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A
Session
this
evening
we
are
going
to
be
hearing
a
brief
slideshow
about
the
modern
zoning
code
process
overview
from
Tim
Keane.
B
Good
evening,
everybody
thank
you
for
letting
us
attend
this
evening
and
again
thank
you
for
all.
You
do
for
the
city
of
Boise
I'm,
going
to
present
briefly
on,
what's
going
to
be
happening
later
this
month
and
when
you
have
a
series
of
hearings
related
to
a
new
zoning
ordinance
for
the
city,
so
we
thought
we'd
give
you
a
preview
with
regard
to
how
we're
thinking
that
will
go.
B
These
are
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commissions
hearings,
of
course,
so
you
can
decide
exactly
how
you'll
proceed
as
you
like,
but
we
thought
we'd
we'd
present
some
parameters
here
for
you
tonight
to
think
about,
as
we
prepare
for
those
hearings,
a
few
things
I'll
go
through
in
my
brief
presentation
again
what
to
expect
during
that
the
hearing
week
of
April
24th
a
little
bit
about
the
staff
report
that
we've
provided
to
you
recently
that
fairly
substantial
staff
report
that
all
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
members
received
from
us
recently
the
nature
of
your
recommendation
to
city
council
and
a
few
next
steps
between
now
and
the
hearings.
B
First,
with
regard
to
the
longer
process
and
where
we
stand
today,
of
course,
the
ordinance
that
we
have
before
us
at
this
point
as
a
community
was
released
in
at
the
end
of
February
we've
been
receiving.
As
you
know,
lots
of
comment,
written
comments
so
far,
some
of
which
you've
received
but
you'll
receive
all
of
it
before
the
the
hearings.
Later
this
month,
we've
distributed
the
first
staff
report
and
I'll
mention
later
we'll
give
you
a
another
memo
just
before
the
hearings
at
the
end
of
April.
B
With
regard
to
the
hearings
that
week
of
the
24th,
here's
the
here's
the
schedule,
of
course
we
don't
know
at
this
point-
how
many
people
will
be
speaking
but
we're
anticipating.
Quite
a
few
will
so
we've
got
multiple
days
that
week
of
the
24th
to
provide
plenty
of
time
for
people
to
speak.
We
want
to
hear
from
everybody,
of
course,
and
the
schedule
that
we're
proposing
is
that
we
begin
with
a
staff
presentation
on
the
on
the
proposed
zoning
code
and
and
comprehensive
plan
Amendment.
B
First,
they
didn't
get
it
get
into
neighborhood
associations,
testimony
and
that's
on
the
first
evening,
which
would
start
at
4
P.M
I'll
get
to
the
conclusion
of
the
meeting
on
each
evening
as
well.
We're
saying
10
p.m
here,
but
of
course
that
would
depend
on
the
number
of
people
and
it's
again
to
the
discretion
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
One
to
conclude,
but
we'd
have
those
neighborhood
associations
that
first
night
then
we'd
move
into
just
general
public.
B
Testimony
on
the
second
night
on
Tuesday
continue
that
into
Wednesday
and
then
Thursday
we're
anticipating
concluding
that
public
testimony
than
having
as
much
discussion
among
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
members,
questions
related
to
all
that.
Testimony
that
you've
received
your
deliberations
and
then
a
recommendation
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
to
City
Council
on
these
two
matters.
B
With
regard
to
the
hearings
themselves,
what
we're
recommending
is
that
we
give
each
of
the
neighborhood
associations
five
minutes
to
testify,
then
give
three
minutes
per
for
each
individual
that
wants
to
testify
to
the
commission
and
that
we
start
with
in-person
testimony
followed
by
online
testimony
at
each
of
those
hearings
on
each
evening.
C
B
Our
staff
report,
which
you
received
recently,
is
also
available
on
our
on
zoning,
rewrite
webpage
here
on
the
city's
webpage,
and
you
can
get
it
at
that
QR
code
you
can
get
to
that
page
and
that
QR
code
on
this
image
here
I
will
go
through
the
outline
of
what
the
contents
of
that
initial
report.
What
were
the
contents
of
that
initial
report
that
you
recently
received?
B
It
basically
consisted
of
of
outlining
what
the
commission
is
charged
with
at
this
time,
which
is
two
recommendations.
One
relates
to
the
repeal
and
replacement
of
our
chapter
11
of
our
code,
which
is
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
that's
one
action
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
will
be
recommending
on
and
then
the
second
action
is
the
amendment
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
which
addresses
the
zoning
districts
that
we're
proposing
and
the
and
the
new
standards
that
are
part
of
this
proposed
zoning.
B
This
new
proposed
zoning
ordinance.
So
the
action
on
the
comprehensive
plan
recommendation
is
a
separate
action
from
the
one
on
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
we
have
two
recommendations:
you'll
be
you'll,
have
two
motions:
two
votes
on
these
two
separate
items:
the
comprehensive
plan
Amendment
and
the
repeal
and
replacement
of
chapter
11.
B
a
little
deeper
into
those
report.
Contents
that
you
recently
received.
They
include
the
requirements
that
we're
following
related
to
the
Idaho
state
law,
as
it
relates
to
land
use
planning
in
the
state
of
Idaho,
so
an
outline
of
those
requirements
more
on
the
process,
time
the
timeline
and
and
the
nature
of
the
process,
which
has
been
a
multi-year
process.
As
you
know,
the
public
Outreach
that's
been
conducted
over
those
years
of
varied
types
which
I'll
highlight
in
just
a
minute
and
then
an
overview
of
the
proposed
code.
B
That
report
also
included
these
exhibits.
So
the
all
of
these
exhibits
here,
including
the
conversion
map
and
the
Amendments,
that
we're
proposing
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
blueprint
Boise,
also
the
comments
that
we've
received
from
other
agencies
on
the
proposed
zoning
ordinance
through
March
22nd
and
also
the
comments
we've
received
so
far-
are
by
March
22nd
from
from
residents
of
Boise
and
others.
So
you
received
your
first
kind
of
package
of
comments.
I'll
get
back
to
that
in
just
a
minute.
B
With
regard
to
community
engagement
over
this
longer
process
to
draft
a
new
ordinance
for
the
city,
we've
had
these
ways
for
people
to
participate
and
interact
with
the
process.
We've
had
29
Community
conversations
throughout
the
city
through
those
multiple
phases
of
the
work,
five
surveys
that
have
been
done.
Other
stakeholder
meetings,
we've
made
Seven
presentations,
the
city
council,
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
and
design
Review
Committee
have
have
had
discussions
or
presentations
along
the
way
12
times
and
then,
of
course,
we
had
a
Citywide
advisory
committee
that
was
appointed
by
the
mayor.
B
The
nature
of
your
work
at
at
the
end
of
April
and
in
your
recommendations
to
city
council
just
wanted
to
to
clarify
the
nature
of
this
deliberation
and
action
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
This
is
a
legislative
decision
in
the
sense
that
it's
this
is
policy
that
you're
making
a
recommendation
on
to
city,
council
and
I
think
that's
an
important
distinction
to
make
so
you're.
B
B
Now
as
you're
as
you're
discussing
all
that's
part
of
this,
and
even
our
recommendations
to
you
when
we
come
to
you
later
this
month,
certainly
you're
going
to
have
thoughts
about
different
aspects
of
it
and
it's
great
to
put
that
on
the
record
and
have
that
part
of
your
deliberation
in
in
whatever
way.
You'd
like,
but
certainly
we're
expecting,
of
course,
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
aspects
of
this
code
and
and
where
we
are
with
it
and
thoughts.
B
We
have
about
amendments
to
it
and
you
have
about
amendments
to
it
and
that's
good
to
be
on
the
record.
But
then,
at
the
end,
it's
just
it's
a
recommendation
to
Counsel
on
whether
we,
whether
we
approve
these
comprehensive
plan,
amendments
and
Zoning,
repeal
and
replacement
or
not
so
like,
like.
It
says
here
on
the
right,
so
flag,
issues
that
you
have
in
that
discussion
and
deliberation,
but
then
vote
as
a
as
a
commission
on
whether
to
recommend
this
or
not
next
steps.
B
You
will
actually
each
week
you'll
be
getting
a
transmittal
of
the
comment
we're
receiving
between
now
and
the
public
hearings
later
this
month.
You'll
continue
to
get
this
collection
of
comments
that
we're
getting
from
other
agencies
and
the
general
public,
with
the
idea
being
that
we
don't
over
just
send
everything
to
you
at
the
end
and
you're
just
buried
in
comments.
B
So
the
idea
here
was
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
that
first
set
of
comments,
which
we've
already
done
with
this
first
report,
but
continue
to
correspond
with
you
on
a
weekly
basis,
so
you're
seeing
the
comments
as
they're
coming
into
us
and
aren't
overwhelmed
by
them
at
the
end
of
the
process
so
and
then
right
before
the
hearing
or
late
next
week.
B
So
we
will
send
that
that
memo
to
you
before
the
meeting
just
to
clarify
those
things.
So
we
don't
have
to
get
into
explaining
that
in
the
hearings,
so
you'll
have
it
beforehand.
What
are
those
Corrections
we're
making
that
are
just
that
are
just
formatting
and
typographical.
B
And
so
that's
kind
of
a
rundown
of
where
we're
headed
this
month
and
wanted
to
give
you
some
time
to
ask
any
questions
related
to
any
of
those
things.
Of
course,
we've
got
our
team
here.
That's
been
working
deeply
on
this.
You
know
Andrea
tuning
and
Deanna
Dupuis
and
Lena
Walker
in
particular
that
are
here
to
help
answer
questions
or
get
into
any
other
aspects
of
this
that
you
have
in
your
on
your
mind
that
we
want
to
talk
about
tonight.
F
E
E
It
so
I
have
an
observation.
This
is.
This
is
also
directed
at
us
right,
because
this
is
a
this
is
a
different
situation.
This
is
a
legislative
issue,
it's
not
a
permit
hearing,
so
it's
it's
very
different
than
our
normal,
the
normal
things
before
us.
So
in
that
respect
we
have
a
lot
of
leeways
to
how
we
want
to
run
the
hearing.
E
We
could
have
20
hours
of
testimony.
It's
really
hard
to
sort
of
keep
track
of
just
sit
there
and
listen
to
20
hours
of
testimony
and
then
have
intelligent
deliberation
about
all
that
20
hours,
so
I'm
just
wondering
to
fellow
Commissioners.
If,
because
we
can
do
it,
if
we
want
to
do
we
do
we
want
to
break
it
up
in
some
way
and
we
we
take
questions
or
where
we
we
think
about
it
in
sections
or
at
the
end
of
every
of
the
five
meetings
or
four
meetings.
E
Do
we
stop
and
then
at
that
point
sort
of
Workshop
the
couple
of
ideas
that
came
out
of
that
day
so
that
we
can
sort
of
keep
track
of
it
as
we're
going
I'll
just
leave
that
first
to
legal
to
you
know,
say
if
we're
you
know,
he
wants
to
keep
us
in
bounds,
but
as
I
read
it
the
boundaries
here
are
a
lot.
You
know
pretty
broad
and
I.
Just
frankly,
don't
want
to
listen
to
20
25
hours
of
people.
E
D
E
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
you
know
if
you
guys
have
an
idea
like
how
do
we
do
this
so
that
it's
not
just
you
know,
like
interface,
was
really
hard
because
we
have
like
we
had
like
days
and
days
of
testimony
spread
out
and
then,
where
we
couldn't
ask
any
questions,
we
just
have
to
sit
there,
we're
all
taking
notes
like
crazy
and
then
we
have
to
all
figure
it
out
right.
