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A
A
We
have
an
agenda,
that's
been
posted
and
provided
to
us,
so
the
meeting's
been
called
order.
Next
items
of
business
is
new
business
first
item,
2a
is
minutes
and
so
I'll
ask
if
the
committee's
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes
and
if
so
any
discussion,
if
not
I'll,
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
A
My
only
comment
is
thanks
staff
for
including
the
reports
from
both
police
and
fire-
that's
nice
to
have
that
in
the
minutes.
We
appreciate
that.
Having
said
that,
all
in
favor
of
the
motion
say:
aye
aye,
aye,
aye,
any
opposed,
say,
nay.
A
Hearing
none
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Next
item
on
the
agenda
is
draft
kaplan
improvements
plans
and
I'm
going
to
make
a
hunch
or
a
bet
that
we
have
a
visitor
with
us
and
wes
scott.
Who
might
be
your
turn,
but
before
I
go
there
jennifer
did
you
want
to
do
any
introductions
or
anything
you
want
to
say
before
ann's
turn.
E
I
am
assuming
that
you
are
all
looking
at
your
packets.
I
think
page
23
of
your
packet
is
where
the
cip
start
the
last
couple
of
times
that
we've
met
with
you,
we've
had
the
department
heads
chiefly
with
the
police
department,
chief
nehemiah
with
fire
and
then
jennifer
with
parks.
E
Talking
to
you
about
level
of
service,
you
know,
obviously
that's
where
the
impact
fee
calculations
start
is
what
it
will
take
to
continue
the
current
level
of
service
so
as
you've
been
being
exposed
to
kind
of
these
philosophical
directions,
given
really
good
feedback
about
that,
we've
now
moved
on
to
articulating
what
needs
to
be
built
or
bought
in
order
to
accommodate
the
capital
needs
demanded
by
growth.
E
E
He
also
has
some
plans
for
increasing
the
level
of
service,
and
I
know
that
the
city
council
is
considering
adding
14
sworn
ftes
in
this
budget
year,
so
they'll
be
moving
toward
accommodating
growth
and
also
improving
their
level
of
service
over
this
time.
E
E
We
know
that
currently,
the
amount
of
square
footage
per
officer
is
about
250
square
feet,
so
for
that
51
and
growth
related
officers
we'll
need
over
12
000
square
feet
to
accommodate
them
and
for
the
additional
38
officers,
almost
10
000
and
broken
these
out
on
two
different
lines,
because,
as
you
know,
we
can
only
use
impact
fees
for
the
growth
related
officers.
E
E
Then
the
city
is
in
the
middle
of
a
pretty
comprehensive
planning
process
for
all
of
the
different
logistics
facilities,
fleet,
maintenance,
etc.
All
of
the
shops
within
the
city
primarily
to
make
sure
that
we're
utilizing
the
land
that
the
city
currently
owns
at
its
highest
and
best
use.
So
they
also
have
a
lot
of
deficient
properties
around
the
city
for
different
departments
and
property,
and
evidence
is
one
example
with
the
police
department.
But
for
one
thing
it
leaks
on
evidence.
That's
not
good.
E
Apparently
they
don't
have
enough
space
to
actually
put
all
of
the
evidence
that
they
currently
have.
So
they
are
in
the
process
of
identifying
a
new
property
and
evidence
expansion,
relocation.
E
So
this
20
of
it
that's
growth
related
is
they
will
be
making
that
facility
larger
partially,
because
it's
already
too
small
but
larger
still
for
growth,
that
20
growth
portion
aligns
with
the
20
10-year
growth
rate
that
we've
projected
then
in
boise
the
police
cars
do
not
stay
in
service
for
10
years,
so
we
will
not
be
including
those
in
the
cip
but
mobile
radios
for
those
growth
related
office
officers,
yes,
and
then
an
additional
mobile
command
unit
being
able
to
address
particularly
more
comprehensive
calls
for
service
with
those
types
of
vehicles,
so
out
of
almost
18
million
cip.
E
The
current
fund
balance
in
police
is
currently
a
negative.
We
don't
always
see
that,
but
we
know
that
we're
we're
paying
off
some
some
other
things.
It
brings
it
to
an
18.8
million
dollar,
cip,
of
which
9.8
million
is
impactfully
eligible.
E
I
know
that
the
chief
is
with
us
today.
Do
you
have
any
questions
about?
We
did
not
identify
specifically
where
this
space
might
be.
It's
a
little
preliminary,
a
little
too
early
to
do
that.
I
know
that
there
are
some
options
for
them
to
do
phase
two
of
the
downtown,
develop
the
downtown
police
district
and
then
there's
always
some
continued
conversation
about
if
the
growth,
if
there's
a
lot
of
growth
in
southeast
that
that
might
be
an
appropriate
place
as
well.
E
In
the
interim,
I
know
the
police
department
has
been
discussing
how
they
might
co-locate
some
of
or
redeploy
some
of
their
current
officers
into
police
stations,
especially
as
these
new
ones
are
built.
So
any
questions.
A
And
thanks
for
the
presentation
before
we
go
to
questions,
I
just
do
want
to
give
the
chief
chief
lee
not
any
questions
yet,
but
you
have
any
statements
or
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
Chief.
F
The
only
thing
I
I
would
like
to
clarify
is
that
the
there's
actually
16
fte
added
to
the
budget,
I
think
and
might
have
got
a
dated
version
of
the
potential
budget
proposal
at
14..
F
F
The
I
mean
right
now,
we're
going
through
generational
retirement,
the
most
recent
officer
per
thousand
ratio
for
the
city,
we've
we're
now
at
a
point:
we've
diminished
a
point
of
1.26,
so
it
was,
I
think,
when
ann
captured
the
data
for
her
presentation
we're
at
1.4,
but
that
number
is
because
the
level
of
service
we
had
when
we
went
into
this
versus
the
level
of
service
we're
delivering,
because
people
are
leaving
faster
than
we
can
get
them
aboard,
so
just
something
to
think
about
in
case
some
of
those
numbers.
F
E
And
I
should
clarify
that
the
methodology
that
we
use
in
the
industry
is
the
number
of
authorized
ftes
the
fact
that
they
have
a
bunch
of
retirements
and
they're
not
actually
at
their
full
force.
