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A
B
B
E
C
No
one
will
ever
know
all
right
so
happy
new
year,
everyone.
Hopefully
you
had
a
good
holiday
good
new
year.
I
know
I
organized
my
closets,
that's
what
I
did
this
for
the
holiday
all
right.
So
for
tonight's
hearing
we've
got,
I
think,
three
items
that
were
expected
to
hear
so
number
one
zoa
20-4
code
amendment
we
do
have
some
opposition,
so
we'll
be
hearing
that
one
number
two
cp
20-55
on
fairview
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
drive-through
window.
C
B
Hey
celine,
sorry,
I
have
a
question.
Can
you
please
remind
me,
do
we
hear
public
testimony
for
item
number
one?
If
there
is
any
yes.
G
C
C
Cp
20-52
is
a
cp
for
a
single-family
home
on
franklin
downtown.
We
were
recommending
approval.
C
We
are
recommending
denial
so
we'll
hear
that
one
we
did
have
one
person
sign
up
in
advance
for
that
and
number
seven
modification
to
a
development
agreement
and
a
pud
for
40
units
on
florence
drive.
C
C
Okay,
good
talk.
Thank
you
all
right.
We,
I
guess
we
can
break
for
another
10
minutes
and
we'll
see
you
back
here
at
six
great
things.
B
C
B
B
B
B
C
C
C
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
C
If
the
chat
function
isn't
available
for
you,
you
can
email
zoning
info
at
cityofboise.org
with
any
technical
issues.
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
C
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony
starting
those
with
those
in
person.
We
do
have
a
few
in
person,
people
here
tonight
and
then
those
who
signed
up
online
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
each
member
of
the
public,
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony.
We
are
strict
with
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code.
C
Finally,
the
applicant
is
allowed
up
to
five
minutes
for
rebuttal,
after
which
the
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision.
Tonight's
agenda
and
proceedings
might
have
a
bit
of
a
delay
as
we
all
navigate
through
the
technology.
Please
be
courteous
and
kind
while
we
venture
through
this
hybrid
format.
Madam
chair,
you
have
the.
B
Floor,
thank
you
saline.
We
are
citizen,
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
conditional
use,
permits,
variances
and
appeals
and
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
subdivisions,
rezones,
annexations
and
code
or
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
B
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
that
you
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
B
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
That
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
H
B
Present,
thank
you,
okay.
So
the
first
item
for
consideration
of
the
consent
agenda
is
item
number
two.
This
is
cup
20-55
for
twisted
sugar.
It's
at
10804,
west
fairview
avenue.
A
conditional
use
permit
for
a
drive-through
window
is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
hi
jiren,
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
C
Hand,
madam
chair,
we
have
a
jay
that
has
her
hand
raised,
but
I
believe
his
hand's
been
raised
earlier.
I'm
just
going
to
unmute
him
real
quick,
so
we
can
find
perfect.
Oh.
B
And
I
went
away
his
hands
down,
never
mind
okay,
so
seeing
nobody
is
here
to
testify.
In
opposition
of
this
item,
we'll
place
item
number
two
onto
the
consent
agenda.
B
B
It
looks
like
you're,
oh
there
we
go
great,
thank
you
and
is
there
anybody
present
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this
item.
B
Tonight
please
virtually
raise
your
hand,
okay,
seeing
none.
Then
we
will
place
item
four
on
the
consent
agenda
and
sorry
that
was
item
number
three
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
four.
This
is
cop
20-52
for
curtis
mckenzie
at
412,
west
franklin
street.
This
is
a
conditional
use.
Permit
for
a
single
family
home
is
the
applicant
present.
J
B
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
place
item
four
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
five.
This
is
sos
20-26
for
sawtooth
land
surveying
at
9798,
west,
arnold
road,
arnold
road.
This
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision.
Ordinance
requirement
to
construct
curb
and
gutter
is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
B
Okay,
so
I
don't
see
anybody
here
so
I'll
still
see.
Is
there
anybody
from
the
public
that
is
here
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this.
B
Item:
okay,
seeing
them,
then
we
will
place
item
five
on
the
consent
agenda
and
that's
the
end
of
the
the
consent
agenda.
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
D
B
Great,
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
Do
we
have
a
second
second?
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Finfrock.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote.
G
B
B
Great
okay,
thank
you.
So
now
we're
gonna
start
with
hearing
item
number
one,
and
I
will
welcome
mr
wilson
as
the
staff
to
present
the
item.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
commission
I'll
share
my
screen.
K
The
city
of
boise
planning
development
services
is
a
is
proposing
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
ordinance
section
110303.
In
relation
to
specific
procedures.
We
would
propose
changes
to
the
required
neighborhood
meeting
notice,
mailed
notices
and
site
posting
for
specific
types
of
applications.
K
There
was
a
work
group
consisting
of
members
of
the
community
and
city
leadership
that
took
a
look
at
the
way
that
we
do
things
like
neighborhood
meetings,
mailed
notices
and
site
postings.
K
We
have
been
working
with
those
changes
for
a
year
and
city
leadership
directed
us
to
take
a
look
at
those
improvements
to
the
process
in
place
and
see
how
they're
working
and
what
additional
improvements
could
be
made
through
that
process.
Staff
has
identified
that
there
are
some
additional
changes
to
the
to
the
specific
procedures
section
of
the
ordinance
that
we
would
like
to
propose.
K
All
of
the
effective
parties
are
required
to
sign
off
on
that
notice,
so
the
12-day
period
to
wait
to
submit
that
application
is
unnecessary.
So
we
propose
eliminating
that.
We
would
also
propose
to
increase
the
male
notice
radius
to
500
feet
for
specific
types
of
applications
and
those
are
comprehensive,
planned
land
use,
map
amendments,
annexations
and
rezones
special
exceptions,
subdivisions
greater
than
five
acres
condition,
use
permits
grade,
one
acre
and
plenty
of
developments
greater
than
one
acre.
K
The
neighborhood
meeting
notice
should
be
changed
to
align
with
the
required
mail
notice
of
the
public
hearing,
so
we
would
propose
that
change.
Additionally,
we
would
propose
to
increase
the
signs
posted
for
category
three
hillside
grading
work
sessions
to
four
feet
by
four
feet:
to
align
with
the
size
of
signs
required
for
annexations
and
rezones.
K
Unit
developments,
which
often
do
which
are
often
associated
with
those
category
three
hillside
grading
session,
so
that
the
increase
in
size
makes
sense
for
those
applications
and
finally,
we
would
propose
eliminating
posted
sign
requirements
and
mailed
notice
on
four
large
subdivisions
within
specific
plan
areas.
K
I
will
note
that
we
have
received
some
public
testimony
in
regards
to
the
last
item
in
opposition
to
that
change.
There
is
some
included
in
the
packet.
There
are
some
included
in
late
correspondence
and
there
is
some
court
and
there
is
a
letter
from
the
barber
valley,
neighborhood
association,
that,
due
to
some
technical
difficulties,
we
did
not
receive
prior
to
the
hearing.
So
I'd
like
to
quickly
summarize
the
contents
of
that
letter-
and
I
also
believe
their
representative
is
on
the
call
tonight
to
speak
to
this.
K
The
barber
valley,
neighborhood
association,
recognizes
that
extensive
previous
public
outreach
regarding
the
specific
plans
has
taken
place.
However,
one
of
our
observations
regarding
the
specific
plans
is
they
can
be
too
rigid
and
limit
the
opportunity
for
the
city
and
developer
to
incorporate
emerging
best
practices
into
city
code.
We
believe
a
robust
public
notification
process
should
be
retained
to
a
specific
plan
areas
to
inform
new
neighbors
in
the
specific
plan
areas
of
these
subdivisions.
K
That's
largely
a
summary
of
their
comments,
but
they
are
opposed
to
the
final
item
that
we
would
include
in
the
amendment
regarding
the
posted
notices
and
mailed
notices
for
the
large
subdivisions
within
specific
plan
areas
with
that
the
planning
team
does
approve
a
recommend
approval
of
the
ordinance
amendment
and
the
action
tonight
would
be
a
recommendation
to
city
council.
With
that,
I
would
stand
for
any
questions
from
the
commission.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
thanks,
mr
wilson,
so
first
we're
going
to
before
questions
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
neighborhood
associations.
