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A
Foreign
I'm
Madam
chair,
we'll
run
through
the
hearing
agenda,
real,
quick
and
then
I
believe
we
have
some
introductions
of
some
State
historic
preservation
office
staff
that
we
can
go
through
as
well.
So
a
fairly
full
agenda
tonight
with
stem
with
December's
meeting
cancellation.
A
So
item
number
one
on
10th
Street.
We
are
going
to
need
to
hear
that
item
item
number
two
on
Crawl.
We
would
recommend
for
the
consent
agenda.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
perfect
item
number
three.
We
will
need
to
hear
on
14th
Street
same
with
item
number
four
on
22nd
street.
We
will
need
to
hear
that
item
as
well.
Item
number
five
on
15th
street.
We
will
hear
item
number
six
on
McKinley.
We
will
hear
as
well
and
then
we
would
propose
item
number
seven
on
12th
for
the
consent
agenda.
All.
A
Okay,
perfect,
thank
you
and
then
just
a
couple.
Quick
introductions:
I
wanted
to
introduce
Olivia
Harris,
our
new
assistant,
historic
preservation,
planner
she's,
the
behind
the
scenes
magic,
a
lot
of
the
staff
level
approvals
and
assisting
customers.
Answering
phone
calls
she's
started
with
us
just
before
Christmas
so
happy
to
have
her
on
board
and
then
I
also
think
Dan
Everhart
is
here
with
an
introduction
of
some
of
a
new
staff
member.
It's
the
historic
preservation
office
Dan.
C
C
I
am
here
to
well
because
we
should
always
check
in
once
in
a
while
with
our
with
our
commissioners,
but
I
I
am
pleased
to
introduce
tonight
our
new
certified
local
government
planner
at
the
State
historic
preservation
office.
Her
name
is
Maria
Rochelle
I'll.
Let
her
speak
for
herself
in
a
moment,
but
just
wanted
to
sort
of
bring
you
all
up
to
speed.
C
You
know:
we've
we've
had
a
vacancy
in
our
office
had
a
vacancy
in
our
office
with
our
CLG
planner
for
about
12
months,
and
so
we're
really
pleased
we're
gonna
joined
the
office
in
the
first
week
of
November
and
she
is
going
to
hopefully
in
the
next
12
months,
make
her
way
around
to
all
40
of
our
certified
local
governments
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
know
that,
but
you're
you're,
just
one
of
40,
maybe
the
most
important
one.
C
That's
what
I
say
when
I'm
in
front
of
Any
Given
Community
but
you're
you're,
one
of
40
and
Maria's
gonna
do
her
best
to
to
meet
all
of
our
communities
who
we
partner
with
so
Maria.
Do
you
wanted
to
say
hello.
D
Hi
everyone,
as
Dan
said
I'm
Marie,
Rochelle
I
came
to
Boise
by
way
of
Jackson
Hole,
where
I
was
for
the
past
four
years,
working
for
the
National,
Park
Service,
so
excited
to
be
here
and
meeting
people
across
Idaho
and
especially
as
a
Boise
resident.
This
is
a
great
meeting
for
me
to
attend
but
excited
to
partner
with
Richard
and
see
what
we
can
do
for
preservation
here
in
Boise.
Great
thanks.
F
F
G
E
C
E
H
J
E
E
E
E
B
And
it's
now,
six
o'clock
I'll
be
calling
the
historic
preservation
meeting
to
order
it
is
January
30th
2023..
My
name
is
Jillian
Maroney
and
I.
This
is
my
first
meeting
that
I'm
chairing
so
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there
please
bear
with
me:
I
have
a
fantastic
Vice
chair
who
will
be
helping
me
with
things,
but
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
people
here.
So,
let's
all
be
intentional.
With
our
time.
I'm
excited
you're
here
and
you're
passionate
about
what's
happening
in
our
community.
K
F
F
K
B
You
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
November
28
2022
minutes
Madam.
K
L
M
B
You
next,
we
will
create
the
consent
agenda
right
now.
We
have
two
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
first
item
is
item
number
two
drh22-00425
Gary
McAllister.
The
address
is
our
616
and
622
East
cross
street
I
have
two
people
signed
up.
Is
anybody
here
to
oppose
this
project
or
these
projects
thanks
a
question
yeah.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
there's
nobody
here!
That
is
against
this
item.
B
Nobody
online!
Okay,
we'll
move
that
one
to
consent.
Then
the
second
item
on
our
consent
agenda
is
item
number
seven
drh22-00441.
B
B
I
Manager-
yes
I'll,
second,
that
but
before
we
call
the
roll,
can
we
verify
that
the
applicants
are
in
agreement
with
staff's
recommendations
for
approval.
B
Yes,
do
we
have
I'm
going
to
start
with
item
number
two
drh22-00425
is
the
applicant
here
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
staffs
recommendations
for
approval?
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much
and
then
the
next
one
is
drh22-00441.
Is
the
applicant
here
online
great
thanks
Amy?
Are
you
in
agreement
with
stats
recommendations
for
conditions
of
approval?
Yes,.
F
B
B
You
all
right
with
that
we'll
be
moving
to
new
business.
First
on
our
agenda
is
drh22-00380
James
Ritter.
This
was
deferred
from
nov
the
November
meeting
the
address
is
1706
North,
10th
Street,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
an
existing
non-contributing
structure
and
construct
a
new
single-family
residence
with
detached
garage
on
a
property
and
an
R-1
CH
single-family
residential
with
historic
overlay
Zone,
and
with
that
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
staff
to
hear
their
report.
B
H
Structure
and
construct
a
new
residence
with
a
detached
garage
on
that
property.
This
is
the
location
from
an
aerial
map.
H
This
is
a
photograph
of
the
existing
house,
and
in
here
we
have
a
letter.
This
was
something
that
we
had
the
issue
with
before
that
has
been
resolved:
the
discrepancy
between
it
being
the
contributing
or
non-contributing
based
on
State
records
versus
our
records.
There
were,
their
records
were
showing
it
was
contributing.
H
The
city
of
Boise's
Records
showed
that
it
was
non-contributing
the
city
of
Boise's
records
Kerry,
so
it
should
be
in
this
case
considered
non-contributing,
and
it's
led
us
to
a
staff
protocol
where,
with
any
future
application
where
demolition
is
proposed,
we
get
verification
that
we
are
in
agreement
and
resolve
things
beforehand.
H
Before
comes
to
a
commission
meeting,
here's
the
site
plan
and
in
the
prior
submittal
it
was
a
somewhat
taller
building
and
had
a
wider
Dormer
and,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
revised
middle,
they
made
some
modifications,
the
narrower
Dormer
and
it's
dropped
by
a
foot
seven
or
it's
in
the
report,
whatever
the
actual
number
was,
but
the
overall
height
has
been
reduced
to
so
that
will
help
with
the
visual,
and
this
is
an
email
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
with
regards
to
the
lock
coverage.
H
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
major
issues
last
time,
as
well
as
the
contributing
on
contributing,
was
to
47
lot
coverage
and
they
were
providing
rationale
in
the
email,
that's
included
in
the
packet,
and
they
hope
that
the
commission
can
can
consider
that.
E
H
So
with
that
I
will,
in
my
presentation.
B
Thank
you,
Steph
next
I'd
like
to
ask
if
the
applicant
is
present,
and
you
can
step
forward
and
state
your
name
and
your
full
address
great.
Would
you
mind
stepping
into
the
podium
perfect,
thank
you
and
you
have
20
minutes.
O
Okay
yeah,
this
I
don't
consider
myself
an
anxious
person,
but
this
process
has
raised
my
anxiety
level
to
place.
I've
never
experienced
them
before,
but
I
do
have
good
notes,
so
we'll
see
if
I
can
get
through
this
without
stumbling
too
much.
A
O
I
want
to
share
a
little
background
on
why
I'm
asking
to
build
a
home
one
block
away
from
where
I
currently
live.
As
you
know,
at
1601,
North,
11th,
Street
I
believe
it's
pertinent
to
the
decisions
to
be
made
tonight.
In
2020,
my
neighbor
had
11
10
Eastman
Sherry.
N
O
She
submitted
plans
to
add
a
second
home,
the
substandard
corner,
lot
to
myself
the
applications
unanimously
approved
by
the
historic
committee,
fully
supported
by
Nina
and
despite
written
and
verbal
objections
from
all
the
immediate
neighbors
it
was
passed
by
the
city
as
well,
once
fully
approved
Sherry
who's,
a
local
realtor
decided
to
put
the
property
on
the
market
understandably
take
advantage
of
the
conditions
at
the
time
within
with
about
a
week
or
so,
and
at
local
Airbnb
investor,
purchased
the
property
and
started
building
late
last
year
and
I've
got
some
visual
aids
here,
some
pictures
can
I,
do
I
approach
the
bench
or.
O
So
those
are
those
are
pictures
of
the
nearly
completed
house
with
the
original
house
over
to
the
left.
Some
details
of
the
project
are
as
follows:
there's
a
total
of
2
602
square
feet.
There's
a
45.6
percent
lock
coverage
in
order
to
get
the
new
house
to
fit
on
the
lot
two
variances
were
requested
and
approved.
The
first
was
a
street
side,
setback,
variance
from
15
feet
down
to
10
feet
or
five
feet.
So
the
lot
of
the
house
actually
sits
five
feet
in
from
the
sidewalk.
O
O
There
were
a
few
historic
guidelines
that
were
ignored
in
the
process:
5.1.2
environmental
impact
and
neighbors
of
casting
shadows
in
the
south
facing
facade
of
an
adjoining
property.
This
building
is
actually
two
and
a
half
stories
tall,
so
it
is
blocked
virtually
all
of
my
south
facing
windows,
so
I've
lost
all
of
my
or
most
of
my
passive
solar
heat.
The
house
is
obviously
quite
a
bit
darker
and
cooler
in
the
winter.
O
5.4.8
design
and
construct
garage
is
part
of
a
primary
building.
Primary
building
should
not
have
garages
that
enter
in
the
front
of
the
house
and
both
of
those
situations
are
present
in
this
design.
O
It
also
violates
criteria
I'm
not
going
to
read
it's
a
really
long
number:
substandard
lots
of
record
privacy
impact
on
adjacent
yards.
Now
the
house
actually
has
a
small
deck,
the
very
back
and
do
the
height
of
the
house.
It
looks
down
into
my
backyard
so
virtually
eliminating
any
privacy
I
had
in
my
backyard.
In
addition,
the
window
placements
on
the
north
side
of
the
house
are
such
that
they
are
directly
across
from
my
windows
but
the
height
of
the
house.
O
They
kind
of
look
down
and
it
not
that
I
do
anything
more
weird
than
anybody
else
in
the
privacy
of
my
own
home.
But
you
know
I'm.
My
dog
loves
when
I
talk
to
her
and
sing
to
her,
but
that's
it
and
it's
just
disturbing
to
have
strangers
be
able
to
look
down
into
your
into
your
windows,
so
I
essentially
live
with
the
blinds
up
at
this
point
after
the
framing
was
completed
the
reality
of
the
negative
impact.
O
O
O
All
three
neighbors
have
submitted
written
support
of
this
project.
Regarding
the
neighborhood,
there
are
actually
18
homes
within
a
one
block:
radius,
a
two-story
or
one
and
a
half
story.
Tall
I've
got
more
pictures,
there's
two
each.
O
So
1701
North
10th
Street
has
a
two-story
garage
Adu
which,
as
you
can
see
from
the
picture,
is
clearly
visible
from
the
street.
That
picture
is
taken
from
10th
Street.
Looking
at
the
house,
1716
North
10th
is
a
bad
picture,
but
it's
a
true
two-story
home
and
then
17
18th
North
10th
has
a
two-story
garage,
I,
don't
know
it's
an
ad
or
just
a
tall
garage.
It's
built
in
front
of
a
small
Bungalow.
So
once
again
it
clearly
visible
from
the
street.
O
O
When
designing
the
10th
Street
plans,
we
used
my
plans
for
11th
Street
as
a
guide
but
eliminated
the
upstairs
living
and
set
the
floor.
Joists
level
with
the
foundation
and
the
foundation
is
as
close
as
possible
to
the
grade.
So
this
way
we
could
reduce
the
height
of
the
building,
help
it
blend
with
the
neighborhood.
It
also
allowed
me
to
build
something
with
fewer.
O
Because
I
want
to
create
something
with
main
level
living
where
I
can
age
in
place,
and
you
know
not
that
I'm
gonna
be
planning
on
being
a
walker
realtor
anytime
soon,
but
this
isn't
a
spec
home.
This
is
a
home.
I
want
to
build
and
live
in
for
as
long
as
possible,
so
main
level
living
is,
is
what
I'm
trying
to
do
accomplish
So,
based
on
the
feedback.
From
the
last
meeting,
we
came
up
with
a
few
concessions
and
met
with
Richard
and
Josh
to
get
their
feedback.
Specifically.
O
O
We
also
reduce
the
the
size
of
the
Dormer.
There
was
the
first
meeting.
There
was
an
issue
of
it
being
a
two-story
ish
design,
because
the
volume
in
the
Attic
So
reducing
the
width
of
that
Dormer
from
eight
to
six
eliminates
that
problem,
and
now
it's
a
true
one
and
a
half
story
structure.
O
We
also
talked
about,
though,
changing
footprint
reducing
the
size
of
buildings.
You
know,
building
on
a
substandard
lot
is,
is
difficult
and
especially
we're
trying
to
do
a
you
know,
main
level
living
and
taking
that
that
design
and
trying
to
you
know
squeeze
it
in
tighter.
O
It's
just
it
defeats
the
purpose
of
the
plan,
so
we
we
gave
up
on
doing
that,
but
based
upon
the
approvals
of
my
current
home
plans
on
11th,
what
was
recently
approved
to
myself
and
the
full
support
of
my
immediate
neighbors
I
believed
I
had
a
very
reasonable
expectation
for
support
from
a
project.
O
I
was
I
was
a
little
shocked
and
not
very
disappointed
that
any
objections
came
up
to
the
last
painting
and
all
I'm
respectfully
asking
the
committee
is
to
please
be
consistent
with
what
has
been
approved
in
the
past
in
my
immediate
neighborhood
and
take
into
consideration
that
I
got
full
support
from
the
neighbors
who
are
most
impacted
by
this
project,
and
they
all
think
it's
going
to
be
a
positive
changing
tribute
to
the
neighborhood
So
yeah.