They
do
have
budget,
though,
for
that
many
officers.
So
we
get
to
consider
that
their
level
of
service-
and
we
know
that
they're
rapidly,
trying
to
fill
those
those
places.
A
B
F
We
did
relative
to
projected
initially
pandemic
concerns.
There
was
about
a
half
million
dollar
reduction
in
our
budget,
the
only
way
to
actualize
that
was
through
programmatic,
eliminations
and
reassignment
of
that
work
to
other
personnel.
It
resulted
in
non-sworn
membership,
but
professional,
staffs
or
civilian
staff.
We
were
able
to
reassign
workload
to
other
people
in
the
department
it's
less
than
optimal,
but
it
wound
up
being
three
fte,
either
assuming
other
work
that
was
open,
but
essentially
elimination
of
those
positions
in
this
last
year
and
then
with
growth
in
this
year.
B
A
C
Yes,
thank
you
dave.
Thank
you,
anne
thank
you.
Chief
lee
will
chiefly
based
off
of
the
three
staff
that
will
be
reduced.
Will
that
change
the
total
level
of
service?
Maybe
that's
the
question
for
anne.
Will
that
38
numbers
stay
the
same
or
does
that
get
modified.
E
A
E
Speak
to
that
question
that
any
amount
over
the
51
for
growth
is
really
a
conversation
that
mayor
and
council
will
have
with
the
chief
about
what
they're
able
to
fund,
because
it's
not
germane
to
how
we
will
calculate
the
impact
phase.
That's
just
a
number
based
on
what
the
chief
has
said.
He
would
like
to
see
in
order
to
get
the
level
of
service
where
he
believes
it
needs
to
be
for
our
city
that
was
close
to
a
hundred.
Then
you
take
off
the
14
there's
the
net
three.
E
I
try
not
to
overwhelm
you
with
the
magic
of
employment,
staffing
within
the
city
of
boise,
but
the
51
is
the
number
that
we're
really
focusing
on
is
being
impactfully
eligible,
whether
you
know
the
city
has
looked
at
their
budget
and
assured
me
that,
yes,
they
definitely
know
they
can
fund
that
51
for
growth.
All
things
considered
being
equal
as
we
go
through
the
10
years
and
the
chief
and
the
council
and
the
mayor
will
be
talking
about
how
they'll
fund
the
additional
for
that
level
of
service.
C
Thank
you
and
follow-up
to
that
is
on
the
mobile
command
center.
I
was
just
wondering
at
least
during
my
time
with
the
fire
department.
I
know
we
had
an
all
hazard
incident
command
center.
I
was,
and
I
believe,
police
used,
garden
city
or
ada
county
mobile
command
center
is
this
command
center
solely
for
boise
police
is
that
is
that
correct?
That
is
a
boise
police
that
that
will
take
the
burden
off
of
having
to
use
other
local
command
centers.
F
The
the
short
answer
is
yes,
the
slightly
longer
answer
is
that
it
also
puts
us
in
line
with
national
best
practices,
because
we
do
not
have
adequate
facilities
for
mobile
for
a
significant
event.
Like
say,
a
swat
team
call
where
you've
got
crisis,
make
sure
negotiators
swat
teams
all
of
those
elements.
We
don't
actually
have
a
command
post
that
can
meet
the
needs
for
what
we
need
to
do
to
ensure
we're
with
industry
standard
awesome.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
dave
michael
you're,
welcome
I'll
look
to
the
group.
That's
there,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
in
person.
I
would
have
accepted
another
conflict.
I
had
so
looks
like
tony's
got
his
hand
raised
tony.
G
E
The
methodology
is
to
admit
that
I
am
not
that
brilliant
to
know
what
is
going
to
happen
to
the
market
over
the,
and
that
pains
me
to
have
to
say
over
the
next
10
years.
My
philosophy
always
is
that
we
use
everything
in
today's
dollars
and
we
encourage
the
city
and
the
city
has
been
kind
of
sharpening
their
practice
of
using
the
construction
price
index
every
year
to
automatically
adjust
these
fees
to
meet
markets.
E
So
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
if
that
methodology
had
gone
on,
those
fees
would
have,
you
know,
increased
a
couple
of
dollars
every
year,
instead
of
there
being
a
kind
of
huge
reconciliation
every
five
years.
So
that's
something
that
I've
discussed
with
finance
staff.
We
use
the
best
dollars.
We
have
for
current
purchase
price
of
that
command
unit
and
as
that,
as
that
price
goes
up,
we'll
adjust
and
that
will
really
be
a
critical
part
of
your
committee.
E
A
Yeah,
I
know
you're
welcome
man.
I
appreciate
the
answer
because
that's
something
that
has
not
been
done
historically,
especially
if
you
go
back
seven
ten
years
ago.
More
recently,
that's
been
a
discussion,
especially
last
year
or
two
here
at
the
city
boise.
So
thank
you.
Anybody
else
there
in
the
room
with
tony
that
has
any
further
questions
for
please
the
police
impact
fee
or
jill
okay.
If
no
other
questions
pausing,
okay,
thanks
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
one,
we'll.
E
Go
to
page
24,
which
is
your
fire
capital
improvement
plan.
This
you
know
fire
is
always
sort
of
a
moving
target
as
well.
We
depend
on
where
we
believe
the
growth
is
going
to
go.
We
have
talked
for
a
while
about
the
northwest
station.
I
think
you
are
aware
that
it
had
some
difficulties
finding
parcels
of
land
that
meet
their
deployment
needs
and
also
meet
the
expectations
of
the
public,
so
the
northwest
station-
I'm
sorry,
it
says,
partially
growth
related.
That
is
an
error.
E
It's
entirely
growth
related.
The
northwest
station
is
the
first
one
that
will
need
to
go
in.
That,
obviously,
is
serving
quite
a
lot
of
that
that
northwest
area
that's
been
relying
in
in
some
cases
on
on
maybe
neck
fur
and
the
north
ada
fire
and
rescue
and
eagle
to
provide
mutual
aid
because
there's
just
sort
of
a
hole
out
there
and
then
knowing
that
a
lot
of
the
growth
will
be
in
the
southwest.