It's
just
not
a
very
effective
problem,
solving
process
and
I.
E
E
We
would
serve
them
best
if
we
could
give
them
some
fairly,
well-written
and
logical
set
of
recommendations
if
we
have
them
for
for
changes,
additions
or
or
what
have
you
so
I'm
going
to
stop
there
and
Tim
I'd
welcome
your
thoughts
or
anybody
else's.
B
I
mean
that's
a
great
Point
and,
and
we
can
discuss
you
know
whether
we
got
other
recommendations
for
how
to
structure
the
hearing
that
that
could
address
those
issues
interested
in
everybody's
thoughts
on
that.
But
we
can
take
that
into
advisement.
D
H
E
You
know
that's
hard
for
us
to
do,
because
we
don't
track
that
really
well,
so
we
can't
really
restrict
what
the
public
wants
to
talk
about
in
their
three
minutes
of
fame,
so
I'm
sort
of
problem
solving
out
loud,
because
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
one
day
where
we
just
talk
about
the
new
approval
criteria
that
where,
where
certain
things
don't
even
come
to
us
and
certain
things
do
like
there's
just
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
that's
pure
procedural
and
has
nothing
to
do
with
like
setbacks
and
Heights
and
densities.
I
Excuse
me,
I
can
see
a
world
where
we
can
continue
to
ask
questions
which
I
think
is
interesting
and
helpful
as
you're
hearing
testimony.
That's
something
different
that
we
don't
typically
do
but
I
don't
see
how
you
can
tell
the
public
that
they
can
or
cannot
testify
because
we're
on
a
specific
day.
E
Well,
I'm,
you
are
you
gonna,
go
I,
know
I'm,
sort
of
wondering
and
I'm
asking
you
guys
like.
If
you
wanted
to
chunk
this
thing
up
into
like
five
big
bits,
so
that
our
recommendations
would
all
fall
under
one
of
these
five
categories.
One
of
them
is
process,
the
other
might
be
density,
the
other
might
be
Transportation
link
whatever
right.
Whatever
the
five
things
are,
because
then
we
can
put
that
up.
E
We
can
have
you
know
our
own
whiteboards
here
and
as
we
come
up
with
recommendations,
we
can
Journal
it
behind
us
so
that
we're
sort
of
keeping
a
running
track
of
all
the
stuffs.
And
then,
when
we
come
back
to
the
deliberation
on
the
last
day,
we
can
kind
of
say
no.
Yes,
that's
a
good
idea
that
doesn't
make
blah
blah
blah
blah.
D
B
B
D
G
B
Yeah,
it's
gonna,
be
such
a
you
know
a
number
of
things
there's
a
way,
I
think
to
to
kind
of
have
the
commission.
You
know
able
to
kind
of
work
through
it
the
way
you're
describing,
but
maybe
it's
not
actually
a
white
board
in
the
room.
Maybe
it's
another
mechanism
that
we
have,
and
maybe
it
happens
each
evening.
You
know
to.
G
D
I
I
mean
I,
I
can
I,
don't
know,
Mel
how
you
can
ask
like
if
you're
deliberating
on
a
topic,
the
first
night,
we're
still
gonna,
hear
public
testimony
the
other
four
nights
right.
I
So
it's
tough
I
mean
it
almost
it's
adding.
So
to
me
the
way
I
see
this
is
adding
so
much
to
the
plate,
because,
because
you're
still
gonna
have
to
deliberate
again
right
to
be
fair
to
the
public,
who
testified
after.
E
E
Are
the
three
things
that
you
want
to
just
journal
and
we
just
do
that
and
so
we're
not
voting
or
deliberating
as
in
critiquing
and
arguing
about
we're
just
saying
these
are
the
three
things
that
Ashley's
con
you
know
was
thinking
about,
based
on
what
we
heard
yeah
and
then
we
use
that
as
a
tool
at
the
end
to
go
through
and
say.
Are
we
addressing
all
the
issues
that
we
had?
As
we
heard
all
this
testimony,
just
an
idea,
I
mean
or
we
can
just
do
it
like.
K
Yeah,
just
a
thought
here
is
that
you
know
I
I'd
hesitate
to
commit
us
to
try
to
summarize
things
at
the
end
of
the
night,
given
that
we
will
be
here
close
to
10
o'clock
and
starting
at
five
I
suspect
that
that
might
be
a
little
tricky,
especially
night.
Three
and
four,
but
I'm
wondering
if
maybe
looking
at
the
schedule,
I
see
that
we
are
having
a
30
minute
break
each
night.
I
wonder
if
maybe
taking
10
minutes
before
that
break
and
just
kind
of
okay.
E
E
You
know,
as
my
understanding
of
legislative
matters
is,
if
we
put
it
into
the
public
records,
we
can
circulate
emails
about
this
stuff
right.
It's
like
it's.
It's
like
a
Committee
hearing
at
the
legislature
right
where
they,
as
long
as
you
meet
open
meeting
requirements,
there's
no
ex
parte.
There's!
No
there's!
No!
You
know.
There's
none
of
that
sort
of
judicial
boundaries.
D
Well,
we
don't
I
think
as
we
get
into
this
a
little
deeper
right.
You
know
I'm
sure
we've
all
started
reading
our
packets.
We
can
continue
to
put
some
more
thought
to
this,
because
I
think
we
continue
to
discuss
this.
You
know,
as
we
get
a
little
closer
right.
It's
not
like.
We
have
to
have
this
set
in
stone
tonight
by
any
means.
G
D
D
We
have
that
much
testimony,
we've
built
that
into
sort
of
the
process
and
this
in
everyone's
schedules.
If
that
is
the
case
that
we're
we.
B
But
but
yeah
we've
got
the
we've
got
we're
we're
preparing
for
that.
Okay,
excellent.
J
Okay,
Mr
chair
I
got
a
question
about
the
process.
I
guess
since
we're
making
recommendation
to
council
is,
is
the
first
move
to
recommend
action
on
the
comp
plan,
because
the
zoning
code
is
reflection
of
the
comp
planners.
I
got
the
impression
from
the
slides.
It
was
zoning
code.
Then
comp
plan
right.
J
Okay
and
then
another
question
that,
regarding
recommended
neighborhood
testimony
so
who
are
the
recommended
neighborhoods
well.
B
D
D
L
J
But
I
had
a
question
related
to
that
which
is
slipped
my
mind.
There
sorry
I'll
come
back
to
it.
Okay,.
D
G
D
J
Been
a
thought
to
actually
reaching
out
to
those
organized
opposition
groups
and
giving
them
five
minutes
as
well,
reject
Boise
up
to
them.
For
example,
just
say:
hey,
Mr
Kangas,
you
got
five
minutes
as
a
just
kind
of
a
placating,
give
them
the
same
footing
as
a
neighborhood
association.
I
know,
that's
probably
a
difficult
place
to
start.
J
F
B
J
D
M
D
You
know
throughout
the
process.
You
know
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
where
we've
been
very
clear
about
what
we've
heard
any
concerns
on
your
side.
If
we
are
just
kind
of
clear
at
the
beginning
of
every
meeting
or
if
we
get
you
know
halfway
through
every
night,
and
we
say:
okay,
we've
heard
these
things
just
to
sort
of
kind
of
keep
the
process
moving
forward
at
a
more
timely
fashion.
So
we're
not
just
rehashing
the
same
comments
constantly
any
input
there
well.
D
F
H
B
Well,
thank
you
for
this
I
know.
It's
a
big
undertaking
appreciate
this
is
a
special
kind
of
Public
Service
in
April
for
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
and
greatly
appreciate
it.
This
is
such
an
important
recommendation
for
the
city.
Everybody
cares
about
this
one
way
or
another.
Everybody
legitimately
cares
about
it.
All
the
opinions
are
legitimate
and
helpful,
so
it
will
be
interesting
discussion
about
the
future
of
Boise,
certainly.
D
F
A
I
want
to
hear
all
of
this,
so
let's
get
through
your
gender
review.
Okay.
So
tonight
we've
got
a
pretty
short
lineup.
We've
just
got
six
items
to
start
off
with.
We
do
have
two
minutes
that
need
to
be
voted
on
from
March,
6th
and
March
13th
and
then
for
consent.
We
can
try
on
items.
Oh
sorry,
we'll
just
go
through
it.
Sorry
number
one
is
CCC
22
348.
It's
an
appeal
of
the
planning
director's
approval
for
auto
sales
and
a
c2d
General
commercial
with
design
review
Zone.
A
We've
got
another
appeal:
Ros
22-00110,
that's
at
2830,
South
Cloverdale,
and
it's
an
appeal
of
the
planning
director's
approval
of
a
record
of
survey
for
a
minor
land
division
on
just
under
an
acre
in
an
r1c
Zone.
We're
also
recommending
Denial
on
that.
So
we'll
be
hearing
that
item.
A
Then
we
can
get
into
attempting
consent
item.
Three
is
SOS
23.5,
it's
at
10,
North,
Wilson
Street,
and
it's
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
a
sidewalk
as
part
of
a
minor
land
division.
We
are
recommending
approval
on
that.
So
we
can
try
for
consent.
Item
four
is
scp-235
at
3770
North,
Jackie
Lane.
This
is
both
a
preliminary
and
a
final
plot
for
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
six
buildable
Lots
on
0.88
acres
in
an
r1c
Zone.
We
are
also
recommending
approval
on
that.
So
we
can
try
for
consent.
A
A
We
are
they.
We
got
a
late
post,
late
correspondence
request
for
deferral
on
that,
so
it
would
be
up
to
you
all
if
you
wanted
to
maybe
move
that
up
to
item
one.
So
we
can
take
care
of
that
deferral
request
because
we
did
have
some
people
signed
up
to
speak
so,
whether
or
not
we
want
to
do
that
probably
want
to
just
get
that
out
of
the
way:
okay,
yep.
Okay,
what.
N
A
Just
ask
informally
so
sure:
okay,
so
that's
item
five
and
then
last
tonight
would
be
item
six,
it's
cup,
23
6
and
that's
at
6099,
South,
Federal
Way.
It's
conditional
use
permit
for
two
off-site
Advertising
Signs
or
Billboards
on
20.62
acres
and
an
m1d
light
industrial
with
designer
V
Zone.
We
are
recommending
approval,
so
we
can
try
for
consent
on
that.
A
Recap:
we've
got
minutes,
we
can
try
for
consent
on
three
four
and
six.
We
will
be
hearing
one
and
two
for
sure,
and
we've
got
a
deferral
request
for
item
five.
Okay,
questions.
D
A
All
right
good
evening
once
again
and
welcome
to
the
Boise
City
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
Zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
Star
nine.
A
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
Testimony
we
are
strict.
With
this
time
is,
is
limited
in
code.
Finally,
the
applicant
is
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
After
which
the
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision
Mr
chair,
you
have
the
floor.
D
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
That's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
that
in
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda,
all
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved.
With
one
motion.
D
G
D
D
This
is
a
modification
to
existing
development
agreement
to
amend
conditions
on
secondary
access
for
The,
Rush,
Valley
subdivision
on
18.4
acres
and
r1c
Zone.
So
this
item,
the
Apple
I
understand
the
applicant,
would
like
to
defer.
Is
that
right,
Mr
Clark
gonna
come
up,
please!
We
just
want
to
get
on
the
record
here
that
the
plan
is.
P
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
Heath,
Clark,
251,
East,
Front
Street
in
Boise,
representing
the
applicant
and
you're
correct.
