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A
Item
with
mary
is
going
to
discuss
some
items
from
the
legal
department
legal
perspective.
We
can
go
ahead
and
let
you
get
started
mary
if
you'd
like.
B
C
D
There
we
go
is
that
better,
excellent
I'll
start
again,
we'll
we'll
get
this
started
off
on
the
right
eventually,
I
said
madame
chair
commissioners
again,
my
name
is
mary
grant,
I'm
the
attorney.
That's
been
supporting
historic
preservation,
commission
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
and
maybe
before
I
get
started,
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
quick
opportunity
to
introduce
and
let
you
all
know
as
far
as
my
colleague,
I'm
gonna
just
go
like
this.
D
This
is
ty
stoddard
he's
going
to
be
coming
into
these
historic
preservation,
commission
meetings
and
eventually
we'll
be
sitting
in
where
I
will
be
providing
him
back
up
so
wanted
to
give
him
an
opportunity
to
introduce
himself
very
quickly.
C
Hi,
my
name
is
tai
stoddard.
I
started
working
with
the
city
about
four
months
ago
and
I'm
excited
to
work
with
you
all
and
and
mary's
done
a
good
job.
So
far
of
onboarding
me
onto
hpc
and
I've,
I've
watched
some
hearings
and
stuff.
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
y'all.
D
So,
with
regards
to
our
presentation
tonight,
part
of
the
purpose
is,
I
think,
for
the
benefit
of
some
of
our
new
commissioners
as
well
as
tai
and
anybody
else.
Who's
interested
is
to
go
over
some
of
the
authority
of
hpc,
where
that
authority
comes
from
sort
of
the
scope
of
that
authority
and
just
to
review
some
of
those
legal
bases
and
then
go
over
the
legal
process
and
some
procedures.
D
This
is
going
to
be
a
two-part
training
tonight,
we'll
just
go
over
that
historic
preservation,
commission
authority
and
decisions
and
appeals
for
next
work
session.
That's
likely
when
we
will
get
to
our
due
process
issues
and
kind
of
the
role
that
we
as
the
city's
legal
department
play
in
supporting
the
historic
preservation,
commission
and
then
historic
planning.
D
We
have
the
ability
to
regulate,
there's
also
so
with
that
constitutional
grant
and
the
whole
quote
unquote,
not
in
conflict
with
the
charter
is,
generally
speaking,
we
have
to
have
some
other
statutory
authority
beyond
that
sort
of
general
grant
in
the
constitution
to
exercise
some
regulatory
authority
so
for
the
preservation
of
historic
sites
that
comes
specifically
from
title
67,
chapter
46,
where
it
authorizes
local
governing
bodies
to
have
comprehensive
historic
preservation
programs,
and
that
includes
the
establishment
of
a
historic
preservation
commission.
D
So
that's
what
provides
the
powers
and
duties
of
this
commission?
That's
the
means
for
which
local
governments
can
designate
the
historic
districts
provides
the
procedure
for
how
local
governments
are
able
to
do
that,
and
it's
from
that
statutory
authority
where
it
requires
the
issuance
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
prior
to
any
alteration,
demolition,
restoration.
That
type
of
thing
in
an
area
that
is
designated
as
a
historic
district
or
a
property
that
is
designated
as
a
historic
landmark.
D
From
the
statutory
authority
granted
by
our
idaho
code,
we
also
have
local
ordinances.
So,
under
that
authority
we
have
enacted
several
local
ordinances.
One
is
more
broadly
the
historic
preservation
districts
that
that
kind
of
outlines
and
codifies
the
procedure
that's
outlined
in
the
statutes,
the
idaho
statutes
and
puts
them
into
our
local
statutes.
D
The
main
purpose
is
for
the
promotion,
preservation
and
protection
of
historic
buildings
structures
sites
all
of
those
types
of
things,
and
really
to
encourage
that
any
new
building,
as
part
as
of
our
comprehensive
planning
and
city's
growth,
will
be
harmonious
with
the
existing
historical
neighborhood.
D
D
This
is
not
an
exhaustive
list
in
terms
of
what
is
on
this
particular
slide,
but
it
does
cover.
Generally
speaking,
what
the
scope
and
purview
of
this
commission
is
there
for
and
then
establishes
the
you
know.
Existence
of
the
commission
provides
for
how
many
commissioners
can
be
appointed
the
length
of
their
terms,
those
types
of
things,
but
in
terms
of
scope
and
duty.
D
D
This
commission
does
have
the
ability
to
recommend
ordinances
or
otherwise
provide
information
for
the
purpose
of
historic
preservation.
So
that
is
why
things
such
as
demolition
ordinances,
the
amendment
that
came
through
not
that
long
ago,
first
came
before
the
historic
preservation
commission
before
then
going
on
to
other
decision
bodies
for
final
approval
and
then
obviously
where
this
commission
most
often
acts
is
in
the
review
of
all
development
proposals
within
the
historic
district
overlay
and
deciding
those
applications
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
D
A
couple
of
other
things
that
are
outlined
in
our
local
ordinances
as
far
as
the
scope
and
duties
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
again,
a
question
that
has
come
up
is
reclassification
so
oftentimes
when
the
commission
is
deliberating
over
a
particular
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
D
D
There
are
criteria
that
the
hpc
needs
to
review,
to
determine
if
it's
appropriate
for
reclassification-
and
this
is
not
an
exhaustive
list,
but
generally
needs
to
be
tied
to
one
of
these
two
criterias
that,
if
it's
not
in
request
to
so
let
me
pause
here
just
for
a
second
in
this
relation
to
requesting
a
new
survey.
D
This
reclassification
is
generally
as
to
a
very
specific
property,
so
you're,
looking
at
the
criteria
for
that
particular
just
that
site,
whereas
a
survey
would
likely
be
broader
in
scope
and
would
be
brought
before
the
commission
or
brought
up
by
the
commission
for
purposes
of
reserving
building
sites
structures
in
a
particular
area.
D
Also,
as
a
side
note
on
these
reclassifications,
as
this
has
come
up
in
consideration
of
particular
applications-
is
that
this
is
something
that
likely
would
need
to
occur
prior
to
an
application
for
a
current
certificate
of
appropriateness.
D
D
It's
kind
of
the
idea
of
you,
don't
get
to
change
the
rules
of
the
game
mid-game,
and
so,
if
the
a
property
were
to
come
before
the
commission
and
there's
a
desire
for
reclassification
outside
of
a
request
from
the
property
owner,
it
would
be.
You
know,
behoove
the
commission
to
ensure
that
there
is
not
already
a
pending
application
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
on
that.
D
A
couple
of
other
things
within
the
scope
and
the
duties
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
are
the
designation
of
historic
landmarks
or
a
removal
of
that
designation
from
a
landmark,
that's
already
designated
as
historic.
It
does
not
come
up
as
often
also
the
request
for
demolition
or
a
request
for
change
in
use
for
historic.
D
Property-
and
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
historic
preservation
commission's
relation
to
broader
planning
so
and
I'll,
I'm
going
to
step
back
for
just
a
second
most
of
our
local
land
use
laws
come
from
what
is
called
the
local
land,
use,
planning,
act
or
lupa.
D
D
But
it
is
a
guide
and
advice
to
the
government
agencies
responsible
for
making
zoning
decisions
and
where
this
commission
is
not
necessarily
making
zoning
decisions
by
our
boise
city
code,
title
11
development
code.
The
criteria
for
this
commission
to
consider
is
also
whether
or
not
a
c
of
a
is
in
compliance
or
in
line
with
our
comprehensive
plan.
D
So
let
me
I'm
gonna,
make
one
other
clarification
with
regards
to
that
comprehensive
plan
that
this
case
law
that's
cited
up
there
on.
The
slide
essentially
says
that
you
cannot
deny
an
application
solely
on
the
basis
that
it
fails
to
comply
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
that
is
because
it
is
a
guide
and
it
is
advice.
It
does
not
act
as
controlling
law.
D
So
when
you're
looking
at
considerations
and
criteria
for
a
c
of
a
there,
are
several
different
things
that
the
commission
considers.
You
know,
like
our
urban
renewal
plans,
our
comprehensive
plan,
the
residential
guidelines
for
for
the
historic
guidelines
for
residential
districts,
those
types
of
things
that
if
the
commission
were
to
look
just
at
the
comprehensive
plan
and
make
a
decision
based
solely
on
its
failure
to
comply
with
a
comprehensive
plan
that
could
be
a
problematic
decision.
D
So
you'll
want
to
tie
it
to
more
than
one
criteria
in
any
circumstance
that
you're
able
there
is
no
actual
case
law
that
I
can
find.
I'm
not
going
to
say
there
isn't
any
that
exists
out
there
in
the
state
of
idaho,
but
it's
they're,
not
any
idaho
supreme
court
cases
that
talk
about
the
authority
of
the
design
guidelines
for
residential
historic
districts.
D
D
It's
to
be
used
to
encourage
you
know
appropriate
historic
development
and,
as
it
states
in
this
quote,
a
basis
for
making
informed
and
consistent
decisions
by
this
historic
preservation.
Commission.
D
So
again,
if
you're
denying
an
application
or
a
cfa,
because
it
doesn't
fails
to
meet
some
criteria,
the
more
criteria
you
can
tie
it
to
the
more
solid
and
secure
your
decision
will
be
and
again
where
the
reference
is
to
boise
city
code,
title
11,
that
development
code.
D
That
is
where
several
of
our
procedures
that
we'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
do
kind
of
tie
over
some
of
these
more
broadly
local
land
use
laws
that
really
are
more
applicable
to
planning
and
zoning
commission
things
like
that,
but
tie
them
over
and
sort
of
overlay.
Some
of
those
onto
the
historic
preservation
commission.
D
So,
in
terms
of
when
you
are
considering
a
a
particular
certificate
of
appropriateness,
as
you
know
there
like,
I
said
there
are
several
different
criteria
that
you
look
at
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
meets
those
those
decision
guidelines.
D
In
terms
of
actual
decisions,
now
that
you
kind
of
have
a
broad
overview
of
where
the
scope
and
authority
comes
from
we're
going
to
look
a
little
bit
more
deeply
into
the
actual
decisions
and
might
get
a
little,
I
might
repeat
myself
a
couple
times
just
to
emphasize
a
couple
of
points
that
I
would
I'd
like
to
make
in
regards
to
the
decisions.
D
D
This
really
ties
back
to
the
requirement
that
we
provide
a
reasoned
statement
in
support
of
the
decision
and
where
you're
looking
at
this
particular
quote.
