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A
We
have
the
funding,
so
so
that's
kind
of.
In
short,
we,
though
we
are
still
a
clg
and
one
thing
when
we
stopped
using
the
grant
I
reached
out
to
pete
at
shippo
who
helps
the
he's,
the
planner
historic
preservation
planner
for
the
state,
because
I
wanted
to
make
sure
by
not
using
that
grant
that
we
weren't
hurting
something
right,
that
we
weren't
hurting
the
amount
of
money
that
idaho
gets,
that
we
weren't
hurting
our
status
as
a
clg
partner
overall,
and
he
said
that
you
know.
A
None
of
those
were
the
case
that
we
that
the
same
amount
of
money
would
come
in
and
actually
the
amount
of
money
we
would
get
would
get
distributed
to
other
communities
in
the
state.
So
that's
kind
of
the
short
of
it.
So,
instead
of
using
this
grant
we're
tasked
with
using
local
funds
instead.
B
C
So
with
that
change
then
can
that
20
000
that's
sitting
there
can.
Is
that
something
you
appropriate
to
projects,
or
is
that
something
that
the
commission
decides
of
a
project
and
we
spend
that
money
that
way.
A
Yeah
the
process
is
the
same.
You
know
projects.
We
want
the
commission
to
be
involved
with
what
projects
we're
doing
so.
A
The
the
main
project
I
was
I
planned
on
doing-
was
a
historic
preservation
plan
for
the
state
for
the
city,
a
citywide,
historic
preservation
plan,
the
one
we
have
is
sorely
outdated,
and
so
I
had
met
with
a
consultant
to
to
do
that
and
a
city-wide
survey
plan
was
also
part
of
that
as
well,
and
we
we're
kind
of
moving
forward
with
that
with
that
process
and
planning
to
to
consult
with
this
contractor
and
and
put
that
plan
in
place.
A
But
when
coveted
hit
the
budget
was
pulled
back,
we
still
technically
have
the
money,
it's
just
that
the
priorities
have
have
changed,
and
so
we
kind
of
put
a
pause
on
projects
for
a
little
while
until
we're
kind
of
given
the
go
ahead
to
move
forward
with
that
which
hopefully
will
occur
in
the
new
year.
A
A
A
We
are,
I
will
say
that
we
are.
We
did
have
a
meeting
with
shippo
representatives,
paula
benson,
with
preservation,
idaho
kerry
davis
and
some
others
to
talk
about
a
gis
project
that
we
would
like
to
do
in
the
interim.
It's
not
really
going
to
cost
us
anything,
it's
more
of
just
a
swapping
of
data
and
some
work
by
our
gis
person
in
our
department.
A
So
it
essentially
is
going
to
create
a
gis
map
of
the
city,
pinpointing
properties
that
have
been
surveyed,
properties
that
are
eligible
or
on
the
national
register,
and
it'll
help
the
city
kind
of
plan
and
identify
where
the
gaps
are
in
the
city.
As
far
as
what
has
been
surveyed
and
what
properties
you
know,
what
properties
older
properties
are
maybe
eligible
for
the
national
register,
so
it'll
help
us
kind
of
target.
A
You
know
properties
or
buildings
for
future
national
register
nominations,
which
is
what
we
do
sometimes.
So
that's
something
we're
actually
moving
forward
with
because
it
doesn't
really
cost
anything.
It's
just
going
to
be
time
with
our
gis
person
working
with
the
shippo
gis
person,
exchanging
data
and
information
on
that.
A
So
but
again,
hopefully,
hopefully
things
change
in
the
new
year
and
we
can
move
forward
with
our
preservation
plan
and
implementing
the
citywide
survey
plan
as
well.
A
Various
historic
preservation,
type
of
projects
and
usually
our
budget
was
ten
to
twelve
thousand
dollars
on
those
and
then
after
a
while
that
we
just
started
getting
questions
because
our
grants,
no
matter
where
they
come
from,
have
to
go
through
a
city
review
process.
So
when,
when
I
apply
for
a
clg
grant
or
plan
to
apply
for
a
clg
grant,
it
has
to
be
approved
through
a
committee,
a
grant
review
committee
at
the
city,
so
they
have
to
review
it
and
they
ask
questions
what's
this,
for.
Why
are
you
doing
this
who's?
A
A
So
as
long
as
you
know-
and
I
it
was
one
of
those
things
where
you
want
to
continue
to
work
in
that
partnership
with
the
clg
gov,
with
the
clg
partners
and
with
the
state.
But
I
thought
it
was
good
that
the
that
the
mayor
is
willing
to
provide
that
budget,
that
that
money
and
more
than
we
would
normally
get
into
our
into
our
historic
preservation
budget.
So
we
can
actually
do
larger
projects
as
well
so
and
we
don't
need
to
find
match
for
these
projects
either.
So.
A
A
A
A
couple
years
ago
we
started
those
the
adult
bay
heights,
which
I
think
I
brought
up
with
the
commission
a
few
times
that
was
surveyed
and
then
another
section
of
the
east
end.
A
mid-century
neighborhood
in
the
east
end
was
surveyed
so
but
yeah
typically,
you
know
we'll
we'll
have
people
come
to
us
we'll.
We
have
people
come
to
us
that
want
their
building
nominated
for
the
national
register.
They
want
to
know
if
the
city
will
support
that
and
a
lot
of
times
we
do.
A
But
you
know,
ideally,
the
commission
is
involved
with
projects.
So
when
we
get
ramped
back
up-
and
I
know
we
can
start
doing
projects
again,
really
the
one
we're
going
to
focus
on
is
the
citywide
preservation
plan.
That's
going
to
be
a
priority,
but
from
then
on
out
we
will
have
a
work
session
annually
again,
where
we
talk
about
potential
projects.
A
C
So
I
should
just
add
a
historic
preservation
plan.
It
looks
at
where
the
city's
been
where
it's
at
and
where
it
should
be
going
so
theoretically,
a
good
historic
preservation
plan
will
also
have
like
an
outline
of
priorities.
The
city
should
be
taking
into
consideration
so
that
might
be
surveys
of
certain
areas.
It
might
be
national,
registered
nominations
to
take
care
or
take
advantage
of
tax
credits.
There's
different
things
like
that.
That
should
be
included
in
the.
C
A
Yeah
and
and
once
once
we
get
to
kick
that
off
if
it's
carrie
that
we
consult
with,
we
will
have
her
come
and
speak
with
the
commission
about
that
that
process
and
what
that,
what
will
be
in
that
we'll
have
a
work
session
to
kind
of
open
that
up
and
and
discuss
what's
in
the
plan
and
there'll
be
updates
throughout
that.
A
Agenda
so
items
one
through
four
on
the
agenda
are
findings
of
fact,
so
those
are
brought
back
to
the
commission
for
to
be
ratified.
So
basically,
those
are
the
items
last
month
that
were
denied
by
the
commission.
So
hopefully
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
those,
and
if
those
look
okay
to
you,
then
then
those
can
be
voted
on
and
ratified
and
those
would
just
be
on
the
consent
agenda.
F
Hey
ted,
this
is
aaron
hi.
This
is
erica.
I
I
keep
going
in
and
out
a
little
bit,
so
I
know
I
can
hear
you
starting,
but
I
just
want
to
say
if
someone
in
the
building
in
the
office
could
do
like
the
meeting
tonight.
Only
because
I
can
hear
part
of
you,
but
then
I
think
my
inner,
like
my
laptop,
is
going
in
and
out
so
I
just
want
to.
I
thought
if
we
could
ask
that
before
we
get
started,
because
I
know
we're
talking
about
the
agenda
right
now,.
A
Right
right
sure,
does
anybody
else
who
has
a
better
connection
or
somebody
that's
here
want
to
chair
the
meeting.
I'm.
G
B
F
I
E
A
So
items
one
through
four
proposed
for
consent.
Again,
those
are
the
just
the
findings
of
fact
those
aren't
public
hearing
items.
That's
just
ratifying
the
commission
ratifying
what
the
decision
was
last
month
on
those
items.
A
A
A
J
Yeah,
just
a
super
quick
question
on
that
one
I
I
mean
I
think
that's
fine.
I
noticed
that
that
the
staff
notes
that
project
is
a
two-story,
but
the
letter
notes
it
is
a
one
and
a
half
story
is
that
just
a.
E
A
We
went
back
and
forth
with
the
the
contractor
on
that.
You
know
by
strictly
by
our
code.
It's
a
two
story.
You
know
it
appears
as
a
one
and
a
half
or
partial
two
story
from
the
front,
but
it
does
evolve
kind
of
into
a
two
story.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
our
code
technically,
we
have
to
call
it
a
two-story,
even
though
it
may
not
appear
that
way.
A
So
that's
how
I
do
it
in
our
legals,
because
if
somebody
was
to
challenge
us
on
that,
you
know
that
we're
not
we're
calling
something.
You
know
something
else
that
doesn't
isn't
consistent
with
our
code,
so
yeah.
E
A
Technically,
a
two-story
though
it
does
come
across
more
as
a
partial
or
a
one
and
a
half
and
I'll
say
the
applicant
did
make
some
modifications.
The
original
design,
you
know
I
said,
would
be
problematic
and
they
they
were
really
good
about
redesigning
the
project.
So
they'd
be
a
little
more
compatible
with
the
neighborhood.
A
Item
number
number:
six
is
a
one
story:
adu.
D
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
think,
keep
going
I'll
just
I'll
just
okay,
I
mean
unless
anyone
if
anyone
else
wants
to
speak
up,
that's
great
but
I'll.
Just
take
your
recommendations
for
now
and
at
the
end,
we'll
we'll
we'll
figure
out
which
ones
we
want
to
keep
on
consent.
A
Good
item
seven
also
proposed
for
consent,
that
is
a
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
garage
located
at
13
12
26th
street,
and
that
one
is
drh2419.
A
One
I
think
in
the
report
it
was
proposed
to
be
nine
inches
taller
than
the
peak
height
of
the
house,
so
we
had
a
condition
of
approval
in
the
report
that
it
not
exceed
the
peak
height
of
the
house.
