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A
A
And
so
tonight's
work
session
agenda,
we've
got
melissa,
jonish
and
jason
taylor
discussing
hillside
and
foothills
development.
So
they'll
walk
us
through
that
we've.
We
try
to
do
this
every
year
and
a
half
two
years
or
so
just
because
we
do
have
some
hillside
applications
that
come
your
way
and
they're
definitely
more
technical.
A
So
I
don't
expect
you
to
be
the
expert
of
course,
but
they
they
do
bring
about
a
different
kind
of
public
hearing.
So
just
wanted
to
go
through
all
of
that.
Oh
there's
melt,
hi
melt
and
then
we'll
quickly
go
through
elections
mel
since
you're
the
last
one.
Here
you
can
be
chair
as
he
laughs
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
agenda,
so
melissa.
B
B
Good
okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna
do
kind
of
like
a
brief
overview
of
what
public
works
looks
at
when
we
review
hillside,
subdivision
development,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
start
all
the
way
from
the
subdivision
application
all
the
way
through
to
lot
development
and
just
take
this
from
kind
of
a
like.
A
public
works
review
aspect,
and
so
when
we
get
that
subdivision
case
for
a
hillside
subdivision
application,
it
also
comes
with
that
cfh
or
the
conceptual
floodplain
and
hillside
application.
B
And
it's
also
known
as
a
category
three
hillside
permit.
And
so
that's
out
of
the
planning
and
zoning
code.
Is
that
category
three?
So
that's
meant
for
subdivision
development,
and
so
there
is
a
category
one
and
a
category
two
permits
for
hillsides,
but
those
will
come
up
later
in
lot
development.
So
we'll
just
talk
about
that
later.
B
For
those
you
know,
100
ready
to
go,
we're
going
out
to
construct
this
week
documents,
and
so
these
preliminary
documents
that
we
see
are
the
geotechnical
and
geology
report,
the
hydrology
report,
grading
and
drainage
plans,
revegetation
plans
and
then,
at
this
point
in
the
application.
So
we
get
this
in.
I
do
like
a
quick
pre-screen
to
make
sure
hey.
B
They
actually
submitted
all
that
stuff
and
aren't
missing
anything
super
major
and
then
what
we'll
do
is
just
do
kind
of
those
those
boilerplate
comments
for
the
hillside
subdivisions,
and
so
this
would
be
something
that
would
apply
across
the
board
to
any
hillside
subdivision.
So
those
comments
go
out
and
then
we
delve
in
for
a
little
bit
of
a
deeper
review,
which
would
be
where
that
second
memo
comes
from,
where
it's
got.
B
The
longer
memo,
usually
a
couple
pages
with
the
attached
conditions
of
approval,
and
so
what
we're
reviewing
once
we
get
into
this
more
more
detailed
review.
Is
we
review
for
compatibility
with
the
public
works,
hillside
technical
manual,
as
well
as
the
planning
and
zoning
ordinance
requirements,
and
so
the
public
works
technical
manual?
Is
this
document
that's
down
here,
and
it
has
in
it
all
of
the
minimum
requirements
for
each
of
the
reports,
so
it
would
tell
us
hey.
These
are
the
items
you
know
x,
y
and
z?
B
That
needs
to
be
contained
in
a
preliminary
grading
and
drainage
plan
versus
you
know
the
final
grading
and
drainage
plan,
and
then
it
also
has
all
the
kind
of
minimum
requirements
that
you
need
for
lot
development.
So
it
will
go
through
and
say
what
you
need
for
a
preliminary
geotech
report
or
a
final
subdivision,
geotech
report
or
an
individual
lot
geotech
report.
B
So
it's
got
kind
of
that
more
more
focused
itemized
list
of
what
exactly
they
need
to
get,
and
this
document
was
actually
created
by
a
professional
advisory
group,
and
so
it
was
a
group
of
geotechnical
engineers,
geologists,
civil
engineers,
developers,
landscape,
architects
in
the
city.
All
came
together
to
kind
of
make
this
this
bar
of
requirements,
and
so
that's
that's
really
what
we're
reviewing
off
of
as
well
as
just
you
know,
general
under
engineering
practices,
and
so,
although,
like
I
said,
everything
is
preliminary,
these
reports
still
have
to
give
us
the
answers
on.
B
If
the
site
is
suitable
for
development,
can
the
site
limitations
be
overcome
if
any
site
limitations
have
been
discovered
and
then
gives
us
also
specifications
for
further
investigation
so
like
if
the
geotech
did
come
up
with
something
hey?
This
might
be
an
issue
we'll
want
to
see
x,
y
and
z,
completed
before
the
final,
and
so
those
their
recommendations
would
then
become
conditions
in
my
final
approval
letter.
B
So
that's
kind
of
what
we
we
look
at
when
we're
reviewing
and
once
we've
got
a
chance
to
to
go
through
and
review
a
little
bit
more
and
you
know
make
sure
we've
got
the
grasp
on
the
technical
pieces.
We
also,
you
know,
want
to
look
for
these
hillside
development
restrictions,
and
so
these
are
listed
in
the
planning
and
zoning
ordinance.
And
so
these
are.
B
B
So
that's
that's
something
else
that
we're
looking
for
within
our
review
and
that
the
engineers
need
to
answer
for
us
and
then,
after
we've
completed
that
review,
we
do
a
grading
work
session,
and
so
this
is
unique
to
hillside
development,
and
so
it's
six
weeks
after
the
submittal,
the
city
will
host
this
public
work
session.
And
it's
with
the
project
engineer
and
the
developer
planning
and
zoning
staff
and
public
work
staff.
And
it's
really
just
a
chance
for
the
public
to
come
in.
It's
a
little
bit
more
informal.
B
Look
like
ask
the
project
engineer,
any
questions
and
every
once
in
a
while
this
kind
of
gives
the
project
engineer
a
chance
to
make
some
minor
adjustments.
If
anything,
you
know,
does
come
up
in
this
meeting.
So
then
after
we
have
this
meeting,
then
I
would
finalize
that
public
works
memo
that
you
see.
That's
that's
the
one
I
was
talking
about
before
that
you
know
could
be
a
couple
pages
long
with
conditions
attached,
and
so
that's
what
you
know
has
my
has
my
review.
B
Looking
at
any
site
limitations,
you
know
looking
at
all
of
the
technical
documents
that
they've
provided
and
so
I'll
write,
write
that
memo
up
the
city
will
write
that
up
we'll
provide
it
to
planning
and
zoning
staff
to
include
with
their
report
and
then
it's
it's
got
comments.
You
know
if
we
can
approve
it
or
if
it's,
if
we
don't
approve
of
it
and
then
all
the
conditions
that
we
want
to
see
for
those
those
final
plans
and
reports.
B
So
if
we
wanted
to
see
more
testing
of
soil,
you
know
more
soils
testing
or
we
needed
some
more
information
on
how
exactly
they
were
going
to
remediate
an
issue.
We
would
see
that
in
the
final
plans
and
reports
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
decision
by
commission
and
council
and
so
for
the
sake
of
argument,
we'll
say
that
the
subdivision
was
approved
by
commission
and
council
and
it's
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
steps.
B
So
once
it's
approved
and
they
have
their
entitlements,
then
the
project
team
can
submit
for
their
final
public
works
plans,
review
and
so,
like
I've
been
saying,
this
is
the
time
when
they'll
turn
in
all
that
100
construction
ready
information,
so
it
does
mirror
the
preliminary
reports.
It's
just
a
lot,
more
in-depth,
a
lot
more
robust,
so
they'll
turn
in
their
final
geotechnical
and
geology
report,
hydrology,
engineering
report,
grading
and
drainage
plans
and
final
revegetation
plans
and
reports.
B
And
then
again
we
review
this
for
compliance
with
our
technical
requirements
as
well
as
the
public
works
conditions
of
approval,
so
anything
that
we'd
asked
for
before
and
then
just
general.
You
know
engineering
standards,
and
so
this
is
a
pretty
iterative
process,
there's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
between
the
city
and
the
and
the
public
works
in
the
and
the
engineering
team.
B
So
then,
once
they,
you
know
they
go
all
through
construction
and
they're
ready
to
get
finished
and
they
get
their
mylar
submitted,
and
we
would
get
these
these
post
construction
reports
and
so
during
construction.
The
project
engineer
has
should
have
been
sending
you
know,
weekly
observation
reports,
so
the
the
project
engineer
who
goes
out
on
site
who
did
the
design
goes
out?
You
know
takes
photos,
writes
observation
reports
each
week
and
sends
them
to
the
city,
and
then
they
also
would
attach
like
any
compaction
testing
that
happens
that
week.
So
anything
for
the
fills.
B
You
know
the
geotechnical
engineer,
tests
it
and
lifts
as
they
go
up,
and
so
they
would
attach
that
with
their
observation
reports,
so
we'd
have
all
of
those
from
the
whole
project,
and
then
they
also
would
need
any
of
the
building
code.
