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A
All
right
good
evening,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
Boise
City
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
plan
and
unmuted.
There
is
a
chat
function
in
Zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
Our
procedures
for
public
hearing
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
those
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
Star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
Testimony.
A
B
Thank
you
Crystal
good
evening,
everybody
and
Welcome
to
our
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
the
Boise
City
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
We
are
assistant
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
conditional
use,
permits,
variances
and
appeals
and
recommendations
to
City
Council
on
subdivisions,
rezones,
annexations
and
plan
or
code
amendments.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
B
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing.
We
will
Begin
by
hearing
from
City
staff,
then
the
applicant
and
then
questions
from
the
commission.
Public
testimony
begins
with
the
representative
of
registered
neighborhood
association.
B
B
Thank
you
all
for
attending
tonight.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll
it's.
B
C
D
E
C
B
Thank
you
all
right,
I
think
we'll
start
out
today
with
our
Chris
was
hiding
back
there.
I
didn't
see
him
start
with
some
deferrals.
We
have
a
pretty
pretty
full
agenda
this
evening.
We
do
have
some
deferrals,
we'll
start
there
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
building
our
consent
agenda
and
then
in
the
new
business
items
Sue.
Our
first
deferral
is
item
number
three.
This
is
PUD
23-8,
Walsh
Holmes.
B
This
was
deferred
previously
from
our
June
5th
meeting.
The
applicant
is
requesting
deferral
to
our
August
14th
meeting.
Sorry,
the
project
address
is
3
3712,
North,
Patricia
Lane.
It's
a
modification
to
a
conditional
use
permit
for
Planned
residential
development
to
add
a
multi-family
unit,
1.65
acres
in
an
r1c
Zone.
Again
this
applicant's
requesting
deferral
to
August
14th.
A
Just
one
point
of
of
order:
they're
not
requesting
they
did
not
post
the
site.
Sorry.
B
B
This
is
car
23-10
and
PUD
23-11
Boise,
River
builders
project
address
is
1200
and
1208
South
Leadville
Avenue,
it's
a
rezone
of
0.35
Acres
from
R2
to
r3d,
and
then
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
plan,
residential
development,
price
of
10
multi-family
units
of
0.35
acres
and
a
pending
r3d
Zone.
Again
this
falls
into
the
same
category.
It's
the
previous
item.
B
Is
that
right?
Yes,
five!
We
can
open
it.
Yeah
I'm
number
11,
car
23-8,
PUD,
23-9
and
SUV
22-71
Rock,
Solid,
civil
and
Aubrey's
subdivision
located
at
9797
West
Shields
Avenue
is
a
rezone
of
approximately
0.95
Acres
from
r1c
to
r2d,
and
then
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
plan,
residential
development,
price
of
10
dwelling
units
and
a
parking
reduction
of
0.95
Acres.
B
B
So
one
more
deferral
is
item
number
five.
This
is
car
23-9
and
PUD
23-10,
Rodney,
Evans
and
partners.
Llc
project
address
is
11880
West,
Overland
Road.
This
is
a
rezone
of
approximately
3.5
Acres
from
r18
r3d
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
plan.
Residential
development
comprised
of
138
multi-family
units
on
3.5
acres
in
a
pending,
r3d
Zone
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
deferral
of
this
item
to
August
14th.
G
Can
I
make
a
substitute
motion?
Can
we
try
items
three
four
and
five
to
August
14th
and
item
11
to
August
7th.
B
C
B
B
Without
objection,
I
will
place
the
minutes
from
our
June
fifth
meeting
of
this
year
on
the
consent
agenda
and
then
the
next
item
eligible
for
consent
is
item
number
one
tonight:
that's
cup
2316
and
CVA
23-5
Boise,
City,
Parks
and
Recreation
at
8350,
West,
Goddard
Road.
B
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
park
on
0.98
acres
and
an
r1c
Zone,
there's
also
a
variance
to
encroach
into
the
front
and
rear
setbacks
included
in
this
application,
and
is
the
applicant
present
tonight
very
good
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Okay,
let
the
record
show
that
the
applicant
is
present
and
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report,
and
is
there
anyone
in
attendance
this
evening
hoping
to
testify
an
opposition
to
this
item.
B
And
I
believe
we
have
one
more
eligible
for
consent,
and
that
is
item
number
eight
PUD,
23-16
and
SUV
23-13.
The
applicant
is
Rodney
Evans
and
partners.
Project
is
Danish,
Flats
subdivision
address
is
1907
North
Fry
Street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
eight
single-family
and
12
Town
Home
units
on
1.39
acres
and
r2d
Zone,
R2
Zone.
Excuse
me
and
then
a
preliminary
plat
for
send
subdivision
the
applicants
present
and
Ben.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report?
F
F
B
B
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
return
back
to
the
top
of
our
agenda
now
for
new
business
items.
We'll
start
with
item
number
two
PUD
23-12
Hillside
architecture
is
the
applicant
project,
is
four
at
4138
West
State
Street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
mixed-use
development
comprised
of
33
multi-family
units
and
some
commercial
on
0.92
acres
in
a
c2d
Zone.
A
You
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
item
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
and
mixed
use.
Development
comprised
of
33
multi-family
units
and
Commercial
uses
on
0.92
Acres
The
applicant's
Proposal
includes
two
four-story
buildings
at
the
southern
edge
of
the
property
adjacent
to
the
State
Street
Frontage
Road,
the
proposed
buildings
will
have
a
maximum
height
of
45
feet.
Meeting
the
requirements
of
the
Zone,
the
Western
Building
includes
three
903
square
foot,
ground
level,
retail
commercial
spaces
with
10
studio
and
three
one-bedroom
residential
units
above
the
ground
floor.
A
Tenant
spaces
are
envisioned
for
small
businesses
such
as
coffee
shops,
boutiques,
bike,
repair,
small
Bistro
or
Professional
Services.
The
building
to
the
east
is
comprised
solely
of
residential
multi-family,
with
21
bedroom
units
required
amenities
have
been
provided,
as
well
as
a
12-foot
multi-use
pathway
adjacent
to
the
frontage
road.
The
project
is
on
an
existing
bus
line
and
near
Willow
Lane
Park.
A
The
planning
team
has
received
public
testimony
from
the
neighborhood,
citing
the
concerns
listed
here
as
outlined
in
the
late
correspondence
memo.
The
Proposal
meets
the
parking
requirements
of
the
code.
A
condition
of
approval
requires
additional
review
of
tree
mitigation,
a
complete
submittal
was
received
and
the
project
generally
meets
the
requirements
of
the
development
code
and
underlying
Zone.
As
such,
the
planning
team
proposes
no
changes
to
the
original
recommendation.
A
Finally,
the
planning
team
did
receive
additional
information
from
achd
after
the
late
correspondence
memo
was
packaged.
Based
on
this
new
information,
the
planning
team
recommends
a
change
to
condition
two
striking
the
sentence
seen
on
the
screen
as
no
irrigation
is
allowed
in
the
right-of-way.
With
this
modification
and
the
other
recommended
conditions,
the
proposed
development
is
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
planning
team
finds
the
request
to
be
consistent
with
the
required
findings
and
standards
for
approval.
As
such,
the
planning
team
recommends
the
application
be
approved
with
conditions.
D
I
My
name
is
Eric
Lind
with
Hillside
architecture.
Give
us
your
address.
I
Yes,
okay,
so
our
project
basically
is
what
Crystal
has
described.
It
generally
conforms
to
the
guidelines
outlined
by
the
city
and
are
not
requesting
any
variances
other
than
a
reduction
in
parking
for
mixed
use,
development
and
the
adjacency
to
transportation.
I
We
are
in
agreement
to
the
staff
report
and
the
conditions
laid
out
there
for
the
landscaping
and
tree
mitigation
plan,
which
we
have
a
certified
Arborist
on
on
board
with
our
team
and
are
working
with
them.
I
think
what
we
were
missing
in
our
report
was
a
detailed
report
from
the
arborist
on
on
that
tree
mitigation
plan
and
we
plan
on
having
a
formal
report
as
a
as
a
condition
of
approval,
provided
we
also
I
guess
for
the
record.
I
I
We
are
also
providing
the
required
parking
per
the
city
guidelines
for
the
number
of
units
that
are
being
proposed
and
I
feel
like
we
meet
those
those
guidelines
with
that
parking
reduction
and
I
feel
like
this
project
fits
in
with
the
overall.
I
Future
development
of
the
State,
Street
Corridor
being
a
Gateway
corridor
and
I
feel
like
it
can
complement
the
the
neighborhood.
D
D
J
I
got
a
question
for
staff
regarding
the
AC
achd
late
correspondence
on
parking.
They
reference
their
traffic
services
and
complaints.
How
do
we
normally
react
to
when
achd
reports,
things
that
would
be
under
the
purview
of
be
Police
Department
versus
traffic
Services?
It
seemed
like
kind
of
a
sir
proof.
Superfluous
comment
in
the
report.
A
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney
I
personally
had
not
seen
that
type
of
comment
in
a
staff
report
before
so
we
don't
normally
deal
with
those
all
I
can
say
is
that
the
project
does
meet
the
minimum
parking
requirements.
That
goes
above
even
with
the
waivers,
and
so.
J
Have
we
seen
a
comment
before
achg
recommending
that
the
city
require
adequate
on-site
parking
as
that's
pretty
common?
Is
that
true.
A
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney,
that
is
correct,.
G
New
rain
Crystal
we
have
a
letter
from
Gary
Zimmerman
from
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association.
He
talks
about
parking
I
agree
with
the
city's
position
on
Mr
Zimmerman's
comments
on
parking.
He
does,
however,
also
raise
some
issues
related
to
the
tree:
canopy
and
man.
Those
are
some
big
trees
and
in
particular
he
cites
a
comments
from
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Department.
This
I
think
is
on
page
or
five
of
his
letter.
Basically,
it
starts
with
the
phrase.
The
submitted
landscape
medication
plan
provides
a
thorough,
blah,
blah
blah
accounting.
G
So
it's
our
own
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
questioning
their
landscape
architect
is
Mr.
Zimmerman's
quote
in
his
letter
accurate,
like
do
you
did
he
get
that
right
when
he
put
it
in
there
and
the
only
reason
I
ask
is
because
I
wasn't
able
to
go
back
and
find
that
particular
letter
in
the
record.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
correct
before
I
blither
on
Mr.
G
It
just
starts
with
so
he's,
quoting
from
The
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
comments
on
the
project.
The
submitted
landscape
admitted
patient
plan
provides
a
thorough
accounting
and
then
it
goes
on,
and
then
it
basically
says:
there's
no
arborist
record
and
it
it
the
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department
is
implying
that
a
normal
standard
would
indicate
a
250
inch
caliper
deficit.
So
basically
he's
Zimmerman
is
implying
that
our
own
Parks
Iraq
is
saying
they're
not
putting
enough
trees
back.
A
From
the
parks-
and
that
is
why,
there's
that
additional
condition
they
wanted
a
little
more
information
just
to
understand
what
exactly
the
mitigation,
the
correct
mitigation
number
would
be
right
so
before
they
can
submit
before
design
review.
We'll
get
that
Mr.
G
So,
with
respect
to
site-specific
condition,
number
five
on
packet,
page
117,
which
addresses
this
issue
I
wondered
if,
in
that
condition,
Crystal
the
city's
comfortable,
adding
a
second
sentence
at
the
end
of
the
one
sentence
that
says
the
arborist
report.
An
updated
landscape
plan
must
address
the
issues
raised
by
this
Boise
City,
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
tie
that
back
in
the
design.
Review
isn't
like
what
wondering
where
that
came
from.
So
are
you
comfortable
with
that?
Adding
that
sentence
to
the
end
of
condition?
Five
Mr.
B
B
B
B
B
B
Very
good-
and
hence
that
was
my
next
question-
is
why
there
will
be
no
irrigation,
but
now
it's
all
kind
of
coming
together
for
me,
okay
and
then,
while
we're
on
the
topic,
then
Mr
Lind,
if
you
want
wouldn't
mind,
coming
back
up
here
to
the
podium.
B
Okay,
very
good,
actually
Crystal.
If
you
don't
mind
real,
quick,
throwing
that
back
up
the
other
question
for
you,
Mr
Lynn,
there's
just
you
know,
this
is
kind
of
just
a
an
observation.
There's
an
awful
lot
of
Hardscape
between
the
buildings
and
I
was
just
kind
of
curious
as
to
why-
and
maybe
you
will
resolve
this
or
refine
this
when
you
get
into
design
review
but
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
get
a
little
bit
of
information
from
you
or
your
take
on.
I
Partially,
due
to
site
constraints,
those
buildings
are
kind
of
shoehorned
into
this
site.
There
isn't
room
to
really
reduce
the
depth
of
the
the
Western
building,
as
it's
at
the
30
foot
minimum
depth
requirement
for
commercial.
I
As
far
as
the
space
in
between
trying
to
create
a
kind
of
Plaza
space,
where
you
know
you
have
maybe
some
seating
for
that
Bistro
aspect
of
it
or
some
other
kind
of
grab
and
go
food
option,
but
then
also
kind
of
trying
to
energize
that
space
a
little
bit
with
an
outdoor
ping
pong
table
for
public
use.
For
that
commercial
aspect,
but
also
for
the
residents.
I
I
B
B
Okay,
all
right
we'll
go
ahead,
then,
and
open
this
one
up
for
public
testimony
and
a
couple
of
folks
sign
up
ahead
of
time
at
Gretchen,
Hoyt
and
then
Trevor
Ellis
and
then
Natalie
Ellis,
Miss
Hoyt.
If
you
want
to
come
up
to
the
podium,
you
can
kick
us
off.
We'll
have
three
minutes
to
testify
there.
You
go
well
done.
E
Is
that
better
there
you
go
okay!
Thank
you!
Gretchen
Hoyt,
891,
North,
Lander,
Street
I'm,
not
necessarily
opposed
to
this
project
like
I,
was
to
Interfaith
Alliance
the
low
barrier
part.
But
at
this
point
I
have
some
major
traffic
concerns.
I
live
on
Lander
Street
and
when
entering
State
Street
from
Fargo,
because
sometimes
I
go
off
to
Fargo
to
the
West,
because
you
can't
get
out
next
to
the
lift
anymore.
E
It's
already
extremely
dangerous.
The
State
Street
traffic
is
extremely
heavy
and
rarely
going
the
post
at
35
miles
an
hour
speed
if
trying
to
turn
westbound
onto
State.
E
Now,
I'm,
halfway
out
in
to
the
eastbound
traffic
and
I,
can't
go
anywhere
because
I
can't
get
to
the
center
lane
because
people
are
pulling
into
it.
So
I've
not
been
in
an
accident
yet,
but
it's
only
a
matter
of
time.
I've
resorted
to
and
I
hope
I
don't
get
a
ticket
for
this
going
through
the
parking
lot
at
the
lift
to
try
to
get
out
because
those
side
streets
are
so
tight.
Adding
to
the
sheer
number
of
cars
the
proposed
Interfaith
Alliance
and
the
Arthur
Street
Apartments
is
going
to
increase
the
traffic
there.
E
I
spoke
with
achd,
the
Callister
will
Lane
veterans.
Corridor
is
up
for
re-timing
at
some
point
soon.
They
have
hired
the
people
to
do
so,
but
they
had
no
solid
timeline
when
that
will
be
done
and
when
it
is
actually
done
that
Gap
spacing
between
red
lights,
on
Callister,
Willow,
Lane
and
veterans
are
going
to
be
in
favor
of
the
State
Street
tar
ethics,
so
that
Gap
that
we
have
to
get
out
is
going
to
be
even
smaller
for
the
north
side
of
state
of
State
Street.
E
If
you
come
down,
if
you're
headed
south
on
Fargo,
you
can
jump
on
that
frontage
road
now,
but
my
understanding
is,
you
know
you
can
get
on
that
frontage
road,
so
Fargo
Lander
and
the
trailer
court
can
then
head
West
and
cross
at
a
protected
light
on
Willow
to
get
onto
State
Street
and
from
what
I
understand
that
Frontage
Road
is
going
to
be
dissolved
into
State
Street
expansion.