Thank.
B
F
B
All
right,
you
can
sit
down
and
you'll
have
an
opportunity
for
a
rebuttal.
Next
up
would
be
our
designated
neighborhood
association.
Do
we
have
a
representative
here?
Thank
you.
Please
state
your
name
and
address.
Q
Q
We
know
of
several
successful
projects
that
have
here
to
adhere
to
the
35
watt
coverage,
including
one
between
fourth
and
fifth,
on
a
oh
feral,
and
we
would
really
like
this
standard
to
be
upheld.
One
of
the
ways
that
we've
seen
some
projects
be
at
work.
This
way
is
to
reduce
to
a
one-car
garage
on
Lots,
like
that.
Q
This
block
is
home
to
some
of
the
smallest
houses
in
the
neighborhood
and
two
of
the
houses
on
the
same
side
of
the
block,
including
the
one
directly
to
the
north,
set
back
from
the
street
quite
a
bit,
and
we
are
worried
that
this
project
will
look
a
little
out
of
place
a
bit
like
a
condominium
amongst
cottages,
and
we
agree
with
the
example.
Q
The
homeowner
just
gave
you
with
how
that
that
project
right
next
to
his
house
looked
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
avoid,
and
we
don't
want
to
see
any
more
things
like
that
in
the
neighborhood
we'd,
also
like
to
request
that
the
homeowner
consider
permeable,
Paving
and
down
shaded
Lighting
on
this
project.
If.
B
B
No
all
right
with
that
I
will
give
the
applicant
their
five
minute
rebuttal.
You
can
come
back
up.
O
So,
with
all
due
respect,
the
concern
of
the
neighbor's
house
being
set
back,
that's
the
neighbor
that
supports
this
project.
They've
submitted
a
letter
based
on
the
initial
feedback
from
Nina
I.
Believe
you
have
that
in
your
file
from
Andrew.
O
As
far
as
massing
this,
this
isn't
a
huge
home.
It's
not
a
massive
home,
it's
basically
this
it's
almost
the
same
height
as
the
home
that
it
sits
there
right
now,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
build
something.
That's
going
to
be
a
sore
thumb
and
once
again,
the
neighbors
that
are
most
impacted
by
this
design,
fully
approved
the
project.
O
I
I'm,
not
sure
what
else
there
was
I,
think
the
massing,
the
setback
and
that's
that's
kind
of
it.
I
guess
so
great
all.
I
Right
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant.
Nina
did
mention
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
use
of
permeable,
Paving
and
downshaded
lighting.
Is
that
something
you're
open
to?
We.
B
M
I'll
have
a
question,
so
your
current
garages
at
one
or
two
cars,
two.
O
M
Are
you
open
to
a
one-car
garage
that
Nina's
suggesting
to
help
meet
the
coverage?
It's
a
lot
of
coverage.
O
So
I
I
gave
up
accessible
storage
to
reduce
the
height
to
address
the
massing
concerns
and
the
garage
really
I
I
guess
shorts
answer
is,
is
no
I've
got
I've
got
a
lot
of
stuff
and
I've
got
two
cars
I
can't
park
in
the
garage
right
now
so
having
a
little
I
can't
park,
both
of
them
so
having
just
a
little
bit.
More
width
allows
me
to
park
my
car
off
Street
as
opposed
to
on
Street.
O
F
B
Other
questions
for
the
applicant:
no
okay,
thank
you
with
that.
I'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting,
and
we
will
I'll
open
it
up
to
discussion
or
emotion
from
my
fellow
Commissioners
Madden.
I
Chair
if
I
may
get
us
started
on
some
discussion.
Yes,
please
so
I
was
on
the
commission
when
we
decided
to
increase
lot
coverage
on
sub
substandard
Lots,
and
originally
it
was
30
percent.
I
We
increased
it
to
35
percent
so
that
accommodations
could
easily
be
made
without
without
having
to
come
to
a
hearing,
which
is
a
lot,
and
we
knew
that
at
some
point
when
further
down
the
road,
we
would
start
probably
seeing
applications
trying
to
push
that
35
percent
by
you
know
40
45
47-
and
this
is
really
hard
for
me,
because
I
absolutely
recognize
the
need
for
Aging
in
place.
I
I
I
So
those
are
my
thoughts
right
now
and
I
do
want
to
Echo
Nina's
concerns
of
massing.
Looking
at
those
photos,
it's
pretty
significant
visually
and
I
understand
that
the
current
neighbors
may
be
in
support
of
of
this
proposed
project
as
is
but
it
it
is
a
permanent
project,
and
we
have
to
consider
that
when
making
our
decision
in
addition
to
the
guidelines
that
we're
bound
to
in
making
these
decisions,
so
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
my
fellow
Commissioners
think
thank.
M
You
excellent
to
the
discussion.
I
agree
with
commissioner
Monto
about
the
lot
coverage
and
the
massing
I.
Think
the
biggest
thing
for
me
is
a
lot
of
coverage
and
I
think
if
they
can
do
a
one-car
garage
and
shrink
it
down
and
help
meet
that
standard
I'd
be
for
approval
of
the
application
if
they
can
do
a
one
car
instead
of
two
car
garage.
B
I
I
I
would
support
that
as
well.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
we
can
revisit
with
the
applicant
since
it,
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
has
been
closed,
but.
A
B
Thank
you,
so
maybe
we'll
finish
some
discussion
within
ourselves
and
then
we
can
decide
if
that's
the
direction
that
we
want
to
go.
I
do
appreciate
this
project
that
he's
gone
around
he's
talked
to
the
neighbors.
You
know
he
seems
well
versed
with
the
code
he's
done
redesigns
and
he's
trying
to
accommodate.
You
know
many
of
our
requirements.
B
It
is
a
substandard
lot.
This
is
you
know
one
of
the
smaller
homes
we've
seen
proposed
lately,
which
is
nice,
but
I
do
think
you
know
this.
Two-Car
garage
is
kind
of
a
hang
up.
There's
not
many
two-car
garages
in
the
North
End
I
understand
the
need
for
storage,
but
given
the
lot
and
the
constraints
around
it.
B
If
this
is
the
sticking
point
for
the
project
for
some
of
my
other
Commissioners
I
can
see,
maybe
we
can
come
to
some
consensus
around
that
garage
that
would
bring
down
the
footprint
of
the
house.
L
B
B
Going
to
let
you
so
it
sounds
like
you
know,
the
footprint
really
is
the
sticking
point
for
the
commission.
We
do
see
every
month,
somebody
asking
you
know
to
build
something
that
takes
up
more
than
that
35
percent.
B
One
way
that
we've
identified,
that's
easy
is
obviously
this
two-car
garage.
Would
you
be
willing
to
do
a
one,
a
one-car
garage.
I
H
That
could
happen.
You
could
have
open-air
parking
space
beside
the
garage,
yeah,
okay,.
O
The
main
thing
with
the
two-car
garage
is
is
well
so
I
have
a
1966
Volkswagen
bus,
which
is
has
you
know
it
needs
to
be
parked
in
the
garage
for
insurance
purposes,
so
that
takes
up
a
portion
and
then
I
prefer
not
to
take
up
a
parking
spot
in
the
street,
especially
on
10th.
It's
pretty
crowded,
so
yeah
having
the
ability
at
least
Park
not
on
street
off
Street,
would
be
helpful.
O
B
Thank
you
any
comments
for
the
applicant.
R
B
Right,
yeah
yeah
staff
can
do
you
have
a
general
number
of
what
a
one-car
garage
might
be
or
a
range.
H
H
Just
based
on
most
two-car
garages
being
somewhere
in
the
vicinity
of
a
20
by
24,
plus
or
minus
a
couple
feet,
structure,
maybe
like
a
12
by
20,
could
be,
but
it's
a
bus.
So
it
might
have
to
be
a
little
bit
longer.
So
it's
kind
of
math
on
the
Fly.
H
To
get
that
280,
maybe
a
280
square,
foot
plus
or
minus
10
or
20.
versus
what
you
know.
Whatever
I
can't
recall
the
square
footage
of
the
original
garage.
O
H
N
H
O
B
Q
In
favor
of
the
one
car
garage
solution
and
just
as
an
emphasis
there
I
think
they
were
asking
for
a
three
foot
setback
on
the
garage
that
wouldn't
have
to
happen
now
and
just
for
perspective.
The
house
north
of
of
this
lot,
is
only
17
coverage
and
the
hostages
to
the
south
of
it
is
in
the
20s
or
something
so
that
that's
why
we
hide.
B
I
The
Commissioners
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
quickly,
I
I,
think
it's
really
important.
As
Sandy
mentioned,
the
lower
percentage
lot
coverage
is
these
were
historically
modern
homes.
These
were
not
big
mcmansions,
these
weren't
really
humble
neighborhoods
and
areas,
and
that's
really
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
we're
here
is
to
preserve
what
that
looked
like
and
so
I
want
to
commend
the
applicant
for
his
willingness
to
allow
this
pretty
significant
change
to
his
design.
I
We
don't
see
that
type
of
collaboration
with
something
so
significant.
Often
so,
thank
you
very
much
Mr
Ritter
and
if
there
isn't
any
other
comments,
I
would
be
happy
to
make
a
motion.
If
not
I
would
love
to
hear
the
other
comments.
B
H
Say
approximately
six
percent,
this
is
math
butterfly,
but
approximately
six
percent
reduction
and
we're
currently
at
45
47,
so
it'll
be.
H
I
It
site
design,
it's
a
it's
on
page,
okay,
three
of
nine.
Are
you
seeing
it?
It
says
under
three
project
proposal,
site
design,
land
use,
percentage
of
the
site
devoted
to
building
coverage
is
40
percent.
I
Glad
yeah
yeah,
because
if
it
is
just
now
coming
down
to
40
I'm
I'm,
not
okay,
with
that
foreign.
B
K
I
E
H
Yes,
I
think
that
is
accurate.
I
can
cross
check
real,
quick
with
the
site
plan.
H
E
B
So
the
the
site
plan
says
47,
but
doing
the
math
between
the
footprints
of
the
dwelling
in
the
garage
it's
closer
to
40
percent
is
the
numbers
that
we're
getting
so
taking
that
garage
down
will
get
us
closer
to
that
35
percent.
So.
H
It's
around
42
I
think
Josh
just
did
a
calculation,
and
so
that
gets
it
close.
If
you
do
that
that
six
percent
reduction
to
36
ish
yeah,
okay.
I
Okay,
I'm;
okay,
with
that
do
I
need
to
reset
my
motion.
No,
yes,
yes,
yes,
okay,
Madam,
chair,
I
moved
to
approved
air
h22-00380.
I
I
B
You,
commissioner,
Malloy,
please
call
roll.
K
J
B
Thank
you
so
much
moving
on
to
our
next
item:
drh22-00426,
Rodney,
Evans
and
partners.
The
address
is:
1718
North,
14th
Street,
it's
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
an
existing
non-contributing
structure
and
construct
a
new
single-family
residence
in
detached
garage
with
an
Adu
above
the
property
and
a
single-family
residential
and
historic
overlay.
Zone
Steph
and
we
have
the
report.
H
Yes,
as
stated
we'll
get
started,
is
this
is
a
non-contributing
structure.
Here
is
the
site,
location
green?
This
is
a
photograph
of
the
existing
home,
a
photograph
from
the
side.
It's
a
corner
address
so
that
the
side
and
here's
the
site
plan
for
what
is
proposed
in
its
place
and
the
landscape
plan
giving
an
indication
of
landscape
features
to
be
utilized.
Now
this
came
in
a
previous
commission
meeting
and
based
on
the
feedback
from
the
staff
report,
the
applicant
revised
a
plan
to
address
our
issues.
H
We
previously
recommended
denial
for
this
project
because
of
things
such
as
the
general
massing,
the
width
of
the
dorm
or
the
use
of
Cortez
steel
to
surround
the
chimney
so
anyway,
based
on
the
feedback
provided
they
came
up
with
a
revised
submittal
that
addressed
those
issues
they,
as
you
will
see
here,
they
changed
the
width
of
the
Dormer
as
you'll
see
here,
the
width
of
the
dorm
or
the
Dormers
narrow,
where
they
changed
the
material
surrounding
the
the
chimney
to
stucco,
and
they
are
no
longer
having
exposed
natural
wood.
H
P
H
Was
before
and
there's
been
a
a
a
bit
of
a
reduction
in
the
height
I'll,
get
to
that
with
my
analysis,
so
the
height
Peak
height
is
now
24
feet.
Seven
and
a
lot
of
the
adjacent
buildings
are
one
and
one
and
a
half
stories
behind
and
across
from
limp
Street,
and
we
feel
that
it
can
grow
us
now
can
grow
us
with
properties
in
the
vicinity
and
the
materials.
As
mentioned
that
the
drawings
do
call
out
black
vinyl
windows,
but
vinyl
is
not
allowed
in
the
district.
H
Therefore,
I
have
placed
the
appropriate
condition,
as
is
generally
placed
in
these
kinds
of
applications
regardless
and
oh
it's
supposed
to
be
two
sorry.
Two
stories
in
height,
the
height
of
the
peak
of
the
Adu,
is
22
feet,
putting
it
two
feet:
seven
below
the
height
of
the
main
structure,
which
is
great
and
it's
all
congruous
and
and
that
I
it
did
not
call
out
black
vinyl,
but
I
one
can
assume
they.
H
M
Have
a
question
Richard
in
your
analysis
and
findings.
You
said
the
house
was
considered
non-contributing
from
a
survey
conducted
in
1998
a
reading
throughout
all
of
the
findings.
I
found
this
one
was
interesting
because
you
said
was
considered
in
your
professional
opinion.
Would
if
you
resurveyed
the
neighborhood,
whether
to
be
a
contributing
house.
H
I
understand
what
you're
saying
I
I,
when
I
saw
that
it
was
considered
non-contributing
I
I
did
have
a
brief
really
so
none
of
us
can
be
where
they
were
then,
when
they
did
that
and
contributing
or
non-contributing
there
could
be
anomalies,
and
it
was
an
unintended
error.
For
example,
there's
a
1992
Fleetwood
Mobile
Home,
that's
contributing
to
the
historic
district
in
another
location,
so
sometimes
things
just
aren't,
maybe
ticked
right
or
but
you're.
Asking
about
my
professional
opinion.