Appendix
j,
final
reports,
and
so
those
would
be
things
like.
They'd
go
survey,
the
site,
you
know
after
it's
been
constructed
and
making
as
built.
So
what
actually
got
built
out
there.
B
And
so
that
would
be
like
the
project
engineer,
summary
report,
the
geotechnical
and
geological
engineering
post-construction
report
and
then
the
re-vegetation
post-construction
report,
and
we
actually
don't
get
that
until
a
year
after
seeding
has
occurred.
And
so
we
keep
a
bond
on
the
site
until
something
actually
grows
right
because
in
boise
it's
so
dry
and
it
does
take
a
long
time
for
things
to
grow
and
so
giving
that
year
just
to
get
the
actual
coverage
and
growth.
Before
we
get
that
report.
B
B
And
then
we
check
to
make
sure
our
review
fees
are
paid
and
then
on
the
plat.
We'll
look
at
the
plat
notes,
make
sure
they're
all
correct,
as
well
as
any
drainage
easements.
And
then
we
review
the
ccnr's
just
to
to
make
sure
that
they
talk
about
if
there's
private
drainage
or
if
they
have
a
private
street.
So
that's
kind
of
all
the
things
we
would
do
before
we
would
sign
the
final
mylar,
which
then
would
give
them
the
ability
to
get
into
lot
development.
B
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
the
final
steps
that
we're
looking
for
now.
I
have
just
like
two
examples
of
subdivisions
that
are
in
the
hillside
or
near
the
hillside
that
did
have
some
site
limitations
and
sort
of
that
technical
ways
that
they
were
overcome
and
how
development
was
able
to
be
allowed
on
these
sites
with
with
limitations.
B
So
the
first
one
is
just
boulder
heights
or
el
paseo
and
it's
actually
a
landslide
development.
So
if
you
can
kind
of
see,
if
you
can
see
my
mouse
or
look
on
this
picture,
you
can
see
this
this
kind
of
this
this
line
here,
and
so
that's
actually
showing
kind
of
the
outline
of
where
that
area
historically
had
slumped.
B
And
if
you
go
all
the
way
down
by
the
river
where
this
bend
is,
you
can
see
you
know
where
there's
some
soil
that
had
come
down
or
some
land
that
had
come
down
and
kind
of
pushed
the
river
out
for
more
of
a
bend.
So
it's
a
large
historic
ancient
landslides
so
that
whole
area
had
kind
of
slid
down,
and
so
during
the
late
70s,
the
you
know
they
hadn't
had
they
didn't
have
sewer
all
in
up
there.
B
If
there's
any
earth
movement,
it's
caused
from
water,
and
so
they
were
able
to
actually
send
you
know
lateral
pipes
into
it
to
kind
of
puncture
this
water
and
relieve
all
that
pressure,
and
I
guess
it
shot
water
out
all
the
way
across
warm
springs
into
the
river.
It
was
under
so
much
pressure,
so
there's
all
the
septic
water
shooting
out
of
the
hill,
so
that's
kind
of
crazy
and
so
anyways
it
stopped.
You
know
seemed
like
it
stopped.
B
B
This
makes
you
know
we
have
to
find
different
solutions
to
be
able
to
get
the
storm
water
from
this
newly
developed
impervious
surface
down
to
where
it
would
historically
go
so
on
the
mesa.
All
of
the
ponds
are
lined
with
an
imp,
permeable,
liner
and
so
either
they'll
do
like
a
clay
layer.
That's
really
finely
compacted.
B
So
it's
really
tight
and
won't
let
any
water
through
or
they
can
use
a
synthetic
liner
which
is
shown
in
this
detail,
and
so
all
of
the
ponds
collect
all
this
water
and
then
it
lets
it
out
slower
at
the
pre-development
flow
rates,
and
then
we
also
require
each
house
to
have
roof
drains
foundation
drains
and
then
for
the
newest
phase
of
boulder
heights.
So
it's
boulder
point.
It
was
all
preliminary
plotted
a
long
time
ago,
but
the
newest
phase
is
just
getting
graded
out.
B
They
have
a
no
build
setback,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
it
here
where
the
slope
starts.
You
know
getting
really
steep
here
and
then
the
actual
property
lines
are
moved
quite
a
ways.
Back
from
that-
and
that's
just
you
know,
came
from
the
geotechnical
engineering
report
that
hey
you
know
this.
This
should
be
scooted
back
just
for
slope
stability
and
then,
if
you
also
look
at
this,
the
new
area
where
the
these
new
phases
are
in
are
kind
of
actually
off
to
the
side
of
the
landslide.
B
And
then
the
second
example
is
warm
springs
village
and
it
actually,
you
can
see
it
on
this
side,
it's
down
here
when
they
were
just
grating
it
out.
So
it's
just
adjacent
to
the
hillside.
It's
not
actually
a
hillside
subdivision,
but
because
it's
so
close
and
sensitive
to
the
hillside.
We
did
look
at
it
with
additional
review
because,
as
you
can
see
up
here
on
this
hillside,
it's
covered
in
a
bunch
of
rocks.
B
So
to
stop
any
any
boulders
that
maybe
would
get
a
little
velocity
from
from
leaping
out
out
of
that
berm
and
getting
across.
So
that's
kind
of
how
all
of
that
was
mitigated
to
keep
those
homeowners
safe
and
then
there
was
also
uncontrolled
fills.
So
this
was
the
gateway
steel
site,
and
when
that
burned,
they
took
out
a
bunch
of
the
they
took
out
a
bunch
of
material
and
then
just
kind
of
dump
trucked
and
filled
it
with
stuff
in
an
uncontrolled
way.
So
they
didn't
test
it
and
get
it
compacted.
B
So
it's
stuff
you
wouldn't
want
to
put
foundations
on
and
so
to
build
on
this
now
they
had
to
remove
40
feet
of
fill
across
the
entire
site
and
then
actually
put
it
back,
and
it
was
kind
of
funny,
because
my
dad
asked
me
he's
like
what
are
they
doing
over
there
he's
like
they
moved
all
this
soil
from
one
side
and
now
they're
putting
it
on
the
other
side,
and
I
you
know
kind
of
explained
I
was
like
yeah.
Well,
it
wasn't
good
phil.
B
B
You
know
some
soft
spot
here
or
anything
like
that,
so
they
did
that
across
the
entire
site
and
because
it
was
so
much
fill,
we
require
sub-grade
inspections
for
each
lot,
and
so
that's
just
where
a
geotechnical
engineer
will
come
in
and
you
know
when
they're
excavating
for
the
footings,
they'll
come
and
test
it
and
just
make
sure
you
know
hey,
we
got
you
know,
there's
no
soft
spots,
there's
nothing
unexpected
here.
You
know
we
didn't.
B
We
didn't
miss
a
spot
when
we
were
doing
the
sub
subdivision,
wide
compaction,
testing
and
then
on
top
of
this,
the
site
also
had
lead
contaminated
soils.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
that
were
going
on
with
it,
and
so
they
had
to
remediate
and
remove
that
soil.
The
epa
was
out
there.
You
know
doing
that
and
and
leading
that,
and
so
they,
you
know,
had
a
bunch
of
epa
out
there
digging
it
out.
B
B
B
So
these
get
to
be
submitted
just
straight
for
a
building
permit,
because
they've
already,
you
know,
got
all
of
their
topography
approved
under
the
subdivision
application,
and
so
the
required
plans
and
reports
that
they
submit
for
their
building
permit
application
are
a
site-specific
grading
and
drainage
plan.
So
this
is
different
than
the
subdivision,
grading
and
drainage
plan.
This
is
just
for
the
house.
It's
how
the
house
will
fit
on
that
specific
lot
and
then
same
with
this
site-specific
geotechnical
engineering
report.
So
this
report,
you
know,
has
a
test
fit!
B
That's
dug
on
that
lot
and
it's
it's
separate
from
the
subdivision,
so
they
don't,
they
don't
reuse
the
same
one.
They
write
a
new
report
for
that
lot,
although
it
might
rely
on
the
the
geotechnical
report
from
the
subdivision
is
its
own
report
and
then
all
of
these
houses
are
also
structurally
engineered.
So,
like
a
commercial
structure
would
be
they,
you
know,
get
their
foundations
in
the
in
the
structure
engineered.
Unlike
like
a
regular
flatland
build.
B
They
would
just
be
prescriptive
for
the
international
building
code
and
then,
of
course,
the
other
documents
like
the
architectural
plans
and
plumbing
and
all
of
that,
as
required
by
the
building
department
or
anything
else
that
public
works
engineering
needs,
and
so
those
are
kind
of
all
of
the
technical
documents
that
go
with
their
building
permit
and
then
for
a
category
2
hillside
permit.
It
would
be
when
significant
changes
to
the
approved
topography
occur
so
like.