We
would
like
to
defer
I
understand
that
the
commission
would
like
a
little
bit
of
background
on
that.
This
application
has
a
lot
of
history
to
it.
Several
years.
There's
a
lot
of
agency
involvement
with
this
application,
including
prior
positions
of
agencies.
We've
had
a
number
of
conversations
with
the
agencies,
in
particular
fire
about
the
the
Wildfire
safety
plan
that
we've
provided.
P
As
we
reviewed
the
staff
report,
it
seemed
to
us
that
there
was
still
some
disconnect
between
staff
and
the
agencies
and
as
to
what
the
exact
positions
are,
and
so
we
are
asking
for
a
deferral
to
be
able
to
have
a
few
more
conversations.
Make
sure
that
that's
all
very
clear
that
the
public
is
very
aware
of
what
it
is
that
we're
proposing
and
what
the
agency's
responses
are
before
we
come
to
a
hearing.
Okay,.
D
D
D
So
per
our
discussion
just
now
with
the
applicant,
the
applicant
would
like
to
defer
this
item
to
June
5th,
if
you're
in
attendance
here
tonight
to
testify
regarding
this
item
again,
it's
car
23-6
regarding
Rush
Valley
subdivision.
Is
there
anybody
here
like
to
testify
that
cannot
attend
the
meeting
on
June
5th
because
we're
going
to
be
hearing
that
item
now
on
June
5th
sir
come
on
up
here.
Please.
D
So,
just
to
be
clear,
you
cannot
attend
that
meeting
on
June
5th.
As
far
as
I
know,
right
now,
I
cannot
okay
staff.
Are
we
good
to
go
ahead
and
take
his
testimony?
Now
then?
Okay,
great
sir,
you
can
start
with
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Please
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
testify.
Q
Do
you
also
have
this
in
your
packet
as
a
late
entry?
Okay,
these
comments
are
for
the
re-re-re-proposal
for
the
Congress
Rush
Valley
subdivision
off
Columbia
Road
I've
I
have
appeared
before
both
you
and
the
Boise
City
Council
on
numerous
occasions
in
opposition.
This
proposal
was
rejected,
then
modified
with
strict
conditions.
Q
Q
Three
Conger
now
proposes
to
eliminate
even
the
sprinkler
system
in
any
new
homes
that
here's
my
comment
from
2021..
The
original
proposal
has
been
modified
that
only
70
homes
can
be
built
until
a
secondary
access
road
is
built.
This
is
even
though
the
development
has
only
a
wish
and
a
prayer
that
this
will
ever
happen.
Q
I've
spoken
to
the
lawyers
of
Micron,
who
tell
me
that
they
Simplot
and
the
Simplot
family
have
no
intentions
of
selling
any
land
to
the
developer
for
a
road.
Therefore,
I
can
reasonably
predict
that
Conger
will
come
back
to
you
after
his
70
homes
are
built
with
a
story
of
how
a
tribe
was
unsuccessful
in
convincing
the
three
players
to
acquiesce.
Q
Columbia
Road
itself
is
inadequate
to
handle
the
additional
traffic
flow
has
been
shown
by
the
Micron
traffic
study.
This
was
also
confirmed
by
the
achd
reports
which
allow
for
mitigations
to
its
own
regulations.
Q
If
a
fire
were
two
occurred
on
the
south
side,
forcing
everybody
to
use
the
north
side,
there's
5,
000
Employees,
leaving
before
the
residents
of
painted
Ridge
or
the
other
two
subdivisions
can
exit
these
points.
Oh
wait,
the
new
Congress.
This
is
seven.
The
new
Conger
proposal
adds
that
they
would
put
some
fire,
blankets
and
water
in
a
pavilion
storage
area.
This
is
insulting.
Q
R
Q
D
D
O
D
D
D
D
And
then
right
along
to
item
number
four,
this
is
SUV
23-5
Glory
subdivision
at
3770
North
Jackie
Lane.
This
is
a
preliminary
and
final
plot
for
a
residential
subdivision
comprised
of
six
buildable
Lots
on
0.88
acres
in
an
r1c
zone.
Is
the
applicant
present
this
evening
great
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Okay,
let
the
records
show
the
applicant
is
present
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report
and
is
there
anyone
here
hoping
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this
item.
G
D
We'll
go
ahead
and
place.
I
have
number
four
on
the
consent
agenda
and
last
but
not
least,
item
number
six.
This
is
cup
23-6
Lamar
Outdoor
Advertising
of
Idaho
6099
South,
Federal
Way.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
two
off-site
Advertising
Signs
on
20.62
acres
in
an
m1d
Zone
is
the
applicant
present.
D
G
D
Online
Mr
Miller:
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
D
Stab
do
you
think
it's
acceptable
to
take
his
silence
as
using
agreement?
Okay,
very
good,
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
that
as
a
yes
and
he's
agreement
with
this
with
the
staff
report
and
then
is
there
anyone
here
hoping
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this
item?
Again
this
is
item
six
Lamar
Outdoor
advertising
on
Federal,
Way,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
place
item
number
six
on
consent,
then
I
think
with
that
I
will
entertain
a
motion
regarding
the
consent
agenda.
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Danley.
G
K
It
is
Homes
located
at
10,
North,
Wilson,
Street
and
Weber
to
the
subdivision,
ordinance
for
to
construct
Ed,
sidewalk
item
number
four
sub
23-05
Glory
subdivision
3770,
North,
Jackie
lane
or
preliminary
and
final
plot
for
residential
subdivision
and
item
number
six
cup
23-06
Lamar
Outdoor,
Advertising,
Idaho,
6099,
South,
Federal
Way,
a
conditional
use
permit
for
two
off-site
Advertising
Signs,
the
approved
with
their
respective
terms
and
conditions
in
their
staff
reports.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
commissioner
Danley
was
the
motion
area.
Commissioner,
stead
was
the
second.
O
D
D
S
S
The
subject
property
is
at
10243
West
Fairview
Avenue
in
the
c2d
zone
in
an
existing
Shopping
Center
East
of
Five
Mile
Road
for
some
background
information.
The
applicants
own
the
parcels
you
see
outlined
in
pink
and
then
the
appellants
are
associated
with
the
parcel
to
the
West
highlighted
in
blue
and
that
owner
is
vrck
LLC
and
the
Tenant
is
Bert
McDowell
of
McDowell's,
specialty
repairs
and
at
the
northeast
corner,
is
the
existing
Auto
Sales
use
that
would
like
to
expand
onto
this
portion
of
the
subject.
Property.
S
S
The
auto
sales
use
is
allowed
in
the
c2d
zone
prior
to
the
table
of
allowed
uses.
The
city
cannot
prohibit
a
use
based
on
the
private
Declaration
of
restrictions
document.
Therefore,
this
is
a
private
dispute
to
be
settled
outside
of
the
city's
process
and
is
not
a
valley
ground
for
appeal
foreign
requirements.
The
zoning
ordinance
requires
parking
for
a
shopping
center
at
once.
One
parking
space
per
300
gross
square
feet
of
floor
area.
S
The
applicant
site
plan
indicates
they
have
at
least
30
excess
parking
spaces
that
could
be
used
for
Auto
Sales
Additionally.
The
approval
contains
several
conditions
to
ensure
the
required
parking
is
available
and
compliant,
and
we
can
review
those
in
detail
if
you
would
like.
Therefore,
the
approval
ensures
the
parking
requirements
are
met,
and
this
is
not
a
valid
ground
for
appeal.
R
Rudder
251
East
Front,
Street,
Boise
Idaho.
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
and
a
few
housekeeping
items
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Burt
McDowell's,
who
is
the
tenant
the
named
applicant,
is
the
property
owner
in
the
landlord
and
for
terms
of
my
presentation.
I'll
refer
to
the
applicant
as
Fun
Zone,
generally
really,
there's
three
things
that
we
need
to
consider
on
this
appeal.
One
there's
actually
two
other
projects
that
are
concurrent
and
parallel
with
this
application
and
those
have
to
be
considered
tonight.
Second,
there's
evidence
before
you
right
now
in
your
packet
that
actually
shows
Fun.
R
Zone
cannot
meet
the
required
231
that
staff
has
required
and
in
fact
the
city
actually
applied
the
wrong
calculation
for
parking
requirements.
In
fact,
they
required
too
few
we've
seen
an
Overland
overlay
of
what's
going
on
here.
To
put
it
in
perspective,
why
we
need
to
consider
these
three
other
all
three
uses,
because
they're
all
intertwined,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
car
sales
is
the
applicable
application
here.
The
Jason
2df
shed
displays
and
to
the
South
is
the
500
pound
gorilla
in
the
room?
R
That's
the
Fast
Lanes,
that
is
an
indoor
go-kart
recreation
facility
and
they
are
all
vying
for
the
same
area
for
parking
space.
This
has
become
a
congested
squozen
area
for
parking
and
it
must
be
considered
at
this
point.
I
want
to
show
you
for
Fun
Zone
that
they,
this
is
not
just
a
rumor.
Has
it
on
the
street.
This
is
formal.
Action
has
been
taken
note
here.
R
All
the
applications
for
various
permits
by
Fastlane
I
can't
fit
in
on
one
slide:
there's
been
and
they've
all
been
issued
or
are
ready
to
go
and
I
want
to
draw
the
commission's
attention
to
the
final
one
here.
A
building
permit
is
ready,
they're
waiting
in
the
wings
and
they
have
to
be
considered
together
tonight,
where
we
view
this
in
isolation,
it's
going
to
create
a
log,
Jam
and
bigger
issues
down
the
road.
So
it's
incumbent
upon
the
commission
and
all
of
us
here
to
really
look
at
this
holistically
and
per
code.
R
You
can
consider
all
the
relevant
evidence
you
need
in
making
this
decision
tonight.
It's
not
out
of
the
picture,
as
noted
before
this
is
an
imminent
act.
They
are
anxious
to
start
they're
behind
schedule.
Obviously
it
was
supposed
to
come
in
2022.,
so
this
is
really
waiting
in
the
wings
note
here.
This
is
without
Fast
Lanes
in
place.
You
can
see.
The
parking
lot
is
already
fairly
full
note
there
on
the
far
left
side
of
the
screen.
R
You
can
see
a
little
clip
of
a
shed
I
want
to
give
a
bird's
eye
view
of
what's
Happening
Here
and
why
it
is
such
an
issue.
What
you
see
highlighted
here
in
yellow
this
is
the
second
project.
So
I've
mentioned
Fun
Zone,
that's
the
other
one
swirling
waiting
in
the
wings.
You
also
have
a
CCC
application.
Force
shed
displays
they've
submitted
all
their
materials
for
it.
In
fact,
its
number
is
the
one
right
after
this
and
it's
waiting
in
the
wings
as
well.
R
You
can
see
that
these
sheds
are
occupying
no
less
than
20
stalls
and
particularly
the
ones
you
see
on
the
left.
Bert
McDowell
will
give
you
a
better
picture
of
how
this
has
affected
his
business
I'll.
Let
him
do
that,
but
I
just
want
to
note
here
of
how
this
is
encroaching
and
squeezing
him
out.
In
competition
with
many
other
tenants
in
the
shopping
center
and
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
thank
you.
There
is
a
underlying
private
use
restriction
agreement
and
we
get
that.
R
R
You
have
people
parking
in
the
drive
aisles
to
examine
these
sheds.
It's
causing
congestion.
