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From YouTube: Historic Preservation Commission - 6/29/2020
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A
Hybrid
meeting
of
the
Boise
City
Historic
Preservation
Commission
a
few
things
to
start
out
with,
for
the
good
of
the
order.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
this
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak.
As
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted.
We
will
ask
if
you
have
slides
to
share
or
if
you
can
use
the
planner
slides
for
your
visuals.
If
you
have
your
own
slides
you'll
be
promoted
to
a
panelist.
A
This
may
lock
you
off
for
a
moment
and
log
you
back
in
and
then
you'll
be
you'll.
Have
the
capabilities
to
show
your
screen
a
quick
overview
for
those
logging
in
via
zoom.
The
capabilities
and
options
are
different,
depending
on
which
device
you're
using
if
you're,
if
you're
on
a
smart
phone
you'll
be
limited
to
only
speaking
and
sharing
your
camera.
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you're
on
a
computer,
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can
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called
upon
some
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might
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microphone
capabilities.
A
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you
wish
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over
the
phone
but
watch
on
your
computer,
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phone
number
for
this
hearing
is
listed
on
the
email
you
received
when
registering
for
tonight's
hearing,
for
both
smartphone
and
phone
and
computer
participate
participation.
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are
controls
on
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bottom
of
zoom
to
virtually
raise
your
hand
when
you
wish
to
speak
on
the
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you're
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if
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on
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with
no
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typing
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nine
again
that
star
nine
to
raise
your
hand
virtually
on
a
phone.
A
There
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
If
the
chat
function
isn't
available
for
you,
you
can
email
zoning
info
at
City
of
Boise
org
with
any
technical
issues.
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
their
representative
of
the
registered
Neighborhood
Association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
Commission.
A
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
signed
up
on
the
electronic
signup
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
each
member.
The
public
is
allowed
three
minutes
for
testimony.
We
will
provide
a
30-second
warning
and
then
stop
you
at
three
minutes.
We
are
strict
with
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code,
then
the
applicant
has
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal,
after
which
the
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
Commission
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision.
A
B
We
are
citizen
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
City
Council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
projects
within
the
city's
historic
districts.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
City
Council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal,
you
must
have
your
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
this
evening,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
B
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
there's
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff
applicant,
Neighborhood,
Association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
Thank
you
all
for
attending
tonight.
D
D
B
B
Here
we
go
sorry
about
that.
So
tonight's
consent
agenda
consists
of
item
number
three
th,
one:
eight:
zero,
zero
one.
Three
one
item
number.
B
E
B
B
B
A
B
Okay,
we'll
try
this
again
so
item
number
one
dear:
each:
zero:
zero,
zero,
zero.
Three.
Four
item:
number:
two:
dear
Rach:
zero:
zero,
zero;
zero.
Eight
two
item
number
three
here:
H
one:
eight:
zero,
zero
one:
three
one
item:
number:
five:
DRH
0,
0,
0,
2,
0,
0,
item
number;
60
reach;
0,
0,
0,
2,
0,
2,
item
number,
7
d,
rh,
0,
0,
0,
2,
1,
0
and
item
number
9
d,
rh,
0,
0,
0,
2
4
are
all
proposed
for
the
consent
agenda
this
evening.
C
B
A
B
Before
we
go
ahead
and
approve
it,
so
item
number
one
d
reach:
two:
zero:
zero,
zero,
zero.
Three
four:
this
is
ratification
of
findings
for
10,
12,
North,
15th,
Street
item
number,
two
d
reach
to
0-0:
0
0,
8
2.
This
is
also
ratification
of
findings
for
516
West
Franklin,
Street
item
number
3
d,
rh
1,
8,
0,
0,
1,
3
1.
B
A
B
B
The
next
item
for
consent
is
item
number
5d
reach
to
zero,
zero,
zero,
two
zero
zero,
and
this
is
for
Frank
all
Donna
at
1620,
North,
sixth
Street.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
demolish
an
existing
one
car
garage
and
to
construct
a
two-story
garage
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
an
R
1
CH.
The
Sultan
is
the
applicant
present.
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
and
based
on
the
representation
of
the
applicant
and
lack
of
opposition
item
DRH
zero,
zero,
zero.
Two
zero
zero
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
is
item
number
six,
dr
h,
qi,
0
0,
0,
0,
2,
rafael
strife
at
916,
East,
Warm,
Springs
Avenue.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
demolish
an
existing
garage
and
guest
house
and
to
construct
a
two-story
garage
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
an
hour
2
H
zone
art.
Does
the
Commission
have
any
questions
on
this
matter?
B
Stock
was
there
any
written
opposition
to
this
matter?
Madam.
C
B
B
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
move
the
historic
CC
cavanna
house
from
its
existing
location
to
the
subject
parcel
and
Warm
Springs
Avenue.
Also
a
detached
garage
will
also
be
constructed
on
the
site.
Also
proposed
is
the
house
to
be
established
as
contributing
in
the
Warm
Springs
historic
district.
The
property
is
located
in
an
armed
2
H
zone.
B
B
A
Chair
there
was
not
written
opposition.
There
was
support
by
several
agencies,
including
preservation.
Idaho
norm
springs
historic
district
Association
I
would
just
like
to
confirm
that
approval
of
this
item
on
the
consent
agenda
would
approve
not
only
the
house
being
moved
to
the
property,
but
also
approve
the
Constanta
of
the
house
to
be
contributing
in
the
Warm
Springs
historic
district.
Thank.
B
B
This
is
a
National
Register
nomination
for
512
West
I
do
Street,
and
this
is
a
request
for
a
Historic
Preservation
Commission
recommendation
to
the
State
Historic
Preservation
offices,
historic
sites,
review
board
for
nomination
of
the
historic
Robyn's
house
to
the
National
Register
of
Historic
Places.
This
property
is
located
in
AC
5
HD
Zone.