B
If
you
kind
of
imagine
again,
boulder
heights
is
as
an
example,
you
know
most
a
lot
say
left
pretty
native,
maybe
just
graded-
in
a
graded,
in
a
road
or
for
a
driveway,
but
there's
probably
going
to
be
daylight
basements
retaining
walls,
there's
going
to
be
changes
from
what
was
approved
under
the
category
3
subdivision
development,
and
so
these
have
to
be
submitted
for
a
staff
level
planning
and
zoning
application
prior
to
getting
submitted
to
building
permanent
approval.
And
this
is
really
just
to
give.
B
B
So
if
this
cfh
gets
peeled,
then
it
would
go
to
commission
for
a
decision,
and
so
the
same
reports
are
required.
We
just
don't
take
every
single
thing
that
we
would
get
for
the
building
permit.
So
when
we
look
at
it
for
the
cfh,
we
would
get
the
site-specific
grading
and
drainage
plan
geotechnical
engineering
report,
as
well
as
like
the
architectural
plans
and
elevations,
and
so
we
use
that
to
review
it
and
then
once
they
get
approval,
then
they
can
apply
for
their
building.
Permit.
B
So
once
they
get
their
building
permits,
like
I
explained
a
little
bit
earlier
during
construction,
there's
a
subgrade
inspection
by
the
geotechnical
engineer,
and
so
that's
just
to
give
the
the
geotech
engineer
a
chance
to
inspect
the
foundation
soils
and
make
sure
you
know
they
did
dig
a
test
pit
just
in
one
spot
on
the
lot.
But
you
know
no
one
has
x-ray
vision,
so
there
could
be
different
kinds
of
soils
throughout
the
lot.
So
it's
a
chance
for
them
to
say
all
right,
we're
putting
these
foundations
in
these.
B
You
know,
we've
got
it
dug
out.
Everything
looks
like
we
were
expecting
it
to
in
the
geotechnical
engineer
when
we
wrote
the
geotechnical
engineering
report
and
then
once
they're
fully
built
and
they've
they've
been
graded,
the
lot
is
done
and
the
house
is
built,
there'll,
be
a
final
inspection
by
the
civil
engineer
or
the
landscape
architect
who
designed
the
grading
and
drainage
plans,
and
so
they'll
come
out
and
they'll
do
a
site.
Inspection
and
they'll
write
a
stamped
approval
letter
to
the
city.
B
You
know
they've
been
hydroseeded
and
the
drainage
is
done
and
then,
after
that
they
can
get
public
works,
occupancy
approval
and
then
once
they've
received
their
occupancy
approval,
then
they
can
get
their
building
permit
finals
and
then
the
process
is
complete
all
the
way
from
subdivision
application
through
to
lab
development.
So
I've
got
one
more
quick
example.
B
Then
I
should
have
some
time
for
questions.
So
this
was
a
project
on
ridgecrest
way.
It
was
over.
In
the
east
end,
there
was
seepage
and
spring
activity
found
like
under
you
know,
underneath
these
houses-
and
so
this
is
a
single
lot
development
rather
than
a
subdivision,
and
to
be
able
to
build
on
these
lots.
They
ended
up
having
you
know,
remove
five
to
eleven
feet
of
fill.
So
it
was,
you
know,
an
uncontrolled
fill,
it
wasn't
good
material
and
then,
beneath
all
of
that
fill
there
was
fat
clay.
B
So
that's
really
the
expansive
soils.
So
that's
one
of
those
limitations,
and
so
when
it
gets
wet,
you
know
it
swells
and
shrinks
quite
a
bit
as
it
gets,
wet
and
dries,
and
so
those
were
beneath
the
foundation.
So
they
over
excavated
that
and
then
came
back
in
with
properly
compacted
structural
fill
as
well
as
an
under
drain
system.
So
you
can
kind
of
see
so
here's
your
foundation
way
up
here
with
the
foundation
drain,
then
there's
all
this
fill
and
then
there's
like
they're
like
perforated
pipes.
B
B
B
It
took
a
little
bit
of
like
innovation,
because
that's
not
always
typical
for
achd
to
take
the
take
the
water
so
so
that
that
worked
out
well
for
them
to
be
able
to
build
there,
and
you
know,
come
up
with
a
solution
so
that
those
houses
would
be.
You
know
on
on
good,
good
soil,
so
yeah
all
right.
Now.
I
have
just
a
little
bit
of
time
for
questions.
I
think.
E
B
Yeah,
there's
not
any
like
specific
city
inspections.
You
know
that
I
would
do.
I
do
drive
out
and
look
at
them
pretty
often
just
to
make
sure
you
know
everything
is
is
looking
good
and
that
the
that
you
know
everything's
kind
of
matching
the
reports,
but
there
wouldn't
be
like
one
that
they
would
call
in
for,
like
in
commercial
development.
You
know
we
have
our
inspectors
go
out
and
do
drainage
inspections.
For
these.
We
really
rely
on
the
design
engineer
to
be
doing
those
kind
of
inspections.
F
I
think
this
is
jason
jason.
Let
me
chime
in
real,
quick
public
works
engineering.
I
work
with
melissa
on
these
hillsides
on
those
subdivisions
grading
permits.
We
require
the
design
engineer
to
submit
us
weekly
or
monthly
reports
with
all
the
compaction
testing
of
all
the
soils
in
any
geotechnical
issues
they
come
up
with
and
we
collect
those
throughout
the
process
and
then
we
combine
them
at
the
end
and
then
require
a
final
sign-off
letter
from
that
sybil
stating
that
everything
was
designed.
A
Yeah
thanks
melissa
again,
you
know
this
is
just
a
good
overview
of
what
goes
on
for
hillside
developments.
As
commissioners
you'll,
like
melissa,
said,
you'll
see
appeals
for
category
2,
hillside
applications,
as
well
as
the
category
3
hillside
applications
that
are
associated
with
the
subdivision,
as
well
as
other
controversial
things
associated
with
that
subdivision.
A
So
when
we,
when
we
do
see
those,
we
often
try
to
have
melissa
or
jason
at
the
hearing,
just
in
case
there's
technical
questions,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
are
all
aware
of
the
process.
We
get
a
few
of
these
every
once
in
a
while.
So
just
wanna
make
sure
you're
fresh
fresh
on
everything.
G
G
So
you
know
we'll
hear
people
say
well
the
city
messed
up
six
years
ago
on
that
table
rock
subdivision
or
bl.
This
is
really
steep
and
ten
years
ago
there
was
this
problem,
and
just
I
thought
I
would
just
relate
quickly
sort
of
my
perspective
as
a
commissioner
that
I
am
not
a
geotechnical
engineer,
and
so
as
a
commissioner
I
generally
will
rely
on
the
technical
expertise
of
the
city,
whether
it's
fire
or
geotechnical
and
frequently.
G
But
I
will
say
that
I
do
think
the
commission
has
the
discretion
to
add
a
condition
or
do
a
deferral
and
ask
for
more
information.
If
you
all
have
legitimate
reasons
for
questioning
the
geotechnical,
but
otherwise,
if
you
don't,
then
I
you
know
and
it's
hard
because
we're
not
geotechnical
engineers
I'll
generally
defer
to
the
city.
Thank
you.
C
H
A
Yeah,
I
think
those
are
both
good,
really
really
good
points.
Commissioners,
I
think
the
other
thing
too
is
a
lot
of
our
approval.
Criteria
stems
from
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
there's
a
lot
of
great
policies
on
hillside
and
foothill
development,
as
melissa
and
jason
always
say
you
can
engineer
anything
for
the
right
price
and
that
could
come
at
a
cost
of.
You
know
cutting
down
a
hill
too.
So
sometimes
there
is
some
gut
reactions.
To
that.
I
A
I
don't
believe
this
needs
to
be
a
formal
process,
because
I
believe
our
current
chair
and
co-chair
are
willing
to
stay
on
as
our
leaders
for
commission,
especially
due
to
covid.
It's
definitely
been
an
interesting
year
so
to
have
the
same
leadership
at
the
helm.
I
think
is
really
great.
So
thank
you
both
for
continuing
to
to
step
up
and
to
lead
the
charge,
but
next
year
maybe
we
will
branch
out
some
more.
H
G
A
A
A
A
Number
five,
sos
20-36
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision,
ordinance
on
greenwood's
circle
associated
with
a
minor
land
division.
We
are
partially
recommending
approval
and
partially
recommending
denial.
So
we
will
hear
that
one,
let's
see,
number
six
cva
20-69
a
variance
for
a
rear
inside
yard
setback
on
lemp.
We
are
recommending
approval.
We
haven't
heard
of
any
opposition,
so
we
can
try
for
consent,
number
seven
cp
20-61
on
boise
avenue.
This
is
by
timberline
high
school
for
a
drive-through.
A
A
And
number
nine
is
a
rezone,
pd
and
subdivision
on
federal
way.
This
project
might
look
familiar
to
some
of
you,
they've
added
another
parcel,
so
they're
they
had
fun
the
first
time.
Let's
do
it
again,
so
we
are
recommending
approval.