Can
I
have
anybody
that
is
a
designated
representative
of
their
neighborhood
association
who's
here
to
speak
on
this
item
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood,
to
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
B
B
Hi
steve
looks
like
you're
back
on
as
a
panelist,
so
you
can
unmute
and
even
turn
on
your
video
or
share
your
screen.
Whatever
is
best.
L
Oops
lower
down
here,
so
you
can
see
me
a
little
bit
well.
Thank
you
very
much
commissioners
and
for
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
this,
as
we
mentioned
in
our
letter,
thanks
for
for
getting
that,
I
suppose,
with
the
holidays,
things
got
I'm.
L
Okay,
it's
steve
moore,
2920,
south
shady
woodway,
boise,
idaho,
representing
barbara
valley,
neighborhood
association.
Great,
thank
you.
L
I
agree
with
josh
read
the
first
part
of
our
letter
there
and
we
did
think
highly
of
three
of
the
four
recommendations
to
kind
of
simplify
the
process,
but
we've
just
kind
of
noticed,
even
though
these
specific
plans
go
on
for
years
in
the
planning
process,
it
does
seem
like
particularly
new
neighbors
to
the
area,
can
kind
of
miss
out
on
what
what's
really
going
on
and
just
having
a
big
sign
out.
L
There
does
kind
of
get
people's
recognition
as
they're
driving
by
and
with
the
new
spo3
in
syringa
valley,
there's
very
few
residents
out
there.
So
I
think
you
know
it
would
be
better
to
have
it
larger
have
a
little
more
public
participation.
L
Sometimes
there
is
an
opportunity
to
make
an
amendment
as
as
maybe
practices
with
planning
have
changed
and
improved
over
time.
So
it
gives
us
a
little
more
of
an
opportunity
to
to
chime.
In
there
at
that
point,
so
sp03
is
still
pretty
early
in
the
process,
and
you
know
I
think
it
needs
full
public
engagement
and
if
it
means
just
having
a
bigger
sign
up
there,
we
you
know
we
just
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
as
the
plan
evolves,
hopefully
it'll
get
more
neighborhood
involvement.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
moore.
So
next
we'll
move
to
questions
from
the
commission
for
either
staff
or
or
the
neighborhood.
I'm
commissioner
gillespie.
A
Thank
you,
madam
chairman,
mr
moore,
thank
you
for
for
joining
us
a
quick
question,
mr
moore,
so
so
this
is
really
just
about
subdivision
applications
and,
as
the
city
stated,
I
think
correctly
when,
when
a
subdivision
application
is
made
as
long
as
it
meets
the
dimensional
standards
of.
A
Plan
it's
sort
of
an
audit
approval;
in
other
words,
we
actually
don't
have
approval
criteria
at
the
commission
level
as
long
as
all
of
the
technical
requirements
for
the
subdivision
are
met.
So
it's
not
a
great
that
particular
hearing
or
process
isn't
really
a
great
venue
or
process
for
discussing
changes
to
a
comp
plan
or
a
specifically
adopted
plan.
A
So
I
just
I
and-
and
this
has
come
up
a
time
or
two-
I
think
the
commission
will
remember
when
we-
you
know
we'd
have
a
subdivision.
It
fit
everything,
but
the
barber
valley
association
wanted
to
change
really
what
was
some
unrelated
part
of
the
plan
and
it's
hard
for
us
to
handle
that.
So
I
guess
mr
moore,
I'm
wondering,
is
you
know?
What's
your
advice
to
the
commission
on
on
this
point,
given
that
you
know
the
nature
of
that
subdivision
application.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
commissioner
gillespie.
I
appreciate
your
comment
there.
I
just
it
just
seems
like
these
things
go
on
for
years,
we've
been
involved
with
the
developer
pretty
extensively
and
as
well
as
the
planning
department
and
in
these
subdivisions
are
coming
up
and
often
it's
kind
of
hard
to
find
a
point
where
it's
good
to
raise
our
hand
and
participate
in
the
process.
L
A
Whatever
the
issue
is
to
answer
your
question
and
I
think
other
commissioners
might
chime
in
with
questions
or
comments,
but
you
as
as
the
neighborhood
association
or
really
anybody.
You
can
always
come
forward
with
a
proposed
amendment
to
any
of
those
sp1
sbo2
plans
right.
You
don't
have
to
wait
for
a
subdivision
or
a
cup
in
that
area
to
to
bring
up
the
issues
that
are
on
your
mind.
In
fact,
bringing
it
up
in
a
subdivision
hearing
is
kind
of
difficult
because
we
can't
really
grapple
with
it
usually
very
easily.
L
Yeah,
I
understand,
maybe
we
just
need
to
come
forth
in
a
different
venue
then,
and
we're.
M
K
Madam
chair,
commissioner
finfrock,
really
it's
the
you.
I
think
commissioner
gillespie
did
a
good
job
of
pointing
out
that
you
know
the
neighborhoods
could
bring
forward
specific
plan
amendments
at
any
time
which
would
have
significant
noticing
public
outreach
beyond
that.
K
It
would
really
be
at
the
formation
of
the
specific
plan
during
that
public
process,
which
is
extensive
and
involves-
and
I
think
mr
moore
was
correct
in
pointing
out
that
in
instances
like
the
serena
valley,
there
are
probably
limited
folks
that
participate,
but
it
does
involve
significant
community
outreach
outreach
with
this
commission
and
with
city
leadership
about
that
plan.
So
those
would
be
the
times
when
that
public
input
would
would
be
more
appropriate.
I
would
say.
M
B
Thank
you,
okay,
great,
so
next
we
would
move
on
to
anybody
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
testify.
Do
we
have
if
you're
interested
in
testifying
on
this
item
tonight,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
Okay,
I
am
seeing
none
so
next
we
would
move
on
to
a
rebuttal
from
the
applicant.
Mr
wilson,
do
you
have
any
more
to
add,
based
on
the
comments
you
heard.
K
Madam
chair,
I
do
not
I
appreciate
mr
moore's
time
and
and
comments
and
the
commission's
time
as
well.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
yes
and,
mr
moore,
we
definitely
appreciate
you
coming
out
to
be
a
part
of
the
process.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
at
this
point
we
will
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
the
item
is
before
the
commission.
Madam.
M
A
Buzzer
in
jeopardy,
so
I
seconded
it,
but
I
would
like
to
discuss
I'm
very
okay
recommending
deleting
the
fourth
point
to
the
city
council.
A
I
still
think
it's
okay,
because
it
gives
it
gives
people
who
who
aren't
really
following
this
process,
very
closely
an
opportunity
to
dialogue
with
the
city
about
those
issues.
So
if
the
original
motion
maker
and
the
council
or
the
commission
wants
to,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
support
dropping.
That
idea
of
that
was
the
fourth
point
that
that
you
know
mr
moore
didn't
agree
with.
M
Yeah,
I
can
definitely
drop
that
fourth
point.
I
think
that
commissioner
gillespie
brings
up
a
good
point.
In
that
I
mean
anytime.
We
provide
more
notice
to
neighborhoods
or
the
surrounding
area.
I
think
it's
always
a
good
thing
I
mean
disclosure
is,
is
important,
especially
you
know
I
sometimes
I'll
be
walking
my
dog
and
come
across
a
notice
and
read
it
and
I'm
you
know
I
wasn't
even
in
the
vicinity
to
get
the
notice
originally
or
even
be
aware
of
what
was
going
on
so
I'm.
I
definitely
concur
with
that.
Commissioner.
Gillespie.
D
I'm
in
favor
of
the
motion,
I'm
also
in
favor
of
striking
that
fourth
point
as
well.
I
think
that
there's
absolutely
no
harm
in
the
additional
notifications.
I
mean
I
understand
where
staff's
coming
from
and
wanting
to
be
efficient
with
staff
time
and
even
applicant
time
for
that
matter,
but
I
agree
that
there's
certainly
no
harm
and
additional
notifications
and
giving
the
community
time
to
digest.
You
know
what's
happening
in
their
in
their
neighborhood.
I
think
that's
a
positive.
J
J
The
I
agree
with
the
motion
and
with
striking
item
number
four
yeah
it,
even
if
it
does
comply
entirely
with
the
specific
area
plan,
just
giving
people
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
They
might
not
have
known
that
that
specific
area
plan
existed
in
the
first
place,
so
just
more
involvement,
more
knowledge
and
where
they're
living,
I
think,
yeah,
never
a
bad
thing.