B
A
B
B
C
B
B
B
You
we'll
now
move
to
the
remaining
items
on
the
agenda
and
the
first
item
to
be
heard
tonight
is
d:
reach:
zero,
zero,
zero
one;
five
zero
can
lips
injure
at
fifteen
twenty
one
North
fifth
Street:
this
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
construct
a
partial,
two-story,
single
family
structure
and
associated
site
improvements
in
an
R
1
CH
zone.
His
head.
Can
you
please
have
the
report?
Thank.
A
A
A
A
This
property
is
currently
vacant,
save
for
a
garage.
The
contributing
house
was
demolished
in
March
of
2020
without
approval
or
permits
submitted
a
stop
work
order
has
been
in
effect
on
the
property.
Since
then,
the
plans
that
you'll
see
in
the
rest
of
this
presentation
were
actually
approved
by
the
Commission
back
in
2017,
however,
they
were
approved
for
an
extensive
remodel
of
the
contributing
home,
so
those
exact
plans
are
have
been
submitted
for
new
construction.
A
Miss
proposed
to
meet
setbacks
and
we'll
be
right
at
35%
lot
coverage.
As
previously
mentioned,
there
is
currently
an
existing
garage
toward
the
rear
of
the
property.
Sherman
Street
runs
to
the
north,
so
that
would
be
the
street
side
of
the
property
and
then
fifth
streets
to
the
running
adjacent
to
the
east,
which
would
be
the
frontage
of
the
facade
of
the
property.
A
A
Again
now
in
2017,
the
Historic
Preservation
Commission
approved
the
extensive
remodel
of
the
contributing
house
which
again
included
the
basement,
large
sections
of
the
roof
to
accompany
constructed
to
accommodate
dormers
and
then
a
rare
addition
in
March
neighbor
called
to
report
that
the
house
was
no
longer
standing
upon
confirming
this.
The
building
department
placed
a
stop
work
order
on
the
property,
the
required
approval
from
the
Commission
wasn't
achieved
and
then
or
sought,
and
the
required
permits
for
demolition
were
not
applied
for
either
and
then
on.
May
8th
2020.
A
A
Staff
is
recommending
approval,
but
I
should
add
that
this
recommending
recommendation
of
approval
is,
as
I
indicated
in
the
staff
report,
is
not
a
support
or
any
kind
of
condoning
of
what
occurred
with
this
contributing
property.
You
know
the
loss
of
a
contributing
house
and
the
historic
district
hurts
the
integrity
of
the
historic
district
overall,
however,
staff
has
to
review
this
application,
basically
on
its
own
merit.
A
I
C
A
Madam
chair
Commissioner
Koski,
the
stop-work
order
is
in
effect
until
the
historic
Commission
approves
the
plans
for
new
construction,
so
essentially
they're
not
allowed
to
do.
Since
we
found
out
about
this
in
March,
the
stop-work
order
was
put
in
and
they
weren't
allowed
to
perform
any
work
on
the
property,
except
for
some
cleanup.
A
And
if
the
Commission
approves
the
project
today
tonight,
then
the
applicant,
the
stop-work
order,
would
then
the
next
day
tomorrow
be
lifted
and
after
the
10-day
appeal
period
is
over.
The
applicants
would
then
be
allowed
to
Rican
to
to
construct
the
project
without
Commission
approval.
The
stop
work
order
would
remain
in
place
until
they
achieved
that
either
approval
from
the
Commission
or
approval
from
City
Council.
J
B
B
J
J
Reconstructed
the
way
we
were
trying
to
do
it
we
were,
you
know,
became
kind
of
a
hazard
for
our
employees
trying
to
most
of
this
project.
Most
of
this
building
went
away
anyway.
There
were
a
few
remaining
walls
that
need
to
be
laid
out
which
we
did
preserve
originally,
even
though
you
know
we
took
the
building
down,
but
we
were
preserving
the
walls,
the
standing
walls
back
up,
we've
seen
other
projects
in
the
area,
particularly
on
15
feet,
15
stream,
where
they
did
the
same
thing.
We
submitted
a
letter
explaining.
J
You
know
what
we
did
over
there
in
the
you
know
the
the
dangerous
conditions
in
stuff.
You
know
just
to
preserve
a
little
bit
of
this
building
we
did,
we
were
our
full
intent
was
to
preserve
as
much
as
we
could
the
floor,
and
everything
was
built
on.
The
building
itself
have
been
added
on
to
multiple
kinds.
I,
don't
know
when
these
other
additions
for
added
to
this.
This
building,
but
essentially
what
we
had
over.
There
was
the
floor
system
that
had
been
scabbed
on
so
many
times
that
it.
J
You
know
there
was
all
these
different
heights
and
stuff,
and
we
wanted
to
put
a
new
floor
on
it
and
I.
Don't
know
how
you
put
a
new
floor
on
without
kind
of
disassembling
it
I
did
not
know
that
this
is
assembling
it
you
know
well,
taking
it
down,
basically
would
be
considered
a
complete
demo.
When
we
was
going
to
put
some
of
the
back
up
when
they
did
to
stop
work
order,
honest
we
ended
up.
Just
they
told
us,
we
could
clean
up
the
job
and
that
essentially
the
house
was
no
longer
contributing.
J
So
you
know,
don't
even
worry
about
preserving
what
walls
you
know
we
intended
to
preserve
on
this
building,
as
you
can
see
by
the
plan,
it's
considerably
different
in
the
original
house
that
was
on
the
project.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
mean
you
wouldn't
know
much
of
that
house,
but
is
still
and
left
there.
You
know
with
just
a
couple
of
walls
that
were
gonna
remain
and
again
we
saved
them
walls,
and
we
were
gonna
use
that
lumber
to
try
and
look
back
a
section
of
that
house.
J
So
you
know
if
we
did
something
wrong
when
we
were
I,
wasn't
aware
of
it,
to
be
honest
and
really
outside
of
that
I,
don't
know
what
what
else
tell
you
I
mean
we
did
the
best
we
could.
