from
the
neurolux
and
perhaps
with
some
light
coming
in
across
the
street
for
30
seconds.
H
Mr
chair,
yes,
yeah
I,
mean
I,
think
an
overall
an
agreement
with
pretty
much
all
the
comments.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
necessarily
a
public
work
session,
but
I
mean
this
type
of
project.
We
would
always
ask
for
you
know
these
materials,
especially
something
that's
new,
to
take
a
look
at
that
material
just
so
that
we
get
a
little
bit.
You
know
it's
nice
to
see
the
actual
material
feel
it.
You
know
really
just
get
a
better
idea.
H
I
think
if
that's
provided
to
staff
at
some
point
in
time
and
could
be
shared
with
us
in
some
way,
that
would
make
it
a
little
bit
more
comfortable.
I
do
agree.
It's
you
know
very
much
in
the
urban
context
and
you
know
is
appropriate
for
the
area
foreign.
M
Mr,
chairman
I'll,
preface
my
my
motion
with
the
fact
that
I
my
sense
is,
is
that
the
the
committee
is
the
only
issue
that
seems
to
have
any
concern
for
us.
Is
this
new
screening
and
that
a
work
session,
a
public
work
session
would
probably
be
not
appropriate
at
this
particular
time
they
could
submit
it
to
the
staff
and
the
staff
could
then
provide
it
to
us
would
be
happy
with
that.
If
I'm
looking
at
the
headed
nodding
heads
so
with
that,
I
would
move
for
approval
of
drh.
M
L
A
A
M
Oh
submitted
to
staff
right-
oh
yeah,
let's,
let's
see,
starts
around
Mr
chair.
L
H
S
M
A
lot
we
have
to
add
there
would
be
instead
of
provide
details
of
the
screening
material
to.
M
Staff
for
approval
by
the
design,
Review
Committee,
with
final
details
to
be
provided
at
the
building
permit
issuance.
H
A
A
It's
a
modificate
to
modify
the
previously
approved
mixed
use,
building,
adding
four
stories
and
49
residential
units
for
a
total
of
23
stories
and
258
residential
units
on
a
property
in
a
C5
DD
Zone
and
with
this
I
will
turn
it
over
to
staff
and
Caitlin.
For
your
presentation,
foreign.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
This
is
a
designer
view,
modification
approval
that
was
previously
approved,
mixed-use
building
and
they
are
adding
four
stories
and
49
residential
units
for
a
new
total
of
23
stories
and
258
residential
units
in
a
C5
DND
Zone.
B
B
But
the
applicant
did
make
these
design
modifications,
so
they
have
submitted
this
application
as
a
new
modification
application
and
Below
as
a
summary
chart
that
outlines
those
changes
so
they've
increased
the
stories
by
four.
The
number
of
parking
levels
increased
by
one.
The
number
of
floors
in
the
tower
increased
by
three.
The
unit
account
increased
by
49.
they've,
increased
the
parking
and
the
bike
parking
and
the
building
height
increased
by
38
feet.
B
B
W
Okay,
fantastic
I'm,
gonna,
let
Ryan
from
our
team.
This
is
Randy
genther
from
hubby
properties,
I'll.
Let
Ryan
walk
you
through
the
presentation
and
comments,
foreign.
X
Thank
you
Commissioners.
As
you
know,
last
December
we
had
had
our
our
original
building
design
approved
by.
X
My
name
is
Ryan
stouti
address
is
333
East,
Chicago,
Street,
Milwaukee
Wisconsin.
Thank.
A
X
So
as
as
stated,
we
had
the
commission's
approval
last
last
December
and,
as
Caitlyn
said,
one
of
the
conditions
was
a
was
the
working
session.
So
as
as
we
were
working
through
the
documentation
and
preparing
that
for
the
working
session,
we
found
an
opportunity
to
clear
increase.
The
density
of
the
project
which
had
Caitlyn
had
outlined
in
her
presentation
and
I
am
going
to
screen
share
here.
X
Should
be
able
to
see,
hopefully
a
lot
of
these
documents
or
a
lot
of
the
drawings
that
we're
showing
here
are
are
are
the
same
as
was
previously
shown,
and
we
really
only
wanted
to
focus
in
on
the
the
and
identify
some
of
the
things
that
change.
So
some
of
these
documents
really
haven't
changed,
so
we're
not
going
to
really
focus
on
those
too
much.
X
This
document
was
just
the
the
section
through
the
building
showing
the
additional
levels
as
as,
as
mentioned
earlier,
the
first
floor
really
hasn't
changed,
as
well
as
the
initial
the
parking
levels,
with
the
caveat
that
we
added
one
additional
level
and
when
we
captured
that
additional
level
of
parking,
that
kind
of
drove
how
many
additional
units
that
we
could
get
in
the
tower,
and
that's
where
we
came
up
with
the
three
additional
levels:
totaling,
the
23
floors,
the
the
amenity
decks,
remained
very
similar
to
the
previous
design.
X
There
has
been
a
number
of
refinements
in
the
design
to
include
any
of
the
the
MEP
systems
as
you'll
notice
on
the
elevations.
When
we
get
to
those
we
do
have
the
louvers.
We
have
a
number
of
elements
and
mechanical
screens
all
shown
and
appropriately
sized
for
the
requirements
of
the
building,
and
we
also
have
identified
some
of
the
section
cuts
that
are
associated
with
the
details
provided
illustrating
some
of
the
the
material
changes
of
the
project.
X
X
There
is
a
metal
panel,
a
core,
a
perforated
metal
panel
that
is
on
on
that
side
of
the
building,
and
it's
I
just
provided
a
couple
of
of
precedent,
images
that
show
that
type
of
panel
in
that,
obviously
it's
a
little
bit
different
application
in
terms
of
where
it's
located,
but
it
is
very
similar
to
what
you
see
on
screen
here
with
these
these
particular
panels.
X
It's
perforated
metal
panel
and
that
perforated
metal
panel
sits
behind
a
turned
up
slab,
so
there
isn't
any
any
viewing
of
any
highlights
from
the
parking
garage.
It's
all
there's
concrete
there
behind
those
and
then
just
the
panel
is
decorative
to
hide
the
turned
up
slab
as
you
look
from
the
exterior
building
the
other
wall,
and
we
did
as
as
previously
mentioned
in
our
pile
of
Prior
approval.
X
X
This
again
just
shows
you
some
of
the
the
updated
elevation
with
the
some
of
the
updated,
louvers
and
and
mechanical
requirements
that
are
in
there,
as
Caitlin
has
shown
we
did
provide.
You
know
just
the
comparisons,
a
side
by
side
and
when
we
were
looking
at
that,
you
know
our
our
our
take
is
that
the
the
additional
levels
actually
increase
and
make
the
building
even
more
attractive.
It's
a
little
more.
It
makes
the
scale
better.
So
in
actuality,
it's
it's
an
overall
aesthetic
Improvement
to
the
project.
X
As
you
can
see
here,
looking
down,
Front
Street,
there's
just
those
same
things.
We
did
change
the
color
from
that
from
the
orange
before
to
to
this
bluish
color,
and
that
was
a
derivative
of
how
we
were
implementing
our
our
combining
the
interior
design
with
the
exterior
and
we
we're
using
more
of
the
blue
color
pad
on
the
inside,
and
we
want
that
to
reflect
as
well
on
the
exterior
to
have
a
more
holistic
approach
to
the
design
just
another.
Before
and
after
picture.
X
Before
and
after
there
was
some
refinement
you
can
see
on
on
some
of
the
on
the
amenity
decks
and
that
has
to
do
with
pool
location
and
just
the
how
the
services
are
coming
through.
The
building
the
material
palette
itself
really
didn't
change
the
the
change
that
happened.
It
was
just
on
the
parking
deck
screening
we
just
had
had
put
in
the
metal
panel
versus
this.
X
We
had
shown
before
a
kind
of
like
an
ornamental
mesh,
but
that
just
wasn't
working
from
a
detailing's
perspective
and
that's
where
we're
coming
up
with
the
the
perforated
metal
panel
and
then
we
get
into
the
details.
The
details
do
show
that
the
the
facade
is
not
flat.
We
do
have
Center
Center
glaze
storefront
units
throughout
the
project,
so
we
do
get
that
relief
from
the
frame
to
the
glass.
In
addition
to
say,
this,
I'll
go
to
our
typical
edge
condition
here.
Oops
sorry.
X
There
we
go
look
down
here.
You
can
see
that
the
the
the
slab
Edge
cover
does
project
out
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
storefront
units
a
couple
of
inches
and
then
the
storefront
unit.
Then
the
glass
of
that
sets
back.
X
So
there
really
is
a
relief
of
about
four
inches
on
on
that
on
that
facade
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
side
where
we
have
some
of
the
the
metal
panel,
where
it
abuts
the
where
a
butts
kind
of
see
this
this
detail
up
here
is
this
reflection
of
here
what's
happening.
