City of Boise, Idaho Development Impact Fee Advisory Committee, 14 Dec 2022

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12/14/2022

A

All right in the absence of Dave and Corbin I have been asked to call the meeting to order, so the meeting is called to order.

B

Excellent item.

A

Number one new business: we need to approve the minutes from November 16th. Sorry.

C

To interrupt can we do a roll call, real, quick.

C

So uh David.

A

B

Corbin Hart Michael Ellis, president Colleen.

A

Fellows here here.

A

Tony pory here, okay, all right has everybody had a chance to review the minutes from the November meeting.

B

It doesn't matter that I wasn't here.

A

Do we have a motion to approve the minutes from the November meeting? They were very short.

D

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from uh last month's meeting. I'll.

C

Second, that.

A

All in favor, please say aye all right. It moves motion, passes next item, North, River and Southeast Park planning area explore why we are here and I.

E

Will turn it over at this point, so I apologize, I didn't put together a fancy presentation or anything. However, it's because basically whatever's in the memo is pretty self-explanatory, just as a brief recap, um since I.

D

E

Dave was that the impact the adoption hearing that we had back in March but I'm, not sure if anyone else was so one of the things that happened um in addition to lots of commentary on pickleball was uh a couple representatives from the barber Valley neighborhood association.

E

You know, can I ask the question of. Why is Harris North, paying North River impact speech, which makes sense right I mean you have to literally drive through Barber Valley, to get to get to any of the North River parks, and so when went back and forth with Council a little bit and figured out, you know what it does make sense to change that.

E

However, the process to actually change it from by physically moving the boundary line on North River to get Harris North to fall within Southeast, rather than North River multi-year process very convoluted a couple years.

E

E

E

Sorry and so Trevor is also going to uh I think in two years from now, there's gonna there's a general update to the park planning area plan and.

F

So we'll be redrawing.

E

The line then, and even if we did an update right now, it probably we'd, probably still have to do the the full update in two years. So the theory was let's just change where we attribute that I mean because it's it's a Boise convention right, it's not by State Statute or anything like that. So, let's just change where we attribute the fees collected from Harris North to giving them to Southeast Barbara Valley. That will get them theoretically closer to all the Harris sooner rather than later, because more funding will go there.

E

And then you know, and we have fees to actually build that facility, so getting more fees into that fund is a good thing for that Park.

E

So, as a result, there's two things that happen so the first of which is a population shift which is just moving a whopping 222 people from North River into Southeast and then the other change, and this is the one that could still change a little bit because it's just based on the fees to date, and so, if we get some more fees in the interim, although I don't think there's a lot of undeveloped Lots up in Harris, North anymore.

E

But anyway, the second part of it um shift would move the 205 000 that we've collected already for homes up there, taking that out of the North River impact fee fund and moving it to the southeast, Barber Valley impact fee fund and combined in in the memory. You can see that the effect of both of those is to raise uh the per person fees in Harris, I'm, sorry in North, River by about 12 percent and lowering them in southeast by about 10 percent.

E

The nice thing there is that that all that is raising the second lowest category and lowering the second highest so reversion to mean that, and in this memo I don't need to walk you all through it, but it's the because the easy way to look at it right is just the per person, because that's just one number, no matter what size category you're in but there's the schedule that I did attach. That shows.

E

Here's What's um here's the current impact fee schedule for based on dwelling sizes, and it also reflects the 13.1 percent uh annual inflation adjustment, so the top table and both I'm sorry. The top portion of each table in each instance represents the current impact phase, uh not necessarily expelled correctly apparently um and then on the bottom. That's the revised impact fees.

E

So again it's just that roughly 10 to 12 percent move moving the the people and the fund balance to the to the that's called the correct planning area, um so I'm happy to stand for questions, I. Think it's pretty self-explanatory and I apologize that I again that I didn't have a formal presentation on it, but I just honestly didn't know what I presented me out. What's in the.

B

E

Right, okay, I guess I could have had a prettier effect for you guys, probably it's a nice color print out of that there.

A

You go comments, some questions, thank you. Travis comments and questions.

A

You know I did have one sure and it was fun on the map based on the PPA boundaries. Looking at the map, I can see where Council Springs Road starts to climb up into the Foothills there and have all of this Harris North is within the pink boundaries. So obviously it's North River in that lower pink boundary is where the Southeast Boise values.

A

um What about development that's happening just to the east of council, Springs Road My worry is I, guess let me phrase it this way. I hope we have a good definition of what we mean by Harris North, because the last time I checked it looked like there's some landscaping and moving happening in the Foothills just to the east of Where, The, Red rectangle is and I want to make sure that we capture that at the same time,.

E

So I'm not sure that unfortunately I don't know that we've got anyone forever might actually know this or um but the we contemplated. It would also be Harris, East, okay, development, I, don't know if that's the peace, the piece that you're talking about, but we can absolutely look into it to make sure that when we um correct- and it's not great we're set for the.

B

E

Months and then we have to move it.

B

Again, right yeah, it seems like we just go up. All of that would be Southeast.

E

Yeah- and maybe we phrase it when we actually take it to council and do the public hearing on it. Assuming that there's a recommendation to proceed, maybe we stated more generally that it's the area of development, that's north of I, guess I'm, not sure if it's still warm springs at that point, but the road that stretches out of is basically the Divine line. Actually I.

E

Guess it's an hour sprays, because it's Parks nearly come to warm spring again, but whatever it is, I guess it's Barber right Barbara is the kind of the divining line right, and so it's making clear that it's the things Harris North Harris East, and if there were to be anything else in that other area there well.

B

Maybe it would be, it would make sense to do it by a geographic boundary or like a a road or a anything east of x.

E

Yeah I think it might I mean it honestly might be as simple as calling it north of Barber.