At
some
point,
achd
was
not
able
to
tell
me
when
that
was
going
to
happen.
E
They
didn't
return.
My
call
by
the
time
this
testimony
was
happening.
So
really
I,
guess
I'm.
Just
here,
I
know
you
guys
are
planning
and
zoning
I,
don't
know
what
you
have
to
do
with
the
police
and
traffic,
but
I'm
begging
you
to
drive
that
Corridor
at
rush
hours.
Now
it's
hours
it
used
to
be
from
10
to
11.
You
had
a
little
time.
E
It's
just
there's
just
no,
it's
busy
all
the
time,
and
even
in
the
middle
of
the
night
they're
coming
out
of
whatever
you
call
that
not
strip
joint
strip,
joint
they're,
appealing
ahead
of
the
hair
at
two
and
three
and
four
in
the
morning.
So
there's
it's
always
busy.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
just
to
get
on
the
record!
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
Miss
White,
Trevor,
Ellis,.
M
Hello,
I'm
Trevor
I
live
at
the
4118
West
State
Street,
which
is
the
I
guess.
The
east
side
of
this
development
and
I
do
have
some
concerns
the
last
couple
years
this
thing's
been
kind
of
planned
and
changed.
M
I
was
approached
several
times
to
sell
my
property
and
I
put
a
lot
of
pride
in
work
in
my
property
and
I
wasn't
really
willing
to
sell.
I
was
told
on
several
occasions.
It
was
lied
to
about
other
properties
being
sold
around
me
to
try
to
encourage
me
to
sell
my
property
and
it
that
was
just
uncalled
for
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
traffic
in
our
area
and
the
parking
situation.
M
I
just
was
very
unhappy
with
the
way
they
went
about
this
and
having
a
four-story
building
up
next
to
my
house
is
not
exactly
what
I
had
planned
for
my
future.
There
on
State
Street
I
feel,
like
the
other
properties,
were
kind
of
preyed
upon,
as
they
were
older
folks
with
their
houses
that
weren't
in
great
condition,
and
that
also
kind
of
left
a
bad
taste
in
my
mouth,
with
a
lot
of
the
Neighbors
in
that
area.
Who
really
had
no
say
and
helping
anybody?
You
know
build
this
project.
M
I
know
that
the
State
Street
Corridor,
you
know,
obviously
wants
to
move
forward.
I
just
feel
that
the
way
they
kind
of
went
about
it
was
pretty
wrong
and
just
hoping
that
our
privacy
for
all
the
surrounding
houses
around
this
development
are
not
going
to
be
overwhelmed
with
parking
problems
and
and
coming
in
and
out
of
that
little
Corridor
area,
it's
very
hard
to
get
out
on
State
Street,
as
it
is
right
now
going
in
and
going
out.
M
M
N
I
also
live
at
4118
West
State
Street.
My
biggest
concern
with
this
development
is,
like
so
many
have
said
before.
N
The
parking
and
also
the
traffic
I
grew
up
in
Boise
in
this
neighborhood
I've
spent,
probably
30
years
there,
leaving
just
for
a
few
years
to
go
to
college,
and
then
I
came
back
to
the
same
neighborhood
because
I
loved
it
so
much
one
of
the
biggest
concerns
I
have
is
the
people,
the
investors
that
we
spoke
with,
that
were
trying
to
purchase
our
property
informed
us
that
they
could
do
this
without
the
parking,
because
they
were
so
close
to
a
bus.
Stop
one
thing,
I
know
about
Boise.
N
Being
here,
my
whole
life
is
that
also,
let
me
preface
this
by
saying
I've
spent
about
the
last
20
years
of
my
career
in
transportation,
in
public
transportation
and
I
know
wholeheartedly
that
Boise
is
not
a
city
that
really
loves
public
transportation
and
not
necessarily
the
developers
or
the
it's
the
it's
the
community.
It's
not
a
public
bus
Community
as
the
time
I
was
in
college
I
was
in
Portland.
N
That
was
a
public
bus.
Community
Boise
is
not
there.
Yet.
We
people
still
think
people
that
ride
the
bus
or
taboo
or
they're
they're.
It's
just
not
a
it's
not
positively
seen,
which
is
unfortunate.
It's
just
the
way.
It
is.
People
love
their
cars
here.
So
I
know
that
when
there's
a
33
unit
building
going
in
next
door,
it's
going
to
have
vehicles
and
even
people
who
may
work
from
home.
N
Consequently,
I
work
in
administration
now
I
know
that
working
from
home
is
going
down.
Covid,
it
was
in,
and
up
people
are
going
back
to
work
statistically.
So
there's
not
as
many
working
from
home.
That's
not
an
argument
anymore.
People
like
their
cars,
especially
in
this
area.
You
can
go
to
a
tire
side
chat
with
the
Valley
Regional
Transit
any
month
that
they
have
them
and
understand
that
people
love
their
cars
in
Boise.
So
the
parking
is
an
issue
I
understand
that
they
say
that
they're
within
the
code.
N
N
B
O
Yes,
this
is
Brent
Matthew.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
Mr
chair
and
commission
I
reside
at
4130
West
Plum
Street,
which
is
about
a
block,
and
a
half
from
this
proposed
development.
I
was
at
the
initial
public
meeting
that
the
developers
provided
at
Callister
and
I
think
I
made
some
statements
there.
I
would
encourage
this
commission
to
well.
I
would
first
endorse
what
Gary
Zimmerman
has
said
about
the
tree
canopy
and
the
last
two
citizens.
O
O
O
The
concern
is
Fargo
is
a
very
narrow
street
without
curbs
and
as
other
of
the
area.
Citizens
have
testified.
The
increase
on
traffic
and
the
increased
parking
is
going
to
have
an
impact
on
my
neighborhood
I'm,
already
having
difficulty
turning
left
from
Fargo
onto
State
Street.
O
B
And
looks
like
next
is
Gary
Zimmerman.
B
P
Thank
you,
okay,
is
that
working
yep
sure
is
all
right.
I
do
believe.
Some
of
this
has
already
been
covered,
so
I'll
go
through
it.
Pretty
quick
and
I
certainly
appreciate
the
discussion.
Already.
That's
happened
on
some
of
these
comments,
so
thank
you.
My
name
is
Gary
Zimmerman
I
live
on
Plum
Street,
just
down
the
street
from
Brent.
P
Just
a
couple,
quick
things
on
the
comments
that
I
made
earlier
that
I
haven't,
you
know,
heard
any
feedback
on
that.
I
think
is
important
to
take
away
these
one
bedroom
units,
22
of
them
with
an
office.
They
should
be
considered
two
bedroom
units,
regardless
of
what
your
end
calculation
is
these
offices,
although
they
don't
have
a
door,
they
have
an
adjacent
closet
and
almost
all
of
them
have
a
window
or
balcony
or
both
they're
good
size,
they're
10
by
12
easy
to
accommodate
a
bed.
P
If
you
look
at
the
picture
on
the
bottom
right,
that's
an
aspen
Lofts,
two
bedroom
condo
with
a
very
similar
room.
That's
referred
to
as
a
bedroom.
It
has
no
door,
it
has
an
adjacent
closet.
So
these
very
much
are
two
bedroom
units,
there's
22
of
them,
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
parking
minimums
are
met
for
those
when
the
final
calculations
are
done.
P
Also,
I've
I
take
exception
to
giving
credit
for
on-street
parking
on
the
Frontage
Road.
That
road
is
planned
to
be
removed
as
part
of
achd's
future
State
Street
widening
project.
This
is
touched
on
in
both
their
Five-Year
Plan,
as
well
as
in
their
comment
letter
for
this
project.
P
The
other
issue
which
we've
talked
about
is
the
tree:
canopy
Veterans,
Park,
neighborhood,
they're
kind
of
the
leader
in
Boise
for
tree
canopy,
and
you
can
see
here
from
the
aerial
shot,
just
how
massive
some
of
that
canopy
is
or
from
State
Street
how
tall
and
mature
it
is.
This
provides
real
cooling
effect
to
our
neighborhood.
So
it's
very
important
to
keep
this
in
mind
as
we're
looking
at.
How
do
we
want
to?
You
know
preserve
that
canopy
in
this
neighborhood.
B
I
We
all
know
that
as
Boise
grows,
that
there's
going
to
be
growing
pains
with
traffic
and
I
think
as
those
I
think
part
of
those
growing
pains
are
going
to
be
a
a
need
for
a
change
of
how
we
approach
our
commuting
and
I.
Think,
as
these
growing
pains,
you
know
increase
that
it
will
drive
people
to
Alternative
modes
of
transportation,
but
I
also
want
to
address
that
these
are
one
bedroom
apartments.
Well,
there
are
not.
You
could
fit
more
people
in
them.
I.
I
Don't
think
that
that
is
a
fair
assessment
to
incorporate
into
the
parking
calculation
because
who's
to
say
that
you
can't
have
12
sleeping
mats
in
the
living
room,
and
you
know
I
I,
just
don't
think
that
that's
a
fair
assessment.
They
are
intended
to
be
one
bedroom
and,
with
you
know,
either
a
single
person
or
a
couple.
I
The
demographic
that
this
project
is
targeting
are
single
single
people
or
single
or
couples
that
are
young
and
don't
have
children
yet
and
are
entrepreneur,
entrepreneurial
and
spirit
and
want
to
work
from
home.
Whether
they're,
you
know
doing
their
own
business
and
need
that
dedicated
space.
I
I
think
also
with
the
there's
to
address
the
on
street
parking,
we're
not
proposing
any
on-street
parking
and
we're
not
accounting
for
that
in
any
of
the
calculations
that
we
did
for
the
required
parking.
I
I
I
As
far
as
the
tree
canopy
we're
working
with
an
arborist
to
get
a
more
detailed
report
per
the
conditions
of
approval
from
staff
and
in
their
initial
tree
survey,
they
did
comment
on
the
condition
of
those
trees.
A
majority
of
them
are
not
considered
desirable
species
of
trees
being
Siberian
elm,
which
I
believe
is
somewhat
invasive
and
Idaho
is
not
a
native
tree
and
the
other
are
black.
I
Locust
and
most
of
these
trees
were
reported
as
diseased
and
in
a
decline
of
health,
and
as
we
get
a
more
detailed
report,
we
can
collaborate
with
the
parks
department,
arborist
and
get
a
consensus
on
that
and
I
think
the
deficiency
in
the
tree
mitigation
plan
the
caliber
deficit
that
the
project
has
comes
from,
how
the
landscape
architect
calculated
the
caliper
inches.
They
did
not
include
the
trees
that
were
diseased
or
of
a
species
that
isn't
desirable.
I
That's
not
to
say
that
tree
canopy
isn't
important,
but
we
are
proposing
to
replace
a
number
of
caliper
inches
and
if
the
revised
plan
needs
to
add
a
few
more
caliber
inches
and
then
just
because
of
the
constraints
of
the
site
we
would
have
to
buy
into
the
city
tree
fund
and
I
know
that
the
neighbor
mentioned
that
he
doesn't
want
the
trees
to
go
somewhere
else,
but
because
of
the
constraints
of
the
site.
I
I
think
I've
I've
addressed
the
concerns
that
were
were
brought
up.
I
think
the
commission
for
their
their
time
and
look
forward
to
your
comments.
Thank
you.
J
J
I
recommend
we
approve
PUD
2300012
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions,
as
stated
in
the
staff
report
and
the
changing
condition.
Number
five
is
previously
discussed
in
the
question
and
answer.
J
John
a
couple
comments
about
parking
and
I
agree
completely
with
the
applicants.
Comments
about
pain
and
parking
will
eventually
motivate
change
in
behavior,
and
that's
what
happens
and
that's
what
we
we
hope
to
happen
in
Boise
I
agree
with
the
the
neighbors
that
are
concerned
about
the
fact
that
we're
not
we're
a
we're,
a
car,
loving
town,
but
hopefully
we
can
grow
a
bit
out
of
that
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
the
zoning
code
rewrite
was
about
as
well.
J
So
hopefully
change
will
come
about
based
on
and
this
is
a
Transit
Corridor,
and
so
we
we
want
to
see
change
in
Behavior
there.
So
we
get
it
I
think.
The
other
thing
that's
missed.
Often
with
this
parking
discussion
is
the
cost
of
parking.
If
we
were
to
go
with
Mr
Zimmerman's
comments
and
added
22
additional
spots
and
the
other
ones
we're
talking
about
a
price
tag
of
250
000,
probably
ten
thousand
dollars
per
parking
spot
for
a
surface
parking
and
that's
not
going
to
be
paid
by
the
developer.
J
It's
going
to
be
paid
by
our
new
neighbors
living
in
these
new
units,
because
they're
they're
called
their
housing
cost
is
going
to
go
up,
so
I
think
that's
important
to
keep
emphasizing
and
then.
Lastly,
the
tree
mitigation
yeah.
If
the
site
is
constrained,
then
we're
left
with
the
decision
between
cars
or
trees,
and
so
it
sounds
like
Mr.
Zimmerman
wants
cars
there,
but
he
always
also
wants
all
of
it
and
I.
Don't
think.
That's
fair
I
think
there's
got
to
be
in
between
there.
J
G
G
Please
so
I
agree
with
commissioner
John
I
would
even
dig
a
slightly
narrower
point
of
view.
The
city
council
has
spent
a
huge
amount
of
time
and
we
have
an
enormous
amount
of
very
complicated
code
that
deals
with
parking
and
multi-family
development
and
Transit
supported
development,
and
we've
created
all
these
mechanisms
to
find
out
what
the
parking
number
is
at
sites
like
this.
So
when
you
do
all
the
math
go
through
all
the
policy,
this
this
proposal
complies
with
what
the
city
council
wants
to
do.
G
So
the
policy
decision
has
been
made
and
right
now,
it's
the
job
of
this
commission
at
this
hearing
to
implement
that
policy,
so
the
place
where
we
talk
about
how
to
do
it.
Is
it
the
city
council,
when
we
write
ordinances
once
the
ordinance
is
written,
the
purpose
of
this
hearing
really
is
to
say:
does
this
application
comply
with
the
ordinances
we
have?
So
my
policy
preference
on
parking
talking
doesn't
matter
what
matters
is
what
the
ordinance
says.
G
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
in
the
big
scheme
of
things
and
I
think
we
haven't
heard
any
testimony
from
anybody
that
causing
the
question
whether
this
application
meets
the
the
the
specific
conditions
of
the
ordinance
and
for
that
reason,
I
think
the
parking
has
to
be
approved
and
I
I
further
think
that
the
whole
the
whole
permit
should
be
approved.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
F
Mr,
chair,
Mr,
stead,
I,
agree
with
commissioner
Gillespie
and
he
does
such
a
good
job
of
explaining
that
process,
but
also
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
the
applicant
that
I
really
appreciate
the
mixed-use
aspect
of
it
and
we
have
a
lot
of
area
in
our
city.
That's
designated
for
mixed
use
and
we
don't
always
see
it.
So.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
G
Just
one
last
thing,
I
did
want
to
express
my
appreciation
to
the
neighbors
who
testified
I,
understand
your
points
and
I
also
want
to
thank
Gary
for
submitting
a
very
thorough
and
specific
piece
of
written
testimony
that
that
was
very
helpful
to
me.
B
There
you
know
yeah
I'll,
pick
you
back
on
the
comments
and
just
encourage
you
all
that
have
concerns
about
this
application.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
coming
and
expressing
your
concerns.
You
have
another
opportunity
this.
This
will
continue.
This
project
will
continue
through
the
process,
the
next
step
being
a
design
review.
B
Where
you
know
the
applicant
will
be
laying
layering
in
more
detail
to
the
drawings,
responding
to
the
comments
and
the
conditions
that
we
place
on
the
project
here
tonight,
so
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
continue
to
express
your
concerns,
and
you
know
through
that
process.
You
know.
Ideally,
these
projects
get
better
right.
