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October 11, 2021
A
There
we
go.
Okay,
we've
got
just
quick
work
session
this
evening.
We've
got
a
historic
preservation,
update
from
josh
wilson
and
then
we'll
do
a
gender
review
and
then
we'll
get
the
party
started
so
take
away.
Josh.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission
here
tonight,
just
to
kind
of
briefly
give
a
summary
of
a
code,
amendment
related
to
historic
preservation
that
the
city
has
proposed.
B
So,
to
give
some
background
on
the
issue,
unfortunately,
we've
seen
an
increase
in
unpermitted
activities
in
our
historic
districts,
including
demolition
of
structures,
unpermitted
work,
removal
of
trees,
and
things
like
that.
So
this
unpermitted
work
has
caused
a
great
deal
of
concern
among
residents
registered
neighborhood
associations
and
preservation
groups.
Obviously,
and
the
shared
concern
among
these
groups
has
been
that
we
don't
have
a
strong
enough
deterrent
in
code
to
prevent
these
sort
of
actions.
B
This
report
would
identify
the
extent
of
the
violations,
the
severity
of
them
recommend
mitigation
or
rehabilitative
measures
that
could
be
taken
on
those
actions,
and
then
it
would
be
scheduled
for
a
hearing
before
the
historic
preservation
committee
for
action.
They
could
approve
the
report.
They
could
modify
the
findings
and
requirements
of
the
report
or
they
could
deny
that
that
all
premier
premature
alterations
report
and
that
would
be
an
appealable
decision
to
city
council
in
our
dealings
with
builders,
homeowners
in
the
current
building
environment.
We
have
found
that
this
time
delay
is
the
greatest
deterrent.
B
Currently
code
does
allow
up
to
a
one
thousand
dollar
fine.
If
the
legal
department
was
to
take
it
through
the
through
prosecution.
You
know
this.
This
potential
delay
of
projects
certainly
carries
a
bigger
stick
than
a
small
fine
in
in
today's
building
environment
and
the
way
property
and
home
values
are
right
now.
B
So
an
import
important
provision
in
this
is
that
the
planning
director
can
waive
the
premature
alterations
report
for
minor
infractions.
This
would
be
things
that
could
be
easily
remedied
wrong.
Windows
installed,
some
inappropriate
materials
in
terms
of
trim
or
siding
were
installed
that
could
easily
be
removed
and
replaced
if
the
applicant
was
in
was
in
agreement
with
that,
and
the
intent
of
this
waiver
is
just
really
to
prevent
overload
of
the
historic
preservation
commission
not
dealing
with
every
minor
infraction
that
that
we
have
identified
in
the
city.
B
They
did
not
include
it
in
their
formal
motion,
but
they
did
request
that
staff
prepare
a
summary
report
essentially
of
how
many
of
these
waivers
the
director
is
granting
kind
of
a
checks
and
balances
just
to
just
to
make
sure
they're
comfortable
with
those
waivers
being
approved,
and
then
we
would
present
those
to
the
hpc
at
their
monthly
work
session.
So
with
that,
we
just
wanted
to
kind
of
give
a
quick
little
summary
of
the
amendment.
B
Keep
you
guys
apprised
of
progress,
we're
making
towards
addressing
these
violations,
and
I
could
stand
for
any
questions
if
you
have
any.
C
Thank
you,
josh.
Anybody
have
any
questions.
C
A
All
right,
so
we
can
just
jump
right
into
gender
review.
A
I
don't
need
to
be
on
here
twice:
okay,
peod
21-41,
on
bogus
basin
road.
You
all
heard
this
on
september
20th.
They
had
requested
deferral
to
october
fourth
and
are
now-
and
then
you
deferred
them
last
week
to
this
to
today
now
they're
requesting
deferral
again
to
november
8th,
and
you
would
have
seen
that
request
in
the
light
correspondence
packet
number
two
pd
21-42,
this
was
deferred
from
last
week.
This
is
a
pewdie
at
milwaukee
and
you
stick
for
10
multi-family
units.
A
A
Number
four
pd
21-45
is
a
modification
to
a
pd
to
increase
or
to
add
five
units
to
a
project.
We
are
recommending
approval.
We
believe
the
applicant
might
be
opposed
to
conditions,
but
it
might
be
good
to
check.
We
might
be
able
to
do
consent,
but
we
might
be
hearing
this
one.
So
we
should
expect
to
plan
to
hear
this
one,
but
we
can't
ask
the
applicant
if
they're
in
agreement
or
not.
A
Number
five
pd,
21-46
and
sub
21-45
is
a
a
two
unit,
pud,
basically
a
duplex
trying
to
become
two
town
homes.
We
are
recommending
approval,
we're
not
aware
of
any
opposition,
so
we
can
try
for
consent.
A
Number
six
so
sos
21-23
at
8410
west
vincent
street.
This
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
for
requirements
to
build
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk.
We
are
recommending
denial,
so
we
will
have
to
hear
that
one.
A
A
Number
eight
sos
21-22
on
shields
avenue
has
been
withdrawn.
You
should
just
make
note
of
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing,
but
no
other
actions
needed.
A
A
Number
10
cp
21-49
is
a
cp
for
a
child
care
center
on
findlay
avenue.
We,
the
site,
was
not
posted
properly,
so
we're
needing
to
defer
this
to
november
8th
is.
C
A
A
C
Commissioner,
morin
squires
we're
running
lean
tonight,
so
everybody
is
going
to
have
to
get
involved
tonight.
I
was
going
to
give
you
guys
a
pep
talk,
but
since
you're
online
that'll
have
to
do.
A
A
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
boise
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unneeded.
A
A
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
online
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony.
C
The
floor.
Thank
you
ceiling.
We
are
citizen
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
conditional
use,
permits,
variances
and
appeals
and
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
subdivisions,
rezones,
annexations
and
code
or
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
C
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
and
if
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
C
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
and
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
moments
ago,
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
D
C
Okay,
the
first
item
to
address
tonight
is
item
number,
eight
has
been
withdrawn
and
that's
item
number
eight
sos
21-22
for
mjv
properties,
llc
at
10386,
west
shields
avenue
as
a
waiver
to
a
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
gutter
and
that
has
been
withdrawn.
So
we
will
not
be
hearing
that
item
tonight.
C
Next,
we
will
take
a
look:
we've
had
a
request
for
deferral
of
item
number
one.
This
is
pud
21-24,
first
slitcher
origin
architecture
deferred
from
october
4th
2021
at
2588
north
bogus
basin
road
is
the
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
eight
studio
apartments
and
approximately
17
000
square
foot.
Addition
to
an
existing
building
is
they're
requesting
default
to
november
8th.
Is
there
anybody
present
tonight
who
would
not
be
able
to
return
to
testify
on
the
november
8th
hearing
that
would
like
to
do
so.
C
Okay,
seeing
no
hands
online
or
in
person,
I
will
entertain
a
motion.
Madam.
E
C
Commissioner,
dan
lee.
C
F
C
C
South
findlay
avenue
is
the
conditional
use
permit
for
a
child
care
center
for
up
to
180
children.
Is
there
anybody
they're,
asking
for
deferral
to
november
8th?
Is
there
anybody
present
tonight
who
would
like
to
testify
in
this
item?
Who
would
not
be
able
to
return
to
that
november?
8Th
date,
please
raise
your
hand
or
virtually.
E
C
C
Okay,
first
items
for
the
consent
agenda:
I'm
gonna
place
the
minutes
from
our
september
13th
2021
and
the
minutes
from
our
september
20th
2021
meetings
on
the
consent
agenda
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
four.
This
is
pud21-45
for
glancey
rockwell
and
associates
at
4420
north
five
mile
road.
This
is
a
modification
to
previously
approved
planned
residential
development.
To
add
five
single-family
dwellings
is
the
applicant
present
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
C
No
okay,
then
we
won't
be
adding
that
to
the
consent
agenda
next
item,
for
consideration
is
number
five.
This
is
pud
21-46
for
mark's
land
serving
llc
and
also
sub
21-45
for
fossen
glendale
subdivision
at
3851,
west
glendale
street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
plane,
residential
development
comprised
of
two
attached
town
homes
and
a
preliminary
and
final
platform
residential
subdivision
comprised
of
two
buildable
lots
is
the
applicant
present
miss
marks.
G
C
Do
we
have
an
applicant
present
for
item
number
five,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
if
you're
online,
okay,
I
am
not
seeing
that
is
there.
Anybody
present
that
would
like
to
testify
in
opposition
of
item
number
five
tonight.
C
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
number
seven.
This
is
cup
21-44
for
jub
engineers,
l
inc
at
8248,
west
victory
road.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
90
foot.
Tall
communication
tower
is
the
applicant.
Oh
sorry,
at
82,
8248
west
victory
road
is
the
applicant
present
tonight
great.
I
see
a
hand
up
there
and
jesse.
Are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
C
C
The
last
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
eleven.
This
is
pud
21-47
for
rodney
evans
and
partners.
Pllc
at
1209,
west
howard
street,
a
conditionally
used
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
two
detached
single-family
homes,
also
suv
21-46
for
scouts
landing
subdivision.
A
preliminary
and
final
platform
residential
subdivision
comprised
of
two
buildable
lots
is
the
applicant
present.
C
Mr
simple
great
and
mr
simple:
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
C
E
E
I
move
that
item
number
five
pud
21-46
and
sub-21-45
item
number:
seven
cup,
21-44
and
item
number
11,
pud,
21-47
and
sub-21-46
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
with
each
of
their
respective
terms
and
conditions
of
each
staff
report.
Along
with
the
meeting
minutes
from
september
13th
and
september
20th.
C
Second
great,
we
have
a
second
from
commissioner
squires.
If
there
is
no
discussion,
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote,
then
aye.
C
All
right,
okay,
so
up
is
item
number
two.
This
is
pd
21-42
for
softback
and
beard
deferred
from
october
4th
2021
at
3203
north
milwaukee
street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
10
multi-family
units
and
we
will
start
with
staff.
Please
go
ahead,
mr
moser.
Thank.
I
You,
madam
chair,
the
applicant,
is
requesting
approval
of
a
plan
to
resident
development
consisting
of
10
multi-family
units
in
one
building
located
at
3203,
north
milwaukee
street
and
r2d
zone.
As
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
site
is
looking
at
the
intersection
of
milwaukee
street
and
you
stick
road.
The
surrounding
neighborhood
is
generally
comprised
of
residential
with
commercial
and
office
uses
located
along
milwaukee
street
and
eastern
road
itself.
I
In
addition,
adjacent
to
the
west
and
north
of
the
development
is
an
office
development
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
site
plan
here,
the
project
consists
of
a
two-story
building
that
steps
down
to
single
story
on
the
north
and
south
ends.
In
summary,
the
project
meets
all
the
required
setback,
parking
requirements
and
height
standards,
the
development
code.
However,
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
the
parking
lot
will
take
access
from
an
existing
service
drives,
which
are
shared
with
the
adjacent
office
developments.