A
J
A
I'll
send
them
the
packets-
and
you
know,
say
if
you
have
any
questions
or
comments.
A
Let
me
know
so
yeah
that
one,
I
kind
of
think
it
might
have
been
a
mistake
because
they,
when
they
turned
it
in
they,
I
thought
that
they
had
told
me
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
taller
than
the
house,
but
when
I
was
looking
at
the
plans
it
looked
like
it,
it
was
so
I
just
have
that
condition
in
there,
so
when
it
does
come
in
for
if
it
gets
approved
once
it
comes
in
for
building
permit,
we'll
check
it
to
make
sure
it's
no
taller
than
the
peak
height
of
the
house.
A
Item
number
eight
we're
also
proposing
that
for
consent
that
one's
a
little
bit
different
that
one
the
garage
is
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
house,
but
it's
due
to
a
grade
change
on
the
property.
So
technically
the
garage
is
not
taller
than
the
house,
but
because
of
the
grade
change
on
the
property
it
comes
out,
as
I
think
about
two
feet
taller
than
the
house.
I
believe
I
remember
right,
but
it
is
a
bit
taller
than
the
house.
A
But
again,
it's
due
to
a
great
change
on
the
property
and
the
commission
approved
something
similar
about
a
year
ago.
So
I
kind
of
let
that
one
lie.
They
did
provide
some
drawings
in
there
showing
the
height
of
the
house
compared
showing
the
grade
change
and
the
height
of
the
house
compared
to
the
garage.
A
So
I
kind
of
left
that
one
and
and
leave
that
one
up
to
the
you.
B
A
Item
number
nine
is
a
request
to
remove
the
property
from
the
historic
district
boundary
drh243
and
that
one
we
will
go
ahead
and
hear.
I
have
not
heard
from
any
neighbors
or
anything
like
that,
and
there's
been
no
testimony
or
anything
comments
to
me
on
it,
but
I
thought
it
would
just
be.
We
should
hear
it
because
we're
removing
a
property
from
the
historic
district,
so
I
thought
it'd
be
a
good
one
to
go
ahead
and
just
go
through.
A
Item
number
10,
another
adu,
another
two-story
adu,
drh20
440..
I
do
have
this
one
as
well
on
the
consent
agenda.
This
one,
I
believe,
went
a
little
above
lot
coverage,
so
I
have
a
condition
of
approval
on
it
that
did
not
exceed
35
percent
lock
coverage.
A
B
A
And
then
item
number
12
is
a
new
house
on
a
lot.
This
is
drh20
446
and
it's
a
new
construction
house
on
a
lot,
a
substandard
corner.
Lot.
A
J
And
I
had
it
is
that
the
one
where
they're
splitting
the
lot
and
building
a
house
next
to
it
or
is
that
the
next
one.
A
The
lot's
actually
not
being
split.
The
lot
has
those
underlying
original
lots,
so
there's
about
three
or
four
lots
actually
on
that
property,
which
is
throughout
the
city
in
the
older
neighborhoods
of
the
city
in
or
out
of
the
historic
districts.
A
lot
of
these
lots
you'll
see
they'll,
show
up
on
the
maps
as
one
lot
but
they're
these
underlying
lots
of
record
that
when
the
city
was
first
planted,
you
know
100
years
ago
or
whatever
it.
Those
lots
were
were
platted
out.
The
city
still
recognizes
those.
A
And
so
then
the
lot
line
appears
on
the
map
and
then
they
come
to
the
city
and
they
say
I
need
to
move
this
lot
line
to
to
make
room
for
a
house,
and
so
then
they
need
to
go
through
a
record
of
survey
process
with
the
city.
So
they
first
need
to
come
through
us
in
the
historic
district
and
say
hey.
I
want
to
bring
this
lot
line
up.
I
want
to
adjust
it,
and
I
want
to
build
this
house
so
they're
coming
here
for
that
approval.
A
J
Okay-
and
I
noticed-
and
so
this
is
when
they're
facing
dora
street-
is
that
yeah.
This
is
the
one
and
they
I
mean.
Obviously
we
have
nothing
to
say
on
what
street
they
face,
but
is
that
unusual
because
it
seemed
like
most
of
the
houses
along,
I
think
it's
18th
or
28th,
whatever
the
number
street
is
that's
next
to
them
it
that
most
houses
face
that
street,
but
they'll
they
won't
be.
It
is
that
typical?
J
A
Think
it
was
because
there
was
more
room
north
to
south
to
for
the
to
fit
the
house
in
that
kind
of
elongated
way
in
the
garage
as
well.
So
I
think
it
just
kind
of
made
a
more
natural
fit
for
the
for
the
house.
A
Yeah
right
so
we've
had
a
few
of
these,
where
there's
there's
no
alley
access,
so
they
do
need
to
take
access
from
the
street.
B
A
Correct
yeah
there's
a
few
of
those
around
that
area.
D
You
mentioned
one
last
question
you
mentioned
and
that
you
were
gonna
condition
in.
There
are
conditions
in
there
for
the
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter,
but
I
didn't
see
them.
Did
I
miss
them?
The
conditions
of
approval.
A
B
A
I'm
trying
to
remember
if
they
were
going
to
ask
for
a
waiver
for
the,
I
think
they
were
going
to
ask
for
a
waiver
yeah
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
That
might
have
been
why
I
left
it
out
of
the
conditions,
so
that,
because
they'll
have
to
request
that
waiver,
through
the
record
of
survey
process
too,
to
not
have
to
install
it,
and
I
think
their
justification
is
that
there
aren't
any
sidewalks
in
the
area.
So
the
connect
the
commission
can
add
that
in
require
detached
sidewalk,
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
Though
okay.
I
A
A
A
A
You
know
normally
the
house
would
be
oriented
north
south,
but
it's
oriented
toward
locust,
so
that
gives
it
that
constrains
the
you
know:
construction
on
the
property
that
would
be
in
compliance
with
setbacks.
A
E
A
That'll
be
when
the
meeting
starts
at
six
okay,
so
it
looks
like
all
items.
One
through
four
is
on
consent.
Five
is
on
consent,
six,
seven
and
eight
on
consent,
and
then
nine
will
be
heard.
D
F
And
this
is
erica,
do
we
need
to
have
like
so
at
the
beginning
I
mean
just
thinking
about
like
logistics.
Did
we
say,
cindy's
term
was
up.
Is
that
what
was
the
gun?
I
wasn't
able
to
hear
devin
what
she
was
saying
so
with
regards
to
like
just
ongoing
meetings
like
do
we
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
that,
because
I
think
cindy
was
chair
and
vice
chair
was.
L
D
L
A
A
Unfortunately,
there
was
just
a
communication
glitch
where
we
didn't
know:
yeah
firm
was
up,
and
so
we'll
get
that
taken
care
of.
H
D
D
Okay,
today
is
the
26th
of
october
2020,
and
this
is
a
scheduled
time
of
place
for
the
historic
preservation
commission
meeting.
I
am
chairperson
koski
and
I
now
call
the
meeting
to
order
ted.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
H
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Have
all
the
commission
members
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes
from
december
to
the
september
28th
meeting.
Anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
or
changes
to
the
minutes.
D
Nope,
okay
hearing
none.
I
will
now
take
a
motion
on
the
minutes.
H
I
L
I
D
H
L
H
D
Thanks
everyone
for
being
patient
with
me,
I
haven't
run
one
of
these
meetings
before
so.
I
appreciate
that
next
up
we
will
talk
about
the
consent
agenda
and,
first
up
I
will.
I
will
bring
up
to
the
commission
the
discussions
and
ratification
for
findings.
These
are
items
one
two
three
and
four
on
the
agenda
and
are
up
for
the
consent
agenda.
D
Okay,
I'd
like
to
see,
if
there's
a
motion
to
put
items,
one
two:
three
and
four
discussion:
ratifications
or
findings
on
the
consent
agenda.
D
Do
we
have
a
motion
and
do.
D
D
Thank
you.
We
have
a
number
of
other
items
up
for
the
consent
agenda.
I'll
go
over
them
one
by
one.
First
is
drh20036
doug
mcfadden
on
622,
east
jefferson,
street.
D
I
D
Is
there
anyone
willing
president
tonight
wishing
to
testify
against
this
there's.
B
D
On
the
floor,
or
is
there
and
there's
none
online
okay,
seeing
none
based
on
the
represent
representation
of
the
applicant
and
the
lack
of
opposition
drh2000362
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
H
D
Okay
is
there
anyone
present
tonight
wishing
to
testify
against
this
matter.
D
So
you
do
agree,
you
do
agree.
The
conditions
of
approval
that
it's
lower.
Okay
is
staff.
Was
there
any
written
opposition
to
this.
D
We
do
have
one
person
willing
to
testify.
Okay.
That
being
the
case,
we
will
hear
this
item
and
not
put
it
on
consent.
D
We'll
we'll
call
you
up
when
that
item
comes
up.
Thank
you.
We're
just
putting
items
on
the
consent
agenda
to
help
us
move
along
tonight.
So
thank.
D
I
D
F
D
Thank
you
for
those
that
are
online
for
or
in
on
the
floor
and
your
your
item
has
been
approved
on
a
consent,
agenda
you're
free
to
go
otherwise.
You're
welcome
to
stay
and
listen.
D
I
D
Okay,
we'll
move
to
the
remaining
items
on
the
agenda.
First
item
to
be
heard
is
drh20-00419
chad,
vincent
at
1312,
north
26th
street
staff?
Can
we
please
have
the
report.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Members
of
the
commission.
The
item
is
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
a
garage
and
construct
a
two-story
garage.
The
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
the
expanded
north
end
historic
district.
A
A
This
has
been
addressed,
staff
had
in
looking
at
the
application
thought
that
the
garage
adu
was
proposed
to
be
taller,
but
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case,
so
it
appears
the
condition.
A
D
Thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present
if
you'd
like
to
come
on
up.
Please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
20
minutes.
O
My
name
is
kevin
vincent.
We
need
the
address
for
this.
O
Four
two:
two:
zero
osage
street.
It's
our
address
and
from
what
we've
heard
here,
it
sounds
like
we're.