There
was
a
letter
of
opposition
received,
so
we
will
need
to
hear
that
one.
E
L
Sure,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
action
letter
for
the
property
line
adjustment
specifically
required
the
extension
of
the
of
the
water
line,
although
they
are
exempt,
but
the
the
planning
team
pds
can
be
more
more
restrictive
if
it
wants
to
be,
and
we
thought
at
the
time
that
getting
water
to
these
lots
was
important,
but
they
challenged
us
on
it.
And
you
know
we
had
to
go
by
what
the
code
said.
C
A
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
boise
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
C
C
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
you
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
are
placed
on
the
consent.
C
Agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion
without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
Thank
you
all
for
virtually
attending
tonight
and
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll
stand
here.
M
C
Okay,
so
the
first
item
for
consideration
of
the
consent
on
to
move
to
the
consent
agenda
is
item
number
one.
This
is
sos
20-38
from
scott
larson
at
5205,
west
hill
road.
This
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision.
Ordinance
requirement
to
extend
central
water
as
part
of
the
property
line.
Adjustment
is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your
oh.
I
see
you
have
talking
permitted
so
go
ahead.
If
the
applicant
is
here,
please.
F
C
C
Hi,
thank
you,
mr
kesner,
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Yes,
we
are
great
and
is
there
anybody
present
who
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
of
this
project
tonight?
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
I'm
seeing
none.
We
will
place
item
four
on
the
consent
agenda.
Next
item,
for
consideration
is
item
number
six.
This
is
cva
20-69
for
mill,
creek
architecture
at
1411,
west
lemp
street.
This
is
a
variance
to
encroach
the
rear
and
side
setback
is
the
applicant
present.
C
C
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none.
We
will
place
item
six
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
last
item
for
consideration
of
the
consent
agenda
is
item
number
seven.
This
is
cop
20-61
for
doug
tempura
at
oh,
I'm,
sorry,
temura
at
702,
east
boise
avenue
conditional
use
permit
for
a
drive-thru
associated
with
a
proposed
2300
square
foot.
Restaurant
is
the
applicant
present.
G
C
G
C
C
C
H
M
C
L
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
school
addition
to
add
a
6700
square
foot
detached
gymnasium
and
a
variance
for
the
building
to
encroach
five
feet
into
the
street
side,
setback
along
state
street
and
maple
avenue.
The
subject:
property
is
approximately
two
acres
in
size
and
bounded
by
jefferson
street
to
the
south
elm
to
the
west
state
street,
to
the
north
and
maple
avenue
to
the
east.
It
is
owned
r2h
and
contains
the
roosevelt
elementary
school.
L
As
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
area
surrounding
the
site
is
developed
with
historic,
residential
single
family
neighborhood.
The
school
edition
is
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site.
At
the
intersection
of
state
and
maple
avenue.
The
building
size
and
mass
is
consistent
with
the
historic
school
building.
The
proposed
detached
building
is
lower
in
height
than
the
existing
school
building
and
is
under
the
height
limit
of
the
r2
zone.
L
It
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighbor
neighborhood,
since
the
addition
does
not
change
the
use
which
has
been
a
school
and
has
been
a
school
for
for
over
a
hundred
years.
The
building
is
buffered
from
the
adjacent
residential
properties
by
public
right-of-way
state
state,
east
8
and
maple
avenue,
which
is
lined
with
mature,
mature
street
trees.
L
L
L
As
you
can,
as
you
can
see,
the
proposed
building
is
set
back
15
feet
from
state
street
and
maple
avenue
where
20
feet
is
required.
In
addition,
the
trash
enclosure
right
here
will
be
constructed
along
the
property
line
adjacent
to
maple
avenue.
This
is
a
this.
Is
the
exact
or
the
a
very
similar
location
to
the
existing
trash
enclosure
on
site,
which
is
fenced
in
with
the
chain
link
fence
currently
and
has
been
that
way
for
quite
some
time.
The
requested
variance
is
for
the
building.
L
The
trash
enclosure
encroach
into
these
street
side
setbacks,
and
there
is
a
hardship,
an
exceptional
circumstance
that
justifies
these
encroachments.
A
few
things.
I
would
like
to
note
on
the
site
plan.
You
can
see
the
easement
here
between
the
existing
school
in
the
proposed
building
16
feet
wide.
L
And
you
can
you
can
see
the
the
five
foot
setbacks
here
and
here
for
the
building
and
then,
of
course,
the
trash
enclosure.
These
elevations
show
the
building
addition
mass
and
height
with
respect
to
the
assisting
the
existing
school.
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
building
proposed
building
from
maple,
and
this
is
the
view
of
the
proposed
building
with
the
existing
school
from
state
street,
and
these
are
perspectives
of
the
edition
as
well.
L
There
is
a
hardship
and
accessible
exceptional
circumstance
that
justifies
these
encroachments.
The
hardship
is
the
16-foot
wide
sewer
easement
between
the
existing
school
and
the
proposed
building
and
and
and
the
protection
of
open
space
to
the
west.
The
sewer,
easement
location
requires
the
building
to
be
moved
five
feet
into
the
street
side
setback
along
state
street.
In
addition,
there
is
an
exceptional
circumstance.
L
That
the
building
design
and
location
were
selected
to
protect
the
school's,
open
space
and
playground
areas.
In
addition,
the
school
building
location
at
the
northeast
corner
will
preserve
the
full
view
for
the
for
the
school
staff
of
the
playground
open
space,
which
is
required
to
ensure
student
safety
relocating.
The
building
to
a
different
location
on
the
site
would
remove
the
open
space
associated
with
the
school
and
block
the
school.
The
staff's
view
of
the
school
grounds.
L
The
planning
team
did
receive
neighborhood
testimony
expressing
concerns
with
the
project
which
are
summarized
into
these
three
very
general
points,
which
is
the
building
height
it's
too
high
and
there's
traffic
traffic
concerns
with
the
building
being
pushed
towards
the
corner,
and
they
have
concerns
with
the
building
location
at
on
at
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
site
in
general,
also
with
the
encroachments
into
the
setback.
As
for
the
first
concern,
the
building
height
mass
is
consistent
with
the
existing
school
building,
which
is
built
over
100
years
ago.
L
The
proposed
detached
building
is
lower
in
height,
it's
29,
four
inches
in
height,
then
the
existing
structure,
the
existing
school,
which
is
at
40
feet,
and
it
complies
with
the
height
limit
of
zone
which
is
35.
It
has
also
buffered
from
the
adjacent
properties
to
the
by
public
right-of-way,
with
with
mature
street
trees,
screening
it.
As
for
the
second
point,
it
will
not
cause
any
traffic
concerns
at
the
intersection.
The
new
building
and
trash
enclosure
are
located
outside
the
clear
vision
triangle,
as
noted
on
the
site
plan
earlier.
L
C
P
C
P
P
P
P
This
is
the
profile,
the
footprint
of
the
cafeteria
area
here
that
I'm
highlighting
on
my
screen,
and
it
is
significantly
undersized
for
the
school
population
and
it
also
overlaps
activities
for
with
the
cafeteria,
and
that
is
why
we
need
another
dedicated
gym
space.
As
we
previously
heard,
the
green
space
need
needs
to
be
preserved
with
the
smaller
footprint
of
this
site.
P
This
1919
was
the
original
construction,
and
then
there
were
four
classrooms
and
a
two-story
structure
that
was
added
in
1946,
and
the
one-story
structure
along
maple
was
added
in
1951,
and
the
most
recent
edition
was
done
in
2011
and
that
is
at
the
in
the
rear
facade,
as
you
would
face
it
from
state
street
and
our
design
framework
really
took
the
cue
from
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
for
historic
buildings.
We
wanted
to
preserve
the
existing
main
facade.
That
was
a
very
important
thing
and
we
wanted
to
respect
the
historic
building.
P
So
any
addition
we
add
to
this
existing
building
should
be
unobtrusive,
harmonious
and
simple.
In
design.
We
wanted
to
maintain
the
rhythm,
color
range
and
value
of
the
existing,
but
also,
at
the
same
time,
differentiate
the
existing
historic
from
the
new
edition,
and
we
also
wanted
to
strengthen
the
neighborhood
experience
and
we
wanted
to
provide
a
public
space.
P
One
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
also
identify
was
that
we
did
explore
placing
this
gym
in
other
locations
off
the
site,
for
example
the
southwest
corner.
But
you
can
see
that
with
the
existing
easement
and
if
we
were
to
translate
this
footprint
out
to
this
corner
here,
where
the
existing
basketball
courts
are,
we
would
not
only
lose
the
basketball
courts,
but
it
is
also
going
to
the
new
addition
will
sit
proud
of
the
existing
historic
facade,
and
that
is
not
from
our
discussions
with
the
preservation.
P
Experts
that
is
not
recommended
at
all
and
having
this
building
be
unobtrusive
to
the
main
historic
facade
was
one
of
the
most
important
considerations
that
we
had
to
provide.