This
does
come
from
lupa.
So
this
is
not
the
statute
that
gives
authority
for
historic
preservation
or
the
establishment
of
the
commission,
but
where
it
is
tied
together
in
our
own
code
and
really
the
reason
statement
is
it
provides
the
basis
for
what
criteria
were
relied
upon.
D
The
relevant
facts
that
weigh
in
favor
or
against
that
the
rationale
of
the
commission
in
terms
of
reaching
its
decision,
its
decisions
and
where
it
ties
back
to
that
authority
that
we
just
outlined
in
the
previous
slides.
That
is
really
this
reason.
Statement
really
is
what
should
drive
deliberations
so,
instead
of
keeping
it
kind
of
ephemeral
or
sort
of
heady
of
really
driving
it
down
into
things
that
are
pulled
from
the
record
by
our
development
code,
this
is
in
110303.
D
A
reason
statement
has
to
have
these
things.
It
has
to
have
applicable
criteria,
and
standards
has
to
have
the
relevant
facts
that
are
relied
upon
and
again
the
rationale
for
the
decision
based
on
our
boise
city
comp
plan,
the
applicable
ordinances,
factual
information
that
is
in
the
record
staff,
does
a
lot
of
this
work
for
you.
D
So
all
of
the
relevant
information
or
really
the
information
that
starts
driving
the
record
and
driving
the
public
hearing
comes
from
ted
or
his
staff's
staff
report,
in
introducing
any
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
in
those
conditions
or
of
approval
or
the
recommendation
from
staff.
That
staff
report
is
your
reasoned
statement.
If
it
fits
your
decision,
so
if
you
staff
recommends
approval
and
the
commission
also
opts
for
approval,
then
a
motion
by
any
one
of
the
commissioners
could
be.
D
I
move
that
we
deny
c
of
a
blah
blah
for
the
reasons
in
the
staff
report
and
you
don't
really
have
to
go
any
further
than
that.
It's
where
your
decision
strays
away
from
what
the
staff
report
or
staff
recommendation
is
that
really
the
commissioner
who's
making
that
motion
needs
to
sort
of
start
from
scratch
and
be
able
to
really
nitpick,
not
nitpick.
D
When
you're
making
a
reason
statement
in
support
of
a
decision
or
a
or
a
particular
motion,
there's
there's
no
magic
words.
You
don't
have
to
state.
My
reason
statement
is,
and
you
don't
have
to
necessarily
outline
all
of
the
applicable
criteria
or
every
single
fact
in
the
record
that
could
possibly
be
in
support.
D
If
there's
any
challenge
to
that
decision
as
to
what
the
reasons
were
in
the
things
that
they
either
would
need
to
change
or
modify
or
things
of
that
nature-
and
this
is
where
brevity
is
great-
and
sometimes
we
as
lawyers
are
far
too
verbose,
but
that
brevity
is
not
always
a
virtue
because
simply
having
drawing
a
conclusion
is
not
adequate.
D
So
being
able
to
say
this
certificate
of
appropriateness
or,
let's,
let's
we'll
just
take
an
example
of
you-
know,
house,
there's
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
demolition
of
an
existing
non-contributing
one-story
house,
and
they
want
to
put
in
a
one
and
a
half
story.
It
would
not
be
sufficient
to
say
we
deny
this
certificate
of
appropriateness
because
it
doesn't
meet
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
You
would
need
to
be
able
to
say
this.
D
One
and
a
half
story
would
not
be
denying
this
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
this
one
and
a
half
story,
because
its
height
is
too
tall
for
the
neighborhood.
No
other
building
is
you
know
within
10
feet
of
the
proposed
height
or
you'd
need
to
be
able
to
state
we're
denying
this,
because
the
way
that
the
porch
is
designed
is
too
big
for
this
particular
neighborhood
and
no
other
building
on
this
or
no
other
structure
on
the
street
has
a
covered
patio.
D
D
So
again,
this
is
just
sort
of
the
legal
pointer
to
avoid
conclusory
statements.
Use
your
deliberations
to
mention
those
specific
facts
that
you're
relying
on
and
tie
them
back
to
the
you
know
particular
aspect
of
this
project
that
you
like,
or
you
don't
like.
D
Additionally,
you
want
to
target
your
motions
to
specific
applications,
and
this
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
when
we're
talking
about
the
actual
legal
legal
procedure
and
due
process
requirements,
but
this
has
been
brought
up
in
the
historic
preservation
commission
previously,
and
this
is
that
you
act
in
a
quiet,
what's
called
the
quasi-judicial
capacity
when
you're
deciding
a
particular
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
that's
as
opposed
to
legislative
action,
so
legislative
action
is
kind
of
broadly
going
to
apply
to
lots.
D
A
particular
group
of
people
or
a
particular
status
of
people
quasi-judicial
is
where
you're
deciding
a
particular
application.
That
is
only
applicable
to
this
one
particular
circumstance,
and
so,
where
you
are
deciding
certificate
of
appropriateness,
whether
it
should
be
approved
or
denied
you
are
acting
in
a
quasi-judicial
and
that
a
capacity-
and
that
is
specific
to
this
particular
motion
in
this
particular
application.
D
So
you
have
to
address
each
criteria
separately
and
you
have
to
do
it
in
every
single
application.
So,
even
if
you're
denying
a
particular
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
same
reasons,
you
just
denied
the
last
three,
you
still
need
to
tie
it
back
to
the
specific
facts
on
that
particular
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
not
simply
tie
it
to
well.
We
did
it
on
the
last
one,
so
we're
going
to
do
it
here
too.
D
Also.
I
wanted
to
make
a
point
about
substitute
motions,
and
this
is
in
regards
to
conditions
of
approval
in
the
staff
report,
where
sometimes
the
commission
may
make
a
motion
that
approves
all
cond
or
you
know
we
move
to
approve,
with
all
conditions
that
have
are
put
forth
in
the
staff
report
oftentimes.
D
If
the
chair
finds
there's
no
objection
to
that
withdrawal,
then
the
commissioner,
or
that
same
commissioner
or
any
other
commissioner
for
that
matter,
can
make
a
substitute
motion,
but
there's
not
really
a
an
amendment
to
a
motion,
because
you
would
need
two
votes
either
way.
You'd
need
to
vote,
to,
amend
the
motion
and
then
vote
on
the
amended
motion.
So
a
cleaner
way
to
do.
D
That
is
to
either
ask
for
a
withdrawal
of
the
initial
motion
and
then
without
objection,
make
a
new
one
or
take
the
two
different
votes,
and
I
know
that's
a
procedure
that
often
gets
relatively
messy,
especially
after
three
or
four
commissioners
have
put
forward
their
their
deliberations
or
their
perspectives
on
a
particular
certificate
of
appropriateness.
D
Okay,
I
think
we're
gonna.
Oh
wait
I'll
try
to
get
through
a
couple,
more
quick,
slides
and
then
we'll
wrap
up,
so
that
ted
has
time
to
go
over
the
agenda
and
hopefully
we
can
still
give
you
guys
a
quick
break
so
after
a
decision
has
been
made.
Obviously,
there
are
potential
for
that
appeal
to
go
above
and
beyond
historic
preservation.
Commission,
the
best
way
to
preserve
or
to
prevent
an
appeal
really
is
to
just
build
your
solid
record.
D
There
are
some
bases,
so
our
our
code
defines
on
what
basis
there
can
be
an
appeal
from
a
historic
preservation.
Commission
decision
and
really
it
ties
back
to-
is
it
arbitrary?
Is
there
error?
Was
there
unlawful
procedure,
but
there
are
very
specific
criteria
that
somebody
who
is
appealing
a
decision
has
to
meet,
and
so
when
we're
talking
about,
if
something
was
arbitrary,
we'll
talk
about
procedure
at
another
time,
but
if
it
was
arbitrary
and
capricious
made
without
substantial
evidence
that
type
of
thing
it's
really
is.
D
Is
there
enough
support
in
the
record
to
come
to
the
conclusion
hpc
came
to
if
there
are
conflicting
opinions
or
if
there's
room
for
more
than
one
opinion?
As
long
as
the
historic
preservation
commission
can
support
its
decision
with
facts
in
the
record,
there
won't
be
finding
of
error.
There
really
is
some
deference
to
the
historic
preservation
commission
or
really
any
just
any
primary
decision-making
body,
because
we
consider
those
primary
decision-making
bodies
as
the
experts
in
their
particular
field
right.
So
you
all
are
made
up
of
architecture
or
architects
historians.
D
D
It's
not
very
often
that
we
have
decisions
from
the
historic
preservation.
Commission
go
all
the
way
up
to
a
district
court,
but
if
there
were
to
be
a
judicial
review
after
an
appeal
to
city
council,
it's
likely
that
the
historic
preservation
commission
deliberations
will
be
that
focus
because
of
the
deference
that
our
code
gives
to
the
the
initial
decision
making
body
and
really
that's
just
another
way
of
saying
that
our
city
council
has
a
limited
appellate
role
under
our
development
code.
D
And
so
I
really
wouldn't
worry
too
much
about
appeal.
Really,
it's
just
developing
your
own
record
and
making
sure
that
you
have
a
solid
decision
from
in
the
public
or
following
the
public
hearing
again.
This
is
just
kind
of
reviewing
a
couple
of
the
other
criteria
and
just
a
little
more
detail.
So
changing
the
lower
decision
requires
that
the
higher
decision
making
body
finds
error
with
the
historic
preservation
commission
and
that's
where
a
decision
may
be
reversed
or
modified.
D
A
couple
of
things
to
keep
in
mind
is-
or
I
guess,
I'll
get
to
those
in
a
moment.
But
the
appeal
criteria,
as
you
can
see
here,
is
that
does
it
violate
some
state
or
city
law?
Did
it
exceed
statutory
authority?
Was
there
unlawful
procedure?
Was
it
arbitrary
or
was
it
not
supported
by
substantial
evidence
in
the
record.
D
And
finally,
with
appeals
from
historic
preservation:
commission
one
caution-
I
guess
that
legal
would
like
to
provide
is
pay
attention
to
the
life
of
the
application
and
where
the
scope
and
duties
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
are.
So
one
thing
where
there
could
be
a
basis
for
error
is
that
the
decision
is
not
within
the
purview
of
historic
preservation.
Commission,
one
of
those
items
that
has
come
up
is
that
really
the
purview
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
is
forward-looking
of.
