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Monday, May 23, 2022 at 5:30 PM
A
All
right
mountain
chair,
it's
5
30,
so
we
can
run
through
the
agenda
real,
quick
and
then
let
you
get
back
to
eating
great.
A
A
Item
number
three:
we
will
hear
item
number
four.
We
would
propose
for
consent.
A
Item
number
six:
we
would
propose
for
consent
and
item
number
seven.
We
would
propose
for
consent.
D
Manager,
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
consent
agenda,
but
I
will
be
recusing
myself
from
item
number
two
again
and
then
from
item
number
five
as
well:
okay,.
A
Okay,
man,
I'm
sure
it's
six
o'clock.
We
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
I
do
just
want
to
make
a
quick
announcement.
Building
one
which
is
the
building
we're
in
does
not
have
any
water.
So
if
anyone
in
attendance
needs
to
use
a
restroom,
if
you
go
out
here,
take
a
right
and
head
over
past
the
second
set
of
elevators
over
there
and
go
right.
There's
some
public
restrooms
around
the
corner
over
there,
but
the
public
restrooms
down
the
hall
right
here
will
not
work
so.
B
F
B
Right
but
no
commission,
no
commissioner,
sorry
yeah
yep!
Sorry
thank
you.
Have
all
commissioners
had
a
chance
to
review
the
minutes
from
the
april
27th
meeting?
B
B
F
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
I
have
been
informed
that
there-
oh
actually
I'm
sorry
about
that.
That's
not
where
we
are.
B
I
believe
that
we
have
one
possible
item
for
the
consent
agenda
tonight.
That
is,
item
number
seven
drh22-00155.
B
Catherine
seawell
is
the
applicant
present.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Was
there
any
opposition
to
this
matter.
B
B
Will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda,
I
move
that
the
consent
agenda
and
the
item
on
the
consent
agenda
be
approved,
subject
to
all
findings
and
conclusions
and
conditions
of
approval
agreed
upon
for
the
application.
Do
I
have
a
second
I'll?
Second,
okay,
second
from
commissioner
montoto
christina?
Will
you
call
the
role.
B
B
Discussion
and
ratification
of
findings
for
approval
this
was
approved
at
the
april
27th
2022
hearing.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
that.
B
Okay,
great-
and
I
don't
ask
the
applicant-
doesn't
need
to
be
here
for
that.
B
Okay,
great
all
right.
Would
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
on
that
item
manager.
C
A
A
The
applicant
has
provided
that
they
have
also
provided
some
conceptual
renderings
of
what
will
be
a
future
application
for
the
residents,
so
the
the
proposed
residents
will
require
a
separate
certificate
of
appropriateness
application
that
will
be
evaluated
by
all
the
guidelines
at
that
time,
but
they
have
provided
some
conceptual
renderings
for
you
tonight.
A
So
as
a
reminder,
the
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
mckinley
street,
the
existing
non-contributing
home
the
process
of
moving.
It
was
begun
without
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
in
place,
and
therefore
the
applicant
came
before
this
commission
to
request
that
certificate
of
appropriateness,
the
site
there
is
that
existing
single
story
home,
which
is
in
the
process
of
being
removed.
A
So
the
applicant
submitted
a
written
remediation
plan
detailing
what
is
landscaping,
fencing
and
dust,
and
weed
treatment
and
treatment
of
utilities
on
the
site
would
be
the
applica.
The
applicant
states
that
the
landscaping
would
remain
as
it
is
today,
and
the
lawn
and
landscaping
would
be
maintained
until
construction
of
the
new
home
takes
place.
A
The
fencing
will
remain
the
same
as
well,
and
the
site
will
be
kept
weed
free
until
the
construction
of
the
new
home
takes
place.
Additionally,
all
utilities
have
been
removed
from
the
home
already
by
the
respective
agencies,
so
the
applicant
submitted-
and
I
believe
you
have
some
more
information
before
you're
here
tonight-
just
some
conceptual
drawings
of
the
proposed
residence
again.
It
has
not
been
submitted
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
application.
B
Thank
you:
were
you
going
to
address
the
the
review
or
the
notification
process
notice
process.
J
Tanner
leighton
811,
east
mckinley,
street
boise,
idaho
83712,
so
laureen
fisher
is
the
applicant.
However,
I'm
speaking
on
her
behalf
as
I
am
the
homeowner,
so
we
started
off
with
this
process
of
sorry
shorter,
so
we
started
off
with
the
process
of
having
laureen
sell
the
home.
I
originally
had
a
contract
with
her
that
I
even
have
an
example
as
a
pdf.
If
we
would
like
to
show
that
that
it
says
the
buyer
is
responsible
for
all
permits
and
fees,
I
apologize
for
not
following
up
to
make
sure
that
those
steps
were
not
properly
taken.
J
Now,
since
I
have
then
taken
over
the
ball
and
picked
that
up,
we
have
made
sure
that
all
of
the
correct
permits
are
required.
All
of
the
correct
permits
have
been
filed
with
sewer
water
power,
intermountain
gas.
All
of
those
respected
agencies,
have
had
the
correct
permits
and
been
removed.
We
would
also
like
to
state
that
this
was
my
wife
and
I's
family
home.
We
do
plan
on
building
our
forever
family
home.
J
So
with
that,
I
put
together
just
a
quick
presentation
of
the
landscape,
the
fencing
and
the
conditions
that
josh
informed
me,
and
I
would
like
to
first
say
thank
you
to
josh
for
informing
me
about
the
remediation
plan,
my
first
time
being
able
to
create
one
of
those,
and
I
handle
all
of
the
landscaping
myself
if
you
guys
saw
in
that
overview
of
with
the
single
family
home
of
the
existing
site,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
other
debris
and
such
that
was
on
the
site
when
we
purchased
the
home.
J
That
is
now
no
longer
there.
The
entire
home
is
all
sod,
as
you
will
see
in
our
second
slide,
but
I'll
touch
on
this
first
one.
Thank
you
josh.
So
all
current
fencing
stays
the
same.
It's
a
wood
wrought
iron
when
the
home
mover
started
to
move
the
home
in
before
getting
the
permit,
which
we
do
understand
and
we
apologize
again
for
of,
we
made
sure
to
save
all
of
the
wrought
iron
panels.
J
I
also
wanted
to
make
sure
and
be
able
to
send
you
guys
some
conceptuals,
and
I
also
have
some
more
documents
as
well,
that
you
will
see
at
the
end
of
this
presentation.
Thank
you.
So
here
you
can
see
the
backyard.
So
this
is
a
full
sod
backyard.
With
a
concrete
slab,
concrete
slab
will
stay
in
place.
That
is
not
being
touched.
All
of
that
wood
paneling.
All
of
that
fencing
will
stay.
That
is
the
backyard
that
then
you
have
the
alley
and
on
my
west
of
our
lot
is
my
neighbor's
fence.
J
That
fence
is
also
wood
paneling
that
will
not
be
affected
either
next
side,
please.
So
this
is
the
front
of
the
home.
What
you
can
see
is
is
also
fully
sod
fully
maintained.
I
maintain
it.
I
actually
just
mowed
it,
so
these
are
pictures
that
I
took
last
week
that
I
will
continue
to
maintain
the
home.
I
take
care
of
all
of
our
landscaping
and
all
of
those
pots
they
will
be
removed.
J
My
wife
made
sure
and
tell
me
that
those
will
not
be
going
anywhere,
so
we
will
take
those
pots
back
with
us,
but
then
all
landscaping
will
also
be
there,
and
this
is
taken
up
against
the
wrought
iron
fencing
that
we
have
out
front-
and
this
is
our
final.
One
of
this
is
the
back
alley.
You
can
see
that
I
even
maintained
the
back
alley
fencing.
J
J
Thank
you.
So
this
is
our
mckinley
residence.
We
have
started
with
jle
architecture.
I
reached
out
to
my
architect
before
coming
to
this
hearing,
to
make
sure
and
see
that
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
submit
in
the
next
two
to
three
weeks.
He
said
yes,
so
we
have
gone
through
three
revisions.
We
are
not
asking
for
any
variances.
We
are
aware
of
15
foot
setbacks
off
the
alley
for
a
garage.
J
We
are
aware
of
a
20-foot
setback
off
of
the
front
we
are
following
and
adhering
to
all
of
those
you
can
see
that
we
will
be
building
our
home
and
also
with
covid
and
everything
that
took
place.
I
work
from
home,
so
there
is
an
office
there
as
well
and
a
two-car
garage
off
the
alley.
So
we
are
very
excited
to
be
able
to
propose
this
new,
build
this
new
home
and
raise
our
family
in
the
east
end.
J
We
love
the
east
end,
my
wife
and
I
are
both
born
and
raised
in
idaho,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
individuals
and
the
family
that
we
purchased
this
home,
for
they
were
the
grandparents
of
one
of
my
great
friends
that
I
was
in
his
wedding,
and
so
we
were
able
to
purchase
this
family
home
from
them
them.
Knowing
that
we
were
also
going
to
be
raising
our
family
in
it
as
well.
J
My
wife
and
I
we
rehabbed
the
current
structure
on
the
home
over
the
last
two
years,
and
that's
where
we
are
very
fortunate
to
be
reselling
it
to
someone
as
home
prices
are
rising
and
everything
so
that
it
can
get
repurposed
on
someone
else's
lot.
I
know
that
we
do
not
have
a
full
set
of
plans,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
and
share
this
with
you
guys,
since
we
will
be
having
to
file
a
second
application
for
the
new
build
as
well,
and
I
will
stand
for
any
questions.
B
J
B
J
So
right
now
we
have
a
sprinkler
system
that
was
in
place.
We
turned
off
the
water,
and
so
we
have
been
very
fortunate
with
a
very
wet
spring
right
now
and
because
of
that,
that
is
why
we
are
maintaining
the
green,
and
that
is
how
I'm
currently
watering
it
if
it
needs
to
be
in
place.
I
have
spoke
to
my
neighbor
that
she
would
allow
me
to
run
a
sprinkler
with
her
words
as
long
as
we
get
that
house
moved
so.
B
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions.
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
You'll
have
time
for
rebuttal
at
the
end
is
the
na
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify.
I
Okay,
my
name
is
sheila
grisham,
1204,
east
state
street
boise
83712,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
that
tanner
and
his
new
plans
are
looking
at
the
setbacks
and
trying
to
follow
some
of
the
guidelines
and
also
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
the
plans
not
being
in
place
first
before
they're
being
approved,
but
so
long
as
that
is
being
done
prior
to
actual
approval.
I'm
okay
with
that.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
very
much.
We
don't
have
anybody
signed
up
today,
but
is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
all
right
applicant!
You
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
if
you'd
like
to
come
back
up.
F
B
C
Madam
chair
I'll
just
start
off
by
saying
reminding
us
as
a
commission
we're
voting
on
here
we're
not
voting
on
anything
new,
not
any
new
plans,
any
of
those
concept
concepts
he
showed
us.