The
second
station
that
they're
planning
is
in
the
southwest
still
in
an
undetermined
location.
E
That
seven
million
dollars
has
to
do
with
is
is
the
current
rate
of
what
it
costs
to
build.
The
station
today
I
usually
go
to
other
agencies
in
the
area
for
whomever
has
built
the
most
recent
fire
station
and
it
was
niemeyer
in
his
last
place
of
employment,
set
the
pace
with
that
number.
So
then,
obviously
you
can't
add
station.
Oh,
I
should
go
back.
E
We
originally
had
a
second
south
station
for
growth,
more
south
of
the
airport
kind
of
area
that
putting
that
third
station
on
the
cip,
while
it
may
be
necessary
for
growth,
will
make
the
impact
fees
significantly
higher
and
the
chief
and
I
kind
of
talked
about
this
a
couple
times
and
decided
that
it
might
be
best
to
defer
the
south
station
into
the
next
10-year
period,
knowing
that,
if
we
do
actually
continue
to
grow,
you
know
past
this.
Two
percent
projected
or
the
growth
really
moves
more
into
that
south
area.
E
That
could
be
something
that
you
all
could
choose
to
put
back
on
this
10-year
plan.
Obviously,
if
you
were
growing
faster
than
we've
projected,
we
can
put
another
station
on
the
cip
without
such
a
significant
increase
in
impact
fees,
but
for
the
two
stations
that
we've
included
a
ladder
truck
being
needed
for
the
southwest
area.
Two
engines
for
the
two
stations
they'll
need
to
be
expanding
their
inspectors
to
staff
the
additional
demand
from
growth,
so
those
are
just
their
two
inspector
vehicles
and
then
a
quick
response
vehicle
for
downtown
growth.
E
Then
you'll
see
the
logistics
facility,
you're,
probably
familiar
with
the
fire
training
center
down
on
shoreline
sitting
on
a
very
valuable
property
and
very
useful
property
to
the
city
for
probably
other
needs.
It
also
is
an
inadequate
space.
I've
I've
done
some
auditing
in
there
in
their
fleet
inventory
room,
and
it
is
terrifying,
so
they
they
have
been
planning
for
quite
some
time
to
do
a
relocation
and
that
logistics
facility,
those
the
square
footage,
came
from
the
engineering
department
as
they
are
in
in
the
middle
of
their
master
planning
for
this
facility.
E
That's
5.5
million
dollars
for
the
fire
department.
35
percent
relates
to
the
actual
number
of
square
footage
that
will
need
to
be
added
in
order
to
accommodate
the
additional
units.
So
a
lot
of
truck
two
engines
and
more
inspector
vehicles
plus
the
quick
response
vehicle
logistics
is
where
they
take
those
vehicles
to
do
repairs
so
we're
adding
more
units
that
need
more
space,
and
that's
where
that
35
percent
growth
comes
from.
There's
a
pretty
good
size
fund
balance
in
the
fire
department.
E
H
No,
I
would
just
thank
ann.
She
and
I
have
done
a
lot
of
work
together
over
the
years.
I
think
she
laid
out
our
needs
very
well
over
the
next
10
years
and,
like
she
mentioned
it's
going
to
be
fluid
no
different
than
the
police
department
to
see
where
growth
does
go
over
the
next
10
years,
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
on
the
south
station.
H
We
did
have
a
great
conversation.
We
want
to
be
very
mindful
of
impact
fees
and
what
we're
putting
on
the
development
community
and
not
over
extending
what
we
think
we
can
do
over
the
next
10
years,
but
certainly
if
growth
continues
the
way
we
think
it
might
outside
of
some
of
the
projections
that
second
station
in
the
south
certainly
could
come
to
a
conversation
at
some
point
over
the
next
10
years.
But
for
now
I
think
the
way
we've
laid
it
out
is
a
very
responsible
way
to
lay
it
out.
A
Thanks
chief
before
I
go
to
questions,
I
did
have
one
question
just
to
understand
the
total
process,
unlike
police,
where,
though
police
does
maybe
work
with
adjoining
cities,
in
your
case,
you
work
with,
say
whitney
fire
or
other
fire
districts.
So
how
does
this
come
into
play
where
the
needs
of
the
fire
stations
are
realizing?
There's
other
fire
stations
with
other
fire
districts.
H
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
I
appreciate
you
asking
because
back
in
the
day
I
talk
about
the
old
school
fire
chiefs.
They
didn't
really
care
where
they
built
fire
stations.
So
literally,
if
you
look
across
this
valley,
you
will
see
fire
stations
on
borders
of
jurisdictions
and
then
there
becomes
fights
over
who's
responding
and
who,
whose
turf
it
is
and
whose
territory
is.
I
will
tell
you
across
the
treasure
valley,
right
now,
at
the
chief
ranks
we
have
global
discussions
about
kind
of
master
planning
the
future.
So
where
are
you
putting
stations?
H
Where
am
I
putting
stations?
We
coordinate
that,
for
example,
chief
lewis
and
I
and
eagle
are
talking
about
as
we
look
to
build
a
northwest
station.
We've
already
examined
the
distance,
the
station
42
and
then
his
potential
move
to
move
42
further
north
and
making
sure
those
are
spaced
out
enough
that
when
it
comes
to
the
mutual
aid
and
automatic
aid
dave
that
you
were
just
referencing,
we've
got
good
spacing
to
the
benefit.
You
know
we
try
and
think
of
it
in
fire
as
the
whole
community.
H
Even
though
we're
responsible
to
the
citizens
of
boise,
we
understand,
we
put,
we
play
a
part
as
a
larger
community
of
response,
so
we
try
and
coordinate
that
together.
So
when
we
look
at
the
need,
even
in
like
in
the
southwest,
I
happen
to
know
a
little
bit
about
what
meridian's
doing
as
far
as
growth
out
there.
But
if
I
didn't,
I
would
have
been
reaching
out
to
chief
bloom,
saying:
okay,
where
are
you
planning
a
station?
H
A
H
We
do
yep
so
pretty
much
when
we
look
at
station
build-outs,
we
look
at
volume.
