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Work Session & Hearing - February 28, 2022
A
So,
on
the
work
session
tonight
we
have
a.
We
have
a
discussion.
That's
been
requested
to
talk
about
alternative
trim
materials
in
the
historic
district.
I
don't
have
an
update
on
the
zoning
code
rewrite
and
then
we
have
a
few
housekeeping
items
and
then
we
go
through
the
agenda
so
we'll
get
started
with
with
the
discussion
on
the
alternate
materials.
A
So
we
had.
We
were
approached
by
a
contractor
who's
here
tonight.
Basically,
a
smooth
finish:
hardy
board
has
become
extremely
difficult
to
get
here
locally
and
they
are
wishing
to
discuss
some
alternative
materials.
That
would
be
acceptable
and
tim
bowden
is
here
tonight.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him.
B
C
C
C
There
is,
as
you
guys
know,
true
wood
and
mirror
tech
are
the
two
composite
based
composite
wood
or
composite
resin.
That
is
disallowed
with
the
way
that
the
coas
are
being
written.
The
the
on
page
8487
of
the
guidelines
it
does
allow
the
use
of
composite
resin
wood
as
long
as
it's
smooth
out
and
that's
what's
been
happening.
Is
that
you
just
this,
is
what
it's
shipped
as
and
you
flip
it
so
a
long
time
ago.
C
That's
just
what
was
happening
is
that
you
would
flip
it
and
adhere
to
the
smooth
finish,
but
I
think
over
the
course
of
the
last
couple
years
the
coas
have
been
written
that
we're
not
allowed
to
use
composite
resin
wood.
So
I'm
not
complaining
about
that
at
all.
That's
your
guy's
prerogative
and
your
decision.
I
just
am
looking
for
you,
know
some
alternatives
and
for
some
help
from
a
contractor
again,
you
can
drive
around
the
north
end
and
pick
out
any
project
a
lot
of
projects.
C
I
wrote
an
email
to
josh,
there's
one
right
on
24th,
it's
massive
and
it's
all
true
wood
and
I'm
a
small
builder,
and
I
want
to
adhere
to
the
historic
guidelines
and
your
guys's
direction.
So
I
have
a
couple
samples
of
sorry.
This
is
all
I
could
find.
This
is
actually
true
wood
and
I'm
gonna
hand.
Another.
C
A
C
It
is
made
from
byproducts
of
coal-fired
facilities,
so
it
is
actually
the
company
is.
The
u.s
is
part
of
the
u.s
green
building
code
or
building
council
member.
It's
certified
recycled
material
and
it's
this
is
poly
ash
and
it's
made
from
it's
recyclable
material
from
a
coal-fired
plant.
So
it
actually
and
then
this
one
is
sorry
coffee
stains.
C
It
was
in
my
truck,
so
this
one's
actually
party-
and
so,
if
you
look
at
them
side
by
side
and
and
like
touch
them
and
feel
them,
and
this
one's
only
a
little
bit
lighter,
but
it
it
mirrors
that
it's
it,
you
can
actually
bury
it
below
grade
and
it
doesn't
take
on
water.
It
doesn't
swell
so
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
about
this
material.
E
A
Item
number
5.7.3
says:
use
wood
or
painted
composite
wood,
resin
or
fiber
cement,
siding
as
building
materials
and
new
construction,
and
then
in
the
next
section
about
green
building
materials,
it
does
say
it
is
not
appropriate
to
use
synthetic
materials
which
are
not
proven
to
be
durable
or
difficult
to
repair
and
recycle
or
may
employ
harsh
manufacturing
methods.
So
that's
that's
the
sections
of
the
guidelines
that
kind
of
discuss,
alternative
materials.
C
C
We
100
could
go
with
all
wood
based
products,
if
that's
the
decision,
but
the
current
guidelines
do
allow
composite
resin,
it's
just
under
the
seal
ways
that
have
been
written
over
the
last
couple
years.
It's
been
disallowed,
which
I'm
I'm
not
mad
at
I'm
just
now.
It's
really
a
problem
because
availability.
C
C
Call
I
actually,
I
was
the
reason
why
I
found
it
is
because
I
was
in
portland
in
salem
and
there
was
a
a
company
similar
to
franklin
building
supply.
They
had
used
bruhl
on
the
front,
so
I
went
in
to
chat
with
them
because
it
it
mirrored.
It
looked
like
hearty
to
me.
So
that's
why
I
was
asking
them.
It's
super
expensive.
It's
not
the
you
know
it's.
It's
probably
probably
three
times
the
amount
as
hardy,
so
it's
not
cheap
and
hardy's.
C
C
C
I
typically
will
use
true
wood
prior
to
using
prior
to
the
last
two
years,
but
now
I
only
use
while
we
use
it
on
the
corners.
The
bottom
bands
and
like
fascia
everything
else,
is
siding
either
milled
to
match
or
hardy,
because
you
can
still
get
hardy,
smooth,
siding,
which
is
crazy
to
me,
while
they're
not
making
trim
pieces
for
their
product.
F
Madam
chair,
this
is
koski.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay?
Yes,
I
can
okay,
I
got
a
few
comments.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
tim.
Thank
you
for
coming
by
tim
did
reach
out
to
me
a
while
back
being
in
the
building
materials
business
that
I
am
here
and
the
building
industry
which
he
is
he
reached
out
to
me
with
some
of
these
concerns,
and
I
I
suggested
he
come,
you
know,
give
him
josh
his
number
and
suggest
you
go
to
josh
and
bring
some
samples
by
so.
F
F
If
people
are
using
it
and
and
you
and
I
know,
people
are
and
they're
not
supposed
to
be-
and
you
know
they
shouldn't
be
it's
in
their
coas
and
then
it's
a
matter
of
how
we
get
those
reported,
how
we
enforce
it.
So
we've
made
some
great
starts
as
a
commission,
but
we
have
ways
to
go
on
that.
So
I'm
going
to
leave
that
discussion
for
another
time.
I
do
you,
you
do
talk
about
wood
and
really
wood
is
what
was
used
in
our
period
of
significance.
F
F
I
would
I'm
not
a
painter,
but
I
would
disagree
with
the
oil
based
primer.
I
there's
some
benefits
to
elaborate
primer
for
sure,
but
I
I
think
that
probably
could
be
argued
and
wood's
available
right
now
and
from
a
building
material
side,
you
name
the
product.
There's
extended
lead
times
if
it's
wood,
if
it's
hardy,
if
it's
windows,
if
it's
roofing,
everything's
a
mess
right
now,
because
the
supply
chain,
so
I
understand
those
struggles,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
brand
hardy
is
the
only
source
for
a
cement
material.
F
The
other
comment
I
have
is
one
of
the
reasons:
a
fiber
cement
material.
I
believe
we
allow
is
that
actually
fiber
cement
was
a
material
used.
Historically,
there
was
siding
that
made
out
of
that
material.
So,
from
an
historical
perspective,
that
is
a
material
that
was
used
during
the
period
of
significance,
so
we
believe
that
to
be
okay
on
the
trim
side,
I
actually
disagree
with
within
using
anything
besides
wood,
we
have
wood,
it's
available,
it's
renewable,
it's
easy
to
work
with
so
is,
and
you
can
get
it
so.
C
So
I
have
two
or
a
couple
things
yeah.
We
had
a
discussion.
I
appreciate
you
telling
me
to
go
to
josh
and
that's
why
I'm
here
and
so
just
to
have
that
discussion,
I'm
not.
I
will
try
to
abide
by
most
or
not
most,
but
every
rule
that
I
can
within
the
guidelines
I
mean
I
have
a
house
lifted
off
the
ground
at
14th
street
and
it's
it
trying
to
save
a
house
that
you
guys
denied
for
for
demolition.
C
You
know,
and
maybe
some
look
at
you
know
maybe
boral
borals
out
there
and
I
think
if
you
compared
materials,
if
you
then,
if
you,
if
you
held
that,
I
think
you
would
probably
they
mirror
each
other
and
that's
readily
available.
There
are
two
cement
based
products,
hardy
and
allura
allura.
You
cannot
even
get
right
now
for
whatever
reason
and
then
there's
hardy
who's,
no
longer
shipping
west
of
the
mississippi.
C
So
we
could,
probably
you
know,
argue
about
the.
I
mean
woods,
fine,
it's
it's
super
expensive
as
well,
but
the
maintenance
for
a
homeowner
is
super
tough.
I
mean.
If
you
drive
around
the
north
end,
you
could
see
paint
pilling
all
over,
so
that
would
be
my
argument
against
just
use
of
wood.
I
do
like
hardy
and
I
do
like
cement
based
products
because
they
retain
wood
or
they
retain
paint
super
easy.
D
C
C
It's
just
availability
and
you
touched
on
it.
Mr
koski.
It's
enforcement
is
a
big
issue.
I
absolutely
support
this.
You
know
the
demolition
piece
that
you
guys
just
passed.
If
somebody
demos-
and
I
support
the
you-
know
those
types
of
enforcement
pieces,
it's
just
siding
is
not
something
that's
being
enforced
right
now,
unfortunately,
but
that's
why
I
came
and
brought
moral
to
you
guys
so.
D
F
I
did
I
did
actually
reach
out
to
some
other
contractors
to
knowing
that
we
were
having
this
work
session.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
is
in
the
room
there
or
if
anyone's
online.
That
has
any
other
comments,
but
madam
chair
I
did
I
did.
I
did
reach
out
to
others
to
say:
hey
come
on,
we
got.
We
got
a
good
work
session
here
and
I
and
tim's
got
some
stuff
to
show
us.
So
if
anyone's
there
I'll,
let
you
handle
that.
But
that's
all
I
had
manager.
E
C
C
So
hot
bottom
bands,
middle
bands,
mid
bands
or
belly
bands,
your
fascia,
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
yes,
you
could
use
wood.
I
just
I
think,
there's
we
already
allow
on
new
construction.
We
already
allow
alternative
material.
You
know
whether
it
be
a
you
know:
a
metal
roof.
They
allow
that
on
new
construction
and
maybe
there's
some
leeway
on
new
construction
versus
remodeling.
E
A
E
G
G
The
one
thing
that
I
will
say
about
hardy
board
smooth
face.
It
is
probably
one
of
their
lines
that
has
the
least
demand
and
the
least
production
on
it.
They
manufacture
more
of
a
textured
material,
really
the
only
when
I've
talked
with
franklin
building
supply
really
the
only
area
they
sell.
The
smith
faces
for
the
historic
district,
with
the
demand
that
we
have
in
our
construction
industry.
G
It
will
be
a
continue
issue
in
the
north
end
as
the
demand
on
people
wanting
to
remodel
their
homes
in
the
north
end,
because
there's
nowhere
to
build
and
obviously
the
cost
to
to
buy
a
new
home
is
as
high.
So
you
know,
I
think,
we're
just
looking
for
alternative
solutions
fairly
quickly,
not
to
have
breakout
sessions,
and
you
know
prolongedness.
So
you
know
I
would
ask
that
you
maybe
there's
a
short-term
solution
where
you
allow
a
textured
hardy
board
product
until
the
industry
can
come
back
to.
G
A
Just
direction
from
the
commission
on
appropriate
materials
under
that
section
the
guidelines
about
composite
wood
composites.
You
know
it
does
reference
synthetic
materials
that
are
harmful,
not
being
appropriate.
So
I
think
you
know
tim
and
others
were
looking
for
some
direction
on
what
could
be
approved,
and
I
think
we
were
looking
to
you
as
well.
E
E
I
you
know
really
helpful
if
we
had
some
sort
of-
and
it
might
take
a
little
while
to
put
it
together
but
a
chart
of
options
and
then
it
maybe
compares
them,
and
so
you
could
understand
the
differences
between
them
and
what
has
what
is
approved,
especially
maybe
the
materials
and
how
they
compared
with.
What's
in
our
guidelines,
as
well
as
warranty,
information
and
durability,
those
kinds
of
things
would
be
really
helpful.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
somebody
could
put
together
and
and
provide
us
to
take
a
look
at
I
mean.
