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A
Foreign.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Okay,
for
tonight's
hearing,
obviously
a
pretty
big
agenda
number
one
is
a
continuation
from
March.
We
will
hear
that
item
number
two
on
McKinley
Street
deferred
also
from
March.
We
will
defer
that
again
until
the
June
26th
meeting
okay,
number
three
again
deferred
from
March
and
we
will
defer
again
to
June
26th
as
well
item
number
four
on
Harrison
Boulevard.
We
would
propose
for
consent
unless
the
commission
has
an
issue
or
there
is
a
member
of
public
present
yeah.
A
Number
five
on
Logan,
we
will
hear
number
six
on
McKinley.
We
will
hear
number
seven
on
Fort
Street.
We
will
hear
number
eight
on
O'farrell.
We
will
hear
number
nine
on
15th
street.
We
will
hear
number
10
on
Flume
street.
We
will
hear
and
number
11
on
10th
Street
would
propose
for
the
consent
agenda.
Okay,
you
know
again
pretty
pretty
heavy
agenda
tonight.
I
would
recommend
at
the
start
of
the
meeting,
setting
a
time
that
the
commission
is
comfortable
with
ending
things
that,
just
in
in
the
event
that
we
don't
get
through.
A
All
of
these
just
to
be
transparent,
so
yeah.
B
We
talked
before
and
we
think
at
10
pm.
We
won't
hear
any
any
new
things
after
10.
A
Yeah
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
Boise
City
Historic
preservation,
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
entering
the
public
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak.
As
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you
will
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there's
a
chat
function
in
Zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person
and
then
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony
and
then
finally,
the
applicant
is
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal,
after
which
the
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision,
and
with
that
Madam
chair
you
have
the
floor.
Thank.
B
You
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
certificate
of
appropriateness
applications.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing
in
order
to
file
an
appeal
he
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
there
is
no
public
opposition
to
the
item.
B
It'll
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
in
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion
without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
Hearing
in
order
to
in
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
Thank
you
for
today
for
attending
tonight.
We
have
a
lot
to
get
through
because
of
this.
B
You
I
will
make
the
consent
agenda
now
without
any
objection.
I'll
place
the
first
item,
which
is
the
minutes
from
March
27th
meeting
on
the
consented
agenda,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
more
items
to
move
to
the
consent
agenda.
Do
you
have
the
sign
up
form.
B
B
Thank
you.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report,
we.
B
Thank
you,
fantastic
is
there?
Anyone
here
to
testify
in
opposition
I
have
a
name
on
my
list,
but
that's
you
perfect,
okay,
fantastic,
so
hearing
no
opposition
will
go
ahead
and
move
that
to
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
that
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
consent
agenda
is
item
number
11.,
which
is
drh23-00126.
It's
at
1317,
North,
10th,
Street,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
character,
defining
face
and
construct
a
new
detached
garage
with
Adu
above
the
property
is
the
applicant
here
tonight.
B
Perfect.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Fantastic?
Is
there
anybody
present
tonight?
That's
wishing
to
testify
in
opposition
no
hearing,
none
all
right,
I
will
move
that
to
the
consent
agenda
as
well.
Having
built
the
consent
agenda,
I
need
to
hear
a
motion.
E
E
B
B
Is
there
anyone
present
wanting
to
testify
that
could
not
return?
Let's
see!
What's
our
next
meeting
next
month
manager
June
26th
on
June
26th,
fantastic
okay,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
defer
that
and
then
the
next
one
is.
B
Drh23-00048,
that's
item
number
three:
at
1721:
North,
7th,
Street,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
new
detached
garage
with
Adu
above
the
property.
Is
there
anyone
here
tonight?
That's
present
wanting
to
testify
that
cannot
return
in
our
June
meeting,
all
right,
seeing
none.
We
will
defer
that
as
well
and
we
can
dive
into
our
remaining
items.
So
we'll
start
with
item
number
one
which
is
drh22-00437.
B
This
one
was
deferred
from
our
March
27th
meeting,
it's
at
150,
South,
5th,
Street
and
appeal
of
an
administrative
certificate
of
appropriateness,
approval
to
construct
a
standalone
prefabricated
restroom
facility
in
CW,
Moore,
Park
and
Josh.
If
you
have
the
report,
thank.
B
A
Right
Josh,
thank
you,
yeah!
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
So
at
the
March
27
2023
meeting,
we
did
defer
the
appeal
of
drh-22-00437
at
150,
South
5th
Street.
This
is
a
request
by
Boise,
Parks
and
Recreation
to
place
a
prefabricated
restroom
facility
on
the
existing
CW
Moore
Park.
At
that
March
hearing
there
was
information
presented
by
the
appellants
that
the
commission
did
not
have
time
to
fully
digest.
So
the
the
item
was
moved
to
tonight's
agenda
within
your
packet.
A
Was
that
report
from
the
appellant,
along
with
some
additional
public
comments
that
were
received
after
that
hearing?
Also
some
updated
renderings
from
Boise,
Parks
and
Recreation
were
included
so
just
as
a
refresher
again
we're
at
CW
Moore
Park
on
the
northeast
corner
of
Grove,
Street
and
5th
in
downtown
the
applicant
had
requested
to
construct
to
install
the
prefabricated
restroom
facility
along
the
alley
side
of
the
park
behind
the
the
historic
Arch.
A
These
are
those
updated,
renderings
perspective,
renderings
that
place
that
facility
within
the
park
to
give
an
idea
of
its
more
specific
location,
both
in
relation
to
the
historic
features
in
the
park
and
to
the
alley
itself.
The
applicant
is
here
tonight
and
able
to
answer
questions.
A
One
item
that
had
come
up
during
discussion
was
if
there
was
an
ability
to
paint
the
facility
to
perhaps
more
closely
match
some
of
the
some
of
the
features
in
the
park,
and
it
sounds
like
that
is
an
option.
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
speak
to
that
during
their
presentation.
A
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
Malloy
all
right.
Okay,
so
with
no
questions
for
Stuff,
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
from
the
applicant.
J
Madam,
chairman
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
Matthew
Reese
I'm
at
499,
West,
Main,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho,
83702
I
do
have
a
just
start
off
just
with
an
administrative
question
which
was
was
there
supposed
to
be
a
posted
meeting
notice
for
this
meeting,
because
we
were
really
never
notified.
J
We
got
a
letter
on
March
28th,
stating
the
pending
the
the
given
us
that
there
would
be
a
meeting
on
May,
22nd,
2022
and
I
heard
from
other
people
that
then
they
never
got
a
notice
of
this
meeting
and
it
wasn't
posted
so
so.
A
Absolutely
Mountain
chair
members,
commission,
so
deferred
hearings
are
not
reposted
or
re-advertised
in
the
newspaper
there
is
an
expectation
that
interested
parties
were
at
that
hearing
when
it
was
deferred
to
a
date
specific
now.
If
it
was
deferred
to
a
date
non-specific,
we
would
have
to
repost
and
re-advertise,
but
this
was
set
to
May.
22Nd
specifically
does.
J
A
K
J
Start
over
here
again
again,
my
name
is
Matthew
Reese
499,
West,
Main,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho
83702.
K
J
J
J
Although
C.W
Moore
Park
is
not
a
Historic
Park,
it
is
a
historic
theme
park
with
many
historic
artifacts.
There
are
many
items
in
the
park
that
are
not
historic,
but
they
have
been
designed
and
placed
in
the
park
to
be
compatible
and
complement
the
historical
artifacts
of
this
historical
theme
park.
J
The
main
entry
of
the
park
is
a
reclaimed
large
Sandstone
Arch,
Masonry
structure
that
was
preserved
from
the
historic
building
here
in
downtown.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
kind
of
ironic,
it
was
the
city
of
Boise
that
tore
down
that
building,
so
they
could
build
this
beautiful
building
that
grand
entry
frames,
the
Park
Plaza,
the
waterfall
and
the
historic
artifacts.
J
J
J
J
A
thoughtful
design
would
place
a
restroom
at
the
entry
would
not
place
the
restroom
at
the
entry.
A
thoughtful
design
would
provide
landscape
buffer
between
the
restroom
and
the
function
of
the
park.
A
thoughtful
design
would
provide
open
sight
lines
to
a
street
and
parking
lot
for
safety.
This
is
a
tall
order,
but
it
can
be
done.
You
need
to
look
no
further
than
the
Cherie
Buckner
Webb
part,
because
it
does
have
a
Portland
Zoo
and
it
is
placed
per
the
manufacturer
recommendations.
J
J
J
C.W
Moore
Park,
however,
is
in
need
of
Maintenance
and
Repair.
Metal
work
desperately
needs
to
be
repainted
and
there's
significant
damage
to
the
concrete
Plaza
due
to
the
tree
roots.
I
think
this
is
where
the
money
should
be
spent.
Let's
maintain
what
we
already
have
CW
War
also
has
a
history
of
attracting
a
transient
population
because
of
its
secluded
nature,
I
see
the
tents,
the
sleeping
bags,
the
trash
the
drug
needles.
J
J
The
structure,
as
proposed
competes
with
the
prominent
historic
elements
and
does
detract
from
the
themed
Integrity
of
the
park
number
two.
There
is
no
design
consideration
at
all
of
this
restroom
and
all
the
other
items
in
that
Park.
That
was
a
requirement
that
was
a
standard
number
three.
We
would
be
losing
valuable
Landscaping.
Several
magnolia
trees
will
be
removed
from
the
park,
removing
a
key
buffer.
J
J
L
L
Miller
live
at
834,
West,
Two,
Rivers
Lane
in
Eagle.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
Maroney,
nice.
To
see
you
we
weren't
at
the
you
weren't
at
the
last
meeting,
so
some
of
the
stuff
I'm
talking
about
is
going
to
be
new,
and
some
of
it
will
be
a
little
bit
of
background
for
you
as
well.
So
as
a
reminder,
I'm
Victor
Miller,
my
wife
and
I
own
two
units
at
the
belgrave
I'm,
also
on
the
board
tonight.
After
reviewing
the
staff's
denial
of
appeal
memorandum.
L
After
reading
the
March
17
2003
agency
response
to
concerns
raised
by
us
about
the
location
of
the
lieu,
we
believe
more
we're
more
convinced
than
ever
that
locating
a
Portland,
Lou
and
CW
Moore
Park
makes
absolutely
no
sense
and
likely
be
harmful
to
local
residences
and
businesses.
The
process
of
installing
importantly
on
CW
Mark
Park,
ignores
safety.
L
Concerns
ignores
how
the
park
is
currently
being
used,
flies
in
the
face
of
the
properly
installed
Portland
U.N
SRI,
SRI,
Buckner,
Webb
Park,
ignores
the
Aesthetics
of
the
park,
ignores
Logistics
and
securing
the
Liu
and
ignores
the
budgetary
impact
of
the
lieu
on
the
city.
In
addition,
last
in
March,
I
I
gave
a
14-page
testimony
which
I
asked
to
be
included
in
the
record,
and
it
was
not
so
my
voice
has
not
been
included,
like
others
have
been,
and
I
and
I
think
that
that's
not
appropriate.
L
In
my
testimony,
I
raised
many
safety
and
logistical
concerns
relative
to
the
placement
of
the
Portland
Lou
in
the
park.
Not
one
of
these
was
addressed
in
the
denial,
the
denial
of
appeal.
As
a
reminder,
I
reached
out
directly
to
the
manufacturer,
Portland
knew
themselves
a
man
named
Evan
Madden
who's,
the
sales
manager
for
the
company,
and
he
sent
me
a
study
that
Washington
DC
did
by
the
way
that
was
their
fourth
study.
L
You're
only
you're
the
only
one
who's
been
asked
to
make
a
decision
on
this
DC
had
four
studies,
and
this
is
the
this
is
the
concerns
that
they
have.
It
is
not.
It
is
not.
This
one
is
not
ignores
every
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
principle
that
the
manufacturer
requires.
It
is
not
in
an
open,
visible
location
with
a
lot
of
pedestrian
vehicle
traffic.
It
is
not
near
a
commercial
area
where
eyes
can
be
kept
on
the
restroom
during
the
daytime
and
into
the
evening.
It
is
not.
L
L
They
used
the
possible
use
for
prostitution.
They
had
issues
with
arson
and
public
nuisance
issues
graffiti
sleeping
inside
them,
camping
near
the
loop
maintenance
issues,
locks
broken
broken
hinges
and
Hardware,
inappropriate
items,
flush
down
the
toilet,
frozen
pipes,
none
of
the
park
and
rec
documents
addressed
any
of
these
concerns
and
their
unintended
consequences
and
financial
costs
to
the
city.
L
These
are
pictures
of
the
installation
of
the
Portland
Lou
in
the
city
park,
Sheree
Buckner,
Webb,
City
Park.
It
fits
every
single
standard
that
I
mentioned
before
the
sight
lines.
It's
near
a
road.
It's
near
parking
lots,
it's
not
near
residential,
we're
within
30
feet
of
a
residential.
It
fits
every
single
criteria,
but
this
one
in
CW
more
fits
none
of
those
criteria.
So
we've
already
done
it
right
in
Ida,
we've
already
done
it
right
in
Boise.
Let's
not
do
it
wrong.
L
Fourth,
despite
the
parking
sorry,
fourth,
no
study
has
been
done
to
assess
its
actual
need
in
your
own
memo.
March
17,
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department
provides
proves
there
is
not
a
great
need
for
a
permanent
restroom.
The
city
itself.
States
the
park
site
is
a
reservable
site
during
the
reservation
season
of
April
15th
October
15th,
that's
six
months,
we're
narrowing
it
down
due
to
traffic
and
parking
reservations
are
only
allowed
on
the
weekend
after
six
narrowing
it
down
even
more
to
50
days
and
then
approximately
10
times
per
year.
L
On
average,
the
park
is
reserved
for
events
which
require
restroom
service
and
is
anticipated
to
increase
with
the
growth
of
downtown.
The
city
currently
is
placing
a
portable
restroom.
10
days
is
not
worth
having
something
there
for
365.,
so
the
city
admits
a
bathroom
is
only
needed
to
potentially
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
This
does
not
legitimize
a
full-time
bathroom.