That
is
a
complete,
separate
vote,
so
we're
just
voting
on
the
the
plan
that
he
put
forth
to
take
care
of
the
property
right
now.
So.
K
I
just
like
to
say
I'm
glad,
even
though
this
is
a
non-contributing
home
and
the
process
wasn't
followed,
I
am
glad
that
it's
not
ending
up
in
the
landfill,
I'm
glad
you're
selling
it
and
moving
it
and
somebody
else
can
use
it.
So
thank
you
for
that.
K
D
Manager
just
a
reminder
that
I
will
be
recusing
myself
great.
Thank
you.
I
I
know
we're
not
putting
on
the
plans
I
kind
of
wish.
We
were
seeing
the
plans,
though,
as
part
of
this,
because
I
feel
like
the
fact
that
they
didn't
follow.
The
process
leads
me
to
want
to
see
a
full
picture
of
what
we're
getting
ourselves
into,
not
just
the
remediation
portion
of
it.
But
I
guess
we'll
see
that
in
july,
when
it
comes
back.
B
Yep
great,
I
guess
my
only
kind
of
thoughts
and
concerns
are.
I
do
appreciate
the
the
new
plan
and
providing
that
information
and
that
you
will
be
reusing.
The
house
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
there's
no
way
to
water,
the
grass-
and
I
guess
you.
J
B
B
F
B
Aaron
sorensen
at
1902
north
7th
street,
is
the
applicant
present
great.
Thank
you.
Please
come
forward
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
20
minutes.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
So
the
outcome
before
you
tonight
is
to
request
to
alter
the
character,
defining
facade
of
a
contributing
home
in
the
north
end
at
1902,
north
seventh
street.
A
The
property
is
a
is
a
corner.
Lot
has
had
some
additions
constructed
over
the
years
in
2010,
an
attached,
street-facing
garage
onto
7th
street
was
constructed,
and
then
there
is
a
detached
accessory
garage
and
adu
on
the
rear
of
the
property
with
an
access
facing
brumback.
A
A
They
are
proposing
a
new
entrance
on
that
portion
of
the
home
and
then
connecting
it
to
the
interior
of
the
existing
home
with
a
double
locking
door.
You
can
see
here
on
the
floor
plan
the
bedroom
that
was
labeled
bedroom
and
then
the
bath
and
closet
that
is,
the
former
garage
space.
A
The
entrance
facing
seventh
street
scene
there
and
then
also
the
connection
to
the
existing
home,
which
is
proposed
again
to
be
that
double
locking
door
proposed
elevation
with
some
steps
up
to
that
door
and
then
some
windows
on
that
elevation
as
well.
In
the
project
report,
we
did
recommend
that
that
front-facing
entrance
be
eliminated
poses
a
couple
of
concerns
number
one,
that
it
would
be
uncharacteristic
of
a
historic
structure
to
have
two
front
doors
for
a
single
family.
A
Home
number
two
would
be
that
it
really
is,
while
it's
kind
of
falls
in
the
gray
area
of
what
we
consider
an
adu,
it
certainly
could
be
classified
as
an
adu.
It
has
a
separate
primary
entrance
and
it
is
completely
sealed
off
from
the
existing
main
structure.
With
that
double
locking
door.
The
property
already
contains
an
adu
in
the
detached
garage
structure,
and
you
are
only
allowed
one
adu
in
boise
city
code.
A
So,
based
on
those
two
concerns
in
the
project
report,
we
did
recommend
that
that
street
facing
entrance
be
eliminated
and
that
as
a
condition
of
approval,
the
applicant
is
here
tonight
I
believe,
has
some
further
information
to
present
on
the
nexus.
The
necessity
of
that
entrance,
and
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
B
L
L
Between
the
two
of
us,
okay
and
then
how
do
I
advance
the
slides?
Just
there
just
point
at
you,
I'm
good
at
this
all
right.
So
it's
time
so
really
the
goal
of
this
remodel
is
to
improve
the
livability
of
the
existing
structure.
So
the
existing
home
is
a
one-bedroom
two-bath
home,
where
the
main
the
primary
bedroom
is
actually
located
in
the
basement.
L
So
if
you
remember
from
the
picture
before,
you
actually
have
to
walk
up
some
pretty
interesting
set
of
stairs
to
get
into
the
main
part
of
the
house
and
then,
if
you
were
to
like
just
walk
straight
in
and
want
to
go
to,
bed
you'd
have
to
go
down
a
very
steep,
narrow,
staircase,
and
that
would
be
how
you
would
go
to
bed.
L
So
our
family
who
lives
in
this
home,
it's
a
family
of
three
they're,
actually
utilizing
what
was
originally
intended
to
be
a
closet
space
as
a
bedroom
for
some
occupants
of
this
home.
So
you'll
get
to
see
that
here
soon
and
also,
I
think
a
really
important
piece
to
know
about
this
project
is
the
garage
was
not
a
historically
contributing
piece
of
this
structure.
It
wasn't
even
in
place
when
the
survey
was
done
of
this
unit.
L
L
So
the
existing
site
plan,
we
have
quite
a
lot
of
parking
some
of
it's
non-conforming,
but
we
do
have
two
conforming
parking
spots
just
on
the
the
pad
alone,
and
that
was
something
that
the
city
acknowledged.
There
was
adequate
parking
there
when
we
began
this
project.
It
was
many
months
prior
to
right
now,
and
one
thing
that
has
been
a
challenge
for
our
team
is
the
original
historic
planner
that
we
worked
with
said
easy
peasy.
L
L
L
M
Nia
church
principal
designer
for
ethos,
we
are
at
299.
if
I
said
too
many
of
those
west
moore
street
in
boise
to
when
we
first
started
this
project.
M
Some
of
the
challenges
that
we
had
was
the
slope
inside
the
garage
and
where
the
plumbing
comes
into
from
the
main
house,
because
we
don't
want
to
dig
up
a
bunch
of
existing
things,
and
we
should
we
put
to
put
the
bathroom
where
it
is,
which
is
in
the
back
of
the
garage,
allows
the
most
cost-effective,
as
well
as
less
disruption
to
the
structure
by
being
able
to
access
the
plumbing
and
the
the
existing
plumbing.
That's
there.
M
So
the
remodel
is
going
to
have
new
paint,
new
trim,
new
floor,
an
added
bedroom
and
a
closet
and
the
storage
cloth.
That's
basically
a
storage
closet
and
we'll
we
have
to
have
a
and
a
crawl
space
access
because
of
the
slope
and
the
topography
of
where
I'll
show
you
an
elevation
of
that
which
kind
of
explains
it:
okay,
which
one
is
it?
M
Thank
you,
okay.
So
this
is
the
proposed
floor
plan
and
the
existing
you
can
see
the
top
one
is
the
garage
and
the
other
one
is
the
proposed
bedroom.
One
of
the
things
that's
important
in
here
is
early
on.
We
talked
about
well
what
happens
if
I'm
here
long
term
and
I
have
and
I'm
in
a
wheelchair,
a
walker.
The
steps
up
to
this
house
are
very
steep,
etc.
M
So
we
actually
designed
a
plan
that
showed
an
l-shaped
ramp
at
a
1-12
pitch
that
allows
a
wheelchair
to
go
up
and
into
that
space
at
the
door
without
any
steps
as
a
future
idea.
So
we've
actually
gone
down
that
path.
Hence
why
we
also
have
a
door
there,
because
it
in
the
future.
I
think
it
would
make
better
sense
the
what
else
am
I
missing
here?
M
Okay,
these
are
just
two
of
many
reiterations
that
we
went
over
and
over
again
by
having
the
bedroom,
the
top
one.
It
shows
the
bedroom
and
a
bathroom
configuration
and
a
back
door
still
having
to
access
stairs
up
or
through
the
front
door,
not
having
a
good
access
to
get
furniture
in
or
or
access.
If
you
know
they
were
impaired,
the
bottom
one
is
another
one
that
was
rejected
and
the
reason
for
that
rejection
is
the
time
we
put
the
door
there
at
that
grade
level.
M
You
have
that
many
steps
up
and
a
very
difficult
time
with
much
left
for
a
bedroom,
and
then
you
have
the
possible
you
have
to
put
in
a
railing,
so
you
don't
fall
into
the
stairwell,
that's
there
and
then
you
climb
again
to
the
main
level.
M
M
M
M
The
this
is
the
a
copy
of
what
this
structure
looked
like
historically
and
what
it
looks
like
today.
The
garage
has
been
added
and
has
been
pushed
back
from
the
from
the
face
of
the
house,
so
we
we
really
didn't,
feel
like
a
doorway.
There
was
saying
that
it
was
not
the
entrance.
M
They
literally
have
their
door
painted
bright,
green
to
me,
which
says
here
I
am,
and
this
is
our
front
door
and
it
has
the
pillars:
we're
not
putting
a
portico
over
that
front
door,
nor
are
we
putting
pillars
etc,
like
most
historic
houses
have
here
is
the
the
view
and
again
that's
at
the
elevation.
We
have
to
come
up
with
so
many
steps
to
get
there
that
ramp
would
come
down
it
actually
equals
about.
M
M
Way
over
to
the
left,
yeah,
and
that
was
from
the
archived
plans.
This
is
where
the
issue
comes
in.
We
have
a
slope
that
starts
at
where
the
underneath,
where
that
toilet
is
it
does
and
then,
and
to
level
that
out
we
go
up
that
many
steps
to
get
there.
It
actually
goes
about
four
because
it
goes
like
17
inches.
M
We're.
Then
we
and
that's
why
we
have
the
door
where
it
is.
This
is
I'm
sorry
to
go?
Do
I
do
it
wrong?
M
M
L
This
is
the
third
project
that
we've
had
on
7th
street
in
the
last
year
within
the
historic
district.
It's
quite
a
bit
different
than
the
other
two
projects
that
we've
had,
but
our
our
ethos
remains
the
same.
We
want
to
work.
We
want
to
be
the
first
folks
that
people
think
of
when
they
think
of
historic
preservation
done
right,
working
in
small
space
spaces,
with
a
lot
of
constraints
and
our
team's
just
really
good
at
that.
L
We
have
wonderful
principal
designers,
but
we
also
have
finnish
carpenters
that
can
deal
with
the
challenges
that
come
with
working
on
historic
homes
and
recreation
and
fixing
and
patching
and
using
the
bondo
and
all
the
things
that
you
have
to
do
being
lead
certified,
which
this
is
a
new
structure,
essentially
that
we're
working
within.
So
when
we
called
up
our
our
lead
paint
folks
who
go
and
scan
the
home
they
were
like.
Are
you
guys
special
like
this
is
brand
new?
L
We
don't
have
to
do
anything
here
and
we're
like
oh
yeah,
you're
right.
This
is
brand
new.
So
we're
happy
to
we're
really
happy
that
the
frankens
chose
us
to
work
on
this
project
and
we
hope
to
do
many
more
along
7th
street
in
the
future.
