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A
Okay,
madam
chair,
I
think
we're
ready
to
start
the
work
session,
we're
going
to
start
with
a
presentation
on
the
zoning
code,
rewrite
update.
B
C
Good
evening,
commissioners,
for
the
record,
andrea
tuning,
I
am
in
our
long-range
planning
division
and
when
we
started
the
zoning
code
rewrite
we
promised
that
we
would
keep
you
apprised
as
we
moved
along
and
also
let
you
know
everything
that
we've
heard
from
our
community.
So
we
finished
up
modules,
one
and
two
of
the
zoning
code
rewrite
and
after
that
we
took
a
step
back
and
said:
hey
we've
heard
a
lot
of
really
good
information
from
our
community.
C
It
talks
about
how
much
parking
you
should
have
how
tall
your
building
should
be
densities
that
might
be
allowed
in
any
type
of
design
standards
that
are
applicable
to
whatever
you
might
be
proposing.
We
took
that
out
to
our
public
in
the
spring
of
2022,
and
we
held
two
public
surveys.
We
had
a
number
of
different
neighborhood
conversations
which
we
met
with
people
in
various
areas
of
the
city,
and
then
we
also
had
some
targeted
outreach
where
we
met
with
15
different
groups.
C
Then
after
we
gathered
all
of
that
feedback,
we
had
heard
hey.
We
don't
think
you
have
it
quite
right,
and
so
we
agreed-
and
we
said
that
let's
take
a
look
at
this
and
revise
modules,
one
and
two,
and
then
we
hit
the
road
in
july,
and
so
that's
where
we're
at
right
now,
so
we're
just
preparing
for
module
three.
But
we
wanted
to
let
you
know
before
we
move
on
what
happened
with
that
revised
piece,
and
so
really
what
we
heard
from
that
community
outreach
was.
C
They
wanted
us
to
consider
the
impacts
of
growth
on
our
existing
infrastructure,
primarily
our
roadways,
our
water
resources,
as
well
as
our
sewer
capacities
and
schools,
as
well
as
what
we
heard.
We
also
heard
that
sustainability
and
affordability
is
critical
in
any
type
of
city,
and
we
heard
that
time
and
time
again
and
then
we
also
heard
that
we
don't
want
to
grow
everywhere.
C
We
want
to
preserve
our
foothills,
we
want
to
preserve
our
desert
areas
and
we
want
to
preserve
sensitive
areas
such
as
the
boise
river,
and
so
we
agreed
with
that,
and
so
we
evaluated
really
what
our
goals
were
and
when
we
evaluated
one
of
those
is
what
those
are
is
having
a
really
great
variety
of
neighborhoods.
So
not
everybody.
C
C
C
R1A
is
circled
because
originally
we
proposed
to
eliminate
that
we
have
proposed
to
merge
r1a
and
r1b
together,
and
if
we're
going
to
address
that,
we
have
a
variety
of
neighborhoods.
We
thought
the
r1a
should
come
back.
We
also
identified,
of
course,
that
there
would
be
density
associated
with
r1a,
r1b
and
r1c.
So
before
we
did
not
have
densities
that
were
actually
capping.
What
could
happen
there?
We
were
letting
the
form,
such
as
setbacks,
building
height
and
parking
requirements
determine
what
that
density.
Is.
C
We
also
re-evaluated
the
lot
size
of
r1c,
so
in
our
original
proposal
you
would
notice
that
we
had
4
000
square
foot
as
an
option
and
we
reduced
that
to
3500
square
feet
and
the
reason
that
we
have
done.
That
is,
if
you
take
forty
three
thousand
five
hundred
and
sixty
square
feet,
which
is
in
one
acre
and
divide
that
by
twelve,
you
end
up
with
thirty
five
hundred.
C
We
also
evaluated
some
of
those
building
heights,
specifically
in
the
r1c,
r2
and
r3,
and
so
we
did
adjust
those
heights
slightly.
So
in
the
r1c
it
went
from
35
to
40
in
r2
it
went
from
35
to
45
and
then
in
r3
we
went
from
45
to
50..
C
We
did
make
some
allowed
uses,
adjustments
as
well,
and
that's
specifically
to
the
r1c,
r2
and
r3.
So
an
attached
townhouse
product
would
now
be
allowed
in
those
zones
as
well
as
neighborhood
markets.
So
you'll
see
that
there
is
an
allowance
for
some
small
retail
to
exist
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods,
which
is
what
we
heard
from
our
community.
C
There
are
specific
requirements
that
go
with
that.
So
in
the
r1c
you
have
to
be
a
corner
lot
in
r2.
There
are
some
design
standards
as
well
as
r3,
but
there
are
allowances
because
people
wanted
to
walk.
They
wanted
to
have
places
where
they
could
grab
coffee
grab
a
cocktail
grab,
something
quick
to
eat
or
even
those
small
retail
uses
that
are
there.
We
also
have
some
four
plexes
that
have
started
to
emerge
as
an
allowed
use
in
that
r2
zone,
as
well
as
some
apartment
building
in
the
r2
and
r3.
D
So
in
our
previous
draft
we
had
a
mixed-use
district.
We
had
mixed-use
districts
that
were
kind
of
across
the
city
where
we
had
previously
commercial
zone
districts,
but
instead,
we've
taken
a
new
look
at
this
and
really
said.
As
we
have
a
changing
city
and
a
growing
city,
we
want
to
direct
that
development
where
we
have
investment
and
there's
lots
of
areas
within
the
city
that
we've
been
investing
in
for
decades
and
have
been
planning
to
invest
in.
So
we
want
to
use
public
or
use
private
development
to
help
us
further
those
public
investments.
D
So
we
know
we
have
our
downtown
districts
state
street.
This
has
been
a
corridor
of
interest
for
the
city
for
many
years
and
we
have
an
ultimate
vision
of
bus,
rapid
transit
or
using
much
better
high
quality
transit
on
state
street.
So
we've
been
working
very
steadily
on
building
that
out
and
we
want
to
align
our
zoning
to
support
that.
