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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission
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Monday, May 2, 2022
A
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
those
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hands
virtually.
If
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
3
minutes
for
testimony.
We
are
stripped
at
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code.
Finally,
the
applicant
is
allowed
5
minutes
for
rebuttal.
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B
B
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
that
you
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
B
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
and
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
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C
D
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
do
a
little
housekeeping
first,
so
item
number
four
has
been
withdrawn.
This
is
pod22-1
for
rodney,
evans
and
partners,
pllc
and
also
suv
22-2
at
hillview,
south
subdivision,
and
this
is
located
at
4301
west
hill
road.
It
was
a
conditional
use
permit
for
plain
residential
development
and
a
primary
preliminary
plot
for
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
one
common
lot
and
12
buildable
lots
so
again.
Item
4
has
been
withdrawn.
B
Hang
on
sorry,
we've
got
a
lot
of
moves
today,
not
quite
there.
Yet
no
item
13
has
also
been
withdrawn.
This
is
pewd
22-6
for
hillary
grounds,
3010
north
36th
street,
also
including
suv,
22-4
rocco
manor
subdivision.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
plane,
residential
development
comprised
of
two
single-family
homes
and
also
preliminary
and
final
platform
residential
subdivision
compliant
comprised
of
two
bubble
lots,
so
number
13
has
also
been
withdrawn.
B
I'm
going
to
move
a
couple
deferral
requests,
so
I
will
move
first
to
item
number
two.
This
is
car
21-42
for
sawtooth
development
deferred,
originally
from
april
4th
2022
at
8710,
south
pleasant
valley.
This
is
an
annexation
of
81.23
acres
with
an
m1da
zone,
so
they
are
requesting
deferral
to
august
1st.
This
is
a
90-day
deferral.
B
E
E
B
B
Okay,
the
next
item
for
discussion
is
a
another
deferral.
This
is
pud21-55
for
cushing
terrell
deferred,
originally
from
february
7th
2022
requesting
to
pearl
to
june
6
2022..
This
is
at
2189
west
boise
avenue
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
14
multi-family
units.
Is
there
anybody
present
tonight
that
would
like
to
testify
in
this
item
that
would
be
unable
to
return
to
that
june.
6Th
date.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
A
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
five
multi-family
units
is
the
applicant
present
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Great,
let
them
record
show
that
they
are.
Is
there
anybody
present
tonight?
That
would
like
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this
item.
E
B
D
B
Okay,
moving
along,
I
will
start,
then,
with
item
number
six.
This
is
car
22-2
for
chrysalis
architecture
and
planning
at
8306
west
state
street,
a
rezone
of
approximately
three
acres
from
r1a
to
r3d,
also
including
pud
22-8
at
8233,
west
limelight
street
and
8306
west
state
street.
A
modification
new
conditional
use
permit
of
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
70
multi-family
units
and
will
first
hear
from
staff.
Please
go
ahead.
Mr
moser.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
rezone
from
r1a
single-time
residential
to
an
r3d
multi-family
residential
zone
located
at
8306
west
8th
street
on
approximately
1.92
acres.
The
conditional
use
permit
our
conditional
use
permit
for
a
plant
residential
building
containing
70
units
is
also
included
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
neighborhood
is
a
mix
of
residential
uses
which
include
large
multi-family
developments
to
the
north
and
east.
In
addition,
commercial
uses
are
located
to
the
south
across
state
street.
G
As
seen
on
the
slide.
The
requested
r3
zone
is
compatible
and
consistent
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
since
the
adjacent
properties
are
zoned,
r3
and
c2
to
the
west
east
and
north
and
contain
apartments.
The
neighborhoods
to
the
south
across
state
street
is
comprised
of
commercial
uses
and
zones
within
garden
city.
The
requested
zone
is
compatible
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
it
designates
the
site
as
mixed
use.
G
The
land
use
map
within
which
the
proposed
r3
zone
is
allowed
and
anticipated
and,
as
you
can
see
from
this
site
plan,
the
development
consists
of
two
three-story
apartment
buildings
and
a
density
of
the
project
is
a
little
over
36
units
per
acre.
The
apartment
buildings
are
oriented
toward
rose
street
and
state
street
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
The
project
will
comply
with
all
setbacks,
requirements,
parking
standards
and
will
provide
the
required
amenities.
In
summary,
all
the
required
findings
of
the
rezone
and
the
pud
have
been
met.
G
The
12-foot
wide
multi-path
has
been
identified
within
the
state
street
urd
and
the
state
street
framework
plan,
as
encouraged
by
the
northwest
neighborhood
association
plan,
conditions
of
approval
will
require
the
project
provide
the
pedestrian
and
bike
connections
to
the
adjacent
properties
to
the
north
and
west.
With
these
pedestrian
and
bike
connect.
This
includes
pedestrian
bike
connections
to
the
multi-use
path
from
the
project.
G
In
addition,
the
applicant
site
plan
does
show
the
multi-use
path
along
state
street,
the
other
main
point
of
discussion
and
is
in
regards
to
the
landscape
buffer
along
rose
street
and
and
whether
or
not
to
install
a
drainage
swale
within
it.
The
applicant
requests
to
install
a
drainage
whale
within
the
landscape
over
buffer,
similar
to
what
was
done
to
the
north
and
is
proposing
at
the
same
design
or
very
similar
design.
G
However,
the
planning
team
recommends
the
drainage
swale
be
located
outside
the
landscape,
offer
the
landscape
ordinance,
discourages
wet
drainage,
whales
from
being
located
in
landscape
buffers
outside
of
industrial
areas.
As
such,
the
main
concern
the
plant
team
has,
with
the
locating
the
swale
in
this
location,
is
that
will
detract
from
the
pedestrian
comfort
along
along
the
street
frontage
and
putting
the
swale
in
the
swale
in
there
generally
does
not
allow
for
the
plant
planting
a
street
trees.
G
However,
to
address
these
concerns,
I
would
note
that
the
subject
property
is
adjacent
to
state
street
and
it
is,
and
was
an
integral
part
of
the
state
street
quarter
planning
process.
This
substantial
planning
process
identified
the
subject
property
as
a
neighborhood
transit
zone
or
tod
zone,
which
anticipates
high
density
residential
along
state
street,
with
robust
with
a
future
robust
public
transit
system
adjacent
to
the
site.
The
loss
of
the
tree,
the
loss
of
the
street
or
trees
on
site
will
be
mitigated
for,
as
per
the
as
for
the
landscape
code.
G
Also,
the
neighborhood
association
in
their
letter
that
you
should
have
received
discussed
the
possibility
of
extending
a
temporary
pedestrian
pathway,
approximately
about
1
500
feet
along
the
adjacent
parcel
to
the
east
abutting
state
street.
However,
the
planning
team
did
not
consider
this
pathway
construction
as
a
condition
of
approval,
since
it's
an
off-site
improvement
and
also
the
length
of
the
path
itself.
B
H
My
address
is
5321
west
hidden
springs,
drive,
boise
83714.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
you
before
the
commission
this
evening.
I
just
have
a
few
slides
and
I'd
like
to
just
discuss
some
of
the
items
that
david
brought
up.
This
is
a
rendering
of
phase
one.
Our
building
four
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
architecture
and
the
look
and
style
of
the
of
the
buildings.
H
This
is
a
combined
site
plan.
Oh
was
there
another
one
before
that?
Oh
there
right
there
yeah
thanks.
This
is
a
recent
aerial
photograph
that
we
took.
I
thought
this
would
just
be
helpful
for
contacts
so
right
now
we're
building
phase
one
there
that's
85
units.
There
are
four
buildings
right
there
and
then
to
the
right.
You
can
see
the
subject
site
which
shows
the
irrigation
canal
to
the
south
along
state
street
and
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
just
how
things
flow
together
next
slide,
please.
H
This
is
the
combined
site
plan
just
indicates
the
two
sites.
Some
important
pieces,
just
to
note,
are
where
the
entries
are
along
rose
street.
There's
a
new
entry
on
phase
two
there's
an
existing
on
phase,
one
there's
one
on
limelight
and
then
the
blue
just
shows
some
of
the
amenities
that
we've
put
into
the
project
for
our
residents
community
room
gym
pet
park.
H
H
H
This
is
just
the
site
plan
just
for
phase
two
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
multi-use
pass,
but
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
the
recommended
condition
approval
number
ten.
We
just
had
a
note
to
that
david
next
slide.
Please
you
can
see
the
blue
here
along
state
street
and
where
our
meandering
path
is.
H
Those
are
areas
that
just
encroach
slightly
over
our
property
line
into
the
area
that
is
part
of
the
canal
district
maintenance
area
and
also
the
right-of-way
for
itd
we're
currently
in
discussions
with
itd
and
we've
completed
application
and
we've
also
been
talking
to
the
canal
district
and
the
both
of
them
have
been
positive
about
giving
us
an
easement
for
those
two
areas.
If
we're
unable
to
do
that,
we'll
then
move
it
back
onto
our
property
line,
but
I
thought
the
commission
would
just
want
to
know
about
that.
H
Next
slide,
david
mentioned
that
the
neighborhood
association,
when
we
were
when
we
got
approvals
on
phase
one.
They
also
mentioned
this
whole
idea
of
connectivity
trying
to
get
pathways
so
that
residents
from
this
area,
where
all
the
apartments
are
in
the
multi-family
or
could
get
to
some
of
the
services
we
agreed
with
them,
that
we
would
help
start
conversations
and
work
with
ccdc
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
facilitate
this
path,
and
we
have
been
we've
met
with
them.
H
We
actually
engaged
our
civil
engineer
to
do
this,
drawing
which
shows
a
design
of
a
five-foot
multi-use
five-foot
path
to
connect,
basically
rose
street
to
the
north
point
shopping
center,
which
would
then
get
people
in
a
better
direction
to
get
to
the
bus,
stop
and
also
to
commercial
services.
We've
had
probably
three
meetings
with
ccdc
we've
informed.
H
The
northwest
association
we've
been
doing
that
and
we've
agreed
as
a
developer
to
front
the
cost
for
the
the
walkway
if
they
can
get
it
approved
and
then
ccdc
through
the
urban
renewal
district
would
reimburse
us
over
the
next
couple
years.
So
we're
committed
to
doing
this,
but
we
don't
control
that
we
don't
own
the
property,
we
don't
control
it
and
the
agencies
really
have
to
work
together
in
order
to
get
this
approved.
H
So
we
hope
that
the
commission
wouldn't
condition
any
of
their
approvals
of
the
pud
and
of
the
rezone
on
that,
but
we
we're
committed
to
doing
that
next
slide.
Please
recommended
condition
number
seven.
This
is
a
request
that
we
have
to
modify
this.
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide
david
thanks?
So
we
have
us.
We
have
swales,
as
david
said
on
both
of
the
street
front
edges
on
limelight
village,
one
on
limelight
street
and
roe
street,
and
we're
asking
the
commission
to
approve
this.
H
H
I'll
show
you
that
in
the
next
slide,
achd
has
approved
four
phase
two,
these
swales
they
did
have
one
condition
was
they
do
not
want
us
to
put
trees
in
the
swale
this
time
and
we
do
have
enough
room
on
the
other
side
of
the
sidewalk
to
put
the
trees
we've
designed
it
such,
and
we
know
that
this
is
not
a
general
policy
of
the
city
in
terms
of
they
want
this.
But
this
is
sort
of
the
last
section
in
this
neighborhood.
It
just
seems
logical
to
us
that
the
visual
and
engineering
consistency
should
remain.
H
And
lastly,
the
northwest
community
association,
their
letter
that
they
submit
on
recently
to
david's
staff,
was
the
they
noted
that,
based
on
our
design
for
phase
one,
that
we
improved
safety,
convenience
and
aesthetics
next
slide,
please
so
this
slide
just
shows
you.
These
are
the
in-place
or
approved
swales
in
the
community.