H
If
I
were
to
do
a
survey
now
it
does
look
like
a
lot
of
the
original
materials.
Are
there,
it
looks
like
the
windows
may
be
original
I'd
have
to
dig
around
to
determine
that.
So
there
is
a
chance,
maybe
in
hindsight,
if
that
were
to
be
resurveyed
today,
that
it
could
be
considered
contributing.
That's
just
a
you
know,
bird's
eye
view
not
really
digging
into
it,
but
I.
Think
the
Crux
of
the
reality
in
the
situation
is
based
on
the
existing
survey.
H
It
was
considered
non-contributing
then,
and
that's
how
the
lay
of
the
land
is
so
to
speak.
For
for
us,
considering
it
now.
B
S
First
and
foremost,
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
conditions
of
approval
contained
in
the
staff
report.
Additionally,
there
were
some
changes
made.
It
didn't
actually
make
it
to
the
committee
last
month
because
it
was
there
was
not
a
quorum,
so
we
didn't
get
here,
but
after
we
received
the
staff
report,
took
it
back
to
the
architectural
designer
and
the
owner
made
a
lot
of
changes
to
it.
We're
at
the
35
percent.
Lot
coverage
for
this
project
also
reduce
the
height
some
of
the
materials
just
to
comply
with
those
historic
guidelines.
S
I
think
the
black
vinyl
was
probably
my
mistake:
adding
the
wrong,
because
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
pre-populates
I
fill
out
so
many
applications
that
it
put
vinyl.
There
was
also
a
letter
from
one
of
the
neighbors
immediately
to
the
South.
They
actually
have
a
very
good
relationship
with
the
owner
because
they
live
just
across
the
alley
in
a
more
newly
constructed
home,
so
they're
going
to
be
moving
to
this
lot.
S
He
actually
took
the
neighbor
into
his
current
house
and
showed
him
how
they
treated
some
of
their
windows
on
that
one,
and
he
was
very
happy
to
see
that
additionally,
there
is
an
upper
story
balcony
off
of
the
master
that
the
neighbor
had
some
concerns
about,
and
in
discussions
with
the
neighbor,
the
designer
is
going
to
add
like
a
trellis
or
some
sort
of
screen
there
to
protect.
You
know
keep
any
views
from
that
balcony
over
into
his
rear
yard
and
yeah
the
con
the
just
to
touch
briefly
on
contributing
versus
non-contributing.
S
There
are
some
you
know,
aspects
of
the
home
that
are
historic,
it's
in
very
bad
condition,
it's
more
likely
a
hazard
to
go
inside
of
it
right
now.
It's
been
vacant
only
for
about
a
year,
but
it
was
in
Fairly
bad
condition
before
that.
As
well
so
the
owners
are
just
looking
to
build
a
nice
home
for
themselves
and
their
family
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
live
in
this
neighborhood
I
would
stand
for
questions
great.
I
Manager,
I
have
a
question
Ben
thanks
for
your
clarifications
on
a
lot
of
that,
can
you
also
clarify
what
type
of
window
material
will
be
used?
It'll.
F
B
Q
Chairwoman,
Sandy
Herman
1404
North,
7th
Street.
We
appreciate
the
new
plans
have
reduced
the
height
of
both
the
garage
Ado
in
the
home
and
we
like
the
new
changes.
Our
main
focus
for
this
property
is
the
trees.
We
see
some
trees
in
the
plan
for
the
front
of
the
house
on
14th
we'd
also
like
to
see
some
some
plans
for
planting
several
trees
in
the
easement
between
the
sidewalk
and
limb
Street.
Q
As
someone
who
used
to
live
in
that
part
of
the
neighborhood
and
walked
around
almost
daily,
that
intersection
is
a
bit
like
crossing
the
Sahara
in
the
summer.
It
really
needs
some
shade
and
there
isn't
any
trees
along
that
lot
on
either
side
right
now.
Q
Commissioner
Malloy
we'd
also
like
to
take
a
moment
to
point
out
that
we
are
losing
another
small
house
in
the
neighborhood.
This
comment
is
not
particularly
pointed
at
this
project.
The
homeowners
have
done
nothing
wrong.
The
house
is
non-contributing,
even
as
I
find
it
architecturally
interesting,
and
the
condition
of
the
existing
house
is
unfortunately
not
good.
Q
The
nature
of
this
committee
and
plans
being
put
in
front
of
you
means
that
change
is
coming
to
the
neighborhood
and
that
change
is
often
bigger
and
and
better.
We
would
like
to
encourage
the
city
to
go
ahead
with
plans
to
do
new
historic
survey,
so
we
can
protect
existing
houses,
more
clarity
to
what
is
contributing.
What
is
not,
and
hopefully
save
some
of
the
smaller
ones.
Q
Many
of
us
love
the
neighborhood
because
of
the
diversity
in
housing
stock.
It
allows
all
kinds
of
people
to
live
there.
We
now
have
an
emphasis
on
density
and
adus,
which
is
great
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
that
that
not
everyone,
especially
the
elderly
or
disabled,
can
live
in
a
second
story
Adu,
so
just
having
that
density
doesn't
really
help.
We
really
do
need
those
those
one
story.
I
I
do
have
just
one
clarification
manager.
Can
you
confirm
the
location?
Did
you
say
along
lump
in
Eastman.
Q
Along
the
its
length,
that's
on
the
north
side
of
that
lot.
There's
no
trees
at
all
along
that
in
the
in
the
easement
there,
okay
and
there
isn't
any
on
on
the
14th
side
either
in
the
easement,
but
I
do
think
on
their
plans.
They
have
trees
to
go
in
the
yard
on
the
14th
Street
side.
Thank.
K
B
S
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
Ben
Semple
1450
West,
Bannock,
Street,
Boise,
83702,
yeah,
so
I
didn't
clarify.
We
are
during
our
discussions
with
the
city
staff.
We
will
be
adding
Street
trees
to
both
lamp
and
14th
Street
frontages
in
the
planter
strip
there
yeah,
because
it
is
very
exposed
out
there
and
then
it
is
unfortunate
that
we're
losing
this
home.
It
is
you
know,
architecturally
interesting.
S
That
being
said,
we
will
still
go
through
the
Salvage
process
and
everything
else
that's
required
per
the
city's
demo
standards
so
that
some,
if
there
are
materials
that
are
able
to
be
salvaged
and
reused,
then
those
that
would
be
accomplished.
Thank.
B
I
Adventure,
yes,
I
will
start
us
off
with
some
discussion,
as
mentioned
for
the
sake
of
time.
I
won't
give
you
a
monologue,
but
we
are
losing
our
smaller
homes
and
this
house
is
so
cute
I,
don't
think
too
many
pictures
of
the
original
House
were
shown,
but
it
is
just
darling
and
it
is
a
very
sad
thing,
although
I
would
like
to
applaud
the
applicant
for
their
work
in
being
as
intentional
as
possible,
with
this
project.
I
think
that's
real.
It's
really
refreshing
to
see.
I
Quite
honestly,
even
I
had
typed
some
notes
of
questions.
I
wanted
to
ask
and
Ben
had
already
addressed
them
before
I
even
had
the
chance,
so
I
think
that's
great
I
am
in
support
of
this
application
as
it
stands
and
intend
to
make
a
motion,
but
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
my
fellow
Commissioners
thoughts.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
Okay,
okay:
I
will
go
ahead.
Madam
chair,
I
moved
to
approved
erh
22-00426.
M
B
Drh22-00432
Mike
Maxfield,
the
address
is
1112
North,
22nd
Street,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
second
story,
Edition
on
an
existing
non-contributing
single
story,
residence
and
a
second
story.
Addition
on
an
existing
single
story,
detached
garage
on
property
in
a
single
family,
residential
with
historic
overlay,
Zone
staff.
Can
we
get
the
report.
H
Yes,
here
is
the
site
plan
all
right
to
let
you
know
where
it
is
within
the
North
End
an
existing
home
photo
and.
H
The
rear
just
for
General
conveyance
of
the
property
and
the
garage
that
is
to
go
away
and
some
adjacent
properties
to
to
give
context.
H
H
The
is
this
is
the
original
portion
of
the
property
with
their
proposed,
and
this
is
the
original
submission
you'll
see
the
later
one
here
in
a
second.
In
fact,
I'll
go
ahead
and
advance
to
it
because,
based
on
some
feedback,
they
did
some
revisions.
One
thing
they
revised
was
the
reduction
of
two
of
the
the
road.
These
two
columns
of
solar
panels
have
been
eliminated
and
there's
been
some
slight
tweaks
and
a
slight
reduction
in
the
peak
height
there
and
they've
changed
the
porch.
H
There
was
a
second
entrance
sort
of
the
mud
room
kind
of
entrance.
That
kind
of
made
it
look
like
it
might
resemble
a
duplex
or
you
know
somehow
that's
how
the
way
that's
perceived,
and
then
they
came
back
as
with
this,
as
you
can
see,
the
reduction
of
how
you
know
how
much
further
back
those
are
and
the
the
height
is
still
High,
it's
a
two.
It's
a
two-story
partial
two-story
kind
of
rooftop
Edition.
H
It
does
set
back
a
bit
from
you
know.
The
first
part
sets
back
a
few
about
six
feet
and
then
the
other
part
is
another
six
to
eight
feet
back,
but
there's
a
general
sense
of
asymmetry,
as
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
that
is
apparent
in
this,
is
in
this
design
and
there's
some
more
and.
H
So
another
thing
that
will
be
addressed
by
the
applicant
and
maybe
others
is
they're
still
intending
to
propose
standing
seam
metal
roof,
which
is
a
material
that's
commonly
not
present,
commonly
not
present.
In
the
district
and,
as
my
report
says,
the
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standard
number,
nine,
the
the
size
scale
and
proportion
and
massing
should
be
similar
to
others
in
in
the
median
environment,
and
this
construction
has
some
incompatible.
H
Materials
features
some
of
the
size
scale
and
proportions
and
massing,
especially
the
asymmetry
aspect
of
it,
which
may
be
addressed
by
others
later
on,
doesn't
seem
to
meet
that
standard
and
our
guidelines
and
with
that
staff
recommends
denial.
B
T
Members
of
the
public
and
Commissioners
thank
you
for
taking
time
to
hear
our
petition
for
the
Maxfield
home
I'm,
the
max
Fields
residential
designer,
with
Studio
Boise
and
I've
developed
a
proposed
design
for
their
non-contributing
homes,
deep
energy
retrofit
and
addition
before
I
get
into
too
much
I
want
to
clarify
one
thing
that
the
garage
is
not
to
be
demolished.
It's
clearly
marked
on
the
plan,
so
hopefully
you
caught
that
it
is
not
meant
to
be
dimashed,
but
we
are
adding
a
second
story
onto
it.
And
do
you
have
the
oh
perfect?
T
T
If
I'm
not
sure,
if
you
can
there,
we
go
perfect.
Thank
you.
The
first
image
you
see
is
of
the
existing
Home
taken
from
the
sidewalk
about
five
months
ago.
It
is
a
single
story,
home
and
I.
Think
it's
immediately
apparent
why
this
home
is
non-contributing.
It
lacks
the
authentic
materials.
T
Thank
you
so
much
yes,
I
love
to
have
the
clicker
that's
great,
but
there
is
a
great
opportunity
when
renovating
a
non-contributing
home
to
provide
that
character
to
bring
it
into
existence.
T
T
As
numerous
neighbors
have
attested,
we
think
this
home
looks
beautiful,
that
it
fits
into
the
north
end.
It's
not
asking
to
demolish
an
existing
structure.
It's
not
asking
for
a
variance,
and
it's
not
asking
for
coverage
beyond
the
recommendations
which
is,
as
we've
seen
tonight,
very
rare.
T
The
staff
report
suggests
that
the
addition
is
inconsistent
with
historic
character
of
Craftsman
Bungalows,
but
actually
we
feel
the
design
very
harmoniously
satisfies
the
need
for
a
larger
Edition.
Our
proposal
for
adding
needed
space
and
weighing
it
on
the
back
of
the
home
is
an
effort
to
better
comply
with
the
historic
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
asymmetry.
If
you
look
at
the
the
images
on
the
right,
labeled
a
b
and
then
further
down
a
b
and
c,
these
are
examples
directly
from
the
guidelines
of
unacceptable
additions.
T
Large
two-story
boxes
with
clashing
roof,
Styles
two-story
additions
that
eliminate
the
front
masting
altogether.
The
bottom
left
shows
our
approach
to
adding
the
space
that
they
would
like
in
the
home
of
stepping
volumes
back
every
time
we
added
height
to
help
and
to
help
blend
it
in
with
the
existing
roof
lines.
T
T
Are
a
classic
Hallmark
of
Craftsman
Bungalows
that
we
see
all
over
the
North
End
like
you,
can
see
in
the
images
on
the
middle
left
side
now
adding
a
third
row
to
this
pattern
might
not
be
as
common,
but
we
see
this
actually
as
an
advantage,
because
the
asymmetrical
partial
Second
Story
of
this
home,
it
is
not
original
right.
That's
what
we're
really
wanting
to
change
and
the
historic
guidelines
tend
standards
for
rehabilitation
states
that
quote
changes
that
create
a
false
sense
of
historical
development
should
not
be
undertaken.
T
T
T
Focusing
in
on
the
height
the
total
height
was
reduced
over
the
last.
P
T
T
This
graphic
shows
layers
of
photos
taken
from
the
street
and
elevation
of
the
Maxfield's
proposed
Remodel
and
some
very
approximate
volumetric
diagrams
of
their
North
and
South
Neighbors
on
22nd
Street.
We
show
this
to
try
to
show
you
the
thought
process
that
we
were
going
through
and
how
to
get
the
extra
space
they
need
and
be
very
respectful
of
their
neighbors.
T
The
historic
guidelines
5.2.3
asked
that
the
building
quote
be
broken
up
into
smaller
segments
that
are
more
similar
to
adjacent
buildings.
Unquote,
we've
achieved
this
through
the
design
of
the
roof,
actually,
where
the
home
maintains
a
single
story
height
on
the
right
next
to
their
single
level,
neighbor,
who
is
closer
and
keeps
the
two-story
portion
only
on
the
left
side
of
the
home,
where
their
neighbors
actually
face
the
adjacent
cross
street
and
have
a
larger
rear
set
back
next
to
them.