I
The
site
design
provides
all
the
required
parking
on
site,
which
includes
a
mix
of
full-size
and
compact
spaces
will
also
provide
about
a
hundred
or
about
71
square
feet
of
open
space
per
unit
within
the
balconies
and
patio
area,
and
the
project
will
use
energy
conservation
measures
within
the
construction
building
as
an
amenity.
There
is
also
a
public
park
about
one
half
a
mile
to
the
south
to
the
south
along
milwaukee
street.
I
Several
several
letters
were
received
by
the
planning
team
from
the
public,
which
expressed
concerns
of
the
project
in
terms
of
parking
compatibility,
open
space,
open
open
space
and
traffic.
To
address
these
concerns,
I
would
note
that
there
is
a
cross-access
agreement
for
the
use
of
the
service
drives
between
the
subject
property
and
the
office
development.
I
And
the
parcel
is
relatively
small,
but
each,
but
each
unit
will
provide
open
space
and
there
is
a
public
park.
A
half
a
mile
away.
I
The
project
is
compatible
with
the
adjacent
offices
and
provides
a
mix
of
uses
which,
which
includes
office
and
residential
at
the
intersection
of
two
arterial
roadways,
which
is
encouraged
by
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
subject
property
is
also
located
along
a
public
transit
route
which
supports
multi-family
residential
in
this
location.
I
So,
in
conclusion,
the
proposed
pud
complies
all
the
required
findings
as
per
code,
and
the
planning
team
recommends
approval.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
commissioners.
My
name
is
jay
gibbons
I
represent
the
owner
and
south
beck,
and
bird
here
in
boise
address
is
2002
south
vista
avenue.
I
have
a
short
presentation
as
and
I
appreciate
staff's
work
on
on
the
project
with
this
and
reviewing
the
code
and
what
have
you
so?
J
As
david
said,
our
location
is
on
the
northwest
corner
of
milwaukee
and
eustic.
It
is
a
vacant
parcel.
It's
lot,
2
of
the
major
subdivision,
which
was
a
commercial
subdivision
that
was
planted.
It
was
recorded
20
years
ago.
J
So
we
have
10
apartment
units
in
a
single
building.
It's
a
mix
of
there
are
four
single
bedroom
apartments
and
six
two
bedroom
apartments.
J
Each
apartment,
as
david
said,
has
a
private
balcony
or
or
a
patio
on
the
ground
floor
and
those
on
the
are
on
the
milwaukee
side
of
the
of
the
building,
and
we
were
encouraged
to
provide
pedestrian
connection
to
the
sidewalk
that
exists
on
milwaukee.
So
we've
done
that
it's
zone
commercial
c1.
We
we
are
going
to
be
required
to
go
to
to
dr
with
this
application
as
well.
As
I
said,
it
was
recorded
20
years
ago.
J
All
that
access
was
approved
to
milwaukee
and
to
u-stick
achd
is
going
to
require
some
improvements
to
the
eustic
side.
It's
already
right
in
right
out
and
will
remain
so
on
you-stick,
there's
a
elementary
school
750
or
60
feet
to
the
north.
It's
sidewalked
all
the
way
there
and
both
road
frontages
have
been
approved.
The
milwaukee
road
frontage
does
have
a
a
parkway
that
is
just
gravel
at
the
moment.
J
We
anticipate
improving
that
and
with
the
with
the
license
agreement,
to
put
turf
in
there
to
really
clean
up
that
that
right-of-way
frontage
as
well,
and
then
you
stick,
it
is
lawn
already.
It
had
trees
at
one
point,
the
trees
have
some
time
disappeared
in
the
last
20
years.
We
are
replacing
those
those
required
trees.
J
If
you
thank
you,
this
is
a
the
major
subdivision.
It
was
a
two
lot
subdivision
directly
to
the
north,
as
staff
represented
there's
the
vision
subdivision,
which
is
similarly
a
two
lot
subdivision,
there's
an
optometrist
on
one
lap
and
there's
a
a
mental
health
services
building
on
the
other
lot
and
we
have
a
chiropractor
on
lot.
J
One
of
the
majors
both
are
very
similar
in
nature,
in
that
all
the
parking
and
the
access
to
the
streets
is
a
common
easement
parking
ingress
egress
for
the
purpose
of
parking
agreement
and
was
set
into
place
with
the
plant
itself.
J
So
our
site
plan,
as
you
can
see,
is
a
very
modulated
building.
It
steps
back
from
as
you
get
closer
it
steps
back
to
the
to
the
west,
as
as
we
go
closer
to
the
intersection.
There's
an
existing
monument
sign
near
that
corner
in
an
easement
that
is
on
the
property,
but
out
of
the
vision
triangle
and
we're
trying
to
maintain
maximum
visibility
at
that
intersection,
as
it
is
next
so
landscape
plan.
As
you
can
see,
we've
added
the
trees
along
you
stick.
There
are
four
existing
trees.
J
There
used
to
be
five
one
of
them,
even
in
in
google,
the
google
maps
it
was,
it
looked
like
it
was
in
poor
condition.
It
was
taken
out
where
we
will
be
replacing
that
tree
and
we
are
keeping
the
lawn
and
the
berm.
That's
along
milwaukee,
I'm
gonna
very
minimally
impact
that,
with
the
with
the
sidewalk
connection
to
each
apartment.
J
But
beyond
that
we
have
really
present
a
really
nice
aesthetic
landscape,
all
around
and
add
trees
in
the
in
the
parking
islands
and
and
along
the
access
drive
off
of
milwaukee
to
the
north
of
us.
As
david
said,
we
we
have
10
units,
we
have.
J
We
need
one
one
parking
place
per
bedroom
and
we
have
that
plus
a
handicapped
stall,
so
we
have
17
total
totally
on
our
property.
As
is
you
know
the
the
the
parking
for
the
the
other
businesses?
They
have
they're
sufficient.
Their
code
required
parking,
that
is
on
their
property
as
well.
So
we
we
have.
J
The
joint
access
drive
that
we
expect
to
play
nice
neighbor
and
if
there
are
ever
complaints,
we'll
we'll
be
addressing
those
with
the
with
the
residents,
because
we
don't
want
to
impact
the
the
businesses
they've
been
there
for
a
long
time.
They're
the
thriving
businesses
and-
and
we
want
that
to
remain
with
it's
just
been.
Mr
majors
had
20
years,
could
not
sell
that
property
for
commercial
property
and
there
were
just
were
no
takers,
so
we
are
working
with
him
to
propose
multi-family
development.
J
So,
as
you
can
see,
our
building,
the
two
centerpieces
are
two
story,
and
each
end
is
a
one
bedroom
apartment
and
they
are
our
single
story.
So
it
steps
down
the
the
surrounding
business.
Buildings
are
all
single
story.
We
think
it'll
fit
well
with
with
the
ascetic
and-
and
you
know,
complement
each
other-
that
if
they
do,
we
do
have
a
a
variety
of
colors,
textures
and
and
finishes
on
the
building
and
and
think
it'll.
J
Be
very
attractive
next,
and
with
that
I
want
to
say
thank
you
and
we're
in
agreement
with
the
conditions
that
staff
has
placed
on
this
application.
C
Great
thank
you,
mr
gibbons.
Before
we
get
to
questions,
I
will
just
check
to
see.
Do
we
have
a
representative
from
the
west
bench
neighborhood
association
to
speak
on
this
item.
C
All
right
cnn,
then
we
will
go
two
questions
from
the
commission
for
staff
for
the
applicant.
Madam.
E
Chair
commissioner,
dan
lee,
I've
got
a
handful
of
questions
for,
for
both.
My
first
question
is
and
I'm
reading
on
page
144
of
our
staff
report.
It
says
that
the
project
I'm
reading
verbatim
here
the
project
complies
with
the
density
of
the
c1
zone
of
43.4
units
per
acre,
and
the
proposed
density
of
the
project
is
18.5
units
per
acre.
But
we
know
you
have
10
units.
E
J
I
haven't
looked
into
that
per
se.
We
were
more
concerned
with
minimizing
the
impact
on
the
neighbors.
I
I'm
not
sure
you
know
depth
of
groundwater
or
what
have
you
that
meant.
You
know
that
would
potentially
preclude
development
to
the
you
know
underground
per
se,
but
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
Exactly.
C
E
The
other
question
another
area
I
want
to
get
to
is
the
bulk
of
this
is
essentially
fronting
on
milwaukee,
but
you
stick
is
the
primary
arterial,
the
principal
arterial,
so
we're
thinking
about
this,
a
little
more
holistically
in
terms
of
the
massing
of
structure
and
how
traffic
works
and
all
that
sort
of
thing?
My
question
is:
is
it
not
possible
to
to
have
some
of
the
building?
I
mean?
I
know
one
part,
but
that's
the
step
down.
So
in
fact
the
shortest
part
of
the
structure
is
actually
on
the
eustic
portion
of
this
intersection.
E
J
Madam
chair
commissioner,
dan
lee,
so
we
have
a
10-foot
setback
on
on
you,
stick
and,
and
so
that
and
basically
that
you
you've
got
the
the
20-footer
parking
at
five
foot
sidewalk.
J
So
you
got
you've
got
25
feet
that
really
you
don't
you
don't
get
much
depth
there
if
you
were
to
turn
it
and
make
it
l-shaped
or
what
have
you,
because
that
is
the
narrowest
part
of
the
site
and
you
stick
being
being
the
principle
of
arterial.
That's
part
of
the
purpose,
that's
right
in
it
right
out
already
it
has.
It
does
have
a
concrete
curve
in
the
center
to
preclude
left
turn
lanes.
K
So
what
is-
and
this
is
a
question
for
staff-
minimum
square
footage
for
open
space
in
this
zone
per
unit.
I
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore
the
the
code
requirement
for
pud
is
100
square
feet
of
open
space
per
unit,
in
this
case,
they're
also
providing
an
amenity
and
the
location
of
a
park
public
park.
I
think
more
than
nelson
public
park
within
a
half
mile
distance.
You
know
substituted
for
that,
for
that
slightly
less.
I
think
they're
about
around
71
square
feet
of
open
space
per
unit.
So
with
the
amenities
in
the
park.
We,
the
planning
team,
thought
that
the
the
amount
of
open
space
was
correct.
K
Manager,
commissioner,
on
just
a
quick
follow-up,
so
on
our
packet
page,
sorry,
140
and
the
amenity
under
the
project
proposal.
K
So
basically,
I
think
you
kind
of
related
to
this
just
now
the
energy
energy
conservation
that
measures
are
intended
to
kind
of
be
a
substitution
of
some
of
those
of
the
open
space.
I
guess
well,
in
addition
to
the
the
park.
I
I'm
sure
members,
commissioner,
moore,
that
that
is
correct
and
a
pud
with
a
an
acre
or
more
is
required
to
have
two
amenities
and
one
of
those
could
be
energy
conservation,
and
we
also
count
in
even
for
a
pud
of
larger
sizes
if
there's
open
space
or
public
parks
nearby.