By
the
way.
L
Compare
this
to
other
cities
Cincinnati,
the
Liu
is
used
100
to
150
times
a
day,
Portland
250
times
a
day,
Portland
the
Olympia
Washington
use
highly
used,
Portland
Oregon
highly
used
Salt
Lake
City
100
times
more
a
day
or
more
a
day,
San
Antonio
the
same.
This
is
not
going
to
be
used
at
anywhere
close
to
those
levels,
there's
a
sense
in
placing
a
Portland
Zoo
in
a
place.
Where
is
ultimately
not
even
served
its
basic
function.
L
L
So,
with
security,
there's
been
monitors
and
police
and
there's
been
police
required
in
Arcata
Cambridge
Miami
Monterey,
Olympia,
Portland,
Salt,
Lake,
City,
San,
Antonio
and
Vancouver
BC.
Have
we
even
considered
what
this
burden
will
be?
Have
we
talked
to
the
police?
Have
we
run
a
budget?
Do
you
guys?
Can
you
show
me
a
budget
of
what
this
is
going
to
cost
the
city?
No
one's
done
that
work.
In
addition,
there's
cleaning,
for
example,
Victoria
BC,
City
Works,
cleans
it
three
to
four
times
a
day.
L
Hoboken
two
times
a
day,
Galveston
two
times
a
day,
Emeryville
California
three
three
times
a
day
needle
drops
are
required
in
Portland
Salt,
Lake,
City
Miami,
since
San
Antonio,
Smithers,
BC,
Vancouver,
Vancouver,
BC
and
Victoria
BC.
Do
we
want
needle
drops
really
in
CW,
Moore,
Park
0.28
Acres
last
part
is
maintenance
costs,
freezing
pipes,
plumbing
and,
as
I
said,
a
main
maintenance
costs
for
the
restoration
of
the
doors
and
hinges
and
things
six
there's
no
been
no
due
diligence
done
early
I
mentioned
a
study
that
we
talked
about.
L
L
Does
the
historical
preservation
commission
have
any
evidence
that
there's
a
substantial
need
for
this
Lou?
Has
historical
preservation
commission
put
together
a
budget
for
the
incremental
cost
of
this
Lou?
Have
the
Boise
Police
Department
been
consulted?
What
extra
burden
will
be
placed
on
them?
What
about
the
Boise
fire
department?
L
Seventh,
on
March
27th
I,
read
a
14-page
letter
into
the
record
and
asked
that
the
letter
be
included
in
the
record
while
the
report
from
D.C
was
included.
My
written
comments
were
not
many.
Other
comments
were
included,
but
my
14-page
letter
was
not
included.
The
public
record
therefore,
is
not
complete,
and
so
none
of
the
comments,
crucial
critical
to
the
project
were
made
known
to
the
public.
The
record
needs
to
be
corrected
and
another
public
meeting
should
be
held
once
that
correct
once
that
is
corrected.
L
In
conclusion,
the
process
to
install
a
Portland
Lou
seems
inexplicable.
In
the
quest
it
seems
to
land
a
Community
Development
block
grant.
The
city
has
ignored
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design,
principles,
location
guidance
provided
by
real
life.
Examples,
including
one
in
our
own
logistical
issues
with
the
police,
fire
and
Social
Services,
cost
budgetary
budgetory
issues,
aesthetic
issues,
proximity
to
residential
buildings
and
doing
the
necessary
due
diligence
to
determine
whether
it
is
there's
a
need
for
the
park.
L
The
lieu
in
the
park
in
the
first
place,
the
separate
scenes
focused
on
the
block,
grant,
not
sound
policy
or
logic
police
were
not
consulted.
The
fire
department
was
not
the
consulted.
Local
businesses
were
not
consulted,
local
residents
were
not
consulted.
Multiple
agencies
were
not
consulted.
Multiple
agencies
were
consulted
in
other
cities.
Why
is
the
decision
resting
solely
with
the
Boise
preservation?
Commission
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Thank
you
before
you
sit
down.
Have
the
record,
please
show
that
he
submitted
photo
documentation
and
we'll
mark
it
in
the
record
and
I'll
give
these
to
you.
Can
we
keep
these?
You.
B
B
Me
yeah,
that
would
be
great.
The
first
is
I'm,
sorry
that
your
letter
was
not
recorded,
entered
into
the
record
and
we'll
correct
that.
The
second
is
so
you
you
have
I
just
want
clarification.
So
a
the
vendor
sent
you.
This
study.
E
L
To
see
what
experiences
they've
had
in
other
cities,
okay,
so
I
said
specifically
send
me
pictures
of
your
product
in
other
cities.
That's
what
you
have
there.
Thank
you
and
then
I
took
the
pictures
personally,
the
one
in
Boise,
so
you
could
compare
that
the
one
done
in
Sri
Buckner
red
park
is
a
plus
okay
and
the
other
ones
they
match
the
other
ones
in
those
cities.
That's
why
I
got
that
for
you
and.
B
L
L
Then
the
vendor
so
I
asked
specifically
for
any
help.
They
could
give
us
to
see
what
concerns
were
raised.
So
Washington
DC
actually
proactively,
went
out
and
did
a
questionnaire.
They
sent
it
out
to
28
cities
that
actually
were
using
the
product.
Okay
and
then
what
I
did
is
I
read
that
product
I
read
that
report
I
submitted
it
to
everybody.
Last
time,
it's
in
the
record
right.
B
C
B
Okay
and
then
my
other
question
was,
you
said,
needle
drops
were
required
in
and
then
you
listed
cities,
but
it
didn't
sound
like
all
of
the
states
that
no.
L
L
Good,
no,
that
was
the
recommendation
of
the
cities
to
Washington
DC,
okay,
so
12
cities
said
we
recommend
that
you
have
needle
drops
with
with
that
product.
Okay,
but
yeah,
that's
that's
and
it
all
could
be
where
they
are
too
right.
H
Have
questions
I'm
trying
you
have
a
question:
I
have
used
it
once
and
can't
recall.
Can
you
tell
me
if
the
Portland
Leo
located
at
C
at
SRI,
Buckner,
Webb
Park,
has
needle
drops
that.
H
Do
you
know
if
any
of
the
city
of
Boise's
Portland
lose.
L
I
had
no
idea,
okay,
we're
talking
about
the
transient
nature
of
that
particular
Park.
So
that's
why
we
have
the
concerns,
the
the
transients.
These
he's
seen.
You
know
the
sleeping
bags
and
all
that
stuff
it
it
just
those
are
that's
a
much
different
spot,
it's
more
secluded.
Those
are
much
more
open
everywhere
else,
right,
I,.
B
B
Thank
you
so
next
up
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
M
Madam,
commissioner
board,
my
name
is
Jason
Miller
I
live
at
9268
West
Tanglewood
Boulevard
in
Boise,
Idaho,
83709
and
I
represent
Boise,
Park
and
Recreation
doing
this
I'm
a
landscape
architect
of
Boise,
Park
and
Recreation,
and
just
a
brief
presentation
that
will
address
a
lot
of
the
points
that
were
brought
brought
up
during
this.
M
Okay,
let
me
first
state
for
the
record.
The
Sherry
Buckner
Webb
does
have
Sharps
needles
containers
in
the
facility.
That's
pretty
standard
in
all
of
our
restroom
facilities,
and
it
would
be
it
will
be
in
CW
more
as
well,
so
so
CW
Moore
we're
looking
at
putting
the
restroom
in
the
park.
I
wanted.
M
Out
that
the
goals
of
this
were
to
kind
of
remove
the
need
for
the
portable
restroom
during
events,
so
that's
been
a
frequent
use.
That's
been
ongoing
in
which
portable
restrooms
are
inserted
right
next
to
the
applicant's
property
for
the
different
events
to
provide
a
restroom
amenities
to
the
public,
which
is
a
a
need.
That's
been
brought
forward
to
us
to
utilize
our
funding
available
and
to
address
future
demand
and
growth
for
the
surrounding
area
of
the
park.
M
The
shape
of
C.W
Moore
is
changing
almost
dynamically
every
single
day
and
with
the
improvements
along
Old
Boise
blocks,
as
well
as
the
the
neighborhood.
This
park
is
going
to
be
much
more
urban
in
the
future
and
we're
trying
to
look
ahead
and
in
doing
so
so
the
the
in
terms
of
the
funding.
So
this
is
a
need
that
was
brought
to
us
at
Boise
parks
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
to
use
a
Community
Development
block
grant
for
this
project.
M
So
the
Community
Development
block
grant
basically
provides
resources
to
address
a
wide
range
of
community
needs,
including
projects
and
activities
that
focus
on
low
to
moderate
income.
Households
such
as
this
one,
so
this
area
was
looked
at
in
terms
of
a
demographic.
It
was
that's
where
we
had
the
opportunity
to
add
an
amenity
to
the
park
based
on
this
funding
opportunity
because
of
the
the
benefit
that
it
will
actually
provide
to
in
terms
of
Health
and
Welfare
to
the
community.
So
that's
why
Boise
Parks
has
moved
forward
with
proposing
this
facility.
M
I
did
want
to
state
that,
since
our
last
meeting,
we
have
been
able
to
extend
the
funding
beyond
the
June
1st
deadline,
so
this
is
something
that
does
fit
within
our
time
frame
for
the
for
the
park,
and
we
also
point
out
on
this
Slide.
The
blue
arrow
indicates
where
the
portable
restroom
has
been
going
in
the
park.
M
So
there's
a
lot
of
constraints
within
the
spark,
as
as
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
historical
elements
within
the
park
there
we
actually
leased
from
the
state
as
a
part
of
our
agreement
and
each
of
those
elements
kind
of
to
help
shape
the
character
of
the
part.
We
recognize
that
and
you
can
see
like
each
of
the
diagrams
shown
here.
We
have
the
w
e
pierce
cupola
at
the
very
Southwest,
the
water
wheel.
M
On
the
east
side,
we
have
the
colonnade
with
all
the
historical
elements
around
that
from
the
school
blocks,
as
well
as
the
arch
within
the
park.
So
citing
this
building
is
not
an
easy
challenge
within
this
park.
There's
a
lot
of
existing
historical
landscaping
and
you
can
see
there's
a
very
tiny
rectangle
there
within
our
zoning
requirements
to
actually
place
a
structure
within
the
park
which
we
have
done
in
the
design
they're.
M
Also,
all
of
our
utilities
are
located
kind
of
within
the
alley,
so
the
logic
of
reducing
the
impact
to
the
park,
that's
kind
of
how
we
arrived
at
this
location
on
the
site,
so
I
didn't
want
to
mention
so
the
impact
of
the
park.
We
are
removing
a
section
of
the
wall
along
the
north.
We
are
removing
three
Magnolias.
We
do
have
one
of
the
one
tree
going
back.
M
We
plan
to
mitigate
the
other
trees
in
conjunction
with
the
urban
Forester
off-site
or
as
a
part
of
the
updated
master
plan
in
which
we're
going
to
be
improving
the
paving
and
the
amenities
within
the
park
in
the
upcoming
months
as
on
the
next
project.
So
that's
our
impact.
Our
structure
is
actually
a
ROM
Tech
structure
that
we
have
proposed
for
the
park
very
similar
to
the
Portland.
Zoo
has
the
same
number
of
louvers.
It's
a
low-cost
option
that
allows
us
to
put
it's
called
a
sidewalk
restroom
and
basically
the
this
allows
us
to.
M
You
know,
replace
the
or
sorry
it's
very
similar
to
the
Sherry
Buckner
web
in
terms
of
the
appearance
of
the
building,
the
structure
of
the
building
and
and
the
overall
Integrity
of
the
building.
It
was
designed
with
safety
considerations
the
same
as
the
Portland
Lou,
which
include
louvers
lighting,
Etc,
they're
they're,
equal
products.
Essentially
so
this
is,
you
guys
have
seen
the
elevations
of
the
of
the
building,
so
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that.
I
did
want
to
mention
on
this
slide,
so
we
have
looked
at
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design.
M
In
the
location
of
this
there's
considerations
that
we've
looked
at,
including
natural
surveillance,
because
this
is
a
visible
area
on
the
in
the
siding
of
the
building.
There
are
sight
lines
going
to
be
to
this
building.
It
is
going
to
be
open
in
appearance
all
the
way
around
we're,
not
creating
nooks
and
crannies,
where
nefarious
activity
could
occur,
and
we
we
did
look
at
natural
access
control.
M
It
wasn't
necessary
in
this
case,
that's
more
like
the
water
wheel,
where
you've
got
existing
fencing
kind
of
preventing
the
public
from
getting
close
to
the
we
didn't
feel
it
was
appropriate
or
needed
in
this
application,
and
then
we've
also
got
a
minimum
of
five
foot
clearance
around
the
building.
So
we
can
maintain
the
building
so
Boise
Parks.
We
have
a
proven
track
record
of
maintaining
and
managing
our
facilities,
as
in
Cherry
Buckner
Webb.
As
an
example,
we,
our
graffiti,
is
addressed
within
24
hours.
We
have
litter
pickup
the
park
is
cared
for.
M
These
are
all
part
of
the
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
that
we
just
do
on
an
everyday
basis.
Our
staff
does
so
the
building
like
I,
said,
there's
flexibility
or
Josh
mentioned.
There's
flexibility
in
the
color
of
the
building.
We
looked
at
this
as
a
gray
and
a
brown
option.
This
was
simple
because
we're
looking
at
build
the
lighter
the
color,
the
more
likely
it
is,
the
attack
with
graffiti
and
that's
a
pretty
common
occurrence,
with
Boise
parks,
I
depicted
in
the
images
here.
M
N
M
A
lot
of
elements,
the
sight
lines
through
the
Arches
are
maintained.
The
sidelines
to
the
facility
are
maintained,
there's
no
like
hidden,
Nook
or
area
and
on
the
majority
of
the
existing
Landscaping
is
going
to
be
preserved
and
protected
in
the
character
and
state
that
it
is
in
now
I
didn't
want.
This
is
the
like
a
Northwest
view
of
this
again.
You
can
see
on
the
back
side
of
this
there's
really
no
area
for
hiding
or
any
any
type
of
activity
where
you
wouldn't
be
visible,
so
we
feel
as
appropriate
for
for
this
structure.