T
T
We
actually
I
didn't
update
this
since
we
pulled
out
two
feet,
so
there
would
be
a
little
bit
more
yellow
if
we
were
to
go
back
and
measure
and
those
measurements
were
taken
with
a
Transit
from
Street
foreign,
of
course,
that
this
remodel
is
taking
a
home
from
a
single
level
to
a
partial,
two-story
home.
However,
it
just
doesn't
look
like
this
is
too
unique
in
their
District.
T
We
have
about
25
percent
of
this
two
radius
to
block
radius
that
have
homes
that
are
full
two-story
homes
or
one
and
a
half
story,
homes
that
are
within
five
feet
of
what
they're
proposing
I
know
that
The
MAX
Field
having
gone
through
this
design
process
with
them
I
know
that
they
wanted
originally,
of
course,
to
have
a
full
two-story
across
the
whole
footprint
and
I
I.
Just
hope
that
you
can
appreciate
how
much
they've
already
sacrificed
and
compromised
to
try
to
accommodate
Neighbors
that
are
next
to
them.
T
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
emphasize
that
this
three
model
is,
is
not
a
typical
remodel
for
me.
Who
does
a
lot
of
these?
It's
it's
really,
not
it's
a
deep
energy
retrofit.
T
Now
are
some
of
the
design
decisions
made
to
help
cater
around
the
on-site
energy
production
I
mean
absolutely
I.
I,
don't
think
that
climate
change
is
combated
by
sprinkling
features
over
a
building
as
an
afterthought,
it
absolutely
has
to
be
an
integral
decision,
an
integral
design
process
to
be
effective.
T
One
of
those
decisions
that
help
support
the
solar
array
is
the
black
metal
seamed
roof.
First
of
all,
the
max
Fields
they're,
they
aren't
the
only
ones
in
their
District
that
would
have
a
metal
same
roof.
There
are
a
couple
examples
on
the
bottom
right
there.
T
Just
a
couple
blocks
away
of
other
homes
with
metal
steam
drives
the
black
framed
photovoltaics
blend
with
a
black
metal
roof
much
better
than
they
do
with
an
asphalt,
shingle
or
a
composite
roof,
and
they
also,
which
is
the
biggest
reason
that
we
would
like
this
roof
material,
they're
the
best
way
to
or
the
best
surface
for
mounting
your
PVS,
because
they
don't
compromise
the
roof
structure
or
the
air
tightness
of
the
structure,
which
is
crucial
when
you're
trying
to
do
a
high
efficiency
home.
T
T
Experts
estimate
that,
during
the
lifespan
of
a
metal
roof,
one
will
run
through
and
send
two
asphalt,
shingle
roofs
to
the
landfill,
so
a
metal
roof
is
more
often
actually
recycled
at
the
end
of
its
longer
life
cycle,
and
while
this
is
our
really
strong
preference
for
roofing,
because
it
helps
so
much
in
attaching
a
solar
array,
this
is
something
that
the
max
fields
are
are
very
open
to
your
suggestions
to
stipulations
on
the
material.
It's
more
important
for
them
to
have.
The
photovolt
takes
on
the
roof
than
have
an
ideal
mounting
situation.
T
Foreign
I
hope
that
we've
sufficiently
shown
you
that
we
have
really
thoughtfully
and
respectfully
designed
this
home,
a
beautiful,
deep
energy
retrofit
for
the
historic
North
End
we've
given
a
Bland
non-contributing
home
charm,
while
providing
a
framework
that
will
meet
high
energy
production
and
efficiency.
T
We
we
really
need
the
support
of
the
stork
commission
for
projects
that
are
trying
to
produce
a
lot
of
on-site
energy,
giving
right
back
to
the
grid,
also
homes
that
are
that
are
willing
to
invest
a
lot
on
highly
efficient
metal,
clad
wood
windows
on
adding
significant
insulation,
not
just
making
a
home
look
cute,
but
really
making
a
home.
T
That's
that's
going
to
help
our
grid
over
the
next
decades
and
honestly,
as
you've
heard
multiple
times
tonight,
I'm
tired
of
seeing
homes
go
to
the
landfill
in
the
North
End
and
in
the
East
End
and
I
really
was
happy
to
know
that
they
wanted
to
well.
They
want
to
add
a
lot
to
the
home.
T
They've
been
willing
to
work
with
the
existing
structure,
try
to
keep
the
front
porch
and
a
lot
of
elements
that
it
has
and
really
I
wish
that
every
client
that
I
had
would
make
energy
production
and
efficiency
a
priority
as
a
Max
field.
Had
so
please
support
this
project
and
thank
you
for
listening.
B
U
Good
evening
my
name
is
Chelsea.
My
husband
Mike
is
here
behind
me
and
he'll
step
up.
Next,
we
are
the
owners
and
the
long-term
long-term
residents
of
this
home.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
consider
our
proposal,
we're
very
interested
in
working
with
everyone
to
meet
our
needs
and
arrive
at
a
solution
that
will
work
for
not
only
us
but
our
neighborhood.
We
are
doing
this
remodel
for
our
family
and
for
sustainability
and,
as
I
hope,
you'll
see
to
be
a
good
Steward
of
the
history
in
our
house
and
the
neighborhood.
U
This
is
not
a
frivolous
or
investment
project.
For
us
this
is
a
necessity
for
our
growing
family.
We
moved
to
the
North
End
almost
15
years
ago
and
chose
the
North
End
to
be
our
home
base.
After
falling
in
love
with
everything,
the
city,
the
Foothills
and
the
neighborhood
offers,
then
we
purchase
this
home
just
before
we
are
starting
a
family
and
it
gave
us
that
feeling
that
we
could
create
our
forever
home
here,
and
that
is
our
plan
with
more
than
50
years
in
mind.
U
In
addition
to
the
bedrooms
upstairs,
you
will
see
in
our
plans
a
bedroom
on
the
main
floor
in
the
near
future.
This
will
be
for
when
one
of
our
aging
parents
can
no
longer
live
on
their
own
and
needs
to
move
in
with
us
in
40
years
from
now,
we
plan
on
needing
to
move
into
this
bedroom
ourselves.
At
that
point,
our
kids
and
grandkids
can
fight
over
which
bedrooms
to
use
upstairs
when
they
visit
speaking
of
kids,
our
young
children
currently
share
a
room
and
our
plan.
U
We
propose
more
well-deserved
space
for
our
kids
as
they
grow
up
and
especially
needed
for
future
teenage
years,
especially
if
we
were
able
to
have
a
third
child
and
finally,
Mike
and
I
are
both
really
lucky
to
keep
our
jobs
when
covet
hit.
However,
both
of
us
are
forced
to
work
from
home,
and
this
appears
to
be
permanent.
U
V
Maxfield
1112
North
22nd
Street.
Thank
you
for
the
time
to
consider
our
project
and
thanks
Chelsea,
Noel
and
I.
Guess:
I'll
try
to
talk
quickly,
so
sorry,
I'm
an
engineer
and
a
bit
of
an
energy
nerd.
My
wife
Chelsea
is
an
environmental
scientist
as
you've
heard
we're
really
attempting
to
walk
a
tightrope
with
this
project.
You
know.
V
Meeting
our
family
needs
obviously,
is
how
this
all
started:
pulling
our
weight
to
reduce
our
long-term
impact
on
the
planet
through
both
the
PV
array
for
generation
and
also
almost
entirely
to
passive
house
levels
of
demand
reduction
for
the
entire
house.
V
And
through
doing
all
that,
preserving
almost
the
entirety
of
110
year
old
house,
both
for
the
character
and
from
the
landfill,
the
effort
and
cost
of
doing
all.
This
are
well
worth
it
to
our
family.
But
I
wanted
to
emphasize
that
to
make
these
end
meets
is
a
huge
undertaking
on
top
of
Simply
doing
a
new
construction
house
with
Standard
Building
Code.
V
We
sincerely
hope
that
you'll
value
our
keeping
the
historic
character
inside
of
the
house
and
out
of
the
landfill
and
in
doing
our
best
to
restore
the
front
facade
and
the
porch
and
generally
bring
back
the
as
close
to
the
original,
as
we
can
get
from
the
character
of
that.
As
you
may
have
read
in
our
submission,
there's
some
key
Design
Elements,
we
feel
are
very,
very
valuable
and
we'd
like
to
re-emphasize
from
the
landfill,
as
I
said,
we're
keeping
nearly
the
entire
structure
and
on
the
inside
we're
keeping
fully
half
of
the
house
completely.
V
As
is
that's
Floor
Walls
trim
ceiling,
our
staircase
is
going
to
be
using
original
vertical
grain
flooring
that
I
pulled
out
myself
out
of
a
house
down
the
street
from
1915
that
was
going
to
be
thrown
in
the
landfill
for
energy,
we're
building
a
fully
electric
comb
and
via
the
investment
in
local
generation,
when
we
are
not
able
to
use
that
full
amount
of
power
coming
off.
V
The
house
is
super
insulated
and
the
demand
year
round
is
going
to
be
less
than
half
of
what
we're
using
right
now
and
significantly
less
than
most
of
these
two
code
projects
that
are
also
coming
through
and
last
Aesthetics
the
front
and
most
Street
visible
windows.
On
the
side
are
all
in
precisely
the
same
location
using
the
proper
materials
you
know,
as
approved
for
the
period
wood
and
metal,
clad
the
original
1900s
front
door
preserved
and,
unlike
today,
it'll
be
visible
from
the
street
since
we're
restoring
the
original,
open,
porch
and
last.
V
The
entire
front
elevation
is
as
close
as
possible
to
the
original,
really
combined
with
the
setbacks
and
they'll
talk
about
keeping
the
entire
look
and
feel
the
house
as
authentic
as
we
could
make
it,
and
we
feel
you're
truly
in
keeping
with
character
of
the
North
End.
You
know
contrasting
with
just
an
new
house
and
yeah.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
T
B
Don't
think
we
have
any
questions
right
now,
but
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
rebuttal
after
we
hear
from
other
people
the
is
there
a
neighborhood
association,
that's
willing
that's
here
and
wanting
to
testify
name
and
address.
Please.
Q
Madam
chairman
and
Sandy
Herman
1404
North
7th.
We
greatly
appreciate
the
thoughtfulness
towards
green
energy
and
Energy
Efficiency
on
this
project.
The
existing
roof
line
is
open
to
the
sky
and
ideal
for
solar.
We
recommend
revisiting
putting
solar
panels
on
the
garage,
Adu
East
West
roof
line
in
order
to
extend
the
collecting
hours,
even
if
it's
shaded
for
part
of
the
day
I
know
they're
they're
because
of
changing
losing
some
of
their
array.
So
we
thought
that
that
might
be
a
partial
solution
for
them.
Q
We
appreciate
that
there's
been
an
effort
to
reduce
the
height
of
the
project,
but
we
don't
think
that
adding
nine
inches
of
soil
on
the
yard
and
the
Landscaping
will
reduce
the
appearance
of
the
height
in
comparison
to
the
other
houses
on
the
Block.
The
existing
house
is,
as
is,
is
amongst
the
tallest
on
the
Block.
Q
The
modest
one-story
homes
on
this
block
mostly
have
lower
foundations,
while
the
homeowners
have
shown
that
there
are
two
stories
nearby,
there
are
none
on
the
Block
and
the
standard
is
to
compare
projects
to
the
home's
existing
on
the
Block
in
question.
Only
there
is
a
very
diminutive
one
and
a
half
story
on
the
corner
of
this
block
across
the
street.
Q
The
height
on
this
project
could
shade
neighbors
to
the
north
and
eliminate
their
opportunity
for
a
similar
solar
energy
project.
They
have
two
houses
on
Brumback
because
of
the
way
those
houses
face
brumrac,
instead
of
instead
of
the
22nd,
so
that
there
are
two
houses
there
that
could
be
affected
by
that
on
the
North
side.
Q
In
the
past,
the
HPC
has
recommended
going
to
the
basement
for
additional
living
space.
We
recommend
that
the
homeowners
consider
this
to
reduce
the
height
of
the
project.
One
of
the
best
ways
to
reduce
your
carbon
footprint
is
to
reduce
your
living
square
footage
and
basements
proven
in
to
be
energy
efficient.
The
current
project
calls
for
an
unfinished
basement
with
the
addition
of
an
extra
door
on
the
front
of
the
house.
Q
We
wonder
if
it
was
the
intent
of
the
homeowners
to
use
the
basement
as
an
additional
private
dwelling
space
for
family
or
rental
in
the
future.
We
were
while
we
appreciate
projects
that
create
density
in
our
neighborhood.
We
also
want
to
also
need
to
acknowledge
future
possible
use
with
all
projects
and
make
sure
that
it
suits
the
neighborhood
block
and
that
parking
and
other
concerns
are
addressed,
and
we
have
received
a
good
response
from
these
homeowners.
On
our
suggestion
for
permanently
Paving
and
and
down
facing
lighting.
B
Hey,
thank
you.
Any
questions
for
the
neighborhood
association.
No
thank
you.
Sandy
I
have
three
people
signed
up
to
testify
and
we'll
go
through
these
ones
and
then,
if
there's
anybody
else
in
the
audience
or
online,
they
can
testify
afterwards.
First
up,
I
have
Phil
Norton,
hey
Bella.
If
you
could
state
your
name
and
your
address.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Phil
Norton
I'm
at
1515
North,
26th
Street.
So
that's
just
a
few
blocks
away
from
the
project,
so
my
wife
and
I
have
been
in
the
neighborhood
for
quite
a
while.
We
live
in
a
1905
Craftsman
Bungalow
at
26th
and
Hazel
a
few
years
ago.
We
completely
restored
the
exterior
and
we
we
won
a
orchid
award
for
historic
preservation
from
preservation
Idol
for
that
work.
W
So
you
know
my
wife
and
I.
We
both
have
a
keen
interest
in
keeping
our
North
End
Neighborhood,
true
to
its
roots,
while
upgrading
these
old
houses
to
Modern
standards
suitable
for
raising
children,
while
working
at
home
I
have
the
same
problem.
We
have
one
office,
my
wife
and
I,
both
work
from
home
part-time.
Fortunately,
I
worked
right
here
at
Clearwater,
so
I
can
just
zip
into
the
office
when
I
need
to,
but
oftentimes
we're
fighting
over.
W
You
know
who
gets
to
use
the
big
screens
in
the
office,
so
I
understand
what
that's
like.
You
know:
I
I,
really
like
this
house.