Gonna,
follow
everything
that
you
guys
proposed,
which
is
following
the
historic
guidelines
we've
found
is
that
the
house
is
20.
Let's
see,
I
got
the
notes
here.
O
Is
21
feet,
9
and
15
16,
so
almost
21
feet
10
and
the
80
will
be
21
feet,
9
and
3
16.
So
we're
about
an
inch
underneath
the
actual
house
and
that's
all
my
findings
that
I
have.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
are
the
knee.
I
guess
commissioners,
are
there
any
questions
for
staff
or
the.
D
P
Oh
1110,
west
eastman
street
boise,
idaho
83702
here
on
behalf
of
the
north
end
neighborhood
association.
No,
the
neighborhood
association
wants
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
the
project
meeting
the
peak
heights
such
that
they
match
or
are
close
to
as
staff
recommended
and
as
I
believe
you
guys
approved.
D
G
D
H
Q
My
name
is
jordan
rayna.
I
live
at
1305
north
25th
street,
I'm
located
directly
behind
the
property
where
the
unit
will
be
built
and
anything
else
on
that
aspect.
Q
Great
well,
my
neighbor
who
lives
right
next
to
us
as
well.
She
asked
me
to
read
an
email
if
that's
all,
right
and
I'll,
just
I'll
be
very
succinct.
Q
So
this
is
from
michelle
and
dan
knifer
that
live
next
door.
They
said
our
concern
on
the
building
plans.
Well,
first
off
they
mentioned
they're,
not
opposed
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
That's
a
good
thing
to
have.
It
says
our
concern
is
that
the
building
plans
that
the
upstairs
windows
and
stairwell
platform
have
direct
and
complete
viewing
access
into
our
backyard.
Q
We
request
the
plans
be
reconsidered
so
that
the
windows
facing
the
alley
are
placed
high
enough
to
prevent
direct
view.
We
enjoy
our
small
outdoor
space
and
we
have
two
young
daughters
enjoy
playing
outside
as
well
and
they
and
we
have
created
an
outdoor
space
that
provides
the
seclusion
and
privacy
that
we
prefer
in
our
property.
Q
And
it's
really
nice
to
see.
You
know
you
folks
up
here,
helping
out
and
making
sure
boise
stays
in
a
wonderful
air.
Wonderful
way.
One
of
our
main
concerns
is
that
the
unit
would
be
a
two-story
unit
that
would
butt
up
directly
to
the
alleyway
and
it
would
look
directly
into
our
backyard
as
well
covid.
Q
It's
been
nuts
and
it's
the
hot
word
these
days,
but
even
more
so
now
than
ever
during
covid
the
backyard's
really
been
our
haven.
It's
been
a
place
to
where
we've
had
friends
over
good,
fellowship
good
conversation
and
we're
excited
to
announce
for
our
personal
family
that
we're
expecting
our
first
little
boy
this
coming
december
and
with
all
sorts
of
good
news.
There
always
comes
expectations
and
one
of
ours
was
that
we
wanted
to
create
a
space
in
the
backyard
that
was
private
within
reason
and
just
a
safe
place
for
our
little
boy
to
crawl.
Q
Q
However,
the
windows,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
garage
side
doors
are
it's
on
actually
a
different
image,
but
the
windows
are
going
to
be
looking
right
into
our
backyard,
and
what
we
would
propose
is
that
they
would
consider
changing
the
windows
to
where
either
they're
set
higher
up
to
where
we
can
still
maintain
our
privacy
or
that
they
consider,
possibly,
if
possible,
internally.
Turning
the
floor
plan
around
to
where
the
primary
looking
spaces
into
their
own
backyard
versus
our
us
and
our
neighbors.
So
that's
kind
of
what
our
hope
is
for
this
effort.
D
Are
there
any
last
questions
for
staff
or
the
applicant
from
the
commissioners?
F
Oh
commissioner,
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you.
I
just
had
a
question.
If,
if
you
may
ask
the
the
individual
who
just
spoke,
has
he
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
the
owner
of
the
home
about
their
concerns
on
the
windows.
Q
Howdy,
we
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it
with
them,
yet
we've
actually
been
traveling
as
of
late
heading
down
to
texas,
to
visit
some
family,
and
so
it
was
our
neighbor
next
door
who
brought
it
up
to
us
dan
and
michelle,
who
I
read
that
letter
from
and
from
their
conversations
with
our
neighbors,
they
meant
the
neighbors
were
mentioning
that
the
windows
were
set
in
such
a
fashion,
that
it
would
still
preserve
our
privacy.
Q
But
when
we
look
at
the
blueprints
from
the
website,
we
see
that
there
is
a
kitchen
window
and
also
a
bathroom
window
that
looks
directly
down
into
the
yard,
but
on
the
opposite
side,
which
looks
into
the
backyard,
there
are
actually
more
privacy-based
windows.
It
appears
facing
that
direction,
so
we
were
hoping
to
preserve
the
same
type
of
privacy.
They
have
for
their
backyard,
as
we
would
like
to
for
ours.
Q
D
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Any
other
commissioners
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
or
for
staff.
D
O
Again,
kevin
4220
osage
street
boyce
idaho.
So
my
question
is
on
your
windows,
I'm
not
sure
which
windows
you're
talking
about
on
the
on
the
property.
It's.
Q
O
Q
O
Okay,
so
you're
across
the
alleyway,
I
think
for
for
us.
It's
really.
You
know
for
the
with
adus
and
boise,
I
mean
we're.
Gonna
have
windows
up
top
on
this.
You
know,
regardless
of
where
they're
at
and
they
kind
of
do
look
into
those
areas.
We
have
actually
talked
with
the
homeowner.
O
For
me,
I
think
the
bathroom
window
would
be
acceptable
to
kind
of
bring
that
up.
But
for
me
it's
it's
quite
a
ways
away
from
the
actual
side
of
that
building
of
their
property.
So
you
know
we'd
like
to
work
with
the
historic
society
as
much
as
we
can
for
that.
O
You
know
it
kind
of
depends
on
what
you
guys
would
want
to
do
for
a
smaller
type
window
like
that,
the
floor
plan
is
kind
of
determined
by
where
that
door
is
and
where
you
enter
it's
kind
of
hard
to
move
these
small
spaces
around
depending
on
where
that
door
is,
and
so
we're
open
to
trying
to
make
it
more
private
for
everybody
else
we
want
to
do.
You
know
what
makes
sense
and
boise
we're
really
about
making
this
the
best
we
can.
O
So
it
kind
of
depends
on
what
they
would
really
want
to
see
from
those
windows.
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
away
with
getting
no
windows
on
that
side
of
the
room,
but
that's
just
my
opinion,
so,
but
it
depends
on
kind
of
what
they
would
would
want.
We
could
look
through
that
and
kind
of
see
what
that
would
work.
O
I
think
we
might
be
able
to
bring
the
bathroom
window
up,
but
the
kitchen
windows
kind
of
kitchen
window,
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
willing
to
kind
of
talk
with
them
and
try
to
figure
some
things
out.
That's
for
sure.
So
it's
it's
a!
What
we
would
want
is
everyone
to
be
happy
around
us,
that's
kind
of
what
we're
about.
So
that's.
D
D
Okay
with
that
I'll
close
the
public
portion
of
of
this
hearing
and
consider
a
motion
from
the
commission
to
get
get
things
started.
F
Commissioner
koski,
I
will
move
to
approve
drh00419
with
the
conditions
of
approval
or
with
the
conditions
of
approval
that
staff
had
identified
at
the
beginning
of
our
presentation.
Second,.
D
Okay,
we
have,
we
have
a
motion
to
from
commissioner
rupp.
Do
we
have
a
second.
H
D
Okay,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
second
by
commissioner
moroney.
What
kind
of
discussion
do
we
have?
Is
there
any
discussion.
F
This
is
erica,
commissioner,
rob
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
the
homeowner
as
well
as
the
neighbors
and
who
came
up
to
speak.
I
think
it's.
I
know
we
say
this
a
lot
when
we
have
our
meetings,
but
for
those
that
are
native
idahoans
or
those
that
have
not
been
native
but
have
moved
here
and
have
found
value
in
our
community.
I
just
always
appreciate
how
kind
everyone
is
and
just
they're
willing
to
like
be
unbeatable
and
flexible,
and
so
I
I
just
appreciate
that.
F
I
know
that
not
every
time
can
you
find
agreement
with
every
single
neighbor,
but
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
have
open
dialogue
and
communication,
and
from
that
perspective
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
them.
We
try
not
to
get
in
those
sorts
of
conversations,
but
with
regards
to
the
plans
that
you
have
forward,
I
am
in
agreement
with
based
on
the
conditions
of
approval,
so
thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner,
up
any
other
discussion.
N
Mr
chair,
sorry,
I'm
used
to
saying
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
say,
given
the
rules
and
guidelines
that
we
have
that
we
follow,
I
don't
really
see
any
reason
that
we
could
deny
this.
I
think
it's
fantastic,
that
they
are
willing
to
work
with
the
neighbors
and
kind
of
hear
their
side
of
the
story.
I
D
I'll
just
have
a
comment
to
since
the
applicant
and
and
the
neighbors
in
front
of
me
here
that
I
think
it's
great.
I
would
that
you
guys
are
great
the
applicant's
willing
to
listen
and
great
that
you've
got
some
input
and
I
would
encourage
you
since
you've
been
traveling.
D
I
would
encourage
you
now
to
to
have
that
conversation
with
the
applicant,
and
I
feel
that
I
feel
like
level
heads
will
will
prevail
on
this
one
and
you'll
be
able
to
come
to
some
conclusion.
I
think
you're
really
really
close,
and
I
think
the
commission
feels
that
way
too.
So,
thank
you.
D
Said,
let's
see
drh
20-00433
with.
I
D
Algaire
on
1910
north
8th
street
staff,
can
we
please
have
the
report.
A
E
A
A
So,
as
mentioned
previously,
the
height
of
the
garage
will
be
I'm
sorry,
not
28,
to
34
feet
taller
but
28
to
34
inches
taller
type
on
the
slide.
There,
then,
the
peak
height
of
the
house,
due
to
a
grade
change
on
the
property.