I
C
E
E
Is
there
an
interest
in
adding
the
additional
units
that
that
is
accommodated
via
via
our
code,
to
get
this
thing
to
to
much
more
dense
and
many
more
units?
I
understand
you
have
not
examined
the
details
and
such,
but
is
the
biggest
drawback,
the
biggest
reason
why?
Maybe
you
didn't
pursue
a
weightier
project
because
of
the
the
the
relationship
with
the
neighborhood
around
just
this
particular
parcel.
J
That,
madam
chair
and
commissioner
dan
lee,
that
that's
why
we
we
stayed
to
just
10
units.
It's
you
know
in
in
my
neighborhood
meeting
that
that
I
had
with
the
and
it
was
well
attended
all
the
the
business
owners
were
there
and
a
few
other
people
from
the
neighborhoods.
J
Their
concern
was
we're
blocking
their
visibility,
and
so
you
know
if
we,
if
we
propose
to
to
you,
know
we
we
would
have
to
change
the
entire
way
that
the
building
looks
and
then
it
becomes
a
major.
Then
then,
everything
behind
the
north
is
is
majorly
hidden
per
se.
That's
why
we
didn't
do
it!
C
Okay,
I
think
there
are
I'm
seeing
no
more
further
questions.
Thank
you
and
with
that
we
will
move
to
this
to
public
comment.
Do
we
have
anybody
that
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item
either
in
person
or
online?
Just
please
come
on
up
if
you're
here
in
person
and
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
if
you're
online.
C
Okay,
seeing
none
this
would
be
an
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
have
a
five
minute
rebuttal,
but
we
haven't
heard
much
opposition.
Is
there
anything
else
you'd
like
to
add,
or
would
you
like
to
waive
that
time?
I'm
sure
I
appreciate
it
great
let
the
records
show
that
they
are
waiving
that
opportunity
and
with
that
we'll
close.
The
public
portion
of
the
hearing
of
the
item
is
now
before
the
commission.
E
E
C
Great
second
from
commissioner
moore
commissioner
danley,
would
you
like
to
start
the
discussion?
I.
E
Would
I'm
going
to
try
to
be
brief
here?
I'm
not
honestly,
I'm
not
a
massive
fan
of
the
project,
not
because
I
don't
think
it
is
a
good
one
per
se,
but
because
this
is
a
arterial,
arterial
intersection,
and
we
don't
get
these
very
often
and
when
we
do
get
them,
I
feel
like
we
have
to
get
them
right.
They
have,
they
should
be
dense.
They
should
be
vertical
literally
giving
a
presentation
to
the
compass
board
next
week
about
this
very
subject
of
massing
and
its
effect
on.
E
M
E
I'm
going
to
go
out
on
a
gonna
limb
here
and
give
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
to
the
applicant
and-
and
I
recommend
that
we
approve
it
as
is
presented
to
us
this
evening.
K
Otherwise,
in
terms
of
the
open
space,
I
know
that
was
some
of
the
public
comments
and
well
you
know.
Energy
efficient
appliances,
in
my
mind,
aren't
necessarily
a
substitution
for
open
space.
I
think
the
proximity
to
parks
and
the
proximity
to
schools
with
open
space.
I
think
that
is
a
sufficient
substitution
for
open
space
on
site,
in
my
mind,
particularly
for
something
like
10
units,
so
that
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
C
Great
okay,
if
there
is
no
further
discussion,
then
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
approve
pud
21-42
for
south
beckham
beard
at
3203
north
milwaukee
street.
A
conditional
news
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
10
multi-family
units.
Will
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
vote.
F
C
Okay,
next
up
is
item
number
three.
This
is
car
21-18
for
leaves
99
investments,
llc
and
neil
collette
deferred
from
october
4th
2021..
Also
s
sub
21-21
for
garner
vine
subdivision
and
suv
21-42
for
toffee
downs
subdivision.
These
are
all
at
12,
371
and
12553
west
goldenrod
avenue,
we'll
start
with
staff.
Please
go
ahead.
Kevin.
N
As
you
said
before,
you
use
a
request
to
rezone
just
over
13
air
acres
from
an
a1
to
an
r1b
zone
located
at
12371
and
12553
goldenrod
avenue
also
included,
are
two
separate
preliminary
plot
applications,
one
for
taffy
down
subdivision
on
the
left
there
in
yellow,
which
has
12
buildable
lots
on
almost
five
acres
and
the
gardner
vine
subdivision
in
green,
which
has
13
buildable
lots
on
eight
acres,
so
the
properties
are
located
over
here
in
the
west
bench,
just
west
of
cloverdale
road
in
between
mcmillan
and
eustic.
N
As
you
can
see
here,
the
land
use
designation
of
this
entire
area
is
suburban,
which
does
support
the
requested
r1b
zone
directly
adjacent
to
the
properties,
our
a1
and
r1b
zone
properties
and
with
some
r1c
not
too
far
away
to
the
north
and
east.
As
explained
in
further
detail
on
your
project
report,
the
planning
team
is
supportive
of
the
requested
r1b
zone
it'll
match
up
with
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
does
provide
for
a
predictable
development
pattern
in
the
area.
N
So,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
do
have
two
separate
preliminary
plat
applications
submitted
with
these
properties
as
they
are
under
different
ownership.
The
size
of
the
requested
lots
is
compatible
with
the
requested
r1b
zone,
as
they
average
around
15
000
square
feet
in
size.
Connectivity
to
the
surrounding
properties
has
been
provided
via
sub
street
to
the
south,
a
common
drive
to
the
east
and
an
internal
micropath.
N
As
you
know,
the
the
planning
team
typically
defaults
to
detaching
sidewalks
with
new
developments
as
they
provide
both
increased
safety
and
comfort
for
pedestrians
and,
in
this
case,
the
ability
to
plant
street
trees.
I
believe
the
applicants
will
be
presenting
an
alternative
to
detaching
the
sidewalks
and
I'd
certainly
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
once
we've
had
a
chance
to
hear
from
them,
and
we
also
did
receive
one
comment
from
a
neighbor
after
the
deadline
to
get
it
over
to
your
late
correspondence
packet.
N
So
I'll
do
my
best
to
summarize
the
couple
concerns
they
have,
even
though
I
do
believe
they're
also
signed
up
for
speaking
this
evening.
So
the
the
first
was
related
to
not
wanting
the
connection
to
the
south
down
there
on
far
light
way,
you
can
just
see
kind
of
peeking
out
of
the
bottom.
N
It
is
worth
noting
that
the
for
that
connection
to
take
place
it
would
require
the
redevelopment
of
that
property
there
with
kind
of
a.
I
think
it's
almost
an
acre
in
size
to
make
that
connection.
N
So
with
that,
as
detailed
in
your
project
packet,
the
planning
team
is
supportive
of
the
request
as
they
comply
with
the
standards
of
approval
and
all
commenting.
Agencies
have
approved
of
them
with
various
conditions
of
approval
and,
as
a
reminder,
the
commission
is
a
recommending
body
for
all
of
these
applications
to
counsel.
C
Thank
you,
mr
holmes.
Next
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
C
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
up
to
10
minutes,
go
ahead
and
pull
that
mic
down
too.
If,
if
that
helps.
M
Madam
chair
members,
gary
mcallister,
representing
taffy
downs,
there
was
one
concern
that
the
neighbor
to
the
south
road
in
about
the
trees
along
the
irrigation
bank,
and
once
that
gets
piped
underground,
those
trees
will
die
and
we've
agreed
to
remove
them.
They
they
got
to
come
out,
their
cottonwoods
they'll
die.
So
that
was
one
concern
we
had
from
one
of
the
neighbors.
The
rest
of
neighbors
are
seem
to
be
very
happy
with
the
size
and
the
layouts,
and
I
think,
kevin
covered
pretty
well
and
I'll
stand
for
questions.
Excellent.
C
Thank
you
great
well
before
we
get
to
questions
I'll.
Just
do
a
call
to
see
if
we
have
a
representative
from
the
centennial
neighborhood
association
here.
C
Alex
hi,
I
see
you
online.
Are
you
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
association.
O
P
Thank
you,
hi
alex
mcdonald,
380
state
street
and
eagle
representing
gartner
vines.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
just
one
double
check.
Yes,
one,
hey
thank
you
and
real
quick
comments.
Kevin
did
again
get
it
did
a
great
job.
I
think
you
know
this
project
does
represent
a
a
best
fit
for
the
community.
I
think,
overall,
it's
actually
working
a
lot
together
through
a
few
revisions
to
find
a
best
fit
between
both
parties
for
these
projects.
So
again
we're
redeveloping
our
proposals.
P
Redeveloping
around
eight
acres
to
13
buildable
lots.
We
are
keeping
the
existing
home,
that's
already
there
that
will
stay
on
to
around
2.2
acres
and
our
goal
is
to
keep
vegetation
entries
as
we
can,
as
mr
mcallister
said,
so
we're
also
again
to
reiterate
requesting
rezone
into
r1b,
and
we
do
want
to
keep
that
uniformity
with
with
the
west
bench
and
having
those
larger
lots,
and
so
part
of
what
we
hope
to
do
is
also
have
that
the
landscape
buffer
within
the
subdivision
and
in
its
in
turn.
P
Our
proposal
is
to
require
planting
one
tree
at
least
one
tree
into
each
buildable
lot.
C
E
E
It's
a
question
for
for
staff
and
when
I
look
at
their
staff
report-
and
I
see
what
was
provided
by
achd
specifically
on
the
street
network,
and
then
I
see
what's
in
front
of
me.
So
I
see
the
staff
report
from
achd
shows
that
southern
road
as
a
cul-de-sac
recommended
private
road
according
to
their
report.
N
It
yeah
madame
church
misha
danley,
so
it
is
the
there's
been
a
couple
revisions
with
this
and
with
that,
the
initial
subdivisions
that
got
sent
to
achd
are
not
what
we
have
before
us.
So
the
the
most
up-to-date
plans
are
what
you
see
here
in
in
the
achd
staff
report.
They
do
actually
recognize
the
fact
that
that
cul-de-sac
is
not
ideal
in
their
mind
and
that
they
kind
of
give
like
well.
N
E
E
E
N
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
danny
I
can
kind
of
give
a
little
bit
of
background
about
how
this
specific
plan,
because
it
was
a
the
result
of
working
with
both
parties
through
multiple
iterations,
and
that
was
one
thing
that
we
discussed.
There
is
an
existing
house
that
you
see
there
on
this
property,
which
is
the
the
property
owners,
and
they
were
not
necessarily
in
favor
of
pulling
that
street
through.
N
Really,
the
the
the
distance
between
paint
street
over
here
and
the
ability
to
get
up
to
goldenrod,
which
is
a
collector
roadway,
which
generally
we
like
to
funnel
traffic
to
and
the
amount
of
traffic
that
really
could
be
on
these
streets,
is
pretty
minimal.
That
it
seemed
like
just
having
the
micropath
connection
would
be
sufficient
in
this
case.