Also
attaching
the
existing
the
new
addition
to
the
existing
building
causes
a
lot
of
other
issues,
for
example
the
same
thing
as
to
keep
it
unobtrusive.
It
would
be
difficult
and
also
it
would
require
extensive
repairs
to
the
existing
or
modifications
to
actually
make
the
edition
work.
P
P
We
have
a
low
story
volume
and
the
gymnasium
volume
that
is
higher
all
of
the
low
story
spaces
are
actually
facing
the
school.
One
of
the
reasons
that
this
is
necessary
is
for
access,
and
the
main
reason
secondary
reason
is
that
there
is
also
visibility
from
the
counselor's
office
for
supervision
into
the
playground
area,
so
we
needed
to
keep
the
low
story
spaces
closer
to
the
school
rather
than
the
street
facade.
P
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
the
addition
is
actually
picking
up
on
the
cornice
in
the
existing,
so
we
we
are
making
sure
that
it's
lower
than
the
existing
historic
building.
At
the
same
time,
we
are
picking
up
cues
from
the
lines
that
are
existing
in
terms
of
grouping
the
windows
using
the
sill
for
the
head
in
the
edition.
So
we
are
in
fact
working
with
the
existing
rhythm
of
the
building.
P
P
So
there
wouldn't
be
a
fence
that
is
currently
existing
all
along
the
property
line
on
the
north
facade,
a
better
view
of
the
north
facade
here
and
another
view
along
state
street,
where
the
playground
equipment
will
go
with
the
existing
building.
To
the
background,
a
view
of
the
playground
area
a
close-up
view
of
what
we
are
envisioning
for
the
outdoor
classroom,
which
will
become
part
of
the
public
space
and
the
overall
site
view.
C
That's
great,
thank
you
so
much
and
we'll
get
to
questions
in
just
a
moment.
First,
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
have
a
representative
present
from
the
east
end
neighborhood
association,
who
was
here
to
to
represent
the
neighborhood
tonight
perfect.
I
see
a
hand
up
just
one
second,
miss
grisham
as
we
switch
you.
C
C
Q
Madam
chair
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
sheila
grisham.
I
live
at
1204
east
state
street.
I
am
here
tonight
to
testify,
on
behalf
of
the
eastern
neighborhood
association
regarding
cup
20
and
dva
20-0072
for
the
roosevelt
elementary
gym
at
908,
east
jefferson,
the
east
end,
neighborhood
association,
is
not
opposed
to
the
new
gym,
but
we
are
opposed
to
the
setback
variants.
We
know
the
school
needs
more
space
for
activities
plays
and
concerts.
Q
Some
of
us
have
had
our
own
children
go
through
roosevelt
to
know
all
too
well
what
it's
like
to
be
crammed
into
the
gym,
with
all
the
other
parents
trying
to
catch
a
glimpse
of
their
child's
performance.
However,
it's
not
just
about
the
students
that
attend
roosevelt.
It's
also
about
the
homeowners
that
this
gym
will
directly
impact.
Q
We
have
neighbors
on
that
very
corner
that
have
been
in
their
home
for
30
to
50
years.
This
gym
will
impact
them
and
should
be
taken
into
consideration.
They
will
have
a
loss
of
views,
less
sunlight
for
their
gardens
and
yards
that
they
have
planted
over
the
years.
A
loss
of
opportunities
for
solar
gain,
not
to
mention
the
additional
noise
from
the
gem
that
the
school
dirt
the
school
district
wants
to
build
on
that
corner.
Q
The
30-foot
structure
will
reduce
visibility
on
this
corner,
causing
potential
danger
for
the
children.
I
have
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
17
years
and
walked
the
neighborhood
at
least
once
a
day,
and
I
have
seen
many
vehicles
run.
The
stop
signs
drive
faster
than
the
speed
limit
allows
and
children
running
into
the
street
without
paying
attention
to
what's
happening
around
them
on
the
street
on
street
parking
reduces
visibility
already.
Adding
a
30-foot
structure
with
only
a
15-foot
setback
will
only
worsen
that
situation
during
the
winter
months.
Q
Q
I'm
sure
there
are
a
lot
of
parents
and
teachers
here
tonight
to
testify
in
favor
of
the
new
gym
and
the
variants,
and
we
respect
that
the
students
attending
this
gym
will
come
and
go.
However,
the
school
will
be
here
indefinitely,
and
hopefully
so
will
these
homeowners,
as
I
stated
earlier,
ena
is
not
opposed
to
the
new
gym.
However,
we
ask
you
the
commissioners
to
do
everything
you
can
to
reduce
the
impact
to
these
neighbors
and
homeowners
as
much
as
possible.
C
G
P
This
is
priya
rahman
from
lombard
contract,
architects.
We
have
attempted
to
show
the
mature
trees
in
our
renderings
as
closely
as
possible.
They
are,
in
fact
at
least
two-story
high
on
certain
trees.
Some
of
the
trees
are
not
as
mature
as
the
other
ones.
I
can
quickly
go
to
the
canopy
plan
and
you
can
see
how
large
they
are
in
terms
of
the
tree
canopy
itself,
but
I
would
not
be
able
to
give
you
an
actual
height
of
the
tree
from
the
top
of
my
hair.
E
P
So
I'm
sorry
this
is
priya
again
the
architect.
I
have
this
slide,
that
I'm
sharing
right
now
and
I'm
showing
the
existing
school
building
on
maple
and
the
gap
is
about
17.5
feet
and
the
16
foot.
Easement
is
what
exists
in
this
gap,
and
that
is
why
we
we
are
proposing
it
to
be
detached
from
the
existing
historic
building,
because
there
are
utilities
that
are
running
here.
There
is
an
existing
sewer
line
that
exists
in
this
sewer
easement.
E
G
This
is
a
question
for
the
architect.
I
assume
you
were
given
design
guidelines
for
how
big
the
gym
had
to
be,
particularly
how
how
wide
I
mean.
Basically,
it
has
to
fit
a
basketball
court
plus
this.
Whatever
stands,
the
school
district
wants,
plus
the
ancillary,
build
offices
bathrooms
et
cetera
that
are
housed
in
the
one
story.
Sort
of
step
down
border.
P
P
We're
not
proposing
stands
as
such,
but
we
are
including
an
extra
space
for
seating,
and
this
is
really
important
in
for
parents
to
be
able
to
attend
the
views.
The
events-
and
this
is
by
far
the
tightest
we
can
have
to
provide,
for
you-
know,
secure
access
and
also
exiting
from
the
building
outside.
P
P
D
C
Okay,
so
next
we'll
move
to
public
testimony,
anybody
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item
tonight.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
just
sort
of
work
our
way
down
the
list.
I
see
alan
taylor
first
up,
so
let's
start
there
just
give
us
a
moment.
While
we
perfect,
you
should
be
able
to
unmute.
Now,
please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
I
I
My
own
children
attended
roosevelt
and
I
think
a
new
gym
sounds
great,
but
I
am
not
in
favor
and
actually
I'm
opposed
to
the
location
that
is
being
proposed
to
cut
to
the
chase.
I'm
not
anxious
to
live
in
the
shadow
of
a
building.
That's
twice
as
tall
as
my
home,
my
dining
room
and
kitchen
windows
look
west
over
the
school
block
and
on
most
days
from
our
kitchen
table,
we
can
watch
kids
on
the
playground
and
watch
the
sunsets.
I
Given
the
proposed
location
of
the
new
gym.
All
we
are
going
to
see
is
a
29-foot
brick
wall
for
the
rest
of
our
lives.
Remember
those
those
mature
trees
drop,
their
leaves
and
they
go
for
about
five
months.
Leafless
the
size
of
the
building
being
about
100
feet
by
70
feet
approximately
is
formidable,
but
I
have
an
equal
or
greater
concern
about
the
location
because
of
the
minimal
setbacks.
I
The
playground
is
like
a
magnet
for
them,
so
a
20-foot
standard
setback
is
concerning
enough,
but
a
lesser
setback
creates
an
even
greater
hazard
and
especially
to
children.
The
second
safety
hazard
that
I
see
is
that
placing
the
building
the
gym
on
the
northeast
corner
will
create
a
perpetual
shadow
on
the
street.
All
winter
long
and
ice
will
form
sooner
and
persist
longer
in
the
shadow,
creating
icy
conditions
at
the
approach
to
the
intersection.
H
C
C
P
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
is
an
existing
fence
in
the
property
that
actually
circles
from
the
south
west
corner
and
along
jefferson,
all
along
elm
and
all
along
straight
street,
and
it
actually
terminates
on
the
north
east
corner
of
the
existing
building.
So
currently
the
students
are
actually
on
the
sidewalk
and
accessing
the
street,
but
we
are
actually
proposing
that
there
is
more
space
on
the
public
side
in
this
northwest
corner
with
the
creation
of
this
outdoor
classroom.