Our
intent
was
to
save
the
walls,
it
needed
a
new
floor.
I,
don't
know
how
you
put
a
new
floor
on
it
without
taking
apart,
I
built
a
lot
of
houses
and
and
I
just
don't
know
how
to
do
it
so
anyway,
I'm
outside
it
out.
F
F
F
F
This
home,
without
tearing
down
walls
without
tearing
out
the
floor
structure,
if
the
proper
precautions
were
taken
initially
during
the
demolition
of
this
home,
then
you
could
save
the
wall,
stop
tearing
them
down.
You
could
have
saved
the
floor
structure
without
tearing
them
down.
Yes,
it
takes
longer.
Yes,
there
are
steps
in
order
to
take
in
the
beginning
to
make
sure
that
it's
done
safely,
but
if
those
steps
were
taken
in
the
beginning,
we
would
not
be
in
this
predicament
and
you
would
not
have
said
I
didn't
know
how
to
do
it.
I
I
B
E
K
See
the
plans
that
we
already
approved
there's
kind
of
a
verbal
contract,
of
what
we're
going
to
do
and,
and
you
know
how
they
were
going
to
proceed
and
where
they
is
a
mr.
Litts
enger'-
has
proceeded
in
violation
of
this
contract.
It
it's
hard
to
prove
something
when
they're
saying
yes,
we
agree
to
do
everything
that
we
say
we're
going
to
do
when
they've
already
violated
that
and
so
I
guess
I'm
asking
the
applicant.
J
I'm
gonna
build
a
house,
you
know
exactly
the
plans
and
I.
Can
you
guys
hear
me
I
can't
okay
I'm
trying
the
building
the
house
back
is
not
a
problem
and
I'm
a
little
offended
by
anybody
telling
me
I
saw
what
they
did
on
15th
Street.
J
We
pulled
them
off
to
the
side
and
we
did
the
two
corner.
The
two
walls,
then
we're
gonna
remain,
and
we
did
remove
decided
in
deciding
was
you
know,
let
P
siding
and
it
was
gonna
be
removed
anyway.
I
mean
it
was
the
plans
to
remove
and
replace
it.
So
I
don't
know
how
much
of
this
thing
was
supposed
to
be
preserved
when
the
plans
clearly
showed
that
to
corner
just
about
all
that
was
preserved.
B
Thank
you
any
additional
questions
for
mr.
Lutz
Indra.
D
Madam
chair,
this
is
Commissioner
Valderrama
I
just
wanted
to
say
how
disappointing
this
is.
This
has
been
for
our
commission
in
our
historic
North
End
and
unfortunately,
these
type
of
things
happen
throughout
the
whole
United
States,
and
it's
something
that's
very
detrimental
to
our
historic
properties
in
our
historic
neighborhoods.
D
So,
while
one
must
also
be
conscientious
of,
can
I
do
this
project
or
not
I
think
also
another
element
that
we
all
need
to
and
I
want
to
say
this
more
on
record.
We
all
kind
of
need
to
be
more
conscientious
of
like
where
we
can
and
can't
accomplish
something
and
ask
questions.
I
mean
we
we're
a
commission.
We
could
have
probably
have
helped
with
questions
mr.
litzinger
and
maybe
provided
you
I,
don't
know
if
our
Commission
could
do
that,
but
I
think
asking
questions
is
better
than
tearing
down
a
historic
property.
B
You
very
much
are
there
any
additional
questions
for
staff
for
the
applicant
at
this
point.
Great
thank
you
is
the
registered
Neighborhood
Association
here
to
testify.
B
L
You
this
is
sherry
Picasso,
1110,
West,
Eastman
boy,
c83
702
and
the
Historic
Preservation
liaison
for
the
North
End
Neighborhood
Association
and
the
Association
takes
exception
and
shares
and
Commissioner
costs
key
and
Commissioner
of
all
doramas.
Outraged
as
to
what
happened.
We
take
exception
to
the
presentation
of
the
plans
presented
here
tonight
for
the
proposed
new
construction
at
1521,
North,
fifth
Street,
on
the
basis
that
a
contributing
structure
was
removed
without
the
consent
of
this
commission
and
the
city.
It's
apparent
that
the
applicant
does
not
fully
realize
that
historic
districts
are
not
arbitrary.
L
They're
created,
set
forth
and
governed
by
shippo
federal
guidelines
that
allows
cities
like
ours
to
designate
areas
where
preservation
is
a
priority,
such
as
the
north
end.
Actions
like
the
one
that
led
to
the
presentation
of
these
plans
this
evening
impact
everyone
and,
like
mr.
Venegas,
said,
the
integrity
of
the
district.
It
makes
there's
so
many
people
that
make
great
effort
to
comply
with
that
which
preserves
this
history,
and
this
jeopardizes
the
ability
to
maintain
the
effect
of
the
district
itself.
L
It's
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
honor
these
requirements
of
a
historic
district
or
risk
greater
impact
on
the
entire
area.
It's
an
egregious
action
that
sets
a
poor
president
precedent,
including
the
example
set
forth
by
the
applicant,
such
as
15th
Street.
We
condemn
the
practice
of
illegal
demolition
and
fully
support
any
disciplinary
action
taken
by
the
city,
and
we
do
not
support
the
plans
to
move
forward
with
the
new
construction
and
with
that
I
yield.
My
time.
Thank.
B
M
Steve
Ott
1924,
North
Montclair
drive,
Boise
Idaho,
837
Oh
I
am
the
home
owner
of
the
property
now
and
I
just
want
to.
Let
everyone
know
that
our
intention
was
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
the
property.
Obviously
we
did
not
know
of
the
actions
of
severing
the
walls
from
the
subfloor
is
considered
a
demolition
when
looking
at
the
city's
code
and
reading
the
information
I
don't
see
the
true
definition
where
it
is
defined
as
such.
So
that
is
nebulous
to
me,
but
problem
is
not
for
problem
problems
for
solution
and
realization.