A
As
indicated
before,
the
commission
has,
in
the
past,
made
some
exceptions
to
height
these
kind
of
height
differences
due
to
grade
changes
on
property.
I
believe
one
last
year
on
15th
street
was
approved
with
a
with
a
similar
grade
change.
D
Thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present.
I
don't,
I
don't
see
her
in
in
the
room,
but
is
she
online
present
online.
D
There
you
go,
amy
stay
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
You
have
20
minutes.
R
Thanks,
my
name
is
amy
allgeier.
My
address
is
948
east
monarch
street
in
eagle,
idaho.
I
think
ted
did
a
great
job
with
the
presentation.
I
do
want
to
correct
you.
Just
one
thing:
the
height
of
the
adu
is
not
28
to
34
inches
taller.
The
height
of
the
adu
is
only
12
inches
taller.
The
height
of
the
grade
at
the
alley
is
28
to
34
inches
taller
than
it
is
at
the
house.
So
that's
that's
quite
a
bit
of
a
difference
in
in
in
height.
R
So
that's
that's
the
difference
that
we're
talking
about,
and
it's
primarily
driven
by
the
difference
in
grade
it's
hard
to
deal
with
a
two
to
three
foot
grade
differential
when
we
have
to
tie
into
the
alley
the
alley
is
higher,
so
we
can't
really
drop
the
garage
because
we
have
storm
water,
then
running
into
the
garage.
We
have
to
try
to
catch
that
and
mitigate
it
and
put
it
somewhere
else
on
the
site.
So
that's
that's
really.
R
R
If
we
try
to
drop
the
bearing
height
and
the
adu
to
get
it
a
foot
down
so
that
it
would
be
the
same
height
as
the
house
excuse
me,
we'd
be
losing
about
a
third
of
the
square
footage
in
the
adu,
so
we'd
be
dropping
from
about
450
down
to
300
square
feet
for
a
small
space
that
makes
a
huge
difference.
So
those
are
the
struggles
that
we
are
up
against
trying
to
get
the
height
of
that
adu
down,
and
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
hear
whatever
questions
the
commission
has.
D
Thank
you,
amy.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
staff
or
the
applicant.
C
I
have
a
question
my
questions
for
the
applicant
and
I
was
wondering
what
materials
are
you
going
to
be
using
on
the
edition.
R
Oh
yeah,
we
typically
are
told
by
historic
staff
that
you
know
if
there
aren't
grids
on
the
existing
windows,
that
they
would
prefer
that
we
match
the
not
having
grids
on
the
any
new
windows.
R
D
P
D
Yes,
I
can
sherry
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
You
have
20
minutes.
P
And
sorry,
I
keep
checking
with
you.
I've
got
an
unstable
internet
connection,
so
I'll
be
brief.
Carrie
pitazzo,
on
behalf
of
the
north
and
neighborhood
association
at
11,
10
west
eastman,
the
neighborhood
association,
wants
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
the
project
for
two
reasons:
one.
While
it's
preferable
that
the
adu
or
the
additional
unit
not
exceed
the
height
of
the
house.
It
does
sound
like
there's
an
extenuating
circumstance
that
requires
the
small
height
increase
and
seeing
that
no
neighbors
have
gone
on
record
in
the
file
in
opposition
of
the
project.
H
P
F
This
is
commissioner,
rob
and
I
apologize.
I
did
not
ask
earlier.
I
did
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
and
I
could
hear
the
neighborhood
association.
I
too
have
unstable
internet.
So
I
could
I
didn't
hear
the
first
part,
but
I
hear
that
they
are
in
support
of
it.
That
is
helpful.
I
did
have
a
question
with
regards.
I
see
in
the
site
plans
a
tree
is
being
removed
for
the
garage
in
the
edu,
and
I
just
was
wondering
if
like
was
that
how
what
was
the
condition
of
the
tree?
F
I
know
we
try
to
pre.
You
know
maintain
the
neighborhood
with
regard
to
like
natural
trees
and
so
forth
that
were
there-
and
I
just
didn't
know
if
that
was
something
of
concern
for
neighbors
and
or
if
it
was
necessary
for
I'm
assuming
looking
at
what
we
have
and
what's
being
proposed
that
that
tree
could
not
stay.
R
R
Second,
the
alley
is
lower
on
that
side,
so
that
allowed
us
to
push
to
try
to
keep
that
roof
lower
than
the
house,
or
at
least
you
know
about
10
to
12
inches
lower
than
than
it
would
have
been
on
the
the
south
side
of
the
site,
and
the
third
reason
is
the
the
owners
really
want
to
keep
their
south
light
coming
into
their
backyard,
so
it
made
more
sense,
for
them
logic,
wise
planting
wise
to
put
that
structure
on
the
north
side.
S
I
D
Without
any
more
questions
from
the
commission,
are
there
any
other
anyone
else
in
the
audience
here
to
testify?
With
this
matter,
I
see
none
in
the
room,
none
online.
D
Any
last
questions
for
the
staff
or
the
applicant
from
the
commission:
no
okay,
the
applicant.
You
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
amy.
If
you'd
like.
R
Okay,
I
think
I'm
unmuted
again.
Yes,
okay,
I
don't
really
have
any
rebuttal.
I
sherry
in
the
north
end
neighborhood
association
were
in
favor.
R
I
guess
one
more
note
that
I
would
point
out
is
that
a
street
is
you
know
that
the
house
and
the
situation
is
quite
a
bit
lower
than
the
alley
and
eighth
street
is
quite
a
bit
lower
than
the
house,
and
this
house
is
fairly
massive
so
from
the
street,
even
though
this
garage
adu
is
going
to
be
about
14
inches
taller
than
the
peak
of
the
house,
I
think
we
have
ted
in
the
packet
there's
there
are
there's
a
diagram
that
shows
the
view
lines
for
a
five
foot
tall
person
from
the
street.
R
R
And
that's
all
I
have
to
say
and
unless
anybody
has
any
more
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
for
more
questions.
D
D
D
Well,
ted
is
finding
that
commissioners
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
before
we
move
on
okay,
seeing
none.
I
will
close
the
public
portion
of
this
hearing
and
we'll
consider.
H
J
Would
move
that
we
approve
drh20-00433
with
staff's
recommendations.
D
A
second
for
from
commissioner
moroney
any
discussion.
J
Yeah,
excuse
me
I'll
just
know
that,
while
typically
I
would
be
against
anything,
you
know
any
kind
of
garage
or
edu
being
higher
than
the
house
that
in
this
circumstance
that
technically
isn't
higher
than
the
house.
I
guess
the
height
of
it
is
lower
in
the
house,
although
it
ends
up
being
higher
than
the
house.
J
But
I
appreciate
the
applicant's
awareness
of
the
sight
lines
and
that
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
that
from
the
front
of
the
house
and
from
the
street
view,
you
can
tell
that
the
house
is
very
wide
and
pretty
much
blocks
any
kind
of
view
from
behind
the
house,
and
I
actually
think
you
will
be
able
to
see
this
garage
less
than
you
would
have
been
able
to
see
the
garage
that
was
there
before,
because
it
the
garage
that
was
there
before
actually
stuck
out
beyond
the
side
of
the
house
a
little
bit.
J
So
that
is
why
I'm
in
approval
of
this.
N
Echo
what
commissioner
weaver
has
said.
I
think
this
is
a
perfect
example
of
why
we
have
a
commission
so
that
we
can
make
these
case-by-case
judgments,
and
normally
we
wouldn't
allow
something
that
is
taller
than
the
house,
but
because
of
the
unique
circumstances
on
this
lot
and
the
consideration
that
the
architect
and
the
homeowners
have
made.
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
project
to
approve.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner
moroney
anyone
else.
Okay
with
that
victoria,
would
you
please
call
the
role.
I
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
This
is
a
request
to
remove
the
property
from
the
historic
district
boundary
located
in
the
north
end
historic
district.
A
So
this
is
eighth
street,
where
my
cursor
is
going
north
south
and
then
this
is
heights
drive
here
the
house.
The
property
is
a
kind
of
an
odd
triangular
property
located
just
up
heights
drive
off
of
8th
street
and
it's
located
within
this
mid-century
neighborhood.
A
A
This
property
is
tucked
back
a
bit
and
this
property,
where
my
cursor
is
right
in
front
of
it
actually
fronts
8th
street
and
then
this
property
and
this
property
front
date
street.
The
subject
property
does
not
have
frontage
technically
on
8th
street.
It's
fronting
heights
drive
in
this
again
within
this
mid-century
subdivision
or
neighborhood
back
in
here,
which
it
seems
to
be
a
more
natural
member
of.
A
A
Street
so
as
discussed
in
the
staff
report,
I
some
background
on
this
as
well.
A
project
came
before
the
commission
about
two
years
ago
to
demo
that
house
and
to
build
a
new
house
on
that
property,
and
at
that
time
it
was
kind
of
a
question
of
why
this
house
was
in
the
historic
district
when
it
was
generally
in
a
neighborhood
that
wasn't
in
the
historic
district.
D
Thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present.
D
S
S
But
if
you
could
see
where
our
driveway
apron
is
we're
clearly
in
the
heights
neighborhood-
and
I
don't
know,
if
ted
showed
the
photograph
of
our
house
so
that
you
can
see
that
we
just
the
architectural
style,
I
don't
know
what
what
kind
of
words
I
could
use
for
this.
But
in
my
personal
opinion
we
are
not
historical.
S
H
E
E
S
S
I
D
C
Ted,
I
have
a
question
for
you
with
regard
to
the
historic
district,
so
we
don't
talk
about
this
a
lot,
but
sometimes
these
non-contributing
properties
are
included
in
the
historic
district,
because
changes
to
those
non-contributing
properties
can
affect
the
overall
setting
of
the
historic
district,
including
view.
So
my
concern
is,
as
the
applicant
then
goes,
and
puts
a
two
to
three
story
house
there
that's
going
to
be
a
change
to
the
setting
of
the
neighborhood.
Was
that
considered
in
your
review.
A
Really
it
wasn't
really
considered
because
again,
the
property
is
is
set
back
off
of
off
of
eighth
street
the
grade
of
the
property,
and
this
could
have
been
discussed.