There's
four
state
street
transit
stations
that
we've
identified
and
I'll
walk
through
those
as
well
as
we
have
other
transit
routes
that
we've
been
investing
in
state
street.
D
As
I
said,
fairview
and
visa
each
have
transit
that
run
every
15
minutes
during
the
peak
hour,
which
is
actually
excellent,
transit
service
and
then
30
minutes
all
day.
So
we
want
a
direct
development
there.
So
residents
who
are
you
know?
New
residents
can
use
that
investment
as
well.
We
have
our
pathway
porters.
D
So,
as
I
said,
we
run
a
first
focus
our
growth
within
downtown,
and
this
is
not
going
to
change
dramatically
from
what
we
have
already
in
our
existing
zoning
code,
but
we're
proposing
this
to
be
called
mx5,
which
is
the
mixed-use
downtown
zone
as
it
is
now.
There's
no
density
calculation.
We
do
have
some
floor
area
ratio
that
we're
removing
and
then,
but
probably
what's
most
significant
about
this
is
we
have
areas
within
our
downtown
that
still
have
some
suburban
zoning,
so
c2
general
commercial?
D
Those
are
areas
over
by
shoreline
by
the
river
that
we
want
to
act
proactively,
rezone
to
mx5,
because
that
fits
that
downtown
development
pattern.
We
want
to
be
focusing
our
growth
within
our
downtown
core.
D
And
then,
as
I
said,
we
want
to
really
build
out
state
street
to
be
a
really
a
great
corridor
for
transit
and
transit
oriented
development.
So
we've
identified
four
very
small
nodes
at
this
point,
but
there
are
four
station
areas
on
state
street,
so
we
have
white
water,
hollister,
glenwood
and
gary
and
horseshoe
bend.
So
just
these
intersections
on
state
we've
identified
as
primary
transit
stops
as
we
build
out
on
our
state
street
plans,
and
this
would
allow
for
our
next
most
intense
development.
D
We
have
plans
for
a
multi-use
path
and
this
would
be
a
strict
requirement
of
any
new
development
within
these
areas
to
have
that
multi-use
path
and,
additionally,
with
this
zone
so
mx4
and
then
I'll
talk
about
mx3,
we've
really
gone
through
that
table
of
allowed
uses
and
weeded
out
uses
that
aren't
conducive
to
a
comfortable,
walking
and
biking
environment.
So
thinking
we
don't
want
to
see
drive-throughs
in
these
areas
anymore.
D
We
want
to
see
development,
that's
going
to
support
a
vibrant
street
life
and
make
it
make
transit
there
more
viable
and,
as
I
said,
the
next
one
is
mx3,
which
is
our
mixed
use
active.
So
this
is
the
next
highest
intensity
zone
district
that
we
really
want
to
focus
our
growth
and
development.
Again
this
has
a
60-foot
height
limit
and
it's
going
to
have
very
strict
requirements
for
streetscape
again
trying
to
make
a
more
active,
comfortable
environment
for
our
residents
and
you'll
see.
D
We
convert
our
lower
density
single
family
zones
into
r2,
which
is
a
more
mixed
or
it's
the
compact
residential
zoning,
so
allowing
a
little
bit
more
development
potential
there,
so
that
it
goes
from
the
commercial
buildings
to
a
higher
intensity
residential
zoning
into
our
single
family
district.
So
we're
really
allowing
a
more
gradual
or
even
organic
transition
from
those
corridors
into
our
neighborhoods,
and
we
we
recognize
there's
going
to
be
areas
in
our
cities
that
can't
be
this
active
dream
or
won't.
You
know
we
still
need
to
access
the
drive-through.
D
And
then
our
last
one
is
mixed-use
neighborhood
or
mx1,
and
this
is
our
small-scale
coffee
shop
ice
cream
store
really
what
we
envision
as
we
think
of
neighborhood,
centers
and
you'll
see.
This
is
pretty
distributed
pretty
well
across
the
city.
I
know
it's
a
little
light
in
this
map,
but
it's
really
giving
all
neighborhoods
a
special
place
that
they
could
walk
to
with
their
families
or
after
work
just
to
have
somewhere
nearby.
That's
going
to
be
that
more
small
scale,
neighborhood
serving
and
then
I'll.
Let
lena
speak
to
our
incentives.
E
Hello,
commission,
lena
walker,
planning
and
development
services,
apologies
for
the
casual
dress,
but
it's
very
cold
in
here,
so
I'm
keeping
it
on
so
just
really
quickly.
There's
a
lot
of
information
on
these
next
few
slides,
but
I'll
try
to
walk
quickly
through
it
and
then,
of
course,
if
you
have
questions,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
So
deanna
had
mentioned
that
we
have
some
strategies
to
produce
affordable
and
sustainable
development
and
there's
a
couple
different
incentives
that
have
been
included
into
the
revised
draft
of
the
code.
E
So
the
first
incentive
here
is
for
the
large
lot,
suburban
and
sort
of
traditional
zones,
so
that
would
be
r1a
r1b
and
r1c.
Previously
we
had
said
that
the
the
previous
draft
had
proposed
to
allow
up
to
a
four
plex
in
all
residential
zones.
E
E
We're
also
proposing
a
strategic,
infill
incentive,
and
the
purpose
of
this
is
to
really
take
a
a
tailored
and
specific
approach
to
implementing
that
sort
of
small
scale
density
that
fits
well
into
various
types
of
neighborhood
environments
and
can
really
take
advantage
of
vacant
or
underutilized
parcels
within
existing
areas.
Achieving
that
infill
on
a
scale
that
meets
with
the
character
of
a
neighborhood,
but
also
allows
for
a
more
efficient
use
of
our
land
and
our
resources.
E
A
couple
different
things
about
this
incentive:
it
would
apply
in
certain
locations,
so
that
would
be
the
r1b
or
r1c
zone
and
also,
if
you
are
within
300
feet
of
a
collector
road
or
minor
arterial
or
within
a
quarter
mile
of
a
property
that
would
be
zoned
mx3.
What
you
see
on
that
map,
there
would
be
all
parcels
that
meet
those
locational
requirements.