D
Is
this
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
what
this
particular
applicant
want
to
do
in
line
now
and
moving
forward
in
line
with
the
criteria
outlined
in
our
ordinances
and
under
those
statutes
where
it
that
can
provide
basis
for
appeal
or
for
a
reversal
is
where
it's
backward.
Looking
on,
what
did
that
applicant
do
in
previous
months?
D
D
That
type
of
thing,
also
keeping
in
mind
that
historic
preservation
commission
is
just
one
avenue
that
a
project
may
have
to
go
through
in
order
to
get
approval
and
actually
be
built
so
always
consider
or
or
feel
free
to
ask
staff
where
sort
of
the
next
step
in
that
life
cycle
of
the
application
is
going
to
be
so
there
are
other
decision
bodies
such
as
design
review
planning
and
zoning
and
city
council,
where
there
may
be
aspects
of
that
project
that
historic
preservation
may
want
to
consider
as
to
whether
or
not
it
meets
its
applicable
criteria,
but
maybe
outside
of
the
basis
for
a
sole
reason
for
that
particular
approval
or
denial.
D
That
would
be,
for
example,
a
variance
or
a
conditional
use
permit.
If
the
historic
preservation
commission
were
to
approve
setbacks
or
not
approve
setbacks,
it
would
be.
We
would
caution
against
making
that
by
saying.
Well,
they
don't
meet
the
setbacks
and
they
don't
have
a
variance,
because
it's
likely
that
that
would
be
the
following
another
step
in
the
process:
that's
outside
of
the
purview
of
historic
preservation.
Commission.
D
And
if
there
are
any
quick
questions
before
I
turn
it
over
to
ted,
I
think
that's
where
we'll
stop
for
today
and
then
we'll
pick
up
at
work
session
next
time.
A
And
if
you
guys
have
questions
for
our
legal
staff,
you
can
email
me
those
questions
and
I
can
kind
of
compile
them
and
send
them
to
mary
and
and
she
can
draft
a
response
and
mary
will
be
coming
back
next
month
for
part
two
of
this,
the
legal
show.
So
there
will
be
questions
you
can
ask
then
too
I'll
go
over
the
agenda
really
quick.
A
The
first
two
items
are
ratification
of
findings
for
applications
that
were
denied
by
the
commission.
So
these.
If
the
commission
is
okay
with
these,
then
these
can
go
on
the
consent
agenda.
F
For
the
findings
of
the
denial,
I
don't
think
it's
clear
from
what
was
said
last
meeting
and
what's
in
the
findings.
A
A
A
Okay,
so
item
number
three
is
proposed
for
consent
as
well.
A
E
E
E
B
A
A
A
After
that,
we
proceeded
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
signed
up
on
the
online
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually.
If
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star9
to
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony.
A
E
Thank
you,
ted.
Have
all
the
commission
members
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes
from
the
march
29th
2021
meeting?
Does
anyone
have
any
comments
or
changes
to
the
minutes
hearing
none?
I
will
now
take
a
motion
on
the
march
29th
2021
minutes.
E
B
E
Thank
you.
I
believe
we
have
three
possible
items
for
consent
this
evening,
beginning
with
item
number
two
dh21-0007
gerald
courtright
at
709
west
eastman
street.
E
Does
the
commission
have
any
questions
on
this
matter
and
these
are
findings
for
ratification
of
findings
for
denial?
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
follow
up
with
any
of
the
following
questions.
So,
with
that
item
number
two
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
and
the
next
item
we
have
is
item
number
three.
E
B
E
You're
here
perfect,
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval?
We
are
wonderful
ted.
Was
there
any
written
opposition
to
this
matter.
H
E
Thank
you.
Can
you
clarify
if
you
are
wishing
to
testify
against
this
matter,.
K
I
would
like
to
testify
that
I'm
in
support
of
it,
but
also
I
had
some
questions.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
appropriate
time
to
ask
questions.
E
K
L
Adas
carry
a
deed
restriction
that
requires
the
owners
to
live
in
one
or
the
other,
so
so
legally,
no,
they
would
not
be
able
to
rent
out
both
of
those
units.
E
Wonderful.
Thank
you,
mr
sheldon.
Moving
forward,
seeing
none
and
based
on
the
representation
of
the
applicant
and
lack
of
opposition
item.
E
Drh21-00090
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
we
have
up
for
consent
this
evening
is
item
number
four
drh21-001
amy
allgeier
1611
north
17th
street.
Does
the
commission
have
any
questions
on
this
matter?.
B
E
E
You
is
there
anyone
present
tonight
wishing
to
testify
against
this
matter.
E
M
E
Thank
you
we'll
now
start
with
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
This
is
item
dh21-00012,
patrick
garrity,
at
717
north
19th
street.
This
is
a
discussion
and
ratification
of
findings
for
denial
that
we
are
going
to
open
for
clarification
ted.
I
guess
I'll
turn
it
to
you
and
then
you
can.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
was
an
application
heard
last
month
that
was
denied
by
the
commission.
It
involved
a
demolition
of
an
existing
single-family
structure,
relocation
of
a
canal
to
accommodate
a
new
single-family
structure,
and
then
it
also
involved
an
appeal
of
a
retroactive
approval
for
10,
mature
trees
that
were
removed
from
the
property.
A
So
the
commission
deliberated
her
testimony
and
deliberated
and
decided
to
deny
the
application,
and
so
these
are
the
findings
for
that
denial
brought
back
before
you.
So
I
think
commissioner
brown
had
some
changes.
She
would
like
to
make.
E
Thank
you
ted,
commissioner
brown.
If
you
would
like
to
clarify
your
modifications.
F
Sure
so
the
first
one
is
number
two:
it
should
read.
The
commission
found
the
request
to
be
consistent,
sorry
request
not
to
be
consistent
with
the
guidelines
and
then
specifically
on
page
three
of
the
guidelines,
idaho
code,
67-4608,
and
then
it
goes
on
to
say
a
little
bit
later.
It
says:
boise
canal
on
the
property
was
historically
important
and
represented
a
contributing
component
of
the
property
instead
of
property.
It
should
be
district,
it's
contributing
to
the
overall
historic
district.
F
So
that's
why
I
want
that
clarification
and
then
finally,
the
last
section
on
number
two
is.
The
motion
was
also
put
into
question
the
non-contributing
status
of
the
property
and
suggested
that
the
owners
should
have
a
new
survey
completed
to
ensure
the
classification,
so
that
wasn't
included
in
our
our
motion
for
denial,
but
that
was
brought
up
by
the
public,
so
a
clarification
that
the
motion
was
put
into
question
by
the
public
and
then
on
number
three,
the
third
sentence.
F
It
says
that
again,
the
historic
integrity
of
the
property
is
the
historic
integrity
of
the
historic
district,
the
overall
district,
since
it's
a
non-contributing
property,
but
has
elements
that
contribute
to
the
overall
district
and
then
I
think,
there's
one
more
reference
to
the
property.
So
for
number
four,
the
commission
determined
that
the
location
of
the
boise
canal,
when
the
property
was
historically
important
and
represented
a
contributing
component
to
the
district.
Again,
it's
the
other
change.
E
Wonderful
and
legal,
we
need
a
motion
on
these
modifications.
Is
that
correct?
E
Wonderful?
Okay,
so
I
just
need
a
motion.
D
M
E
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second.
E
Wonderful
victoria,
would
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
A
E
You
teddy
we'll
now
move
to
item
number
five
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
This
is
drh21-00122
jeff
likes
at
2124,
north
harrison
boulevard
ted.
Can
we
please
have
the.
A
A
A
This
is
an
ariel
of
the
property
to
be
developed.
It
appears
from
the
aerial
I
mean.
It
looks
like
something
had
previously
existed
there
on
this
property,
but
as
I
went
back
and
looked
through
sanborn
maps
and
old
old
gis
renderings
of
the
property,
I
could
not
find
a
a
building
that
ever
existed
on
this
property.
A
So
here
you
have
again
harrison
boulevard
along
the
front
or
west
portion
of
the
property
and
then
dora
along
the
north
street
side,
and
then
the
residents
will
be
here
fronting
harrison
with
a
detached
garage
in
the
rear.
The
the
detached
garage
is
actually
proposed
to
take
access
from
doris
street
as
you'll
notice
and
and
read
in
the
staff
report.
The
there
are
a
couple
of
variances
that
the
applicant
is
going
to
need
to
apply
for
if
this
project
is
approved.
A
You
may
have
read
in
the
letter
of
explanation
the
the
applicant
is
proposing
access
from
the
street.
Apparently
there
is
a
power
pole
located
along
the
alley
section
that
effectively
or
makes
difficult
to
access
the
garage
from
the
alley.
A
A
The
property
owners
are
encouraged
to
work
with
idaho
power
to
to
mitigate
that
effect,
either
by
you
know,
by
moving
the
pole
or
doing
something
with
the
the
power
lines,
if
it's
the
power
lines
that
are
in
the
way
of
the
construction,
so
you'll
note
in
the
staff
report,
staff
did
recommend
that
access
to
this
garage
be
taken
from
the
alley
rather
than
from
the
street.
A
The
the
commission
has,
in
the
past,
approved
street
access
similar
to
this,
but
that
has
generally
been
when
traditional
street
access
has
occurred
at
that
location.
A
A
So
the
property
right
across
dora,
for
instance,
has
about
a
five
or
six
foot
set
back
from
the
street.
The
property
kitty
corner
across
harrison
boulevard
is
about
seven
feet.
These
are
just
rough
estimates
and
then
about
right
across
harrison
boulevard
that
one's
five
or
six
feet
as
well
and
the
applicant
is
similarly
wanting
to
look
at
a
five
foot
step
back
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
there.
You
know,
I
suppose
a
case
can
be
made
to
to
approve
those
setbacks
based
on
the
historic
context
of
the
neighborhood.
A
A
It
is
a
small,
substandard
corner
lot
and
sometimes
that
can
be
used
as
a
special
circumstance
as
well,
but
but
just
keep
in
mind
that
that
process
has
to
be
approved
through
that
that
variance
for
them
to
get
this.
These
setbacks.
A
A
A
As
you
can
see,
it
does
show
some
design
interest.
It
does
break
up
the
material
with
using
vertical
or
horizontal
board
and
stucco,
and
it
also
includes
the
brick
chimney
and
then
the
varied
roof
lines
there.
So
there
is
some
break
up
of
the
massing
on
that
street
side
and
as
well
as
some
incorporated
design
interest
as
well.
A
A
A
E
Thank
you,
ted.