M
M
What's
done
and
I
don't
condone
those
actions.
We
accept
responsibility
liability
now
that
we
know,
after
the
fact
that
it
was
done
and
we're
just
wanting
to
move
forward.
We've
had
numerous
people
come
by
and
praise
what
we're
doing
and
appreciate
the
things
that
we've
done.
Obviously,
people
when
they
appreciate
something
they
don't
come
out
and
typically
publicly
testify,
because
they
get
caught
up
with
all
the
negative
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I'll
answer
any
questions,
but
I
would
like
to
move
forward
and
get
this
home
built
and
move
into
it.
N
N
Yes,
my
name
is
Frank
Aldana
and
I
live
at
1620,
North,
sixth,
Street
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
this
house
has
been
sitting
for
solid
25
years.
There,
raccoon
infested,
broken
windows,
random
homeless
people
living
there,
and
it's
just
been
an
eyesore
and
it's
just
been
kind
of
bringing
down
the
neighborhood.
N
You
know
just
opportunity
for
people
to
move
in
there
and
do
drugs
or
whatnot
one
thing
and
and
I
was
a
a
builder
and
I
built
a
couple
of
homes
here
in
the
north
and
where
we
excavated
the
home
and
lifted
the
homes
kind
of
like.
What's
mr.
Steve
bodies
doing
here
where
we
lifted
the
house
up,
put
him
on
piers
and
and
and
then
excavated,
and
we
did
the
year
I
did
it
was
2016,
so
we
had
a
really
big
snow
load.
I
was
physically
under
the
house
putting
together
the
foundation
houses
creaking.
N
We
actually
ended
up
going
back
to
the
building
department
and
had
you
guys
have
brought
out
the
city.
Boys
II
brought
out
an
engineer
and
verified
that
the
house
is
about
to
come
tumbling
down
on
us
as
we
were
beneath
it.
Building
the
foundation
so,
but
what
I
wanted
to
say
is
with
this
house
in
particular
on
5th
Street.
Here,
a
lot
of
these
homes
and
I
worked
primarily
in
the
North
End
as
a
remodeler
and
a
lot
of
these
older
homes.
N
You
open
up
the
walls,
and
there
are
it's
very
uncommon
to
have
a
structural
wall
built
a
lot
of
these
sections.
You
have
12
feet
where
two
of
the
studs
are
actually
touching
bottom
to
top
plate.
So,
structurally,
this
house
is
garbage.
It
really
is
I
walked
by
it.
I
walk
my
dog
bite
on
the
daily
and
when
the
walls
removed,
I
actually
looked
at
it
and
the
foundation,
the
structural
wall
that
were
that
were
called
to
be
kept.
Those
walls
that
are
called
to
be
kept
or
garbage.
They
really
are
their
complete
liability.
N
N
As
a
homeowner
I
think
they
should
be
permitted
to
move
forward
with
their
project,
because
this
house
is
a
complete
eyesore
and
basically
anything
new
in
the
neighborhood
that
is
rebuilt
with
the
same
structural
and
architectural
integrity
is
only
a
gain
in
my
book.
You
know
it's,
it's
really
silly
to
basically,
you
know,
have
these
walls
be
kept
up
when
they're
not
structurally
solid,
so
basically,
it's
gonna
cost
a
builder
I'd,
say
another
thirty
to
forty
percent
more
to
keep
these
existing.
B
J
Yeah
I
am
I'm
back
here:
yeah
and
I
apologize
for
not
going
and
getting
the
proper
permits.
I
didn't
think
I
needed
any
other
commits
something
we
had
a
basically
a.
J
Knot
you
know
I
felt
that
the
mint
covered,
what
we
were
doing
if
I
needed
to
go,
get
a
demo
commit
his
house.
I
mean
I
apologize
for
that
I
agree
with
the
guy
that
you
know
structurally,
it's
just
not.
It
wasn't
sound
and
and
saying
we
did
saved
my
life.
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
back.
We
have
them
while
laying
on
the
ground.
They
would
just
stud
walls.
They
were
gonna
have
to
be
completely
modified
anyway.
J
For
the
new
window
locations
everything
the
house
had
no
headers
in
it
or
anything
structural
holding
thing
up
it
was,
it
was
becoming
a
hazard
to
workers,
and
you
know
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
I
mean
what
somebody's
like
the
thing
collapses
on
people
it
collapses
on
people
I
just
you
know
and
and
I
agree.
I,
don't
I'm
not
out
there
trying
to
tear
down
houses
that
are
contributing
just
out
of
spite
I
mean
this.
This
house
was
in
poor
shape.
There
was
a
few
walls
that
we're
gonna
remain.
I
saw
what
they
dug.
J
J
You
know
a
full
house
refurbish
like
this
in
the
north
end,
I've
got
a
lot
of
smaller
stuff,
and
this
was
it.
It
was
a
little
bit
different
and
I
felt
like
I'm
watching
what
they
did
on
15th
Street
would
educate
me
enough
to
know
what
I
needed
to
do
on
this
project
and
again
we
tried
to
save
the
walls.
Our
intent
was
to
save
the
walls
and
I
really
don't
know
what
else
to
say.
Besides
that,
except
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
if
I
didn't
get
the
proper
permits,
I
didn't
didn't,
know,
I
needed
it.
B
I
Without
understanding
or
knowing
exactly
what
kind
of
consequences
can
our
result
of
taking
down
a
contributing
house,
we
are
the
store,
Preservation
Commission,
we're
here
to
preserve
and
help
preserve
things
that
can't
be
replaced
and
I
would
like
to
do
is
I
would
like
to
move
that
DRH
to
zero
zero
zero
one.
Five
zero
I'd
like
to
move
to
table
this.
F
D
Chair
this
is
Commissioner,
Valderrama
I
agree.
We
need
to
know
more
about,
what's
going
to
happen
at
this
property
and
primarily
also
because
we
can't
necessarily
recreate
a
historic
home,
we
can't
make
it
look
the
same.