The
greater
the
property
really
prohibits
any
construction
in
this
lower
area.
It's
a
very
steep
grade
here,
so
the
construction
envelope
for
the
house
really
is
in
this
area
here.
A
D
F
Commissioner
koski,
yes,
this
is
erica
or
commissioner
rob.
I
did
have
a
question
for
staff,
so
I
do
remember
this
application
being
brought
forward
because
I
thought
when
we
had
this
today.
I
thought
I
feel
like
we've
seen
this,
but
I've
didn't.
We
have
didn't.
We
approve
their
proposed
plan
and
they
were
gonna,
take
it
down
and
put
a
new
house
on
and
we
approved
that.
So
is
that
no
longer
I
take
it,
they
haven't
done
that.
A
H
A
A
I
know
the
applicant
hasn't
started
construction
on
that.
I
think
they're
going
through,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
steep
hillside.
So
you
see
where
the
house
is
that's
the
building
envelope.
Then
it's
very
steep
in
here.
Any
construction
on
that
property
requires
a
hillside
permit
through
the
city
to
evaluate
the
engineering,
the
soil
and
the
slope.
A
D
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant,
especially
considering
commissioner
rupp's
comments
just
now,
but
the
question
I
have
for
the
applicant
is:
is
there
a
reason
you
want
to
be
out
taken
out
of
the
historic
district,
just
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
your
house
doesn't
match
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
so
I
mean
is:
is
there
something
that
the
historic
district
has
in
it
that
you
don't
want?
I
mean
why?
Why
do
you
want
to
be
removed
from
it?
I
guess.
S
Okay,
well,
first
off
we
did
get
our
original
design
approved
through
historical
and
our
hillside
application
and
our
adu.
S
After
all
that
time,
and
then
in
that
week
something
came
up
where
we
just
need
to
reevaluate
our
design,
so
I
basically
have
to
tweak
the
design
it's
going
to
be
very
similar
to
what
we
have
right
now
approved,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
whole
process
again.
But
the
reality,
in
my
mind,
is
that
we,
this
whole
time
have
been
part
of
the
heights
neighborhood
and
not
part
of
the
north
end
neighborhood,
except
for
that
line.
That
goes
through
our
property.
S
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
could
get
removed
and
have
the
same
design
constraints
that
all
of
our
neighbors
above
us
and
around
us
have
since
we're
part
of
their
neighborhood.
I
I
feel,
like
our
argument
is,
is
solid,
but
of
course
that's
my
opinion
that
I
just
said
in
redesigning
our
design
would
be
extremely
similar.
It
would
just
be
held
to
the
design
standards
of
our
actual
neighbors
in
the
neighborhood
and
as
far
as
us,
affecting
the
view
of
anyone
in
the
north
end
neighborhood
we're
higher
than
they
are.
B
S
Them
by
a
couple
stories
so
and
we're
not
in
the
direction
of
the
view,
so
there's
no
way
that
we're
going
to
be
affecting
the
neighbors
in
the
north
end
neighborhood
that
we're
asking
to
get
removed
from
that's.
L
B
P
I'm
still
here,
commissioner
koski.
This
is
sherry
batazzo
at
11
10
west,
but
we
discussed
this
request
and
read
death
findings.
P
We
actually
supported
it
because,
while
we
didn't
want
to
set
any
kind
of
dangerous
precedent
for
people
who
want
to
be
removed
from
the
historical
group
or
like
we've
been
sensitive
to
in
the
past,
having
contributing
properties
be
reclassified,
it's
a
non-contributing
property.
It
is
kind
of
clearly
inside
a
strange
outline
and
while
we
wondered
the
same
thing
had
the
same
question
for
the
applicant,
what
is
it
that
has
you
inside
the
historic
district?
That's
keeping
you
from
doing
what
you
want
to
do.
P
H
N
Mr
chair,
I
remember
this
applicant
coming
through
several
years
ago
and
it
was
like
the
kind
of
thing
that
sticks
in
your
memory
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
in
terms
of
like
the
character
and
the
neighbors
they
face
and
interact
with.
Why
they're
in
the
north
and
historic
district,
and
I
think
that
they're
wise
to
be
removed
because
it's
it's
not
fair
to
hold
them
to
the
character.
N
We're
trying
to
preserve
in
the
north
end
neighborhood
when
they're,
not
in
the
northern
neighborhood,
so
to
have
them,
have
to
stay
within
character
to
a
neighborhood
that
they
don't
belong
to
when,
when
the
houses
that
surround
them,
don't
have
to
follow
that
character.
It
doesn't
seem
logical
and
that's
why
I
support
them
being
removed.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Moroney
I'd
echo
your
comments
as
well.
I
think
that's
well
said
any
other
discussion.
D
H
L
I
B
A
A
A
E
A
D
You
thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present.
Yes,
if
you'd
like.
B
O
My
name
is
kevin
vincent
four,
two,
two
zero
osage
street
boys,
idaho.
So
from
what
we've
heard,
everything
looks
good
to
me
for
what
we
have
going
on
from
what
I
have
found.
I've
calculated
this
over
and
over
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
what
you
guys
found.
O
My
total
property
percentage
is
34.9
with
a
couple
points
after
that
I've
drawn
that
over
and
over
and
over,
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
under
35.
So
that's
one
of
the
big
things
so
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
really
what
how
that
kind
of
came
about.
What
we
need
to
do
about
that
we're,
okay
with
if
it
really
truly
is
over
35,
is
bringing
that
back,
which
I
think
it's
like
five
inches
on
one
of
the
walls.
O
To
make
sure
that
that
follows
that
35
did
you
do
you
know
ted
if
you
calculated
the
existing
garage
into
that
calculation.
A
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
typically,
when
I'm
calculating
lot
coverage
I'll,
just
take
I'll
use
our
aerial
maps
and
do
a
dimension
of
the
property,
removing
the
structures
that
are
going
to
be
removed
and
then
calculating
back
end.
However,
it's
not
a
perfect
science
just
because
our
gis
maps
aren't
perfect,
so
I
would
recommend
if
the
applicant
is
saying
that
the
project
is
under
35,
then
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
O
D
O
And
I
think,
besides
that
I
think
everything's
good
for
me,
I
appreciate
the
recommendation
so.
I
D
Commissioners,
we
have
any
questions
for
the
staff
for
the
applicant.
I
don't
see
any
questions.
Okay
is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here.
P
Commissioner
koski
it's
sheri
pitazzo
from
the
northern
neighborhood
association
at
1110
west
eastman
street.
We
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
northam
neighborhood
association
wants
to
go
on
record
in
support
of
the
project
with
staff's
findings,
with
the
condition
that
it
does
stay
at
the
35.
I
D
I
C
Chair
I
motion
to
approve
drh
20-0040.
J
D
And
we
have
a
second
from
commissioner
weaver,
any
discussion.
D
No
discussion,
I
don't
know,
do
we
need
to
add
to
the
motion
that
it's
motion
of
approval
is
based
on
the
conditions
stated
or
is
that
is
that
fine.
E
D
No
other
discussion,
okay,
that
being
said
that
victoria
call
the
role
please.
I
D
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
drh2000
hans,
glenn,
2023,
north
18th
street
ted.
Do
we
have
the
report
please.
A
A
This
is
an
existing
aerial
of
the
property,
so
the
existing
house
fronts
dora
street,
and
this
property
has
a
couple
of
underlying
lots
of
record
original
lots
of
record.
So
it's
not
an
actual
land
division.
What
they're,
usually
what
they're
doing,
is
bringing
up
one
of
the
underlying
original
lots
of
record,
making
that
visible
on
the
map
and
then
requesting
the
city
to
adjust
that
to
fit
a
house
on
the
corner
of
the
property.
A
Typically,
we
don't
want
to
see
garages
attached
to
the
house
and
don't
want
to
see
street
access,
but
in
this
case
there
isn't
a
lot
of
choice
in
the
matter
of.
As
far
as
the
access
goes,
there
isn't
an
alley
present,
so
access
does
need
to
occur
if
the
project
is
approved
via
the
street
directly
and
then
as
far
as
the
the
location
of
the
garage
as
far
as
it's
being
detached
or
attached
the
lot.
A
If
the
garage
were
attached
and
separated
from
the
house
the
the
required
amount
of
distance
from
that
house,
which
would
be
at
least
six
feet
it
would,
it
would
encroach
into
the
rear
setback
of
the
property
so
staffed
in
this
case
was
okay
with
the
with
the
garage
being
attached
and
the
commission
has
approved
similar
circumstances
with
attached
garage.
Just
a
couple
of
months
ago,
one
was
approved
as
well
with
an
attached
garage
and
access
off
the
street
for
a
new
construction.
A
E
A
The
these
are
the
drawings
of
the
new
house,
some
craftsman
elements,
but
also
some
more
modern
feel
to
the
house
with
the
larger
windows
and
the
balcony.
A
A
A
D
Thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present.
B
M
Hi
I'm
christina
kirk.
I
work
with
hans
glenn,
the
applicant
but
I'll
be
presenting
this
today
again,
I'm
christy
newkirk,
my
address
is
11939
musket
drive
in
boise.
Thank
you
for
considering
our
application
on
this
lot.
The
current
owners
of
the
existing
home
would
like
to
split
their
lot.
Like
ted
was
mentioning.
M
The
existing
home
will
remain
on
the
property
closest
to
the
alley.
The
new
property
is
not
going
to
have
access
to
the
alley,
but
it
will
have
an
easement
for
sewer
access,
and
once
we
receive
approval
from
the
historic
commission,
we
will
continue
with
that
land
division
and
get
that
settled
with
the
city.
M
The
proposed
home
includes
some
corbel
details
base
and
belly
bands
to
break
up
the
mass
and
two
different
textures
of
siding.
With
the
constraints
of
the
lot
a
front,
porch
was
not
feasible
and
in
its
place
we
designed
a
faux
front
porch
with
a
small
two-foot
roof
structure
over
a
concrete
pad.
The
roof
structure
will
incorporate
open,
rafter
tails
and
is
mimicked
in
several
other
places
around
the
home
for
continuity.