Are
there
any
questions
for
ted?
G
Yeah
hi
eric
anderson,
the
architecture
jeff
likes,
is
not
present,
so
I'll
be
representing
tonight.
G
Okay,
so
yeah
first
we'll
start
off
with
this
a
lot.
You
know
beyond
harrison
doors,
pretty
prominent
lot,
one
of
the
last
or,
if
not
the
only
piece
of
bear
land
left
on
harrison.
You
know
our
goal
is
to
provide
a
home
that
blends
with.
What's
currently
there
with
the
massing,
the
look,
the
certain
features
we
have
on
harrison,
the
patio,
the
neighborhood
feel
the
width,
the
height.
You
know
breaking
up
the
mass
of
the
home
between
single
story
and
two
story
on
the
house.
G
G
If
we
don't
go
through
the
variance
process,
I
mean
you
really
end
up
with
a
26
foot
wide
home
on
harrison
versus
a
36
foot
wide
home,
which
I
think
now
you,
the
home
becomes
an
infill
home,
which
I
don't
think
we
want
to
see
as
a
community
and
especially
in
the
north
end.
I
don't
think
you
want
to
see
an
info
home,
a
narrow,
skinny
home
on
harrison
and
dora
on
a
prominent
corner.
G
There's
59
corner
homes
along
harrison,
15
cross
streets
and
only
five
of
those
homes
take
access
from
the
alley
so
being
sensitive
to
that
we're
proposing
to
move
the
garage
over
10
feet
from
the
alley
versus
being
in
a
zero
watt
line,
and
so
you
have
a
good
landscape
buffer
from
the
alley.
Some
good
distance
allowing
us
to
have
a
driveway,
that's
actually
usable,
taking
access
off
the
alley
just
becomes
very
difficult
with
the
the
previous
fencing
and
garage
that
was
built
and
then
the
with
the
pole,
power,
pole
and
stuff
there.
G
So
going
down
that
path,
I
think
we
have
fairly
good
precedence
of
other
homes
in
the
area,
like
I
say,
with
the
way
they're
taking
access
and
a
lot
of
those
garages
you'll
see
are
right
up
against
the
alley,
not
set
ten
foot
back
so,
like
I
say,
we're
trying
to
be
sensitive
that
and
provide
a
nice
buffer.
Additionally,
now
we
move
over
to
the
house
and
we're
talking
about
five
foot
versus
a
15
foot
setback.
G
About
all
the
homes
along
harrison
are
five
feet
off
the
property
line
on
a
setback,
not
15..
So
for
the
city
code
and
my
letter
of.
I
G
Letter
of
intent,
we
we
cite
a
section
where
it
is.
We
are
trying.
You
know
it
is
required
or
requested
that
we
try
to
do
what's
been
done
around
the
neighborhood
and
blend
in
and
and
stay
with
precedence.
So
a
lot
of
the
homes
are
19
to
22
feet
off
the
pavement
edge
of
payment
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
so
now.
Moving
over
to
the
the
front
elevation
you'll
see
we
have
the
tall
two-story
portion
with
the
nice
patio.
G
Then
we
drop
down
the
single
story
over
to
the
door
side.
So
when
you're
coming
off
the
door
side
that
five
foot
setback
isn't
you
know
you're
not
looking
at
a
very
large
two
story
right
in
your
face,
I
mean
you've
got
10
15
feet
before
you
go
to
a
full
two
two-story,
so
you
break
that
up
you're,
not
looking
at
large
mass
as
you
come
down
dora.
G
So
those
are
the
two
items
we're
we're
trying
to
get
to
support
on
as
we
move
forward
this
project
and
with
that
being
said,
it's
your
stand
for
any
questions.
Additionally,
actually
I
need
to
come
back
into
the
two-story
portion
of
the
home.
We
did
go
a
little
bit
bigger.
I
know
it's
fifty
percent
of
the
first
floor,
but
we
cannot
go
down.
G
We
cannot
do
a
basement
at
this
place
because
the
creek
that
just
would
require
a
lot
of
work
in
relocating
that
creek
and
retiling,
so
we're
proposing
we
just
we
went
a
little
bit
bigger
not
by
much
but
like
30
feet,
bigger
than
50.
I
mean
it's
not
much
bigger,
so
anyways
I'd
love
to
answer
any
questions
I
can
and
let's
hopefully
we
can
get
to.
G
E
Any
questions
for
ted
or
mr
anderson,
okay,
thank
you.
So
much
is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to.
E
N
Hello
good
evening,
commission,
this
is
kate
henwood
from
the
northam
neighborhood
association.
I
live
at
1116
north
12th
street.
We
do
support
the
staff
recommendation
for
approval,
but
specifically
want
to
emphasize
the
condition
that
the
garage
access
be
from
the
alley
and
not
supporting
a
variance
on
the
side
setback.
N
E
It
doesn't
seem
we
have
anyone.
So,
mr
anderson,
if
you
would
like
you,
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
or
you
can
yield
your
time.
G
Okay,
am
I
back
on
yes,
you
know,
I've
talked
to
the
owner,
and-
and
I
we
don't
want-
I
mean
we
if
we
have
to
we'd,
have
to
take
access
off
the
alley
on
the
garage,
and
we
understand
that
we
can
work
with
that.
I
really
would
like
the
commission
to
consider
the
the
setback
off
dora,
the
5
foot
versus
15,
and
consider
support
on
the
variants
moving
forward.
G
I
know
we
have
to
go
through
a
variance
process
but,
like
I
say
no
other
homes
in
that
whole
area
are
15
feet
off
the
corner
or
off
the
side,
yard
or
side
street
there
about
every
home
around
that
long
harrison
is
basically
at
a
five
to
seven
foot
setback
roughly,
so
we
would
like
to
stay
consistent
and
it
is
part
of
the
code
where
the
code
section,
like
I
say
in
my
letter,
ask
that
we
stay
consistent
with
the
surrounding
properties.
G
So
we
would
sure
like
to
get
support
on
that
one
issue
and,
like
I
say
we,
we
really
don't
want
to
have
a
tall,
skinny
infill
looking
home
on
that
corner
and
I
don't
think
the
neighborhood
would
either
so.
If
we
can
work
with
work
through
that,
that
would
be
great
and
if
we
can
get
support,
we'd
sure
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
F
I'd
like
to
open
up
for
discussion
sure,
commissioner
brown,
I
think
the
the
two
conditions
that
ted
has
included
condition
e
in
condition
j.
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
for
them
to
have
access
to
the
garage
off
the
alley.
I
think
street
access
is
fine.
The
historic
district
period
of
significance
has
goes
up
to
the
40s
people.
Had
cars
people
had
driveways,
so
I
don't
think
that's
something
we
should
hold
them
to,
that.
F
It
can
be
off
the
street
and
doesn't
have
to
be
off
the
alley
and
then
the
setback,
I
think
allowing
them
to
have
their
setback
that
they
want,
will
give
us
a
better
design
for
this
home.
I
agree
with
them.
I
don't
want
a
tall
skinny
house
on
harrison
boulevard.
So
those
are
my.
E
My
thoughts,
thank
you,
commissioner
brown.
Do
any
other
commissioners
want
to
share
their
thoughts
or
emotion.
M
This,
madam
chair,
I
I
would
just
like
to
add
that
I
agree
with
the
setback
I
feel
like.
The
house
will
look
better
if
it
is
a
little
bit
wider
and
it
does
seem
to
align
with
other
the
design
of
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
would
you
know
they
do
still
have
to
go
through
that
process.
But
I
would
support
that
I
would.
M
H
Madam
chair,
I'm
just
gonna
echo
what
commissioner
weaver
said
where
I'm
I'm
fine
with
the
width
of
the
house
but
and
and
that
setback
but
the
I
would
prefer
the
alley.
Access
to
the
garage,
wonderful.
E
With
that,
I
will
go
ahead
and
entertain
a
motion.
If
anyone
would
like
to
attempt.
F
One
I
approve
to
approve
dhr
21-0
zero,
one
two,
two
with
the
staff
condition
approval
except
to
strike
condition,
j.
E
Thank
you.
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll.
B
A
L
A
G,
so
that
it
it
could
it's
it's
not
saying
they're
not
allowed
to
have
that
setback.
It's
just
saying
that
that
they
need
to
meet
the
setback
or
get
a
variance.
So
I
think
we're
okay
with
that.
E
Saying
he's
saying
that
the
variants
will
have
to
be
approved
by
another
determining
body,
so
we're
just
saying
that
we're
okay
with
the
application,
as
is
okay,
yeah,.
F
Okay,
I
withdraw
my
previous
motion.
The
I
moved
to
approve
drh21-00122
with
the
staff,
recommendations
and
conditions
of
approval.
E
You,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
this
evening,
is
item
number
six
drh21-00126
michael
moralio,
at
2629,
west
ellis
street
ted.
Can
we
please
have
the.
E
A
A
This
is
a
this
is
a
aerial
of
the
lot,
as
you
can
see,
it
fronts
ellis
and
then
backs
up
to
the
catholic
church
and
school
parking
lot
and
playground,
and,
as
you
can
see
from
this
ariel
as
well
that
right
now
access
there
is
an
access
point
off
of
ellis
avenue
that
cuts
along
the
side
of
this
house
to
the
rear.
A
The
alley
back
here
this
way
is
technically
to
the
south
of
the
property
and
then
ellis
avenue
up
front
to
the
north
on
their
proposed
site
plan.
They
proposed
to
keep
that
alias
or
sorry
to
keep
the
street
access
from
ellis
street,
so
it
would
continue
to
access
from
the
street
and
through
the
rear,
to
the
new
garage.
A
Five
feet
is
required,
so
if
the,
if
the
commission
approves
the
design
this
way,
they
would
again
be
required
to
go
through
the
variance
process
and
get
a
variance
for
that.
I
will
say,
as
I
said
in
the
report.
A
It's
unclear
what
a
hardship
would
be
in
this
case.
Maybe
the
applicant
can
further
explain,
but
they
will
have
to
come
up
with
a
hardship
for
that
variance,
otherwise,
move
the
garage
two
feet
to
the
east:
to
get
the
five
feet
as
designed
as
proposed,
the
rear
setback,
I
don't
think
would
be
in
compliance
either.
A
A
If
the
garage
were
designed
to
be
loaded
from
the
alley
this,
this
setback
might
be
okay.
If
it
were
loaded
from
the
alley,
they
would
just
need
to
meet
the
22
feet
of
backup
space,
which
includes
the
alley,
but,
as
is
as
designed,
they
only
have
three
on
this
side.