H
E
Going
to
help
anybody,
but
it
would
be
helpful
and
then
how
long
is
that,
for
if
it's
temporary,
is
there
a
recommendation?
Do
we
say
okay
for
the
next
year,
you
can
use
these
products
and
then
we're
going
to
say
we'll
reevaluate
then,
and
if
it's
you
know
back
to
normal,
we
can
stop
doing
that.
I
mean,
I
guess
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
parameters.
In
my
mind
to
this.
F
We
have
approved
materials
available
for
use,
you
can
use
wood,
that's
actually
preferred
you
can
get
it.
We
do
have
smooth
fiber
concrete,
based
material
available
in
this
market.
It's
not
hardy
board,
but
their
allure
is
one
that
was
mentioned
and
it
is
available.
So
the
we
kind
of
get
this
request
every
year
or
two
it
seems
and
at
the
root
of
it
it
seems
to
come
down
to
what
is
the
least
expensive
material
and
that's
what's
desired.
F
Obviously,
there's
some
material
shortage
issues
going
on,
but
that's
across
the
industry,
and
I
don't
think
it
affects
the
compliance
that
we
currently
have
in
the
sea
of
aids.
This
is
my
opinion.
You
can
get
wood,
you
can
get
smooth
fiber-based
cement
from
allure.
I
don't
think
we
need
my
opinions.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
make
any
change
at
all
right
now
you
can
get
it
lead
times
are
longer,
maybe
it's
more
money,
but
that
is
not
something.
That
is
something
that
cfa
is
about.
F
So
I
I
personally
like
as
a
commission,
I
think
we
should
have
some
more
educational
work
sessions
on
the
building
material
side,
to
really
help
give
the
city
staff
a
better
guidance
and
make
things
easier
for
the
applicants
and
make
things
easier
for
mr
cobb
and
tim
and
and
all
the
builders.
But
I
do
disagree
with
them.
Both
you
can
get
material
so.
I
I'm
sure
if
I
may
yep
I
I
would
love
to
hear
from
the
other
contractor
who
is
online
right
now,
but
before
that-
and
perhaps
maybe
this
contractor
can
answer
this
question-
I
I
would
like
to
know,
as
commissioner
koski
is
bringing
up,
that
he
believes
it
seems
to
be
a
cost
issue
between
the
two
materials,
not
so
much
a
availability
issue.
I
would
like
to
know
from
a
contractor
what
the
cost
difference
between
the
two
materials
is
meaning
would
and
the
hardy
in
question.
I
And,
additionally,
you
know
my
personal
thought
we
are
in
a
pandemic.
This
is
historic
in
its
own
right
and
I
think
that
allowing
use
of
an
additional
material
for,
like
you
said
in
a
certain
number
of
years,
a
certain
parameter-
might
make
sense
in
this
situation,
because,
as
one
of
the
contractors
mentioned,
it's
it's
near
impossible
to
build
anywhere
and
the
cost
of
remodeling
in
general
is
astronomical.
I
J
J
A
K
K
Just
first
of
all
like
to
say
thank
you
to
mr
cobb,
mr
bodwin,
for
coming
out
and
discussing
this
issue
and
and
trust
me,
I'm
I'm
right
there
with
mr
cobb,
mr
bodwin.
As
far
as
current
availability
for
hardy,
you
know
I've
been
having
long
conversations
with
my
material
suppliers
over
the
past.
It's
not
something.
That's
been
a
surprise
by
any
means.
It's
not
like
this
came
apart.
K
You
know
two
three
weeks
ago
or
even
six
months
ago,
this
has
been
an
ongoing
issue
with
hardy.
Since
you
know
early
2021
and
was
even
kind
of
starting
to
poke
its
head
up.
You
know
late
2020.
As
far
as
you
know,
hardy's
manufacture,
manufacturing
capabilities
in
in
america.
Also
in
australia,
I
mean
they
shut
everything
down
in
australia.
K
They
shut
down
two
plants,
one
south
of
south
carolina
and
then
stopped
production
on
building
another
plant
alabama.
So
they,
the
availability
of
hardy
right
now,
is
really
tough
and
and
like
both
mr
cobb,
mr
bowden,
said
the
smooth
hardy
specifically
the
trim
materials
trim
materials.
Are
you
can't
even
get
them
because
they're
not
even
manufacturing
anymore,
smooth
panel
and
smooth
siding
it
is
available?
We
can
get
it,
but
the
allocations
to
west
of
the
mississippi
or
west
of
the
rocky
mountains
is
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
K
So
those
lead
times
are
going
to
be
considerably
longer
we're
talking.
You
know
in
return,
8
12,
you
know
maybe
16
weeks
on
the
outside,
but
if
you
plan
ahead
far
enough,
you
know
you
can
get
it
as
far
as
other
products
that
could
possibly
be.
You
know
considered.
You
know,
commissioner
weaver.
Obviously
you
know
a
lot
more
information
is
going
to
have
to
be
provided.
As
far
as
you
know,
what
those
materials
are,
what
the
warranties
are,
what
those
materials
look
like.
K
Allura
is
a
good
option.
Speaking
with
my
material
supplier
over
the
past
week
lead
times
and
allure
is
anywhere
between
four
and
six
weeks
right
now,
and
that
is
a
semester's
base
of
fiber
cement
based
siding
material
and
it
does
come
smooth
and
it
does
have
all
of
the
trims
available
with
it
as
well.
K
I
I
completely
agree
with
commissioner
koski
that
wood
is
a
very
much
preferred
product
for
cladding
homes,
especially
in
our
historic
districts,
and
it
is
available
the
last
two
projects
that
we're
doing
recently,
one
on
harrison
boulevard
and
one
on
the
corner
of
10th
and
thatcher.
We
have
used
a
clear
vertical
grain
cedar
as
our
exterior
cladding
material
on
all
the
siding
and
all
the
trims.
K
K
K
The
warranty
on
it
is
a
30-year
limited
warranty
and
when
they
say
limited,
you
better
read
the
fine
print
and
you
better,
install
it
and
protect
it
exactly
how
the
manufacturer
wants
it,
or
else
it
will
fail.
You
see
it
all
over
the
valley.
You
see
it
in
all
of
the
major
home
developments
all
across
boise
and
meridian
and
nampa
and
caldwell,
because
that's
all
they
use
and
there's
a
reason
why
they
use
it.
K
I
mean
it
gets
the
job
done
fast,
it's
inexpensive
and
it's
efficient,
but
never
is
it
installed
per
exact
manufacturer
specifications.
There's
always
going
to
be
some
sort
of
hiccup
in
that
and
for
our
historic
districts.
It's
it's
not
the
right
product.
There
are
other
products.
Like
mr
bodwin
mentioned
morale,
that's
a
fantastic
product.
K
It
does
come
in
a
cost
premium,
but
it
is
a
fantastic
product
it
it.
It
truly
shows
what
what
a
manufactured
product
can
do
as
far
as
warranty
and
lifetime
and
and
how
it
performs
in
weather.
So
I
I
think
you
know
having
the
conversation
about
allowing
different
types
of
products
and
maybe
not
specific
manufacturers.
K
You
know
hardy,
they
kind
of
ran
that
kind
of
niche
market
for
so
long
that
everybody's,
like,
oh
you
know
it's
like
it's
like.
When
people
used
to
talk
about
snowboarding,
they
called
it
burton
boarding.
You
know
because
burton
was
the
main
manufacturer.
Well,
hardy
was
the
main
manufacturer
of
cement-based
type
of
sided
materials,
and
so
everybody
just
kind
of
defaulted
to
hardy.
K
But
if
we
can
entertain
different
manufacturers
like
allura
or
bural,
or
you
know
another
manufacturer
that
we
can
come
up
with
and
and
do
a
little
bit
of
comparison
to
the
to
to
what
hardy
is,
I
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
come
up
with
some
different
siding
materials
and
exterior
cladding
materials.
That
would
be
more
than
acceptable
in
historic
president
in
historic
districts,.
E
A
A
G
So
if
we
put
together
a
project
with
a
budget
using
the
material,
that's
approved
like
hardy
board
and
we
run
into
these
issues
and
then
we're
being
told
to
use
wood
which
has
a
I'm
assuming
a
much
higher
price
point.
You
know
it
can
be
a
deal
breaker
right
and-
and
that
isn't
just
something
you
spring
on
your
client
right.
So
you
have
to
give
us
options
that
are
approved
to
use.
G
That
you
know
or
have
some
type
of
equality
to
them,
because
I
think,
if
we're
using
you
know
cement
board
or
cement
based
products
like
a
hardy
board,
if
it's
more
cost
effective,
then
of
course
you
know
the
customer
wants
to
use
it
because
it's
easier
on
their
budget
and
when
we
run
into
problems
like
this
and
we
have
to
come
up
with
alternatives
and
we
say:
okay,
hey,
look!
Our
only
alternative
is
to
use
wood.
D
G
It's
a
it's
a
difficult
conversation
to
have,
but
it
is
an
issue,
but
if
those
are
the
approved
materials,
people
are
using
party
board
because
it's
more
cost
effective
right.
So
take
that
into
consideration,
I
guess
when
you're
having
these
conversations,
I
think
it's
a
pretty
valid
one.
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
L
We're
now
moving
forward
with
some
of
those
development
and
design
standards.
Much
of
what
we've
been
talking
about
today.
So
we
would
talk
about
building
heights
setbacks
lot
sizes,
anything
that
you
will
actually
make
a
development
to
look
and
feel
different,
make
it
feel
pedestrian
oriented
those
types
of
things
and
so
module.
L
As
part
of
that,
we
will
be
touching
bases
with
a
number
of
regional
locations
throughout
the
city,
so
that
we
geographically
visit
each
one
of
the
the
areas
of
our
city.
We
will
also
be
doing
a
public
survey
as
well
as
some
large
general
community
conversations,
as
well
as
we're
doing
that
community
outreach
as
a
staff.
L
Make
sure
that
we
have
heard
from
our
community
we'll
consolidate
each
one
of
those
modules,
one
two
and
three
into
a
large
document
which
we'll
call
our
consolidated
plan,
and
then
we
will
go
ahead
and
ask
for
some
additional
public
outreach
and
some
public
input
in
regard
to
that.
With
our
end
goal
of
july
2023
for
a
finished
document,
which
we
can
begin
the
review
and
approve
full
process,
so
we
will
take
it
to
planning
and
zoning
first
for
a
formal
recommendation
and
then
move
on
to
city
council
for
final
review
and
approval.
L
So
we
do
want
to
go
over
some
of
those
module.
Two
changes
just
to
give
you
a
high
level
overview
of
what's
happening,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
this
over
to
my
colleague,
deanna
dupuy
and
she's,
going
to
walk
you
through
that
then
you're
also
going
to
hear
from
lindsay
moser
about
our
community
outreach
and
then,
if
you
have
any
questions,
then
will
be
available
for
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
M
But
there's
a
lot
of
nitty
gritty
in
there
that
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
as
well.
Our
first
one
is
that
we
are
updating
our
dimensional
requirements
and
specifically
our
minimum
lot
sizes.
So
this
would
apply
to
the
zone
districts
that
the
historic
guidelines
cover
and
so
we're
proposing
smaller
minimum
lot
sizes
for
most
residential
zones
and
we've
seen
that
smaller
lot
sizes
really
increase
housing
types
and
different
types
of
products,
neighborhood,
income,
diversity
and
then
reducing
sprawl.
M
Additionally,
we're
proposing
to
remove
the
density
calculation
for
so
the
dens
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
instead,
what
we'll
be
doing
to
measure
control
development
is
really
looking
at
design
and
performance
criteria
to
assess
impact
and
to
determine
how
buildings
should
be
built.
So,
instead
of
using
the
limit
of
say,
10
dwelling
units
per
acre,
which
this
picture
shows
really
well,
it's
going
to
cap
a
number
of
units
that
could
be
built.
But
even
if
you
met
all
of
the
setback
requirements,
the
height,
you
could
actually
fit
10
units
there.
M
So
you'll
see
the
buildings,
look
identical.
The
only
difference
that
we're
seeing
from
the
outside
is
additional
parking
and
that
we
would
allow
that
our
next
proposed
change
is
that
we
are
adding
neighborhood
protection
standards.