Q
M
I'm
chair
members,
the
request
was
to
have
detached
sidewalks
and
then
a
planting
space
in
front
of
them
was
set
back
15
feet,
and
then
you
have
two
feet
additional
right.
We
ends
up.
You
have
17
feet.
M
The
area
has
a
lot
of
trees
in
it
anyways
and
so
we're
that's
our
alternate
to
get
the
trees
that
we'd
like
to
have,
but
not
have
your
sidewalk
sit
on
your
front
door.
So
thank
you,
mr
mcallister,
and
if
I
can
speak
to
the
issue
about
the
paint
streak
coming
through,
we
had
some
objections
from
the
neighbors.
If
we
turned
it
went
north
and
then
connected
there
aren't
they
then
have
a
street
in
their
front
yard
and
a
street
in
their
backyard.
M
R
Madam
chair,
commissioner
squires,
mr
holmes,
remind
me
of
the
setbacks
for
the
front
and
how
much
would
this
detach
sidewalk
infringe
into
the
lot?
These
are
very
they're
sizable
lots.
So
I
I'm
having
a
hard
time
seeing
the
the
struggle
to
be
able
to
get
the
detached
sidewalk
in
along
with
the
trees.
But
if
you
can
help
enlighten
me,
I'd
appreciate
it.
N
Sure,
madam
chair,
commissioner
squires,
so
in
the
r1b
zone,
it's
your
your
typical
front
setback
so
15
feet
to
living
space
and
20
to
front
loaded
garages
which,
from
the
planning
team's
perspective,
does
provide
enough
room
to
detach
sidewalks
and
get
those
street
trees
as
well.
C
E
N
E
E
C
Okay,
seeing
no
further
questions
then
we'll
move
to
public
testimony.
So
do
we
have
anybody
in-house
here
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
I
do
have
one:
oh,
that
was
mr
mcallister.
C
Is
there
anybody
else
online?
That
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
great,
let's
start
with
marcine
taylor
and
then
brian
and
then
michael
will
just
go
down
the
list.
There
just
give
us
a
moment.
While
we
switch
you
over
to
speaking
permissions.
C
S
Thank
you.
My
name
is
marcine
taylor.
I'm
at
one
two,
four
five
three
west
briarwood
drive,
I'm
while
the
platte
math
and
everything
I
is
appears
fine,
I'm
most
concerned
with
the
zone
change
at
all.
There
are
very
few
pockets
of
this
a1
zone
that
actually
still
have
houses
on
them
and
I
happen
to
live
in
one
of
those
areas.
That's
a
dead
end
street
with
18
one
acre
lots
that
are
zoned
a1
and
the
precedent
that
this
is
already
being
set
on
that
street.
S
Where
then,
you
start
getting
berms
and
fences
along
the
street
instead
of
people's
front
yards,
and
I
think
it
really
hurts
the
communities-
and
there
are
so
few
of
these
left
that
I
just
I
hate
to
see
them
eroded,
and
I
I
am
vehemently
opposed,
and
if
this
were
on
my
street,
if
one
of
my
neighbors
ever
wants
to
redevelop,
I
will
absolutely
fight
against
it.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
miss
taylor.
Next,
we'll
hear
from
mr
martindale.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
T
So
the
only
point
I
wanted
to
mention
very
brief:
there
are
some
trees,
some
large
cottonwood
and
some
other
existing
trees,
many
of
which
are
dying,
and
I
do
hope,
as
a
condition
of
moving
forward
with
the
proposed
development
that
the
developers
will
remove
all
of
the
existing
trees.
And
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
height
requirement,
trees
above
x
feet,
but
they
are
quite
a
nuisance.
They've
caused
a
fair
amount
of
damage
already.
I
can
personally
attest
to
that,
but
more
important.
T
C
Thank
you,
mr
martindale
great
next,
we'll
hear
from
michael
hurd.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute
when
you're
ready
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
U
Yes,
my
name
is
michael
hurd.
I
live
at
12303
west
goldenrod
avenue,
I'm
in
the.
So
if
you
turn
west
off
of
clover
day
along
goldenrod,
the
first
lot
is
a
montessori
preschool,
and
this
second
lot
is
my
lot,
my
house
and
then
the
proposed
development
would
start
immediately
to
the
west.
Of
that
I
just
have
a
couple
of
concerns.
I
would
like
to
address
first
of
all,
the
road
that
goes
down
the
property
off
of
goldenrod
on
the
west
side
of
my
property.
U
We
spoke
to
planning
and
zoning
and
they
indicated
that
one
option
was
to
have
five
feet
of
common
area,
then
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
road-
and
we
would
like
that
because
we
have
mature
grape
vines
on
our
pro
on
that
border
of
our
property
and
mature
lilacs
and
we're
worried
about
if
development
goes
in
right
on
the
property
line
that
we'll
lose
our
mature
grapevines
and
those
mature
lilacs.
U
So
we
endorse
that
option.
Second
of
all,
the
lot
to
the
south
of
our
property
currently
has
the
head
gate
for
irrigation,
approximately
midway
on
the
south
boundary
every
thursday
for
four
hours.
I
have
to
access
that
head
gate
to
divert
the
water
to
my
lot
to
be
able
to
flood.
I
get
the
water
only
for
four
hours
a
week.
I
need
it
to
flood.
I
have
an
established
orchard
and
established.
U
Huge
walnut
trees
that
have
been
flooded
for
years.
I
need
to
continue
that
in
the
past
I've
had
access
just
walking
across
that
proposed
lot
site
to
get
to
the
head
gate.
I
need
to
know
how
they're
going
to
address
access
to
me
to
the
head
gate
so
that
I
make
sure
that
I
can
continue
to
flood
irrigate
my
orchard.
U
C
Okay,
see
none,
then
we'll
move
to
rebuttal
by
the
applicant,
so
you'll
have
five
minutes
whether
mr
mcallister
or
mr
mcdonald
would
like
to
take
that
either.
One
is
fine,
please
start
again
just
with
your
name,
so.
M
C
Okay,
mr
mcdonald,
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
take
the
rest
of
that
time.
P
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
so
addressing
a
couple
of
the
issues
there
yeah,
as
mr
mcallister
said,
that
I
do
believe
that
part
of
our
conditions
of
approval
to
do
a
tree
mitigation
study
which
will
help
assess
not
only
the
health
of
trees,
but
what
to
keep
what
what
could
get
or
get
removed
and
so
yeah
our
understanding
is,
as
we
go
through
the
process
of
development.
P
Those
trees
will
be
removed
as
the
irrigation
pipe
gets
under,
gets
piped
underneath
and
so
then
yeah
with
any
other
concerns
with
you
know,
vegetation.
Our
goal
is
to
keep
as
much
as
we
can
through
this
process
and
that's.
C
C
E
I
move
that
we
recommend
car
21-8
suv,
21-21
nsub
21-42.
E
C
Okay,
great,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
recommend
approval
for
item
number
three.
Do
we
have
a
second?
Second?
Second
great,
I
heard
a
second
first
from
commissioner
squires.
Is
there
a
discussion.
L
E
Things
I'm
going
to
bring
up
in
support
of
the
motion
and
also
some
concerns
with
respect
to
the
rezone
and
what
we
heard
from
from
one
of
the
folks
testifying.
I
I
understand
that
and
I'm
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
pain
and
a
growing
pain
that
I
know
not.
Everybody
is
fond
of.
Unfortunately,
the
conversion
of
some
of
the
single
lot
units
that
are
that
are
out
there,
especially
some
of
the
smaller
parcels
like
this.
This
is
part
of
urbanization.
E
As
for
the
the
sub
applications,
my
biggest
pause
is
the
street
connectivity,
specifically
on
the
with
the
name
of
the
street
that
goes
paint
in
the
bigger
picture
that
street's
trying
to
go
to
the
west.
R
Madam
chair,
commissioner
squires
commissioner
danley
hit
a
lot
of
my
high
points,
especially
the
design
that
was
an
initial
concern
of
mine
as
well.
But
again,
I
understand
the
reasons
why
I
don't
like
it
though,
but
I
understand
I
think
we
need
to
stick
with
the
attached
sidewalks.
I
think
there
is
plenty
of
room
to
make
all
of
this
work
and
I
fully
support
staff
and
their
condition
on
that.
R
The
one
thing
I
didn't
hear
in
the
rebuttal-
and
I
do
have
a
concern
with
I
know-
access
to
water
is
really
important
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
gentleman
who
spoke
mr
heard
does
have
access
to
his
flood
irrigation
each
week,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
skim
through
the
conditions
of
approval,
to
see
if
there
was
any
sort
of
anything
that
alluded
to
that,
I'm
not
seeing
it
offhand,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
care
of
him
so
anyway,
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
right
now.
R
Q
Thank
you.
I
want
to
commend
commissioner
danley
who's
been
on
point
on
both
of
these
so
far
as
usual,
just
to
bring
up
two
quick
things.
I
do
commiserate
a
bit
with
miss
taylor,
who
spoke
about
fences
and
berms
along
streets,
and
I
I
definitely
empathize
on
that
one.
I
think
it's
not
great
design.
Q
I
think
all
of
us
have
a
little
bit
of
pain,
seeing
that
up
on
the
north
end
of
the
project
there,
and
then
I
will
also
direct
the
rest
of
the
commissioners.
It
looks
like
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly
on
page
263,
we
have
a
letter
from
the
lateral
association
which
it
looks
like
is
advocating
for
the
water
to
be
retained
for
those
orchards
and
grapes
that
the
one
land
owner
has.
So
I
think
council
should
be
able
to
sort
that
out
when
they
get
this.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Blanchard.
Okay,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
recommend
approval
for
car,
21-18,
21-21
and
suv.
21-42
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote.
Aye
squires.
F
V
D
C
W
W
The
use
was
originally
approved
through
cop
in
2006.
The
site
is
surrounded
on
all
sides
by
residential
uses
of
various
sizes.
The
settlers
canal
runs
diagonal
through
the
site
from
near
the
southwest
corner
up
and
along
the
northern
property
edge.
An
existing
church
and
retreat
center
occupies
the
east
side
of
the
parcel,
and
the
proposal
meets
all
dimensional
requirements
of
the
zone.
W
W
This
section
is
a
critical
link
to
connecting
this
neighborhood
activity
center
and
southwest
neighborhoods
to
hyatt,
hidden
lakes
reserve
and
the
future
goddard
linear
park.
Typically,
the
planning
team
would
require
the
applicant
to
install
a
12-foot
wide,
concrete
path
for
public
use.
However,
at
this
time,
a
condition
of
approval
will
only
require
a
12-foot
wide
blanket
public
access,
easement
adjacent
to
the
south
side
of
the
canal,
which
could
accommodate
a
future
pathway.
W
In
conclusion,
the
proposed
development
is
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval.
The
planning
team
finds
the
request
to
be
consistent
with
the
standards
for
approval
and
recommends
approval
of
the
application
with
conditions.
Thank
you
and
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
and
deanna
dupuis.
The
lead
planner
for
the
pathways
plan
is
also
available
on
zoom.
If
you
have
any
questions,
thank
you.
X
Great,
madam
chair
and
members
of
this
commission,
my
name
is
christian
welp
and
my
address
is
11778
west
yoga
street
boise
and,
as
mentioned
number
three
on
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
is
the
only
concern
that
we
have
and
there's
a
couple
reasons
for
that.
X
X
X
I
don't
know
if
the
city
has
to
get
permission
from
the
settlers
district
irrigation
or
if
you
can
have
an
easement
on
top
of
an
easement.
I
don't
know
if,
if
that
is
possible,
if
that's
not
possible,
the
irrigation
district
has
in
either
either
60
foot
or
75
foot
as
a
crystal
foot
wide
easement
from
the
middle
of
the
canal.
X
If
it's,
if
you
can't
have
an
easement
on
top
of
an
easement,
then
you
have
to
have
a
12
foot
wide.
Well,
probably
more
than
12
foot
wide
easement.
If
the
walking
path
is
12,
foot
wide
outside
of
what
their
easement
is,
and
that
is
getting
very
wide
and
I
think
would
go
into
buildings
that
we
have
on
the
property.
X
So
the
other
concern
is
nothing
seems
to
be
specific
with
the
plan
as
far
as
as
far
as
I
understand
in
talking
with
crystal
where
this
walkway
is
going
to
be,
which
side
of
the
canal
it's
going
to
be
on
and
when
it's
going
to
be
built
and
how
it's
going
to
be
built.
X
So
without
knowing
any
of
those
specifics
and
without
permission
from
the
irrigation
district
it
doesn't
seem
to
be,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
to
us
to
be
something
that
is
necessary
for
us
to
to
complete
our
building
project,
and
with
that,
do
I
stand
for
questions
or
I'm
sorry.
This
is
my
first
time.
C
Right
there
would
be
fine
okay,
so
before
we
get
to
questions
I'll
just
check
to
see,
if
we
have
a
west
valley,
neighborhood
association
representative
with
us
tonight,
okay
seeing
none,
then
we
will
move
to
questions
from
the
commission
for
staff
of
the
applicant,
and
I
will
just
read
into
the
record
the
the
site-specific
condition
of
approval
that
is
under
discussion.
Here
is
a
number
three,
which
is
a
12-foot
pedestrian
pathway.
Easement
shall
be
established
adjacent
to
the
canal
on
the
south
side
prior
to
submittal
of
the
building
permits.
K
So
I
probably
have
the
same
question.
I
think
the
applicant
brought
up
the
most
of
the
questions
that
I
have
so
and
I'll
start
with
the
the
first
one.
Is
this
pathway
easement
meant
to
be
inside
the
irrigation
easement
or
is
it
meant
to
be
adjacent
to
it?
W
Sure
I
can
take
this
one,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore
the
condition
was
intentionally
written,
vague
so
that
they
could
work
through.
We
could
work
through
with
settlers
irrigation
to
see
what's
the
best
fit
for
this
property.
We
did
specify
the
south
side
because
there
is
more
room
on
that
side,
but
that
could
be
either
within
the
settler's
irrigation
easement
or
on
the
outside
of
it.
C
Yes
go
ahead
and
I
see
that
deanna
is
asked
to
be
moved
to
a
presenter,
so
we'll
work
on
that
and
go
ahead.
Please,
commissioner,
moore.
K
And
just
to
clarify
by
the
south
side,
looking
at
the
plan
on
our
packet
page,
sorry
276.
that
would,
I
guess,
technically
be
sort
of
the
east
side
of
that
canal.
Just
in
relation
to
our
site
plan.
Q
Commissioner,
blaine
trade
question
for
staff
crystal
page
302
in
our
packet
is
the
letter
from
david
duvall
from
nampa
and
meridian
irrigation
district.
Is
there
he
references,
mr
myers
and
the
settlers
irrigation
district
in
that
letter?
Is
there
a
reason
that
he
wouldn't
have
forwarded
this
on
to
settlers
irrigation
district
or
to
legal
counsel
that
elim
burke
on
this
one?
If
they
had
concerns.
W
Q
No,
that's
that's
just
a
lot
of
times
in
these
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
irrigation
districts,
we
get
some
kind
of
a
letter
in
the
packet
from
legal
counsel
at
eleven
burke
on
these
kind
of
things.
I
just
it
just
seems
to
me
that,
like
if
there
was
a
if
there
was
a
big
concern
from
nampa
and
meridian
irrigation
district,
I'm
assuming
they
would
have
sent
it
to
settlers
and
legal
council,
but
we
don't
have
anything
from
either
one
of
them.
R
Madam
chair
commissioner
squires
so
miss
rain
as
pathways
are
typically
planned
well
in
advance.
You
know,
through
master
planning,
a
comprehensive
plan,
master
pathways
plans.
I
have
to
assume
that's
there's
been
some
level
of
communication
with
settlers
throughout
the
years
regarding
the
intention
of
putting
a
pathway
along
their
canal.
Y
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
we
have
been
working
with
settlers
as
part
of
our
pathways
master
plan
process,
and
I
believe
I
presented
to
commission
at
work
session
earlier
in
the
summer
about
our
progress
to
date
on
that
plan,
as
this
is
the
first
comprehensive
pathway
plan
that
we've
done
since
really
the
master
planning
for
the
greenbelt.
This
is
kind
of
our
first
comprehensive
conversation
with
those
irrigation
districts
about
pathways.
Generally,
I
have
spoken
with
mac
in
the
specific
of
this
site
and
then
also
about
pathways
generally
along
settlers
canal.
Y
Generally,
they
his
or
settlers
irrigation,
has
worked
well
on
other
projects
and
that
we're
just
really
trying
to
continue
to
build
this
relationship
with
them
to
identify
their
needs
and
how
we
can
find
win-win
situations
so
that
they
can
continue
their
business,
but
that
we
can
also
secure
space
for
pathway
users.
So
we're
still
in
conversations
and
that's
really
why
we're
open
to
the
conversation
of
and
easement
without.
You
know,
for
us
to
kind
of
become
a
little
bit
clearer
on
settler's
specific
needs
for
their
easement.
R
Madam
chair
follow-up,
please,
commissioner
squires
thank
you
for
that.
What
is
what
are
the
alternatives?
If
you
can't
come
to
some
sort
of
agreement
with
settlers,
obviously
you're
putting
the
applicant
in
a
in
a
tough
situation?
What
is
plan
b
if
we
can't
get
there.
Y
I
think
there's
a
couple
or
madam
chair,
commissioner:
there
are
the
plan
b
would
be
to
do
outside
of
the
irrigation
easement,
and
that
is
something
that
we've
seen
other
cities
in
the
treasure
valley
do.
If
it
cannot
fit
within
the
irrigation
easement,
it's
private
development.
They
make
space
to
accommodate
that.
As
you
know,
it
meets
the
goals
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
our
city,
and
we
have
that
ability
through
private
development.
The
other
one
would
be
that
we
missed
this
critical
link.
As
mrs
rains
had
said.
Y
This
is
a
connection
from
our
in-progress
goddard
linear
park.
We
already
have
existing
multi-use
path,
south
of
hyatt,
hidden
lakes
reserve,
and
this
would
be
another
piece
of
the
puzzle
to
get
to
our
connection.
K
So
I'm
looking
at
the
development
kind
of
I
guess
to
the
east,
there's
mark
cliffway.
If
I'm
looking
on
path
at
age,
27
to
and
there's
some
kind
of
houses
right
there
is
there
a
pathway
easement.
How
is
that
easement
work
kind
of
with
those
those
houses?
I
would
anticipate
that
those
probably
wouldn't
redevelop
anytime
soon.
Y
Y
And
madam
chair
commissioners
and
one
of
the
critical
pieces
is
private
property,
so
we
can't
just
do
it
with
the
irrigation
district,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
especially
in
this
case
it
is
a
private
property
owner
and
so
through
achieving
getting
the
easement
through
development.
Is,
you
know
our
best
instead
of
having
to
approach
the
private
property
owner
later
at
this
time?
This
is
our
opportunity
to
secure
that
easement.
K
Manager,
commissioner,
moore
just
a
quick
follow-up,
so
just
to
confirm,
essentially
what
you're
saying
is.
If
the
settler's
canal
does
not
allow
a
pathway
inside
their
easement,
then
this
pathway
would,
if
beneath
met
outside
of
the
canal,
was
granted
for
this
property
would
essentially
end
those
houses
off
of
marklip
way
unless
they
redeveloped
years
down
the
road.
Y
Adam
our
commissioner
or
madam
chair
commissioners,
in
the
short
run.
Yes,
that
could
be
a
solution
that
the
path
and
again
we're
asking
for
an
easement,
not
a
built
pathway,
so
we
may
hold
that
easement
and
never
use
it
until
perhaps
something
changes
our
direction
of
writing
the
cities
for
the
master
pathway
plan
is
to
really
be
a
visionary
plan.
Q
A
quick
question
crystal
or
just
refresh
my
memory
on
this
when
we're
making
a
recommendation
on
this
one
correct.
C
Okay,
see
no
further
questions,
then
we'll
move
to
public
testimony.
Do
we
have
anybody
who
would
like
to
testify
this
item
either
online
or
in
person.
X
Sorry
christian
well
perfect
and
I
represent
the
the
builder
pete
rockwell
is
our
architect
and
I
work
for
the
catholic
diocese
of
boise.
It's
my
understanding
and,
and
maybe
is
it
mrs
dupuy.
X
Or
crystal
can
address
this.
What
mac
myers
told
me
is
that
there's
no
way
that
they're
going
to
give
an
easement
to
the
city,
but
maybe
something
has
developed
in
the
past
10
days.
I
don't
know,
but
if
he
is
that.
V
X
C
K
Absolutely
so
the
the
pathway
easement
while
vague,
I
think,
for
this
particular
site
plan.
It
doesn't
affect
what
you
can
do
with
that
expansion
on
the
units,
because
it
is
on
the
other
side
of
that
lateral
of
the
canal.
If
you
were
developing
kind
of
the
that
other
portion,
it
might
affect
what
you
can
do.
K
But
at
this
point
I
don't
think
it
affects
your
your
sight
plane
at
all
and
having
it
there,
whether
it's
utilized
now
or
later,
or
whether
it's
utilize
it
all
under
the
current
plan
that
we're
looking
at
it,
doesn't
really
affect
or
restrict
anything
at
all.
So
I'm
comfortable
keeping
the
easement
I
it's
a
little
bit
confusing
to
to
not
have
the
two
talking
to
each
other.
K
I
think
that
that
does
add
some
confusion
to
applicants
and
and
to
commission
questions,
but
I
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
pathways-
and
it
just
hasn't-
been
sorted
at
this
point.
So
with
that
I'll
support
this
application.
R
I
second
the
motion.