We
look
at
rooftops,
bring
all
those
data
points
in
and
then
we
say
now:
where
do
we
need
to
put
it
to
meet
a
five-minute
travel
time
and
or
a
12-minute
total
response
time
with
all
the
units
coming?
So
we
we
have
a
great
person
here
in
the
fire
department,
emily
dixon
that
does
all
of
our
data
management,
data
collection,
data,
analysis
and
she's
really
good
at
what
she
does.
So
we
lean.
A
A
C
Thank
you,
ann
and
thank
you,
chief
niemeyer
dave
to
your
initial
point.
I
think
you
can
look
to
station
14
and
station
four
their
station
14
for
boise
station
four
for
meridian
they're
really
close.
They
provide
a
lot
of
overlap
back
to
your
original
question,
and
so
I
think,
getting
away
from
that
and
the
conversations
that
chief's,
having
will
only
further
help,
make
sure
that
they're
good
cushion
between
boundaries.
C
My
question
was
regarding
the
knack
for
fire
stations:
that's
the
oh
sorry,
pull
up!
I
only
have
one
screen.
I
apologize
the
north
yeah
I'm
trying
to
do
my
best
to
multitask,
which
is
a
big
struggle.
The
northwest
station,
as
it's
listed
in
the
cip,
is
that
for
station
16,
or
is
that
in
regards
to
like
it
will
station
18
ever
be
fully
staffed
again?
Is
that
a
or
is
it
being
staffed
currently?
H
Yeah
great
great
question,
michael,
and
I
appreciate
it-
had
a
lot
of
really
good
conversations
lately
with
the
north
ada
county
fire
and
rescue
commissioners
on
the
future,
trying
to
coordinate
master
planning
together
so
right
now.
Station
16
is
on
glenwood.
H
That
station
is
not
closing
not
going
away
unless
that
whole
fairground
sale,
and
you
know
that
we
hear
about
all
the
time
goes
through,
but
I
think
that's
a
ways
away.
As
I
looked
at
where
station
16
is
knowing
that's
going
to
stay
in
service
for
a
while
and
then
look
at
gary
lane,
where
we
are
initially
talking
about
a
station
site,
it
didn't
make
any
sense
whatsoever.
H
It's
in
close
proximity
to
one
another
kind
of
where
we're
just
talking
about
border
departments
and
doing
it
the
right
way
so
for
the
betterment
of
the
community,
especially
for
the
city
of
boise.
Moving
off
that
gary
lane
site
was
really
important.
Getting
a
little
bit
more
further
to
the
west
was
important
as
far
as
our
coverage
goes
to
being
able
to
to
meet
that
five
minute.
Travel
time
standard
that
you
know
dave
just
asked
me
about.
H
So
that's
the
plan
there
with
the
northwest
station
and
the
knack
for
station
number
16
on
glenwood
station
18.
Do
we
want
to
get
that
open
collectively
between
the
two
of
us,
absolutely
that
serves
a
large
gap
down
there
in
the
core
of
garden
city?
H
What
I
have
to
remind
everybody
of
is,
I
have
a
request
of
needs
this
long
and
I
have
to
prioritize
those
needs
right,
and
so
it's
a
matter
of
when,
knowing
that
the
northwest
is
a
priority,
the
growth
in
the
south
and
southwest
with
the
not
only
residential
rooftops,
but
with
the
industrial
commercial
coming
in
that
we
know
about
and
that
we've
heard
about
it's
all
a
balancing
act.
But
yes,
we
want
to
get
that
open,
yeah,
awesome.
C
And
then
follow-up
question
for
station
five.
Will
there
be
two
additional
firefighters
for
the
mobile
unit
or
will
that
be
hey?
We're
not
going
to
take
the
engine
out
and
I'm
going
to
take
a
captain
and
a
driver
or
something
like
that?
Instead
on
a
call,
so
will
it
take
an
engine
out
of
service
or
will
we
add
staffing
to
fire
station
five
and
if
we
are,
can
the
fire
station
handle
the
additional
occupants
yup.
H
H
I've
got
a
lot
a
lot
of
ideas
in
my
head
that
I've
shared
with
city
leadership,
on
that
the
station
will
be
able
to
accommodate
that
as
we
are
rebuilding
that
station,
it's
going
to
have
enough
bedrooms
to
accommodate
all
that.
The
reality
is
that's
the
busiest
firehouse
in
the
state
of
idaho
and
most
of
the
time,
the
old
traditional
way
in
the
fire
service
was
when
you
had
that
need,
and
your
call
volume
exceeded
your
capacity
you
just
simply
put
on
yet
another
fire
engine
yeah.
H
We
know
we
can
do
things
differently
now,
so
that
two-person
squad
is
also
going
to
be
our
proof
of
concept,
because
I
do
believe
the
chief.
We
will
need
another
one
at
some
point
at
station,
one
for
those
of
you,
unfamiliar
fire
station.
One
on
reserve
not
only
has
an
engine
response
out
of
that
station.
We
have
technical
rescue
response
to
the
foothills
out
of
that
station,
so
they're
riding
motorcycles.
H
We
have
a
river
rescue
out
of
that
station
and
dive
team
out
of
that
station,
so
they
house
all
of
our
boats.
I
was
just
out
on
the
river
two
days
ago
with
our
team
understanding
that
the
challenges
they
face,
along
with
some
other
call
types
that
they
have
to
respond
to.
So
that's
another
station
that
capacity
and
call
volume
are
not
aligning.
How
do
we
do
that?
C
No,
I
think
great
I've
long
been
a
believer
that
when
you
have
a
fire
crew,
that's
out
on
the
river,
it
is
they're
essentially
out
of
service
for
any
other
calls,
and
so
having
a
qr
v
in
that
area
would
be
wonderful.
Thank
you
both
for
feedback
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Dave.
A
I
Just
to
clarify
one
thing
on
the
cost
for
the
stations
we're
still
revising
those
estimates,
just
as
we've
all
mentioned,
like
there's,
potentially
land
costs
in
northwest
station,
other
things
like
that
that
you
know
could
increase
the
cost.
Just
if
you
ever
want
a
ballpark,
you
know
we're
thinking
that
it
could
be
10.5
to
11.5
for
the
northwest
station,
depending
on
where
the
land
source
out
and
exactly
what
the
schematic
looks
like
for
that
station.