M
So
we
did
when
we
did
review
the
report.
The
report
was
again
provided
by
Portland.
Lou
Who
was
not
selected
to
be
the
supplier
of
the
product.
We
respect
that
they
had
a
lot
of
really
great
things
that
were
included
in
the
report
and
things
that
we
had
already
looked
at.
So
we
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
our
city
is
not
as
big
as
Washington
DC.
M
You
know
basically
said
that
they
were
clean
and
safe
and
we
really
appreciate
the
acknowledgment
of
Sherry
Buckner
Webb,
because
our
staff
does
do
a
lot
of
things
to
maintain
that
facility
that
the
public
doesn't
see
and
we
do
like
you
know
there
are
things
like
the
the
broken
locks,
the
toilet,
the
you
know,
they're
constantly
plugged,
there's
graffiti
and
there's
frozen
pipes
and
all
of
those
things
do
occur
at
all
of
our
restrooms.
But
again
we
have
our
track
record
of
addressing
them
immediately,
so
we're
within
a
reasonable
time
frame.
M
So
the
location
has
been
key
to
success
and
we
feel
like
this
is
an
ideal
location
with
the
improved
growth
in
the
in
the
park
and
so
that
in
in
addition
to
that,
there's
lighting
infrastructure
within
the
park,
and
we
can
look
at
Future
lighting
if,
if
this
becomes
a
concern
with
our
updated
master
plan
for
the
park
in
the
coming
months
ahead,
so
we
feel
that
there's
adequate
lighting
right
now
again,
there's
two
lights
on
fit:
there's
two
lights
along
West
Grove
and
there's
three
additional
Lights
On
The
Colonnade.
M
So
the
the
one
of
the
great
quotes
in
the
report
was
that
the
cost
of
the
city
would
be
much
greater
if
people
didn't
perceive
downtown
to
be
a
welcome
and
clean
place
to
visit.
We
wholeheartedly
agree
and
that's
why
we
put
so
much
effort
into
our
facilities
and
we
don't
think
the
decision
of
adding
an
amenity
like
this
to
our
Park
lightly.
I
did
want
to
point
out.
M
This
will
be
a
benefit
to
Public
Health
it'll
be
a
benefit
to
personal
health,
for
people
who
live
in
the
in
the
community
and
then
maybe
a
benefit
to
local
businesses.
Where
people
as
this
continues
to
grow
will
not
continue
to
seek
using
a
restroom,
because
the
nearest
restroom
is
nine
blocks
away,
which
would
be
Sherry,
Buckner
Webb,
so
with
that
I
just
want.
That
was
our
response
anyway.
Thank.
G
M
I
appreciate
you
asking
that,
so
we
had
a
public
meeting
actually
before
we
submitted
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
get
feedback
from
the
community,
and
at
that
point
we
were
looking
at
because
we
had
kind
of
carved
out
this
little
area
for
the
existing
Portable
Restrooms.
We
were
looking
at
putting.
M
How
can
we
position
the
restroom
in
a
way
where
it
would
do
the
least
amount
of
impact
to
the
park,
because
all
of
our
infrastructure
is
right
there
in
the
alley
and
so
in
in
taking
a
close
look
at
that
I
mean
the
the
the
they
basically
were
concerned.
They
said
hey.
This
is
too
close
to
Alley.
We
said:
okay,
we're
not
going
to
pursue
a
variance,
we're
actually
going
to
move
this
within
our
zoning
and
it's
actually
further
than
our
zoning
requirement.
M
It
requires
us
to
do,
but
we
really
felt
like
we
couldn't
move
the
structure
in
in
a
direction
any
other
way
without
significantly
changing
the
historical
character
of
the
park,
and
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
arrived
at
where
we
got
to
so
it
is
I
believe
it's
like
12
feet.
Four,
it
exceeds
a
10
foot
minimum
from
the
alley.
Okay,
very.
G
H
Sure
if
I
may,
Mr,
Miller
I
just
want
to
say
I
had
about
seven
questions
and
your
presentation
answered
every
single
one.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
B
B
O
Thank
you
so
much
Madam,
chair
and
members
of
the
commission
for
hearing
this
this
evening
in
front
of
you,
you
see
a
photograph
that
was
taken
on
April
28th
at
11,
53
a.m
and
I
took
that
picture.
Actually,
my
husband
took
the
picture.
We
co-owned
one
of
the
the
condos
at
the
Belgravia
just
to
show
just
how
frequently
this
particular
site
is
used
on
a
regular
basis.
We
didn't
we
weren't.
Looking
for
this.
Just
so
happened.
My
husband
was
walking
through
as
we've
both
been
doing.
O
He
works
at
the
building
here,
that's
seen
in
the
picture.
Cw
Moore,
building
and
I
of
course,
have
worked
for
many
years
in
the
Belgravia,
even
though
I'm
currently
now
working
at
City
Hall,
so
I
too,
have
spent
a
lot
of
time.
Walking
back
and
forth
throughout
this
park,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
it
is
a
very
widely
used
Park
in
the
neighborhood.
O
Additionally,
we
of
course
also
have
the
building
going
on
at
the
old
Boise
blocks,
which
is
going
to
increase
the
number
of
the
people
using
these
blocks
and
and
the
need
for
the
restroom
I.
Of
course,
first
need
to
point
out
that
the
board
of
the
Belgravia
Association
clearly
did
not
come
to
the
members
that
own
condos
in
the
Belgravia
and
ask
what
we
all
thought
the
board
took
a
action
that
did
not
involve
all
the
members.
My
husband
and
I
are
very
much
in
support
of
this
restroom.
O
It
is
needed
throughout
our
city,
it's
needed
for
the
public.
We
want
our
our
residents
to
have
a
place
to
to
use
the
restroom
using
a
toilet
as
a
universal
human
need,
and
it's
a
need
for
the
children
that
use
the
park
here.
It's
a
need
for
the
adults
that
use
it
in
the
evening
and
to
suggest
that
this
particular
area
is
not
near
commuters.
Shoppers
tourists,
residents
and
barred
restaurant
goers
is
absurd.
O
I
think
it's
important
and
I
probably
don't
need
to
tell
you
all
this
that
this
is
not
a
Historic
Park.
In
fact,
I
think
what
happens
at
this
park
and
what
is
at
this
park
is,
is
rather
embarrassing
and
laughable
for
the
city
and
I
say
that
as
a
member
of
the
city
staff
and
somebody
who
is
deeply
invested
in
the
city
of
the
city's
history.
O
Sadly,
we
have
a
whole
bunch
of
historic
things
here
that
have
absolutely
zero
interpretation,
zero
context
for
where
they
sit
and
are
just
a
big
hodgepodge
that
make
people
ask
a
lot
of
questions
so
to
suggest
that
a
bathroom,
a
public
facility
is
somehow
incongruous
with
the
historicity
of
this
park
is
again
sort
of
laughable.
The
park
does
need
a
new
master
plan,
I'm
thrilled
that
the
city
is
looking
at,
that
I'm
thrilled
to
be
the
director
of
arts
and
history.
O
Now
for
the
city
of
Boise
and
actively
involved
in
what's
happening
on
the
old
Boise
blocks
and
building
a
city
that
is,
for
everyone
involves
having
a
public
facility
that
people
can
use
when
they
come
downtown
to
frequent
our
businesses
and
to
recreate
in
our
beautiful
city.
This
is
something
that
all
cities.
C
B
Much
I
have
Matt
Reese
who's
already
testified
and
you'll
get
to
come
back
up
I'm
just
reading
through
the
list
too.
Okay
and
Victor
Miller,
who
you've
also
testified
perfect?
Is
there
anybody
who
did
not
sign
up?
That's
wishing
to
that's
wanting
to
testify
or
people
online
looks
like
we
have
a
question
so
yes,
that
would
be
great
if
you
can
approach
the
microphone
and
say
you're
yeah.
Please
come
up
on
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
P
Yes,
I'm
Greg,
Buchanan
and
I
live
in
the
veltex
building,
which
is
about
a
half
a
block
from
the
park
I'm
on
the
board
of
the
of
the
veltex
Condominium
Association
and
just
want
to
say
a
few
things.
I
think
the
other
gentleman
did
a
very
good
job
of
outlining
some
of
the
problems.
I.
Look
at
this
as
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem
as,
as
was
presented,
there's
funding
available.
P
P
That's
pretty
simple!
It's
a
modern
design,
it's
fine
for
a
modern
area,
but
this
is
not
that
this
is
a
park
that
is
obviously
historically
themed
and
beltex
building
is
another
example
of
a
building
that
has
tried
to
take
that
historical
aspect
and
and
showcase
it
give
it
to
the
give
it
to
the
community.
We
have
certain
artifacts
from
what
it
was
used
previously,
not
as
old
as
what
this
park
has,
but
similar
similar
approach
and
I
get
again.
P
The
lighting
is
blue,
because
this
would
help
people
that
are
in
there
shooting
up
it.
It
hides
their
veins
and
that's
part
of
the
design
of
this
Loop
and
if
you're,
in
an
area
that
has
that
problem
I
could
see
how
that
might
be
an
advantage,
but
I
hardly
see
how
that
fits
into
our
neighborhood
again
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
problems
that
we
have
in
terms
of
of
people
finding
a
place
to
find
a
restroom
other
than.
P
Of
course,
we
are
adjacent
to
the
bar
district
and,
unfortunately,
people
leave
there
and
and
do
not
always
do
the
right
thing,
but
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
see
a
need
for
this.
I
see
children
over
there.
Every
again,
there's
a
nearby
school
that
brings
the
children
every
seems
like
every
day
that
has
good
weather
and
I.
P
Don't
see
how
this
is
going
to
to
help
them
I
think
they
would
feel
very
uncomfortable
with
the
potential
people
that
this
can
attract
so
again,
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem.
The
money
is
available,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
appropriate
to
put
this
in
here
and
very
much
against
it.
So
I
appreciate
your
time.
Are
there
any
questions.
Q
B
Q
There,
my
name
is
Stanford
McConaughey
address
is
5736
North
Hollister
in
Boise
Idaho,
and
thank
you
for
hearing
my
comments,
I'm
speaking
today
in
favor
of
a
reversal
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
in
other
words
I,
would
ask
that
the
commission
not
allow
the
Portland
mood
to
be
constructed
at
CW.
Moore
Park
I
disagree
vehemently
with
some
of
the
arguments
raised
by
appellants
having
to
do
with
Public
Safety
drug
use,
houseless
people
but
I
think
what
this
commission
should
focus
on
is
the
historical
Integrity
of
CW,
Moore,
Park
and
I.
Q
The
new
park
at
6th
and
Grove
is
one
block
away.
It's
still
in
its
planning
phase,
and
it
could
be
designed
around
a
restroom
facility
like
this
City
Hall
Plaza
would
be
a
better
site,
given
its
openness
and
foot
traffic.
The
Grove
Plaza,
in
my
opinion,
would
be
the
best
site
because
it's
even
more
open
and
has
even
more
foot
traffic.
If
the
city
wanted
to
prioritize
public
restroom
access,
we
would
pour
money
and
energy
into
well-thought-out
plans
that
don't
threaten
the
historic
nature
of
our
already
diminishing
Open
Spaces
or
our
extremely
precious
tree
canopy.
Q
The
city
wanted
to
prioritize
the
plight
of
houseless
people.
It
would
pour
money
and
energy
into
housing.
First
Solutions,
regardless
of
federal
assistance,
I'm
concerned
that
such
a
large
expenditure,
both
one
time
and
ongoing
since
Portland,
has
a
significant
annual
upkeep
cost,
will
not
be
utilized
to
its
fullest
potential,
which
should
be
the
priority
for
the
decision
makers
in
the
City
generally
and
the
parks
department
specifically
I.
Q
Just
don't
believe
that
the
CW
Moore
Park
is
the
best
spot
for
the
Portland
Lou
I
think
this
process
has
turned
into
somewhat
of
a
political
battle
between
neighbors
the
Belgravia,
but
the
historicity
of
our
city
concerns
all
citizens
of
Boise
past
present
and
future.
If
you've
ever
spent
time
at
CW,
Moore
Park,
you
know
that
its
size
is
part
of
its
charm
and
even
though
the
new
park
at
6th
and
Grove
will
be
technically
smaller.
Q
There
are
no
other
places
in
Boise
like
CW
Moore,
which
serves
as
a
living
Monument
to
so
much
that
has
changed
in
our
community
over
the
years
and
I
respect
the
comment
of
the
previous
person
giving
testimony
the
gentlewoman
who
said
that
there's
a
lack
of
context
and
I
would
just
encourage
that
the
new
master
plan
include
adding
that
context
to
some
of
the
features
of
the
park.
Q
B
Thank
you,
Mr
konaughey.
Do
we
have
anybody
else
online
wishing
to
to
testify
no
all
right
hearing
none
I
will
open
it
up
to
a
rebuttal
by
the
appealand.
H
J
Matthew
Reese
ready
to
restate
my
address:
499
West
Main
Street
Boise
Idaho
83702.
Just
there
were
a
couple
of
things
that
were
mentioned.
That
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
One
is
I,
am
here
representing
myself
as
a
unit
owner
of
Belgravia?
I
am
a
I'm
a
board
president
and
I
represent
the
board.
The
board
consists
of
seven
members,
so
I'm
not
representing
all
unit
owners
in
our
building.
J
So
that's
never
the
I
never
intended
that
to
be
the
the
case,
but
but
it
does
represent
the
view
of
the
board
and
me
as
far
as
the
use
of
the
park
I
think
the
picture
you
have
I
think
I
was
actually
at
the
park.
That
day.
That
was
like
the
first
warm
day.
We've
had
here
in
Boise
and
a
long
cold
winter,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
people.
There.
J
Part
typically
doesn't
see
that
many
people,
the
everybody,
would
you
know
on
the
one
side
somebody
says
we
need
a
restroom,
but
they
really
don't
provide
a
whole
lot
of
data
on
the
need.
It'd
be
like
saying
somebody,
we
don't
need
a
restroom.
Well
where's.
