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A
Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
Boise
City
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
tonight
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak.
As
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you
will
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
Zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
public
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you're
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
Star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
Testimony.
A
C
C
Any
decision
tonight
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
C
E
E
C
C
Oh,
that's
Kara
and
Jason
Bloomberg
for
Bloomberg
address
is
2617
North
Heavens
way.
That
item
has
been
withdrawn,
so
we
will
not
be
hearing
that
item
tonight
and
then
item
number
nine
this
evening
is
requesting
a
deferral
to
November
7th.
This
item
is
car
22-9
and
also
cup
22-12
and
CVA
22-13.
The
applicant
is
South
beckon
Baird.
The
address
is
3691
North
Harbor
Lane.
C
This
is
a
rezone.
A
conditional
use
permit
for
a
drive
up
establishment
with
coffee
shop
in
a
c1d
D.A
Zone.
This
applicant
is
a
requesting
deferral
of
these
items
until
our
November
7th
meeting.
Is
there
anyone
in
attendance
tonight
that
was
his
intending
to
intending
to
testify
on
this
item
and
you
cannot
attend
our
meeting
on
November
7th.
C
Good
with
that
I'll
Mr
chair
entertain
a
motion.
Commissioner,
stead.
H
C
Thank
you
very
much,
and
then
now
we
have
a
few
items
on
our
agenda
that
are
eligible
for
the
consent
agenda
tonight.
Without
objection,
I
will
place
the
minutes
from
our
September
12
2022
meeting
on
the
consent
agenda
and
then
moving
to
new
business
tonight
item
a
this
is
PUD
20-32,
Todd,
Campbell
construction.
This
is
a
Time
extension
for
the
project.
The
address
is
3318
North,
Cole
Road.
This.
I
C
Okay,
that's
fine!
Is
there
anyone
in
attendance
tonight
hoping
to
testify
an
opposition
opposition
to
this
item?
Again,
it's
a
Time
extension,
a
two-year
time
extension
for
this
project.
C
E
J
J
C
This
is
SUV
22-49
tealy's
land
surveying
at
3758,
South,
Eckert
Road.
This
is
a
preliminary
and
final
plat
for
residential
subdivision.
Comprised
of
two
buildable
Lots
on
0.13
Acres
in
an
sp01
zone.
Is
the
applicant
present
tonight
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
C
Great
let
the
record
show
the
applicant
is
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report.
Is
there
anyone
in
attendance
this
evening
hoping
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this
item,
foreign,
very
good,
we'll
go
ahead
and
place
item
number,
eight
on
the
consent
agenda
and,
last
but
not
least,
is
item
number
12.,
PUD
22-59
Christian
Terrell
at
1250
South,
Division
Avenue.
This
is
a
application
to
modify
an
existing
conditional
use
permit
for
a
standard
condition
for
a
previously
approved
blah.
C
Sorry,
I'm
a
muddled,
muddled
that
all
up
this
is
a
to
modify
this
up
for
said
project,
which
is
the
applicant
present
this
evening
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
snap
report?
Hey
look
the
records
show
the
applicant
is
an
agreement
with
the
staff
report.
Is
there
anyone
hoping
to
testify
an
opposite
opposition
to
this
item?
F
F
G
C
K
C
B
B
M
C
Is
item
number
one
PUD
22-51
and
SUV
22-54?
So
the
address
is
2801
West,
Palouse
Street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
30
town
homes,
on
0.49
acres
and
R2
in
an
r2d
Zone,
and
then
a
preliminary
plot
for
the
residential
subdivision
and
first
we're
going
to
hear
from
staff
Jesse
Lyle.
N
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
item
before
you
is
the
conditional
use
permit
for
plan
residential
development
comprised
of
30
Town
Homes
located
at
2801
Blue
Street
on
2.09
Acres
I
know
that
the
legal
said
0.49,
but
that
was
a
typo.
It's
2.09
and
an
r2d
Slash
Da
Zone
also
included
as
a
preliminary
plat
for
one
common
and
30
buildable
Lots
in
December
2021,
a
rezone
was
granted
from
r1c
to
r2da.
The
development
agreement
limits
the
proposal
to
30
units
with
a
general
adherence
to
the
site
plan
approved
with
the
rezone.
N
It
also
limits
the
height
of
the
building
to
35
feet,
increase
the
perimeter,
setbacks
to
15
feet
and
limited
balconies
on
the
southern
western
Perimeter.
At
the
council
hearing
for
the
rezone
there
was
some
direction
given
to
the
applicant
to
explore
pedestrian
connection
to
the
south
of
the
subject:
property
onto
Lim
High.
This
connection
was
explored,
but
not
part
of
either
application
as
the
parcel
to
the
South
as
a
buildable.
Lot
that
can
be
utilized
for
additional
housing.
N
Yeah
applicant
proposes
30
townhomes
in
five
buildings.
The
submitted
site
and
Landscape
plan
is,
in
general,
conformance
with
the
site
plan
associated
with
the
rezone,
with
some
modifications
to
the
amenities
and
added
guest
parking.
The
applicant
is
proposing
sidewalks
internal
to
the
site
and
connecting
the
home's
fronting
Palouse
to
the
public
right-of-way.
A
condition
of
approval
requires
the
applicant
to
provide
a
change
in
material
or
color
to
delineate
a
pedestrian
path
up
to
the
solid
waste
enclosure
on
the
northwest
side
of
the
site.
N
Another
condition
requires
the
applicant
to
move
the
solid
waste
enclosure
proposed
at
the
southeast
side
of
the
development
to
the
southwest
side
and
to
provide
safe
pedestrian
routes
to
and
from
the
elevations
submitted
comply
with
the
development
agreement
requirements
to
protect
privacy
as
they
do
not
propose
balconies.
However,
the
elevations
do
not
match
the
site
plan
or
floor
plans
with
the
location
of
doors
and
the
addition
of
patios.
A
condition
of
approval
is
to
modify
the
elevations
to
reflect
the
site
and
floor
plans.
N
Public
comments
were
received
with
three
main
concerns.
First,
the
application
does
not
include
a
pedestrian
connection
to
Lemp
High.
Well,
there's
direction
to
explore
this
connection
at
the
rezone
hearing,
that
property
was
not
included
in
the
rezone
application
and
the
council
does
not
have
the
authority
to
condition
improvements
on
adjacent
properties.
N
Comments
received
from
achd
concerning
the
rezone
indicate
the
driveway
must
be
at
least
75
feet
from
the
center
line
of
ab
Street.
The
current
configuration
shows
the
drive
approximately
130
feet
from
that
Center
Line
third
commenters
have
concerns
about
the
massing
of
the
Town
Homes,
specifically
the
ones
fronting
Palouse.
The
proposed
Townhomes
are
approximately
175
feet
long
and
provide
some
modulation
between
units.
C
Jesse
next
week
from
the
applicant.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
Commissioners,
for
the
record
Penelope
constant
hikes
with
Riley
Planet
services,
post
office
box,
405,
Boise,
Idaho
83701,
the
applicant
project
team
have
reviewed
the
staff
report
and
concur
with
the
findings.
We
do
appreciate
the
supporting
materials
that
Miss
Lyle
included
the
most
recent.
They
were
admitting.
The
attendees
made
several
good
suggestions
that
we
have
incorporated
into
the
site
layout.
We
we
rearranged
the
the
play
structure
for
the
Youth
and
we
moved
the
bike
parking,
which
enabled
us
to
add
five
more
parking
spaces
to
the
site.
O
The
Ada
spaces,
which
are
the
three
spaces
that
are
to
the
South,
the
previous
site
layout,
actually
had
that
noted
as
an
ADA.
Somehow
it
just
got
lost
so
we'll
have
one
guest
space
and
two
spaces
for
Ada.
There
other
input
the
solid
waste
folks
here,
Boise
City
ask
us
to
relocate
that
North.
O
Excuse
me,
the
southeast
Solid
Waste
structure
and
put
it
over
on
the
Southwest,
because
they're
going
to
be
using
a
front
loading
truck
the
Landscaping
bus
that
next
to
the
Ada
space,
will
add
that
additional
bike
parking
style
we'll
incorporate
that
we'll
add
the
patios
onto
the
landscape
plan
so
that
the
landscape
plan
and
the
elevations
match
I
did
want
to
talk
briefly
about
that
pedestrian
connection
to
Lem
High
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
it
is
off-site,
and
so
it's
not
part
of
our
application.
O
The
second
thing
is
both
of
the
adjacent
Neighbors
on
either
side
of
that
parcel
do
not
want
the
pathway.
They
were
very
adamant
about
that
in
the
neighborhood
meeting,
and
the
third
item
is
if
you've
ever
walked
to
Lem
height
a
west
of
Vista
Avenue,
it
chokes
down
quite
a
bit,
and
it
has
quite
a
turn
and
it's
really
not
very
safe
to
walk
anyhow.
So
if
you
have
additional
questions
on
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them,
but
the
neighbors
really
didn't
want
that.
So
we
took
it
out.
O
Let's
see
we
are
looking
forward
to
moving
forward
with
with
our
design
review
element
and
then
on
to
final
plat.
I
did
visit
with
two
of
the
neighbors
before
the
meeting.
The
elevations
that
depict
the
Palouse
Street
Front
fronting
units
is
just
a
bit
longer
than
the
rear
loaded
elevation
that
you
have
in
your
pocket
by
two
units,
so
they're
identical,
except
for
the
length
and
then
the
driveway
location
achd
has
located
it
where
they
feel
it's
the
best
place
to
be
so
we're
happy
to
do
that.
C
P
P
The
Vista
neighborhood
association
has
concerns
with
this
development
moving
forward
for
the
following
reasons:
the
neighbors
along
the
Vista
neighborhood
association
are
the
neighbors,
along
with
the
Vista
neighborhood
association,
rather
voiced
many
concerns
to
Penelope
at
Riley
planning
and
Boise
Planning
and
Zoning
at
the
January
3
2022
meeting
over
the
block
or
slot
development
of
seven
attached
home
Townhomes.
Fronting
police
Street.
This
large
wall
of
seven
Town
Homes
all
connected,
does
not
fit
with
the
aesthetic
or
historic
Integrity
of
this
older
neighborhood.
P
While
several
Commissioners
commented
that
this
could
be
handled
during
the
Pud
during
the
next
neighborhood
meeting
with
Riley
planning,
they
informed
the
Vista
neighborhood
association
and
neighbors
that
this
was
their
plan
and
they
were
not
changing
it.
The
existing
streetscape
on
this
section
of
police
street
is
one
that
includes
single-family
homes
with
larger
locks,
established
landscaping
and
beautiful
large
trees.
We
are
concerned
that
the
proposed
plan
includes
a
single
row
of
seven
attached
homes
with
minimal
Frontage,
if
approved
as
proposed
the
contrast
between
the
existing
homes
and
the
development
will
be
Stark.
P
We
believe
that
attached
home
in
a
duplex
or
a
Triplex
would
be
more
fitting
for
that
portion
which
directly
faces
the
loose
streak.
Along
with
this,
the
existing
dwellings
are
a
variety
of
designs
and
we
ask
that
a
very
design,
aesthetic
for
all
structures
facing
the
street
be
considered
for
this
new
project
row.
Homes
on
the
interior
portion
of
the
property
would
not
interfere
with
the
existing
streetscape
and
we
support
denser
housing
with
rural
homes.
P
On
the
interior
of
the
lodge
at
the
Boise
city
council,
meeting
February
15
2022,
the
reason
was
approved
with
direction
to
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
in
the
design
Review
Committee
for
future
entitlement
number
one
provide
off-street
pedestrian
connections
to
Lem
High
to
provide
better
connectivity
to
the
neighborhood.
Riley
planning
did
not
incorporate
the
connectivity
in
the
Vista.
Neighborhood
association
was
told
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
that
this
was
just
a
recommendation,
and
Riley
planning
decided
not
to
go
forward
with
this
recommendation.
P
P
Our
primary
concerns
about
the
new
site
plan
include
concerns
over
the
slot
development.
Maintaining
the
existing
streetscape
and
design,
aesthetic,
walkable
connectivity
to
the
neighborhood
and
neighbors
homes
directly
in
line
with
the
driveway
and
a
limited
number
of
visitor
parking
spots
as
a
whole
of
assistant.
Neighborhood
association
believes
that
the
developer
is
on
the
right
path.
With
this
project
and
with
some
improvements,
this
development
will
be
a
great
addition
to
our
neighborhood.
We
recognize
the
need
for
housing
and
we
know
that
the
neighborhood
is
a
great
place
to
live.
E
C
H
H
O
Chairman,
commissioner,
the
staff
report
from
achd
was
issued
with
the
rezone
application
and
they
didn't
issue
a
new
one
because
they
had
covered
everything
they
needed
to
cover
with
the
rezone,
since
we
had
submitted
a
site
layout
at
that
time
and
I
can
read
from
that.
The
applicant's
proposal
to
close
all
existing
driveways
and
construct
a
20-foot
wide,
curb
return,
type
driveway
located
20
feet
west
of
the
site's
East
property
line,
meets
District
policy
and
should
be
approved
as
a
part
of
the
future
development
application.
H
Another
question
for
the
applicant
regarding
The
Pedestrian
connection
to
Lem
High,
so
do
I
understand
it.
That's
the
same
ownership.
Is
that
correct.
O
O
We
took
it
out,
I
mean
it's
part:
it's
a
separate
application.
It's
a
substandard
lot
of
record
application
and
I
believe
it's
already
permitted.
O
I
was
I,
didn't
handle
that
the
other
thing
is
and
again
as
a
former
achd
planner
I
can
tell
you
that
if
you,
if
you
leave
the
blue
site,
go
down
to
the
next
street,
to
the
West
go
south
and
then
turn
and
go
east
on
Lem
High,
it
there's
no
sidewalk
the
street
Narrows
down
quite
a
bit.
It
takes
a
jog,
it's
not
a
good
place
for
people
to
walk.
O
O
So
the
fact
that
the
neighbors
were
were
very
concerned
about
it
and
wanted
it
to
not
be
included.
We
we
gave
them
what
they
asked
for.
H
O
Mr
chairman,
commissioner,
again,
the
the
neighbors
just
really
didn't
want
that
there
I.
O
O
E
L
L
I
was
wondering
if
commissioner
Squires
would
also
ask
the
questions
about
that
issue
and
and
if
not
I'm
prepared
to
okay.
B
L
So
this
question
to
the
to
the
city,
so
you
know,
we've
heard
this
kind
of
before
the
comp
plan
has
some
language
about
not
putting
sort
of
very
large
row
buildings
right
on
the
street
I'm,
not
aware
of
anything
in
the
code.
Specifically
that
addresses
that.
L
N
Mr
chair,
commissioner
Gillespie,
the
land
use
designation
in
this
area
is
Compact
and
that
does
allow
for
Town
Home
Development
and
the
proposed
units
would
be
two
stories
so
and
they
provide
some
modulation.
So
there
is
something
breaking
up
that
you
know
development.
However,
if
the
commission
decides
that
we
want
to
see
some
other,
you
know
tools
to
break
that
up.
That
is
within
your
discretion,
to
condition
tonight.
N
K
Moore
so
in
the
packet
there's
two
different
types
of
town,
home
kind
of
blocks,
there's
an
alley
loaded
and
then
there's
a
front
access
or
something
like
that,
but
on
our
site
plan
from
rock
hard
civil
or
Rock
Solid
civil
it,
it's
only
calling
out
a
type
B
for
all
of
them.
D
O
Mr
chairman
commissioner,
the
units
along
Palouse
Street
and
there's
seven,
not
eight,
those
are
rear.
Loaded
then,
in
the
interior
of
the
site
we
have
rear
loaded
units,
it's
kind
of
a
muse
layout
where
you
have
a
the
front
doors
facing
each
other
kind
of
an
Old,
English
style
design,
and
then
the
units
along
the
southern
and
western
perimeter
are
both
front
loaded.
Units
garages
and
front
doors
are
on
the
same
side.
H
I
think
we're
okay,
okay,.
C
Sorry,
just
being
everybody's
doing
their
homework,
just
making
sure
just
making
sure
okay
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead,
then,
and
move
on
to
public.
Testimony
on
this
item,
so
you're
here
tonight
to
testify
we'll
start
with
the
folks
that
are
in
person,
the
podium
is
free,
come
on
up.
Everyone
has
three
minutes,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
then
we'll
move
to
folks
move
to
folks
online.
After
that,
I
got
a
few
folks
that
signed
up
Dave,
Kangas
and
Mark
shepardson.
You
guys
want
to
come
on
up.
S
My
name
is
Dave
Kangas
and
I
reside
at
1715,
West,
Canal
Street,
and
this
project
has
been
a
long
time
in
coming,
because
the
first
iteration
was
a
much
denser
with
LOD
zoning,
which
was
defeated
and
developer
came
back
with
this
proposal,
which
was
residents
still
would
like
to
see
less
density
or
single-family
homes,
but
we
have
a
town
home
project
I'm,
not
speaking
for
the
Vista
neighborhood
association
today,
I'm
speaking
for
myself,
but
in
looking
I
was
there
when
they
drafted
or
read
the
letter
from
the
Vista
neighborhood
association,
and
it
seems
that
when
I
looked
through
the
planners
report,
many
of
the
issues
were
taken
care
of
at
least
the
parking.
S
The
issue
with
the
big
buildings
fronting
Palouse
as
I
remember,
the
original
application
showed
that
that
wall
was
front
loaded
garages,
so
from
Palouse
all
you
saw
was
the
back
and
there
was
no
architectural
distinction
between
the
units.
It
was
just
kind
of
an
ugly,
continuous
Mass.
This
when
I
was
looking
at
the
plan
shows
that
they
are
front
loaded
and
if
you
look
at
the
front
loaded,
five
I
was
just
talking
to
Penelope
before
that.
S
Basically,
it
looks
like
the
five
except
they've
added
one
on
each
end,
that
has
a
side
entry
garage,
so
obviously,
there's
been
I.
Think
there's
been
a
lot
of
improvements,
there's
still
issues
with
the
driveway
which
I
couldn't
tell
from
the
plans
exactly
how
that
lined
up.
So
that's
all
I
guess:
okay,.
T
And
I'm
here
to
see
my
biggest
opposition
to
this
plan
is
for
the
driveway
is
located
and
from
day
one
where
that
driveway
was
located
was
always
in
question,
because
it
comes
up
and
60
cars
China
headlights
right
into
the
people
across
the
streets
front
windows,
not
anything
anybody
wants.
Nobody
here,
wants
that
it
could.
It
impacts
their
their
life,
it
could
impact
the
resale
value
in
the
home
and
that
driveway
doesn't
need
to
be
there.
From
what
I
heard.
T
Achd
gave
us
a
minimum
center
line
from
abs
of
75
feet
and
right
now
it's
at
125..
Is
that
what
I
heard
and
so
moving
the
driveway
to
where
achd
says
a
minimum
to
do
two
things
we
get
the
driveway
or
it
doesn't
impact
these
young
people
in
that
house.
It
would
also
break
up
that
big
block.
You
may
have
two
units
here
and
four
units
here.
You
still
have
the
same
number
of
units,
but
you'd
move
the
driveway
down,
so
these
headlights
aren't
coming
out
straight
into
somebody's
house.
I
mean
houses.
T
Now
you
back
out
of
your
driveway,
you
see
tail
lights,
you
pull
out
of
the
street,
but
when
you
have
60
cars,
maybe
every
day
coming
out
and
the
homes
these
older
homes
across
the
street,
where
we
live,
are
old
and
they're
built
actually
a
little
below
grade,
and
so
it's
even
worse,
when
those
headlights
shine
so
realizing
that
achd
a
plan
probably
wasn't
permitted
for
a
Center
Line
75
feet
from
abs,
and
it
probably
should
have
been
because
this
was
an
issue
from
day.
One.
T
C
O
Constant
High
Keys
post
office
box,
405
Boise,
Idaho
83701
with
regard
to
The
Pedestrian
connection.
O
There
are
sidewalks
there's
a
sidewalk
along
the
west
side
of
the
Run
of
structures
along
the
blue
street
that
connects
directly
to
Palouse
I.
Think
we've
got
a
good
network
of
connections
throughout
this
the
site
and
to
Palouse.
We
don't
want
anything
next
to
the
driveway,
so
there
the
bike
parking
is
right.
Next
to
that,
sidewalk
that
leads
out
to
palu
street,
so
I
think
we've
got
The
Pedestrian
connection
that
is
requested
to
have
a
excuse
me
Mr
chairman.
O
Is
there
a
question?
I
can
answer?
Okay,
very
good!
Thank
you
with
regard
to
the
Lem
High
connection.
Again
I
I
I
just
have
to
say
that,
where
applicants
are
encouraged
to
taking
the
consideration,
neighbor
requests
and
in
the
instance
of
the
connection
to
lamb,
High,
we
we
listened
to
them
and
the
only
where
only
place
to
put
a
a
connection
would
be
along
a
driveway
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
permitted
to
do
that.
O
The
the
standards
for
that
lot
per
Boise
city
code
have
driven
the
project
into
having
that
sub-centered
lot
into
having
the
driveway
in
that
location.
So
it's
really
and
like
I
said
before
the
distance
traveled,
while
walking
and
going
from
Palouse
to
Vista
as
opposed
to
downtown
and
to
Vista
it's
the
same
distance.
So
I
think
it
probably
will
be
okay,
there's
no
side
loaded
garages,
Mr
Kang
has
mentioned
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
They're
all
reloaded
I,
don't
know
that
we'll
have
60
vehicles
at
night.
O
O
It's
done
with
sensitivity.
The
architecture
is
very
nice.
There's
a
lot
of
modulation
in
the
front
elevations
along
Palouse
to
provide
character
and
interest.
O
I
think
we
checked
all
the
boxes
with
this
one,
including
all
that
extra
guest
parking
at
the
request
of
the
neighborhood,
so
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
questions
otherwise,
I'll
leave
you
to
move
on
to
the
next
item.
Thank.
B
H
Move
that
we
deny
PUD,
2251
and
recommend
denial
of.