X
That
just
shows
you
that
the
metal
panel
is
flush
with
the
frame,
but
the
frame,
the
glass
and
the
frame
does
is
set
back
from
the
from
the
metal
panel
other
than
that,
you
know,
they're
just
showing
how
how
the
ethos,
the
relief
of
the
ethos
and
the
the
joints,
all
the
ethos
that
are
occurred.
X
Obviously-
and
the
ethos
does
only
occur
in
a
couple
of
spots
as
previously
approved
on
the
project
and
I-
won't
dwell
too
much
on
these
details
unless
they're
specific
questions
and
that's
pretty
much
it
as
Caitlyn
mentioned,
the
the
site
plan
itself
really
hasn't
changed.
I
Chair,
yes,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
just
a
difference
in
the
rendering
Styles
or
if
you
you've
switched
your
mullion
color
on
the
podium
from
a
darker
to
a
light
material
I
was.
X
Just
curious
the
the
podium
on
the
on
the
first
floor,
if
I
go
back
to
the
rendering,
so
there
there
is
a
difference
in
color
with
the
mullions.
Just
on
the
first
floor,
where
we
have
the
taller
curtain
wall
in
the
in
the
dark
gray,
brick
other
than
that
it
is,
it
is
white
throughout
the
project.
O
A
O
X
That,
if
I
can
answer
that
question,
that
is
where
we
had
proposed
our
mural,
so
that
that
facade
would
be
broken
down
through
through
the
number
of
of
ways
from
the
application
of
Art,
in
addition
to
some
texture,
if
that's
how
how
how
the
how
the
our
the
artwork
would
be
applied
to
the
face
of
the
building
to
break
down
that
facade.
X
Thank
you
obviously,
there's
in
the
future.
Someone
could
develop
next
right
next
to
our
building,
and
then
that
would
be
that
obviously,
then
would
be
go
would
go
away.
X
F
Foreign,
yes,
I,
agree
with
the
applicant
and
with
whoever
said
it
before
that
the
new
design
of
the
building
is
much
improved
to
the
previous
design,
in
that
it,
its
height,
lends
some
Elegance
to
it
and
I
think
it's.
F
It
fits
in
with
the
street
as
well
as
it
did
before,
and
I'm
glad
to
have
some
more
more
housing
units
in
that
area
and
I
see
no
reason
not
to
approve
this.
A
I
agree,
nice
application
and
appreciate
the
detailed
work
being
presented
tonight
without
anybody
want
to
take
a
stab
at
a
motion.
H
A
P
A
A
Seeing
none
Christina,
please
call
the
roll.
M
I
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
tonight
is
before
you
is
representing
a
site
located
at
4306
West
State
Street
in
Boise,
located
on
the
north
side
of
State
Street
west
of
Fargo
Street
in
the
area
of
Willow
Lane
Athletic
Complex.
K
The
applicant
has
proposed
to
renovate
an
existing
property
that
contains
two
buildings.
These
this
property
was
the
subject
of
a
conditional
use
permit
process
that
was
approved
on
appeal
by
city
council
with
a
number
of
conditions.
Many
of
these
conditions
are
in
relation
to
the
operation
of
the
facility
and
not
directly
related
to
design.
However,
there
are
conditions
that
did
address
site
conditions
and
site
design
requirements,
and
we
have
included
those
in
conditions
of
approval
and
evaluated
them
in
the
project
or
Pro
report,
where
appropriate.
K
So
the
existing
site
was
a
former
retail
store
for
the
Salvation
Army.
There
is
a
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
of
the
property
that
will
remain
and
be
repurposed
by
the
applicant.
So
as
part
of
this
proposal,
the
applicant
has
added
an
emergency
access
and
solid
waste
collection
access
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
Seen
here
in
yellow
which
will
access
the
new
trash
enclosure
highlighted
in
red
on
this
site
plan
conditions
of
approval
for
the
cup
certainly
addressed
areas
such
as
emergency
access
and
trash
collection.
K
Foreign
as
part
of
the
site
Redevelopment
for
the
use
as
the
shelter
home
there
have
been
amenities
for
residents
and
visitors
proposed.
This
depicts
a
path
system
that
is
used
to
circulate
on
the
property.
There
is
a
family
entrance
on
the
Eastern
property
boundary
that
is
separated,
as
required
from
other
entrances
on
the
other
side
of
the
property.
This
pathway
system
connects
back
to
that
existing
building
to
a
proposed
landscape
area
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site
and
provides
that
circulation
around
the
property.
K
Additionally,
bicycle
parking
is
a
is
a
critical
component
of
this
use.
The
conditional
use
permit
did
require
that
110
bicycle
parking
spaces
be
provided
on
site.
There's
some
question
as
to
whether
the
applicant's
proposal
provides
those
required
spaces,
so
we
have
added
a
condition
of
approval
that
they
just
verify
in
in
great
detail
exactly
where
those
110
bicycle
parking
spaces
are
proposed.
K
There
was
a
requirement
for
some
of
those
to
be
located
at
the
front
door
of
the
building,
highlighted
they're
in
blue
and
then
the
remainder
of
the
spaces
proposed
along
the
rear
of
the
property
line.
Again,
the
applicant
has
been
asked
to
provide
some
confirmation
on
the
number
of
spaces
proposed.
K
Moving
on
to
the
proposed
landscaping.
Again,
there
is
an
existing
parking
lot
and
Landscaping
in
the
front
of
the
building,
which
will
be
renovated
and
rehabbed
additional
plant
materials
added
to
come
into
compliance
with
landscape
ordinance
standards
and
guidelines.
Additionally,
along
the
front
of
the
building
are
Planters,
which
will
help
to
soften
the
appearance
of
the
front
of
that
building
and
at
the
ends
of
the
rows
of
parking
in
the
rear
of
the
property.
Again,
that
pathway
and
amenity
space
for
the
residents
has
been
proposed.
There
are
seating
areas:
the
bicycle
storage
area.
K
Okay,
as
part
of
The
Proposal,
there
are
some
additions
to
the
property.
The
first
is
in
front
of
the
building.
There
is
a
proposed
Edition
that
will
extend
to
the
landscape
planner.
It
does
meet
the
required
setbacks
of
the
c2d
zone
and
extends
again
to
close
off
that
former
access
that
was
used
to
that
portion
of
the
building
in
the
rear
of
the
building.
K
There
is
a
proposed
Edition
that
will
kind
of
square
off
the
structure
in
the
rear
and
add
some
internal
uses,
and
then
there
are
proposed
storage
lockers
at
the
rear
of
the
building
for
use
by
residents,
which
which
again
certainly
meets
setbacks,
as
required
on
the
south
side
of
that
Access
Lane.
That's
used
for
solid
waste
collection
and
fire
and
emergency
access,
so
the
applicant
has
proposed
upgrades
and
repairs
to
the
existing
building.
K
There
will
be
new
paint,
new
canopies,
new
doors
and
windows
and
some
art
boxes
installed
on
the
exterior
of
the
structure,
the
interior.
The
structure
will
be
extensively
remodeled,
the
existing
mezzanine
and
the
two-story
struct
portion
of
the
structure
will
be
extended
all
internal
to
the
building
and
the
building
will
be
reconfigured
for
use
as
the
shelter
on
all
elevations.
There
are
new
storefront
doors
and
windows
proposed.
K
In
addition
to
solid
doors
in
in
certain
locations,
there
has
been
a
substantial
canopy
for
weather
protection
added
along
the
east
and
north
sides
of
the
building
for
use
by
residents
I'm.
Also
on
this
slide,
those
exterior
materials
are
depicted.
Those
two
remain
and
be
repainted,
so
there
are
some
off-white
paint
colors,
some
great
paint
colors
and
some
blue
accent.
Colors
proposed.
K
Additionally,
structure
design
is
evaluated
on
the
building's
Mass
facades,
openings,
exterior
materials
and
impacts
on
adjacent
residential
and
finally
requirement
is
that
it
complies
with
the
existed
existing
adopted
guidelines
that
city-wide
downtown
to
design
review
standards
and
guidelines
are
specifically
used
in
evaluating
design
view
applications.
K
Foreign
team
finds
that
drh-22-00345
complies
with
the
design
review,
guidelines
and
standards.
It
complies
with
the
findings
of
the
ordinance
in
relation
to
a
design
review
application,
and
we
would
recommend
approval
tonight.
I
would
stand
for
any
questions,
and
the
applicant
is
here
with
the
presentation
as
well
good.
T
Mr,
chairman
committee
members,
my
name
is
Jeffrey
Wardle.
My
address
is
251
East,
Front,
Suite,
310,
I'm
counsel
for
the
applicant,
we're
here
tonight
with
the
design
review
application.