You
can
see
the
subject
property
in
blue
at
the
bottom,
so
our
street
there,
all
these
streets
here
have
swales
in
this
entire
area
and
we're
just
asking
for
this
one
section
from
our
property
line
up
to
state
street.
H
B
B
B
I
You
can
you
hear
me
just
checking
here:
yes,
okay,
great
richard
llewellyn,
9170
hill
road,
so
thank
you,
commission,
and
we
would
also
like
to
I
think
it's
fair
to
thank
the
applicant
for
communicating
with
us
and
and
for
a
number
of
improvements
that
they've
made
at
this
point.
We
are
happy
that
the
12-foot
multimodal
path
is
going
to
be
continued.
It's
now
going
to
extend
from
bogart
lane
to
the
east
to
rose
street.
So
that
is
good.
I
That's
I
don't
know
a
third
of
a
mile,
or
so
I
think
along
there,
and
this
is
going
to
help
our
neighborhood
actually
see
the
realization
of
the
transit
oriented
development
that
we
hear
about
on
state
street.
But,
frankly,
we
don't
see
much
of
the
actual
infrastructure
and
we
certainly
don't
see
the
transit,
and
I
do
think
that
we
just
have
to
take
every
opportunity
to
encourage
the
city
and
the
potential
developers
along
this
area
to
really
push
to
actually
put
make
this
something
more
than
just
transit
oriented
development
on
paper.
I
Yes,
there
is
a
bus
line
that
goes
along
state
street,
but
it
doesn't
stop
anywhere
in
our
neighborhood,
except
on
saxton
street,
which
is
at
the
end
of
that
interim
pathway
that
we've
discussed
with
the
city
during
phase
one
and
then
it
kind
of
seemed
to
have
disappeared
and
but
fortunately
the
applicant
as
they
stated.
We
agree.
I
think
they
describe
that
accurately
have
been
in
discussions
with
ccdc,
which
we
appreciate.
I
I
I
I
Regarding
the
swales,
we
agree
with
the
applicant.
We
oppose
strongly
swales
originally
in
part
one,
but
we
were
happy
with
the
changes
they
made
and,
let's,
let's
stop
here:
let's
not
do
any
more
swales,
but
we
we
understand
the
applicant's
desire
to
continue
that
improved
pattern
that
they're
that
they're
doing
for
part
one.
So
we're.
Okay
with
that
and
again,
we
do
appreciate
their
agreement
to
do
the
multi-ml
pathway.
J
Got
a
few
questions
if
I
can
david
one
of
the
questions
I
have
had
to
do
with
the
fire,
the
memo
from
the
fire
department
and
I'm
curious
if
you
can
just
sort
of
shed
light
on
it,
page
575
report.
Basically
the
initial
report
or
the
initial
letter
from
the
fire
department
said
and
the
conditions.
I
guess
that
we
were
also
here
basically
said
that
only
so
much
could
be
built
before
the
next
fire
station
was
to
be
built
and
not
to
move
ahead
with,
I
think,
was
building
five.
J
J
G
The
the
fire
department,
I
think
the
applicant-
had
some
additional
discussion
with
them
regarding
the
original
rezone
applique
or
their
original
rezoned
letter
and
kind
of
discussed
some
things
additional
to
them.
I
guess
the
fire
department
did
some
additional
review.
I
don't
know
what
their
calculus
was,
but
they
ultimately
came
back
and
said
you
know
you
can
build
both
buildings
but
you're
going
to
be
limited
on
the
occupancy.
I
believe
it
is
of
the
top
floor.
G
G
K
K
So
ambulance
responses,
other
sorts
of
emergency
service
response
times,
so
it
wasn't
as
much
a
fire
question
as
it
was
just
emergency
ability
to
provide
emergency
services
for
that
many
tenants,
probably
given
because
of
what's
happened
with
silver
cloud
next
to
us
to
the
west.
But
so
our
question
was
the
the
larger
more
complex
building,
which
is
that
of
building
six.
The
bigger
building
that
building
would
take
a
lot
longer
to
construct.
K
J
One
for
actually
for
mr
lewin,
mr
lewin.
I
know
that,
with
respect
to
the
bio
swells,
it
sounds
like
swales.
It
sounds
like
you're
okay
with
this,
but
one
of
the
things
that
occurred
to
me
was
that
the
north
south
street
is
in
its
row,
is
the
possibility
of
folks
coming
off
of
state
street
at
a
high
rate
of
speed,
and
what
I
understand
is
that
achd
has
requested
no
trees
to
be
planted
in
those
swales
trees
act
as
traffic
homing.
J
B
I
J
You're
you
mentioned
that
you're,
okay,
with
the
bioswales,
as
requested
by
the
applicant.
I
understood
you
to
be
for
that,
but
what
condition
from
achd
was
such
that
no
trees?
You
know
in
this
case
basically
street
trees
sort
of
would
be
permitted
into
that
swale.
So
you
know
the
neighborhood.
This
is
your
neck
of
the
woods.
The
one
of
the
the
abilities
of
tree
trees
have
is
to
slow
traffic
to
calm
traffic,
so
folks
coming
off
of
state
street,
going
towards
eagle
direction
going
and
guessing
at
40,
45
or
even
faster,
making
that
right-hand
turn.
J
This
is
one
sort
of
tool
in
the
toolkit
and
the
sunset
neighborhood,
by
the
way,
which
I
know
is
not
yours,
literally
just
as
approved,
had
division
zero
statements
all
over
it,
which
this
is
what
that
is.
So
I'm
curious,
your
general
response
about
this
sort
of
trade-off
between
the
utilization
of
bioswales,
with
the
in
this
case
not
permitting
street
trees.
I
I
appreciate
the
question
commissioner
danley
so
just
to
think
on
my
feet
here
quickly,
so
I
kind
of
heard
two
things
from
you
and
I
may
be
interpreting
them.
I
might
be
interviewing
them
correctly
in
what
you're
thinking
about
so
trees
could
reduce.
Could
both
one
tend
to
slow
traffic?
If
I
understood
you
correctly,
which
I
would
agree
with
and
also
they
could
reduce
the
visibility
and
those
two
things.
The
reduction
of
visibility,
of
course,
could
be
dangerous.
I
Slowing
traffic
is
good,
so
I'm
I'm
kind
of
seeing
both
of
those
things.
I
completely
agree
with
you,
though,
that
this
is
a
very
dangerous
intersection
on
road
street.
Exactly
for
the
reason
that
you
said
people
coming
west
cruising
finally
getting
out
of
out
of
boise,
they
go
faster
than
45
or
50
along
state
street,
and
then
so
people
don't
want
to
slow
down
too
much
before
they
hang
a
right
onto
row,
because
everybody's
concerned
about
getting
rear-ended
if
they
slow
down,
so
people
tend
to
go
into
row
very
quickly.
I
I
L
I
have
a
question
for
both
the
city
and
the
applicant
with
respect
to
the
swales
question.
One
is
why,
for
the
previous
development,
what
was
the?
Why
did
the
city
agree
to
put
the
swales
in
the
in
the
landscape
buffer
previously,
and
why
did
the
applicant
request
it
previously,
and
my
second
question
for
the
applicant
is
if,
if
the
lands,
the
escape
swit,
if
the
swales
are
not
in
the
buffer,
where
are
you
going
to
put
the
storm
water
retention.
G
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
the
the
swales
on
the
on
the
property
to
the
north,
and
I
think
scott
might
have
a
better
idea
on
this.
They
were
ultimately
decided
at
an
appeal
at
council.
Council
ultimately
decided
to
put
the
or
allowed
the
swales
to
go
as
part
of
an
appeal
of
that
original
development.
G
H
Go
ahead
sure
when,
when
we
were
working
with
the
north
west,
community
association
and
the
city
council,
what
we
came
up
with
was
just
some
measures
to
make
it
more
safe
for
people
who
are
parking
on
the
street.
So
we
added
a
few
things.
We
added
a
two
foot
flat
landing
right
off
right
off
the
street
and
on
the
other
side,
next
to
the
sidewalk
and
we're
doing
the
same.
H
So
those
were
the
reasons
also
we
we
added
some
basically
some
crossing
so
that
down
the
length
of
the
swell
there's
a
place
for.
If
I
got
on
my
car,
I
could
walk
across
like
a
little
bridge
and
we
put
all
those
in
and
we
would
do
the
same
on
this
wheel.
The
only
difference
was
between
then
and
now.
Achd
changed
their
their
typical
design
of
the
swale,
and
they
just
don't
want
him
in
there,
because
a
lot
of
other
people
that
have
done
this
whales
have
put
trees
in
the
wrong
area.
H
They've
not
done
them
correctly.
Now
we've
made
a
commitment
to
do
it
and
we
also
have
kind
of
an
agreement
that
shows
that
I
would
speak
also
to
the
the
calming
measures
for
traffic.
Definitely,
it's
true
that
people
come
off
there
fairly
fast
off
state
street,
but
even
though
we
wouldn't
have
the
trees
there,
we'd
have
the
sidewalk
and
right
behind
the
sidewalk.
We'd
have
trees
right
along
there.
H
H
L
H
Madam
chair
commissioners,
you
know
the
for
us
right
now.
What
we're
facing
even
on
limelight
village,
one
is
increased
construction
costs
lot.
You
know
it's
we're
over
budget
for
sure.
We
want
to
provide
housing,
that's
needed
in
in
boise,
and
we
don't
we've
had
some
estimates
on
phase
two,
but
we
know
it's
going
to
go
up,
but
the
hardship
it
gives
us
is
that
we're
gonna
have
to
put
in
more
pavers
and
more
of
these
drainage
basins.
H
It
requires
us
to
do
earthwork
and
we
have
to
put
these
basins
in
and
there's
some
they're
called
storm
trek,
storm
tech,
trains
and
they're
there.
It's
a
equipment
that
we
have
to
buy,
and
so
it's
basically
cost
us
a
lot
more
money
to
do
it
on
site
and
we
have
to
bring
it
into
our.
We
have
to
change
our
plans,
basically
on
the
site,
it's
more
expensive
for
us
to
do
it.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
H
Madam
chair
commissioners,
I
just
want
to
thank
the
commission
as
well
as
david.
I
think
he's
done
a
great
job
on
the
report
and
I
would
just
ask
you
to
really
consider
the
swale
issue
it.
It
really
does
make
a
big
difference
for
us
in
terms
of
the
costs,
and
we
think
that
it
really
provides
a
consistent,
visual
look
and
we
do
think
it's
going
to
meet
all
the
requirements
as
well
as
meeting
all
of
the
alternative
compliance
requirements
that
the
city
has
we'll
meet
all
of
those
requirements.
Thank
you.
B
L
I'm
chairman
and
I'd
just
like
a
nod
that
maybe
from
the
applicant
in
the
city
that
that
is
sufficiently
clear
in
terms
of
direction,
so
I'm
seeing
to
not
so
madam
chairman
good
application,
I,
like
you,
know
I
like
a
lot
about
it.
I
like
having
the
path
back
the
12
foot
wide
path.
I
know
my
colleague
chris
is
deeply
concerned
about
the
meander
but
I'll.
Let
that
get
straightened
out
later
so
to
speak.
L
L
B
N
E
Madam
chair
commissioner
blanchard
just
very
briefly,
I
just
want
to
commend
the
architect
on
this
one
for
the
site
design.
I
really
like
the
site
design
the
way
the
building
front
state
street
the
way,
the
way
it
should,
and
so
I
it's
a
really
a
model,
look
for
the
way
we
we
want
to
see
our
corridor.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
J
There's
a
couple
things
I
think
to
add
to
this:
please
don't
meander
that
please
don't
meander,
that
we
don't
walk,
we
don't
we
don't
bike
ride
in
a
meandering
way.
This
is
a
commuting
corridor.
That's
why
so
I
mean
literally
millions
has
been
put
into
this
corridor
for
all
the
tod
stuff
that's
been
mentioned
and
so
forth.