That's
part,
that's
not
part
of
the
guidelines,
so
I
agree
with
Commissioner,
Richter
and
Koski.
We
need
to
possibly
table
this
for
further
discussion.
B
Thank
you,
I
concur.
I
I
have
a
very
hard
time
with
with
this,
I
was
not
present
for
this
application.
Initially
I
was
recovering
from
having
my
son,
so
I'm
not
incredibly
familiar
with
the
situation
other
than
what
we're
seeing
today
and
I'm
incredibly
disappointed.
Had
mr.
listenger
known
the
process
of
working
in
historic
district,
he
would
have
known
that
demo
permits
for
contributing
structure,
our
our
a
commissioner
or
a
commission
hearing
event
so
I.
B
I
A
If
this
is
going
to
be
deferred
or
tabled.
If
it's
going
to
be
to
a
specific
date,
the
Commission
would
need
to
let
us
know
a
specific
date
that
it's
tabled
to
also
some
specifics
on
what
the
Commission
is
wanting
to
see
when
the
applicant
does
come
back.
What
what
is
the
applicant
supposed
to
do,
or
bring
back
to
the
Commission
when,
when
that
date
is
met,
Thank
You
Ted?
Madam.
I
B
B
L
E
I
E
B
So
it
sounds
like
then
item
D
reach
to
0-0
0
1,
5
0
will
be
tabled
to
the
next
hearing.
Do
we
have
a
date
for
that
yet
Ted
I'm.
B
July
27th
2020.
K
Adam,
chair
can
I
just
ask
a
quick
question.
Please,
so
what
does
that
mean
we're
seeing
it
again
we're
seeing
something
redesigned
we're
talking
about
amongst
ourselves
like
I,
just
I
just
haven't
had
this
happen
before
and
I'm
wondering
what
it
what
it
means.
Thank.
B
You
I
meet
Commissioner
Koski.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
your
motion
since
there
were
really
no
specifics?
Could
you
just
clarify.
L
N
I
F
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
Maroni
I
think
a
lot
of
our
responsibilities
between
now
and
the
next
meeting
is
to
speak
with
Planning
and
Zoning
speak
with
the
City
of
Boise,
speak
with
the
people
in
our
cohort.
That
can
inform
us
on
what
the
proper
actions
are
and
what
the
proper
possible
consequences
are
of
actions
that
are
taken
by
citizens
and
contractors
when
a
contribute
is
demolished
and
instead.
L
F
You
know
two
weeks
before
we
hear
the
application,
where
there
is
an
exorbitant
of
information
and
we
need
to
try
and
and
consume
an
and
understand
when,
possibly
we
don't
necessarily
understand
what
the
ramifications
are
when
something
like
this
happens,
because
it
very
rarely
happens
me
as
a
commissioner
I've
seen
this
twice.
This
being
the
second
time,
I
have
been
here
for
going
on
almost
nine
years,
so
we
need
to
understand
clearly
from
planning
and
zoning
from
city
council
from
the
City
of
Boise.
What
happens
once
something
like
this
happens?
F
B
Thank
You
commissioner
Richter
and
I'm
a
follow-up
question
to
that
as
well.
What
would
you
like
to
see
from
the
applicant
and
the
homeowner
over
the
next
month
at.
F
B
B
B
You
well
now
move
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
that
is,
item
number
six
d
reach
to
0-0
0
to
0-2
raphael;
strife
at
916,
East,
formspring
Avenue.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
demolish
an
existing
garage
and
guest
house
and
to
construct
a
two-story
garage
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
an
R
2
H.
So
Ted
can
we
please
have
the
report.
A
A
A
A
So
here's
the
East
elevation,
which
is
the
side
though
or
the
cars
will
enter
and
then
the
South
elevation
here
will
face
the
main
structure
and
this
is
a
photo
of
the
house
and
it
is
a
contributing
house,
National
Register
house
in
the
Warm
Springs
historic
district,
the
garage,
though
it's
two
stories
will
be
significantly
shorter
at
the
peak
height
than
the
peak
height
of
the
house.
So
there
won't
be.
A
A
Staff
did
receive
some
testimony
after
the
packet
was
put
together
from
the
neighbor
one
of
the
neighbors,
who
was
okay
with
demoing
the
existing
structures
and
constructing
a
workable
garage.
However,
they
they
seem
to
be
opposed
to
having
a
second-story
on
the
garage,
but
with
that
so
with
that
staff
does
recommend
approval
of
this
application
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
in
the
staff
report.
Thank
you.
B
Sorry,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
for
Ted
great
is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
great,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
and
you
have
20
minutes
hi.
O
O
I
read
the
staff
report
and
I
agree
with
it,
and
I
I
believe
that
this
garage
addition
will
be
a
significant
improvement
to
the
property
will
be
inconsistent.
It
will
be
consistent
with
the
historic
character
the
neighborhood.
We
feel
very
strongly
that
preserving
the
integrity
of
historic
district
an
important
to
do,
and
we
really
feel
strongly
that
and
in
doing
the
project.
In
this
way.
We
keep
that
in
mind.
The
reason
for
doing
this
addition
is
kind
of
twofold.
There
was
an
old
garage.
The
garage
that's
there
currently
is
an
illegal
garage.
O
Anything
other
than
than
one
sort
of
small
car
and
then
so,
obviously,
that's
a
that's
a
drawback
living
on
Warm
Springs
as
the
as
our
friends,
the
neighbors
can
attest.
They've
had
their
own
car
damaged,
I,
think
in
the
front
yard
next
door
to
ours,
and
so
it
was
very
important
to
us
that
we
find
a
way
to
accommodate
our
cars
in
a
reasonable
garage
and
I
I.
Think
that's
a
that's
a
point
of
agreement.
The
other
structure
is
as
a
very
old
from
what
we
can
tell
from.