H
H
I
agree
with
the
applicant
regarding
the
the
efforts
to
make
a
pedestrian
connection
to
Lem
high
and
thanks
for
the
work
on
that
that
was
appreciated,
I'm
sure
by
Council
as
well
I
believe
that
we
owe
the
the
neighbors
a
better
drive
alignment
and
I
think
the
driveway
alignment
I
agree
with
the
testimony
you
heard
from
the
neighbors
tonight
as
well,
that
if
we
change
that
drive
alignment,
it
also
breaks
up
that
Frontage,
which
solves
what
commissioner
Blanchard,
if
he
is
here,
would
be
having
some
problems
with
okay.
F
R
R
C
L
So
I'll
probably
vote
against
a
deferral
and
vote
against
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table,
I'm
comfortable
with
the
project,
as
proposed
I.
Just
don't
think
that
the
current
driveway
alignment
is.
That
is
a
big
deal
at
all,
and
we
have
these
issues
all
the
time
when
we
build
in
vacant
Lots
in
the
middle
of
the
city
and
I'm,
just
not
comfortable
denying
a
project
that
Council
clearly
envisioned
going
there
because
of
driveway
alignment
when
that
alignment
does
comply
with
achd's
requirements.
B
B
R
I
would
say:
yes,
that's
typically
true,
but
sometimes
we
we
work
with
the
developer,
to
provide
some
level
of
not
modification,
that's
the
wrong
word
but
burming,
or
something
to
assist
with
the
making
sure
that
there's
no
detriment
to
the
to
the
neighboring
property
as
well
too.
So
I
think
there's
a
way
that
we
could
probably
work
this
out
to
everybody's
benefit.
U
I'm
inclined
to
support-
hopefully
a
deferral,
I
I
feel
like
the
applicant-
has
done
a
really
good
job.
It's
been
a
almost,
however
long.
It's
been,
you
know,
seems
like
a
year
went
from
40
units.
If
I
recall
down
to
30.,
we
went
away
from
the
neighborhood
office.
Oh,
that
was
a
good
thing
to
where
we
are
today,
but
I
I
do
want.
What
my
hiccup
is
is
that
this
is
a
conditional
use
permit
and
a
conditional
use
permit.
U
One
of
the
conditions
is
that
it
does
not
have
an
adverse
effect
on
the
adjacent,
neighbors
and
I.
Think
that
here
we
are
going
in
daylight
savings
time
at
about
a
month
where
it's
dark
from
four
o'clock
to
you
know
eight
o'clock
and
that
alignment
does
go
right
into
the
living
room
of
the
house
across
the
street.
I,
don't
understand
and
when
I
look
at
the
aerial,
I'm
sure
there's
a
reason.
U
U
Not
just
you
know
this
issue
that
we're
that
we're
looking
at
here
and
it
seems
like
there's
a
way
to
potentially
thread
this
needle
get
the
number
of
units
that
they're
being
requested,
get
the
alignment
right
and
and
still
fit
with
everything
that's
being
discussed
here
so
I
I
mean
I'm
inclined
to
go
with
the
deferral
and
see
if
there's
a
way
to
work
this
out,
I,
because
I
do
support
the
project.
Let's
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
that.
C
L
Gillespie
just
the
way
physics
works
right
when
people
pull
out
of
that
driveway
they're,
most
likely
going
to
turn
left
or
right
on
Palouse,
and
so
their
lights
are
just
going
to
sweep.
You
know
right
across
those
lots
on
the
corner.
L
You
know
we're
we're
putting
30
houses
in
a
field
with
a
bunch
of
people
living
all
around
it.
People
are
gonna,
see
more
headlights,
there's
no
way
we
can
design
it
away
if
we
line
it
up
with
apps.
It's
just
a
different
group
of
people
are
going
to
see
the
headlights,
so
I
I
think
we're
we're
micro
managing
a
problem.
L
Now,
if
you
wanted
to
say
we
have
to
break
up
the
seven
row
house,
look
that's
a
different
issue,
but
if,
if
we're
really
trying
to
solve
headlights
in
people's
house
I,
don't
see
that
this
proposal
is
rep
is
is
really
any
different
than
the
way
it's
going
to
work
as
the
applicant.
Has
it
so
I.
H
I
understand
where
commissioner
glovespie's,
coming
from
I
I'm
of
the
opinion,
though,
that
the
the
comp
plan
and
as
as
commissioner
Danley
said,
it's
a
cup,
so
adverse
impact
is
an
issue
here
and
the
other
one
is
got
planted.
Streetscape's
character
is
what
we're
talking
about
here
with
the
the
slot
row
development.
The
drive
is
just
kind
of
a
way
to
solve
it
and
also
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone.
K
Either
the
deferral
or
or
would
not
be
as
far
as
the
denial
but
regardless
I
think
in
terms
of
that
row
of
seven
I
think
there's
other
ways
to
tell
break
it
up
that
aren't
splitting
the
buildings
I
mean
more
recessing
of
the
units.
If
you
recess
them
further
back
than
just
two
feet
that
might
help
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
Shadow
line.
K
B
C
I
think
so
we
just
have
a
motion
to
deny
on
the
table
at
the
moment.
So
I
think
we
should
just
wrap
that
one
up.
First,
if
it
passes
so
be
it
if
it
dies,
then
we
can
discuss
the
deferral
and
or
conditions
for
an
approval,
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
make
we're
going
to
take
that
path.
So
we'll
take
a
vote
right
now
again
this
is
PUD
22-51
and
SUV
22-54.
C
B
L
L
C
L
I
mean
I
think
the
record
of
our
deliberations
is
clear
as
to
what
we're
asking
the
applicant
to
try
and
do.
The
applicant,
of
course,
has
the
right
to
come
back
and
say
no
I'm
not
going
to
change
it,
and
then
we
get
to
do
this
again.
I'd
also
point
out,
I
I
believe
the
the
next
hearing
essentially
and
Rob
you'll
have
to
help
me
on
this.
L
C
Okay,
very
good,
any
other
discussion:
okay,
very
good,
we'll
go
ahead
and
just
keep
on
moving
then
we'll.
Take
the
the
vote
now
again
a
motion
to
defer
to
November
7th
PUD,
2251
and
SUV
22-54
motion
by
commissioner
Gillespie
second
by
commissioner
Danley,
told
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
All
right,
let's
see
up
next
on
our
agenda,
is
item
number
four:
is
that
sound
right?
Okay,
item
number
four
and
that
is
SOS
22-15
Tilly's
land
surveying
the
address
is
5320
West,
Wiley
Lane.
This
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
or
an
instrument
requirement
to
construct
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk
as
part
of
a
minor
land
division
on
0.99
acres
in
r1c
zone.
We're
going
to
hear
from
Staff.
First,
that's
Sabrina,
Mortensen.
V
A
condition
of
approval
required
the
applicant
to
install
curb
veteran
sidewalk
along
the
site's
Frontage
on
Wiley
Lane
Boise
city
code,
allows
the
commission
to
issue
a
waiver
of
the
requirement
to
install
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk
when
it
is
required
for
a
record
of
survey,
provided
that
the
properties
of
such
unusual
size
or
shape
or
has
unusual
conditions
that
would
cause
strict
application
of
the
regulations
to
result
in
a
substantial
hardship
or
inequity.
The
applicant
request
a
waiver
from
the
requirement
to
install
Street
improvements
and
associated
with
the
subject.
V
Minor
land
division
citing
pass
waiver
approvals
in
the
area
is
a
condition
that
would
result
in
substantial
inequity.
The
planning
team
finds
the
requested
waiver
is
not
appropriate
as
it
is
against
the
public
interest,
although
other
waivers
have
been
granted
along
widely
Lane
in
the
past,
including
on
the
adjacent
Parcels
The
Greenway
subdivision
to
the
east,
was
recently
required
to
install
Street
improvements
on
the
same
side
as
Wiley
Lane
as
a
subject
property.
V
Furthermore,
there
is
a
potential
for
other
sites
along
Wiley
Lane,
to
redevelop
in
the
future,
providing
future
opportunities
for
improved
pedestrian
connectivity
over
time.
Multiple
comprehensive
plan
policies
encourage
providing
a
continuous
network
of
pedestrian
improvements
to
improve
safety,
connectivity
and
comfort.
V
The
neighborhood
association
and
one
neighbor
of
the
project
submitted
litters
of
opposition
to
the
requested
waiver
as
late
correspondence.
The
comments
received
know
that
Wiley
Lane
is
a
key
connecting
Corridor
between
the
Greenbelt
and
Northwest
Boise.
It
also
references
other
planned
improvements
in
the
area
that
facilities
along
Wiley
Lane
could
connect
to
in
the
future,
including
the
State
Street
Transit
Corridor
to
the
east.
V
Q
I
am
Dave,
Silva
I
live
at
5320,
Wiley,
Lane
and
I've
been
there
27
years
when
I
looked
at
that
property.
My
wife
wanted
to
hit
me
over
the
head
to
buy
that,
but
it
took
me
20
dump
trucks
to
remove
engines,
cars
and
then
there
was
a
trailer
upside
down,
so
we
worked
on
it
for
years
and
finally,
we
moved
here
with
four
of
our
eight
children
and
we
packed
ourselves
in
added
some
additions
and
basically
there
are
no
sidewalks
on
the
street.
Q
There
are
no
curbs
and
gutters
on
the
street,
and
I
was
just
wondering
why
I
might
be
being
singled
out
for
that
when
there
was
nothing
on
it.
I
have
pictures
of
the
neighbors.
I
do
have
a
film
a
if
if
you
want
to
show
that
of
the
street,
but
there's
no
sidewalks
at
all,
there's
no
curbs
and
gutters
at
all,
and
my
house
was
built
in
the
70s
and
I
added
additions
on
now.
Q
At
85
years,
old
I
have
a
chance
to
build
my
first
new
house,
I,
still
work,
I
teach
driver's
ed
for
Boise
schools,
and
my
wife
works
at
Misty
at
saying
Luke's,
and
we
finally
have
a
chance
to
build
a
new
house,
and
now
we
have
conditions
to
remove
telephone
poles
put
in
curbs
and
gutters,
where
the
water
will
not
move
anywhere.
Q
Just
stay
right
in
front
of
our
house,
and
we
would
have
the
only
sidewalks
and
also
when
I
moved
there
I
moved
there,
because
I
could
walk
a
hundred
steps
to
the
green
belt
after
the
wealthy
subdivision
put
in
a
dead
end
there
and
locked
up
Gates.
So
we
couldn't
go
through
there,
which
was
fine,
but
there
was
a
path
to
the
green
belt
and
they
came
and
shut
that
down
the
recreation
board,
I
called
them
and
they
said
well.
Those
people
wanted
it
shut
down
after
they
finished.
Q
The
last
house
and
I
said
well:
doesn't
that
we're
on
this
side
of
the
street?
So
anyway
long
story
short.
They
asked
me
to
petition
the
street.
I
got
50
neighbors
to
sign
a
petition,
went
to
the
recreation
board
and
got
voted
in
to
open
it
up
so
I
gave.
But
what
happened
was
there
was
a
piece
of
land
that
a
friend
of
mine,
one
of
my
buddies
I,
grew
up
with.
Q
We
bought
that
property
across
the
street
right
directly
across
street
and
we
gave
20
feet
so
they
could
drive
EMTs
police
cars,
fire
engines
into
the
green
belt,
and
now
it
seems
because
I
did
that
they
want
to
improve
the
street
with
sidewalks
and
curbs
and
gutters
and
there's
nobody
else
on
that
street.
Again.
I
have
pictures
to
show
you,
so
it's
really
going
to
be
a
big
hardship
for
us
to
do
that
and
it
may
negate
the
opportunity
for
us
to
build
a
house
a
little
bit
north
of
our
property
in
the
back.
Q
So
I
have
letters
from
ACH
achd
where
they
built
the
house
a
year
ago
across
the
street.
They
built
four
houses
and
they
the
achd,
said
that
they
couldn't
take
care
of
the
curbs
and
gutters,
so
they
recommended
it.
It
not
be
done
so.
My
request
is
that
not
to
do
this,
the
curves
and
gutters
and
the
sidewalk,
because
again
I
will
be
the
only
one
on
a
half
a
mile,
a
street
from
State
Street
down
to
the
dead
end
where
I
am
at,
and
it
just
seems
very,
very
unfair.
B
B
E
C
Okay,
in
the
meantime,
we'll
go
ahead
and
see
if
we
have
anybody
from
the
Veterans
Park
neighborhood
association
with
us.
C
G
Just
a
question
for
the
city:
can
you
you
explain?
There
was
a
comment
from
the
applicant
about
achd
having
concerns
with
the
drainage
and
I
believe
I
read
in
our
packet
that
they
didn't
have
concerns
and
I
was
just
hoping.
You
could
clarify
their
point.
V
Mr
chair
commissioner
fin
Frank
I
believe
when
the
applicant
was
discussing
that
they
were
discussing
a
separate
project
on
the
opposite
side
of
Wiley
Lane,
for
the
comments
received
from
achd
regarding
this
project.
They
indicated
that
they
did
not
require
improvements,
but
not
that
they
shouldn't
be
installed
due
to
any
potential
drainage
issues.
L
Mr,
chairman
Mr
Gillespie
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant,
so
thank
you
for
coming
down.
I
appreciate
it.
You
mentioned
that
that
if
you
had
to
install
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk,
it
would
be
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
major
hardship
for
you.
Could
you
elaborate
on
what
that
exactly
you
mean
by
that?
What
specific.
Q
Well,
there's
telephone
poles
with
wires
that
everybody
has
on
the
street
right.
It
would
have
to
be
taken
down,
and
then
we
would
have
standing
water
in
the
in
that
area,
which
obviously
has
nowhere
to
go
and
if
the
whole
street
had
it
or
most
of
it,
the
water
could
move,
but
the
water
can't
move
and
it'll
just
sit
there
and
stink.
L
V
Mr
chair
commissioner
Gillespie.
This
slide
here
shows
a
street
view
of
the
subject
property,
so
there
does
appear
to
be
room
for
attached,
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk
to
be
installed
here
without
requiring
relocation
of
power.
Poles.
E
L
Q
B
H
Question
for
staff,
could
you
put
up
the
background
slide?
That
shows
other
properties
along
the
street
there
and
the
question
is
where's
Greenways,
because
that's
what
you
call
out
in
the
analysis.
V
C
F
I
have
a
question
for
staff,
so
if
we
could,
could
we
consider
a
condition?
Do
we
have
the
authority
to
consider
a
condition
that
would
say
if
he,
if
the
telephone
poles
needed
to
be
moved,
then
sidewalk
could
be
reconsidered
or
sidewalk
could
would
have
to
be
installed.
If
the
telephone
poles
don't
have
to
be
relocated
at
his
expense.
V
Mr
chair
commissioner,
said
yes
that
could
be
a
condition.
Thank.
F
K
Typically,
when
there's
no
connection,
we
see
just
a
recommendation
for
sidewalk,
but
a
waiver
for
the
curve
and
gutter
was
and
some
a
little
bit
confused.
Why
curb
and
getter
would
be
required
here
as
opposed
to
just
sidewalk?
Is
there?
Is
the
water
just
gonna
sit
there?
Is
there
some
other
drainage
opportunity.
V
Yeah
Mr
chair,
commissioner
Moore.
It
is
possible
to
do
on-site
drainage
and
that
curb
is
typically
required
to
provide
vertical
separation
between
pedestrian
and
vehicular
movement.
But
if
the
commission
believes
that
waving,
curb
and
gutter
and
only
requiring
sidewalk
would
be
appropriate
and
that's
also
an
option
that
you
could
pursue.
U
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Danley
question
of
Staff
one
treatment
we
see
continually
all
over
our
city
in
a
situation
like
this,
which
is
a
really
low
volume,
Street
I,
think
it's
a
cul-de-sac,
even
at
the
end
of
a
cul-de-sac
in
this
instance,
is
Paving
an
additional
five
feet,
with
an
extruded
curb
to
allow
for
the
draining
the
drainage
to
occur,
but
still
provides
a
stable
facility
for
ADA
requirements.
Why
cannot
treatment
not
be
used
here
in
lieu
of
curb
gutter,
sidewalk.
V
Mr
chair
commissioner
Dan
Lee.
Can
you
sorry
can
you
reword
that
question
a
little
bit.
U
So
curb
good
or
sidewalk
the
Cur.
The
purpose
of
curbing
is
to
take
storm
water
and
divert
it
to
some
other
place.
It
also
is
allowing
for
a
vertical
separation
for
the
traffic
and
the
separation
for
pedestrian.
You
know
movement,
especially
with
respect
to
safety.
I,
understand
that,
but
typically
it's
also
used
in
a
street
with
higher
volumes
and
contextually
other
treatments
such
as
Paving
extending
the
asphalt
an
additional
five
feet,
which
would
be
the
width
of
a
sidewalk,
otherwise
with
an
extruded
curb.
U
U
In
addition
to
that,
I
look
at
this
and
I
look
up
and
then
in
the
entire
section
of
this,
and
it
can
be
done
all
the
way
up,
and
so
we
could
actually
make
that
happen
and
get
the
walking
pedestrian
facility
and
not
just
be
sidewalk
one
parcel
at
a
time
when
three,
three
of
those
four
of
those
have
already
been
given
a
waiver
on
just
that
side
of
the
street.
But
doing
this
treatment
allows
you
potentially
to
do
the
whole
block.
U
V
B
C
C
U
C
U
It's
pretty
straightforward
in
that
there
are
numerous
alternatives
to
providing
safe,
ADA
Compliant,
walking,
facilities
that
get
to
the
same
result
as
in
a
sidewalk.
This
is
one
of
them.
It
is
absolutely
recommended
at
the
federal
level.
There's
the
the
district
has
utilized
it,
and
it's
an
absolutely
perfectly
fine
treatment,
and
it's
especially
applicable
to
situations
like
this
I
think
that
the
neighborhood
association
is
correct.
E
C
You,
commissioner,
Danley
commissioner
Gillespie
any
other
thoughts
as
the
secondary.
No.
C
Okay,
any
other
discussion:
okay,
very
good.
All
right,
I'm,
gonna,
follow
everyone
else's
lead
and
agree
with
Mr
danley's
statements
on
the
matter,
so
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
again.
This
is
a
Mr.
F
B
C
Thank
you
all
right,
any
other
discussion.
Okay,
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll.
Here
again
this
is
SOS
22-15.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
waiver.
The
conditional
with
an
added
condition,
to
install
a
sidewalk
at
grade
with
extruded
curb
to
provide
separation
for
The
Pedestrian
facility
from
the
roadway
motion
was
by
commissioner
Danley
II
was
by
commissioner
Gillespie.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
C
C
C
Welcome
back
everybody
we'll
go
ahead
and
carry
on
here
with
item
number
five,
so
this
is
car
22-17,
PUD,
22-52
and
SUV
22-52
Gem
State
planning
at
7735
West,
Victory
Road.
This
is
an
annexation
of
approximately
7.8
Acres
with
an
r1c
designation.
It's
a
also
a
conditional
use
permit
for
plant
residential
development,
price
of
35
single-family
homes
and
then
the
associated
preliminary
plot
for
said,
subdivision,
comprised
of
six
common
lots
and
35
buildable
Lots
and
we're
gonna
hear
from
Sabrina.
V
V
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
item
before
you
is
a
request
to
Annex
approximately
7.8
Acres,
located
at
7735
West
Victory
Road,
with
an
r1c
zoning
designation,
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
35
single-family
drawing
units
and
a
preliminary
flat
for
a
residential
subdivision
comprised
of
six
common
and
35
buildable.
Lots
are
also
proposed.
The
sign,
abouts,
Boise
city
limits
to
the
north
and
Southwest
and
the
cost
of
extending
city
services
are
anticipated
to
be
minimal.
V
One
access
point
to
Victory
Road
is
proposed.
The
new
Street
includes
detached
sidewalks
Street
trees
on
both
sides
and
will
connect
to
Jupiter
Avenue
to
the
west
and
so
to
the
east.
In
two
locations
the
applicant
proposes
to
preserve
the
existing
attached
sidewalk
along
Victory
Road.
The
planning
team
supports
this
proposal
as
echd
has
a
larger
plan
project
along
the
section
of
Victory
Road
achd
may
require
the
applicant
to
contribute
to
the
street
trust
fund
to
help
fund
the
future
project.
V
The
proposed
homes
will
be
clustered
away
from
the
southwestern
portion
of
the
site
to
allow
the
area
within
the
flood
plain
to
remain
undeveloped.
Modifications
are
requested
to
the
minimum
required
lot
area
and
average
width,
but
all
setbacks.
Requirements
of
the
r1c
Zone
will
be
met.
Two
amenities
are
proposed
to
compliance
with
the
requirements
of
code
comments
received
from
The
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
indicate
that
additional
tree
planting
is
required
to
comply
with
the
tree
mitigation
requirements.
V
The
applicant
has
committed
to
providing
a
revised
landscape
plan
for
review
prior
to
city
council
hearing
for
the
annexation
and
subdivision
public
comments
are
received,
expressing
concern
regarding
the
proposal's
compatibility
with
existing
neighborhoods
and
potential
adverse
impacts.
One
neighbor
of
the
project
expressed
objection
to
the
proposed
extension
of
Jupiter
Avenue
and
increased
traffic
through
the
adjacent
subdivision,
while
the
neighbor
directly
to
the
west
of
the
site
requested.
This
extension
be
completed
first
in
order
to
provide
an
alternate
means
of
Ingress
and
egress
during
the
construction
of
Valhalla
Avenue.
V
The
proposed
density
of
the
project
is
similar
to
the
adjacent
single-family
subdivisions
in
multiple
conditions
of
approval
are
recommended
to
prevent
adverse
impacts
to
the
neighboring
properties.
Jupiter
Avenue
is
a
public
Street
which
is
intended
to
be
extended
upon
development
of
this
property,
and
this
extension
will
improve
connectivity
for
vehicles,
bicycles
and
pedestrians
in
the
area
and
conclusion,
as
outlined
in
the
staff
report,
the
project
complies
with
the
annexation,
PUD
and
subdivision
requirements,
and
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
application.