J
The
data
I
have
seen
a
porta
potty
out
there
on
that
site,
maybe
three
or
four
times
the
last
five
years
so
and
I'm
sure
they
have
records
of
just
exactly
how
many
times
if
it's
used
over
a
weekend,
usually
that's
what
it
is,
there's
a
wedding
event
and
something
will
get
delivered
there
on
a
Friday
and
picked
up
on
a
Monday.
J
I,
see
and
I
see
it
when
it
happens,
and
it's
just
it's
very
rare
and
then
when
they
do,
that,
I
would
just
want
to
go
back
to
stress
just
about
the
Aesthetics
I.
Think
it's
a
little
pretentious
to
criticize
the
park.
It's
not
intended
to
be
a
Historic
Park.
It
is
a
historic
themed.
Park,
it's
like
a
museum
piece.
It
has
historic
artifacts
as
part
of
our
history
and
it's
a
very
well
thoughtfully,
designed
Park
and
I.
Think
any
modifications
to
that
Park
should
respect
that
and
you
can
go
there.
J
If
you
look
at
the
benches
look
at
the
bike
racks,
they
are
all
intentionally
designed
to
fit
in
with
the
theme
of
that
Park
and
I.
Just
think
that
the
proposed
structure
that
is
there
is
just
is
an
Abomination.
Is
this
right
up
front
right
at
the
main
entry?
It's
just
not
an
appropriate
location
for
that
restroom.
L
Made
some
of
our
points,
so
what's
your
name
Victor
Miller,
834,
West,
Two,
Rivers,
Lane
and
Eagle
kind
of
made
some
of
our
points.
He
said
it
was
about
events,
but
we
already
know
that's
average
10
events
and
we
need
don't
need
a
loop
for
365
days.
He
talks
about
DC
DC
did
the
survey,
but
all
the
cities
that
we're
talking
about
are
slightly
larger,
but
most
of
them
are
smaller
than
Boise
and
they've.
L
Having
and
they're
having
these
problems
you
mentioned
graffiti
and
all
the
maintenance,
all
that
there's
never
been
a
budget
like
I'd
love
to
see
the
budget
on
what
this
is
going
to
mean
for
the
city
right
and,
and
the
you
talked
about.
The
three-dimensional
commissioner
parks-
and
you
know
on
one
side
of
the
park
is
a
is
a
is,
is
a
is
an
apartment
building
on
another
side,
so
this
side
of
the
park
is
apartment.
Building
this.
L
P
L
The
manufacturer
and
what
it
tells
us
it
says
it's
not
open
to
visible
location
with
a
lot
of
pedestrian
vehicle
traffic.
It's
not
near
a
commercial
area.
Even
she
admitted
it
was
a
block
away
and
Noah,
and
they
always
say
you
should
have
people
that
are
have
already
signed
up
to
have
eyes
kept
on
it.
We
don't
have
that
it
does
not
have
nearby
business
Community
buy-in.
Nobody
asked
the
businesses
or
the
community.
It
does
not
have
good
Street
lighting
at
night.
L
Someone
even
mentioned
Mr
Miller
mentioned
that
if
it
was
bad
we'd
put
in
Street
lighting,
we
don't
have
it
that's
right,
and
there
are
no
Arrangements
have
been
made
for
the
police
monitoring
night.
There's
like
just
too
many
open
questions,
and
it's
for
you
know.
If
we're
averaging
10
days
of
events,
we
don't
need
something
there
for
365
days.
So,
lastly,
the
you
know
the
actually
the
the
thing
about
the
the
Magnolias
right.
L
Even
Mr
Miller
admitted
that
those
are
going
to
be
off-site,
so
they're,
actually
not
going
to
be
remediated
they're,
going
to
be
like
buying
a
carbon
credits
for
some
other
company.
It's
they're
going
to
be
tree
put
somewhere
else
to
make
up
for
the
one
that's
taken
out
here:
the
amount
of
disruption,
the
amount
of
it
just
hasn't
been
thought
all
the
way
through
and
I.
Think
there's
just
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions
and
I
I
wouldn't
would
beg
you
to
not
approve
this.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
with
that,
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
we
will
render
a
decision
so
I
invite
emotion
or
discussion
from
my
fellow
Commissioners
to
get
us.
H
Going
some
chair
if
I
can
start
with
some
discussion
initially
I
was
supportive
of
this
deferral
after
we
were
handed.
The
quite
large
study
that
we
had
not
seen
before
I
felt
that
it
was
critical
that
the
city
of
Boise
review
that
as
well
as
for
the
commission,
to
have
time
to
review
it
before
using
that
information
to
help
us
render
a
decision
tonight.
H
H
You
know,
and
I
mentioned
in
in
March,
that
my
my
son's
preschool
uses
this
park
on
an
almost
daily
basis,
as
well
as
Sheree
Buckner
Webb
Park,
which
they
call
pink
tree
and
knowing
that
the
children
are
already
using
the
Portland
Lou
at
Cherie,
Buckner,
Webb,
Park
and
knowing
that
the
park
or
that
facility
already
has
needle
drop
points
in
this
one
would
as
well
is
no
really
no
longer
really
that
much
of
a
concern
to
me
in
terms
of
the
magnolia
trees.
I.
H
Think
that's
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
really
feel
that
great
about,
but
all
in
all
in
terms
of
Public,
Safety
I
think
having
a
facility
at
this
location
would
do
more
benefit
than
harm,
especially
when
we're
using
the
children
as
a
reason
to
not
have
it
there.
H
H
So
with
that
I
I.
Think
at
this
point,
I
would
be.
G
My
Commissioners
I'm
Adam,
chair
I,
would
I
would
say
that
I
do
appreciate
everyone's
testimony
and
everyone's
thoughtfulness
in
in
this
project.
G
I
I
question
whether
whether
the
things
like
considering
the
safety
of
the
facility,
the
need
for
the
facility,
the
cost
for
the
facility,
the
logistics
of
maintaining
the
facility,
whether
that's
really
under
the
preview
of
the
historic
preservation
commission,
you
know
we
don't
question
a
homeowner
when
they
bring
in
an
addition
to
their
home.
Are.
Are
you
sure
you
can
afford
this?
G
You
know
those
are
questions
that
we
are
not
really
a
part
of
of
our
purview.
I
feel
that
the
the
placement
is
is
is
thoughtful.
The
park
the
nature
of
the
park,
while
it's
in
a
historic
district,
the
park
itself
is
not
a
Historic
Park.
It
is.
G
It
has
historic
elements
in
it
that
are
the
the
bones
of
the
city
that
used
to
to
be,
and
those
those
are
interesting,
I
feel
the
placement
is,
is
respectful
of
that,
while,
while
at
least
being
practical
in
its
location,
I
appreciate
the
notion
of
considering
color
of
the
facility
I
think
that
will
help
it
be
a
a
better
element
within
within
the
park
and
and
in
support
of
denying
the
appeal.
D
Well,
my
second,
a
lot
of
that
I
did
spend
a
Time
researching
and
using
all
of
that,
as
sort
of
a
benefit
to
our
research
in
doing
so
and
I
do
have
to
agree
regarding
what
our
role
is
in
making
this
decision
and
I
do
think
we
look
at
things
like
safety
to
an
extent,
but
at
the
same
time,
historic
preservation.
Commission
is
not
always
responsible
for
costs
and
looking
at
10-year
plans,
and
things
like
that,
so
I
do
have
to
second
that
comment.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Pape
I
agree
with
my
fellow
Commissioners
I
think
that
the
fact
that
the
closest
public
restroom
is
nine
blocks
away
is
absurd
in
a
city,
that's
growing
in
a
city
that
we
want
to
be
Lively
that
we
want
to
attract
people
to
public
spaces.
Again.
This
is
a
public
space
in
public
spaces
goal
is
to
attract
and
serve
the
public,
and
if
the
public
is
young
children
I
take
my
young
children
there.
You
know
I
take
my
college
students.
B
There
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
create
amenities
that
can
serve
the
public.
This
this
site
was
compared
to
a
museum
and
museums
have
bathrooms.
H
C
E
B
B
S
Yes,
this
is,
as
stated,
that
I
request
to
move
to
that
demo
and
existing
non-contributing
structure
and
construct
a
new
single
family
residence.
It's
in
the
East
End
and
the
house
is
non-contributing
was
made
non-contributing
by
a
previous
drh
application.
That
is
in
the
packet
because
of
basically
because
of
condition
issues.
It
lost
its
contributing
status.
So
it
is
acceptable
for
the
bits
of
the
property
that
remain
to
be
demolished
and
here's
the
photos.
S
That
was,
of
course,
the
site
location,
here's
the
photos
demonstrating
the
current
extent
condition
and
the
alley
View
and,
as
you
usually
see,
Neighbors
properties
to
get
a
sense
of
height
and
scale
and
what
is
around
there
and
the
property
across
the
street.
I'll
point
out
now
is
a
one
in
the
tree
obscures
it,
but
it's
a
sort
of
a
Craftsman
Bungalow
one
and
a
half
stories
fairly
tall
house.
S
This
is
the
proposed
site
and
Landscape
plan
to
give
you
an
idea
of.
What's
going
to
be
constructed,
and
here
the
elevation
and
some
floor
plans
to
get
a
the
sense
of
that
more
elevations
at
this
highlights
to
or
shows
you
the
house
itself
and
the
proposed
detached
garage,
Adu
structure,
and
it
this
house
does
relate
to
the
height
and
width
of
properties
in
the
area
it
has
mastings
and
forms
similar
to
neighboring
property.
S
It
uses
similar
building
materials
and
fenestrations
and
other
elements
to
to
make
the
form
and
the
real
form
itself
is
congruous
with
other
forms
found
around
it.
It's
it
has
a
front
porch,
which
is
appreciated
desired
and
often
seen
in
the
historic
district
and
the
peak
height
is
22
feet
six
and
for
the
yeah
Adu
and
23
feet,
seven
to
the
peak
for
the
primary
resonance,
and
so
it's
subordinate
in
height
to
a
degree
and
yeah.
S
It
uses
the
gable
roof
and
shed
Dormers
and
exterior
Stairway
to
the
second
story,
as
we
see,
often
in
adus
and
lap
siding
and
Design
Elements,
it's
a
contempt.
It's
a
compatible
appearance
and
it's
not
going
too
far
into
historicity
to
make.
It
seem
therefore
make
it
seem
like
a
current
Construction
and
with
all
of
that,
the
staff
recommends.
Approval
and
I
will
stand
for
questions.
B
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
questions
for
Mr,
Jarvis,
yeah,
all
right
hearing,
none.
We
will
now
hear
from
the
applicant
if
you
can
I
pressing
yes
excellent
step
forward,
we'd
like
to
hear
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Thank.
F
F
First
of
all,
as
you
could
see
in
those
photos
of
the
existing
structures
that
are
there.
Thank
goodness
that
it
is
non-contributing
you
know,
is
uninhabitable.
There's
nothing
to
that
structure
that
we
want
to
bring
forward
in
the
future
plans
as
provided.
Not
only
does
it
have
the
new
site
plan
that
does
abide
by
you
know
all
setbacks,
and
everything
like
that,
but
also
fits
in
with
the
Aesthetics
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
like
Mr
Jarvis
had
mentioned,
does
fit
that
craftsman
style.
There's,
no
modern
architecture
with
that.
F
T
Good
evening
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
I
live
at
1204,
East,
State,
Street
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Houston
neighborhood
association.
Tonight,
I
will
say:
I
was
really
you
know,
was
really
concerned
about
what
was
going
to
take
the
place
of
the
home.
That
was
moved
from
contributing
status
to
non-contributing
status,
and
this
is
a
breath
of
fresh
air
I.
T
B
Okay,
I
will
go
to
the
sign
up
sheet.
I
do
not
have
anybody
on
the
sign
up
sheet.
Is
there
anybody
present
willing
to
wanting
to
testify
that
didn't
get
a
chance
to
sign
up
anybody
online
wanting
to
testify
no
all
right
hearing
none.
We
have
a
rebuttal
by
the
applicant.
If
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
and
say
any
final
thoughts
sounds
like
you're,
good,
okay,
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
render
a
decision
so
I
open
to
either
a
motion
or
conversation.
H
Madam
chair,
if
I
may,
normally
with
situations
like
this
I
think
I
know
for
me
and
several
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
an
example
of
what
happened
here,
could
set
a
pretty
negative
precedent
in
our
historic
districts,
but
I
think
this
application
maybe
took
a
really
bad
situation
and
set
a
good
example
of
what
you
could
potentially
do
and
as
the
Eastern
neighborhood
association
representative
mentioned,
it
is
definitely
a
breath
of
fresh
air
and
so
with
that,
I
will
make
a
motion
if
possible.
H
I
move
to
approve
item
number
five
gear
h23-00059
based
on
the
recommended
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
I
E
B
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
As
you
just
mentioned,
this
is
a
request
to
construct
a
new
accessory
dwelling
in
above
an
existing
garage
located
on
McKinley
Street.
In
the
East
end,
the
site
is
located
on
the
north
side
of
McKinley
adjacent
to
the
Cottonwood
Creek
Flume
and
thus
is
treated
as
a
corner
lot
for
setback
purposes,
photo
of
the
existing
residence,
a
modest,
minimal,
minimalist
traditional
structure
exists
on
the
property
and
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
is
an
existing
single
story
garage.
A
So
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
take
this
existing
garage
and
add
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
on
top
of
the
structure,
a
site
plan
for
reference
showing
the
location
of
the
of
the
primary
home
and
the
accessory
structure
on
the
property
with
the
alley
at
the
rear.
A
So
the
applicant
has
proposed
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
over
the
garage
that
exceeds
the
height
of
the
primary
structure
by
approximately
three
feet:
three
inches.
In
addition
to
that,
it
does
have
significant,
don't
shed
dormers
on
the
sides
of
the
structure
which
exceed
eight
feet
in
width.
That
classifies
the
structure
as
a
full
two-story
structure.
A
Therefore,
with
the
height
of
the
structure
much
you
know
significantly
taller
than
the
existing
residents
and
more
massive,
we
do
recommend
denial
of
the
application.
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
U
It's
where
my
office
is
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
application
to
have
this
structure
Adu
be
built
on
top
of
an
existing
garage.