B
That's
kind
of
the
idea,
but
I
also
agree
with
commissioner
Gillespie's
summary
that
you
know
our
job
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
permitting
projects
that
are
meeting
the
code
requirements
and
this
project
does
that
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
example
of
what
the
city
envisions
for
State
Street
in
the
future
right
in
the
next
60
80
years.
Right
as
Boise
continues
to
grow.
B
D
G
D
B
Okay,
Janelle
said
yes,
okay,
all
right
great!
Thank
you!
Everybody
Steph
I,
believe
we
are
moving
up
to.
Our
next
item
is
number
six.
All
right
item
number
six
is
SOS
23-8,
Rodney,
Evans
and
partners.
Llc.
The
project
address
is
4301
West,
Hill
Road.
B
Q
You
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
gutter
sidewalk
as
part
of
minor
land
division
located
at
4301,
West
Hill
Road
on
1.73
acres
and
r1c
Zone.
As
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
property
is
located
along
Hill,
Road
and
within
a
residential
neighborhood.
The
site
is
also
about
a
half
a
mile
to
the
southeast.
From
a
Neighborhood
Activity
Center,
located
at
the
intersection
of
36th
and
Hill
Road,
a
minorland
division
was
approved
for
the
property.
Q
The
approval
was
to
split
the
property
into
two
Parcels
require
which
require
construction
of
Street
improvements
along
Hill
and
Edward
Street.
This
site
plan
shows
the
parcels
being
created,
which
includes
a
vacant
parcel
to
the
Northwest
and
a
second
parcel
to
the
southeast
containing
two
houses.
The
two
houses
on
the
one
parcel
was
approved
back
in
2006
with
a
conditional
use.
Q
As
such
to
minimize
the
amount
of
grading
associated
with
the
site
improvements,
the
planning
team
recommends
the
construction
of
a
seven
foot
attached
sidewalk
along
Hill
with
curb
and
gutter,
and
a
five
foot
wide
attached,
sidewalk
on
on
with
curb
and
gutter
along
Edward
Street
abutting
the
site.
The
planning
team
feels
that
pedestrian
improvements
are
worn
to
the
Long
Hill
Road
and
Edward
Street
abutting
the
property
due
to
the
potential
for
similar
type
of
developments
in
the
general
area.
R
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
Ben
Semple
with
Rodney
Evans
and
partners,
1450
West,
Bannock,
Street,
Boise,
83702
I-
want
to
thank
David
and
the
staff
for
their
report
on
this.
I
know
that
requesting
sidewalk
waivers
is
typically
not
a
very
popular
subject,
but
in
this
case
we
do
feel
like
we
have
some
exceptional
circumstances.
The
staff
did
mention
those
in
the
report.
I
did
bring
or
thought
I
brought.
R
My
thumb
drive
and
didn't
make
it
in
my
pocket,
but
I
was
able
to
email
those
over
so
Crystal
was
going
to
pull
those
up
for
me,
you
know
really
what
the
Crux
of
our
our
argument
here
is
that
you
know
the
the
site
along
Hill,
Road
and
Edward
Street
does
have
some
pretty
substantial
topographic
constraints.
When
we
look
at
this,
this
is
the
picture
looking
sort
of
Southwest
at
the
intersection.
You
see
the
Edwards
Greenhouse
sign
the
buildings
that
you
see.
R
There
are
remaining
there's
no
Redevelopment
proposed
on
this
site,
really
what
the
the
property
owner's
intent
was
to
split
off
a
vacant
portion.
It
kind
of
has
a
little
hobby
Farm
on
it
right
now
for
sale.
R
Actually,
the
the
individual,
that's
looking
to
purchase
that
piece
of
property
is
here
tonight
to
kind
of
talk
about
some
of
the
you
know
what
he
maybe
open
to
discussing,
but
it
you
know,
as
I
put
in
my
narrative.
It
really
will
impact
pretty
much
all
of
the
landscaping
and
fencing
along
the
Hill
Road
Frontage,
as
well
as
some
of
the
fencing.
This
wrought
iron
fence
that
the
the
homeowner
has
installed
along
Edwards,
there's
a
jersey
barrier.
R
If
you
kind
of
scroll
through
some
of
these
pictures,
this
is
sort
of
on
the
west
end
of
that
site.
So
these
Jersey
barriers
right
here
achd
installed
those
a
little
while
ago,
due
to
some
winter
plowing
that
they
did
on
Hill
Road.
It
pushed
snow
and
ice
on
top
of
another
parking
structure
that
was
on
the
site
which
completely
destroyed
it
and
the
homeowner
had
to
tear
that
down.
So
achd's
fix
was
to
put
these
Jersey
barriers
in
here.
R
R
What
it
comes
down
to
is
that
you
know
this
homeowner
is
looking
to
sell
off
a
portion
of
effectively
half
of
his
site
and
then
the
condition
would
require
him
to
install
approximately
700
linear
feet
of
curb,
better
and
sidewalk,
along
Hill,
Road
and
Edwards,
along
with
the
associated
drainage
facilities
that
come
with
all
that
echt
Improvement.
There
are
also
four
power
poles
that
would
have
to
be
relocated.
R
There
are
also
no
adjacent
sidewalks
on
Hill
Road
or
Edward
Street
Hill
Road
0.41
miles
to
the
dog
bone
Where.
The
Sidewalk
is
0.43
miles
to
Hollister,
where
sidewalk
exists
on
Hill
Road.
Let's
see
Edward
Street,
also
the
map.
It's
a
little
hard
to
see
on
that
map
that
got
brought
up
but
Edwards
Loops
down,
turns
East
turns
back
into
Tamarack
goes
right
back
to
Hill,
Road
doesn't
connect
any
other
streets.
R
There's
a
couple
cul-de-sacs
that
come
off
of
Edwards
I,
believe
so
the
the
opportunity
for
connectivity,
I,
appreciate,
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
connectivity
here
specifically
because
across
the
street
is
a
commercial
property
and
three
or
four
single
family
residences
that
also
don't
have
sidewalk
along
Hill
Road.
So
that
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
I,
don't
know
a
spot
where
this
amount
of
sidewalk
really
wouldn't
accommodate
connectivity
at
this
point.
R
I
know,
that's
not
the
portion
of
what
the
code
says.
That's
why
we're
here
requesting
the
waiver,
though
I,
would
stand
for
additional
questions
and
I
can
also
have
the
property
purchaser
potential
purchaser
come
up
to.
B
B
S
Oh
Matt,
Hanrahan
I
live
at
1170
East
Hearthstone
Drive
83702
I've
been
working
with
a
property
owner
to
purchase
part
of
the
property,
he's
wanting
to
sell
a
piece
of
it
for
retirement
purposes,
and
so
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
this
happen.
S
If
we
have
to
put
700
feet
of
curb,
Gutter
and
sidewalk
in
and
a
six
foot
high
retaining
wall
and
and
moving
for
power
poles
or
that's
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
it
it
just
won't
it's
not
feasible
and
if
that's
the
case,
it
won't
be
developed
for
possibly
30
40
years
when
the
property
owner
passes
it
on
through
his
estate
and
possibly
as
children
are
gonna
sell
it
to
a
developer.
S
So
I'm
thinking
that,
if,
if
the
commission
would
approve
the
approve
this
with
a
condition
that
we
put
in
a
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter
on
the
new
in
front
of
the
new
parcel,
that's
created,
which
would
be
300
feet
that
that's
a
viable
option
for
for
this
project.
You
know
this
deal
to
to
go
through,
but
I'm
quite
certain
that
the
property
owner
is
not
going
to
tear
down
his
existing
garage
in
order
to
sell
off
this
other
piece
of
land.
S
So
if,
if
I
was
able
to
purchase
this
from
him,
I
would
agree
to
put
in
the
300
feet
of
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
That's
what
I
wanted
to
pass
on
to
the
commission.
Thank
you.
R
Yeah,
just
real
quick
to
add
along
that
portion
of
property
there's
also
because
there's
no
structures,
there's
limited
vegetation
other
than
some
old
junipers
there.
It
allows
more
space
to
grade
out
that
area
which
theoretically
could
accommodate
detached
sidewalk
along
that
portion
of
Hill
Road,
which
I
used
to
live
off
a
hill
I've
ridden
my
bike
up
and
down
there.
If
I
was
walking
down
hill
road
I,
don't
know
if
I'd
want
to
be
on
an
attached.
Sidewalk
there
I
feel
like
detached
would
be
better.
R
B
Great
thank
you
Ben.
First
we're
going
to
check
in
with
the
neighborhood
giving
away
from
Callister
neighborhood
association
present.
D
F
Is
I'm
so
the
this
is
a
question
I
think
for
the
applicant
there,
the
300
feet
of
sidewalk
that
the
potential
purchaser
is
suggesting,
that
is
on
Hill
Road
or
that's
on
the
side
street.
B
Maybe
if
David
can
pull
up
the
site
plan,
which
I
believe
it's
parcel
a.
R
D
The
preliminary
plot.
R
K
G
G
G
It
is
also
one
of
the
worst
walking
streets
in
our
city,
because
it's
got
all
these
crazy
bikers
and
no
sidewalks.
So
it's
a
real
shame.
It's
it's
frankly.
It's
it's
one
of
the
great
planning
screw-ups
in
our
city
that,
sometime
in
the
1950s
or
40s,
when
they
put
in
Hill
Road,
they
didn't
make
it
wide
enough
to
to
do
this
stuff.
G
So
what
is
the
you
know
the
Urban
Pathway
plan,
or
is
there
any
like
thinking
about
this
giant
screw-up
and
how
we
fix
it
in
terms
of
is
it?
Is
it
part
of
any
planning
other
than
it's?
Just
you
know
one
of
America's,
great
Urban
bikeways,
so
I'll
stop
there
because
I
know
John
was
going
to
ask
so
there's
like
there's
nothing
to
help
us
out
here
or
is
there.
Q
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
there
is
nothing
like
that's
my
understanding
that
the
pathways
plan
doesn't
have
a
path
you
know
on
it.
I
believe
it
might
be
listed
as
a
bike
path.
You
know
in
achgs,
but
you're
right.
It
is
it's
one
of
these
sort
of
deficits
and
it
isn't
it's
it's
sort
of
one
of
those
issues
that
have
to
be
resolved
and
I
I.
Don't
really
have
a
solution
here.
Q
Q
G
But
we
so
my
question
is
that
we
cannot
say:
okay,
dude,
you
got
to
put
in
the
sidewalk,
but
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
by
law
we
just
cannot
do.
That
is
that
so
this
is
the
Chris
Stanley
Memorial
question,
because
he
loves
to
do
this.
So
you
say,
oh
yeah,
so
we
can't
do
that.
Though.
We
can't
tell
this.
We
can't
tell
Ben
we'll,
swap
you.
Q
Q
We
want
to
see
I
mean
there
might
be
some
alternative
solutions
to
this
and
I
think
they're,
proposing
to
do
the
sidewalk
on
the
Northern
parcel
at
some
point
when
they
develop
and
and
maybe
there's
an
alternative
solution
of
widening
out
the
show
or
Paving
the
shoulder
along
the
southern
so
that
it
widens
the
bike
path
up
a
bit
more.
You
know
and
removes
that
gravel
shoulder
right
as
a
solution
to
at
least
you
know,
improve
it
as
a
as
a
bike
pathway.
It's
fine!
It's
a
bike
path.
B
G
Q
D
F
Guess,
I
to
commissioner
glasses
point
I'm
having
a
hard
time
understanding
that
kind
of
what
is
the
city's
ideal
vision
for
Hill
Road?
Would
it
be
that
seven
foot
sidewalks
on
both
sides,
bike
lane
on
both
sides,
two-lane
traffic
in
the
middle,
because
I
think
it
sounds
like
perhaps
right
now
the
road
is
not
wide
enough
for
that.
Q
Mr
chair
members,
commission,
that
is
correct,
I
mean
the
idea
would
be
to
actually
have
it
as
a
detached
sidewalk.
That
would
be
the
ideal,
but
you're
right,
there's
just
not
enough
space
on
that
road
in
the
right-of-way
to
do
that,
without
significantly
impacting
the
adjacent
and
existing
properties.
Alongside
so.
F
Mr
chair
it
I,
am
struggling
with
this
because
it
I
don't
want
to
miss
an
opportunity
to
put
sidewalks
in
on
Hill.
Road
I
recognize
that
as
being
very
important,
even
if
the
next
closest
sidewalk
is
a
you
know,
less
than
a
half
a
mile
away.
F
We
need
to
take
advantage
of
every
you
know.
Every
chance
we
got
to
on
sidewalk
there,
but
I
mean
it
almost
sounds
to
me
a
little
premature,
maybe
to
start
installing
sidewalk
if
they're.
If
the
longer
goal
is
to
widen
the
street,
I
don't
want
to
do
I,
don't
want
to
spend
the
expense
and
materials
for
Waste.
Can
you
help
me
understand,
I,
guess
what
we're
hoping
to
accomplish.
Mr.
Q
Chair
member
of
the
commission,
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
and
I'll
let
some
of
the
staff's
goal
of
this
is
trying
to
enhance
The
Pedestrian
environment
if
possible,
and
do
do
so
in
a
way
that
minimizes
the
impact
due
to
the
site
constraints
that
we're,
obviously,
here
on
topography
and
existing
structures.
I
I
think
the
applicant's
note
of
putting
in
on
parcel
putting
the
sidewick
sidewalks
in
on
parcel
a
is
definitely
a
good
compromise.
Q
We
we
support
that,
and-
and
maybe
you
know
if,
if
there
is
some
significant
site
constraints
on
parcel
B
is
to
you
know,
like
I
said,
is
maybe
just
widen
out
the
shoulder
with
a
pay
surface
to
expand
that
Bikeway.
Q
B
K
R
B
The
reason
I
asked
Ben
is,
if
we're
talking
about
you,
know
this
right.
If
we're
talking
about
drainage
like
a
curb
and
gutter,
we
can't
lose
sight
the
fact
that
the
curb
and
gutter
has
to
drain
somewhere
right.
So
if
we're
going
to
raise
and
I
think,
we
would
all
agree
that,
if
we're
going
to
add
a
pedestrian
facility
on
on
Hill
Road
of
all
the
roads
in
this
town,
it
should
be
a
raised
sidewalk.
B
R
Think
I
mean
while
five
foot
may
fit
there.
My
my
concern
is:
where
is
the
same
as
you
brought
up,
which
is
where
the
water
goes,
because
we
can
catch
it.
Achd
requires
us
to
either
keep
that
in
the
right
of
way
right
in
the
seepage
bed.
Right
put
it
on
one
of
the
private
Lots
right,
the
one
on
with
all
of
the
improvements
on
it,
there's
limited
space
for
that,
which
is
why
we
were
looking
at.
R
R
I
still
think
that
back
slope
is
going
to
be
challenging
with
the
drop
down
from
sidewalk,
where
that
garage
is
I,
mean
I,
say
it'll
fit
it's
probably
about
two
feet:
three
feet
of
space
there,
so
I
think
it's
we're
still
looking
at
retaining
walls
right
right,
you
know
and
if,
if
the
compromised
condition
that
we've
just
talked
about
of
detached
sidewalk
or
a
tap
sidewalk
along
the
western
portion,
there's
obviously
a
lot
more
opportunity
to
catch
and
put
that
that
water
somewhere
for
achd
that
it's
accessible
for
them,
and
you
know,
especially
if
there's
a
planter
strip,
because
we
could
put
it
in
a
subsurface
bed
in
that
planter
strip.
J
D
J
I
guess
the
way
this
discussion
is
going
is,
is
we're
recognizing
the
difficult
nature
of
the
topography
and
how
the
this
is
likely
not
to
get
developed
because
of
the
cost
of
that
topography
and
the
improvements
required.
So
my
question,
I
guess
to
the
city,
is:
what's
where
do
you
measure
the
topography
impact
I
mean
is?
Is
it
a
six
foot
drop
off
that
says?
J
Okay,
that's
too
much
and
we're
gonna
wave
this
requirement,
or
is
it
a
three
foot
drop
off
or
is
it
a
two
foot
drop
off
I
think
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
parameters
if
it's
20-foot
drop
off.