I
think
there
would
have
been
a
strong,
a
stronger
case
from
the
applicant
had
he
had
brought
a
letter
from
settlers
stating
to
the
effect
that
this
was
not
going
to
be
allowed
right.
Now,
it's
just
tear
say,
and
at
this
point
I
have
a
letter
in
our
packet
from
nampa
meridian
irrigation
district
that
doesn't
address
really
much
of
anything.
R
So
at
this
time
I
think
we
let
the
conditions
stand
if
we
find
ourselves
in
a
pickle
a
little
bit
later
on,
then
the
applicant
always
has
the
ability
to
come
back
to
this
commission.
I
believe-
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
to
come
back
and
ask
for
a
modification
of
their
pud
approval,
so
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
Thank
you.
E
So
this
takes
time
these
things
take
time.
This.
This
master
plan
is
going
to
take
frankly
generations
before
it's
fully
developed
out
people
change
positions,
the
irrigation
companies
change
their
opinions
and
we've
seen
this
all
over
this
valley,
the
city
of
meridian
has
been
actually
incredibly
successful,
with
getting
pathways
built
on
their
irrigation
system,
much
more
than
we
have,
and
frankly
we're
learning
lessons
from
them
and
now
applying
them.
It
is
this
type
of
a
plan.
E
It
is
this
type
of
an
effort
and
is
this
type
of
easement
that
allows
this
plan
to
ultimately
mature
and
develop
into
something
pretty
significant
special,
just
like
it
has
and
and
we've
seen
in
other
places
throughout
this
county
and
the
valley.
So
I
don't
see
a
reason
why
we
shouldn't
have
the
easement.
You
can
go
forth
and
build
what
you
need
to
build.
C
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
approve
item
number
four.
This
is
pd
21-45
at
4420,
north
five
mile
road,
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
as
outlined
in
the
staff
report.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote,
then
aye.
F
C
W
Yes,
excellent.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
This
item
before
you
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision
ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
gutter
and
sidewalk
as
a
part
of
a
minor
land
division
on
point
four:
eight
acres
located
in
a
pending
r1bda
single
family,
residential
with
development
agreement
zone,
the
right-of-way.
Oh
sorry,
that
was
that
one,
the
right-of-way
adjacent
to
the
subject
parcel
to
the
north
is
improved
with
vertical,
curb
gutter
and
attached
sidewalks
that
connects
into
an
extensive
pedestrian
system
along
a
stretch
of
the
overland
road
commercial
corridor.
W
W
The
development
code
states
that
all
new
parcels
that
about
the
public
right-of-way
shall
be
improved
with
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
However,
the
development
code
does
allow
for
a
waiver
to
these
requirements,
so
the
applicant
may
develop
the
property
in
a
reasonable
manner,
provided
the
quality
is
not
diminished.
C
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
mr
kaczyk
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
up
to
10
minutes.
Z
Oh
sorry
about
that,
let's
share
our
screen.
Actually,
okay,
my
name
is
ivarkottis.
My
wife
zhaowen
is
here.
So
do
we
just
share
screen,
we
kind
of
put
together
a
little
powerpoint,
certainly
not
as
professional
as
the
ones
you've
seen
today,
but.
V
Z
Okay,
my
wife's
gonna
start
us
off
with
this,
so
hopefully
we.
C
Start
again
when
she
takes
the
mic,
if
you
can,
if
she
can
please
state
her
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
chow
wing.
I
this
is
my
husband
we're
trying
to
purchase
4.4
eight
acres
of
land
from
debbie
lasher.
That
will
be
sorry,
I'm
just
trying
to
make
it.
So
I
can
see
that
will
split
off
from
a
0.91
acre
lot
so
that
we
can
build
our
home
for
our
growing
family
and
take
care
of
our
mom
to
be
able
to
purchase
this
land
from
debbie
lasher,
which
is
located
on
the
8410
west
vincent
invoice,
the
ido
83709.
AA
We
were
told
that
we
had
to
rezone
this
law
and
complete
a
minor
land
division.
We
have
completed
pretty
much
all
the
requirements,
except
for
the
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
Unfortunately,
putting
in
sidewalk
urban
gutter
is
a
massive,
an
expensive
undertaking
for
our
family
to
endure
and
we're
here
to
plead
our
case
for
the
subdivision,
ordinance
according
to
code
11-09-05,
whenever
a
tract
be
subdivided
or
altered
by
a
rector
survey
as
unusual
size
or
shape,
or
has
un
usual
conditions
such
that
the
strict
application
of
these
regulations
would
result
in
substantial
hardship
or
inequity.
AA
So
the
first
hardship
is
in
order
for
us
to
add
the
sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
It
would
require
us
to
move
a
power
line
so
from
josh
who
works
at
idaho
power
and
is
a
distribution
designer.
He
says
in
regards
to
your
inquiry
on.
If
we
would
prefer
to
leave
the
poll
as
is
or
move
it
to
a
different
location,
I
would
have
to
answer.
We
would
prefer
to
leave
the
pollas
as
is
paul.
AA
Does
not
the
poll
does
serve
commercial
business
and
modifying
the
primary
feeds
would
be
a
lengthy
outage
and
would
require
after
hour
works
and
according
to
dr
guadalupe
gortez
cortez
aspen
dental,
we
quote
him
intermittent
power.
Outages
would
impact
at
least
240
patients
and
60
thousand
dollars
in
revenue
a
week.
The
intermittent
power
outages
would
prohibit
us
from
operating
properly.
Z
And
this
cyborg
cottage
at
211a,
overland,
road,
boisei
705.,
adam
chairman,
I
think
I'm
supposed
to
say
I
did
want
to
mention
real
quick-
that
aspen
dental
office
did
support
our
waiver.
However,
it's
going
through
the
legal
department
all
the
way
in
new
york
city
right
now,
and
that
process
is
long
and
we've
been
waiting
for
a
couple
weeks,
but
it
still
wasn't
done
in
time
for
today.
So
sorry
about
that
we're
trying
to
get
we're
trying
to
get
the
hard
the
concrete
evidence
there.
AA
So
here
are
pictures
of
the
power
line
and
how
they
interlink
with
each
other
and
removing
that
would
cause
those
power,
outages.
Hardship
number
two
is
in
order
to
add
the
sidewalk
urban
gutter.
We
need
to
remove
the
trees
in
the
east
and
south
side
of
this
property.
This
includes
four
large
old
trees
and
30
plus
other
trees
of
various
size.
This
process
does
go
against
the
city's
boise's
plan
to
increase
our
tree.
AA
Canopy
here
are
some
from
images
of
the
trees,
and
I
know
that
crystal
had
mentioned
that
you
know
they
thought
that
these
trees
were
nuisances,
but
we
actually
really
enjoyed
and
loved
this
landscape,
which
is
the
reason
why
we
wanted
this
property,
so
there's
some
massive
trees
and
then
here's
some
additional
pictures
of
the
medium-sized
trees.
AA
Here's
just
a
quick
clip
of
the
goal
of
the
city
of
tree
challenge,
just
stating
that
they're
trying
to
increase
the
canopy
and
add
additional
trees
to
the
city.
Hardship
number
three
to
accommodate
the
sidewalk
curve
and
gutter
would
also
have
to
be
removing
the
irrigation,
ditch.
That
runs
the
entire
length
of
our
property.
This
process
would
also
include
the
relocation
of
a
massive,
concrete
irrigation
box
and
the
removal
of
the
irrigation
head
wall.
AA
Z
You
guys
live
our
cattle
218
overland
road
again,
my
wife,
sorry,
my
wife
is
not
feeling
too
well.
Z
We
actually
wanted
to
be
in
this
presentation
in
person,
but
my
parents,
nancy
and
william
cottage
came
down
with
kovid
late
last
week
and
we
happen
to
have
dinner
with
them,
so
we're
in
quarantine
right
now,
but
we
did
want
to
be
there,
we're
taking
it
very
serious
and
my
wife's,
unfortunately
not
feeling
too
well,
but,
as
you
can
see
in
the
picture
of
the
art
ducks
there's
at
least
a
dozen
dogs
that
nest
there,
they
use
the
trees
for
refuge.
Z
So
I
I
mean
we
actually
talked
to
the
forest
department
as
well:
the
city
urban
one
they
came
out
and
inspected
it.
They
said
the
trees
were
all
amazing.
I
don't
know
what
crystal
got
a
report,
but
I'm
sure
it's
super
good.
Next
we're
going
to
go
into
the
inequity
portion
of
this-
and
this
is
just
a
from
ronald
hodge-
our
survey
department
manager
at
fox
line
surveys.
Yes,
the
cgs
does
the
cgs
do
improve
the
value,
but
only
for
163
feet.
Z
He
would
still
have
to
do
another
274
feet
that
will
not
improve
his
value.
The
estimate
is
75
100
for
improvements
not
including
land.
The
bank
does
not
like
to
loan
money
against
something
that
does
not
improve
the
value
of
our
home
conceptually.
We
agree
with
the
policy,
however,
we're
holding
individuals
to
the
same
standard
as
a
developer
developer,
we'll
have
multiple
lots
spread
to
cost
to
spread
the
cost
and
the
ability
to
recover.
Z
In
this
case,
it's
just
a
couple
trying
to
build
a
home,
raiser
kids
in
the
town
they
grow
up,
and
we
wonder
why
housing
is
80
overvalued
right
now.
The
this
does
not
help
things.
I'm
trying
to
talk
really
fast,
because
I
didn't
realize
it's
such
a
quick
time
frame,
but
here's
a
little
plot
thing
you
can
see.
This
is
a
really
wiggly
line,
but
I
tried
to
highlight,
as
straight
as
I
could,
of
our
property
and
the
other
part
that
doesn't
help
us
at
all.
Z
The
mass
majority
of
it
is
all
the
way
over
here
and
I
think
crystal's
presentation
failed
to
mention
that
this
runs
into
a
dead
end
as
well,
so
over
there.
In
equity,
2
frontal
improvement
requirements
is
based
on
the
assumption
of
significant
increase
in
development.
Our
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood,
is
not
like
other
neighborhoods.
We
are
composed
mostly
of
loop
rounds
and
dead-end
streets
with
no
quick
access
to
main
streets.
The
traffic
is
slim
to
none
in
our
neighborhood
and
the
need
for
such
an
expensive
undertaking
doesn't
make
sense.
Z
We
don't
even
have
a
school
or
park
in
our
area
and
actually,
with
our
flight
zone
impact,
we
can
never
have
a
flu.
Oh
I'm
gonna
get
to
that
right
now.
Just
wanted
to
highlight
airport
influence
area
b1
new
residence
development
is
limited.
Three
units
per
acre
and
no
new
schools
are
allowed
new
residents,
but
anyways.
You
can
read
that
for
yourselves,
but
I
know
crystal's
calculations,
so
four
homes
or
something
like
that
ours,
it's
being
in
the
flight
impact
area,
it's
actually
only
three
per
acre.
Z
So
hopefully
it's
not
as
massive
of
a
increase
as
it
showed
up
there
and
then
there's
more
on
the
flight
impact
zone.
Based
on
the
b1a
influence
zone.
You
can
only
develop
three
homes
per
acre.
Debbie
lasher's
is
.91
acres.
We
would
be
able
to
develop
2.73,
so
if
this
wave
is
approved,
then
we
can
move
forward
to
building
our
home
and
I
don't
think
there'll
ever
be
a
0.73
home
out
there,
but
we'd
pretty
much
be
at
max
capacity
there.
Z
Our
neighborhood
is
comprised
of
similar
lots
with
limitations
on
development,
for
the
exact
same
reasons.
Yes,
there
is
a
new
neighborhood
going
up
the
street.
It
is
a
3.2
acre
lot
zone
c1,
which
is
an
even
higher
density
zoning,
but
with
the
restrictions
of
flight
impact,
they
were
only
able
to
build
nine
homes.
On
there
I
mean
this
is
by
far
the
largest
partial,
our
neighborhood,
which
is
now
gone,
so
I
don't
see
future
development
taking
off
too
much
there.
Z
Interest
does
not
always
mean
follow
through.
This
message
was
resonated
by
scott
pierce
construction
supervisor
operations
at
suez
water.
He
said
that
many
people
have
called
an
interest
in
connecting
to
city
water,
but
once
they
find
out
the
price,
nothing
comes
of
it.
City.
Water
connections
is
one
of
the
requirements
of
the
minor
land
division.
Currently
only
our
lot
and
the
new
subdivision
has
connection
to
the
city,
water.
Z
Even
if
the
water
runs
across
the
front
of
the
property,
they'd
have
to
pay
half
the
cost
of
water
extension,
which
is
still
in
a
five
figure
number
to
give
you
an
idea
of
this
cost.
Extending
city
water
across
200
feet
cost
us
35
000.
This
does
not
include
any
of
the
other
additional
costs
and
improvements
of
the
minor
land
division.
That's
just
that
one
alone.
Z
This
is
a
quick
example
of
an
improvement
of
a
waiver
that
was
denied
and
then
approved
later.
AA
Z
Yeah
and
they
only
had
to
move
an
irrigation
at
a
much
smaller
distance
and,
as
you
can
see
where
this
house
sits
right
here,
there's
a
new
neighborhood,
these
ormond
street
cottages,
the
sidewalk,
went
right
up
to
the
land.
They
only
have
about
100
feet
to
do
much
more
than
what
we're
doing,
and
it's
still
got
to
prove
so
as
some
instances
the
the
city
does
take
that
into
consideration
as
far
as
diminishing
the
quality
and
characteristics
of
our
neighborhood,
our
neighborhood
streets
are
primarily
lined
with
very
old
and
large
trees.
Z
Additionally,
a
large
percentage
of
our
neighborhoods
comprised
of
horse
owners
and
small
farm
type
animals,
the
trees
and
animals
are
special
characteristics.
We
all
hold
deer.
We
have
a
small
countryside,
feel
that
we'd
like
to
protect
so
looking
down
the
road
any
direction
you
go
in,
our
neighborhood
every
street
is
lined
with
these
trees.
That
crystal
mentioned
were
undesirable,
but
we
certainly
love
them
and
we'd
actually
be
removing
quite
a
small
ecosystem.
If
these
were
all
one
day,
sidewalks
instead
of
trees
and.
Z
Oh
yeah,
you
can
see
right
here.
There's
an
adjacent
corner
to
us
crystal
met
showed
this
as
well.
There's
no
sidewalks
there
as
well.
My
wife
wants
me
to
skip
that
one.
So,
in
conclusion,
at
pretty
much
every
level
in
our
research
process,
every
company
and
person
agrees
that
the
work,
the
work
is
not
needed
and
agree
that
companies
would
prefer
to
see
the
waiver
approved
from
idaho
power
to
a
fox
survey
group
surrounding
businesses
ourselves
and
our
neighbors
achd
is
not
requiring
it
as
well.
C
Did
great,
thank
you,
okay.
So
next
I
would
ask
to
see
if
we
have
a
representative
from
the
south
cole
neighborhood
association
to
speak
on
this
item,
seeing
none
then
we'll
move
on
to
questions
from
the
commission
for
staff
for
the
applicant.
C
E
Crystal
so,
the
concept
of
a
meandering
sidewalk
is
not
something
I
think
we've
been
talking
about
at
all,
we're
pretty
much
assuming
an
attached
five-foot
standard
right
on
the
edge
of
pavement
kind
of
a
sidewalk,
whereas
especially
on
the
utility
poles.
There's
no
reason
on
the
earth.
We
can't
meander
around
that.
That's
exactly
the
purpose
of
it.
There
are
also
seemingly
some
of
the
trees
that
might
also
be
kind
of
in
that
general
line
of
past.
So
why
is
that?
E
W
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
dan
lee,
that
is
a
possibility.
There's
plenty
of
space
on
this
property
and
within
the
right-of-way
to
move
around
those.
E
C
Okay,
seeing
then
at
this
point,
then
we
would
move
to
public
testimony.
I
don't
think
we
have
anybody
present
for
that,
but
if
you
are
online
and
would
like
to
testify
in
this
item,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none.
C
Then
this
would
be
the
opportunity
for
the
applicant
to
give
a
five
minute
rebuttal
and
mr
katich,
you
are
welcome
to
use
that
time,
but
we
haven't
had
opposition.
So
you're
also
welcome
to
waive
that
time.
Z
C
Thank
you,
mr
cotich.
Okay,
so
with
that
we'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing-
and
the
item
is
now
before
the
commission.
E
I
moved
that
application
item
sos
21-23
be
denied
for
the
reasons
and
purposes
and
reasons
in
the
staff
report.
C
Was
that
a
second
from
commissioner
moore?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
great
second
from
commissioner
moore.
Is
there
a
discussion
sure.
E
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
dan
lee
result
to
the
applicant.
Certainly
don't
hang
your
your
head
on
on
your
job
presenting
this
evening,
I
thought
you
did
a
great
job.
I
thought
you
did
a
really
excellent
job
of
collecting
all
kinds
of
really
good
and
relevant
information,
and
in
fact
I
think
I'll
speak
for
myself.
E
I
agree
with
a
bit
of
what
you
said,
which
is
precisely
the
point
of
why
a
meandering
sidewalk
at
times
works
perfectly,
and
that
is
to
avoid
the
very
things
that
was
were
discussed
and
that
you
raised,
which
is
in
in
one
case
the
power
poles.
They
don't
need
to
be
moved.
You
just
move
the
sidewalk
around
them
in
certain
cases.
That's
okay!
E
Let
me
make
one
more
point:
76
76
is
the
number
of
lane
miles
that
achd
currently
has
in
sidewalk
gaps
throughout
ada
county
that
they
are
tasked
with
filling
every
single
time
that
we,
as
a
city
of
boise,
add
to
that
by
going
forth
and
approving
a
waiver
to
our
own
code
just
makes
that
burden
greater
and
longer,
and
unfortunately,
with
this
application,
I
totally
understand
it
is
usually
a
size
of
this
property
of
this
size
is
typically
subdivided
and
has
you
know
many
more
units
that
are
being
proposed
as
opposed
to
this
one,
which
is
one.
E
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
rock
and
a
hard
place.
But
this
kit,
this
particular
parcel,
goes
to
an
incredibly
important
arterial
and
it
gets
us
internal
of
that
street
system,
and
so,
therefore,
it
is
a
very
vital
piece
in
the
walkability
network
that
we're
trying
to
build
through
all
of
the
different
land
uses
and
transportation
system
in
it.
So,
for
those
reasons,
I'm
going
to
stick
with
the
recommendation
to
deny.
K
I'm
sure
push
for
more
I'll,
be
supporting
the
motion
and
yeah.
I
mean
I
totally
understand
the
applicant's
position
for
one
house
like,
like
commissioner
dan
lee
stated.
I
mean
this
size
lot.
K
We
might
imagine
more
houses
on
a
lot
this
size,
but
as
it
stands,
I
mean
you
know-
I
think
we've
said
it
previously,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
provide
connectivity
that
may
not
happen
in
years
and
using
adjacent
properties
as
a
reason
not
to
provide
that
connectivity
we'll
just
continue
to
keep
it
keep
sidewalks
out
of
those
neighborhoods
where
we
want
them.
K
It
sets
an
unfortunate
precedent
in
terms
of
the
waiver
that
was
denied
or
the
waiver
that
was
approved
previously.
K
You
know
each
of
these
waivers
is
such
a
specific
situation
that
she
reviewed
that
basing
it
off
of
another
waiver
is
just
so
difficult
because
those
conditions
were
very
different
likely
and
in
a
different
location,
with
different
kind
of
factors,
and
then,
in
terms
of
moving
the
power
lines
resulting
in
business
outages.
K
I
out
of
power
is
familiar
with
this
process.
I
imagine
that
they
do
this
very
often
and
so
losing
power
for
something
like
this
is
something
that
I
wouldn't
consider
necessarily
a
unique
factor
to
this
property
and
something
that
I
don't
know
power.
Couldn't
you
factor
in
in
their
process
as
well.
So
with
all
those
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
C
C
You
know
owner
landowners
come
and
go
and,
as
commissioner
moore
stated,
we
are
doing
our
best
to
build
a
better
boise
for
many
generations
to
come
beyond
current
owners.
So
we
have
to
make
decisions
with
that
in
mind.
C
So
with
that,
we
have
a
motion
to
deny
item
number
six,
sos
21-23
for
hmh
engineering
at
8410,
west
vincent
street.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote,
then
all
right,
squires.
F
C
Thank
you,
mr
cottage,
and
it
was
a
very
nice
presentation.
You
did
great
okay.
So
moving
on
to
our
last
item,
this
is
item
number
nine
for
car
21-27
for
babcock
design
at
818
west
in
morrison
park
drive
a
rezone
of
1.16
acres,
also
cop
21-48,
at
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
height
exception,
associated
with
the
proposed
multi-family
building
and
we'll
start
with
staff.
G
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
can
keep
this
presentation
pretty
brief.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
anyone
signed
up
online
at
this
point
I'll
just
go
over
the
brief
project
request
and
if
you
have
any
questions
I'll
stand
for
questions.
G
G
C
H
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
jeff
wardle,
my
address
is
251
east
front
here
in
boise
suite
310.
My
associate
has
made
a
phenomenal
powerpoint
that
I
just
choose
not
to
show
you
tonight,
because
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
conditions
set
forth
in
the
staff
report.
There
are
really
only
three
things
that
I
want
to
raise
and
these
go
to
the
bigger
the
bigger
issue
here.
H
Just
does
not
align
with
what
it
takes
to
build
a
multi-family
structure
and
in
fact
the
the
demarcating
height
is
75
feet,
because
that's
where
we
start
to
have
some
fundamental
changes
in
our
code.