The
interior
is
great,
I'm,
really
happy
that
it's
not
just
getting
thrown
into
the
landfill
and
starting
over
with
something
that
looks
like
it
belongs
in
Meridian
I.
Think
this
house
looks
great
I
think
it
fits
right
in
with
the
neighborhood.
W
It's
an
aesthetic
Improvement
to
the
existing
non-contributing
home
brings
it
more
in
line
with
the
predominant
craftsman
style
of
the
neighborhood
they're,
opening
up
half
the
original
porch
and
upgrading
the
original
sorry,
the
aluminum
windows
to
the
true
north
and
style.
It's
just
like
many
neighborhoods
and
many
neighborhood
homes,
including
my
own.
W
The
project
retains
and
upgrades
the
existing
facade,
while
echoing
the
brackets
supported
overhanging
roof
Cable
in
the
larger
Edition
behind
it.
This
is
quite
typical
of
many
nearby
houses.
Just
a
block
away,
you'll
see
one
that
looks
very
very
similar
and
I
can
I
can
bring
up
some
pictures
if
you're
interested
sure
but
I
got
some
pictures
of
the
you
know
my
homes.
W
Okay,
so,
regarding
the
size
of
the
proposed
home,
I
mean
it's.
You
know
it's
full
two
stories,
it's
taller
than
its
neighbors.
It's
not
unusual
for
the
area.
My
house
is
the
only
house,
that's
bigger
than
one
story
on
its
block
and
it's
been
that
way
for
117
years,
so
I
don't
think
that
it
doesn't
belong
on
the
Block.
W
It
was
the
first
one
if
you
just
take
a
walk
around
the
neighborhood
you're,
going
to
see
a
whole
lot
of
20
a
lot
of
large
two-story
homes,
even
in
blocks
that
don't
have
two-story
homes.
Just
at
the
end
of
22nd
Street
you're
going
to
see
a
1955
Craftsman,
that's
a
21-27
Ellis!
It's
a
full
two
stories.
It's
got
a
huge
solar
panel
array
on
the
Southeast
roof
and
it's
nestled
along
among
a
bunch
of
single-story
bungalows.
W
Suffice
to
say
just
to
you
know,
one
block
away
a
few
blocks
away
even
down
the
street
on
22nd
there's
a
lot
of
houses
that
have
been
added
onto
from
the
original
small
houses.
Oh
I'm,.
B
Y
You
Mike
woodering
1101,
North,
22nd
Street,
my
wife
and
I
own,
a
home.
That's
a
one
story:
I'm,
not
sure
I
understood
the
comment
about
not
being
on
the
same
block,
we're
on
the
same
street.
So
across
the
street.
Two
houses
down
corner
of
Eastman
and
22nd
I
did
file
written
testimony
and
support,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
that
we
appreciate
the
time,
expense
and
effort
they
put
into
a
restaurant
restoration
as
well
as
Improvement.
Y
B
X
My
interest
here
is
the
preservation
of
the
North
End
and
just
as
important
is
keeping
here
as
many
young
families,
as
we
have
here
now,
and
getting
some
more
I
bring
no
technical
expertise.
I
really
want
to
talk
about
the
people.
I
consider
the
max
fields
to
be
in
a
class
of
neighbors
who
need
who
we
need
and
want
to
keep
here.
They
are
friendly,
always
willing
to
help.
Neighbors
we've
lived
in
the
North
End
for
eight
years.
I
walked
two
and
a
half
two
to
five
miles
a
day.
P
X
Walking
path
with
the
dogs
I
see
our
neighborhood
up
close
and
personal
every
day.
Seen
a
lot
of
changes
in
the
last
few
years.
Some
not
good
A
lot
of
people
moving
out
of
the
North
End
homes
too
small
and
expensive.
Then
we
have
the
investment
funds
buying
homes.
We
have
more
rentals
absentee
owners,
airbnbs
that
are
increasing
in
our
neighborhood
remodels.
X
X
Do
they
tear
down
and
build
a
whole
new
house?
Do
they
go
up,
which
is
what
they
chose
to
do
or
I
think
it
was
mentioned,
could
go
down
any
parent.
At
least
me
especially
will
tell
you
you
don't
want
to
go
down.
You
cannot.
You
must
hear
your
children,
you
can't
hear
downstairs.
We
have
a
whole
full
downstairs.
I
can't
hear
anything
down
there,
you
want
them
above
you,
you
want
to
hear.
X
What's
going
on,
you
want
to
go
up,
I,
don't
know
anybody
that
wants
to
go
down
with
young
boys
or
young
girls,
our
biggest
fear,
my
wife
and
I
is
we
will
lose
these
two
couple
and
their
family
as
as
Neighbors
I
looked
at
their
plans.
I
heard
their
passion
for
preservation
from
both
of
them.
This
was
not
just
two
people
talking.
X
They
are
committed
to
preserve
and
keep
as
much
out
of
landfill
as
possible.
You've
heard
that
tonight,
I
was
not
actually
aware
of
their
background.
So
I
can
understand.
I
have
wrote,
stewards
of
the
environment,
they
are
what's
not
to
like
here
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
and
Beyond
I
got
an
update
this
this
morning
from
the
max
fields
and
I
respectfully
say
they
have
demonstrated
cooperation
to
change
while
still
maintaining
a
space
that
will
meet
their
needs,
along
with
their
concerns
for
the
historical
preservation
and
conservation.
X
When
it's
done,
I
expect
to
walk
down
the
street
and
look
at
this
home
and
say
it
belongs
here.
That's
how
I
feel
about
this
home
and
their
presentation
I.
Ask
that
the
historical
commission.
Please
allow
this
good
for
the
neighborhood
family
and
stewards
of
our
environment
to
remain
here.
By
approving
the
revised
plans
before
you
tonight
now,
I
will
admit:
I
jumbled,
because
I
heard
about
the
three-minute
delay.
B
B
Thank
you
all
right.
Anybody
else
from
the
audience
wishing
to
testify
on
this
project
or
online
no
hearing
none
will
have.
The
applicant
can
come
back
for
rebuttal
and
you
can
touch
on
any
of
the
points
that
you've
heard.
T
Martinez
two
three
one
Warm
Springs
Avenue
Boise
Idaho
83712.
Thank
you.
I
want
to
just
address
a
couple.
Things
mentioned
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunities
that
they
were
brought
up
so
that
we
can
address
them.
One
of
adding
photovolt
takes
to
the
garage
roof.
It
does
face
East
and
West.
You
can
still
get
some
gain
from
that
normally,
but
we
have
a
really
gorgeous
tree
that
blossoms
right
next
to
the
garage
and
they
don't
want
to
eliminate
any
of
the
large
trees.
T
There's
another
one
further
south
that
pretty
much
puts
the
garage
roof
in
significant
shade.
So
it's
unfortunately
doesn't
help
with
the
solar
array
and
was
not
a
recommendation
from
their
solar
provider
when
he
analyzed
it
with
the
height
I.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that.
T
Let's
see
the
South
neighbor
currently
that
that
home
is
actually
a
little
bit
taller
than
the
existing
home,
but
I
mean
it's
a
kind
of
a
moot
point
because
of
course
we're
adding
height
to
the
building
they
want.
They
do
need
more
space,
but
that
there
are
some
homes
that
are
already
taller
than
than
what
they
have
right.
Now.
It's
also
the
home
kitty
corner
Northwest
of
where
they
are
that
was
highlighted
on
that
map
earlier
I
just
want
to
emphasize
also
just
that
it.
E
T
So
appreciate
their
neighbors,
so
many
of
them
being
in
support
their
neighbor
I
think
immediately
to
the
South.
Is
the
street
right
have
both
written
in
their
approval
of
it?
I
think
they
have
a
lot
of
their
neighbors
very
excited
and
actually
the
one
letter
opposed
was
opposed
to
some
structural
concerns.
You
know
of
Joyce
type
and
things
like
that,
but
but
actually
mentioned
in
their
opposing
letter,
that
they
really
liked
the
aesthetic
of
the
home
and
thought
it
looked
great
Inlet
street.
V
Mike
Maxfield
11
12
North,
22nd
Street.
It
should
be
super
quick
just
about
some
of
the
previous
comments.
The
house
directly
across
and
maybe
slightly
diagonal
from
us
is
three
or
four
feet
within
three
or
four
feet
from
our
proposed
height,
the
house,
across
directly
across
the
alley
from
us,
is
four
feet
taller
and
you
know,
Noel's
map
showed
the
houses
around.
There
are
numerous
houses,
you
know
very
close
to
us
that
are
within
the
same
height
or
taller,
and
just
on
our
exact
block.
V
B
B
M
I
have
a
quick
question:
Richard
the
site
design
the
totals
are
supposed
to
equal
100,
correct
the
site
design
the
totals
are
supposed
to
equal
100.
Is
that
correct?
Yes?
Okay?
So
this
one
equals
95.
I
did
my
math
correctly,
which
I'm
not
a
math.
E
T
Could
it
be
the
the
front
porch
That's
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
it
in
there,
because
the
as
Nina
have
pointed
out
the
front
porch
doesn't
count
towards
the
buildings
coverage.
That
might
be
where
the
missing
is
coming
from.
H
Yes,
but,
as
you
say,
the
yeah,
the
devoted
to
building
plus
yeah,
all
all
three
of
those
together
should
equal
100.
So
there's
just
a
little
error
somewhere
in
those
numbers
percent
of
the
side.
H
Yes,
so
I
I
would
say
that
the
existing
and
proposed
the.
W
H
Far
as
what's
devoted
square
footage,
I
think
that
we
do
have
a
35
to
34-35
is
accurate
and
somewhere
else
in
there.
I
may
have
just
done
some
numbers
wrong,
but
I
have
pretty
good
faith
in
the
definitely
in
the
building
coverage.
Staying
within
the
35
percent
is,
is
I
I
cross
check
that
carefully,
but
somewhere
else
in
these
numbers
between
I
guess
between
the
original
submissions
and
maybe
slight
changes.
H
I
Could
I
just
have
no
wall
follow
up
to
that?
Can
you
confirm
that
roughly
the
footprint
hasn't.
T
B
M
I'll
start
off
I
agree
with
the
staff's
findings
of
denial
for
this
application.
I
do
appreciate
that
all
the
effort
to
make
it
you
know
a
green
house.
I
really
do
appreciate
that
sort
of
my
biggest
complaints
that
we
don't
see
enough
of
that
when
we're
doing
new
construction
or
somewhat
new
construction.
I.
Think
for
me,
the
overall
height
of
29
feet.
Seven
inches
is
a
large
oops.
No,
what
is
it
27
feet?
M
Okay,
that's
still
a
pretty
tall
house
27
feet,
11
inches
and
then
also
the
metal
roof
is
a
hard
no
for
me.
So
I
don't
know.
M
If
exploring
the
basement
option
is
something
that
you
can
do
or
you
know
reducing
square
or
not
square
footage,
but
the
height
somewhere
else,
but
it's
the
overall
height
of
the
building
really
gives
me
heartburn
and
the
metal
roof
really
gives
me
heartburn
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
standards
as
outlined
in
the
the
staff
report
and
walking
through
the
North
End
just
recently
for
the
home
tour.
M
B
The
applicant
said
that
they
would
be
flexible
on
the
roofing
material.
Okay,
I
want
to
say,
I
really
like
this
project.
I
feel
like
we
hear
a
lot
of
green
washing,
and
you
know
this
is
a
sustainable
project
with
a
bunch
of
things
that
aren't
sustainable.
But
this
one,
you
are,
you
know
developing
within
a
neighborhood,
so
we
already
have
the
road
infrastructure.
We
already
have
the
utilities
in
place.
B
You
know
we
see
these
creative
projects
developed
outside
of
cities
because
that's
where
our
code
allows
them
for,
but
really
if
we
want
to
be
sustainable,
we
need
to
develop
within
the
neighborhoods
that
are
already
established
and
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
the
future
and
what
the
city's
goals
are
like.
These
are
the
types
of
projects
that
we
want
to
see.
We
want
to
see
preservation,
we
want
to
see
things
out
of
the
landfill
and
we
want
to
do.
B
You
know
use
technology
moving
forward
better
than
we
have
in
the
past
to
be
more
sustainable,
I,
it's
unpopular
opinion
I,
don't
mind
the
metal
roof,
especially
because
of
the
reasons
you've
given
I
think
that
the
height,
maybe
is
a
little
problematic,
but
I
also
appreciate
that
you
have
done
your
work
within
your
neighborhood
and
that
the
people
who
are
living
here
and
established
here
are
coming
forward
and
saying
that
they
approve
of
this
project
and
I
feel
like
that.
Does
carry
weight.
I
Manager,
yeah
I
think
firstly,
I
want
to
say
what
beautiful
touching
testimony
that
was
from
your
neighbors,
because,
ultimately,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
those
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
interacting
with
you
forming
your
community
and
it
is
not
common
to
see
people
say
things
like
that,
so
I
think
that's
wonderful.
I
I
I
R
In
support
of
your
your
really
good
efforts
to
to
work
with
the
existing
structure
and
and
and
not
just
scrape
it
and
start
again,
I
appreciate
how
well
it
is,
it
is
tall.
I,
do
appreciate,
pushing
the
taller
portions
back
from
the
front
of
the
property.
I
think
that
that
helps
quite
honestly,
one
of
my
my
biggest
and
the
metal
roof
I
I
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
appropriate
either
as
something
that's.
That's
not
appropriate.
R
I
think
one
of
my
biggest
Hang-Ups,
as
as
the
new
guy
on
the
commission,
is
just
the
large
slab
of
roof
that
is
on
that
south
facing
side
with
the
solar
array
and
and
I
appreciate
exactly
why
you
know
you're
doing
that
to
maximize
that
that
area
it.
The
overall
form,
is
a
little
bit
awkward
with
that.
But
I
I,
don't
know
that.
That's
enough
for
me
to
then
support
and
denial.
R
I
I
mean
maybe
maybe
not
emotion
for
me
yet,
but
continuing
the
discussion.
We're
voting
on
the
plans
that
are
in
front
of
us
right
now
and
yeah
I,
don't
I,
don't
know.
I
also
have
lots
of
lots
of
words
jumbling
in
my
head.
Maybe
commissioner
Pape
has
something
to
add.
L
Madame
commissioner
or
Madam
chair
I,
do
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
have
been
said.
I
also,
some
of
my
qualms
do
pertain
to
the
shape
of
the
front
elevation.