A

Correct in any anything, perhaps east, of whatever the access road is, that goes into Harris North. There should development happen in between the two pink in that little wedge. Basically, that's what we're talking about is anything in that little pink between the two pink lines. Well,.

B

So, but what about north of um all of that stuff on the left? Oh.

E

Where's the device it does continue over. However, you know trying to remember the name of uh what's the name of the development. That's right before you right where Warm Springs turns South, and then it becomes Barber, Warm Springs Mesa. It's not always sad for that. So it's not it's not the new stuff adjacent to the Miss. It's the stuff! That's just probably 50 feet, Privada! That's it! That's! It.

A

Once they're going in just to the east of there, so.

E

That already is, if you expanded the map, that already is the southeast planting area. Okay,.

B

So when you looked at it, it's.

E

Just this little weird bit here where it's you know, falls into the arguably incorrect spot, yeah.

B

B

Makes sense to me.

A

All right, I think we need a recommendation to approve.

D

Excuse me sorry, Tony, so are we not approving this, but are we trying to come back and say we want a different definition of what the boundary is. I.

A

Think we're ready to approve, with the caveat that it's our recommendation to council clear up that boundary point I mean that that would be my suggestion since we can hand this to council and say yes, it is a good idea for Harris North and any adjoining development to for those funds to go into the southeast in America and.

E

This is my: the planetary boundary is not done by a GIS expert.

A

E

But I think what we do contemplate writers draw that kind of a diagonal that goes from the upper left hand corner of the of the Red Box kind of to the diagonally that connects the where the pink lines are. Basically, it should be. I can demonstrate to the people in here. Okay and I know that that's not perfect. Here's the mouse traps.

E

So we basically say draw a line here and just take anything down here what what what whether we call it Harris North heresies, whatever it's called, that's just going to be credited to the southeast and then that way it made clear that the ambiguity about it. Well, it's not typically Harris North, but it's also development, that's immediately adjacent to that and other Southeast, and then we're back here. You know not that long I mean from a a compass perspective and the nice thing is.

E

It doesn't change the growth assumptions, because there's Compass doesn't have growth out there. It's just the 222 people that effectively are already there. It's just. You know the fact that their Snapchat was now a year and a half ago, almost two years, um so it doesn't change any of the assumptions any of the math anything like that, so the fees aren't what the fees will be. It just will clarify where we're going to be drawing that dividing line.

C

I have a question if I might um so, just basically what, where you have on the map there, it says River North right below there, you've got Pheasant, Lane and um Lane. Those are two little developments that aren't owned by the Harris company, but basically still benefit from the development down in that area and they're right off of Harris, Ranch, Road um and right just to the um west of East Warm Springs Avenue is the little spur comes down.

C

um Can we capture those as well I, don't know if they're fully built out yet.

E

That area, because if, if you scroll this, the screenshot, that's up there to the left, where that area is and provide us already in the southeast.

C

E

Adjustments once you start getting elevation.

F

E

North, you start going into the other part.

C

Oh gotcha, gotcha, okay, so.

B

Can you tell us specifically what you want us to.

E

Yes, so the the the recommendation.

E

I wasn't here when we set the park planning areas, so I think the the recommendation that we're looking for is that doesn't make sense to attribute the fees collected again in that area. That I in our fully tried to draw out on the map. But it's it's for current purposes.

E

It is Harris North right, but it's also that development that's to be south and east of there um is it change the attribution on that to Southeast, and then you know if you change the attributions and then the two things that are laid out in the memo follow that the population shifts fund balance doesn't have to shift, but we feel it's appropriate to shift it, and so, as a result, these are the new fees, so we'd actually have to have a public hearing, uh because it's so greater than five percent fee change, so there'll be a public hearing.

E

All this I don't expect it to be nearly the event that the last one was. But the recommendation is just again where kind of attribution population shift, fee change or fund balance and then fee change. Okay,.

B

So the motion would be.

B

um Oops that we.

B

We move to attribute the fees from parents floors right and that other development, as it develops from North River to Southeast and with the accompanying population shift and fee changes. Correct. Okay, I moved that so.

A

Moved do we have a second.

C

All second, though,.

A

Moved and seconded any discussion.

F

Tony this is Dave jorgeson. Can you hear me? Okay, hey.

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F

E

To see you, thanks for joining.

F

Sure just came in late, uh sorry for being late, couldn't get up by the meeting until now and I support. All the discussion just wanted for the record know that I'm here great.

A

A

Motion passes having no new business I would look for a motion to a journey Dave. You can make a motion today.

A

F

If you like I'll, do it I'll move during the meeting? Thank you. I.

E

Guess actually- and this is not I'll- have a formal item for it um next time, but one thing that um we did not do and we adjusted the the annual fees the 13.1 is. We didn't look at what that means for fiscal year, 23 projects so, for example, a fire engine, Fire, Station, Park planning areas or just a couple that I know that I know are going to be over budget so where it probably makes sense to the extent um we all agree to increase the revenue budget.

E

From my perspective, the impact fee budget that by that 13.1 percent, so that the the dollars made are consistent, phenomenal dollars. Excuse me, the real dollars are consistent with what we had in the plan. Just the nominal dollars have to be inflated by that 13, so I'm, not asking for anything recommendations or approvals, or anything like that, but just over the next month or two that'll probably be the next thing that I want to discuss is again for those. It's really for those three activities that we know our budget.

E

You know just to give you some perspective uh when we ordered the fire engines. Everything was up, 20-ish percent, so you know even the 13.1 isn't gonna isn't going to cover it. Not construction costs are up even more so we're.

A

Thank you, um Dave. Your motion still stands.

F

Awesome soccer.

A

All in favor say.