We're
pleased
to
present
this
to
you
as
Josh
indicated.
This
was
the
subject
of
a
rather
extensive
conditional
use
permit
process
and,
as
you
know,
I
have
raised
the
issues
previously
about
the
degree
to
which
our
conditional
use
permit
process
interferes
and
intrudes
upon
the
design
review
process.
T
But
I
think
this
is
a
prime
example
of
you've
got
to
have
a
design
that
enables
you
to
understand
how
it
operates
so
that
you
can
address
the
conditional
use,
permit,
address
the
conditions
of
approval
and
then
come
back
with
the
design
that
implements
them,
and
because
of
that,
we
are
in
complete
agreement
with
the
conditions
of
approval.
Now,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
erstad
team
here
in
just
a
moment
to
walk
you
through
some
of
the
the
elements
of
the
project.
T
We're
not
here
to
talk
tonight
about
the
use,
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
compliance
with
the
design
with
the
the
commercial
design
guidelines
that
the
city
of
Boise
implemented
in
doing
that
and
in
recognizing
the
impact
that
conditions
of
approval
relating
to
use
and
operations
have
on
satisfying
those
in
the
design.
Review
context
were
pleased
with
what
we're
presenting
to
you
tonight,
because
it
is
somewhat
different
than
what
was
shown
to
the
city
council
and
inherently
any
design
is
going
to
grow.
T
It
is
going
to
organically
change
as
you
address
those
issues
and
while
we
recognize
and
we
understand,
and
we
don't
discount,
we
don't
discount
the
public
participation-
that's
occurred
to
date,
hey.
We
really
appreciate
the
time,
effort
and
energy
that
staff
put
together
in
this
application
and
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
erstad's
team
did
as
well,
because
in
the
package
is
a
detailed,
exhibit
identifying
the
elements
that
have
been
modified
and
how
the
project
complies
with
the
specific
conditions
of
approval
that
are
relevant
to
implementing
what
the
city
council
told
us
to
go.
T
Do
it's
an
exhibit
that
I
think
encapsulates
why
changes
were
made.
It
captures
how
these
elements
comply
and
integrate
with
the
design
process
and
I
believe
that,
with
with
the
changes
that
have
been
made,
we
have
an
improved
facility,
a
larger
facility,
a
facility
that
addresses
many
of
the
concerns
that
we
heard
raised
during
the
pnz
hearing
and
what
I
think
I'm
most
proud
of
is
the
fact
that
we
have
a
design
that,
rather
than
just
adding
buildings,
adding
additional
things
to
address
those
concerns
has
fundamentally
gone
back.
T
Looked
at
the
boxes
that
we
have
and
evaluated.
How
can
we
make
better
use
of
these
structures
and
with
the
additions
that
we've
made
and
with
the
additions
that
are
proposed,
I?
Think
it's
a
much
improved
project
so,
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Andy
erstadt
and
his
team
and
I'll
be
back
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
J
Chair
and
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
Andy
ersted,
310,
North,
5th
Street,
Boise
Idaho.
It's
always
funny
to
follow,
Josh
and
and
Jeffrey
Wardle,
because
your
whole,
your
whole
speech
has
been
given
right.
I
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
and
everyone.
That's
helped
us
sort
of
navigate
this
process
and
to
get
where
we
are.
J
As
as
Jeffrey
said,
one
of
the
sheets
in
our
package
was
a
was
a
item
by
item
reference
of
the
conditions
of
approval
into
the
into
the
plan
and
I
thought.
Josh
might
pull
that
up
as
part
of
his
presentation
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think,
rather
than
sort
of
sit
here
and
and
point
out
to
each
and
every
little
item.
J
The
bottom
line
is
that
we
really
appreciate
staff's
report
at
the
end
of
the
day,
comprehensive,
complete
and
thorough,
and
we
are
in
total
agreement
with
their
findings
of
facts,
the
conclusions
of
law
and
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
and
I.
Think
at
this
point,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
testimony.
J
I
would
stand
for
stand
for
questions
that
you
might
have
the
images
that
Josh
showed
in
the
package
that
you've
all
had
an
opportunity
to
review
is
fairly
fairly
in
quite
actually,
it's
very
comprehensive
and
it
is
very
reflective
of
the
conditions
of
approval
from
the
conditional
use
application
by
the
city
council.
That
was
probably
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
in
my
career
that
we've
navigated,
as
we
try
and
and
bring
the
conditions
of
approval
into
the
design
review.
A
A
L
Q
Okay,
pull
up
my
face.
Oh
I
was
looking
about
one
I'm,
sorry,
hello.
My
name
is
Katie
Decker
I'm
speaking
here
as
the
president
of
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association
and
my
address
is
5001
West
wymosa
Street
in
Boise
Idaho
I'd,
like
to
open
by
saying
that
we're
here
tonight
commenting
on
Design
Elements,
because
fundamentally
we
believe
that
the
protection
offered
by
both
these
code
requirements
and
design
review
should
apply
to
all
people,
whether
they're,
housed
or
unhoused.
Q
So,
throughout
this
process,
we've
repeatedly
heard
that
the
applicant
refuses
to
comply
with
best
practices
or
analogous
code
protections,
because
Boise's
code
does
not
require
that
a
shelter
in
their
most
recent
correspondence.
The
October
6th
rebuttal
to
our
comments.
They
replied
multiple
times
with
that
was
not
required
in
the
cup.
Q
Oh,
this
is
difficult.
I
also
want
to
address
the
applicant's
response
that
the
design
reviews
hands
are
tied
because
city
council
has
already
approved
the
prior
iteration
of
this
project.
However,
Boise
code
does
specifically
note
that
design
review
must
take
into
account
the
larger
issues
surrounding
any
application,
despite
this
procedural
order,
which
places
it
after
council's
review.
Q
This
is
contrary
to
condition
two
of
the
applicant's
cup
approval
which
states
the
facility
shall
comply
with
plans
and
specifications
submitted
to
and
on
file.
In
the
planning.
Pds
Department
dated
received
April,
28
2021
and
the
revised
project
drawings
and
letter
dated
September
28
2021,
except
as
modified
herein.
Q
I'd,
also
like
to
briefly
remind
you
that
pnz
denied
this
project
this
year,
based
on
findings
around
Public,
Safety
and
impact
to
Commercial,
Business
viability
and
by
extension,
property
value,
which
are
all
in
design
reviews
purview
shown
here.
Some
of
the
Commissioners
closing
quotes
highlighting
impact
to
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood.
Q
In
addition,
the
new
design
raises
several
impacts,
not
specifically
reviewed
by
Council,
including
impacts
under
design
reviews
authority
to
review.
For
example,
the
design
review
code
requires
for
commercial
and
industrial
buildings
adjacent
residential.
The
design
shall
minimize
impacts
on
adjoining,
including
across
the
street
or
alley
residential
uses
and
uses,
and
districts.
Q
The
family
waiting
line
will
now
be
in
front
of
the
building
likely
expanding
into
the
parking
area,
and
the
adult
nightly
security
line
will
now
be
co-located
with
the
emergency
vehicle
Access
Road.
Do
these
areas
comply
with
design
reviews
criteria
to
ensure
that
the
traffic
impact
is
minimized?
Under,
The,
Pedestrian
and
cyclists
have
been
provided
for
throughout
the
use
of
sidewalks,
Pathways
landscaping
and
safe
parking
lot.
Q
Furthermore,
the
adult
whoops
the
applicant
has
responded
to
the
concerns
regarding
the
major
changes
by
saying
that
council's
inclusion
of
as
modified
herein
gives
them
great
latitude
to
make
all
the
changes
presented
here
and
in
the
rebuttal
letter,
they
state
that,
in
particular,
the
kitchen,
the
condition
to
separate
populations,
namely
families
from
adults,
has
required
them
to
increase
the
floor
area
of
one
building
by
greater
than
30
percent.
Two
eliminate
the
Standalone
day,
shelter
highlighted
in
their
application
and
three
change.
Q
When
asked
about
the
outdoor
separation
of
populations,
what
we
do
now,
what
we
do
know
is
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
park,
a
community
garden
and
then
there's
supposed
to
be
a
separation
with
a
children's
community
garden,
a
playground
and
a
green
area,
and
so
best
practices
for
us
is
to
separate
the
children
with
parents,
and
so
I
think
that
this
is
definitely
part
of
the
design.
It's
just
not
finalized.
Yet
I
would
like
to
pose
the
question
to
the
design
Review
Committee.
Q
If
this
separation
of
demographics
was
already
a
best
practice
and
part
of
the
plan,
simply
not
finalized
to
show
the
fencing
on
the
site
plan,
why
would
implementing
it
cause
such
major
changes
in
the
design?