They
need
five,
and
this
deck
appears
to
extend
more
than
halfway
into
that
rear.
15-Foot
setback.
A
A
So
again,
code
and
guideline
concerns
on
this
one
with
the
construction
of
the
new
garage.
You
know,
staff
does
have
a
condition
of
approval
on
this,
one
that
the
the
access
to
occur
from
the
alley
and
that
the
street
access
be
closed
and
improved
with
curb
gutter
and
detached
sidewalk.
A
Then
again,
the
interior
setback
is
only
three
feet
needs
to
be
five
and
the
rear
setback
needs
to
be
15,
including
that
balcony.
A
M
I
have
a
question:
question
ted
is
the
I.
I
know
that
you
mentioned
that
to
close
that
off,
they
need
to
provide
new,
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk,
I'm
assuming
there's
no
requirements
that
they
actually
would
need
to
fill
in
the
yard
to
extend
it
all
the
way
across
that
they
could
leave
the
driveway
there
once
it's
on
their
property
and
that's
one
question,
and
my
other
question
is:
is
this
a
is
this
recommendation?
M
Is
it
a
code
thing
or
is
it
just
because
typically
in
the
neighborhoods,
the
outlet,
you
know
the
access
is
from
the
alley,
and
this
is
unusual,
but
I'm
curious
if
it's
if
we
know
if
it's
been
like
this
for
a
very,
very
long
time
or
if
it's
and
that
potentially
originally
it
was
from
the
back
or
or
do
you
know
it
all,
I
didn't
see
any
historic
maps,
or
maybe
I
missed
them
in
the
report.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners.
As
for
the
improvements
that
we
would
require
on
the
front,
what
we
would
require,
what
this
approval
would
require
would
be
closing
off
that
access
and
improving
it
consistent
with
the
adjacent
adjacent
properties,
so
installing
curb
gutter
and
then
the
separated
sidewalk
with
the
landscaping
along
that
front
as
well.
A
So
as
far
as
the
I
think
you
you
were
talking
about
the
driveway,
then
the
remainder
of
the
driveway.
Could
that
remain?
I
suppose
it
could
that
wasn't
addressed.
A
You
know,
through
our
condition,
so
technically
they
could
keep
that
there.
A
However,
that
being
said,
if
they
were
to
keep
that
there,
it
wouldn't
be
legal
parking
it
wouldn't
you
know
a
park
parking
has
to
have
a
20-foot
setback
from
the
front
street
property
line,
so
if
they
were
to
keep
that
paved
that
driveway
paved
to
use
for
parking,
it's
technically
not
legal
parking
by
city
code,
and
I
can't
answer
the
question
of
how
long
that
driveway
has
been
there.
A
I
should
have
probably
looked
that
up,
but
I
didn't
I
didn't
look
up
or
look
at
maybe
some
sanborn
maps
or
anything
like
that
to
see
how
long
that's
bad
back
there.
So
I'm
not
sure
it
is
a
code
thing
our
code
does
is
is
pretty
clear
that
when
an
alley
is
available,
that
access
should
occur
off
that
alley
and
it
is
more
more
traditional
in
these
older
neighborhoods
for
access
to
occur
off
of
the
alley
as
well.
E
Okay,
thank
you
is
the
applicant
present.
O
O
Okay
good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
I
thank
you
for
inviting
me
here
today.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
any
questions
you
may
have
and
make
sure
I
address
those,
but
first
I'd
like
to
provide
a
summary
of
the
project
as
well
as
address
two
conditions
of
approval
recommended
in
the
staff
report.
O
O
The
goals
of
the
design
are
to
provide
a
non-leaning,
safe
garage
for
vehicle
parking
workshop
space,
as
well
as
store,
camping
gear,
family
bikes,
etc,
provide
a
place
for
family
and
guests
to
stay
and
also
additional
office.
Space
preserve
the
historic
look
to
match
to
the
house
and
use
congruent
materials
to
meet
this
goal
and
then
you'll
make
sure
that
our
garage
adu
does
not
exceed
the
roof
height
of
our
home
and
also
as
part
of
this
project.
We
propose
solar
panels
to
generate
sufficient
electricity
power
to
home
garage
jdu
and
charging
electric
vehicle.
O
There
were
two
conditions
of
the
approval
brought
up
in
the
staff
report.
That
ted
discussed
that
I'd
like
to
now
address
in
doing
so,
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear.
The
historic
preservation
of
planning
and
planning
and
zoning
have
been
extremely
helpful
to
me
in
this
application
process,
so
I'm
not
questioning
the
quality
of
the
work,
but
I
I
believe
these
two
items
require
a
little
further
discussion
by
the
commission
and
and
the
staff
was
probably
unaware
of
these
things
due
to
kind
of
gis.
O
Public
right-of-way
analysis
that
might
be
done
so
the
condition
of
a
condition
number
one
or
condition
a
regarding
windows,
the
conditioned
red
window
material
shall
be
wood,
metal,
clad,
wood
or
fiberglass
can
be
recessed
from
the
exterior
wall.
Paint
vinyl
windows.
Vinyl
windows
are
not
allowed
in
the
historic
district.
O
So
while
I
understand
this
condition
very
clearly,
I
don't
know
with
with
over
half
of
my
home
having
vinyl
windows
and
the
majority
of
the
rest
of
the
windows
are
either
aluminum
or
metal.
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
this
condition
you
know
might
pertain
to
my
home,
so
this
time
you
know,
I
have
not
selected
or
priced
any
windows
used
for
construction.
But,
however,
I
request
the
commission
consider
listing
this
condition
or
modifying
it
for
the
windows
that
are
not
visible
in
the
public.
O
Right
of
way,
just
in
case
final
windows
do
become
a
viable
option,
so
that's
condition
number
one
condition
number
the.
O
That
I'd
like
to
discuss
is
a
condition
of
approval
f
that
states
vehicle
axis
shall
be
taken
from
the
alley.
The
curb
cutoff
of
ls
street
shall
be
closed
in
the
area
improved
with
curb
governor
separated,
sidewalk
and
landscaping.
A
mass
match
existing
along
the
street
frontage.
Any
new
tree
shall
be
approved
from
the
city's
forestry
division,
so
this
condition
of
approval
surprised
me
to
say
the
least.
I
heard
a
a
few
minutes
ago.
O
O
Since
then,
I
purchased
my
home
in
a
large
part
due
to
the
front
loading
garage,
and
I
have
a
17
foot,
long
driveway,
which
affords
me
off
street
parking,
which
is
not
a
given
in
the
north
end
by
any
means,
and
so
you
know
never
in
a
million
years
would
I
have
even
purchased
the
home
in
2012
if
it
did
not
have
you
know
kind
of
this
added
benefit
and
which
my
family
finds
a
big
safety
benefit,
because
we
also
have,
as
you
can
see
in
the
site,
plan
a
side
entry
right
off
the
driveway
that
goes
directly
into
our
home,
so
the
condition
to
abandon
that
would
be
very
harmful
in
that
sense.
O
Also,
after
seeing
the
drafted
staff
report,
you
know
my
block
alone.
There
are
three
front
loading
garages,
two
directly
across
from
my
driveway,
so
directly
across
the
street,
from
my
driveway,
as
shown
in
the
site
plan,
there
are
two
front
loading
garages.
There
are
four.
O
Driveways
and
a
garage
you
know,
I
very
much
appreciate
that
that
we
do
have
front
loading
garages
and
driveways
on
my
streets,
because
parking
is
a
can
be
a
big
issue
because
we're
of
our
proximity
to
saint
mary's
catholic
school.
M
O
The
church,
and
so,
as
you
can
imagine
when
there's
church
or
events
going
on
at
the
school
street
parking,
is
at
a
premium,
so
my
driveway
can
fit
three
vehicles.
We
only
have
two
but
three
vehicles
off
the
street,
so
it's
a
big
asset
to
our
property.
O
O
Additionally,
just
four
houses
away,
we're
at
kind
of
the
corner
there
of
where
ellis
meets,
limp.
There's
five
front
loading
garages
in
a
row,
basically
between
2601
and
2718
limb
street.
So
this
is
just
right
down
the
block.
So
this
to
me,
the
you
know,
to
my
understanding
front
loading
garages
are
part
of
the
historic
fabric
of
the
north
end.
O
O
I
O
Access
off
the
street
for
his
garage,
adu
and
and
mine
might
be
a
little
bit
different
because
my
I,
as
I
don't
know
how
long
his
was,
but
with
zach's
the
rh
19-0-2-1-1,
he
was
able
to
maintain
his
front
load
driveway
access,
his
curb
code
out
and
his
driveway
off
of
lymph
into
his
garage.
O
So
basically,
what
I
would
like
to
ask
the
commission
is:
why
would
I
be
treated
any
differently?
Why
would
I
be
forced
to
abandon
my
front
loading
garage
off
ellis
when
his
application
was
recently
approved?
Thus,
I
would
like
to
request
the
commission
consider
removing
this
condition
of
approval
f
from
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
so
with.
B
O
N
Hi
good
evening
again,
kate,
henwood,
north
12th
street.
I
was
not
planning
to
testify,
but
I
we
would
like
to
support
the
applicant's
request
to
maintain
the
the
front
loading
driveway
and
that's
our
only
comment
on
this
one.
Thank
you
so
much
miss
henwood.
P
P
Sorry,
2615
west
lamp,
l
e
m
p
street.
Thank
you.
You
have
three
minutes.
Thank
you.
The
back
of
the
house
where
I
live
faces
my
mike
and
kyla's
house,
and
they
have
just
been
great
neighbors.
I
love
having
them
as
part
of
the
neighborhood
they're.
Conscientious,
they
keep
the
front
of
the
house.
Looking
beautiful
all
year
long
and
I've
been
it's
such
a
joy
to
watch
their
kids
grow
up.
P
I
really
in
support
of
what
they're
trying
to
do
to
help
their
family
grow,
and
so
they
can
stay
in
the
neighborhood.
I
would
be
really
sad
if
they
couldn't
manage
to
get
this
done
and
then
have
to
move
so
I'm
just
100
in
support
of
them,
and
you
know
anything
else.
I
can
any
other
questions.
I
can
answer
I'm
happy
to
do
so.
Q
Hi,
my
name
is
geraldine
hack,
I'm
at
2615
west
limp
street,
I'm
a
neighbor
of
mike's,
my
garage
loads
from
the
street,
I'm
one
of
them
right
across
from
him
he's
been
an
incredible
neighbor.