L
Really,
in
summary,
like
we've
gone,
we've
done
the
homework
on
this
project
and
we've.
I
know
we
showed
you
two
of
our
failed
proposals,
but
there's
many
more
behind
that
that
we
we
tried
as
many
iterations
as
possible
and
it's
this
for
this
structure
to
live
well
into
the
future.
L
We
need
to
think
about
who's
going
to
be
there
later,
not
just
the
folks
who
are
here
today
and
it
might
be
someone
with
a
90
year
old
grandmother
who
needs
to
get
into
this
home
and
stay
the
weekend
and
going
up
a
couple.
Steps
versus
the
current
scenario
would
be
a
much
better
and
higher
use
of
the
structure.
L
So
accessibility
is
a
really
key
thing
with
this
home
and
making
it
have
a
very
long
life
also
also
like
giving
the
family
who
lives
there.
Now
some
privacy,
so
their
teenage
son,
can
shut
the
door,
would
be
really
cool
and
also
making
sure
that
everyone's
living
in
a
legal
bedroom
is
a
very
important
part
of
this
project.
B
Great
thank
you
very
much.
It
was
a
very
good
presentation.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
C
With
your
homeowner,
when
they
approached
you
about
this
project
was
accessibility
or
I
guess
wheelchair
accessibility,
one
of
the
key
components.
L
L
I
I'm
shotter,
there
are
two
doors
it
looks
like
with
access
from
the
back
of
the
existing
living
room.
Utility
area
are
those
not
wilt.
You
can
add
a
ramp
to
either
of
those.
L
Yeah,
that
area
was
really
out
of
scope.
I
guess
it
wasn't
a
part
of
our
area
of
emphasis
for
the
project,
so
we
haven't
done.
L
M
M
The
homeowners
bought
this
property.
There
was
an
existing
adu
there
they
bought
it,
as
is
there.
They
have
tenants
back
there
and
the
tenants
walk
on
the
side
of
that
garage
to
get
where
they're
going
in
and
out
on
the
streets.
So
they
didn't
want
to
have
their
door
on
that
on
the
back
into
their
courtyard
of
where
the
adu
is
so.
It
added
more
privacy.
M
And
also
when
we
put
one
of
the
designs
we
showed
you
showed
that
door
there.
What
happens?
Is
it
it's
not
very
accessible
once
that
door
is
there
to
come
up
those
stairs
and
be
able
to
try
to
get
furniture
around
and
still
have
a
walkway
between
the
bathroom
and
those
stairs?
It's
really
tiny
and
it
to
me
is
not
appropriate
for
that.
M
Yeah,
so
then
you
go
up
you
have
to.
We
have
to
climb
up
to
the
main
level
there
and
it's
difficult
to
get
a
bedroom
and
a
bathroom
in
there
in
that
kind
of
configuration.
You
know,
accessibility,
wise
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
provide
the
standards
of
universal
design
with
you
know,
with
the
turnaround
and
that
type
of
stuff,
where
the
other
does.
L
And
actually,
you
can
see
this
really
well
on
the
existing
plans
so
to
access
this
area.
There
was
really
only
one
logical
place
for
a
door
and
it's
very
highly
constrained
between
a
set
of
stairs
and
the
existing
bathroom
and
there's
an
opportunity
to
use
that
existing
window
to
open
the
space
without
really
having
an
impact
on
the
contributing
structure.
K
Madam
chair,
I
have
a
question:
what's
your
plan
for
landscaping
in
front
of
the
garage,
are
you
going
to
be
pulling
off
all
of
that
concrete,
I'm
putting
down
sod?
What
do
you?
What
do
you
have
planned.
M
We,
if
we
did
landscaping
in
front
of
it,
we
were
doing
we.
If
we
did
landscaping
in
front
of
it.
We
have
to
preserve
our
parking
spot
as
well,
but
if
we
can
eke
out
a
little
space
in
front
of
it,
it
would
be
very
nice
to
do
like
a
little
arbor
potted
plants,
not
a
green
scape,
because
the
concrete
exists
it's
all
there.
So
we
could.
You
know
we
talked
about
maybe
putting
like
a
privacy
arbor
or
something
like
that
that
have
growers
on
it.
M
Potted
plants
maybe
a
place
to
set
out
out
front,
which
would
be
very
nice,
but
we
are
very
aware
that
we
have
to
reserve
how
much
parking
space
we
have
too,
but
there
still
is
actually
three
parking
spaces
out
there
without
where
all
the
concrete
is
so
we
could
come
out
to
the
length
of
that
house,
which
is
about
10
foot.
M
It's
kind
of
six
sets
back
there
and
actually
get
a
very
nice
little
patio
space
there.
We
could
treat
it
with
pavers.
We
could
you
know
we
do
a
lot
of
things
there.
That
could
look
quite
nice.
I
think,
and
also
it
would
make
it
feel
a
little
bit
less
like
that.
Wasn't
the
front
door,
because
there
is
a
little
garden
space,
but
you
know
we're.
This
is
kind
of
the
bare
bones.
B
C
I
don't
know
if
josh
you
can
pull
up
this
picture
in
the
packet.
It's.
I
have
a
question
for
you
guys
and
I
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
this
picture
is.
So
it's
the
in
our
packet.
It's
the
third
picture.
It
looks
like
it's.
The
back,
the
back
of
the
house.
C
It
shows
a
a
ceiling
with
a
light
on
it
and
there's
one
door
and
I
kind
of
want.
I
want
to
know
what
door
that
is.
C
L
The
back
door
yeah,
that's
the
existing
rear
door,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
photo
too,
because
it
demonstrates
how
low
the
ceiling
actually
is
there,
and
so
once
we
raise
the
floor
up
for
the
required
slope
in
the
plumbing,
there's
actually
not
room
for
a
door
there
anymore.
If
that
makes
sense,
not
not
on
this
porch
area
but
on
the
interior
of
the
garage,
it's
higher
up.
M
M
This
is
where
the
tenants
will
walk
and
then
they
turn
towards
where
the
light
is
plus
on
the
side
of
the
garage
there
they
walk,
so
that
garage
door
is
where
the
shower
will
be
so
that
provide.
You
know
this
again
gives
us
more
privacy
in
this
area.
M
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify.
N
B
Guys
hear
me:
we
can
you
okay,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
20
minutes.
N
Wonderful
thanks,
madam
chair
kate,
henwood
1116,
north
12th
street
yeah.
The
the
headline
of
this
project
was
a
little
bit
confusing
or
maybe
even
felt
a
little
misleading
when
it
said
the.
I
guess,
just
the
wording
of
you
know
a
change,
the
character
defining
facade.
Since
you
know
the
the
home,
which
is
the
contributing
structure
itself,
is
not
being
modified
at
all,
and
it
does
seem
that
the
garage
could
be
removed
entirely
from
the
home
and
and
not
affect
its
status.
N
So
for
that
reason
we're
not
concerned
about
the
project
or
making
changes
to
the
garage,
I
would
say
we
are
in
support
of
the
general
idea
behind
this
project.
I
will
say
that
the
this
discussion
about
the
door,
the
second
door
and
it
then
becoming
an
adu-
is
throwing
me
up
for
a
loop
a
bit.
I
guess
I'm
still
not
completely
clear
on
what
constitutes
an
edu.
I
guess
you
know
we
don't
want
to
run
afoul
of
adu
regulations.
N
B
That's
it.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions?
Okay,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
a
few
people
signed
up
to
testify
today.
The
first
person
on
the
list
is
teresa
franco.
O
Good
evening
I'm
therese
frankum,
I
live
at
1902
north
7th
street,
so
my
husband
david
and
I
were
the
owners
of
this
home.
So
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
and
david
I'm
a
teacher
david
works
for
the
forest
service,
so
when
we
he
got
the
job
with
the
boise
national
forest,
we
were
really
excited
to
move
to
boise
and
after
visiting
our
son
said.
O
Can
I
please
go
to
boise
high
school,
so
we
were
on
the
search
to
find
a
house
in
that
area
and
we
did
and
we
love
it
and
we're
really
happy
being
here,
but
the
the
main
reason
for
our
proposition
is
to
make
the
garage
his
bedroom.
If
the
double
locking
door
is
confusing,
we
don't
have
to
have
a
double
locking
door.
O
Our
research
on
what
constitutes
an
adu
came
up
with
it
had
to
have
a
kitchen
and
a
bathroom
and
a
separate
entrance,
so
we're
we
weren't
designing
an
adu
we're
designing
a
bedroom
for
our
son.
The
reason
we
did
put
a
full
bathroom
is
because
the
only
other
shower
is
in
the
basement,
which
is
the
master
bat,
the
master
bedroom.
So
we
just
thought
it
made
sense
for
our
teenager
to
have
his
own
shower,
so
he's
not
coming
in
out
in
and
out
of
ours.
O
So
I
guess
the
the
main
question
is
the
the
door
and
it
does
just
really
make
sense
to
have
a
man
door.
I
guess
they're
called
in
the
front
because
that
door
were
opening
into
the
house,
because
we
definitely
wanted
that
to
be
his
main
access
to
his
room,
not
his
own,
like
apartment
that
he
gets
to
come
and
go
from.
It's
really
like
two
feet
and
a
couple
inches
wide,
so
it
would
be
really
hard
to
get
stuff
in
and
out
of
there.
O
So
that's
why
we
wanted
a
door
on
the
front
just
mainly
for
accessibility
and
also
the
accessibility
for
future
purposes.
My
dad
just
had
a
knee
surgery
and
a
hip
replacement,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
have
less
stairs
for
him.
Honestly,
that's
a
side
benefit.
We
really
just
want
a
bedroom
for
our
son,
so
I
guess
that's
it.
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
and
tell
you
our
main
reason
for
this
and
yes,
the
back
door.
O
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
design?
I
know
they
flipped
through
it
really
quick-
and
I
I
know
the
house,
so
I
could
tell
it
was
going
on,
but
I
can
understand
if
that
was
confusing.
I
can
answer
any
questions
about
the
home
or
are
there
any
questions
it
is?
It
has
all
been
remodeled
when
the
garage
was
put
on
so
yeah.
The
basement
is
like
the
master
bedroom,
and
so
our
son
has
his
like
mattress
in
the
front
part
and
we're
in
the
back
for
it.
B
P
David
frankum
1902
north
seventh
street,
so
I'm
an
owner
with
my
wife
therese
and
we
actually
have
three
kids.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
We
have
two
kids
in
college,
so
it'd
be
great
when
they
come
home
as
well,
they
have
some
extra
space
to
put
them
on
the
floor
or
to
have
an
extra
bed
or
cut
in
there.
So
that's
an
additional
space
that
we
need.
Like
my
wife
mentioned,
we
are
active
participants
in
the
community
of
boise.
I,
like
your
model
for
the
greatest
good.
P
I
work
for
the
forest
service,
the
greatest
good
for
the
greatest
number,
so
it'd
be
great
to
have
a
bedroom
for
our
son
and
that
help
out
the
greatest
number-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
time.