So
this
is,
we
don't
have
this
in
our
code
currently,
but
if
you're
in
a
lower
density
residential
zone-
and
you
will
butt
up
to
what
we're
proposing
is
new
mix
mixed-use
zones,
you
would
be
guaranteed
some
required
additional
setback.
Rules
about
lighting
vehicle
uses
so
providing
some
of
that
transition
between
neighborhoods.
M
We're
also
expanding
our
incentives
so
including
a
new
incentive
for
sustainable
and
resilience
development,
so
providing
a
parking
reduction
for
energy
and
water
saving
improvements,
and
this
is
really
to
help
make
some
progress.
We
recognize
that
some
of
these
improvements
may
be
expensive,
so
helping
us
to
make
progress
on
our
climate
action
goals.
M
This
one
is
fun
for
our
public,
but
what
we're
proposing
is
requiring
only
one
off
street
parking
spot
for
single
family
duplex
triplex
and
four
plexes
we've
seen
that
that's
been
a
historic
way
that
the
city
has
developed
over
time
until
we
added
the
two
units
or
two
cars
spots
per
unit
and
really
what
we're
looking
at
is.
41
percent
of
boise
residents
only
have
one
car
or
fewer,
and
we
believe
that
you
know
it's
not
the
most
efficient
use
of
land
and
by
reducing
the
required
parking.
M
We
are
also
proposing
that
we
would
expand
the
building
and
site
design
standards
to
all
new
development
across
the
city.
So
this
is
the
design
review
guidelines
and
with
the
thought
that
all
of
our
cities,
not
just
specific
streets
or
all
areas
of
our
city,
not
just
specific
streets,
should
be
high
quality.
M
And
then
this
change
and
the
next
change
are
adding
new
sections
to
our
code,
which
we
did
not
have
before,
which
was
per
our
one,
is
a
chapter
on
access
and
connectivity.
So
we
know
there's
a
lot
of
best
practices
in
site,
design
that
ensure
more
efficient
and
safe
circulation
around
a
site
so
spelling
out
those
requirements,
and
it's
really
a
way
to
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
making
progress
on
those
safety
and
efficient
mobility
goals
that
we
have
in
blueprint.
M
N
Good
evening,
commissioners,
now
I
will
present
our
module
two
community
engagement
plan,
a
few
things
that
we
learned
from
module.
One
is
that
we
just
really
need
to
take
our
time
and
through
module
2,
it's
a
large
document
over
400
pages
and
make
sure
to
focus
on
those
quality
conversations
within
the
community.
N
So
in
advance
of
releasing
module
2,
we
put
together
a
couple
documents
for
the
community
that
are
available
on
our
website.
The
first
one
was
how
to
read
module
2.
again.
We
know
that
not
everybody
will
pick
up
over
400
page
documents.
So
this
is
just
a
couple:
helpful
tips
on
how
to
read
module
2,
maybe
some
common
questions
and
chapters
that
might
be
of
importance
to
the
public
and
then
also
a
fun
little
guide
throughout
module.
N
N
The
third
material
is
the
conversion
map.
This
is
an
interactive
map
story,
map
on
using
the
gis
system
on
our
website.
You
can
zoom
in
zoom
out
and
so
on.
The
left
you'll
see
the
proposed
zoning
districts
and
then
on
the
right.
You'll
see
the
current
zoning
district
so
anywhere
within
this
map,
you
could
type
in
your
own
address.
You
could
type
in
any
address
that
you
know
zoom
in
click
on
it
and
it'll,
be
all
color
coded
coordinated
and
give
you
all
of
the
details
on
those
zoning
districts.
N
N
So
far,
we've
had
a
couple
of
them
and
we
also
tied
in
a
couple
conversations
with
housing
and
zoning
code
in
our
wintertime
housing
outreach
zoning
code
continued
to
be
a
topic
that
came
up
within
the
two,
so
we
thought
we
wanted
to
bridge
the
gap
and
have
those
together.
These
are
the.
These
are
only
the
outward
facing
events,
we're
also
working
with
a
lot
of
more
technical
groups.
N
N
A
couple
of
the
items
that
we
have,
as
we
know
are
the
housing
needs
analysis.
We
have
new
climate
action,
roadmap
and
goals,
we
have
a
cross
disability
task,
force,
recommendation
pathways,
master
plan
and
again
really
tying
those
all
together
and,
as
you
saw
in
the
examples
that
deanna
gave,
we
try
to
tie
those
in
for
each
of
the
neighborhood
planning
areas.
We
wanted
to
give
a
more
visual
idea
to
the
public
on
what
this
might
look
like
in
their
neighborhood.
N
So
within
each
of
the
neighborhoods,
we
worked
with
a
local
architect
to
provide
a
commercial
example
and
a
resident
residential
example.
So
we
provide
a
picture
of
what
the
area
looks
like
now
and
then
it
redesigned
and
what
it
can
look
like
with
redevelopment.
Following
the
zoning
code
changes.
We
then
provide
call
outs,
kind
of
highlighting
here's
35
feet,
high,
here's,
the
setbacks,
here's
the
pathway,
street
trees,
etc.
N
We
also
just
released
a
survey.
Last
week
we
have
a
couple
different
surveys:
we
have
a
community
focused
survey,
really
breaking
down
over
the
eight
major
changes
that
deanna
went
to
and
then
asking
for
feedback
from
the
community.
We
also
translated
that
into
spanish,
and
then
we
have
a
technical
user
survey,
people
that
really
are
using
the
the
zoning
code
day
in
and
day
out,
pretty
much
that
might
be
able
to
provide
more
concrete
feedback
to
us
as
well,
and
that
will
be
open
through
april
10th,
and
that
is
the
conclusion
of
our
presentation.
N
Today
we
have
a
lot
of
outreach
events
coming
up.
We
encourage
you
guys.
We
have
some
on
zoom,
we
have
some
in
person.
We've
had
some
of
our
other
commissioners
and
city
council
members
present
as
well.
I'm
just
to
hear
what
the
community
is
saying
on
module
two.
So
with
that
any
questions
or
comments
for
us
thank.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
just
a
couple
of
housekeeping
items
and
then
we
can
go
through
the
agenda.
Real,
quick.
I
did
want
to
introduce
our
new
senior
historic
planner
he's
with
us
tonight,
nathan
hallam.
I
believe
that
some
of
you
may
have
met
him
in
various
workings.
He
is
active
in
the
preservation
community
in
boise
and
will
be
a
really
fantastic
asset
to
the
city.
So
I'm
super
happy
to
have
him
on
board.
A
And
then
another
little
quick
item,
some
of
you
may
have
seen
or
heard
about
an
illegal
house
move
on
mckinley
street
in
the
east
end.
I
know
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
about
it,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
quick,
a
quick
rundown
of
what's
going
to
happen,
so
the
new,
premature
alterations,
ordinance
that
was
pat,
that
you
that
was
presented
to
you,
probably
back
in
november
and
then
was
passed
by
city
council
in
december
and
january,
is
in
effect
on
what
that
does
is.
A
It
requires
us
to
prepare
a
premature
alterations
report
on
illegal
work,
such
as
that
house
move
that
did
take
place.
It
started
to
take
place
without
any
permitting.
We
will
be
preparing
that
report
working
with
the
applicant
neighborhood
association
through
the
requirements
of
the
ordinance
to
negotiate
to
a
solution.
We
would
bring
that
solution
to
this
commission
timing-wise.
It
just
depends
how
quickly
we
can
get
that
done.
It
may
be
the
march
hearing
or
the
april
hearing.
A
You
know
there
is
the
opportunity
for
the
six-month
delay
in
code.
I
don't
know
that
having
a
house
cut
in
half
for
six
months
benefits
anybody
right.
You
know
we
certainly
want
to
go
through
the
proper
procedure,
but
I
think
getting
a
premature
alterations
report
to
you
with
some
recommended
mitigation
more
quickly
than
six
months
is
beneficial
in
this
situation,
so
you
will
be
seeing
that
come
forward
great.
I
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that
and
then
the
last
thing
we'll
just
go
through
the
agenda:
real
quick.
A
D
A
E
D
E
E
E
J
F
B
E
E
F
F
I
E
J
B
E
E
E
K
E
E
E
Will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda,
I
then
move
that
the
consent
agenda
and
all
items
on
the
consent
agenda
be
approved,
subject
to
all
the
findings
and
conclusions
and
conditions
of
approval
agreed
upon
for
each
application.
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll?
Second,
thank
you
christina.
Can
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
E
D
E
E
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
this
is
a
adoption
of
revised
findings
for
an
item
that
was
denied
at
last
month's
hearing.
I
do,
I
think
I
know
where
commissioner
koski
was
going
with
his
comments
on
the
minutes.
We
do
have
some
changes
to
the
findings
that
were
included
in
the
packet,
so
in
the
findings
in
the
packet
we
did
kind
of
condense.
Some
of
the
findings
stated
in
the
motion.
You
know
combined
all
the
items
under
5.2,
5.3
and
5.4.
A
E
B
E
D
A
D
J
B
E
A
Thank
you,
ma'am
sure.
As
you
mentioned,
this
item
was
on
last
month's
agenda.
There
was
a
request
for
more
information
made
to
the
applicant
in
the
form
of
some
revised
drawings,
some
additional
materials
on
what
the
existing
garage
consisted
of
and
then
also
to
include
the
historic
survey
in
the
packet.
A
So
just
as
a
refresher,
this
property
is
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
brumback
and
18th
street,
and
the
applicant
has
requested
to
expand
an
existing
single-story
garage.
They
would
add
on
to
the
site
of
it
and
create
a
one
and
a
half
story
structure
with
a
full
two-car
garage
and
some
storage.
Above
again,
there
were
some
details
requested
in
terms
of
the
garage
design
from
the
applicant,
so
they
did
provide
some
revised
perspectives
that
are
in
your
packet
detailing
the
design
of
the
structure
and
the
materials.
A
A
E
O
O
O
O
The
addition
will
also
delineate
from
the
original
garage
with
a
gabled
roof
instead
of
a
hipped
roof,
plus
the
addition
walls
are
taller.
This
will
allow
historians
to
tell
there
was
an
addition.
If
someone
wanted
to
return
the
garage
back
to
the
original,
they
could,
because
all
the
original
exterior
material
will
be
there,
the
brick
and
the
sandstone
on
the
window
sales
there's
some
additional
photos
in
the
packet.
O
O
There's
also
a
big
pine
tree
in
the
property
owner's
yard,
which
will
obscure
your
view
from
the
addition
there's
the
big
pine
tree
and
that's
what
you
can
see
from
the
public
right
away.
You,
you
can't
even
see
the
garage,
but
you
can
also
tell
from
the
pictures
taken
in
the
alley
how
tight
it
is
to
get
into
the
garage
for
one.
O
O
So
bill
and
carol
say
to
the
historical
preservation.
Commissioners,
we
would
like
to
extend
the
current
garage
on
our
property
to
make
it
usable.
We
cannot
currently
park
a
car
in
the
garage.
The
opening
is
too
narrow
to
allow
us
to
pull
into
the
garage.
In
addition,
the
alley
is
narrow,
requiring
a
much
larger
opening
than
currently
exists
for
a
car
to
make
it
make
the
turn
into
the
garage.
O
O
E
O
Okay-
I
just
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I
love
the
north
end
and
I
really
would
like
to
preserve
as
much
as
we
can
and
we
are
still
making
history,
so
I
know
that
homes
have
had
additions
or
changes
to
them.
You
know
75
years
ago
and
now
that's
part
of
the
history
of
the
house,
and
so
as
long
as
we're
thoughtful
about
what
we
do,
we
can
preserve
and
make
beautiful
new
history.
Thank
you.
So
much.
E
E
F
F
Yeah
sorry,
I
would
like
to
offer
discussion
and
mostly
just
a
comment
back
to
the
applicant.
We
asked
for
more
information
in
our
last
meeting
and
more
details,
and-
and
I
just
want
to
to
thank
the
applicant
for
for
doing
that-
for
us
and
helping
us
see
a
better
picture
of
what's
there
and
I
hope
I
hope
to
see
more
projects
from
her
in
the
future.