I
will
stand
for
any
questions.
Okay,.
B
Y
Y
Y
All
right
now,
I
can
well
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here
to
represent
Callisto
Heights
Sabrina's,
giving
you
a
really
good
overview
and
I
may
repeat
a
few
things
in
my
presentation.
Y
Y
Z
A
B
B
Y
A
while
every
yeah
right,
I'm,
not
gonna,
throw
any
tricks
at
you.
How's.
Y
Me
go
ahead
and
tell
you
you
can
relax
now,
because
I
do
agree
with
the
conditions
of
approval
and,
according
to
the
last
information
you
received
from
me,
which
was
in
your
late
package
asking
that
we
continue
to
work
on
the
tree
mitigation
plan.
Y
Here's
our
landscape,
rendering
35
single-family
homes
of
various
sizes
with
our
gross
density
of
4.59
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Okay.
That
is
hard
to
read
sort
of
so
I'm
going
to
put
this
sideways
now.
North
is
to
the
left
the
Lots
range
in
size
from
4449
square
feet
to
twice
that
size,
9
730
square
feet.
The
average
lot
size
is
5945,
which
is
just
under
your
minimum
lot
size.
This
mix
of
lot
sizes
actually
allows
us
to
do
some
mix
of
housing
types
as
well.
Y
We
have
six
common
lots
that
total
over
an
acre,
which
is
of
the
over
ten
percent
of
open
space
that
are
required.
We
are
requesting,
as
Sabrina
explained,
to
reduce
using
the
Pud
to
reduce
the
lot
sizes
from
5000
to
this
minimum
of
4449,
and
some
of
the
lots
that
you
see
that
are
on
the
west
east
side
of
the
property
are
36
feet
wide.
Y
Centrally
located
park
for
the
Neighbors,
this
will
have
a
playground
and
a
picnic,
shelter
and
lots
of
landscaping,
and
here
is
the
preliminary
plant.
Y
I
just
will
go
ahead
and
kind
of
respond
to
the
neighbor
who
sent
some
information
about
their
objection
to
the
project
you
received
the
letter
from
the
English
and
Boise
neighbors.
Their
property
is
adjacent
to
Callisto,
Heights
and
I.
Don't
know
if
this
points,
but
it
is
the
one
that's
along
the
south
east
side
so
on
the
bottom
of
this
next
to
the
cul-de-sac,
the
properties
that
are
adjacent
to
Callisto
height,
that
back
up
to
the
English
and
Boise
properties.
Y
Those
lots
are
eight
thousand
sixty
square
feet,
7
237
square
feet
and
85
19
square
feet.
So
just
to
let
you
know
that
those
are
pretty
good
sized
Lots
they're,
not
the
smaller
Lots
in
the
project,
backing
up
to
the
lot
that
Kristen
and
Reuben
own.
Y
Let
me
show
you
what
we
did
originally
and
now
we've
got
North
to
the
top.
We
originally
submitted
this
or
at
our
neighborhood
meeting.
We
had
this
drawing
on
the
left,
which
showed
four
Lots
with
a
common
driveway,
and
then
we
realized
that
that
was
going
to
actually
push
side,
yard
setbacks
right
up
against
Kristen's
property,
so
we've
redesigned
it
and
our
application
was
actually
for
the
three
lots
that
that
face
to
the
east.
Y
Y
Again,
as
noted
previously,
the
density
of
coastal
Heights
is
4.59
dwelling
units
per
acre,
and
it's
between
the
two
zones
for
Thornhill,
which
is
the
property
to
our
West
Thornhill
was
Annex,
was
actually
is
in
the
county,
and
it
has
an
R6
designation,
six
units
to
an
acre
and
our
four
designations,
four
units
to
an
acre
and
we're
right
in
between
that.
So
we
believe
we
are
compatible
to
the
subdivision
next
door.
Y
I
did
mention
some
homes
that
we
get
a
variety
of
homes
with
the
different
lot
sizes,
so
I'll
run
through
a
few
of
those.
These
are
on
this
36
foot
wide
Lots.
Y
Then
we
have
our
standard
smaller,
like
standard
50
foot
wide
Lots.
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
little
houses.
You
can
see
that
the
sizes
are
pretty
large.
This
is
a
five
bedroom
three
bath
and
then
we
have
some
larger
Lots
on
the
south
side
that
actually
have
three
car
garages
and
they're
pretty
good
sized
homes.
Y
We
really
think
that
Callisto
Heights
will
be
an
attractive
addition
to
the
city
of
Boise,
with
a
mix
of
housing,
tree-lined
streets
and
a
neighborhood
park,
and
again
with
the
update
that
will
allow
us
to
continue
to
work
on
a
tree
mitigation
plan
and
have
that
reviewed
and
approved
landscape
plan.
Our
landscape
architect
was
away
last
week,
so
we
couldn't
pull
everything
together
when
we
got
this
late,
Memo
from
The,
Parks
and
Recreation
Department,
which
actually
for
refers
to
a
fee
instead
of
tree
mitigation.
C
C
Great
terrific,
thank
you
go
ahead
and
give
us
your
address.
If
you
would,
please
then
proceed.
AA
You
the
concerns,
noted
from
The
Neighbors
at
the
neighborhood
association
meeting,
where
the
development
of
open
lands
potentially
creating
more
issues
with
Wells
going
dry
in
Southwest
Boise
and
then
additional
traffic
on
Victory
Road,
which
is
already
quite
heavy
and
has
additional
high
density
housing.
That's
already
planned
close
by
this
request,
and
that
is
all
I
have.
G
G
Okay,
but
of
course
it
will
be
an
added
condition
that
will
completely
add
to
comply
to
achg
and
then
what
about
the
wills
going
dry
I
know:
we've
heard
a
lot
about
this
in
the
area
and
I'm
not
sure
what
this
commission
covers.
But
could
you
maybe
touch
on
that
as
well.
V
C
V
Mr
chair:
there
is
a
standard
condition
of
approval
that
requires
compliance
with
the
Parks
and
Recreation
comments.
I
would
recommend
just
removing
the
date
from
that
condition,
so
they
can
continue
to
work
with
them.
Instead
of
having
a
reference
to
an
old
memo.
C
H
H
Question
for
the
applicant
regarding
Valhalla
Street,
if
achd
comes
back
and
says
that
that
long
straight
stretch
there,
if
it's
I'm
sure
it's
more
than
750
feet,
that
do
you
happen
to
know
if
it's
shorter
longer
than
that,
because
that's
where
they
start
talking
about
bulb
outs
and
traffic
calming
features.
Y
Because
we
have
that
intersecting
Street
at
Jupiter
coming
through
then
that
remaining
portion
I
think
will
meet
all
the
achd
requirements
and
we
would
be
happy
to
do
some
bulb
outs
if
necessary,
in
fact,
maybe
right
where
the
park
is
so
that
we
have
a
little
place
where
people
can
cross
the
street
right
there.
So
I,
don't
we
don't
have
this
up
anymore.
Thank.
Y
G
I
had
another
question,
and
this
might
have
been
in
our
packet.
I
just
didn't
see
it
in
the
r1c
zone.
It
allows
for
eight
units
per
acre
and
I
know.
35
are
proposed
here.
What
is
what
is
actually
allowed
on
this
parcel?
What
what's
the
actual
number
based
on
the
88
or
eight
units
per
acre
under
and
Ro
r1c.
V
Mr
chair
commissioner
finbrock
hold
on
one
second
for
some
quick
math.
It
would
be
a
maximum
of
62
units,
so
we're
we're
quite
under.
B
C
AB
Kristen
Inglis
and
myself
and
my
husband
reside
at
3240
South
Jupiter
Avenue.
We
are
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac,
as
Jane
so
kindly
mentioned
that
they
had
made
the
adjustments,
because
we
have
this
sort
of
weird
little
shaped
triangle
of
a
parcel
and
we're
literally
from
here
to
Mr
Schaefer
is
where
our
fence
line
is,
and
so
if
they
had
put
the
four
homes
there
within
five
feet,
we
could
have
had
and
there's
also
an
elevation,
so
we
could
have
had
homes
towering
above
best.
AB
So
we
appreciate
I,
appreciate
Jane's
attentiveness
to
that.
I
also
appreciate
Sabrina's
attentiveness
to
my
questions
and
my
letter
that
I
sent
that
was
meant
to
be
sent
a
long
time
ago,
but
there
were
some
issues
there.
I
do
just
want
to
mention
a
few
things,
because
I
want
to
share
with
what
in
Tyler
is
going
to
address
some
of
these
issues
he's
our
our
HOA
lead,
but
we
did
meet
earlier
this
summer
and
everybody
did
have
the
same
concerns
the
density
and
I
realized.
That
density
is
low.
AB
However,
how
how
the
houses
flow
together
is
very
different
than
the
then.
The
grouping
of
houses
around
them
and
I
think
Tyler
will
address
that
too.
We
should
go
through.
They
almost
look
just
like
really
narrow
row
homes,
so
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
point
that
out
buffering
between
the
two
places
is
sort
of
super
important
for
me
that
we
do
look
at
the
trees
and
keep
something
where
we
get
some
semblance
of
privacy
and
still
have
some
property
value
being
so
close
to
somebody
else.
AB
Traffic
going
through
our
property
is
a
concern.
That's
going
to
really
increase.
So,
of
course,
we
are
concerned
about
that.
We
know
me.
We
may
not
be
able
to
do
anything
about
that
again.
Tyler's,
going
to
address
some
issues
on
that.
We
are
concerned
about
Victory
Road
and
how
it's
put
together
and
having
that
just
coming
out
of
our
subdivision.
AB
AB
Just
in
general,
in
the
area,
I
really
hope
that
we
think
about
as
we
develop
out
this
area,
how
few
parks
there
are
and
Open
Spaces
that
there
are,
as
we
develop
out,
that
area
and
the
traffic
so
I
just
kind
of
went
into
General
to
point
that
out
and
then
also
on
the
road
for
victory.
AB
If
there
can
be
some
I,
don't
know
whether
they
can
do
some
safety
signs
for
traffic
that
we've
got
extra
intersex,
just
not
a
full
intersection,
but
extra
people
coming
out
there
I,
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
what
they
can
do
there
I'm
running
I've
got
25
seconds,
I,
think
that
is
pretty
much
it
and
I'm
sure
I'll.
Think
of
something
when
I
go
sit
down.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank.
AC
AC
We
did
have
a
meeting
this
year
of
the
HOA
and
there
were
just
a
couple
of
basic
concerns.
This
is
Jupiter
has
always
been
a
dead
end
Street
and
down
by
the
end
of
Jupiter,
is
if
you're
not
familiar
with
the
area.
It
is
Five
Mile
Creek
that
runs
on
the
side
of
the
school
district
building,
so
Five
Mile
Creek
runs
through
here,
and
these
are
the
homes
that
are
built
on
that
or
little
Rim
Edge
area.
AC
As
you
go
down,
Victory
okay,
so
we
have
always
had
an
issue
with
the
with
the
27
28
homes
that
we
have
just
getting
out
on
Victory
and
if
you
are,
if
you're
a
native,
you
certainly
know
this,
but
if
you've
lived
here
even
the
last
five
years,
you
understand
what
victory
road
is
when
the
freeway
has
a
problem
or
when
Overland
has
a
problem
because
overland's
a
freeway.
Now
it's
a
parking
lot,
so
Victory
kind
of
becomes
the
same
well.
AC
The
exit
of
Jupiter
is
right
on
Victory
right
there,
so
there
is
no
light.
No
nothing
and
the
school
district
goes
down
the
hill
on
one
side,
if
you
come
out,
Jupiter
there's
a
downhill
slope
very
hard
to
see
coming
up
the
hill,
and
if
you
look
to
the
right
is
Cole
Road
right.
So
with
that
already
it's
dangerous
and
the
neighbor's
concern
is,
you
know:
Boise
needs
more
homes.
There's
people
moving
here.
We
everybody
understands
that.
AC
The
big
concern
was,
and
the
big
question
is
for
for
the
neighborhood
is:
do
we
have
to
open
that?
Is
there
a
legal
requirement
to
open
that?
Is
there
something
that
can
be
done
where
there
are
barriers
there,
but
that
are
Breakaway
barriers,
maybe
bolars
that
they
can
break
down
or
something
like
that?
If
there
is
an
emergency
need
for
a
vehicle
to
come
through
there,
that
that's,
that
would
be
the
preference
of
the
neighborhood.
AC
If
there's
a
way
to
do
that,
to
to
reduce
that
traffic
and
the
people
they're,
certainly
down
in
that
bottom
portion
of
the
new
subdivision,
they're
going
to
want
to
come
out
the
other
side
and
and
I'm
concerned
not
only
for
the
Jupiter
exit
but
for
the
exit
on
from
the
new
subdivision
and
then
the
only
other
point
really
quickly
that
was
already
made.
Was
that
yeah
it's
it's
in
between
the
zoning,
but
it's
not
the
same
right.
AC
It's
not
like
Jupiter
and
you're,
not
connecting
them
you're
connecting
more
houses
into
existing
houses
in
an
area
that
has
always
been
since
I
was
born.
Here
it's
been
a
farm
area.
There
was,
there
was
a
there
was
a
farm
there
right
and
then
we've
developed
it
and
things
like
that,
which
is
fine,
but
let's
try
and
keep
it
consistent.
B
Y
Good
evening
Commissioners
again,
Jane
Suggs,
representing
Gem
State
planning
and
Callisto
Heights
I,
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
to
add.
I
believe
Jupiter
is
was
actually
built
with
cul-de-sac
and
a
little
piece
of
50-foot
wide
section
at
the
cul-de-sac
so
that
it
could
be
extended.
So
it's
always
been
planned
for
extension,
just
like
we
are
also
providing
opportunities
to
extend
to
the
east.
This
is
how
you
build
community.
Y
This
is
how
you
build
neighborhoods
out,
so
by
connecting
these,
in
fact-
and
we
do
think
there
will
be
traffic
from
Callisto
Heights
that
might
go
up
Jupiter
and
there
might
be
traffic
from
Jupiter
that
actually
decides
that
they
want
to
go
up
Callisto
Heights,
because
maybe
the
views
are
a
little
bit
better
and
I
think
they
are
because
we're
sort
of
on
getting
closer
to
the
crest
of
that
Hill.
Y
So
yeah
and
I
I
do
agree.
People's
speed
on
Victory
as
we
develop
out.
That
is
when,
as
development
occurs
and
more
residential
development
occurs,
sometimes
we
can
find
out
ways
to
reduce
speeds,
but
that's
up
to
achd.
Y
I
really
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add
other
than
yes.
We
do
have
a
portion
of
the
Five
Mile
Creek
floodway
Fringe,
or
which
sometimes
refers
a
floodplain,
that's
on
the
corner
of
our
property
on
the
south
west
corner
of
our
property.
So
that
is
the
area
that's
going
to
be
remain
natural,
and
so
we
don't
impact
that
flood
that
flooded
area,
which
is
kind
of
a
low
area.
This
next
to
the
school
I,
can
answer
any
questions
you
have.
Y
We
just
really
think
that
this
mix
of
lots,
some
of
them
that
are
only
36
foot
wide.
This
is
the
way
we
get
the
density
up,
and
this
is
the
way
we
provide
some
affordability
for
some
of
the
homes
that
we're
trying
to
have
in
Boise.
They
can't
always
be
8
000
square
foot
Lots.
They
can
be
some
of
those,
but
we
like
the
idea
that
we're
building
a
community
that
has
a
real
mix
of
lot
sizes
and
a
real
mix
of
housing
types
to
serve
a
lot
of
the
community.
C
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision
just
a
reminder,
we're
recommending
on
the
annexation
and
commissioner
finfrock
yeah,
please
so.
G
I
I
recommend
approval
of
car
22-17
and
SUV
22-52
and
move
for
it
to
approve
pud-22
or
22-52.
Second,
okay,.
C
G
I'll
just
kind
of
go
through
my
notes:
the
annexation
so
I
think
we
meet
city
code
there.
All
the
public
agencies
that
commented
said
services
are
available
and
it
has
minimal
impact
on
the
area
for
the
Pud.
So
the
project
complies
with
all
the
setbacks,
landscaping
and
amenity
requirements,
and
then
you
also
I
know
we
have
a
deviation
from
that
lot
area,
but
there's
also
they're
also
working
around
the
floodplain
area
and
I
know
that
provided
some
limitations
as
well.
G
I
did
go
through
the
public
comment
and
we,
as
we
heard
tonight,
there
were
several
like
several
issues
brought
up
about
traffic
and
I
know
we
kind
of
have
to
just
defer
to
achd
and
see
what
they
come
back
and
say,
but,
like
the
applicant
pointed
out,
Juniper
is
planned
to
be
extended,
it
always
has
been,
and
so
hopefully
you
know
when
achd
comes
through
they'll
have
some
good
recommendations
and
that's
included
in
the
conditions
of
approval.
G
As
far
as
a
let's
see,
density,
yeah,
I
think
we're
well
below
the
density
and
I
know
I
understand
the
argument
that
the
neighbors
are
used
to
a
certain
type
of
fill
in
their
area,
but
this
is
r1c
still
and
again
we
could
have
put
62
houses
on
the
slot,
but
the
applicant
chose
35
and
they
I
like
the
fact
that
they
use
the
mix,
lot
sizes
and
housing
sizes
and
it
does
provide
afford
affordability
at
certain.
G
You
know
different
levels
and
then,
let's
see
I,
believe
and
thought
as
far
as
the
wells
going
dry.
We
see
this
issue
come
up
a
lot
and
I
think
it
is
a
concern.
I
live
in
the
area
and
I
see
it
come
up
a
lot.
I
think
we
just
we
kind
of
defer
to
the
public
comment
or
to
the
public
utilities
in
the
area
and
violia
said
that
they
approved
the
project
and
so
I
mean.
G
R
B
B
R
Fernfrock
is
always
so
thorough
and
hits
all
my
points,
so
thank
you
for
that.
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
this
is
a
great
project.
I
was
excited
to
see
this
in
our
packet,
it's
nice
to
see
infill
projects
that
are
thoughtful,
that
have
a
mix
of
housing
and
have
some
really
nice
amenities.
You
know
this
is
a
7.88
acre
project
that
has
over
an
acre
of
open
space
and
amenities
for
the
project.
That's
great.
R
So
for
that
reason,
I
will
fully
support
this
and
again
I
would
I
also
believe
connectivity
in
the
area
is
really
important
and
I
would
not
support
not
connecting
Juniper,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
more
important
from
a
regional
perspective
as
everything
develops
out
in
this
square
mile.
So
for
that
reason,
I'm
supporting
the
motion.
Thank.
B
H
Planning
and
park
staff
I
asked
questions
about
speaking
of
connectivity,
trying
to
ensure
that
we
had
a
connection
to
the
Five
Mile
Creek
path,
which
is
planned
in
the
Boise
Pathways
plan
and
they've
done
some
great
work.
The
planning
and
the
park
staff
to
figure
that
out
and
they've
got
a
really
good
long-term
plan
to
make
that
work,
so
that
folks,
that
are
in
this
new
neighborhood
can
get
out
on
the
Five
Mile
path
and
actually
get
places
on
something
other
than
a
car.
H
K
It
was
mentioned
earlier
that
we
might
amend
condition
number
seven
to
remove
the
date
for
the
parks
and
rec
comments,
so
they
can
continue
to
negotiate
their
tree
mitigation.
C
C
C
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
go
with
a
friendly
Amendment
unless
staff
or
legal
say
no
they're,
fine,
we're
good,
okay,
all
right,
friendly,
Amendment,
friendly
Amendment
night,
okay,
commissioner
Danley
did
you
have
some
comments,
brief.
C
U
Just
one
word
of
an
encouragement,
and
that
is
to
the
applicant
when
I
I
think
what
I'm
seeing.
Hopefully
this
is
accurate,
but
in
the
existing
drainage
area
that
sort
of
corner
portion
of
the
property,
given
that
there
are
so
many
trees
that
are
going
to
go
away,
I
know
that
new
ones
are
going
to
come
along.
U
It
seems
like
a
perfect
place
for
a
decent
little
Grove
of
trees
to
go
in
and
drain
in
the
water
as
well
and
filtering
it,
and
so
I,
just
an
encouragement
there
and
also
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
buffer
for
from
the
neighborhood
to
the
next
or
to
the
West.
With
respect
to
connectivity.
This
is
precisely
the
problem.
The
reason
why
our
arterials
are
often
so
gummed
up
is
because
we
have
such
poor
Street
connectivity
all
over
this
city.
U
It
is
exactly
the
opposite
reason
why
certain
portions
of
the
bench,
certain
portions
of
the
North
End,
have
not
been
widened.
They
haven't
been
widened
because
there's
a
grid
pattern
in
place
and
the
can
activity
is
so
solid,
so
the
better
our
street
connectivity
is
the
less
pressure
there
is
on
our
arterials
and
the
speeding
problem
that
we're
also
experiencing
Street
connections
absolutely
are
essential
to
proper
flow
of
traffic,
and
so
this
is
a
good
example
of
extending
that
and
then
some
because
the
next
development
will
hopefully
do
the
same.
U
C
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Daily
any
other
comments.
Good,
okay,
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
to
the
vote.
Then
we
have
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
car,
22-17
and
SUV
22-52,
and
a
motion
to
approve
PUD
22-52
motion
was
by
commissioner
finbrock
and
the
second
was
by
commissioner
Squires.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
C
AD
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
major
utility
facility
and
a
height
exception
on
approximately
83
acres
in
A1.
Zone
facility
will
occupy
approximately
17
Acres
of
this
83
Acre
Site
and
is
generally
addressed
at
40
or
49
78
Holcomb
Road
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
aerial
photograph
here,
the
property
is
located
along
the
south
side
of
Amity
Road.
The
properties
directly
adjacent
to
the
north
of
this
facility
contain
industrial
uses.
AD
The
nearest
residential
neighborhood
is
about
400
feet
to
the
Northeast,
and
the
residential
neighborhoods
to
the
South
are
about
a
thousand
feet
away
and
separated
from
this
facility
by
a
major
power
line.