P
So
if,
if
they
are,
in
fact
there
is,
there
is
actually
more
space
with
regard
to
safety
for
kids
running
into
the
street
is
what
we
consider,
and
secondly,
currently
there
are
portables
that
are
actually
in
the
site.
They
are
one-story
portables,
we
agree,
but
having
a
permanent
structure
that
is
actually
in
more
line
with
the
historic
building
will
be
a
permanent
solution
for
the
school
and
for
the
surrounding
neighborhood
as
well.
P
With
regard
to
overall
safety,
if
you
look
at
the
whole
site,
having
this
building
anywhere
else
would
definitely
cause
visibility.
Concerns
for
the
staff
to
monitor
the
playground,
and
we
we
do
believe
that
we
are
ameliorating
the
existing
fence
by
actually
providing
for
more
public
space
in
the
northeast
corner.
C
H
J
Madame
chair
so
to
address
the
height
issue,
the
building,
I
think,
is
less
height
than
the
35
feet
required
by
the
code
in
the
r2
zone
and
it's
a
decrease
in
height
from
that
school
building.
That's
currently
existing
on
the
property
to
the
sewer
line
or
the
sewer
line
itself
creates
that
exceptional
circumstance
that
allows
for
the
increased
setback
by
code
and
it's
really
impractical
just
to
place
it
anywhere
else.
I
mean,
if
you
do
so.
You're
gonna
have
problems
with
the
visibility
on
the
playground
and
other
such
areas.
J
E
It's
part
of
the
motion
I
mean
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
kind
of
thoughtful
design
working
with
the
historic
preservation
commission
as
well
just
to
make
sure
that
that
gym
is
placed
so
as
not
to
compromise
the
character
of
the
existing
historic
building.
This
seems
like
a
very
thoughtfully
placed
location.
The
height
has
been
thought
out
so
as
not
to
overpower
the
existing
building.
E
C
H
C
C
R
Perfect,
the
next
item
before
you
this
evening
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
triplex
located
on
about
a
quarter
acre
at
6726
west
overland
road
in
an
lod
limited
office
with
design
review
overlay
zone
single-family
homes
border
the
subject
parcel
to
the
north
along
overland
road.
The
parcel
is
surrounded
by
single-family
homes
and
homes
that
have
been
converted
into
offices
across
overland
road
to
the
south
is
a
bank
multi-family
residential
development
and
the
overland
park
shopping
center.
R
The
overlanded
empire
neighborhood
activity
center
is
located
a
quarter
mile
to
the
east,
as
outlined
in
the
project
report.
The
proposal
meets
the
approval
criteria
for
a
conditional
use.
Permit
the
planning
team
received
standard
agency
comments
but
did
receive
a
handful
of
letters
expressing
opposition
to
the
proposal.
R
Excuse
me,
it
is
worth
considering
that
the
height
of
the
structure
at
its
peak
will
be
about
35
feet
tall,
which
is
the
maximum
height
of
an
allowed
structure
in
the
adjacent
r1c
zone
and
a
full
10
feet
lower
than
the
maximum
height
allowed
in
the
subject
lod
zone,
in
other
words
a
35
foot
tall
building,
could
be
constructed
in
any
of
the
surrounding
lots,
with
only
a
building
permit
and
in
the
lod
zone.
A
design
review
permit
as
well.
R
R
C
N
Yeah
damn
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
and
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
andrew
wheeler,
with
dg
group
architecture
and
we're
working
on
this
product.
We
came
to
this
property.
You
know
how
do
we
fit
three
units
on
here
in
the
most
in
the
best
way
possible
of
working
with?
What's
currently
existing
and
currently
there's
an
existing
drive
on
the
eastern
boundary
that
we're
utilizing
that
maintains
that
cross
access
agreement
and
provides
parking
in
the
back?
N
So
in
that
context
we're
hiding
the
parking
in
the
rear,
and
you
know
providing
a
two-story
product
on
the
front
two
units,
that's
the
middle
unit
and
the
most
southern
against
overland
and
then
stepping
up
to
a
third
story
unit
in
the
center
of
the
site
and
so
kind
of
just
to
back
up
on
yeah.
That's
a
great
energy
thing.
N
You
know
so
that
shows
the
context
of
how
we're
stepping
this
building
up,
trying
not
to
loom
over
any
adjacent
houses-
and
you
know
when
I
do
the
measurements
on
our
site-
we're
about
20
feet
or
so
from
that
western
property
boundary
to
that
third
story
and
then
we're
55
to
60
feet
from
the
northern
boundary
and
I
believe
another
32
feet
from
the
eastern
boundary.
So.
N
Really
was
how
do
we
design
three
unique
units
that
aren't
you
know,
custom
or
you
know,
manufactured
home
type
of
units
that
are
designed
specifically
for
that
property
and
providing
better
access
to
the
parking
in
the
back
individual
private
patios?
You
can
see
if
you
go
to
the
site
plan
there
ethan,
you
can
look
at
those.
The
patios
are
all
you
know,
screened
so
you're
not
having
a
patio
right
next
to
somebody,
and
then
you
know
addressing.
H
N
N
You
know,
as
ethan
said,
we're
currently
designing
within
the
r1c
zone
and
it's
in
the
center
of
the
site.
So
it's
really
the
the
best
location
that
we
can
put
a
third
story
component.
Another
aspect
to
that
was
the
existing
power
line
on
the
western
border
and
when
working
with
idle
power,
we're
at
a
13
to
15
foot
separation
to
any.
I
N
Projection
so
the
so
that's
you
know,
then
we
have
additional
two
feet
to
the
edge
of
the
building
on
the
issues
with
design
with
design
review
on
the
windows
on
the
east
side,
you
can
see
here
that
if
you're
heading
eastbound
or
westbound
down
overland
you're
going
to
have
a
view
of
these
windows
of
that
ground
floor,
people
pulling
into
this
drive
aisle
their
car
lights
are
going
to
be
shining
in
there.
You
know
there's.
M
I
N
M
N
C
Perfect,
thank
you.
First,
we'll
check.
I
don't
think
we
have
anybody
present,
but
do
we
have
a
representative
from
the
neighborhood
association?
This
is
the
borah
neighborhood.
If
so,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
okay
and
so
seeing
none.
Then
we
will
move
on
to
questions
from
the
commission,
for
a
staff
or
for
the.
R
G
K
C
C
N
Yeah,
well,
I
guess
I'll
just
use
the
opportunity
to
explain
one
issue
that
our
opportunity
that
came
up
today
with
fire
was
a
question
on
our
20-foot
drive
access
and
if
we're
over
30
feet,
then
we
need
to
provide
an
apparatus
road
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
looking
at
the
building
distances.
The
the
far
north
of
the
building
is
right
at
about
100
feet
from
the
curb
cut
at
overland.
So
we're
well
within
that
150
foot
radius
for
any
fire
to
you
know,
fight.
O
C
K
Sure,
yeah
I'll
keep
this
brief.
I
think
the
applicant
has
done
a
nice
job
working
with
existing
conditions
there
on
the
site,
taking
advantage
of
obviously
the
existing
curb
cut.
You
know
the
property
and
then
being
mindful
of
the
cross
access
to
the
property
to
the
east.
You
know
the
the
density
setbacks.
K
They
all
meet
the
code
in
addition
to
that,
they're
well
below
the
allowed
maximum
building
height
for
that
zone,
and
I
think
they've
been
very
mindful
of
the
adjacent
properties
as
discussed,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
space
between
this
structure
and
all
of
the
surrounding
structures.
So
I
I
think,
there's
gonna
be
minimal
impact
to
those
structures
with
this
three
foot
building
being
placed
where
it
is
so
with
that
I
moved
to
a
proof.
C
H
G
A
C
H
C
S
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
this
item
before
you
as
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
as
part
of
minor
land
division
on
two
subject:
plots
totaling
1.06
acres,
both
address
2605,
south
greenwood
circle
and
an
r1c
sinkhole
family
residential
zone.
The
right-of-way
adjacent
to
the
subject.
Parcels
are
currently
improved
with
rolled
curb
and
gutter,
and
no
sidewalk.
The
development
code
states
that
all
new
parcels
that
abut
the
public
right-of-way
shall
be
improved
with
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
S
S
The
applicant
identified
the
lack
of
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
on
adjacent
losses.
Justification
for
the
waiver.
However,
the
entirety
of
the
greenwood
circle
right
of
way
is
improved
with
rolled
curve
and
gutter,
including
that
adjacent
to
the
lot
sidewalk
does
not
currently
exist
adjacent
to
the
site,
but
can
be
found
intermittent
through
the
in
excuse
me
immediate
neighborhood,
as
close
as
71
feet
away.
S
Additionally,
the
subject
parcels
lie
approximately
350
feet
away
from
an
intersection
with
boise
ave,
which
is
fully
improved
with
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
further.
That
intersection
point
is
closer
than
550
feet
from
the
crossroads
of
apple
street
and
boise
ave,
which
is
adjacent
to
white
pines,
elementary
school
and
the
center
point
of
the
boise
and
apple
neighborhood
activity.