B
Great
commissioner
gillespie.
A
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
finfrock,
can
I
please
amend
my
motion
to
read
that
I
recommend
approval
of
zoa
20-4,
along
with
the
recommended
and
standard
conditions
of
approval
with
the
deletion
of
item
4
in
the
staff
report.
B
Yes,
and
do
we
have
a
separate
from
commissioner
gillespie
great
perfect,
okay?
Well
with
that,
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
vote.
N
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
now
we're
on
to
item
number
six.
This
is
cva
20-56
for
renaissance
remodeling
at
4425,
north
shamrock
avenue,
a
variance
from
the
front
setback
and
the
maximum
driveway
width
for
a
proposed
garage
and
we'll
first
hear
from
staff,
and
it's
over
to
you.
Miss
rain.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
item
before
you
contains
two
variances
one
to
encroach
into
the
front
step
back
and
one
to
exceed
the
maximum
driveway
with
for
a
proposed
attached
garage
on
a
property
located
at
4425,
north
shamrock
ave
and
an
r1a
bsn
single
family
residential
with
big
sky
neighborhood
overlay
zone.
O
The
1.03
acre
lot
contains
an
existing
single
family
house
and
attached
grass
with
a
circular
driveway
parcels
within
the
big
sky.
Neighborhood
overlay
are
subject
to
a
front
setback
of
35
feet
compared
to
the
typical
20-foot
residential
setback
and
the
parcel
is
also
located
in
the
big
sky
subdivision
and
is
subject
to
planted
front
setback
of
50
feet.
O
The
proposed
third
garage
would
sit
20
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
Access
would
be
taken
from
pavers
connecting
to
the
existing
driveway.
Direct
access
to
shamrock
is
not
allowed,
as
driveways
may
not
be
closer
than
50
feet
to
an
intersection
and
discussions
with
achd
revealed.
An
additional
access
point
in
this
location
would
likely
not
be
approved.
O
O
While
this
easement
does
impact
where
an
additional
garage
can
be
sighted
choices
are
not
limited
to
this
location,
the
garage
can
be
placed
elsewhere
on
the
lot,
without
the
need
for
a
variance
as
such,
the
planning
team
finds
that,
as
there
are
other
sighting
options
that
do
not
require
the
use
of
any
variances,
there
is
no
hardship
associated
with
the
property.
Nor
is
there
an
exceptional
circumstance
relating
to
the
intended
use
of
the
property
that
is
not
generally
applicable
in
the
district.
O
Further,
the
planning
team
finds
that
the
granting
of
the
variance
would
be
in
conflict
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Numerous
goals
and
principles
outlined
in
blueprint,
boise
call
for
limited
presence
of
garage
fronts.
Another
goal
states
that
development
should
support,
adopted,
neighborhood
plans,
the
proposed
aberration
from
the
established
setbacks
of
both
the
bsn
overlay
and
the
base
guy
subdivision
plat
does
not
align
with
this
goal.
O
Finally,
the
granting
of
these
variances
may
prove
detrimental
to
the
public
health,
safety
and
welfare.
The
non-conforming
design,
multiple
access
points
and
tight
angles
of
the
driveway
creates
a
scenario
for
an
increased
number
of
vehicular
conflict
points,
particularly
particularly
in
the
close
vicinity
of
an
intersection.
O
B
Thank
you,
mrs
raine.
We'll
next
hear
from
the
applicant
you'll
have
10
minutes,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
soon.
Do
you
have
the
can
the
applicant
please
virtually
raise
their
hand,
so
we
know
who
to
there
we
go.
Thank
you.
Tammy,
we'll
scoot
you
over
to
be
a
panelist.
So
hang
tight
for
just
a
moment.
B
Okay,
tammy
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
you
can
turn
on
your
video
if
you'd
like
or
share
your
screen.
Please
start
with
your
name
and.
N
Okay,
sorry,
sorry
we're
getting
new
with
this,
so
excuse
the
fumbling
around
here,
madam
chair
and
council
members.
Please
appreciate
your
time
and
letting
us
have
the
opportunity
to
discuss
this
matter
with
you
crystal
a
real
appreciation
to
you
with
all
the
time
that
we've
spent
discussing
this
and
trying
to
find
the
solutions
best
suited
for
the
neighborhood
and
us
moving
forward.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
N
What
we're
asking
here
is
for
the
acceptance
that
let
me
back
up
here,
boise
or
the
big
sky
neighborhood
association
in
discussions
with
us
on
the
best
plan
to
add
a
third
bay
to
our
home
was
to
put
the
garage
where
we
have
put
it
to
the
attached
garage.
N
E
N
So
the
reason
that
we
have
to
move
the
garage
forward
is
what
we're
asking
for
is
to
vacate
the
big
sky,
neighborhood
association's
variance
of
a
50-foot
setback,
but
we
are
within
the
city's
setback.
The
neighborhood
association
agreed
with
that
and
actually
encouraged.
N
The
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
where
it
was
suggested,
my
neighborhood
association,
would
not
agree
with
that.
Even
to
consider
something
like
that,
I
don't
think
anybody
would
want
to
see
a
house
in
their
neighborhood
bookended
by
garages,
not
only
that
there's
a
ditch
that
runs
along
the
north
side,
that
we
have
a
nine
foot
setback
that
makes
the
garage
over
on
that
side
completely
impossible.
We
also
have
idaho
power
cable,
one
lines
that
go
north
south
across
the
middle
of
our
property
that
has
13-foot
arc.
N
I
guess
you
call
it
an
easement
that
we
have
to
adhere
by
so
that
puts
our
property
back
even
further
than
that,
and
when
you
consider
something
like
that,
we're
no
longer
talking
about
an
attached
garage,
obviously
we're
talking
about
a
shop
or
something
that's
in
the
back
and
for
my
wife
and
I
who
bought
the
house
just
a
few
years
ago.
The
reason
we
bought
a
single
story
house
is
because
this
is
a
place.
We
want
to
remain
an
aging
place
and
if
we.
H
N
N
N
Widths
that
we're
considering
here
are
very
typical
for
our
subdivision.
We
are
not
asking
for
anything
that
a
handful
of
photos
that
we
have
here
as
a
powerpoint
you'll,
be
able
to
scroll
through
and
see
we're,
not
increasing
the
traffic
at
all.
It's
still
the
two
of
us
in
the
homes
there
will
be
no
more
additional
vehicles
entering
egressing
or
entering
the
property.
These
are
examples.
N
N
N
N
B
Property.
Thank
you
thanks.
So
much
do
we
have
a
representative
in
attendance
from
the
neighborhood
association
somebody
who's
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
association
tonight.
Okay,
seeing
none,
then
we
will
move
on
to
questions
from
the
commission,
for
staff
or
for
the
applicant.
O
Madam
chair,
commissioner
blanchard,
that
was
not
one
of
the
issues
that
was
discussed.
They
are
clear
of
the
clear
vision
triangle.
P
Okay,
so
in
the
proposed
spot,
it
sounded
like
what
you
were
arguing
was
that
there
would
be
additional
concerns
with
traffic
and
safety
with
vehicles
coming
in
and
out
of
that
garage,
potentially.
O
Madam
chair,
commissioner
blanchard,
there
is
no
issue
with
the
clear
vision
triangle.
The
issue
that
I
cited
is
that,
according
to
code,
no
driveway
can
come
within
50
feet
of
an
intersection
and
the
existing
driveway
is
already
at
50
feet.
So
that's
why
there
has
to
be
the
stub
into
the
existing
driveway.
P
Gotcha:
okay,
thank
you
madam
chair.
If
I
could
have
a
follow
on,
please.
P
Crystal,
can
you
walk
us
through
potential
sightings
on
the
property
where
an
outbuilding
could
go
that
wouldn't
have
that?
Wouldn't
impact
achds
requirements.
O
O
J
E
A
Crystal
can
you
run
through
the
actual,
the
setback
numbers
again
and,
and
I
don't
really
care-
or
at
least
maybe
I
shouldn't
say
that
I'm
not
sure
why
I
should
care
about
whatever
the
hoa
says.