L
I
do
find
that
a
bit
awkward
in
the
in
the
large
slab
of
roof.
Well,
not
self-relation
I,
have
to
agree
with
I.
Do
have
some
issues
with
the
height
as
well,
but
I
really
I
really
do
respect.
What
has
been
done
here
and
I'm
very
excited
to
know
that
this
kind
of
stuff
is
happening
in
our
own.
L
So
I
really
do
give
kudos
to
that.
I.
Think
as
like,
like
many
of
us
here,
I'm
very
I'm,
very
torn
I'm,
very
torn
and
I
have
a
lot
of
thoughts,
but
I'm
excited
about
it.
I
think
we
just
a
lot
of
discussion
would
be
necessary
for
me
to
get
on
board
completely.
M
Madam
chair:
can
we
potentially
defer
this
to
next
month
and
have
them
work
with
staff
on
a
couple
of
elements.
B
I
think
we'd
need
to
come
up
with
specific
things
that
we
want
them
to
work
on
and
I
think.
We
also
need
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
non-contributing
structure,
and
so
the
fact
that
they're,
keeping
it
I
think
is,
is
important
to
acknowledge
and
that
they're
working
with
what
they
have
when
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
staff.
Do
you
have
thoughts
on.
H
The
result
of
what
you
see
today
is
based
on
an
initial
consultation
that
we
had
staff
had
with
the
applicants
based
on
the
prior
submittal.
So
these
changes
are
the
changes
that
have
already
been
met.
I
cannot
speak
to
what
the
applicants
are
willing
to
do
to
further
that
and
to
consider
your
recommendations
of
either
the
potential
of
a
basement
alternative
or
what
they
could
possibly
do
to
reduce
the
massing.
H
But
there
is
that
potential
and
the
applicant
can
give
further
evidence
of
willingness
to
make
some
revisions
and
come
come
back
to
maybe
to
the
next
meeting,
with
a
substantially
revised
plan
that
addresses
the
the
solar,
the
the
quantity
of
south
facing
slope,
the
solar
issue
potentially,
and
they
may
be
able
to
produce
something
for
the
February
meeting.
That
is
more
in
keeping
with
what
we're
looking
for.
V
Course,
Mike
Maxfield,
11,
12,
North,
22nd,
Street
I
really
appreciate
the
feedback.
Certainly
a
few
of
those
things
we've
heard
before
I
think
plenty
has
been
said
about
the
metal
roof.
We
thought
it
was
ecologically
beneficial.
It
clearly
is
not
the
right
idea.
So,
as
we
said
in
the
presentation,
we're
okay,
not
doing
that
right,
I
think
that's
an
easy
regarding
the
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
regarding
the
the
mass
of
the
of
the
roof
face
itself.
V
We
actually
went
through
this
and
you
know
from
Simply
our
family
needs,
and
this
part
is
Irrelevant
for
the
you
know
basically
demand
reduction
side
of
the
Energy
Efficiency.
We
would
love
more
space
in
the
upper
way
to
do
a
ton
of
work
with
five
foot
ceiling
and
trying
to
shift
that
mass
away
from
our
next
door.
Neighbor,
who
has
a
yard
right
there?
Who,
incidentally,
is
one
of
our
you
know-
support
letters
on
the
record
we
considered
dormers
on
that
side,
which
a
flat
Dormer
would
work
just
fine
with
the
solar
we
need.
V
We
did
not
do
that
because
it
reduces
the
overall
mass
of
the
house
and
we
were
able
to
find
a
way
to
constrain
the
square
footage
on
the
upper
story
enough
that
we
didn't
have
to
do
it
and,
like
Noel
said,
with
the
large
setbacks
on
our
neighbors
to
the
north,
just
just
no
matter
what
we
did:
keeping
the
facade
and
making
the
addition.
It
ends
up
with
semi-symmetry
and
we
just
didn't
add,
add
more
mass
where
we
didn't
need
it
now.
V
V
Respectfully,
we've
spent
years
trying
to
find
a
way
that
we
can
keep
the
house
and
get
what
we
need
and
we
have.
We
do
a
bunch
of
DIY
an
engineer
with
lots
of
projects.
Our
basement
is
already
a
three-quarter
basement
and
it's
it's
in
use,
that's
an
impossibility.
Unfortunately,
so
yeah
I
mean
obviously
the
Dormer
stuff.
You
could
add
that
as
a
contingency
we're
happy
to
comply,
but
that's
totally
up
to
you
guys
and
then
I
think
the
roof
has
already
settled
right.
Okay,.
V
B
If
it's
like
new
information,
that's
going
to
help
us
make
the
decision.
That's
fine!
If
it's
just
like
a
compelling
argument,
we're
probably
through
that
okay
I
think
we're
probably
through
that
portion.
But
thank
you
okay.
So
it
sounds
like
we're
voting
tonight.
R
Foreign,
like
a
fairly
large
risk
in,
in
my
view,
and
not
to
design
from
the
bench
but
yeah
I,
don't
think
I
would
be
comfortable
in
doing
that.
Okay,.
M
I,
just
have
a
couple
more
comments.
I
feel
like
there's,
some
I
really
wish.
They
would
go
back
because
I
feel
like
there's
some
areas
where
they
can
just
improve
design.
There's
a
lot
of
things.
Looking
at
the
floor
plan
a
sitting
room,
a
lounge,
a
living
room
I
just
feel
like
there's
some
things
where
they
could
bring
in
like
where
they
could
convert
certain
rooms
to
other
rooms
so
that
we're
not
getting
that
height
and
that's
really
where
my
concern
is,
is
the
height
and
I
think
there
is
wiggle
room
in
their
design.
M
They
might
not
get
everything
they
want
and
they're
in
their
house,
but
I
feel
like
to
meet
the
standards
for
new
construction,
which
is
what
we're
looking
for
and
what
Richard
has
done.
This
analysis
and
come
up
with
a
denial
for
I
feel
like
there
is.
There
is
wiggle
room
in
the
design
to
improve
it,
maybe
not
get
everything
you
want,
but
get
the
things
that
you
need.
We
have
to
think
about
what
our
wants
are
and
what
our
needs
are.
So
what
do
you
need?
And
what
do
you
want
so.
B
Our
places
to
vote
on
the
design
they
could
fill
their
house
with
bouncy
balls
and
it's
none
of
our
business
right,
and
so,
however,
they
want
to
use
the
space
it's
how
they
want
to
use
the
space.
This
is
the
design
that
we're
going
to
vote
on
so
I
think
you
know
they
put
it
Forward
they're
defending
it.
We
need
to
decide
if
we're
going
to
have
permit
or
deny
it.
I
I
really
don't
want
to
Second
this
I,
really
don't
I'm.
Looking
at
standard
number,
nine
per
soft
bindings
and
I
feel
like
there
still
is
opportunity
for
the
applicant,
as
commissioner
Moy
said,
to
take
it
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
make
it
compatible
with
historic
materials,
feature
size,
scale
and
proportion
and
massing
to
protect
the
Integrity
of
the
property
in
its
environment.
I
I
There's
so
much
potential
here,
and
this
could
be
a
property
that
really
does
set
a
positive
precedent
in
the
neighborhood
and
in
the
district
for
being
a
truly
green
energy
friendly
home
I.
Just
I
don't
feel
comfortable
denying
the
project,
as
is
but
I,
don't
feel
comfortable.
I
Approving
the
project,
as
is
so
I
I,
know
that
we
don't
like
to
defer,
but
I
would
I
would
move
to
defer
the
project.
I
In
that
case,
I
would
move
to
defer
and
give
the
applicant
some
direction
in
what
we're
looking
for
to
decrease
the
massing
decrease
the
height,
if
possible,
and
let's
see
so
according
to
Steph's
findings,
mass
and
form
the.
I
The
roof
and
the
facade
of
the
form
being
asymmetrical
may
be
an
issue
with
making
the
overall
design
work,
but
I
think
revisiting
that,
and
maybe
that
South
elevation,
somehow
foreign.
I
I
I
I
think
with
that
removing
the
metal
roof
and
somehow
working
on
that
scale
and
proportion
I
I
would
like
to
see
this
come
back.
F
Yes,
Madam
chair
just
a
point
of
order
when
a
motion
fails
to
get
a
second,
it
just
dies
on
the
floor,
so
there's
no
need
to
withdraw
and
then
it
would
just
need
to
be
a
formal
motion
put
forward
for
a
second
okay.
I
I
M
E
N
B
All
right,
it's
been
five
minutes
and
it
seems
like
we
are
all
back,
so
we
will
resume
with
our
meeting
next
on.
Our
agenda
is
drh22-00450
Don
Jerome.
The
address
is
1516
North,
15th
Street
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
modify
the
materials
on
a
previously
approved
new
single-family
residence
in
a
single
family,
residential
and
historic
overlay.
Zone
Steph
can
we
have
the
report.
B
H
H
Microphone,
oh
sorry,
Start,
Over,
green
yep,
very
good,
sorry
about
that.
This
is
the
site
of
the
property.
This
is
the
original
drh
22-0010
elevations
and
the
this
is
the
modified
elevation
and
you
can.
You
will
see
that
there's
an
area,
that's
brick
at
the
front
to
the
left,
and
that
has
an
email.
That's
attached
to
the
packet
was
in
the
packet
and
is
attached
to
this
presentation
indicating
that
staff
thought
that
was
appropriate.
H
The
issue
at
hand
is
that
the
siding
material
is
was
conditioned
to
be
smooth
and
it
shows
current.
The
current
situation
is
that
it
is
a
textured
material
and
the
windows
that
were
installed.
The
original
condition
said
that
the
mutton
should
be.
You
know
on
the
exterior
face,
and
this
one
has
I
believe
interior
only
muttons.
H
Here's,
a
the
staff
email
that
that
makes
the
brick
really
not
part
of
the
question
here
is
just
the
incompatibility
of
the
materials
used
for
the
siding
and
the
windows
and
here's
the
condition
from
the
original
drh.
H
That
shows
that
you
know
the
materials
that
were
meant
to
be
used,
and
here
are
some
photos
that
show
you
know
the
look
of
the
textured
siding
and
the
windows
you
can
see
from
the
reflection,
especially
from
that
photo
that
it
is
maybe
an
intermediate,
but
maybe
just
an
interior
mutton,
but
definitely
not
an
exterior.
And
my
analysis
is
basically
what
I
just
went
over.
But
and
that's
the
issue
at
hand
and
with
that
the
staff
recommends
denial.
M
Any
questions
for
staff
I
have
a
question
for
Steph.
Was
this
a
code
compliance
violation
that
was
submitted
to.
A
G
My
name
is
Don
Jerome
with
d2s
construction.
My
address
is
15050
10th
Avenue,
Circle,
Caldwell
Idaho.
G
G
I
have
built
and
renovated
over
50
homes
in
the
Treasure
Valley
last
year
alone,
I'm
an
interior
designer
and
I've
worked
on
the
North
End
homes.
For
about
seven
years,
I
I
have
worked
tirelessly
in
his
home
and
I
want
to
give
a
kudos
to
Josh
Wilson,
because
I
have
called
and
asked
for
his
guidance
along
the
way
and
he's
been
very
helpful.
Every
material
decision
made
in
this
Edition
has
been
properly
run
by
the
city
of
Boise
permitting
and
the
historical
to
meet
the
historical
compliance
from
the
start
of
this
project.
G
We
received
approval
from
the
historical
Commission
in
February
of
2022,
and
we
subsequently
received
permits
from
the
city
of
Boise
I
do
understand.
The
reason
why
we
are
here
tonight
is
primarily
to
discuss
one
of
the
three
items
that
might
be
of
interest.
The
first
is
regarding
the
sighting
that
was
placed
on
the
home
as
required
and
as
reflected
on
the
approved
plans.
We
installed
Hardy
siding
on
the
exterior
walls.
G
Although
the
approved
plans
called
for
smooth
Hardy
Society,
my
materials
vendor,
unfortunately
delivered
Tech
your
sighting
instead,
which
was
completely
wrapped
and
covered
up
upon
delivery
on
the
job
site.
The
siding
was
delivered
on
November
11th
and
my
crew
began
installing
the
material
on
November,
15th,
November,
11th
I,
think
was
a
Friday
November
12th
I,
unfortunately
became
seriously
ill
and
was
in
the
hospital
and
I
was
out
for
some
time.
I
was
in
constant
communication
with
my
crew.
G
G
However,
over
three
quarters
of
the
house
is
installed
because
the
guys
were,
are,
you
know
quite
efficient
I
am
we
are
going
to
be
fixing
the
window
issue?
Then
pellet
windows
installed
interior
grids
on
those
and
they
are
going
to
come
back
and
install
exterior.
So
that
problem
has
already
been
addressed.
G
The
sighting
is
a
much
much
bigger
deal
because,
like
I
said,
three
quarters
of
the
home
is
already
installed
with
the
Hardy
siding
you
know,
I
did
just
to
do.
My
due
diligence.
I
went
around
for
a
two
block
for
two
blocks
on
15th
Street,
just
to
kind
of
look
at
what
some
of
the
homes
have.
G
Now
we
didn't
choose
to
do,
textured
siding
because
of
this,
because
we
really
did
call
out
smooth
siding
on
the
plans,
as
you
can
probably
see,
and
of
the
15
homes
that
I
took
pictures
of.
G
G
I
am
definitely
addressing
the
interior
grids.
Pella
is
going
to
take
care
of
that
and
within
probably
a
month
that
problem
will
be
taken
care
of,
but
the
sighting
again
is
a
much
bigger
deal
had
I
not
been
in
the
situation
that
I
was
in
medically
I.
Would
have
been
there,
unfortunately
I,
that's
not
what
the
case
is,
so
we
are
going
to
be
putting
new
siding
on
the
garage
and
I
am
going
to
definitely
be
putting
smooth
siding
on,
but
I'm
just
asking.
G
If
there's
a
way
that
we
can
leave
the
texture
siding,
as
is
I,
have
I've
done
a
lot
to
this
home.
G
That
is,
has
not
been
required
by
the
historical
district
and
I've
listed
some
of
them
in
the
letter
that
I
that
I
that
I
attached
on
on
all
of
the
soffits
they're
24
inches,
which
would
be
very
much
what
historically,
in
that
era,
what
a
home
would
have
been
instead
of
a
standard
16
inch,
the
fascia,
instead
of
having
it
straight
up
and
down
I,
did
it
at
an
angle
with
at
a
considerable
cost
to
my
homeowner,
but
that
again
is
something
historically
that
a
traditional
Craftsman
that
era
of
home
would
have
had
also
in
trimming
around
the
windows.