Corridor
foreign,
as
you
can
see,
from
this
overall
site
plan,
which
shows
the
facility
with
respect
to
the
surrounding
area
and,
as
previously
stated
adjacent
to
the
north
of
our
existing
industrial
uses
and
now
from
this
site,
you
can
see
a
little
bit
more
clearly.
The
separation
between
the
facility
itself
and
the
nearest
residential
neighborhoods.
AE
AD
And
then
to
the
South,
and
then
this
gives
just
more
of
a
blow
up
or
more
detailed
view
of
the
site
plan.
The
facility
is
a
large
or
contains
a
large
Warehouse
area
with
outdoor
storage
for
vehicles
and
power
distribution
equipment.
It
will
have
three
access
points
on
Amazon,
Amity
Road
and
on
this
site
plan.
I've
identified
the
location
of
the
fence
line
for
the
project
and
the
multi-use
path.
AD
The
site
will
be
surrounded
by
a
nine
foot,
high
screen,
Security
Fence
and
due
to
the
nature
of
the
power
distribution
equipment
being
stored,
the
fence
will
be
will
have
barbed
wire
on
the
top.
However,
it
will
be
set
back,
50
feet
or
more
from
the
edge
of
the
road
and
screen
from
the
right
away
with
a
with
a
landscape
buffer.
It
will
also
not
the
fence
will
not
be
located
in
front
of
the
main
building
itself
or
the
parking,
so
that
will
be
free
from
the
fence.
AD
And
from
the
site
or
from
the
site
plan,
the
fence
line
is
approximately
where
that
red
dashed
line.
Is
that
surrounds
the
site
and
and
as
noted,
the
applicant
will
also
install
about
1
900
feet
of
a
12
foot
wide
multi-use
path
along
the
roadway
in
front
of
the
facility,
which
is
noted
on
the
plan
and
will
extend
from
property
line
to
property
line
that
the
site
is
located
on.
AD
Foreign
cross-section
shows
the
pathway
in
front
of
the
site
and
as
seen
here,
it
is
a
12
foot.
Wide
pathway
would
be
separated
from
the
edge
of
road
by
a
large
sort
of
Swale
or
drainage,
ditch
and
then
it'll
be
screened
from
the
from
the
from
the
pathway
and
the
roadway
by
a
15
or
16
foot,
landscape,
buffer
and
berm.
AD
The
planning
the
planning
team
did
receive
a
public
comment
expressing
concerns
with
the
proposed
development.
These
concerns
involve
the
following
points:
loss
of
open
space
proximity,
it's
the
the
the
site's
proximity
to
residential
uses
and
traffic
impacts
in
the
pathway,
location,
which
was
noted
by
the
Cena
letter,
which
you
should
have
received.
As
for
the
open
space
and
in
general,
the
facilities
impact
on
the
nearby
residential
neighborhood
I
would
note
the
following.
AD
In
addition,
the
overall
space
containing
in
of
this
area
contains
high
voltage
lines
and
are
not
open
to
the
public.
As
for
impact
on
the
nearby
residential
neighborhood.
I
would
note
that
the
nearest
neighborhood
is
about
400
feet
to
the
Northeast
here
or
about
a
thousand
feet
to
to
the
South,
which
that
neighborhood
is
actually
located
on
a
bench
and
sits
about
60
to
70
feet
70
feet
higher
than
the
subject
property
itself,
and
due
to
these
separations,
the
facility
will
not
impact
these
adjacent
neighbors.
AD
As
for
the
scene
of
comments,
I
would
note
the
following
I
believe
they
would
like
to
have
the
pathway
extended
from
Holcomb
all
the
way
down
to
Surprise
Valley
along
this
roadway
I
would
agree
that
that
would
be
a
great
thing.
However,
I
would
note
the
following
that:
there's
really
no
Nexus
to
support
that
type
of
condition
here.
This
is
a
this
is
a
major
utility
facility
which
is
not
going
to
generate
a
significant
amount
of
pedestrian,
a
pedestrian
activity
in
and
of
itself.
AD
In
addition,
the
pathway
to
Extended
along
that
entire
stretch
would
be
an
over
a
mile
in
length
and
the
proportionality
of
that
condition.
For
what
they're
proposing
just
from
staff's
opinion,
doesn't
quite
match.
However,
they
are
proposing
to
install
about
a
third
of
a
mile
of
multi-use
pathway
in
front
of
their
facility,
so
they
are
going
to
improve
it
generally
in
the
area
of
green
and
probably
a
little
bit
more
to
the
property
learning
shown
here.
AD
In
addition,
as
there
I
would
note
that
there
is
capacity
on
the
roadway
to
support
the
project
and
there's
really
no
and
there's
no
justification
for
this
project
to
the
install
traffic
calming
along
Amity
in
front
of
the
site.
In
particular,
the
estimated
number
of
employees
for
the
facility
would
be
about
15
people,
and
my
understanding
is
that
the
truck
traffic
in
and
out
of
the
site
would
be
very
limited
in
in
comparison
to
the
industrial
uses
across
the
street.
AD
So
in
summary,
the
project
is,
is
consistent
and
complies
the
required
findings,
and
the
planning
team
recommends
approval.
Thank
you.
J
Yes,
my
name
is
David
Blodgett
with
or
Dean
Architects
199
North
Capitol
Boulevard
Suite
602
Boise
I'm
here
representing
Idaho
Power
for
their
Distribution
Center,
that's
proposed
on
Amity
Road.
It's
we're
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
for
the
major
utility
in
an
A1
Zone,
as
Mr
Morris
was
there
described,
and
we're
also
asking
for
an
increase
of
the
building
height
in
an
A1
Zone
from
45
feet
to
50
feet
to
allow
for
some
clearances
within
the
warehouse
space
to
be
accommodated.
J
So
the
this
first
size
just
said:
General
architectural
rendering
of
the
facility
from
Amity
looking
West,
it's
a
about
36
000
square
feet
of
Warehouse
with
an
office
exterior
storage
and
Landscaping
along
the
entire
length
of
Amity
Road.
J
The
particulars
are,
we
are
developing
of
the
80
plus
acres
15
Acres
of
the
site,
the
building
areas
58
552,
which
would
include
the
office
support
area
over
36,
000
square
feet
of
warehouse
and
a
covered
dock
area
of
approximately
fifteen
thousand
feet.
J
J
This
first
slide
just
gives
kind
of
the
context
similar
to
what
Mr
Roser
was
talking
about.
The
facility
lies
on
the
on
Amity
east
of
Idaho,
Power,
substation
and
north
of
their
power
distribution
and
transmission
line
corridor.
J
We
the
site's
fairly
linear,
in
order
to
stay
out
from
you,
know,
state
north
of
those
power
distribution
lines.
We
kind
of
centered
it
to
kind
of
marry
up
to
what
was
going
across
the
street
because
we
have
to
have
shared
access.
Points
have
to
be
across
the
street
Amity
served
by
Federal
Way
to
the
West,
which
will
be
the
majority
of
the
traffic
will
come
from
the
west
and
then
north
of
the
site.
J
This
slide
shows
in
red
text,
different
dimensions
off
the
project.
The
closest
Dimension
is
300,
I,
think
it's
90
feet.
It's
the
one
that
was
talked
about
to
the
northeast
or
over
1100
feet
from
holocaum.
J
J
This
first
slide
just
starts
to
describe
kind
of
vehicular
access,
because
I
know,
that's
was,
you
know,
was
always
a
concern
with
traffic
and
larger
vehicles
and
whatnot.
So
what
we
have
is
we
have
three
access
points.
The
easternmost
we've
identified
as
the
primary
truck
access
one-way
traffic
into
the
site,
there's
also
so
that
so
the
green
circle
represents
the
point
of
access
to
the
west
of
there.
J
We
have
noted
it's
a
deceleration
Lane
that
we
have
spoken
to
achd
about,
because
idle
power
had
concerns
with
you
know,
larger
trucks
being
able
to
make
the
radius
and
whatnot
and
slowing
down,
and
so
this
seemed
like
a
good
solution
to
solving
that
issue.
Since
there's
no
current
plans
for
any
improvements
to
Amity
at
this
time
by
achd.
J
The
next
slide
shows
represents
the
truck
exit
point,
so
that
will
be
just
one
way
out,
and
so
everything
that
gets
into
the
fan,
stereo
they'll
exit
the
site.
On
that
westernmost
point,
the
center
exit
or
entry
point
is
technically
in
an
employee
entry
point
and
other
Idaho
Power
Vehicles
may
use
that
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
site.
The
parking
on
this
for
the
building
is
directly
north
of
the
building
to
the
to
this
to
the
west
of
the
that
access
point.
J
J
J
J
And
these
last
three
slides
represent
the
the
landscape.
So,
along
a
long
Amity
between
the
building
and
the
street,
we
have
south
of
the
multi-use
path.
We
have
Street
Trees
and
Landscaping
in
planters
and
some
lawn
areas,
and
then
we
have
a
mix
of
lawn
areas
and
Landscape
Planters
support
the
defense
line
and
the
building.
J
B
U
W
U
Just
genuinely
curious
here
is
there
I'm,
I'm
curious,
why
this
building
and
the
storage
rocks
and
all
of
the
things
that
are
out
there?
Why
are
we
not
covered
in
solar
panels?
I
know
that
one
of
the
biggest
expensive
solar
is
proximity
to
the
other
facilities
and
things
that
are
needed
transmission
and
all
of
that
sort
of
stuff.
It
seems
like
it's
already
made
I'm
genuinely
curious.
Why?
That's
not
the
case.
J
So
so
let
me
bear
be
clear
on
the
question:
is
it
to
so
right
now,
the
building
itself,
the
the
main
Warehouse
portion,
the
roof
structure,
is
being
designed
to
accommodate
solar
panels
at
a
future
date,
and
so
we
did
this
in
another
facility
for
auto
power
in
Twin
Falls,
and
so
that
is
a
desired
thing
out
of
auto
power
wants.
So
it's
being
designed
right
now,
at
least
from
the
structural
standpoint,
and
the
second
point
is
I
believe
you're
asking
for
covered
storage
with
a
pan
with.
J
U
U
Okay,
fair
enough,
so
here's
my
other
question
and
don't
I
wouldn't
go
too
far.
U
This
section
of
Amity
can
is
missing
right
now,
and
it
takes
you
all
the
way
up
to
Federal
Way
to
a
10
million
dollar
pathway
right
and
connects
all
the
way
to
surprise
Valley,
which
also
has
pathway
all
the
way
up
and
ultimately
to
Lucky
Peak.
It
also
has
connections
on
Holcomb
that
take
you
over
the
canal,
down
towards
Boise,
Avenue
and
another
connection
on
the
other
side,
down
Amity
and
accurate,
rather,
and
and
takes
you
to
the
Greenbelt
in
the
river.
U
But
this
section
is
missing,
with
the
exception
of
the
sidewalk,
that
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
road,
so
I'm
curious,
you
have
a
chance
to
be
a
hero
name,
the
thing
I
don't
care
right,
but
my
point
is:
is
that
this
is
essentially
you're.
You
may
not
be
back
to
develop
any
more
of
this
property
and
so
with
requesting
a
height
exception
from
us
as
well
I'm
curious.
How
can
we
make
this
happen?
U
How
could
how
can
we
get
the
balance
of
this
parcel
done,
because
the
section
that
was
outlined
in
the
map
at
the
very
least
gets
you
to
that
Holcomb
section
and
down
across
the
canals
near
Canal
down
toward
again
the
other
side
and
then
takes
you
all
the
way
to
surprise
Valley?
How
do
we
make
that
happen?
Is
there
a
mechanism
that
you
can
pay
upfront
costs
and
the
city
refund
part
of
those
funds
later
on?
What
how
do
we
get
there?
We
have
to
get
to
yes,
foreign.
AD
Mr,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
said
I,
suppose
I
think
even
in
the
Cena
they
said
they
had
Grant
possibilities.
Maybe
that
through
that
I
don't
know
if
we
still
have
the
neighborhood
investment
grants
for
neighborhoods,
that
the
city
could
contribute
to
try
to
get
this
pathway
and
although
they
would
have
to
work
with
Idaho
Power,
because
the
pathways
on
their
property.
But
if
it's
a
matter
of
construction,
there
might
be
possibilities
to
to
help
facilitate
the
cost
of
that
that
the
city
could
contribute
and
the
Neighborhood
Mr.
F
Chair
I
had
mentioned
it
yeah,
commissioner,
wouldn't
it
be
I
mean
I
guess
my
question
is:
why
could
it
just
be
a
condition
because
this
is
a
developing
property
that
they're
here
to
Grant
permission
you
know
looking
for?
Could
it
just
be
conditioned
Mr.
AD
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
you
could
condition
it,
although
the
staff
had
concerns
with
this,
in
the
sense
that
every
condition
has
to
have
illegally
has
to.
There
has
to
be
a
Nexus
to
the
condition
being
applied
to
the
use
and
has
to
be
proportional,
and
we
had
concerns
in
this
case,
in
the
sense
that
the
site
in
itself
does
not
generate
pedestrian
traffic
so
and
it
it
would
be
to
get
it
all
the
way.
AD
U
U
C
Like
I
think,
maybe
the
question
I
think
I
have
for
staff
is
David.
Can
you
just
walk
us
through
the
intent
of
the
pathway
being
in
front
of
the
building
that
doesn't
have
a
connection
to
either
the
west
or
the
East
beyond
the
property?
And
we
were
talking
about
12
employees
in
this
building,
so
we're
building
a
12
foot
wide
pathway
in
front
of
the
building
for
12
people,
I
mean
I,
mean
I,
suppose
maybe
there's
someone
from
Hayden
Beverage
that
might
walk
across
the
street
and
do
a
loop.
C
AD
Chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
logic
beyond
that
is
that
the
site
is
actually
located
on
those
two
parcels
and,
and
it's
kind
of
back
to
that
sort
of
aspect
where
we
be
requiring
an
off-site
condition
so
we'll
be
extending
to
Holcomb.
Now
that's
you're
extending
across
the
parcel.
That's
the
facility
is
no
longer
on,
and
that
was
a
concern.
I
mean
I
would
love
to
get
it
there.
AD
I
just
I
just
felt
you
know,
given
what
the
use
is
and
even
getting
back
to
Holcomb
is
over
I
think
a
thousand
feet
if
we
just
I
just
had
concerns
with
the
request
of
that
condition.
Q
AD
Had
the
option
that
has
the
commission
to
to
you
know
to
weigh
these
things
and
do
what
you
wish
and
maybe
the
maybe
the
the
applicant
would
be
willing
to
work.
Idol
power,
I,
don't
know
what
they've
said.
Okay,
all
right.
H
H
AD
Mr,
chair
of
members
of
the
commissioner,
for
the
same
reason,
I,
had
concerns
with
the
other.
Now
the
the
pathway
across
the
South
End
is
over
a
thousand
feet
away
and
it'll
be
once
again
would
be
you
know
extending
it
across.
You
know
it
would
have
to
go
back
to
Holcomb
to
connect
so
now
we're
it's.
It's
just
tying
back
to
the
Nexus
of
this
of
this
utility
facility
with
respect
to
The,
Pedestrian
I
would
love
to
get
it.
AD
Maybe
the
Idaho
Power
would
be
willing
to
at
least
put
it
into
a
a
pedestrian
access,
easement
I'm,
pretty
sure
people
already
used
the
dirt
path
on
the
South
Side,
but
I
just
it
was
just
given
the
nature
of
this
use.
I
I
had
concerns
of
making
these
requests
Mr.
H
AF
Jason
Tomlinson
on
behalf
of
Idaho
Power,
located
at
1221,
West,
Idaho,
Street,
Boise,
Idaho
83702,
getting
to
the
whole
pathway,
because
we
only
have
12
people
working
at
this
site.
It's
not
a
huge
priority
of
ours
within
Idaho
Power
to
fund
what
I'm
estimating
as
an
additional
million
dollars.
You
commented
on.
There
was
a
two
million
dollar
pathway
up
on
Federal
Way
to
Traverse
the
mile
along
Amity
doesn't
bring
great
benefit
to
us.
I
know,
there's
been
support
from
Parks
and
Rec.
There's
support
from
the
neighborhood
association.
AF
I've
used
this
I've
gone
up
to
you
know
the
baseball
fields
up
there,
I've
traversed
along
Amity
plenty
of
times
on
my
bicycle,
yes,
it'd,
be
great.
Idaho
Power
would
be
more
than
willing
to
support
an
easement
all
along
Amity
if
Parks
and
Rec
is
willing
to
fund
that
or
Boise
City
brings
the
funds
to
it.
We're
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
Our
legal
obligation
resides
on
these
two
Parcels
that
we're
basically
developing
this
this
building
on
and
that's
where
it
would
reside,
then,
is
it
the
1900
feet
of
of
lineal
pathway.
C
C
C
Okay,
very
good
looks
like
no
takers
for
the
applicants.
Then
this
is
your
opportunity
for
rebuttal,
typically
there's
public
testimony
to
rebut.
That,
obviously,
is
in
the
case
here
tonight,
so
you
can
certainly
yield
that
time
or
if
you
have
a
couple
final
thoughts,
please
come
on
up
and
share
those
okay,
not
the
record
show
applicant
has
yielded
their
time
for
rebuttal,
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision
again.
This
is
item
number
six
cup
22-39.
C
H
E
H
Yeah
I
agree
with
the
applicant
in
the
city
regarding
off-site
improvements.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
since
there
there
won't
be
any
future
development,
most
likely
by
Idaho
Power
on
these
adjacent
Parcels
that
this
is
our
chance
to
get
Public
Access
and
an
easement
and
Public
Funding
later
to
build
these
New
multi-use
Paths
on
Amity
and
on
the
South
Side
there.
H
So
I
appreciate
the
the
sounds
like
the
interest
in
Idaho
Power
and
providing
that
public
engagement.
So
I'd
like
to
forward
that
as
a
consideration
for
the
commission.
Okay,
thanks
John
any
other.
L
I
can't
support
the
addition
of
the
easement
requirement
because
I
don't
I,
an
easement
is
clearly
a
condition
on
the
on
the
applicant,
an
adverse
condition
right:
you're
you're,
forcing
the
applicant
to
enter
into
an
easement
and
it's
their
property.
So
they
lose
it's
a
condition,
but
we
have
no
testimony
nothing
in
the
record
that
says
what
are
we
trying
to
mitigate
like
what
what
problem
to
and
what
Nexus
is
there
that
we're
trying
to
fix?
L
Sorry,
that's
I.
I
hope
they
do,
but
I
think
it's
way
out
of
line
Mr.
G
L
Maybe
and
related
to
their
development,
yes,
and
when
it
involves,
you
know,
they're
putting
in
a
subdivision
and
and
there's
pedestrian
issues
or
or
bike
issues,
but
we're
talking
about
requiring
an
easement
on
the
south
side
of
their
property.
That
is
a
thousand
feet
from
the
building
they
want
to
put
in
and
that
by
the
way,
there's
a
big
Cliff.
L
H
To
commissioner
Gillespie's
point
I
I
understand
where
he's
coming
from,
but
I
also
would
like
to
hang
my
hat
on
all
the
public
testimony
and
work
that
was
done
on
the
Boise
Pathways
plan.
If
we
didn't
have
clear,
Boise
Pathways
plan
plotted
that
encircles
this
entire
Parcels
that
we're
speaking
of
right
now,
then
I
wouldn't
have
made
an
emotion
but
the
fact
that
it's
gone
through
the
city
and
the
public
process
and
we
plotted
a
path
that
I
just
described
as
a
condition
seems
to
me
to
be
reasonable.
H
B
L
G
E
G
H
Mr,
chair
Mr,
Moody
I've
got
a
question
then,
regarding
the
partial
and
this
and
commissioner
Gillespie's
point
is
the
South
Boise
Pathways
plan
path.
Is
that
on
the
same
part,
so
I
know
it's
a
thousand
feet
away
as
the
as
we've
discussed
just
discussed,
but
it
is
the
same
parcel
correct.
B
C
Well,
we've
got
a
motion
to
approve
cop
22-39
motion
was
by
commissioner
Mooney.
The
second
was
by
commissioner
Stead.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
see
how
things
fall.
B
B
AG
C
B
U
I
think
I
should
add
this
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
say
this
I.
What
I
was
hoping
to
hear
would
be.
You
know,
there's
a
recognition
that
this
is
a
significant
parcel.
It's
a
significant
part
of
our
overall
cities,
Greenbelt
system
and
even
if
it's
not
necessarily
required
to
pave
it,
an
easement
recognizing
that
any
future
development
that
would
come
before
us
is
going
to
be
subject
to
the
same
pathway,
requirement.
I.
Think
it'd
be
easy
for
the
applicant
to
say
we're.
U
U
I
understand
the
the
comments
and
concerns
raised
by
commissioner
Gillespie
I
also
understand,
commissioner
Mooney's
point
and
that
this
significant
undertaking
of
the
pathway
plan
that
was
very
significant
in
the
sense
that
it
did
reach
out
to
a
lot
of
people,
and
this
is
a
massive
chunk
of
that
plan-
exists
and
it
can't
just
simply
be
denied.
So
that's
what
I'd
love
to
hear
but
I
don't
know
if
I'm
gonna
hear
it
so
whether
or
not
to
improve
I'm.
Still
thinking
about
that.
B
F
Just
because
somebody's
gonna
have
to
change
their
mind,
I
think
for
us
to
get
through
this
I
will
share
my
opinion,
which
is
that
it
doesn't
really
make
any
sense
to
me
to
put
a
partial
pathway
on
a
property
that
has
no
I
mean
this
is
a
public
utility
that
owns
this
land.
They
have
in
you
know
intense
infrastructure
on
this
property.
They
are
not
going
to
be
walking
away
from
this
property
anytime
soon.
We
think
that
this
might
be.
F
You
know
the
only
the
only
time
in
many
years,
maybe
decades,
that
this
property
is
before
us,
and
this
is
the
missing
link.