The
existing
garage
has
a
flat
roof
and,
and
speaking
with
Mr
Jarvis,
we
discussed
that
changing
it
to
a
peak
roof
to
match
the
existing
structure.
The
house,
which
is
only
about
800
square
foot
house,
would
be
more
congruent
with
historic
guidelines
and
then
without
demoing.
U
U
We
have
to
have
a
little
extra
altitude
for
people
to
get
around
in
it,
and
the
the
dormers
on
the
sides
were
designed
to
give
the
secondary
structure
harmony
with
the
first
and
shed
Dormers
seemed
to
be
a
good
way
to
do
it.
I
saw
in
the
previous
application.
They
were
also
using
shed
Dormers
in
a
in
a
story
and
a
half
structure.
This
wasn't
intentionally
designed
to
be
a
two-story
structure.
U
It
was
you
know,
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
for
people
to
be
able
to
stand
up
tall
and
have
enough
square
footage
to
be
able
to
create
a
structure
where
people
could
actually
inhabit
it
and
or
use
as
an
office
space.
Since
the
existing
home
only
has
one
bedroom
and
one
bathroom
I
believe
that
you
know
I'm
I'm
willing
to
look
more
carefully
at
bringing
this
structure
down.
U
I,
don't
know
that
it's
an
absolute
law
that
they
have
to
be
exactly
or
the
secondary
structure
has
to
be
subordinate
to
the
first,
perhaps
there's
something
we
can
do
to
shorten
the
the
height
of
the
project.
And
so
my
question
is
if
we
were
able
to
match
the
height
of
the
house
by
lowering
the
garage
with
that.
Take
care
of
all
of
the
issues
that
this
particular
request
for
appropriateness.
Would
that
resolve
the
issues?
And
if
so,
we
would
be
willing
to
compromise.
U
Other
than
that
I
think
the
altitude
was
the
primary
reason
for
not
supporting
this.
So
if,
if
the
process
is
taking
quite
a
long
time
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
think
my
client
would
be
becoming
exhausted
at
this
point,
if
we
could
come
up
with
some
sort
of
resolution,
I
would
like
to
move
this
thing
forward
and
get
supportive
staff
and
the
commission.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant?
No
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
anyone
representing
the
neighborhood
association
here.
T
Foreign
chair
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
I
live
at
1204,
East,
State,
Street,
Boise,
83712,
and
tonight
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
East
End
neighborhood
association
in
it
has
some
concerns
with
this
application.
This
is
a
contributing
small
Bungalow
that
is
surrounded
by
homes
of
similar
size,
with
the
exception
of
the
new
bill
to
the
West,
which
was
recently
replaced
due
to
a
fire.
The
concerns
that
we
have
are
the
height
and
the
full
two
stories.
We
would
prefer
to
see
a
story
and
a
half.
T
This
Adu
is
being
built
at
the
back
of
the
lot.
That
has
a
one-way
only
alley.
There
is
a
lot
of
bike,
ped
and
vehicle
traffic
at
this
Crossing,
and
it
has
been
recognized
by
achd
as
a
high
volume
traffic
problem
with
construction
at
the
site.
The
problem
will
only
get
worse
and
potentially
dangerous.
We
feel
that
this
should
be
taken.
A
look
at
before
any
construction
begins
of
any
kind.
T
Ina
was
not
notified
of
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
we
are
concerned
that
the
meeting
was
there
was
not
a
meeting
with
the
neighbors
to
notify
them
of
the
construction
project.
The
hearing
notification
was
posted
behind
the
owner's
fence
and
was
not
easily
visible
to
the
neighbors.
We
are
concerned
that
the
homeowner
was
not
aware
of
the
proper
application
process
and
therefore
the
neighbors
were
not
properly
notified
and
given
the
opportunity
to
look
at
the
project
and
to
comment,
we
support
the
staff's
findings
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
all
right,
so
I
will
move
to
our
sign
up
sheet.
Mr
Lovich
is
the
only
one
on
here.
Right
now
is.
Are
there
other
members
here
that
didn't
get
a
chance
to
sign
up
wishing
to
testify
anybody
online?
B
No
all
right!
Hearing,
none
I,
welcome
the
applicant
back
up
for
his
five
minute
rebuttal.
U
Joe
levich
levka
Builders
114,
East
35th
in
rebuttal,
I
apologize.
My
clerical
error
I
think
there
was
frustration
over
the
application
process
and
then
the
delays
and
then
the
I
did
not
hold
a
neighborhood
meeting
so
I
apologize
for
that
I
typically
do
and
I
typically
have
nobody
respond.
That
was
not
the
reason
for
not
having
that
meeting
my
fault
as
far
as
the
building
in
a
in
an
area
we
are
well
versed.
U
My
company
is
well
versed
in
dealing
with
issues
related
to
working
in
tight
spaces
and
I
do
believe
we
could
mitigate
any
safety
hazards.
My
observation
of
that
particular
Street,
which
is
hardly
a
street,
it's
more
of
an
alley
that
people
use,
is
something
we
could
address
easily.
There's
plenty
of
room
on
the
lot
on
the
lot
for
parking
vehicles
and
or
quick
deliveries.
Etc
so
I
believe
that
we
could
mitigate
that
in
speaking
directly
with
the
historic
district
represent
representative
Community
representative,
yes
I.
U
My
my
question
again
is
to
staff,
and
perhaps
this
has
to
be
deferred
is
if
the
altitude
is
the
primary
concern
and
the
secondary
concern
of
safety,
which
I
think
we
could
address
we're
able
to
be
resolved.
Could
we
move
forward?
That's
my
question.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
all
right.
Any
final
questions
for
the
applicant
hearing.
None
I
will
close
the
hearing
and
render
we
will
render
a
decision
so
can
I
have
a
motion
or
discussion
manager.
H
Mr
montodo
I
do
want
to
just
close
on
the
record
that
I
live
within
300
feet
of
this
project
and
I
did
receive
a
mailer,
but
I
will
be
abstaining.
Thank
you.
G
So,
to
kind
of
start
some
discussion
yeah,
you
know
the
the
primary
residence
is
very
simple
in
nature.
It's
very
simple
in
form
the
the
the
garage
and
back
as
it
exists
now
is
definitely
a
secondary
structure.
The
proposal
provides
additional
housing,
yay
and
Adu
I.
Think
that's
a
great
a
great
thing.
G
I
think
that
the
proposed
design
is
is
a
simple
design
as
well
in
relationship
and
and
congruent
with
the
architecture
of
the
house
itself.
I.
Think,
in
my
my
view,
it
is,
it
is
the
height.
The
fact
that
it
is
would
be
extended
above
the
height
of
the
primary
dwelling
unit.
I
I
think
that
perhaps
a
shortened
design
would
not
be
inappropriate,
or
at
least
for
consideration.
You
know
I'd
be
curious
to
see
what
that
looks
like
and
how
that
would
work
with
the
primary
dwelling
unit.
I
I
also
agree
with
commissioner
Parks.
The
height
for
me
is
my
main
concern,
so
if
they
could
bring
down
the
height
I'm,
also
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
neighborhood
meeting,
not
happening
I,
always
think
it's
really
important
to
involve
the
public
and
involve
your
neighbors.
So
even
if
it's
an
after
the
fact
meeting
that
would
I
think
that
should
happen.
Also.
B
Malloy
I
guess
my
thoughts
are
you
know
it
is
a
small
structure
which
means
that
it
will
easily
be
overwhelmed,
and
so
that
doesn't
be
considered
when
we're
creating
the
agu
I
would
be
comfortable,
passing
it
back
down
to
to
staff
if
they
can
get
it
within
the
same
height
as
the
house
for
them
to
approve
it
at
that
level.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
see
it
come
back
up,
thoughts,
discussion
on
that.
D
Madam,
chair
I
feel
that
it
is
in
our
best
interest
to
support
that
if
there
is
a
possibility,
I
would
be
in
support
of
that
myself.
Thank.
I
G
So
I
would
move
to
defer
the
this
item
to
our
June
26th
meeting,
if
that's
appropriate
time
for
the
applicant
to
present
a
revised
proposal
that
is
No
taller
than
the
primary
dwelling
unit
and
of
of
comparable
minimal
traditional
design.
As
you
presented
to
us
this
evening,.
C
E
B
S
Yes,
this
is
in
the
Hay
Street
historic
district.
It's
a
contributing
structure.
Here's
the
site
to
give
you
a
sense
of
its
location
and
its
opportunity
to
the
North
High
School.
S
Here's,
the
grouping
of
site
photos
that
were
provided
it
is,
as
you'll
see
a
mission.
It's
a
minimum.
I'm
gonna
call
it
something
that
isn't
a
minimalist
minimalist
mission,
Revival,
which
is
not
really
what
it
is,
but
that's
close
enough,
but
and
I
hear
some
sight,
photos
of
adjacent
properties
and
properties
on
the
site.
S
The
red
is
indicating
the
site
structures
that
currently
exist
behind
the
property
and
to
the
right
we're
seeing
the
site
plan
that
shows
a
hyphenated
garage
with
bedrooms
above
and
I
believe
a
recreation
room
is
also
above.
So
it's
a
different
than
a
garage
Adu.
S
Here's
the
floor
plans
that
demonstrate
of
what
I'm
referring
to
and
here
are
the
elevations
that
indicate
that
the
the
proposed
structure
is
slightly
taller
but
with
within
a
pretty
good
range
of
the
existing
residents
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
hyphen
sort
of
differentiates
itself
by
re-utilizing
extant
materials
on
the
outbuilding.
That
is
to
be
demolished.
S
And
here's
two
more
elevations
of
the
garage,
some
prospective
drawings,
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
it
looks
and
as
I
mentioned
it's
this-
this
is
attached,
which
is
a
bit
unusual,
but
this
is
attached
by
that
narrow
hyphen.
It's
not
like
it's
a
complete.
S
You
know
totally
attached
Square
on
back
to
the
back
of
the
property
and
that
hyphen
and
that
hallway
needs
to
happen
because
it's
you
know
it's
a
bedroom
access,
so
the
kids,
Etc
and
the
Apple
will
speak
to
this
too,
probably
have
a
covered
way
to
get
to
the
bedroom.
So
you
know
you
don't
want
that
separated
as
part
of
the
house
versus
when
we
usually
see
a
garage
80
units.
S
Is
that
other
thing
that
is
out
back,
but
the
roof
line
is
the
pitch
and
the
orientation
they're
all
relate
to
the
primary
residence.
A
lot
of
work
was
put
forth
back
and
forth
with
us
in
the
applicant
to
get
the
forums
to
be
more
congruous
with
the
forms
of
the
existing
house
and
the
roof.
Peak
is
well
I'm.
Sorry,
the
addition
roof
page
is
11
feet,
11
inches
that
is
actually
taller.
I.
S
Think
than
the
primary
residence
so
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions
and
we
do
recommend
approval.
I
Do
we
have
questions
for
staff
and
I'm
sure
I
have
a
question
so
Richard
you
list
out
the
history
of
previous
actions
and
I
was
wondering
when
the
windows
on
the
front
of
the
house
were
replaced.
S
I
B
You
other
questions
for
Stuff
all
right
hearing,
none
we'll
now
hear
from
the
applicant.
P
V
Richard,
first
of
all,
thanks
to
Josh
and
Richard
for
providing
information
early
on
and
then
working
with
us
as
we've
moved
this
design
over
the
past
few
weeks
few
months.
So
thanks
for
your
time,
I
wanted
to
just
quickly
run
through
this
presentation.
That
has
a
little
bit
more
context
about
where
we've
started,
where
the
staff
recommendation
is
at
now.
So
hopefully
this
summarizes
relatively
straightforward.
If
you
start
at
the
top
and
work
your
day
way
down
to
the
bottom,
that's
how
it's
been
iterative
along
the
way.
V
So
we
started
with
version
one
which
was
a
very
minimalist
Mission
Revival
approach
for
to
be
in
context
with
the
home.
It
uses
the
same
slope
on
a
hip
roof
you'll
notice.
The
main
house
doesn't
have
dormers
on
it
at
the
moment,
but
the
pitches
in
the
first
version
were
trying
to
complement
the
existing
reform.
V
We
then
began
working
with
staff
and
trying
to
make
some
improvements
just
based
on
the
form,
the
the
massing
to
to
read
I
believe
more
as
a
one
and
a
half
story,
our
home
is
a
garden
level
home
that
has
five
steps
from
street
level.
Up
to
it,
so
a
lot
of
the
volume
is
above
grade
helps
us.
In
this
instance,
I
think
the
peak
of
our
home
is
around
19
feet.
V
We
didn't
like
the
second
version
as
much
with
kind
of
the
craftsman
style.
Look,
it
didn't
feel
appropriate.
So
then
we
landed
at
version
three,
which
has
a
combination
of
hip
Dormers
and
a
clipped
Gable.
V
So
overall,
through
that
the
height
was
able
to
reduce
by
five
inches,
we
relocated
the
chimney
from
its
original
location
into
the
the
connector
and
then
a
couple
other
things
that
we've
already
mentioned
kind
of
tone
down
the
colors
on
the
on
the
connector
and
also
on
the
roof.
V
In
the
current
iteration,
the
floor
plan
really
calls
for
about
a
one
and
a
half
car
garage.
So
even
more
of
that
footprint
is
less
of
an
accessory
use
and
more
of
a
addition
to
the
home
and
I
think
that
was
an
interesting
part
of
our
dialogue
with
this
project
is:
what's
the?
How
do
you
differentiate
between
an
accessory
use
in
an
addition,
and
my
experience
in
planning
oftentimes
accessory
uses
are
incidental
or
subordinate
like
a
garage
with
the
Standalone
Adu
or
Studio
or
Greenhouse
like
we
have
here?
V
70
of
this
request
is
actually
an
extension
of
the
primary
function
of
the
home,
highlighting
that
here
for
you,
you
see
that
the
connector
doubles
as
a
circulation
for
the
upstairs
space,
there's
a
mudroom
and
laundry
room
as
you
exit
the
garage
and
in
that
above
space,
there's,
yes,
kind
of
a
wreck
area
bathroom
and
then
two
bedrooms
for
our
for
a
family.