Obviously
we
would
wait
for
achd
to
improve
someday
and
build
an
elevated,
cantilever
bike
Lane
right,
but
this
is
kind
of
I'm
struggling
for
some
clarity
on
a
black
or
aligned
draws
for
policy.
B
Q
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commissioner
I
believe
that
is
correct
on
the
railing
so
and
I.
Think
when,
like
I
think
if
you
have
a
retaining
wall
four
feet
in
height,
then
it
has
to
be
engineered
at
that
point
too.
So
maybe,
if
you're
looking
for,
because
it's
actually
retaining
and
holding
back
the
surcharge,
I
think
if
you're
trying
to
figure
out
a
place
to
sort
of
draw
the
line,
maybe
a
four
foot
might
be
doing
it
just
because
of
the
engineering
involved.
At
that
point,.
R
Real
quick,
so
Mr,
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
the
the
code,
the
in
the
front
setback,
retaining
walls
have
to
be
three
feet
or
less,
or
else
they
require
variance,
so
that
would
be
would
fall
within
the
front
setback.
T
B
D
B
G
Chairman
no
so
to
answer
commissioner
John's
question:
we
have
as
much
guidance
on
the
things
you
were
asking
as
we
do
on
any
variance,
which
is
basically
you
know,
unusual
conditions
or
a
funny
shape
that
would
result
in
substantial
hardship
or
inequity,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
So
there's
no,
you
know
it's
like
a
variance.
D
D
Q
Mr
chair
members
of
commission,
it
wouldn't
impact
the
the
sidewalk
per
se
if
they
had
lands.
If
it
was
a
detest
and
they're
putting
a
landscape
buffer
and
then
it
would
dictate
the
size
landscape
offer
in
the
class
one
trees,
they
might
have
to
move
the
power
lines
depending
on
where
the
side
lock
goes
on.
Edwards
to
to
install
it.
I
don't
know
where
those
poles
are
located.
B
B
G
Waiver
so
you're,
so
here
here's
what
I
want
to
try
and
do.
However,
we
need
to
frame
it.
Five
foot
sidewalks
attached
the
whole
shooting
match
all
the
frontage,
both
streets.
That's
my
proposal,
so
I
move.
We
approve
the
waiver,
because
this
is
a
difference
from
the
seven
foot
detached
that
the
city
had
proposed.
I.
Think
Crystal.
B
A
Chair,
it
would
be
an
approve
or
a
denial
of
the
waiver
and
a
modification
to
staff's
recommendations,
recommendations.
G
It's
just
too
important
right.
This
is
a
really
important
piece
of
the
city.
We've
talked
about
Hill
Road,
the
economic
pressure
I.E,
the
land
value
along
Hill
Road
is
going
to
go
up
and
up
and
up
so
the
money
to
do
this
has
to
come
from
somewhere.
I
wish
the
city
and
the
you
know
the
various
you
know:
governmental
Transit,
funding
pots
of
money
could
help,
but
right
now
we
can't
do
that
and
I
don't
want
to
get
the
city
in
a
position
where
we
lose
any
opportunities
along
Hill
Road.
D
F
Be
curious
to
hear
what
the
other
Commissioners
think,
but
it
is
really
hard
to
think
about
ignoring
the
opportunity
to
sidewalk
to
Hill
Road,
so
right
now,
I'm
leaning
in
favor
of
the
motion
and
certainly
seconded
it
right
away.
Just
for
the
conversation.
B
Well,
I'll
jump
in
I,
I
agree
with
the
motion.
I
think
the
one
question
I
have
for
all
the
reasons
stated
in
all
the
discussion
you
know:
Hill
Road
is
an
important
Road
I.
Think
a
five
foot
attached
is
a
reasonable
concession,
I'm
thinking
of
other
projects,
we've
recently
approved
further
downhill,
Road
subdivisions,
for
example,
that
are
fully
detached
planter
strips
you
know
the
whole
nine
right
now
side
conditions
here
are
much
different
in
a
lot
more
constraints
to
work
with
I.
B
Think
the
one
question
I'd
like
to
get
some
clarification
from
the
motion
you're
on
is:
do
we
want
to
give
the
applicant
some
leeway
to
make
that
sidewalk
at
grade,
if
need
be,
so
eliminate
the
curb
and
gutter
I'm
thinking
along
the
Eastern
portion
or
as
you're
you're
trying
to
stick
to
the
the
raised
sidewalk,
which
I
would
agree,
is
the
better
pedestrian
environment
absolutely.
G
Because
you've
got
big
groups
of
bikers
whizzing
down
that
thing,
adding
a
curve
by
the
way,
isn't
so
great
for
them.
So
it's
a
trade,
but
until
the
city
and
the
and
and
the
developer
and
the
landowner
comes
back
with
a
better
idea.
You
know
I've
got
the
code.
I
have
yep
and
I
do
think.
The
ray
sidewalk
is
important
or
like
what
are
you
really
doing
right
right?
No.
G
T
Sure
yeah,
so
one
idea
that
kind
of
came
to
mind
yeah,
because
that
kind
of
Western
parcel
there's
the
opportunity
to
add.
You
know
a
detached
sidewall,
because
it's
being
developed
as
kind
of
a
clean
slit
at
that
point.
What
if
the
sidewalk
was
contingent
on
building
permits?
So
if
this
Eastern
parcel
ever
went
for
building
permit
the
sidewalk
at
that
time
would
be
required.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
do?
That
means
that
you
know
if
you
had
to
replace
the
garage
the
garage
is
going.
Is
that
something
that
we
can
do.
T
T
And
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
any
sense,
I'm
more
open
to
thoughts
and
feel
free
to
disagree
completely,
but
just
I
think
it
could
give
some
flexibility
to
get
the
sidewalk
when
this
Western
parcel
is
being
built
and
potentially
get
something
a
little
bit
better
when
the
if
the
Eastern
has
ever
rebuilt.
But
that
could
be
years
from
now
too.
So.
There's
there's
kind
of
a
benefit.
D
G
So
I
don't
even
know
how
to
answer
that,
because
I
don't
think
code
contemplates
that
so
in
a
sense,
we're
I
don't
know
if
we
can
add
a
condition
to
the
planning
director's
decision
in
a
waiver
request.
It
sounds
complicated,
so
I
won't
support
that
I'd
also
point
out
that
I'd
like
to
see
Edward
Street
sidewalked
as
much
as
possible
right
away
and
so
I'd
like
to
get
that
done.
J
Mooney
yeah
reading
the
code
again
and
just
back
commissioner
Gillespie's
comments
about
unusual
conditions,
unusual
size
or
shape.
I.
Think
all
those
are
you
know,
borderline
and
subjective
on
our
part
somewhat,
but
I'm
I'm,
leaning
towards
supporting
the
motion,
but
I'd
also
like
to
throw
out
a
crazy
idea
that
for
the
applicant
commissioner,
Gillespie
threw
me
under
the
bus
regarding
the
bike
Lane
right
at
the
beginning,
so
to
speak.
So
here's
my
crazy
ideas
can't
AC
can't
we
approach
achd
and
talk
about
this
streetscape
entirely
and
say:
hey!
J
Look,
let's
narrow
the
vehicle
lanes
for
gosh
sakes
to
get
some
relief
on
the
topography
on
your
on
the
property
side,
because
we're
basically
prioritizing
Motor
Vehicles
over
this
over
this
parcelowner
and
and
pedestrians
in
that
area.
B
J
B
All
right,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
motion.
Then
we've
got
a
motion
to
deny
with
changes,
as
noted
by
commissioner
Gillespie,
and
the
second
was
by
commissioner
Stead.
Will
the
clerk
please.
D
D
L
B
Okay
staff
I
believe
Crystal.
Word.
Item
number
seven:
does
that
sound
about
right,
very
good:
okay,
I'm
number:
seven
car
23-11
in
cup,
23-11
Hawkins
company
at
2100,
West,
Kootenai
Street.
This
is
a
rezone
of
approximately
1.14
Acres
from
LOD
to
rod
and
then
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
restaurant
use
associated
with
a
mixed
use.
Development
of
one
point
for
one
acres
in
a
pending
Rod
Zone,
there's
also
a
height
exception,
included
in
the
application,
we're
going
to
start
with
Staff,
first
and
David
Mosher
again,
Mr.
T
B
B
Q
B
Q
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
restaurant
associated
with
a
mixed
use,
development
and
a
height
exception
on
point
one
point:
four
one:
Acres
located
at
2100,
West,
Kootenai
Street,
a
rezone,
the
property
from
LOD
limited
office,
design
review
to
Rod
residential
office
of
design
review
is
also
included.
As
you
can
see,
from
the
aerial
photograph.
The
property
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
Federal
Way
and
Kootenai
Street,
and
the
Federal
Way
multi
multi-use,
Pathways
adjacent
to
the
east.
This
neighborhood
contains
a
mix
of
commercial
office
and
residential
uses.
Q
The
development
is
comprised
of
a
four
and
five
story:
building
ranging
in
height
from
49
feet
along
Pico,
Street
and
59
feet
all
high
along
Federal
Way.
The
building
is
proposed
to
contain
120
dwelling
units
with
structured
parking
and
amenities.
The
project
density
is
85
units,
an
acre
which
is
allowed
in
the
RO
Zone.
In
addition,
the
project
includes
a
height
exception
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
the
approximately
2
000
square,
foot,
restaurant
or
Cafe
use
located
at
the
intersection
of
federal
and
Kootenai.
Q
It
is
also
the
project
is
also
similar
to
what
is
anticipated
to
develop
in
the
area.
The
new
modern
zoning
code,
which
was
just
approved
by
Council
a
few
weeks
ago,
anticipates
or
are
actually
slots
this
area
as
being
rezoned
to
MX3,
which
anticipates
a
mixed-use
high
high
density
development,
with
buildings
up
to
70
feet
in
height.
In
summary,
it
complies
with
all
the
required
findings
for
the
development
code.
Q
It
meets
the
required
setback,
which
includes
modulating
the
building
wall
along
the
street
frontages
as
Allowed
by
the
RO
Zone,
and
provides
the
required
amount
of
parking
and
bike
parking
within
the
structured
parking
garage.
It
locates
the
commercial
uses
at
arterial,
roadways
and
activates
all
the
building
street
frontages
with
residential
lobby
area,
bike,
storage
and
Commercial
uses,
and
that
which,
which
is
approximately
over
60
percent
of
the
of
the
street
oriented
building
facade
which
has
been
activated
in
this
way.
Q
The
height
of
the
building
has
been
stepped
down
to
49
feet
along
Pica,
Street
adjacent
to
the
residential
homes,
which
will
reduce
the
building's
impact
on
these
residential
neighborhoods,
and
then
it
steps
up
to
59
feet
along
a
Federal
Way
from
these
elevations.
You
can
see
that
the
proposed
you
can
see
the
proposed
of
building
facades
along
the
street
frontages
and
how
they've
been
approved,
and
you
can
also
see
how
the
building
has
stepped
down
along
the
western
portion
adjacent
to
the
residential
homes
to
the
West.
Q
The
planning
team
has
received
late
correspondence
from
the
highway
district
and
the
Boise
City
Public
Works
Solid
Waste.
The
project
is
proposing
a
service
drive
along
the
Northwest
side
of
the
property
which
connects
Pico,
Street
and
Federal
Way.
The
proposed
Federal
Way
access
point
is
will
be
restricted
to
write
in
right
out
only
by
the
applicant.
Q
However,
ACC
is
prohibiting
all
access
onto
Federal
Way,
because
it's
an
arterial,
roadway
and
its
proximity
to
a
signalized
intersection
prohibiting
this
access
point
affects
the
solid
waste
pickup
and
access
to
the
site,
and
these
impacts
are
discussed
within
their
memo
and
which
was
submitted
as
late
correspondence.
As
such,
the
planning
team
recommends
the
rezone
and
the
conditions
be
approved
with
an
additional
condition
of
approval,
as
stated
here,
this
condition
would
require
the
applicant
to
work
with
the
agencies
and
find
a
solution
prior
to
submitting
the
design
of
your
application.
Q
The
planning
team
did
receive
public
comments,
which
included
letters
of
both
support
and
opposition
to
the
project.
As
for
the
letters
of
opposition,
the
neighbor's
concerns
involved
three
main
points,
traffic
and
parking
density
and
Building
height.
To
address
these
concerns,
I
would
note
that
the
that
the
high
density
residential
is
appropriate
in
this
site
location
due
to
its
presence
along
arterial
roadways
with
public
transit.
Q
In
summary,
or
in
conclusion,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
the
rezone
and
the
conditional
use,
with
the
height
exception,
with
the
additional
condition,
as
noted.
Thank
you.
U
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Ethan
Mansfield
with
Hawkins
companies,
855
West,
Broad
Street,
thanks
Dave
I.
First
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
working
through
this
application
with
us.
We
worked
through
some
of
the
some
changes
that
they
recommended
and
I
think
it
yielded
a
pretty
nice
product,
so
just
appreciate
them
working
on
it
with
us
yep.
U
So
this
is
a
rezone
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
120
120
multi-family
units
with
200
square
feet
of
commercial
space
at
1105,
South,
Federal,
Way,
AKA,
2100
Kootenay,
so
we're
asking
for
a
rezone
to
achieve
the
height
and
density
required
for
a
120
unit,
multi-family
project
with
Podium
parking
on
a
Subterranean
and
first
floor.
U
Our
proposed
density
is
about
85
units
per
acre
and
our
proposed
height,
as
Dave
mentioned,
is
49
feet
on
Pico
59
feet
on
Federal
Way
and
Kootenai
we're
asking
for
a
height
exception,
because
the
RO
zone
is
limited
to
45
feet
when
it's
adjacent
to
single
family,
residential
or
any
residential
Zone,
and
the
cup
is
also
for
a
bakery
cafe,
coffee
shop
use.
U
As
Dave
noted.
This
does
comply
with
the
comprehensive
plan
because
it
is
less
than
1.5
acres
in
size.
I
think
there
are
15
policies
listed
here.
I
counted
26
policies
in
my
letter,
so
this
I
think
we
think
this
is
exactly
what
the
city
wants
here,
especially
considering
that
the
proposed
area
is
slated
for
MX3,
which
is
unlimited
density
in
a
70
foot
height.
U
Notably.
The
code
also
suggests
that
at
least
60
of
street
frontages
should
be
activated
with
the
changes.
We
propose
that
staff
recommended
with
our
site
plan,
we're
closer,
probably
to
70
and
50
of
the
Federal
Way
Frontage
is,
is
activated
so
here's
a
little
site
plan
of
the
first
floor,
the
commercial
areas
here
you
can
see,
importantly,
that
we've
got
walk-up
units
here
to
help
create
a
pedestrian
Vibe
over
here
on
Pico
Street.
U
We
did
not
want
to
just
create
a
parking
structure
here
or
just
something
that
you
know
like
a
parking
garage
entrance.
For
example,
what
we
wanted
to
do
instead
is
provide
this
little
Alleyway
private
service
Drive
deal
with
a
write-in
right
out
on
Federal
Way
to
serve
trash,
potentially
fire,
the
jury,
salon
and
weather
fire.
U
Really
needs
this
I
think
it
makes
it
more
efficient
for
fire
access
and
then
it
also
allows
vehicles
a
little
more
flexibility,
so
they
don't
have
to
go
in
and
then
out
on
Pico
Street
we'll
talk
about
this
right
and
right
out
a
little
more
extensively
in
a
second
here's.
What
we're
proposing
the
project
to
look
like
you
can
see
on
Pico
Street,
there's
that
49
foot
it
drops
down
to
four
stories:
an
active
Street
Frontage.
U
So
this
is
a
detached
five
foot,
sidewalk
detached
10
foot
sidewalk
over
here
on
Kootenay
and
a
detached
10
foot
sidewalk
over
here
on
Federal
Way
with
Street
trees,
I
think
it's
a
pretty
cool
project.
Frankly,
so
let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
right
hand.