It
creates
potential
safety
hazards
as
formerly
visible,
dry
vials
with
cars,
not
quite
as
tall
as
storage
sheds
for
visibility.
Now
you're
blinded
and
this
creates
a
whole
mess
that
we
are
trying
to
sort
out
and
I
want
the
commission
to
know
that
in
good
faith.
My
client
is
working
this
out.
R
We
are
trying
our
best
on
the
private
matter,
but
we
have
to
defend
and
preserve
their
rights
and
that's
why
we're
here
tonight
so
the
parking
requirements,
how
you
would
get
to
this
number
of
321.
That
seems
to
be
the
magic
number
here
tonight,
is
calculate
off
a
total
square
footage
noted
here
in
yellow.
This
is
the
applicants
Parcels
that
they
own
collectively
at
69,
000
and
change.
First
total
square
footage,
however,
in
it
like,
as
I
mentioned,
the
evidence
before
you
on
page
32
and
33
of
of
your
packet.
R
It
shows
a
a
recent
survey
and
from
that
there's
only
222
existing
stalls,
you've
heard
from
the
applicant's
materials
that
they
claim
that
they
have
231
parking
spaces
I
want
to
park
on
this
slide
and
focus
your
attention
here
to
your
right
note
here
this,
the
the
diagram
they've
submitted
at
the
bottom
you'll
see
that
proposed
car
lot
and
sheds
is
blanked
out.
It
is
occupying
those
stalls.
It
says,
however,
that
they
have
231
parking
spaces
and
that's
without
or
not
including
the
proposed
car
lot
and
the
sheds.
R
However,
we
have
a
survey
as
I
mentioned
recent
survey
that
shows
that
without
the
sheds
in
place,
without
the
cars
occupying
these
stalls,
there's
actually
only
222.
That
is
a
massive
chasm
in
terms
of
calculating
parking
numbers
and
I
need.
We
need
to
bring
this
to
the
commission's
attention
that
it
is
not
just
a
straight
up
231,
they
check
all
the
boxes
and
that's
why
we're
here
tonight
the
city
as
I
mentioned
at
my
third
Point
incorrectly,
calculated
to
231.
R
In
fact,
it's
too
few
and
here's
why
the
city
takes
the
stance
that
it
kind
of
neutralizes
all
the
uses
in
that
shopping
center
and
generally
labels
them
as
retail.
Just
a
generic
label
is
retail.
The
parking
requirements
for
that
are
300
square
feet
requires
one
parking
stall.
R
That's
how
we
get
the
231,
as
I
mentioned.
There's
only
222
take
away
the
32
spaces
that
the
car
sales
would
occupy.
Take
away
the
20
for
the
sheds,
which
is
right
behind
this.
In
its
application,
we
get
to
170
effective,
available
parking
spaces
to
further
constrain
the
situation
that
doesn't
even
take
into
consideration
that
there
needs
to
be
seven
Ada
spaces,
one
of
which
is
for
a
van
and
those
require
a
lot
more
feet.
Second,
there
has
to
be
loading
spaces.
Those
can't
occupy
parking
and
there
needs
to
be
23
covered
biking
spaces.
R
I
would
note
the
correct
calculation
is
found
on
this
slide.
This
whole
application
has
to
be
considered
in
all
three
levels:
the
cars
the
shed
and
fast
lane.
That
would
be
an
indoor
recreation
use,
as
defined
in
your
code
under
that
calculation
and
we're
being
favorable
here.
I
mentioned
on
that
slide,
a
few
back
that
there's
52
646
square
feet.
R
If
you
were
to
partition
that
down
and
pare
it
down
to
where
the
go-karts
actually
would
go,
it's
38
107
square
feet,
so
that's
being
even
generous
to
the
applicant,
applying
the
correct
use,
not
just
the
generic
one-size-fits
all,
but
actually
applying
the
the
exact
code
use
of
indoor
Recreation
we
get
to
381
required
parking
stalls.
Again
you
got
to
subtract
off
the
top
32
for
the
cars
24
of
the
sheds,
again
you're
at
170.
That's
a
delta
or
difference
of
211..
R
This
is
substantial.
Indoor
Recreation
requires
for
every
100
square
feet.
There
is
one
parking
stall
and
for
obvious
reasons,
this
is
in
your
code.
For
obvious
reasons,
this
is
a
more
intense
use.
You're
going
to
see
this
Spike
you're
going
to
see
large
parties
come
there,
and
it's
really
putting
a
squeeze
on
the
property.
We're
not
asking
you
to
solve
a
private
dispute,
we're
asking
the
city
to
actually
apply
what's
in
its
code
rather
than
a
generic
use
designation,
it
needs
to
be
what
it
actually
is,
and
we
can't
ignore
these
other
two
applications.
R
T
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Bradley
Gorge.
My
address
is
16485
Orchard
Avenue,
Caldwell
Idaho,
eight
three,
seven
607
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
Fairfield
Fun
Zone
incorporates
zoning
certificate.
Czc22
348.
T
This
zoning's
typically
has
been
appealed
for
three
reasons
on
the
application
you
guys
will
will
be
able
to
see
that
a
private
party
declaration
prohibits
Auto
Sales
anywhere
in
the
shopping
center.
Number
two
reason
was
the
private
party
declaration
for
him.
It's
Auto
Sales
in
a
in
the
proposed
location,
which
I
think
you
can
combine
into
one
application
and
the
third
one
the
application
can.
The
applicant
cannot
satisfy
the
parking
requirements
of
this
project.
T
T
In
fact,
if
you
dig
into
that,
that
and
I
know
that
you
guys
aren't
it's
a
part
of
the
part
you're
not
interested
in,
but
the
appealing
party
is
in
violation
of
multiple
provisions
of
this
declaration
that
they
fail
to
address
when
they
they
you
know,
did
the
appeal
so
I
do
understand
that
the
city
of
Boise
has
no
authority
to
enforce
private
agreements
and
and
I
appreciate
that
for
sure.
T
The
third
reason
applicant
cannot
satisfy
parking
requirements.
I
will
dispel
that
statement.
With
the
little
background
of
the
Fairview
Fun
Zone
Incorporated
Fairview
Fun
Zone
Incorporated
purchase
the
Mid
Valley
Shopping
Center
in
January
of
21.,
with
the
goal
of
renovating
and
improving
the
property.
T
T
Part
of
our
updating
consists
of
having
an
additional
business
use
across
the
property
for
their
prosperity.
We
approached
Eddie
Christiansen
owner
of
the
Instant
Equity
Auto,
about
expanding
his
dealership.
That
would
allow
more
Fairview
Frontage
for
him
to
display
his
fine
automobiles
he
expanded
in
early
21..
T
When,
when
we
were
approached
and
made
aware
by
code
enforcement
that
we
were
in
violation,
we
immediately
contacted
planning
and
zoning
and
started
the
process
to
you
know
to
obtain
the
correct
documentation,
because
we
definitely
want
to
be
in
compliance
with
city
codes
for
sure.
T
It
has
been
an
awesome
education,
to
say
the
least.
For
me,
as
a
you
know,
I
would
never
owned
a
property
like
this
before
so
so
you
know
big
learning,
curve
and
I
want
to
put
a
handout
for
the
planning,
the
planning
and
zoning
people
who
are
very
patient
with
me,
and
they
they
gave
me
a
lot
of
great
input
and
advice
and
kind
of
helped
me
muddle
through
the
process,
so
we
did
finally
get
the
application
put
in
and
it
did
come
back
approved,
which
then
the
reason
we're
here
today
is.
T
You
know
that
appellant
doesn't
want
us
to
to
improve
the
property
I
guess
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
on
that
to
me,
but
I'm,
assuming
that
you've
all
looked
at
the
application
that
we
have
submitted,
and
you
know
the
conclusion
of
the
planning
team
that
to
denial,
appeal
and
uphold
the
approval
of
C
Z2
2
348.
T
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
background
on
the
go-kart
track
that
they,
you
know,
brought
to
the
attention
of
you
guys.
I
know
it's
not
the
reason
we're
here,
but
I
feel
compelled
to
kind
of
give
you
a
little
background
on
that.
Well,
when
well
I'll.
Actually,
let
me
finish
here
when
a
fairy
Fun
Zone
purchased
a
property,
it
was
at
56
occupancy.
Today
the
property
is
at
100
occupancy.
T
The
is
good
for
the
city
of
Boise
and
it's
also
good
for
the
the
neighbors
around
the
facility,
our
largest
tenant
Xanax
Incorporated,
owns
and
operates.
Fast
Lane
indoor
car
racing
Xanax
is
currently
renovating
and
upgrading
38
000
square
foot
with
plans
to
ship
their
current
operation
to
the
fair
Fairview
location.
T
Fast
Lane
indoor
car
racing
has
been
in
business
in
Boise
Idaho
for
over
20
years.
We
have
a
great
track
record.
We
have
no
we've
had
no
issues.
In
fact,
the
current
location
is
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
Franklin
and
Cloverdale.
There
are
approximately
51
parking
spaces
available
for
the
35
000
square
feet
that
we
occupy
in
that
building.
T
Now,
if
you
equate
the
parking
spaces
per
square
foot,
this
equates
to
one
per
every
700.
We
have
one
parking
space
for
every
700
square
feet
of
available.
Space
to
us
seems
like
a
pretty
high
number
where,
because
one
for
300
is
a
pretty
good
Norm
for,
for
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
that's
what
we
use
in
our
calculations.
T
Well,
let
me
explain
the
operation
better,
so
you
can
understand
why
parking
won't
be
a
problem
at
the
new
location
for
those
of
you
who
have
never
visited
our
location,
which,
maybe
hopefully
you
all
have
been
there
fast
lane-
provides
their
patrons
of
all
ages,
opportunity
to
race,
high
performance
go-karts
indoors
in
a
safety
themed
environment,
the
racetrack
itself
uses
over
20
25
000
square
feet
of
Total
Space,
but
at
any
single
time
during
the
operation,
there
are
never
more
than
25
individuals
in
this
25
000
square
feet
for
safety
reasons.
T
We
limit
the
amount
of
carts
on
the
track
to
10
at
a
time.
So
that's
only
10..
In
the
background,
there
can
either
be
10
extra
people
that
are
either
on
the
track
or
they're
getting
in
their
cars,
getting
ready
to
be
on
the
track.
We
also
have
five
up
to
five
Personnel.
You
know
providing
safety
for
these
patrons,
so
keep
in
mind.
The
numbers
25
people
in
25
000
square
feet
is
all
it
will
ever
use
the
majority
of
this
location.
T
Average
consumer
stays
approximately
an
hour
during
the
visit
fast
lane
is
open,
10
hours
a
day
with
the
busiest
times
from
5
to
10
pm
at
night,
when
most
other
businesses
are
closed.
So,
even
if
there
was
an
issue
perceived
that
it's
it's
not
there,
the
business
model
will
stay
the
same
at
the
new
location.
We
don't
plan
on
changing
anything.
We
just
had
an
opportunity
to
purchase
a
piece
of
property,
renovate
it
and
make
things
better
for
people
of
the
city
of
Boise.
T
In
closing
I'd
like
to
just
State
one
fact
you
know,
Fairview
Fun
Zone
provides
more
parking
than
required
and
in
my
do,
I
get
a
rebuttal
or
not.
You
will
yeah.
In
my
rebuttal
I'll
put
together.
Some
numbers.
I
wasn't
prepared
for
for
the
numbers
that
they
showed,
but
in
their
one
parking
list
survey
it
was
a
land
survey
that
was
done
prior
to
our
purchasing
the
building.