Looking
at
our
proposal,
we
did
design
it.
I
took
the
time
to
read
all
of
the
city
of
boise's
historic
regulations
as
well
as
your
building
permitting
regulations
and
the
adu
thing
came
up
and
redesigned
it
purposely
to
meet
the
intent
of
not
making
it
an
adu
which
states
a
kitchen
is
required.
P
We
don't
have
a
kitchen
as
part
of
that.
Just
to
avoid
the
whole
perception
of
maybe
we're
designing
another
apartment
or
space
for
a
home.
That
is
not
the
intent
like
we
said
we
need
a
bedroom
and
he's
been
in
that
space.
P
For
a
year
now
and
like
aaron
mentioned
we're
already
been
pushed
back
a
couple
of
times
we're
trying
to
be
patient,
I'm
not
necessarily
the
most
patient,
patient,
individual
and
aaron
and
ethos
can
attest
to
that,
because
this
has
been
kind
of
frustrating,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
get
some
approval
here
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions?
Okay,
thank
you.
We
don't
have
anybody
else
signed
up
to
testify.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
come
up
and
speak
or
online
great?
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
last
one
minute
questions
for
this
for
staff.
K
I
have
a
question
for
josh:
what's
how
many
required
parking
spots
do
they
need
to
have
for
this
house.
A
B
A
Chair,
I
wish
I
had
a
better
answer.
Code
does
not
specify
what
constitutes
an
aid
you
we
do
have
a
policy.
We
have
conflicting
policy
memos
from
past
directors
in
2004
a
shower
constituted
an
adu
more
recently.
It
does
require
a
kitchen.
I
think
the
you
know
when
we
look
at
adus,
it's
kind
of
a
it's
kind
of
a
smell
test
if
it
could
be
used
as
an
adu
or
not.
I
think,
if
they're
willing
to
eliminate
that
locking
door,
not
an
adu
out
of
condition
of
approval,
says
it
won't
be
used
in
adu.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
and
I
think
that
that
goes
a
little
bit
beyond
the
historic
preservation
commission.
So
I
think
that's
something
you
might
want
to
discuss
further
with
the
city
and
have
that
looked
at
within
the
city
code.
Okay,
well,
you
can
come
back
up
and
you
have
five
minutes.
It's
the
applicant
to
for
a
rebuttal
if
you'd
like
to
come
up,
you're
good,
okay,.
K
I
do
have
a
another
question
for
you.
It's
back
to
the
parking
situation.
Do
you
need
that
front
parking
spot
in
front
of
the
house.
L
I
feel,
like
that's
a
question
for
the
owners
they
currently
park
up
front.
We
had
a
an
open
house
yesterday
and
we
swung
by
and
took
a
photo
and
they
were
parked
there,
so
I
would
assume
for
easy
access.
They
would
like
to
preserve
one
of
the
spots
there
indefinitely,
but
I
think
that's
a
personal
question
for
the
owners.
P
We're
open
to
landscaping
solutions.
We
had
a
whole
landscape
design
that
was
part
of
the
initial
proposal
that
we
pulled
out
just
because
the
estimate
came
back
too
high
and
the
issue
for
us
yeah
we're
opening
the
entertaining
landscaping
options.
The
issue
is,
you
have
a
driveway
leading
up
to
a
garage
which
we
fully
acknowledge
and
walking
through
the
neighborhood.
You
see
only
a
couple
of
those
around
right,
but
we
do
need
some
parking.
P
That's
the
parking!
That's
with
the
home
at
this
point
in
time.
The
adu
parking
is,
would
be
extremely
dangerous,
I'll
just
point
that
out
the
city
permitted
that
and
allowed
it,
but
that's
on
a
blind
curve
traffic
coming
out
off
of
bamboo
brumbach
from
up
high
there
there's
that's
high
density
housing.
There's
apartments
up
there,
all
kinds
of
homes,
tons
of
traffic
comes
through
there
30
miles
per
hour
faster.
So
I
don't
think
it'd
be
wise
for
us
to
utilize
that
parking,
because
it's
not
being
utilized.
K
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
okay?
Great.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
will
now
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
consider
a
motion
or
discussion.
C
Madam
chair
I'll
start
with
some
discussion
it.
It
looks
like
well
as
far
as
the
parking
goes,
I'm
not
concerned
about
that.
They
need
two
parking
spaces,
so
they
have
an
adu
on
the
property
and
they
have
two.
C
C
I
don't
know
that
I
can.
I
don't
know
that
I'm
concerned
about
that
either.
At
this
point,
what
I
am
concerned
about
is
having
two
front
entrances
on
the
front
of
a
contributing
house,
and
I
agree
with
the
staff
report
recommending
that
the
the
door
and
windows
be
taken
out
and
that
the
garage
door
be
filled
in
with
siding,
because
I
don't.
I
don't
believe
that
two
entrances
in
front
of
a
contributing
houses
meets
the
guidelines.
C
So,
as
far
as
my
comments
go,
I
I
would
I
would
approve
the
I
would
vote
for
approving
the
staff
based
on
the
conditions
of
the
staff
report
for.
K
Yeah,
I
I'm
not
bugged
by
the
second
door
on
the
front
since
the
garage
is
it's
an
addition
and
I
think
if
you
could
use
some
kind
of
landscape
screening
that
you
wouldn't
know
to
walk
up
to
that
door.
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
the
front
door
is
the
one
that
you
would
knock.
If
you
were
going
to
their
house.
K
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
comments.
D
I'm
sure
I
would
I
would
echo
commissioner
otter
on
that.
K
Sure
I
motioned
to
approve
drh22-00110.
B
A
Thank
you,
ma'am
chair
members,
commission.
The
applicant
has
requested
to
alter
the
character,
defining
facade
of
a
existing
single-family
home
1604
north
9th
street
in
the
north
end
and
is
a
contributing
structure.
A
And
the
existing
home
has
a
front
porch
that
wraps
around
to
an
addition
on
the
side
of
the
home
that
was
constructed
outside
of
the
period
of
significance
and
the
applicant
has
proposed
to
widen
the
front
door
to
center
the
porch,
the
gable
above
the
porch
on
the
new
front
door
and
widen
the
existing
steps
shown
in
the
in
the
elevations.
Here.
A
Staff
did
recommend
approval
of
the
application
and
I
would
stand
for
any
questions.
D
A
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
montoto
that
the
changes
were
not
significant.
The
the
structure
has
been
altered
since
the
contributing
survey
with
the
addition
on
the
side
of
the
home
and
the
wrapping
front.
Porch
the
widening
of
the
home
is
report
or
I'm
sorry,
the
widening
of
that
front.
Porch
is
proportional
to
the
home.
It
does
provide
for
a
front
door
which
meets
accessibility
standards.
The
existing
front
door
is
very
narrow.
It's
a
2-4.
I
think
this
widens
the
front
door
to
something:
that's
more
accessible
and
maintains
the
proportions
of
the
home.
A
Commission,
madam
chair
commissioner,
otter,
I
will
let
the
applicant
address
that,
but
I
do
believe
that
it's
a
full
glass
front
door.
C
You,
madam
chair
of
another
question
for
josh
in
the
it
looks
like
the
application,
is
replacing
all
the
windows
and
the
doors
and
they're
changing
some
windows
that
are
street
facing
on
the
side
and
turning
it
into
a
sliding
door.
C
A
Madam
terror,
commissioner
koski
so
the
applicant
is
replacing
all
of
the
the
home
has
vinyl
windows,
so
they
are
replacing
all
of
those
vinyl
windows
with
an
appropriate
product
for
the
district.
So
we
recommend
approval.
K
I
have
a
question:
sorry
josh.
If
it's
a
full,
I
know
we
don't
know
the
material
yet,
but
what's
the
city
stance
on
the
front
door
being
a
full
glass
door,
it's
not
really
appropriate
for
this
time
period,
it
wasn't
really
prominent
until
the
50s
and
60s.
So
why
wouldn't
it
be
a
paneled
wood
door?
I
mean:
what's
I've,
seen
a
lot
of
inappropriate
doors
in
our
historic
district?
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
just.
A
K
I'm
sure,
commissioner,.
A
Malloy
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
guidelines
and
see
if
there
is
specific
guidance
on
the
type
of
door,
but
I
would
leave
that
to
the
commission
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
address
that
as
well.
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much
is
the
applicant
present.
B
R
Thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
kirsten
wallace,
I'm
with
wallace
construction,
llc,
wallace,
custom
design
and
renovation.
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant,
and
I
think
that
the
description
first
of
all
is
a
little
bit
misleading.
As
to
the
intent
of
this
project
and,
for
example,
the
current
faux
roof
element.
R
Basically
the
triangle
over
the
front
door.
If
you
look
at
page
eight
of
the
packet,
you
can
see
that
it's
off
center
and
it's
a
position
to
the
I
guess,
as
you're,
facing
the
front
facade
to
the
left
of
the
columns,
and
we
want
to
shift
the
the
faux
roof
element
to
the
to
the
right
as
you're
looking
at
the
house,
so
we're
moving
it
16
inches
to
the
center
so
that
it's
centered
over
the
columns
and
josh.
R
R
Thank
you
josh.
So,
in
that
picture,
where
the
original
home
is
depicted,
the
faux
roof
element
is
centered
over
the
two
front
columns.
So
that's
the
first
element
of
the
change
to
the
front
facade.
R
R
All
of
the
windows
are
going
to
again
be
metal,
clad
wood,
so
I
heard
mention
that
the
concern
about
replacing
the
windows
during
a
previous
renovation,
not
by
wallace
all
of
the
windows,
were
replaced
with
vinyl
windows,
none
of
which
are
approved
by
historic
preservation
standards.
R
R
Great
thank
you.
You
can
see
that
we've
tried
the
design
tries
to
ensure
that
the
symmetrical
nature
of
the
windows
in
relation
to
the
door,
including
the
windows
on
the
added
part,
which
is
the
part
that
you're
looking
straight
on
to
the
right,
are
all
symmetrical
and
present
a
uniform
appearance
for
that
block
face
when
you're
walking
up
to
the
home.
R
If
you
look
at
the
east
elevation
down
below,
there
is
again
all
of
these
windows
are
proposed
to
be
replaced
with
metal,
clad
wood
windows
by
pella.
R
And
I
just
also
want
to
mention
that
the
existing
structure
as
it
currently
stands
it
other
than
the
front
facade.
R
I
guess
it's
difficult
to
discern
what
was
original
and
what
wasn't,
I
suppose,
if
you
took
off
the
entire
wing
edition,
you
could
bring
the
house
back
to
its
original
intent,
but
it
now
has
a
fully
added
covered
porch,
which
wasn't
part
of
the
original
design,
so
at
least
wallace's
intent
and
the
homeowner's
intent
is
to
restore
some
aspects
of
this
home
to
its
original,
or
at
least
the
historic
preservation
standards
to
make
the
windows
and
door
and
current
doors
or
windows
and
doors
conforming
to
what
the
guidelines
expect.