A
I
I
A
Love
my
fire
chief.
I
won't
tell
them
how
gold-plated
I
think
all
of
his
stuff
is.
But
having
said
that,
I
I
understand
the
numbers
are
plummery
yeah,
okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
fire.
B
Corbin
yep
just
being
on
a
recent
topic
of
annexation
at
southwest.
Is
it
a
lot
easier
to
get
a
fire
station
that
in
the
southwest,
if
they're
annexed,
if
they
don't
be
in
if
they're,
not
in
the
next
10
years?
Is
that
gonna
be
a
problem
to
get
something
out
there
or
how's
that
going
to
work,
because.
H
The
question
right
my
answer
from
a
fire
chief's
perspective
is
I
I
don't
know
that
it
matters
and,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
I
think,
we've
built
up
a
pretty
good
relationship
with
most
of
the
developers
in
the
valley,
and
so
I
think,
as
they
look
to
annex
and
large
projects
are
coming
in,
we
have
some
really
early
conversations
about
our
needs
and
we're
able
to
navigate
those
waters
pretty
well.
H
C
H
That
answers
your
question.
I
think
I
understood
it
so
if
not
certainly
spin
that
question
back
to
me
and
I'll
I'll.
A
No,
but
a
piggyback
that
the
question
might
be
that's
where
I
was
going
with
the
overlaps
of
the
fire
districts
whitney's
on
that
area,
I
believe
yeah
and
how
much
outside
of
the
city
of
boise
without
fire
station
service,
and
yet
it's
if
it's
in
the
area
of
impact,
then
maybe
they're
collecting
a
fire
impact
fee
through
the
county
permits
and
there's
a
lot
of
questions
that
could
be
raised
there.
That
I
don't
think
I
have
answers
to
and
ann
probably
doesn't
either,
but
but
it's
a
percentage
not
not
is
this?
A
E
Obviously,
if
those
plans
change,
if
she's
neymar
believes
that
there
does
need
to
be
a
station,
they
already
have
agreements
in
place
with
the
whitney
in
the
same
way
that
they
did
you
with
knack
for
and
whitney
would
then
be
highly
encouraged
to
start
collecting
their
own
impact
fees.
It's
really
important
for
me
to
make
sure
that
there's
equity
by
those
being
served.
E
It
can
either
happen
that
the
whitney
could
decide
not
to
collect
impact
fees
but
pay
the
city
of
boise
for
their
portion
of
the
station
just
out
of
their
property
tax
revenues.
It
would
be
probably
smarter
for
them
to
have
the
county
collect
impact
fees,
but
that
does
become
relevant.
It's
an
excellent
point.
This
will
be
one
of
those
places
that
we
would
need
to
update,
and-
and
I
would
echo
travis
is
correct-
these
the
dollar
amounts
are
not
are
not
set.
Yet
it's
more
of
the
projects.
A
I
don't
see
or
hear
any
so,
oh
jill,
do
you
have
a
question
you're
on
screen?
Lunch
must
be
done.
Okay
and
you
can
move
on
next
item.
E
Yeah,
you
know
several
members
have
mentioned
an
important
point.
I
should
clarify
at
this
point
in
this
planning
process.
E
I
am
assuming
no
annexation
other
than
you
know
the
little
parts
that
we
know
of
right
now
that
if
there
is
annex,
if
there's
a
decision
on
annexation,
it
will
vastly
change
not
only
who
participates
in
the
impact
fees,
but
what
projects
we
have
so
for
today,
I'm
not
seeing
those
borders
change
and
I'm
assuming
that
we
are
building
things
for
residents
of
the
city
of
boise
and
that
they
will
new
growth
will
be
paying
and
residents
of
the
city
will
be
paying
to
maintain
and
operate
those
facilities.
E
So
this
cip
is
probably
going
to
look
very
different
than
the
ones
that
we've
seen
over
the
last
15
years
from
parks.
I'll
start
by
saying,
the
current
level
of
service
for
the
city
of
boise,
including
their
open
space,
is
24.2
acres
per
thousand,
which
is
phenomenal
throughout
the
intermountain
and
western
states.
E
That
would
make
877
acres
impact
fee
eligible
going
forward.
Would
we
want
to
charge
enough
to
be
able
to
fund
the
full
development
of
877
acres?
Probably
not.
Is
there
land
to
put
in
877
acres,
probably
not
does
jennifer
foresee
the
ability
to
maintain
that
many
new
acres,
probably
not
so
that
really
reinforces
the
parks
department's
shift
in
philosophy
around
where
they're
gonna
focus
development
you'll
see
in
the
top
section
new
park,
acreage
or
development.
E
Some
of
these
parks-
the
city
already
owns,
but
is
now
going,
has
planned
to
develop
within
the
next
10
years.
In
some
cases
it
will
be
where
you
see
the
micro
park.
The
two
micro
parks
are
not
determined,
it
would
be
land
that
would
need
to
be
acquired
and
developed.
E
So
you
can
see
a
much
smarter,
smaller
number
of
land
acquisition
there
in
terms
of
acres,
but
then,
as
you
go
on
to
the
next
section
park,
amenities,
new
or
expanded
for
growth,
any
improvements
that
are
slated
for
existing
parks
that
are
just
improving
the
level
of
service
or
taking
care
of
something
old
are
not
even
on
the
cip
that
will
be
handled
through
the
city's
maintenance
and
and
repair
programs.
So
we're
not
even
gonna
complicate
things
here
with
that
so
you're
seeing
veterans,
franklin,
sunset
park,
etc.
E
So
these
are
the
continued
execution
of
the
master
plan
that
was
related
and
these
parks
have
been
on
there
for
quite
some
time
and
they
are
just
phasing
through
the
final
growth
improvements
there.
So
those
are
not
requiring
acquisition
of
land.
Those
are
development
costs,
there's
a
section
on
park
connectivity
for
growth.
I
know
that
jennifer
talked
to
you
about
the
importance
to
the
department
of
making
sure
that
we
are
really
talking
about
that.
E
I
can't
remember
if
it's
a
10-minute
city
or
a
15-minute
city,
but
some
amount
of
minutes
that
you're
supposed
to
be
able
to
get
to
apart
and
a
lot
of
the
challenge
to
that.