So
thank
you.
J
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
application
tonight
because,
as
a
preservationist,
we
look
at
buildings
that
are
individually
eligible
for
listing.
We
look
at
the
landscape
features.
We
look
at
garages,
we
look
at
carriage
houses,
all
those
things
so
out
of
my
my
background
and
what
I
believe
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
application.
B
E
F
E
A
A
A
A
The
applicant
proposed
to
construct
a
full
addition
onto
the
top
of
the
structure.
It
would
make
the
garage
a
full
two-story
structure
by
our
definitions,
approximately
23
feet,
8
inches
to
the
peak.
They
would
add
some
stairs
to
access
the
living
space
above
and
add
some
a
prominent
roof
overhang.
That
kind
of
encapsulates
that
stairway
with
some
exposed,
rafter
tails
in
reviewing
the
application.
A
We
did
find
that
with
the
lack
of
adjacent
two-story
garages
on
the
alley,
we
felt
a
story
and
a
half
structure
was
more
appropriate
and
have
included
conditions
of
approval
for
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
height
and
mass
of
the
addition
to
a
story
and
a
half
as
a
reminder.
A
story
and
a
half
structure
would
have
a
second
story,
that's
contained
primarily
within
the
roof
volume,
and
it
would
meet
18
feet
to
the
midpoint
of
the
roof,
not
the
peak.
A
So
when
we
talk
about
building
heights,
we
do
measure
to
the
midpoint
and
we
need
to
meet
that
with
the
with
that
second
floor,
primarily
in
the
roof
volume.
With
that,
we
do
recommend
approval
of
the
application
and
again
here's
the
existing
cinderblock
or
concrete
block
garage
on
the
alley.
But
we
do
recommend
approval
the
application
with
conditions.
E
D
Q
We'll
we'll
go
with
that,
thank
you
guys
for
having
us
here
tonight.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
and
listening
to
us
in
the
midst
of
all
these,
your
busy
schedule
what
you
have
going
on.
I
guess
I'm
it's
like
story
time
for
me
right.
First,
thank
you
for
letting
me
dress
in
something
I
haven't
worn
in
two
years
since
the
pandemic,
so
I
kind
of
enjoyed
that
a
bit
before
we
left
the
house.
Q
Q
We've
got
two
kids
in
college,
two
kids
in
grade
school,
the
two
of
us
we've
got
some
retiring
grandparents,
so
we've
got
all
kinds
of
people
and
we
want
to
maximize
the
use
of
of
what
we
have
with
this
home
because
we
want
it
to
be
our
forever
home.
We
really
can't
see
ourselves
going
anywhere
else,
so
we're
coming
today
with
some
plans
that
we're
looking
to
achieve
to
do
a
couple
things
when
I
work
from
home.
I've
worked
from
home
for
12
years
before
this
pandemic.
Q
I
was
one
of
the
I
guess
front
runners
and
working
from
home
remotely
before
we
moved
here.
It
was
tough
to
work
in
the
house
with
kids
all
around
and
move
myself
out
to
a
structure
that
we
put
in
our
prior
house
in
the
backyard
where
I
could
have
a
a
different
kind
of
setting
to
work
and
be
remote.
Q
So
selfishly,
I'm
I'm
excited
at
the
opportunity
to
have
an
office
and
a
bonus
space
where
I
can
be
separated,
there's
nothing
better
than
than
having
that
imaginary
line,
I
guess,
or
actually
a
physical
line
of
like
leaving
work
walking
through
the
yard
for
15
feet
in
the
daily
commute,
and
then,
when
you
get
in
your
house,
that's
like
the
line
has
been
drawn
right
right
now.
I
work
at
home
in
in
the
basement.
I
have
a
room
that
I'm
using,
but
it's
mentally
it's
a
little
a
little
tough,
a
little
different.
Q
You
don't
have
that
line
you
get
to
draw.
The
computer
is
always
calling
me
right,
I'm
always
kind
of
pinching
my
way
back,
but
a
bigger
reason
is
this:
that
when
we've
got
everybody
home
for
the
holidays
or
over
for
winter
break
or
summer
break
with
all
the
kids,
we
blow
up
the
air
mattresses
and
make
the
use
best
use
of
our
space,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
have
that
additional
space
for
college
kids
when
they
come
back
grandparents.
Q
We
have
one
who
lives
out
of
state
and
is
retiring
this
year
and
would
like
to
she
already
comes
once
a
month
for
about
three
or
four
days,
and
her
plan
is
to
come
once
a
month.
For
hopefully
extended.
Stay
is
about
a
seven
day
period
to
give
her
that
extra
space
would
be
nice
and
separation,
while
she's
here-
and
I
guess,
if
we
were
all
given
the
opportunity,
with
kids
in
college,
to
entice
them
to
come
home
after
college,
because
just
maybe
maybe
we'd
get
a
chance
to
spend
more
time
with
them.
Q
We
were
very
thoughtful
and
respectful
with
the
process.
Greg
can
tell
you
he
bluntly
would
ask
questions.
Well.
Is
this
what
you
want?
If
are
you
going
to
go
with
what
you
want,
because
what
you've
told
me
you
want,
you
know,
might
be
different
than
what's
good
for
your
neighbors
and
or
would
you
rather
go
with
what's
good
for
your
neighbors
and
we
always
said
we're:
gonna
go
with
what's
good
for
our
neighbors,
we're
not
gonna.
Q
Q
Q
I
don't
want
to
have
a
window
facing
in
my
yard.
I
don't
want
to
have
people
looking
at
me.
You
know,
while
they're
in
there
and
we're
like
yeah,
definitely
and
then
she
had
some
structural
desires.
You
know
it'd
be
nice.
If
it
wasn't
so
boxy
could
we
change
the
roof
line
or
whatever,
and
I
think
the
next
day
or
two
days
later
we
met
with
greg
and
just
talked
about.
How
well
could
we
do
something
kind
of
prettier?
Q
Q
I
think
four
of
our
neighbors
just
to
say,
yeah,
we're
fine
with
this
and
then
three
neighbors
just
said
verbally
like
I
don't
I
don't
have
any
issues,
I'm
not
gonna
object
to
anything
and
then
one
we
just
couldn't
get
in
touch
with
before
this
meeting.
So
we
have
greg
and
deb
here
tonight.
Just
in
case
you
had
any,
I
guess
more
structural
questions,
because
we've
never
done
anything
like
this,
so
we're
just
kind
of
flying
by
the
seat
of
our
pants
but
story
time
is.
I
have
15
more
minutes.
Q
I
Manchester,
do
you
have
a
question
for
the
applicant?
Firstly,
I
just
am
so
appreciative
of
your
intention
and
thoughtfulness
of
your
neighbors
and
and
taking
their
feedback
into
account.
It's
it's
truly,
not
something
we
see
all
the
time.
So
I
I
appreciate
that
and
my
question
is:
do
you
have
any
issues
with
stuffed
stuff's
proposed
changes
to
the
garage
specifically.
Q
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
recent
news
as
of
like
yesterday,
I
think
so
we're
kind
of
decompressing
and
trying
to
figure
that
out.
I
think
the
biggest
concern
is
is
our
understanding,
which
is
limited
in
terms
of
architecture.
Is
that
the
side
walls
in
order
to
comply
with
that
story
and
a
half
would
be
down
till
about?
Let's
stay
at
the
microphone,
but
two
and
a
half
feet
from
the
sides
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
like
even
really
scope
out
what
that
means.
Q
In
terms
of
our
you
know,
original
thoughts
and
visions
and
how
that
can
be
accommodated
with
that.
So
that
would
be
it
because
a
story
and
a
half
to
me,
I
always
thought
was
like.
Maybe
it's
like
five
feet
or
something
you
know
I'm
six
feet.
So
I'm
thinking
like
right
here
well,
you
could
still
put
a
chair
or
a
couch
or
something
to
get
that
wall,
but
when
two
and
a
half
was
mentioned,
that
was
the
only
concern
I
had
was
like.
Q
Is
there
a
way
we
could
still
make
it
a
story
and
a
half,
but
have
the
sides
come
to
like
five
feet
like
we'll
meet
in
the
middle
two
and
a
half
up
to
five?
But
again,
this
is
I'm
just
talking
here,
I'm
not
the
expert
so
that
that's.
The
only
thought
I
had
was,
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
make
that
work.
F
Q
I'm
staring
at
the
at
my
architecture
right
now,
because
I
I
believe
the
plans
that
we
had
would
not
have
exceeded
the
height
of
our
main
home.
Is
that
a
correct
statement?
That
is
a
correct
statement,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
the
proposed
plans
would
be
under
or
equal
to
our
primary
home.
Would
it
be
equal
to
it
would
be
equal
to.
E
F
A
D
A
F
F
E
Q
Yeah
yeah
apologies.
I
forgot
about
that
part
because
we're
kind
of
hung
up
on
the
roof
line.
Yeah
and
that's
we're
completely
open.
To
that
I
mean
that's,
not
an
issue
at
all.
I
I
think
it's
more
so
if
we
could
have
the
the
walls
a
little
higher
in
usable
space,
so
if
that
means
bringing
it
in
on
the
front
or
something
to
stay
under
that
square
footage,
I
I
don't
see
a
massive
issue
with
that.
Your
timer
is
paused
by
the
way,
just
in
case
you
you
don't
want
to.
P
Q
Yeah
there
is
not
directly
behind
us,
but
behind
us
and
if
I'm
facing
to
the
left,
there's
a
a
house
that
has
to
me
I
thought
it
was
a
two-story
structure,
but
maybe
it's
just
that
the
roof
pitch
is
different.
Oh,
you
can
kind
of
see
it
in
the
picture
right
here,
so
oops
yeah.
So
the
the
garage
structure
on
the
left
is
the
neighbor's
garage
next
door
to
us
on
our
left
or
left
facing
our
house
behind
the
alley
across
the
alley.
Q
R
Thanks,
madam
chair,
yes,
kate,
henwood,
1116,
north
12th
street,
so
we
we
did
trade
emails
with
the
applicant
and
there
were
just
a
few
things
we
didn't
get.
Clarity
on,
I
was
hoping
could
be
addressed
tonight
and
we
had
mentioned
some
concerns,
the
the
drawing
that
we
saw
had
what
was
labeled
a
patio.
So
when
you
go
up
the
steps,
there's
a
railing
outside
the
front
door
and
it
is
called
a
patio
and
there
is
furniture
on
it
and
we
were
curious
about
the
width
of
that
patio.
R
Would
it
really
you
know?
Is
it
truly
just
you
know
an
entryway
to
get
in
the
front
door,
or
would
there
be
seating
out
there
because
it
really
does
feel
like
it
would
look
down
right
into
the
neighbor's
yard.
So
I
was
curious.
If
I
know
you
solicited
a
lot
of
neighbor
feedback
and
we
asked
if
you
had
spoken
with
those
neighbors
to,
I
believe
it's
the
north.
You
said
you
thought
they
were
okay
with
it,
but
I
was
curious.
If
that's
someone
you
did
get
specific
feedbacks.
S
My
address
is
449
west
main
street
boise,
so
I
helped
my
client
design
this
structure.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things
to
the
south
of
their
house.
There
is
a
two-story
structure
there
across
the
street
kitty
corner
to
the
north
or
north
west.
There's
a
two-story
structure
there
to
the
block
to
the
east.
There
are
three
two-story
structures,
including
two
in
the
alley
so
they're
in
the
neighborhood.
There
is
quite
a
few
two-story
structures.
S
S
S
He
wants
me
to
do
a
adu
for
him
in
that
garage,
so
I
asked
him
what
he
thought
of
our
plans
and
he
was
fully
you
know
an
approval
that
we
could
do
what
we
could
do
so
that
concern
is
is
not
a
concern.
Also,
I
met
with
idle
power,
one
of
their
staff
designers
on
the
site,
and
we
discussed
the
power
lines.
We
cannot
have
a
power
line
over
a
roof
unless
you
have
15
foot
clearance.