E
E
Of
the
total
assessed
value
or
if
you
can
incorporate
the
existing
structure
and
not
have
to
totally
remove
something
that
was
there
before
and
of
course
you
couldn't
have
an
approved
demolition
permit
within
the
past
three
years,
because
we
do
want
to
incentivize
this
small-scale
infill,
but
we
don't
want
to
see
just
a
bunch
of
buildings
being
knocked
down
to
build
something
else.
E
On
top
of
it,
so
trying
to
really
speak
to
that
preservation,
but
then
also,
how
can
we
open
up
opportunities
for
folks
that
want
to
see
a
little
more
density
on
their
lot
and
what
this
incentive
would
get
you
is.
You
could
do
three
to
four
units
with
no
additional
requirements
as
long
as
you
were
within
all
of
those
site-specific
requirements.
E
I
mentioned
five
to
eight
units
with
one
of
those
units
dedicated
affordable
and
then
up
to
12
units
if
two
of
those
units
are
dedicated
affordable
at
80
ami,
so
you
can
see
on
the
left
there
just
sort
of
an
example,
a
basic
visual
of
the
kind
of
infill
that
this
is
referring
to,
and
here's
also
some
other
examples
that
you
might
see
around
boise.
So
you
know
this
could
be
cottage
court
development.
E
It
could
be
duplex,
it
could
be
a
triplex
or
a
fourplex,
something
that
looks
a
little
bit
more
like
an
attached
townhome
product.
There's
a
lot
of
room
for
experimentation
or
innovation
within
this
incentive
in
the
mixed-use
zones.
The
affordable
and
sustainable
incentives
would
allow
for
a
parking
reduction
and
a
possible
height
allowance
if
one-quarter
of
all
of
those
units
are
affordable
to
households,
earning
60,
ami
or
below
for
50
years.
So
a
little
bit
higher
bar
there
on
the
affordability
and
again
having
those
sustainability
requirements
incorporated
into
how
that
building
is
constructed.
E
And
then,
finally,
you
know,
as
we
mentioned
with
you
know,
how
do
we
manage
growth
on
the
edges
of
our
city?
E
E
In
addition
to
codifying
some
of
our
overlay
zones
like
the
wildland
urban
interface,
which
you
can
see
in
the
yellow
around
the
edges,
there
that
matches
the
overlay
shared
by
the
county
and
then
also
the
boise
river
system
overlay
and
then,
finally,
as
we
move
into
module
three
in
the
fall
looking
at
our
processes
and
procedures,
we'll
need
to
examine.
You
know
how
we
approach
annexation
from
a
policy
perspective
and
how
that's
reflected
in
our
code.
E
F
One-
and
it
may
be
not
like
too
far
ahead,
but
going
back
to
the
mx-5.
How
would
that
code
change
impact,
our
historic
districts
that
lie
within
that
region.
F
D
You
all
right,
hello,
commissioners,
commissioner,
I
think
it-
and
I
think
this
goes
for
any
of
the
historic
districts
within
regardless
of
whether
it's
mx-5
or
r1c,
we're
not
proposing
to
change
the
historic
district
structure,
as
is
so
the
base
zoning.
How
you
review
a
project
now
with
base
zoning
that
is
changing,
but
any
of
the
historic
district
guidelines
that
control
form
would
stay
in
effect,.
G
I
guess
we
do
have.
I
have
another
kind
of
sidebar
from
the
zoning
code
rewrite
so
andrea
you're
in
charge
of
long
range
planning
for
the
city.
Is
there
at
some
point?
Will
long
range
planning
look
at
the
historic
preservation
plan,
along
with
the
historic
preservation
department,
the
plans
from
1979
that
was
adopted,
so
how
how
does
historic
preservation
fit
into
the
city's
zoning
code
rewrite
for
the
future
like
what
it?
What
do
you
see
this
program
doing
in
the
future?
C
Molloy,
that's
really
great
question.
We
actually
had
a
little
conversation
about
that
today
and
so
as
we're
evaluating
our
five-year
strategic
plan
in
planning
and
development
services,
we
will
take
a
deep
dive
into
what
does
historic
preservation
look
like
in
the
future?
I
don't
see
it
going
away.
Certainly
we
have
our
historic
district
overlays
that
we
are
certainly
carrying
over
as
we
are
truly
appreciate.
You
know
where
our
city
has
been,
but
taking
a
look
at
it
a
little
bit
differently,
so
we
have
other
areas
of
the
city
that
are
starting
to
age.
C
C
What
some
of
those
historic
preservation
standards
are
in
both
the
guidelines
for
residential
and
commercial,
and
so
you
might
see
some
updates
to
that.
But
I
think
we're
going
to
see
our
historic
districts,
you
know
continue
to
thrive,
and
then
we
might
even
see
some
new
ones
depending
on
how
that
strategic
plan
lies
out.
B
C
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We
will
move
to
the
table
rock
room
for
the
rest
of
the
work
session.
Foods
waiting
in
there.
B
All
right,
thank
you
today
is
the
29th
of
august
2022.
This
is
the
scheduled
time
and
place
for
the
historic
preservation
commission
hearing,
I'm
chairperson
weaver,
and
I
now
call
the
meeting
to
order
christina.
Would
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
Does
anybody
have
any
comments
or
changes
to
the
minutes.
B
B
B
All
right
great,
thank
you.
We
have
no
items
up
for
deferral
tonight,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
I
believe
we
have
two
possible
items
for
the
consent
agenda,
beginning
with
trh
22-00242.
B
Amy
algayer
and
this
was
actually
deferred
from
the
july
25th
hearing.
Does
anybody
from
the
commission
have
any
questions
on
this
matter.
H
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval,
we
are
okay.
Thank
you.
Was
there
any
written
opposition
to
this
matter.
B
B
Eric
the
board-
and
this
was
also
deferred
from
the
july
25th
2022
hearing.
Does
the
commission
have
any
questions
on
this
matter?
Okay,
great
is
the
applicant
present.
Okay,
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
Was
there
any
written
opposition
to
this
matter.