It's
actually
a
requirement
that
we
required
to
have
a
purchase.
T
The
numbers
are
flawed
in
that
I
had
it
revised
got
the
copy
this
morning
and
I'll
figure
out
I
think
I
sent
it
to
Caitlyn
I.
Think
we're
gonna
be
able
to
get
on
there
in
my
rebuttal
of
to
show
what
the
real
numbers
are,
because
they
are
a
little
Mis
screwed
from
the
yeah,
the
app
the
applicant
of
the
appeal,
so
I
will
follow
up
with
that
in
my
deals,
and
thank
you
greatly
for
your
time.
Okay,
great.
D
D
J
S
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney,
the
subject
of
this
application
was
for
Auto
Sales.
When
we
looked
at
the
parking
requirements,
we
see
that
this
is
a
shopping
center,
so
we
used
the
shopping
center,
one
per
300
square
foot
calculation-
the
go-kart
use-
is
not
currently
in
there,
so
we
did
just
use
the
shopping
center
calculation.
S
S
So
you
can
see
that
they're
going
to
have
to
restripe
their
parking
lot
as
one
of
the
requirements
in
their
approval.
We
calculated
266-ish
parking
spaces
currently,
so
that
would
leave
them
more
than
30,
more
than
what's
necessary
for
the
existing
shopping
center.
If
they
do
introduce
additional
uses
in
the
future,
we
would
be
reevaluating
the
parking,
but
that's
not
part
of
this
application.
S
S
Mr
chair,
commissioner
finbrock,
it
looks
like
there
are
some
permits
where
they've
started,
some
building
permit
work
that
has
not
come
across
planning
yet
so
we
have
not
evaluated
the
go-karts
so.
U
U
G
E
All
right,
Mr
chairman,
oh
sorry,
commissioner,
so
just
to
be
clear,
Caitlyn,
so
so
the
whole
question
of
how
much
parking
the
whole
argument
he
put
forward
about
the
parking
requirements
for
a
go
card
operation
are
different
than
I,
don't
know
a
theater
or
whatever,
whatever
the
code
is
sort
of
contemplating,
that
would
all
be
considered
once
we
have
the
Fun
Zone
application
once
the
city
gets
it
so
procedurally,
I
think
is
that
is
that
what
you're
saying.
S
D
D
Okay
check
in
well,
you
guys
get
you'll
get
rebuttal.
D
Okay,
we'll
move
right
along
into
rebuttal,
then
so
up
first
for
rebuttal
is
the
applicant,
so
Mr
gringe
you're
up
first
for
rebuttal,
then
the
appellant
would
come
up
for
rebuttal.
So
you
could
rebut
yourself
here.
G
D
T
Service,
what
I
would
like
is
the
one
that
was
the
survey
yeah
the
land
survey,
because
that's
I
was
looking
over
this.
You
know
trying
to
prepare
what
we're
talking
about
and
I
did
pull
up
the
survey
that
was
done
and
and
I
immediately
called
the
surveyor
that
was
well
here.
T
From
Tilly
surveying,
didn't
it
and
I
had
an
appointment,
went
over
and
talked
with
Mr
Tilly
about
about
it,
and
he
was
scratching
his
head
quite
a
bit
because
it
seems
that
he
had
transposed
earlier.
You
heard
testimony
that
there
was
an
actuality,
only
222
spaces
on
property
and
he
was
scratching
his
head
and
his
calculations
got
transposed.
There
was
22
222
that
were
necessary
out
of
his
original
one
said
255.
so
follow.
T
T
You
know
one
car
parking
per
300
square
feet:
oh
there
you
go
there
there
it
is,
he
got
it
transposed
back.
So
now
required
is
222
for
amount
of
square
footage.
We
have
in
actuality
existing,
he
shows
his
270
and
he
actually
missed
five
or
six
other
ones
that
he
had
missed
prior
to
so
I
plan
on
getting
that
revised
as
well.
So
the
number
will
creep
up
a
little
bit
even
more
so
we
are
very
close
to
I
mean
in
my
calculations
were
over.
T
If
we
use
the
same
calculations
now
I
know
there,
there's
a
a
her
statement
of
that.
There's
going
to
be
big
parties
in
that
and
I
think
I
kind
of.
Let
you
guys
know
that
you
know
our
current
operation
is
we
don't
have
large
volumes
of
automobiles
parking
for
our
establishment.
I
do
understand
that
we
have
other
tenants
in
the
building.
Most
of
their
uses,
I
think
would
fall
under
the
the
One
Carpet
300.
So
that's
why
we
just
kind
of
stuck
to
that
number
even
for
ourselves.
T
I
anticipate
that
we'll
probably
have
to
do
a
parking
lot
study
when
we
get
ready
to
you
know
get
our
our
fast
lane
occupancy
permit
done
so
I'll
probably
get
started
on
that
because
we'll
be
able
to
do
it
in
our
current
location.
It'll
be
super
easy
we've
been
there
20
years,
it'll
be
pretty
easy
to
kind
of
figure
out
exactly
what
the
parking
requirements
you
know
we
should
expect
at
the
new
one.
T
I
think
that's
about
all.
I
have
okay.
G
R
That'll
be
helpful
that
bird
appear
in
case
any
questions
would
be
directed
to
him
and
he
can
speak
more
to
the
day-to-day
impact.
Just
a
few
notes,
Here
on
rebuttal,
I
think
the
applicant's
testimony
and
their
rebuttal
just
confirms
that
really
all
three
of
these
should
come
up
together.
There's
a
lot
of
intertwined
Parts
they're,
all
swirling
together,
and
there
can
be
an
unattended
domino
effect
that
could
just
make
this
more
of
a
mess.
R
We
we
appreciate
that
they're
willing
to
improve
the
shopping
center.
Burt
can
talk
to
that
and
we're
trying
to
do
that
on
the
private
Lane,
but
there's
also
a
public
facing
Lane
before
you
tonight
with
rights
on
the
line
that
we
have
to
preserve.
Second
point:
the
parking
study
I
think
goes
into
that
same
argument
that
we
need
to
see
all
three
of
these
together
with
a
verified
study.
R
If
that
could
be
pulled
up
again,
Caitlyn
I
just
want
to
draw
the
commission's
attention
to
it
to
clarify
the
column
on
the
left
was
prepared
by
the
surveyor
as
his
best
estimation,
essentially
of
a
legal
conclusion.
What
would
be
required
per
code?
That's
what
the
left
is.
That's
not
saying
that's
how
many
spaces
physical
spaces
are
available.
The
right
column
states
that
that's
what's
existing,
so
the
commission
should
just
regard
the
252.
R
The
real
number
here
is
222
for
existing
and,
as
we
stated
in
our
presentation,
381
should
be
the
ultimate
number,
knowing
that
all
three
of
these
uses
they
are
hooked
line
and
sink
are
together.
They
are
inex,
they're
inextricable
from
one
another
and
I
I
guess
the
cat.
Just
in
one
phrase,
this
is
trying
to
put
20
pounds
in
a
10
pound
bag.
H
Thank
you,
oh
thank
you,
I'm
Bert
McDowell,
and
we
have
a
little
shop
up
here
on
Fairview.
We
repair,
vinyl,
leather,
hard,
plastic
and
fabric,
wherever
it's
found
that
you
know
any
kind
of
everywhere
and
we
have
a
fleet
of
vehicles.
We
also
have
the
shop
location.
We
bought
that
in
2014
we've
been
operating
out
of
it.
After
renovating
the
service
drive,
it
used
to
be
a
bank
and
putting
on
an
addition
on
the
south
side
and
and
we're
Lord's
good
to
us.
H
We've
been
growing
and
more
more
people
have
been
coming
and
using
our
services
and
we've
been
utilizing.
We
don't
have.
We
have
a
front
door
going
towards
the
mall
and
a
back
door
going
towards
where
the
sheds
are
we're
getting
squeezed.
We,
our
customers,
are
competing
with
the
there's
two
grocery
stores:
a
hair,
Barber
Shop,
a
skateboard
plate,
retail
and
a
pretty
popular
gym
that
takes
up
about
half
of
that
spun.
H
We're
we're
all
contending
for
these
47
spaces
that
are
in
front
of
our
place.
Now,
with
reducing
the
common
and
and
believe
me
I
love.
Seeing
these
small
are
the
businesses
you
know
prospering,
but
what
I
am
fearful
for
is
now
taking
away
I
have
a
different
calculation,
I
think
there's
68
spaces
lost,
but
if
it's
52
whatever
between
those
areas,
now
we're
getting
down
to
well
the
Sabers
parking,
the
customers
are
already
parking
over
in
front
of
our
place.
So
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
it's
it's
getting
too
congested.
H
R
So
thanks,
I
might
just
add
the
number
266
that
we've
heard
tonight
from
city.
That's
a
number
a
first
impression,
and
that's
that's
fine,
we're
working
through
this
as
best
we
can,
even
with
that,
the
conditions
that
are
on
this
already
require
that
parking
space
is
occupied
by
a
car
cannot
be
counted.
There's
no
reason
to
think
that's
not
going
to
be
the
same
on
the
sheds,
so
you
got
to
shave
that
off
the
top,
even
with
266,
you
shave
those
off.
R
D
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead:
it
does
it
for
our
testimony
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision
again.
This
is
ccc22
Dash
348.
U
D
U
Mr
chair,
please
just
a
couple
points:
Auto
Sales
are
allowed
in
the
c2d
zone.
I
know
that
came
up
and
I
don't
know
if
it
was
public
comment
in
our
packets
or
out
here,
but
it
isn't
allowed
use
and
the
private
owners
agreement
cannot
be
considered
as
Authority,
at
least
for
Planning
and
Zoning.
So
I
think
anything
that
you
know.
Maybe
that's
a
remedy
that
you
know
these.
U
The
applicant
and
the
appellant
can
take
into
consideration
outside
of
this
form,
but
as
far
as
the
parking,
the
city
calculated
parking
for
the
code
based
on
the
current
application
and
the
conditions
in
front
of
them,
and
so
it's
it's
not,
it
doesn't
take
into
consideration.
You
know
potential
or
future
uses.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
numbers
for
the
current
uses
and
I
think.
For
that
reason
we
should
deny
the
appeal.
N
N
Clearly,
there's
been
another
parking
survey
and
based
on
the
evidence
in
front
of
us,
this
is
I
believe
we
need
to
deny
the
appeal
so
with
that
I'll
be
second,
obviously
seconding.
The
motion
on
that
okay,.
E
I
think
the
fundamental
sort
of
foundational
or
philosophical
question
here
is
in
hearing
this
particular
application.
How
do
we
think
about
what
what
is
allegedly
coming
down
the
road
and
the
argument
was
made
by
the
appellant
that
you
know?
We
should
rightfully
consider
that
I'm
not
here
to
say
whether
or
not
we
can
in
a
legal
sense,
because
James
gets
nervous
when
we
we
make
those
kind
of
blanket
statements.
E
I
think
the
time
to
do
that
is
when
that
application
is
submitted,
and
so
I
understand
the
appellants
concerns
I,
just
I
just
think
the
timing
is
a
little
off
that
that
issue
per
se
is
not
before
us
yet,
and
so
in
particular,
what
that
means
technically
is
I
agree
with
the
way
the
city
treated
the
parking
calculation
as
a
whole,
and
it
may
change
it.
May
not
I
I
assume.
E
You
know
we're
going
to
have
a
hearing
and
debate
whether
a
go-kart
application
is
more
or
less
parking
intensive
than
say
a
theater
or
whatever,
whatever
the
1
in
100
standard
is,
and
the
appropriate
place
to
do.