I
was
at
a
meeting
today
at
valley
ride
the
money's
coming
the
construction
is
coming.
J
I
promise
you
all
of
the
16
plus
years
of
planning
is
starting
to
actually
bear
fruit,
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we've
been
discussing
ad
nauseam
is
starting
is
going
to
start
happening.
So
I
wanted
to
say
one
thing
too,
is
to
add
on
to
the
design
the
fact
that
you
did
pull
things
up
the
street.
That's
beautiful!
That's
what
we
need
more
of,
and
I
commend
you
on
that
with
regard
to
the
rose
street
thing
in
the
future.
J
You
know
I
agree
with
commissioner
gillespie
that
I
can
see
where
the
direction
of
the
council
would
go
but
trees.
First,
then,
the
vulnerable
people,
half
behind
them
behind
the
moving
threat.
That's
coming
45
miles
an
hour
toward
them
right.
So
that's
what
hopefully
in
the
future
we
can
see
more
of
but
overall,
a
good
application.
Just
things
I
thought
you
should
hear.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Danley.
Okay,
with
that,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
from
commissioner
gillespie
and
seconded
by
commissioner
mooney,
to
recommend
approval
of
car
22-2
and
to
approve
pd
22-8,
with
the
edit
to
item
number
seven
to
read
that
the
landscape
buffer
may
contain
swales
as
long
as
the
design
standards
are
equal
to
the
previous
development
on
that
property.
Something
like
that
is
that
what
you
have
crystal
okay,
good,
we're
close
okay
and
with
that
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote
instead.
C
B
O
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
item
before
you
is
a
request
for
a
variance
to
exceed
the
maximum
background
area
for
an
existing
sign
located
at
513
north
milwaukee
street.
In
the
c2d
zone,
signage
for
the
west
park,
town
plaza
shopping
center
currently
includes
two
center
signs.
Four
monument
signs
and
various
wall
signs.
O
The
existing
center
sign
located
at
the
intersection
of
milwaukee
street
and
west
park
street
is
the
subject
of
the
variance
request.
The
development
code
allows
center
signs
to
have
a
maximum
background
area
of
150
square
feet.
The
existing
sign
was
constructed
with
approximately
270
square
feet
of
background
area,
as
was
allowed
by
a
conditional
use
permit
approved
in
1989..
O
The
variants
requested
by
the
applicant
would
increase
the
total
background
area
of
the
sign
to
approximately
340
square
feet.
The
applicant's
letter
of
intent
cites
a
pass
conditional
use
permit
for
a
sign
with
300
square
feet
of
background
area
in
this
location
as
justification
for
their
request.
The
applicant
also
identified
the
curb
and
milwaukee
street
and
the
large
setbacks
of
these
existing
buildings
from
the
street
as
factors
which
make
it
difficult
for
passing
cars
to
read
the
wall.
O
Signs
on
the
buildings
concerns
regarding
the
increased
prevalence
of
online
shopping
and
the
cobit
19
pandemics
impact
on
brick
and
mortar
retailers
were
also
raised
by
the
applicant.
The
planning
team
finds
that
none
of
the
justifications
provided
by
the
applicant
constitute
a
hardship
or
exceptional
circumstance.
B
P
Jeff
huber,
8385
west
emerald
street
boise
sabrina.
Could
we
have
the
first?
This
is
a
an
aerial
of
our
shopping
center
that
was
constructed
in
1989
in
conjunction
when
the
mall
was
constructed.
Also,
yet
it's
a
large
center
consisting
of
239
000
square
feet.
There's
31,
tenants
on
13,
separate
parcels
and
there's
two
currently,
two
monument
signs
and
four
and
or
four
monument
signs
and
two
pylon
signs
could
have
the
next
slide.
P
P
It
was
the
first
target
in
the
state
and
the
city
welcomed
them
with
open
arms
and
we
were
happy
to
have
them
and
they
they
insisted
on
taking
the
whole
pile
on
the
second
pylon
sign.
Ross
was
con
constructed
at
the
same
time
they
wanted
half
of
the
pylon
and
they
got
it
too,
and
they
were
happy
to
have
that
store
in
boise
boise
was
just
starting
to
bloom
in
the
national
spotlight.
At
that
time,
look
we
have
the
next
slide
sabrina.
P
This
is
the
view
from
the
from
the
intersection
of
west
park
street
and
milwaukee,
and
you
can
see
that
the
visibility
is
non-existent.
At
that
point,
we
have
the
next
slide
sabrina
as
you
drive
down
just
before.
You
enter
the
curve,
the
visibility
it
doesn't
even
exist
there
and
the
the
shops
that
are
as
the
number
of
shops
that
face
the
north
they're
right
in
this
area.
Here
we
have
the
next
slide,
sabrina,
please
and
then
the
next
one.
That's
again
it's
blocked.
P
P
We
have
the
next
slide
sabrina
now
at
this
point,
you're
coming
in
right
at
the
end
of
the
curve
and
you've
got
to
pay
attention
to
the
street
and
there's
the
only
point
that
we
really
have
some
visibility
of
our
shops
in
the
back
and
the
shops
to
the
right
of
carl's.
Here,
there's
a
number
of
small
shops
there
that
you
can't
look
and
see
them
unless
you're
looking
out
the
back
of
your
car
with
the
next
slide,
sabrina
here's
a
couple
shots
from
inside
the
parking
lot.
P
P
P
She
was
quite
a
character,
a
real
pioneer.
You
read
about
people
like
her
in
the
history
books
and
she
and
her
husband
stayed
on
that
farm
until
they
died.
They
were
offered
millions
of
dollars
by
the
mall
owners.
They
were
offered
a
lot
from
by
us
and
she
wouldn't
not
leave
the
farm.
So
the
road
had
to
take
that
big,
curb
there
to
connect
down
to
fairview,
and
that
is
an
unusual
site
characteristic
in
our
mind,
that
throws
the
the
general
motorist
off
when
they're
going
past
our
center
and
they
cannot
see
our
signage.
P
We
have
the
next
slide,
sabrina.
I'm
going
to
give
you
four
or
five
examples
here
of
typical
centers
that
are
about
the
same
size
as
ours
and
they're
all
parallel
to
the
street
and
the
streets
are
always
straight,
that
is
the
fairview
plaza
west
on
fairview,
eagle
and
newstick.
There's
a
number
of
commercial.
There,
canyon
plaza
shopping
center
in
nampa,
a
former
bro
shopko
on
broadway
and
the
shops
on
milwaukee,
just
down
the
street
from
us.
P
P
P
This
is
a
plat
of
our
shopping
center.
We
have
13
separate
parcels.
As
per
the
code.
We
could
be
allowed
additional
monument
signs
on
milwaukee
street
emeril
street
west
park
street.
We
even
have
a
frontage
on
benjamin
street,
but
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
they
discourage
the
clutter
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
tonight
is
to
not
have
additional
monument
signs
cluttering
up
the
the
street
and
the
view
from
the
street,
but
put
it
all
right
on
that
one
pylon.
P
B
Okay,
okay,
so
you're
finished
with
your
presentation,
oh
for
the
rebuttal.
Okay,
excellent,
perfect!
Great!
Thank
you!
Okay
great!
Is
there
anybody
present
to
represent
the
neighborhood
association
that
would
be
the
west
boise
bench.
Mr
cockrell
come
on
up.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Q
Yeah
chris
cockrell
10
460
saranac
drive,
so
the
west
boise
neighborhood
association
understands
and
sympathizes
with
the
struggles
local
small
businesses
face
and
the
need
for
adequate
signage
to
direct
customers
to
their
business.
We
also
understand
that
there
may
be
many.
There
may
be
signage
options
for
the
west
park
shopping
center,
that
conform
with
boise
city
code
but
place
those
new
signs.
Q
Adding
additional
signage
to
the
existing
pylon
signage
structure
consolidates
the
needed
signage
into
an
existing
signage
structure,
with
a
location
that
is
optimally
suited
for
visibility
and
safety
of
passing
traffic.
So
the
west
boise
neighborhood
association
supports
white
laser
development,
company's
variance
request
for
additional
signage.
Q
I
should
point
out
that
you
know
we've
had
in
our
private
facebook
group
right
about
90
eyes
on
it,
so
we
have
given
people
the
opportunity
to
to
see
it
to
make
comments
and
there's
not
opposition
to
this.
We
understand
that
yeah.
This
is
outside
of.
I
guess
what
the
code
ought
to
include,
or
I
mean
we're
obviously
already
outside
of
what
the
code
ought
to
include.
Q
Q
Where
we've
wanted
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
improve
what's
happening
there.
Can
we
make
it
a
better,
a
more
vibrant
shopping
center?
Can
we
pull
more
people
to
the
area
based
on
how
we
do
that
and
we
feel
like
this
is
a
good
opportunity.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
at
least
put
in
our
two
sense
of
saying
yeah.
We
we
do
think
this
is
a
good
plan.
It
consolidates
it
helps
with
what
I
think
is
hardship
for
quite
a
few
small
businesses
that
don't
have
good
visibility
and
yeah.
Q
I
also
think
the
the
physical
geographical
layout
of
that
area
isn't
normal.
My
understanding
is
that
you
have
to
have
a
hardship
to
be
approving
a
variance
like
this,
and
I
do
think
both
of
those
aspects
come
into
it.
I'm
obviously
not
an
expert
when
it
comes
to
signage
code
right,
so
I
I
don't
know
what
all
the
downsides
end
up
being,
but
there's
probably
you
know
you
guys
can
tackle
that.
So
thanks
thank.
B
J
P
B
R
I'm
cheryl
livingston
and
I
reside
at
11950
west
cactus
court
in
boise,
and
I'm
here
tonight
representing
our
business
mixed
up
nutrition
and
15
other
businesses
in
the
west
park
shopping
center
that
has
no
signage
on
milwaukee
street.
The
signage
allows
customers
to
locate
us
and
also
advertise
us
mixed
up.
Nutrition
is
located
directly
behind
the
noodle
company
and
carl's
jr,
with
no
signage
the
pad
buildings
and
grown
trees
that
were
required
by
the
city
block
our
business
name
from
view,
while
driving
up
or
down
milwaukee
street.
R
This
has
created
a
hardship
on
our
new
business
that
we
acquired
in
december
of
2020
in
the
west
park
center,
especially
trying
to
recover
from
the
pandemic
as
well.
We
are
a
nutritious
shake
and
tea
business
and
we
are
losing
customers
by
not
being
able
to
find
us.
We
get
phone
calls
asking
where
are
you,
but
then
they
have
gone
on
their
way
somewhere
else
already,
and
maybe
next
time
they
will
come
by
we're
asking
the
commission
to
kindly
grant
a
variance
on
the
existing
ordinance
in
place.
R
Signage
on
milwaukee
will
enable
a
driver
to
locate
our
business
at
a
glance
while
driving.
This
would
be
safer
with
this
hardship
and
going
into
the
summer
months,
it
is
essential
to
have
signage
as
we
grow.
Our
business
at
the
west
park
shopping
center.
We
appreciate
your
consideration
and
your
approval.
Thank
you.
B
B
P
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
landscape
of
the
mom
and
pop
brick
and
mortar
tenants
has
changed
dramatically
since
1989,
especially
with
the
advent
of
online
shopping
and
online
shopping
accounts
for
21
percent
of
all
retail
sales.
Now
in
the
united
states,
and
is
growing
by
two
to
three
percent
per
year.
P
It's
increasingly
difficult
for
the
small
retailers
to
compete
in
a
world
with
pandemics
mandated
store
closures,
supply
line,
interruptions,
outrageous
gas
prices,
online
shopping
and
next
day
delivery
services
that
are
free
to
advertise
every
day
in
our
neighborhood.
Can
I
see
the
next
slide,
I'm
sure
we're
all
familiar
with
this
prime
delivery
service
going
in
everybody's
neighborhood.