S
So
that's
a
problem.
Well,
that's
the
power
line
that
services,
the
feed
to
the
neighbor
to
the
north,
so
idaho
power
suggestion
was,
we
would
have
to
add
another
poll
at
my
clients,
expense
and
that
poll
would
probably
be
located
to
the
north,
so
it
would
be
a
direct
shot
to
the
neighbor
to
the
north.
E
T
Hi,
my
name
is
deboden
bauer,
I'm
with
ivy
design
at
449
west
maine.
Madam
chair,
the
only
comment
I
would
make
is
regarding
the
regulation
for
the
low
wall.
Their
house
is
a
two
story
or
call
it
a
one
and
a
half,
but
it
has
existing
approximately
six
foot
high
walls
to
accommodate
living
in
that
environment.
T
T
T
T
In
this
case
they
moved
in
and
inherited
a
concrete
block,
garage
and
blessings.
Of
course,
it's
a
two-car
garage.
You
very
rarely
get
a
two-car
garage
in
the
north
end.
It's
a
blessing,
but
they
inherited
it
so
cars
that
all
these
projects
that
have
a
one
car
garage
and
maybe
a
carport,
are
able
to
fulfill
the
whole
top
and
put
their
square
footage
up
top
in
this
case,
they're
limited
because
of
the
square
footage
because
they
have
a
two-car
garage.
T
E
Q
Yeah
nathaniel
peace,
1614,
north
23rd
street.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
one
of
the
questions-
I
don't
remember
who
apologies
was,
are
you?
Okay
with
you
know,
reducing
the
square
footage
and
I
guess
you
know
with
it
being
fairly
new
information
as
of
yesterday.
This
is
a
little
overwhelming
for
somebody
who's,
not
usually
a
part
of
this,
I'm
like
sure.
Q
My
voice
gets
a
little
higher
like
that
too,
and
I'm
nervous,
but
I
I
guess,
as
I
sat
and
listened
to
the
other
things
being
said,
I
I
just
yeah
I
mean
we
want
to
maximize
the
usage
of
that
space,
so
I
don't
want
that
comment
I
made
earlier
to
be
the
end-all
be-all
because,
truly
whatever
it
is,
I
have
to
do
or
say
or
convince
or
whatever
it
is
to
to
help
the
case
to
say.
Can
I
please
make
the
most
of
this,
so
it's
actually
useful
for
those
things
I
mentioned
earlier.
Q
E
A
A
If
you
will
the
1
000
square
foot
requirement
for
a
garage
be
placed
at
the
rear
property,
I
mean
that's
zoning
code
in
order
to
do
that
there
to
construct
on
top
of
that
existing
garage,
it
will
require
a
variance
if
that
roof
is
brought
down
and
the
square
footage
is
reduced
upstairs
they
could
get
under
the
thousand
square
feet,
not
requiring
the
variance.
So
it
really
kind
of
accomplishes
both
items.
E
H
A
F
A
E
E
J
J
The
adu
is
not
going
to
exceed
that
height
of
the
house.
The
non-contributing
house,
in
addition,
the
it
being
over
1
000
square
feet,
does
not
bug
me
because
they
are
reusing
the
existing
garage
which
would
require
if
we
reduce
the
square
footage
by
not
lowering
it.
Another
option
is
like
keeping
the
square
footage
at
the
square
footage,
but
the
second
story,
full
story
and
then
you'd
have
to
bring
a
wall
in
or
something
you'd
have
to
either
take
out
a
wall
and
reduce
the
height
of
that
bottom.
J
P
Was
going
to
agree
with
commissioner
malloy,
especially
about
the
1000
square
feet?
I
just
don't
know
that
that's
our
problem
if
they
want
to
go
deal
with
the
city
and
get
the
planning
variants
like
they
can
go.
Do
that.
So
I'm
not!
I
guess
annoyed
by.
I
could
take
that
out
because
that's
another
problem
that
they
can
go
deal
with
another
agency
about
on
the
second
condition.
P
I
would
move
to
change
it,
maybe
to
reduce
the
second
story,
not
to
a
one
and
a
half,
but
to
be
less
than
the
size
of
the
existing
property,
and
that
way,
once
they
go
and
measure
that
they
can
go
figure
out.
If
it's
as
long
as
it's
lower
than
the
front
house,
I
don't
really
care
how
high
the
garage
is
in
the
back
would
be
my
kind
of
take
on
it.
E
Thank
you.
I
guess
one
thing
I
would
just
recommend:
maybe
we,
since
it
would
require
variance
to
be
over
a
thousand
feet,
which
I
don't
think
we
can
just
remove
that
requirement,
but
maybe
we
could
add
and
josh.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
maybe
we
can
add
that
it
needs
to
be
below
1
000
square
feet
or
obtain
a
variance
would
be,
or
that
would
probably
be
how
we'd
have
to
word
that
that.
E
F
F
The
the
other
thing
is
approving
it
with
those
conditions
dramatically
changes
the
design
of
the
project
and
we'd
be
approving
something
that
is
so
sick
going
to
be
so
significantly
different.
I'd
have
a
hard,
I
would
have
a
hard
time
approving
that,
because
we
won't
be
able
to
see
the
design
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
have
a
hard
time
with
is.
F
F
The
project,
as
per
the
conditions
recommended
by
staff
and
based
on
the
other,
commissioner's
comments
about
keeping
it
a
two-story
and
a
thousand
and
the
size
it
is
I'd,
have
a
hard
time
approving
that
too,
because
I
don't
know
what
the
holly
house
is
and
approving
a
structure,
that's
over
a
thousand
square
feet
on
the
property
line
without
a
variance
I'd.
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
approve
it,
because
I
wouldn't
agree
with
it.
P
E
And
also
addressing
the
thousand
square
feet,
I
do
think
we
have
to
put
in
there
that
they
need
to
gain
a
variance,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
approved
or
not.
But
I
think
that
we,
you
could
there's
options
that
you
could
do
reusing
the
existing
garage,
which
I
would
really
hope
that
that
they
would
still
try
to
do,
because
I'm
you
could
just
not
build
over
the
whole
top
top
of
it.
You
know
you'd
have
a
smaller
living
space
upstairs,
but
you
could
only
build
you
know.
E
However,
I
can't
remember
how
big
the
garage
is,
but
just
build
that
much
more
to
get
to
a
thousand
square
feet
total.
So
there's
probably
options
other
than
you
know.
I
think
they
have
options.
I
can
look
at
I.
I
just
think
that
in
my
mind,
I'm
fine
with
it
being
over
a
thousand
square
feet
because
of
the
existing
garage
as
long
as
they
you
know,
go
through
the
process
to
get
the
variance.
I
I
E
A
A
The
property
is
at
the
is
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
heron
and
15th
street.
There
is
detached
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
with
street
trees
along
both
frontages,
so
the
applicant
did
remove
a
siberian
elm
in
the
backyard
indicated
by
the
asterisk
on
the
site.
Plan
might
be
a
little
hard
to
see,
but
there
is
the
cursor
in
that
location
and
they
are
proposing
a
new
oak
tree
to
be
planned
as
a
replacement.
A
The
property
was
turned
into
code
compliance.
We
were
made
aware
of
the
removal
of
the
tree
and
the
applicant
submitted
the
application
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
approved,
with
a
condition
to
replace
the
caliper
inches
of
the
tree,
either
on-site
or
off-site
through
a
donation
to
the
city
tree
fund.
The
applicant
has
appealed
that
decision
and
their
grounds
are
that
36
inches
of
tree
is
excessive
for
the
subject
site
and
could
not
be
reasonably
replaced.
A
A
A
F
Madam
chair,
I
do
not
have
any
questions
for
staff,
but
I
will
be.
I
do
need
to
state
for
the
record
that
I
was
on
site
and
had
contact
during
the
removal
of
the
tree
with
the
the
homeowner,
so
I'll
be
recusing
myself
from
as
a
commissioner
from
this
this
item,
but
I
will
be
testifying
as
a
public
member.
Thank
you.
E
A
P
A
U
U
But
I
think
my
the
problem
that
I
had
again
is
just
the
specific
conditions
of
approval.
36
inches
is
is
way
too
much
for
this
small
lot,
as
josh
said,
and
even
if
you
would
carve
it
up
into
a
normal
sized
planting
tree
of
maybe
four
inches
of
diameter,
that
you're
talking
about
planting
nine
trees,
which
makes
absolutely
no
sense
so
the
tree
was
removed.
Well,
let
me
back
up
just
for
a
second
I'm
gonna,
a
master
gardener.
U
So
I
very
much
appreciate
horticulture
and
trees,
and
that
kind
of
thing
this
tree
was
a
problem,
and
you
can
tell
when
you
look
at
it
there.
It
was
volunteer
elm
tree
and
it
grew
right
up
underneath
power
lines
and
you
can
see
those
lines.
So
it
was
a
problem
and
about
every
other
year
it
would
drop
large
branches
on
my
neighbor,
which
is
just
to
the
right
of
that
fence
and
on
our
property
that
we
would
have
to
get
chainsaws
and
cut
it
up.
U
So
it
was
just
like
this
tree
is,
is
not
appropriate
for
this
for
this
location
and
when
I
hired
the
tree
service
to
cut
it
down,
they
told
me
that
there
were
a
lot
of
things
wrong
with
it
and
the
fact
that
the
forestry
couldn't
see
that
I
can
understand
because
the
tree's
gone.
But
if
you
actually
saw
the
tree
it
did
have
issues
if
you
were
up
close
and
had
lived
around
it
for
a
long
time.
U
U
That
and
there's
like,
I
said,
four
large
trees
and
two
smaller
trees
and
in
terms
of
where
you
should
plant
a
tree
in
as
far
as
distance
from
from
a
building
and
from
other
trees.
There's
really
just
kind
of
one
area.
On
the
where
I
had
marked
my
suggested
oak
tree
to
be
planted,
there's
really
only
one
spot,
that's
appropriate
that
doesn't
have
phone
lines
and
power
lines
and
I
drew
I
sent
in
the
example
of
where
it
would
be
an
appropriate
place
to
put
put
a
tree,
I'm
all
for
trees,
love,
trees.
U
I've
got
a
whole
bunch
on
my
property
where
I
live
now,
so
my
suggestion
was
just
to
plant
and
I
don't
have
it
specifically
listed,
but
I
was
looking
at
the
treasure
valley.
Tree
selection
guide.
Elms
are
not
any
of
the
trees
that
are
suggested,
but
I
I'm
thinking
that
a
good
class
2
class
2
tree,
which
is
right
out
of
this
treasure
valley,
tree
selection,
guide
that
they
can
reach
up
to
30
or
40
feet,
and
they
should
they
should
be
30
or
40
feet
spaced.
U
So
you
can
see
right
here
where
I'm
suggesting
there's
a
fence
right
here.
There's
a
tree
right.
There
there's
two
trees
here:
there's
three
trees
along
here
and
I've
got
phone
lines
going
through
there
and
a
power
line
going
there,
and
you
can
see
the
the
massive
area
that
that
that
tree
that
problem
tree
include.
U
So
my
when
I
just
kind
of
looked
around
the
property,
it
seemed
like
for
proper
distance
from
buildings
and
from
power
lines.
There's
this
area
right
here
that
would
be
appropriate
and
it
would
also
be
great
for
a
you
know.
In
the
in
the
summer
time,
when
the
sun
comes
up,
it
would
provide
shade
for
the
house,
but
that
would
really
only
accommodate
one
tree
and
the
kind
of
trees
that
you
would
buy.
U
You
know
are
like
four
to
five
inches
in
diameter,
which
is
the
calipers
they're
talking
about,
and
you
know,
but
within
a
few
years
it
would
easily
fill
in
and
and
hopefully
wouldn't
be,
any
danger
to
the
you
know
the
power
lines
and
the
and
the
telephone
line.
So
that's
what
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
and
and
again
I
was
a
little
shocked
when
I,
when
I
saw
the
rule
that
you're
supposed
to
replace,
replace
caliper
for
caliper.
U
I
think
that
should
be
related
to
the
property,
and
there
was
a
couple
of
examples
that
I
sent
in
of
two
properties
recently
that
had
trees
removed
and
again
these
these.