That
is
when
we
have
a
go-kart
application,
which
we
don't
have
so
I'll,
be
voting
in
support
of
the
motion.
E
O
D
D
Know
at
some
point,
I
think
the
landlord
the
private
agreement,
the
landlord
has
to
be
realistic
about
the
number
of
stalls
they
have
on
this
property
and
that
the
uses
that
are
appropriate
there
code
is
one
thing.
The
private
Agreements
are
another
which
we
can't
get
involved
with.
So
I
also
will
be
supporting
the
motion,
and
you
know:
should
we
see
this
again
in
the
future?
We
will
reevaluate
at
that
time
regarding
all
the
various
uses
that
are
on
the
property,
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
again.
D
D
O
D
Thank
you
all
right.
G
D
D
L
L
The
proposed
minorland
division
would
establish
three
New
Lots
to
the
east
of
the
existing
home
and
was
approved
January
13
2023
on
January
23
2023.
An
appeal
was
filed
by
14
neighbors
with
32
grounds
of
appeal.
These
concerns
have
been
Consolidated
and
are
summarized
on
your
screen.
This
presentation
will
briefly
address
these
concerns.
L
As
a
subject,
property
is
located
within
the
r1c
Zone.
Compliance
with
this
Zone's
dimensional
standards
are
required.
The
newly
proposed
interior
lots
are
approximately
7
000
square
feet
where
a
minimum
of
5
000
square
feet
is
required.
Additionally.
The
proposed
Street
Frontage
is
an
average
lot
widths
of
the
newly
proposed
Lots
either
meet
or
exceed
the
minimum
requirements
of
the
r1c
zone.
L
This
has
been
incorporated
into
the
into
the
design
of
the
project,
which
shows
a
future
dedication
of
right
away
from
the
westernmost
law.
Additionally,
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk
will
be
installed
along
both
Street
Furniture
frontages.
As
a
standard
conditioner
of
approval
for
minoland
divisions,
the
sidewalk
along
Cloverdale
will
be
detached
as
per
achd's
construction
plans.
This
will
enhance
the
safety
at
the
intersection
by
more
clearly
defining
and
separating
the
spaces
intended
for
cars
and
pedestrians,
thereby
reducing
the
frequency
of
conflicts
between
the
two.
L
G
D
D
D
D
D
V
For
the
record,
I'm
r,
r
Angela
Foss
12101
West
Peconic
Drive
Boise
Idaho
83709,
okay,
yeah.
V
First,
our
intentions
are
not
to
stop
the
applicant
from
building
the
property.
We
are
here
to
make
a
win-win
situation.
I
noticed
the
city's
version
is
creating
a
city
for
everyone.
We
feel
that
this
is
contributing
to
the
applicant's
vision
only
and
not
considering
ours
at
all.
The
city's
mission
in
Canton
speaks
of
everyone
that
includes
innovating
and
investing
to
protect
our
environment,
ensuring
a
thriving
local
economy
that
benefits
all
one
city.
One
team
for
the
greatest
good
Community
experience
with
wow
there's
nothing.
V
It's
recommended
that
the
appeal
Beach
tonight
from
four
letters
before
we
ever
met
at
City,
Hall,
so
I'm
here
to
present
safety
issues,
Mr
Kenyon
I
wanted
to
develop.
Her
I
wondered
if
he
did
not
notice
the
fact
that
there
was
no
parking
on
Peconic
regarding
these
places.
There's
only
parking
for
maybe
one
car,
except
for
the
people
that
live
in
the
homes
excuse
my
voice,
I,
it's
difficult
to
speak
and
the
rest
of
the
parking
would
be
outside
of
the
property
infringing
on
the
neighborhood
property
and
then
I
asked
him.
V
V
Sitting
next
to
Ms
White
Wanted,
the
original
plan
duplexes
that
he
could
retire
and
make
money
with
the
upkeep
of
the
duplicate
duplexes.
Therefore
it
would
be
nice
to
know
if
the
new
plans
indicate
indicate
single
family
homes
or
are
they
rental?
Why
does
that
matter?
V
Okay,
confidence
and
Trust
I've
lived
here
and
I've
seen
four
houses
on
a
corner,
but
it's
at
3
A.M,
one
at
three
am
jumping
over
the
fence
for
the
of
an
April
I've
seen
two
houses,
two
house
fires:
none
affected,
Mr,
cauley's
home
that
was
rented
before
he
bought
the
property,
where
the
printers,
where
the
renters
were
growing
pot
in
the
attic
and
left
an
unattached
toilet
full
of
feces
in
it
in
the
shot,
I've
seen
armed
officer
threatening
to
break
down
the
door
at
the
applicant's
home
because
of
the
lack
of
care
of
their
property,
constantly
piling
of
gardening
bubble
and
three
tree
limbs.
V
The
mattresses
outside
were
before
the
23rd
of
July
2021.
When
this
all
began,
potatoes
dumped
on
the
side
left
to
rot
Mrs
Bell-
that's
here
with
us
tonight
and
Gathering
people
to
cut
up
the
branches
of
a
tree
that
had
fallen
straight,
the
applicant
blocking
the
mothers
to
park
when
they're
waiting
for
their
children
to
get
off
the
bus
to
come
across
the
busy
road
of
Cloverdale
and
the
African
stereos
barking
all
the
way
down
the
street
with
no
restraint.
While
she
was
walking
them.
V
I
have
no
confidence
that
they
would
take
care
of
the
property
if
they
rent
no
and
also
there's
no
homes
on
Victory
to
Murray
Ridge
that
have
been
built
on
the
back
property
safety.
We
expect
more
pollution
of
the
Big
Trees
33
come
down
with
an
increase
of
carbon
emissions.
It
will
be
20
years
before
the
new
Young
trees
can
provide
the
same
amount
of
CO2
removal.
Plus
our
neighbors
are
changing.
We
have
new
families
coming
into
our
neighborhood
again.
V
If
these
children
have,
if
these
neighbors
have
young
children,
their
safety
concerns
are
on
the
corner
of
the
street
with
excess
assets,
traffic
fire,
the
fire
I
was
a
Red
Cross
volunteer
of
great
Idaho.
For
five
years,
I
expect
I
experience
the
results
of
Home
Fires
after
a
fire
in
the
crown
neighborhoods
I
read
about
it
then
verified
with
Meridian
fire
departments
that
would
cover
the
neighborhoods.
V
In
other
words,
these
homes,
like
new
homes,
are
built
without
the
same
consistency
that
old
homes
have
and
the
fire
department
would
have
difficulty
getting
into
these
homes
and
a
fire
alarm
may
be
active
in
the
fire
dwelling,
but
it
will
not
transmit
to
adjoining
buildings.
Therefore,
we're
concerned
about
our
neighbor,
who
might
have
flammable
materials
in
his
shop.
W
W
W
Safety
on
Peconic
Drive
is
a
real
issue.
To
begin
with,
Peconic
is
a
very,
very
narrow
road.
W
W
If
you
have
extended
family
living
in
those
homes
up
to
five
non-related
relatives
that
the
Boise
City
allows
to
live
in
homes
like
that
you're
going
to
have
street
parking,
that's
going
to
be
unreal
and
if
they
develop
the
same
property
on
the
opposite
side
of
Peconic
is
they're.
Going
to
this,
this
particular
property
you're
going
to
have
permanent
off
on
street
parking.
That's
going
to
restrict
that
flow
down.
You
can't
hardly
get
down
Peconic
now
when
there's
two
cars
parked
on
both
sides
of
it
right
now.
W
If
you
drive
a
larger
vehicle,
you
have
to
stop
and
wait
for
the
cars
to
pass
you
when
you
pass
like
this.
Two
cars
cannot
pass
each
other,
and
this
is
gonna.
This
is
going
to
compound
it.
Another
thing
is:
is
we're
considering
asking
for
a
bike
lane
there
that
will
do
away
with
the
parking
along
there?
Where
are
the
cars
going
to
go?
Is
my
question:
where
are
they
going
to
go
further
into
the
subdivision?
W
You
can't
you
can't
make
it
safer
by
crowding
it
up,
and
this
is
right,
where
everybody's
trying
to
Ingress
and
egress
on
on
and
off
of
Cloverdale
Road
and
it's
a
bottleneck
now,
but
at
least
they
have
two,
they
have
no
sidewalk,
so
you
can
actually
drive
on
the
dirt
a
little
bit
to
get
by
each
other.
In
that.
Thank
you.
D
D
All
right
next,
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
C
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
my
name
is
Brian
mcnielis
I
reside
at
2830,
South
Cloverdale,
Road,
Boise,
Idaho,
83709
I
will
address
each
of
these
four
issues
raised
as
the
grounds
for
a
Spiel
are
listed
on
the
application
for
the
appeal
number
one:
the
increase
of
traffic
on
Peconic
and
Cloverdale
roads,
Cloverdale
Road,
is
scheduled
to
expand
to
five
Lanes
in
2025..
The
Ada
County
highway
department
is
in
the
process
of
purchasing
right-of-ways.
C
Now
Peconic
is
bit
one
of
several
main
routes
to
and
from
the
neighborhood,
which
includes
connections
to
Overland,
Cloverdale,
Victory
and
Five
Mile
roads.
The
access
is
really
good.
They
don't
have
to
access
Cloverdale
Road
through
poconic
number,
two,
the
neighborhood
character
change
due
to
lot
size.
The
zoning
allows
for
up
to
eight
Lots
per
acre.
Our
project
is
four
Lots.
C
Cloverdale
property
is
not
and
has
never
been
associated
with
any
subdivision
in
the
area.
My
family
has
owned
and
resided
at
this
residence
since
1970.
before
any
subdivisions
existed
and
when
coconic
was
just
a
little
irrigation
road
that
farmers
used
to
access
their
property.
Excuse
me
number
three:
the
unsafe
parking
and
traffic
flows.
There
is
no
evidence
supporting
this
claim.
C
Furthermore,
we
have
met
the
guidelines
is
required
by
city
code
for
parking
number
four
safety
issues:
okay,
this
is
total
conjecture
and
speculation,
and
and
I
find
it
offensive
that
new
homeowners
are
being
characterized
as
drug
users
and
thieves
with
delinquent
children.
Simply
on
unfounded
and
unrealistic
to
make
that
claim,
we
have
followed
successfully
the
Boise
City
guidelines
and
laws
of
ordinances
set
forth
by
defending
his
own
information.
The
appeal
is
based
entirely
on
speculation
and
feelings,
not
facts.
C
The
great
state
of
Idaho,
and
especially
our
city
of
Boise,
needs
new
homes
for
its
continual
continued
growth.
This
project
provides
these
homes
by
St,
while
staying
within
the
approved
regulations
and
high
standards
we
all
enjoy
over
about
our
lives
in
Idaho.
We
therefore
urge
the
commission
to
divide
appeal
and
approve
the
project
to
continue.
M
Hi
good
evening,
Leslie
white,
2830,
South,
Cloverdale,
Road
I
just
would
hope
that
you
would
deny
their
appeal.
I've
worked
closely
with
the
city
planning
and
zoning
and
we've
followed
all
their
recommendations.
We
meet
the
code.
Our
lots
are
oversized.
There
are
seven
thousand
square
feet
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
nice
addition
for
three
families
to
have
a
nice
home
in
the
Boise
area.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Yeah.