Is
that
there's
not
adequate
accessibility,
so
you
will
see
in
every
year
she
has
planned
for
the
about
a
half,
a
million
dollars
of
acquisition.
You
see
it's
kind
of
shaded
right
there.
We
haven't
yet
determined,
really
how
much
acres
that
might
be,
but
that
will
be
in
your
next
draft.
So
this
will
be
probably
more
linear
parks.
E
These
might
be
pathways.
These
are
ways
that
are
going
to
create
more
connectivity
and
accessibility
to
the
existing
park
system
and
then
in
trails
and
open
space
for
growth.
There's
a
little
project
on
connectivity.
That's
already
slated
into
this
upcoming
budget
year.
There
are
some
opportunities
for
construction
within
the
existing
reserves
that
the
city
has
in
its
open
space
inventory
to
allow
for
a
population
increase,
those
can
be
trail,
heads
or
parking
lots,
etc.
E
E
The
connection
in
barber
valley,
a
large
project,
the
eckerd
underpass
through
alta
harris
park
jennifer
can
give
more
specificity
there,
but
that's
timed
with
some
improvements
that
achd
will
be
making
to
the
roadway
system
and
under
recreational
facilities.
I
told
you
I
didn't
have
stuff
on
here
that
wasn't
growth
related,
but
pools
are
always
a
big
conversation,
so
put
the
pools
on
there
just
to
show
that
yeah
they're
going
to
do
something
with
those
pools
and
it's
not
impactfully
eligible.
E
Obviously,
if
they
were
to
do
one
of
those
pools,
you
know
years
ago,
their
idea
was
to
rebuild
south
pool
at
the
new
whitney
school
and
that
would
have
been
a
much
larger
pool.
It
would
have
been
partially
growth
related
rebuilding
on
the
law
or
south
footprint
does
not
allow
for
additional
capacity,
so
those
are
on
there
just
to
have
us
remember
that
things
might
change
as
decisions
are
made,
but
they
are
not
included
in
the
impact
fees.
E
At
this
point,
the
port
facilities
again
they
are
trying
to
kind
of
condense
and
and
and
provide
more
efficiency
in
their
support
facilities.
All
of
the
maintenance
facilities
not
not
necessarily
always
condensed,
but
make
sure
that
they
are
in
the
proper
places
to
serve
the
expanding
inventory
of
parks
that
we
have
and
20
percent
of
that
project
again
based
on
square
footage.
That's
additional
for
growth
is
eligible
and
then
they're
still
kind
of
articulating
how
many
additional
mowers
etc.
E
At
this
point,
only
adding
75
acres
it'll
be
more
when
we
add
in
some
of
those
grayed
out
places
minus
the
three
million
dollar
fund
balance:
56.5
million
dollar
cip,
36.5
million
of
it
being
impactfully
eligible.
A
Thanks
and
there
is
a
good
question:
jennifer
do
you
want
to
add
anything
or
anybody
else
with
parks,
that's
in
the
room.
D
I
just
I
want
to
add
one
thing.
I
unfortunately
have
a
one
o'clock
meeting
that
I
cannot
get
out
of
so
I
have
about
five
minutes.
If
you
guys
do
have
questions
for
me,
if
you
have
other
ones,
I'd
be
happy
to
come
back
next
time
or
you
could
always
email
me
those
and
then
I
could
get
the
answers
out
to
the
committee
kind
of
over
the
next
month
or
so
appreciate.
D
No,
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
tonight.
A
Nice
job,
thank
you.
I
will
not
be
a
bully
and
hold
all
my
questions.
I'll
share
to
the
group
first
so
hands
up.
Let's
see,
jill's
got
one
so
jill's.
First.
J
So,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
talk
about
this.
I
don't
even
know
how
you
pronounce
it
murgoto
park.
D
E
I
don't
think
I
could
do
it
justice,
but
I
would
clarify
again
that
it's
not
included
this
because
it
is
not
currently
in
the
city
limits.
So,
however,
those
conversations
continue
if
it
if
it
were
to
end
up
being
annexed
into
the
city
and
developed,
it
would
obviously
need
to
be
amended
into
the
cip.
A
J
D
A
J
Well,
I
guess
it
there's
just
a
lot
of.
Why
isn't
the
city
developing
that?
And
so
I
just
colleen-
and
I
were
both
kind
of
in
a
facebook
where
people
have
no
idea
about
impact
fees,
and
so
we
had
to
do
a
little
education
and
that
part
came
up
and
I
just
wasn't
familiar
because
obviously
we
haven't
talked
about
it,
because
it's
obviously
not
part
of
what
we've
done.
J
So
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
little
bit
more
education
so
that
I
from
the
city's
perspective,
so
that
we
can
sort
of
help-
and
you
know
maybe
guide
people
toward
how
they
can
get
involved
in
the
discussion.
If
they're
feeling
the
need
to
talk
a
bunch
of
you
know,
crap
about
the
city,
about
what
they're
doing
or
not
nobody's
doing
that
jill.
D
We
do
have
kind
of
a
handout,
a
summary
of
where
we're
at
that
we've
given
to
all
of
our
commissions,
like
our
parks,
recreation,
commission
and
the
open
space
clean
water
levy
committee.
So
we
can
send
that
out
to
all
of
the
members
on
defect.
I
think
we
sent
it
just
to
dave
and
to
michael
so
I'll,
make
sure
to
get
those
out
to
you
guys
after
this
meeting.
Just
so
that
you
have
kind
of
the
general
background
that
everybody
else
does
and.
J
J
I
Litigation
or
land
and
exchanges-
or,
I
think,
yeah,
I
said,
and
correctly,
if
I'm
wrong,
like
this,
isn't
like
it's
way
outside
the
purview
of
what
we're
discussing
here.
It's
never
been
on
the
plan.
It's
not
part
of
the
city,
it's
not
on
any
plan.
It's
a
policy
discussion
for
a
council
in
terms
of,
are
we
going
to
annex
versus
anything
that
we
have
so.