B
Drh22-00249
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
I
therefore
move
that
the
consent,
consent
agenda
and
all
items
on
the
consent
agenda
be
approved,
subject
to
all
the
findings
and
conclusions
and
conditions
of
approval
agreed
upon
for
each
item.
Do
I
have
a
second
all?
Second,
okay,
we
have
a
second
from
commissioner
montoto
christina.
Can
you
please
call
the
roll
honor.
B
Thank
you,
those
that
are
here
for
the
consent
agenda
are
free
to
head
out
all
right,
great,
okay,
we'll
now
move
on
to
the
remaining
items
on
the
agenda.
We
have
two
remaining
items.
The
first
one
to
be
heard
tonight
is
drh22-00300.
A
A
There's
an
existing
single
story
home
covering
a
large
portion
of
the
lot
that
has
had
additions
constructed
over
the
years.
There
was
an
edition
constructed,
I
believe,
in
the
mid
it
we
had,
there
was
one
in
2015
and
then
and
in
2006
there
were
additions
constructed
to
the
home,
so
it
does
take
up
a
fair
amount
of
the
lot
and
that
that
relates
directly
to
the
applicant's
proposal
to
go
vertical
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
above
the
garage.
A
A
They
have
submitted
revised
plans
that
drop
that
to
998
feet
below
the
thousand,
so
they
can
get
the
reduced
setbacks
in
the
rear
yard
along
the
alley
for
the
accessory
structure,
the
applicant's
proposal
is
approximately
one
foot
nine
inches
taller
than
that
existing
single
story
home.
A
It
is
a
a
fairly
low
hip
roof
structure
so
for
to
stay
within
lock
coverage
again
had
to
go
vertical
with
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
above
the
garage
and
just
couldn't
get
it
to
to
be
lower
than
the
height
of
the
of
the
house,
but
it
is
minimized.
There
is
a
steep
pitched
roof
with
some
smaller
dormers
on
the
side.
Elevations
proposed
that
do
really
help
minimize
the
appearance
of
mass
and
height
of
that
adu.
A
But
again
it
is
about
one
foot,
nine
inches
taller
than
that
existing
home
some
perspective
drawings.
The
applicant
worked
with
the
neighbor
to
the
it
would
be
believe,
the
north
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
confirm
that
but
worked
with
them
on
minimizing
windows
and
extend
privacy
concerns
on
those
on
those
windows
facing
that
property,
and
I
believe
they
have
their
neighbors
support
on
this
proposal.
B
A
B
Okay,
great,
are
there
any
other
questions?
B
I
can
yeah
thank
you,
go
ahead
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
and
then
you
have
20
minutes.
J
Yeah,
my
name
is
scott
wybar.
I
live
at
442
west
thatcher
street
in
boise.
J
And
I
think
to
I
guess,
to
answer
right
up
about
one
of
the
questions
about
the
the
height
of
the
structure,
so
that
was
above
the
roof
of
the
the
house.
The
highest
sort
of
ridge
line
of
the
hip
roof,
not
the
chimney,
and
I
I
think
that
pretty
much
all
the
conditions
were
well
described
in
that
introduction.
We
we
basically
have
sort
of
made
this
the
lowest
possible
structure
that
we
could
to
fit.
J
The
you
know
a
reasonable
living
area
above
the
garage
ceiling
is
as
low
as
as
we
can
make
it
to
still
fit
a
even
a
small,
a
seven
foot
garage
door
and
then
the
you
know,
we've
basically
lowered
the
roof
as
far
down
as
we
possibly
can.
So
it's
essentially
on
the
floor
of
the
or
the
ceiling
of
the
garage.
J
So
we
did
really
all
that
we
could
to
to
set
the
you
know
the
roof
line
as
low
as
we
could.
I
I
think
that
the
the
steep
roof
actually
helps
quite
a
bit
to
reduce
the
scale
of
the
garage,
because
the
walls
of
the
the
structure,
the
eaves,
actually
sit
quite
a
bit
lower
and
give
the
appearance
that
that
the
building
is
is
lower.
If
we
would
have
tried,
maybe
something
else
with
a
less
steep
roof.
J
The
walls
begin
to
get
really
tall
and
feel
you
know
taller
than
they
than
they
should
be,
and
the
scale
of
the
eaves
on
this
is
actually
very
similar
to
the
eaves
of
the
existing
garage
which
which
will
be
removed
if
this
is
approved.
J
I
think
that
the
other
thing
is
that
we
set
the
the
we
placed
the
garage
on
the
north
side
of
the
lot,
which
is
adjacent
to
another
existing
garage,
which
is
essentially
about
the
exact
same
mass.
I
don't
know
if
I
think
that,
like
that,
that
site
plan
is
zoomed
in
a
little
bit,
but
there's
a
garage
right
across
the
property
line
from
that.
So
any
any
openings
in
this
this
proposed
edu
looking
north
would
just
be
looking
at
that
garage.
J
Basically,
and
so
the
property
to
the
south
is
blocked
by
that,
but
there's
a
big
existing
maple
tree
you
can
see
to
the
south
of
the
deck,
so
it's
set
quite
a
bit
back
from
that
property
to
the
south
and
there's
really
no
no
impact
from
the
windows
of
this.
This
proposed
upstairs
on
that
south
property
and
plus
there's
a
big
garage
on
that
self
property
too.
So
I
think
with
that.
I
just
would
would
open
it
up
if
you
have
any
questions
for
us.
B
Thank
you.
Just
anybody
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
B
I
I
do
have
one
question
for
you:
did
you
you
so
you
I
think
you
started
to
address
this,
but
did
you
play
around
with
the
pitch
of
the
roof?
Is
it
I
couldn't
quite
tell?
Is
it
matching?
B
B
Okay.
If,
but
if
you
were
to
make
it
a
less
steep
steep
pitch,
could
you
lower
the
ridge
line
a
little
bit.
J
Well,
the
problem
is
that
you,
you
could
theoretically
lower
the
ridge
line,
but
you
end
up
losing
interior
space
because
the
the
dormers
and
everything
end
up
sitting
lower
so
we're
already.