I
also
was
the
designer
for
2626
ellis
street,
which
was
built
in
1940.
Q
Q
So
when
this
came
up,
he
came
to
me
and
talked
to
me
because
I've
been
a
designer
on
six
houses
within
one
block
of
here
and
the
front
of
my
I'm
three
houses
or
right
across
from
him,
but
on
limp
street
again
there
is
five
houses
that
have
street
loading
garages,
one
of
which
was
built
in
1951
2610,
because
I
almost
bought
that
one
before
buying
the
one
I'm
in
and
that
garage
was
built
in
1951,
and
I
know
that
because
I
met
the
neighbor
who
knew
also,
they
won
across
the
street
from
me,
which
is
2620.
Q
Their
garage
was
built
22
years
after
their
home
and
theirs
is
a
street
loading
garage.
My
home
was
built
in
1958
and
the
garage
was
built
with
it
and
is
street
loading.
I
know
zach.
I
didn't
I
knew
about
his
adu
and
I
didn't
mind
it
going
in.
Q
In
fact,
right
now
we
have
speed
bumps
on
my
street
lamp
and
mike
street
on
ellis,
because
it's
too
speedy
and
one
of
the
things
we
like
about
our
neighborhood
is
walking
and
it
slows
traffic
down
and
as
far
as
mike
goes,
I
was
a
designer
on
on
the
inside
of
his
home
too,
and
he
does
have
over
50
percent
of
his
windows
are
vinyl
and
the
rest
are
aluminum
and
some
metal.
Q
As
far
as
someone
testified
earlier,
that
more
traditional
homes
are
entered
from
the
alley,
but
clearly
lemp
and
ellis
are
not
the
case
for
that,
because
the
majority
of
houses,
or
at
least
half
accounted,
are
street
loading,
not
alley
loading
garages,
and
so
it
it's
not
unusual
to
have
a
street
loading
garage,
and
I
actually
encourage
mike
to
drive
down
ellis
and
count
how
many
there
were
and
that's
when
he
was
surprised
at
how
many
there
were
so
with
that
he's.
Q
A
great
neighbor
came
to
me
asked
me
what
I
thought
about
his
build.
I
told
him
he
needed
to
match
to
make
sure
that
it
looked
appealing
from
the
street
and
I
encouraged
him
to
to
you
know,
work
with
an
architect,
etc.
So
he's
done
a
really
good
job
and
he's
very
conscientious
of
all
of
our
neighbors.
So.
R
Hi,
my
name
is
kara
katz
and
I
live
at
26
2627
west
ellis.
I
am
mike's
neighbor
to
the
east
and
I
agree
with
everything
everyone
else
said
he's
a
wonderful
neighbor
and
I
do
think
street
access
is
important
in
a
number
of
ways,
one
of
them
being
that
there
are
children
in
the
alley,
st
mary's,
and
that
alleyway
is
already
really
congested
and
I
think
the
fewer
people
accessing
homes
from
the
alley
the
better.
R
R
So
my
only
concern
is
that
the
windows
may
be
designed
being
at
a
higher
elevations
so
that
you
know
like
those
higher
narrow
windows.
Potentially
that
don't
look
into
my
yard.
I
don't
know
if
the
line
of
sight
is
into
my
yard,
but
that
just
concerns
me
feeling
like
I
might
have
no
privacy,
but
otherwise.
I
think
that
it
looks
like
a
great
plan
and
I'm
in
support
of
this
project.
E
It
doesn't
appear
like
we
have
anyone
else
wishing
to
testify
this
evening.
So
if
the
applicant
would
like
you
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
O
Yeah,
no,
I
just
want
to
you
know,
thank
everybody.
The
commission,
my
neighbors
everybody
just
kind
of
supported
me
on
this
project
and
you
know
just
just
like
I
brought
up
earlier.
You
know
it.
O
Looking
to
stay
in
the
home,
the
neighborhood
everything
I
have
great
neighbors,
as
you
guys
obviously
heard,
and
so
just
ask
the
commission
just
to
kind
of
consider,
reconsider
those
two
conditions
of
approval.
Along
with
my
application.
E
Okay,
with
that,
I
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
we'll
consider
emotion
or
discussion.
F
You
can
say
we
can
open
up
the
discussion
sure
so,
just
like
the
other
one,
I
said
this
area
is
a
transition
from
homes
that
were
built
in
the
20s
and
30s
to
the
40s.
People
had
cars.
That
was
a
change
that
was
happening,
so
people
started
having
garages
that
came
off
the
street.
F
So
I
think
in
this
case
we
should
let
them
keep
their
their
driveway
access.
I
think
it's
appropriate.
I
think
you're
changing
the
if
you
start
doing
that,
you'll
you'll
change,
all
of
them,
because
it'll
be
a
continuous
anybody,
any
anytime.
Anybody
has
a
project
that
will
be
closing
off
that
street
access,
which
closes
a
portion
of
boise's
history
for
how
we
see
this
transition
from
garages
that
access
the
alley
from
garages
that
access
the
street.
E
Thank
you,
commissioner
brown.
I'd
like
to
just
personally
echo.
I
don't
see
a
single
problem
with
maintaining
the
front
loading
driveway.
In
fact,
I
agree
and
think
it
would
be
problematic
if
we
decided
to
take
that
out
and
as
ted
mentioned,
it
is
just
simply
code,
but
this
is
why
we
are
here
as
a
commission
to
review
things
on
an
individual
case-by-case
basis.
So
if
there
aren't
any
additional
comments,
I
would
love
to
entertain
a
motion.
F
H21-00126
and
then
strike
the
conditional
of
approval,
number
or
letter
g
and
then
approve
all
the
other
conditions.
E
Just
to
clarify
was
the
condition
I
believe
it
was.
E
Okay,
perfect,
so
just
to
clarify
condition,
f,
condition,
f,
strike,
condition.
F!
Wonderful!
Thank
you!
Is
there
a
second.
E
All
in
favor
motion
carries
thank
you
so
much
and
our
final
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
drh2.
A
A
And
these
are
some
documents
that
the
applicant
provided
just
showing
kind
of
a
top
view
of
the
house,
so
the
solar
panels
will
be
or
not
solar
panels.
That's
it's.
An
actual
solar
roof
will
be
installed
on
the
entirety
of
the
of
the
house.
Some
from
what
I
understand
some
of
the
panels
will,
I
guess,
be
inert.
They
aren't,
you
know
effectively
located
to
to
receive
solar
and
so
and
then
some
will
be
active,
but
they
will
all
look
the
same.
It
will
be
a
uniform
roof.
A
A
House-
and
this
kind
of
gives
you
a
close-up
of
what
these,
what
this,
how
this
roof
comes
together
and
what
it
looks
like.
A
So
it
sort
of
mimics
in
to
an
extent
and
the
applicant
will
explain
in
more
detail,
I'm
sure
it
sort
of
tries
to
mimic
a
standard
asphalt,
tile
roof
as
far
as
the
way
it
looks,
but
it's
constructed
a
little
bit
differently,
obviously,
and
and
up
close
appears
a
little
bit
differently.
A
So
in
the
guidelines
it
states
that
materials
should
be
used
which
are
similar
to
materials
found
on
roofs
in
the
district
and
and
then
there
is
some
other
language
there
isn't
really
much.
A
There
really
isn't
anything
in
the
historic
district
guidelines
that
address
a
solar
roof.
There
is
sections
that
address
solar
panels,
but
not
an
actual
solar
roof,
so
this
is
actually
something
quite
new
for
the
commission
and
for
staff
as
well
so
trying
to
mold
in
some
of
our
guidelines
into
what
this
is
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
think
the
main
one,
though,
is
5.9.2
using
you
know,
materials
that
are
more
traditionally
found
in
the
historic
district.
This
certainly
is
not
that
so
staff
did,
you
know,
recommend
denial
of
this
application.
A
Mostly
you
know
if
this
was
proposed
for
a
non-contributing
house
or
a
new
house.
New
construction,
new
construction-
I
can
see
under
certain
circumstances
where
staff
would
could,
certainly
you
know,
recommend
approval,
or
at
least
have
a
more
positive
discussion
on
it,
but
due
to
it
being
on
a
contributing
house
staff,
as
you
can
see
in
our
report,
was
a
little
more
uncertain
about
that
and
kind
of
approached
it
in
a
more
conservative
manner.
A
E
N
Okay
sounds
great.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
caitlin
trojack
301,
east
50th
street
in
garden
city.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
first
chip,
madam
chair
commissioners,
for
hearing
our
presentation
this
evening.
If
we
could,
please
can
we
share
our
screen.
N
Wonderful,
so
rachel's
gonna
share
our
screen.
I
wanted
to
introduce
everyone
who
will
have
presenting,
but
since
they
all
get
to
do
that.
A
B
N
Perfect
so
again,
this
is
for
da
drh
20.
Well,
we
passed
that,
but
no,
it's,
okay,
zero,
zero,
twenty
one,
zero
zero
one:
three
zero
tesla
solar
roof
floor,
1607
north
14th
street
for
the
gardner
family
go
ahead
next
time,
so
we'll
all
be
taking
a
chance
to
speak
tonight
again,
my
name
is
caitlin.
Just
kind
of
quickly
run
through
who
we
are
with
joshua
powell
is
our
ceo.
N
N
So
we
wanted
to
here's
our
quick
little
overview
of
our
presentation.
Biggest
thing
is
yeah.
This
is
an
entirely
new
roofing
material.
It
is
not
solar
panels
that
are
retrofit
to
a
composite
shingle,
so
we
really
want
to
help
educate
what
this
material
is,
so
what
a
soul
roof?
Obviously
the
benefits
of
it.
I
think
a
huge
portion
of
what
you
guys
will
be
concerned
with
are
the
applications,
construction
and
removal,
because
it
is
removable
and
then
maintaining
the
historic
integrity
with
solar
roof
and
then
the
gardener's
mission
as
well.
N
S
Good
evening,
thanks
for
having
us
tonight,
I
just
quickly
wanted
to
explain
what
tesla
solar
roof
is.
I
think
it
can
be
a
little
bit
of
a
confusing
concept,
but
really
at
its
base.
It's
just
a
roofing
material.
S
It
is
a
really
great
option
for
our
customers,
who
are
either
needing
a
roof
replacement,
such
as
the
gardeners
whose
roof
is
over
25
years
old
and
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
home,
but
also
want
to
utilize
solar
panels.