V
So,
in
our
opinion
this,
when
you
look
at
the
guidelines,
it
seems
important
because
there's
a
lot
of
call
outs
for
accessory
uses
versus
new
additions,
and
we
thought
that
was
helpful
as
we
walked
through
the
guidelines.
With
this
to
kind
of
our
intent,
we
did
want
to
keep
things
simple
minimal
as
possible.
V
We
wanted
to
preserve
as
much
of
that
primary
home
as
we
could
not
do
an
addition
off
the
back
or
above,
but
to
preserve
it
as
much
as
we
can,
and
you
can
see
it's
all
still
there.
There
will
be
a
small
connecting
element
where
the
the
hallway
comes
into
the
home
and
from
the
from
Fort
Street,
where
probably
95
percent
of
the
foot
traffic
happens.
That
little
highlight
is
what
you
would
see
of
the
roof.
Beyond
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Malloy,
to
your
question.
V
V
Appropriate
angled
Cedar
with
some
transom
Windows
on
it
when
we
purchased
the
home
over
a
decade
ago,
it
had
a
fiberglass
store
on
it
that
just
did
not
read
well
with
the
property.
Also,
since
then,
we
we
did
change
all
the
windows
in
the
home
to
guideline
compliant
Windows.
There
were
vinyl
windows
before
we
did
that
and
I'm
happy
to
provide
more
information
on
the
window,
and
we
would
be
trying
to
make
them
match
the
same
grid
pattern
that
we
have
on
the
primary
home.
With
this
Edition.
V
V
We
also
relied
on
Section
4.2
in
the
guidelines
that
back
side
of
our
home
is
south
facing.
It
gets
a
tremendous
amount
of
daylight,
which
is
especially
great
in
the
winter
time.
We
can
almost
heat
our
home
during
the
day
with
the
light
that
comes
in
through
those
windows.
So
we
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
the
allowance
and
the
guidelines
to
kind
of
decouple.
The
massing
in
this
way
also
cross
ventilation,
and
it
would
hopefully,
sometime
in
the
future,
allow
us
to
maybe
even
install
some
photovoltaic
some
solar
panels
on
the
home.
V
All
of
that
massing
was
intentional
to
help
preserve
that
the
connector
piece
is
specifically
called
out
too
in
the
guidelines,
and
you
can
see
these
examples
that
even
have
something
similar
where
an
addition
is
linked
via
a
connector
pieces
called
out
here,
and
this
just
hopefully
shows
a
little
bit
of
how
the
design
we
have
creates
that
type
of
space
is
area
with
daylight,
cross
ventilation
and
and
good
solar
access.
I
will
say,
too,
that
our
property
is
in
the
R3
zone.
So
it's
the
high
density
residential
area.
V
V
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
become
as
Charming
as
these
photographs,
but
this
gives
you
some
examples
of
some
real
world
Courtyards
in
a
in
architecture.
That
kind
of
has
the
same
Vibe
as
our
home.
We
love
our
home.
We
love
this
Mission
Revival
architecture,
and
this
type
of
linkage
to
two
different
masses
is
fairly
common.
When
you
look
at
that
type
of
architecture,
so
we
also
felt
like
we
weren't,
trying
to
recreate
or
Force
something
on
the
property.
With
this
look,
that
said,
we
feel
like.
V
We
would
be
remiss
to
not
ask
the
commission
what
your
opinion
is
on
where
we
started
and
where
we're
at
now
with
some
of
the
feedback
we
do
feel
like
the
minimal
nature
of
the
initial
request
stays
very
consistent
with
the
original
home.
This
shows
that
chimney
moved
and
the
materiality
materiality
changed.
V
So
these
are
just
a
couple
images
of
you
for
you
when
you
go
into
deliberation,
because
we
still
prefer
where
we
close
to
what
we
started,
we're
more
than
willing
to
move
the
chimney,
change
the
materials
and
then
comparing
with
where
we're
at
now,
with
guidance
from
staff
know.
That
said,
we
are
eager
to
move
forward
and
if
the
latest
iteration
is
what
the
commission
also
happens
to
support
we're
ready
and
willing
to
move
forward
with
that
recommendation.
G
So
not
really
so
much
a
question.
I
guess
Madam
chair,
thank
you.
I
want
to
commend
the
applicant
for
your
thoughtfulness
in
the
design.
Whatever
the
commission's
decision
is,
I
appreciate
the
thoughtfulness
that
you
you
went
through
in
your
design
process
and
I
guess
just
to
clarify
was
the
first.
The
the
upper
design
was
that
was
that
in
our
packet.
E
S
Don't
think
it
is
no.
The
package
contained
the
finalized
kind
of
post
negotiation.
Here's
what
we
want
to
present.
V
H
Mr
Alexander,
could
you
go
back
to
or
yeah
I
think
you
have
the
clicker?
Could
you
go
back
to
the
slide
that
has
all
three
elevations
yeah
please
thank
you.
B
All
right
well
hearing
no
questions,
I
think
we
can
see
if
anybody
from
the
neighborhood
association
is
here
yeah.
Thank.
W
Sandy
Herman
and
I'm
from
the
Nema
Nina
historic
committee.
My
address
is
1404
North,
7th,
Street
Madam,
chair
and
commission
members
for
transparency
sake.
We
would
like
to
state
that
the
homeowner
is
on
the
Neenah
board.
W
Staff
has
recommended
this
project.
The
historic
committee,
our
our
committee
within
Nina,
would
like
some
clarification
regarding
the
connect
connecting
hallway,
especially
since
we
are
aware
of
another
project
coming
up
soon,
where
the
homeowner
has
gone
to
Great
expense,
to
hide
the
connection
between
the
house
and
the
garage.
W
It's
our
understanding
that
the
standard
is
for
the
house
in
the
garage
to
remain
looking
separate,
and
we
understand
the
reason
why
the
homeowner
needs
to
have
this
Corridor,
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
uphold
standards
in
the
neighborhood
and
not
appear
to
allow
for
leniency
when
homeowners
or
Builders
have
have
connections
to
this
process.
So,
additionally,
we'd
like
to
state
that
we
preferred
iteration
one
in
style,
we
thought
that
it
went
went
best
with
with
the
original
home
and
I.
Think,
that's
it
for
me.
Thank
you.
W
B
All
right,
we
will
go
to
our
sign
up
sheet,
which
I
don't
have
anybody
signed
up?
Is
there
anybody
who
didn't
sign
up?
Who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
project?
B
Nobody
in
the
room,
anybody
online
doesn't
look
like
it.
Okay,
so
applicant
you're
welcome
to
come
back
up
for
a
rebuttal
answer.
Any
questions.
G
V
C
V
Other
screens-
okay,
sorry
I,
didn't
realize
it
was
up
for
you
yeah.
So
the
first
one
is
has
a
two
independent
doors
for
car
accident.
We
would
change
that
if
we
went
back
to
that
first
massing
and
go
back
to
a
single
more
of
a
one
and
a
half
car
garage
entry,
because
the
floor
plan
now
calls
for
that.
V
Mudroom
laundry
room
component
on
the
left
side
of
the
image
that
you're,
seeing
if
you're
looking
from
the
alley-
and
that
would
be
the
primary
change
we'd,
be
happy
to
add
a
window
along
that
facade
outside
of
the
laundry
area
like
you
see
on
the
other
iterations,
but
the
chimney
would
go
away.
That
was
one
thing.
We
were
more
than
happy
to
relocate
in
any
scenario
just
because
it
was
so
tall
and
move
it
to
the
Courtyard
space.
G
V
I
believe
that
was
to
be
a
general
intent,
yeah,
okay,
what
we?
What
we
do,
though,
is
lose
the
ability
to
really
mirror
that
hip
roof
and
from
an
elevation
perspective,
there's
maybe
even
more
horizontal,
horizontal
height
impact
on
that
third
iteration
But.
To
answer
your
question
yeah,
there
would
be
some
very
modest
changes
to
that
alley:
elevation
to
bring
it
into
that
more
one
and
a
half
car
entry,
and
maybe
an
additional
window
placed
okay.
B
Thank
you
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right,
sharing,
none,
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
render
a
decision
thanks.
B
You
motion
discussion.
I
And
there's
no
wrong
answers.
I,
like
version
three
more
okay,
I'll
just
put
that
on
the
table
and
leave
it
there.
Thank
you.
H
Madam,
chair
I,
think
that
I'd
like
to
address
the
issue
of
the
connecting
component
that
the
Nina
representative
had
brought
up
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
there
are
appropriate
ways
to
have
connections
in
a
project
and
I
think
that
this
application
is
a
great
example
of
that
and
I
would
suggest
that,
if
Nina's
ever
approached
by
a
resident
with
concerns
about
that
to
direct
them
to
the
guidelines.
H
Because
I
do
think
that
the
snippet
of
the
guideline
that
Mr
Alexander
showed
completely
and
fully
addresses
that
with
great
examples.
As
for
the
preference
of
which
design
I
prefer
I
I
actually
also
prefer
the
first
there's
something
about
the
roofline
on
the
third.
That
just
doesn't
quite
do
it
for
me
and.
H
G
I
think
either
either
way
it's
it's
it's
a.
It
is
a
respectful
way
to
provide
an
addition
to
a
dwelling.
I
think
the
the
courtyard
that
you
create
in
in
in
the
center
will
be
a
delightful
place
to
be
I
completely
agree
with
moving
the
fireplace
to
the
shorter
position
like
you've
shown
attached
to
the
connector
is
the
appropriate
move
between
the
the
two.
You
know
item
option
three:
the
roof
line
is,
is
kind
of
complex
I.
G
Understand
what
it's
trying
to
do,
though,
and
I
appreciate
that
in
in
when
we
look
at,
you
know
the
heights
of
additions
that
we
make
and
sort
of
how
they
interplay
with
the
original
structure
to
and
and
I
really
don't
know
that
I
have
a
strong
preference
one
way
or
the
other
I
would
be
happy
to
support
either
either
one
in
in
Emotion.
B
All
right,
my
two
cents
I
think
it's
a
great
project,
I
love
it
I,
love
the
courtyard
style.
I.
Think
it's
really
interesting
and
adding
kind
of
cool
value
to
the
home.
I
think
I,
like
version
one
but
I,
do
want
to
see
the
one
and
a
half
car
garage
and
the
the
tiny
window
that's
into
the
mud
room.
H
I
can
attempt
the
motion
Madam
chair,
but
please,
if
I
leave
anything
out,
let
me
know
I
move
to
approve
Dr
h23-00061.
H
G
The
relocation
of
the
fireplace
to.
H
Possibly
take
a
five
minute
break.
Absolutely
yes,
let's
take
a
five
minute
break.
B
B
S
Here's
the
site
plan
to
get
orientation
here
are
the
existing
photos
of
the
property
itself,
so
neighbors
views
up
and
down
alleys,
some
adjacent
properties
and
it
and
its
relationship
to
the
adjacent
pocket
park
and
the
bottom
two
photos
are
staff
photos
taken
to
give
an
even
clear
indication
of
its
the
existing
structures.
Visibility
from
said
Park
here
is
the
site
plan.
The
part
for
your
information
is
in.
S
Below
to
the
South
or
whatever
Direction,
this
is
a
landscape
plan
and
the
floor
plans
indicating
what
is
to
be
built
there
and
elevations
of
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
Forum
materials
and
the
mass
of
the
structure.
S
As
I
say,
this
is
going
to
be
a
Adu
above
a
detached
garage.
It'll
be
one
and
a
half
stories.
In
height
the
height
will
be
18
feet,
6,
which
is
the
same
as
the
height
to
the
peak
of
the
existing
house,
and
since
the
guidelines
recommend
the
the
accessory
did
not
exceed
the
height,
it
wins
it's
right
at
it.
It
uses
Gable,
Rose
and
shed
Dormers
and
exterior
stairways
to
the
Second
Story
thing
that
we
see
often
lap
siding
Congress
to
the
district.
S
Siding
window
materials
are
not
colored
out,
so
they
will
be
conditioned,
as
they
always
are
conditioned
just
to
ensure
that
we
get
the
correct
materials
for
the
construction
and
with
that
the
staff
recommends
approval.
I
will
stand
for
questions
great.
I
Chair
I
have
a
question
Richard,
so
our
guidelines
state
that
it's
6.1.9
I
know
sorry
I
write
one
yeah
6.1.9
located
Associated
dwelling
unit
or
garage
so
that
they
require
the
removal
of
a
significant
site
feature
or
primary
building
element.
So
it
says
it's
generally
not
appropriate
to
do
that
and
I
know.
We
have
a
lot
of
historic
garages
that
keep
getting
removed
that
are
considered
contributing
to
you
know
the
historic
district.
So
why
do
we
keep
seeing
staff
approval
of
removal
of
a
contributing
garages.
S
I
would
say,
generally,
the
garages
are
more
often
than
not
considered
to
be
an
accessory
structure
and
in
rare
instances,
depending
on
like
what
the
property
is,
and
let's
say
it's
a
historic
garage,
slash,
Carriage
House,
with
caretaker
room
above
you
know,
there's
there's
ways
that
a
garage
or
an
accessory
building
does
kind
of
could
possibly
Elevate
to
that
status
as
being
something
that's
worthy
of
keeping,
but
in
general
they're
there,
for
example,
in
the
historic
inventory
forms
they're
usually
not
referred
to,
though
there
is
some
variation
to
it.
S
It's
not
part
of
the
description
of
the
process
of
the
the
significance
of
the
structure,
and
so
it's
just
generally
considered
to
be
something
that
can
be
can
be
sacrificed
versus
the
primary
residence,
which
is
the
main
Crux
of
here's.
What
matters
and
here's?
What's
important:
here's
what
the
public
France!
This
is
not
you
know.
This
is
the
part
that
is
not
along
the
alley.
This
is
the
part.
S
That's
like
everybody
sees
so
this
one
just
happens
to
have
the
proximity
to
the
park,
to
make
it
visible
from
a
public
area.
Just
like
a
corner
lot
would
be
visible
from
the
public
area.
It
still
is
an
accessory
structure,
not
the
primary
historic
residence.