R
C
For
both
for
either
one
of
you,
I
guess
that
the
question
I
have
first
of
all
is
just
confirming
that's
a
2
6
6
8
door.
That's
existing
on
the
front
is
that
correct.
C
Plans
say
it's
a
2
8
door,
so
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
also
you
mentioned
accessibility
and
what's
needed,
for
accessibility
is
a
3-0
door,
correct
or
larger.
C
I
do
want
to
note,
I
guess
that
there's
two
3-0
doors
on
the
back
of
the
house
and
on
the
other
portions
of
the
house.
So
do
you,
do
you
feel
that
you
need
a
third
3-0
door
for
accessibility.
R
C
F
R
Front
door,
I
believe
yes,
you
do.
F
E
F
F
C
And
I'm
sure,
if
I
can
add
a
comment,
it
looks
like
the
the
plans
say
two
six
five
six
window
windows
are
currently
there,
so
if
they
could
confirm
that
that
would
be
great.
C
Madam
chair,
I
have
another
question:
okay,
so
the
the
plans
well
in
the
staff
report
josh
mentioned
that
the
new
front
door
is
going
to
be
a
three
six
wide
door.
The
plans
actually
in
the
proposed
plans
calls
for
a
400
by
eight
foot
tall
door.
Could
you
confirm
what
size
door
your
you
want
to
put
in
there?
Because
it's
it's
three.
K
I
have
a
question:
okay,
are
you
replacing
the
siding
at
all
for
this
project.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
more
questions
for
the
applicant
okay?
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
we're
done
with
our
questions
for
now,
but
you'll
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
at
the
end
of
the
hearing.
Is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
kate
henwood
of
1116
north
12th
street,
and
I
would
say
that
our
initial
response
to
this
was
that,
with
these
proposed
changes,
the
home
will
read
the
same.
You
know
the
general
proportions
and
layout
of
the
gable
and
the
door
and
the
stairs
so
we're
hopeful
that
this
would
be
a
relatively
small
change
to
a
contributing
facade,
but
that
may
be
moot
because
we're
not
sure
if
the
edition
of
this
wraparound
porch
has
rendered
has
rendered
the
home
non-contributing.
So
that's
a
question
mark,
but.
N
Yeah
not
not
super
sure
on
this
one
just
because
there
are
a
few
unknowns,
but,
generally
speaking,
we
do
not
feel
that
this
will
be
a
major
change
to
the
overall
look
and
feel
of
this
home.
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
last
questions
for
staff.
B
Okay,
the
applicant,
if
you're
still
there,
you
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
R
I
just
want
to
add
that
jeff
wallace
did
talk
to
the
north
end
neighborhood
association
representative,
when
this
application
first
came
to
light,
and
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
project
and
there
was
no
concerns
expressed
by
the
neighborhood
association
at
that
time
and
again
we're
hearing
that
tonight
and
again,
I
would
I
just
touch
upon
the
possible
non-contributing
nature
of
this
home,
given
the
extensive
alterations
and
the
proposal
really
is
to
keep
that
front
facade
as
it
currently
looks
and
not
alter
it
all
that
greatly
and
to
keep
the
symmetrical
nature
of
how
the
windows
look
in
relation
to
the
door
and
that's
really
important,
with
this
home
to
kind
of
restore
the
symmetry
of
the
front
facade
and
again,
given
the
non-con,
given
the
non-conforming
renovations
to
the
current
historic
preservation
code,
the
change
to
the
windows
from
their
current
vinyl
to
metal,
clad
wood
would
do
a
a
great
deal
to
getting
this
home
to
where
it
should
be.
R
As
far
as
conforming
with
current
historic
guidelines
and
that's
all
that
really
is
being
proposed
to
the
outside
of
the
home.
The
interior
is
what's
undergoing.
The
most
extensive
renovations,
and
with
that
I'll
conclude
my
presentation
and
again
stand
for
questions
if
they
have
any.
C
Madam
chair
I'd
like
to
start
out
with
a
few
things.
Okay,
my
list
is
a
little
bit
long,
so
I'll
apologize
ahead
of
time.
I
think
it's
great
that
the
windows
are
being
replaced
and
and
upgraded.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
great
new
addition.
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
grid
pattern.
That's
in
them
only
because
I
couldn't
tell
in
the
historic
photos
if
those
were
appropriate
or
not
based
on
history.
So
maybe
maybe
commissioner
malloy
would
have
have
an
opinion
on
that,
and
I'd
be
looking
forward
to
that.
C
If
you
do
my
my
biggest
concern
is
the
front
door
because,
as
far
as
the
scale
goes,
you're
we're
offering
we're
they're
suggesting
a
pretty
significant
change
in
scale
and
and
josh.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
bring
up
the
photo
of
the
front
of
the
house.
Please.
C
There
we
go.
Thank
you
so
a
couple
things
on
there.
If
you
look
at
that
photo.
Yes,
the
applicants
correct
that
the
columns
are
not
centered
on
the
on
the
little
peak
on
the
front
of
the
porch.
Well,
those
aren't
the
original
columns
and
and
that
placement
of
those
columns,
if
you
reference
historic,
photo,
actually
were
directly
underneath
that
gable.
C
C
But
it
creates
a
challenge
for
the
contractor
too,
in
that
they
can't
center
that
door
by
by
making
it
larger,
because
there's
an
interior
wall
just
on
the
left
side
of
that
door
as
you're
looking
at
the
photo.
So
when
they,
when
they
widen
that
door,
it's
going
to
have
to
go
to
the
right,
a
foot
and
then
go
two
feet
higher
or
I'm
sorry,
one
foot
four
inches
higher.
Q
C
So
it
creates
quite
a
challenge
and,
in
my
opinion,
quite
an
alteration
to
that
gable
on
the
porch
roof
right
now
that
cable
in
the
porch
roof
is
centered
on
the
gable
of
the
roof
of
the
house,
and
it's
centered
on
that
vent.
C
So
in
our
guidelines
it
does
state.
I
think
someone
earlier
asked
the
question
about.
I
think
it
was
at
commissioner
malloy
about
it
being
all
glass
or
needing
to
be
wood,
but
in
section
5.8
of
our
guidelines
it
states
doors
are
also
an
important
character.
Defining
feature
of
buildings
throughout
the
district.
Original
doors
on
houses
from
historic
styles
are
generally
divided
into
wood
panels
and
glass.
C
C
It
also
states
in
the
guidelines
on
page
30
that
in
no
case
should
the
new
entrance
be
incongruous
in
size,
scale,
material
and
color.
Now
I
took
that
out
of
out
of
the
entrance
and
porches
section
of
the
guidelines
and
that
that
paragraph
includes
some
other
items
and
talk
specifically
about
the
porch,
but
I
think
it
does
provide
a
parallel
reference
to
the
entrance
door.
C
Just
a
couple.
Other
comments
on
section
5.8
of
our
guidelines
says
the
proportion
of
openings
on
the
street
side
facade
or,
more
specifically,
the
relationship
of
width
to
the
height
of
windows
and
doors
and
their
placement
along
the
facade
should
reflect
the
same
relationship
along
the
street
and
considering
that
front
facade
is
actually
quite
narrow.
C
C
And
then,
lastly,
in
point
5.8.6
of
the
guidelines,
it
states,
you
should
provide
doors
of
overall
proportions
similar
to
those
used
on
buildings
on
adjacent
sites.
C
Now
I
haven't
looked
at
the
adjacent
site
specifically,
but
a
door
of
that
size
in
the
house
and
a
facade
of
this
small
in
my
opinion,
does
not
meet
with
the
guidelines.
I'm
also
concerned
with
the
height.
I
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
fit
that
in
there,
but
the
porch
roof
must
be
pitched
underneath
it.
C
I
do
realize
it
is
pitched
underneath
it,
but
it
must
be
pitched
enough
to
put
an
eight
foot
tall
door
in
there.
That's
my
biggest
concern.
A
third
concern
is
the
replacing
windows
on
the
side
with
a
seven
foot
wide
patio
door,
because
that
does
face
a
side
street.
This
is
a
corner
lot,
so
it's
not
on
the
back
of
the
house,
it's
on
the
side
of
the
house,
but
still
faces
the
street.
C
C
There's
already
two
three
foot
wide
doors
on
the
house
and
they're,
going
to
replace
two
windows
with
a
seven
foot
wide
patio
door,
which
means
you
have
more
than
a
three
foot
wide
opening
on
a
patio
door
to
get
in.
So
accessibility
is
not
unless
I'm
wrong
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
issue.
K
Oh
comment
on
the
windows
what
they
have
currently,
I
think
it
was
a
six
over
one.
It
should
be
a
one
over
one.
So
if
we
approve
this,
I
would
definitely
suggest
adding
that
the
fenestration
pattern
be
one
over
one.
B
Well,
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
do
definitely
appreciate
switching
out
the
windows
from
the
vinyl
windows
that
are
on
the
house.
I
think
that's
going
to
add
a
lot
to
the
house,
and
I
agree
that
the
one
over
one
pattern
should
be
maintained
on
the
house.
I
guess
we
could
discussion
would
be.
B
How
do
they
address
the
sliding
glass
doors
that
they're
in
wanting
to
put
on
the
sides,
because
those
you
know
would
have
to
be
something
different,
but
looking
at
this,
what
we
were
considering
to
be
the
historic
photo
it
looks
like
it
actually
was
probably
taken
in
this,
maybe
70s
or
80s,
based
on
the
car
that
cars
that
were
there.
So
I
well.
I
think
it
probably
pretty
much
represents
what
this
you
know.
B
The
house
historically
look
like
it's
not
that
old
of
a
photo,
but
I
it
appears
to
me
in
that
photo
that
the
little
gable
over
the
door
actually
is
off
centered
from
the
door,
even
in
that
picture
in
the
columns.
So
I'm
I
don't
know
if
that's
really
an
argument
to
center
it
other
than
it
feels
like
it.
You
know,
probably
should
be
over
the
door,
but
then
it
won't
match
the
roof
line,
but
you
probably
notice
the
symmetry
of
the
door
more
than
the
relationship
to
the
peak
of
the
roof.
B
But
I
am
an
agreement
about
the
door,
the
width
and
the
size.
I
think
we
should
maintain
the
proportions
of
the
existing
door.
I
think
when
you
look
at
that
in
this
older
photo,
it
really
adds
to
the
just
the
overall
proportions
of
the
house,
and
I
think,
creating
a
much
larger
door
and
opening
on
there
is
is
going
to
actually
change
quite
a
bit
the
front
character
of
the
house,
especially
if
it
is
a
glass
door.
B
So
I
would
recommend
that
I
or
I
would
like
to
see
that
be
a
solid
door
as
it
appears
it
probably
originally
was
in
the
same
proportion
that
it
historically
was-
and
I
probably
would
be
open
to
other
commissioner's
thoughts
on
moving
the
little
little
gable
over
the
door.