This
can
be
a
more
affordable
option,
because
the
tesla
solar
roof
integrates
the
two
together
and
is
a
little
bit
more
low
profile
than
having
a
conventional
roof
with
solar
panels.
S
Above
it,
this
this
slide
was
taken
directly
from
tesla,
so
yeah,
but
that's
kind
of
exactly
what
it
looks
like
installed
on
a
roof.
It
actually
does
not
mimic
asphalt,
shingles,
but
rather
a
slate
or
metal
tile
roof,
which
is
more
in
line
with
the
north
end
roofing
material,
so
yeah,
it's
basically
just
taking
solar
panels
and
a
roofing
material
and
combining
them
together.
I
Good
evening,
good
evening,
quinn,
rogers
4297,
east
florence
drive
meridian
idaho.
Thank
you
for
having
us
again
speaking
to
what
rachel
just
talked
about.
This
is
not
more
of
a
composition
shingle.
It
definitely
resembles
more
of
a
slate
product.
I
I
think
the
original
roof
was
a
either
a
shake
or
a
cedar.
Shingle
roof
that
over
the
years
has
been
gone
over
with
composition,
shingles
I've
personally
been
in
their
attic
and
looked
at
the
structure,
and
we
typically
work
with
a
structural
engineer
to
evaluate
the
the
structure
that
we'd
be
removing
removing
the
existing
roofing
product
and
then
beefing
up
the
structure
which
is
needed
in
order
to
maintain
the
weight
of
this
new
new
product.
I
This
is
this
is
the
actual
inert
inert
glass
shingle
that
will
be
going
on
the
roof
comes
in
various
sizes,
so
you
get
kind
of
an
architectural
breakup
as
you're
looking
at
the
roof
like
this.
This
animation,
basically
from
tesla,
doesn't
do
it
really
justice
when
you're,
actually
looking
from
a
street
level,
it
gets
a
you
get
a
lot
more
architectural
breakup.
I
During
the
construction
process,
it's
a
little
bit
more
laborious
than
than
putting
on
a
normal
roof.
It's
got
a
166
mile,
an
hour
wind
rating,
a
very
durable
roof.
They
consider
it
a
45
to
50
year
roof,
as
opposed
to
you
know
a
typical
when
I,
when
I've
driven
around
the
historic
area,
I've
seen
35
40-year
composition,
shingle,
roofs,
which
are
great,
but
this
is
a
very
durable
and
I
think,
attractive.
Looking
looking
product
with
that,
I
think
you
probably
have
more
questions
for
us
than
we
can.
Possibly
even
you
know
get
into
so.
N
Yeah,
so
I
think
this
is
probably
the
bulk
right
here
of
what
you
guys
are
most
concerned
about
the
soul.
Roof
will
maintain
the
integrity
of
the
home.
It
will
maintain
its
historic
significance.
N
N
Obviously,
it's
environment,
environmentally
friendly.
It
won't
cause
any
negative
impacts
on
the
structure
itself.
So
I
know
that
that's
really
important
to
the
historical
guidelines.
We
are
not
making
any
adjustments
to
the
roof
line,
any
anything
changing
the
structure
of
the
home,
just
adding
a
new
roof
which
they
have
to
have
we're
not
destroying
or
adjusting
any
of
the
home
structure,
obscuring
any
of
the
visuals
or
removing
any
historical
features.
All
of
that
stuff,
I
think
I
think
now
we'll
get
to
hear
from
josh
who
is
on
the
phone
online.
T
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
us
out
appreciate
the
willingness
to
consider,
obviously
a
very
new
material,
and
I
wanna
respond
specifically
to
the
materiality
and
and
obviously
it
is
a
new
material.
But
you
know
part
of
the
purpose
and
sort
of
big
picture
of
of
solar
roof,
and
even
a
defined
purpose
of
tesla
is
to
make
you
know:
solar
integration
and
residential
homes,
more
aesthetic
and
amenable
to
to
the
people
that
wouldn't
necessarily
get
it
without
an
appearance.
T
That's
more
typical
of
of
traditional
homes
and
a
recognition
of
that.
There's
there's
some
studies
that
indicate
you
know,
perhaps
as
many
as
20
or
30
percent
of
homes
would
never
get
solar
without
solution
like
this,
and
so,
if
you're
really
trying
to
solve
our
energy
problems
and
climate
change,
you
really
have
to
address
materials
that
that
that
hew
towards
vernacular
and
are
more
acceptable
to
the
general
public.
T
T
I
would
also
argue
that
it's
it's
an
improvement
on
on
the
most
common
existing
approved
material,
asphalt,
shingles
and
I'm
sure
the
board
knows
you
know,
for
the
most
part,
asphalt
shingles
didn't
really
exist.
They
were
pretty
new
material
towards
the
end
of
the
period
we're
talking
about
so
they're,
not
particularly
excellent,
and
they
have
an
extremely
high
carbon
footprint
because
they're,
basically
the
bottom
of
the
barrel
when
we
think
about
oil,
so
you
know
that's
a
material
we
we
really
want
to
get
out
of
the
system
as
a
contrast
to
conventional
pv.
T
I
also
want
to
talk
about
this
conventional
pv
being
a
traditional
retrofit
array.
Some
of
the
things
we've
seen
in
the
historic
district
are
arrays
that
don't
have
any
kind
of
setback
at
all.
In
other
words,
you
know
fire
access
to
the
roof
has
become
a
very
important
thing
for
codes.
T
Now,
you
typically
are
going
to
have
to
set
back
at
least
three
feet
at
the
edges
and
the
ridges,
which
is
going
to
make
even
more
contrast
in
the
district.
This
roof
has
all
of
that
built
in.
So
you
don't
see
a
difference
in
the
material
in
the
in
the
layout
of
the
system,
and
fire
departments
can
access
the
roof
more
safely
by
the
nature
of
the
material,
it's
glass
and
it's
surrounded
in
glass,
tiles
that
separate
it
from
the
metal,
ridges
and
and
flashings.
T
The
array
is
actually
isolated
and
grounded
independent
of
an
electrical
ground,
because
it's
essentially
glass
insulated
on
the
roof.
T
It
has
extremely
high
wind,
wind,
uplift,
miami-dade
166,
higher
than
probably
any
any
asphalt
shingle,
certainly
in
the
equivalent
range
of
high-end,
metal,
roofs
and
slate,
and
likewise
reduces
snow
and
ice
damage
potential.
By
having
a
separate
structure,
that's
independent
of
the
of
the
existing
roofing
and
that
you
know
another
sort
of
minor
thing
there,
but
you
know
it
reduces
sail
area
because
you
again
don't
have
the
separate
potential
uplift
element
of
the
of
the
house.
T
Let's
next
slide,
so
these
are
some
photos,
st
john's.
We
had
to
pick
st
john's
because
I
went
to
st
joe's
so,
but
you
just
see
from
a
construction
point
of
view.
This
is
a
good
example
of
a
slate
roof
in
the
district
and
and
again
some
construction
renderings.
Let's
take
a
look
at
the
next
slide.
T
T
T
This
is
an
example
of
a
conventional
pv
system
in
the
district
on
warm
springs
that,
as
I
mentioned
under
current
code,
would
be
violating
fire
setbacks,
because
it's
brought
all
the
way
to
the
eaves
and
the
the
gable
end
and
the
ridge
you
know.
Certainly
aesthetically
is
probably
a
little
better
by
doing
that,
the
other
is
a
is
a
the
the
other
slide
is
laguna
beach,
california,
a
simple
gable,
very
similar
to
the
gardeners.
That's
a
solar
roof
installed,
and
you
know-
and
obviously
it
looks
like
a
fairly
traditional
roof
form.
T
T
And
then
just
some
more
contrasting
examples.
The
first
is
the
gardener's
home
a
couple
couple
images
and
then
another
example
of
a
new
tesla
roof
in
a
relatively
similar
roof
form
different
angle.
Just
so,
you
get
a
sense
of
street
view
and
what
the
final
appearance
looks
like
like
any
tile
material.
T
The
the
roof
will
pick
up
minor
deviations
in
the
structure
and
create,
as
quinn
kind
of
pointed
out,
that
you
know
architectural
detail
that
I
think
you
know
we
all
sort
of
tend
to
pick
up
with
our
eyes.
It
doesn't
have
a
perfectly
uniform
appearance
and
it
actually
does
a
good
job
of
visually
matching
traditional
materials
like
slate
and
metal.
S
Caitlyn,
thank
you
guys
for
hearing
our
presentation.
The
gardener's
neighbors
submitted
a
few
different
letters.
If
you'd
like
I
can
read
through
them,
or
I
can
kind
of
just
show
you.
U
U
So
my
husband's
at
work-
and
he
was
trying
to
be
on
the
call
he
worked
for
the
city
of
boise
by
the
way.
So
you
know
I
I
really
didn't,
spend
a
lot
of
time
preparing
for
this,
but
I
did
go
around
this
weekend
and
just
talk
to
my
neighbors
and
told
them
what
we
were
gonna
do,
and
they
were
all
just
absolutely
thrilled
about
our
motivation
and
about
the
opportunity
to
have
this
in
our
neighborhood.
U
I
think
that
I
could.
I
ended
up
with
four
letters,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
I
could
end
up
with
many
many
more
just
by
asking.
So
you
know
our
motivation
here
is
well.
First
of
all,
I've
I've
lived
in
the
north
end
for
over
26
years,
I've
lived
in
numerous
historical
homes,
both
contributing
and
not
contributing.
One
of
the
reasons
why
you
haven't
seen
me
here
before
is
because
I
don't
change
the
facade
of
any
of
my
homes.
U
I
always
bring
the
homes
back
to
their
original
historical
significance,
mostly
on
the
inside,
though,
so
our
motivation
is
not
financial.
I
know
that
they
said
this
is
more
affordable.
I
would
beg
to
differ,
but
anyways
it
is
not.
This
is
an
investment
for
us,
it's
quite
expensive,
it's
not
for
aesthetics
either.
Our
investment
is
for
the
future
of
our
earth.
It's
for
the
future
of
my
children
and
your
children.
If
you
have
them,
you
know
looking
forward,
we
we
we
have
to
do
something
about
our
future.
U
My
son
is
here,
he's
19
and
he's
he's
one
of
the
driving
forces
of
this.
I'm
hoping
he's
going
to
come
up
and
speak
for
just
a
minute,
we'll
see
so
you
know
this.
Our
our
goal
is
to
get
off
as
a
family
is
to
get
off
of
fossil
fuels.