I
Okay
I
just
was
asking
at
the
National
Park
Service
has
recently
released
new
guidance
for
garages,
so
if
they
contribute
to
districts,
so
I
think
we
should
look
into
that
in
the
future.
E
B
No
other
questions
for
Steph
all
right
hearing,
none.
We
will
now
hear
from
the
applicant.
R
I
well
one
I,
don't
I,
didn't
know
that
or
I
didn't
believe
that
the
garage
was
contributing
and
I
designed
the
new
building
in
within
the
limits
that
I
could,
which
is
the
height
of
the
house
or
less
10
of
the
lot
size
or
less,
and
the
lot
is
4
880
feet
and
the
footprint
of
the
garage
is
480s,
480.
and
I
kind
of
really
liked
the
way
it
came
out
and
I
hope
you
approve
it.
H
Do
have
one
question:
if
I
may
Mr
straight,
can
you
speak
to
what
the
materials
you're
planning
on
using
it
looks
like
staff
has
conditioned
them,
but
can
you
speak
to
what
your
plan
is?
Yeah.
R
Actually,
on
one
of
the
elevations
I
put
a
note,
probably
in
the
wrong
place,
but
it
did
say
that
it
would
be
smooth
Hardy
panel
siding
the
shingles
would
be
composition
that
matched
the
house.
The
windows
would
be
Anderson,
a100
series
or
similar
and
I
know
I
had
to
pass
that
through,
but
I
think
you
know
and
I.
R
You
know
before
I
do
that
I'll.
You
know
with
staff
if
I
need
to
well.
You
know,
I
can't
be
more
specific
than
that.
You
know
Anderson
a100
series
and
they
are
a
you
know:
they're,
not
fiberglass
they're,
not
wood
covered
wood
or
aluminum
covered
with
they
are
a.
R
Compass
composition,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
it:
they're,
pretty
beautiful,
and
so
anyway,
it
is
on
one
of
the
elevations.
Thank.
B
E
B
It
any
other
questions,
I
think
we're
good.
Thank
you.
So
much
all
right
and
now
time
for
the
neighborhood
association.
W
Hi
Sandy
Herman
1404,
North,
7th,
Street,
Madam,
chair
and
commission.
The
homeowner
was
very
thoughtful
and
communicative
with
the
neighborhood
on
this
project,
and
we
see
no
issues
with
the
approval
of
it.
Great.
B
B
The
we
have
a
rebuttal
by
the
applicant
if
you'd
like
to
come
back
and
say
anything
all
good.
Okay,
in
that
case,
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
we
will
render
it
a
decision,
so
I
open
for
comments
or
a
motion.
I
Madam,
chair,
I'll,
open
up
her
comments,
minus
the
garage
being
historic
I,
don't
have
any
other
like
issues
with
the
proposed
design
or
the
Forum
or
the
massing
I
think
it
fits
in
the
neighborhood,
but
I
would
like
to
look
at
garages
in
the
future
and
keep
some
historic
ones.
Thank
you.
B
H
B
S
Here's
the
site
plan
photographs
showing
the
existing
structure
and
structures
in
the
adjacent
vicinity,
some
alley
shots
and
more
of
the
photos
of
adjacent
structures
and
the
rear
yard
Etc.
S
This
is
a
site
plan
indicating
where
they're
proposed
structure
will
be
for
plans,
and
here
are
elevations
of
the
two-story
structure.
That
is
behind
the
one
story.
Existing
historic
structure.
S
S
This
property
is
a
two-story
garage,
whereas
the
house
is
a
one
story
and
will
be
taller
than
the
residents
as
well
as
adjacent
properties,
and
of
note
is
that
the
actual
difference
in
the
building
height
is
greater,
but,
as
you
would
have
seen
in
the
elevations,
there's
a
great
change
of
approximately
one
foot
downward
through
the
backyard
to
sight
that
garage
Adu,
one
foot
blower.
So
that
adds
a
foot
to
the
overall
actual
height.
S
The
mass
size
and
height
should
be
for
an
accessory
structure.
It
needs
to
ensure
that
it
is
subordinate
to
the
primary
residence
and
a
two-story
accessory
structure
is
discouraged.
When
the
house
is
a
one-story
structure,
we
recommended
the
design
to
be
modified
to
be
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure
which
would
have
been
more
appropriate.
But
this
is
the
proposal
that
wanted
to
be
presented
to
the
commission.
S
The
Secretary
of
Standards
nine
says
that
it
will
needs
to
be
compatible
with
historic
materials
size
scale
proportion
Etc
has
demonstrated.
This
proposed
construction
is
of
an
incompatible
size
and
scale
and
massing
and
therefore
does
not
meet
this
standard.
With
that
Steph
recommends
denial.
I
will
stand
for
questions.
B
We
have
questions
for
Stuff,
no
all
right
here.
None
is
the
applicant
here
online.
It
looks
like
excellent
if
we
can
get
your
name
and
address.
X
Can
I
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen?
Is
that
possible
it'll.
X
Okay,
sorry
I
didn't
realize
I
was
muted,
so
this
is.
X
X
The
original
application
had
the
existing
garage,
which
was
on
the
Alley,
which
is
also
experienced
flooding
because
of
the
current
location
that
we
had
proposed
relocating
and
but
because
we
were
within
setbacks,
we
had
to
ask
for
variances
that
was
part
of
the
denial
of
the
previous
application.
X
So
so
we
heard
that
and
we
moved
the
Adu
garage
into
the
property
outside
of
the
setbacks,
so
that
we
met
all
of
Boise
city
code
in
our
design.
So
this
is
some
site
photos.
I
wanted
to
point
out
the
structured
next
to
the
East
Elevation
off
of
the
alley,
there's
a
the
neighboring
property
kind
of
towers
over
the
the
existing
garage.
X
So
when
looking
at
context
of
surrounding
structures,
all
of
the
surrounding
properties
are
taller
than
this
house,
so
it
you
know,
we
wanted
to
pay
attention
to
context
and
we're
not
we're
not
towering
over
anything
adjacent.
X
This
shows
the
house
to
the
South,
and
this
shows
the
AL
house
across
the
alleyway.
So
again,
like
all
all
larger
structures.
This
is
a
a
smaller
structure
within
the
neighborhood,
so
we
took
a
look
at
that
in
the
design,
so
we
did
bring
the
original
application
had
this
structure
four
feet
above
the
existing
house,
so
we
minimize
it
as
much
as
we
could
with
and
a
lot
of
this
design
was
trying
to
stay
in
harmony
with
the
existing
house.
X
So
the
thing
is:
there's
a
lot
of
one
and
a
half
stories
that
are
achieved
that
one
and
a
half
story
status
by
being
within
the
roof
line.
But
we
have
a
very
shallow
roof
to
work
within
here,
so
it
would.
It
would
be
out
of
character
to
the
house
if
we,
if
we
did
it
one
and
a
half
story
within
that
roof
line.
X
So
that
was
another
reason
why
we
tried
to
bring
down
the
height
without
being
your
typical
one
and
a
half
story
just
because
we
didn't
have
that
steep
roof
to
work
within
and
we
still
tried
to
keep
the
proportion
very
proportionate
to
the
house.
So
you
know
it's
still
submissive
to
the
main
structure
right
now,
we're
only
at
one
foot
above
one
foot
and
a
half
inch
above
the
existing
structure.
X
So
this
shows
the
other
elevations
using
similar
materials.
Again
and
Architectural
elements
is
the
existing
house
and
you
can
see
in
the
massive
here.
We
still
tried
to
keep
it
proportionate
to
an
accessory
structure.
X
And
you
can
also
see
from
the
public
right
away.
This
is
not
you
can't
even
see
the
house
so,
even
though
it
is
slightly
taller
than
the
existing
structure
from
the
public
right
away.
That
will
be
noticeable,
so
that
is.
B
W
Hi
Sandy
Herman,
1404,
North,
7th,
Street,
Madam,
chair
and
commission.
This
project
is
located
on
a
block
in
a
valley
that
has
many
unique
and
varied
houses
that
have
seen
a
lot
of
changes
through
through
the
years
there
are
two-story
houses
on
this
block.
The
Alley
itself
is
unique,
as
the
north
Outlet
turns
and
goes
uphill
to
Hill
Road.
W
W
The
property
directly
north
of
the
of
this
property
has
a
second
story
on
the
garage
that,
because
of
the
slope,
will
likely
appear
taller
than
the
proposed
project.
There's
also
another
large
two-story
garage
with
very
similar
style
to
this
one,
just
two
doors
down
to
the
South
and
I
have
a
picture
of
that,
but
I
didn't
submit
it.
Unfortunately,
we
will
we
like
the
proposed
design
and
worry
that
the
changing
the
style
to
a
one
and
a
half
story
with
Dormers
would
make
it
less
harmonious
with
the
house.
W
B
All
right,
I
will
now
go
to
our
signup
sheet.
I
do
not
have
anybody
signed
up
on
this.
Is
anybody
present
that's
wishing
to
speak
to
this
project?
Nobody
in
person
anybody
online.
B
K
B
K
My
internet
connection
is
a
little
stable,
so
I
might
click
out.
Thank
you
for
hearing
this
project.
I
just
want
to
bring
up
and
I
believe
that
the
last
woman
who
spoke
Sandy
was
also
part
of
a
a
team
who
came
on
site
who
I
got
an
email
from
Suzanne
y-e-h-le
from
the
North
End
Neighborhood
associations,
historic
team,
who
did
also
in
that
email,
talk
to
me
or
say
that
they
thought
that
going
to
one
and
a
half
story
would
be
incongruent
with
the
existing
structure.
K
With
the
Dormer
look
as
well
as
yeah,
they
did
mention
that
they
thought
that
they
were
wanting
to
know
if
I
wanted
to,
if
I
would
be
willing
to
downsize
it.
And
at
this
point
you
know,
my
existing
structure
is
2400
square
feet.
The
garage
itself
is
about
500
square
feet
and
it
is
falling
down
and
it
has
a
sagging
roof
line
in
its
Boeing
walls.
So
there's
the
really
no
trying
to
make
that
or
keep
that
historically
relevant,
because
it
really
is,
is
a
knock
over
at
this
point.
K
It
feels
it
seems
to
me
that
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
a
is
congruent
with
the
city's
desire
to
infill
and
create
more
density.
So
it
seems
like
it's
in
alignment
with
the
city's
overall
goals
and
honest
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
house,
either
by
in-laws
and
or
my
kids
potentially
if
they
want
to
stay
here,
they're,
both
now
18
and
20.,
I
work
for
the
city
and
I.
Don't
have
enough
money
to
go,
buy
another
house,
let
alone
in
the
North
End.
K
So
I'd
really
like
to
try
to
stay
within
the
city's
guidelines
of
a
thousand
feet
or
yeah
overall,
which
is
what
the
proposal
is
as
a
opposed
to
downsizing
it,
because,
with
the
cost
of
construction,
these
days
like
I,
could
probably
downsize
at
20.
But
that
wouldn't
save
me
20
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'd
like
to
have
this.
The
most
usable
structure
for
both
the
garage
aspect
and
Adu
aspect
moving
forward.
K
So
I
I,
don't
believe
that
yeah
I,
don't
I,
know
we're
in
the
historic
district,
but
we're
not
in
a
national
park
and
I.
Would
really
love
to
be
able
to
get
to
move
forward
with
this
project
and
hope
that
you
will
approve.
B
K
I
say
one
more
thing:
yes,
okay,
if
you
look
at
this,
if
you
look
at
the
staff
report
as
well,
I
did
include
letters
in
there
from
my
neighbors,
the
ones
across
the
alley,
Larry
and
Terry
that
have
the
house.
That
is
like
six
foot
above
grade
of
mine
and
it's
also
a
tall
two
story.
I've
got
through
the
other
neighbors
on
either
side
to
the
to
the
south
of
me
and
then
the
two
to
the
north
of
me,
all
of
which
are
in
agreement
that
they're
totally
okay
with
us
doing
this
project.
K
So
I've
done
some
due
diligence
and
talked
to
my
neighbors
and
my
neighbors
are:
are
two
thumbs
up?
Go
ahead,
do
it
we
want
to
see
you
be
able
to
get
this
done
so
I
have
been
trying
to
be
respectful
and
honorable
of
the
other
people
who
live
at
least
in
the
immediate
surrounding
of
me,
and
had
full
support
for
the
project,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in.
So
thank
you.
B
Great,
thank
you
and
I
do
see
those
letters
in
our
packet,
so
I
appreciate
that
you,
you
did
the
work
and
talk
to
your
neighbors.
B
So
now
we're
moving
to
the
portion,
that's
the
rebuttal
by
the
applicant,
so
Mr
Lutz
or
Miss
Kent.
Whoever
wants
to
take
on
the
that
five
minute
rebuttal
you're
welcome
to
speak
more
to
this
project.
X
B
H
And
chair
I'll
start
if
I
may
typically
any
time,
you
have
a
accessory
structure
that
is
taller
than
the
main
structure.
H
It's
A
Hard
no
in
the
guidelines,
and
that
is
why
staff
has
given
the
recommendation
that
they
have
given
the
unique
situation
of
this
site
and
the
fact
that
there's
no
opposition
from
the
neighborhood
association
or
any
of
the
surrounding
neighbors,
and
that
the
the
slope
of
the
the
site
would
essentially
not.
H
It
would
not
be
obvious
that
there
would
be
a
significant
height
difference.
I
I
would
actually
support
this
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
design
and
kind
of
the
right
recipe
all
around
for
my
support.
Thank.
E
G
And
I'm
sure
I
guess
yeah
as
the
new
guy
I
I
was
curious.
How
the
commission
would
view
a
change
in
topography
as
it
would
relate
to
primary
versus
secondary
structure.
G
G
The
design
it's
okay,
I
have
I,
have
architecturally,
maybe
some
issue
with
window
proportion
and
placement,
but
I
don't
know
that
it's
enough
to
like
be
in
strong
opposition
to
it.
Given
given
the
the
potential
that
you
know,
topography
helps
with
the
overall
massing
perception
of
that
secondary
structure,
foreign.
I
Yeah
I
agree
with
commissioner
parks.