If
that's
a
concern
to
leave
it
where
it
appears,
it
probably
historically,
was
or
if,
where
I
feel
okay
about
moving
it.
But
those
are
just
some
of
my
thoughts
on
on
that
house.
K
K
I
don't
think
we
should
be
enlarging
that
door
anymore,
then
that
was
historically
appropriate
and
also
having
it
a
full
panel
door
and
not
glass
drives
me
crazy.
When
I
see
a
1930s
house
with
a
full
glass
door,
it's
not
appropriate
if
you
want
a
mid-century
house
by
a
mid-century
house,
but.
C
Madam
chair,
I
have
a
question
actually
just
for
us.
I
mean
the
sliding
patio
door
on
the
side
of
the
house,
putting
that
in
the
place
where
the
two
windows
were
do
we
do.
We
have
any
comment
on
that.
As
far
as
I
mean,
that's,
not
something
we
generally
approve,
but
does
anyone
have
some
points
or
reference
for
that.
D
D
As
long
as
I
mean,
if
we're
going
to
make
these
significant
adaptations
to
get
this
approved,
I
I
don't
have
any
issue
with
with
them
keeping
those
and
not
to
be
redundant,
but
you
know
I
I
pretty
much
echo
everyone's
concerns
and
I'm
in
agreement
so
but
yeah
I
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
those
siding,
those
sliding
doors.
I
C
Madam
chair
I'll
give
the
shot.
Okay,
I
will
move
for
approval
of
drh22-00123.
C
Porch
roof
on
the
front
gable
is
not
changed
as
well,
and
then
a
third
condition
that
the
light
pattern
for
the
windows
is
one
over
one.
L
B
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
like
to
ask
if
we
could
just
take
a
five
minute
break
for
a
quick
potty
break.
If
you
don't
mind
and
then
we
will
resume
in
in
about
five
minutes,
we
have
two
more
cases
to
hear
after
that.
Thank
you.
Everybody.
B
With
our
last
two
items,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
drh22-00135.
A
A
The
proposed
site
plan,
the
second
floor
edition,
does
largely
follow
the
existing
footprint
of
the
home.
There
is
minor
additions
proposed
at
the
front
of
the
home
to
enclose
an
entry
that
exists
today
and
then
at
the
rear
of
the
home.
The
home
would
be
expanded
a
little
bit
as
well
photo
of
the
existing
home.
A
It
was
a
little
unclear
exactly
when
it
was
constructed.
The
survey
indicated
70s
or
80s,
but
certainly
non-contributing
and
outside
the
period
of
significance.
A
A
Some
perspectives
showing
the
property
again
the
massing
that
second
story
portion
of
the
home
out
near
the
road
two
garage
doors
facing
the
street
and
kind
of
auto
court
accessing
some
area
behind
and
then
again
and
kind
of
showing
the
side
of
the
property
as
well
adjacent
to
that
cost
and
lane
that
private
drive
so
wanted
to
just
kind
of
quickly
address.
There
were
a
lot
of
comments
in
the
packet
about
noticing,
wanted
to
specify
how
we
notice
and
what
the
what
is
contained
in
those
notices.
A
A
It
does
capture
a
portion
of
that
residential
project
behind
the
property.
It
captures
a
piece
of
homeowner
association
ground.
We
did
verify
that
the
homeowners
association
was
notified.
Contrary
to
some
testimony
that
was
received
and
several
of
the
affected
parties
that
felt
they
were
not
noticed
are
actually
outside
of
this
300
foot
radius
is
why
they
did
not
receive
notice.
A
Additionally,
there
were
some
comments
about
the
time
that
comment
has
received
or
allowed
to
be
received
on
the
postcard.
That
is
mail
that
specifies
that
that
testimony
is
due
five
days
before
the
hearing.
I
think
there
was
some
confusion
that
notice
went
out
after
comments
were
required
to
be
received,
but
does
specify
right
on
that
mailing
that
we
send
to
the
residents
that
that
is
due
five
days
before
the
hearing,
which
would
have
been
last
thursday,
is
our
cut
off
for
testimony.
I
want
to
clarify
a
couple
of
things
there,
but
in
conclusion.
A
Based
on
the
guidelines
and
the
character
of
the
surrounding
area,
specifically
warm
springs.
Historic
district
has
policies
about
the
massing
of
structures
adjacent
to
the
roadway
that
most
of
large
mass,
mostly
most
large
structures,
are
set
back
significantly
from
the
roadway.
This
proposal
does
bring
that
massing
up
front
it
imposes
on
on
warm
springs.
D
Unchaired
no
questions.
I
just
would
like
to
stay
on
the
record
that
I
will
be
recusing
myself
on
this
item.
C
Thank
you
and
I'm
chair
of
one
question
for
josh:
okay,
we're!
So
as
far
as
the
notices,
our
comment
that
you
commented
on,
they
were
sent
out
within
the
300
foot
radius
and
that's
confirmed.
A
Madam
chair,
commissioner
koski:
yes,
we
did
send
notices
per
our
policy
per
the
ordinance
standards,
which
requires
300
feet
notice
with
15
days
in
advance
of
the
hearing.
Yes,
thank
you.
B
Okay,
I
guess
hearing
none
is
the
applicant
present.
Okay,
please
come
forward,
say
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
20
minutes.
S
F
S
S
S
B
T
T
So
thank
you
for
for
taking
tyrone
it's
getting
to
be
a
late
evening
for
all
of
us.
I
am
the
residential
designer
who's
worked
with.
The
ripple
fell
gates
for
quite
a
while
now
on
the
remodel
and
edition
of
their
home,
as
the
planning
and
development
services
has
acknowledged
in
their
report,
the
submitted
design
complies
with
all
of
the
zones,
setbacks
and
height
restrictions.
T
The
report
also
acknowledges
that
it
is
not
a
historic
structure
which,
over
the
years,
I've
been
advised
many
times
that
that
makes
it
even
inappropriate
to
imitate
some
of
the
more
prominent
architectural
styles
on
warm
springs
that
require
amazing
craftsmanship
that
we
just
don't
have
anymore.
So
I
first
want
to
address
the
topic
of
style.
T
The
french
eclectic
style
of
this
remodel
was
chosen
for
three
reasons:
one
the
homeowner's
affinity
for
french
architecture,
which
probably
a
lot
of
us,
can
relate
to
who
doesn't
love
french
architecture,
two,
the
existing
boxy
nature
of
the
home
and
the
stucco
finish,
lend
itself
really
well
to
the
french
eclectic
style
and
three.
It
is
a
style
that
is
not
well
represented
on
warm
springs.
That
probably
won't
be
mistaken.
T
As
I
see
it,
the
main
feature
in
question
is
whether
or
not
the
scale
of
the
proposed
remodel
is
in
harmony
with
the
warm
springs,
historic
district
and
what
I'd
like
to
show
you
now
is
research
and
graphics
that
we
have
put
together
and
and
looked
into
to
show
that
it
is
in
harmony
and
does
contribute
positively
to
the
warm
springs,
historic
district,
and
I
hope
that
you'll
see
that,
as
as
we
we've
seen
that
in
planning
in
this
first
image,
you'll
see
this
is
a
map
of
the
warm
springs.
T
Historic
district
outlined
in
red
and
highlighted
in
yellow
are
all
structures
within
its
boundary,
set
approximately
30
feet
or
less
from
their
warm
springs.
Property
line
the
ripple
fell
gates
home
will
be
30
feet
from
the
warm
springs
property
line,
with
the
main
volume
that
two-story
volume
at
the
existing
33
feet
from
the
property
line.
T
In
total,
approximately
32
percent
of
the
structures
in
this
historic
district
are
equal
or
closer
to
warm
springs
than
the
ripple
fell
gates
home.
So
the
addition
we
propose
does
not
make
their
home
an
exception
or
an
outlier.
It's
part
of
30
something
percent.
That's
part
of
a
trend.
That's
already
present
in
this
medium
density
zone.
T
T
That's
not
the
tallest
structure
on
warm
springs
by
far,
but
it
is
taller
than
the
existing
18-foot
roof
peak.
But
I
want
to
stress
the
difference
of
the
impact
between
a
hipped
roof
that
meets
30
feet
at
the
very
center
versus
a
gabled
roof
that
reaches
30
feet,
as
you
can
see
in
the
diagram
on
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
at
some
point
along
the
street.
T
Gates
have
made
a
very
difficult
to
make
decision
for
homeowners
that
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
you
know
to
stick
with
and
not
change
their
existing
eight
foot
main
level
they're
doing
a
lot
of
changes,
but
they're
keeping
this
trying
to
be
respectful
of
massing
and
keep
this
low,
so
they're,
maintaining
the
eight
foot
ceiling
on
the
ground
level
and
their
second
story
addition
is
actually
a
six
foot
top
plate
and
then
roof
slopes
up
from
there,
making
it
less
than
the
impact
of
a
typical
straight
up
two
story,
but
still
maintaining
very
firmly
to
that
french
eclectic
style
which
calls
for
some
grandeur
some
walls
that
come
straight
up,
dormers
and
windows
that
line
up
beautifully
on
the
home.
T
The
ripple
fell
gates
will
not
be
the
first
modern
day,
non-contributing
home,
to
be
tall
around
30
feet
from
the
property
line
and
a
worthy
addition
to
warm
springs.
Here
we
see
two
examples
that
you
have
probably
all
passed
and
admired
as
I
have
on
warm
springs
on
the
left.
The
home
was
built
in
1987.,
it's
closer
and
taller,
and
the
townhouses
on
the
right
were
built
in
1996..
T
T
This
is
a
photo
of
the
existing
ripple,
fell,
gate
home
and,
while
it's
very
special
to
jessica
felgate
having
grown
up
there,
it's
one
of
my
least
favorite
homes
on
warm
springs.
It's
it's
plain.
It
has
modern
type
windows
pushed
to
the
corners
it
it
in
no
way
contributes
to
the
goals
of
warm
springs.
District.
T
Because
of
that
held
back
second
story,
it
really
doesn't
have
the
height
and
volume
impact
that
I
think
the
flat
elevations
give
that
there's
no
doubt
that
this
is
a
significant
aesthetic
improvement
on.
What's
there
right
now,
it's
an
upgrade
from
quality
materials
to
scale
and
proportion,
and
it
it
matches
and
and
meets
its
fellow
warm
springs
neighbors
in
that
in
that
way,
we
really
have
spent
time
on
this
to
be
sensitive
to
those
issues.
T
Knowing
we're
kind
of
locked
into
a
building
footprint
that
is
closer
than
most
large
homes
on
warm
springs
are,
and
we
just
urge
you
to
please
let
warm
springs.
Have
this
upgrade
and
let
the
ripple
fell
gates
and
transform
their
home
into
this
beautiful
stately
respectful
home.
I
appreciate
you
listening.
B
Great
thank
you.
It
was
there
anybody
else
that
wanted
to
speak
as
well.
When
you're
in
your
group,
I
don't.