Hideout
access
on
Federal,
Way
and
I
I,
just
I
know
that
achd
typically
rules
on
these
things
and
I
understand
that.
But
I
I
think
that
it's
important
for
the
commission
to
understand
the
context
and
we'll
learn
why
in
just
just
a
few
minutes.
U
So
this
kind
of
started
in
December
when
we
were
kind
of
drafting
up
the
conceptual
plan
for
how
this
thing
was
going
to
look
so
I
sent
this
big
email
saying
Hey,
look
I
understand
that
this
is
not
exactly
compliant
with
achg
policy.
Can
we
talk
about
it?
I
just
want
to
understand
what
achg's
feeling
on
it
is.
What
do
we
need
to
do
to
help
you
help
us?
How
can
you
know
just
to
start
a
dialogue?
U
So,
a
couple
months
later
we
got
an
email
from
achd
that
said,
achg
doesn't
prove
pre-approved
access,
points
or
Street
cross
sections.
We
need
a
development
application,
so
we
went
with
what
we
wanted
to
propose
and
we
submitted
that
to
the
city
of
Boise
on
March
7th.
U
So,
let's
fast
forward
about
six
months,
I
guess
it's
four
months.
So
four
business
days
before
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
hearing
four
business
days
ago,
we
received
the
staff
report
from
achd.
That's
why
it's
in
late
correspondence-
and
they
said
we
are
not
going
to
allow
this
right
and
write
out
and
they
say
if
another
access
is
desired,
then
the
applicant
should
construct
a
driveway
onto
Pico
Street,
located
a
minimum
of
150
feet,
Northwest
of
Kootenai
okay.
So
what
does
that
look
like?
Well,
it
basically
trash.
U
It
orients
buildings,
with
an
emphasis
on
the
character
and
safety
of
The
Pedestrian
realm.
It
incorporates
alleys
where
feasible
is
a
means
of
Shifting
garage
and
parking
access
away
from
primary
streets,
allowing
for
narrower
cross-sections
and
reducing
pedestrian
vehicle
conflicts.
It
enhances
the
character
of
a
street
Frontage,
it
provides
concentrated
access
points,
it
minimizes
the
placement
of
garages
along
the
block
face
of
residential
streets,
and
it
supports
new
development
with
mixed-use
patterns
that
are
conducive
to
walking
and
biking
by
minimizing
conflict
with
vehicles.
U
We've
also
proposed
that,
if
the,
if
the
site
to
the
north
redevelops,
we
would
allow
cross
access
to
this
service
drive
so
that
there
would
be
no
other
requests
for
access
to
Federal
Way,
and
it's
notable
that
Public
Works
solid
waste,
the
fire
department
and
other
City
departments
do
support
this
current
proposal.
U
So
does
rtis,
and
it's
notable
here
we're
looking
at
site
access
a
you
can
see
here
that
at
the
peak
am
traffic,
a
vehicle
would
turn
onto
Federal
Way
every
once
every
four
minutes
from
the
site,
so
a
on
to
Federal
Way
from
the
site
once
every
four
minutes,
and
then
the
afternoon
a
vehicle
will
turn
into
the
development
from
Federal
Way.
Once
every
five
minutes
and
the
traffic
study
recommends
two
access
points
for
this
site.
In
either
scenario
a
new
site
access
would
be
required
to
be
constructed.
U
U
So
here
it
is
again
operationally
functional
and
safe.
So
if
we
restrict
access
on
the
Federal
Way,
we
are
kind
of
ignoring
many
of
the
goals
and
the
policies
of
the
city.
The
comprehensive
plan
is
basically
ignored
in
favor
of
this
strict
requirement
of
a
400
foot
separation
from
a
signalized
intersection
to
a
driveway
Solid
Waste
doesn't
support
this
change
and
mentions
in
their
memo
quite
a
few
challenges
that
we
might
face
with
the
new
design,
and
it
should
be
noted
this
isn't
context
sensitive.
U
U
So
the
achd
implication
here
is
that
the
burden
of
proof
to
deviate
from
the
policy
is
not
to
demonstrate
that
the
proposal
is
operational
and
safe,
because
we've
already
done
that.
But
the
burden
of
proof
is
to
demonstrate
that
access
off
of
Pico
Street
alone
is
impossible,
unsafe
or
not
operational
I'm,
suggesting
that
maybe
a
write-in
right
out
on
Federal
Way,
if
it
is
in
fact
safe
and
operational,
is
actually
better
for
the
community.
Other
agencies
and
the
project.
B
Ethan
we're
down
to
a
minute
in
20.,
yep
I,
don't
know
of
anybody
appeared
to
argue
with
you
about
the
writing
to
write
out
that's
an
issue
with
achd
can
I,
maybe
pivot
you
back
to
the
rest
of
the
project
and
talk
about
the
weather,
the
good
things
that
you're
doing
with
the
project
and
maybe
the
bigger
picture.
Because
I
don't
know
if
I
mean
I,
think
we're
probably
kind
of
to
somebody
sympathetic
about
the.
U
Don't
want
I,
don't
want
to
burn
all
your
time,
I'm
right
here,
okay,
I'm
right
here,
so
you've
read
the
HC
staff
report.
They
do
not
discuss
the
comp
plan
or
land
use
policies
in
their
recommendations
and
they're,
based
on
a
strict
application
of
achie
policy,
no
sensitivity
to
City
goals
and
objectives.
Okay.
Why
is
that?
Well,
this
is
the
standard
note
found
on
every
achd
agenda.
U
U
The
ruling
or
the
the
write-up
for
the
case
says:
achd
has
no
final
authority
to
approve
or
reject
the
applicant's
proposed
development.
The
Commissioners
had
the
final
authority
to
approve
or
reject
the
development
and
to
decide
what
conditions,
if
any,
to
oppose
when
granting
approval.
So
what
I'm
asking
tonight
is
you
need
to
make
this
finding
proposed?
Use
will
not
place
an
undue
burden.
Our
tis
has
shown
that
there's
no
operational
or
safety
concerns
and
achd
has
accepted
that
GIS
and
that's
a
requirement
for
Achu
to
issue
a
staff
report.
U
So
I
believe
you
can
make
this
finding,
because
we've
demonstrated
that
it
is
in
fact
safe
and
operational,
and
so
I'm
asking
for
a
recommendation
of
approval
for
car,
2311
and
cup
2311
to
the
city
council,
with
the
following
modification
to
amend,
condition,
5A
to
read:
Ada
County,
Highway
District,
except
conditions,
seven
and
nine
in
the
achg
staff
report,
or
any
condition
that
restricts
access
into
Federal
Way.
U
As
a
note,
there's
already
a
condition
that
restricts
a
federal
way
to
write
in
right
out
and
we're
in
agreement
of
that.
But
this
is
number
5A
here:
Ada
County,
Highway
District.
The
achc
staff
report
has
two
conditions:
seven
and
nine
that
prohibit
direct
access
to
Federal
Way.
So
with
that,
I
really
appreciate
you
sticking
around
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
No.
B
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
all
right.
As
you
know,
you
can
stick
around
here
for
a
minute.
We'll
probably
have
a
few
questions
for
you:
okay,
anybody
from
Depot
bench,
neighborhood
association,
present,
okay,
great.
V
Good
evening
Commissioners,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Pamela
Marie
I'm,
the
administrator
for
the
Depot
bench.
Neighborhood
association
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
stand
here
before
you
can.
V
I'm
at
2247,
West,
Jean,
Street,
okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Oh
thanks!
So
basically
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
talk
about
the
impact
on
our
neighborhoods.
V
V
So
to
put
in
you
know
this.
This
new
community
basically
is
going
to
impact
that
entire
section
as
part
of
the
the
rewrite
for
zoning
we've
been
here
before,
because
it
greatly
impacts
our
neighborhood.
V
V
The
Japan
parking
is
going
to
dramatically
impact
the
residents
on
Pico
Street,
the
homeowners
and
also
what
hasn't
come
up.
That
is
a
concern
is
that
there
is
an
active
railroad
track
across
the
street
from
Pico.
So,
there's
that
twice
a
day
Monday
through
Friday,
there's
a
train
that
goes
through
there
and
it's
a
it's
a
Shore
wind,
but
with
so
many
more
hopefully
pedestrians,
bicyclists
residents
in
that
neighborhood
I'd
like
to
see
a
little
more
information
on
how
train
safety
is
going
to
be
brought
up.
There
was
a
in
the
staff
recommendations.
V
There
was
a
let's
see
this
segment
based
on
the
findings
of
the
tis
staff,
does
not
recommend
any
improvements
to
CUNY
Street
between
Federal,
Way
and
Pico.
As
part
of
this
application
is,
the
roadway
segment
only
exceeds
the
threshold
by
six
vehicles
at
the
PM
peak
hour,
traffic
count
on
Pico
Street
10
cars.
That
was
the
peak.
V
So
the
other
yeah,
and
even
the
findings
for
consideration
from.
V
Pico
Street
again,
yes
from
Pico
Street,
again
traffic
volumes
on
the
street
under
design
condition
number
two
and
design
condition.
Number
three
traffic
volumes
on
the
street
are
not
forecast
to
accept
to
exceed
400
vehicle
trips
per
day
in
design
condition
number
one.
Traffic
volumes
on
the
street
shall
not
exceed
10
1
000
Vehicles
trips
per
day
and
again
we
go
back
to
the
the
most
the
peak
traffic
time.
Measured
on
the
street
was
10.
V
You
know
the
the
residents
in
our
neighborhood
association
do
have
you
know
the
the
parking
limits
and
if,
if
there
were
a
way
to
you,
know
reach
to
make
the
parking
be
residential,
so
people
who
live
on
in
those
homes
could
get
a
sticker
on
their
car,
and
that
would
you
know
like
a
downtown
areas,
BSU
areas
where
it's
set
aside
for
for
those
residents
that
might
that
might
help
you
guys
have
access
to
way
more
possibilities.
V
B
Great
thanks,
we
may
have
some
questions
you
might
just
stick
around
by
the
podium.
Thank
you.
Okay.
We'll
bring
this
item
for
any
questions
by
the
commission
to
staff
the
applicant
or
the
neighborhood
association.
W
Ia
just
had
a
question
for
David
So
under
MX3.
How
what
would
the
height
requirement
be
across
from
the
Pico
residences?
I
know
that
you
said
70
feet,
but
I
think
there
is
like
a
if
I.
Remember
correctly.
There
part
of
the
code
says
that
if
it's
across
from
residential
units,
it
does
limit
the
height
exceptions,
and
so
I
was
just
curious.
What
that
would
be?
Thank
you.
W
D
Q
W
W
Chair
I
had
a
question
yeah,
also
the
Depot
bench,
neighborhood
association,
yeah,
it's
on
just.
W
The
neighborhood
association
I
had
a
quick
question,
so
are
you
in
support
of
the
exit
and
being
off
Federal
Way?
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing.
V
G
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
you're,
basically
asking
us
to
make
a
decision
against
ACH
400
foot
policy
from
a
signalized
intersection
and
accept
243
foot
offset
or
distance.
G
Do
you
do
you
have
any
safety
data,
or
can
you
points
point
us
to
any
specific
data
that
you
have?
That
shows
that
that
would
not
create
a
you
know:
enhance
congestion
and
collision
risk
from
violating
achd's
policy.
U
Mr
chair,
commissioner
Gillespie.
We
do
have
the
tis,
which
suggests
that
it
both
functions
like
operationally,
like
there's
no
level
of
service
detriment
and
also,
in
speaking
with
Andy
Delight.
In
our
traffic
engineer,
who
who
wrote
the
report,
along
with
with
Bridger
those
two
gentlemen,
agreed
that
there
are
no
safety
risks
in
this
case
and
I've
actually
spoke
with
Andy,
and
he
is
in
the
process
of
drafting
a
memo
to
address
this
very
thing.
But
I
can
I'm
happy
to
confirm
that
so.
G
G
Your
along
your
right
of
way
that
you're
improving
and
you
know
because
because
the
question
is
going
to
be,
how
do
you
prevent
left
turns
coming
out
of
there
and
left
turns
into
there?
The
traditional
answer
is
you
put
in
Road,
Furniture
I,
don't
know
if
there's
Road
furniture
room
on
Federal
Way,
and
that
is
a
problem
for
achd,
because
I
run
into
that
crap
all
the
time
so
I'm
just
like
I'm,
very
reluctant
to
get
involved
in
these
kinds
of
issues,
because
you've
got
large
pieces
of
metal
moving
very
fast
and
I.
G
U
Don't
know
Mr
chair,
commissioner
Gillespie,
so
the
some
guy.
We
do
trust
him
because
he
is
a
PE
and
he
does
have
a
PE
Stan
that
he
risks
every
time
he
makes
a
statement
like
what
he's
making
in
our
tis
and
in
his
memo.
U
So
in
addition
to
the
PE
stamp
that
he
stands
behind,
we've
also
spoken
with
achd
and
we've
agreed
to
base
to
to
install
the
necessary
means
to
control
that
intersection
to
a
write-in
right
out.
Dawn
battles
asks
you
know
what.
How
are
you
proposing
to
restrict
that?
U
And
we
said
well,
it
hasn't
been
approved
or
denied
yet
so
we
haven't
gotten
there
and
so
because
we
got
it
only
for
because
we
got
the
denial
four
days
before
you
know
we
we
are
absolutely
open
to
looking
at
any
option
right,
like
I
mean
I'm,
assuming
it's
going
to
be
like
a
median
like
a
raised
media
and
we're
leading
that
to
our
engineer
to
design
in
the
next
in
the
next
phase
of
of
this
of
this
project
and
we're
we're
happy
to
comply
with
those
conditions.
So
Mr.
G
So
I'm,
looking
at
the
report,
show
me
the
part
of
the
report
where
it
says
in
their
judgment.
This
is
safe
for
a
write-in
right
out
like
what
page
on
this
very
long
report
like
I,
see
the
page
where
it
talks
about
the
number
of
people
turning
right,
but
I
want
to
see
where
it
says.
In
our
opinion,
this
would
be
S
safe,
so
I'm
unpaid.
Is
it
page?
You
know
what
page
is
it
basically
so.
U
Mr
chair
commissioner
Gillespie.
This
section
here
summarizes
the
recommendations
here,
so
they
recommended
that
this
is
the
best
option
for
accessing
our
site.
Okay,.
L
D
G
L
Q
Mr
chairman,
remember
the
commission,
to
answer
commissioner
fanfox
question
regarding
the
building
height
in
the
MX3
with
the
new
modern
zoning
code.
It
does
restrict
the
hype
when
it's
adjacent
to
an
R2
or
R3
Zone.
The
subject
property
is
currently
including
the
residential
homes
across
the
street
are
currently
Lo
and
the
entire
site,
including
the
residential
homes
across
the
street,
will
go
MX3.
So
there
is
no
height
restriction
in
the
modern
zoning
code.
Q
Mr
Chairman's,
commissioner
frame,
you
are
correct
in
come
December
in
the
adoption
of
the
code,
then
they
could
go
up
to
70
feet.
Okay,.
D
G
Mr
chairman
yeah,
please,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
point
of
process
where
we're
at.
G
So
so
there's
a
condition
that
the
city
has
suggested.
We
add
that
requires
the
applicant
to
work
this
out
with
the
achd
and
meet
whatever
achd's
final
requirements
are
before
submitting
to
design
review.
So
the
city's
current
Proposal
with
this
permit
is
that
we
approve
it
with
that
condition
and
that
we
won't
see
it
again.
It'll
go
to
design
review.
G
The
other
option
is
we.
We
tell
these
guys.
You've
got
to
work
this
out
with
achd
and
we
defer
it,
and
then
it
comes
back
to
us.
So
the
question
is:
do
we
want
a
lot
of
control?
Are
we
willing
to
let
it
go,
and
let
you
just
let
the
city
and
design
review
make
sure
that
the
whole
Pico
Street
access
thing
is
resolved.
D
B
W
U
Mr
chairman
commissioner
finfrock
yeah
I
I,
mean
I.
Think
the
the
issue
is,
you
know,
we'd
like
to
construct
this
and
waiting
to
December.