The
only
reason
it
was
a
big
deal
was
because
they
had
not
applied
for
a
sick
certificate
of
appropriateness
on
a
timely
basis,
but
there
was
the
there
was
the
tree,
a
16
inch
tree.
That
was
this.
Not
that
it's
not
that
one!
U
That's
the
19th
property
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
second,
but
there
was
a
16th
cents
tree
on
harrison
that
was
used
by
this
by
the
state
and
moved
by
the
police
was
taken
in
front
of
the
capitol
and
but
all
that's
required
from
the
is
to
plant
another
tree
down
here.
It
says
tree
to
be
medicated
by
planting
another
tree,
not
16
inch
tree,
not
36.
U
You
know
it's
like
okay,
wait
a
minute.
I
have
property
that
you
know
is
like
appropriately
a
nice
tree
that
can
grow
into
a
good
quality
tree,
but
you
know
in
that
case
all
that
was
required
was
plant
another
tree
and
then
on
the
other
property.
You
were
being
looked
at
on
19th,
where
there
was
a
big
deal.
U
Everybody
got
excited
the
historical
commission,
the
neighbors,
the
police,
not
all
the
way
to
the
there
are
10
trees
here
they
all
look
to
be
at
least
12
inches,
maybe
not
that
one,
but
most
of
them
do
so.
If
you
got
10
trees
times
12
inches
with
this
caliper
method,
you've
got
120
inches
the
end
result
of
this.
From
the
from
the
you
know.
The
city
council
said
plant
seven
trees,
10
to
15
feet,
10
to
20
feet
high.
U
It
was
either
10
to
15
or
10
to
20
feet
high
and
those
trees
at
four
inches
each.
They
got
28
inches
of
tree.
So
I
guess
my
point
is
that
I,
this
cal,
the
whole
caliper
thing
makes
no
sense.
It
needs
to
be
related
to
the
property
and-
and
it
seems
to
me,
if
you're
going
to
replace
a
tree,
you
know
that
will
grow
into
something
good.
U
U
The
other
thing
that
was
bothering-
and
the
me
with
regard
to
me
appealing
these
site-specific
conditions,
was
the
suggestion
of
a
you
know,
a
charitable
contribution
to
the
tree
fund.
Well,
in
my
own
mind,
common
sense
would
be
you
know,
maybe
four
or
five
hundred
bucks,
something
like
that,
whatever
it
would
cost
to
plant
a
tree.
Well,
what
that,
what
I
got
from
the
planning
and
development
service
as
well?
Let's
see,
we've
talked
with
all
kinds
of
people
and
250
per
inch.
U
U
So
it's
still
like
a
4
500
contribution,
I'm
going
that's
nuts,
so
anyway,
I'm
sorry
for
ranting
and
raving,
but
I
my
point
is
that
I
think
that
to
replace
lost
tree
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
like
relate
it
to
the
specific
property
and
to
what
the
available
space
spaces
and
the
relative
other
trees
that
are
there.
I
mean
you
can
envision
a
property,
that's
just
fully
covered
with
trees
and
you
remove
one
and
you
probably
don't
want
to
put
another
one
there.
U
Actually
some
of
them
should
be
thinned
out
so
anyway.
That's
where
I'm
coming
from
more
than
anything
is
just
the
requirement
of
replanting
and
I
fully
intend
to
replant
they've,
given
me
two
years
to
get
it
done,
but
I'd
want
to
plant
a
you
know:
good
quality
class
2
tree
that
would
serve
the
property
well
and
not
be
a
danger.
That's
all.
I
have.
E
A
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
kate,
henwood
1116,
north
12th
street.
We
support
staff's,
recommended
denial
of
this
appeal.
We
know
that
the
applicant
was
well
aware
of
the
c
of
a
requirement
but
chose
to
defy
the
rules
and
cut
down
this
tree
anyway.
You
know
we
just
generally
speaking,
really
remain
concerned
about
the
apparent
lack
of
consistency
in
remedies
required
on
after
tree
removal,
cfa
approvals.
You
know,
which
is
just
unfortunate
and
complicates
our
mutual
interest
in
preserving
our
tree
canopy.
So
yeah.
We
support
steph's
recommendation.
F
Okay,
devinkowski
1775
west
state
street,
the
idaho
3702
I
am
testifying
as
a
member
of
the
public,
the
I
have
a
number
of
comments.
First
of
all,
if
you
pull
the
overhead
shot
up,
there's
talk
of
the
large
other
large
trees
on
the
property,
the
three
largest
trees
on
the
property
actually
in
the
parking
strip
on
the
other
side
of
the
sidewalk,
not
on
the
backyard.
F
This
is
a
very
large
yard
and
they
took
down
a
very
large
tree.
I
was
on
site
for
a
number
of
hours.
I
actually
was
there
and
was
able
could
have
saved
half
the
tree.
The
tree
I
notified
the
tree
company
that
permit
was
required.
They
made
a
phone
call
after
hanging
up
the
phone
proceeded
to
cut
down
even
faster.
F
F
I
called
nina.
I
called
city
forestry
and
one
of
the
neighbors
also
called
the
police.
We
were
there.
We
could
have
stopped
it.
The
applicant
did
show
up
as
well
as
the
person
who
runs
the
tree
company.
A
neighbor
had
called
the
tree
company
to
also
complain,
and
even
while
we're
the
owner
on
site
and
the
boring
guy
running
the
tree
company
on
site,
knowing
that
they
needed
a
permit
to
do
it,
they
continued
to
cut
it
down,
and
when
I
approached
the
homeowner
I
had
witnesses.
F
F
E
U
As
far
as
I
was
concerned,
when
he
finally
did
ask
that
we
stopped
cutting
the
tree
down,
it
was
majorly
reduced
already
and
to
not
finish
the
job.
You
would
have
left
a
totally
inappropriate
ugly
tree
remaining,
so
it
made
no
sense.
He
knew
nothing
about
the
condition
of
the
tree
or
anything
and
he's
making
it
sound
like.
I
was
just
flagrantly
flying
in
the
face
of
the
rules
and
regulations
and
that's
not
true.
U
So
I
don't
really
know
what
else
to
say
other
than
the
fact
that
this
was
a
dangerous
tree
that
was
causing
problems.
I
hired
an
outfit,
they
came
out,
began
to
work,
people
gradually
started
filing
in
and
then
a
couple
of
neighbors,
including
mr
koski,
you
know
was
asked-
were
asking
me
a
few
questions
basically
said:
you
know
that
a
a
deal
is
required,
a
certificate
of
appropriate
is
required,
and
so
I
said,
okay,
but
it's
kind
of
too
late.
U
Now
I
think
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
finish
it
off
and
I'll
get
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
which
I
did,
but
I
was
not
doing
it
in
face
of
some
small
fine.
That's
total
falsehood.
So
I
don't
appreciate
his
comments.
It's
not
true
in
the
yard.
If
you
really
could
go
visit
it,
it
looks
like
it's
a
big
yard,
but
when
you
look
at
those
power
lines
and
the
other,
the
other
site
plan
is
a
better
one.
U
I
drew
where
the
power
lines
were
the
phone
lines,
there's
really
no
appropriate
place
to
put
in
36
inches
of
tree.
What
makes
sense
is
to
put
one
tree
in
that's
going
to
grow
into
a
nice
40-foot
tree
right
where
I
suggested
you
know,
and
when
I
did
work
with
the
police
and
they
were
threatening
a
misdemeanor,
they
totally
dismissed
it,
and
so
anyway,
you
know.
U
I
think
this
is
just
koski,
be
having
some
kind
of
vindication
for
what
he
didn't
think
was
correct
going
on
at
the
time,
and
I
don't
appreciate
it
so
anyway,
that's
my
comment.
I
think
it's
totally
inappropriate
for
the
conditions
that
are
required.
It
makes
no
sense,
and
especially
the
contribution
that's
being
requested-
and
you
know
it
just
doesn't
in
line
with-
what's
happened
over
the
last
two
years
in
the
same
situation
so
anyway,
that's
all
I
have
to
say-
and
I'm
sorry
I'm
so
angry,
but
it
is
very
frustrating.
A
E
P
Madam
chair
I'd
like
discussion
for
you
yeah,
commissioner
order.
Please
I
guess
I
would
say
I
love
trees.
We
hand
watered
our
trees
when
we
were
doing
our
renovation
because
we
didn't
want
to
lose
some,
but
a
nine
thousand
dollar
fine.
When
we
only
find
people
a
thousand
dollars
for
stuff
that
they
do
to
their
homes
seems
egregious
to
me.
So
I
would
love
to
cap
it
at
a
thousand
dollars
versus
having
him
have
to
pay.
E
Well,
I
guess
I
have
a
question
for
staff
again,
I
don't
the
the
fines
and
these
things
that
like
what
I
was
kind
of
getting
as
where
they're
coming
from
in
this
you
know
in
the
landscape
ordinance.
Can
we
recommend
anything
we
want
and
we
could
set
a
limit
for
a
fine.
I
guess
what
are
our
limits
on
that.
A
Madam
chair,
I
suppose
you
could
recommend
anything
you
want.
You
know
the
limit,
the
monetary
limit.
It
would
probably
I
I
believe
it
makes
some
sense.
Maybe
it
would
be
a
caliper
inch
limit
right,
like
maybe
there's
an
appropriate
caliper
inches.
I
think,
might
be
a
better
way
to
approach
it
just
because
you
then
have
option
for
on-site
off-site.
So
you
know
if
36
inches
isn't
appropriate,
maybe
there's
a
lower
caliper
inches
without
having
what
a
tree
cost
per
cow
per
inch
of
the
nursery
in
front
of
me.
E
Well,
I
get,
I
guess
my
comments
on
this
are
that
I
find
it
very
hard,
since
I'm
not
a
landscape
specialist,
that
I
don't
really
know
even
even
telling
him
he
needs
to
plant
three
four
caliper
trees
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
really
know
if
they'll
fit
on
the
site-
and
I
don't
know
if
they'll
do
anything
to
the
house
or
anything
underground.
E
So
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
make
that
decision,
and
I
kind
of
wish
that
we
didn't
have
to
do
that
and
then,
which
comes
back
to
maybe
you
know
it's
easiest
just
to
deny
or
approve
this,
and
let
that
that
decision
go
to
someone
else
who
better
knows
these,
but
if
you
know
how
the
trees
will
affect
the
house,
but
I
guess
I'd
be
open
for
other
comments
from
other
commissioners
on
that.
I'm.
I
J
A
Mitigation
require
is
required
for
the
tree
in
caliper
inches
not
to
exceed
the
cost
of
one
thousand
dollars
or
something
like
that,
and
that
that
way
it
takes
into
account
nursery
prices.
I
mean
if
I
have
no
idea
how
many
calories
you
get
for
that
quite
honestly,
but
you
know
whatever
that
amount
that
you
felt
appropriate
is
that
you
could
condition
it
that
way.
J
P
V
V
J
E
So
I
think
that
I
would
be
more
inclined
to
deny
the
appeal
and
have
it
go
forward
with
maybe
some
more
information
on
cost
and
what
could
really
be
done
on
the
site.
As
far
as
you
know,
how
many
trees
can
you
plan
on
the
site
and
what
sizes
would
realistically
be?
You
know
good
for
a
site
of
that
size.
J
E
P
E
A
A
A
In
your
packet,
the
conditions
of
approval
that
we
included
recommended
reducing
the
mass
of
the
structure
to
the
south.
Where
that
addition
is,
the
applicant
has
taken
that
and
made
some
new
drawings
that
I've
included
in
the
presentation
tonight
how
they
feel
they
could
address
those
conditions
of
approval.
A
If
you
recall
that
that
condition
said
to
set
back
the
upper
floor
three
feet
and
provide
an
increased
transition
down
to
the
existing
property
to
the
south
and
for
reference
you
can
see
it
here.
This
is
the
existing
house.
There's
that
kind
of
larger
side
yard,
where
the
proposed
edition
would
go
the
home
to
the
right
is
a
single
story
structure
with
a
with
a
hip
roof.