U
We
looked
at
the
other
house
that
wasn't
remodeled
at
the
time
and
when
all
the
neighbors
had
a
problem
with
that
addition,
my
in-laws
and
and
me
being
there
through
a
party
to
help,
get
support
and
a
feeling
of
neighborly
love
for
lack
of
better
words.
U
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
point
out
is
between
that
time,
and
this
time
I
started
a
business
and
we
had
moved
to
a
neighborhood
in
avenue
d
and
we
had
to
sell
our
home
because
I
couldn't
afford
to
keep
the
home
and
maintain
the
business.
I
give
every
one
of
my
employees,
health
care.
I
have
40
employees
in
town.
I
pay
generous
taxes
for
for
this
town
and
for
everything
around
us,
I'm.
Finally,
in
a
position
where
I
can
do
something,
I'm
a
little
nervous.
U
To
meet
the
recommendations
that
josh
talked
about
is
not
affordable
and
I
can't
wait
any
longer,
I'm
48
years
old.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say.
B
U
B
I
Thanks
hi,
I'm
sheila
grisham
1204,
east
state
street
boise
83712,
madam
chair
and
commissioners.
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
ina
tonight,
but
I
will
be
turning
over
my
time
to
the
warm
springs
historic
district.
Before
I
do
that,
however,
I
would
like
to
address
the
issues
of
the
application
notices,
since
this
was
brought
up
in
the
warm
springs
historic
district
comments
in
their
written
testimony.
I
I
would
like
to
say
that
greg
astro
and
myself
receive
these
emails
from
the
city
and
we
do
forward
the
ones
that
are
relating
to
warren
springs
avenue
to
them.
These
emails,
however,
usually
come
on
a
friday,
and
sometimes
I
don't
get
to
forward
them
until
monday
and
that's
exactly
what
happened
this
time
along
with
that,
the
mailing
notices
from
the
city
were
delayed
either
by
the
city
or
by
the
post
office,
which
didn't
allow
for
enough
time
for
the
comments,
especially
when
you
have
several
volunteers.
I
Seven
days
just
isn't
always
enough,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
heard
josh
say
that
the
seven
days
wasn't
a
thing,
but
when
we
get
our
emails,
that's
what
they
say.
We
have
seven
days
to
comment
and
that,
after
that,
I
don't
know
what
happens,
but
that's
what
we're
given.
So
this
isn't
on
josh,
it's
an
issue
with
the
process
and
we
would
like
to
work
together
with
the
city
to
work
to
make
it
so
that
this
doesn't
happen
again.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
V
Lonnie
purvis
511
springs,
boise,
83712
and
melissa
normally
does
this,
I
think
you
guys
know
so.
I'm
just
going
to
read
the
letter
directly
commissioners
and
interested
attendees,
I'm
lonnie
purvis
and
I'm
a
board
member
representing
the
warm
springs
historic
district
association.
Commissioners.
You
should
have
received
our
letter
in
your
packet.
If
not,
I
can
hand
it
out
to
you.
I
actually
can't
do
that
or
you
can
read
it
if
there's
time.
V
The
decision
you
make
here
tonight
is
crucial
to
the
future
of
the
warm
springs,
historic
district
and
historic
preservation
throughout
the
city.
This
particular
half-acre
property
property
of
515
worm
springs
avenue
is
located
on
portion
of
warm
springs
avenue
with
prominent
and
beloved
homes,
including
many
favorites.
The
queen
anne
home,
at
1504
warm
springs
avenue
designed
in
1899
by
architect,
j.e
tortola
suit.
V
V
By
the
way,
this
is
a
private
lane,
along
with
a
planting
strip
that
is
owned
by
the
warm
springs,
hollow
homeowners,
association,
the
overall
height
and
setback
and
continued
are
combined,
would
create
an
imposing
and
very
visible
structure
on
warm
springs.
That
is
out
of
content
with
the
surrounding
historic
homes.
There
would
be
nothing
else
like
it
in
the
historic
district,
major
street
front,
remodels
should
blend
into
the
existing
neighborhood.
Because
of
these
reasons
we
ask
that
you
deny
this
application
as
proposed.
We
look
forward
to
seeing
a
modified
version
of
this
plan.
B
Thank
you.
I
just
have
one
quick
question
for
you:
if
one
of
the
comments
is
the
encroachment
to
warm
springs
and
and
if
I'm
looking
at
the
plans
all
correctly,
the
only
thing
that
is
making
the
house
closer
to
warm
springs
is
the
the
porch
and
the
front
door.
That's
added
into
the
the
middle,
if
that,
if
that
wasn't
there,
and
it
had
stayed
either
flat
with
the
front
facade
or
indented
like
it
was
originally
that
wouldn't
be
a
concern.
I'm
assuming
with
the
with
that.
R
B
Okay,
okay:
are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
neighborhood
association.
B
Thank
you.
I
am
speaking
late
and
we
do
have
some
members
of
the
publix
signed
up
to
test
it.
Well,
lonnie
you
were
on
there.
I
think
we
just
have
one
person
signed
up
tonight.
Chris
mckinney
hi,
please
come
forward
set
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
W
We
are
writing
today
to
express
our
support
of
the
proposed
remodel
of
the
second
story.
Edition
of
the
resident
located
at
1515
east
warm
springs
avenue.
We
live
across
the
street
from
the
subject.
Property
at
1522,
east
warm
springs
avenue.
We
received
a
public
hearing
notice,
postcard
from
the
city
of
boise
a
couple
weeks
ago,
informing
us
about
the
upcoming
public
hearing
and
also
discussed
the
project.
W
J
W
Yeah
go
ahead:
hello,
friends,
we
live
at
1607,
warm
springs
avenue
our
neighbors
at
1515.
Warm
springs,
have
a
proposal
under
consideration.
We
have
reviewed
the
plans
and
believe
the
changes
they
propose
will
add
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
neighborhood.
W
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
anybody
sign
anyone
online
that
would
like
to
testify
tonight?
Okay,.
H
H
We
get
quite
a
bit
of
east
light
now
and
I
believe
the
home
will
actually
be
quite
a
bit
closer
to
costing
than
the
drawings
depict.
I
feel
some
of
the
drawings
are
deceptive.
The
angle
showing
a
larger
front
yard
shorter
roof
than
reality.
We've
lived
here
we're
in
our
sixth
year
here
we
have
a
historically
significant
home
that
we
have
remodeled
and
renovated
according
to
the
rules
and
regulations
of
boise,
while
the
ripple
fell,
gates
seem
to
be
lovely
people,
and
I
understand
their
need
to.
H
You
know,
have
a
home
there's
also
historic
regulations
which
we
all
have
to
abide
by,
and
the
house
is
simply
too
close
to
warm
springs
for
the
height
that's
proposed.
They
have
a
half
acre
lot,
which
is
a
very
large
lot.
It's
twice
the
size
of
mine,
and
so
I
think
they
have
some
options,
and
that's
really
all
I
have
to
say.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
anybody
else
online
wishing
to
testify?
Okay,
it
appears
we
do
not.
Are
there
any
last-minute
questions
for
staff.
T
Thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
so
much
the
comments
and
in
favor
of
this
home
and-
and
I
also
appreciate
those
that
are
concerned-
and
I
understand
when
you
have
a
beautiful
historic
home,
there's
a
lot
of
worry
of,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
non-contributing
home
across
the
street,
because
we've
all
seen
a
lot
of
crazy
things
happen
with
those
properties
that
aren't
locked
into
or
or
don't
have
a
basis
to
start
from
to
to
respect
an
existing
historic
style.
I
do
think
that
again
it's
true
flat
elevations
are
deceptive.
T
It
really
does
make.
It
seem
like
that.
30-Foot
peak
is
right
up
on
you
and
hopefully
the
graphics.
I
showed
you
helped
to
to
explain
something
that
you
already
know
about
a
hipster
roof.
You
know
that
that
height
is
is
far
back,
that
the
ripple
fell.
Gates
have
been
very
sensitive
to
pulling
that
height
down
as
much
as
they
can,
while
still
respecting
an
architectural
style
that
they've
chosen
and
and
getting
that
extra
space
that
they
need.
Also,
I
think,
there's
great
value
in
sticking
to
the
existing
footprint
with
a
double
lot.
T
There
is
a
temptation
right
to
just
go
for
50
coverage
and
just
beg
for
approval,
which
happens
a
lot,
and
this
is
really
respectful
and
considerate
of
them.
I
think
to
hold
back
to
stick
with
the
existing
footprint
and
to
try
to
balance
all
those
things
their
desire
for
the
french
eclectic,
the
existing
structure,
the
historic
massing
of
everything,
sorry
around
them,
and
so
we
just
urge
you
to
again.
T
Half
of
that
lot
does
have
a
grove
of
trees,
which
was
like
I
forget,
the
tugley
wood
or
something
that
jessica
used
to
play
in
as
a
kid
and
it's
bordered
by
a
chain-link
fence
which
is
really
inappropriate
for
warm
springs.
It's
been
there,
for,
I
don't
know
for
I
think
forever,
but
that
is
also
part
of
this:
we're
not
just
establishing
a
style
and
remedying
the
home.
We're
also
pulling
down
that
chain
link
fence,
putting
up
a
partial
height,
stucco
wall
with
a
wrought
iron
fence
above
to
create
a
garden
wall.
T
B
Thank
you.
I
actually
have
a
question
for
you,
because
it
there
seems
like
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion
in
in
some
of
the
questions
that
the
public
has
had.
But
if
I,
if
I'm
looking
at
your
plans,
how
you
have
them
on
on
your
plans,
you're
only
the
only
direction
towards
a
street
that
you're
extending
is
two
warm
springs.
B
Some
amount
I
can't
quite
tell
how
far,
but
for
the
okay
for
the
entrance,
but
you
aren't
and
you
aren't
expanding
any
towards
costing
at
all.
No.
T
None
at
all,
that's
staying
on
the
existing
foundation
line,
okay
and
the
amount
that
is
moving
forward,
that
three
feet:
it's
single
level,
not
even
with
the
roof.
It
has
a
flat
roof
with
a
drain
and
coping
and
the
front
door
is
not
being
moved
forward.
To
that
point,
that's
actually
held
back
for
the
porch
right.
B
B
I
T
I
I'm
a
little
torn
on
this
one.
I
understand
that
josh
got
the
stuff
in
the
mail
on
time,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
from
the
letters
that
it
really
got
to
people
on
time
or
that
they
understood
when
they
could
comment
appropriately,
and
so.
For
that
reason
I
think
I
would
actually
defer
this
to
allow
for
appropriate
comment.
B
I
guess
just
to
comment
on
that.
I
could
probably
go
either
way.
I
I
mean
I
hear
your
concern,
but
we
had
we
did.
We
received
some
late
note
commentary,
so
it
did
seem
like
if
you
maybe
missed
that
or
misinterpreted
the
intent
of
the
notification
there
was.
C
Yeah,
madam
chair
and
and
commissioner
otter,
I
that
is
that's
a
tough
one.