O
The
historical
record
was
a
shed
that
was
subsequently
turned
into
a
carriage
house
built
on
slab
with
significant
water
leakage
at
the
base
leaky
roof.
When
we
moved
into
it,
it
would
require
a
fair
bit
of
work
to
remodel,
and
that
would
would
would
allow
us
to
preserve
it,
but
at
the
expense
of
not
basically
not
being
able
to
have
a
garage
on
the
property.
O
And
so
our
thought
was
that
if
we
put
together
a
plan
for
a
tasteful
garage,
Adu
proposal
that
meets
all
the
historic
criteria
that
had
been
set
forth,
that
we
would
be
able
to
continue
to
improve
the
property
and
be
respectful
of
the
historic
district
which
I
believe
we
have
and
our
architect,
Beth
last
and
I
believe
is
in
the
audience.
There
and
I
will
stop
here
and
hand
it
over
to
her.
If
she
has
any
additional.
O
B
G
I'm
Beth
Larson
at
312,
West,
Idaho,
Street
and
again
I
agree
with
the
Stafford
port
and
what
the
homeowner
just
stated,
but
I
did
have
a
couple
little
points
of
clarification.
One
is,
we
will
be
moving
the
garage
and
the
stair
two
feet
to
get
it
out
of
that
side.
Easement,
which
is
not
a
problem
at
all
and
and
one
thing
I
did
want
to
bring
up-
is
the
the
letter
of
opposition
of
the
second-story
from
the
neighbor.
G
It
stated
in
there
that
there
was
a
precedent
set
by
the
Commission
previously
rejecting
a
two-story
proposal
on
that
alley,
which
would
have
been
921
banach
street.
That
two-story
garage
was
actually
approved
in
2017,
the
home
owner
of
that
property.
Just
for
personal
reasons,
decided
not
to
build
that
garage
that
two-story
garage
so
technically
there
there
really
should
be
a
two-story
garage
on
that
alley.
So
to
say
that
there's
none
have
been
approved
is
incorrect,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification
and.
G
B
B
P
P
P
We
took
a
more
practical
approach
and
just
locked
the
ally
from
Elm
to
pierce,
which
is
a
four-block
section
of
the
alley
we
could
have
walked,
maybe
strong
to
pierce,
because
that's
five
blocks
where
it
dead-ends
at
either
end-
and
you
know
we
didn't,
we
noticed,
there's
not
really
a
single
two-story
structure.
That's
a
in
the
back.
There
are
many
one
source
story:
structures,
garages,
dwelling
units,
add-ons
originals
historic,
you
name
it,
but
they're
all
single-story.
P
The
one
that's
two-story
is,
as
I
mentioned,
is
on
a
banach
in
the
1100
block,
which
has
four
Lots
instead
of
five
or
six.
So
the
impact
is
much
less
and
I
think
it
was
grandfathered,
but
it's
also
on
Banach
doesn't
involve
as
I
understand
her
cut
for
the
historic
district
of
Warm
Springs
and,
as
you
know,
as
noted,
we
support
our
neighbors.
We
love
the
neighbors.
P
We
had
a
lot
of
great
I
just
want
to
raise
the
issue
of
the
president
that
we
think
the
Commission
is
probably
setting
by
allowing
a
two-story
structure
where
there
are
none
and
I
apologize.
If
I
missed
the
2017
at
the
921
banach,
but
the
fact
is
they
didn't
build
it.
So
it's
not
there
and
this
would
be
the
first
two
storey
and
I'm
sure
this
wouldn't
be
the
last.
So,
as
I
said,
we
took
a
practical
approach
to
walk
the
alley
from
one
end
to
the
other,
and
that's
that's
a
fact.
P
That's
the
fact:
that's
that's
what
we
have
today.
I
guess:
circling
back,
you
know
I.
We
didn't
submit
this
last
week,
but
then
afterwards
actually
looked
at
at
the
at
the
law
and
the
regulations-
and
you
know
you
do
have
a
clause
in
paragraph
six
point
one
point
eleven
that
anything
has
to
maintain
or
should
not.
You
should
maintain
a
blend
with
the
heights
of
buildings
on
adjacent
sites.
P
So
I
think
there
is
a
legal
argument
here
too
that
just
on
your
own
regulations
that
building
allowing
a
double
storey
where
there
are
absolutely
none
would
set
a
precedent
and
route-
and
you
know
I
would
argue-
is
not
consistent
with
the
with
the
Commission's
regulations
but
I
respect.
The
staff
work
tends
to
been
great
to
work
with
I
appreciate
the
dialog
from
Ted,
but
and
we're
trying
to
be
good
neighbors
here,
but
I
just
think.
P
B
E
A
Madam
chair
I'll
just
add
that
inna
did
contact
me
via
email.
Just
with
some
inquiry
questions
and
no
formal
comments.
They
asked
the.
If
you
know
questions
like
is
the
house
is
the
garage
going
to
be
taller
than
the
house
and
some
other
or
this
axe
met
stuff
like
that,
so
they
said
that
they
wouldn't
really
weren't
going
to
oppose
the
project.
I,
don't
believe
Mina's.
On
present,
oh
great.
B
Thank
you
so
much
and
we
did
have
the
applicant
I
saw
Ari
raised
his
hand.
O
Tom
I,
you
know,
I,
think
my
thoughts
on
this
project.
I
think
if
there
were
there,
if
there
were
way
to
keep
both
an
Adu
and
have
a
functional
garage,
we
would
absolutely
be
be
able
to
do
that.
But
the
way
our
property
sits
and
the
kind
of
the
geometry
of
the
situation
kind
of
requires
that
there
be
one
structure
there
with
with
kind
of
legal
car
entry
orientation,
and
it's
just
and
I
I
would
hate
to
sort
of
not
be
able
to
keep
dwelling
unit.
O
B
B
Would
just
like
to
mention-
and
these
are
my
own
comments
with
the
City
of
Boise-
push
for
more
ad
use
to
increase
density,
to
relieve
parking
on
street
parking,
especially
on
Warm
Springs.