P
P
If
there
are
members
of
the
commission
that
are
thinking
that,
if
you
approve
this
tonight,
that
you'd
have
to
approve
everybody
else
that
comes
before
you
for
additional
signage,
that's
not
true.
The
code
is
clear
that
an
applicant
cannot
point
to
a
non-conforming
sign
as
a
justification
for
their
application
to
be
approved,
so
each
each
application
has
to
stand
on
its
own.
P
B
L
S
As
staff
pointed
out
in
their
report,
there's
no
natural
hardship
or
exceptional
circumstances
that
would
allow
for
the
variance
and
with
that
prior
cup,
we've
already
allowed
for
almost
double
this.
You
know
square
foot
of
signage
that
is
allowed
by
the
code,
so
we've
already
created
that
visual
distraction,
and,
although
you
know,
I
think
we
sympathize
with
businesses
that
are
trying
to
you
know
advertise
in
different
ways.
S
L
So
I'll
I
support
the
motion
to
deny.
So
you
know
my
thinking
is
always
what
would
be
the
perfect
thing
to
do
if
I
was
the
boss
of
everything,
and
indeed,
if
I
was
the
boss
of
everything
I
might
say,
this
is
a
good
solution
to
the
problem
that
the
applicant
has.
Sadly,
my
wife
is
actually
the
boss
of
everything
and
in
this
particular
case
so
is
the
city
council
who
wrote
the
code.
They
wrote
the
code
the
way
they
wrote
the
code,
I
I
always
believe
rationally
and
intentionally.
L
T
B
U
21-66,
a
modification
of
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
11
multi-family
units
on
0.87
acres
located
at
10145
overland
road
and
an
nod
zone.
The
subject
property
is
surrounded
by
a
mixture
of
uses
such
as
offices,
single-family,
residential
and
assisted
living
facility
and
a
church,
and
it
is
located
approximately
a
quarter
mile
southeast
of
the
regional
activity
center
at
the
intersection
of
five
mile
road
in
overland
road
there's,
extensive
commercial
development
along
overland
to
the
north,
east
and
west.
U
The
density
in
the
nod
zone
is
14.5
units
per
acre
and
at
0.87
acres.
This
lot
would
allow
for
up
to
12
units.
The
apricot
proposes
a
4-plex
and
a
7-plex
for
11
units
total
the
applicant
plans
to
modify
two
conditions
of
the
original
cup
from
2008
that
limited
development
to
one
story,
but
did
not
provide
a
height
limit
and
called
for
a
15-foot
perimeter.
Setback
to
the
east
and
west
side
of
the
parcel.
U
U
This
development
is
required
to
have
14
parking
spaces
on
site
and
the
applicant
is
providing
18..
The
original
development
required
cross
access
and
maintenance
agreement,
but
this
was
never
recorded.
A
condition
of
approval
will
require
that
the
access
agreement
be
recorded
prior
to
the
issuance
of
any
building
permits.
Additionally,
the
applicant
will
need
to
utilize
the
solid
waste
facilities
abundant
in
the
common
parking
lot
or
provide
their
services
on
site.
U
Opposition
to
the
project
has
been
received
concerning
the
height
hours
of
operation,
parking
and
lack
of
open
space.
While
the
applicant
does
intend
to
modify
the
height
condition
of
cup
08-10,
it
is
not
out
of
line
with
the
underlying
zone
or
existing
development.
The
anno
zone
allows
for
heights
up
to
35
feet.
The
office
buildings
along
overland
are
all
at
least
18
feet
in
height,
and
the
assisted
facility
is
approximately
21
feet
to
the
midline
of
the
roof.
U
The
tallest
point
on
the
proposed
development
is
31
feet
to
the
midline
and
located
in
the
middle
of
the
building
step
downs
on
either
side.
The
residential
use
should
not
negatively
impact
the
hours
of
operation
for
existing
offices
and
the
development
is
proposing
to
provide
the
18
parking
spaces
on
site
when
14
are
required.
V
Hi,
my
name
is
jory
delgado.
I
am
with
jbi
elemental.
My
address
is
421
east
track
stand
lane
I'm
going
to
keep
it
very
brief.
On
my
end,
as
the
staff
did
a
really
good
job
helping
us
present
this
project,
I
am
in
agreeance
with
all
of
the
approval
criteria
that
was
listed
in
the
staff,
approval
or
the
staff
report,
so
I
will
leave
it
open
for
questions.
W
So
I'm
with
south
southwest
data
county
alliance-
and
we
oppose
this
development
first
off.
The
main
thing
we
see
is
the
height.
I
mean
it.
It's
nowhere
compatible
with
the
surrounding
area.
We're
worried
about
the
parking,
but
the
main
thing
we're
worried
about
is
the
open
space
I
was,
I
was
shocked
and
I
think
the
rest
of
us
were
shocked
to
learn
that
that
private,
patios
and
balconies
can
be
used
as
open
space
in
the
design
code.
W
I
would
think
that
open
space
means
open
space
for
everyone
unless
tenants
are
going
to
allow
other
residents
to
go
on
their
balconies
and
patios
to
recreate
and
converse
you
were
talking
earlier
about.
You
know
the
codes
in
place
for
a
reason
they're
asking
to
modify.
You
know
the
requirements
from
one
story
to
three
stories:
they're
asking
to
reduce
the
setbacks
and
then
the
issue
with
the
with
the
open
space
using
the
patios
and
balconies.
W
B
P
L
L
U
Madame
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
so
the
previous
cup
was
approved
in
2008,
believe
it
was
cp
08-10
and
that
approved
offices
along
overland
and
the
assisted
living
facility
that
has
been
built.
Currently,
there
was
basically
some
provision
to
potentially
provide
a
daycare
there,
but
that
would
have
to
come
back
for
modification
and
that
never
happened
so
the
basically
the
height
was
not
actually
put
out
in
a
square
footage.
It
was
limited
to
one
story
which
doesn't
really
give
a
whole
lot
of
specifics.
U
U
L
L
S
Madam
chair,
commissioner
finfrock,
I
had
a
question
for
the
city
as
well,
so
I
was
looking
through
the
code
and
I
think
it
says,
for
let
me
find
it.
The
neighborhood
office
with
design
review
the
standards
are.
Development
shall
be
of
a
scale
and
character
similar
to
nearby
residential
development,
to
promote
compatibility,
and
so
the
way
I
read
is
maybe
on
the
south
and
east
with
that
residential
units.
There
are
they
one
story:
are
they
two-story
and
do
you
read
the
code
to
say
that
we
should
keep
the
development
similar
to
that
height.
U
Madden
chair
commissioner
friend
rock
so
to
the
east.
There
are
one
and
two
story:
houses
I
think
the
one
that
is
closest
is
one
story,
but
the
one
directly
south
is
two-story
and
again
the
assisted
living
facility
is
residential.
I
mean
in
practice
and
that's
about
25
feet
high.
It
is
one
story
but
taller
than
your
typical
residential
unit,
and
I
would
say
that
31
feet
is
fairly
similar
to
25
feet,
especially
with
the
distance
between
the
buildings.
U
S
U
S
L
U
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
so
the
proposed
setbacks
for
the
perimeter
of
the
entire
development,
as
approved
by
the
cup,
the
required
setbacks.
Excuse
me
for
the
required
for
the
cup
were
15
feet.
The
proposed
setbacks
by
the
applicant
are
10
feet.
The
setbacks,
when
a
budding
residential
in
the
nod
zone
without
the
cup
would
also
be
10
feet.
N
N
U
Madam
chair
commissioner
mooney
so
essentially,
this
parking
lot
has
been
acting
just
for
these
businesses,
though
the
parking
spots
on
the
other
parcel
have
been
utilized
at
different
points
in
time,
and
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
cross-access
and
parking
and
maintenance
agreement
recorded,
but
that
never
happened.
Thank
you.
Z
I'm
sure
let
me
share
more
so
on
that
so
off
of
countryman,
there's
two,
it
looks
like
empty
pads
and
this
is
to
the
west
side
of
the
site.
I
think
they're
zones,
commercial-
is
there.
Are
there
any?
Is
that
planned
to
be
commercial?
Are
there
any
current
plans
or
development
agreements,
or
anything
like
that
for
those
two
parcels
that
you're
aware.
U
Of
commissioner
moore
sorry,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
moore,
are
you
speaking
to
the
parcels
that
are
off
of
countrymen?
Drive?
Yes,
those
ones
to
the
west?
Okay,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore
those
are
owned
by
a
church
and
we
have
not
received
any
development
applications
regarding
those
parcels.
Z
So
as
I
read
it,
the
two-story
building
is
on
the
east
side
of
that
kind
of
roundabout
and
then
the
three-story
building
is
on
the
west
side
and
it's
just
one
apartment,
it's
pretty
minimally
three-story
and
that
would
be
on
the
west
side
next
to
that
kind
of
commercially
zoned
piece.
Is
that
kind
of
correct?
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore.
B
Okay,
if
there
are
no
more
questions
from
the
commission,
then
we'll
go
to.
Thank
you
we'll
go
to
public
testimony.
We
have
a
few
people
on
the
sign
up
list,
but
why
don't
we?
If
anybody
is
in
the
house
and
would
like
to
testify?
Please
just
come
up
to
the
podium.
We
it's
okay.
If
we
queue
up
a
little
bit,
each
person
will
get
three
minutes,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
AA
The
mixed
use
project
is
similar.
Intensity
to
surrounding
development
and
staff
cannot
identify
any
conflicts
associated
with
approvals.
This
request,
conditions
of
approval
will
limit
the
hours
of
operation
and
design
of
the
office.
Lots
to
ensure
harmony
with
the
remainder
of
the
project
and
surrounding
neighborhood
cut
through
traffic
will
be
discouraged
by
the
circuitous
route
of
the
service
drive.
The
impact
on
the
privacy
of
adjacent
residents
will
be
minimal,
as
only
single-story
structures
are
proposed.
AA
AA
At
that
point
in
time,
the
cup
was
what
we
looked
to
our
developer
went
through
with
us.
The
intent
was
the
assist
living
facility
was
the
anchor
tenant.
We
had
an
office
building
that
fronts
on
overland
road.
Future
development
was
all
going
to
be
offices.
It's
kind
of
a
rectangular
parking
structure
on
each
side.
There's
two
buildings
on
the
west,
one
building
on
the
east.
These
proposed
buildings
kind
of
marry,
those
and
it's
perpendicular.
AA
So
our
concern
with
parking.
Yes,
they
have
by
code
the
amount
of
necessary
spaces
to
park
there,
but
we
just
are
really
concerned
about
overflow,
one,
our
our
offices.
We
have
customers
coming
going.
I
have
employees
that
work
there
were
concerned.
You
know
if
the
parking
lot
fills
up
with
residents
guests.
Where
are
they
going
to
go?
The
center
driveway
that's
shown
on
the
map,
is
a
fire
lane
and
the
assisted
living
facility
based
on
the
nature
of
their
occupants.
AA
We
have
more
visits
from
fire
and
paramedics
than
probably
most
folks
do.
As
far
as
our
concern.
If
parking
lots
full,
you
got
overflow
parking.
Are
people
going
to
park
in
the
fire
lane?
We
don't
have
life
safety
issues.
Additionally,
there's
no
amenities
posed
for
these
apartment
units.
You
know
open
space
where
the
kids
are
going
to
play.
I
mean
you're
limited
to
outdoor
balconies,
we're
concerned
we're
going
to
have
kids
in
the
parking
lot.
Kids
in
the
driveway
there's
just
nowhere
to
go
for
them.
AA
We
talked
to
the
developer
about
potentially
scaling
back
duplex
triplex,
still,
understanding
the
need
for
in-house
infill
housing
and
what
the
city
is
looking
for,
but
as
it's
proposed,
the
total
number
of
units
and
total
number
of
bedrooms,
we
just
don't
feel
fits
with
the
way
that
development's
laid
out
and
we
you
know
we
would
like
to
have
that
limited.