We
heard
the
applicant
or
the
yeah
we
heard,
Idaho
Power
suggest
the
easement,
and
that's
what
I
heard
in
that
testimony.
I,
don't
know
why
we
wouldn't
take
advantage
of
this
opportunity
right
now,
where
the
applicant
is
saying
that
they
would
agree
to
that,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
to
connect.
F
B
K
And
to
add,
on
top
of
that,
I
think
my
hesitation
in
approving
an
easement
is
because
I
don't
know
anything
about
the
easement
I,
don't
know
how
wide
it
is.
I,
don't
know
where
exactly
it
is
in
that
south
portion.
How
far
along
it
goes,
you
know.
Does
it
do
that
jog
similar
to
this
dirt
road
that
I'm,
seeing
or
does
it
kind
of
parallel
I?
Just
don't
have
enough
detail
about
it
to
know
what
I'm,
what
he's
been
I'm,
improving
and
I
think
that's
my
biggest
hesitation.
K
So
if
something
was
being
built
over
there
based
on
Mr
moser's
kind
of
narrative,
it
sounds
like
you
know
that
easement
would
come
into
play
at
that
time,
but
it's
just
I
just
don't
know
what
I'm
approving
with
Amusement
right
there,
because
it's
not
in
front
of
me.
B
H
C
Getting
at
is
what's
some
clarification.
Well,
as
it
stands
right
now,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
with
no
additional
conditions.
Okay,
so
we'd
have
to
resolve
that
situation
before
we
do
anything
else
or
add
a
condition
with
the
motioner's
approval,
but
essentially
the
questions
that
commissioner
Moore
commissioner
Setter
asking
of
David
is
what
is
the
easement?
Where
is
these
met?
What
the
width
of
these
meant
B
where's
it
going
so
so
more
detail
to
that.
B
F
B
AD
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission
along
the
roadway
you,
we
would
generally
want
a
12-foot
wide
multi
multi-use
path
with
2p
on
either
side
for
the
for
the
easement
itself,
and
it
could
it
just
extend
it
will
mirror
and
extend
naturally
along
the
road
that
would
follow
in
a
straight
line
as
much
as
possible
the
existing
path
of
proposing.
That
would
be
my
suggestion.
AD
C
Okay,
so
taking
a
step
back,
I
mean
I
think
we're
generally
an
agreement.
We
approve
the
project
we'd
be
able
to
hung
up
on
the
pathway
topic.
So
at
this
point
right
now
again,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
by
commissioner
Gillespie,
with
a
second
by
commissioner
Squires
I'm,
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
and
see
how
it
goes.
C
I
think
the
city
and
the
applicant
has
heard
plenty
of
testimony
regarding
our
concerns
with
this
project
and
our
desire
to
see
a
pathway
extend
as
much
as
possible
in
the
future
one
way
or
another,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
and
we'll
see
what
happens
again.
Cp22-39
commission
motion
to
approve
by
Gillespie
second
by
Squires
will
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
C
D
M
J
B
D
C
Gonna,
do
a
quick
break.
Seven's
gonna,
take
a
little
time.
Sorry,
five
minute
break.
We
back
it
8
35.,
all
right,
8
35!
Let's
get
back
to
it!
Folks,
all
right
up
next
for
us
is
item
number
seven
CVA
22-24,
Renaissance,
Remodeling,
Company
Incorporated
at
120,
North
bacon
drive.
This
is
a
variance
to
encroach
in
this
encroach
the
side
step
back
for
parking
and
to
reduce
the
parking
landscape
buffer
on
0.17
acres
in
an
r1c
Zone
and
we'll
start
with
staff.
Mr
David
Mosher
again.
AD
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
Commissioners,
the
applicant
request,
the
variance
for
parking
to
encroach
into
the
interior
side
setback
and
to
reduce
that
landscape
buffer
along
the
side
side,
property
line
of
the
site.
The
subject
property
is
0.17
acres
in
size
and
is
located
at
120,
North
bacon
in
our
drive
in
an
r1c
Zone.
As
you
can
see
from
the
Aero
photograph,
the
surrounding
area
is
a
residential
neighborhood,
comprised
of
single-family
homes
and
I
believe
there
are
State,
Office,
Buildings
adjacent
to
the
east.
AD
The
applicant
has
proposed
them
to
construct
approximately
170
square
foot,
dining
room
addition
to
the
house,
which
would
remove
the
existing
garage.
Therefore,
the
required
parking
for
the
house
will
be
replaced
with
a
9
by
20
pave
parking
pad
located
outside
the
front
sat
back
and
in
the
in
the
side,
yard
setback.
The
applicant
is
also
proposing
to
reduce
the
required
three
foot
landscape
buffer
along
the
north
side
to
six
inches.
The
planning
team
cannot
identify
a
hardship
or
an
exceptional
circumstance
associated
with
the
property.
AD
The
parcel
exceeds
the
lot
size
requirements,
The
r1c
Zone,
it's
approximately
7
400
square
feet
in
size
and
60
feet
wide.
Where
5
000
square
feet
and
50
feet
wide
is
the
minimum
standard
for
this.
For
this
r1z
Zone.
Therefore,
there
is
space
on
site
to
accommodate
the
building
Edition
that
could
meet
the
Property
Owners
needs
and
that
does
not
remove
the
required
parking
space.
This
could
include
constructing
an
addition
onto
the
back
of
the
house
or
onto
the
front
of
the
house
that
complies
with
setbacks.
AD
These
slides
here
show
the
proposed
building
addition
and
the
part
and
the
parking
space
and
alternative
design.
In
particular,
the
development
code
allows
for
a
15-foot
front
setback
to
living
space
within
the
r1c
Zone.
The
exist
house
is
set
back
25
feet
from
the
property
line,
which
would
allow
for
a
large,
a
large
building
addition
onto
the
front
of
the
house,
while
still
maintaining
the
parking.
However,
I
will
note
there
are
two
large
trees
in
the
front
front
yard
area
that
could
be
impacted
with
this
alternative
design.
AD
AI
AI
Douglas
Anderson
a
vet
and
a
friend
of
the
longest
standing
Warden
at
the
old
Idaho
State
Penitentiary
purchased
his
home
in
1949..
You
can
see
him
up
there.
This
home
also
backs
up
the
old
say
Penitentiary.
Today,
Mike
Quinn
works
for
the
VA
Hospital
down
the
road
and,
in
addition
to
this,
Mike
Quinn
is
a
great
nephew
of
the
original
owner,
Douglas
and
Luis
Anderson.
AI
Today
we
request
consideration
of
variance
to
allow
Mike
and
Ashley
to
relocate
the
parking
spot
for
reasonable
Improvement
by
adding
a
modest
170
square
foot
dining
room
to
complete
lists
of
variants
to
the
parking
buffer
as
necessary.
We
asked
to
minimize
the
parking
buffer
on
the
north
side
of
the
property
line
from
three
feet
to
six
inches.
AI
As
you
can
see
there
and
we're
asking
for
this
much
room
here
to
reduce
that
the
hardship
on
this
property
was,
it
was
built
in
1949
without
parking
requirements
and
setbacks,
again
a
hardship,
honest
property
was,
it
was
built
in
1949
before
parking
requirements
and
setbacks
were
imposed
these
after
the
fact
requirements
place
a
hardship
that
was
not
originally
intended
at
the
time
of
construction
like
for
many
others
in
this
neighborhood.
This
restriction
results
in
the
inability
for
homeowners
to
make
necessary
improvements
as
a
home
age
and
families
grow
and
evolve.
AI
When
this
land
was
subdivided
setbacks
and
parking
requirements
were
non-issue
and
the
ability
to
make
improvements
as
and
their
ability
to
make
improvements
as
needed.
As
we
can
see,
new
homes
allow
adequate
access,
and
you
can
see
here.
This
is
a
new
home
in
that
neighborhood
and
it
adds
adequate
access
to
the
backyard.
The
home
is
kind
of
proportioned
off
to
the
side,
so
you
can
get
through
there.
AI
The
risk
to
not
considering
this
variance
in
response
to
the
after
the
fact
parking
requirements
and
setbacks
is
that
this
may
result
in
home
being
sold
and
left
up
for
unpredictable
development,
which
we
have
already
seen.
Small
variances
allow
homes
to
be
updated
without
demolishing
black
and
white
code
enforcement
may
lead
to
demolishment
demolishing
and
rebuilds.
AI
This
one's
on
the
left
hand
side
of
the
property,
so
this
property
is
actually
pretty
unique.
It
also
has
no
parking
buffers
on
both
properties
and
they're.
Both
conjoined
by
non-porous
concrete
same
here
same
here
as
well
as
here
this
one's
really
obvious.
You
can
see
that
fence
in
the
background
there
same
in
both
of
these
as
well.
AI
AI
Furthermore,
unpredictable
development
means
that
affordability
goes
out.
The
window,
as
we
can
see
here,
120
North
Bacon
street
is
estimated
at
540
000,
with
the
new
home
all
you're.
Adding
is
one
bedroom,
we're
already
almost
tough
to
double
that
and
reboot
homes
create
unstable
property
values,
creating
higher
property
taxes.
AI
AI
All
right
city
of
Boise's
rebuttal
is
that
we
could
rearrange
this
home
to
allow
for
kitchen
and
dining
in
the
other
parts
of
this
home.
Our
assessment
is
to
rearrange
this
home
in
any
other
way
than
proposed
would
be
unaffordable
and
a
tear
down
would
be
more
cost
effective,
so
the
city
of
Boise
proposed.
In
addition,
that
can't
be
constructed
because
it
is
under
the
crown
of
both
front
trees
and
it
would
kill
the
trees
and
drastically
change
the
character
of
the
home.
AI
Both
those
crowns
go
over
the
top
of
that
property
or
over
the
top
of
that
house.
Those
roots
go
straight
up
into
that
house
and
there's
really
no
room
to
bump
that
out
in
the
front
right
there,
as
well
as
rearranging
the
back
of
that
home
you'd
have
to
rearrange
the
entire
house.
It's
going
to
be
way
too
expensive.
We
could
build
a
new
home
for
cheaper
than
that
foreign.
AI
There
is
no
exceptional
circumstance
associated
with
the
property
that
are
generically
applicable
in
larger
residential
zoning
districts.
In
particular,
the
single-family
homes
with
an
overall
residential
neighborhoods
are
all
required
to
provide
required
parking
outside
of
setbacks,
and
our
assessment
is
that
required.
Parking
outside
of
setbacks
will
be
provided.
There's
plenty
of
street
parking
here,
City
voices,
rebuttal,
many
of
the
adjacent
single
family
houses
within
the
neighborhood
provide
the
required
landscape
buffer
between
the
parking
space
and
the
side
property
line.
Q
AI
Such
the
requested
variance
is
not
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
In
addition,
this
project
design
can
be
modified
to
meet
the
development
code
as
seen
many
adjacent
single
family
homes
in
this
neighborhood
and
on
Bacon
Street
do
not
have
the
required
landscape
buffer
and
rearranging
the
home
in
any
other
way
than
proposed
would
be
unaffordable,
and
the
City
of
Boise's
proposed
Edition
is
just
not
feasible
city
of
Boise's
rebuttal.
AI
The
variance
will
be
materially
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare
safety,
or
welfare
or
interest
to
the
property
or
improvements
of
other
property
owners,
or
the
quiet
enjoyment
thereof.
Locating
the
parking
space
six
inches
from
the
property
line
and
not
providing
the
landscape
screening
would
adversely
impact
the
adjacent
property.
In
addition,
the
required
three
foot
wide
landscape
buffer
would
accommodate
drainage
on
site
when
without
this
landscape,
but
for
the
storm
water
runoff
could
adversely
impact
the
adjacent
property.
AI
AI
AI
The
city
of
Boise
Blue
blueprint
Boise
states
that
Boise's
growth
will
happen
in
a
sustainable,
efficient
and
responsible
manner
that
maintains
and
enhances
its
treasured
quality
of
life.
While
meeting
the
challenges
of
the
future
and
Boise
will
be
known
for
environmental
stewardship.
A
predictable
development
pattern
in
stable
neighborhoods
new
builds,
plus
tax
increases,
equals
unpredictable
growth
in
unstable,
neighborhoods.
AI
In
a
community
such
as
the
neighborhood
on
bacon
Drive,
where
the
homeowners
are
an
integral
piece
of
the
culture
of
Boise
city
and
are
approving
of
the
proposed
improvements,
homeowners
must
be
able
to
make
realistic
and
reasonable
requests
for
their
homes,
such
as
this
variance
to
maintain
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
home
and
the
beauty
of
the
city
in
its
communities.
As
you
see
today,
we
have
a
group
of
people
from
the
neighborhood
Who
support
this
variance
being
granted
as
committed
community
members
of
Boise.
AI
C
Right,
thank
you.
Mr
Vincent,
okay,
next,
we'll
see
if
we
have
anyone
from
the
East
End
neighborhood
association
present.
E
K
So
I
think
this
might
be
a
question
for
the
applicant,
but
can
you
tell
me
what
the
age
of
the
house
do?
You
know
if
the
garage
is
in
addition
to
the
house,
or
is
that
original
to
the
house.
K
Then
one
more
Mr.
K
How
far
back
is
the
garage
from
the
front
step
back?
Do
you
have
that
number
off
the
top
of
your
head
currently.
E
E
K
B
Please
unfortunately,.
K
I,
don't
see
any
pictures
of
the
back,
but
what
are
there
any
particular
elements
of
the
house
that
make
it
infeasible
to
extend,
maybe
put
the
that
bedroom
in
the
back
and
then
have
the
the
dining
room
kind
of
take
up
that
bedroom?
Are
there
any
like
particular
elements
back
there?
Maybe
some
utilities.
AI
So
there
are
bedrooms
back
there
right,
there's
a
couple
of
bathrooms
back
there,
so
really
what
you're
gonna
have
to
do
to
put
any
addition
for
dining
space
indoor
kitchen.
You
really
don't
want
to
put
your
dining
space
in
the
very
back
to
the
home
with
your
kitchen
in
the
very
front
of
the
home.
That's
just
not
really
workable.
AI
AI
C
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
a
couple:
questions:
Mr
President:
can
you
step
back
up
a
couple
questions
for
you,
sorry
to
make
you
do
the
dance
up
and
down
I've
been
doing
that
to
everybody
tonight,
though,
so.
AI
C
Little
workout
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
thought
process
about
how
the
pad
that
have
as
you're
proposing
functions.
So
what's
you
have
basically
the
driveway
and
you
have
a
pad
that's
sort
of
kitty
corner.
If
you
will
yeah
is
the
thought
process
what's
in
front
of
the
pad.
C
C
AI
The
only
way
to
get
this
Edition
in
that
area
and
it
doesn't
work
on
the
front
of
the
home.
We
know
it
doesn't
work
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
home,
so
really
we're
stuck
to
that
right.
There's
no
access
to
the
back
of
the
home
state
owns.
That
is
that
that
is
currently
a
approved
parking
spot
right,
so
we'd
be
taking
that
one
away
and
putting
one
next
to
it.
AI
Really
you
can't
do
anything
else,
so
if
you
put
something
there,
you
can't
park
in
front
of
it
right
because
you'd
be
inside
of
you'd,
be
outside
of
setbacks
at
that
point,
so
we'd
be
in
the
same
situation
and
the
only
other
part
is
to
the
left
of
that
which
is
next
to
the
property
line.
L
C
David,
would
you
do
you
agree
with
the
applicants?
Understanding
I
mean
we're
essentially
going
in
my
mind.
What
I'm
thinking
is.
Maybe
it's
more
obtuse
to
stall
two
parking
stalls
side
by
side,
rather
than
tandem
like
you
have.
It
seems
to
be
really
darn
close
to
having
16
feet
wide,
which
would
be
a
narrow,
driveway.
I
admit
that
that
would
just
baby
maybe
touch
the
setback.
C
It's
my
understanding
am
I
am
I
off
base
on
that
understanding,
rather
than
going
from
a
tandem
like
they
have
now,
they
have
a
side
by
side
on
a
very
narrow
driveway
and
be
out
of
the
setback.
That's.
AD
Mr
chair
members,
commission
I
think
if,
if
they
build
the
addition,
where
it
is,
then
any
parking
either
side
by
side
or
tenant
would
be
in
the
front
setback.
AD
AI
So
the
city
voices
allowed
us
one
parking
spot
on
this.
So
that's
why
we're
taking
away
that
one
parking
spot
so
we're
using
that
driveway
as
our
one
parking
spot
that
we're
taking
away.
B
H
It's
a
question
for
Steph
dude:
is
the
applicants
claim
that
your
suggestion
of
a
front
offset
for
an
addition
would
he's
saying
the
crown
of
the
tree
is
an
issue
is
what
what's
your
thoughts
on
the
trees.
AD
Mr,
chair
members,
the
commission
I'm
not
quite
an
arborist
but
I
I
acknowledge
the
fact
that
pushing
the
building
forward
would
would
damage
the
trees.
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
I
don't
know
the
properties
that
well.
U
Commissioner,
just
quick
question
of
Staff
here,
so
in
reading
our
code,
it
says
that
you
know
where
it
can
be
shown.
A
strict
application
of
of
this
ordinance
creates
an
undue
hardship
which
I
think
we've
reset.
The
city
staff
report
has
said
that
does
not
exist
or
where
there
is
an
exceptional
circumstance
which
we're
also
saying
does
not
exist
but
also
says
related
to
the
intended
use
of
this
property
and
where
there
is
no
opposition.
That's
also
in
the
code
I
know.
U
In
our
staff
report
there
was
a
pretty
hefty
amount
of
public
testimony
regarding
a
lack
of
opposition.
Your
general
take
on
that
portion
of
our
code
is
I,
it
is
an
and
it's
not
an
or
it's
an,
and
so
it's
it
is
the
way
I
read
it.
It's
saying
exceptional
circumstances,
you
know
undue
hardship
and
the
no
opposition,
so
it
seems
to
me
it's.
It
has
to
be
one
of
the
first
to
end.
The
the
last
is
that
in
am
I
interpreting
that
correctly.
AD
Mr
chair
members
of
commission
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
the
the
first
heart
or
the
first
finding
As
I
understood
it
was
that
there's
either
a
hardship
with
the
property
itself
or
an
exceptional
circumstance
related
to
the
intended
use
of
property
that
is
not
generally
applicable
to
the
district
I.
Don't
know
where
the
opposition
is
unless
you're
talking
like
administrative
variances,.
C
C
AK
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Delina
Arrington
I
live
at
606,
North
bacon,
Drive
I
have
one
of
those
driveways
like
they
have
I
mean
we
have
a
garage,
we
can
drive
into
it,
but
we
can't
open
the
doors
like
we
don't
use
our
drive.
We
don't
use
our
garage,
so
I
completely
understand
where
they
need
that
extra
parking.
AK
Street,
so
they
would
have
to
like
Park
one
person.
You
know
they
can't
park
Tandem
and
we
have
the
same
issue
and
just
the
way
these
houses
were
built
back
in
the
50s.
You
know
we
need
some
kind
of
variance
so
that
we
can
our
as
our
family
grows,
that
we
can
live
in
our
home
and
you
know
make
some
changes.
AK
Obviously
you
know
hindsight
they
could
have
moved
the
house
back.
You
know
they
would
have
that.
We
would
have
done
that
and
I
just
hope
that
you
can
consider
this
variation
for
this
for
them
and
be
able
to
move
forward
with
our
project.
Thank
you.
AH
Hi,
my
name
is
Jason
Durand
2517,
West,
Jefferson,
Street,
Commissioners
I'm,
in
support
of
this
variance.
More
generally,
however,
I'm
compelled
to
like
question
why
requests
like
this
are
made
and
I'm
stuck
on
a
few
things
in
this
case.
The
first
is
my
understanding
of
what
things
qualify
as
a
hardship
for
the
issue
into
the
variants.
AH
AH
This
is
essentially
an
economic
denial
dressed
up
as
a
legal
denial
if
it
is
to
be
denied
I,
don't
want
to
say
anything
as
remedies
without
a
variance,
as
Renaissance
has
said,
are
likely
to
be
substantially
more
expensive
than
you
know,
then
this
this
is
probably
the
most
economic
way
to
move
forward.
The
second
more
important
thing
that
question
is
why
the
owner
must
provide
off-street
parking
at
all
and
in
this
case,
what
counts
as
off
street
parking.
AH
AL
Hi,
my
name
is
Mike
Quinn
I'm,
actually,
the
the
owner
at
120,
North
bacon,
Drive
just
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things
for
you
mainly
to
your
comment,
commissioner,
we
do
not
actually
have
the
ability
to
gain
access
to
the
rear
of
our
property,
so
there
is
an
actual.
It's
state
land
behind
us.
AL
There
is
an
old
barbed
wire
top
fence,
there's
actually
a
drainage
soil
behind
us
and
anyone
who
cuts
a
gate
in
or
does
any
improvements
behind
our
property
lines
kind
of
get
slapped
around
by
the
state
of
Idaho
because
they
own
that
property.
So
there
is
no
vehicular
access
to
any
of
the
properties
along
our
neighborhood
other
than
that.
I've
spent
the
last
probably
six
years
of
my
life
personally
remodeling
my
house,
to
make
it
exactly
what
I
want
I've
put
Blood,
Sweat
and
Tears
I
know
every
inch
of
my
house.
AL
I
have
already
remodeled
it
exactly
as
I
want.
The
only
thing
missing
is
simply
a
dining
space
more
than
you
can
see
three
people.
So
currently
you
know
if
we
have
people
over
we're
talking.
Four
people
I
have
to
move
our
tiny
circular
dining
table
out.
That
is
nested
against
a
wall.
It
blocks
the
the
walkway
into
our
kitchen.
So
anytime
someone
has
to
get
up
and
get
a
food
item
from
the
kitchen
to
serve
the
table.
You
actually
have
to
get
up
from
that
seat.
AL
Pull
the
chair
aside
to
get
someone
into
the
kitchen.
It's
it's
not
great.
Try
having
anyone
more
than
four
other.
You
know
four
people
total
in
the
house.