Center
activity
centers
throughout
the
city,
have
been
chosen
for
their
potential
to
reduce
vehicle
miles
traveled
by
single
occupant
vehicles
and
are
intended
to
promote
pedestrian
friendly
design
that
encourages
pedestrian
access
from
adjacent
neighborhoods.
S
In
conclusion,
the
planning
team
is
satisfied
with
the
existing
enrolled
curb
and
gutter
and
does
not
find
new,
curb
and
gutter
to
be
necessary.
However,
the
planning
team
was
unable
to
identify
any
hardships
to
warrant
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
for
sidewalk
as
part
of
a
minor
land
division.
It
would
not
be
compatible
with
a
comprehensive
plan
nor
the
general
neighborhood.
The
commission
makes
a
final
decision.
Thank
you.
C
F
C
S
C
C
C
G
C
H
C
U
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioners.
The
next
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
again
a
request
for
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
as
a
part
of
a
minor
land
division
in
an
r1c
zone.
The
property
is
located
on
utana
road
in
a
residential
neighborhood
near
the
horseshoe
bend
road
and
state
street
intersection,
a
minor
land
division
to
create
three
buildable
parcels
was
approved
on
april
16
2020,
with
the
condition
that
the
furnace
be
improved
with
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
U
Due
to
drainage
concerns
raised
by
achd.
The
planning
team
is
supportive
of
the
curb
and
gutter
waiver
request.
However,
the
planning
team
is
not
supportive
of
the
sidewalk
waiver.
This
slide
shows
approximately
where
the
future
sidewalk
would
be
located
on
the
site,
while
sidewalk
is
largely
absent
in
the
area.
At
this
time.
Most
of
the
lots
along
yutana
road
are
larger
than
10
000
square
feet
in
size
and
therefore
they
are
eligible
for
minor
land
divisions
in
the
underlying
r1c
zone.
U
Over
time,
these
minor
land
divisions
or
even
larger
developments
could
create
a
connected
sidewalk
along
the
section
of
the
road
which
would
lead.
In
fact,
to
a
commercial
destination
on
the
west
side
of
horseshoe
bend,
including
a
grocery
store
and
bank,
as
I
mentioned,
comments
were
received
from
achc,
with
a
record
of
survey
detailing
that
curb
gutter
and
pavement
widening
could
not
be
allowed
due
to
great
drainage
concerns,
but
they
did
not
prohibit
the
installation
of
sidewalk.
U
V
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah,
I'm
adam
chairman
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
pat
tealy
office
address
one
two,
five,
nine
four
explorer
here
in
boise
in
april
of
last
year,
we
applied
for
a
minor
land
division
on
this
piece
of
property
on
utam,
the
autonomous
it
was
one
of
the
larger
parcels
down
there.
All
of
the
parcels
that
exist
besides
this
one
are
80
feet
wide.
This
one
happened
to
be
102.,
so
we
saw
an
opportunity
to
do
a
minor
land
division
and
provide
some
affordable
housing,
newer
housing
in
that
area.
V
V
We
were
told
that
seeing
what
the
area
is
out
there
in
the
absence
of
sidewalks,
he
would
most
likely
apply
for
a
waiver
in
the
past.
There
are
instances
what
has
been
rated.
We
got
our
site
conditions
and
site
condition.
Number
three
specifically
read
the
first
excuse
me
number
two
curt
veteran's
veteran
sidewalks
are
required
for
minor
land
division
or
for
property
line
adjustment.
V
Was
addressed
already,
the
curb
veterans
sidewalk
weren't,
going
to
be
required,
so
it
was
a
sort
of
a
shock
to
us
when
we
got
the
condition
we
were
we're
going
to
apply
to
finalize
the
minor
lab
division
and
run
into
this.
You
can
see
on
the
on
the
map.
That's
on
your
screen,
our
parcel.
There
is
a
cross-hatched
parcel.
V
The
only
sidewalk
in
the
that
whole
area
is
approximately
560
feet
to
the
west,
and
it's
recently
constructed
the
senior
housing
project.
There
are
no
sidewalks
on
any
of
the
streets,
north
or
south
side
on
utana,
maybe
claudia
janine
and
garfield
those
distances.
The
distances
to
a
sidewalk
in
those
areas
are
well
over
1600
feet,
so
we
don't
see
where
the
connectivity
can
happen
or
or
is
it
warranted?
H
H
V
Possible
teacher
development
in
this
area
there
is
no
central
water
located
anywhere
in
that
subdivision
past
the
subject
property.
The
subject:
property
is
served
from
eagle
water.
The
rest
of
the
the
area
has
to
be
served
by
suez
matter
of
fact.
There
were
some
recent
duplexes
developed
on
garfield
street
and
they
dug
wells
to
make
that
happen.
V
V
There
would
be
sidewalk
constructed
on
that
frontage
and
the
red
and
white
barricades
at
each
end
of
it,
partly
a
friendly
improvement
to
the
neighborhood
and
really
pretty
and
unsightly,
and
it
basically
it
says
you
can't
walk
on
the
sidewalk
unless
you
walk
in
front
of
our
what
we
would
be
required
to
do
so.
For
these
reasons,
we're
asking
for
waiver
the
sidewalk
requirement.
Also
there
any
questions
I'll
stand
for
those.
C
U
G
G
V
E
V
A
comment:
what
will
be
required
is
about
a
6x8
red
and
white
panel
at
the
end
of
each
at
the
end
of
the
sidewalk,
both
on
the
east
and
the
west.
That's
a
standard
requirement,
and
it's
nothing
that
can
be
waived.
It's
safety
condition
and
you
can
see
the
sidewalks
on
the
end
up
in
the
in
the
neighbor's
fence
line
both
on
the
east
and
west.
Also.
T
C
C
V
Just
one
comment
on
it
and
then
the
rest
of
the
time.
Again,
this
everybody
knows
the
situation.
Actually,
we've
got
watts
that
are
costing
150
000
dollars,
we're
trying
to
that's
a
standard
price
in
that
subdomain
we're
trying
to
provide
some
affordable
housing
down
in
here
and
every
little
bit
counts.
I
mean
this
is
this
item
here?
I'll
probably
just
add
another
two
or
three
thousand
dollars
to
the
to
the
house,
and
it
basically
serves
no
purpose.
C
G
G
H
G
G
The
reason
is,
you
know:
property
value,
it's
just
in
the
city's
policy
opinion.
It
makes
a
better
neighborhood,
and
so
I'm
of
the
mind
that
unless
there's
a
real
physical
in
the
lot
reason
to
not
do
it
that
I'm
always
going
to
be
in
favor
of
putting
in
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
Now,
in
this
case,
achd
has
said,
curb
and
gutter
doesn't
work,
so
fine,
that's
their
call,
but
I'm
going
to
stick
with
the
side
rock
requirement.
Thank
you.
E
Manager
appreciate
more
until
I
agree
with
everything
commissioner
gillespie
said
yeah.
I
can't
make
an
argument
to
go
against
the
staff
recommendation.
I
think
everything
makes
sense
in
there
don't
see
any
substantial
hardship.
The
barricade
I
understand
are
not
the
best.
I
would
be
curious
to
see
what
achds
rules
on
those
were
just
in
future
projects,
but
otherwise,
let's
support
motion.
C
H
C
C
U
Request
to
rezone
0.6
against
the
residential,
the
multi-family
residential
with
design
review,
met
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
36
attached
town
homes
on
1.6
acres
and
a
preliminary
plant
comprised
of
one
common
and
36
buildable
lots.
The
two
northern
parcels
were
previously
approved
for
a
pud
preliminary
plant
and
rezone.
The
applicant
is
now
increasing
the
number
of
units
from
20
to
36
and
adding
the
southern
parcel.
U
Due
to
these
changes,
the
pud
and
preliminary
plat
is
being
reconsidered
for
all
three
parcels,
but
the
rezone
request
for
you
tonight
is
only
needed
for
the
southernmost
parcel.
The
site
is
located
south
of
overland
road.
The
surrounding
neighborhood
is
a
mix
of
single
and
multi-family
residential,
along
with
education
and
office
uses
commercial
uses
and
overland
bus
road
route
are
less
than
a
quarter.
U
The
site
plan
complies
with
the
required
parking
height
and
density
requirements
of
the
r3
zone.
The
site
will
be
accessed
from
a
single
shared
driveway
at
the
southern
end
of
the
site,
and
a
public
access
easement
on
the
plat
will
leave
open
the
opportunity
for
pedestrian
access
to
the
west
in
the
future.
U
U
C
W
Madame
commissioner,
members
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
ben
semple,
1014
south
la
point
street
suite
3
boise,
idaho
83706,
I
want
to
thank
carla
for
her
presentation.
I
think
she
did
a
really
great
job
of
kind
of
encapsulating
what
this
change
is.
As
she
mentioned.