The
those
dormer
ceiling
heights
are
only
at
seven
feet
three
inches,
so
we
are
doing
our
very
best
to
keep
everything
low
and
if,
if
we,
if
we
move
the
pitch
even
a
few
degrees,
you
know
this
is
a
12
12
and
the
house
is
a
10
12.
J
So
if
we
even
if
we
move
it
down
a
little
bit
it,
it
will
still
it'll
it'll
decrease
the
amount
of
ceiling
height
in
those
dormer
areas
and
it
becomes
becomes
really
too
low.
We
can
not
even
meet
building
code.
At
that
point,
does
that
does
that
answer?
Your
question.
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
You'll
have
time
to
speak
again
in
just
a
few
minutes.
After
we
talked
to
the
neighborhood
association.
B
Great,
thank
you
is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify
all
right,
it
looks
like
kate
henwood
is
here,
go
ahead,
kate
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
thanks.
K
Madam
chairwoman,
kate,
henwood
1116
north
12th
street
yeah,
of
course
you
know,
there's
always
look
at
these
with
extra
scrutiny
when
it
is
a
contributing
home
and
we
did
have
a
few
initial
concerns,
but
I
think
those
have
been
largely
resolved
since
we
first
saw
these
plans,
we
appreciate
the
square
footage
being
brought
down.
K
Of
course,
it's
not
ideal
when
the
adu
is
taller
than
the
home,
but
obviously
with
a
single
story
home.
It
looks
like
every
effort
has
been
made
to
keep
this
as
short
as
possible,
and
I
do
think
the
width
of
the
home
is
really
helpful
here
in
obscuring.
K
You
know
the
majority
of
this
structure
also,
I
know
this
home
from
walking
the
neighborhood
and
they
have
adorable
chickens
running
in
the
yard
and
a
little
chicken
coop
also
on
the
property,
so
lots
of
other
things
happening
at
this
home,
so
I
think
yeah.
I
think
we
support
staff's
recommendation
on
this
one.
As
always,
we
would
put
in
our
plug
for
permeable
paving
and
I
believe
they
already
have
specked
shielded
down
lighting,
which
we
appreciate
so
yeah.
We
we
do
support
approval
of
these
plans.
B
J
Okay,
yeah,
I
don't
think
I
have
too
much
more
to
add
other
than
that
we
can
definitely
consider
the
permeable
pavers,
I
think,
in
the
yard.
We
were
already
planning
on
that
and
so
yeah
that
we
we
we'll
we'll
work
to
do
that.
Other
than
that,
I
I
don't
think
we
have
anything
else
to
add.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
any
additional
questions?
B
Okay,
thank
you
I'll,
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
consider
a
motion
or
discussion.
G
I'll
make
a
motion
I'll
just
know
that
I
really
do
like
the
design
of
this
adu.
We
see
a
lot
of
designs
on
adus
that
are
just
like
the
craftsman
style,
because
that's
what's
popular,
so
I
like
how
this
one
actually
has
a
modern
touch
to
it
and
really
doesn't
blend
it
blends,
but
it
doesn't
create
a
false
sense
of
history,
which
is
always
a
concern
that
we
have
when
we're
adding
a
new
building
into
a
historic
district.
So
I
moved
to
approve
drh22-00300.
B
B
Great.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
that
we'll
hear
tonight,
which
is
our
last
item,
is
drh
22-00303
robert
parsons
at
1206
west
lamp
street.
Can
we
please
have
the
report.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members,
commission,
so
the
applicant
before
you
tonight
has
requested
approval
of
some
alterations
to
a
contributing
structure
that
would
alter
that
character.
Defining
facade-
and
this
is
in
the
north
end
historic
district
at
1206
west,
limp
on
the
north
side
of
lymph
street
between
12th
and
13th,
just
south
of
camelsback
park,
so
the
applicants
and
I'll
let
them
expand
on
on
this
in
their
presentation
as
well,
but
the
applicant
purchased
the
home
in
in
poor
condition.
A
There
was
an
enclosed
porch
that
was
not
structurally
sound
shown
here.
In
these
photos
it
was
enclosed
with
some
plexiglass
and
some
aluminum
frame
windows.
I
believe
so.
The
opt-in
provided
some
imagery
about
what
the
existing
conditions
look
like
in
that
in
that
porch,
some
rather
interesting
construction
techniques
on
the
floor
there
and
some
crumbling
foundation
and
unsound
walls.
A
So
they
made
the
decision
to
remove
the
porch
before
it
fell
down
reconstructed
it
in
the
configuration
scene
here,
leaving
it
open
with
a
vertical
natural
wood,
siding
on
that
porch.
In
a
condition
of
approval
in
the
staff
report,
we
would
recommend
that
that
be
cited
and
lap
siting
to
match
the
house.
A
With
that
we
have
approved
our
recommended
approval
of
the
application.
I
will
mention
the
vinyl
windows
on
the
home.
There
were
vinyl
windows
installed
throughout
the
home
by
the
previous
owner.
The
applicant
would
like
to
discuss
some
some
leniency.
We
do
have
a
condition
of
approval,
recommending
that
all
those
be
replaced
with
appropriate
material
windows.
You
know
some
time.
I
think
the
applicant
is
looking
for
some
some
help
on
timing.
A
You
know
in
terms
of
when,
when
those
are
replaced
and
what
that
looks
like
because
this
structure
was
bought
in
a
in
a
fairly
poor
condition,
they
put
a
lot
of
work
into
it
and
there
are
certainly
some
monetary
concerns
there.
So
you
know-
and
I
believe
the
outcome
will
expand
on
that
in
their
presentation
as
well,
but
with
that
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
A
There
is,
and
let
me
let
me
just
get
that
pulled
up
real
quick.
L
B
Great,
are
there
any
other.
G
A
A
It's
tricky,
but
ownership,
you
know,
doesn't
I
guess,
play
into
appropriate
or
inappropriate.