G
The
windowsills
we
put
down
at
an
angle
also
because
again
that
would
meet
something
that
historically,
they
would
have
done
back.
Then
I've
just
taken
a
lot
of
care
and
time
and
effort
to
make
sure
we're
good
neighbors
and
we
do
what
is
appropriate
for
the
historical
district.
I
think
it's
very
important.
G
This
is
an
unfortunate
situation.
It
certainly
was
not
done
purposefully,
as
you
could
see.
If
you
went
by
the
house,
I
have
stopped
the
installation
of
the
siding,
and
you
know
until
we
could
have
this
meeting
and
I
hope
that
you
can
see
past
that,
and
let
us
keep
that
sighting
on
the
house
as
is
and
know
that
when
we
do
the
garage,
we
will
definitely
be
installing
that
smooth
siding
that
was
required.
I
G
Q
Madam
chairwoman,
Sandy
Herman
1404
North
7th
Nina,
would
like
to
remind
all
our
neighbors
that
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
a
legal
and
binding
document
and
that
contractors
are
obligated
to
use
the
materials
agreed
upon.
We
are
concerned
not
only
for
the
correct
and
appropriate
materials
are
used,
but
also
about
waste
when
and
if
these
changes
have
to
be
mitigated
and
brand
new
materials
are
sent
to
landfills.
Q
B
Thank
you,
yeah
any
questions
for
Sandy.
No,
all
right!
Thank
you
with
that,
we'll
open
it
up
to
public
testimony.
I!
Don't
have
anybody
on
this
sheet.
Is
anybody
present
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
testify
as
part
of
this
project
know
how
about
online
all
right?
It
looks
like
we
have
some
online.
B
Z
My
name
is
Paul
Boyce
1514,
North,
15th
Street.
Z
I
just
live
south
of
this
house,
and
you
know
just
listening
to
everything.
Tonight:
it's
been
kind
of
eye-opening,
you
know
the
the
scrutiny
your
commission
puts
on,
you
know
additions
and
new
and
new
homes
and
new
and
new
construction-
and
you
know
I
I,
guess
I
missed
the
boat
on.
You
know
how
these
plans
were
approved
to
begin
with,
because
you
know
this
house
is
it's
just
I,
just
I
just
doesn't
belong
in
the
North
End
I
mean
it's
a
monstrosity
really
it.
You
know
it
totally
covers
our
backyard.
Z
We
have
no
privacy
anymore.
The
bedrooms
look
right
into
our.
You
know
our
well.
The
the
Upper
Floor
looks
right
into
our
bedroom,
but,
regardless
of
all
that,
the
plans
were
approved,
I
get
it
but
seriously
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
how
those
plans
were
approved
to
begin
with,
but
but
if
anything
else
is
going
to
detract
from
the
historic
nature
of
that
house
which
it
has
the
hero,
in
my
opinion,
I
just
don't
think
the
commission
should
have
should
give
exceptions.
Z
I
mean
at
least
you
know,
hold
the
contractor
accountable
and
and
make
her.
You
know
put
the
right
siding
up
that
belongs
in
the
neighborhood,
even
though
the
house
itself
is
just
in
my
opinion,
doesn't
belong
anywhere
near
in
the
North
End,
maybe
Meridian,
but
not
the
North
End.
So
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Will
Sanchez
1516
North
13th.
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
here.
So
you
know
overall,
the
I
I
think
the
house
looks
really
great.
You
know,
I
know
the
kind
of
work
that
Don
Jerome
puts
into
her
homes
and
I've
and
I've
seen
other
work
that
she's
done,
and
that
was
that's.
You
know
I,
think,
that's
why
you
know
she
should
be
committed
with
the
work
that
she's
done
here.
P
I
know
that
she
takes
great
care
with
the
materials
that
she
selects
and
she
does
her
best
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
district
and
also
work
with.
You
know,
folks
like
Josh
Wilson
and
the
City
of
Boise.
So
you
know
from
from
a
distance.
The
house
looks
great,
you
know
the
the
sighting.
You
can't
really
tell
if
it's
smooth
or
textured
when
you
know
when
you're
at
the
street
level,
but
you
could
tell
that
it
was
placed
in
professionally.
P
It
does
add
the
appropriate
character
to
the
home
and
it
was
done
with
great
care.
So
you
know
I
I,
think
having
that
hearty
material,
you
know
is
good
because
it's
going
to
last
as
well,
you
know
I
think
a
lot
of
the
homes
as
John
was
saying
previously,
a
lot
of
the
homes
have
either
metal
or
vinyl
siding,
and
when
you
take
a
look
at
the
windows,
you
know
those
have
issues
as
well.
P
So
you
know
I
thought
the
the
representation
of
the
photographs
of
the
15
homes
gave
indication
that
not
all
the
homes
are
currently
complying
with
with
the
guidelines
that
are
set
by
the
district.
So
you
know
I
I
would
be
in
favor
to
keep
the
material
installed
as
is,
and
so
you
know-
that's,
that's
all
I
wanted
to
contribute
here,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
B
Thank
you,
Mr
Sanchez.
Do
we
have
another
online,
all
right
and
I?
Don't
think
we
have
anybody
else
to
speak.
The
applicant
does
have
five
minutes
of
rebuttal
time,
so
she's
still
online.
Yes,
yes,
thank
you.
If
you
could
just
name
state
your
name
and
address
again
and
then
you
can
have
your
payment,
it's.
G
Don
Jerome
and
address
is
15050
10th,
Avenue,
Circle,
Caldwell,
Idaho
and
I
do
appreciate
the
neighbors
we
have.
We
have
been
I
have
worked
diligently
to
be
a
good
neighbor
during
this
process,
and
you
know
it's
always
hard
to
have
construction
and
I
can
totally
appreciate
that
next
to
your
home,
but
I
do
want
to
reassure
you.
We
have
worked
very
hard
at
that.
G
We
have
met
every
other
guideline.
Like
I
said.
The
windows
are
definitely
going
to
be
taken
care
of
and
and
that,
like
I
said
that
should
be
within
a
month
that
that
happens,
but
the
siding
it
would
have
not
happened.
It's
not
I
was
not
being
negligent
again.
I
did
order
the
the
correct
and
had
it
on
the
plans,
the
correct
sighting.
It
was
Hardy,
but
it
was
definitely
defined
as
smooth
it's
an
unfortunate
situation.
G
We
would
be
putting
a
massive
amount
of
siding
into
the
landfill
and
I
want
to.
You
really
cannot
tell
a
difference.
That's
not
an
excuse.
You
cannot
tell
a
difference
from
the
street
side
honestly.
If
we
did
real
wood
siding,
it
would
be
textured
and
I.
G
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
difference
there,
however
I
you
know,
my
request
is
just
because
we
do
have
literally
three
quarters
of
the
house,
maybe
a
bit
more
cited
already.
If
we
can
leave
the
siding
that
is
on
there
and
then
anything
else
that
we
do
on
the
property
which
would
be
the
garage
would
definitely
be
the
smooth
siding
to
meet
the
requirements.
G
Some
of
the
neighbors
that
did
have
a
concern
with
it
even
on
their
homes.
They
don't
have
the
correct
sighting.
The
neighbor
right
beside
us
has
metal
siding
the
original
home
that
we
started
with
had
metal
siding.
G
B
Thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
questions
for
the
applicant
or
for
staff
before
we
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing?
No
all
right,
Don.
Thank
you.
So
much
with
that,
I
will
open
it
up
to
either
a
motion
or
discussion
from
the
commissioners.
M
It's
unfortunate
that
she
was
sick,
but
I
support,
staff's
recommendations
of
denial
because
it's
probably
going
to
happen
again.
We
see
it
all
the
time
in
the
historic
district,
so
I
think
we
have
to
put
our
foot
down.
I
Manager,
just
to
Echo
off
of
commissioner
Malloy,
our
districts
absolutely
do
have
houses
with
inappropriate
materials
on
them
because
of
mistakes
like
this
or
negligence,
or
you
know,
we've
allowed
exceptions
in
situations
like
this,
and
so
they
do
exist.
I
But
you
know
if
we
continue
to
allow
things
like
this
to
happen.
This
is
going
to
be
all
over
the
district
and
people
are
going
to
try
to
use
it
to
justify
their
new
applications
coming
forward.
Both
17
of
my
neighbors
have
this
type
of
window
or
this
type
of
sighting,
and
so
why
can't
I?
Have
it
too,
and
it
really
is
unfortunate.
I
I
would
suggest
the
applicant
reach
out
to
the
manufacturer,
wherever
she
has,
that
PO
deciding
and
have
them
try
to
figure
it
out
in
the
same
way
that
she
is
working
on
it
with
Pella,
but
I
would
also
support
denial
of
this
application.
R
Oh
manager,
I
really
have
nothing
more
to
add
other
than
just
to
reiterate
the
importance
of
materiality
in
our
districts.
Granted
mistakes
have
been
made
over
the
100
plus
years
that
the
districts
have
been.
The
homes
have
been
been
here,
but
that's
not
a
reason
to
continue
the
the
bad
behavior
and
that
materiality,
like
I,
said,
exists
for
for
a
reason,
in
maintaining
the
the
character
of
what
makes
these
districts
so
great,
so
I
would
be
in
support
of
denial.
Okay,.
B
I
appreciate
that
the
applicant
has
already
begun
to
remedy
the
window
situation
and
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
we
take
things
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
Precisely
so,
we
don't
have
all
of
these
mistakes
or
questionable
projects.
Come
to
us
and
say,
look
at
what
they've
done
right,
because
we
don't
want
to
use
those
as
examples.
We
don't
want
this
to
become
another
example
of
something
that
was
allowed,
that
maybe
that
shouldn't
have
been
so
unless
anybody
has
more
discussion.
I
would
love
emotion.
I
R
B
K
B
You
moving
on
to
our
last
agenda
item
for
the
evening
drh22-00436
EV
Studios
and
the
address
is
811
East,
McKinley
Street
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
duplex
on
property
in
an
r2h,
medium
density,
residential
with
historic
overlay.
Zone
Steph.
Can
we
please
have
the
report.
H
Yes,
this
is
the
site
location
for
the
property.
This
aerial
shows
the
an
existing
structure
that
was
pre
has
since
been
demolished,
which
or
removed
I
should
say
and,
and
so
now
we
just
have
an
open
lot
to
be
in
filled.
H
A
H
This
is
a
rear,
two-car
garage
or
double
garage
to
double
garages
that
that's
also
proposed.
H
Detached
garages
and
existing
homes
in
the
block
or
the
dimensions
single
one
and
a
half
stories
and
some
two-story
structures
with
simple
forms.
There
are
two
story:
structures
on
the
adjacent
Lots,
so
the
height
is
congruous
with
those
two
structures,
though,
the
width
of
the
adjacent
properties
are
generally
22
to
28
feet
and
the
three
nearest
properties
across
the
street
are
26
feet
wide.
H
The
width
of
this
duplex
is
55
feet
and,
due
to
atypical
shape
of
the
property
being
sort
of
a
trapezoid
as
you're
approaching
the
property
along
the
street,
it
will
make
it
seem
wider
because
of
the
the
odd
angles
and
and
how
that
works
and
the
overhanging
LDS.
Therefore,
the
building
does
not
maintain
or
blend
with
the
width
of
buildings,
of
the
adjacent
size
being
nearly
twice
as
wide.
H
The
overhanging
upper
stories
at
the
Second
Story
rear
portion
of
the
duplex
are
of
an
atypical
design
that
is
not
typically
seen
or,
if
at
all,
seen
elsewhere
in
the
historic
district
and
the
odd
geometry
of
it
being
a
trapezoid.
The
odd
geometry
of
the
floor
plan
generates
a
very
complicated
roof
form
with
it's.
It's
confusing
look
and
that's
not
congruous
with
the
reforms
found
in
the
historic
district.
H
The
design
guidelines
say
that
new
new
construction
should
not
use
architectural
details
or
ornamentation
that
confuse
the
history
of
style
of
the
building.
This
proposed
duplex
shows
porch
posts
that
are
kind
of
maybe
a
Greek
Revival
appearance.
While
there
are
decorative
brackets
that
some
sort
of
evoke
the
Victorian
architecture
and
the
overall
design
is
somewhat
reminiscent
of
a
Craftsman
Foursquare
form.
New
construction
in
a
historic
district
should
be
compatible
to
other
properties,
but
not
a
Pastiche
standard.
H
Nine
states
that
new
construction
will
be
compatible
and
with
all
these
things
and.
P
H
Demonstrated
above
this
property
is,
construction
is,
is
of
an
incompatible
size,
scale
and
proportion
and
massing,
and
therefore
it
does
not
meet
the
standard
with
that
step
recommends
denial.
AA
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Amanda
Bidwell
with
EV
Studio
725,
East,
2nd
Street
in
Meridian,
Idaho.
AA
AA
This
is
a
floor
plan
kind
of
showing
a
little
bit
more,
how
those
are
laid
out
and
they
do
step
kind
of
back
from
each
other,
a
little
bit
which
I'll
get
into
more
in
a
minute.
These
are
some
of
the
elevations
which
Richard
has
already
showed
you
get
through
this
a
little
bit
quickly,
I
have
kind
of
what's
proposed,
and
then
staff
concerns
and
my
proposed
solution
to
the
staff
concerns.
AA
Richard
stated
that
we
don't
comply
because
the
adjacent
buildings
are
ranging
from
22
to
28
feet
wide
and
our
building
is
55
feet
wide.
However,
5.2.3
states
that
it
is
appropriate
to
add
a
new
building
which
is
wider
and
higher
than
buildings
on
adjacent
sites.
If
the
building
is
broken
up
into
smaller
segments,
this
building
is
55
feet
wide.
Would
it
split
into
two
two
distinct
sides
that
are
24
foot
and
26
foot
wide,
and
there
is
also
a
concern
of
the
second
floor
overhang
on
the
back
of
the
building.
AA
We
did
receive
a
letter
from
a
neighbor
providing
a
suggestion
to
step
the
buildings,
and
that
was
the
initial
intent
of
the
design.
My
proposal
there
would
be
to
increase
that
step
and
make
it
a
little
bit
more
dramatic.