There
is
something
I,
don't
like,
commissioner:
Montero
I,
don't
I'm,
not
in
love
with
the
design.
I
think
there
could
be
some
tweaks,
maybe
to
the
design,
but
it's
not
enough
I
think
to
deny
the
application
I
think
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
it.
I
hope.
That's
true,
but
I
wouldn't
deny
the
application.
B
H
Muncher
I
moved
to
approve
drh-23-00110.
H
H
Oh
that's
right
scratch.
My
motion,
I'll
start
over
I,
moved
to
approve
grh23-00110
based
on
the
Topography
of
the
site,
limiting
the
height
perception
period.
C
E
B
B
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
Just
just
for
reference.
We
will
bring
back
revised
findings
and
conditions
of
approval
on
that
last
one
for
your
adoption
next
month,
but
this
application
is
located
at
229,
North,
Flume
Street,
and
it
is
a
request
to
construct
a
new
detached
garage
with
accessory
dwelling
unit.
Above
for
reference,
the
site
is
located
on
the
west
side
of
Flume
Street
adjacent
to
the
Pioneer
Cemetery.
A
Currently,
the
site
contains
a
shop
which
is
not
historic
in
nature.
In
an
existing
covered
patio,
those
will
both
be
removed
and
the
applicant
would
propose
to
construct
a
new
garage
with
the
studio
above,
not
an
Adu
access
from
the
alley.
The
existing
residence
is
identified
as
no
style
in
the
survey
on
record
and
is
non-contributing
to
the
district,
so
the
applicant
has
proposed
a
contemporary
shed
roof
accessory
structure
with
the
studio
above.
A
It
is
approximately
two
feet:
five
inches
taller
than
the
primary
structure
and
has
been
designed
with
a
form
materials
window
patterning
and
a
garage
door
which
is
rather
contemporary
in
nature.
The
guidelines,
you
know,
certainly
discourage
accessory
structures,
as
we've
heard
tonight,
to
not
be
taller
than
the
primary
structure.
This
is
that
this
is
taller,
and,
additionally,
the
the
Contemporary
design
and
materials
are
generally
not
congruous
with
the
historic
district
and
the
surrounding
properties.
With
that,
we
have
a
recommended
denial
of
the
application.
B
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
questions
for
staff?
No,
all
right
hearing,
none
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant
just
need
your
name
and
address.
Please.
N
Good
evening,
thank
you
all
for
still
being
here.
My
name
is
Amy
algeier
I
live
at
1402,
North,
22nd,
Street
and
I'm
the
architect
for
this
project.
A
couple
Corrections
Josh
caught
that
it's
not
an
Adu
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
currently
a
studio
and
has
a
half
bath,
no
kitchen
no
shower,
and
secondly,
there's
a
typo
on
the
summary
page
of
the
staff
report.
It
says
the
studio
is
two
feet:
five
inches
taller
than
the
existing
home
and
it's
actually
only
one
foot,
eight
taller
than
the
home.
N
N
The
height
of
the
studio
and
the
style
of
the
roof,
so
I'd
like
to
address
the
style
of
the
roof
first,
so
the
original
home
has
an
intersecting
Gable
and
had
an
open
front
porch,
and
over
the
years
the
porch
was
enclosed
and
had
additions
were
made
to
the
side
in
the
rear
and
all
of
those
additions
were
covered
with
shed
roofs
in
this
diagram.
You
can
see
the
original
Gables
in
white
and
all
the
later
shed
roofs
in
Gray,
and
in
this
photo
we
can
see
which
is
taken
from
the
front
sidewalk.
N
You
can
see
the
front
edge
of
one
of
those
shed
roofs
protruding
beyond
beyond
the
original
Gable,
and
there's
also
a
side
shed
there
over
one
of
those
additions,
so
there's
shed
roofs
visible
already
on
the
existing
home.
It's
also
worth
noting
that
this
house
is
non-contributing.
The
owners
intend
to
update
the
house,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
what
they
do
to
it.
Based
on
that
non-contributing
status.
In
fact,
a
future
owner
could
remove
the
home
completely
and
build
something
totally
different
here.
N
The
style
of
the
house,
as
listed
in
the
staff
report,
is
no
style,
so
we're
asking
the
owners
to
better
match
a
new
studio
to
a
non-contributing
home.
That
literally
has
no
style.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
wise
move.
The
adjacent
homes
are
both
newer
construction,
the
home
to
the
north,
was
built
in
2014,
and
it's
a
traditional
style
Bungalow
though
clearly
more
modern
construction
and
the
home
to
the
South
was
constructed
in
2006.
N
The
slide
shows
a
cross-section
of
the
property,
and
we
have
a
six
foot
human
standing
out
there
in
the
street,
and
while
the
peak
of
the
shed
roof
is
clearly
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
house,
you
can
see
that
that's
not
visible
from
the
street
from
the
right-of-way
I'm,
not
completely
sure
when
shed
roofs
on
Accessory
structures
became
unaccessed,
unacceptable,
they're,
very
traditional
roof
forms.
I've
personally
had
two
accessory
structures
with
shed
roofs
approved,
both
of
them
on
properties
with
very
traditional
homes.
N
This
garage
Adu
was
approved
on
at
820
East
Jefferson
Street
in
2020.
You
can
see
the
home
that
it's
adjacent
to
on
the
right.
This
is
a
really
wide
lot,
so
that
garage,
Adu
sat
toward
the
back
of
the
lot,
but
but
adjacent
to
that
home,
completely
visible
from
the
right-of-way,
and
this
Adu
was
approved
at
1910
North,
8th
Street,
the
contributing
house
that
it
sits
behind
is
shown
there
on
the
right,
I'm
sure
there
are
many
other
examples.
N
Next
I'd
like
to
show
how
the
recommended
gable
roof
with
dormer's
solution,
doesn't
really
create
a
better
height
situation.
For
us.
Our
current
design
features
a
2
and
12
sloping
shed
roof
the
height
set
to
create
321
square
feet
of
habitable
space
in
the
studio,
and
this
keeps
the
overall
size
of
the
structure
below
a
thousand
square
feet.
So
we
don't
have
to
get
a
zoning
certificate
and
we
can
use
reduced
setbacks,
so
we
can
maintain
and
preserve
more
of
the
backyard
in
that
patio
area.
N
So
this
is
option
number
one.
It
shows
a
gable
roof
design.
It
matches
the
existing
height
of
the
house.
It
creates
260
square
feet
of
habitable
space.
In
that
studio
area.
You
can
see
that
space
outlined
in
light
blue
in
the
center,
so
260
square
feet
is
about
20
percent,
less
than
the
design
that
we
have
proposed
and
that
space
is
straight
down
the
center
of
the
structure.
So
this
effectively
doesn't
allow
us
to
put
Windows
on
those
side
walls.
N
N
So
this
is
option
two:
it
improves
on
option
one
by
raising
that
Dormer
to
a
seven
foot
head
height.
This
allows
for
habitable
space
that
extends
over
to
that
side
wall.
We
can
have
Windows
on
that
wall
and
now
that
wall
could
potentially
provide
egress
windows
from
an
Adu
that
could
go
in
there
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
it
is
only
four
and
a
half
inches
shorter
than
the
shed
roof
design
that
we
have
proposed.
Also,
the
Dormer
we're
showing
can
only
be
seven
feet
wide.
N
Seven
Feet's
not
wide
enough
to
create
a
functional
living
room.
It's
not
wide
enough
for
a
bedroom.
It's
just
kind
of
an
awkward
little
nugget
of
space.
So
well,
because
if
we
go
wider
than
seven
feet
on
that
Dormer,
then
we're
over
a
thousand
square
feet.
So
we
lose
our
reduced
setbacks
and
we
eat
up
that
back
patio
area.
You
can
see
how
much
that
structure
would
move
into
the
site
if
we
go
over
a
thousand
square
feet.
N
It's
also
worth
mentioning
that
this
roof
slope
is
very
flat
and
it
doesn't
match
the
style
of
the
Steep
gables
on
the
existing
home.
So
far,
all
of
these
options
are
considered
full
two-story
because
they're
over
18
foot
to
the
midline
option,
three
shows
more
traditional
Gable
style.
It
has
a
steeper
slope,
it's
9
and
12..
N
This
better
matches
the
style
of
the
existing
house
and
it
is
considered
a
story
and
a
half,
but
as
you
can
see,
the
peak
is
higher
than
all
the
other
designs.
This
design
is
an
eight
is
I'm,
sorry,
eight
inches
taller
than
the
shed
design.
That
makes
it
two
feet
four
inches
taller
than
the
house,
and
we
do
have
similar
issues,
keeping
the
square
footage
under
a
thousand
square
feet.
N
So,
if
we're
trying
to
keep
the
potential
for
the
future
Adu
on
the
table,
which
the
owners
very
much
want
to
do
and
which
our
current
zoning
code
seems
to
encourage
the
only
Gable
design
that
actually
decreases
our
height
is
option
two,
so
we
save
four
inches
in
height,
but
the
space
it's
created
with
the
narrow,
Dormer,
isn't
super
functional
and
we're
doing
this
also
that
we
don't
have
a
shed
roof.
That's
adjacent
to
a
home
that
does
have
shed
roofs
on
it.
N
The
concern
was
also
expressed
about
the
massing
and
the
visual
impact
of
the
shed
roof
design.
So
I've
done
a
diagram
of
the
street
facing
facades
of
all
four
options.
I
apologize
they're
a
little
light,
but
you
can
see
that
they're
all
actually
super
close
in
area.
There's
only
12
square
feet
of
difference
in
the
square
footage
of
the
street
facing
facades
option.
Two
has
the
largest
massing
of
all
our
original
shed
design
is
slightly
under
that
option.
One
which
matched
the
height
of
the
existing
house
is,
of
course,
the
lowest,
so
I
feel
like.
N
N
This
house
is
non-contributing,
it
has
aluminum
siding
and
it
has
painted
brick.
A
future
owner
could
remove
the
house
entirely
and
given
the
heights
of
the
existing
homes
on
either
side,
they
could
build
something
much
larger
than
the
proposed
studio.
So
the
recommendation
for
denial
based
on
the
shed
roof
and
the
Studio's
height
does
not
seem
reasonable
for
this
particular
project
and
we've
spoken
with
the
East
End
neighborhood
association,
and
they
indicated
they
had
no
concerns
about
the
style
or
the
height.
N
Y
Thanks
for
having
me
I
guess.
In
short,
my
wife
and
I
are
Idaho
native
she's,
a
Boise
native
I've
lived
in
this
house
for
20
years,
and
we
want
this
home
to
be
our
forever
home
and
retire
in
it.
What
we
are
suffering
from
is
work
from
home
constraints.
With
our
office
we
gave
up
both
our
spare
bedrooms.
Our
home
is
fairly
small.
Y
It's
about
15
174
square
feet,
not
a
lot
of
room,
so
the
options
we
weighed
were
build
when
our
neighbors
built
and
scrape
it,
because
we've
seen
that
that
can
be
done
or
try
and
preserve
our
house.
Y
That
was
built
in
1900
by
developing
a
little
more
space
for
ourselves,
we're
trying
to
design
a
house
that
can
be
built
in
a
way
that
is
congruent
with
the
environment,
so
the
south
facing
shed
roof
would
support
solar
panels
which
we'd
like
to
build
into
our
project,
and
it
also
gained
our
neighbors
approval
for
not
blocking
their
solar
heating
in
their
living
room
or
their
new
house.
We've
talked
to
all
the
neighbors.
They
have
all
approved.
This
they
said
they
would
really
like
this
project
to
go
forward.
Y
We
don't
have
any
anyone
saying
no
so
far,
and
really
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
preserve
our
1900
built
house
and
have
a
garage
with
some
space,
because
right
now
we're
running
out
of
it
and
I
think
that,
in
relation
to
a
lot
of
the
you
know,
I
think
this
is
the
part
where
I
have
an
architect,
but
some
of
the
materials
built
we're
not
sold
on
any
final
materials.
Y
What
we
would
like
is
to
build
the
shed
roof
Garage
in
a
way
that
we
can
then
match
the
house
to
that
fits
with
the
preservation
societies
wants
and
with
the
historic
district,
and
that
those
projects
should
be
happening
in
two
to
three
years,
we'll
see
how
building
goes
and
when
we
can
get
a
garage
built.
So
that's
all
I
got
thanks
for
having
me
thank.
B
You
does
anybody,
have
questions
for
the
architect
or
the
homeowner
yeah.
B
T
Okay
hi,
my
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
good
evening,
commissioner
The
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Sheila
Grisham
I
live
at
1204,
East
State
Street,
Boise
83712,
the
Ina
historic
district
committee
usually
agrees
with
the
city
staff's
findings,
especially
when
it's
a
denial.
T
T
The
new
structure
just
didn't
seem
like
it
was
that
big
of
a
deal
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
not
wanting
to
scrape
your
house,
because
that
is
that's
our
biggest
concern,
especially
with
non-contributing
homes.
T
If
we
can
keep
this
house
and
give
them
a
little
leniency
with
with
their
garage
and
their
Studio
space,
we
would
prefer
to
see
that.
So.
Thank
you
great.
B
Thank
you,
Sheila
all
right.
You
have
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
there's
anything,
you
want
to
add
no
all
right,
then,
with
that
oh
I'm,
sorry,
we're
not
to
the
rebel.
Yet
is
there
anybody
here
who
would
like
to
testify?
I,
don't
have
anybody
on
my
sheet?
Nobody
in
the
room,
anybody
online
nope,
all
right,
so
still
good,
no
rebuttal,
perfect!
Okay!
So
with
that
then
we'll
close
the
hearing
and
we'll
render
a
decision
so
I'm
looking
for
discussion
or
motion.
I
Madam,
chair
I,
don't
have
any
issues
with
this
project.
We
got
two
non-contributing
homes
on
either
side.
We
have
non-contributing
house
I'm
glad
you
want
to
keep
your
existing
house.
That's
great
I,
actually
like
the
little
like
mid-century
alteration
at
the
front
of
it.
Richard
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
I
know
you
denied
it.
That's
good
following
the
guidelines,
but
I
think
we
have
an
exception
here.
So
anybody
has
any
options.
I
can
make
a
motion.