D
X
Good
evening
my
name
is
Tanya
cluff
and
I'm,
with
Southwest
Ada
County
Alliance,
my
address
is
10800
West
Smoke,
Ranch,
Drive,
Southwest
data
County
Alliance
opposes
opposes
this
infill.
X
The
parcel
is
located
on
a
mature
or
on
a
visible
and
mature
intersection.
That's
very
bit.
That's
very
busy
and
surrounded
by
half
acre
and
one
acre
lots.
Our
main
concern
is
compatibility
with
the
surrounding
area.
X
Someone
brought
up
the
concern
about
the
loss
of
trees
from
33
to
12.
I
thought
that
was
very
interesting
because
I
don't
know
what
trees
are
listed
as
desirable,
undesirable,
I
thought
all
trees
were
valued,
especially
in
the
rural
area
that
we
live
in,
see
I'm
concerned
about
the
compatibility
of
the
the
style
of
houses.
X
We
would
be
okay
with
splitting
the
lot
into
two
lots
that
way
it's
compatible
with
the
half
acre
and
acre
lots,
but
squeezing
in
three
more
little
skinny
houses
is
going
to
look
hodgepodge
well
I'm
concerned
about
the
way
the
the
city
is
handling
the
infill
they're,
not
worried
about
the
the
appearance
of
these
mature
neighborhoods
and
building
things
like
this
makes
it
look
very
hodgepodge
so
I,
you
know,
I
I
suggest
that
we
like
it's
not
allow
the
the
division
into
four
Lots,
but
rather
two
thank
you.
D
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
item
back
before
the
commission
for
any
questions
of
the
appellant,
applicant
or
staff.
D
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Gillespie.
E
L
E
And
just
for
you
know
for
the
record,
so
the
proposed
this
is
just
a
lot.
The
vision
right
we're
not
actually
we
don't
have
any
plans
for
what
would
be
built
there
right.
This
is
simply
a
record
of
survey
to
to
create
three
New
Lots.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct
and
all
three
of
these
Lots
conform
to
the
r1z
r1c
requirements?
Is
that
correct.
D
Matt.
Do
we
get
any
identity
correspondence
from
achd
on
the
original
application?
Is
that
the
case
Mr.
L
D
Can
you
sorry
I
must
have
missed
that
I
apologize?
Obviously
they
were
supportive
of
the
original
application.
Are
there
any
concerns
or
unusual
conditions
placed
on
the
applicant.
L
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I'd
say
the
closest
thing.
I
to
to
an
unusual
condition
would
be
the
the
taking
into
account
the
future
dedication
of
right
away.
So
that's
something.
That's
not
seen
in
every
single
achc
agency
agency
comment
provided
by
achc
other
than
that
pretty
standard
conditions
of
installing
curb,
better
sidewalk,
and
what
what
have
you?
Okay,.
D
Okay,
great
thanks:
everybody,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
then,
and
open
up
this
item
for
public
testimony,
we'll
start
with
folks
that
are
in
person
if
you're
to
testify
on
this
item.
You'll
all
have
three
minutes
at
the
podium
here,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Podium
is
free,
so
we
can
get
started.
Y
My
name
is
Matthew
Bell
and
I
live
at
2754,
Heritage
Avenue,
which
is
in
the
subdivision.
That's
zoned
r1a.
When
I
heard
about
this
appeal
and
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
the
appeal
of
the
decision.
Y
I
did
research
and
found
out.
I
did
not
know
beforehand
that
that
law
was
zoned.
R1C
I
found
out
that
all
of
the
Lots
there
on
Cloverdale
are
zoned
r1c.
Y
All
of
the
Lots
on
Heritage
right
now
are
r1a
and
it's
my
understanding
that,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
all
the
Lots
on
Cloverdale
are
our
zoned
r1c
they're,
actually
not
that's
not
how
they're
built
there
are
no
empty
lots
there
on
Cloverdale,
there
are
no
empty
lots
in
the
subdivision,
either
they're
built
on
single-family
homes
on
approximately
one
acre
each,
and
so
even
though
it's
zoned
r1c,
the
effective
zoning
is
less
dense
than
even
our
subdivision.
Y
Y
One
of
the
objections
of
the
the
response
of
the
committee
was
to
the
objection
five
of
the
appeal
states
that
the
minor
land
division
proposes
a
similar
residential
product
to
what
currently
exists.
Y
Y
Four
houses
on
an
acre
and
which
is
it
it
fits
with
the
r1c
zoning.
But
it's
a
change.
It's
a
complete
change
from
what
exists
there
now
and
and
it's
new
there's,
no
other.
There
are
no
other
things.
It's
a
big
change!
If
someone
wants
to
change
one
house
to
four
houses
on
a
lot,
that's
a
big
change
and
all
the
houses
on
all
the
houses
on
Cloverdale,
the
r1c
zoning
applies
to
houses
on
Cloverdale.
Z
My
name
is
Kirsten
Bell
I
live
at
2754,
South,
Heritage,
Avenue
and
we've
lived
in
that
neighborhood
for
20
years
and
I
am
going
to
be
reading
the
statement
of
someone
who
could
not
be
here
due
to
work.
Thank
you
for
allowing
my
letter
to
be
read
in
my
absence.
I'm
unable
to
attend
my
husband
and
I
are
fourth
generation
boyceans.
We
believe
in
everything
that
the
city
of
Boise
provides
to
our
community
and
have
had
made
the
intentional
decision
to
remain
in
Boise
and
raise
our
family.
Z
We
value
the
neighborhood
of
our
value,
the
neighborhood
and
our
community
in
Southwest,
Boise
I
grew
up
in
this
area
and
my
husband
and
I
were
thrilled
when
we
were
able
to
purchase
our
first
home
at
Victory
in
Cloverdale
as
we
value
the
larger
lot
size
and
sense
of
community
that
the
neighborhood
has
to
offer.
Southwest
Boise
has
great
benefits
like
larger
lot
sites,
older
homes
and
mature
Landscapes
with
the
lower
population.
It
also
has
the
disadvantages
of
minimal
pedestrian
accesses,
such
as
sidewalks
walking
paths
and
big
bike
lanes
and
I.
Z
I.
Don't
think
that
the
person
who
wrote
this
letter
recognized
that
there's
going
to
be
those
changes
on
Cloverdale,
we
do
have
a
park
located
less
than
a
mile
from
our
home,
but
it's
for
children
under
the
age
of
11
and
there's
no
continuous
sidewalk
access
to
that
location.
We
have
a
library
a
mile
from
us,
but
Victory
Road
does
not
have
sidewalk,
nor
does
it
even
have
adequate
shoulders
for
walking
and
biking.
Z
This
line
of
traffic
will
be
right
in
front
of
these
new
homes
and
I
anticipate
the
traffic
will
increase
when
Cloverdale
when
the
Cloverdale
Road
Project
starts
in
a
few
years.
Sorry
yeah,
our
small
neighborhood,
simply
doesn't
have
the
road
and
sidewalks
infrastructure
to
accommodate
three
more
families,
as
I
shared
at
the
beginning
of
my
letter,
we
cherish
the
city
of
Boise
I,
respectfully,
ask
that
you
could
consider
reducing
the
number
of
homes.
Z
D
AA
AA
We've
been
a
net
positive
to
the
neighborhood
committed
to
being
good
stewards
of
the
community
and
the
lifestyle
that
so
many
of
us
enjoy,
while
living
in
a
low
density,
neighborhood
I
begins
to
propose
project
for
the
reason,
that's
related
to
density
transitioning
by
allowing
Lots
with
only
50
feet
of
Frontage
on
the
existing
Street
built
to
serve
the
larger
Parcels
within
a
one
with
an
r1a
Zone.
It
does
not
conform
to
the
city
code
mission
of
Harmon,
of
Harmony
of
transition.
Abuse
I'd
like
to
see
the
subdivision
conform
to
the
100
foot
lot.
AA
Frontage
that
currently
exists
on
Peconic
Drive
or
at
least
serve
as
an
r1b
transition
zone.
There's
precedent
for
this
transition.
Just
100.
Excuse
me
one
thousand
feet
north
of
this
proposed
project.
The
property
is
located
on
South
Heritage
Place,
our
zone
is
r1b
South
Heritage
Place
is
a
street
that
serves
as
a
transition
from
the
r1c
properties
along
Cloverdale
and
the
one
and
the
r1a
properties
to
its
East.
AA
If
I
could,
if
I
could
be
permitted
to
read
a
letter
given
to
me
by
neighbor,
actually
I
should
be
okay
in
time
this
letter
was
given
to
me
by
Joe
stenkamp
he's
a
neighbor
within
our
community
located
at
11733
West
baconic
Drive
Joe
writes
I'm
against
the
subdivision,
located
on
the
northeast
corner
of
Cloverdale
and
Peconic
drive.
As
per
City
of
Boise
zoning
code.
Chapter
11-9
Joe
cites
the
purpose
for
the
code
to
promote
the
public
health
and
safety
and
general
welfare
of
present
and
future
residents.
AA
He
also
cites
the
applicability.
The
chapter
shall
apply
uniformly
to
all
land
divisions
within
the
city
of
Boise.
However,
if
a
parcel
to
be
subdivided
is
of
such
unusual
shape
or
size
or
is
surrounded
by
such
development
or
unusual
conditions,
that
the
strict
application
of
the
regulations
of
the
chapter
would
result
in
substantial
hardship
or
inequality,
inequity,
the
commission
or
Council
May
waive
or
modify
these
regulations.
Joe
writes.
AA
An
existing
roadway
serving
different
zoning
requirements
requires
a
non-severe
transition
of
use,
r1a
should
transition
to
r1b
and
then
to
r1c
transitioning
from
high
density.
R1C
to
low
density
r1a
on
the
same
street
does
not
conform
to
the
city
code.
A
mission
of
Harmony
and
transition
abuse
pepperwood's
estate
was
not
designed
with
this
type
of
shortened
axis.
With
with
to
an
individual
lot.
The
zoning
map
included
in
the
subdivision
request
shows
that
any.
G
AA
Transition
between
r1c
and
r1a
zones
do
not
share
the
same
street
or
access
Street,
rather
the
street
that
serves
a
transition
zone
or
less
severe,
such
as
as
Mike's
Apple
South
Heritage
Place.
Jill
concludes.
I
would
like
to
see
the
French
minimum
of
the
subdivision
loss
to
conform
to
the
100
foot
lot,
Frontage
that
currently
exists
on
Peconic
drive
or
at
least
conformed
to
the
transition
of
r1b,
which
is
a
7
75
foot
minimum
Frontage.
V
This
is
David's
Connolly
appeal.
He
lives
in
the
house,
east
of
the
applicant,
he
says,
and
he
lives
at
2100
North,
pecanic
Drive,
which
is
across
from
us.
He
says
that
he
couldn't
be
Harry's
out
of
the
country.
At
the
moment
he
says
the
surrounding
Lots
average
0.545
acres
per
house.
Their
current
law
is
roughly
0.942
Acres,
as
measured
from
the
Google
Maps.
In
order
for
additional
housing
to
need
to
be
split,
they're
a
lot
in
half
would
only
be
able
to
build
one
additional
single
home.
V
He
didn't
understand
that
this
property
was
the
r1c
at
the
time.
I
would
hope-
and
you
have
this
letter
that
he
sent
I
would
be
open
to
them
building
two
additional
homes,
including
their
current
residents,
which
would
total
three
in
their
current
lot.
This
includes
their
current
toilet,
which
equally
divided
into
thirds
this,
which
we
saw
in
each
slot
having
0.34
Acres
with
only
17
of
the
area
currently
seen
on
their
surrounding
rocks
Lots.