So
it's
more
obvious
and
then
justice
statement
that
there
are
other
four
plexes
and
triplexes
in
the
area
across
the
street
and
actually
next
door.
So
the
duplex
is
congruous
with
that
foreign.
AA
There
is
another
concern
that
the
odd
shape
of
the
site
makes
the
west
elevation
more
visible
from
the
street,
the
neighboring
property,
which
you
see
on
the
left
side.
There
has
a
similar
issue.
You
can
see
their
full
left
side.
Well,
sorry
West
Side,
but
it
is
blocked
by
a
tree,
that's
kind
of
the
same
intent
that
we
have
on
our
project.
If
you
look
at
the
landscape
plan,
there
is
a
large
treat
proposed
out
front
to
help
screen
the
west
side
of
the
building
from
the
street.
AA
There
was
concern
of
odd
shaped
roofs
because
of
the
unique
shape
of
this
site
and
trying
to
maintain
the
facade
facing
the
street
on
an
odd
shaped
site
makes
for
an
object
building.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
Before
and
after
you
can
see,
the
step
is
much
more
dramatic
there,
so
the
before
elevations
and
the
after
you
can
see
I
removed
the
second
floor,
overhang
from
the
rear
of
the
building
and
I
squared
up
the
columns
to
make
it
more
Craftsman
on
the
front,
and
this
is
where
you
can
also
see:
I
removed
the
wraparound
porch,
so
that
there's
not
a
hip
roof.
At
an
odd
angle.
M
I
have
a
question:
did
you
explore
any
other
options
for
the
site
like
a
lot
of
different
historic
districts,
had
Courtyard
housing,
style,
apartments
or
duplexes?
Did
you
like
toy
with
any
of
those
ideas,
I'm
making
them
like
a
u-shape
or
anything
like
that
to
make
more
of
a
break
between
the
two
and.
AA
We
did
not
look
at
any
u-shaped
floor
plans
to
create
that
courtyard
I
did
have
the
intent
of
creating
a
little
Courtyard
between
where
the
garage
sits
and
where
the
duplex
sits.
There's
some
raised
Planters
in
there
to
help
kind
of
separate
each
tenant's
space,
but
with
the
shape
of
the
side,
it
just
gets
a
little
bit
difficult
to
take
Mass
out
of
the
center
and
push
it
to
the
side.
AA
Yeah,
it's
20,
it
was
29
or
sorry.
It
was
28
when
we
submitted
and
with
this
change
it
would
be
29.
Thank
you.
B
N
Make
it
quick
you
guys
are
here
late,
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
and
I
live
at
1204,
East,
State,
Street,
Boise,
83712
and
I
am
here
tonight
to
testify.
On
behalf
of
the
East
End
neighborhood
association
Ina
testified
back
in
July
of
2022,
expressing
her
concern
for
a
944
square
foot
home
that
originally
sat
at
811
East
McKinley
and
was
moved
in
exchange
for
an
application
of
a
single-family
home
that
was
3766
square
feet.
At
that
time
we
asked
the
commission
to.
N
Please
deny
the
application
due
to
the
setbacks,
size,
massing
and
materials.
Also
the
lot
coverage
percentage.
We
are
now
standing
before
you
and
asking
you
once
again
that
you
deny
an
application
for
this
property
with
the
same
concerns
this
time
for
a
duplex
that
will
be
a
combine,
a
combined
square
footage
of
4072
square
feet,
which
is
even
larger
than
the
original
application.
N
The
two-story
massing
from
the
side-to-side
setbacks,
along
with
the
front
to
back
side
setbacks
do
not
match
the
historic
District's
guidelines
for
massing
and
scale
referencing
the
design
guidelines
for
residential
historic
districts.
New
construction
should
be
congruous
with
the
historic
context
with
reflecting
contemporary
design
and
preserving
traditional,
spacing
between
structures.
N
The
plan
for
this
home
this
the
plans
for
this
home
are
not
congruent
with
its
surroundings,
as
I
stated.
Above
previously,
the
size
massing
step
backs
are
not
congruent
with
the
East
end
historic
district,
we're
not
opposed
to
having
duplexes
in
our
neighborhood.
We
have
a
lot
of
them,
but
they
are
mostly
single
story.
There
is
a
couple
of
two-story
ones,
but
they
are
really
short
because
they
were
built
in
like
the
50s
or
the
40s.
N
They
don't
take
up
a
lot
of
the
square
foot
or
the
percentage
of
the
lot
coverage
and
they
blend
in
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
and
so
Ina
is
asking
that
you
please
deny
this,
because
we
just
don't
feel
it
fits
within
our
historic
district.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
AB
Okay,
my
name
is
Daniel
Hutcherson
I
live
at
102
North
Jan
Tony
here
in
Boise,
Idaho
Jen
Tony
is
just
east
of
the
East
End
historic
district
and
I
drive,
either
up
Washington
down
Washington
to
get
to
my
neighborhood
or
up
Warm
Springs,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with.
E
AB
We
know
that
the
East
end
historic
district
is
predominantly
a
single
household
neighborhood,
with
a
mixture
of
diverse
housing,
types
of
duplexes
triplexes
and
even
some
Apartments
and
Townhomes.
But
the
predominant
nature
of
the
community
on
the
East
End
is
single-family.
Households.
Adding
additional
duplexes
to
the
already
mixture
of
single-family
and
Boulder
family
units
only
adds
to
the
density
that
leads
to
contributing
to
the
destruction
of
the
overall
character
to
the
neighborhood.
AB
That
fits
the
lot
and
the
characteristics,
and
this
particular
lot
is
even
more
important
from
a
visual
aspect
of
the
historic
district
than
others
in
the
East
End,
in
that
it
sits
right
at
a
key
intersection
along
the
access
up,
McKinley
Street
and
the
break
off
to
go
up
Washington
Street.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
hope
you
deny
the
the
project.
Thank.
B
You
for
your
testimony,
all
right
and
next
on
my
sheet:
I
have
Sheila
Grisham.
Okay,
just
wanted
to
make
sure
you
weren't,
testifying
again
as
a
resident.
All
right
is
there
anybody
else
in
the
audience
bushing
to
testify
for
this
project
or
against.
It
looks
like
we
have
people
online.
Yes,
all
right.
If
you
can
state
your
name
and
address,
then
you'll
have
three
minutes.
AC
Hi
Allison
ooten822
East
McKinley.
AC
Most
of
my
concerns
have
already
been
expressed,
but
I
would
still
like
to
go
on
record
and
while
this
is
a
new
plan
and
a
new
presenter,
the
concerns
are
the
same
as
those
we
all
expressed
in
the
first
go
around
with
this
property
owner
and
as
neighbors
we're
looking
for
compliance
in
design,
setbacks,
massing
historical
details,
and
this
proposal
is
now
larger
and
contains
the
same
concerns
that
we've
had
before.
So
this
is
not
going
in
the
right
direction
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
collective
frustration
with
this
property
owner.
AC
So
this,
unfortunately,
isn't
going
in
the
direction
we
all
had
hoped
and
I
know.
Some
of
us
receive
certified
letters
informing
us
of
the
the
design
of
this
duplex
I.
AC
Speaking
for
myself,
I
don't
have
any
seeing
the
change
to
these
designs.
Tonight
is
the
first
I've
seen
from
the
original
proposal,
so
I'm
not
sure
in
the
certification
process
of
notifying
neighbors.
If
we
were
supposed
to
get
one
that
had
the
new
design
as
well,
and
the
density
is
a
concern
as
well.
The
square
footage
is
much
larger
than
the
original
redesign
and
certainly
obviously
much
larger
than
the
original
900
square
foot,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
traffic
concerns
in
this
area.
AC
AD
AD
One
thing
I
do
want
to
state
is
this
proposal
is
four
thousand
plus
square
feet.
It
is
a
multi-family
multi-bedroom
multi-story
connected
duplex
and
it
is
beyond
reasonable
in
size,
scope
and
the
reference
of
the
the
historical
context
of
the
neighborhood.
AD
The
size
and
elevation
does
not
a
suggested
match
the
adjacent
structures
which
are
tall,
but
they
are
small
in
overall
square
footage
and
the
building,
Mass
elevation
and
window
placements
will
intrude
on
the
privacy
and
shading
of
neighborhood
properties.
The
garage
is
plural
approach
and
compromise
the
shared
back
alley
as
well
structure.
Setbacks
are
important,
particularly
at
this
very
busy
intersection.
This
is
a
a
visually
impacted
spot
in
our
beautiful
East
End
Neighborhood,
and
it
would
be
nice
to
have
something
that
would
complement
the
neighborhood
feel
the
density
of
these
two
connected.
AD
J
Hi
there
ambergrant803
East
McKinley,
so
I
am
the
neighbor
on
the
other
side
of
Elizabeth
who
just
spoke
and
I
agree
with
Elizabeth
I.
Think
some
of
the
changes
aesthetically
were
we're
definitely
are
should
be
applauded,
however,
being
the
neighbor
directly
to
the
west
of
them,
I
will
say
this
house
is
or
this
duplex
is
a
monster.
It
is
tall.
It
will
be
taller
than
my
home.
J
I
already
worry
about
privacy
in
the
house
that
they
they
had
submitted
prior
to
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
understand.
Quite
what
this
couple
is
is
trying
to
accomplish.
I
I
I
know
them,
you
know
through
being
neighbors
and
they
initially
wanted
a
one-story
larger
home
for
them,
and
it
has
just
kind
of
continued
to
snowball
and
I.
Just
my
I
have
concerns
about
traffic.
I
have
concerns
about
it,
not
fitting
into
the
the
Aesthetics
of
our
neighborhood,
so
I.
I
too,
would
deny
building
this
this
as
well.
B
Okay,
great
thank
you,
so
I
will
invite
that
came
back
up
for
your
rebuttal.
You
have
five
minutes.
AA
Yeah,
thank
you.
Amanda
Bidwell,
725,
East,
2nd
Street
in
Meridian
Idaho.
So
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
mentioned
there
was
a
smaller
home
on
the
previous
lot,
and
this
is
please
replacing
it
with
a
larger
lot
coverage.
I
understand
that
concern
when
we
did
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
making
sure
we
have
this
the
building
smaller
than
is
required
by
the
city.
We
do
exceed
the
required
setbacks
on
this
project,
and
it
does.
AA
It
is
underneath
the
required
lot
coverage
as
well
to
make
some
open
space
on
the
back.
There
are
also
concerns
about
density
in
this
area
and,
as
I
stated
previously,
there
is
precedence
for
that
in
this
neighborhood
with
other
multi-family
developments.
Nearby.
AA
One
thing
I
forgot
to
touch
on
in
my
initial
presentation
is
privacy.
We
did
pay
attention
to
which
direction
windows
are
facing,
and
windows
directly
to
the
sides
were
the
smaller
setbacks
are,
are
taller
Windows
so
that
they're
not
looking
directly
into
the
neighbor's
privacy
or
into
the
neighbor's
yard,
and
then
as
well
on
the
back.
We
have
the
garage
shielding
the
bedroom
windows
that
look
out
onto
their
private
Courtyards
so
that
they
aren't
looking
directly
into
Neighbors
yards.
AA
There
was
concern
about
adding
garage
on
the
back
I
think
that
that's
better
than
not
having
the
garage
because
there's
places
to
park
so
that
there's
not
off
street
parking
and
it
pulls
some
of
those
cars
out
of
the
streets
wanted
to
touch
on
the
comment
about
certified
letters.
That
was
an
error
on
my
part.
I
thought
we
needed
to
submit
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
the
duplex.
AA
R
Park,
yes,
quick
question
for
staff
just
for
my
new
mess
the
process,
so
it's
r2h
Zone,
which
allows
for
single
family
at
what?
What
so
does
it
also
allow
for
duplex
as
an
allowed
use?
Is
that
right.
H
Yes,
what
is
that
new
place
or
more
definitely
a
duplex
is
allowed.
Okay,
yeah.
R
M
Well,
I've
been
discussion,
I
support,
staff's
findings
of
denial,
I
think
the
massing
the
height
just
it
is
off,
it
doesn't
meet.
The
standards
like
Richard
has
outlined
in
his
analysis
and
findings.
I
think
there
could
be
some
creative
ways
of
adding
a
duplex
here,
I
think
adding
a
duplex
fits
within
the
neighborhood.
M
We
can
look
at
other
cities
and
other
parts
of
our
city.
Anyway,
it
was
Courtyard
housing
that
was
prominent
in
the
20s
and
30s
I
think
is
a
creative
way
of
adding
a
duplex
or
even
a
Triplex
to
a
historic
district
that
would
fit
in
more
so
than
what
is
planned.
Currently
any.
R
R
Definitely
a
uniquely
shaped
parcel
that
that
Demands,
a
unique
and
a
unique
solution,
but
I
feel
that,
what's
before
us,
even
the
revised
the
revised
plans
today,
while
they
do
address
some
of
staff's
comments,
the
the
overarching
notion
that
it
is
still
a
very
complexly
shaped
building
with
a
very
complexly
shaped
roof
that
is
not
congruent
or
sympathetic
to
the
the
district.
E
B
I
love
seeing
a
duplex
here
and
you
know
seeing
multi-family
integrated
into
our
neighborhoods,
especially
as
we're
thinking
about
how
Boise
is
growing
and
where
we're
putting
people
but
I
agree
with
some
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
that
the
massing
is
off
I'm
glad
that
you're
within
the
lot
coverage.
But
it
just
needs
to
fit
better
within
the
neighborhood
and
we're
kind
of
missing
that
Mark
right
now.
M
Through
your
feelings,
towards
like
a
deferral
again
to
work
on
the
design
or
flat
out
denial,
I'm
good
with
either
I,
don't
know
how
others
are
feeling.
L
Chair
I
think
I
would
move
towards
a
deferral
based
off
of
what
I've
thought
about
this
I
mainly
want
it
to
I,
want
it
to
work,
I
appreciate
the
design
and
the
concept
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
quite
there
yet
and
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
redevelop
it,
I
would
prefer
that
over
complete
denial.
I
I
I
just
feel
like,
given
the
massing
of
this
proposal,
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
for
them
to
rework
it
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
makes
sense
to
defer
the
project
if
they're
going
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
I
feel
like
they're,
going
to
have
to
scrap
it
and
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
but
I
I
would
support
in
all
of
this
application.