Okay
and
and
we're
extremely
committed.
This
is
part
of
our
commitment-
is
to
do
this
moving
forward
and
my
goal
is
really
to
make
a
difference
in
my
community.
You
know
just
speaking
with
other
people
about
this.
U
I've
had
several
people
say.
Oh,
what
a
great
idea,
I'm
going
to
look
into
that
as
well,
and
that's
really
my
goal
is
to
make
a
difference
and
make
a
change
in
our
neighborhood
and
in
our
community,
in
our
state
and
in
our
our
world.
I
do
think
that
this
has
historical
significance.
As
far
as
architecturally,
it's
going
to
look
very
much
like
slate.
U
It's
going
to
look
very
much
like
a
tin
roof
or
a
metal
roof
which
some
of
the
only
original
roofs
are,
the
ones
that
we
showed
you
in
our
presentation
and
those
are
in
the
north
and
the
east
ends
and
in
the
historical
districts,
some
of
the
original
historical
homes
and
and
buildings.
So
I
hope
you
guys
approve
this.
I
I
would
welcome
any
questions
that
you
would
have
for
us.
M
I
have
three
questions
actually
for
the
applicant
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
It
was
very
thorough
and
I
think
it
probably
answered
a
few
of
these
questions.
M
I
just
want
to
confirm
a
few
things,
so
you
did
show
an
example
of
at
least
one
house
in
boise
that
had
the
system
on
it,
but
I
was
curious
how
long
ago
that
was
installed
on
that
particular
house
and
if,
if
not
here,
red
and
boise
do
you
know
kind
of
maybe
with
the
oldest
installation
of
any
of
these,
this
particular
system
is
even
if
it's
not
in
even
in
idaho.
I
guess
do
you
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
Sure,
thank
you.
The
one
here
in
boise
has
approximately
been
installed
for
a
year
and
there's
been
a
couple
of
different
levels
of
of
this
product
that
have
that
tesla's
constantly
improving
on
I'd,
be
speculating
to
say
how
long
the
oldest
solar
roof
has
been
on,
but
I'm
gonna
josh
may
be
able
to
do
some
input
on
this,
but
I'm
gonna
say
four
to
five
years.
T
This
is
this
is
josh
powell
again,
so
it's
a
25-year
warranty.
Life
expectancy,
it's
glass
and
metal.
You
know,
tesla
anticipates
life
expectancy,
as,
as
quinn
pointed
out
earlier.
Sort
of
in
the
30
to
40
year
range
argue
that
it's
probably
even
longer,
as
ms
gardner
pointed
out
there's
you
know
some
of
the
historic
homes
in
some
cases
still
retain
original
roofing
because
of
of
those
materials
and
that
analogous
materials
I
mean
glass,
as
you
know,
could
potentially
last
you
know.
T
100
years
I
mean
it's
just
a
matter
of
you
know
the
the
upkeep
of
the
roof
and
obviously
what
kind
of
weather
it
deals
with
over
its
lifespan,
but
it's
a
very
durable
material
meant
to
last
a
long
time,
which
also
reduces
clearly
the
the
carbon
cycle
of
of
our
buildings.
T
Back
to
how
many
have
been
out
there.
This
is
the
fourth
generation
of
tesla
solar
roof.
I
think
their
system's
out
there
about
five
years
now,
at
the
very
oldest,
we've
installed
six
systems
in
idaho,
one
in
boise,
but
several
in.
L
M
Okay-
and
do
you
know,
can
you
clarify
the
sizes
it
comes
in
because
I
think
you
know
traditional
slate
is
typically,
I
think
either
six
or
twelve
inches
wide.
I
was
just
curious
how
what
the
actual
roof
tile
sizes
come
in.
T
We
can
we
can
bounce
back
to
a
slide
that
that
that
shows
the
dimensions,
but
it's
roughly,
I
think,
about
40
inches
by
18
inches
the
exposure
45
inches
by
15.
The
exposure
is
about
12
inches.
Obviously
it's
not
exactly
like
slate,
and
that's
why
you
know
our
point
is,
I
would
say
in
look:
this
is
actually
a
lot
closer
to
a
sectional
embossed
metal
tile,
which
have
a
lot
of
variation.
T
It
also
happens
to
to
look
a
little
bit
like
a
slate
roof
as
well.
I
think
it
just
depends
on
the
visual
angle,
but
certainly
if
you're
talking
about
how
tight
you
know
how
small
individual
pieces
of
slate
are,
I
think
you
know
it's
actually
closer
to
a
to
a
embossed
metal
roof.
M
T
That
it
is
so
the
the
current
color
is
the
color
that's
available.
I
I'm
aware
that
there's
another
color
option,
that's
probably
coming
to
the
market.
T
By
the
end
of
the
year,
we
were,
incidentally,
the
one
of
the
first
tesla
integrators
in
the
country
to
be
certified
to
do
this
roof
outside
of
so
we
have,
you
know:
we've
been
watching
the
product
for,
for
several
years,
we've
been
in
the
business
of
doing
solar
for
over
a
decade,
so
they
they
do
have
plans
for
that.
It's
I
wouldn't
want.
T
You
know
bet
on
exactly
when
my
understanding
is
there's
sort
of
a
terracotta-ish
color
or
might
even
be
closer
from
what
I've
seen
closer
to
a
core
10
like
look,
but
you
know
could
match
this.
I
would
think
from
a
historic
perspective.
Maybe
the
closest
match
would
be
terra,
cotta
tiles
of
the
period.
F
Looking
at
the
information
provided,
it
shows
array
one
array,
two
on
the
garage
and
then
also
the
the
house
of
the
roof
or
sorry
the
roof
of
the
house.
Is
there
a
way
just
to
put
the
the
roof
on
the
garage
and
have
enough
energy
to
power?
What
you
need
or
do
you
need
to
have
it
on
the
roof
or
sorry,
the
garage
and
the
house.
I
J
Yeah,
my
name
is
not
cody,
it's
cullen,
gardner
1607,
north
14th
street,
and
one
of
the
main
things
I
wanted
to
say
was
that
I
would
hope
that
you
guys
approve
our
roof,
because
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
he
said
the
staff
wanted
you
guys
to
not
approve
it
is
that
it
wasn't
similar
to
any
roofs
out
there
and
like
they
were
saying
it's
very
similar
to
slate
in
its
look-
and
I
think
overall,
like
roofing
roofing
is
not
like
the
main
appeal
of
a
house
or
its
overall
facade
and
like
that,
this
tempered
glass
roof,
doesn't
change
the
overall
look
and
besides
that,
I
think
it'd
be
very
good
because
it
could
inspire
other
people
to
hopefully
get
this
roof,
because
it'll
stop
people
from
having
to
rely
on
power
companies
and
to
be
able
to
provide
themselves
with
energy
and
hopefully
move
towards
getting
away
from
fossil
fuels.
E
N
Good
evening,
once
again,
kate,
henwood
1116
north
12th
street,
we
would
really
like
to
commend
the
homeowners
and
for
what
they're
trying
to
achieve
here.
We
do
fully
support
this
project.
N
If
I'm
saying
that
right
technology,
where
the
use
of
new
building
material
is
appropriate
and
that
they
blend
visually
with
the
historic
structures
such
that
they
remain
subordinate
in
character
to
primary
building
materials,
and
this
solar
roof
seems
to
fit
the
bill
to
a
t.
So
we
would
love
to
see
this
application
approved
and
for
more
homes
that
are
transitioning
in
solar
power,
also
adopt
this
technology.
N
E
Testify
it
doesn't
appear
so
if
the
applicants
would
like
you
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal,
or
we
can
jump
straight
into
a
commission
discussion
and
motion.
N
Hi,
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
for
rebuttal,
but
we
did
bring
panels.
I
know
you
kind
of
saw
them
if
you're
interested
we
have
some
of
the
inert
glass
and
also
some
of
the
metal
flashing.
So
if
you
want
to
see
that
I
know
for
the
commissioners
joining
us
online,
they
can't
see
that
very
well
from
here,
but
if
you
would
like
to,
we
can.
E
Share
that
as
well,
would
anyone
like
to
see
the
materials
in
person
or
like
feel
it
or
touch
it?
I'm
fine!
I
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you.
So
much
you're
welcome.
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
before
any
motion,
discussion
or
I'd
like
to
just
give
my
own
thoughts.
E
I
think
this
is
an
incredible
opportunity
for
our
commission
to
approve
a
material
that
is
the
future.
I
100
support
this
application
and
I
don't
see
a
single
reason
to
not.
So
I'm
really
interested
to
hear
what
my
fellow
commissioners
have
to
say,
but
I
will
be
supporting
this
application.
F
All
right,
I
would
like
to
echo
your
your
thoughts.
I
also
like
this
application,
like
think
of
it
as
a
case
study
for
our
commission.
If
it
goes
on,
it
looks
horrible,
then
we
know,
but
I
think
this
is
the
future.
We
do
need
to
start
looking
at
alternative
materials
and
with
the
profile
of
this
roof.
It's
I
think
it's
going
to
look
good.
It's
gonna
be
fine,
so.
E
Wonderful,
it
looks
like
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
nods
from
the
rest
of
the
commission,
so
if
anyone
else
doesn't
want
to
offer
similar
thoughts
or
has
something
else,
they'd
like
to
add,
please
feel
free,
but
I
would
love
to
entertain
emotion
at
this
point.
M
I
do
want
to
make
one
quick
comment
and
I
and
I
support
this
motion,
and
I
and
I
do
like
all
the
comments
that
have
been
said
so
far.
My
only
hesitation
really
was
the
the
track
record.
M
I
guess
of
this
product
and
you
know
how
it
will
perform
in
our
city
and
our
environment,
since
it
is
a
new
product,
and
I
guess
I'd
I
like
to
suggest
that
the
city
maybe
and
we've
asked
this
of
some
of
the
other
products
that
we've
approved
in
the
past,
such
as
the
the
artificial
grass
and
things
like
that
that
if
they
could
potentially
keep
an
eye
on
it-
and
maybe
we
revisit
it
in
a
couple
years,
once
it's
installed,
assuming
it
gets
approved
just
to
make
sure
that
we
we
are
still
okay
with
it
and
that
it
could,
you
know,
maybe
be
integrated
into
our
guidelines
in
the
future.
M
E
Okay,
thank
you,
everyone.
That
concludes
our
hearing
this
evening.
We
will
see
you
next
month.
Thank
you
all
so
much.