No
two
story.
No
three
story
go
back
with
the
original
intent
of
the
cup
was
to
limit
that
to
single
story.
AA
B
AB
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
chuck
bosen
and
address
is
815
south
bridgeway
place,
that's
an
eagle,
and
I
am
the
regional
vice
president
for
edgewood
healthcare.
We
operate
the
assisted
living,
that's
located
immediately
adjacent
to
those
parcels,
and
I
I
support
the
the
the
operations
here
in
idaho.
D
AB
And,
and
specifically
the
this,
this
parcel
and
I'll
be
honest.
I'm
not
a
public
speaker,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
planning
and
zoning,
but
I
do
know
senior
healthcare
and
I
do
have
a
pretty
good
idea
of
the
negative
impact
that
putting
residential
family
units
directly
in
front
of
our
our
assisted
living
would
have
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
I'll
just
try
to
highlight
a
couple
real
quickly,
one,
as
mentioned
the
the
cup
08-0-1-0.
AB
Back
in
2008
that
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
all
of
the
other
property
owners,
as
mike
alluded
to
earlier.
Reducing
the
distance
in
the
setback,
specifically,
the
one
parcel,
is
immediately
adjacent
to
our
patio
apartments
and
so
pushing
that
back.
You've
essentially
got
patio
to
patio,
which
would
have
a
tremendous
negative
impact
on
the
residents
that
currently
live
in
those
apartments
and
any
future
residents
that
would
live
there.
AB
As
mentioned
all
the
other.
Existing
buildings
are
limited
to
a
single
story,
including
the
assisted
living.
So
essentially,
if
you
look
at
the
plot
of
land-
and
you
try
to
put
two
and
three-story
multi-family
units
right
in
the
middle
of
this,
this
intended
business
park
would
would
eliminate
all
of
the
free
space.
It
would
eliminate
green
space.
AB
It
would
eliminate
the
opportunity
to
for
the
residents
that
currently
live
there
to
enjoy
their
their
current
space,
including
the
privacy
issues
from
higher
levels
to
safety
issues
with
additional
traffic
running
through
there.
The
other
thing-
and
mike
mentioned
this
is-
is
the
the
driveway
that
goes
around
our
assisted
living
to
the
east
side
and
around
the
back.
This
is,
this
is
really
a
service
road
and
it
does
lead
into
the
adjacent
neighborhood.
X
Whatever
else
is
in
there
at
this
time
understand
there
are
residentials
around
us,
but
there
is
a
pretty
big
fence
and
border
around
that,
so
it
makes
it
pretty
pretty
safe
for
my
residents
and
we
really
tried
to
keep
it
that
way
again,
we're
all
for
improvements
and
growth,
but
this
just
doesn't
make
sense
in
this
little
spot
where
we're
at.
So.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
consideration
and
hope
you
vote
negative
on
on
this.
Thank
you.
B
AC
Moore
I
reside
at
22033
elaine
in
middleton,
we
own
the
two
buildings
10101
west
overland
and
10173
west
overland,
which
is
adjacent
to
mr
hillman's
business,
and
we
purchased
those
with
the
intent
and
they've
already
touched
on
the
cup
that
was
agreed
upon
in
2008
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
cohesive
business
complex.
There.
AC
We
won't
have
any
control
over
what
those
what
those
folks
that
live
there,
the
noise
level
we
have
three
tenants
in
the
one
building
one
tenant
in
the
other
building
and
there's
constant
traffic
flow
of
traffic
throughout
the
day,
and
that
parking
lot
is
full
in
the
morning
with
staff
and
with
tenants
I
have
in
the
in.
We
submitted
several
concerns
from
my
tenants
and
they
have
indicated
to
me
their
lease
comes
up
for
renewal
in
august
and
they
have
they
have.
AC
Let
me
know
that
if
this
gets
approved
and
that
multi-family
gets
built,
they
will
not
renew
their
lease.
So
there
is
a
significant
impact
to
the
value
of
those
buildings
to
to
edgewood
into
mr
to
mike's
business
as
well.
The
other
item
that
I'm
somewhat
concerned
about
is
in
the
staff
report.
It
talks
about
trash
and
there's
no
place
for
trash
enclosure,
and
they
can't
use
our
trash
enclosure.
AC
That
is
just
would
be
north
of
the
multi-family,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
they
have
planned,
but
that
might
be
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed
as
well
as,
if
there's
pets,
there's
no
place
to
there's
no
place
to
go
so
guess
where
they're
gonna
go.
They're,
probably
gonna
end
up
in
our
parking
lot.
So
we
strongly.
We
strongly
encourage
you
to
vote
no
on
this
application.
B
B
T
T
I
hope
that
the
commission
has
a
ballpark
view
of
this.
.43
acre
parcel
we're
talking
about
because
that's
really
important
to
look
at
what
is
being
projected
at
this
point.
The
southwest
needs
services.
We
need
services
and
this
is
a
perfect
location
for
additional
office.
It's
a
it's
a
a
quiet
office
park.
T
I
have
seen
patients
in
that
facility
for
years
and
and
it
has
limited
open
space
and
I'm
going
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
have
haven't
been
addressed
yet
I,
the
the
city,
has
recommended
for
multi-family
zoning
to
exist
where
less
than
a
10-minute
walk
to
a
public
park
is
present.
Well
it.
This
is
more
than
that.
It's
it's
three
miles
to
peppermint
park,
so
any
multi-family
would
have
to
they'd
have
to
tolerate
the
the
traffic
on
overland
and
walk
closer
to
20
minutes
to
get
to
that
peppermint
park.
T
T
When
you
add
the
conflict
of
11
more
units,
you
have
a
single
story
office
park
that
has
existed
there
with
a
conditional
use.
That
said
single
story
and
I
think
that's
an
obligation
in
some
ways,
especially
as
we're
looking
at
infill,
sometimes
you're,
just
not
going
to
retrofit
every
infill
for
certain
types
of
residential,
and
this
is
certainly
one
that
would
not
be
compatible
as
a
three-story
building
when
everything
around
it
is
two-story
as
single-story
and
and
then
story
going
to
to
a
a
housing
development
to
the
west.
T
The
only
three
story
is
down
the
road
on
overland
in
a
cluster
of
three
stories,
so
I
think
you,
I
think
the
commission
has
an
obligation
to
look
what
is
there
and
and
fulfill
that
obligation,
as
well
as
the
the
safety
issue.
That's
going
to
be
put
upon
residential
if
they
end
up
living
in
a
place
where
the
children
would
have
to
spend
time
in
the
parking
lot,
because
there
is
no
open
space,
and
I
think
you
get
that
you
get
that
when
you
look
at
the
the
layout
of.
B
B
V
B
L
Look
I've
heard
about
20
of
these.
This
happens
all
the
time
now,
where
we
have
too
much
property
design,
zoned
conditioned
to
be
commercial
office,
light
office
and
there's
no
demand
for
it.
So
I've
heard
20
of
these
kinds
of
projects
where
20
years
ago
we
thought
it
was
going
to
be
light
office
and
they
can't
sell
it
like
the
people
who
own
this
land
are
they'd
love
to
put
light
officer,
they
can't
find
someone
to
do
it.
L
How
do
we
respond
to
that
simple
fact,
because
some
of
the
people
who
testified
tonight
basically
like
this
being
open
space
and
they
know
pretty
well,
it's
going
to
be
pretty
tough
to
find
some
nice
doctor
to
move
in
there
and
build
you
know
a
little
office.
It's
it's
not.
We
have
this
happens
all
the
time.
So,
as
we
think
about
it,
I'm
inclined
to
try
and
approve
the
use,
but
with
appropriate
conditions
of
the
pud.
So
that's
where
I'd
like
to
see
us
go.
Thank
you,
madam.
S
Chair
commissioner
finfrock
I'd
just
like
to
maybe
comment
on
that,
so
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
commissioner
commissioner
gillespie,
but
my
so
when
I
read
the
standard
of
that
zone.
It
says
you
know,
and
I've
read
it
earlier,
but
basically
the
development
shall
be
of
a
scale
and
character
similar
to
a
nearby
residential
development.
L
Try-
and
we
may
have
to
amend
this
and
get
so.
I
want
to
move
that.
We
approve
pud
21-66,
but
limit
the
height
of
the
buildings,
to
two
stories
and
restore
the
cup
driven
setbacks,
and
if
we
have
to
ask
the
applicant
to
defer
to
come
back
with
a
redesign,
I'm
also
okay
with
that,
but
for
the
time
being
I'll
just
make
a
motion
to
improve
pud
21-66
with
the
seat,
the
2008
cup
setbacks
and
restricting
the
height
of
the
buildings
to
two
stories
which
I
believe
is
compatible
with
the
area.
Second,.
C
L
Z
You
let
me
share
more,
so
I'm
actually
not
in
support
of
the
motion.
Really
it's
just
looking
at
the
r1b,
it's
the
maximum
building
height
in
r1b,
which
is
the
adjacent
zone.
That's
residential
zone
to
the
east,
is
35
feet
that
two-story
building
the
peak
height
is
under
29
feet.
In
my
mind,
it's
compatible
with
something
that
could
be
built
in
an
r1b
for
the
west
side.
Z
Z
So
I
think
with
those
two
in
terms
of
limiting
the
height,
that's
kind
of
why
I'm
a
little
bit
hesitant
for
that
condition
for
the
setbacks.
I
think,
because
the
underlying
zone
does
allow
for
that
10
feet,
I'm
comfortable
with
that.
I
know
the
r1b
and
I
don't
have
that
standard
up
in
front
of
me
the
r1b.
If
that
zone
is
15
feet,
then
I
might
be
a
little
bit
more
minimal
to
that
side
just
because
that
makes
it
compatible
with
that
r1b.
Z
Z
E
E
I
agree
with
commissioner
moore
in
that.
If
the
argument
here
is
that
there's
no
market
for
the
office
property,
so
then
we're
justified
in
doing
something,
I
would
argue,
there's
no
market
for
a
two-story
building
and
we're
gonna
be
sitting
here
with
the
same
thing.
So
that's
why
I
think
the
comments
about
the
adjacent
uses
and
what
the
proposed
heights
could
be
in
there
really
are
a
deciding
factor.
E
I
just
I
just
don't
you
know,
I
know
what
I
would
do
if
I
were
the
developer,
I
would
just
say:
okay
well,
forget
it
then
throw
my
hands,
because
we
you
know
we're
not.
We
just
can't
monetize
it
to
a
two-story
building
here.
So
I
think
we're
just
left
in
the
same
position.
If
we
limit
the
height
to
that.
L
N
Z
Z
Z
Sure
listen
or
more,
just
mainly
just
a
note,
yeah
appreciate
the.
I
think,
there's
probably
a
misunderstanding
with
the
intent
of
this
cup
that
it
was
an
office
park
where
residential
was
actually
allowed.
Maybe
that's
something
with
the
wording
of
the
daycare,
but
I
think
it
feels
compatible
to
me
to
the
adjacent
properties.
Z
AD
AD
There
is
a
buffer
along
the
eastern
border
as
well.
That
has
a
significant
tree
line.
I
don't
know
what
the
height
of
those
trees
are,
but
they're
big,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
great
buffer
for
the
residential,
I'm
also
the
belief
that
residential
is
compatible
with
residential
period.
I
just
think
this
is.
I
think
this
is
a
good
use
of
infill
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
Thank
you.
S
Madam
chair,
commissioner
finbrock,
I
won't
be
supporting
the
motion
and
I
just
back
to
what
I
originally
said.
I
think
the
code
is
clear
that
the
skill
and
the
character
have
to
be
similar
to
the
residential
developments
nearby
and
I
don't
think
35
feet
is
similar,
so
I
won't
be
supporting
the
motion.