Many
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
huge
slew
of
cars
that
were
hit
on
Warm
Springs.
What
was
a
couple
of
years
ago,
I.
B
F
Madam
chair
I
think
that
he's
possibly
to
me
to
be
a
little
more
discussion
among
the
commissioners
about
it
being
in
congruence
with
the
surrounding
structures,
specifically
on
that
Street
I
think
mr.
Miller
brings
up.
It
does
bring
up
a
good
point,
and
that
is
a
pretty
big
guideline
that
we
have
and
I
think
we
follow
pretty
closely
as
a
commission
as
a
whole,
so
I
think
I
think
there
should
be
some
a
little
bit
discussion
on.
You
know
whether
this
specific
application
is
Congress.
B
And
I
guess:
I
I'm
happy
to
entertain
it
and
I'll
start
by
explaining
my
thought
process
a
little
bit,
one
being
part
of
our
guidelines
state
that
the
garage
or
ad,
you
cannot
be
taller
than
the
main
house,
and
so
that
is
a
guideline
that
we
will
be
implementing
and
we
already
do,
but
we
will
be
holding
to
with
any
structures
that
are
on
Bannock
Warm
Springs
has
very
grand
houses,
often
much
larger
than
the
rest
of
the
East
End,
and
so
we're
not
gonna
be
seeing
homes
on
Bannock.
B
K
Madam
chair
Commission,
Maroni
I,
just
want
to
say,
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
I.
You
know
think
that
mr.
Miller
brought
up
some
really
good
points.
Commissioner
Victor
did
also,
but
I
think
that
this
is
falling
on
guidelines
of
what
the
city
wants
to
see
overall
in
terms
of
Adu
and
creating
more
useful
living
space
and
parking
space.
D
Obviously,
safety
for
the
vehicles
and
seeing
that
dat
use
have
been
kind
of
kind
of
implemented
in
various
locations,
with
our
guidelines
in
mind
that
the
ATU
not
being
larger
than
the
main
house
I.
Think
given
those
guidelines
and
seeing
the
you
know,
the
evidence
provided
I'm
in
favor
of
of
this
of
this
property.
Thank.
I
E
A
A
E
A
A
I
B
You
I
also
want
to
remind
my
fellow
commissioners
that
we're
looking
at
a
home
on
Warm
Springs,
the
alyas
shared
with
Banach
Street,
so
the
homes
on
Banach
are
not
on
the
same
scale
as
they
are
on
Warm
Springs.
I.
Just
want
to
remind
my
fellow
commissioners
that,
because
the
homes
on
Warm
Springs
are
much
more
grand
and
large
in
scale,
so
we're
probably
not
going
to
be
seeing
two-story
garages
on
homes
on
the
Banach
side
that
share
that
same
alley,
because
a
lot
of
those
homes
aren't
even
two-story
two
stories
and
themselves.
F
Chair
commissioner,
Richter
I
appreciate
everything
that
you've
said
as
far
as
the
the
scale
of
the
homes
on
warrens,
Avenue
and
I,
myself
was
a
victim
of
a
car
getting
hit
on
more
screws
Avenue
because
of
lack
of
parking
and
I.
Appreciate
that
very
much
so-
and
you
know
during
this
conversation
taking
everything
into
consideration
that
you
know
mr.
Miller
has
brought
forth
taking
into
consideration
our
guidelines
take
into
consideration
the
discussion
that
we've
had
here
I
feel
that
this
this
project
couldn't
move
forward
successfully.
F
I
feel
that
the
the
property
does
accept
a
structure
like
this
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
designed
very
well,
I
think
it's
designed
sensitively
and,
and
that
was
never
really
in
question.
My
biggest
question
was
to
just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
making
sure
that
things
are
congruous
with
you
know,
with
the
neighborhood
and-
and
that
being
said,
you
know
the
house
is
yes,
they
are
more
grand
on
wormans,
Avenue
and
versus
the
houses
that
face
to
Bannock.
F
So
having
a
little
bit
of
difference
between
between
those
two
streets,
it's
gonna,
be
it's
gonna,
be
prevalent
for
sure.
So
so
that
being
said,
with
the
discussion,
that's
been
had
with
the
Commission
I
do
believe
that
this
is
a
product
that
that
could
move
forward
successfully
and
I
think
it
would.
It
would
fit
the
subject.
F
B
F
I
B
Them
everyone,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
I
think
I
heard
Commissioner
Valderrama.
First
on
that,
so
we'll
call
her
the
second
and
Josh.
Will
you
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
B
And
our
final
item
tonight
is
dr
h:
0
0,
0
1
9
michael
webb,
at
10:12
north
15th
Street.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
request
to
construct
a
partial,
two-story
single-family
structure
in
detached
garage
with
an
associate
with
Associated
site
improvements
in
an
arm
1
each
zone,
Ted
Mimi,
please
have
the
report.
Thank.
A
A
As
you'll
recall,
this
was
a
project
that
was
denied
last
month
by
the
Commission
due
to
massing
largely
the
Commission
thought
that
the
project
had
too
much
massing
for
the
neighborhood.
So
this
is
an
aerial
again
of
the
site.
It
is
vacant
now
and
I'll.
Just
go.
I
do
have
a
photo
of
the
house
that
was
I'll,
go
to
the
end
of
my
presentation
and
show
the
this
is
the
house
that
was
denied
last
month
just
to
give
you
some
context
or
refresh
your
memory
on
that.
A
So
this
is
certainly
a
full
two-story
house
that
was
31
about
31
feet
tall
at
the
peak,
and
so
now
I'll
go
back
to
my
presentation.
So
this
is
the
site
plan.
All
setbacks
will
be
generally
met,
however.
The
the
on
the
garage
at
the
rear
of
the
property
required
22
feet.
A
backup
space
is
supposed
to
include
a
three
foot
buffer
to
the
adjacent
property,
so
that
has
not
been
provided
very
that
will
need
to
be
provided
or
a
variance
applied
for
to
reduce
that
three
foot
buffer
line.