Is
it
realistic
to
characterize
the
removal
of
a
building
and
other
major
changes
as
required
in
order
to
provide
families
with
children
a
separate
outdoor
space?
Q
As
you
can
see
here,
the
bike
parking
has
been
drastically
downsized,
requiring
reduction
in
the
number
of
racks
and
no
cover
from
the
elements
is
now
provided.
The
space
marked
by
the
applicant
does
not
meet
the
minimum
code
per
bicycle
space,
as
acknowledged
by
staff.
Furthermore,
there
is
no
space
provided
for
families
with
children
to
park
their
bikes.
I
ask
you:
is
this
an
equivalent
design
with
the
same
findings
of
fact
be
drawn
from
both
of
these
proposals?.
Q
In
another
example
of
the
applications,
bait
and
switch
tactics
shown
here
is
the
Second
Story
family
floor
plan.
The
plan
clearly
identifies
the
space
which
shows
41
bed
symbols
as
containing
81
beds
as
such,
although
one
bed
shown
here
are
bunk
beds
and
each
private
room
shown
with
four
bed,
symbols
is
actually
an
eight
bed,
dormitory
sharing
one
bathroom
which
is
accessed
from
the
back
of
the
room.
Interfaith's
rebuttal
states
that
there
may
be
some
configuration
of
room
dividers
installed
to
allow
separation
of
these
rooms,
but
they
haven't
been
finalized.
Q
They
don't
specify
whether
these
will
be
curtains
as
used
in
the
medically
fragile
areas
or
thin
movable
walls,
as
shown
in
the
adult
areas.
In
any
case,
even
if
room
dividers
are
in
place,
these
rooms
require,
through
Transit
of
at
least
one
other
family
unit,
to
reach
the
entrance
and
exit
or
the
single
bathroom.
Q
Q
Again,
the
plan
presented
before
us
is
not
equivalent
to
the
design
and
conditions.
Council
relied
on
to
find
impacts
would
be
mitigated.
Also
of
note.
In
this
space
there
is
a
bathroom
ratio
of
one
toilet
and
shower
per
eight
to
nine
beds.
Best
practices
from
the
shelter
design
manual
call
for
one
toilet
and
one
shower
per
four
beds.
Q
Is
there
a
reason
we
would
provide
less
play
area
to
these
children?
Is
there
a
reason
that
we
would
require
require
child
care,
school
and
playground
facilities
for
house
children
to
be
located
at
least
a
thousand
feet
from
a
bikini
bar
and
300
feet
from
an
establishment
with
a
liquor
license?
But
not
a
group
living
in
school
facility
for
on-house
children,
we
recommend
fulfilling
the
intent
of
the
code
and
requiring
the
minimum
spaces
for
this
project.
Q
Q
Only
one
third
of
their
guests
were
exiting
the
shelter
within
30
days,
and
yet
the
design
presented
here
has
90
of
the
rooms
being
smaller
than
the
shelter
design
manual
standards.
65
percent
of
guests
are
in
accommodations,
more
crowded
than
jail
cells
are
required
to
offer
and
all
of
the
medical
rooms
fail
to
meet
the
American
Art
Institute
of
Architects
medical
guideline
standards
manual
standards.
Q
This
leaves
a
huge
gap
of
about
70
people
spending
months
or
years
in
substandard
sleeping
situations.
How
is
it
that
this
design
mitigates
impact
on
the
surrounding
areas?
Similarly,
the
bathroom
ratio
for
each
sleeping
area
type
is
shown
to
the
right,
showing
that
approximately
80
percent
of
guests
would
be
Reliant.
Q
An
overcrowded
bathroom
facilities
serving
more
than
the
four
bed
standards,
even
the
medically
fragile
area,
where
the
standard
is
reinforced
by
the
AIA
medical
design
guidance
document
does
not
meet
the
standard.
Why
should
medically
fragile
guests
be
afforded
substandard
spaces
because
they're
houseless,
skilled
nursing
care
takes
space
and
specialized
equipment?
Provision
of
services
to
the
medically
fragile
has
been
a
focal
point
of
interface
promotion
of
this
facility,
but
why
would
Boise
accept
a
design
that
does
not
meet
the
AIA
standards
for
this
type
of
Care
Facility?
Q
However,
not
only
is
provision
of
a
window
explicitly
included
for
all
patient
rooms
and
the
AIA
design
document
for
medical
facilities.
It
was
also
previously
promoted
by
the
applicant.
In
fact,
council's
approval
relied
on
the
applicant's
characterization
of
the
design
of
this
facility.
Mitigating
impacts,
including
their
assertion
that
private
and
semi-private
sleeping
spaces
would
provide
a
refuge
from
crowded
day
use
spaces.
The
applicant
explicitly
referenced
this
design
as
an
improvement
from
the
large
dormitory
shelter
to
science.
Q
I've
also
included
a
screenshot
of
STC
ratings
of
various
other
building
materials
for
enclosed
buildings
in
general,
the
denser,
the
material.
The
wall
is
constructed
from
the
more
sound
attenuation
it
provides,
and
for
that
reason,
we've
previously
recommended
masonry
walls
for
the
external
fencing.
Q
Q
These
plans
do
not
specify
evacuation
routes
or
meeting
points,
and
we
question
both
whether
an
evacuation
plan
has
been
compiled
and
where
interfaithful
designate
meeting
points
to
protect
both
guest
health
and
safety
and
prevent
impact
to
the
surrounding
properties
of
the
vicinity
separately.
We
understand
that
Willow
Lane
police
substation
may
now
be
permanently
decommissioned,
rather
than
reopened.
Q
Council
relied
on
that
location
being
operational
in
their
fact-finding.
So
it's
lack
substantially
changes
the
impact.
The
assessment,
the
design,
does
not
specify
any
accommodations
to
provide
a
safe
to
safely
house
pets
in
a
congregate
facility,
either
in
the
family
side
or
the
adult
side,
saying
only
that
this
was
not
required
in
the
cep.
Q
Q
In
the
rebuttal,
the
applicant
references
multiple
day
rooms
in
response
to
a
concern
that
gender
segregated
Lounge
areas
are
not
provided,
which
is
a
best
practice,
but
alternate
spaces
do
not
appear
to
be
designated
for
restricted
access.
There's
a
lot
of
classroom
spaces
that
are
predetermined,
have
predetermined
uses
or
small
Lounge
spaces
that
are
open
to
all
comers
and
the
shelter
design
manual
highlights
the
importance
of
maintaining
staff
sight
lines
and
communal,
lounge
and
dining
areas.
Q
Q
As
a
final
note,
the
applicant
denied
that
the
the
posted
sign,
which
is
pictured
here,
did
not
meet
the
application
specific
specifications
that
all
notices
shall
be
printed
on
bright,
colored,
paper,
yellow
or
orange
are
recommended.
While
they
referred
to
a
posting
affidavit
and
photos,
we
were
not
able
to
find
these
in
the
application
materials.
Q
Q
Q
Q
In
summary,
it's
unconventional
to
place
a
large
shelter
home
like
this
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
We
urge
you
to
make
the
applicant
support
their
statement
that
the
mitigation
on
impact
of
the
surrounding
area
is
in
the
design
by
providing
a
design
that
meets
code
requirements.
Similar
uses
would
be
subject
to
provide
the
code
required
minimum
play
Space
indoors
and
out
provide
50
square
feet
per
bed
and
dormitories
or
far
better
provide
private
rooms
and
doors
for
each
household.
L
Q
A
We
do
have
live
on
our
sign
up
sheet
here
tonight,
so
we'll
take
those
in
order
from
the
public
standpoint.
Public
beach
get
three
minutes
and
the
first
on
the
list
is
Denise.
Zimmerman.
L
R
Last
week
there
was
an
ammonia
leak
at
an
ifs
current
building,
not
at
the
building
but
near
it.
Everyone
is
okay,
but
I
noticed
a
couple
things
about
ifs's
response
to
the
link.
First,
there
were
only
two
people
Staffing
their
entire
building.
This
obviously
is
not
enough
to
take
care
of
153
homeless
people,
let
alone
evacuate
them
this.
R
If
this
had
been
an
emergency
inside
their
building
such
as
a
fire,
this
lack
of
Staffing
would
have
caused
a
disaster
after
the
ammonia
leak
either
Faith
was
quoted
as
saying
they
were
unhappy
with
a
lack
of
communication
and
planning
regarding
the
response
from
Boise
fire
and
Boise
Police
ifs
says:
there
is
no
plan
to
manage
the
evacuation
of
the
homeless
on
the
streets.
Peterson
Steiger
specifically
said
it
was
total
chaos
and
really
no
clarity.
R
This
was
said
with
take
without
taking
any
responsibility
herself
for
what
she
calls
her
people.
Why
was
it
total
chaos?
Why
was
there?
No
Clarity
I
believe
it
was
ifs.
Lack
of
planning
ifs
needs
to
be
responsible
for
the
safety
of
their
guests.
Staff
inside
and
outside
the
building.
Ifs
should
not
expect
Boise
services
to
expend
their
limited
resources
to
cover
ifs,
lack
of
Staffing
and
planning.
R
This
is
where
the
new
building
design
comes
in
ifs
was
not
able
to
quickly
manage
the
evacuation
of
their
current
building
in
the
new
building.
There
are
more
exits
and
entries
to
watch.
There
are
more
medically
fragile
and
hospice
people.
The
new
design
has
several
separated
areas.
There
are
two
separated
large
gated
outside
areas.
There
is
a
second
floor
and
a
completely
separate
building
and
three
doors
marked
intake.
R
Neither
two
nor
five
staff
can
manage.
The
comings
and
goings
of
the
site
can
ifs,
create
a
plan
for
enough
Staffing
to
take
care
of
the
building
in
this
design.
The
real
design
questions
are:
is
this
design
the
best
plan
to
safely
house
205
homeless?
People
is
ifs
trying
to
house
too
many
people
can
ifs,
actually
staff
the
building
to
keep
people
safe
ifs
often
mentions
that
they
don't
have
enough
staff.
There
are
several
businesses
in
Boise
and
elsewhere,
who
also
don't
have
enough
staff.
These
businesses
are
closed.
R
Y
Y
Thank
you.
Committee
members.
My
name
is
Gary
zorman
Plum,
Street,
Boise
Idaho.
The
design
before
you
today
is
vastly
changed
from
what
the
city
council
reviewed
and
approved
the
applicant's
many
changes
create
additional
impacts
to
Public
Safety
health
and
property.
As
the
DRC,
the
city
code
allows
you
in
the
case
of
impacts
to
Public
Safety
health
and
property
value,
as
always
to
deny
the
application
or
to
require
significant
changes,
such
as
reduced
density.
In
light
of
this
designs,
many
changes
and
their
impacts,
you
really
must
deny
the
design.
Y
10
of
the
many
changes
are
one.
It's
much
larger.
The
rebuttal
from
the
applicant
says
the
overall
building
floor
area
has
grown
from
thirty
five
thousand
six
hundred
to
forty
two
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
four
square
feet.
Also,
according
to
the
submitted
applications,
the
main
building
has
grown
32
percent
The
increased
size
is
not
what
council
approved.
Also
the
expanded
metal
building
should
be
reviewed
for
safety.
Two
daylight
has
been
removed
from
sleeping
in
other
areas,
with
removal
of
29
solar
tubes.
Y
Now
only
13
percent
of
the
beds
have
daylight
a
negative
impact
to
guest
health.
Three
men's
entrants
move
to
west
side
next
to
Flying
Pie.
This
will
create
queuing
and
added
crime
impact
next
to
their
business.
There
is
no
buffer
four
using
a
separate
building
for
beds
with
no
in-building
staff
for
security.
This
impacts,
guest
safety
and
neighboring
properties,
5.
added
a
storage
facility
in
front
of
the
main
building
next
to
the
street,
only
accessible
outside
of
all
the
secure
areas.
Y
This
adds
safety
impacts
from
weapons
and
Contraband
storage
to
a
of
helping,
facilitate
non-guest
access,
six
families
no
longer
in
their
separate
building
the
applicant
to
sway
Council
repeatedly
stated
families
had
their
own
separate
building,
but
not
anymore.
Adults
will
now
dine
in
the
same
building
and
work
in
its
teaching
kitchen,
which
has
ready
access
to
the
family
area,
which
further
creates
safety
issues.
Y
Seven
the
computer
room
and
Library
are
now
in
shared
Adult,
Space,
Children's
Health
is
impacted
by
no
longer
having
access
the
applicant
previously
touted.
These
amenities
for
all
guests
again,
natala
Council,
approved,
hey
the
adult
population
has
changed,
though
the
applicant's
letter
says
57
men
and
26
women.
The
drawings
show
51
men
32
women.
This
is
a
significant
change
to
what
council
approved
and
should
be
reviewed,
also
concerning,
as
applicants
confusion
on
who
they
are
housing.
Y
Y
Z
The
applicant
has
stated
they
were
planning
to
take
any
and
all
pets
the
rebuttal,
however
States
the
pet
facilities
are
not
part
of
the
cup
approval
and
the
client
is
still
designing
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
catty
or
be
like
the
Cat
in
the
Hat,
but
two
years
of
plans
and
still
no
spot
for
spot.
We
are
spot
on
and
asking
how
many
spots
for
the
spotted
spots
are
we
expecting
to
spot
at
the
spot?
Z
We
are
not
barking
up
the
wrong
tree
when
we
say
that
it
could
be
raining.
Cats
and
dogs
in
this
building,
a
same
size,
Western
sister
city
or
better
set
a
littermake
city
with
a
200
person.
Occupancy
low
barrier.
Shelter
currently
has
pets
numbering
in
the
hundreds
nightly
well
Betsy.
If
that
occurs
here,
it
won't
be
puppies
and
unicorny
rainbows.
Z
This
could
be
a
hairy
Doggy,
Dog
situation,
The
Limited
tail
wagging
space
in
the
facility
and
the
current
parvo
outbreak
in
the
valley
further
raises
the
hackles
as
to
the
need
for
an
intentional
pet
design.
The
cat
is
out
of
the
bag.
It's
time
to
stop
chasing
our
Tails.
This
isn't
about
kicking
the
underdog
or
about
barring
pets
on
a
three
dog
night
or
the
dog
days
of
summer
or
any
of
Boise's
lovely
days
in
between
this
is
about
designing
a
safe
and
healthy
area
for
a
certain
amount
of
preferably
prevented
animals.
Z
Boise
should
have
a
ferocious
pet
peeve
with
those
that
prepare
for
pets
as
if
they
are
nothing
but
fluff
and
fun
pets
are
pleasurable,
but
they
have
back
ends
that
indiscriminately
excrete
contaminants
continually.
They
have
teeth
at
bite
and
Claws
at
scratch,
and
they
are
capable
of
spreading
potentially
lethal
germs
to
humans
and
other
pets,
and
allergies
are
nothing
to
sneeze
about
together.
The
community
and
guests
have
a
dog
in
this
fight.
What
is
allowed
in
this
facility
will
inevitably
prance
into
the
the
community.
Z
Let's
not
make
this
parade
a
dog
and
pony
show
counts
on
the
opportunity
to
guard
guests
and
the
community
from
going
to
the
dogs,
whether
the
nightly
pet
count
is
the
legal
residential
count
of
four
dogs
or
five
cats,
or
the
licensed
non-commercial
kennel
count
of
10
or
the
catastrophic
number
or
a
catastrophic
number.
A
pet
design
is
imperative.
It
would
be
the
cat's
pajamas
if
a
freestanding
bedding
and
quarantine
building
could
be
included
on
the
premises.
Z
It
would
be
meow
the
list
if
the
design
could
include
items
on
our
pre-submitted
list,
including
Ben
strands
crate
areas
Etc
it's
time
to
unleash
the
hounds
and
alpha
dog
is
needed
to
lead
the
pack.
This
is
no
time
to
show
off
skills
of
Sit
Stay
and
down.
Don't
just
roll
over
and
play
dead
old
dogs
can
learn
new
tricks.
We
double
dog,
dare
you
to
retrieve
Vitos
dropped
ball
attaboy?
Z
O
A
E
Yes,
my
name
is
Karen
scriber
I
reside
at
4035,
West
Garnet
Street
in
Veterans
Park
neighborhood.
This
is
the
third
design
that
ifs
just
presented
were
the
number
of
rooms
for
medically
fragile
have
increased.
The
last
design
ifs
presented
for
the
city
council
hearing
reflected
the
facility
having
12
rooms
and
three
bathrooms
for
medically
fragile.
Yet
now
they
have
21
rooms
and
still
three
bathrooms.
How
can
Boise
City
approve
a
building
design
when
they
don't
know
what
level
of
Medical
Care
these
residents
are
going
to
be
provided?
E
Jody
Peterson
Steiger
said
in
an
Idaho
Statesman
interview
when
discussing
the
medical
piece
of
her
facility.
This
is
housing.
It's
free
housing.
This
sounds
like
an
assisted
living
or
nursing
home
facility
for
21
people,
which
I
expect.
In
many
cases
it
will
be
when
Terry
Riley,
Health,
Services,
May
well,
Terry,
Reilly,
Health
Services
may
have
assisted
ifs
and
they're
designed
for
the
medically
fragile
Terry.
Reilly
is
a
private
medical
dental
entity
who
does
not
oversee
the
requirements
for
nursing,
home
and
assisted
living
facilities.
The
Idaho
Department
of
Health
and
Welfare
is
responsible
for
that
activity.
E
G
A
The
final
name
on
the
sign
up
sheet
sheet
is
David.
Is
it
shirtleff
close
David?
If
you
would
please
state
your
name
for
the
record
too
bad.
G
Mr,
chairman
and
committee
I'm
David
shortliff
I
live
at
2609
North
36th
Street
in
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
I
have
reviewed
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association's
comments
in
details
and
Concur
and
support
them
in
full.
I
have
also
the
following
comments.
One
the
BCC
110204.1
specifies
that
the
design
review
committee's
duties,
jurisdictions
and
Authority
are
to
protect
property
rights
and
values
at
the
development
of
the
land,
does
not
impair
or
preclude
the
orderly
and
harmonious
development
of
the
community
and
ensures
General
appearances.
G
Given
the
history
of
the
existing
location
and
Cooper
Court.
This
is
not
an
arbitrary
and
capricious
opinion,
as
stated
in
the
city
council's
appearing
appeals,
findings,
arbitrary,
simply
means
based
on
random
choice
of
or
personal
whim,
rather
than
any
reason
or
symptom
a
system
capricious
given
to
sudden
and
unaccountable
changes
in
mood
or
behavior.
None
of
those
are
involved
in
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission's
findings.
G
Three.
The
impact
on
surrounding
residential
businesses.
The
park
will
be
adversely
impacted
this
being
a
low
barrier
facility.
The
city
council's
added
condition
of
syringe
disposal
facilities
indicates
they
anticipate
illegal
drug
use
four.
Lastly,
those
of
us
in
the
four
neighborhood
associations
are
amused
by
the
charge
of
a
NIMBY,
which
is
probably
true
when
most
of
those
making
that
charge
live
nowhere
near
the
proposed
shelter
five.
Given
the
authority
afforded
the
design
Review
Committee
by
the
BCC
110204.1.
G
A
A
Anybody
online,
okay,
Josh
I,
guess,
go
with
your
first
available
and
when
able
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AA
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
great,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
before
the
design,
Review
Committee
Boise
city
code
under
DRC
decision,
Authority
charges,
the
DRC
to
concern
itself
with
Public
Safety
health
or
diminution
of
property
values.
The
code
also
says,
regarding
commercial
adjacent
to
residential,
to
design
shell
minimize
impacts
on
adjoining
residential
uses,
complex
and
nuanced.
You
must
assess
the
Design's
impact
to
Public
Safety
property
values,
and
that
should
also
include
the
potential
broader
impacts
to
neighboring
residential
as
well.
AA
At
prior
hearing
the
applicant
said
these
safety
concerns
would
be
addressed
in
the
design
review
process.
During
the
PCC
hearing,
Mr
erstadt
said
we
are
designing
this
building
to
solve
the
problems
and
meet
the
challenges
and
making
sure
their
clients
and
their
guests
are
safe,
and
some
of
that
security
plan
will
be
dependent
on
design
review.
But
now
the
applicant
and
their
October
6th
letter
states
that
the
security
measures
are
not
part
of
the
site
design
and
the
security
plan
is
not
part
of
the
design
review
approval
process.
AA
But
again,
you
must
review
the
design
to
ensure
that
public
guests,
public
and
guests
are
safeguarded
from
crimes
and
other
potential
dangers,
as
well
as
from
other
impacts.
The
design
has
upon
neighboring
residential
and
with
the
many
changes
from
what
city
council
approved,
you
can't
simply
rely
on
that
approval.
AA
So
here
we
are
at
design
review
and
the
applicant
continues
to
Kick
the
Can
down
the
road
with
a
heavily
modified
design
from
what
was
previously
approved
that
continues
to
not
address
Public
Safety,
but
one
that
creates
new
safety
risks,
including
one
new
entrances
shown
or
described
on
both
East
and
West
property
lines.
These
will
cause
queuing
adjacent
to
the
residents
of
Riley
and
the
flying
pipe
Pizza
to
the
use
of
separate
building
for
beds,
but
with
no
safety
staff
or
security.
This
impacts
guest
safety
and
creates
probable,
disorderly
Behavior
adjacent
to
the
neighboring
homes.
AA
Three,
the
addition
of
a
storage
facility
accessible
outside
the
site's
secure
area
and
along
State
Street.
This
has
risks
of
weapons
and
Contraband
storage,
as
well
as
accessibility
to
non-guests.
The
current
design
does
not
satisfacture
satisfactorily
address
these
new
risks
and
negative
impacts,
and
therefore
you
must
deny
the
whatever
it
must
be
Delight.
Thank
you.
AB
Hi
this
is
Brent
Matthew
I
reside
at
4130
West
Plum
Street
in
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association,
one
block
north
of
of
the
Interfaith
Sanctuary
property.
AB
I
would
like
to
thank
the
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
to
testify,
and
it's
been
very
informative.
Listening
to
both
the
applicant
and
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association,
Representatives
I
would
strongly
support
and
endorse
what
others
have
testified,
particularly
president
Katie
Decker.
Regarding
the
the
issues
with
this
design
review.
AB
That
said,
just
to
add
my
own
insights
on
the
site
review.
AB
One
of
the
main
concerns
would
be
from
my
neighbors
and
myself
to
the
north
along
Plum
Street
directly
north
of
the
boundary
and
I
would
urge
the
committee
to
carefully
look
at
the
sound
barrier
of
any
fencing
and
possibly
ask
the
applicant
to
add
a
setback
with
Shrubbery
or
other
sound
proofing.
Material
security,
material,
I.
Think
one
of
the
one
of
the
testimonies
was
masonry
instead
of
a
fairly
poor
fencing
material.
AB
And
one
of
my
personal
particular
campaigns
is
goat.
Heads
which
currently
have
infested
State
Street
on
this
property
and
others
and
I
know
because
I've
harvested
or
pulled
over
five
gallons
of
goat
heads
this
year
from
the
interface
Sanctuary
property
and
and
more
from
properties
around
there.
With
permission
of
the
property
owners,
including
interface
Sanctuary.
But
I
really
do
hope
that
the
design
Review
Committee
will
re
will
require
Landscape
Maintenance
to
prevent
the
spread
of
goat
heads,
which
will
impact
both
the
guests,
bicycles
and,
and
then
of
the
neighborhood.
AB
And
one
further
comment
is
I
noticed
that
the
outdoor
areas
for
recreation
show
grass,
which
I
would
ask
the
design
Review
Committee
to
ask
the
applicant
whether
that's
a
practical
consideration
due
to
the
heavy
use
that
I
think
would
be
expected
for
this
area
and
whether
or
not
grass
could
could
thrive
in
the
heavy
use
condition.
AB
So
again,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
I
hope.
Boise
finds
a
better
way
for
use
of
this
property,
and
we
did
not
deny
this
application.
Thank
you.
A
AC
Great
yeah,
the
Steve
Fuji
Lake,
Harbor
HOA,
so
as
I
Was
preparing
my
remarks
for
tomorrow
tonight,
I
read
through
drc's
actual
duties,
jurisdictions
and
Authority
as
per
Boise
city
code,
1124.1,
very
interesting,
where
your
charge
is
to
protect
property
rights
and
values
and
to
ensure
that
the
development
of
the
land
does
not
impair
or
preclude
the
orderly
and
harmonious
development
of
the
community.
Furthermore,
the
DRC
via
1124.2
is
concerned
with
protecting
the
public
safety,
health
and
reduction
of
property
values.
AC
So
the
pnz
commission
had
similar
objectives
at
a
high
level,
looked
at
early
plans
and
had
to
make
their
decision
based
on
those
plans,
as
did
city
council
when
they
overturned
the
pnz
commission's
denial
of
the
cup.
Now
months
later,
you
get
to
look
at
more
detailed
plans
and
basically
validate
three
or
more
focused
lens.
The
property,
property
rights
and
values
are
protected
and
that
the
development
does
not
impair
or
preclude
the
orderly
and
harmonious
development
of
the
community
and
the
public
safely.
AC
AC
K
Mr
chairman:
that's
it
for
raised
hands.
There
are
a
couple
more
people
online.
So
if
they'd
like
to
speak,
I
just
ask
that
they
raise
their
hands.
A
So
if
anybody
either
in
look
here
in
person
or
online
use
the
if
you're
online
use
the
raise
hand
feature
if
you
want
to
speak
testify
tonight,
so
you
remember
the
public
here
in
person
that
wants
to
testify
tonight
seen
none
in
person
not
online.
Thank
you
very
much
with
the
applicant
like
to
have
a
rebuttal.
T
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
committee
again
Jeff
Wardle
address,
is
251
East
Front
this
route,
310.
as
we
contemplate
it.
You
did
not
hear
a
single
objection
tonight
that
relates
to
the
actual
design
review
standards
that
Josh
identified
and
that
our
application
sought
to
address.
From
the
very
beginning,
you
heard
an
attempt
to
relitigate
issues
that
were
the
subject
of
nearly
40
hours
of
public
proceedings.
T
T
I've
never
seen
an
application
criticized
for
adaptively
reusing,
an
existing
Warehouse
that
now
we're
adding
on
and
creating
a
functional
second
level
that
has
no
impact
and
doesn't
doesn't
deviate
from
the
existing
setbacks.
Because
of
how
the
loading
dock
is,
I've
never
had
an
application
with
the
degree
of.
T
Distaste
by
individuals
who
tonight
tell
you
that
they're
concerned
about
the
well-being
of
our
guests
yet
criticize
the
application,
because
it's
gotten
bigger
and
it
provides
more
space.
It
provides
more
services,
I've,
never
seen
an
application
criticized
where
the
condition
of
approval
is.
You
have
to
have
physical
separation
of
the
adult
population
from
the
family
population.
So,
of
course
you
have
to
relocate
your
kitchen
and
you
build
your
kitchen
in
a
secure
location
that
can
serve
both
of
those
populations.
T
To
be
honest,
I
took
a
sabbatical
this
summer,
because
I
was
so
disgusted
by
this
whole
process
and
I
still
am
because
we're
still
litigating
these
issues.
We're
still
talking
about
these
issues.
We
still
have
conditions
of
approval
and
I'm
going
to
be
absolutely
clear
with
you
and
you
guys,
shouldn't
have
to
rehear
this
and
rehash
it
and
do
other
stuff.
Design
review
is
about
compliance
with
the
Boise
design
guidelines
and
when
we're
in
a
c5d
district,
the
downtown
design
guidelines.
T
T
T
T
In
fact,
we've
gone
far
beyond
the
standard
and
I
take
umbrage
with
Ms
Decker's,
complete
and
utter
disregard
for
what
the
city
council
told
us
to
do,
and
this
notion
that
we
haven't
complied
we're
not
trying
to
do
the
best
we're
not
addressing
these
things
we
are,
but
what
Ms
Decker
would
have
you
do
is
impose
conditions
that
do
not
exist
that
have
never
been
adopted
and
are
not
part
of
the
design.
Standards
and
I
am
not
going
to
allow
that
to
happen.
T
We
are
never
and
you
can
write
this
down.
Miss
Decker.
We
are
never
going
to
provide
the
public
with
our
security
plan,
because
that
is
between
us,
the
police
and
the
relevant
agencies.
Here
at
the
city
of
Boise,
it
is
not
the
purview
of
the
neighborhood
association,
so
we
are
comfortable
that
we've
satisfied
the
conditions.
We
are
comfortable
that
we've
designed
a
project
that
is
wonderful
that
improves
on
what
we
do
and
I'm
just
tired,
tired
of
the
constant
scurrilous
accusations
about
my
clients
and
their
staff.
T
Boise
is
better
than
this,
and
unfortunately,
too
many
of
our
too
many
of
our
neighbors
don't
recognize
that
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
technical
elements,
Mr
erstad
is
still
available.
But
with
that
we
request
your
unanimous
approval
tonight
and
let
us
move
forward
to
building
permits
and
resolving
many
of
these
issues
that
have
been
identified.
O
Yes
and
this
question
might
be
for
Mr
erstad,
can
you
confirm
that
the
project
is
meeting
the
required
bicycle
parking
that
may
have
been
a
condition
in
the
cup
or
what's
required,
per
the
design
guidelines
or.
J
Zone
in
chairman
Marsh
and
Committee
Member
Aguilar,
the
the
bike
parking
is
I
cannot
tell
you
right
now
that
we
meet
per
code,
the
exact
square
footage
for
the
parking.
We
will
meet
the
parking
requirement
and
there
is
adequate
space
in
that
general
area
to
to
make
the
the
finding
so.
F
Well,
he's
here:
is
there
any
screening
behind
the
facility
from
the
neighbors
landscaping
or
otherwise.
J
Chairman
Marsh
and
and
Committee
Member
Sacrament,
we,
we
are
proposing
an
eight
foot
tall
screen
fence
all
the
way
around
the
perimeter
of
the
property
around
the
the
north
perimeter,
East
and
West
perimeters
Josh.
If
you
could
pull
up
the
site
plan
that
might
help
you
understand
it,
a
little
more.
This
space
has
no
access
into
the
neighborhood
through
the
north.
You
come
in
off
of
State
Street
and
you
you
leave
the
facility
off
of
State,
Street
and
I.
J
F
J
Have
no
screen
in
their
building
sits
right
on
the
property
line,
thank
you,
but
they
have
no
windows
on
that
on
the
their
East
wall.
The
West
property
line
of
the
of
the
facility.
H
Mr
chairman,
yes,
Mr,
said
regarding
emergency
access,
Lane
in
the
back
has
Boise
Police
or
fire
indicated
that
they
need
to
access
that
on
a
regular
basis.
I
know
there
are
some
concerns
from
the
neighborhood
regarding
multiple
days
a
week
have
they
indicated
they
can
respond
to
emergencies
through
the
front
parking
lot
or.
J
J
One
are
the
conjecture
at
this
point,
and
the
fact
is
that
that
they're
not
probably
going
to
dispatch
a
fire
truck
all
the
way
to
the
back
of
the
building
they'll
come
to
the
front
of
the
building
and
if,
if
need
be,
then
to
the
back
I'm
going
to
extend
your
question
a
little
bit
more.
J
If
I
may
there,
there
is
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
security
and
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
access
and
fire
department
and
and
police
and
visits,
and
this
and
that
and
one
of
the
things
that
Council
portal
made
a
comment
on
was
the
security
plan.
J
J
All
the
things
that
were
brought
up
tonight
were
actual
conditions
of
of
approval
from
city
council,
and
so
you,
you,
City
Council
in
overturning
pnz's
denial,
gave
us
an
enormous
number
of
of
of
conditions,
and
there
was
no
expectation
that
the
conditions
would
be
resolved
in
the
exact
same
configuration
of
the
building,
it's
physically
impossible
to
do
that
so
councils
conditions
to
us
were
figure.
J
These
things
out,
make
them
work,
address
them
and,
and
many
of
the
many
of
the
conditions
which
were
in
part
fostered
by
the
neighborhood's
concerns,
have
made
this
a
better
project.
So
I
I
find
it
a
little
bit
challenging
to
say
this
is
a
totally
different
project.
This
is
these.
This
is
the
same
project.
J
Responding
to
the
conditions
of
approval
by
Council
and
Council
has
said
that
design
review
can
review
those
conditions,
Josh's
review
and
one
of
the
very
first
paragraphs
in
his
analysis
was
the
the
applicant
has
addressed
all
of
the
conditions
associated
with
design
review
and
that's
I.
Think
that's
the
important
thing.
Don't
get
distracted
by
comments
on
the
interior
of
the
building.
Many
of
the
many
of
the
sort
of
identified
condition.
Not
conditions,
many
of
the
identified
standards
that
were
referenced
tonight,
AIA
standards
are
based
on
Health
Care
Facilities.
J
This
is
not
a
health
care
facility.
Many
of
the
conditions
were
based
on
British
Columbia
Canada
that
has
no
jurisdiction
nor
application
in
in
this
situation.
I
I
want
to
be
just
really
careful
that
we're
we're
putting
into
this
facility
many
many
best
practices
and
we're
advancing
many
of
those
practices,
and
so
using
standards
that
aren't
appropriate
for
this
evaluation
are
disingenuous
and
I.
Think
we
want
to
be
careful.
J
I
urge
I,
urge
your
review
and
and
I
appreciate
your
concern
about
the
access
to
the
fire
trucks
and
and
and
the
sound
and
the
fence
height
and
things
of
that
nature,
as
we
have
worked
very
diligently
and
very
hard,
and
we've
worked
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
our
interpretation
of
the
conditions
is
act
is
an
accurate
interpretations
and
we
apply
those
into
the
planning
that
that
we
are
in
all
honesty
and,
in
all
sincerity,
responding
to
those
conditions,
and
so,
as
as
Jeffrey
said
damned
if
you
do
damned,
if
you
don't,
you
know,
we
think
this
is
a
fantastic
project.
H
E
H
Individual
areas
was
going
to
be
opened
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think
you've
answered
that
adequately.
For
me,
another
real,
quick
Mr
chair.
If
you
don't
mind
another
question
on
the
storage
area,
that
is
on
the
State
Street
side
of
the
building,
that
small
addition
is,
how
is
that
accessed
and
is
that
a
supervised
access
is
that
free,
you
know,
storage
go
in
and
out
without
any
security.
All.