C
B
D
B
U
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
mixed-use
development,
comprised
of
21
multi-family
units
and
ground
floor
commercial
space
on
0.59
acres
located
at
4210,
west
emerald
street
and
an
r3d
zone.
Subject:
property
is
surrounded
by
a
mixture
of
uses
such
as
offices,
single
and
multi-family
residential
personal
service
uses
in
a
cemetery.
U
U
The
applicant
is
proposing
two
buildings
with
three
live:
work
units
on
the
corner
and
18
multi-family
units
on
the
east
side
of
the
parcel,
the
applicant
plans
to
meet
all
setbacks
and
height
requirements.
Aside
from
our
variance
to
the
parking
setback
on
the
rear
property
line,
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
encroach
10
feet
into
the
rear
setback
in
order
to
maintain
the
existing
parking
and
access
point
to
the
site
off
of
wilson.
U
U
B
AE
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
commissioners,
amanda
bidwell
with
ev
studio,
725,
east
2nd
street
in
meridian,
idaho.
So
what
you
have
before
you
tonight
is
the
gem.
It's
a
development.
I've
been
working
on
with
tanner
and
brady
who
are
here
tonight
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide
as
mentioned.
This
is
on
the
corner
of
emerald
and
wilson.
AE
It's
on
the
transit
corridor.
You
know
go
to
the
next
side
and
this
is
our
site
plan.
So
it's
a
total
of
0.644
acres
and
we
are
proposing
two
separate
buildings
in
the
southwest
corner-
is
a
live
work.
Building
that
would
have
three
units
ground
floor,
commercial
with
two
stories
of
living
space
above
and
then
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
there's
an
apartment,
complex
or
sorry,
an
apartment
building
with
18
total
units
and
some
tuck
under
parking.
AE
We
are
proposing
a
fully
enclosed,
secured
bike
parking
within
the
apartment
building
for
those
residents
as
well,
and
then
each
unit
has
private
balconies
and
we
are
close
to
several
parks
for
open
space
requirements
and
landscape
plan.
You
can
see
on
the
north
side
there
we
are
proposing
some
pretty
dense
landscaping,
that
is,
to
help
with
the
parking
being
a
little
bit
closer
than
is
normally
allowed
by
code
and
is
an
argument
in
favor
of
our
variants.
There.
AE
Just
briefly,
looking
at
the
buildings
themselves,
these
are
this
is
the
apartment,
building
first
and
second
floor,
so
you
can
see
it
kind
of
steps
back
away
from
the
property
line
to
help
with
height
and
has
the
tuck
under
parking
there.
On
the
first
floor,
the
third
and
fourth
floors
are
the
same
units,
they're
all
two-story.
AE
These
are
the
building.
Elevations
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at
here.
It
does
fit
in
with
a
recently
approved
building
directly
to
the
east,
similar
style.
There
next
slide
just
some
more
of
the
elevations
of
the
apartment
that
west
elevation
faces
the
parking
lot
and
the
east
elevation
faces
the
building
adjacent
next
slide.
AE
Tanner
has
been
great
about
finding
artists
to
help
provide
some
artwork
to
fit
in
with
the
buildings
as
well,
and
because
we
are
on
the
existing
transit
corridor,
we're
helping
to
reduce
vehicle
miles
and
then
providing
the
commercial
there
with
the
live.
Work
as
well
helps
to
reduce
number
of
trips
needed.
AE
AE
AE
So
that
is
the
main
reason
for
our
request
to
the
variants.
Additionally,
we
additionally,
we
are
adding
that
landscaping
there.
This
is
the
existing
location
of
the
parking
and
there's
an
existing
fence
there,
so
we're
just
helping
buffer
some
of
the
headlights
and
stuff
from
the
adjacent
neighborhood.
These
were
the
conditions
of
approval
and
we're
in
full
agreement
with
those,
and
I
will
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
E
E
AE
N
N
N
So
we're
based
as
the
city
we're
basically
we're
we're
basically
putting
as
one
of
the
opposition
neighbors
said
where
the
neighbors
of
the
north
will
bear.
The
brunt
of
the
impact
versus
traffic
on
emerald
will
bear.
The
brunt
of
the
impact
is
kind
of
where
we
are
is.
That
is
that,
my
being
too
simplistic
for
the
staff.
U
Madam
chair,
commissioner
mooney,
I
think
that
the
the
closure
in
emerald
was
essentially
because
it
is
a
very
busy
street,
and
that
is
an
intersection
close
or
that
access
point
is
close
to
the
intersection
plus.
They
also
had
the
option
of
taking
access
from
the
less
busy
street,
which
is
what
we
typically
like
to
see.
N
AE
B
J
AD
J
See
anything
in
there,
nor
did
I
see
any
late
correspondence
that
specifically
looked
at
this,
and
so
it
looks
to
me,
like
the
existing
property,
has
a
lot
of
pretty
large,
mature,
bigger
canopy
trees,
and
it
looks
to
me
like
they're,
all
going
to
go
away
and
it
it
tells
me
that
there
isn't
necessarily
a
specific
mitigation
plan
in
sight,
but
that
there
are
proposals
for
trees
to
go
back
in.
But
basically
it's
like
an
incomplete
is
what
I'm
getting
at
so
is
there?
Is
there
something
I'm
missing
I
wanted?
J
U
D
B
AF
AF
Madam
chair
commission,
I'm
opposed
to
this
just
because,
like
commissioner
gillespie
had
said
on
the
last
pud,
the
tax
or
the
the
commercial
roles
are
down
right
now.
So
obviously
this
is
number
21
that
you
guys
have
heard.
You
know
we
don't
need
more
commercial.
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
vacant
commercial.
We
have
a
lot
of
vacant
commercial
around
this
area.
AF
So
that's
kind
of
a
concern
to
me.
There's
a
lot
of
residential
in
this
area.
You
know
there's
tattoo
places
that
are
down
the
road
that
are
open
until
10
o'clock,
there's
massage
places
that
are
open
24
hours
a
day.
You
know
the
other
issue
is
parking
with.
You
know
with
the
you
know,
with
this
area
because
most
of
the
parking
you
know
it's
a
very
small
parking
lot
in
relation
to
having
four
stories.
AF
You
know
a
lot
of
the
the
parking
on
wilson
is
already
taken
up
by
homeowners.
So
I
I
can
see
that
being
a
concern
and
since
they
they're
developing
a
building
on
the
corner
of
emerald
and
roosevelt,
all
that
parking
is
going
to
be
taken
up
now.
As
you
know,
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
to
park.
They
talk
about.
AF
You
know
interoper
transportation,
with
being
able
to
go
out
to
meridian,
well
achds,
closed
off
the
road
and
or
excuse
me
the
the
foot
and
bike
path
across
the
emerald
street
bridge
of
I-84.
So
you
can't
even
walk
to
the
mall
anymore
or
bike
to
the
mall
anymore.
If
you
want
to
stay
on
emerald
so
that
connectivity
is
is
going
away,
you
know
the
four
story
on
both
sides
of
on
the
north
and
south
sides
of
this.
AF
AF
But
you
know
it
just
kind
of
concerns
me
with
this
development
that
they're
just
packing
so
much
into
about
a
acre
and
a
half
block
and
there's
nothing
else
like
that
around
there,
and
I
know
it's
it's
zoned
r3d,
but
it's
a
very
small
section
of
r3d
in
the
commercial,
that's
even
farther
down
the
road
doesn't
have
this
high
of
a
density,
so
you
know
it
just
I
think
it
it
takes
away
from
a
lot
of
what's
what's
going
on
and
around
this
area
yeah!
That's
all
that
I
have.
B
AE
Sure
amanda
bidwell
here
with
evie
studio.
I
understand
that
parking
is
always
a
concern
on
these
new
developments.
We
are
required
to
have
28
stalls
and
we
are
showing
30
right
now,
so
we're
doing
our
best
to
get
as
many
on
the
site
as
possible
to
help
mitigate
that
as
far
as
height
and
density
go.
AE
E
E
B
B
F
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
before
you
use
an
appeal
of
the
planning
director's
approval
of
a
hillside
permit
for
the
grading
associated
with
a
residential
single-family
home.
The
project
site
is
0.5
acres
located
at
431
north
morningside
away
in
an
r-1b
zone.
This
lot,
this
property
is
lot
109
block
one
of
the
morningside
heights
subdivision
number
two
and
was
plotted
as
a
buildable
lot.
F
B
E
B
AG
AG
If
I
understand
the
approvals,
but
I
I
by
staff,
but
I
would
really
worry
if
you
would
imagine
what
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
an
unknown
volume
of
water
maintained
in
a
fractured
sandstone
vessel
with
no
known
inlet,
we
don't
know
where
it's
at
and
we're
going
to
watch
a
house
being
built
which
is
going
to
man.
The
grading,
but
actually
grading
in
this
case,
as
the
property
owner
just
spoke,
will
demand
chipping
away
at
the
standstill.
AG
This
is
not
simply
going
in
and
dig.
We
will
see
two
big
backhoes
in
there
with
a
chisel
on
them
grinding
away,
very
close
to
where
this
spring
is
my
concern
is
we
have
not
been
given
any
information
on
what
mitigations,
what
plans
for
monitoring
of
or
what's
going
to
happen
to
this
spring?
That's
why
we
would
request
the
delay
in
this
approval
until
that
information
can
be
provided
to
us
by
a
geotech
engineer
or
a
hydrologist.
B
AD
AH
B
D
AD
Hi,
thank
you.
I
guess
my
question
is
is
just
in
relation
to
mr
bakker's
concerns
about
not
having
a
known
inlet
and
not
understanding
what
the
mitigation
will
be.
I'm
just
hoping
that.
Maybe
you
can
give
us
a
little
bit
more
explanation
as
to
what
we
do
know
and
for
those
things
that
we
don't
know
what
those
next
steps
would
be
prior
to
any
sort
of
building
permit
or
occupancy
permit
being
granted
and.
T
AH
Yes,
we
we,
we
definitely
have
have
some
work
to
do
on
this
lot.
This
isn't
something
new
that
the
city
has
ran
into
before,
with
with
springs
popping
up
on
lots,
pretty
much
the
entire
foot
east
end.
A
neighborhood
has
springs
that
pop
up
into
the
right
of
way,
which
one
of
these
appeal
letters
did
talk
about
the
spring
at
roanoke.
AH
That
achd
had
to
fix
this
last
year.
Typically
on
a
lot
like
this,
if
we
have
a
spring,
the
spring
is
coming
from,
the
foothills
and
and
water
is,
is
beautiful
and
it'll
it'll
run
through
cracks
in
the
in
the
rocks,
and
it
just
springs
up
wherever
now
on
the
opposite
side
of
this
hill,
where
the
city
park
is
used
to
be
called
castle
rock.
AH
But
now
I
I
forget
what
the
name
is,
but
there
was
a
spring
on
that
side
that
we
mitigated
years
ago
so
springs
just
happen,
and
for
for
this
lot
to
be
approved,
it's
a
buildable
parcel.
There
are
mitigation
techniques
that
we
have
employed
or
engineers
have
employed
by
putting
a
full
under
drain
system
under
the
houses
to
to
capture
any
water.
That
does
come
up
on
the
lots
and
then
that
system
is
typically
tied
into
achd
systems.
AH
The
water
is
getting
there
anyhow
we're
just
going
to
give
it
more
of
a
direct
path.
That's
what
happened
at
roanoke!
That's
what
happened
all
over
the
east
end.
I've
been
with
the
city
for
10
years,
and
I've
probably
been
involved
with
a
dozen
or
so
of
these
types
of
of
construction
projects,
and
they
tend
to
work
they
you
know,
there's
there's
some
that
you
gotta
watch
a
little
bit
closer
because
of
spring
activity
and
how
how
much
water
it
is
this
one
with
the
spring,
not
even
reaching
the
road.