A
The
applicant
has
submitted
site
photos
with
some
heights
of
surrounding
properties,
and
there
are
quite
a
few
homes
on
this
block
that
are
full
two-story,
the
property
directly
to
the
north.
On
the
left
side
of
the
screen
there,
they
estimate
it
25
feet
in
height,
a
house
across
the
street.
They
estimated
27
feet
down
the
street
25
feet
and
end
of
block
across
the
street
estimated
30
feet.
So
there
are
these
two-story
homes.
A
H
Okay,
great
good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is:
will
sanchez
I'm
the
owner
of
1516,
north
15th
and
don
jerome
is
the
contractor
for
my
home.
She
is
not
present
this
evening.
So
if
there
are
any
questions
for
her,
we
can
get
back
with
her,
but
I
know
dawn
has
worked
closely
with
josh
on
the
details
and
the
revisions
for
this,
the
home.
To
my
understanding,
it
was
built
in
1912.
H
The
home
is
approximately
110
years
old
and
requires
a
substantial
amount
of
work
to
make
this
home
habitable.
The
interior
has
some
electrical
and
plumbing
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
It
is
also
not
energy
efficient.
In
its
current
state
on
the
exterior
of
the
roof,
shingles
have
some
usable
life,
but
are
cracking
and
shows
signs
of
aging,
with
with
exposed
felt
inside
the
attic.
There
is
no
proper
ventilation
to
allow
fresh
air
to
circulate
so
and
talking
with
john
you
know,
we
felt
a
lot
of
repair
was
needed.
H
H
So,
on
the
main
level,
we
are
adding
square
footage
to
the
south
to
accommodate
a
primary
bedroom
with
an
ensuite
as
well
as
an
office
and
we're
adding
a
second
story
to
accommodate
for
secondary
bedrooms
in
the
basement.
We're
addressing
the
foundation
wall
issues,
we're
adding
an
egress
window
and
we're
looking
to
turn
this
into
a
proper
finished
basement
on
the
exterior.
A
F
E
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
kate,
henwood
1116,
north
12th
street.
So
we
did.
You
know
cruise
over
and
take
a
look
at
this
site
in
person,
and
you
know
the
home
to
the
north
is
to
me,
looks
like
a
one
and
a
half
story
home
and,
as
mentioned
the
house
to
the
south
is
a
a
single
story
home.
But
there
are,
you
know
a
lot
of
other
tall
homes
on
the
block.
You
know,
I
think
it
just
comes
down
to
the
block.
R
You
know
probably
can
accommodate
this
design,
but
it's
just
a
situation
where
we've
got
a
very
large
addition.
That's
resulting
in
a
very
large
house
with
max
lot
coverage.
So
we
do
appreciate
staff's
request
for
those
changes
and
likewise
appreciate
the
applicant's
speedy
response
to
get
those
revised
plans
in
they're
kind
of
hard
to
see
visually
on
the
plans,
the
change
from
between
the
plans
and
new
plans,
but
I
think
they
will
make
a
difference.
Just
an
actual
building
of
the
home.
H
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
kate
for
your
response
and
I
I
hope
that
we
are
able
to
address
any
concerns.
You
know
we
we
can
follow
up
with
don
and
josh
as
well
and
address
any
that.
If,
if
there's
any
further
further
concerns
or
comments,
we
want
to
be
sure
that
this
will
be
suitable
and
we
we
are
in
compliance
with
the
historical
guidelines
and
that's
all
for
me
great.
A
E
J
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
for
discussion,
okay,
commissioner
miller,
it
is
a
rather
large
house.
Four
thousand
square
feet
is
as
big,
I
think,
with
the
changes
they've
done.
I
hope
that
will
help
with
the
size.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
set
back
that
even
further
or
maybe
use
landscaping
to
blend
it
in
better,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
but
I
would
if
we
do
approve
this,
I
would
like
to
include
nina's
request
of
permeable,
paving
and
also
down
lights.
So
those
are
my
comments.
F
F
With
the
other
neighbors,
so
I
don't
know
if
there
can
be
more
done
as
far
as
setting
back
some
of
the
addition
or
or
or
whatnot
I
mean.
Obviously,
they've
worked
very
hard
to
get
it
to
this
point,
but
as
it
sits
now,
I'm
unless
I'm
convinced
otherwise
I
would
vote
for
non-approval
based
on
its
massing.
I
I
I
I
would
be
in
support
of
nina's
request
of
permeable,
paving,
but
other
than
that.
I
I
personally
don't
see
an
issue
with
this,
especially
since
the
elementary
school
is
across
the
street,
and
that
is
such
a
large
structure.
I
don't
think
it
would.
It
would
propose
such
a
huge
shock
to
the
block
face.
F
F
You
know
this
is
where
a
street
view
would
really
be
helpful
of
of
the
five
houses
on
the
five
houses
on
that
side
of
the
street.
Three
are
single
stories
to
our
story
and
a
half
so
there's
no
second
story
house
on
that
side
of
the
street,
and
if
we
could
take
the
measurements
of
those
five
houses,
not
just
the
five
that
he
has
pictured,
you'll,
see
that
he's
pictured
ones
from
across
the
street.
F
You
know
not
neces,
not
the
five
that
are
on
that
block.
So
respectfully
I
disagree
with
you
a
little
bit,
but
it's
it's!
You
know.
Looking
at
the
information
we
have
in
front
of
us,
isn't
you
take
pictures
of
the
big
houses
right?
You
don't
take
pictures
of
the
small
ones,
so
even
if
they're
not
on
even
for
across
the
street.
So
I
I
that's
why
I
struggle
I
struggle
because
I
don't
think
we
have
the
whole
picture.
I
I'm
sure
if
I,
if
I
may
add
as
well,
there's
also
a
map,
it
looks
like
a
satellite
image
on
page
two
of
the
packet
that
does
show
the
greater
neighborhood,
not
just
the
initial
block
face,
and
I
do
think
that
that
does
kind
of
provide
somewhat
of
an
idea
of
footprint
and
location
of
the
home.
If
you
look
again,
the
home
in
question
is
one
one
block
or
one
house
excuse
me,
one
house,
south
east
of
washington,
elementary
school,
just
to
provide
some
context.
E
E
E
J
B
E
E
E
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
has
requested
to
demolish
an
existing
home
and
construct
a
single
family
residence
on
property
at
402,
west
pueblo
street
in
on
in
the
r1ch
zone
in
the
north
end,
historic
district
and
the
property
is
not
contributing
and
we'll
get
to
that
more
in
a
second,
so
the
applicant
or
the
subject.
A
A
A
A
So
I
think
here's
a
a
street
view
that
commissioner
koski
was
hoping
for
on
the
last
one,
but
you
kind
of
get
this
on
the
lower
left
hand
corner
there.
You
get
the
street
view
down
pueblo,
there's
a
very
similar
minimal,
traditional
home
next
door
and
then
down
and
then
the
next
one
is
also
a
similar
minimal.
Traditional
the
surveys
for
those
properties
also
are
listed
as
non-contributing
in
our
records
and
then
across
the
street.
A
Obviously,
a
newer
construction
home,
certainly
not
from
the
same
part
time
period
as
these,
but
it's
non-contributing
as
well
just
doing
a
quick
kind
of
assessment
of
of
the
block.
You
know
kind
of
going
down
the
block
on
both
sides
of
the
street.
There
weren't
any
contributing
properties
in
close
proximity
to
this
one,
and
certainly
none
that
exhibited
the
same
characteristics
that
this
house
does.
A
So
the
applicant
again
is
proposing
to
demolish
it.
Construct
a
single
story
home
with
a
detached
garage
we
are
in
support,
have
recommended
approval
of
the
application
with
a
few
conditions
per
recent
discussions.
You
know
last
month
or
the
month
before,
we
did
recommend
that
the
stone
on
the
house
be
natural
and
not
cultured.
A
W
All
right
good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
very
much
for
considering
this
project.
My
name
is
kirsten
wallace
with
wallace
custom
design
and
renovation
address
is
816,
north
hanes
street
boise
83712,
and
I'm
speaking
for
jeffrey,
who
is
over
there
with
knee
surgery.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
he
may
be
able
to
answer
him
from
the
chair,
but
the
only
concern
we
had
with
staff's
recommendations
were
the
requirement
to
comply
with
the
achd
sidewalk,
curb
and
gutter.
W
So,
and
I
think
I
also
mentioned
already
that
there
is
no
existing,
curb
and
gutter
on
the
street
at
all.
So
with
that
said,
we
would
be
willing
to
work
with
acht
to
come
up
with
a
workable
solution,
but
we're
not
sure
that
the
staff
recommendations,
as
they
are
stated
right
now,
can
be
complied
with,
and
that's
all
I
have.
E
A
Madam
chair,
so
we
worded
the
condition
to
give
the
applicant
some
opportunity
to
work
with
achd
on
a
solution
that
you
know
is
doable
on
situations
like
this.
You
know
a
corner
lot:
no
existing,
curb
gutter
inside
rock
on
adjacent
properties.
It
can
be
really
problematic
to
put
curb
and
gutter
in,
because
you
create
drainage
problems,
and
you
know
it's
really
a
whole
street
solution.
A
You
know
in
terms
of
achc
not
having
plans
drawn
up
for
curb
gutter
sidewalk
in
this
condition
or
in
this
sorry,
in
this
location.
You
know
that
would
be
the
applicant's
responsibility
to
to
design
a
sidewalk,
a
chd
reviews
and
approves
those
through
their
permitting
process,
which
is
outside
of
the
city
process,
and
they
could
work
out
any
of
those
concerns
with
acht.
E
R
Thank
you,
kate,
thanks
mandarin
chair.
We
do
have
some
comments,
so
kate,
henwood,
1116,
north
12th
street
first
just
want
to
say
it's
really
disconcerting
to
us
that
we've
got
these
conflicting
records
about
the
status
of
this
home,
but
I
I
think
that
just
speaks
to
the
larger
need
the
desperate
need
for
a
resurvey
of
our
historic
district,
but
a
longer
conversation
for
another
day
in
forum.
So
proceeding
as
if
you
know
taking
staff
in
in
good
faith.
R
You
know
and
they're
kind
of
rational
for
why
the
home
truly
is
not
contributing.
We
do
have
a
few
comments.
We
had
also
reached
out
to
the
applicant
and
mentioned
our
concern
about
the
rock.
I
think
the
idea
was
for
it
to
mimic
the
retaining
wall,
which
we
just
don't
feel
like
that.
The
the
drawing
the
rock
in
the
drawings
reflect
that
so
a
change
there
or
maybe
even
just
a
stucco
facade,
might
be
more
appropriate.
R
We
also
kind
of
were
confused
by
the
requirement
for
the
sidewalks
that
just
I'm
not
even
sure
how
you
would
do
that
there,
since
there
are
no
other
sidewalks
and
it
kind
of
feels,
like
you
know,
you're,
on
a
road
to
nowhere,
if
you're
in
the
street
and
then
hopping
on
the
sidewalk
for
one
house
length
and
then
hopping
off
again
so
anyway,
just
wanted
to
mention.
We
also
were
a
little
bit
confused
about
that
requirement
and
how
that
would
be
implemented.
R
W
W
W
So
there's
a
small
photo
to
the
upper
left
there,
and
so
we
don't
propose
to
make
the
rock
as
small
as
what
is
drawn
in
the
plans.
So
that's
one
clarification
and
then
I
appreciate
the
representatives
comment
about
the
sidewalks
because
it
you
know
it
would
be
kind
of
strange
just
to
have
sidewalk
in
front
of
that
house.
But
again
we
would
work
with
achd
to
do
whatever
you
know
they
would
want.
If
that
was
a
requirement
and
then
her
final
comment
was
the
design
feels
busy
compared
to
the
other
homes
on
the
block
face.