J
J
We
want
to
be
able
to
talk
to
this,
so
you
know
I'm
not
wanting
to
distract
the
discussion,
I'm
just
wanting
to
be
able
to
defend
the
city
a
bit
when
people
start
talking
of
things
that
they
don't
know
anything
about.
So.
K
I
understand
I
will
send
that
just
kind
of
some
of
those
key
talking
points
to
the
committee
right
now.
I
know
jennifer
has
to
go
so
we'll.
Let.
D
Her
just
one
other
thing,
though,
so
we
have
a
website
that
has
all
of
the
steps
of
where
public
engage,
where
the,
where
public
can
testify
on
these
applications,
what
their
deadlines
are
for
submitting
comments.
It's
all
laid
out
they're,
all
of
the
steps
that
we
are
going
through,
so
even
just
directing
them
there
all
of
the
application
materials
are
there.
You
know
all
the
background
information
is
there.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
jennifer
and
thank
you
to
ann
for
explanation.
I
guess
maybe
travis
to
your
point
I'll,
try
to
keep
it
on
task,
but
if
there's
future
planning
for
a
fire
station
in
the
southwest
area,
is
there
not
a
correlating
need
for
recreation
in
that
same
area?
Do
the
same
services,
fire
police
parks,
not
all
correlate
together,
saying
hey,
there's
a
population
influx
out
here
and
therefore
services
as
a
whole
should
increase.
I
I
C
E
I
know
what
your
question
is,
michael,
if
I
can
take
a
stab
remember
when
we
say
southwest
there's
a
lot
of
southwest
some
of
southwest
is
already
in
the
city,
I'm
not
speaking
of
the
southwest
park's
planning
area.
So
when
we're
talking
about
fire,
we
could
have
people
within
the
city
limits
in
the
south
southwest
area
of
town
whose
development
is
requiring
more
coverage
and
that's
how
chief
newmar
would
be
planning
for
that.
I
didn't
count.
E
That
would
just
be
dumb
yeah,
it's
not
been
sighted,
it's
that's
a
very
vague
southwest.
You
you've
seen
the
map,
so
it's
northwest
it's
somewhere
in
the
south,
west
ish
and
somewhere
in
the
south
ish
and
since
those
are
second
and
third
to
be
discussed,
their
sighting
is
not.
I
mean
their
sighting,
as
you
know,
will
will
depend
on
continued
land
growth
patterns
and
policy
decisions
around
annexation.
H
A
Okay,
all
right
rest,
the
group
any
further
questions
on
I'll
I'll,
throw
one
out
there,
ann,
I'm
looking
at
your
park
numbers
and
you
weren't,
very
sly-
that
support
facility
is
kind
of
fat
number,
just
the
very
bottom,
the
page
there
can
you
give
me
a
little
more
detail
on
what
that
16.8
million
dollars
is.
E
By
next
month's
meeting,
I
think
we
can
bring
a
much
more
full
understanding
of
that.
We
ended
up
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
the
engineering
department
doing
their
costing,
and
so,
if
I
could
have
that
opportunity
to
bring
that
to
you
next
time
where
I
think
they
will
be
a
little
bit
farther
along
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
more
comprehensive,
we
had
sort
of
a
comprehensive
story
and
then,
of
course,
some
things
changed,
and
I
I
would
love
the
opportunity
to
bring
bring
this
engineering
department
to
discuss
more
of
that.
A
L
H
And
just
for
the
good
of
the
group,
I've
had
to
get
educated
on
these
contracts
that
we
have
with
these
other
fire
districts.
A
H
H
So
to
answer
your
question
about
the
southwest-
and
I
think
this
is
what
ann
was
trying
to
say-
this
will
either
be
done
through
annexation,
where
we
go
build
the
station
or
it
could
be
where
whitney
goes
and
builds
the
station
based
on
need
in
their
district
and
as
we
annex,
then
we
have
a
repayment
agreement
with
them
just
like
we
do
with
17.
so
one
way
or
the
other.
That's
how
the
southwest
we
foresee
play
now,
but
either
way
when
we
own
that
station,
it
will
be
within
the
city
limits.
E
And
obviously,
in
staying
with
the
current,
the
current
city's
philosophy,
we're
not
buying
any
more
stuff
in
the
unincorporated
area
until
there's,
maybe
some
clear
understanding
so,
yes
and
and
just
to
be
most
focused
on
this.
This
committee's
purview,
however,
that
might
work
out
or
even
if
decisions
were
to
change,
we
have
the
ability
to
have
growth,
pay
its
way
in
the
fire
district
and
in
the
city,
so
that
there
is
equity
in
any
station.
That's
required.
However,
they
choose
to
deploy
and
serve
each
other.
G
Yeah,
I'm
looking
at
the
numbers
for
alta
harris,
which
I
think
was
on
our
old
cip.
And
if
I
remember
that
travis
the
original
was
like
1.6
1.8
million
dollars
for
that.
When
you
aggregate
the
estimated
6.8
in
2025
plus
the
green
belt
extension,
which
I
don't
remember
seeing
before.
I
That's
a
big
difference.
The
green
belt
extension
was
there.
I
don't
have
it
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
it
was.
I
had
to
give
you
those
numbers,
but
I
think
trevor
corrick
made
my
problem,
but
I
think
part
of
the
reason
for
well
cost
escalation.
I
think
also
the
the
old
1.8
was
just
a
prenup
right,
which
was,
of
course
not
realistic,
but
that
was
where
that
1.8
came
from
as
opposed
to
this
being
green
enough
amenities.
I
I
A
G
A
Thanks
dave,
yeah
you're
welcome,
no,
that's
a
great
question
about
levels
of
service,
and
and
how
do
you
really
define
a
level
of
service
for
a
park,
not
every
park's
the
same?
In
fact,
hardly
any
of
them
are
ever
the
same,
and
so
one
part
that
may
have
one
level
of
amenity
is
going
to
be
different
than
another.
That's
more
of
an
open
space
for
kids
to
throw
a
frisbee
or
whatever.
So
that's
always
a
challenge,
in
my
mind,
is
how
do
you
maintain
level
of
service
when
it's
not
always
equal,
that's
ann's
job.
A
A
Oh,
who
knows,
costs
have
gone
up
how's
that
sound
okay,
further
questions
for
the
committee.