AH
At
times
I,
the
geotex
and
myself,
are
not
terribly
concerned
with
it,
we're
going
to
put
the
conditions
of
of
the
underdrain
and,
and
we
put
the
condition
that
they
have
to
tie
it
into
achd
system
with
their
approval.
The
only
outlier
is,
if
ahd
says
no
and
then
we're
back
to
the
drawing
board
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
rid
of
the
water.
Z
So
on
packet,
page
883-
and
this
is
in
the
letter
from
kane
schaefer
or
I
think
it's
the
approval
letter-
it's
one
condition
number
five
under
prior
to
approval,
building,
permit
or
grading
permit.
It
mentions
a
site
suitability
letter
based
on
the
most
recent
construction,
drawings
and
grading
and
drainage
plans.
What
what
is
included
in
that
site?
Suitability
letter
is
that
just
based
off
the
geotech.
F
Y
Yes,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
all
right
wonderful,
commissioner,
madame
chair
and
commissioner
moore
in
regards
to
a
site,
suitability
letter,
there's
a
required
per
our
hillside,
technical
manual,
that
oversees
residential
development
in
the
foothills
and
what
that
is
asking
is
a
site
suitability
letter
from
the
geotechnical
engineer
after
they
have
reviewed
the
most
recent
construction,
drawings
and
grading
plan.
That
would
show
the
subfloor
drainage
and
it
would
be
their
approval
on
that.
The
planned
construction
project
meets
their
recommendations
and
their
requirements
in
their
geotechnical
report.
N
N
F
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
mooney
that
language
is
part
of
the
staff
report.
It's
not
technically
a
condition
to
be,
or
maybe
it's
up
for
debate
to
be
modified,
and
I
know
in
putting
together
this
report.
It
was
a
kind
of
a
team
effort
here
with
public
works.
So
if
you
know
kane
or
jason
want
to
speak
to
the
response
to
appeal
point
number:
seven,
where
we
talk
about
where
we
don't
believe
this
spring,
we'll
have
downgrade
effects.
Y
Yes,
commissioner
mooney,
you
are
correct.
Water
is
going
to
follow
the
path
of
least
resistance
and
with
a
subfloor
drainage
system
under
the
entire
residence
that
will
be
designed
by
the
engineers
and
the
geotechnical
engineers
that
spring
wherever
it
is
popping
up
on
the
site,
will
follow
that
path,
release
resistance
through
the
drain
rock
and
into
ultimately
once
they
get
if
they
do
get
achd
approval
into
these
right-of-ways
drainage
system.
So
you
are
correct.
B
AI
One
of
my
concerns
is
this:
the
issue
with
the
water
getting
into
the
achd
drainage
system
that
I
understand
we,
it's
not
been
made
clear
to
us
exactly
how
that's
going
to
happen.
So
we
had
an
email
from
one
of
the
city
engineers
saying
one
of
the
possibilities
would
be
just
to
let
it
run
across
the
sidewalk
and
into
the
storm
drains,
which
I
think
is
sort
of
what
we
have
over
on
roanoke
and
during
the
winter.
AI
That's
really
hazardous.
It
turns
into
a
sheet
of
ice
and
that
street
is
where
a
lot
of
people
walk
in
our
neighborhood
and
other
neighborhoods
walk
their
dogs.
And
so
my
concern
is
that
we
haven't.
You
know:
that's
not
been
made
clear
to
us
how
how
that
water
is
going
to
get
off
their
property
and
into
the
storm
drains
and
not
impact
our
neighborhood.
AJ
AJ
If
we,
if
something
happens
to
that
road
and
the
water's
gushing
out
we're
going
to
I'll
be
stuck
up
there,
there's
13
houses
up
there
and
it'll
be
icy.
You
know
we
have
no
way
out
it's
a
hazard
for
us.
That's
why
I'm
concerned
and
who's
going
to
pay
for
all.
This
is
that
the
builder
and
how
much
will
it
cost?
We
don't
know
any
of
that.
AJ
B
B
E
Yes,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
again
agree,
as
stated
previously,
we
understand
the
concerns
we've
had
that
we
have
the
geotech
completely
involved
the
civil
engineer
group
and
the
public
works
and
hillside
involved
in
this,
and,
as
noted
in
the
concerns
we
have
addressed,
we
have
spoken
with
achd.
We
have
revised
or
made
the
design
more
clear
and
have
section
details
that
show
how
all
those
systems
are
going
to
work
and
where
they
tie
in
and
how
they
discharge.
E
B
E
AG
AG
I
understand,
yeah
trench
drains
and
in
the
house,
gonna
take
away
that
water.
What
if
that
water
doesn't
go
towards
the
house?
What,
if
that
water
goes
down
the
hill
towards
the
street,
there's
almost
20
foot
of
elevation
difference
between
where
that
spring
is
and
where
that
street
is
water,
will
go
downhill.
That's
my
worry.
I
I
talk
to
the
city
staff
and
that's
what
they
expressed.
We
protecting
the
house.
AG
We
would
like
the
same
protection
for
our
homes,
which
have
been
there
for
considerable
amount
of
time.
All
we're
asking
is
a
delay.
Let's
find
out,
let's
see
the
geotech
report.
Let's
see
what
that
letter
says:
let's
get
those
things
in
before
we.
Let
them
start
pounding
away
at
this
piece
of
property.
Thank
you.
B
Z
So
I
mean,
I
think,
that
the
appellants
rebuttal
was
exactly
the
reasons
why
I
moved
to
deny
it
so
based
on
my
understanding,
is
there's
a
desire
for
details
to
be
worked
out
prior
to
approval
of
building
permit,
and
that's
exactly
what
this
kind
of
recommended
conditions
of
approval
of
their
foothills
permit
includes.
It's
conditioned
they
to
get
a
building.
Permit
they're
required
to
provide
those
details,
they're
required
to
provide
that
site.
Z
B
Okay,
as
soon
as
we
get
our
commissioner
gillespie
back
then
we'll
get
started
again:
good
timing,
sir
okay,
so
we
are
moving
on
to
item
number
12..
This
is
our
last
here
item
of
the
night:
cp
22-7
for
rodney
evans
and
partners.
Pllc
at
1604,
south
philippi
street
conditional
use
permit
for
a
group
home
on
0.3
acres
located
in
an
lod
zone.
Go
ahead,
ms
garlic
good
evening.
F
Madam
mayor
members
of
the
commission,
before
you
is
request
for
conditional
use
permit,
the
project
site
is
0.3
acres
located
in
the
lod
zone
at
1604,
south
phillippi
street.
The
site
is
currently
developed
with
a
vacant
office,
commercial
office
building,
which
was
originally
constructed
as
a
single
family
home
in
1954
and
converted
into
office
in
the
1990s.
F
The
property
is
situated
at
the
southeast
intersection
of
west
overland,
road
and
south
philippi
street,
with
valley,
regional
transit
bus
route,
running
adjacent
to
the
site
and
a
bus
stop
located
directly
west.
There
is
a
mix
of
uses
in
the
general
neighborhood
which
include
residential,
commercial
and
recreation.
F
Less
than
a
quarter
mile
to
the
east
is
a
community
activity
center
at
overland
and
orchard,
with
the
hillcrest
shopping
center
just
north
of
the
site.
The
proposed
project
includes
renovating
the
interior
existing
building
to
convert
into
a
residential
group
home
containing
eight
bedrooms,
two
bathrooms
a
laundry
room
and
shared
living
with
shared
kitchen
facilities.
F
Minor,
exterior
improvements
are
proposed
with
the
structure
remaining
largely
unchanged.
The
standards
of
the
ele,
the
proposed
structure
and
on-site
parking
meet
and
exceed
all
setbacks
and
development
standards
of
the
lod
zone,
as
proposed.
The
use
is
not
more
intensive
than
what
is
allowed
or
conditionally
allowed
in
the
lod
zone.
F
The
element
of
the
proposed
project
that
triggers
the
need
for
this
conditional
use
permit
is
the
conversion
from
office
to
residential.
The
proposed
use
is
compatible
to
the
uses
in
the
general
neighborhood
and
is
large
enough
to
accommodate
the
proposed
use
with
all
the
dimensional
and
development
standards
being
met.
F
F
Additionally,
there
was
a
request
to
defer
this
item
in
order
for
the
neighbors
to
get
more
time
to
get
feedback
from
idaho
power
and
a
previous
tenant
of
the
home
staff
found
that
this
project
is
compatible
with
a
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
all
the
required
findings
for
the
cup
staff
recommends
approval
and
the
motion
needed
as
a
final
action.
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
AK
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
ben
semple,
with
rodney
evans
and
partners,
1450
west
bannock
street
boise,
idaho
83702,
first
off,
we
are
in
agreement
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
The
and
I
want
to
thank
delaney.
She
also
fielded
a
lot
of
emails
as
late
correspondents
that
couldn't
be
included
in
the
packet
most
were
from
residents
of
other
homes
that
this
owner
operates
right
now
for
a
very
similar
use.
AK
So
this
is
a
cup
for
the
change
of
use
from
commercial
office
to
residential
use.
This
is
for
transitional
home.
This
is
for
eight
bedrooms
that
are
completed
or
to
be
created
within
the
current
space.
The
transitional
home
is
for
those
that
are
completed
with
their
sentences
and
are
being
released
to
start
the
transition
back
into
our
community.
AK
In
discussions
with
some
of
the
other
overseeing
jurisdictions,
there
are
currently
a
number
of
people
that
the
option
for
them
when
there's
not
a
transitional
home
available
to
live
in,
is
they
remain
in
prison,
even
if
their
sentences
is
fulfilled,
they
the
other
option
for
them.
If
they
are,
let
out
is
homelessness.
AK
AK
AK
Let's
see,
idaho
power,
that's
probably
the
main
issue
that
is
being
brought
up.
Idaho
powers,
previous
lawsuits
with
a
previous
owner
of
this
property,
don't
have
any
bearing
on
this
project.
It's
a
civil
matter
that
I
can
find
nothing
in
any
record
that
has
a
deed
restriction
on
this
that
keeps
it
from
being
a
residential
use.
Nor
is
the
zoning
set
up
to
prohibit
a
residential
use.
AK
AK
I
do
have
the
owner
here
with
me
that
was
going
to
speak
to
a
little
bit
of
it
and
again
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
not
a
facility.
This
is
essentially
a
multi-family
home
that
allows
for
the
rental
of
individual
rooms
for
people
that
are
trying
to
get
back
into
our
society.
They
need
an
address
to
get
a
job.
AK
They
need
a
driver's
license
to
get
a
job.
If
you
don't
have
an
address,
you
can't
typically
get
a
driver's
license.
You
know
there's
no
additional
options
beyond
this
type
of
housing
for
them.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
see
the
rest
of
my
time
to
joe
howell,
the
owner
of
joe's
house
and
then
we'll
stand
for
questions.
Thank.
AK
B
M
M
I
guess
just
to
expand
upon
what
ben
said.
I
do
offer
transitional
housing
for
people
coming
out
of
facilities
and
it
is
single
room
or
traditionally
they
put
two
or
three
or
four
people
per
room.
I
run
out
individual
rooms
because
I
believe
in
recovery,
it's
important
to
have
your
own
space
and
have
a
little
bit
of
dignity
in
where
you
live
little
pride
in
where
you
live,
because
I
think
that
you
can't
be
successful,
sharing
a
bedroom
with
two
or
three
other
grown
men.
B
Thank
you,
mr
question.
Thank
you,
mr
howell.
We
will
get
to
questions
just
hang
tight
before
that.
I'm
going
to
just
check
to
see
if
we
have
a
representative
from
the
hillcrest
neighborhood
association
present,
okay,
seeing
none,
we
will
go
to
questions
then
from
the
commission
for
staff
for
the
applicant.