M
When
we
do
this
lot
split,
it
is
going
to
create
a
substandard
lot.
According
to
city
of
boise
code,
and
in
accordance
with
the
sun
standard
block
code,
we
will
have
to
improve
the
right-of-way
with
a
five-foot,
concrete,
sidewalk,
curb
and
gutter,
and
we're
hoping,
as
part
of
this
application,
that
we
can
request
a
rave,
a
waiver
for
this
requirement.
M
Also,
the
requirement
for
this
lot
or
for
sidewalks
on
this
lot
would
require
the
removal
of
nearly
all
the
mature
trees
that
are
bound
on
the
boundary
of
the
property
and,
I
believe,
that's
about
six
over
25
foot
tall
trees,
the
sidewalk
with
the
existing
conditions,
a
sidewalk,
curb
and
gutter
would
be
unnecessary
and
detrimental
to
the
black
face,
as
the
entire
block
is
mainly
consisting
of
mature
trees.
M
D
Okay,
I
have
a
question
for
for
staff
for
ted.
As
far
as
the
curb
and
gutter
and
sidewalk
there
was,
I
think,
in
your
report,
some
discussion
about
it
being
part
of
the
conditions
for
approval.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
I
did
discuss
that.
I
I
must
have
inadvertently
left
off
the
the
conditions
for
the
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
A
I
knew
the
applicants
were
going
to
ask
for
a
waiver
on
that,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
times
with
those
waiver
reviews
they
are
looking
at
the
context
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Is
there
connectivity
to
if
they
were
to
require
the
installation
of
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk?
Is
there
connectivity
to
that
on
the
adjacent
properties?
So
that's
sometimes
what
they
look
at
when
they're
reviewing
the
record
survey,
for
instance,
which
does
require
by
default
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
on
the
property,
which
is
where
they'll
ask
for
their
their
waiver.
A
However,
the
commission,
if,
if
the
commission
feels
that
the
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
should
be
in
there
and
should
be
a
part
of
this
project,
then
you
can
add
that
obviously
add
that
commit
condition
back
in
that
I
left
out.
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
from
the
commission
for
the
staff
for
the
applicant
okay,
saying
none
registered
neighborhood
association
here.
P
It
doesn't
look
like
anyone
has
come
out
in
opposition
of
this
project
so
typically
we'll
support
something
that
doesn't
have
opposition.
This
seems
to
comply
with
the
city's
plan
for
greater
density,
so
it's
hard
to
say
that
that
it
shouldn't
be,
and
it
looks
like
it
follows
in
line.
You
know
with
the
elements
that
the
historic
district
likes
to
see
in
new
construction.
P
D
Thank
you,
sherry.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
comment
on
this
matter
either
in
the
room
here
or
online?
I
D
Any
last
questions
for
staff
for
the
applicant
from
the
commission:
nope,
okay,
the
applicant-
you
do
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
If
you'd
like
to
say
anything
else,.
D
F
D
We
have
a
motion
for
approval
and
a
second,
oh:
do
we
have
any
discussion.
D
Go
ahead,
commissioner,
brown.
C
So
we've
been
seeing
a
couple
of
these
projects
that
are
energy
efficient,
which
I
really
like,
but
we've
also
seen
other
projects
that
come
in
and
we're
trying
to
replicate
the
past
with
the
houses
that
are
in
these
neighborhoods
with
craftsman
style.
So
I
mean
overall,
they
do
a
pretty
good
job,
not
falsifying
everything,
but
like
the
use
of
knee
brackets,
and
things
like
that
could
have
been,
I
guess,
taken
away
out
of
the
design
and
it
might
have
less
craftsman
elements
to
be
included
in
it
and
more
modern
and
contemporary.
C
Like
I
like
the
the
use
of
the
windows
on
the
the
first
floor,
those
are
nice.
The
second
story,
windows
on
the
front
facade,
could
have
been
different,
but
overall
it's
a
good
design.
I
think
we're
moving
in
a
better
direction,
each
meeting
with
these
designs
and
we're
not
getting
what
we
call
faux
crafts
in
our
false
sense
of
history.
So
it's
clashing
with
standard
three
of
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
rehabilitation.
So
that's
my
comments.
D
Any
other
comments,
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
make
one
goes
back
to
the
curb
and
gutter
and
and
sidewalks.
I
would.
I
would
like
to
see
that
added
to
the
motion.
D
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
considered
or
I'd
like
to
request
the
commission
to
consider
that
also
I'll
go
back
to
the
person
who
made
the
motion.
I
guess
daniel.
N
I'm
just
I'm
in
disagreement
with
you,
because
I
live
within
a
couple
blocks
of
here:
there's
no
curb
and
gutter
anywhere,
like
the.
I
believe
the
architect
was
saying:
they're
gonna
have
to
remove
the
trees,
and
this
is
a
is
the
block
that
has
lots
of
trees.
Historically,
18th
street
is
where
the
trolley
ran,
and
so
18th
street
is
all
really
ready
really
wide.
N
I
walk
this
street
pretty
much
every
day
with
tiny,
tiny
children,
because
I
have
two
of
them
and
I
I
just
don't
see
the
curb
and
gutter
as
necessary
in
this
project.
I
think
it'll
actually
interfere
with
the
character.
That's
already
existing
on
this
at
this
block
and
actually
several
blocks
around
it.
It
has
no
connectivity,
it's
not
going
to
hook
up
to
anything.
C
And
I
agree
with
her
too
you're
creating
again
the
false
sense
of
history
that
there
was
never
a
curb
and
sidewalk
there.
C
So
there's
no
need
to
add
that
to
the
neighborhood
as
she
said,
it
was
a
trolley
line,
so
you
would
have
walked
outside
your
house
jumped
on
the
trolley,
and
that
was
it.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
add
side
where
sidewalks,
where
sidewalks
weren't.
Historically,
it's
just
that
progression
that
we
see
in
the
development
of
the
neighborhoods.
D
Comments
hearing
no
more
discussion
victoria,
please
call
the.
D
I
L
L
H
D
Thank
you.
Everyone,
we'll
move
on
to
the
last
item
on
the
agenda.
A
A
So
as
such
they're,
you
know
with
new
construction
on
lots,
oriented
like
this
they're.
They
run
into
setback
issues,
especially
rear
setback,
issues
which
are
required
to
be
15
feet,
or
it
would
normally
not
be
a
problem
if
the
house
was
maybe
fronting
jefferson
and
you
have
the
more
elongated
side
of
the
of
the
property
going
north
south.
A
This
is
the
existing
house
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
front
portion
of
the
house
is
about
14
feet,
4
inches
with
the
adu
here
in
the
black
square,
about
15
feet
from
that
locust
street
property
line,
so
they're
pretty
the
it
appears,
the
the
adu
will
actually
be
in
front
of
the
main
wall,
plane
main
facade
area
of
the
house,
but
a
bit
behind
the
bump
out
area.
A
A
Application
and
the
concerns
as
indicated,
are
that
the
adu
is
too
close
to
the
facade
of
this.
This
is
a
contributing
house,
and
so
it's
too
close
to
that
front
facade
of
the
contributing
house
and
is
not
subordinate
enough
to
to
the
contributing
house.
A
So
we
did
have
a
condition
of
approval
that
it'd
be
at
least
five
feet
set
back
from
that
main
wall
plane
on
the
house
that
the
the
adu
be
set
back
at
least
five
feet,
which
isn't
a
lot,
but
it
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
for
it
to
to
really
move
because
of
the
orientation
of
the
lot.
So
we
kind
of
just
came
up
with
five
feet
for
this
detached
structure
to
be
to
be
set
back
and
to
hopefully
make
it
subordinate
to
the
main
to
the
main
structure
on
the
property.
A
And
with
that,
with
that
condition,
and
others,
we
recommend
approval
of
drh2449.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
ted
is
the
applicant
present.
Yes,
please
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
You'll
have
20
minutes.
G
The
thing
that
happened
with
the
house
is
that
originally
we
I
applied
for
a
very
I
was
going
to
apply
for
a
variance
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
back
side
of
the
house
on
the
on
the
west
side
and
we
called
up
the
city.
I
have
an
architect
that
called
the
city,
and
they
told
us
that
since
my
house
faced
locust
street
that
the
adu
could
the
setback
would
only
have
to
be
15
feet
and
the
setback.
G
The
the
distance
from
my
house
to
the
street.
The
main
house
is
actually
less
than
the
distance
from
the
street
to
the
little
adu.
G
D
If
you're
out
there
online
and
part
and
part
of
the
on
the
same
party
with
the
applicant,
could
you
please
raise
your
hand
virtually?
So
we
can
see
you.
D
Well,
I
just
hang
tight
we're
just
he's
working
on
okay,
we
have
someone
raising
their
hand.
Okay,
please
unmute
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
T
I'm
leah
mcmillan,
my
address
is
3050
west
hester
in
boise,
I'm
the
architect
on
the
project,
and
we
did
have
a
pre-op
and
talked
about
how.
If
we
didn't
go
into
the
rear
yard,
we
wouldn't
need
a
variance
that
we
could
observe
the
15-foot
setback
in
the
rear
and
the
15
foot
front
set
back
and
not
have
to
go
through.
D
G
I
couldn't
really
understand
that
very
well,
but
anyhow,
one
of
my
main
things
is
that
the
the
way
the
house
is
designed
right
now
it
fits
the
yard
so
much
better.
I
have
because
my
kids
are
going
to
live
in
one
house,
I'm
going
to
live
in
the
other
one
and
there's
a
it'll
leave
room
for
a
yard
between
the
houses
and
also
being
closer
to
locust
I'll
have
room
in
the
backyard.
G
I
have
a
tree
out
there
that
I
planted
35
years
ago
with
my
son
and
his
apricot
tree,
and
I
wanted
to
keep
that
as
part
of
the
house
and
it
just
it
just,
and
it
fits
a
lot
better
with
with
the
lot,
because
the
front
of
the
house
on
locust,
the
part
that
sticks
out
from
the
main
house
is
going
to
be
pretty
close
to
where
the
adu
starts.