A
O
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
the
typical
setback
for
residential
zone
is
20
feet
and
I
think
that
that's
the
setback
that
the
applicant
cited.
However,
the
big
sky
overlay
has
a
setback
of
35
feet
in
the
front,
and
so
that
would
be
what
this
variance
is
speaking
to
the
plotted
subdiv
or
the
plotted
setback
of
50
feet
would
be
the
subject
of
a
vacation
of
easement
and
is
not
the
subject
of
this
case.
A
Madam
chairman
follow-up,
please,
commissioner,
gillespie
crystal:
how
far
does
this
proposed
garage
stick
into
that
35-foot
setback.
B
D
O
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
I
received,
and
I
might
I
think
I
included
an
hoa
correspondence
and
apologies
if
I
did
not.
That
said
that
any
decision
would
need
to
be
first
brought
forth
to
the
city
city
of
boise
before
that
they
they
would
even
look
at
the
design.
That's
the
only
correspondence
cyrus
received.
D
M
B
M
Additional
question
for
crystal
so:
if
they're,
not
one
in
the
same,
the
big
sky,
neighborhood
plan
put
forth
the
plan,
that's
now
wrote
into
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
completely
different
from
the
hoa.
So
even
if
we
had
the
hoa
approval,
it
would
have
been
different
from
the
actual
plan,
for
the
neighborhood
is.
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing.
G
J
Commissioner,
just
really
quick,
there
was
to
mention
about
idaho
power,
easement
and
lateral
easement,
and
I
didn't
see
that
in
the
packet
do
we
have
any
a
graphic
of
some
sort
of
where
those
easements
lie.
O
J
And
manager,
just
a
quick
fault,
maybe
for
the
applicant
in
reference
to
that,
that
lateral
easement
do
you
have
kind
of
a
just
a
really
quick
description
of
where,
where
that
lateral
easement
might
lie.
I
know
you
indicated
the
north
side.
E
I
Is
it
us
this
is
chad,
vincent
representing
renaissance
remodeling?
I
my
office
here
is
at
4220
north
osage
street
in
boise.
I
If
you
will,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this,
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
patience
with
all
this.
It
really
the
the
issue
starts
with
this.
Let
this
diagonal
through
their
property
and
where
the
diagonal
starts
going
through
their
property
for
this
pipeline
as
a
remodeler
doing
a
lot
of
adus
in
the
north
end,
idaho
power
has
clamped
down
on
us
being
anywhere
near
their
power
lines.
Actually,
that's
not
specifically
correct
being
within
13
feet
of
an
arc
of
their
power
lines.
I
So,
as
our
roof
goes
upwards
for
this
rv
garage,
our
roof
gets
closer
to
this.
The
power
lines
that
they
will
not
allow
us
to
move.
So
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
north
end
is
having
to
move
power
lines,
put
additional
poles
in
at
great
expense
in
the
north
end,
when
there's
no
other
option-
and
that's
really
what's
happening
here-
that
the
diagonal
force
of
this
pipeline
going
through
their
property,
pushes
either
the
garage
to
the
front
of
the
property
or
pushes
a
garage.
I
That's
worth
anything
past
the
idaho
powers
easement,
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
I'm
saying
that
correctly
using
it,
but
they
will
flat
out
not
allow
us
to
put
any
structure
physical
piece
of
the
structure
within
that
13-foot
arc
of
that.
E
N
Commissioner,
moore,
you
were
asking
about
the
lateral
easement
there
yeah.
If
it's
at
the
north
of
the
property
line
there
there's
the
dotted
line
there.
Okay
can
you
so
it
is.
Basically,
it
starts
right
here.
It
comes
actually
from
this
property
next
door
to
the
north
of
us
comes
across
here.
N
It
makes
a
90
degree
turn
and
it
comes
right
up
all
the
way
up
here
and
it's
open
and
exposed
until
you
get
to
about
back
in
here
and
then
it's
tiled
in
and
it
feeds
the
properties
that
are
behind
us
right
back
here.
N
The
six
mamas
that
are
right
here
really
enjoy
that.
So
so
there's
a
nine
foot
easement
that
we
have
to
respect
all
the
way
across
this
property
for
the
ditch.
For.
G
N
Ditch
that's
there
and
again
the
power
lines
that
are
right
here,
so
there's
a
26
to
26
foot
mark
or
13
foot
hard,
but
26
feet.
If
you
go
from
side
to
side,
does
that
answer
your
question.
B
Okay,
great
seeing
no
further
questions
from
the
commission.
B
And
I
actually
tammy,
I
have
you
on
our
sign
up
sheet,
but
it
as
the
applicant
I'm
gonna
skip
you
on
our
sign
up
sheet.
If
that's
okay,
okay,
thank
you
and
then,
if
there's
anybody
else
from
the
public
that
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item
tonight,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
Okay,
seeing
then
we
will
move
on
then
to
it
would
be
time
for
a
rebuttal
from
the
applicant.
There
was
no
testimony
against.
Would
you
do
you
have
anything
else
to
add?
B
You
would
have
five
minutes
and
no
you're
gonna
wave.
That
is
that
what
I'm
hearing
yeah?
Okay!
Thank
you.
So
we'll
close
this
portion
of
the
hearing
then-
and
the
item
is
before
the
commission.
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
finfrock
so
before
we
even
talk
about
like
the
the
motion
itself,
I
just
had
a
big
like
a
question
for
maybe
the
other
commissioners,
like
if
big
sky
neighborhood
plan
spent
all
that
time
to
get
it
adopted
into
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
I
just
I
struggle
with
not
maybe
following
the
the
you
know,
the
structure
of
the
plan
itself
and-
and
maybe
commissioner
gillespie
can
like
speak
to
this-
I'm
not
really
sure,
because
I
know
he
has
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
department,
but
that
you
know
I.
M
I
think
that
there
may
be
some
hardships
associated
with
this
property.
I
just
I
struggle
because
you
know
hearing
after
hearing
we
hear
the
commission
and
the
city
tell
these
neighborhoods
to
go
ahead
and
work
towards
getting
a
plan
in
place
so
that
we
know
what
their
what
they
envision
for
their
neighborhood,
and
so
when
some
of
these
applications
come
before
us,
I
would
struggle
with
going
against
anything.
They
had
actually
adopted
into
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
somebody
can
maybe
comment
to
that.
B
M
Okay,
let
me
let
me
let
me
try
our
madam
chair.
Yes,
commissioner
finfrock,
I
will
try
emotion,
but.
M
Okay,
okay,
so
I
moved
to
deny
zoa
20-4
and
hopefully
somebody
will
comment
or
have
some
feedback
for
me.
B
Great
a
second
from
commissioner
blanchard,
let's
get
into
some
robust
discussion.
F
M
B
B
A
So
I
think
commissioner
finfrock
is
is
correct,
that
the
the
adopted
plan,
the
is
kind
of
like
a
sp01
or
sp02,
in
this
case
it's
the
big
sky
plan.
A
I
think
that
one's
been
around
for
a
while,
so
yeah
that
the
50-foot
setback
in
that
plan
is
you
know
it's
a
real
number.
So
that's
why
they're
asking
for
a
variance?
Basically,
so
the
question
is:
is
there
enough
of
a
hardship
here,
particularly
with
that
natural
gas,
red
sash
across
the
diagonal
of
the
property,
and
so
to
my
calculation?
It
comes
down
to
is,
is
do
they
have
a
right
for
an
attached
garage
in?
A
A
So
this
is
an
interesting
one,
because
you
know
we're
really
being
asked
to
assess
the
the
difference
between
an
attached
and
detached
garage
in
this
particular
case
and
like
all
these
cases,
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
motion
simply
because
I
don't
think
we
should
be
considering
the
nature
of
the
current
owner,
because
this
variance
lasts
forever
right
and
it's
something
we
talk
about
all
the
time
and
they
may
sell
the
house
next
year
anyway.
So
the
idea
that
well,
we
want
to
age
in
place
here.
P
Yes,
as
I
seconded
the
motion,
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
throw
up
my
thoughts
here
I
mean
you
know,
there's
a
whole
lot
of
caveat
emptor.
Here
I
mean
you
know
this.