You
know
alterations
to
a
home,
so
if
the
work
was
done
without
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
you
know
really
the
time
to
address
that
and
rectify
it
as
with
a
new
certificate
appropriateness
for
this
work.
So
but
you
know
totally
up
to
the
commission's
discretion
about
how
to
apply
that,
but
I
think
typically,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
consider
ownership
in
that
situation.
B
M
You
traversing
weaver
commissioners,
thanks
for
everything
being
here,
volunteering
all
that
my
name
is
rob
parsons.
My
address
is
one
five
one:
seven
north
clermont
drive.
We
are
the
new
owners,
my
wife
and
I
have
the
wonderful
home
at
1206
west
lamp.
The
home
has
had
a
quite
a
varied
history.
The
previous
owner,
I
think,
had
it
for
14
years
and
is
employed
at
one
of
those
reclaimed,
building
supply
stores
and
that
got
first
dibs
that
everything
came
through
the
doorway.
M
He
applied
everything
he
could
to
the
home.
You
know
just
to
speak
to
the
the
fluorine
three
three
or
four
different
layers
of
fluorine,
which
I
think
you
saw
a
photo
of
before
he
actually
found
the
original
fur
floor,
but
he
applied
that
to
just
about
every
surface,
including
there's.
Actually
one
original
window
left.
All
the
rest
were
replaced
with.
Vinyl
is
the
one.
Is
it
okay
for
me
to
start
the
quick
presentation
on
the
porch?
Okay,
yeah
thanks
josh.
M
So
again,
yeah
we
just
purchased
the
homemade
of
of
this
year.
Our
goal
is
to
make
it
a
safe,
single-family.
Residence
again,
you
know
basically
does
go
back
to
the
1910.
You
know
good
character
of
the
home.
Yes,
we
failed
in
the
fact
that
we
did
not
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
when
we
kind
of
started
this
project
and
the
front
porch
definitely
caught
us
off
guard.
We
had
to
address
that
yep.
M
The
foot
on
the
right
is
the
1990
photo
photo
on
the
on
the
left
is
the
basic
sea
of
affairs
from
the
outside
of
the
porch
when
we
purchased
the
home.
M
This
photo
is
a
pretty
good
snapshot
of
the
rest
of
the
home,
but
there's
a
little
bit
of
everything
there
there's
some
carpet.
There's
epoxy,
there's
exterior
siding
interior.
You
know
molding,
it's
it's
all.
It's
all
there,
including
closet
doors,
pretend
to
be
shutters.
M
This
is
a
good
snapshot
of
what
we
encountered
inside
doesn't
really
apply
right
now,
but
it
gives
a
good
example
of
the
previous
owner's
artistic
touch
on
every
surface,
so
the
for
the
left.
This
was
one
of
the
layers
of
the
flooring
that
we
encountered
just
to
give
an
example
of
what
our
goal
is,
so
we
encounter
them
on
the
left.
The
upper
right
photo
is,
we
didn't
know
at
the
time,
but
it
was
the
original
1910
fur
floor.
M
We
put
the
time
and
energy
into
saving
and
restoring
it
and
that's
kind
of
our
goal
for
the
entire.
The
entire
home
is
to
get
it
back
as
close
to
the
1910.
You
know
that
we
can.
M
Go
back
to
the
front
porch
there's
also
examples
of
examples
of
you
know
what
the
previous
owner
has
done.
So
again,
there's
a
little
bit
of
everything
in
there.
M
Wayne's
coding
fabric
carpet
again
layers
upon
layers
upon
layers,
and
we
didn't
have
the
time,
but
it
was
doing
a
fine
job
of
hiding
the
damage
and
wear
and
tear
that
the
the
porch
was
dealing
with.
M
So
as
we
peeled
it
back,
it
got.
Basically,
it
ended
up
being
a
bit
of
an
emergency.
There
was
one
bit
of
structural
support,
so
it
was
a
half
of
a
cinder
block.
The
rest
of
the
porch
was
basically
resting
on
the
ground,
and
so
there's
rot
dry
rot
from
top
to
bottom.
M
The
one
post
that
you
see
there
on
the
left
photo
is
was
was
hollow,
so
both
and
left
right
posts
were
not
truly
structurally
sound,
so
we
basically
placed
everything
from
the
roof
line
down
with
the
appropriate.
M
You
know,
structure.
The
right
thing
is
actually
in
contact
with
the
ground
support,
beams
and
whatnot,
so
it
is
actually
built.
You
know
to
today's
standards,
so
header
footer,
all
those
things
and
again
we
did
not
try
to
increase
the
square
footage.
The
height
of
the
wall.
We
tried
to
maintain
as
much
we
could
of
the
original
look
and
feel
of
the
front
porch.
M
So,
just
more
examples
of
of
the
solid
construction
the
photo
on
the
right
is
just
another,
just
kind
of
want
to
give
you
another
example
of
the
previous
owner's
artistic
touch,
so
the
siding
on
the
left
side.
He
basically
just
cut
a
hole,
pulled
out
the
siding,
rotated
and
then
put
it
back
in.
There
was
never
a
doorway
into
that
next
room,
so
it's
we've
been
dealing
with
that
type
of
of
curveball
throughout
the
throughout
the
you
know
the
program
here
as
recommended.
M
I
understand
why
staff
wants
a
horizontal
siding
with
instead
of
the
vertical.
We
have
no
problem
with
that
whatsoever,
so
we'll
try
to
as
close
to
the
lap
that's
on
the
house
and
replace
the
the
vertical
siding
there.
M
And
again,
we
we've
tried
to
be
respectful
to
the
neighbors
and
and
what
not
in
this
home,
we
are
not
trying
to
change
really
anything
again.
We're
just
trying
to
pick
up
the
pieces
of
the
the
previous
owner,
including
poor
maintenance
and
and
whatnot.
M
Now
I
don't
know
if
I
have
anything
more
to
add
any
any
questions.
I
can
answer
right
now.
G
I
have
a
question
so
they
want
you
to
correct
the
windows.
What
are
you
asking
the
leniency
on
that.