B
J
Chair
commissioner
danley
I've
got
two
questions
and
one
is
most
definitely
for
the
applicant
one
might
be
for
either
for
the
first
one.
This
is
to
the
applicant
house.
Rule
number
12
has
to
do
with
electronic,
basically
plug
in
types
of
cars
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
so
I'm
curious,
is
basically
it
says:
they're
not
permitted
on
the
property,
and
so
I'm
curious
in
this
day
and
age
when
we
have
e-cars
e-bikes
e-scooters.
M
Well
so
my
my
thought
process
on
it
is,
I
keep
my
rents
really
low
and
I
pay
for
all
the
utilities.
My
residences,
my
rents,
are
only
550
a
month
per
room
and
if
every
individual
had
an
electric
vehicle
that
they
plugged
in
it
wouldn't
be
cost
effective
for
me
to
continue
keeping
my
rents
as
low
as
they
are
and
serving
the
population
that
I
do.
J
Okay,
fair
and
it's
and
it's
a
private
matter,
it
was.
It
was
more
of
a
question.
Here's
my
other
question.
We
do
know.
We've
had
several
folks
who
wrote
in
with
respect
to,
I
believe
it's
some
sort
of
a
school
daycare,
whatever
the
case
may
be
across
the
street,
can
you
walk
us
through
with
respect
to
the
sex
offender
lists?
And
all
of
that
which
was
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
raised,
it
sounds
to
me
you
rent
privately.
J
M
Yes,
I
don't
currently
rent
registered
or
unregistered
sex
offenders,
so
here
in
the
state
of
idaho,
we
have
sex
offenders
that
are
maybe
unregistered.
They
had
a
crime
that
was
pled
down
to
an
unregisterable
crime,
but
they
are
still
sex
offenders
in
essence
and
supervised
such
as,
but
I
don't
rent
any
of
those
people.
J
J
M
L
F
D
F
L
N
F
N
N
Okay,
yeah
manager,
commissioner
manny
question
for
the
applicant
as
far
as
outdoor
spaces.
I
just
in
the
pictures
of
your
other
properties.
They
all
look
like
they're,
very
well
maintained
and
taken
care
of,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
a
whole
lot
of
gathering
or
outdoor
spaces
for
the
residents.
Is
that
true
or
false.
M
As
of
right
now,
that
would
be
partially
true
that
it
has
a
very
large
yard-
and
I
currently
have
rkh
landscaping
contracted
to
build
a
flagstone
patio
in
the
would
be
the
southeast
corner
of
the
property.
There's
a
grove
of
bushes
and
trees
that
enclose
it
nicely
and
then
we're
gonna
plant,
some
boxwood,
and
maybe
some
dogwoods
and
evergreen
bushes,
between
myself
and
the
east
neighbor,
to
give
them
a
little
bit
more
privacy
as
well
as
plant
some
shrubbery
to
hide
our
trash
cans.
M
M
M
I
wish
there
was
a
typical,
my
first
tenant,
I
ever
rented
two,
he
rents
from
me
today
and
he
lives
in
an
apartment
right
down
the
street
at
1801
south
philippi,
a
lot
of
guys.
They
they
transition
out.
They
leave
within
three
or
four
months.
Some
people
stay
one
or
two
years.
We
all
grow
at
different
rates.
E
Follow
up,
if
I
can
madam
chair
commissioner
blaine's
right
and
who,
who
manages
the
enforces
the
house
rules,
basically
on
a
daily
basis.
I
I'm
aware
of
how
how
encumbered
these
people
all
are,
whether
it's
a
probation
or
parole
officers
that
they
have
to
see
on
on
a
regular
basis,
but
just
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
Who's
who's,
like
the
house
manager
and
maintaining
these
rules.
M
Well
so
myself
and
one
other
person
we
go
around
to
my
properties,
I
have
the
individual
that
I
spoke
about
earlier
that
works
for
department
of
corrections
for
25
years.
He
goes
to
my
properties
once
a
week,
if
not
more,
he
does
most
of
my
drug
testing
because
I
don't
like
to
do
that
and
I
go
to
my
properties
usually
every
day,
I'm
at
at
least
a
couple
of
my
houses,
because
my
office
is
right
down
the
street.
M
E
AK
Madam
chair
commissioner,
blanchard
yeah,
when
the
cup
became
apparent,
my
client
has
not
had
to
go
through
this
process
before
so
he
had
started
some
interior
remodel.
There
was
a
stop
work
order
placed.
It
was
mostly
because
of
the
electrical
work
that
was
happening
and
they
couldn't
put
cover.
So
during
this
process,
he
has
been
able
to
get
the
city
of
boise
inspectors
to
come
in,
to
look
at
that
to
approve
the
work
that
was
completed
so
that
he
can
get
the
that
cover
completed
as
soon
as
possible
cool.
Thank
you.
B
AL
My
name
is
steve
shops.
I
live
at
275,
north
seven
oaks
avenue
in
eagle,
and
I
am
a
retired
geophysicist
and
before
I
get
started,
I
would
like
to
request
that
this
meeting
be
deferred
for
two
months,
because
the
idaho
power
issue
is
not
inconsequential
as
ben
led
it
to
be,
and
they
are
still
working
on
the
issue
and
it
relates
to
a
former
mayor
of
boise
which,
according
to
your
display
in
the
hallway
out
there
was
mayor
between
1966
and
1974..
AL
He
was
also
the
first
four-term
or
four-year
mayor
boise,
and
he
lived
in
the
house
with
his
family
in
the
early
90s
and
they
had
several
health
effects
from
the
power
lines
which
are
high
voltage
lines
that
crisscross
right
there
at
the
property
itself
and
he
sued
idaho
power
about
that.
They
reportedly
investigated
it
and
found
it
to
be
legit
and
they
settled
the
lawsuit
by
buying
the
house
from
him
on
december
30th
of
1994..
AL
And
although
the
mayor,
the
former
mayor,
is
now
deceased,
his
son
jay
amex
lives
in
that
same
area
and
was
living
in
the
house
at
the
time
of
the
lawsuit
with
idaho
power,
and
I've
asked
idaho
power
to
research
this,
but
it's
27
years
old,
so
their
files
are
probably
in
long-term
storage
somewhere.
So
they
need
more
time
to
confirm
the
facts
and
to
tell
this
story
about
the
health
effects.
AF
D
AL
Has
three
minutes
well
in
synopsis?
This
proposed
group
home
is
right
across
the
street
from
a
spanish-language
preschool,
the
puentes
spanish
preschool,
and
it's
I
consider
this
racist
to
put
a
group
home
for
convicted
felons
and
criminals
right
across
the
street
from
a
spanish
preschool,
a
very
busy
spanish
preschool
representing
a
very
diverse
population.
B
AM
So
hi,
my
name
is
ruth
maddix.
I
live
at
5370,
west
bel
air,
I'm
next
door
to
that
property
that
they
want
raisin
rezoned,
I
also
am
very
I've-
talked
to
the
amixes
many
times
down
the
block
and
don
also
wrote
a
text
that
I
he
asked
me
to
read
to
you,
since
he
could
not
be
here
today.
So
you
understand
part
of
the
logistics
of
what's
going
on
with
this.
So
if
I
can
take
a
moment,
I'd
like
to
read
this
to
you
at
this
time.
AM
AM
During
this
time,
idaho
power
installed
a
high
powered
overhead
line
that
produced
magnetic
power
fallout
after
my
mother
had
some
medical
issues.
My
dad,
the
late
jay
a
mix
hired
an
attorney
that
contacted
idle
power.
They
did
some.
They
did
some
testing
and
found
that
the
property
is
to
be
unhealthy.
AM
I
just
do
not
want
anyone
to
have
health
issues
in
the
future
and
want
to
make
sure
everyone
involved
is
aware
of
the
potential
dangers
of
residing
at
this
residence
now
or
in
the
future
per
done.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that.
But
yes,
I
lived
right
next
door
to
that
property.
I've
I've
lived
there
for
over
10
years,
and
one
thing
I
don't
feel
that
mr
hell
didn't
come,
wasn't
truthful
when
he
got
caught
for
no
permits
and
he
had
to
send
a
letter
out
to
the
to
the
residents.
AM
He
said
you
know
from
commercial
to
residential
until
he
you
know
wanted
to
come
to
the
hearing
he
had.
There
was
no
mention
of
a
group
home
for
ex-cons
with
eight
bedrooms
next
door
to
me.
So
you
know
I
don't
think,
he's
very
truthful
to
the
neighborhood
in
the
first
place
you
know
and
he
started
constructing
that
prior
to
any
permits.
B
B
AK
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
ben
semple,
so
the
lotta
zone
limited
office
with
design
review.
It
allows
residential
use
with
the
conditional
use
permit
again.
I've
done
some
research
on
the
deed.
I've
looked
at
everything
I
possibly
can
find.
Idaho
power
did
not
re.
Have
this
rezoned
to
restrict
residential
use?
If
they
did,
I
would
imagine
that
it
would
be
a
zone
that
doesn't
allow
residential
use
even
with
a
conditional
use
permit.
AK
If
there
is
an
issue,
it's
a
civil
matter.
My
client
has
not
been
contacted
by
idaho
power.
Regarding
this,
he
has
received
no
information
or
feedback
from
them
that
this
is
something
that
they
are
not
going
to
allow.
You
know
this
is
a
use
that
we
feel
is
appropriate
here.
I
would
stand
for
any
additional
questions.
B
N
B
J
J
One
of
the
factors
that
I
don't
think
we've
talked
about,
and
I
don't
think
that
we,
you
don't
necessarily
need
to,
but
I
think
we
are
aware
is
that
the
the
notion
of
permitting
group
homes
in
this
country
is
an
incredibly
important
issue.
It's
one
that
if
we
deny
in
a
capricious
court
of
a
way,
this
city
is
absolutely
ripe
for
being
sued
because
it's
been
done
all
over
the
country
and
it
continues
to
be
done.
But
if
everybody
denied
it
we
would
never
have
it
and-
and
that's
a
big
big
thing.
J
I'm
gonna
just
touch
briefly
on
a
personal
note,
there's
a
in
my
circle.
Someone
who
not
too
long
ago
had
to
basically
go
through
this
process
and
is
definitely
on
the
up
and
up
and
doing
great
things,
and
so
this
is
an
important
use
in
our
community.
In
my
opinion,
it
really
is,
and
I
think
that
the
the
care
that
the
applicant
has
put
forth
single
person
per
per
room,
where
it's
located
by
the
way
I
mean
to
me
as
a
planner.
I
J
J
I
don't
see
anything
in
our
code
that
would
allow
us
to
deny
it
and
with
regard
to
the
sex
offender
notion
and
the
and
the
school
across
the
street,
I
think
that
the
the
community
and
the
folks
who
raised
the
the
issue-
I
can
understand
that
concern,
but
I
I'm
confident
that
it's
mitigated
through
not
only
the
applicant
but
certainly
the
state
and
then
the
process
there.
So,
for
those
reasons,
I'm
I'm
comfortable
moving
forward
and
that
the
the
terms
of
the
conditional
use
permit
have
been
satisfied.
E
Just
real
quick
commissioner
yeah
I
mean,
I
think
that
you
know
conspicuously
absent
here-
are
the
owners
of
the
pointless
language
school
I
mean
if
they
were
so
concerned,
we'd
certainly
have
had
them
and
their
80
people
here
tonight.
I
know
some
of
the
neighbors
on
belair
and
there's
nobody
here
from
on
belair
street
tonight
as
well.
E
We
don't
see
anybody
bringing
these
kind
of
issues
to
the
table
so,
and
I
do
second,
what
commissioner
danley
said
is
that
this
is
frankly
one
of
the
greatest
needs
that
we
have
is
being
able
to
get
people
out
who
paid
their
debt
to
society
and
get
them
into
stable
place
where
they
can
actually
get
back
into
sight
again.
So
I
commend
you
for
what
you're
doing,
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck
in
this.