The
the
pipeline
and
the
electrical
easements
were
well
known
when
they
bought
the
house
and
if
they
were
contemplating
something
like
this,
you
know
that
again,
that's
that's
literally
their
responsibility
on
that
and
as
commissioner
finfrock
and
gillespie
both
noted.
P
You
know
that
we
just
don't
have
any
input,
hardly
from
the
neighborhood
association
and
no
one
showed
up
here
tonight.
We
don't
have
anybody.
We
just
really
don't
have
anything
on
the
record
from
those
guys,
and
so
I
mean
we're
really
bound
to
go
by
what
the
neighborhood
worked
for
all
these
years.
So
we
have
the
big
sky
overlay
and
we're
being
asked
for
all
these
variances
that,
just
frankly,
don't
make
sense.
I'm
I'm
not
swayed
by
the
age
in
place
argument.
P
I
would
you
know
if
you
can't
walk
200
steps
to
your
rv
garage.
I
don't
know
how
you'd
be
functional
enough
to
use
an
rv
that
would
fit
in
the
garage
that
size
so
that
that
just
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
me
and
you
wouldn't
be
using
an
rv
in
the
snow
in
the
high
spaces,
as
argued,
so
those
arguments
just
don't
make
any
sense.
P
I
think
we
just
have
to
stick
with
the
plan
and
if
the
applicant
wants
to
appeal
to
the
council
and
bring
back
or
are
we
the
final,
I
can't
remember
on
this,
but
anyways
yeah.
I
think
we
just
have
to
stick
with
a
plan
hearing
no
input
from
anybody
from
the
association.
G
J
I
agree
with
the
motion
too
and
and
everything
that
commissioner
finf
said.
The
fact
is,
if
achd
is
allowing
an
access
off
of
goldenrod.
As
I
understand
it,
there
is
location
on
the
property
to
go
to
garage.
The
easements
don't
restrict
a
garage
entirely,
so
you
are
still.
There
is
still
space
on
the
property
to
have
one.
A
lot
of
this
property
is
isn't
an
alley
access,
but
it's
it's
not
uncommon
in
the
city.
J
Do
you
have
a
detached
garage
for
this
for
something
very
similar,
and
I
I
understand
that
the
easements
and
sympathetic
to
the
restrictions
imposed,
but
with
a
garage
still
feasible
on
this
property.
I'm
in
support
of
the
motion.
B
I'm
actually
going
to
chime
in
on
this
one
too.
I
have
the
same
thought
as
commissioner
gillespie.
In
that
you
know
we
really
try
not
to
make
decisions
for
the
current
resident
of
the
home.
These
are
decisions
we
make
that
last
forever
and
in
addition,
what
stuck
with
me
when
reading
the
application
was
some
details
about
the
big
sky
neighborhood
plan,
I'm
looking
at
blueprint,
boise
on
page
340
of
384
pages.
B
It
says
the
big
sky
neighborhood
plan
is
to
preserve
the
large
lots
and
open
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
to
retain
the
rural
personality
of
this
unique
location
and
so
to
me
kind
of
trying
to
cram
everything
up
right
on
the
sidewalk.
B
Just
isn't
conducive
with
that,
with
really
that
statement
of
the
open
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
trying
to
maintain
a
rural
personality
to
be
infringing
like
that
on
the
on
the
sidewalk
in
the
street,
when,
when
there's
such
a
big
lot
behind
you
and
I
recognize
and
appreciate
the
the
character
of
your
lot,
but
I
hope
that
there
will
be
another
another
way
to
work
things
out.
B
Do
we
have
any
other
comments
from
the
commission
before
we
vote?
B
Thank
you.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
item
number
seven,
this
is
car
20-20
and
pud
20-46
for
cam
engineering
at
10881,
west
florence
drive
a
modification
to
a
development
agreement
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development.
We'll
start
with
staff,
and
we'll
first
hear
please
from
mr
moser.
B
You
know
what
actually
I'm
sorry,
mr
measure,
can
we
take
a
quick
five-minute
break,
we'll
just
put
a
pin
in
it?
Sorry
guys
we'll
be
back
at
about
three
or
four
after.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
B
Know
raining
hard
if
I
can.
B
Q
Q
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
development
agreement
modification
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprise
the
40
40
units
on
approximately
2.9
acres
located
at
10
881
west
florence
drive
in
an
r2d,
slash
da
zone.
That's
a
medium
density,
residential
zoning
with
a
with
designer
view
and
there's
a
development
agreement
attached
to
it.
The
del
the
development
agreement
modification
is
to
remove
a
condition
of
a
condition
from
the
original
2008
d,
a
which
includes
removing
the
10
unit
per
acre
limitation
on
density
and
for
the
da
to
reference.
Q
As
noted,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
day
modification
to
remove
a
condition
from
the
original
d.a.
Please
understand
that
this
is
not
a
rezone
and
the
property
will
remain
r2
r2d
da
zone
and
the
applicant
is
only
requesting
to
remove
the
limitation
on
the
density,
which
is
a
cap
on
that
which
a
cap
which
limits
the
site
to
10
units,
an
acre
the
the
request,
would
be
to
allow
the
property
to
be
developed
as
per
the
density.
Q
The
r2
zone
also,
the
applicant
requests
the
da
to
be
to
reference
the
new
conceptual
site
plan
and
to
basically
upgrade
the
the
exhibits
attached
to
it.
Essentially,
it's
really
really
wants
to
do
is
to
strike
this
one
line
out
of
the
d
a
right
here.
Q
In
short,
the
intent
of
the
existing
va
from
2008
was
for
the
site
to
provide
a
transition
between
the
large
lot
single
family
development
adjacent
to
the
east
along
florence
drive
and
the
multi-family
developments
to
the
west
in
2008.
The
comprehensive
plan
identified
the
surrounding
neighborhood
as
low
density
residential
about
four
units,
an
acre
on
the
land
use
designation
map.
The
comprehensive
plan
now
identifies
the
surrounding
area,
including
the
subject
property
as
compact
on
the
land
use
designation,
designation
map,
which
anticipates
a
residential
development
with
densities
ranging
up
to
15
minutes.
Q
An
acre
as
such
the
proposed
13.5
units
per
acre
is
consistent
with
the
current
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
below
the
14.5
units
per
acre,
which
is
the
max
allowed
under
the
r2
zone.
In
addition,
areas
of
stability
and
change
identified
within
the
comprehensive
plan
anticipate
the
subject
property
and
the
surrounding
area
will
experience
some
infill
and
redevelopment.
Q
I
finally
like
to
note
that
the
draft
dea
received
by
the
planning
and
zone
commission
in
the
late
correspondence
memo
is
not
the
final
document.
The
planning
team
will
continue
to
work
with
legal
department,
housing,
community
development
and
the
applicant
on
the
documents
language
before
it
is
heard
before.
City
council,
in
particular
the
language
that
references,
affordable,
housing
component
will
need
to
be
reconsidered.
Q
In
short,
the
d.a
does
not
really
need
to
reference
the
affordable
housing
component
and
it
does
not
need
to
be
included
in
the
da
also
in
support
of
the
da
modification,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
land
use
map.
As
I
said
before,
the
subject,
property
and
the
whole
surrounding
area
is,
is
designated
as
compact,
which
anticipates
15
inch.
An
acre
and.
Q
Okay,
that's
what
that
is.
I
was
trying
to
figure
what
that
was
so
sorry
back
to
and,
and
there
is
a
commercial
land
use
zoning
up
along
fairview-
and
this
is
the
zoning
map.
As
you
can
see,
the
adjacent
properties
to
the
west
and
to
the
north
are
zoned
r2
and
r3.
So
r2
is
that
medium
density
and
then
the
r3
is
multi-family
residency,
residential
density,
so
the
proposed
project
is
actually
compatible
with
those
adjacent
zones.
Q
The
proposal
includes
the
construction
of
seven
multi-family
buildings,
comprised
of
six
three-story
six-unit
buildings
and
one
two-story
four
unit.
Building
for
a
total
of
40
units,
vehicle
access
will
be
provided
via
a
service
drive
that
connects
florence
drive
to
the
east
and
to
the
proposed
public
street
of
bonanza.
So
essentially
it's
this
service
drive
here
will
provide
the
connection.
In
addition,
bonanza
street
will
provide
connectivity
between
florence
on
the
west
side.