First,
you
know
further
delays
the
construction
project.
We
think
this
complies
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
think
it
complies
with
all
of
the
all
of
the
relevant
policy
goals
of
the
city,
and
so
we
were
prepared
to
submit
it
now.
U
We
would
request
recommendation
on
the
rezone,
because
there's
no
a
development
agreement
attached
to
it,
so
the
rezone
itself
simply
allows
for
the
density
that
we're
asking
for,
and
that
gives
us
a
little
security
as
developers
that
we,
yes,
we
can,
in
fact
you
know,
develop
to
this
intensity,
if
not
yet
the
height
that
we're
asking
for
okay
and
therefore
that
would
allow
us
to
bring
another
plan
in
front
of
you.
If,
in
fact,
you
did
choose
to
defer
yeah.
We
obviously
would
appreciate
the
recommendation
that
I
shared
earlier,
but.
T
How
much
it's
400
feet
from
the
signalized
intersection
to
the
first
driveway,
this
building
is
200
feet
and
that's
just
the
building.
How
big
of
a
difference
are
we
actually
talking
here.
T
T
T
T
J
So
to
some
of
the
discussion,
so
this
question
for
I
think
Ethan
the
applicant
the
discussion
about
tis
and
commissioner
Gillespie's
questioning
about.
Where
can
we
point
to
some
documented
evidence?
J
U
On
that
yeah
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Mooney,
that
is
a
great
question
and
when
I
saw
that
I
picked
up
the
phone
and
called
Don
battles
and
I
asked
Don
what
additional
information
would
you
like
to
see
from
our
engineer
to
make
you
comfortable
with
this,
and
she
told
me
we
don't
actually
need
any
additional
information.
It's
just
not
400
feet,
so
we
are
not
going
to
recommend
approval.
J
So
when
ACH
dab
because
I've
asked
this
question
many
times
both
from
that
chair
and
up
here
when
achd
staff
in
military
terms,
the
iron
Majors
on
the
achd
staff
state
that
achd
policy
discourages
this,
but
yet
City
Vision
clearly
encourages
this.
Do
we
go
staff
to
staff
here.
Q
That
being
said,
I
mean
we
can
definitely
encourage
them
to
consider
our
vision
and
our
comprehensive
plan
and
our
policies
and
what
we
want,
but
it's
really
up
to
them
to
facilitate
their
policy
manual
and
how
they
want
to
see
it.
So
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
you
know
they
they
ultimately
get
the
call
on
how
they
interpret
their
policy.
Sure.
J
Thanks
David
So
Paul
Mr
chair,
so
my
question
is:
achd
policy
discourages
this.
The
question
for
staff
is:
was
this
ever
elevated
to
achd
commission?
Did
the
iron
major
keep
it
in
the
staff
and
never
elevate
it
or
not?.
Q
G
Is
a
point
of
information
I
think
we
should
go
ahead
and
hear
this
thing
through
vote
and
not
defer
it,
because,
let's
just
get
everything
on
the
table,
make
our
vote
and
then
there's
a
condition
in
there.
So
I
know
it's
not
a
question,
but
I
think
we
should
keep
going.
B
S
B
W
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
The
neighborhood
association
mentioned
like
a
residential
parking
requirement
along
I,
think
it
was
Pico
and
I
was
just
wondering.
Do
we
have
the
ability
to
even
condition
that
from
PNC
or
is
that
something
that
again
is
within
the
discretion
of
achd.
Q
Mr
Mr
chair
members,
commission
actually
I
think
that
would
be
through
the
clerk's
office,
a
residential
parking
permit
and
districts,
that's
something
they
would
need
to
talk
to
our
clerk's
office.
You
see
them
down
in
the
downtown
area
where,
but
that
would-
and
we
can
we've
made
that
recommendation
on
on
other
projects
that
they
work
with
the
clerk's
office
on
establishing
those.
D
W
Please
follow
up
on
that,
then,
should
we
add
it
as
a
condition
to
make
the
recommendation
for
this
or
I'm
sorry?
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting.
Q
Mr
chair
members
of
commission,
you
could
add,
is
that
a
recommendation
that
the
the
the
applicant
pursue,
or
this
or
the
neighborhood
pursue
a
parking
District.
But
it's
ultimately
the
clerks
of
opinion
or
it's
in
their
preview
to
granted
or
not
so.
H
Mr
chair
just
real
quick
here,
commissioner.
H
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
staff
or
David
I'm,
just
looking
at
page
377
on
the
packet
and
the
verbage
in
here
says:
achd
policy
manual,
section
7205.4.7
outline
spacing
guidelines
onto
principal
arterial
roadways
is
that
is
the
word
guidelines,
selective
by
Kittleson,
or
is
that
what
they
are
because
we
a
guideline
is
different
than
a
policy?
A
guideline
is
well,
we
think
it
should
be.
This
policy
is.
This
is
the
way
it's
done.
Do
we
know
if
it's
a
guideline
or
if
it's
a
policy.
Q
Mr,
chair
of
members
of
commission
I'm
trying
to
is,
if
that's
taken
out
of
the
achd
project
report
or
the
Kittleson.
This.
Q
Oh,
the
Kittleson
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
a
direct
quote
from
the
policy
manual
from
the
highway
district,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
what
they're
talking
about.
J
But
a
question
for
the
applicant
then
that
when
the
tis
was
contracted
for
it
sounds
like
what
I
read
in
the
package
was
developed
based
on
achd
requests
during
discussions
with
the
developer.
So
all
the
effort
that
this
professional
engineer
took
to
develop
this
tis
at
Kittleson
accounted
for
that
Aid.
That
federally
access
point
number
a
that's
studied,
and
that
was
known
long
time
ago
before
this
is
that
true
I
I
guess?
My
question
is:
why
did
achd
ignore
the
fact
that
they
charted
this
study.
U
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney.
That
is
a
great
question
for
a
CHD.
My
answer
would
be
that
you
know
eight
we
reached
out
to
achd
early
on
when
we
had
a
concept
bubble
plan.
U
We
asked
them
whether
or
not
a
tis
would
be
required
and
what
we
would
need
to
provide
to
show
that
this
access
right
in
right
out
of
access
worked,
and
they
said
an
Abridged
tis
would
be
required,
which
is
what
we
provided,
and
an
access
analysis
would
also
be
required,
showing
that
it
is
in
fact
safe
and
operational.
D
D
B
Okay,
guys
any
more
questions.
Hopefully
we
can
move
on.
We
can
move
on.
Okay,
all
right,
we're
gonna
move
on
Ethan.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
we'll
see.
We
have
public
testimony.
No
one
signed
up
ahead
of
time.
Do
you
like
to
testify
in
person
here
come
on
up?
Please
start
your
name
and
address.
You
have
three
minutes.
X
Karen
Moore
one
zero,
zero,
seven
South
Pico
Street,
so
I'm
one
of
the
little
houses
on
Pico
Street.
There
are
five
of
us
that
are
single
family.
The
one
on
the
corner
of
Kootenay
is
multi-family,
I,
think
it's
I,
don't
know,
maybe
four
or
five
units
in
there,
but
small
single
level.
My
house
is
about
900
square
feet,
and
so
are
the
other
houses
on
that
street.
So
I'm
not
opposed
to
this
project.
I
actually
actually
like
the
idea
of
it.
X
Who
doesn't
want
a
coffee
house
right
down
from
their
their
house,
but
I
do
think.
The
density
is
a
little
much
I
feel
like
the
five
stories,
even
though
they
did
modify
it
to
be
four
on
the
side
of
Pico.
I
still
think
it's
a
little
too
high.
You
know
I
I'm,
realistic
about
the.
What
where
we
need
to
develop
in
Boise
for
housing,
so
I
mean
I,
do
understand
the
need
for
that
I'm.
Actually
in
support
of
the
write-in
right
out.
X
So
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
at
all
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I,
like
the
idea
of
attaching
the
residential
parking.
I
wrote
a
letter
back
in
December
or
sorry,
November
and
I
felt
that
that
would
be
a
very
good
idea,
because
there
is
very
limited
parking
on
Pico
right
now
and
the
street
is
quite
narrow.
We
have
no
sidewalks.
We
have
no
curves
nothing,
so
that
would
be
great
I
just
want
to
also
mention
that
we
you
did
approve,
at
least
at
this
level.
X
I,
don't
know
where
it
is
now
in
the
process
and
85
unit
complex
behind
that
railroad
track,
so
behind
Pico
in
that
little
triangle
area
between
the
tracks
there.
So
that's
what,
through
two
and
a
half
to
three
stories,
85
units
there,
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
go
down,
Vista,
who
are
in
and
out
of
that,
but
some
are
going
to
come
out
into
Kootenay
and
go
on
to
Federal
Way
as
well,
and
so
just
to
keep
in
mind.
X
That
is
also
going
to
add
some
volume
for
the
traffic,
probably
not
only
just
car
traffic,
but
also
pedestrian
and
bike
traffic
in
and
out
of
that
area.
That's
really
all
I
wanted
to
say:
okay.
D
B
Okay,
let's
see
we
have
a
couple
hands
up:
Bruce
mastorovich,
hey!
You
can
hear
me.
Y
We
can
hello
all
right.
My
name
is
Bruce
masorovich
I
live
at
450,
West,
Grove,
Street
and
I.
Think
this
looks
like
a
pretty
good
project.
I
live
downtown,
but
I
work
very
close
to
Micron,
so
I
commute
this
intersection
pretty
regularly,
both
by
bike
and
by
car
I
think
yeah.
We
got
Federal
Way
right
there,
which
would
support
some
of
the
density.
Y
It's
yeah,
probably
the
nicest
bike
route
in
the
city
outside
of
the
green
belt,
sometimes
I
drive
home
and
the
traffic
on
Federal
Way
is
pretty
bad
until
I
get
to
scootenay
and
there's
really
not
much
going
north
of
that
intersection.
So
I
think
that
that
turning
lane
that
extra
curb
cutter,
whatever
is
probably
going
to
be
fine
I
mean
if
you
look
west
of
or
west
of
federal,
there's
really
just
the
railroad
tracks.
Y
As
you
go
north
this
proposed
project,
so
I
don't
see
it
having
kind
of
the
same
rules
that
apply
to
the
rest
of
the
state.
Y
Let's
see
yeah
I
think
yeah
a
lot
of
the
the
rush
hour
traffic.
It
kind
of
splits
off
either
a
gallon
going
on
the
highway
or
in
Ferguson
or
Kootenay
yeah
I.
Just
don't
really
see
much
going
that
way.
Y
Yeah
I
think
this
is
a
good
place
for
some
density
like
this
intersection's
got
some
of
the
best
biking,
infrastructure,
I,
think
in
the
city,
with
the
bike
path
there
and
then
Kootenai
itself
is
pretty
Pleasant
to
bike
on,
like
I,
usually
take
that
up
to
the
bench
when
I'm
going
up
there,
I
usually
ride
on
the
sidewalk,
which
isn't
ideal,
but
I
mean
it's
honestly.
It's
not
bad
I,
don't
know.
I
I
would
like
to
see
more
apartments
on
federal,
I
love
that
we've
been
building
them.
Y
Lately,
I'd
like
to
see
just
kind
of
more
density
in
that
area,
so
that
we
can
maybe
get
a
bus
route
kind
of
going
forward,
leaving
the
Micron
I,
don't
know
why
we
don't
have
one
right
now,
but
I
think
projects
like
this
are
kind
of
what
we
need
to
make
that
happen,
and
that's
it.
D
D
Z
Hi
yeah
I'm,
Alexandra,
monjar
I,
live
on
222,
West,
Kidney
street,
so
I'm
very
close
to
the
project
and
I'm
very,
very
excited
about
this
project.
I'm
excited
that
it
could
create
a
neighborhood
Gathering
space,
I'm,
really
glad
that
it
could
provide
opportunities
for
people
to
live
in
this
area,
which
has
great
Mobility
options
and
it's
in
close
proximity
to
existing
neighborhood
amenities
as
well.
I
think
the
height
exception
is
well
warranted
for
the
benefits
that
it
provides
to
the
project.
Z
Z
Z
Addressing
some
of
the
concerns
that
neighbors
have
had
saying.
This
is
out
of
character
with
the
neighborhood
there's.
Actually,
a
five-story
office
really
not
far
to
the
south
of
this
project
on
Federal
and
I'm,
also
in
favor
of
as
it
appears,
the
commission
is
considering
encouraging
the
achd
to
approve
the
write
and
write
out
access
on
federal.
Z
There
is
room
on
Federal
Way
to
install
a
raised
median
or
curb,
there's
similar
treatments
nearby
on
Federal
Way,
and
that
I
believe
will
help
keep
traffic
off
of
Kootenai
Street
and
Pico
Street,
which
is
really
where
a
concern
would
be
with
regards
to
the
the
railroad-
and
you
know,
slowing
traffic
during
a
rush
hour
and
so
and
I
also
believe
that
you
know
traffic
is
better
when
we
have
people
actually
living
in
our
neighborhoods
and
not
just
people
passing
through,
which
is
proven
in
you
know
various
Clinic
studies
so
fully
in
favor
of
this
project
and
the
height
and
density
and
the
write-in
right
out.
B
U
Mr,
chair,
Commissioners
I'll
be
really
quick
in
addition
to
what
we've
already
discussed.
I
would
like
to
point
out.
You
know,
so
we
considered
this
right
in
right
out
prior
to
the
neighborhood
meeting,
but
as
we
took
this
to
the
neighborhood
meeting,
we
heard
only
things
that
would
reinforce
our
desire
to
keep
it
not
just
to
the
benefit
of
our
development,
but
for
the
benefit
of
the
community.
U
You
know
there
are
concerns
about
traffic
on
Pico
Street.
We
think
the
solution
obviously
is
to
allow
people
to
access
Federal,
Way
directly,
so
they're
not
driving
to
the
neighborhood.
K
U
All
good
I'd
also
like
to
note
that
I
am
catching
it
now.
I'm
catching
my
lights
off.
C
U
It
a
go:
okay,
I
I,
just
learned
actually
that
the
previous
application
for
this
property
was
allowed
a
write-in
right
out
onto
Federal
Way,
that
was
the
Food
Truck
Plaza
old
dogs.
That
was
approved
as
a
special
exception,
probably
two
years
ago.
Now,
so
they
they
were
in
allowed
to
write
and
write
out
by
achd
really
quickly.
Regarding
parking,
we
are
parked
at
1.6
Parks
per
unit,
which
is
above
the
code
requirement,
because
we
did
hear
the
neighbors
discussing
parking
concerns.
U
So
we
took
that
into
consideration.
U
The
average
I
have
this
on
my
presentation,
but
the
average
number
of
vehicles
per
household
in
the
two
neighborhoods
adjacent
to
this
is
1.7,
so
we
are
lower
than
that,
but
we
also
have
Studios
and
more
Studios
relative
to
three
bedrooms,
so
we
think
that's
an
appropriate
amount
to
not
overburden
the
neighborhood
with
vehicles
parking
as
part
of
our
development.
B
B
Of
course,
the
Hot
Topic
of
the
discussion
is
the
achd
condition
and
just
as
a
reminder
as
it's
written
right
now.
The
staff
report
indicates
that
the
applicant
child
plot
shall
comply
with
all
requirements
of
achd.
So.
W
W
So
I
recommend
approval
of
car,
23-11
and
approval
of
the
cup
23-11,
along
with
all
the
recommended
and
standard
conditions
of
approval.
G
Chairman
may
ask
a
motion
or
a
question
you
may
so
on
the
record.
Commissioner
finfrock
we
have
a
July
10,
let
note
from
David
adding
a
an
additional
condition
of
approval.
Does
your
motion
contemplate
including
that.
C
W
I.
Think
that
the
neighborhood
association
should
reach
out
to
the
clerk
and
try
to
get
a
parking
requirement
for
in
front
of
their
homes
and
I
I.