V
So
subdividing
this
land
any
further
would
dramatically
change
the
characteristics
of
our
neighborhood,
which
has
remained
quiet
and
crime
free
over
the
duration
of
my
seven
years,
Peconic
I
am
concerned
that
the
increase
of
traffic
would
result
from
that
lot,
have
an
additional
for
dwellings
constructed
during
the
last
seven
years.
I've
not
had
the
issue
of
theft
or
any
manner
I'm
concerned
that
significant
increase
in
population
within
our
neighborhood
would
change
the
safe
and
peaceful
atmosphere
that
everybody
expects
in
this
location.
V
My
property
is
currently
adjacent
to
Lot,
4
and
I
do
not
see
sufficient
setback
between
my
property
line
and
the
construction
zone
of
the
fourth
well
I
understand.
My
name
is
designed
to
build
additional
houses.
They
have
not
once
stopped
by
my
house
to
discuss
this
matter
and
capacity.
I
feel
the
city
should
be
requiring
a
public
meeting
to
discuss
the
final
plans
before
approval
of
build
to
build.
D
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
a
check
to
make
sure
no
one
left
online.
It
looks
like
Steph.
Okay,
all
right
foul
call
for
any
in-person
testimony,
okay,
great
we'll,
go
ahead
and
wrap
up
that
piece.
Then
we'll
move
into
rebuttal
at
this
point.
So
we'll
start
with
rebuttal
first
from
that
applicant.
So
at
this
point
you
guys
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
for
any
anything
you
heard
in
the
testimony.
M
I'm
sorry
Leslie
white,
2830,
South,
Cloverdale
Road,
there
are
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
all.
The
farms
around
there
have
all
been
split
off
differently
in
different
Builders
have
come
in,
so
we
just
happened
to
be
at
the
entrance
of
several
different
subdivisions.
In
fact,
they're
all
different
lot
sizes.
M
They
go
down
the
hill,
there's
different
houses,
different,
there's,
duplexes,
there's
all
different
types
of
homes
down
there
as
well
as
they
just
did
a
split
on
Victory,
which
is
a
block
on
the
other
side
where
they
did
an
acre
and
split
it
into
several
Lots
there
as
well.
So
I,
don't
really
see
how
that
will
affect
it'll
look
nicer,
the
houses
will
be
new
and
clean
and
they'll
have
adequate
parking.
I
think
it'll
just
improve
the
neighborhood.
If
anything.
D
Okay,
good,
thank
you,
okay
and
then
next
we
have
a
rebuttal
for
the
applicants
or
sorry.
The
appellants
apologies.
W
Mark
Boss
12101
West
Peconic,
with
the
rebuttal
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
correct
the
points
that
they
didn't
tell
you
that
were
true.
First
of
all,
they
started
out
telling
us
that
Cloverdale
Road
is
going
to
be
glorious,
that
is
a
red
herring.
They
do
not
use
these
Lots
Cloverdale.
They
will
be
using
Peconic
for
Ingress
and
egress
when
these
people
that
are
in
our
subdivision
and
that
those
lots
go
west
they're
going
to
go
right
down
Peconic
onto
Cloverdale
next
thing,
that
said,
is
there's
lots
of
ways
to
get
out
of
that
subdivision.
W
W
The
applicants
here
do
not
egress
or
Ingress
off
a
Peconic
Road.
They
Ingress
and
egress
from
their
home
onto
Cloverdale
Road.
Every
other
lot,
that
is,
that
r1c
designator
from
victory
road.
All
the
way
down
to
down
to
Muir
Woods,
with
the
exception
of
the
lot
directly
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
development
will
all
if
they
develop,
will
all
have
to
Ingress
and
egress
directly
off
Cloverdale.
W
She
talks
about
the
Victory
Road
split
of
the
property.
Yes,
they
did,
but
they'd
go
directly
onto
Victory
Road,
which
is
a
section
Line
Road
just
like
Cloverdale
is
they
did
not
go
through
an
existing
neighborhood.
They
did
not
involve
any
of
the
residents
in
the
area.
They
go
directly
on
that
way.
W
If
this
is
approved,
there's
some
pretty
Stark
admissions
being
made
here.
Number
one
profit
for
the
property
owner
and
the
developer
are
more
important
than
safety
concerns
for
all
the
residents
in
the
area.
Then,
mission
number
two
safety
concerns
and
congestion
created
by
the
proposed
project
are
viewed
merely
as
inconvenience
and
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
residents
that
are
there.
W
Next
admission
modifications
cannot
be
made
because
our
lots
are
too
small.
We
can
we've
got
to
have
three,
they
could
have
less
or
they
could
again
go
on
to
Cloverdale
Road
number,
four
opinions
and
concern
of
those
who
are
impacted
by
the
project
do
not
matter
and
we're
talking
here
about
Aesthetics
and
historical
value.
Let
me
put
it
through
this
way.
W
In
so
many
words,
your
planning
staff
said
well,
Aesthetics
have
nothing
to
do
with
it,
it's
all
with
it
how
it's
zoned,
but
let
me
put
it
to
you
this
way:
historical
Aesthetics
and
precedence
only
matter
to
the
city
of
Boise,
and
we
see
this
when
Harrison
Boulevard,
the
North
End
Hay,
Street,
South,
8th
Street
and
Warm
Springs
Avenue
historical
preservation,
District
are
involved.
Thank
you.
D
K
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Danley
I
make
a
motion
that
item
Ros
22-110.
D
I
have
a
motion
to
deny
with
a
second
by
Christian
or.
G
D
Any
discussion
Mr
chairman,
please.
K
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
few
points
here,
number
one.
This
is
a
lot
split
and
a
lot
split
only
this
is
not
a
subdivision.
This
is
not
a
planned
development
which,
whatever
the
case
may
be
in
the
future
of
how
this
is
to
be
to
be
developed,
would
come
back
before
before
this
commission
for
additional
requirements,
potentially
Aesthetics,
etc,
etc.
At
this
point,
what
we
have
is
a
lot
split,
I
hear
a
lot
of
passion
on
property
rights.
That
is
precisely
what
is
being
executed
here.
K
K
They
have
that
ability
they're,
not
executing
it.
Even
to
that
point,
there's
a
50
percent
larger,
so
I
think
it's
important
to
make
sure
we
understand
that
they
have
a
right
too
and
they're
and
they're
executing
it
at
this
point.
I
want
to
talk
also
real
briefly
about
the
traffic
issue.
K
As
a
requirement
of
this
lot,
split
sidewalks
on
conic
will
be
built,
that's
a
benefit
for
getting
to
and
from
Cloverdale
now
the
claim
of
it
being
too
narrow.
Oh
as
somebody
who
deals
in
this
world,
let
me
tell
you:
I
appreciate
the
heck
out
of
it
being
narrow,
because
congestion
means
slow,
slow
means
less
deadly.
K
If
you
don't
believe
that
go
Drive,
Fairview
or
Chinden,
that's
where
fatalities
happen,
because
they
are
fast,
slow
speeds
mean
you
have
to
actually
and,
as
was
pointed
out,
some
cases
even
come
to
a
Full
Stop
once
in
a
while.
That's
a
good
thing!
That's
friction
coming
in
and
out
of
a
subdivision
and
a
bus.
Stop
that's
a
good
thing.
That
means
awareness.
That
means
not
just
passively
driving
40
miles
an
hour,
paying
attention
to
your
phone
more
than
the
road,
that's
a
good
thing.
So
in
this
instance
the
Ingress
and
egress.
K
One
last
thing
should
go
to
a
local
Road.
The
Ingress
and
egress
should
not
be
going
to
an
arterial
introducing
a
backing
in
vehicle
where
it's
not
expectation.
Otherwise,
that's
exactly
where
a
conflict
point
would
happen.
Ingress
and
egress
to
a
local
Street,
which
then
quickly
transitions
to
the
arterial
is
the
way
to
do
it.
That's
that's
the
hierarchy
of
roadway
101.
So,
for
all
of
those
reasons,
I'll
be
in
support
of
my
own
motion.
W
D
Thank
you,
commissioner,
daily
any
other
comments.
Mr.
J
It
is
completely
in
accordance
with
our
law
and
you're,
asking
us
to
not
comply
with
our
law
and
I
I.
Don't
understand
how
we
can
do
that
and
I'm
and
I'm
struggling
with
some
of
the
comments
about
burglaries,
and
we
can't
afford
three
more
Neighbors
in
this
in
this
area.
It's
for
all
those
reasons,
all
obviously,
second
and
in
support
of
the
motion.
AB
AB
I
think
in
terms
of
compatibility
I'll
always
for
the
motion
in
terms
of
compatibility,
I'm,
saying
a
long
Victory,
there's
some
similar
size
Lots
in
our
1C
zones.
You
know
r1c,
it's
fronting
Cloverdale,
it's
kind
of
acting
like
a
buffer
between
Cloverdale
and
that
r1a
or
r1b
kind
of
behind
it.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
acting
like
a
buffer
from
the
tire
traffic
zones
and
I'm,
seeing
some
some
similar
kind
of
lot
sizes
a
little
bit
to
the
South.
AB
It's
not
directly
around
it,
but
you
know
it's
within
our
vicinity
map,
certainly-
and
so
it's
it's
a
pretty
decent
radius
and
again
a
second
on
the
the
comments
about
the
design
review
yeah.
Obviously
this
is
a
application
for
a
record
or
survey
and
not
the
appearance
of
the
houses.
There's
no
house
proposed
here,
but
yeah
I
mean
you.
Can
you
see
even
with
the
billboard
application
at
the
end
of
today's
agenda?
AB
AB
I
think
that's
just
simply
not
true,
just
because
it
is
pretty
widely
and
broadly
applied
and
I
think
the
city
does
care
about
all
those
places
and
all
the
gateways
and
all
those
spaces.
So
with
that
I'll
be
in
support
of
motion.
Okay,.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner
Moore
commissioner
Gillespie.
Are
you
good?
Okay,
all
right
now,
just
real
quick
I'm
also
going
to
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
want
to
commend
staff
and
the
applicant
for
coming
up
with
I
think
a
reasonable
info
project
here
on
this
on
this
properties.
Commissioner,
Danley
mentioned
you
know
you're.
Your
lot
sizes
here
are
actually
closer
to
probably
an
r1b,
and
your
density
is
closer
to
r1b
and
you're,
actually
I
think
probably
leaving
a
lot.
D
You
know
off
of
this
project
so
so
kudos
to
staff
at
kudos
to
the
applicant
for
I
think
coming
up
with
a
reasonable
approach
here.
D
I
see
no
reason
that
this
should
be
denied
by
any
means
you're
meeting
the
the
letter
of
the
law
with
our
code,
all
of
the
responding
agencies
agreed
with
that
that
summary
as
well.
So
all
the
best
with
the
project
I
am
also
just
going
to
sound
out
real
quickly,
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
some
of
the
comments.
D
I
think
that
you
know
the
neighborhood
fabric
is
is
created
by
the
people
that
live
there
and
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
kind
of
bring
down
the
temperature
a
little
bit
and
understand
it's
it's
three
more
homes
in
an
existing
large
subdivision
of
many
homes
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
going
to
be
detrimental.
You
know
to
the
character
of
the
entire
neighborhood
or.
D
With
that
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
role
again.
We
have
a
motion
to
deny
the
the
appeal
of
sorry
Ros
22-110,
with
Emotion
by
commissioner
Danley
and
the
second
by
commissioner
Mooney.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.