G
As
far
as
distance
from
the
street
and
it
kind
of
leaves
a
natural
courtyard
there,
where
you
could
have
a
nice
yard
for
the
kid
grandkid.
You
know
the
kids
to
play
in
and
I'm
going
to
do
the
house
all
in
stucco.
Just
like
the
original
house,
all
the
windows
are
going
to
be
period
from
the
house
of
the
1930s
and
it's
going
to
look
good,
but
it
just
looks
if
I
was
made
to
move
it
back
I
to
get
get
the
square
footage.
I'd
have
to
elongate
the
front
and
it
look.
G
G
I
couldn't
understand
what
she
was
saying
on
the
intercom,
but
we
also
checked
with
the
city
after
you
know,
we
did
the
drawings
and
they
told
us
that's
why
I
originally
had
lee
go
ahead
and
do
the
plans
like
that,
because
they
told
us
that
we
could
be
that
distance
from
locust
with
the
adu
and
it's
only
a
foot
difference,
or
so
you
know
it's,
but
otherwise
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
apply
for
a
variance
on
the
back
side,
which
would
put
it
closer
to
the
neighbor's
fence
and
kind
of
ruin.
U
V
Yeah,
I'm
steve's
brother.
I
just
help
him
with
all
types
of
projects
like
this
and
I
think
everything's
been
covered
just
a
couple
things
that
points
I'd
like
to
make
further
one
there's,
there's
absolutely
no
opposition
from
any
neighbors
there's
any
associations.
Anybody
nearby.
All
the
neighbors
are
great
friends
of
steve
he's
been
there
for
30
years,
and
all
of
them
are
excited
about
this
dwelling
he's
he's
going
to
put
there
it's
kind
of
been
confusing,
but
this
adu
is
still
behind
the
main
house.
V
V
V
None
of
this
would
just
be
an
issue
because
all
the
setbacks
would
be
in
the
court,
and
so
when
you're
on
a
corner
lot,
you
kind
of
get
double
punished
here,
because
just
because
the
house
faces
locust,
then
what
becomes
the
back
would
have
been
the
side
and
and
all
those
things
get
inverted.
So
I
think
he's
you
know:
he's
worked
with
leah
we've.
We've
worked
hard
to
try
to
build
this
and
make
this
to
fit
within
the
neighborhood.
There's
several
adus
in
the
neighboring
blocks.
V
Leah's
done
all
she
can
to
comply
with
everything,
and
we
really
think
it's
a
nice
project
he's
been
a
long
time.
Member
of
the
community
we're
we're
lifelong.
You
know
boise
city
residents
and
I
know
the
city
wants
to
have
density
in
there,
and
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
proposal
I
think
they're
looking
for
is
somebody
trying
to
build
an
extra
place
for
their
kids
because
it's
so
hard
to
rent
and
purchase
the
property
in
this
house
when
you're,
just
young
getting
started.
V
So
those
are
just
things
I'd
like
to
add,
and
thank
you
very
much
very
much
for
your
time.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
any
anyone
else
at
your
party
willing
to
testify
your
during
your
term
period,
you're,
good,
okay,
commissioners,
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
staff
or
the.
D
Have
a
I
have
a
question
for
staff
question
for
ted.
Looking
at
the
proposed
site
plan:
okay,
there's
lots
of
discussion
here
about
it
being
in
front
of
it
not
being
in
front
of,
I
think,
maybe
for
clarity.
D
I'm
looking
at
the
site
plan-
and
it
looks
like
the
east
side
of
the
existing
house,
which
is
on
locust,
which
is
the
front
of
the
house-
has
a
I'll
call
it
a
bump
out,
but
on
the
northern,
the
north
northern
corner
there
that
bumps
out
closer
to
the
street-
and
it
looks
like
it-
has
a
14
foot,
four
setback
versus
the
proposed
adu
being
at
15
foot.
So
is
that
what
the
diff,
what
the
applicant
was
commenting
on
and
how
that
it?
D
A
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
yes,
the
house,
the
the
adu
is
technically
not
in
front
of
the
main
structure.
If
it
were,
they'd
also
require
a
conditional
use
permit,
because
that's
required
for
accessory
structures
when
they're
in
front.
It
is
an
a
foot
behind
that
section
of
the
house
that
sticks
out,
so
it
is,
it
is
technically
behind
the
house.
Staff's
concern
was
less
with
it
being
just
behind
the
house,
but
with
with
it
being
behind
enough
to
where
it
didn't,
it
was
subordinate.
A
You
know
the
guidelines
call
for
accessory
structures
to
be
subordinate
to
the
main
structure.
So
in
our
staff
review
you
know
I
I
felt
like
that.
The
that
it
was
a
that
it
wasn't
positioned,
subordinate
to
the
main
house
on
the
property
it
is.
It
is
technically
behind
the
main
house,
as
it
sits
facing
locust
street.
A
It
was
just
a
you
know,
using
the
language
of
our
guidelines
and
and
having
these
accessory
structures
being
subordinate
staff
felt
like
it
needed
to
go
back
a
little
bit
further
to
be
subordinate
to
the
house,
which
is
why
we
put
the
condition
of
approval
in
there.
Now,
with
that
being
said,
it
is
understood
that
the
orientation
of
the
lot
makes
that
really
difficult.
A
So
if
you
were
to
keep
the
footprint
of
the
adu
as
it
is
now
and
move
it
back
a
minimum
of
five
feet,
you
know
they're
already
right
at
the
rear
setback
mark
of
15
feet.
So
you
move
that
you
move
it
back
at
all,
they're,
going
to
need
a
variance
or
they're
going
to
need
to
shrink
the
adu
significantly.
A
So
there
are,
it
is
understood.
There
are
issues
with
that
with
the
setbacks
in
the
orientation
of
the
lot.
However,
staff's
condition
is
based
on
just
the
language
of
the
guidelines
and
having
these
accessory
structures
subordinate
to
the
main
structure,
and
maybe
fi
and
normally
we'd
require
more
than
five
feet,
probably,
but
in
in
this
case,
it's
it's
pretty
tough.
Just
because
of
the
the
way
the
house
is
oriented
and
the
the
person
that
spoke
earlier
is
correct.
A
D
So
when
you
say
in
the
conditions
of
approval
of
bringing
it
setting
it
back
five
feet,
it
would
then
be
based
on
the
proposed
site
plan.
That's
on
that
we're
looking
at.
It
would
then
be
equal
to
what
you're
calling
the
main
front
line
of
the
house
or.
A
Set
back
probably
back
into
here
so
more
than
it
had
to
go
more
than
five
feet
back
from
where
it
is
now,
whatever
this
distance
is
to
here
plus
five
feet.
So
so,
maybe
maybe.
A
It
is
now
plus
or
minus
so
you're
talking.
It
would
be
about
five
feet
roughly
from
that
rear
property
line.
So
and
again
it
was
brought
up.
The
downside
to
that
is.
You
are
eating
up
some
of
that
rear
that
yard
space
behind
the
building,
but
it's
just
an
unfortunate
situation
of
how
the
how
the
house
is
oriented
on
the
lot
really.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
see
some
virtual
hands
being
raised,
so
public
other
comment
will
will
get
to
you.
So
just
be
patient.
We're
gonna
go
go
in
the
correct
order
here.
Do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
or
the
applicant
from
the
commissioners.
C
So
if
we
kept
the
same,
the
the
setback
the
applicant
is
proposing,
I
have
a
question
for
the
architect:
is
it
possible
to
differentiate
the
the
stucco
finish,
different
variations
of
stucco
and
how
it
can
be
finished?
Can
there
be
a
different
style
of
windows
so
we're
not
creating
a
false
sense
of
history
and
that
we
know
this
house
was
added
where
it
is
on
the
lot
and
it's
not
mimicking
the
house
next
to
it.
T
We
can
change
the
the
stucco
the
adu
is
proposed
to
be
shorter
and
in
in
smaller
in
square
footage
than
the
primary
dwelling,
but
if
you'd
like
a
different
kind
of
trim,
a
different
kind
of
window,
of
course,
that's
possible.
T
You
have
to
understand
that
it's
difficult
for
us
to
try
to
guess
when
you
want
us
to
match
the
windows
and
when
you
don't
want
us
to
match
the
windows,
for
example,
if
you
don't
want
them
to
have
divided
lights,
if
you
want
them
out
of
a
different
material,
all
that
is,
of
course,
an
option.
The
owner
is
not
married
to
these
dwellings
being
big
sister
little
sister.
C
D
You
you'll
you'll,
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
in
in
a
minute
any
other
questions
from
the
commissioners
before
we
move
on
to
the
neighborhood
association.
D
Okay,
I
see
ina
is
here
ina
you
if
you,
if
you
would
speak,
you
can
unmute
yourself
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
and
you
have
20
minutes.
K
Hi,
this
is
sheila
grisham
with
ina.
I
live
at
1204
east
state
street
boise
83712,
I
would
say
originally.
I
had
some
concerns
with
the
adu
being
about
two-thirds
of
the
size
of
the
house.
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
how
that
would
look
on
the
lot
it
almost
to
me.
It
would
look
like
the
lot
had
been
subdivided
without
actually
been
having
been
subdivided,
but
I
must
say,
after
hearing
the
story
and
how
this
adu
is
going
to
be
used,
it
warms
my
heart.
K
This
is
what
this
neighborhood
is
all
about,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
application
and
I'm
glad
that
they
have
the
family
is
able
to
work
this
out.
Thank.
D
You
thank
you
for
that.
I
know,
there's
is
there
any
other
neighborhood
associations
that
are
nearby
that
want
to
speak
up
sherry
b?
Is
this
something
you
want
to
comment
on.
P
Commissioner
koski
it's
sherry
batazo
at
the
north
end
neighborhood
association,
1110,
west
eastman
street,
and
only
because
you
asked
and
because
I
stayed
on
until
the
end
of
the
meeting
I
visited
briefly
with
the
east
end
neighborhood
association
today
regarding
this
application
and
agreed
to
stay
late
to
listen
for
it.
I
was
curious
about
the
way
that
the
plans
were
presented.
The
elevations
seemed
fairly
vague,
so
I
wondered
if
it
was
something
that
you
guys
would
approve.