This
is
essentially
an
extension
slash,
redesign
of
the
previous
project
that
was
approved
on
the
two
parcels
to
the
north
of
the
third
parcel
being
rezoned
that
rezone
that
we
are
proposing
is,
in
conformance
with
the
other
two
parcels
rezoned.
W
We
do
have
a
limit
on
of
36
units
on
the
for
the
project
now
versus
20.,
we
consolidated
our
access
point
to
the
southern
boundary
of
the
property,
which
is
currently
a
developed,
34
foot,
wide
entry
off
of
federal
way
and
it
services
the
parcel
that
is
being
rezoned
currently
and
then
two
other
parcels
to
the
south.
So
it's
currently
being
shared
already.
W
We
intend
to
develop
it
as
a
24
foot
wide
access
point,
so
we
will
be
paving
half
of
the
driveway
that
is
currently
now
gravel.
When
you
turn
off
of
federal
way,
there's
probably
about
30
feet
of
pavement
and
then
half
of
it
is
paved
and
half
of
it
is
gravel.
So
we
will
be
upgrading
that,
as
well
as
installing
some
new
drainage
facilities
within
that
access
drive.
W
So
we
can
alleviate
any
drainage
issues
that
may
occur
in
the
future
or
may
be
occurring
right
now,
with
the
asphalt
slash,
gravel
entry,
the
pud
and
subdivision
is
kind
of
just
a
redesign.
I
think
that
this
design
with
the
third
parcel
online
actually
creates
a
much
more
successful
project.
We
have
a
large
kind
of
open
space
plaza
area
between
the
two
central
banks
of
buildings.
There
will
be
some
vertical
elements
in
there
raised
planters,
some
different
ground,
plane,
materials,
pavers
and
concrete
to
create
a
really
great
interactive
space.
W
In
the
center
of
this
development
that
the
residents
of
this
project
can
enjoy,
we
will
be
doing
extensive
landscaping
on
the
periphery
of
the
project
to
help
buffer
we're
saving
a
substantial
amount
of
existing
trees
on
the
site.
There
will
be
some
trees
that
are
being
removed,
but
we
are
mitigating
for
those
that
was
in
the
report.
As
well,
I
guess
I
should
state
also
that
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report
and
conditions
of
approval,
both
the
city
staff
report
and
the
achd
staff
report.
W
We
did
have
a
conversation
with
the
neighbor
that
had
discussed
or
sent
in
some
testimony
regarding
traffic
during
our
meetings
they
hadn't
brought
that
up.
They
were
more
concerned
about
access
during
construction
right
after
construction
as
well
and
just
the
general
impact
of
the
project
on
their
properties.
W
W
We
worked
with
the
fire
department
with
this
layout
to
ensure
that
we
have
adequate
turnaround
on
the
site,
there's
actually
two
turnarounds,
one
on
the
north
portion
of
our
access
drive
and
then
one
on
the
south
that
allows
fire
adequate
access
to
the
buildings
and
we
are
sprinkling
on
top
of
that.
These
all
of
the
buildings
will
be
fire,
sprinkled
just
to
help
with
that
with
their
comfort
level
and
the
safety
of
the
residents
here
and
adjacent.
W
You
know
really
with
that.
I
would
stand
for
questions.
I
think
again,
it's
a
very
successful
or
will
be
a
very
successful
project,
and
it
really
just
carries
that
design
that
you've,
reviewed
and
approved-
I
think,
is
about
six
months
ago-
we're
just
kind
of
expanding
that
that
design
and
we're
really
looking
forward
to
this
excited
about
this
project.
So
now
I'll
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you.
C
H
U
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie
it
does,
it
is
required
to
have
two
amenities
and
they
are
being
provided
within
a
common,
open
space
and
then
there's
going
to
be
ev
charging
stations
in
the
garages.
And
then
each
of
the
units
does
have
its
own
private,
open
space
in
the
form
of
a
rooftop
patio
and
balconies.
G
G
W
W
We
had
requested
some
different
variances
when
we
went
back
and
redesigned
this
fully,
as
in
one
complete
project,
we
did
step
the
buildings
on
the
west
side,
so
we're
complying
with
that
20-foot
setback
to
the
third
story,
we're
15
feet
to
the
first
and
second
floors,
we're
not
requesting
any
variances
and
then
the
north
and
south
boundaries.
We
actually
set
the
building
itself
back
just
under
20
feet
versus
the
15.
That's
required
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
breathing
room
there
for
some
landscaping
and
access
pathways
and
we
felt
it.
K
C
Okay,
great
next,
we'll
move
to
public
testimony.
So
if
you're
here
tonight,
because
you'd
like
to
testify
on
this
item
number
nine,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
perfect.
We
will
start
then
with
carrie
riggs.
Just
give
us
a
moment,
please
to
give
you
the
talking
permissions,
and
then
there
you
are
once
you
unmute.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
X
Hi,
my
name
is
carrie
riggs.
I
live
at
17
22
in
that
circle,
boise,
idaho
83705.
I
live
directly
behind
right,
where
the
new
the
new
section
was
that
they're
gonna
they're
trying
to
change
so
for
one.
I
just
think
that
there's
too
many
condos
for
our
neighborhood,
what
they
are
proposing
doesn't
match
our
neighborhood
at
all.
I
understand
that
something
will
be
built.
I
just
don't
think
that
it
should
be
so
many
and
so
high.
X
X
X
X
F
M
C
W
Okay,
madam
commissioner,
members
of
the
commission
yeah
I
we
did
explore
very
early
on
a
potential
for
a
shared
parking
agreement
with
an
adjacent
apartment
complex.
We
did
abandon
that
we
do
have.
There
are
some
units
within
the
new
proposal
that
have
kind
of
an
oversized
single
car
garage,
but
those
are,
they
also
have
some
surface
parking
spaces.
W
You
know
with
the
with
the
addition
of
five
parking
stalls.
We
also
you
know
some
of
the
the
reason
that
these
are
we're.
Varying
the
housing
type
and
unit
counts
the
ones
that
have
a
little
bit
smaller
garage
or
what
we
would
consider
like.
A
one
and
a
half
a
car
and,
like
a
motorcycle,
easily
fit
in
there.
W
W
We
feel
it's
a
very
high
quality
development
right
now.
There's
three
homes
that
I
think
have
four
dwelling
units
on
the
three
parcels,
which
is
a
massive
underutilization
of
the
property.
It's
also
on
a
major
transit
corridor
or
major
thoroughfare,
a
federal
way
which
we
feel
like
would
develop.
This
could
could
have
developed
into
a
commercial
use,
as
is
evident,
moving
both
north
and
south
along
federal
way.
W
C
H
C
J
T
C
M
C
Thank
you.
Okay,
we'll
loop
background
to
item
number
five.
This
is
sos
20-36,
2605,
south
glenwood
or
greenwood
circle.
Excuse
me,
this
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance.
We
did
hear
the
staff
report,
so
I
will
move
on
to
see
if
we
can
get
mr
mcallister
on
the
line.
Madam
chair,
yes,
go
ahead,
ms
rain,
I
have
him
on
my.
T
I
only
have
one
real
objective
to
talk
to
achd.
They
do
not
care
whether
the
sidewalk
is
here
or
not.
This
is
an
older
subdivision
they're.
This
is
the
last
available
lot
in
the
sub,
so
I
understand
the
connectivity,
but
this
is
going
to
be
there's
a
little
sidewalk
across
the
way
that
is
kind
of
in
between
two
driveways
and
and
this
would
be
a
sidewalk-
that's
never
going
to
connect
to
anybody
and
it.
It
just
seems
that
they're
not
going
to
connect
anything,
unfortunately
so
kind
of
a
waste.
T
G
So
I
have
a
a
again
a
question
for
mr
mcallister.
First
of
all,
thank
thank
you,
mr
mcallister,
for
hanging
in
there
and
doing
this.
I
know
it's
not
the
greatest
way
to
spend
a
monday
listening
to
us.
So
I
appreciate
that
so
mr
mcallister
quick
question,
so
looking
at
this,
I
have
the
same
question
I
had
for
the
last
one,
which
is
your
property,
looks
pretty
flat,
pretty
straightforward,
so
I'm
not
seeing
any
major
geotechnical
or
in
the
ground.
T
No
there's
there's
not
there's
a
large
tree;
we
don't
want
to
lose
at
the
at
the
end
of
the
property.
It
makes
it
interesting
to
put
a
sidewalk
in
there.
So
you
know
don't
want
to
you
know:
you're
going
to
dig
down
so
much
and
put
rocks
and
sand
and
stuff
like
that
and
compact
it.
I
don't
know
if
we're
going
to
affect
the
tree
or
not.
Okay,.
S
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie
it
did
come
up
and
I
reached
out
to
community
forestry.
They
didn't
prepare
official
comments
because
it
is
a
private
tree,
but
from
the
preliminary
look
that
he
was
able
to
take,
they
believe
that,
with
careful
excavation,
the
sidewalk
can
go
in
without
negatively
well
minimizing
the
negative
effects
of
the
tree.