J
H
A
Questions
for
that
again,
a
quick
just
confirmation
here,
I
see
you
have
a
fairly
abundant
Lighting
on
the
back
side
of
the
building.
Just
want
to
just
want
to
ask
all
those
are
fully
screen,
so
you
don't
have
light
spillage
over
into
the
neighbor's
yards.
Is
that
correct.
J
Chairman
Martian
members
of
the
committee,
the
the
lighting
design
plan
is
the
which
is
submitted
in
and
part
of
your
package.
The
the
design
is
is
really
focused
to
cut
off
and
Screen
lighting.
That's
going
to
spill
out
and
I.
There
will
probably
be
a
little
bit
of
adjusting
here
and
there,
but
the
intent
is
I.
J
O
Mr
chair,
yes,
I,
have
one
more
question
for
Mr
stead,
just
a
confirmation.
O
If
and
when
you
submit
to
the
building
department,
I'm
assuming
you'll
meet
all
the
city
adopted
codes
and
standards
per
building
department
requirements
such
as
fire
ABC
Etc.
Whatever
else
they
have
adopted.
J
Chairman
Marsh
members
of
the
committee
and
and
Ms
Aguilar
I,
prefer
to
say
when
we
submit
to
the
building
departments,
not
if
and
I,
also
prefer
to
say
and
and
I
know.
You
recognize
this
my
license.
J
My
firm's
license
requires
that
we
meet
every
single
condition
of
the
conditional
use
of
approval,
every
condition
you
may
apply
or
put
on
it
and
any
any
and
all
conditions
and
requirements
of
the
Boise
Boise
city
building
department
in
including
all
of
the
Life
Safety
Code
requirements,
the
IBC,
Etc
and
and
there's
a
list
of
those
I
but
I.
Yes,
we
will
make
sure
that
it
meets
all
of
those
requirements.
A
When
one
last
question
there's
some
comments
on
sound,
is
there
any
kind
of
comparison
of
what
this
facility
generates
from
kind
of
a
noise
as
compared
to
a
similar
commercial
use
that
would
be
located
in
adjacent.
J
Chairman
Martian
committee
members,
I'll
be
candid
and
honest.
We
don't
have
the
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
sound
data
on
what
what
the
original
use
was
and
what
the
issues
is.
J
We
were
actually
very
much
involved
in
the
original
Salvation,
Army
and
and
some
modifications
and
whatnot
before
we
designed
their
whole
new
facility
and
the
the
sound
that
they
had
routinely
was
a
big
giant,
cardboard,
compactor
and
trash
compactors,
and
then
unloading
and
loading
facilities
in
the
back
adjacent
to
the
neighbors
to
the
north.
But
they
they
always
had
a
large,
a
tall
fence
there
as
well
and
yeah.
T
Mr
chairman
Marsh,
to
point
out
with
the
conditions
of
approval
the
city
council
imposed,
there
were
limitations
on
sound
access
and
other
issues
that
go
beyond
what
you
would
find
with
an
otherwise
permitted
C2
Zone.
We
have
Express
limitations
on
on
Time,
quiet
hours,
Amplified,
sound
and
other
things
that
go
beyond
what's
in
a
C2,
so
we're
we're
comfortable
that
it's
would
be
far
less
intrusive
than
a
yet
another
bar
on
State
Street.
Thank.
H
You
Mr
chair,
if
I
just
one
real,
quick
follow-up
I
saw
in
the
packet
the
design
of
the
bus,
shelter
on
the
the
side
of
State
Street.
It
looked
like
going
back
through
some
of
the
conditions.
There
was
a
condition
of
approval
to
install
about
shelter
on
both
sides
of
State
Street
I
just
didn't
see
that
in
the
rendering
or
the
the
site
plan.
I
would
just
want
to
confirm
that
that
is
the
plan
of
the
for
the
project.
J
Chairman
Marsh
and
Committee
Member
simple,
yes,
that
is
a
condition
of
approval
and
and
we
and
we
indicate
the
location
of
the
of
the
bus,
shelter
which
is
actually
at
the
same
location.
The
current
bus
stop
is,
and
it,
and
one
of
the
conditions
is
that
both
sides
of
State
Street
got
a
bus.
Shelter
will
be
working
with
VRT
and
achd
and
all
appropriate
product
agencies
to
make
sure
that
happens.
Thank.
H
A
Real
quick
on
our
RTE
screening:
let's
see,
there's
a
paint
call
out
and
it
says
RTE
screen.
But
what
material
is
that
proposed.
A
Hearing
none
thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
test
or
the
testimony
here
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
for
discussion
and
emotion.
A
F
I
have
to
start
by
saying
to
you
that
I'm
a
little
bit
surprised
at
the
testimony
here
tonight,
I've
been
following
this
I,
don't
know
what
to
call
it
to
this
case
for
quite
a
while,
and
all
I've
heard
is
opposition
from
the
neighborhood
and
then
and
from
the
neighbors
and
from
the
neighborhood
association
about
citing
this
use
at
this
location
and
I'm
very
surprised
to
hear
tonight
that
it's
all
about
concern
for
the
residents
of
the
organ
of
the
facility.
F
So
it's
hard
not
to
be
cynical
sitting
here
and
listening
to
that
and
wondering
if
you
know
this
isn't
a
last-ditch
effort
to
try
to
kill
this
project.
F
So
that
being
said,
I
I
I
asked
about
soundproofing,
because
this
does
this
building
does
back
up
to
a
neighborhood
and
it's
important
for
any
neighborhood
to
be
buffered
from
anything
on
State,
Street
and
I'm.
Glad
that
the
conditions
involve
going
above
and
beyond
normal
sound
proofing,
the
same
with
bike
parking,
I
think
State
Street
is
going
to
become
more
of
a
bike.
Corridor,
hopefully,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
every
project
has
adequate
bike
parking
for
everyone.
F
I'm
I'm
not
really
sure
where
the
interior
of
the
project
comes
in
to
this
discussion
as
I'm.
Sorry
I
can't
even
remember
which
Committee
Member
asked
you
know
if,
if
all
the
conditions
are
going
to
well,
they
asked
Mr
ersted
to
make
you
know
if
everything
is
going
to
be
passed
by
building
code,
and
the
answer
is
of
course
yes,
so
that
is
not
our
purview.
F
I,
like
the
design
of
the
building
I,
think
it's
this
more
recent
rendering
is
much
better
than
what
we've
seen
before
I
like
that.
It's
has
come
closer
to
the
to
the
front
of
State
Street.
It
makes
it
for
a
better
Corridor
for
everybody
and
I,
don't
see
how
an
improved
building
that
clearly
looks
greatly
enhanced
from
how
it's
been
for
the
last
few
years
could
lower
property
values
in
the
area,
so
I'm
I'm,
for
it.
H
Mr
Simple
yeah
I
mean
looking
at
the
previous
design,
I
mean
when,
during
the
process
of
hearings,
you
know
whether
it's
through
Planning
and
Zoning
city
council
design,
review
historic
commission
whatever
it
is.
You
know
when
you're
responding
to
conditions
of
approval,
the
designs
are
always
bound
to
change.
A
little
bit.
H
I
personally
feel
like
this
site
plan,
is
better
I
like
that.
There's
not
an
additional
building
on
the
northwest
portion
of
this
site.
I
think
it
provides
four
additional
buffering.
It
provides
opportunity
for
additional
landscape
in
here
it
looks
like
it's
retaining
additional
trees
with
less
impact.
Stormwater
impacts
are
lessened.
H
It
places
the
function
of
the
building
further
from
the
residents
to
the
north.
Yes,
there's
some
outdoor
recreation
areas
to
the
north,
but
that
would
be
similar
if
this
was
against
other
homes
that
had
backyards
against
the
other
backyards.
You'd
have
neighbors
that
are
recreating
in
their
backyards
that
you
know
inevitably
cause
noise,
and
you
know
any
development.
It
doesn't
matter
where
it
happens,
makes
an
impact.
H
This
one
just
happens
to
also
have
an
impact
on
a
segment
of
our
community
that
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
positivity.
It
doesn't
feel
like
it's
it's
a
hard
decision
to
make
when
we're
reviewing
these
designs.
I
think
you
know
per
Committee
Member
Zuckerman
statements.
The
building
is
attractive.
H
It
is
fulfilling
the
function
of
for
the
reason
or
why
it's
designed
they're,
enhancing
the
site
I
used
to
live
kind
of
over
in
this
area
and
would
go
to
the
Salvation
Army
building
a
lot
it
needed.
Some
help
and
I
only
see
improvements
with
this,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
I,
like
the
way
that
the
design
has
changed,
always
anticipate
changes
happening
on.
You
know
through
the
process,
so
I
appreciate
that
the
applicant's
responses
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
H
A
Hearing
then,
please
call
the
roll.