It's
pretty
much,
not
feasible,
so
we've
really
tried
everything.
We
can
we're
trying
to
do
this.
The
right
way,
I
have
permitted
everything
and
been
approved
by
the
city
to
date
for
everything
I've
done,
I'd
like
to
continue
doing
that.
So
we
don't
end
up
as
many
other
properties
down.
AL
If
you
know
our
neighbors
really
that
pave
up
to
the
property
line,
I
don't
want
to
be
that
guy.
So
I
would
ask
please
to
approve
the
variants,
so
we
can
do
this
very
thoughtful,
we'll
say:
non-invasive
addition
to
our
house.
Thank
you.
AK
Z
My
name
is
Maggie
Broden
I
reside
at
121,
North
bacon
drive
and
our
house
is
one
of
those
that
doesn't
have
parking
and
down
the
street.
Another
neighbor
just
made
parking
without
any
space
in
between
was
that
you
know
it's
just
part
of
the
necessity
of
the
neighborhood
and
we
host
a
lot
of
the
Botanical
Garden
parking.
So
it
is
nice
to
be
able
to
park
off
of
the
street
and
allow
for
flow
of
traffic
and
things
like
that.
But
it
seems
like
a
pretty
small
ask.
So
thank
you
for
considering
thank.
B
B
C
Okay,
very
good,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
public
testimony.
This
is
now
the
opportunity
for
the
the
applicant
to
rebut
any
statements
from
testimony
so
I.
Imagine
that
might
be
pretty
quick,
but
go
ahead.
AI
I,
definitely
don't
have
any
rebuttal
to
any
of
that,
but
it's
very
true
I
think.
The
one
thing
we
need
to
remember
is
that
we're
all
talking
about
what
our
communities
need,
what
our
community
wants.
That's
what
you
guys
are
here
for
we've
I
think
shown
to
you
that
the
community
around
120,
North
bacon
Drive,
is
totally
accepting
of
this
feature.
AI
They
all
feel
that
it
fits
in
with
this
neighborhood.
That
is
a
good
thing
to
accommodate
these
things.
For
these
homeowners
and
I
think
the
big
thing
is
like
we've
seen
here:
Mike
his
his
family
has
lived
here,
the
entire
time
this
house
has
been
here.
That's
what
we
don't
want
to
drive
out
and
we
could
easily
see
how
that
could
happen
with
some
small
things.
So
really,
what
we
want
to
see
is
to
look
at
these
jobs
in
a
little
bit.
AI
You
know
job
per
job
basis,
so
we
can
really
try
to
save
these
homes
and
neighborhoods
I'm,
not
kind
of
look
at
it
black
and
white.
So
we
force
these
people
out.
That's
all
I
have
thank
you
good.
C
C
K
F
So
I
have
I
and
as
it's
simply
for
me
that
that
you
know
we
are
here
to
enforce
the
code
and
I
don't
see
a
reason
for
this
variance
as
the
code
is
written.
Unfortunately,
our
blueprint
Boise
does
contradict
our
code
sometimes,
and
in
that
situation
the
code
is
more
important
than
blueprint
Boise.
Hopefully
that's
what
some
of
the
code
rewrite
will
will
do
is
clarify.
F
You
know
kind
of
better
align
those
two
things,
but
as
the
code
is
written,
I
do
not
see
the
hardship,
I
understand
it's
an
old
house
and
they
come
with
our
quirks,
but
but
just
because
the
house
was
built
before
the
code,
in
my
opinion,
doesn't
mean
that
then
we
get
to
ignore
the
code.
B
K
And
totally
agree
with
the
commissioner
stead.
I
think
the
biggest
thing
for
me
is,
you
know:
I,
don't
see
any
photos
of
the
back
of
the
house
and
not
necessarily
vehicular
access,
but
why
you
know
that
bedroom
Can't,
Be
Moved,
slightly
planned
North
and
the
the
dining
room
takes
its
space.
I.
Think
a
little
bit
for
me
a
little
bit
more
detail
about.
What's
going
about
on
the
back
of
the
house,
why
it's
not
feasible
to
add
an
addition
onto
that
rear
portion.
K
That's
really
the
reason
why
I'm
in
support
of
the
denial
it's
just
because
I
can't
prove
that
there's
not
a
hardship
without
seeing
it
or
there
is
a
hardship
about
seeing
it.
The
other
reason
you
know
this
garage
was
an
addition
or
maybe
built
after
the
facts.
I
could
kind
of
get
behind
the
argument
that
it
wasn't.
K
You
know
built
with
kind
of
these
setbacks
in
mind,
but
in
fact
the
the
parking
was
built
inside
the
setbacks,
even
though
they
may
have
looked
different
at
that
time,
so
it
did
conform
at
the
time.
In
fact,
it
more
than
conformed
at
the
time,
and
so
we're
kind
of
bringing
it
out
of
performance,
even
though
it
was
originally
built
to
comply.
So
for
those
reasons
for
the
dirt
of
the
denial.
E
C
C
D
B
C
You
all
Carry
On
number
10.,
okay,.
C
C
We're
gonna
be
careful,
carry
on
I
didn't
say
you
were
a
mean
old
guy,
okay,
jolene's
up
and
ready
to
go
here.
So
we'll
get
moving
to
item
number
ten.
This
is
car
22-14,
PUD,
22-46
and
SUV
22-46
at
2521
West
Victory
Road.
We
have
a
rezone
conditional
use
permit
for
358
multi-family
units
and
the
associated
preliminary
Platt.
AM
Good
evening
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
before
you
as
a
request
for
the
rezone
Planning,
Development
and
subdivision,
the
project
site
is
approximately
18
Acres
located
at
2521
West
Victory
Road.
This
property
is
located
within
the
central
bench
planning
area
which
is
situated
between
downtown
and
the
airport.
The
proposed
project
sits
between
West
Victory
Road
to
the
North
and
the
New
York
Canal
to
the
South.
Less
than
a
quarter
mile
from
the
site
is
a
bus
stop
at
visten
Canal,
which
is
served
by
VRT
route
3.
AM
directly
north
as
a
Melody
Thornton
Mobile,
Home
Park,
and
the
Sugar
Pine
Townhomes
to
the
Northwest
is
a
hotel
and
medical
office
to
the
Northeast.
A
single
family
residential
neighborhood,
directly
adjacent
to
the
site
to
the
east
is
a
vacant
parcel
anticipated
to
redevelop
in
a
similar
fashion.
To
the
West
is
a
five-acre
agricultural
property
and
Beyond.
The
New
York
canals
of
the
South
is
the
sunrise
room
residential
neighborhood.
AM
The
site
has
a
mixed-use
designation,
which
is
intended
to
promote
a
more
compact,
pedestrian
and
transit-oriented
pattern
of
development.
Due
to
this
location,
a
higher
density
than
what's
currently
allowed
in
the
A1
zone
is
supported
by
blueprint
Boise.
The
rezone
request
is
to
R3,
which
would
allow
for
a
maximum
of
43
and
a
half
units
per
acre.
The
proposed
project
would
have
a
total
density
of
just
under
20
units
per
acre.
AM
AM
Due
to
the
specific
use
and
location
of
the
property.
A
development
agreement
was
included
with
the
application.
This
provides
assurances
that
the
goals
of
the
neighborhood
will
be
supported
and
if
any
modifications
do
occur,
another
public
hearing
would
be
required.
The
da
ties,
the
reason
to
the
conceptual
plan
submitted
and
places
limitations
on
vehicular
access,
specifies
pathway
locations
and
requires
for
Community
amenities.
The
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
can
add,
delete
or
modify
these
conditions,
which
will
ultimately
be
considered
by
city
council.
AM
The
Pud
proposal
associated
with
the
rezone
request,
includes
358
multi-family
residential
rental
units,
comprised
of
Studio
to
three
bedrooms
and
three-story
Apartments
and
Townhomes.
The
proposed
three-story
residential
buildings
are
within
the
maximum
allowed
45-foot
height
limit
of
the
R3
Zone.
The
proposed
elevations
provide
a
mix
of
architectural
interests,
including
diversification
of
roof
lines,
window
treatments,
materials
and
colors.
Further
review
and
refinement
of
the
elevations
and
Landscape
plans
will
occur
during
the
design
review
process.
AM
Each
unit
includes
a
private
patio
balcony
space
and
the
buildings
are
situated
to
provide
Street
activation
with
either
front
doors
or
patios
facing
the
road.
The
project
meets
the
requirements
for
both
vehicle
and
bicycle
parking
on
site.
The
on-site
amenities
include
a
community
Clubhouse
fitness
facility,
swimming
pool,
playground,
dog
park,
dog
washing
station
community
garden
and
several
pocket
parks.
AM
The
request
also
includes
a
preliminary
plot
for
a
subdivision
comprised
of
three
buildable
and
one
common
lot.
The
subdivision
request
is
to
allow
for
the
extension
and
development
of
public
roads
through
the
project.
The
site
plan
proposes
two
substrates
extending
to
the
East
and
one
stub
to
the
West
two
public
Street
access
points
are
proposed
from
Victory
Road
running
north
to
south.
This
public
Street
network
is
vital
to
provide
adequate
access
and
future
connectivity
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
AM
Public
comments
were
received
and
detailed
concerns
with
the
increased
traffic
safety,
with
the
existing
infrastructure
and
incompatibility
with
the
neighborhood.
The
planning
team
points
to
the
improvements
that
the
site
will
be
making
to
Victory
Road.
The
applicant
will
be
providing
and
adding
pathway
connections
throughout
the
property
and
the
site
is
designated
mixed
use,
which
is
intended
for
this
higher
density
product
achd
provided,
provided
an
agency
comment
letter
within
the
late
correspondence.
AM
AE
My
name
is
Ryan
Morgan
333,
Josephine,
Street,
Denver
Colorado
good
evening
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission.
It's
a
pleasure
to
speak
in
front
of
you.
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
we
really
appreciate
staff
working
with
us
on
our
project
and
we
agree
with
the
staff
report.
AE
All
right,
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
background
about
myself
and
my
company.
My
name
is
Ryan
Morgan.
My
partner
is
Ari
over
there.
We
have
been
friends
for
over
a
decade
and
I
have
been
building
apartments
for
a
little
longer
than
that.
I
am
a
third
generation
developer.
I
grew
up
on
job
sites
as
a
five-year-old
sweeping
drywall
dust
and
working
with
my
whole
family
to
build
apartment
buildings
across
the
country.
I've
lived
in
every
time
zone
and
I've
learned
that
building
communities
is
my
passion.
AE
I
wanted
to
show
examples
of
the
high
quality
of
work
that
we've
done
across
the
country.
With
these
images
here
you
can
see
this
is
a
Podium
project
in
Charlotte
North
Carolina,
but
you
can
just
see
how
the
high
quality
touch
finishes
and
we
really
think
through
the
programming
and
activation
of
all
of
our
residents,
not
just
within
our
community,
but
how
we
connect
with
the
community
in
general.
AE
Okay,
this
shows
the
inner
side
Courtyards.
So
these
are
pools.
We
actually
had
the
lighting
company
that
did
Lady
Gaga's
tours.
Do
our
pool
and
Courtyard
amenities,
I
really
think
lighting
is
such
an
amazing
feature
of
connectivity
in
community,
and
we
have
you
know
it
was
a
big
Golf
Community
as
well.
AE
We
put
a
park
in
the
back
of
that
Community.
This
is
a
project
that
we
did
in
Chicago,
just
highlighting
that
we
actually
won
a
mini
project
of
the
Year
award
for
multi-family
magazine
for
our
thoughtfulness
and
our
amenities
and
our
the
way
we
worked
with
the
city
and
we
put
together
an
entire
art
program
using
just
chicago-based
artists
to
fill
the
hallways
and
all
the
amenity
spaces.
AG
Deborah
Nelson
601,
West,
Bannock,
Street
I'll
continue
the
applicant's
presentation
here
and
try
not
to
repeat
too
much
of
what
Delaney
said,
but
we
are
in
agreement
with
staff's
recommendations
here,
and
so
she
did
a
great
job
covering
it.
I
think,
just
in
addition
to
the
vicinity,
I
would
just
point
out
how
close
we
are
to
the
airport
just
about
a
half
mile
here
and
immediately
below
that
New
York
canal
and
in
Vista.
AG
Focusing
in
on
the
site
plan,
as
Delaney
mentioned,
seasons
on
the
bench
includes
358
units
with
a
mix
of
town
homes
and
apartments
and
a
range
of
unit
mixes
within
those
buildings.
This
includes
an
increase
in
the
town
home
count
based
on
staff's
comments
on
the
application.
The
site
includes
a
central,
Clubhouse
and
pool
and
extensive
amenity
areas.
You
can
see
the
little
pink
tree
areas,
the
Clusters
there,
our
pocket
parks
that
are
surrounded
by
benches
and
or
have
benches
and
plazas
that
create
Gathering
areas
throughout
the
site.
AG
Delaney
mentioned
the
preliminary
plot.
This
is
required
here
simply
to
accommodate
planning,
Department's
requests
to
include
public
streets,
and
we
did
get
comments,
as
was
noted
during
the
staff
presentation
and
during
the
late
correspondence
from
achd
that
include
a
number
of
conditions
related
to
the
conversion
of
public
streets
and
dressing
width
and
alignment
and
cul-de-sacs
in
some
locations.
Many
of
these
conditions
we
can
accept
some,
are
going
to
require
a
little
further
work
with
achd
in
the
city
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
widths
that
meet
everybody's
needs.
AG
For
example,
Boise
fire
ladder
trucks
have
a
turning
radius
that
doesn't
quite
fit
and
that's
why
we
use
the
wider
streets
than
meets
achg's
policy
and
that
has
been
approved
in
Prior
similar
locations
where
those
ladder
trucks
have
been
needed
to
serve
multi-family
buildings
and
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
continue
to
work
with
achd
and
City
staff
to
make
sure
we
find
that
right,
size
and
alignment
to
address
everyone's
concerns
and
we're
confident.
We've
got
the
space
and
flexibility
within
the
site
to
do
that.
AG
The
property
is
located
within
the
central
bench
planning
area
and
in
this
area
the
plan
is
identified,
a
need
for
green
space
and
Parks,
creating
connected
paths
to
downtown
and
diversifying
housing
seasons
on
the
bench
will
meet.
These
needs
with
new
parks,
multi-use,
Pathways
and
a
variety
of
denser
housing
types.
AG
This
the
the
proposed
R3
zoning
and
the
proposed
use
is
also
consistent
with
the
surrounding
zoning
and
planned
and
existing
uses,
and
there
are
three
zones:
purpose
calls
for
higher
density,
residential
development
and
close
proximity
to
retail
employment
and
Transit
with
Vista
nearby.
We
have
those
uses
that
will
serve
this
site.
AG
The
proposed
development
doesn't
burden
city
services.
The
comp
plan
is
already
calling
for
and
planning
for,
an
intensity
of
use
and
development
on
this
site.
Water
and
Sewer
is
available.
The
site
is
infill,
making
it
an
efficient
utilization
of
existing
city
services
and
infrastructure
without
extending
or
adding
sprawl.
AG
I
think
it's
one
one
more
Point
here
on
the
plan
unit
development
we
with
the
conversion
to
public
streets.
We
also
do
ask
for
some
flexibility
in
setbacks.
As
was
noted
in
the
late
correspondence
Memo
from
staff,
the
staff
has
asked
for
the
buildings
to
come
up
close
to
the
streets
to
allow
a
front
setback
of
10
feet
rather
than
15
feet
and
staff
walks
through
an
elite
correspondence.
AG
Memo
justification
for
that
with
future
code
changes
and
also,
if
we
do
anything
along
Victory,
will
require
a
variance
to
address
that
and
we're
in
agreement
with
that.
But
we
would
also
point
out
that
tonight,
with
the
Pud
before
you,
you
can
also
on
all
interior
streets,
go
ahead
and
approve
that
10-foot
setback
instead
of
the
15
front,
setback
to
accommodate
the
design
that
staff
has
requested
with
the
buildings
pulled
up,
and
so
we
would
ask
for
that
approval.
AG
This
is
just
some
residential
imagery
to
show
the
quality
and
materiality.
Obviously,
this
will
go
through
design
review
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
feel
and
some
of
the
the
images
here
to
show
you
the
attractive
main
entry
addressing
that
mix
of
roof
features
that
Delaney
pointed
out.
AG
Some
of
the
end
cap,
architectural
features
and
materiality
changes,
and
these
are
the
imagery
this
is
some
imagery
to
support
the
clubhouse
amenity,
very
high
quality
materials
and
architecture,
crosswalk
engagement,
the
pool
in
the
courtyard
with
the
leasing
Center,
the
Club
room
and
the
fitness,
and
some
of
these
renderings
that
Delaney
showed
as
well
the
park.
This
is
a
pocket
pocket,
Park
View.
This
is
one
of
those
pink
tree
areas.
I
pointed
out
on
the
site
plan
with
the
seating,
the
papers,
the
Landscaping,
the
food
truck
activation
area
along
the
20
foot,
wide
pathway.
AG
Very
accessible
to
the
entire
community
and
that
program
ring
will
serve
more
than
our
residents,
creating
a
true
public
area
for
the
neighborhood
As.
You
move
west,
you
see
the
dog
park
there
and
then
a
public
Green
Space,
which
is
highlighted
here,
where
you
can
stop
to
eat
the
food
from
the
Food,
Truck
gather
and
play
and
commune,
and
the
community
garden
is
further
beyond
that.
So
with
that
we
asked,
we
appreciate
your
support
for
this,
if
you're,
if
you're
so
willing
and
would
stand
for
any
questions.
C
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Nia
Russell
I
am
the
vice
president
for
the
neighborhood
association.
I
reside
at
3825,
West
Lem
High
Street
Boise
83705
I
have
a
letter
to
read
to
you
tonight
from
the
Vista
neighborhood
association.
Regarding
our
thoughts
on
this
proposal.
P
The
Vista
neighborhood
association
has
met
with
the
developers
representative,
Brian
Morgan,
of
Morgan
Stonehill
regarding
the
development,
and
we
have
reviewed
the
site
plan
after
review
and
discussion
with
the
Vista
neighborhood
Association
members.
We
have
hesitations
and
concerns
regarding
the
lack
of
local
infrastructure
potential
for
increased
traffic
and
decreased
safety
when
it
comes
to
our
neighborhood.
P
Our
neighborhood
currently
lacks
the
infrastructure
to
support
existing
residents,
and
we
cannot
enthusiastically
support
any
new
large
development,
no
matter
how
exemptively
they
are
until
the
existing
issues
are
addressed.
Indeed,
in
meeting
with
Mr
Morgan,
we
generally
find
the
proposed
development
to
be
something
that
we
would
really
like
to
support
if
our
existing
problems
were
addressed.
First,
we
would
like
to
share
our
thoughts
regarding
the
development,
which
will
be
one
of
three
major
projects
in
our
neighborhood.
P
P
an
increase
of
three
thousand
plus
people
within
this
one.
Half
mile
block
is
immense:
can
our
current
infrastructure
handle
this
massive
increase
of
one-third
of
our
total
neighborhood
population,
especially
condensed
in
one
particular
area?
Our
neighborhood
has
suffered
with
brown
water
flowing
from
our
tops
for
years.
Neighbors
have
reported
running
their
water
for
several
minutes
at
a
time
only
to
fill
their
tubs,
washing
machines
and
sinks
with
mud,
tinted
water.
This
continuing
problem
has
been
brushed
off
due
to
old
pipes
and
Suez.
P
P
Our
neighborhood
also
has
a
railroad
crossing
on
Victory
Road,
but
as
it
stands,
does
not
appear
safe
and
with
any
increased
traffic
is
only
set
to
become
even
more
of
a
hazard.
We're
very
concerned
about
this.
This
Crossing
was
not
addressed
in
the
late
correspondence
report
from
achd,
and
the
VNA
is
once
again
asking
for
issues
like
this
to
not
be
labeled
over.
This
is
a
critical
piece
of
infrastructure
that
should
be
an
essential
part
of
any
conversation
involving
development
in
the
area.
P
This
particular
project
calls
for
358
bike
parking
spots,
but
where
are
people
going
to
be
biking
when
there's
no
bike
path
on
Vista
Avenue
and
the
Federal
Way
bike
light
is
not
acceptable.
Similarly,
there
is
no
safe
Crossing
for
bikes
or
pedestrians
across
the
Victory
Road
railroad
crossing
mentioned
previously.
P
Additionally,
we
have
heard
from
numerous
Neighbors
that
are
concerned
about
the
potential
for
increased
traffic
with
increased
traffic
comes
increased
traffic
accidents,
the
VNA
understands
the
development
is
bound
to
happen,
this
site
and
likewise
others
around
our
neighborhood,
but
we
wish
to
work
together
to
solve
problems,
traffic
problems.
However,
we
have
found
ourselves
only
left
out
of
that
conversation.
P
As
far
as
the
proposed
development
itself,
the
VNA
has
appreciated
the
open
conversations
with
the
developer
and
we
have
a
specially
valued
having
our
thoughts
heard
and
considered.
We
especially
liked
that
the
concept
includes
Green
Space,
a
Food,
Truck
Alley
and
a
public
path
along
the
canal.
Regarding
the
roadways,
the
VNA
would
support
public
roads
within
this
development
for
the
following
reasons:
first,
public
right-of-way
to
the
bike
path:
Green
Space,
Food,
Truck,
Alley,
Etc.
Second,
existing
public
roads
adjacent
to
the
projects
will
be
accessed
via
the
roadways
that
will
be
developed
on
this
lot.
P
Our
understanding
is
that
private
roads
cannot
provide
access
between
two
public
roadways.
Therefore,
roads
to
be
developed
should
be
public
with
public
roads.
Parking
cannot
be
striked
and
we
would
request
that
the
developer
review
more
parking
on
site
in
order
to
reach
the
required
parking
minimum
with
the
needed
infrastructure
improvements
addressed.
This
development
would
be
a
great
addition
to
our
neighborhood.
P
We
recognize
the
need
for
housing
and
we
know
that
the
visit
neighborhood
is
a
great
place
to
live
a
development
like
this,
in
which
we
have
had
a
voice
and
feel
genuinely
involved
with
the
developer
is
rare.
We
have
enjoyed
the
open
lines
of
communications
immeasurably.
We
only
ask
that
this
type
of
open
conversation
could
also
be
the
case
with
City,
County
and
utility
services,
so
that
we
could
have
our
infrastructure
concerns
validated
and
addressed
before
developments
are
approved.
We
request
that
you
consider
our
thoughts
when.
U
U
AG
U
There,
if
they're,
not
there,
then
the
question
is:
why
are
they
not
there?
Why?
Why
aren't
they
there
when
we
have
a,
we
have
a
street
that
connects
into
another
neighborhood
to
the
north
and
I'm,
also
thinking
the
school
bus,
that's
going
to
likely
come
from
Victory
and
drop
off
kids
to
the
north
side
and
those
kids
crossing
Victory
could
get
into
your
app
your
development.
So
the
question
I
guess
of
staff
and
the
applicant-
is
why
not.
AG
I'm
I'm
happy
to
start,
if
you
like
chairman
commissioner
Dan
Lee,
so
clearly,
our
our
design
planner
had
the
same
aesthetic
view
that
you
do
I.
AG
L
Mr,
chairman
Mr
Gillespie,
just
a
small
question,
related
to
the
testimony
from
the
neighborhood
association.
They
referenced,
a
railroad
cross
crossing
on
Victory,
Road
and
I
wondered
if
anybody,
the
city,
the
applicant
or
the
lady
from
the
neighborhood
association
can
show
me
or
tell
me
on
a
map
where
that
is,
and
in
particular
is
it.
AG
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
Gillespie
may
be
well
Delaney's
trying
to
pull
the
map
there.
It's
it's
not
aboutting
the
site.
It's
further
to
the
east.
E
L
B
B
H
My
question
is
that
it
sounded
like
well
what
the
Tas,
of
course
has
a
right
turn
was
warranted
at
Federal
and
victory
as
part
of
this
application,
but
there's
not
enough
right-of-way
there.
H
The
neighborhood
expressed
some
concerns
and
it's
an
ongoing
pathway
concern
for
the
city
to
get
bikes
across
Federal
at
Malad
in
particular
Malin
or.
However,
how
are
we
supposed
to
say
it.
H
Right
and
from
here
so,
is
that
something
that's
that
the
city
thought
about
in
conditioning
this
application.
AM
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
Commission
in
looking
at
the
tis,
it
did
state
that
all
intersections
and
Road
segments
would
operate
within
the
levels
of
service
that
are
appropriate,
deemed
by
achd
similar
to
other
projects.
This
evening,
the
Nexus
to
require
that
far
of
off-site
improvements
was
not.
We
did
not
feel
as
warranted
with
the
project
being
that
it's
not
adjacent
to
the
site
and
that
it's
further
down
the
road.
H
Mr
chair
that
I'm
confused
then
so,
but
the
achd
report
says
that
a
right
turn
lane
is
warranted
at
Victory
and
federal
because
of
this
project.
I'm
confused
Mr.
AM
Chairman
members
of
the
commission,
they
did
acknowledge
that
the
right
turn
lane
would
be
warranted,
but
that
there
isn't
there
isn't
room
for
that
Improvement.
So
we
would
rely
on
achd
to
make
that
call
as
far
as
off-site
mitigation
requirements
but
based
on
their
comment,
letter
I,
would
say
there
isn't
a
viable
way
to
get
that
Improvement
in
at
this
time.
H
AM
AG
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Moody,
if
I
might
add
to
your
comments
there
too,
that
it
was
within
the
study
scope
as,
as
you
noted,
but
and
as
Delaney
explained,
we
did
meet
the
overall
level
of
service
for
the
intersection.
It
was
a
particular
queuing
that
triggered
that
comment
in
the
in
the
in
the
analysis
about
whether
it
would
be
warranted
there,
but
we're
below
the
the
10.
AG
K
To
change
topics
on
on-site,
so
achg
staff
report
said
that
if
these
just
so
because
there
was
a
lot
of
information
that
came
in
pretty
quickly,
if
these
roads
are
going
to
be
public
drives,
they
need
to
get
wider.
Basically
and
then
the
staff's
recommendation
was
to
reduce
the
setbacks
internally.
AM
Is
that
is
that
correct,
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Moore?
That
is
correct,
that
the
applicant
would
have
to
build
the
public
Street
to
the
achd
section
standard,
with
the
width
of
the
current
dedicated
right
away.
There
is
room
within
that
dedicated
right
away
on
their
plot
to
meet
the
achd
public
road
standards.
The
request
for
staff
to
bring
the
buildings
closer
to
the
street
is
based
on
that
right-of-way,
where
that
line
is
so,
there
would
be
adequate
room
kind
of
to
play,
Within
existing
site
footprint
to
accommodate
both
the
roads
and
the
building
footprints.
AM
AA
AG
Truck
impact
of
the
turning
radius
that
we'll
just
need
to
work
through
so
kind
of
goes
both
directions.
But,
as
Delaney
said,
there's
enough
room
to
work
with
there
that
we
feel
like
we'll
be
able
to
resolve
that.
D
C
AG
H
Mr
chair
commissioner
Moody
last
last
question
so
for
staff,
the
parks
and
recs
recommended
a
10-foot
multi-use
path,
Southbound
off
of
Victory
to
the
new
20-foot
New
York
path,
just
to
confirm
the
draft
EA
wasn't
in
our
packet
I,
don't
think
so.
Just
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
that's
the
plan.
AM
Mr
chair
commissioner
Mooney.
That
was
a
clerical
error
for
the
D.A
to
not
show
there.
But
yes,
I
did
include
an
excerpt
of
the
D.A
I,
appoint
to
item
4D,
which
does
contemplate
and
call
out
that
10
foot
wide
connection
multi-use
along
the
western
boundary
connecting
to
Victory
and
then
connecting
to
the
12
foot
wide
multi-use
path.
On
part
of
me,
the
southern
boundary.
L
L
So
back
to
my
friend
on
the
left's
questions
about
crosswalks,
it
would
be
nice
if
we
could
give
the
neighborhood
access
to
to
that
which
means
finding
a
way
for
those
folks
to
the
north
to
get
across
victory.
So
is
so
the
your
position
or
so
first
of
all.
Does
the
city
agree
that
if
we
could
get
crosswalks
say
a
line
with
South
Helen
Avenue
running
in
you
know
across
the
street
there
that
that
would
be
a
desirable
outcome
to
access
all
of
these
great
new
amenities.
L
Miss
Nelson:
what's
your
sense
of
our
ability
to
condition
that
and
then
to
ask
achd
to
do
that
and
ask
for
you
guys
to
help
fund
that
signalized
or
you
know
whatever
kind
of
Crossing
there
is,
is
the
right
answer,
because
I
really
want
access
to
the
site
too
yeah.
AG
But
so
we
think
that
we'll
get
great
access
to
the
site,
at
least
from
our
side
of
Victory.
So
you
know
I
know,
that's
not
your
point
right,
but
every
we
are
improving
the
connectivity
that
will
serve
everyone
that
can
easily
come
down
the
bike
path
and
through
our
roads
and
that's
there's
a
lot
of
connectivity.
That's
been
added
there.
What's
a
cross.
Victory
is
a
little
bit
out
of
our
control.
It's
not
very
improved
over
there
as
it
is
now.
AG
Perhaps
it
will
be
more
in
the
future
and
it's
or
you
know
achg
as
well
as
I
do
hard
to
get
that
kind
of
access.
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
that's
feasible
to
have
them
approve
that
kind
of
Crossing
there.
AG
B
U
That's
what
this
is.
This
is
the
this
is
the
standing
lock.
You
know
it
well
right
that
land
use
Authority
is
given
to
Transportation
decisions,
in
this
case
a
crosswalk
on
Victory.
We
are
in
our
right
to
make
that
a
condition
of
approval,
as
according
to
the
Idaho
state,
supreme
law
and
support
of
Lupa,
citing
Lupa.
AG
Chairman
commissioner
Danley,
but
we
cannot
force
achd
to
approve
it.
It
is
their
Road
and
that's
where
we
can
be
caught
in
the
in
the
crosshairs.
There.
B
C
AM
Mr,
chair
I,
believe
the
condition
we've
included
in
the
late
correspondence
does
kind
of
catch
all
those
the
setback
issue
that
we
were
concerned
with
with
bringing
the
buildings
towards
the
front.
We
do
condition
that
they
comply
with
achd
in
the
original
set
of
conditions.
So,
from
my
perspective,
I,
don't
see
a
need
to
amend
or
address
any
current
conditions
unless
there's
something
you'd
like
to
add.
Okay,.
C
M
D
M
Name
is
Mary
Steiner
and
I
live
at
3292,
South
Capistrano,
Avenue,
Boise
83705.,
my
home
is
a
little
bit
set
back
from
from
this
lovely
development,
but
to
get
out
of
my
home
I
do
have
to
access
West,
Victory,
and
so
actually
my
my
biggest
concern
and,
as
you
say,
maybe
this
development
company
can't
control
that,
but
West
Victory
is
a
very,
very
small,
two-lane
road.
M
There's,
there's
no
continuous
sidewalks
or
curbage,
now
I'm
sure
they'll
put
a
beautiful
sidewalk
in
front
of
theirs
and
then
the
other
one
is
we've
mentioned
about
the
railroad
crossing
and
no,
it
is
not
next
to
this
development,
but
those
cars
are
not
all
going
to
go
out
to
Vista
they're
going
to
come
down.
West
Victory
they're,
going
to
go
over
this
very
narrow,
railroad
crossing
where
two
cars
can
can
barely
get.
So
if
someone
is
walking
or
if
someone
is
bicycling,
all
three
of
them
cannot
cross.
M
This
cannot
there's
no
space
and
it's
kind
of
steep,
and
so
my
concern
would
be
with
this
high
density
amount
of
people
going
back
and
forth.
It's
going
to
be
dangerous
a
couple
of
winners
ago
with
the
snow.
It
was
very
very
slick
and
people
were
sliding
off
of
it.
So
my
point
is
the
the
infrastructure
for
a
beautiful
development
like
that
I,
don't
think
it's
there
and
I
think
it
would
be
irresponsible
to
approve
it
if
the
cars
can't
come
and
go
and
get
to
where
they
need
to
be.
AJ
Yeah,
my
name
is
Gary
Campbell
I
live
at
2340,
West
Victory.
Actually,
the
city
changed
the
address.
It's
299,
South
Helen,
so
I
live
right
on
the
corner
of
Helen
in
Victory
right.
AJ
What
do
you
want
to
put
a
crosswalk,
which
is
probably
a
good
idea,
but
that
road
is
awful
and
narrow
and
I've
lived
there
for
over
20
years
the
traffic
is
just
increased
and
increased
and
increased,
and
it's
hard
to
get
out
on
the
Vista
it's
hard
to
get
out
on
the
Federal
Way
and,
like
she
said,
the
little
narrow
road
up
there
on
the
railroad
tracks.
AJ
I,
don't
think
that
their
traffic
study
is
correct,
I
think
they
need
to
revisit
it.
There's
an
awful
lot
of
traffic
going
awful
fast
up
and
down
Victory.
It's
a
two-lane
road,
there's
not
enough
room
for
that
many
more
houses
or
apartments
that
that's
it
just
get
home
all.
S
From
the
beginning,
it
was
never
about
developments,
it
was
about
the
infrastructure.
The
traffic
Victory
Road
is
a
straight
away.
It's
basically
a
racetrack
everybody
that
lives
along.
It
complains
about
the
speed
and,
as
this
development
will
double
the
traffic
the
daily
trips
for
this
development
show
2652,
which
basically
doubles
the
current
daily
trips.
S
S
It
does
not
address
left
turns
at
Victory
or
at
Victory
on
the
Federal,
Way
or
malab
on
the
Federal
Way.
It
doesn't
talk
about
those
things
at
all.
The
crossing
at
Victory
was
designed
in
the
60s.
It
hasn't
been
approved.
Since
then,
it
was
when
there
was
nobody
that
lived
there.
It's
an
old
country,
style,
railroad
crossing,
it's
steep,
it's
narrow
has
no
room
for
shoulders
to
even
walk
you.
S
S
Now
as
we
double
traffic,
we're
going
to
double
accidents,
accidents
at
Vista
and
Federal
Way
were
18
over
five
years.
As
we
build
out
the
next
development.
That's
going
to
be
coming
here
in
another
month,
it's
going
to
double
traffic
again,
so
we
are
going
from
2500
trips
a
day
to
over
10
000.
and
the
neighborhood.
The
residents
have
zero,
absolutely
zero
plan
on
what
is
going
to
happen
to
infrastructure
in
2016.
This
property
was
under
contract
to
be
developed
by
Conger.
That
deal
fell
apart.
S
So
over
six
years
ago,
I
started
to
try
to
address,
raise
Flags,
to
talk
about
the
traffic
issues
at
The
Crossings
and
the
left
turn
of
the
lad.
We
have
a
great
Federal
Way
bike
path,
but
we
have
no
safe
way
to
get
across
it
across
Federal,
Way,
350
plus
bike
stalls.
How
do
you
get
to
the
bike
path?
S
You
run
across
it
in
front
of
40
mile
an
hour.
Traffic
same
thing
happened
at
the
apartment
complex
in
front
of
the
post
office.
They
have
90
Bike
Path
Bike
Barn.
That
was
condition
of
the
approval,
but
nobody
put
a
crosswalk
in
at
some
point
in
time.
If
we're
going
to
densify
this
city
and
build
these
developments
out,
the
residents
have
to
expect
and
demand
safety
and
infrastructure.
S
That's
why
we're
densifying,
but
if
we
can't
get
a
commitment
from
the
city,
a
plan
and
an
idea
on
projects
of
this
size
and
this
magnitude,
why
should
we
support
any
kind
of
densification
with
the
zoning
code?
Rewrite
makes
a
zero
sense
over
1200
units
over
3
000
people
from
2500
to
10
000
trips
a
day,
and
nobody
has
a
plan
just
build
it
and
deal
with
it.
S
B
I
You
Pamela
Zimmerman,
live
at
the
same
address
as
Gary
Campbell
I
wish
you
folks
could
come
and
drive
down
Victory.
If
you
come
from
Vista,
you
short
little
block
on
Canal
Street,
you
turn
onto
Victory.
It
makes
a
big
turn
and
that's
where
they
pick
up
speed.
I
I
I
I
just
don't
know
how
we
can
put
that
many
people
that
are
supposed
to
get
out
on
a
two-lane
road
and
there's
no
room.
They
don't
want
to
give
up
their
room
to
build
on.
I
I
B
C
X
Hello,
my
name's
Hunter
Underwood
I
work
at
right.
I
live
at
3144,
South,
Virginia
Ave,
just
down
the
street
from
this
development
I
take
Victory
every
day
into
work.
I'll,
try
not
to
let
my
thoughts
ramble
too
much.
X
One
thing
I'd
like
to
add
to
the
traffic
that
I
don't
think's
been
mentioned.
Yet
is
that
light
at
the
corner
of
canal
and
Vista,
especially
during
traffic
hour,
on
the
way
into
work?
That
is
already
backed
up
to
the
point
that
turning
onto
Canal
from
Victory
is
sometimes
entirely
blocked
by
cars
already
waiting
at
the
stoplight
and
I
I?
Don't
understand
how
you
would
add
2652
more
trips
per
day
into
that
on
a
two-lane
road
that
I
mean
currently
isn't
even
painted
to
divide
the
two
lanes.
So
that's
that's!
X
Really
all
I
kind
of
had
to
contribute
here.
I
did
want
to
thank
Mia
Russell
for
kind
of
representing
our
community
here
on
the
bench
when
there's
a
pretty
monstrous
development
going
in
and
all
of
us
are
kind
of
a
little
jittered
about
it.
So
yeah,
that's
all
I
had
thank
you
for
the
time.
C
Okay
up
next
Connor
Johnson.
AN
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Connor
Johnson
I
live
at
1515,
West,
Victory,
Road,
so
I'm
right
on
Victory
and
this
community,
the
the
developers
have
talked
about
how
they
wanted
to
support
the
goals
of
the
neighborhood
and
I.
Think
that
everybody
in
our
neighborhood
has
been
expressing
a
very
similar
idea,
which
is
that
we
do
not
have
the
infrastructure
to
safely
and
properly
implement
this
enormous
Housing
Development
the
train
stopped.
While
it's
a
half
mile
away
from
the
development
site
is
a
major
issue.
AN
It's
one
of
the
primary
ways
that
people
access,
Victory,
Road
people
you
go
through
that
blow
through
that,
stop
sign
and
go
right
down
that
straight
away
and
they
go
back
to
to
Vista.
There
is
I
mean
community
members
have
already
mentioned
that
there
is
no
sidewalk.
There
is
no
way
for
people
to
get
across.
People
have
to
stop
the
car,
I
mean
I've,
had
to
stop
and
wait
for
people
to
walk
across
so
that
I
can
pass
them
safely.
AN
This
is
a
368
multi-family
I
mean
that
number
assessment
that
they're,
estimating
and
they're
providing
for
463
parking
spots.
It
is
quoted
that
that
is
1.29
parking
spaces
for
each
unit.
So
let's
say
that
me
and
my
girlfriend
want
to
move
in
I
can
not
feasibly
bring
my
car
and
her
car
because
I
do
not
have
0.29
of
a
car.
AN
Victory
Road
is
a
busy
road.
Semis
come
down.
Our
residential
street
I've,
seen
them
parked
at
the
corner
towards
Canal
I've
seen
them
come
through,
and
the
concerns
about
safety
for
Speed
should
not
go
unheard.
I
mean
absolutely
there.
AN
It's
it's
commonplace
to
see
people
going
40
on
our
road,
but
I've
seen
multiple
instances
where
there
are
people
using
this
as
a
race
track
going
60
and
up
my
window
for
my
room
faces
right
outside
the
Victory
Road
and
I've
seen
it
I've
seen
it
more
times
than
I
can
count
more
times
than
I
care
to
recall,
the
development
has
been
urged
to
move
closer
to
the
streets
and
I
believe
it
was
from
15
feet
to
10
feet,
cutting
off
even
more
space
on
this
already
enormously
busy
road.
AN
I
think
that
if
we
go
back
to
this,
this
is
adverse
to
the
interests
of
the
community
members
who
live
here.
This
is
not
going
to
be
good
for
us.
This
is
not
going
to
be
good
for
our
community.
It's
not
going
to
be
good
for
this
road
there.
We
are
already
at
capacity
as
was
already
discussed
earlier
in
this
seminar,
so
I
just
want
to
encourage
this
committee
to
think
about
that
before
we
add
a
third
more
of
this
community.
Thank
you.
C
It,
oh
sorry,
apologize
Forest
long
is
online.
C
Yeah
no
I
hear
you
I,
hear
you
okay,
sorry,
Mr
long.
We
can't
seem
to
hear
you
I
think
we
have
to
move
on
we'll
see
if
maybe
you
and
Crystal
can't
work
out
some
tech
here,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
move
on
I
think
to
rebuttal,
buy
the
applicant
because
that
wraps
up
our
testimony
component
here
tonight
on
this
item.
C
E
P
AG
Chairman
members
of
the
commission,
so
maybe
we'll
start
with
traffic,
because
obviously
that's
a
big
concern
for
the
neighbors
and
understandably
when
their
neighborhood
is
seeing
a
new
infill
development
and
that's
sort
of
the
nature
of
infill
coming
in,
as
you
already
have
existing
neighbors
that
are
experiencing
their
conditions
around
the
neighborhood,
and
then
they
you're
that
you're
the
last
in,
and
so
this
is
one
of
the
last
infill
Parcels
in
this
area.
It
is
planned
for
intensive
development.
AG
It
calls
for
mixed
use
that
could
have
a
range
of
traffic
impacts
and
trip
distribution
coming
out
of
this
property.
That
is
much
higher
than
our
just
under
20
units
per
acre
of
this
limited
residential
development.
The
city
plans
call
for
higher
intensity
development,
higher
density
in
this
area
to
be
next
to
transit,
to
be
in
this
Corridor
to
be
located
within
mixed
use,
and
so
the
city
has
planned
for
this
area
to
have
this
level
of
development.
AG
Here,
the
and
and
yet
it
is
important
to
study
what's
going
on
in
the
area
and
that's
why
a
traffic
study
was
done.
It
was
scoped
based
on
Compass
and
achd
and
itd
requirements
and
input.
There
actually
was
I
know
that
Dave
congas
commented
about
the
the
Milad
and
in
Federal
Way
I
believe
he
said,
wasn't
studied.
It
was
I
think
that
wasn't
listed
in
the
index,
though
I
think
it
was
correct
to
point
that
out,
but
it
was
added
by
achd,
and
so
that
was
studied.
AG
So
the
scope
was
pretty
broad
for
a
relatively
limited
set
of
trips
coming
out
of
here.
We
only
have
16
percent
of
our
trips
going
East
toward
the
the
railroad
tracks
that
have
been
discussed
and
out
towards
Federal
Way,
and
we
will
be
improving
Victory
Road,
so
we
will
be
adding
additional
width.
AG
As
we
add
you
know,
half
of
that
Improvement
of
the
street
with
we
will
be
adding
the
bike
lane
we'll
be
adding
sidewalks,
and
so
the
development
will
be
improving.
The
conditions
that
the
neighborhood
is
currently
facing
will
also
be
hopefully
diverting
more
trips
out
of
their
cars.
That's
the
whole
point
of
putting
dense
development
next
to
Transit
right
is
to
encourage
more
infill
development,
where
people
can
use
that
transit
to
support
that
Transit.
We'll
have
the
pathways
that
are
internal
to
the
site.
AG
That
again
will
support
non-vehicular
transportation
in
the
area,
and
we
hope
that,
with
this
type
of
development
and
the
other
developments
planned
in
the
area
that
we
can
get,
some
more
people
out
of
their
cars
will
provide
amenities
that
will
hopefully
attract
some
neighbors
to
the
site
that
that
will
be
pedestrian
oriented
as
well.
AG
We
appreciate
the
neighborhood
association's
comments
and
especially
since
their
comments
are
geared
towards
infrastructure
concerns
generally
in
the
area,
but
their
support
for
this
particular
project
if
development
is
going
to
happen,
is
appreciated
and
they've
been
good
to
work
with
for
the
for
the
applicant.
So
so
with
that
we'd
ask
for
your
support
the
the
project.
That's
before
you
is
consistent
with
city
code
fulfills.
AG
The
goals
of
your
comprehensive
plan
is
consistent
with
your
future
land
use
map,
and
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
staff
support
of
this
and
appreciate
all
of
the
planning
input
that
has
added
to
the
development
in
many
positive
ways,
and
so
all
of
their
input
has
been
Incorporated
and
reflected
in
the
plan
before
you.
So
we
would
ask
your
approval
of
the
Pud
with
support
of
the
reduced
setback.
Oh
and
I
do
want
to
address
that
briefly,
because
the
last
commenter
had
some
points
about
that
on
Victory
and
I.
Do
want
to
address
that.
AG
So
we
will
be,
of
course,
still
widening
Victory
Road,
as
required
for
the
full
build
out
there.
We
will
still
be
providing
all
of
the
required
right-of-way
along
Victory,
so
bringing
the
buildings
close
to
the
street,
as
it
has
been
asked
by
the
planning
department,
has
no
impact
on
the
width,
the
functionality,
the
safety
or
the
streetscape
improvements
along
Victory
Road.
AG
You
will
still
get
the
detached
sidewalk,
you
will
still
get
the
parkway
strip
and
and
in
addition
to
all
of
that
functionality
and
safety
you'll
get
on
Victory
Road
I
would
suggest
that
that
design
that
is
recommended
by
and
asked
for
by
the
planning
department
that
we
agree
with
will
help
limit
the
speeding
that's
going
on
there.
When
you
add
development.
This
is
a
vacant
parcel
right
there,
people
speed
by
because
there
is
nothing
stopping
them
in
this
location.
AG
When
you
have
cars
churning
out
in
and
out
to
this
main
entry
with
that
Boulevard
entrance,
you
are
going
to
slow
traffic
in
this
area,
and
that
is
just
what
happens.
But
buildings
coming
up
close
to
the
street
also
create
that
feeling
of
slowing
down
traffic
as
well.
So
we
hope
all
of
that
helps
the
neighbors
and
we
ask
for
your
approval
of
the
Pud
with
that
10-foot
setback.
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thanks
Deb,
okay,.
C
AO
Sorry
about
that
little
snap
view
earlier,
let
me
just
forced
along
I,
live
at
2594
Kerr
place.
I'll.
Keep
this
brief.
AO
I
just
want
to
Echo
the
what
the
representative
said
from
the
the
VNA
there's
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
area
and
the
the
underlying
thing
being
that
infrastructure
is
really
not
ready
to
to
handle
such
a
massive
influx
of
people,
particularly
with
with
Victory
like
I
mean
that's
just
a
really
dangerous
road
I
run
a
lot
and
because
I
live
right
off
Malad
I
can't
take
that
all
the
way
over
to
Federal
and
so
I
have
to
get
onto
Victory
to
take
that
over
and
it's
already
like
everybody's
saying
you
know,
people
are
just
flying
down
that
road
with
Reckless
abandon
and
it
kind
of
crescendos
once
once
you
get
to
that
that
the
the
railroad
down
at
the
end
of
the
street,
where
there
is
there's
a
stop
sign
people
ignore
it
and
as
a
runner
as
a
biker
like
going
up
that
little
Hill
just
really
doesn't
feel
safe.
AO
It's
it's
not!
There's
no
designated
bike
lane,
there's
no
walking
path
going
up
and
over
it
Victory.
Just
really
is
is
not
in
a
good
place
to
to
add
such
a
good
or
such
a
large
influx
of
people.
It
really
will
just
exacerbate
a
lot
of
problems
in
that
area.
C
C
Let
the
record
show
thank
you,
Milton
another
show.
The
applicant
is
weighed
any
more
rebuttal
time
here
tonight.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
item
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision
just
a
reminder,
we're
recommending
on
the
rezone
and
subdivision
and
looking
for
emotion
on
the
beauty,
and
we
can
do
them
all
at
once,
so
we
can
do
them
separately
or,
however,
you
all
want
to
handle
it.
L
I'll
do
them
all
at
once:
I
move
that
we
recommend
approval
of
CER,
22-14
SUV
22-46
and
that
we
approve
PUD
22-46
for
the
reason
stated
in
the
staff
report
and
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
with
the
only
modification
being
the
10
foot
issue,
which
I
set
back
step
back,
as
was
discussed.
C
E
L
Yeah
Mr
chairman,
first
of
all,
the
usual
kudos
to
everybody
for
staying
for
a
long
night
for
the
applicant
for
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
for
Mr,
Kangas
I
always
derive
value
from
what
you
have
to
say.
Thank
you
for
being
here
for
the
Vista
folks.
L
You
know
the
Crux
of
the
issue
for
me
comes
down
to
the
traffic
issues
and,
while
I
understand
that
narrative
or
in
the
anecdotal
nature
of
the
traffic
arguments
against
the
development,
the
simple
fact
is
Page.
Four
of
the
achd
staff
report
simply
says.
L
B
K
And
I'm
in
support
of
the
motion.
Obviously
you
one
thing
and
now
you
obviously
we're
recommending
approval
for
the
rezone
and
the
subdivision.
So
there
is
some
time
to
maybe
talk
to
achd
about
a
crosswalk
over
near
Helen.
K
So
it
would
be
exciting
if
you
were
able
to
to
kind
of
open
up
that
conversation
again.
It's
not
successful.
K
Otherwise,
yeah,
that's
not
going
to
result
in
the
ideal
condition
Victory
right
now,
but
it
is
one
piece
of
in
the
right
direction,
so
it
and
while
it's
not
the
entire
length
of
Victory
and
it
doesn't
handle
the
railroad,
it
does
handle
one
small
section
and
you
know,
as
we
kind
of
March
down
it's
another
small
section,
another
small
section,
all
of
a
sudden
Victory
starts
to
get
a
little
bit
better
and
I.
K
H
Nothing
Mr
chair,
commissioner
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
as
well
and
regarding
the
comments
of
transportation,
achd
and
commissioner
Gillespie's
comments,
I
guess
I
would
I
would
encourage
our
staff
to
be
more
aggressive
with
achd
in
the
future.
H
You
hate
to
put
the
applicant
between
the
two
agencies
with
in
our
unique
governmental
setup,
but
I
think
it
takes
the
city
staff,
saying
hey.
We
really
think
it's
appropriate
to
put
a
cross
and
get
Helen,
or
we
really
think
it's
appropriate
to
put
a
Crossing
in
Malad
to
get
all
these
386
bikes
across
the
federal
Bikeway,
but
it
takes
that
staff
to
staff
interaction
and
that's
what
City
attorney
told
us
months
ago
saying
that's
what
the
kmstk
said,
which
is
it
takes
close
staff,
coordination
and
I.
Think
that's.
B
U
I
will
be
supporting
the
rezone
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
preliminary
plot.
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
conditional
use
permit.
E
U
Nature
conditional
use
permit
requires
us
to
now
analyze
mitigation,
I
think
in
this
instance,
the
mitigation
is
necessary,
while
I
completely
agree
that
we
of
course
have
achd
and
we
understand
the
role
that
they
play.
We
also
have
a
transportation
plan,
Transportation
planners
comp
plans,
Transportation
plans
on
State,
Street
and
others
that
get
at
this
issue
add
nauseam,
and
we
do
have
a
responsibility
as
per
Lupa
and
kmst,
to
weigh
in
when
necessary
and
in
this
case,
I
think
it's
absolutely
necessary
and
I'll
explain
why.
U
First
of
all,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
it'll
it's
it's
understood
what
the
traffic
study
says
and
what
it
doesn't
say
what
it
does
say,
and
this
is
right
on
the
staff
report
from
achd
on
the
top
of
page
five,
that
traffic
counts
on
Victory,
which
were
taken
in
set
in
in
February
of
this
year
average
about
2500
a
day.
A
two-lane
road
at
capacity
is
about
8
000
a
day.
So
truthfully
there
is
capacity
on
this
roadway.
That's
that's
flat
out
math.
U
The
other
part
of
this
I
want
to
make
sure
to
understand
is
that
when
it
says
that
this
General
this
this
applications
to
generate
2600
trips
per
day,
that
does
not
mean
they're
all
going
to
be
on
Victory.
That
means
that
they
will
be
dispersed
throughout
the
system.
Yes,
they
will
begin
and
end
off
of
victory
in
this
case,
but
they
are
system-wide.
Here's
what
I
think
is
going
to
happen.
U
However,
this
is
a
very
straight
Street
and,
ironically
enough,
when
you're
widening
when
you're
required
to
widen
it,
it
will
actually
likely
prompt
faster
travel
speed
because
of
the
additional
width.
So
what
I
see
and
what
we
talked
about
in
in
the
renderings
that
were
provided
and
what
I
think
is
absolutely
necessary-
is
not
only
a
crosswalk,
the
intersection,
the
the
main
one
we're
talking
about
in
this
case,
how
and
I
think
two
more
in
your
future.
U
Development
really
ought
to
have
raised
intersections
three
consecutive
raise
intersections
with
rapid
flash
beacons,
Crossing
those
three
that's
the
type
of
traffic
calming
that's
going
to
be
necessary
to
mitigate,
which
is
again
conditional
use
permit
what
we're
required
to
do
to
slow.
The
traffic
down
to
a
more
appropriate
neighborhood
level
and
allow
people
to
cross
the
street
in
a
safer
way
coming
around
that
curve.
Etc.
This
traffic
study
has
300
plus
Pages,
not
a
mention
on
how
many
pedestrians
are
going
to
be
generated,
not
one
right.
U
It's
all
about
how
many
cars
at
20
intersections
over
and
so
on,
and
so
forth
as
it's
typical.
Why?
Because
that's
what's
required
of
achd,
so
what
we
don't
know
again
is
because
they
don't
require
it.
How
many
people
are
going
to
walk
across
the
street?
We
know
that's
going
to
happen
and
what's
going
to
happen,
if
we
don't
mitigate
it,
is
it's
going
to
be
on
the
burden's
going
to
be
on
The
Pedestrian
to
prove
that
we
need
to
have
a
flasher
later
on?
That's
exactly
what
happens
all
over
the
city!
U
C
You,
commissioner,
Danley
any
other
comments:
okay,
very
good,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
roll.
Then
we
have
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
car,
2214
and
SUV
2246,
and
a
motion
to
approve
PUD
22-46.
C
The
motion
was
made
by
commissioner
Gillespie.
The
second
was
by
commissioner
Moore.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
B
E
D
H
C
B
W
W
The
subject
property
is
located
at
2915
West,
half
Street
within
an
r1c
Zone
there's
currently
one
single-family
home
on
the
lot,
with
access
taken
from
Taft
Street,
approximately
15
55
feet,
east
of
the
intersection
of
Taft
and
30th.
The
RT
bus
route
10
runs
along
Taft
and
connects
to
Hill
Road,
a
residential
collector
less
than
800
feet
to
the
east.
There
are
currently
four
mature
trees
with
crucial
root
zones
within
the
public
right-of-way,
which
is
currently
unimproved.
W
There's
existing
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk
along
28th,
and
slightly
onto
Taft
Street,
approximately
460
feet
to
the
east
of
the
subject:
property.
The
rest
of
the
neighborhood
has
minimal
Street
improvements
with
some
along
Neff
Street
and
Edgemoor
Lane
that
have
recently
developed
as
infill
projects.
W
The
subject
property
was
recently
granted
in
an
administrative
approval
for
a
minorland
division
to
create
two
buildable
parcels
and
included
a
standard
condition
to
install
curb
Gutter
and
sidewalk.
The
applicant
cites
the
narrow
width
of
Taft
Street,
the
desire
to
retain
healthy
and
mature
trees
and
the
existing
infrastructure
being
inadequate
to
accept
additional
storm
flow
that
is
generated
by
the
construction
as
barriers
to
installing
the
required
Street
improvements.
W
Different
design
techniques
were
considered
for
this
proposal
But.
Ultimately,
this
waiver
request
assumes
that
the
installation
of
sidewalk
would
cause
significant
damage
to
the
tree's
root
system
that
would
result
in
the
tree's
Health
to
decline
and
that
the
installation
of
carbon
gutter
would
exceed
the
existing
drainage
system's
capacity
to
accept
additional
storm
flows.
This
would
require
subsurface
drainage
facilities
to
be
built
on
site
which
may
be
difficult
to
accomplish.
W
W
AE
AE
I
will
make
this
quick.
You
can
just
go
to
the
first
or
second
slide
or
I.
Have
a
I
have
that
some
basic
information
that
Matt
just
covered
the
house
to
the
West
is
staying.
This
was
essentially
a
double
lot.
We're
just
splitting
the
side
guard
yard
off
into
its
own
lot.
AE
A
little
bit
of
context.
I
will
be
building
a
home
for
my
family
on
the
lot
at
2913
West
Taft
Street.
We
currently
live
in
a
little
edu.
A
few
blocks
away
that,
as
you
can
guess,
is
getting
much
too
small
for
for
us.
AE
So
there
are
a
few
reasons:
I'm
asking
for
the
waiver
to
be
upheld,
or
the
first
would
be
the
greenhouse,
that's
in
the
bag
that
would
need
to
be
removed.
It's
a
very
substantial
Greenhouse
with
concrete
foundation,
drainage,
gas
into
it
and
I
was
told
it
was
about
the
previous
owner
spent
about
30
000
on
it.
The
property
line,
it's
better
pictures
in
the
staff
report,
but
the
property
line
does
run
directly
to
the
center
of
that
tree.
AE
So
if
you
extend
that
down
it's
about
seven
feet
from
the
West
Wall,
you
see
there
of
the
house
because
of
these
Street,
the
required
Street
section
with
that
achd
would
require
it's
my
estimation
that
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
would
be
about
seven
feet
from
that
home
on
30th
Street.
Now.
AE
And
then
I
think
the
next
one,
as
you
can
see,
the
property
line
just
goes
directly
right
down
these
two
mature
trees.
We
do
have
some
correspondence
from
Community,
forestry
and
email
in
the
packet
that
states
these
trees
are
indeed
healthy
and
they
would
indeed
need
to
be
removed
with
the
installation
of
the
required
Street
improvements,
now
I
kind
of
want
to
hone
in
on
on
hardship
foreign
for
you
to
make
a
decision
such
as
this
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
AE
But
when
you
start
adding
concrete
to
a
to
a
site
surface,
you
have
a
high
need
for
proper
drainage
solution.
AE
I
had
Bill
Gall
a
development
review
supervisor
down
at
achd
review
the
site
for
his
take
on
installing
the
required
Street
improvements
and
here
and
he
he
sent
an
email,
that's
also
in
the
in
the
staff
report.
But
the
line
right
here
is
what
stood
out
to
me
that
he
stated
that
this
system
includes
several
undersized
pipes,
Downstream
of
the
catch
Basin
and
cannot
accept
additional
storm
flows.
AE
He
went
on
to
say
that
we
would
need
to
install
on-site
drainage
and,
with
a
brief
conversation
with
an
engineer
that
would
be
by
way
of
a
very
large
seepage
bed
which,
as
you
can
guess,
is
extremely
expensive
and
with
high
water
tables
in
the
area
he's
estimating
around
around
eight
and
a
half
feet.
They're,
not
all
that
effective.
AE
I
guess
to
shorten
this
up,
I
kind
of
feel
like
we
have
our
cart
before
the
before
the
horse
here
and
the
infrastructure.
Just
the
storm
drain
infrastructure
is
just
not
there
to
support
to
prop
to
support
Street
improvements
and
to
have
them
be
properly
installed.
AE
We
are,
we
do
see
the
need
for
for
sidewalks
in
this
area,
but
the
main
thing
that
we're
seeing
is
the
need
for
all
the
street
improvements
that
would
be
Street,
widening,
curb
and
gutter.
C
L
W
Mr
chair
commissioners,
that
was
a
possibility
that
was
brought
up
as
far
as
the
feasibility
of
it
I'm,
not
sure
of
due
to
the
Street
grades.
That
was
mentioned
in
the
correspondence
with
achd,
but
I
digress.
L
Mr
chairman,
no
so
when
in
your
mad
in
your
opening
remarks,
you
you
talk
to
somebody
about
me
and
did
you
use
the
word
Meandering
or
could?
Could
you
just
do
that
part
again?
Yeah.
W
So
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission
through
correspondence
with
achg.
That
was
a
suggestion
given
as
far
as
finding
a
way
to
Meander.
Obviously
around
the
trees.
There
is
about
there's
a
a
clearance
where
a
five
foot
wide
sidewalk
could
be
constructed.
W
W
B
K
E
K
K
Record
of
survey
it
doesn't
show
kind
of
where
the
edge
of
the
pavement
is
and
all
that
good
stuff.
So
can
you
kind
of
walk
us
through
in
relation
to
maybe
the
property
line
where
those
the
sidewalks
might
be
going.
W
Members
of
the
commission,
the
width
of
the
unimproved
right-of-way
along
30th
Street,
is
18
feet
wide
and
that
would
be
18
feet
from
edge
of
pavement
to
property
line,
and
same
goes
for
Taft.
That
would
be
12
feet.
K
W
Members
of
the
commission,
the
exact
location
and
type
of
sidewalk,
whether
that
be
attached
or
detached,
is
not
considered
in
the
standard
condition
of
approval,
and
that
leaves
some
leeway
for
site-specific
conditions
like
this.
In
this
case,.
W
There's
no,
there
wasn't
a
specific
location
for
the
proposed
sidewalk
I
was
or
the
the
planning
team
was
intending
on,
leaving
the
exact
location
up
to
interpretation
of
the
commission.
K
Mr
chair,
so
so,
potentially,
if
it
was
a
five
foot
attached
sidewalk,
they
could
be
all
the
way
on
plan
west
of
30th
Street,
in
pretty
pretty
clear
of
of
that
that
one
big
tree
okay
and
then
so.
If
we
move
up
to
Taft
same
condition,
it
could
be
pretty
close
to
plan
North
and
it
would
just
be
conflicting
with
the
it
would
just
be
getting
kind
of
close
to
that.
One
tree.
E
B
U
Chairman
I'm
Mr
Daly
I
feel
like
a
knucklehead
asking
this
question,
but
I'm
looking
at
this
picture
and
I
don't
get
it
I,
don't
understand,
I'm,
looking
at
the
picture
of
30th,
Street,
I,
think
and
the
fence,
and
this
pink
I
think
it's
just
to
add
on
to
the
image
right.
So
is
it
my
interpretation
that
this
fence
is
way
over
the
property
line?
U
Okay,
that
makes
me
feel
not
as
dumb
and
the
tree
is
pretty
much
almost
on
or
close
to
the
property
line
and
the
greenhouse
was
also
built
at
least
a
portion
of
it
on
the
property
line.
So
then,
no
matter
what
it
seems
like
this
fence
is
going
to
be
pulled
out,
and
so
is
the
old
dryer
line
and
everything
else.
U
U
E
E
L
Just
to
process
check
like
I,
really
don't
want
to
cut
out
the
trees.
They'll
shock,
all
of
you
that
I
think
the
trees
are
kind
of
like
an
in
you
know
a
big
old
rock
or
a
crick
and
and
so
I
give
the
trees
some
street
cred
in
terms
of
the
hardship
designation
like
that.
But
I
also
want
the
sidewalk
to
go
in
I,
don't
really
care
so
much
about
the
curb
and
cutter.
L
So
I
feel
like
telling
the
applicant
in
the
city
and
the
forestry
person
to
go
out
figure
out
where
to
put
the
sidewalk
or
a
sidewalk.
That
is
the
best
we
can
do
while
preserving
the
treats
so
I
don't
know
if
we
should
defer
or
just
make
that
as
the
motion
and
then
these
folks
go
forth
and
do
their
thing
that,
but
that's
what
I
would
gotcha
do
because
I
think,
once
you
get
away
from
the
curb
and
gutter
which
requires
that
tight
tie
into
the
asphalt
that
hopefully,
we
can
save
these
trees
right.
K
E
L
These
trees
are,
you
know,
benefiting
from
the
water
flowing
off
the
street
and
just
pooling
in
that
little
Swale,
Toilet
Time,
so
so
that'd
be
my
preference
would
be
to
I
believe
would
Matt
and
be
done
with
it,
but
can
the
city
is
it?
Can
you
wrap
your
head
around
that
if
we
just
make
a
motion
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
and
go
figure
out
where
to
keep
the
trees
and
if
it
doesn't
work,
come
back.
C
C
I'm
gonna
call
for
Testimony.
Anybody
want
to
testify
neighbor
Association,
no
one's
here
so
Mr
tanuto.
Would
you
like
to
any
final
words
if
it's
like
we
moved
to
rebuttal?
Are
you
good?
Okay?
Let
the
record
show
we
have
no
one
in
attendance
for
testimony
and
the
applicant
has
waived
his
robot
all
time.
We're
gonna
bring
this
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision.
Sos,
22-14
I'll,
entertain
a
motion.
Mr
chairman
commissioner
Gillespie.
L
A
move
we
or
this
is
always
the
weird
part,
yeah
I,
move
that
we
in
part
Grant
the
waiver
to
SOS
12-14
and
not
require
curb
and
gutter.
We
do
require
a
sidewalk
and
we
ask
the
applicant
work
with
the
city
and
the
tree,
people
at
the
city
to
figure
out
where
to
put
it
in
order
to
preserve
the
trees.
Second,.
C
C
To
the
applicant,
thank
you
for
your
patience
tonight.
It's
been
a
long
night
thanks
for
hanging
around
and
getting
through
this
with
us.
B
C
Go
ahead
and
call
the
roll
again
a
motion
to
partially
approve
by
commissioner
Gillespie
and
the
second
by
commissioner
finprock.