There's
there's
just
been
a
number
of
items
that
have
brought
it
up
been
brought
up
for
discussion.
P
So
I
I
really
don't
have
any
comments
aside
from
curiosity
about
what
looks
like
a
vague
thank
you
ted
for
bringing
that
up
what
looks
like
vague
elevations.
P
At
the
same
time,
I
looked
at
the
pictures
of
the
property
and
saw
that
it
was
stucco
and
it
was
fairly
simple
in
its
design
and
the
adu
seemed
to
match
what
was
there,
and
I
think
commissioner
brown
often
brings
up,
and
I
really
appreciate
that
we
shouldn't
replicate
history,
but
at
the
same
time
it
can
be
nice
to
have
something
that
matches
in
some
way
shape
or
form
and
doesn't
actually
look
like
the
increased
density
and
structures
that
are
added
in
new
construction
to
the
neighborhood.
P
So
just
some
comments,
but
really
that's
it.
So,
thanks
for
asking.
D
I
D
W
Great,
thank
you.
My
name
is
christa
broderick
french.
I
live
at
1208,
east
franklin,
street
boise
83712
and
I'm
just
a
few
blocks
up
from
this
location
at
franklin
and
locust,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
example
of
what
we
want
to
add
into
our
neighborhood,
I'm
in
total
support
of
it,
and
I
I
think
it's
a
great
addition.
D
D
G
I
just
like
to
address
what
she
was
talking
about
about
the
finish
on
the
house.
Okay
and
the
house
is
an
old
stucco
style
house
from
the
1930s,
it's
craftsman-style
stucco.
All
the
inside
walls
are
stucco
coved
over
and
I
I
really
want
to
stay
with
the
same
style
on
the
outside
and
have
the
same
windows
so
it
and
and
the
the
design
of
the
roof
is
going
to
match
the
pitch
on
the
roof
on
my
house
so
that
they
kind
of
mimic
each
other
and
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood.
G
G
So
that's
why
I
wanted
to
stay
with
the
stucco
style
and
the
french
windows,
and
you
know,
basically,
the
same
same
type
type
of
house.
So
that's
the
rest
of
that,
like
I
really
can't
understand
this
intercom
system.
I
don't
know
if
it's
my
hearing
or
just
where
I'm
sitting,
but
I
didn't
understand
a
lot
of
that,
but
I
did
understand
that
one
person
was
in
favor
of
it,
so
anyhow
all
right
yeah.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
the
the
the
comments
were
you
got
good
good
comments
that
were
in
favor
of
your
project,
so
you're
could
the
comments
that
you
were
caming
online
were
in
favor
of
your
project.
J
N
And
just
ask
a
clarifying
question:
does
that
mean
you
want
it
to
be
set
back
the
additional
five
feet
from
the
predominant
facade
that
that
staff
was
talking
about.
J
D
On
the
table
for
approval
of
drh20049,
based
on
the
conditions
of
approval
from
staff,
do
we
have
a
second
and
I'll
just
make
a
comment
to
the
commissioners
that,
in
order
to
the
proper
the
proper
way,
I
guess
to
robert's
rules
way
of
discussing
a
a
topic
is
to
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
discuss
it.
It
will
go
to
vote
and,
if
it,
but
it
that
opens
up
things
for
discussion.
So
if
there's
a
second,
we
can
move
on
to
discussion.
Otherwise,.
B
D
No
second,
okay,
commissioner
weaver,
would
you
like
to
restate
your
motion.
J
Sure
I
will
do
that
because
no
discussion
is
it's
good
enough
is
discussion.
I
moved
that
we
approved
drh
20-0049
with
staff's
recommendations,
except
for
the
requirement
to
have
the
five
foot
set
back.
I
was
just
trying
to
see
here,
which
is
I'm
sorry
item
e.
D
Motion
in
that
second
by
commissioner
moroney,
okay,
danielle,
maybe
or
commissioner
weaver-
maybe
you'd
like
to
discuss
your
motion
a
little
bit
first,
would
you
like
to
start.
J
Well,
yeah,
I
mean
I
think
that
it
sounds
like
through
all
the
discussion
that
it
is.
Is
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
do
that
and
it
and
you
know
typically,
you
know
we
wouldn't
want
the
the
garage
or
any
kind
of
other
structures
on
the
site
to
be.
J
You
know
in
forward
of
the
house
itself,
but
in
this
case
it
makes
sense
and
it
is
a
very
unique
condition
and
I
think
that
in
the
end
it
will
probably
end
up
being
where
it
is
anyways,
just
by
all
going
through
all
the
additional
approvals
with
the
city
and
trying
to
get
that
to
work
out.
So
because
it's
still
technically
behind
the
house
and
quite
a
bit
behind
the
house.
I
think
that
it
will
be
fine.
D
D
D
Structure
to
the
main
house,
that
being
said,
you
know,
I
think,
you've
we've
got
support
from
the
neighborhood
association.
I
understand
the
situation
and
what
the
property
owner
is
trying
to
do,
and
I
understand
the
restriction
of
the
side
setback
as
it
is.
D
I
guess,
on
the
back
of
this
new
proposed
building,
I
understand
that
being
a
difficult
thing
to
work
through,
I
would
like
to
see
I
would
like
to
see
it
set
back
from
the
front
as
per
staff's
recommendations
and
have
the
applicant
pursue
getting
a
variance
on
the
setback
on
behind
that
adu,
and
I
guess
that
would
be
the
side
yard
or
is
that
the
backyard?
D
You
know
the
the
west
border
of
the
yard?
I
would
like
to
see
him
pursue
that
versus
having
it
as
far
forward
as
it
is
in
front
of
the
main
portion
of
the
house
on
locust
street,
so
I'm
leaning
towards
not
voting
approval
on
the
motion
because
of
that.
F
This
is
commissioner,
robin
commissioner
weaver.
Thank
you
for
getting
to
it
before
I
was
trying
to
find
the
scroll
through
and
find
the
right
notes
to
be
able
to
make
the
motion.
So
I
appreciate
you
making
the
motion.
I
understand
where
commissioner
koski
is
coming
from,
but
I
think
with
the
testimony
that
we
have
before
us
and
the
information
that
I
heard,
I
would
be
in
support
of
the
motion
that
you
presented
and
what
the
applicant
is
also
requesting.
D
Thank
you
any
other
discussion
from
the
commissioners.
C
I
do
have
some
discussion,
so
I'm
looking
at
this
as
a
second
house.
Basically
on
this
lot,
because
with
the
the
current
house,
that's
there,
it
is
facing
the
other
street.
It's
not
facing
it's,
not
oriented
like
all
the
other
houses,
so
it's
almost
impossible
to
put
an
adu,
that's
going
to
be
submissive
to
that
house,
and
so
that's
why
I
was
recommending
that
it
just
takes
a
minor
tweak
to
change
the
windows.
You
change.
You
can
have
the
stucco,
but
stucco
has
different
finishes.
You
have
smooth
finish.
C
C
I
N
Mr
chair,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
support
this
project.
I
think
the
reason
why
we
have
a
commission
is
because
we
take
these
things
on
a
case-by-case
basis
right
if
there
weren't
unique
situations,
a
computer
could
do
our
jobs
and
it'd
be
really
straightforward,
and
so
because
we
do
things
on
a
case
by
case
to
basis,
because
we
see
funky
things
in
the
city.
N
Like
we've
seen
you
know
several
times
tonight,
we
can
consider
the
stories
behind
things
and
what
history
we're
trying
to
preserve
and
who's
history,
we're
trying
to
preserve-
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
also
the
character
of
these
neighborhoods,
and
so,
if
we're
looking
at
this
design,
I
think
allowing
it
to
be
forward.
We
have
we
can
they
can
keep
this
this
better
design
project
like
the
house,
it
looks,
it
looks
cute
like
he
was
saying.
N
If
you
set
it
back
and
you
start
to
mess
with
things,
it's
going
to
become
longer
it,
it
might
look,
it
might
not
be
as
cute
or
as
visually
appealing
as
the
design
that
they
have
now,
but
also
you
know,
the
homeowner
is
talking
about
a
house
or
a
tree
in
his
backyard
that
he
planted
with
his
son
30
years
ago,
like
the
personal
history
of
these
blocks
also
has
something
to
do
with
the
character
right,
and
so
we
are
able
to
listen
to
these
stories
and
to
make
these
decisions
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
I
think
you
know
yes,
it
is
a
unique
situation.
N
Yes,
you
know
it's
not
a
typical
adu,
but
I
think
they've
done
a
good
design.
I
think
they've
tried
to
keep
it
congruent.
I
think
that
they're
probably
getting
conflicting
opinions
from
us
right
now,
where
we're
saying
we
want
it
to
match,
but
we
want
you
to
change
things.
I
think
they've
done
a
good
job.
I
think
it
looks
good
and
I
think
we
can.
We
can
make
the
variance
in
this
case
and
that's
why
I'm
supporting
this
project.
J
Yeah,
I
guess
one
other
thing
I
just
would
like
to
add
to
is
the
overhang
over
the
entrance.
You
know
it's
primarily,
I
think,
what's
sticking
out
in
front
of
the
other
house
and
that
most
of
the
house,
unless
that's
not
what's
in
the
it's
hard
to
tell-
maybe
that's
not
what's
in
the
black
area
that
will
stick
out
a
little
bit
more,
but
it
you
know
it's
it's
fairly
minimal.
Beyond
the
the
house,
the
main
house.
D
J
I
D
I
like
it,
I
like
the
discussion,
we're
having
and
I
like
the
neighborhood
associations
and
people
speaking
up,
so
I
think
that's
great.
Do
we
have
any
other
discussion
before
we
call
the
role
okay
without
any
further
discussion
victoria?
Would
you
call
the
role
please.
H
L
L
Hey
pete,
oh
sorry,
aye
motion
carries
five
in
favor.
One
opposed.
D
Okay-
and
I
think
that
was
last
item
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening
with
that-
thank
you,
everyone
for
being
patient
with
me
running
my
first
meeting
on
the
fly,
but
thanks.
Thank
you,
everybody
and
we
will
adjourn
the
meeting
have
a
good
night.