M
Well,
I
would
love
com
complete
leniency,
but
if
the
project
has
gone
so
far
beyond
what
we
initially
thought,
we
would
be
dealing
with.
If
I
mean
ideally
right
now,
I
don't
want
to
replace
a
single
one,
though,
when
the
time
comes
to
replace
window.
Absolutely
it's
going
to
go
back
to
a
you
know
an
appropriate
wood
window,
but
that's
I
mean
I
would
not
like
to
pay
for
the
previous
owner's
mistakes
to
to
that
extent,
right
now
again
we're
still
I'm
still
trying
to
fix
it
fix
everything
else.
L
M
One
original
window,
that
is,
he
did
not
touch,
and
that
is
on
the
alley
side
in
the
bedroom.
So
otherwise
there
are
a
one,
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
windows.
Basically,
you
know
two
per
side:
they're,
all
vinyl,.
F
Okay,
I'm
sure
you
have
a
question.
Do
you
know
what
year
those
final
windows
were
installed.
M
I've
tried
to
go
through
all
the
records
and
and
document
you
know.
I
don't,
and
I
know
there
have
been
some
reports
from
inspectors
and
whatnot
have
been
in
the
home
prior
to
my
I
know,
there's
a
fire
in
the
home,
so
I
know
there's
some
documentation
there,
I'm
hoping
that
maybe
some
of
my
guests
behind
me
will
have
some
idea
when
those
changes
occur,
but
it
was
all
done
prior
to
may
2022.
F
Oh,
I
actually,
I
do
have
one
more
question
and
maybe
others
who
are
going
to
testify
can
speak
to
this.
Do
you
happen
to
have
any
photos
of
the
house
prior
to
1990.
M
I've
gone
through
both
the
state,
historical
folks
and
the
city,
and
it
is
the
only
photo
in
in
this
in
the
files.
Thank.
F
H
B
It's
a
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify.
Go
ahead,
kate.
K
You
hear
me
now
yep,
we
can
hear
you.
Okay
thanks,
madam
chairwoman,
kate,
henwood,
116
north
12th
street,
so
I
actually
live
right
down
the
street
from
this
property.
So
I
also
know
it
well
and
have
seen
these
folks
out
there
doing
doing
the
work
you
know.
Of
course
we
would
have
preferred
a
permit
have
been
in
place
prior
to
demolition,
and
you
know
one
of
the
goals
of
our
little
group
is
to
educate
folks.
K
So
they
you
know,
know
ahead
of
time
that
this
you
know
would
fall
within
on
the
requirement
for
a
cfa,
but
you
know
hope
that
any
you
know
at
this
point
obviously
they're
aware
and
hope
that
any
other
forthcoming
or
applicable
changes
would
get
pre-approval.
K
You
know,
but
we
you
know,
agree
that
the
porch
was
in
disrepair
and
and
certainly
needed
attention.
I
guess
one
thing
we
were
curious
about
is
just-
and
commissioner
molloy
mentioned
this
on
the
last
application,
just
kind
of
the
idea
that
we
don't
want
to
mimic
history
and
so
we're
not
quite
clear
on.
If
we
should
be
asking
them,
you
know
clearly
not
changing
the
footprint,
but
if
you
know
design
wise,
so
you
know
that's
been
part
of
the
discussion
so
far,
but
just
we
were
just
curious
about
that.
K
K
B
Right
great,
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
thinking
you
can
answer
that
when
we
discuss
the
project.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience
wishing
to
testify
tonight.
N
M
Well,
it
depends
now
yeah
record,
says:
20:
it's
not
61.
yeah.
N
And
it's
in
the
back
of
the
lot,
but
we're
we're
all
very
happy
to
have
rob
and
his
family
working
on
the
place.
The
history,
especially
the
previous
owner,
was
not
a
great
neighbor
to
say
the
least,
and
so
the
care
that
rob
is
applying
to
the
place.
We're
very
supportive
of
it
and-
and
I
know
obviously
not
getting
the
permit-
was
a
mistake.
But
I
think
he
will
remedy
that
in
the
future.
And
I
just
want
to
lend
my
support
for
what
he's
doing
with
the
location
and
his
intentions
and.
B
N
Don't
know,
but
it
could
have
been
at
3am,
because
the
previous
owner
was
it
was
a
night
owl
and
and
the
machines
you
know,
power
tools
were
going
all
night
and
it
was
probably
within
the
last
five
years
as
my
guess,
and
if
you
take
a
close
look
at
the
house
and
the
pictures
do
a
good
job
at
describing
the
patchwork
that
this
guy
was
trying
to
apply
is
truly
phenomenal.
N
What
he
thought
was
appropriate,
and
so
I
support
rob
taking
a
lot
of
that
down
and
trying
to
create
a
more
historic
or
appropriate
quality
place.
And
I
I
have
a
history
also
with
a
historic
board
in
our
place
and
and
we
first
our
house
was
deemed
non-contributing
and
then
I
remodeled
it
and
then
it
was
deemed
contributing.
N
So
there
was
some
inconsistency
in
what
the
rules
are
and
then
I
want
to
do
an
addition.
Take
down
part
of
our
place,
which
was
dilapidated
in
the
back,
and
they
said
I
couldn't
take
it
down
because
it
was
more
than
50
years
old.
So
the
guidelines
are
confusing,
but
obviously
it's
clear
you
should
have
gotten
certificate
appropriateness,
but
it
sounds
like
you're
quite
clear
on
that.
Anyway,
I'm
just
lending
my
support.
That's
not
all.
I
have
to
say
thanks.
B
L
I'm
tommy
smith
and
I
live
in
1601,
north
10th
and
I'm
actually
somewhat
responsible
for
selling
the
well.
I
was
I
was
the
listing
agent
so
and
I
I
I
knew
that
aesthetically.
It
was
very
unique.
I
I
didn't
realize
it
structurally.
It
was
as
unsound
as
this,
but
but
I
do
know-
and
I
gotten
to
know
rob
I
I
just
kind
of
go
around
the
neighborhood
quite
a
bit
and
he's
done
an
enormous
amount
to
improve
it,
like,
I
think,
ed
well,
the
previous
owner.