W
I
would
point
out,
however,
that
staff
commented
that
the
design
of
the
home
is
representative
of
other
homes
in
the
district
and
in
a
craftsman,
type
style,
it's
in
keeping
with
the
massing
of
the
houses
on
the
block,
since
it
is
a
one-story
home,
that's
proposed
and
also,
I
believe,
the
design
guidelines
instruct
the
commissioners
to
look
at
not
just
the
block,
but
also
the
actual
neighborhood,
to
see
if
it's
representative
of
homes
in
the
neighborhood
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
will
conclude
my
comments.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
E
E
E
F
J
So
I'm
gonna
guess
I'm
disclosing.
I
work
for
the
state,
historic
preservation
office
and
I
have
access
to
the
records
on
file.
So
I
looked
a
lot
of
times.
I
look
at
the
records
on
file
and
for
some
reason,
when
I
looked
at
this
application,
I
was
wondering
why
this
house
was
deemed
non-contributing
and
sometimes
our
database
actually
has
additional
information
in
it,
and
so
I
looked
at
it
and
it
said
it
was
contributing.
J
If
you
look
at
the
house,
it
would
be
a
contributing
house
if
you
surveyed
it
today,
I
figured
the
city
is
going
to
do
what
they
normally
do
and
they
say
that
they're
not
going
to
change
a
status
mid
application,
but
this
is
disconcerting
that
there
are
separate
records,
so
I
mean
I
would
encourage
the
city
to
do
a
records
reconciliation
and
make
sure
everything
is
contributing
that
it's
contributing.
What
is
not
contributing
is
non-contributing.
J
I
don't
know
and
like
nina
said,
new
survey
is
always
the
thing
we
are
talking
about,
because
if
this
house
is
the
single
house,
that's
on
the
block
and
it's
contributing,
maybe
that
block
shouldn't
be
within
the
historic
district,
and
these
are
things
we
need
to
consider.
So
that's
my
insight,
commissioner,
koski
to
the
to
the
record
is
that
they
don't
match
up.
I
don't
know
why
they
don't
match
up.
F
I
I'm
sure,
if
I
may,
I
actually
have
a
really
big
issue
moving
forward
with
this
application.
With
this
conflicting
information,
we
lose
homes
in
our
historic
district,
every
single
time
we
have
a
hearing,
and
I
would
I'm
just
personally
not
comfortable
supporting
this
application,
knowing
that
there's
potential
that
this
home
could
be
contributing
based
on
records
that
have
been
found
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
and
at
this
point
I'm
not
sure
that
I
could.
J
J
F
E
F
E
I
I
B
D
A
A
So
the
site
plan:
that's
property,
contains
that
existing
primary
residence
at
the
front
of
the
property,
an
existing
detached
garage
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
The
applicant
has
proposed
to
construct
a
substantial
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
home
that
extends
into
the
side
yard
on
both
sides
of
the
existing
home.
A
A
Okay,
that's
probably
helpful
sorry,
okay,
the
site
plan
again
the
primary
residence
with
the
detached
garage
at
the
rear,
the
property
along
the
alley,
the
addition
extending
into
both
side
yards
behind
the
existing
residence.
There
is
a
portion
of
the
existing
residence
that
will
be
removed
for
this
proposed
edition.
A
You
can
see
in
the
existing
front
elevation
and
the
proposed
that
the
new
addition
extends
both
above
the
existing
roof
line
and
out
on
both
sides
of
the
of
the
home,
drastically
altering
the
massing
and
appearance
of
the
existing
home
and
kind
of
and
overwhelming
the
structure.
You
know
kind
of
typic
typifying,
the
really
the
you
know
not
appropriate
illustrations
in
the
section
of
the
guidelines
that
talk
about
residential
editions,
a
struck
addition
to
the
rear
of
an
existing
home
that
overwhelms
it.
A
F
E
W
Thank
you
very
much
for
considering
our
application
staff
mentions
primarily
that
the
existing
or
the
proposed
addition
overwhelms
the
existing
structure.
However,
I
would
point
out
that
the
existing
house
presented
a
difficult
design
challenge,
primarily
because
we
wish
to
the
homeowner
wanted
to
keep
the
existing
facade
but
design.
In
addition,
sufficient
to
accommodate
a
growing
family
and
the
current
square
footage
of
the
house
and
footprint
makes
it
extremely
difficult
to
do
what
staff
is
suggesting.
W
W
When
we
worked
with
the
designer
for
and
the
homeowner,
there
was
no
desire
to
build
what
would
be
called
like
a
skinny
home
on
the
lot.
In
order
to
you
know,
keep
that
front,
facade
pristine
and
there
wasn't
a
sufficient
room
on
the
lower
level
to
really
increase
the
square
footage.
There's
only
830
square
feet
on
that
first
floor,
and
there
isn't
very
much
in
terms
of
basement
that
we
could
do
to
work
with.
W
H
W
W
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
side
of
the
home
that
south
elevation
there,
what
the
designer,
what
the
plan
shows
is
actually
very
congress
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
side,
so
I
think
only
focusing
on
the
front
of
the
home
misses
the
point
here
with
trying
to
you
know
design
a
congruous
addition
that
mimics
the
pitch
of
the
front
roof
height
and
also
have
a
nice
view
from
the
south
elevation.
So
I
understand
from
the
design
guidelines
that
the
front
elevation
is
often
what
is
most
focused
upon.
W
W
W
W
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair
kate,
henwood
1116,
north
12th
street
and
I'll
start
by
letting
the
applicant
know
that
you
did
not
hear
from
us,
because
we
train
spend
most
of
our
time
reaching
out
to
folks
where
we
might
have
an
objection
to
something
we're
doing,
but
in
in
this
case
we
support
the
proposed
plan.
We
did
do
a
site
visit
and
we
didn't
have
any
concerns
between
the
lot
size
and
the
large
existing
setbacks
and
the
proposed
still
only
28
lot
coverage.
R
We
were
really
happy
with
these
plans.
We
actually
think
the
existing
home
is
recognizable
within
the
new
design
and
we
very
much
appreciate
it
that
they
are
not
trying
to
build
a
skinny
home
or,
as
mentioned
that
you
know,
would
have
the
option
to
completely
demolish
it.
I
also
noticed
that
staff
showed
examples
of
smaller
surrounding
homes,
but
I
saw
that
there
were
several
large
homes
on
the
block,
including
the
one
referenced
on
the
corner,
which
is
extremely
tall.
R
There
is
actually
a
very
unique,
very
small
home
that
sits
just
south.
It
is
just
the
lot
right
next
door
to
this
home.
It's
very
small,
I
think
less
than
700
square
feet
and
it
has
a
unique
positioning
on
the
lot.
It's
set
very
far
back
on
the
alley
which
it
is
a
contributing
structure,
so
it
should
be
preserved
and
I
think,
because
of
its
unique
location
it
just
it
lends
a
feeling
of
of
openness.
So
I
think
which
just
kind
of
further
accommodates
the
side
edition
of
the
home
in
question.
R
E
Thank
you,
ms
wallace,
you,
you
may
actually
have
a
seat
and
we'll
you'll
be
able
to
come
back
up
for
a
rebuttal,
and
I
we
have.
We
also
have
jeffrey
wallace
here
on
the
side.
That's
you
would
you
like
to
say
anything
you
signed
up
on
the
list
here
that
I
have
no
okay
and
then
we
also
have
paul
hoffman.
Are
you
here?
Would
you
like
to
come
up
and
testify
sure?
X
Paul
hoffman
32
35
mountain
v
drive
boise,
so
in
preparing
plans
for
the
home.
Well,
let
me
let
me
back
up
a
minute.
As
was
pointed
out,
the
adjacent
house
sits
way
back
on
the
lot.
In
fact,
when
you're
right
up
at
the
on
the
south
elevation
you're,
basically
looking
at
the
schoolyard
at
the
school,
that's
a
couple
lots
over
and
so
it's
quite
wide
open.
In
fact,
when
you
approach
up
16th
street,
you
really
will
see
this
entire
south
elevation.
It's
visible
to
you
as
you're
approaching,
because
because
of
the.
H
X
Yard
on
the
adjacent
house-
and
so
you
know
the
south
elevation
south
elevation
figures
prominently
and
how
you
perceive
the
house
I
try
to.
I
did
see
the
staff
comments.
I
part
of
what
I
do
is
check
in
with
the
planners
and
see
okay.
What
do
you
think
about
this?
You
have
any
thoughts,
you
know
any
concerns
and
they
mentioned
the
the
height
and
the
massing
and-
and
I
tried
to
hold
down
the
pitch
of
that
center
two
story
area
as
much
as
I
could.
X
But
I've
got
it
down
to
seven
feet
where
the
roof
trusses
hit
the
wall.
I
can't
go
any
lower
and
get
doors
through
there.
You
know
the
pitch
itself
of
the
roof
could
be
lower,
but
to
me
that
would
look
awkward.
I'd
rather
match
the
existing
pitch,
and
by
doing
so,
and
by
doing
presenting
that
two-story,
where
I
did
it,
it
moves
the
massing
of
the
house
to
the
middle
as
opposed
to
side
which
to
me
is
more
welcoming.
X
E
Y
Y
Our
neighbors
paved
and
upgraded
the
hour
to
make
it
a
great
place
for
parties
potlucks
and
get-togethers
in
the
community.
It
was
upgraded
before
we
bought
our
home.
The
prior
owner
refused
to
participate,
presumably
out
of
spite
for
the
neighbors
opposition
since
purchasing
our
home.
We've
worked
hard
to
make
it
our
portion
of
the
valley
fit
in
how
we
paved
our
section
of
it
to
make
it
consistent.
Y
You
can
see
pictures
of
the
project
in
our
packet,
we're
proud
of
our
neighborhood,
our
alley
and
our
home.
However,
since
we
bought
the
home,
it's
in
rough
shape,
it's
not
an
ideal
situation
to
accommodate
a
growing
family,
and
because
of
that,
we
always
plan
to
do
an
addition.
Both
us
and
our
neighbors
prefer
an
addition,
as
opposed
to
demolishing
it
like
the
prior
owner,
wanted
to
do
so
that
we
could
preserve
the
facade
and
the
style.
Y
Y
In
fact,
we
picked.
We
picked
our
contractor,
not
only
because
of
his
track
record
of
taking
projects
in
the
area,
but
also
because
our
na
he
did
our
neighbors
house
their
kitchen
and
they
highly
recommended
that
we
work
with
him,
even
though
our
home
is
technically
non-contributing.
We've
always
promised
our
neighbors.
Y
Hard
with
jeff
to
make
sure
that's
the
case
and
after
receiving
his
plans,
we
emailed
them
to
our
all
of
our
neighbors
quickly,
including
neighbors,
across
the
street,
down
the
block
and
across
the
alley.
We
asked
them
to.
Let
us
know
if
we
had
any
questions
or
concerns,
because
we
wanted
to
address
those
concerns.
If
any
quickly
and
collaboratively,
we
didn't
receive
a
single
concern.
Y
I
think
their
support
is
especially
significant,
given
the
their
significant
opposition
to
the
prior
plans
and,
let's
see
we
met
with
five
other
contractors,
a
few
of
them
recommended
and
almost
insisted
that
we
demolish
it.
If
we're
gonna
go
with
them,
we
didn't
we
moved
on
and
found
jeff
who
could
work
to
preserve
the
facade,
and
I
think
that's
demonstrated,
I
believe,
on
page
12
of
the
packet,
and
for
these
reasons,
unless
you
have
any
questions,
my
wife
and
I
respectfully
request
that
now
you
approve
the
application.
H
E
W
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
additional
time.
I
guess
I
was
surprised
about
nina's
representatives
comments
because
they
are
so
at
odds
with
staff,
but
we
respectfully
request
that
you
approve
the
application,
given
the
comments
that
you've
heard
this
evening,
and
and
with
that,
I
have
nothing
further.
E
E
J
I
I'm
chair,
I
I
actually
really
think
this
is
a
beautiful
design.
I
also
live
in
a
home
built
in
1895
and
I
I
can't
stand
the
thought
of
any
any
home
built
before
1900
being
demolished
regardless,
if
it's
a
contributing
structure
or
not-
and
I
am
so
touched
that
this
application
was
done
with
such
love
and
intention
to
preserve
the
front
facade
when
you
know
it
really
could
have
been
a
completely
different
situation.