B
Yes,
I
have
one
good
going
back
to
southwest,
so
our
current
levels,
level
of
service
numbers
are
going
to
be
obviously
generated
by
what's
within
the
city,
I
believe
that's
correct,
and
if
we
were
to
annex
southwest
where
be
annexed.
Obviously
the
southwest
level
of
service
numbers
would
be
fair
to
say,
drop
significantly,
and
we
need
to
look
at
those
to
get
better
because,
if
we'd
be
adding
a
lot
more
people
into
the
city
from
southwest
and
there.
F
B
B
E
I
I
think
I
can
speak
to
this
sort
of
globally
if
since
jennifer's
already
gone,
but
I
think
trevor
is
there,
you
know,
I
think
I
think,
having
been
in
this
topic
for
about
15
years,
there
were
times
where
annexation
seemed
more
likely
and
it
seemed
like
good.
Prudent
planning
would
be
to
start
trying
to
acquire
parcels
in
that
area
so
that
when
there
was
annexation,
there
was
not
a
huge
dearth
of
parks
right
at
least
the
land
was
there.
E
So
that
made
a
lot
of
sense,
changing
conditions
and
also
people
not
wanting
to.
F
E
Into
the
city
has
sort
of
left
us
in
a
position
where
there's
some,
there
are
some
parcels
sitting
out
there
in
the
unincorporated
area,
we've
not
collected
impact
fees
for
the
development
of
those
parcels.
The
impact
fees
that
we've
collected
from
those
people
are
being
go
are
going
to
molinar
and
peppermint
park,
so
there
are
parks
that
are
close
to
them,
but
are
still
in
the
city.
E
But
to
your
point,
yes,
if
we
were
to
annex
the
entire
southwest,
they
don't
have
the
same
level
of
service
that
the
rest
of
the
city
does,
and
there
would
need
to
be
some
plan
to
develop
pearl
jensen
to
develop.
You
know,
whatever
else
there
is,
and
so
that
is
part
of
the
big
you
know
conversation
of
annexation.
E
Can
we
afford
to
do
that?
You
know,
and
an
annexation
has
so
many
of
its
own
issues,
but
very
simplistically.
Yes,
if
they
were
all
annexed
in
today,
they
did
not
have
the
same
level
of
service.
A
Appreciate
it
thanks
corbin,
if
this
goes
much
longer,
I
may
have
to
step
off,
but
I
don't
want
to
stop
the
conversation.
I
just
likewise
have
a
meeting
to
run
too
but
michael,
I
see
your
hands
up
so
go
ahead.
Yeah.
C
Sorry,
and
if
this
is
not
the
mechanism,
I'm
happy
to
take
my
question
offline,
but
if,
at
some
point
somebody
could
explain
to
me
the
process
of
annexation
or
if
there
is
a
book
on
annexation
for
dummies.
That
somebody
could
point
me
towards.
I
would
greatly
appreciate
that.
A
Reach
out
to
me
I'll,
be
your
dummy
instructor
right
there,
a
handful.
C
There
are
no
services
that
that
occur
in
the
area
of
impact.
All
services
occur
in
the
city
of
boise
unless
it's
like
some
type
of
whitney
fire
station.
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
is
where
do
those
area
of
impact
fee
dollars
go?
Is
it
should
I
be
saying?
Oh
molinar
park
is
a
win
for
us
because
it
is
relatively
close
to
the
southwest
alliance
area
of
impact,
and
that
is
what
I
should
be
trying
to
advocate
for
for
the.
I
E
While
you're
at
the
kids
table,
I
think
the
answer
is
all
the
all.
The
impact
fees
that
been
paid
by
development
in
the
area
of
impact
have
gone
to
parks
that
are
close
to
the
area
of
impact,
but
they
are
within
the
city,
because
if
you
build
a
park
with
impact
fees,
then
you
have
to
pay
to
maintain
it.
People
in
the
area
of
impact
are
not
paying
taxes
to
maintain
it,
and
that
that
will
be
the
most
simplistic
way
is
that
their
money
has
not
been
inappropriately
spent
in
their
impact
fees.
A
A
Let's
see,
I
saw
corbin's
hand
still
up.
Is
that
because
your
hand's
just
still
waving
all
right,
it's
gone
down
all
right.
Any
further
questions
for
the
group
here.
A
Please
I
just
was
reading
a
side.
Note
looks
like
chief
neymar
is
jumping
off
okay,
travis,
travis
or
trevor,
which
one
I'm
sorry
travis
trevor
travis.
I
Wanted
to
elaborate
on
the
on
those
feed
collections
in
the
area
of
impact
they're
tagged
at
the
time
of
collection,
for
it's
roughly
one-third
goes
to
the
local
park.
So
in
this
case
we're
talking
about
things
that
are
tagged
for
the
southwest
park,
I.e,
molinar
and
then
two-thirds
go
to
regional
parks
for
the
agreement
with
the
county.
A
A
I
I
think
the
only
thing
and
why
I
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
to
represent
parks
in
this
question,
but
there's
a
conflict
with
the
parks
department
for
the
is
it
the
11th
is
the
next
scheduled
meeting.
Yes,.
K
So
I
wanted
to
throw
it
out
and
we
I
can
also
send
an
email
and
do
it
that
way.
If
it's
easier.
K
L
L
Back
into
into
the
state
on
the
10th,
so
you
know
anything
later
in
the
week
or
the
following
week
would
be
great
for.
L
K
I
would
just
be
hesitant
because
that
means
our
staff
turnaround.
Time
is
a
week.
You
know,
is
a
week
less.
A
I'm
actually
out
of
town
michael
most
of
that
week,
just
for
you,
okay,.
K
So
I
would
yeah,
maybe
look
if
we
can't
find
another
day
that
we
can
push
out
a
week
and
I'll
follow
up
in
an
email.
But
maybe
I'm
in
the
phone
just
look
at
their
calendars
and
I
will
yeah
I'll
shoot
a
message
out.
A
A
Okay,
I'd
like
to
thank
rob
and
the
other
attorneys
for
behaving
in
the
room.
With
that
in
mind,
I'll
look
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting.
A
A
Okay,
I
heard
a
motion
all
in
favor
of
the
adjourn
say:
aye.