L
He
had
like
you,
know
those
slat
closet
doors.
He
used
those
as
window
shades
or
not
siding.
You
know
and
shutters,
and
I
mean.
J
L
Loved
the
the
planner
shades
and
stuff
so
and
did
you
you
took
like
15
loads
to
the
dump
so
yeah
it
was
kind
of
an
eyesore
really
and-
and
I
think
that
rob
has
done
a
lot
to
improve
it
and
and
then
the
other
thing
too
is
I
mean
it
does
set
back
a
fair
amount,
and
I
know
that
in
the
past
there's
been
other
houses
that
it
was
on
ridden
by
that
the
gal
didn't
know
that
she
was
supposed
to
have
wood,
and
so
they
allowed
those
retroactively
and
stuff.
L
And
I
just
like
what
rob
has
done
with
the
house
so
far,
and
I
think
your
the
question
is
that
I
think
ed
bought
the
house
in
like
2008
so
sometime
between
that
time
and
when
he
sold
it
here
last
year.
It
was
that's
probably
one.
It
got
the
final
windows
because,
as
rob
stated
that
ed,
he
worked
out
to
reuse
it
place
and
he
got
first
dibs
on
all
this
stuff,
and
so
there
was
a
window.
He
just
kind
of
cut
the
house
to
fit
the
window.
L
So
I
mean
it's
and
if
you
need
any
trim,
he's
got
another
house
that
we
need
to
sell
and
that
he's
got
like
with
phil.
Oh
okay,
anyway,.
B
O
We,
my
husband
and
I
bought
the
house
and
moved
in
in
november
of
2020,
so
we
haven't
been
there
very
long,
but
we
did
watch
the
transition
of
this
property
from
post-fire
problematic
to
what
it
became
before
it
was
sold
to
what
the
new
owner
has
done,
and
I
mostly
just
want
to
reiterate
and
say
I
second
pretty
much
everything
that
mr
tobin
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
O
I
just
want
to
show
my
support
for
our
new
neighbor
and
say
that
my
house,
actually
my
front
porch,
faces
his
property,
so
I
can
see
everything
on
that
property
directly
from
my
front
porch.
So
I
do
have
substantial
interest
in
what
it
looks
like
and
how
things
are
done
and
so
far
we're
pretty
happy
with
what
we're
seeing
so-
and
I
will
just
say
I
like
the
idea
of
the
open
porch
too
I
mean
we
moved
to
the
neighborhood
in
part
because
it's
a
kind
of
a
front
yard
front.
O
B
Okay,
great
so
you're
welcome
to
come
back
up
and
you'll
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
M
F
Do
have
one
question:
is
your
intention
to
live
in
the
home
with
your
family.
M
Unfortunately,
no
no,
I
have
three
kids
in
a
in
a
one
bedroom.
F
M
No
right
now
we're
just
going
to
make
it
a
rental
and
actually
not
at
the
current
rental
standards,
we're
going
to
make
it
more
of
affordable
rental.
For
I
mean
it's,
there
are
folks
in
dire
need
out
there
we're
going
to
try
to
make
it
a
little
bit
lower
for
those
folks,
there
will
be
an
interview
process.
M
And
long
term
I
mean
we
don't
we
have
not
quite
figured
out
what
we're
going
to
do
with
it.
Yet
the
home
placement
on
the
lot
is
interesting.
It
really
hugs
the
alley
and
so
there's
a
whole
lot
of
green
space
beyond
the
rest.
A
lot
so
maybe
long
term,
we
may
you
know,
go
through
the
direct
process,
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
maybe
you
know
consider
putting
another
another
home
on
the
lot.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
last-minute
questions
for
staff.
G
I'll
open
it
up
for
discussion,
I'm
glad
he's
rehabilitating
the
property.
I
guess
my
concern
is
having
him
take
the
burden
of
fixing
all
of
the
windows
on
the
house.
I
sort
of
like
what
you
were
getting
at
doing.
Maybe
the
the
front-facing
windows
at
this
time,
and
then
maybe
I
don't
know
if
we
could
condition
it
that
they
have
to
do
it.
You
know
later
in
a
couple
of
years,
but
at
least
not
all
of
them
all
at
once,
because
he
didn't
do
it.
F
Manager,
if
I
can
add
to
that
yeah,
I
totally
agree
and
just
from
a
sustainability
standpoint.
If,
if
these
vinyl
windows
have
been
installed
at
some
point
in
the
last
15
years,
they
could
potentially
still
have
some
lifespan
and
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
throw
something-
that's
perfectly
functioning,
even
though
it's
not
ideal
and
does
not
fit
within
our
guidelines.
I
still
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
throw
them
out.
So
I
would
I
would
support
a
condition
that
they
be
replaced.
A
Madam
chair,
commissioner
montoto,
it
would
be
difficult
to
put
a
timeline
on
it,
but
assuming
the
windows
are
replaced
through
the
proper
process
we
would
require.
You
know
when
these
windows
hit
the
end
of
their
lifespan.
They're
replaced
will
require
that
they're
metal,
clad
wood,
wood
or
or
fiberglass
as
long
as
the
proper
process
is
followed,
so
it
isn't
super
necessary
to
place
some
sort
of
future
restriction
will
require.
It.
F
Then,
in
that
case,
thank
you
josh.
I
would.
I
would
support
the
staff's
recommendations
of
approval
at
this
point
with
no
mention
of
the
windows
at
this
time.
B
Great,
so
is
there
any
other
discussion.
I
B
I
I
agree
I
would.
I
would
recommend
to
keep
that
recommendation
to
do
the
horizontal
lap,
siding
and
match
the
house,
as
recommended.
F
I'm
hap
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
unless
there's
any
other
discussion.
I
move
to
approve
item
drh
22.0030,
based
on
staff's
findings
and
analysis
contained
within
the
staff
report.
Okay,.
B
F
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
realize
that
yeah
then
I
will
sh.
Can
I
amend
my
motion.
I
amend
my
motion
to
be.
I
move
to
approve.