C
It
does
sound
based
on
the
staff
report
that,
according
to
city
ordinance
stuff,
was
sent
out
on
time.
I
I
would
imagine
that
that
portion
of
our
city
government
has
made
a
determination
that
how
many
days
ahead
of
time
that
sent
out
is
based
on
everything
from
the
post
office
to
holidays
and
weekends
and
all
that
stuff.
I
I
can't.
I
don't
know
that
for
sure,
so
I'm
gonna
have
to
have
to
say
based
on
that.
C
It
was
sent
out
on
time
and
according
to
the
order
and
said
I'm
okay
with
that.
I
would
also
say
too
that
you
know
I
live
in
it.
You
know
we're
all
neighbors
of
somebody
else.
You
know
we
all
have
you
know
homes
and
sometimes
we
feel
we
should
have
been
notified,
and
we
don't
understand
that
it's
only
a
300
foot
radius.
You
know
we
feel
like
it
should
be
more
we'd
or
we
don't
get
it.
C
So
we
say
we
didn't
get
a
notice
when
you
never
were
going
to
get
one,
because
it
isn't
part
of
the
ordinance.
So
I
underst,
I
can
understand
the
frustration
and
and
thought,
but
it
sounds
like
we,
the
city
did
the
right
thing.
K
K
I'm
actually
fine
with
the
design,
I'm
fine
with
the
height
the
hip
roof
will
go
we'll
go
back.
There
are
plenty
of
houses
that
on
warm
springs
that
are
not
set
as
far
back
as
some
of
the
other
historic
historic
homes
and
I'm
glad
you're,
not
starting
new
and
I'm
glad
you're
not
tearing
it
down.
I'm
glad
you're,
starting
with
the
basis
of
what
you
have,
because
I
hate
when
things
go
to
landfill,
even
if
they're,
not
historic,
I
think
it's
a
waste.
So
that's
where
I
stand.
I
will
support
this
application.
B
Well,
I
will,
I
will
comment
quickly
and
I
I
agree
completely
agree
that
you
are
attempting
to
save
the
house.
Is,
it
is
great
and
at
least
the
shape
of
the
house
and
I'm
a
little
bit
unclear
how
much
of
the
existing
walls
will
will
be
saved,
but
it's
it's
all.
It
appears
to
all
be
in
the
same
footprint,
and
I
appreciate
that
I'm
sure
the
foundations
are
all
the
same,
and
I
think
that's
great.
B
I
think
that
doing
a
style,
that's
not
found
on
warm
springs
is
actually
you
know,
makes
it
better,
in
my
opinion,
than
trying
to
emulate
some
of
the
historic
homes
on
that
street,
and
I
would
also
be
in
support
of
this
application.
G
Out
of
chair,
I
would
just
say
that
I
piggyback
off
of
all
those
comments.
I
don't
particularly
have
any
issues
with
it
and
I
agree
that
the
elevations
are
kind
of.
They
definitely
seem
as
though
it's
set
far
forward,
but
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
the
height
the
way
that
it's
represented.
C
C
C
I'm
I'm
torn
a
little
bit
with
that,
because
the
guidelines
leave
it
up
for
interpretation
there,
and
if
this
was
a
new
house,
you
know,
I
would
say
absolutely
not.
It's
got
to
be
set
back
to
match
the
other
setbacks
of
the
taller
houses
close
to
the
road.
Now
the
applicant
obviously
presented
some
other
cases
and
photos
on
the
block
that
showed
taller
ones
closer
to
the
closer
to
the
front.
B
B
But,
as
commissioner
molloy
pointed
out,
there
are
a
lot
of
other
houses
that
set
back
at
the
same
distance
and
that
probably
just
adds
a
little
bit
to
the
eclectic
nature
of
warm
springs.
So
I
am
I'm
I'm
fine,
actually,
with
that
height
and
being
close
to
the
road,
because
they
are
reusing.
The
house.
C
I'm
jerry,
I
agree
with
you
that
on
that
too,
and
I
like
the
design
good
job
on
the
design
that
obviously
a
lot
of
work
was
put
into
that.
We
see
a
lot
of
designs
up
here
that
are
not
not
very
good.
Unfortunately,
and
I
think
this
one
was
a
great
one,
so.
I
Madam
chair,
I
came
into
this
very
negative
on
this
house.
I
thought
I
was
way
too
close
and
it
was
going
to
be
too
high.
Your
presentation
was
excellent.
Definitely
changed
my
mind
on
that
and
I
would
recommend
going
and
talking
to
the
neighborhood
associations
and
showing
them
that
presentation,
because
they
do
feel
like
they
got
kind
of
left
behind.
It
sounds
like
and
be
worth
having
giving
them
that
shout
out.
B
B
F
B
A
A
So
the
site
plan
here
they
have
have
proposed
again
substantially
remodeling,
that
existing
non-contributing
home
constructing
an
addition
on
the
rear,
modifying
the
front
porch.
A
The
item
that
requires
commission
review
is
the
addition
of
the
adu
above
that
existing
garage
along
the
alley,
so
the
proposed
adu
is
is
depicted
here.
The
applicant
did,
after
conversations
with
nina,
submit
revised
plans
shown
here
that
eliminated
a
balcony
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
adu.
A
There
was
a
potential
for
some
privacy
concerns
on
the
adjacent
property
that
was
eliminated,
so
you
have
here
at
the
north
elevation
facing
the
alley
with
that
garage
door
and
then
the
adu
above
the
edu
is
taller
than
the
existing
home,
and
that
is
something
that
we
often
see
in
situations
where
there's
an
existing
single
story,
home
they're,
maintaining
an
existing
garage
so
to
get
the
living
space
above
that
garage.
A
A
With
that
we
did
recommend
approval
of
the
application
stand
for
any
questions.
C
Ma'am
cherry,
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
Okay,
it
was
difficult
to
see
that
it
didn't
appear
that
the
drawings
had
any
height
on
them
and
if,
if
josh,
were
you
able
to
confirm
the
height
of
the
existing
house,.
I
A
Madam
chair
commissioner
koski
yeah
I'll
let
the
app
can
address
that
the
height
of
the
existing
home,
you
know,
is
confirmed
to
be
15
feet.
4
inches
the
detached
garage
adu
is
clearly
taller
exactly
how
much
taller
I
think
I'll.
Let
the
applicant
answer.
B
B
Me,
yes,
I
think
you're
quiet
at
first,
but
I
think
we
can
hear
you.
Q
Okay,
my
name
is
amy
algaer.
I
live
at
1402
north
22nd
street
and
I
am
the
architect
for
this
project.
So
I
it's
late
and
I
don't
have
a
full
presentation.
I'd
really
like
to
just
answer
your
questions.
Q
So,
commissioner,
koski,
the
height
of
the
house,
is
kind
of
a
gray
area
because
this
site
slopes
drastically
from.
Q
And
from
back
to
front
so
it
kind
of
depends
on
where
you
measure
that
house
as
to
how
high
it
is
when
I
measured
at
the
back,
the
height
of
the
house,
was
17
feet:
six,
the
height
at
the
front,
left
corner
because
the
site
drops
down
to
what
would
is
basically
the
basement
grade.
The
height
of
the
house
is
23
feet.
Seven,
the
height
of
the
adu
is
20
feet
six,
so
it's
somewhere
in
there.
Q
Keep
in
mind
when
we're
talking
about
how
tall
the
adu
is
because
this
site
slopes
so
much
to
the
front
it
drops
off
in
the
front
yard,
when
you're
standing
on
the
street
you're
about
10
feet
below
the
main
floor
of
the
house,
and
then
the
house
is
is
above
that
so
being
able
to
see
that
adu
from
the
street
is
really
nearly
impossible,
because
the
house
is
so
tall
in
front
of
you
that
it
will
block
every
every
view
of
that
adu
completely.
C
Madam
chair
and
amy
you
mentioned
that
the
you
measure,
the
height
of
the
house,
is
17
foot
six
inch
in
the
back
staff
reports,
his
15
foot
four,
so
which
is
right.
Q
Again,
commissioner
koski,
because
the
slope
it
also
the
site
slopes
from
right
to
left,
it
would
depend
on
where
I
measured
and
where
josh
measured.
So
that
house
is
l-shaped.
And
if
I
measured
in
the
back
left
corner
and
josh,
measured
on
the
back
right
corner
that
that
could
very
well
be
a
two-foot
drop.
A
B
C
B
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant?
Everybody
is
shaking
their
heads
here,
so
I
think
that
we
do
not
have
any
additional
questions
at
this
point
in
time,
but
we
will
we
will.
We
will
let
you
know
at
the
end,
if
we
do.
Thank
you
very
much.
Amy
is
the
registered
neighborhood
association
here
to
testify.
N
Right.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sorry,
my
screen
froze
for
a
minute.
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
kate
henwood
here
for
nina
at
1116
north
12th
street,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
do
support
staff's
recommendation
of
approval.
N
I've
I've
been
by
this
house
many
times
and
went
and
stood
in
front
of
it
and
agree
that,
due
to
the
slope
and
how
the
house
sits,
it
would
be
very
difficult
to
see
the
edu
from
behind
and
we
also
really
appreciate
that
the
applicant
and
the
homeowners
did
listen
to
neighbor
concerns
and
modified
their
plans
accordingly.
B
Okay,
I
hearing
none.
Are
there
any
last
questions
for
staff.
C
C
So
I
a
couple
things
to
note
about
this
block.
First
of
all,
I
I'm
leaning
towards
approval
of
this,
but
I
want
to
point
out
a
few
things
for
us.
The
commissioners
there's,
there's
9
no
10
11.,
there's
11
houses
on
this
street
or
two
of
them
are
apartments
actually
so
11.
C
I
guess
individual
properties
on
this
side
of
the
street
and
nine
of
them
are
one-story
houses
and
two
of
them
are
story
and
a
half
across
the
street.
There's
six
one-story
houses
and
one
two-story
house
and
across
the
alley,
there's
six
one-story
houses
and
two
one
and
a
half
story
houses.
So
the
block
that
this
is
on
is
a
very
I
guess,
short
or
small
block
from
from
the
street
facing
side.
C
But
if
you
look
at
this
picture,
you'll
notice
that
the
slope
is
so
steep
that
it's
it's
almost
like
an
exposed
basement
on
the
front
of
these
houses
and
on
the
second
photo
there.
You
can
see
that
that
one-story
house
also
is.
It
almost
appears
to
be
a
two-story
because
of
the
exposed
front
of
the
house
because
of
the
slope.
C
So
normally
what
I
would
say
you
know
in
a
house,
that's
going
to
be
three
feet:
an
adu!
That's
going
to
be
three
feet
taller
than
the
house.
C
Maybe
be
a
little
concerned
about
it,
but
I
think,
based
on
the
presentation
and
based
on
the
photos
being
that
you're
so
low
at
the
street
level.
You're
not
going
to
see
that
adu
and
I
would
probably
be
okay
with
the
height.