Down
to
irving
and
bonanza
will
be
will
be
dedicated
as
public
right
away
in
phase
two
of
the
project.
Q
The
project
also
complies
and
exceeds
and
exceeds
all
required
perimeter
setbacks,
which
includes
a
30-foot
setback
along
the
east
property
line
here
adjacent
to
the
single
family.
It
complies
the
height
requirements,
which
is
35
feet
to
midline
a
roof
of
the
parking
standards
and
for
and
it
provides
all
the
amenities.
Q
Q
It
complies
with
all
the
required
findings
and
commenting
agencies
said
they
can
approve
it.
Can
the
project
can
be
approved
with
conditions,
although
achd
will
restrict
on-street
parking
along
florence
to
ensure
the
fire
department
has
access
to
site?
Finally,
the
planning
team
is
recommending
a
walking
path
along
the
north
side
of
the
property
provide
more
of
a
direct
pedestrian
connection
through
the
property.
However,
the
applicant
has
concerns
with
that
with
this
pathway
location,
because
it
would
potentially
impact
the
private
open
space
associated
with
the
residents
of
this
of
this
building.
Q
The
applicant
is
also
promoting
proposing
to
provide
affordable
housing
income,
restricted
units
on
the
east
side
of
the
site,
and
the
number
of
units
are
actually
listed
below
only
of
the
28
units.
On
the
east
side.
Only
through
the
market
market
rate,
the
rest
will
be
varying
levels
of
income
restricted
from
60
percent
below
250
to
40.,
so
they
are
providing
affordable
income.
In
addition,
the
applicant
will
provide
a
variety
of
social
services
for
the
residents
of
the
project.
Q
The
planning
team
did
receive
a
letter
of
a
letter
from
a
neighbor
expressing
concerns
with
the
project.
These
concerns
generally
fell
into
the
areas
of
traffic
impacts,
compatibility
and
the
on-street
parking
along
florence.
To
address
these
concerns,
I
would
note
that
there
is
capacity
on
the
adjacent
roadways
to
support
the
project
and
the
project
density
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
properties
adjacent
to
the
north
and
to
the
west.
It
is
also
compatible
with
the
development
that
is
anticipated
to
occur
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Q
Given
the
zoning
and
the
comprehensive
land
use
designations,
the
on-street
parking
along
florence
will
be
restricted
to
provide
clear
fire
access
to
the
project.
However,
the
houses
along
florence
drive
provide
off-street
parking
within
garages
and
they
have
guest
parking
along
the
within
their
driveway
agreement.
Q
In
summary,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
pud
and
the
development
agreement.
Modification
motions
needed
is
to
approve
the
pud
and
a
recommendation
for
the
dea
modification
to
council.
Thank
you.
R
Hopefully,
you
can
all
see
that
yes,
okay,
great.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
for
having
me
here
tonight.
David
did
a
wonderful
job
summarizing
our
requests.
I'll
try
to
do
my
best
to
avoid
repeating
him
too
much,
but
we're
excited
to
be
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
celebration
acres
project.
R
It's
we're
requesting
a
rezone
which
is
really
a
vehicle
to
modify
the
existing
development
agreement
on
the
property
to
remove
the
density
cap,
as
david
mentioned,
and
to
update
the
conceptual
development
plan.
That's
attached
that
agreement
and
then
we're
also
proposing
the
plan
unit
development
to
include
a
phasing
plan
and
then
an
amenity
package.
R
We
have
met
with
city
staff
achd
and
neighbors
a
few
times
in
preferring
this
application
and
feel
that
it's
consistent
with
what
the
city
wants
as
consistent
as
it
can
be,
with
what
neighbors
want
to
see
in
the
area
and
is
complying
with
all
the
conditions
of
approval
that
have
been
put
forth
so
far.
As
david
mentioned,
the
property
is
located
southwest
of
fairview
and
five
mile
road.
It's
approximately
2.95
acres.
It's
an
undeveloped,
infill
piece.
R
R
R
At
that
time,
the
comprehensive
plan
future
language
map
was
also
modified.
But,
as
david
mentioned,
that's
since
been
updated.
It's
now
compact,
the
da
we
are
proposing
to
modify,
is
the
result
of
that
decision.
In
2007..
R
It
currently
limits
the
development
to
10
billion
acre,
which
would
be
about
29
dwellings
and
we're
asking
to
increase
that
density
to
allow
for
a
density.
That's
consistent
with
our
tv
district.
R
Just
to
give
you
an
idea,
our
properties
outlined
in
red,
and
then
you
can
see
that
there's
industrial
and
single-family
uses
to
the
west
as
well
as
unfelt
land
to
the
east,
which
has
now
been
filled
in
so
the
comprehensive
plan
designates.
This
area
is
compact.
We
are
requesting
a
zoning
or
our
zoning
designations
in
line
with
that
and
our
our
densities
in
line
with
that
as
well.
We're
actually
below
the
the
maximum
target
density
for
the
compact
area,
which
is
15
gallons
joining.
R
It's
an
acre,
we're
at
13.5
dwelling
units
an
acre
and
we're
also
below
the
maximum
density
allowed.
The
r2
district,
which
is
the
14.5
billion
units,
an
acre,
we're
fulfilling
multiple
comprehensive
plan
goals
and
the
intent
of
the
comprehensive
plan
by
building
a
connected
community
and
building
an
area
that
has
previously
been
undeveloped
and
has
kind
of
created
a
void
in
between
developments.
R
Adding
higher
density
infill
within
this
area
of
the
west
bench
planning
area
and
providing
a
mix
of
housing
opportunities
to
to
provide
affordable
housing
components,
that's
badly
needed
in
boise
right
now,
so
we
are
requesting,
as
mentioned,
to
modify
the
development
agreement.
This
is
our
original
concept
plan.
As
you
can
see,
it
was
initially
shown
with
eight
residential
buildings,
four
of
which
were
four
plex
buildings
and
four
of
which
were
three
plex
buildings.
R
There
was
one
central
drive
that
went
from
florence
through
the
site
and
then
connected
florence
drive
and
urban
court
on
the
on
the
east,
part
of
the
property
we're
now
proposing
six
residential
unit
buildings
and
one
community,
I'm
sorry,
seven
buildings
and
one
community
center
we're
proposing
six
six
unit
buildings
which
are
on
the
periphery
of
the
site
here
and
then
one
fourplex
building,
which
is
a
two-story
building
here
for
40
units.
R
Overall
30
of
those
are
going
to
be
two-bedroom
units,
six
three
bedroom
units
and
for
four
bedroom
units,
so
we're
really
hoping
to
increase
the
the
kind
of
housing
and
the
the
type
of
unit
that's
available
in
this
area
with
those
different
housing
or
these
different
unit
types
just
to
provide
you
some
context.
R
This
is
obviously
not
to
scale
but
just
to
show
kind
of
how
the
streets
are
now
proposed
to
connect
with
existing
streets,
we're
proposing
bonanza
street,
which
will
be
a
dry
vile,
connecting
florence
way
to
urban
court
and
then
a
private
road
that'll
connect
from
florence
drive
on
the
east
part
of
the
site
to
the
interior,
which
is
a
parking
area,
so
that'll
be
the
bulk
of
parking
for
the
project.
R
So,
overall
we're
proposing
three
points
of
access
which
will
really
connect
this
whole
area
and
kind
of
add
to
the
circulation.
That's
existing
here,
so
we're
proposing
six
six
unit
buildings
overall
in
the
periphery
the
site
is
mentioned.
These
will
all
be
three
stories,
a
piece
and
then
one
four
plex
building
which
is
going
to
be
two
stories.
The
community
center
will
be
one
story
and
we'll
include
some
communal
meeting
space
desks
and
computers
for
folks
that
maybe
don't
have
those
in
their
homes.
R
We
are
meeting
or
exceeding
the
building
and
parking
setbacks
throughout
the
site
and
we'll
be
installing
vinyl
fencing
on
all
of
the
boundaries
we're
going
to
be
replacing
a
fence
that
needs
some
repair
on
the
south
boundary
and
otherwise
just
adding
fencing
where
it's
needed,
providing
a
clubhouse
playground
and
open
space
throughout.
As
you
mentioned,
the
community
centers
essentially
located
here,
will
provide
a
top
lot
for
children
to
come
play
that's
also
centrally
located
and
then
there's
some
kind
of
smaller
open
space
areas
located
throughout
the
site.