A
But
overall,
the
site
plan
is
compliant
and
these
are
the
new
elevations.
As
you
can
see,
the
project
now
includes
a
front
main
gable,
with
pony
walls
and
side
dormers
to
help
reduce
the
massing
impact.
The
peak
height
of
the
project
has
been
reduced
from
31
feet
to
26
feet
9
inches,
so
there
is
a
good
drop
in
the
height
of
the
building.
A
A
A
A
Structure
single-family
structure
and
then
on
the
opposite
page
is
a
house
across
15th
Street.
Just
to
give
you
some
context.
As
indicated
in
the
staff
report,
staff
believes
the
applicant
has
reduced
the
massing
of
the
house.
The
height
has
been
fairly
significantly
reduced
by
about
five
feet
to
the
peak
height
and
again
with
that,
with
the
incorporation
of
the
pony
walls
and
dormers.
A
B
B
H
H
So
going
back
to
what
Ted
had
mentioned,
we
did.
We
did
want
to
take
the
masking
down
quite
a
bit
following
the
recommendations
from
the
commissioners
last
time.
If
you
look
at
the
packet
and
then
Ted
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
can
bring
this
up,
but
on
page
325
of
the
packet,
it
shows
a
rendering
of
the
house
in
between
the
two
adjacent
structures.
H
H
As
he
mentioned
and
noted,
we
did
bring
the
peak
height
of
the
house
down
approximately
5
feet
and
then
another
thing
we
intentionally
did
was
starting
on
the
dormers
for
both
sides.
We
pushed
those
dormers
back
to
start
about
12
and
a
half
13
feet
from
the
front
of
the
house.
That
way,
it
gives
a
better
perception
from
the
street
level
of
it
being.
H
We
did
go
around
and
we
talked
to
on
the
neighbors
two
blocks
in
every
direction
to
get
their
feel
for
it,
and
all
of
the
neighbors
I
gave
us
a
thumbs
up
on
our
drawings
so
that
they
appreciated
the
improvements.
As
long
as
we
were
staying
within
the
35%
I
know,
Ted
mentioned
that
as
presented
were
37%.
H
H
H
H
H
H
So
in
this
photo,
the
yellow
house
is
the
original
house
that
was
there
that
was
approved
for
demolition.
As
you
can
tell
looking
at
the
peak
of
that
house
in
the
regional
house,
it
did
have
the
true
one
and
a
half
story.
Look
in
the
front
which
is
similar
to
what
we
are
going
for.
The
peak
height
is
significantly
higher
than
the
houses
both
to
the
north
and
south
of
it.
H
So
again,
we're
trying
to
stay
true
to
the
neighborhood
and
true
to
what
the
original
house
looked
like
they're,
also
going
around
virtually
looking
at
the
houses
in
the
area
is
how
we
came
up
with
our
redesign
to
try
and
a
better
fit
the
other
houses
and
facades
of
the
houses
in
the
neighborhood.
That
is
all
that
I
have
pending
any
questions.
B
L
You,
madam
Commissioner,
this
is
sherry,
butas,
Oh,
1110,
West,
Eastman
boys,
g8,
3
702.
On
behalf
of
the
North
End
neighborhood
association.
We
appreciate
the
changes
that
the
applicant
made
reducing
the
massing
and
the
height
of
the
structure
and
with
the
exception
of
the
lock
coverage,
which
I
believe
he
said,
was
an
error
holding
to
that
35%.
We
support
the
project
great.
B
B
Anything
I'm
missing,
nope,
great
okay.
Are
there
any
final
questions
for
staff
or
the
applicant.
H
B
You
so
much
and
with
that
I
will
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
we'll
consider
a
motion
or
discussion.
I
L
I
L
I
O
L
I
Note
there
that
there's,
you
know,
there's
six
six
houses
on
that
block
and
you
can
see
how
skinny
they
are
or
when
the
additions
have
been
put
on.
They've
been
put
on
to
the
back.
So
if
you
go
to
page
318
Ted,
so
just
twelve
pages
past
this
one
there'll
be
a
street
the
street
view
which
mr.
Webb,
also
there
you
go
brought
up
earlier,
I
think
you
passed
it
up
here
you'll.
This
is
what
the
old
house
yeah.
I
So
on
that,
if
you
can
see,
you
can
see
the
the
skinning
skinniness,
the
lack
of
width
and
the
other
houses
on
the
block
and,
more
specifically,
the
two
on
either
side.
So
with
one.
If
you're
looking
from
the
street
view
on
the
new
house,
which,
if
you
go
to
page
three,
twenty
five
ten
and
then
the
picture
that
mr.
Webb
referenced,
which
is
the
rendering
it's
immediately
after
the
floor
plans.
I
There
you
go
so
what
you're,
what
you're
seeing
in
this
rendering
is.
I
E
I
I
I
Probably
wouldn't
be
having
these
this
conversation,
but
I
don't
know
if
things
can
be
altered
on
the
porch
to
make
it
smaller,
but
I
guess
those
are
just.
Those
are
my
comments
that
I'm
concerned
when
this
the
nescau
house
could
put
in
like
this.
It's
gonna
over
mass
that
entire
side
of
the
street
and
the
other
houses
are
next
to
it.
I
like.
F
B
K
Chair
Commissioner
I,
just
meant
to
say,
I
wasn't
at
the
last
meeting,
so
I
I
wasn't
able
to
see
the
first
rendition
of
this,
but
looking
at
these
plans
it
meets
our
guidelines.
I
think
the
design
is
interesting
and
unique.
It's
beautiful
oftentimes.
We
don't
see
houses
that
have
a
lot
of
character
come
through,
especially
when
they're
built
from
scratch
and
so
I
appreciate
the
design
and,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
I
will
be
supporting
this
project.
Thank.
B
You
so
much
with
that
I
will
entertain
a
motion.