Think
again,
as
we
heard
tonight,
that's
probably
within
the
clerk's
discretion
to
Grant
it
and
there's
not
that
I'm,
so
I'm
not
going
to
add
that
as
a
condition,
because
I
don't
think
we
have
the
ability
to
do
so
so
as
to
the
right
in
and
write
out.
W
Achd
is
the
Deferred
to
agency
and,
as
commissioner
Gillespie
said
tonight,
we
don't
completely
understand
the
reasoning
behind
their
conditions
and
I
think
it's
hard
to
assess
the
risk
from
the
pulpit,
so
I
I'm,
not
sure
it's
even
you
know,
planning
and
zoning's
place
to
do
so.
I
think
that
the
best
path
would
be
to
appeal
to
the
commission
for
achd
and
see
how
that
moves
forward
so
yeah.
For
that
reason,
I'm
in
support
of
this
application
and
I
think
it.
This
application
will
be
a
great
addition
to
the
community.
G
Chairman
commissioner
Gillespie,
so
as
the
secondary
I'm
glad
we're
moving
forward,
I
think
it's
the
right
answer
and
I'm
looking
carefully
at
the
language
of
the
additional
condition,
and
let
me
read
the
existing
language.
This
is
again
page
two
of
two
of
David's
July
10th
letter
which
I
what
hell
that's
today
recommended
condition
of
approval.
G
The
applicant
she'll
submit
a
revised
project,
design,
IE
site
plans
and
or
floor
plans
that
complies
with
all
achd
Public
Works,
Solid,
Waste
fire
department,
design
and
access
standards
prior
to
submitting
a
design,
review
application,
I'm
kind
of
okay
with
that
and
I'm
kind
of,
not
because
I
happen
to
think
achd's,
design,
standards
and
and
policies.
Basically,
in
this
case,
don't
serve
the
city.
Well,
and
you
know
the
achd
likes
to
create
fast-moving
rivers
of
cars.
That's
what
they
do.
G
That's
what
Federal
Way
was
built
in
the
1970s
to
do
so,
I'm
wondering
if
we
should
change
the
language
of
that
particular
flaws
to
say
instead
of
saying
it
complies
with
all
achd
public
work,
solid
waste
and
fire
department,
design
and
access
standard.
Should
we
say
instead,
the
applicant
shall
submit
a
revised
project
design.
G
I.E
site
plans
and
floor
plans
that
addresses
all
safety
and
access
concerns
raised
by
achd
public
work,
solid
waste
and
fire
department
blah
blah
blah,
because
basically,
what
I
would
like
to
happen
is
for
the
achd
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
figure
out
what
do
we
do
to
mitigate
and
minimize
the
risk
of
that
right
in
and
write
out
like
how
do
we
change
that
hundred
foot
or
200
foot
section
of
Federal
Way
to
make
it
safer
Because
by
the
way?
There's
currently
there's
one
two
three
there.
G
You
know
there's
like
four
access
points
right
along
there,
because,
because
those
were
all
put
in
years
and
years
ago,
so
I'm
struggling
I'm,
I'm
struggling
to
try
and
like
indicate
day
CHD.
Look.
We
this
policy
is
wrong
and
we're
not
going
to
force
our
applicant
to
abide
by
it.
But
we
want
you
to
work.
G
W
I'm,
okay,
revising
the
language
to
to
what
commissioner
Gillespie
recommended.
It
was
a
lot
I,
don't
know
all.
K
D
B
That
up
is
just
an
additional
condition
right
that
just
says:
work
with
achd
with
safety
improvements
right,
but
they
have
to
get
ACS
to
get
it
built
the
achd
approval
so
and
they
were
splitting
errors.
Yeah
I
think
we're
I
mean
I.
Think,
ideally,
with
this
motion,
my
how
I'm
reading
things
is
we're
saying
we
like
the
project.
You
got
to
work
out
with
achd
how
to
make
this
right
and
right
now
work
right,
yeah,
so.
T
T
K
T
I'm
I'm
in
support
of,
however,
we
want
to
wear
that
I'm
I
think
either
way,
I
could
do
it
on
another,
with
the
height
I
did
want
to
kind
of
mention
with
the
height
too.
T
You
know
that
height
for
the
you
know
on
the
resident,
a
single
family,
residential
side
on
Pico
I,
think
you
know
that's
49
feet.
It's
stepped
back
to
49
feet
on
that
side.
That's
only
four
feet
higher
than
it
would
be.
It
would
be
required,
regardless
of
whether
it
was
Zello
or
Ro.
Whatever
Zone
it
was
45
feet
is
the
max
height
right
there.
It's
four
feet
higher.
It's
a
parapet
and
mechanical
screen.
That's
not
a
full
story.
It's
not!
T
You
know
going
to
impact
the
density
in
a
truly
meaningful
way,
so
I
think
I'm
comfortable,
especially
because
it's
stepped
back.
I
think
that
that
does
show
kind
of
some
gradient
towards
that
residential
towards
that
single
family
house.
That
may
not
be
there
if
those
houses
weren't
on
Pico,
so
I'm
comfortable
with
that
height
exemption
and
I'm
comfortable,
with
kind
of
where
that
that's
happening
as
well.
H
Allow
us
to
kind
of
blunt
achd
a
little
bit
and
allow
Ethan
time
to
work
it
out
with
them
and
I
did
earlier,
but
want
to
complement
Ethan
2
on
with
the
development
this
size
120
units
that
retail
space,
no
matter
how
small
is
like
if
we
can
just
get
if
we
can
eliminate
10
car
trips
a
day
for
somebody
who
doesn't
have
to
drive
to
go,
get
coffee
down
the
hill
with
a
gas
station
or
out
to
Vista
Village,
then
it's
a
win
and
a
development.
H
This
size
I'm
so
glad
that
you're
actually
doing
the
retail,
because
everybody's
resisted
this
for
the
longest
time
and
the
MX3
and
all
the
MX
zones
are
going
to
make
that
are
going
to
make
that
happen.
More
so
I'm
glad
you
guys
are
taking
us
up
on
that
and
I
also
really
appreciate.
49
feet
is
tall
across
the
street
from
a
single
family,
home
I
get
it,
but
the
human
scale
design
that
you
guys
have
tried
to
do
with
the
walk-ups
I'm.
H
Sorry
on
that
side
is
fantastic
and
I'm,
so
glad
that
you
guys
paid
attention
to
that
and
really
tried
to
do
the
best
you
can
with
the
49-foot
building
to
meet.
Like
you
know,
people
to
people
rather
than
facade
to
you
know
the
houses
across
the
street.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
I'm
look
forward
to
seeing
this
thing.
Progress.
B
J
Yeah
I
agree
with
the
commissioner
finchrock's
motion
and
and
the
verbiage
that
we
added
with
commissioner
Gillespie's
discussion
and
I
frankly
think
that
once
this
gets
out
of
the
achd
staff,
it's
going
to
fly
they're
gonna
love
it.
The
problem
is
it's
stuck
in
the
staff
and
I
agree
with
everything
else.
Yeah.
B
I'm
gonna
piggyback
on
commissioner
Blanchard's
comments,
I
mean
I.
Think
the
project
as
a
whole
looks
great.
You
know
nice
job
team
love
the
walk-ups
on
Pico
Street,
my
only
a
little
just
a
little
one
man's
opinion.
Pickleball
is
really
loud
and
you're
gonna
put
it
you're
gonna
put
a
pickleball
court
surrounded
by
surrounded
by
buildings
where
people
are
living.
You're
gonna
have
some
unhappy
residents,
so
you
may
just
want
to
rethink
the
pickleball
court
yeah
or
yeah
or
come
up
with
a
new.
My
wife
plays
tennis.
B
She
hates
pickleballers,
because
they're
loud
I
hear
about
it
all
the
time
at
my
house.
So
just
a
little
color
for
you.
Otherwise
project
looks
great
well
done.
I!
Think
you
guys
have
our
input
and
I
think
we're
good
there.
Good
luck
with
achd
I
mean
you
got
to
go
through
design
review.
That's
the
other
piece
of
this
right,
so
I
think
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
refinements
just
happen
throughout
the
site
and
the
design
as
a
whole.
So,
okay,
any
other
final
comments.
D
B
Typically,
we
don't
take
any
more
rebuttal
at
this
point,
yeah,
so
Ethan.
If
you
have
to
sit
tight,
I'm,
sorry,
okay,
yeah,
there
you
go
so
even
again.
We
motion
to
approve
like
supposed
to
be
approved
by
commissioner
finfrock
second
by
commissioner
Gillespie.
We
did
have
the
additional
condition
estated
by
staff
in
the
report,
I'm
getting
thumbs
up
from
staff,
we're
going
to
call
the
roll.
C
S
B
B
AA
904U
is
PUD
2264,
a
planned
unit,
development
comprised
of
nine
multi-family
units
on
1.19
Acres,
located
at
10188,
West,
tutana,
Road
and
in
r1c
zone.
The
subject
property
is
currently
three
separate
parcels
and
the
applicant
has
approved
a
parcel
consolidation
that
must
be
recorded
prior
to
the
issuance
of
building
permits.
The
applicant
proposes
to
add
two
rows
of
town
home
style
buildings
accessed
by
a
single
shared
driveway,
a
condition
approval
will
require
the
applicant
to
record
a
cross-access
and
maintenance
agreement
for
all
shared
facilities,
such
as
driveways
service
parking
and
Solid
Waste
Services.
AA
The
applicant
has
provided
the
required
amount
of
vehicle
and
bicycle
parking
spaces
on
site
or
in
the
adjacent
roadway,
as
well
as
ample
pedestrian
connections,
both
along
utahna
and
internal
to
the
site.
The
soil,
Banks
Canal
borders,
the
northern
side
of
the
property,
and
this
has
been
identified
as
a
future
pedestrian
pathway.
A
condition
of
approval
will
require
the
applicant
to
dedicate
a
12-foot
public
assets,
easement
and
construct
an
eight-foot
pathway
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
near
the
canal
as
an
enemy.
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA
All
right,
one
public
comment
was
received
in
opposition
to
the
project,
citing
concerns
about
vehicle
speed
and
traffic
congestion.
Comments
received
from
achd
indicate
the
existing
roadway
can
accommodate
the
additional
traffic
generated
by
this
development.
One
additional
comment
was
also
received
by
the
applicant
concerning
an
irrigation
easement
in
the
front
of
the
property
along
utana,
and
they
will
be
able
to
provide
some
more
details
in
their
presentation.
AB
All
right
good
evening,
good
evening
my
name
is
Becky
izigary.
My
address
is
2471
South,
titanium,
Place,
Meridian,
Idaho
83642.
AB
So
this
development
is
located
north
of
State,
Street
and
East
of
Highway
55,
surrounded
by
a
single
family
homes
to
the
east,
wet
yeah.
Next
slide.
AB
I'm,
sorry,
all
right
there
we
are
surrounded
by
the
East,
cease
Highway
55,
surrounded
by
single
family
homes
on
the
south,
east
and
west,
with
the
spoiled
Banks
Canal
on
the
North
End
of
the
property
WinCo
Foods
and
Home
Depot,
and
many
other
restaurants
and
shops
are
nearby.
Making
this
an
ideal
location
for
the
small
multi-family
development.
AB
This
one
point:
one:
nine
Acre
property
is
located
in
the
city
of
Boise,
with
an
existing
zoning
destination
of
r1c
single
family
residential
with
a
land
use
designation
of
compact.
We
are
proposing
nine
two-story
multi-family
units
with
three
bedrooms,
1.5
bath
and
one
car
garage
with
a
driveway
for
each
unit.
AB
The
development
will
have
nine
nine
garage
parking
spaces.
Two
additional
on-site
with
unrestricted
on-street
parking
on
utana
each
unit
will
have
a
small
front
lawn
and
Patio.
The
rear
will
have
a
larger
back
patio
and
will
open
up
to
15
plus
feet
of
grassy
open
space,
followed
by
an
additional
15
feet
of
landscaping.
AB
AB
This
development
has
been
carefully
designed
to
prioritize
the
Aesthetics
and
functionality.
Landscaping
has
been
strategically
placed
to
minimize
the
visual
impacts
of
the
buildings.
Our
objective
is
to
enhance
the
space
between
the
buildings
and
the
neighbor
neighboring
Properties,
by
incorporating
trees
and
plants
of
varying
Heights
and
scales.
Trees
will
be
utilized
to
provide
shade,
while
the
grass
will
help
mitigate
Heat
waterways
plants
will
require
less
water
and
will
be
incorporated
into
the
design
promoting
sustainability.
AB
So
we
broadly
agree
with
the
conditions
of
approval
set
forth
by
staff
and
agencies.
There's
one
item
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
so
staff
has
recommended
a
five
foot
wide
detached
sidewalk
with
an
eight-foot
landscape
buffer
along
Utah
road,
but
we
believe
that
there
is
a
16
foot,
prescriptive
irrigation,
easement
that
sits
right
in
front
and
read
there,
and
so
we
we
are
trying
to
work
with
the
Irrigation
District
to
figure
out.
AB
If
we
can
move
that
or
there's
a
pipe
that
runs
along
there,
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
that
pipe,
if
we
can,
we
would
like
to
put
a
detached
sidewalk.
Obviously
it
makes
sense,
but
we
would
like
to
ask
that
stuff
and-
and
we
just
kind
of
work
with
staff
to
to
figure
that
out
and
achd
and
Irrigation
District.
AB
So
we
kind
of
want
to
amend
the
condition
condition
number
two
to
kind
of
read
that
that
we
would
like
to
we
will
we
will
try
to
accommodate
the
detached
sidewalk
and
we
would
like,
but
if,
if
we
can't,
we
would
like
the
option
to
work
with
an
attached
sidewalk,
okay,.
AB
So
that
that
is
the
only
modification
that
I
would
like
to
make
the
conditions
other
than
that
we
are
totally.
We
agree
with
everything
that
that
is
set
forth
there
so
other
than
that
utahna
Village
will
be
a
positive
addition
to
the
city
of
Boise
and
the
residents
living
in
the
area,
as
it
increases
the
livability
and
vitality
of
this
area.
This
location
will
improve
the
residence
Quality
of
Life
by
making
it
easier
to
access
goods
and
services.
AB
X
T
So
there
I
think
there's
something
funny
going
on
with
the
north
arrow
on
some
of
the
plans
which
elevation
is
the
street
side
elevation.
Is
it
the
left,
elevation
or
the
right
elevation
in
our
packet,
because
there's
a
left
side
elevation,
that's
got
like
an
overhung
porch
and
there's
a
right
side.
Elevation.
That's
got
some
Utilities
in
the
fire.
Riser.
T
You
say
gosh
that
one
right
there
so
there's
that
elevation
right
there
and
then
on
the
next
sheet
would
be
the
other
I
think
that's
the
left
side.
Elevation
is
the
bottom
of
that
sheet
and
then
the
right
side
is
at
the
bottom
of
the
following
sheet.
Yeah
do
you
know,
which
is
the
street
side
elevation.
AB
Yes,
the
garages
will
be
those
those
garages
will
be
facing
internally,
okay
and
then,
if
you
that
yeah,
so
that
one
will
be
that
the
back
porch
elevation
there,
so
that
will
be
facing
east
or
west.
T
AA
B
Becky,
just
to
make
sure
we're
good
on
condition,
number
two
I'm
trying
to
get
to
that
sheet.
Essentially,
what
you'd
like
to
do
is
amend
the
language
of
condition,
number
two
to
essentially
work
with
the
agencies,
the
Irrigation
District
and
the
agencies
yeah
to
figure
out
yeah
how
best
to
incorporate
the
sidewalk
and
the
irrigation
infrastructure.
That
is
correct.
E
AB
Yeah
we
yes,
we
did
and
so
and
then
trying
to
get
the
Irrigation
District
to
respond.
It's
it's
been
a
little
difficult.
They.
B
C
J
The
question
for
staff,
the
12
foot
public
access,
these
Medford
spoil
Banks
canal,
we're
calling
out
an
eight-foot
pathway
versus
a
10
foot.
Why
is
that
Mr.
AA
Chair
commissioner
Mooney,
so
there
is
a
pathway
planned
along.
This
was
Canal.
The
north
side
pathway
is
planned
at
a
10-foot
pathway
with
a
14-foot
easement,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
it
would
be
potentially
easier
and
faster
to
develop
that
side
and
thus
that
side
would
be
more
utilized.
There's
still
a
want
and
a
need
for
the
pathway
on
the
South
Side
as
well,
but
because
of
the
lesser
potential
for
getting
that
pathway
thoroughly
connected.
J
Thank
you.
Mr
chair
got
a
question
for
the
applicant
yeah,
so
I
think
I
saw
in
one
of
the
site
plans,
bike
racks
towards
the
street
yeah.
D
AB
D
W
Had
a
question
for
staff,
so
in
the
parking
requirement
it
says
that
there's
basically
16
required
12
proposed,
but
then
there's
a
little
note
that
basically
says
that
with
unrestricted
street
parking
you
can
utilize
those
as
part
of
the
requirement
I
thought
and
I
I'm,
pretty
sure
I'm
wrong
on
this.
But
I
was
just
hoping
you
could
explain
it.
I
thought
like
off
street
parking
or
on
street
parking
yeah.
It
didn't
count.
Is
that
correct
am
I
saying
that
right
or
is
exactly?
AA
Madam,
chair
or
Mr
chair
I'm,
so
sorry,
it's
late.
It
is
allowed
to
utilize
the
on-street
parking
if
it
is
unrestricted
in
a
one-to-one
basis.
So
you
can't
say,
like
we
have
three
option
spaces
for
on-street
parking,
so
we
can
take
15
off
the
site.
Okay,.
AA
Mr,
chair,
Mr
finpak.
It's
specifically
allowed
for
multi-family
developments.
It's
not
allowed
for
single-family
developments.
Okay,.
J
Don't
for
staff
the
streetscape
then
in
front
there
on
on
the
street
the
so
we're
saying,
parking's,
okay
and
kind
of
encourage.
It
sounds,
and
this
sounds
like
in
this
case:
it's
also
the
Northwest
Boise
pathway
or
Bikeway
I'm.
Sorry.
So
it's
a
it's
a
plotted,
Bikeway
and
I
know
that
one
of
the
letters
of
opposition
was
there's
too
much,
there's
too
much
and
too
fast
the
traffic
there.
But
it
is
a
bike
way
and
is
there
enough
room
for
parking.
T
AA
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney
so
having
on-street
parking
and
allowing
on
street
parking
actually
does
act
as
a
traffic
calming
measure.
So
for
that
opposition
it
would
actually
be
helpful
for
the
things
that
they
are
concerned
about
with
the
speeds
and
traffic
that
is
there
currently
and
as
for
the
Bikeway
I,
do
not
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
What
level
it
is,
but
I
believe
it
is
a
share
row.
H
I'm
Mr,
chair,
Mr,
Blanchard,
just
comment:
I,
guess
really,
but
I'm
also
supportive
of
them
being
able
to
work
out
this
sidewalk
proposal.
I
would
just
note
that
one
block
down
there
is
an
existing
sidewalk
that
is
detached,
so
whatever
happens,
yeah
I
would
hope
that
those
would
line
up
this
I
kind
of
feel
bad.
This
poor
neighborhood
we've
allowed
so
much
stuff,
and
it's
turning
over
so
quickly
that
the
streetscape
is
going
to
be
super
important.
H
The
residents
are
already
frustrated
with
traffic
and
whatnot,
but
yeah
trying
to
get
this
sidewalk
right
is
going
to
be
important.
B
Okay,
I
think
we're
good
on
questions.
It
will
open
up
thanks
thanks
Jesse
thanks
Becky
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
this
up
for
question.
Sorry
testimony
they
testify
on
this
item.
The
podium
is
free,
okay
check
in
online
anybody
online,
like
is
anyone
online,
would
like
to
testify
for
this
item.
B
W
I
moved
to
approve
PUD
22-64,
along
with
the
recommended
and
standard
conditions
of
approval,
with
the
revised
or
added
condition
that
let
me
see
if
I
can
get
this
right.
One
second
staff
be
allowed
to
modify
detached
sidewalks
to
attached
sidewalks,
depending
on
agency
interaction,
so.
D
B
K
B
W
Mr,
chair
I,
just
yeah
I,
think
the
only
question
I
had
was
the
parking
and
staff
explained
it.
So
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
I
think
the
project
looks
great
I
think
it
looks
like
a
great
addition
to
this
community
and
I.
Don't
know
I
always
like
Town,
Homes
I
think
that
I
wish
we
had
more
of
them
in
those
valleys.
So
it
will
be
nice
to
have
this
added
project
so
mil.
Do
you
want
to
say
something
because
you
look
like
here
all.
T
So
I
because
I
second,
it
all
just
had
my
two
cents,
I
think
this
is
you
know
it
provides
a
variety
of
housing.
It's
it's
a
different
kind
of
housing
type
than
what
I'm
seeing
here,
the
three
bedrooms,
one
and
a
half
bath.
That's
something
that
we
don't
see
very
often,
especially
with
the
one
car
garage
in
the
garage
or
the
parking
spot
on
the
pad
in
front
I.
T
Think
you
know
those
things
in
particular
kind
of
stand
out
to
me
as
something
that
we
don't
see
very
often
so
I
think
it
is
kind
of
providing
a
little
bit
of
variety,
maybe
not
a
ton
of
variety
but
a
little
bit
of
variety,
and
that
makes
a
difference
and
I.
Think
generally,
it
is
compatible,
especially
with
that
door.
Fronting
Utah
utan,
oh
gosh,
yep,
that
one
all
those
other
reasons
I
support
the
motion.
B
Okay
thanks,
commissioner
Moore
all
right.
Any
other
discussion
comments
go
ahead
and
move
this
along
then
I'm
gonna
motion
to
approve
by
commissioner
finproc
with
the
second
bike.
Commissioner,
more
with
the
added
condition
clarifying
the
applicant
will
work
with
agencies
on
the
sidewalk
and
irrigation
infrastructure.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
D
K
B
Ya:
okay:
last
time
tonight
item
number
ten
Tana
utana
Utah.
D
B
AA
Mr,
chair
and
commissioner,
is
the
item
before
you
is
cup
23-24,
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
social
event
center
on
0.81
Acres,
located
at
1115
West
Boise
Avenue
in
an
LOD
Zone,
the
applicant
plans
to
operate
an
event
center
and
wedding
venue
at
an
existing
single
family
residence
near
a
community
Activity
Center.
The
majority
of
activity
will
take
place
outdoors
with
minimal
access
to
the
interior
for
restrooms
dressing
rooms
and
kitchen
access.
AA
The
proposed
hours
of
the
operation
are
Friday
from
6
to
midnight,
Saturday
from
9
A.M
to
midnight
and
Sunday
from
9
A.M
to
1
p.m.
The
applicant
intends
to
host
approximately
10
events
per
year.
Our
recommended
condition
of
approval
requires
all
Amplified
sound
for
events
to
end
at
11
PM
and
to
comply
with
the
Boise
city
noise
ordinance.
AA
The
proposed
use
will
generate
additional
traffic
during
events.
However,
the
applicant
has
a
shared
parking
agreement
in
place
with
the
medical
offices
adjacent
to
the
West
that
gives
them
access
to
a
total
of
41
additional
parking
spots.
Another
recommended
condition
of
approval
will
require
the
applicant
to
install
at
least
15
bicycle
parking
spaces.
AA
Additionally,
achd
will
require
the
applicant
to
close
the
access
point
onto
Boise
Avenue
and
to
improve
William
Street
with
a
Half
street
section
with
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk.
The
applicant
will
also
have
to
meet
all
ADA
requirements
of
the
building
code,
which
may
involve
structural
changes
to
the
property
and
conclusion
the
planning
team
recommends.
Approval
and
I
will
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
B
Yeah,
okay,
you
start
with
your
address.
Please
and
you'll
have
up
to
10
minutes
for
your
presentation,
sure.
AC
My
name
is
Meg
van
lith
I
live
at
1115,
West,
Boise,
Avenue,
Boise,
83706
and
I.
Up
until
this
morning,
thought
I
was
on
the
consent
agenda,
so
I
think
the
project
speaks
for
itself,
but
I
did
want
to
add
and
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
review
the
lever
that
I
submitted,
but
there
they're
in
Blueprint
Boise
when
I
was
reviewing
this.
You
know
just
a
little
bit
ago.
AC
There
are
several
items:
I
know
that
Jesse
put
this
in
her
I
guess
under
development
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
AC
If
you
look
at
that
section,
there's
a
couple
items
that
I
just
wanted
to
add
which
are
goal:
SE
Dash
nc2
to
protect
and
enhance
the
character
of
Southeast
established
neighborhoods,
specifically
South
Boise,
Village
I,
don't
know!
If
you
guys
are
aware.
This
area
has
had
a
lot
of
development
and
there
have
been
several
historic
buildings
on
Broadway
that
have
been
torn
down
or
have
been
heavily
redeveloped
and
I.
AC
Believe
that,
in
addition
to
all
the
other
positives
that
by
allowing
this
historic
building
to
be
a
venue,
it
will
create
more
of
a
conservation
vibe
in
South
Boise
Village.
So
that
way
we
can
prescribe
the
historic
character
here
and
outside
of
that
I'm
open
for
questions
or
whatever
you
might
have.
B
Okay,
great,
thank
you
for
that.
First,
we're
going
to
check
before
we
get
to
any
questions,
we're
gonna
check
in
to
see
if
anyone
from
the
South
Boise,
Village,
neighborhood
association
is
with
us
I,
don't
believe
that
they
are
okay,
so
we'll
go
ahead.
If
there
are
any
questions
by
the
commission
for
Staffing
applicant
Now's,
the
Time.
T
So
I
noticed
in
this
application,
in
particular
the
hours
the
S,
the
anticipated
hours
of
the
events
were
pretty
late
and
especially
on
on
weekends
too,
so
it
was
until
about.
Was
it
12
a.m
and
1
a.m?
They're
pretty
late?
Is
it
only
the
noise
ordinance,
that's
regulating
kind
of
disturbance?
Is
there
any
other
ordinance
that
would
help
kind
of
mitigate?
T
Very
well
gosh
I
think
I
need
to
speak
out
now
so
because
the
lateness
of
the
hours
of
those
events
and
I
mean
they
go
to
like
12
a.m
or
1am.
Are
there
any
or
other
ordinances?
Besides
the
noise
ordinance
that
would
help
kind
of
mitigate
with
the
neighbors
kind
of
some
of
these
later
hours.
I
know
the
noise
ordinance
and
the
condition
of
approval
will
be
noise
at
11,
A.M
but
I'm
thinking
more
of
you
know,
traffic
kind
of
leaving
the
events
and
things
like
that.
AA
Mr
chair
commissioner
Moore
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I,
can't
think
of
any
ordinances
that
would
do
anything
to
modify
traffic
patterns.
At
that
point,
I
can
say
that
it
is
very
near
about
500
feet
from
the
intersection
of
Boise
Ave
and
Broadway
Ave,
both
of
which
are
streets
that
do
have
traffic
fairly
late
at
night.
So
I
don't
see
that
as
too
big
of
an
impact
on
the
surrounding
neighborhood
as
a
whole.
B
L
Okay,
Steve
Davis,
2104,
North,
Fry
I
was
trying
to
be
civil
and
polite
and
wait,
but
my
patience
has
gotten
really
thin
here
just
lately,
but
have
not
agenda
item
number.
Eight
I.
E
B
L
B
Yeah
we
did,
we
did
call,
were
you
here
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
B
B
K
B
All
right
and
then
no
one
else
in
person
here
at
City
Hall,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
on
folks
that
are
online.
AD
I'm
yelling
I'll
try
I
I'm
at
1801
South
Grant
Avenue.
We
are
one
of
the
closest
neighbors
directly
diagonally
across
the
street
from
the
Hop
garden
house.
AD
You
know
I
really
appreciate,
commissioner
Moore's
questioning
about
you
know
what
would
be
done
to
mitigate
noise
late
at
night.
You
know,
12
1am
seems
exceedingly
late.
You
know
we,
we
have
children,
you
know
they're
older
folks
in
the
neighborhood
and
noise
and
traffic.
Until
you
know,
12
1
a.m
is
certainly
going
to
impact
the
neighborhood.
AD
You
know
we
are
tucked
back
in
a
residential
neighborhood
behind
Boise,
Avenue
and
Broadway.
So,
yes,
we
are
close
to
that
intersection,
but
we
do
not
experience
a
lot
of
traffic
directly
in
our
neighborhood.
AD
You
know
it
concerns
me
that
there's
the
recommendation
to
close
the
Boise
Avenue
driveway,
because
we
are
practically
across
from
midnight
driveway
on
William
Street
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
there's
going
to
be
the
shared
parking
situation,
but
I
still,
you
know
if
that's
going
to
be
the
entrance
that
people
are
going
in
and
out
of
during
events.
AD
AD
AD
AA
A
point
of
clarification,
Mr,
chair
yeah
I
would
like
to
say
that
the
hours
of
operation
would
be
on
Friday
and
Saturday
till
midnight,
with
the
noise
ending
at
11
as
conditioned
and
then
on
Sunday
from
9
A.M
to
1
p.m.
So,
just
afternoon,
so
not
till
1am.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
Jesse
appreciate
that
all
right,
we're
back
to
rebuttal
time
for
the
applicant,
so
miss
van
lith.
If
you
want
to
spend
a
couple
minutes
on
rebuttal,
feel
free.
If
not,
you
can
yield
that
time.
D
AC
AC
In
addition,
I
just
want
to
State
we're
going
to
have
all
events
and
Amplified
sound
end
at
11,
and
the
remainder
of
the
time
is
strictly
so.
Vendors
can
clean
up.
So
the
the
reason
for
the
late
till
midnight
was
strictly
so
you
know
there
could
be
some
tear
down
things
like
that
of
weddings
and
events
that
might
be
happening
and
also
just
as
a
follow-up
Point.
AC
This
is
a
college
neighborhood.
We
have
several
fraternities
that
live
in
the
area
and
they
are
quite
noisy.
In
addition
from
our
home
or
from
pop
house,
you
can
hear
Boise
State
football
games
loud
and
clear
until
the
games
are
over
so
concerts.
Things
like
that
that
occur
at
extra
mile
or
what's
the
name
of
it
extra
mile
Arena
you
can
hear
at
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
think
the
the
neighborhood's
kind
of
used
to
that
busy
overall,
General,
Vibe
and
I
do
believe.
AC
We
absolutely
do
not
want
to
add
to
any
sound
I,
also
have
a
10
year
old,
daughter
and
so
I'm
keenly
aware
that
I
don't
want
loud
parties
going
on
until
midnight
or
one,
but
most
weddings
I
would
say,
aren't
raucous
parties
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
I'm
very
aware
that
we
want
to
have
things
End
by
11..
I
was
just
leaving
the
extra
time
for
cleanup
for
those.
X
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
With
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
this
item
and
bring
it
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision.
J
T
C
B
Thank
you.
I
have
a
commission
a
motion
to
approve
by
commissioner
Mooney
with
a
second
by
commissioner,
more
any
discussion.
Mr.
J
J
The
fact
that
the
Amplified
sound
is
ending
at
11
PM
is
helpful
as
a
condition,
and
that
really
was
what
I
think
makes
us
in
accordance
with
the
code
and
means
that
the
adverse
impact
has
been
mitigated
by
the
conditions.
And
so
that's
my
motion.
T
Mr,
chair,
Mr,
Moore
and
I
think
my
kind
of
line
of
questioning
about
you
know
people
leaving
the
site,
you
know
I,
understand,
BSU
and
all
that
good
stuff.
I'm
I
live
not
too
far
from
this
neighborhood
I
experienced
BSU
acutely
and
enjoy
it,
and
but
I
think
you
know,
with
the
additional
kind
of
narrative
about
breaking
down
the
events
and
things
like
that.
I
think
it
makes
sense
that
the
hours
would
be
what
they
are
so
I'm
comfortable
with
that
and
I
support
motion.
Okay.