R
For
folks
to
go
pick
a
soccer
ball
around
or
hang
out.
We
are
exceeding
the
required
number
of
parking
spaces.
We
are
providing
62
and
58
are
required.
R
This
is
our
landscape
plan.
It's
been
modified
since
we
initially
submitted
the
application
to
include
we
changed,
the
electrical
units
that'll
be
included,
so
our
hvac
is
actually
going
to
be
ground
on
the
ground
now,
instead
of
within
the
wall
units
and
as
such,
we've
provided
some
screening
there,
as
required
by
code
and
then
we've
also
relocated.
The
trash
enclosure
on
the
west
part
of
the
site
for
public
works,
recommendation
and
request.
R
So
otherwise
we
are
providing
a
little
over
one
acre
of
total
open
space,
which
is
about
35
percent
of
the
total
site.
I
think
code
requires
10,
so
we're
exceeding
that
requirement,
and
as
mentioned,
we
are
trying
to
provide
some
kind
of
vegetative
growing
space
for
residents
throughout
the
development.
R
As
david
mentioned,
we
are
proposing
to
phase
this
project.
That's
part
of
our
planned
unit,
development
request.
The
first
phase
will
include
five
buildings,
five
residential
buildings
and
one
community,
the
community
center
and
then
the
second
phase.
We
will
be
including
the
last
two
buildings,
both
of
which
are
six
plexes,
and
then
we
will
be
dedicating
bonanza
street,
which
is
this
roadway
here
to
achd.
R
In
the
first
phase,
we
will
be
constructing
everything
to
achd
standards,
so
this
road
will
actually
be
installed
as
a
public
right-of-way,
but
we'll
be
dedicated
with
the
second
phase.
R
We're
proposing
a
variety
of
building
materials
with
board
and
batten,
siding
we
have
stone
veneer
and
then
various
color
schemes
that
we're
proposing
most
of
the
buildings
are
three-story,
so
they
will
vary
with
finishes
on
the
front
and
rear
and
then
color
schemes
change
throughout,
and
this
is
our
four
flex
building
that
we're
proposing,
which
is
at
the
north
part
of
the
site.
R
We
have
designed
these
to
try
to
be
as
consistent
as
possible
with
existing
development
to
make
sure
that
it's
complementing,
what's
already
in
the
area
while
being
kind
of
unique
and
different
too
so
the
clubhouse
is
going
to
be
located
there,
and
this
is
what
it's
proposed
to
look
like.
It'll
have
similar
building
materials
a
little
bit
different
color
scheme,
but
it's
a
one-story
building,
that's
proposed
to
be
fairly
open
for
folks
to
easily
use
it.
R
We
were
showing
our
revised
site
plan
with
the
pedestrian
pathway
on
the
north
side
of
our
dry,
vial
and
then
kind
of
going
south
to
adjacent
to
the
buildings.
We
think
that
the
central
location
will
really
work
better
for
residents
and
will
make
it
easier
for
folks
to
circulate
through
the
site
rather
than
through
private
open
space
and
at
the
rear
of
some
buildings.
So
this
is
the
proposal
that
we're
making
for
the
revision
to
that
that
or
that
condition.
R
So
we
really
do
believe
that
our
development
is
consistent
with
the
city's
vision,
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
going
to
be
providing
additional
residential
opportunities
and
infill
area,
that's
close
to
existing
development
services,
transit
opportunities,
commercial
and
employment
opportunities
and
we'll
be
providing
an
affordable
housing
option.
R
That's
just
really
not
as
readily
available
as
it
maybe
should
be
in
boise
overall,
but
especially
this
area
we're
complying
with
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
r2
zone
and
really
do
believe
this
density
and
this
product
is
going
to
be
appropriate
and
compatible
with,
what's
already
existing,
so
we're
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report
and
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval,
with
the
exception
of
the
request,
we're
making
to
modify
condition
three,
and
I
believe
a
couple
of
our
clients
are
on
the
line
too.
R
B
Thank
you
miss
hopkins.
Before
we
get
to
questions,
I'm
just
going
to
check
to
see.
Do
we
have
a
designated
representative
from
the
neighborhood
association
present
somebody
who
is
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood?
If
so,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
I
do
see
a
hand
up
from
mr
j.
Can
jay?
Are
you
here
to
represent
the
neighborhood
association.
B
Great
okay,
so
jay
hang
tight.
We
will
go
to
questions
from
the
commission
and
then
and
then
we'll
get
to
public
testimony
where
everybody
will
have
a
chance
to
speak.
That
would
like
to
speak
so
questions
from
the
commission
and
I
guess,
while
everybody's
gathering
their
thoughts
I'll
start
with
a
quick
question,
I'm
wondering
miss
hopkins.
Can
you
please
just
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
modification
that
you'd
like
to
see?
B
Can
we
see
that
picture
again
and
would
you
the
city
is
proposing
the
sidewalks
stay
along
the
road
and
you're
proposing
it
doesn't
and
so
can?
Can
we
maybe
hear
from
actually,
let's
maybe
start
with
mr
moser,
I
think
to
hear
why
that
doesn't
that
proposal
doesn't
work
for
the
city
and
then
maybe
from
miss
hopkins
again,
if
there's
anything
to
discuss
there.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
What
the
city's
condition
it
would
require
is
essentially
taking
this
sidewalk
that
they
have
shown
along
the
north
and
then
extending
it
straight
across
the
north
property
line
as
to
connect
to
bonsai
or
so
providing
almost
a
straight
connection
from
florence
to
florence,
so
the
so
the
apple
or
the
neighbors
wouldn't
have
to
walk
through
the
the
parking
lot
area
and
follow
that
sort
of
more
meandering
route
to
get
to
florence,
so
just
providing
that
more
direct
pedestrian
connection.
B
R
R
For
folks,
if
they
want
to
have
you
know
things
that
would
be
otherwise
encumbered
by
a
path
so
and.
N
E
B
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
glaspie
and
then
mr
moser.
Okay,
sorry
any
other
questions
from
the
commission.
Madam
chairman,
commissioner,
gillespie.
A
Right
down
through
the
parking
lot
in
front
of
people's
houses
or
buildings,
I
don't
understand
how
taking
the
public
right
down
through
the
parking
lot
and
buy.
Everybody's
cars
is
a
great
idea,
as
opposed
to
just
straight
across
in
terms
of
preserving
people's
privacy.
I'm
just
not
sure
how
having
the
public
avail
you
know.
Encouraged
to
walk
through
a
private
parking
area
is
a
great
idea.
R
Sure
one
chair
missed
mr
gillespie.
I
think
the
primary
reason
that
our
client
wants
to
direct
traffic
through
the
parking
lot
and
through
the
development
rather
than
through
the
green
space
is
that
we
believe
that
most
of
people
that
will
be
trafficking,
this
pathway,
will
be
residents
of
the
development.
R
So
for
the
most
part,
I
think
the
way
that
it
may
function
is
that
folks
are
going
to
go
to
their
home
and
then
maybe
use
that
pathway
to
walk
either
south
or
west
or,
if
maybe
someone's
walking
from
building
g,
which
is
on
the
far
west
side
and
wants
to
go
to
the
bus,
stop
or
something
they'll,
probably
use
the
internal
path
and
then
go
along
irving,
rather
than
maybe
through
the
green
space.
R
A
So
this
is
a
question
for
david
david.
What
I'm
seeing
on
the
left
that
says
dieg
modification
request:
when
did
the
city
actually
get
that
final
picture
and
layout?
Was
it
last
friday,
because
I
was
just
a
little
bit
confused
about
when
we
actually
had
the
proposed
plan
for
the
pud
and
the
buildings
and
the
layout.
Q
I
had
a
chair,
commissioner:
gigglesby
the
the
site,
the
actual
final
revised
site
plan
came
in
and
the
d.a
came
in
last
week
after
the
packet
came
due
and
it
was
submitted
as
late
correspondence,
although
the
only
change
from
the
revised
is
essentially
extending
the
sidewalk
up
along
the.
Was
it
west
side
of
the
parking
lot
back
over
to
florence,
making
that
connect
sidewalk
connection,
and
then
there
are
some
additional
changes
to
accommodate
public
works,
solid
waste,
backup
requirements
on
the
trash
enclosure
there.