So
as
we
go
forward,
we've
we've
raised
this
before,
but
we
would
strongly
consider
the
city
of
boise
when
it
looks
at
its
rod
zone
to
contemplate,
taking
that
height
to
75
feet
in
height,
just
to
allow
you
to
be
able
to
build.
You
know
a
typical
five
over
one
or
six
over
one
and
and
make
it
fit.
H
Gardner
company
and
dave
wally
have
brought
this
project
forward
because
they
own
both
the
papa
joe's
building
and
the
other
little
building
there.
That's
got
the
textbook
exchange
and
recognize
the
importance
of
reusing
a
surface
parking
lot
to
increase
the
residential
density
of
this
neighborhood
and
then
the
third
thing
is.
H
We
recognize
the
concerns
that
were
articulated
by
some
neighbors,
as
well
as
the
neighborhood
association
about
parking,
but
we're
not
requesting
any
deviation
from
what
the
parking
standards
are,
and
in
fact
we
all,
I
think,
know
and
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
commit
too
many
resources
in
this
valley
to
cars
into
parking.
So
we
are
in
total
agreement
with
the
conditions
of
approval.
H
C
Thank
you,
mr
wordle,
okay,
great
well
before
we
get
to
questions
I'll,
just
ask
to
see.
If
we
have
a
representative
from
the
lusk
neighborhood,
less
district,
neighborhood
association,
okay,
seeing
then
then
we'll
move
to
questions
from
the
commission
for
staff
for
the
applicant.
K
Moore,
so
I
have
a
couple
of
questions,
so
the
first
one
is
about
the
height
extension.
It
looks
like
that's
just
about
the
mechanical
and
seems
like
in
some
city
codes.
That's
included
in
kind
of
just
their
standard
height
restrictions,
a
certain
amount
of
mechanical
exceeding
that
to
some
extent,
is
that
that's
not
included
in
our
city
code
at
all.
G
K
Madam
chair
pretty
sure
more
additional,
so
I
was
looking
at
the
site
plan,
in
particular
the
plan
on
page
479
of
our
packet,
and
it
looks
like
there's
some,
and
this
may
just
be
where
the
levels
are,
are
fitting.
K
G
Yeah,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore
there
is
a
proposal
for
tandem
parking
within
the
podium
parking
structured
space.
The
tandem
spaces
are
something
that
will
ultimately
be
decided
and
reviewed
with
our
design
review
application.
With
the
initial
conceptual
plan.
Staff
is
supportive
of
the
tandem
design,
as
it
does
not
impact
neighboring
properties
and
really
the
nature
of
this
proposal
for
essentially
student
housing.
G
That
there
is
it
would
the
nature
of
it
is
that
students
could
park
for
a
longer
term.
In
this
case,
proximity
to
bsu
and
public
transportation
would
also
support
the
use
of
the
tandem.
H
And
madam
chairman,
commissioner
moore,
if
I
may
I
mean
we,
obviously
we
have
experience
managing
tandem
stalls
and
it's
one
of
those
things
that
we're
sensitive
to
because
but
for
the
reasons
staff
is
articulated.
I
don't
think
that
you
would
necessarily
propose
tandem
spaces,
but
we
think
it
it
enables
you
because
of
the
nature
of
this
use
and
the
nature
of
the
design.
We
think
it's
appropriate
it's
manageable,
because
these
are
not
uses
where
if
you
are
having
to
tandem
park,
you
know
you
have
that
degree
of
immediacy
that
you
would
in
another
parking
structure.
C
E
So
the
true,
the
true
mixed
use
element
of
this
is
essentially
the
1200
square
foot
ish
proposed
coffee
shop.
My
question
is
so
that's
that's
basically,
you
know
60
by
20
kind
of
a
space
right.
Is
it
possible
for
that
to
be
larger,
to
be
a
little
more
significant,
given
the
scope
and
size
of
this
building.
H
Madam
chairman,
commissioner
danley
I
have
to
defer
and
I'll
invite
our
architect
up,
but
remember
this
owner
also
owns
the
7
500
square
feet
of
retail.
That's
also
right
there,
and
so
when,
when
staff
and
everybody
goes
oh,
it
needs
to
be
a
mixed-use
project.
We
recognize
that
there
needs
to
be
mixed-use
elements
because
it
needs
to
enliven
the
parking
it
needs
to
enliven
the
the
streetscape.
H
That's
why
we're
doing
it,
but
the
notion
that
it's,
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
the
entire
block
and
you
already
have
other
retail
services
there,
which
will
be
be
benefited
to
it.
So
we've
been
highly
sensitive
to
what
lusk
looks
like
that
at
the
ground
floor,
it's
going
to
have
the
lobby,
it's
you're
not
going
to
have
the
parking
there
and
that
we're
going
to
have
that
portion
there,
that
is,
for
the
coffee
shop,
but
because
of
the
dimensions
of
the
site
and
to
be
able
to
make
the
parking
fit.
H
You
know
as
a
practical
matter,
there's
not
a
lot
more
retail
space
that
needs
to
be
had
right
there
and
again,
I
can
also
have
mr
wally
comes
up.
Who
owns
both
retail
buildings
on
both
frontages
of
capital
boulevard?
There
part
of
the
rationale
for
bringing
this
project
forward
is
that
when
you
look
at
all
three
of
those
properties,
you're
going
to
have
this
building,
plus
the
existing
15
000
square
feet
of
retail.
That
are
right
there
at
that
intersection,
and
we
think
it's
appropriate
to
look
at
it.
In
total.
H
E
Okay
manager,
commissioner
danley,
hopefully
I
wore
this
correctly.
Last
week
we
had
on
the
consent
agenda.
Another
item,
another
large
building,
another
student
housing
project
same
neighborhood.
This
is.
Z
E
Bedrooms
if
the
calculation
is
correct-
and
I
know
that
the
lusk
neighborhood
association,
the
residents
that
live
there-
full
time
not
semester
or
even
for
one
year
time
continually
saying
and
express
their
concern-
that
none
of
the
units
are
able
to
be
leased
to
folks
who
are
non-students,
and
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
address
that.
Is
there
any
opportunity
well
for
anything
like
that.
V
David
wally
49
04,
north
mountainside,
lane
boys,
idaho,
to
your
question.
V
We
also
don't
see
that
college
college
population
and
young
adult
population
in
their
first
years
out
of
college
are
really
good
mixes
and
boise
state
would
like
for
us
as
we're
doing
this,
to
be
something
that
would
gear
towards
the
university
in
a
very
educational,
positive
format
which
is
to
have
you
know
some
level
of
their
guidance
in
what
we
build,
how
we
build
it
so
we're
staying
in
close
contact
with
them
on
that
front,
they're
not
going
to
be
happy
with
us
mixing
their
population
with
just
anybody.
O
C
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
further
questions.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
seeing
no
further
questions
we'll
now
move
to
public
testimony.
Do
we
have
anybody
in
person
or
online
that
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item?
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
just
come
on
up
to
the
podium.
C
Okay.
Seeing
then,
then,
at
this
point
we
would
move
back
to
rebuttal
from
the
applicant,
which
would
be
five
minutes,
but
there's
not
been.
O
K
C
E
C
Great,
we
have
a
second
from
commissioner
danley.
Commissioner
moore,
would
you
like
to
start
the
discussion
absolutely
so.
K
My
biggest,
I
supported
the
project.
I
understand
you
know
with
the
direct
connection
to
the
university
student
housing
right
here
really
does
make
sense,
and
I
understand
the
developer
looking
at
this
kind
of
as
a
holistic
sort
of
area
with
the
commercial
and
the
residential
right
there.
That
also
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
I
do
like
that
kind
of
coffee
shop
area.
I
think
that
makes
sense
right
there.
It
connects
that
sort
of
existing
commercial
and
ties
it
back
into
more.
K
Some
part
kind
of
draws
people
besides
students
down
there
a
little
bit
further,
and
I
think
that's
important.
K
My
reason
to
remove
the
ore
in
the
development
agreement
is
just
to
to
make
sure
that
that
commercial
space
really
does
stay,
because
I
do
think
it's
important
to
try
to
get
people
a
little
bit
further
in
in
terms
of
the
commercial
space
and
mix
those
uses
a
little
bit
further,
even
if
it
is
so
minor
as
that
small
coffee
shop,
I
think
that's
important
so
with
that
I'll
support
the
project.
C
E
So
I'm
going
to
support
the
project,
but
I'm
I'm
doing
it
a
little
bit
reluctantly
and
the
reasons
are
one.
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
that
we
didn't
hear
from
the
folks
who
wrote
in
and
and
the
specific
issues
that
were
raised
in
our
staff
report.
But
my
my
hesitation
is
is
not
necessarily
with
this
project.
It's
its
bigger
picture
than
that,
and
I,
and
I
personally
feel
like
bsu-
is
not
solving
their
own
housing
problems
and
what
I
hear,
what
I
see
happening
is
the
lusk.
E
Neighborhood
is
that's
where
all
of
the
housing
is
going.
That's
where
all
the
student
housing
is
going,
and
so
we
we
asked
the
neighborhood
association
to
participate
and
give
us
their
thoughts.
But
it
seemed
like
to
me
that
that
neighborhood
is
just
taking
more
and
more
of
the
brunt
of
this,
this
student
housing
and
that's
not
any
that's,
not
any
statement
against
the
students
whatsoever,
but
it's
definitely
not
a
permanent
home.
O
E
Not
a
resident
per
se,
it's
more
of
the
dorm
type
of
a
feel
you're
renting
out
by
the
room,
and
it's
again
it's
not
just
this
application.
So
it's
a
bigger
picture
that
I
I
think
that
we
as
a
city-
I
I
hope,
can
recognize
this
and
we
need
workforce
housing.
This
area
is
so
incredibly
valuable
to
the
proximity
of
right
where
we
are
in
downtown,
it's
a
hop,
skip
and
a
jump.
E
It's
a
transit,
it's
a
short
one-hot
bus
ride
to
get
into
downtown,
that's
the
type
of
housing
that
we
also
need,
not
just
student
housing
and
again,
not
against
the
applicant
here.
But
this
this
this
area
to
me,
I'm
hopeful
that
we
start
to
see
more
permanent
resident
housing,
not
just
student
housing.
So
that's
me
on
a
soapbox
I
apologize,
but
ultimately
I
will
support
the
project.
C
Great
okay,
so,
commissioner
moore,
if
I
can
just
clarify
with
you,
the
change
is
to
change
and
or
to
just
and
is
that
right,
correct
on
items
on
4a
the
last
morrison
park.
Frontages
shall
consist
of
multi-family
amenities
that
line
yes,
okay,
great
okay,
so
we
have
before
us
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
car
21-27
at
818,
west
and
morrison
park,
drive
and
approve
cop
21-48,
the
conditional
use
permit,
and
to
with
the
change
in
the
development
agreement
for
number
four,
a
that
would
read
the
alaskan
and
morrison
park.
C
Frontage's
shell
consists
of
multi-family
amenities
and
commercial
space
with
street
activation.
Yes,
did
I
get
that
wrong?
4B.