Q
D
Question
for
david
and
david
just
to
follow
up
on
that
and
then
the
next
step
in
this
process.
The
public
will
have
another
opportunity
to
see
this
again
through
design
review.
Is
that
correct.
Q
D
B
J
Any
question
about
the
aspire,
access
and
the
no
parking.
So
if
I
understand
it,
the
fire,
the
no
parking
on
the
fire
access
is
related
to
the
width
of
the
street.
I
know
some
of
the
comments
that
we
read
were
regarding
that
no
parking
due
to
due
to
that
is
that
my
understanding
is
due
to
the
width
of
the
street.
The
there
should
already
be
no
parking
along
those
streets
is
that
is
that
correct,
or
is
that
kind
of
due
to
this
development.
Q
It's
it's,
I
believe
it's
it's
a
howie
district
that
required
it
and
I
believe
it's
due
to
the
width
of
that
of
florence
drive.
I
think
florence
drive
is
33.
Let's
see
here,
I'd
have
to
double
check
the
specifics
on
it,
but
I
believe
it
is
it.
It
is
related
to
the
width
of
the
street
along
florence
and
trying
to
provide
the
clear
fire
access.
J
Q
It's
it's
not
currently
restricted
at
point,
because
there's
it's
a
dead-end
road.
So,
with
this
development
it
puts
that
additional
traffic.
B
Okay,
so
next
we
will
then
one
second
next
we'll
move
on
to
our
sign
up
sheet
and
we
actually
do
have
somebody
signed
up,
but
I
don't
see
them
on
the
line.
I
have
christopher
cockrell
signed
up
if
you're
in
attendance
tonight,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
and
then
not
seeing
him
will
move
on
to
anybody
else.
So
if
you
are
online
tonight
and
you'd
like
to
testify
on
this
item,
please
virtually
raise
your.
B
B
If
anybody
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item
tonight,
please
virtually
raise
the
hand
and
we'll
just
go
down
the
line.
We'll
start
with
jay
just
give
us
a
second
to
unmute,
you
and
then
we'd
love
to
hear
what
you
have
to
say.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes
and
jay.
You
can
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
turn
on
your
camera.
If
you'd
like,
whenever
you're
ready.
H
B
H
Okay,
perfect,
I
would
just
want
to
testify
as
a
developer,
along
with
ellida
a
respected
community
non-profit
in
the
area.
We
felt
that
the
reason
not
to
connect
the
the
sidewalk
was
just
simply
most
of
the
services
and
transportation
services
are
gonna,
be
on
five
mile
and
we
felt
like
the
cam
engineering
that
most
of
the
folks
are
gonna
be
coming
through.
H
The
property
are
actually
gonna,
be
residents,
and
so
there
wasn't
a
real
need
if
someone
really
needed
to
get
the
other
side
there's
a
way
to
go
through
there,
but
looking
at
and
surfing
the
residents,
we
thought
that
five
now
was
the
way
to
go
in.
In
terms
of
that.
So
that's
why
I
just
want
to
speak
on
that
issue.
B
Thank
you
so
much,
I'm
sorry
we
should
we
could
have
had
you
speak
with
miss
hopkins
as
part
of
the
applicant
team,
but
we're
glad
to
have
that
perspective.
Nonetheless,
thank
you
for
that
information.
B
Okay,
is
there
anybody
else
that
wanted
to
speak
on
this
item
tonight?
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
last
call.
C
Madam
chair,
we
do
still
have
some
attendees
online,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
part
of
the
applicant
team
or
if
they
just
don't,
want
to
speak
tonight.
I
see
that
and
would
love
to
hang
out
with
us.
B
B
No
okay,
seeing
none
I'm
going
to
move
on
and
so
the
sorry
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
is
now
closed.
And
the
item
is
before
the
commission.
B
Yeah,
there's
no
testimony,
so
perhaps
you
still
have
something
to
add
or
maybe
not
do
you
want
to
waive
your
rebuttal.
You'd
have
five
minutes
if
there's
more
to
add
ms
hopkins.
R
I
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
I
guess
in
closing
thank
you
for
the
time
and
we
appreciate
all
of
staff's
coordination
on
this
and
getting
it
kind
of
ready
to
present
to
you
guys
and
ready
to
construct
we're
excited
about
this
project
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
really
great
addition
to
this
for
boise
and
to
boise
as
a
whole.
So
with
that,
we
respectfully
request
for
your
favorable
recommendation
and
approval
of
the
pb.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
ms
hopkins.
Okay.
So
now
it's
closed
and
the
item
is
before
the
commission
and
I
am
open
for
emotion.
A
Well
I'll
go
ahead.
Can
you
hear
me?
A
Yes,
okay,
good,
I
moved
that
we
recommend
approval
of
car
20-20
and
approve
pud-0046
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report,
including
the
northern
straight
shot
sidewalk
connecting
the
two
ends
of
florence.
B
A
First
of
all,
let
me
commend
miss
miss
hopkins
and
her
team.
I'm
really
happy
to
see
this
kind
of
product
in
this
part
of
the
city
and
I'm
amazed.
There
wasn't
more
public
comment
or
opposition,
but
hey
so
be
it.
I
think,
on
the
sidewalk.
A
I
think
you
need
both
that
straight
shot
across,
because
what
we're
trying
to
encourage
is
is
we're
trying
to
connect
those
two
ends
of
florence
for
the
people
who
live
on
both
sides
of
florence
so
that
they
can
walk
through
and
we
can
create
a
more
connected
neighborhood.
I
just
don't
think
of
five
woods.
Five
foot
sidewalk
at
ground
level
is,
is,
you
know,
gonna,
be
detrimental
to
the
usefulness
of
that
green
space.
You
know
you
could
you
can
burn
it?
You
can
meander
it.
A
S
Madam
chair,
commissioner
squires,
I'm
just
really
excited
to
see
this
project.
You
know
when
we
listened
to
the
housing
density
ordinance
a
couple
of
meetings
ago.
You
know
this
is
exactly
what
we
were
hearing
is
needed.
You
know
in
that
30
to
60
range
ami,
so
I
think
the
da
modification
makes
sense
it
based
on
the
development
patterns
in
the
area
and
the
change
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
S
So
I
think
absolutely
we
should
we
should
make
that
recommendation
council.
I
think
you
know
the
interconnectivity
for
the
area
is
great.
It's
close
to
transit,
it's
close
to
commercial
employment.
D
D
You
know
for
the
whole
area,
not
just
the
site,
so
it
makes
total
sense
to
me
to
have
that
connection
running.
You
know
across
the
property
and
connecting
floor
and
street,
and
then
I
just
want
to
commend
the
design
team
on
their
efforts
here.
I
think
the
site
plan
is
an
improvement
over
the
previous
iteration
that
was
in
the
d.a,
and
you
know.
D
I
think
it's
a
good
lesson
that
if
you
want
to
get
a
project
you
know
approved,
meet
or
exceed
the
setbacks,
meet
or
exceed
the
parking
requirements
meet
or
exceed
the
bicycle
parking
requirements,
and
they've
done
all
of
that
here
and
I
think
the
zoning
is
absolutely
appropriate
for
the
area.
So
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
development
become
a
reality.
Nice
job.
P
I'm
also
in
support
of
the
motion,
because
I
think
it's
probably
the
easiest
way
to
just
get.
This
thing
moved
forward,
I'm
kind
of
half
of
one
six
of
the
other
on
the
sidewalk,
but
I
do
want
to
commend
stephanie
on
the
project.
It's
I'd
I'd
be
very
interested
to
sidebar
on
this
at
some
point
and
find
out
what
kind
of
capital
stack
you
used
to
be
able
to
make
these
rents
work
and
I'd
also
like
to
know
more
about.
P
It
sounds
like
what
they're
talking
about
is
wrap
around
services
here
for
the
residents,
and
so
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
really
don't
have
very
much
of
in
boise.
I
think
it's
a
great
spot
for
it,
and
I
think
this
could
be
a
really
good
object
lesson
for
other
developments
around
the
city.
If
that
is
indeed
what
they're
providing
so
good
job.
B
Great
okay:
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
recommend
approval
for
car
20-20
and
to
approve
pud
20-46-10881.
West
florence
drive.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote.