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From YouTube: Planning & Zoning Commission
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February 7, 2022
A
A
C
Thanks
crystal
it's
a
little:
how
do
we
wanna
do
this
people,
let's
open
it
up
for
discussion,
or
we
need
a
motion
from
somebody
to
elect
somebody
or
a
nomination?
A
motion
to
nominate
someone
any
takers.
C
E
C
Okay,
any
other
discussion
very
good.
I
suppose,
if
I'm
nominated,
I
probably
can't
vote
doesn't
matter.
C
Okay,
I
got
a
motion
to
elect
myself
as.
B
B
C
F
C
Excellent
all
right:
well,
let's
we
have
a
motion
to
elect
chris
stanley
as
co-chair
for
next
year.
Motion
a
second
will,
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role.
A
Very,
very
formal.
Yes,
congratulations!
Everybody!
Yes,
okay!
So
let's
go
through
the
agenda
tonight.
We
have
to
start
off
with
quite
a
few
meeting
minutes
to
accept
so
just
making
sure
we
go
through
those.
A
Then
first
up
we've
got
the
capital
improvement
plans.
We
will
be
hearing
those
as
we
received
a
letter
from
a
neighborhood
association.
I'm
just
a
reminder
that
any
neighborhood
associations
can
speak
on
this
one
tonight.
So
just
keep
an
eye
out
for
that.
We
do
have
one
person
from
the
public
signed
up
for
that.
A
The
second
item
is
a
pud
for
11
multi-family
units
on
you
stick.
We
will
be
hearing
that
as
well
as
there's
some
neighborhood
opposition
and
though
nobody
signed
up
in
advance
for
that
one
third
pud
on
boise
ave.
We
received
late
in
the
afternoon
a
request
for
deferral
to
the
april
4th
hearing
so
we'll
put
that
forward.
As
deferral
number
four
is
a
variance
on
gossamer.
It's
encouraging
the
regard
setback
again.
A
A
Number
six
is
the
one
we
can
try
for
consent.
It's
a
cup
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
to
be
located
in
front
of
the
primary
residence
and
we're
recommending
approval
and
then
number
seven
to
wrap
us
up
is
another
request
for
deferral
to
march
7th
by
the
applicant,
so
got
to
hear
a
lot,
but
hopefully
it'll
be
not
too
long.
C
A
C
F
H
I've
got
I
need
to
recuse
myself
from
item
one.
I
was
involved
in
the
discussions
with
my
neighborhood
association
to
serve
as
the
president
of
the
barber
valley
and
they've
got
questions
about
the
capital
improvement
plans
and
how
it's
related
to
the
parks
and
recs
portion
of
it.
H
Okay,
I'll
be
recusing
from
that,
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
Maybe
on
number
six,
if
we
defer
that-
or
I
mean,
if
we
put
on
consent,
is
there
work
on
our
code
to
talk
about
owner-occupied
requirements
for
adus?
I've
got
a
vested
interest
in
this.
I
I
built
an
adu
for
my
parents
and
and
when
they're
gone,
it
seems
like
that
restriction
for
immediate
family
or
immediate
family
living
in
one
or
the
other
seems
a
little
onerous.
Has
that
has
that
been
discussed
at
all.
A
I
I
I
figured
that
was
the
case,
so
so
it's,
I
guess,
talk
amongst
yourselves
it.
It
should
be
a
consensus
from
all
of
you,
but
obviously
bob
just
because
of
his
working
relationship
with
a
lot
of
different
projects
in
the
area.
The
co-chair
will
need
to
chair,
probably
more
than
what
bob
did
as
co-chair,
and
so,
if
dan,
commissioner
danley,
if
you
do
want
to
continue
to
co-chair,
we
will
need
to
make
sure
we
go
through
some
training
rather
than
if
meredith
was
chair
or
co-chair.
I
C
C
C
You
know
running
the
meeting
and
is
comfortable
with
the
process
of
running
the
meeting,
so
that
was
the
discussion
with
meredith
and
myself
previously,
so
just
those
two
cents
for
everybody.
C
C
No,
no,
I
don't
think
it
was
either.
I
think
it
was
just
a
matter
of
just
thinking
through
how
the
meetings
would
run
and
process
and
making
sure
everybody's
comfortable
with
how
to
run
the
meeting.
Now
I
think
I
mean
commissioner
danley
is
more
than
capable
of
running
the
meeting.
It's
just
a
matter
of
understanding
that
you
know
I
do
have
to
recuse
on
a
fairly
regular
basis.
Sure
yeah,
mr
chair.
E
Yeah,
please,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
commissioner
stead.
Staying
as
as
co-chair,
I
also
don't
have
a
problem
moving
forward.
E
You
know
in
in
that
role,
but
I
think
given
given
the
dynamics
at
play,
given
your
schedule
and
the
things
that
you
mentioned,
and
certainly
the
backlog
of
of
of
applications
that
we're
going
to
have
it's
going
to
be
quite
a
busy
season,
and
I
know
we're
already
short
staffed
as
it
is,
and
so
I
think,
as
a
certainly
also
as
a
as
a
favorite
of
staff,
given
their
limited
time,
I
think
it's
probably
appropriate
to
step
back
and
let
mayor
stead
continue.
His
co-chair.
J
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
that's
really
thoughtful
to
think
of
the
staff
that
way
I
for
for
me
it
was.
It
came
up
because
I
rarely
miss
a
meeting
and
so
therefore
could
easily
step
in
as
the
co-chair,
but
I'm
more
than
happy.
This
was
not
my
ask
our
decision,
so
I'm
sorry
that
it's
feeling
super
awkward
and
they
didn't
need
to
be
in
the
middle
of
all
this.
So
I'm
happy
with
whatever
the
commission
decides.
C
Okay,
well,
I
appreciate
chris.
I
appreciate
your
thoughts
about
staff
too.
I
hadn't
considered
that
component
that
we
do
have
sort
of
some
staff
influx
at
the
moment.
So
that's
certainly
a
valuable,
vital
insight.
I
think
too
so
at
this
point
we
probably
need
do
we
want
to
reevaluate
our
vote.
I
Commissioners,
I
just
want
to
apologize
again,
blame
it
on
pregnancy,
brain
or
something,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
clear.
So,
however,
you
want
to
proceed
tonight,
it's
up
to
you
all
right.
E
My
very
brief
stint
as
a
co-chair
and
hereby
nominate
commissioner
stead
to
be
co-chair
for
boise
pnz
for
the
next
term.
C
Okay,
very
good.
I
have
a
motion
to
have
a
second
second.
Okay
got
a
motion
in
a
second
to
re-elect,
former
chair
stead
as
co-chair
instead
any
more
discussion
on
the
matter.
B
A
A
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there's
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
Our
procedures
for
public
hearing
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
A
After
that,
we
proceeded
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
those
who
signed
up
on
the
sign
up
sheets
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
star
nine.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony.
We
are
stripped
at
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code.
A
C
C
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
C
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
Thank
you
all
for
virtually
attending
tonight.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
C
B
C
You
an
agreement
with
the
terms
and
condition
of
the
staff
report.
C
Okay,
excellent,
I
apologize.
Let
me
step
back
real,
quick
too.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
accessory
dwelling
located
in
front
of
a
primary
residence
on
.87
acres
in
r1c
zone.
So
again,
just
for
the
record,
mr
wagner,
you
are
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
Yes,
we
are.
Thank
you
great,
thank
you,
and
is
there
anyone
in
attendance
this
evening?
That's
here
to
testify
in
opposition
to
this.
C
C
J
Move
that
we
approve
the
consent
agenda
consisting
of
the
minutes
from
november
15th
december
6
december
13th
january
3rd
january
10th,
as
well
as
item
number
six
up,
21-69.
B
C
Very
good,
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
Any
discussion.
C
C
G
C
C
First,
one
is
item
number
three:
that's
pud,
21-55
cushing
terrell
at
2189,
west
boise
avenue
is
the
applicant
present
and
we
understand
you
would
like
to
defer
this
item
to
april
4th
2022.
Is
that
correct,
excellent
and
is
there
anyone
here
this
evening?
C
C
Very
good
let
the
records
show
no
hands
were
raised
and
no
one
in
you
know
in
person.
Can
I
hear
a
motion
please?
Mr.
J
B
C
C
C
Okay,
no
takers
on
either.
Can
I
hear
a
motion.
C
J
I
move
to
defer
item
number
seven,
sierra
21-42,
to
march
7th.
F
C
B
B
C
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
that
does
it
for
deferrals
we'll
go
ahead
and
return
to
the
front
of
our
agenda
with
item
number
one,
which
is
cpa,
21-6,
the
city
of
boise
capital
improvement
plans,
comprehensive
plan
text
amendment
and
I
think
we're
hear
from
staff.
B
C
M
M
If
you
would
like,
I
could
go
through
the
details
again
or
we
could
just
focus
on
individual
park
planning
areas
and
or
police
or
fire.
If
there's
questions
about
them,
there
is.
However,
there
are
two
updates
from
what
you
saw
back
in
at
the
beginning
of
january,
and
it's
not
any
new
projects.
It's
just
timing
has
changed.
M
So
I
just
I'm
not
sure
to
the
extent
that
you
care
about
that
level
of
detail,
but
just
to
quickly
give
you
that
so
on
the
central
bench
the
south
pool
was
moved
from
22,
which
was
obviously
a
typo.
It
was
not
going
on
right
now
into
25
and
liberty
park
moved
back
one
year
from
23
to
24.
M
M
Also,
and-
and
I
don't
recall
the
presentation-
I
gave
you
if
it
was
a
named
park
at
that
point
or
if
it
was
just
referred
to
as
the
northwest
park,
but
those
two
projects
are
synonymous
one
in
the
same.
It
was
just
early
on
in
the
process.
There
was
sensitivity
around
the
name,
so
it
was
referred
to
as
the
northwest
park,
but
there
was
also
boise.
Hills
was
moved
back
from
25
to
27
and
another
pool
project.
Lowell
was
moved
back
a
year
from
23
to
24.,
but
other
than
that.
M
The
entire
cip
remains
as
presented
on
the
third.
C
Okay,
very
good.
I
think
I
think
at
this
point
I
think
we're
probably
fine
leaving
it
there
at
that
high
level
and
then
obviously
we
have
questions.
We
can
get
a
little
more
specific
here
in
a
minute
delaney.
I
see
you're
you're.
Here
too
did
you
want
to
present
anything
right
now
or
should
we
just
go
ahead
and
dive
into
the
neighborhood
associations?
C
C
So
you
know
with
these
larger
cip
type
plans
we
typically
open
this
up
to
any
neighborhood
associations
that
are
in
attendance,
looks
like
we
have.
Mr
rob
stark
from
barber
valley
signed
up
ahead
of
time.
So
we'll
start
with
you
rob,
and
then
we
also
have
a
snail
of
friends
who
signed
up
as
well,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
she's,
representing
a
neighbor
association,
we'll
start
with
you,
mr
stark.
N
As
representatives
of
our
neighborhood,
we
strongly
strongly
object
to
any
plan
to
divert
funding
away
from
alta
harris
park
to
any
other
parks.
We
understand
that
construction
costs
have
increased
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
However,
continuing
to
divert
funds
away
from
alta
harris
will
only
further
delay
construction
of
this
much
needed
park
in
the
barber
valley.
N
The
barber
valley
is
severely
lacking
in
boise
parks
and
recreation
services
compared
to
other
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
There
is
only
one
city
park
in
the
barber
valley,
marianne
williams.
Well,
this
is
a
beautiful
park.
It
is
very
unique.
Marianne
williams
is
a
quiet
contemplative
park,
which
means
there's
no
playgrounds
play
fields.
No
dogs
allowed
no
bicycles
allowed.
N
While
we
are
fortunate
to
have
that
park,
we
continue
to
hear
from
families
residing
in
the
barber
valley
about
the
lack
of
access
to
parks
and
playgrounds
on
our
side
of
the
river
mayor.
Mclean
and
the
city
council
have
publicly
expressed
the
importance
of
the
goal
of
having
a
park
within
a
10-minute
walk
of
all
residents.
N
Almost
no
residence
in
the
barber
valley
can
reach
a
park
in
10
minutes
and
for
many
residents.
The
walk
is
over
an
hour,
arguably
the
worst
distance
in
the
city.
The
barber
valley
is
vastly
underserved
by
the
boise
parks
and
recreation
department.
Yet
there
is
consideration
of
the
councilwoman's
desire
for
a
micro
park
in
the
campus
neighborhood
that
is
already
a
short
walk
from
julia
davis,
ann
morrison,
kristin,
armstrong
park
center
and
williams
parks.
N
N
Yet
the
barber
valley
continues
to
be
given
short
shrift
in
regards
to
parks
and
rec
capital
improvements.
We
also
have
questions
about
how
these
numbers
came
about.
At
the
november
30th
city
council
meeting
mr
black
presented
a
proposed
park
impact
fee
in
southeast
boise,
the
fifteen
hundred
and
eleven
dollars
per
person
which
matched
the
numbers
from
the
development
impact
fee
advisory
committee
meeting
from
october.
N
In
addition,
since
november
30th,
a
line
item
for
a
micro
part
in
southeast
boise
for
1.25
million
dollars
was
added.
While
the
line
item
for
ulta
harris
was
reduced
from
4.8
million
to
3
million,
we
searched
public
meetings,
dyfac
pmz
city
council
and
we
hadn't
been
able
to
find
any
record
of
public
discussion
of
how
or
when
these
items
change.
N
C
O
G
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On
june
17,
2021
jennifer
tomlinson,
with
boise
parks
and
rec
held
a
neighborhood
meeting
for
the
mcgirdio
property
annexation.
Next,
during
this
presentation,
she
stated
that
approximately
10
million
dollars
in
park
impact
fees
has
been
collected
in
southwest
boise,
but
the
majority
of
the
money
was
spent
elsewhere.
4.3
million
was
spent
on
two
local
parks
that
are
outside
of
the
south
coal
neighborhood
association
area.
O
C
Yep,
okay,
all
right,
I
think
we've
covered
our
neighborhood
associations,
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
to
the
commission
for
any
questions
to
staff
or
the
neighborhood
associations.
C
F
I
missed
the
meeting
on
january
3rd
and
my
apologies
for
that.
Could
you
please,
as
staff,
address
the
comments
that
were
made
this
evening
just
to
put
that,
on
the
record
sure.
M
So
the
reference
was
made
to
the
edition
of
the
micro
park
and
the
change
of
alta
harris
from
what
I
believe
was
4.8
million
down
to
3
million
the
it
could
have
been.
It
was
yeah,
no,
never
mind
it
was
it
was
4.5
or
4.8.
I
I
apologize.
I
don't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head.
M
That
said,
that
was
based
on
the
discourse
during
the
that
reference
november
city
council
meeting,
as
well
as
subsequent
discussions
with
one-on-one
with
council
members
to
identify
their
any
additional
concerns
that
were
not
raised
at
that
meeting
and
frankly,
what
we
heard
were
was
no
additional
concerns
outside
of
the
one
that
council
member
clegg
raised
in
the
in
the
hearing
or
during
my
presentation
and
so
based
on
that
feedback.
M
We
we
adjusted
the
plan
taking
all
the
regional
amenities.
Only
excuse
me,
let
me
rephrase
that
limited
amenities
only
for
ulta
harris
and
inclu
and
adding
this
micro
park.
I
think
a
couple
things
that
are
that
are
worth
noting
is
this
is
not
the
only
money
that's
going
in
to
the
to
the
park?
There's
an
additional
1.2,
that's
in
the
plan,
1.2
million.
M
M
It
was
a
significant
escalation
in
construction
prices
and
what's
interesting
is
even
if
you
take
five
percent
escalate,
that
from
2016
or
from
2015
into
2021,
or
even
continue
to
2025,
when
the
parks
currently
being
contemplated,
you're
still
anywhere
from
1.2
to
2
million
dollars,
underfunded
relative
to
where
we
are
what
we're
proposing
today.
So
the
costs
have
gone
up
exponentially.
M
The
total
cost
for
the
project,
as
originally
contemplated,
approached
seven
million
dollars,
and
so
just
given
the
rate
of
collections
and
given
the
fact
that
the
southeast
impact
fee
fund
is
currently
slightly
underfunded.
M
It's
it
has
a
slight
balance
owing
to
the
capital,
the
city's
capital
fund,
because
of
money
advance
for
bowler.
You
know
by
the
time
that
is
paid
back
and
the
these
amenities
are
paid
back.
I'm
sorry
and
these
amenities
actually
are
are
the
park
is
greened
up
with
the
limited
amenities
placed.
M
M
That's
true,
not
only
in
this
case
but
elsewhere
across
the
city
and
so
projects
in
the
10-year
cip
tend
to
be
forward-loaded
and
so
we're
building
parks
before
we've
collected
all
the
money
over
that
10-year
period
to
pay
for
parks,
and
so
just
given
the
order
of
magnitude
here,
that's
that
is
the
reason
why
bowler
was
accelerated
because
we
basically
had
the
funds
today
versus
it's
unlikely,
even
by
2025,
we'll
have
the
funds
identified
on
this
sheet
to
do
the
development
at
that
point.
M
But
that
said,
that's
when
it's
on
the
plan
currently
just
because
it
was
the
this
fastest
feasible
date.
So
I
did
that
addressed
the
question,
or
was
there
more?
I
could.
Q
M
Oh
so,
just
in
general,
all
these
costs
identified
are
for
a
10-year
plan,
and
so
theoretically
we
don't
have
all
the
money
collected
for
any
given
project
until
the
end
of
10
years.
However,
that's
why
there's
the
prioritization
that
we
have
to
do
based
on
not
only
what's
laid
out
in
the
impact
fee
plan?
That's
a
part
of
this,
but
also
based
on
just
how
collections
actually
pan
out
as
opposed
to
how
we
plan
them
out.
M
So,
for
example,
if
we
were
to
be
running
behind
on
on
a
west
bench
project
or
I'm
sorry,
west
bend's
collections,
that
could
relate
the
result
in
the
delay
of
that
project
until
more
collections
are
realized,
but
all
of
our
projections
are
based
on
anticipated
collections
over
the
10
years.
The
issue
is
in
the
southeast:
it's
just
these
two
projects,
and
so
there's
not
really
like
the
area
that
I
just
referenced:
the
west
bench
where
there's
half
a
dozen
smaller
projects,
it's
very
easy
to
to
switch
between
those
projects
and
say:
okay.
M
Well,
we
have
the
funding
today
to
do
this
project,
but
we
are
delaying
this
other
one
because
we
don't
yet
have
the
funding
here.
The
issue
is
again
with
just
really
the
one
large
project,
it's
just
such
a
large
number
again,
because
it's
you're
just
seeing
the
the
three
million
here,
but
it's
4.2
when
you
include
the
amount,
that's
coming
from
regional
fees,
that
all
I'm
saying
is
the
timing
that
we
currently
have
on
the
schedule
we
think
is
feasible.
M
M
That
issue
largely
relates
to
annexation,
which,
fortunately,
I
am
not
involved
in.
I
just
know
that
this
plan
that
we're
developing
right
now
only
looks
at
development
within
the
city
of
boise,
and
so
since
that
park
site
is
not
in
the
city
of
boise.
It
is
not
reflected
in
this
plan.
C
R
Erica
schofield
7363
west
limelight
court,
I'm
going
to
address
three
issues
tonight.
First,
I
want
to
thank
mr
black
for
clarifying
the
gary
lane
naming
issue
I
that
was
my
first
concern
because
I
thought
there
was
some
confusion
there
as
well,
but
I'm
glad
to
see
that
that
that
will
be
clarified
in
this
document.
R
It's
important
because
the
record
that
I've
looked
at
with
the
city
pretty
much
shows
that
that
parcel
is
bought
with
park
impact
fees
years
ago
and
my
neighborhood,
which
is
right
across
the
street,
was
one
of
the
first
projects
to
pay
park
impact
fees
in
1994.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
this
park
happening.
R
I'm
concerned
the
700
000
might
not
be
enough
based
on
what
we're
seeing
in
construction
costs,
I'd
like
to
see
an
additional
300
000
added
to
that
just
because
every
time
I
look
at
the
city
council's
agenda,
we
see
increase
in
construction
costs.
That's
my
first
point,
my
second
point.
In
the
past,
the
capital
improvement
plan
document
has
always
specifically
referenced
the
area
of
impact.
It's
used
those
words
and
now
those
words
don't
show
up
at
all
in
this
document.
R
R
That
standard
is
kind
of
is
in
conjunction
with
ordinance
5517,
which
you
see
as
the
master
setting
plan
adopted
into
the
comprehensive
plan
and
shown
in
our
table
3,
which
is
a
1.5
mile,
4
minute
response
standard.
All
of
that
is
aligned
with
the
iso
3
rating,
which
our
city
has
had
for
years.
It's
too
much
to
go
into
to
try
to
explain
that
here,
but
it
serves
to
ensure
public
assets
are
well
protected.
R
It's
an
important
tool
in
liability
and
risk
management
and
helps
control
the
costs
for
insurance.
For
everyone,
so
we
always
see
public
safety
listed
as
a
strategic
priority
for
the
city,
yet
just
saying
it
does
not
make
it
so.
A
six-minute
response
standard
is
unacceptable
to
public
safety.
It
places
everyone,
including
our
first
responders,
at
significantly
higher
risk
for
bad
outcomes.
R
C
Okay,
I
see
no
hands
raised.
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead.
I
think
that
does
it
for
testimony
on
this
item.
We
can
have
mr
black
come
back
up
for
five
minutes
of
rebuttal.
M
I
honestly
don't
have
a
rebuttal
per
se
outside
of
you
know
thanking
ms
shofield
for
for
raising
those
issues,
and
I
am
I'm
sure
that
when
we
have
the
the
public
hearing
for
not
only
the
impact
fee
plan,
but
also
the
adoption
of
this,
this
amendment
that
will
be
have
all
hands
on
deck
to
address
those
issues
such
as
fire
level
of
service,
which
I
believe
and
believe
is
the
key
word
there.
M
It
has
to
do
with
accuracy,
not
accuracy,
completeness
of
reporting
that
the
2016,
which
is
part
of
the
reason
why
you're,
seeing
that
big
jump
on
the
on
the
retail
impact
fees,
just
because
we
have
better
data
on
calls
for
service,
and
so
I'm
guessing
it's
a
similar
issue
there,
where
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
complete
information
or
perhaps
not
complete,
but
much
better
information
than
we
had
historically,
as
opposed
to
a
degradation
and
level
of
service
from
four
minutes
to
six
in
terms
of
the
gary
lane
that
is
still
being
scoped.
M
So
I
don't
know
the
exact
dollars
that
will
ultimately
be
involved.
But
the
point
on
cost
overruns
is
is
duly
noted.
C
E
I
E
Impact
fees
are
incredibly
complicated
and
it's
just
never
an
easy
thing
and
I
totally
recognize
there's
this
notion
of
we
pay
into
it.
When
do
we
get
our
portion
of
it?
I
completely
understand
that
I've
seen,
for
example,
achd
used
to
have
four
different
districts.
Now
they
have
one
anything
in
downtown.
E
I
I
think,
maybe
maybe
council
has
some
additional
ideas,
but
at
this
point
I
think,
as
stated,
the
staff
has
done
a
good
job
in
trying
to
account
for
everything
all
these
different
moving
parts.
I
know
that
galena
colina
consultant
does
great
work
in
this
environment
and
has
been
doing
it,
for
I
think,
a
decade
and
a
half
two
decades
as
well.
So
I
have
confidence
that
moving
forward.
This
is
a
a
good
document,
as
is.
C
No
okay,
yeah,
I'm
gonna
I'll,
be
in
support
of
the
motion
as
well.
I
agree
with
commissioner
danley's
thoughts
on
the
matter.
I
appreciate
the
testimony
this
evening
as
well.
C
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
ways,
the
message
has
been
sent
with
your
testimony
right:
there's
frustration
in
some
of
these
parts
of
the
city
regarding
lack
of
progress
on
some
items,
so
you
know
I
think,
that
coming
here
tonight
and
giving
us
your
feedback,
I
think
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction
to
really
start
to
hopefully
get
some
movement
on
some
of
these
long-standing
projects.
C
It
is
complicated,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
we
shouldn't,
be
moving
forward
with
things
as
planned.
So
unless
I
missed
any
other
comments
from
the
commission,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
role
here
we
have
a
motion
or
to
recommend
approval
of
cpa
21-6.
G
C
S
Of
the
commission,
this
project
site
is
0.99
acres
located
at
11436,
west
eustic
road
in
the
r1c
zone.
The
site
is
bordered
by
vacant
lot
to
the
west
town
homes,
to
the
east,
single
family
homes
to
the
north,
and
the
project
is
in
with
close
proximity
to
designated
neighborhood
activity
center
at
west
eustic,
road
and
north
five
mile
road.
S
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
11
multi-family
attached
homes.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
utilize
the
multi-family
transit
incentive
density
bonus
for
r1c,
which
increases
the
allowed
density
from
8
dwelling
units
per
acre
to
12
dwelling
units
per
acre.
S
This
transit
incentive
density
bonus
is
allowed
for
multi-family
projects
where
the
parcel
is
adjacent
to
an
arterial
roadway
for
existing
or
planned
transit
service.
The
subject
parcel
is
adjacent
to
you.
Stick
road:
it's
an
rtl
roadway
with
a
future
plan.
Transit
route
by
valley,
regional
transit.
S
S
S
T
Good
evening,
commissioner,
and
my
name
is
ben
layman-
horton
lakey
law
offices,
141,
east
carleton,
avenue,
meridian,
idaho.
I
present
epic
development
in
this
had
many
great
conversations
with
delaney
about
this
project
and
kind
of
where
it's
going
and
what's
been
presented
to
you
all
and
any
of
the
terms
and
conditions
that
have
been
made
by
staff
are
agreeable
to
ethic
development
as
well
as
those
from
achd.
T
We've
also
reached
out
to
that
association
spoken
to
those
people
and
kind
of
got
their
input
as
to
it
like
delaney,
said,
though
they
feel
that
we've
met
or
exceeded
the
the
requirements
as
needed,
and
so
with
that,
I
would
just
stand
for
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
Okay,.
C
Great
and
sit
tight
on
questions
just
for
a
minute.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
see
if
we
got
someone
from
the
neighborhood
association
present
looks
like
that's
the
west
valley,
neighborhood
association,.
F
So
delaney
we
received
a
memo
that
there
are
updated,
elevations
update
site
plan,
but
it
doesn't
really
detail.
What
could
you
walk
us
through?
What
those
changes
are.
S
Great
so
attached
here
is
the
changes
to
the
elevations,
originally
they're,
more
of
a
modern
kind
of
sloped
roof.
We've
they've
modified
based
on
meeting
with
the
neighborhood
association,
have
a
more
residential,
less
modern,
more
cottage
feel
so
the
applicant
you
know,
was
willing
to
make
modifications
after
the
fact
after
they
already
submitted
so
staff
felt
this
product
still
met
our
requirements
and
seemed
to
satisfy,
to
a
certain
degree,
the
neighborhood
association.
As
far
as
changing
the
pitch
on
the
roof
modifying
that
for
a
different
feel.
U
U
So,
on
the
to
the
north,
oh,
is
that
backyards
for
single
family
houses.
S
Commissioner,
moore
chairman,
that
is
correct:
the
houses
to
the
north,
our
single
family
and
our
rear
yard
to
rear
yard.
U
Mr
chair,
please,
so
if
I'm
reading
the
side
plane
correctly,
there's
there's
some
front
doors
facing
their
rear
yard.
Is
there
any
modification
to
that
particular
elevation
intended
for
those
units
that
are
kind
of
facing
that
rear
yard.
S
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
moore
we
did
try
working
with
the
applicant
on
adjusting
the
location
of
the
front
doors.
The
site
is
a
little
bit
restricting
with
it's
kind
of
narrow.
We
did
discuss
trying
to
put
front
doors
alongside
those
internal
garages,
but
the
width
was
not
there
to
meet
the
fire
turn
around
access.
S
U
One
quick
follow-up,
so
is
there
any?
Are
there
any
large
trees
or
something
like
that?
I
I
think
that
might
be
a
civil
plan
that
we're
looking
at
right
there
just
to
kind
of
help
buffer
those
windows
a
little
bit
more.
S
Yeah,
commissioner,
mr
chairman,
the
plans-
maybe
not
the
ones
I
have
displayed
here,
but
we
are
requiring
some
tree
plantings
along
that
northern
property
line
or
that
rear
of
the
site,
so
additional
planting
along
the
property
line,
as
well
as
ornamental
planting
sort
of
within
those
front
door.
Grass
areas.
Thank.
B
S
Q
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair
delaney.
I
have
a
question:
could
you
talk
through
parking,
given
the
pud
application
to
include
bikes
and
motorcycles.
S
Yes,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
mooney
with
this
project,
there
is
provided
bicycle
parking.
It's
kind
of
at
the
end
of
that
hammerhead
area
might
be
a
little
hard
to
identify,
but
just
north
of
the
the
stub
of
that
hammerhead.
Additionally,
these
are
provided
with
two-car
garage.
They
do
exceed
our
parking
minimums
for
the
multi-family
units,
so
we
believe
there's
ample
parking
both
within
the
garage
outside
exterior
bike
parking,
as
well
as
driveway
apron
parking
provided,
and
so
that
being
said,
every
you
know,
parking
requirement
via
bike
or
vehicle
is
being
met.
E
S
Mr
chair,
commissioner
danley
the
site
plans
were
revised
again
to
provide
the
change
in
elevations
and
whatnot,
and
we
had
a
few
other
minor
alterations.
They
did
come
back
more
meandering
than
the
original
speaking
with
the
applicant.
I
don't
believe
they
have
a
strong
preference.
So
if
we
would
like
to
make
clear
to
keep
those
nice
and
straight,
I
think
we're
we
have
agreement
on
all
parties
for
that.
E
Mr
sure,
mr
daley
question
for
the
applicant.
E
T
Sure,
commissioner
daley,
mr
sure,
the
challenge
there
is,
of
course
is
the
commission
knows
you.
You
have
to
seek
permission
and
get
an
easement
to
be
able
to
cross
over
somebody
else's
property.
We
had
reached
out
to
the
owners
of
of
that
property
and
sought
tried
to
seek
some
kind
of
access
from
that
way.
T
That
was
actually
the
original
plan
and
it
was
built
out
and
designed
in
that
way,
but
unfortunately
we
were
unable
to
get
that
access,
and
so
that's
why
it
is
the
way
it
is
it
just
kind
of
ended
up
that
way.
We
did
make
attempts,
though,
and
they
just
were
unfruitful.
C
Thank
you
delaney,
quick
question
from
me.
I
just
want
to
understand
that
neighborhood
association's
concerns
about
the
the
patios
and
the
grills,
and
you
know
generally
kind
of
a
messy
look,
maybe
is
that
that
concern
was
regarding
the
front
doors
of
the
face
you
stick
primarily.
Is
that
my
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
S
Mr
chairman,
in
speaking
with
the
neighborhood
association,
I
believe
they
were
kind
of
referencing
front
porches
that
were
facing
music,
but
also
concerns
on
balconies.
S
C
B
C
Doesn't
look
like
we
have
any
takers
on
this
item
so
typically,
this
is
where
the
applicant
gets
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
if
you
want
to
yield
that
time.
That
is
completely
up
to
you
or
you're.
Welcome
to
make
a
couple
of
final
statements
if
you'd
like
to
say
we'll
yield
time.
Okay,
great!
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Q
Q
I
moved
to
approve
pd
21-60,
along
with
the
recommended
and
standard
conditions
of
approval.
Second,.
Q
Yeah
quickly,
I'll
just
go
over
my
notes
that
the
there's
a
similar
residential
density
to
with
the
town
homes,
I
think
we're
at
11
units
per
acre,
whereas
the
townhomes
are
eight
units
per
acre.
So
it's
pretty
comparable
with
all
the
density
transient
parking
bonuses,
the
application
meets
the
density,
height
and
parking
requirements
of
the
zone.
Let's
see
what
else
I
know
achd
didn't
comment,
but
those
conditions
will
be
incorporated
into
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval,
so
I
think
that's
covered
as
well
so
yeah.
Q
I
think
that's
why
I
think
this
is
a
good
project
and
we
can
move
forward
with
it.
From
my
viewpoint,.
C
C
F
C
G
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
go
ahead
and
keep
on
moving
to.
I
believe
item
number
four
is
next
up:
that's
cva
21-58,
janet
yokan
yokon
at
two
three,
four,
nine
east
gossamer
lane.
This
is
a
variance
to
encode
into
the
year
rear
yard
setback
for
an
elevated
deck.
K
I
apologize
that
I
dropped
it
in
the
wrong
wrong
date.
Okay,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
variance
to
encroach
to
the
rear
setback
for
an
elevated
deck
on
0.1
acres
located
at
2349,
east
gossamer,
lane
and
r1c
zone.
The
surrounding
area
is
comprised
of
detached
single-family
homes
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
vicinity
map,
the
property
is
also
located
within
the
100-year
flood
plain
of
the
boise
river.
K
The
social
property
contains
a
single-family
house,
and
the
proposed
elevated
deck
is
located
in
the
rear
yard
area,
elevated
decks
greater
than
one
foot
in
height,
and
this
one
is
approximately
two
are
required
to
comply
with
setbacks,
and
this
deck
will
encroach
six
feet
into
the
rear
yard
setback.
There
is
an
exceptional
circumstance
associated
with
the
subject
property
to
justify
the
variance.
This
justification
is
that
the
raised
deck
would
protect
the
three
existing
18-inch
diameter
trees
within
the
backyard
it
would
prevent
soil
compaction,
which
would
potentially,
which
could
potentially
damage
the
roots
of
these
trees.
K
K
A
neighbor
did
express
concerns
with
the
variants
in
regard
to
the
potential
loss
of
privacy
in
their
backyard.
To
address
this
issue,
as
I've
already
stated,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
landscape
the
rear
property
line
which
will
provide
screening
between
the
site
and
the
adjacent
properties.
In
conclusion,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
variants.
Thank
you.
C
Good
evening
this
is
it
yokan
or
yokan.
C
Can
okay
hi
there
go
ahead
and
stage
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
you'll
have
10
minutes
to
present
your
project.
D
Thank
you.
My
name
is
janet
yokan.
I
reside
with
my
husband
at
2349,
east
gossamer,
lane
good
evening,
chair
schaefer
and
fellow
commissioners
for
taking
the
time
to
listen.
Mr
moser
explained
it
pretty
concisely.
We
have
been
in
our
home
for
10
years
and
we
had
a
prior
deck
that
we
had
to
demolish
that
was
built.
Originally,
it
was
on
a
bigger
footprint
than
what
we
are
proposing.
D
How
that
happened.
I
don't
know
because
we
seem
to
be
challenged
by
the
setback,
but
the
it
is
a
very
difficult
geography
for
our
backyard.
We
have
three
large
trees.
The
root
structure
is
reaching
into
the
house.
We
had
considered
a
raised
patio,
except
that
it,
the
compaction,
would
have
killed
the
roots.
So
we
went
to
a
deck.
D
D
We
are
in
the
flood
plain.
The
house
was
originally
built
to
be
out
of
the
flood
plain
we
are
trying
to
match
the
main
level
with
that
of
the
house.
I'm
trying
to
think
of
anything
else.
D
I
think
in
general,
that
is
it.
There
are
exceptional
circumstances
and
also
hardship.
D
The
trees
have
made
it
very
difficult
for
us
to
plan
around
so
we're
asking
for
an
additional
six
feet,
in
addition
to
the
five
feet
that
we
have
outside
of
the
setback
to
make
a
usable
deck
of
approximately
11
to
12
feet,
which
would
allow
for
a
9
foot
setback
and
in
addition,
mr
moser
had
indicated
that
we
have
a
drainage
easement
of
10
feet,
so
we'll
cantilever
for
the
last
foot,
so
that
we
don't
encroach
on
that
drainage
easement
and
we
have
setbacks
on
the
side
of
five
feet
each
and
we
will
not
encroach
into
those
with
that.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
First
before
you
go
to
questions
first,
we'll
check
in
see
if
we
have
any
representative
from
the
neighborhood
association,
that's
southeast
neighbor
association.
B
E
Mr
mr
danley,
just
a
quick
one,
and
this
can
be
for
staff
or
the
applicant
really,
but
I'll
ask
david
david
in
in
our
stack
report,
under
the
condition
or
the
approval
criteria
and
the
conditions
thereof.
Nothing
is
specifically
stated
about
this
additional
landscaping
and
I
understand
why?
Because
it's
not
a
requirement,
I'm
wondering
maybe
to
the
applicant
we
okay
with
adding
that
to
make
it
official.
K
Mr
chair
remembers
the
commission,
you
could
definitely
add
it.
I
think
I
just
referenced
the
actual
revised
site
plan
that
judge
that
shows
the
landscaping.
D
E
Correct,
what's
what's
already
been
graciously
opted
in
by
you,
the
the
applicant
just
making
it
official
as
part
of
a
term
of
condition.
D
Yes,
that
would
be
fine.
We,
we
did
have
a
neighbor
concerned
from
behind
us,
as
well
as
one
other
concern
with
regard
to
privacy,
but
with
regard
to
privacy,
it's
equally
as
important
to
us,
so
we
we
had
planned
on
doing
privacy
landscaping
it
it
showed
up
earlier
in
the
plan
than
when
we
were
actually
doing
the
finalized
deck
plans.
But
we
are.
We
are
comfortable
with
this.
H
Yeah
I've
got
a
question
for
staff
david,
so
I
understand
the
exceptional
circumstances:
the
protection
of
the
three
trees
and
soil
compaction.
It
was
so
I'm
trying
to
understand.
Are
we
saying
that
a
two-foot,
elevated
deck
will
not
compact
the
root
structure
of
those
three
trees
and
a
one-foot
deck?
Will
I
mean
that
that
seems
kind
of
strange.
K
Mr
chair
members
of
commission,
the
elevator
any
elevated
deck
would
probably
avoid
the
compaction
of
the
of
the
trees
compo
or
proposed
to
a
in
the
ground,
concrete
deck
that
you
know.
We
actually
do
the
we
disturb
the
soil,
so
you
are
correct.
Any
elevated
deck
be
a
one
foot
or
two
or
two
foot
would
would
satisfy
that.
H
K
Mr
chair
members
of
commission,
that
is
correct,
dex
I
well
it'd
have
to
be
under,
I
think,
a
foot,
so
you
need
like
11
inches.
But,
yes,
you
are
correct
right.
H
I
think
janet.
This
has
been
great,
that
you've
worked
with
the
neighbors
on
this
and
the
privacy
issue.
I
guess
I'm
just
struggling
with
the
that
one
foot
versus
two
foot
in
the
soil
compaction
and
just
complying
with
the
code.
I
guess
I'm
not
too
strong
with
the
exceptional
circumstance
here
to
preserve
this
race
deck
janet.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that?
I
guess
a
question
for
the
applicant.
D
You
can
hear
you
can
hear
me
correct,
yes,
okay,
so
perhaps
I
I
didn't
how
we
got
to
the
at
base
level.
Elevation
for
the
deck
was
one
because
the
columns
you
have
that
in
your
packet
to
the
side,
there's
you
could
probably
see
it
on
the
landscape
plan.
D
D
We
actually
right
out
of
the
door
jam,
had
a
foot
drop
to
get
to
a
two-foot
landing,
and
then
we
had
to
go
off
to
the
side
to
avoid
those
columns.
So
the
architectural
design
of
the
house
is
actually
a
big
hardship
for
us
in
our
design
plans,
because
these
structural
columns
on
the
corner
of
the
roofline
are
directly
in
front
of
the
door
so
to
of
one
foot
or
two
foot.
D
The
two
foot
has
nothing
when
we
got
to
the
compaction
issue
that
was
about
raising
the
the
deck
up
to
floor
level
in
a
patio
version
and
they
would
have
put
fill
in
and
that
would
have
killed
the
roots.
We've
always
wanted
to
have
our
deck
at
door
jamb
level,
so
that
we
have
safe
movement
around
our
deck.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
room
in
the
deck
as
a
whole.
It's
going
to
be
11
or
12
feet
deep.
D
D
In
addition
to,
as
we
are
aging
and
we
are,
we
will
have
a
deck
that
we
can
safely
get
in
and
out
of
over
the
rest
of
our
life,
because
we
do
not
plan
to
move
the
privacy.
D
The
deck
before
that
the
neighbors
faced
was
only
nine
inches
lower
than
the
deck
that
we're
proposing
and
there
are
is
already
landscaping
in
the
way
we
just
need
to
fill
in
the
few
holes
that
we
have
agreed
to
do
where
they
won't
see
us
sitting
or
standing
on
that
particular
side
and
the
rest
of
the
neighbors
really
had
no
problem
plus
they
already
had
landscaping
on
their
sides,
so
the
safety
is
probably
for
my
husband
and
I
the
main
issue
of
being
able
to
get
out
on
the
deck
and
maneuver,
in
whatever
form
we
are
when
we're
80
years
old
and
having
stairs
would
make
it
so
difficult
that
we
would
not
even
be
able
to
have
a
landing
coming
out
of
the
door.
D
So
so
I
stand
for
any
more
questions
here.
C
C
Okay,
no
takers,
and
then
I
guess,
miss
yokan.
If
you,
this
is
again
your
your
time
for
a
rebuttal,
there's
really
no
questions
to
rebut
here
or
testimony
to
rebut
any
other
final.
Any
final
comments.
D
No
thank
you,
I
think
it's
case
has
been
stated.
C
E
Mr
chairman,
mr
danley,
I
moved
that
item
number
four
cva
21-58
be
approved,
as
in
with
the
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
A
E
I
was
going
to
add
the
language
I
inquired
about,
but
don't
feel
I
need
to
and
don't
want
to
add
any
additional
hardship
or
an
inspection
later
on,
or
anything
like
that.
I
think
that
I've
heard
what
I
need
to
hear.
I
think,
there's
a
commitment
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
don't
need
to
add
anything
else
to
the
application.
E
I
believe
that
the
hardship
has
been
proven.
I
think
staff
did
a
good
job
describing
that
and
have
no
problem
with
the
project
overall,
and
I
actually
want
to
complement
the
applicant
for
taking
the
extra
step
to
do
the
things
that
are
not
specific
to
code
and
and
hopefully
ensuring
that
this
be
a
more
seamless
product
overall.
C
U
And
obviously
it's
part
of
the
motion,
I
think,
in
reference
to
the
one
foot
versus
two
feet
in
this
particular
case.
I
think
it
makes
sense
just
because
the
the
finished
floor
was
built
a
little
bit
higher
to
accommodate
the
flood
elevation.
So
I
think
in
this
case
it's
different
than
many
other
sites
that
we
might
encounter
in
the
city
and
that
it
is
in
that
flood
elevation
so
that
that
additional
foot
does
doesn't
exist.
C
B
C
Very
good,
thank
you.
All
we'll
go
we'll
go
ahead
and
take
a
five
minute
break,
we'll
be
back
at
7
15.
C
B
V
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
item
before
you
is
the
variance
to
encroach
into
the
side
setback
for
a
residential
addition
on
0.15
acres
located
at
317,
south
jackson
street
in
a
c-1d
zone.
The
existing
home
on
the
parcel
currently
encroaches
five
feet
into
the
required
10
foot
setback.
Approval
of
the
variance
would
allow
the
addition
to
encroach
into
the
setback
by
the
same
amount.
V
V
Furthermore,
the
placement
of
the
existing
garage
precludes
the
applicant
from
shifting
the
addition
north
in
order
to
comply
with
the
setback.
Granting
of
a
variance
will
not
be
in
conflict
with
the
comprehensive
plan
or
effective
change
in
zoning.
There
has
already
been
an
existing
encroachment
in
this
location
and
the
variance
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
or
welfare.
B
C
C
B
C
Okay,
well,
we
might
have
to
defer
to
staff
or
maybe
legal
advice
here.
If
the
applicant's
not
present,
do
we
take
that
as
they
are
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report.
C
Great,
thank
you,
mary
all
right
with
that.
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
this
up
to
questions
of
staff.
H
Sarah,
thank
you.
Could
you
steph
could?
Could
we
go
back
to
the
overhead
picture?
I
have
a
question
just
for
my
knowledge
on
this
10
foot
in
the
commercial
c1d
district.
The
next
slide.
I
think,
on
that
one
right
there.
So
those
two
parcels
south
of
the
applicant's
parcel
the
abut
the
east-west
abutment
there.
V
H
So
from
what
mr
chair-
yes,
please,
commissioner
mooney,
so
what
I
understand,
then,
is
that
that
should
be
a
greater
offset
between
those
two
residential
structures
on
those
two
parcels
is
that
am
I
misunderstanding:
that
the
request.
H
V
V
H
Thank
you,
mr
mr
chair.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
going
with
mr
mciver's
rule
of
law
letter,
which
was
pretty
clear
that
the
applicant
could
could
add
on
to
his
existing
1920
residence
by
coming
out
the
west
side
of
his
house
and
elling
around
to
the
west
side
of
the
existing
garage
or
attaching
to
the
existing
project.
H
I'm
just
struggling
with
why
you
can't
do
this
in
accordance
according
to
the
code,
as
mr
mciver
wrote
in
his
opposition,
can
you
help
me
with
that
staff.
V
Mr
chair,
commissioner
mooney,
I
believe
the
main
reasoning
for
that
and
the
applicant's
not
here
to
speak
to
it,
but
I
believe
the
main
reasoning
is
because
of
the
internal
layout,
where
that
extension
would
be,
is
an
extension
of
the
dining
room.
That's
existing
and
then
the
addition
of
a
bedroom
and
bathroom
is
further
north
towards
that
garage.
C
I
have
a
question
sabrina,
so
it
looks
like
looking
at
the
addition
you
know.
They're
essentially,
I
mean
they're
only
adding
I'm
understanding
this
correctly
they're
only
adding
about
five
eight
feet
to
the
structure
on
that
south
on
that
side
of
the
house,
and
then
the
remainder
of
that
addition
on
that
south
side
is
over
covered
patio.
Is
that
that's
correct.
C
Q
Chair
commissioner
pinfrock,
I
move
to
approve
cpa
21-57,
along
with
the
recommended
and
standard
conditions
of
approval.
J
C
Q
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
I
think
just
as
they
pointed
out
in
the
staff
report,
their
you
know
the
existing
home
pretty
much
encroaches
into
that
side
setback,
and
so
I
think
they're
just
trying
to
match
that
setback
with
that
new
build
and
then
kind
of
keep
it
consistent
and
like
it
was
pointed
out
that
exceptional
circumstance
and
the
current
setbacks
are
set
for
the
c1
zone.
But
if
it
was
in
like
an
r1
zone,
it
would
just
be
like
a
10-foot
requirement.
Q
So
I
think
for
that
reason,
and
that
there's
not
a
lot
of
comment
here.
I
think
I
just
moved
to
approve
this
application.
B
C
Very
good,
all
right:
let's
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
cva
21-57,
with
all
the
terms
and
condition
as
written
in
the
snap
report.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
role.
C
Okay,
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
item
number
eight.
This
is
car21-38
and
pud
21-62
latent
construction
at
8373
victory
road.
This
is
a
re-zone
of
approximately
15
acres
from
a1
to
r3d
with
a
da
and
then
an
associated
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
301
multi-family
units,
and
we
will
hear
from
miss
garlic
again.
S
S
S
It
is
bordered
along
the
east
by
south
milwaukee
lane
uses
to
the
east
and
south
include
boise
independent
school
district
office
high
school,
a
junior
high
school
to
the
north
across
west
victory.
Road
is
a
mix
of
uses
including
single
family,
outdoor
storage,
commercial
and
industrial
west
of
tribuco
avenue
is
a
park
crest
subdivision,
which
is
a
which
is
comprised
of
detached
and
attached
residential
homes
located
within
ada
county.
S
S
S
S
S
S
Amenities
on
the
site
would
include
a
community
clubhouse
fitness
facility,
rooftop
patio,
outdoor
swimming
pool,
playgrounds
and
two
dog
parks,
internal
driveways
and
pathways
provide
connectivity
and
integration
to
the
surrounding
property.
The
site
does
have
direct
access
to
an
existing
bus,
stop
along
the
east
on
milwaukee
lane.
S
A
condition
of
approval
requires
that
this
development
provide
an
improved
permanent,
sheltered
bus.
Stop
to
the
site.
The
proposed
multi-family
use
is
consistent
with
blueprint
blueprint,
boise
compatible
with
the
surrounding
mix
of
uses
and
is
adequately
served
by
existing
utilities
and
city
services
due
to
the
specific
use
and
location
of
the
property.
A
development
agreement
was
included,
and
this
would
provide
assurances
that
the
goals
of
the
neighborhood
will
be
supported
and
that
any
modifications
in
the
future
would
require
additional
public
hearing
process.
S
The
cda
will
tie
the
rezone
to
the
conceptual
plan
submitted.
It
will
also
place
limitation
on
where
vehicular
access
can
go.
Maximum
density
and
location
of
the
three-story
structures,
planning
and
zoning
commission
can
add,
delete
or
modify
these
conditions,
which
will
ultimately
be
considered
at
city
council.
S
S
Achd
did
their
own
observation
of
traffic
impacts
in
the
a
and
peak
hour
and
based
on
those
observations,
they
did
require
some
mitigation,
so
their
change
in
common
letter
really
comes
down
to
inadequate
storage
for
queuing
in
the
dedicated
northbound
left
turn
lane,
and
they
recommend
for
mitigation
to
widen
trabuco
avenue,
abutting
the
site
to
three
lanes,
and
that
would
be
from
victory
road
to
the
site
access.
S
Additionally,
public
comment
was
received
both
during
the
review
and
as
late
correspondence
in
general.
Those
concerns
regarding
the
rezone
and
pud
were
in
regards
to
the
high
density
housing
within
a
mixed
use.
Land
use,
designation
traffic
increase
safety
concerns
and
incompatibility
with
the
existing
neighborhood
staff.
Considered
these
comments.
S
S
Additionally,
the
safety
concerns
and
traffic
concerns,
I
think,
were
all
addressed
in
both
the
tis
and
achd
comment,
letters
which
I
feel
address
those
traffic
impacts
to
the
area.
With
that
a
planning
staff
does
recommend
approval.
The
motion
needed
tonight
is
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
the
rezone
in
a
final
decision
on
the
pub.
Thank
you.
W
Mr
chair
commissioners,
alex
drexel
3034,
sequoia
salt
lake
city,
utah
development,
director
of
leighton
construction.
Speaking
on
behalf
of
the
application
for
8373
west
victory
road.
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
our
exciting
project
here
tonight.
First,
I
want
to
thank
delaney
with
the
city
of
boise
for
her
hard
work
and
quick
responsiveness
throughout
the
duration
of
our
application
process.
W
W
W
Other
members
of
the
development
team
are
also
participating
by
zoom
and
are
available
to
answer
questions.
This
specific
development
will
likely
be
our
first
wellness
housing
project.
We
deliver
in
the
market
and
brings
a
differentiated
for
rent
housing
option
to
the
boise
residents
and
a
community
in
desperate
need
of
a
this
very
product
type.
W
In
the
midst
of
a
challenging
housing
market,
we
will
soon
identify
some
of
the
specific
factors
of
the
project,
but
in
general
this
will
be
a
highly
amenitized
community,
emphasizing
walkability
social
interaction
and
the
overall
wellness
of
our
residents
well
toward
the
owner
is
a
national
leader
in
health
and
wellness
space
and
a
long-term
holder
in
all
our
assets.
W
As
such,
the
cons,
the
concerns
and
complex
community
dynamics
are
of
great
importance
to
our
team.
Through
a
pair
of
neighborhood
meetings
and
several
iterations
of
our
site
plan,
we
adjusted
multiple
aspects
of
the
plan
to
address
common
concerns
and
questions
from
the
members
of
the
community.
We
appreciate
the
thoughtful
feedback
and
look
forward
to
growing
together.
A
common
motto
within
our
team
is
that
is
what's
good,
for
the
community
is
good
for
our
project.
Thank
you.
X
Good
evening,
members
of
the
commission,
deborah
nelson
with
601
west
bannock,
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I
do
we
have
the
do.
I
have
control,
I
guess
I
don't
have
it
okay,
I
can
go
through
it.
I,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
just
maybe
skip
that
and
we'll
skip
the
vicinity
map
just
in
the
interest
of
time
yeah,
because
delaney
gave
a
great
overview
of
the
application
here.
X
The
r3
also
provides
a
needed
housing
type
in
this
area,
where
you
don't
have
high
density
housing
right
here,
and
it
provides
a
great
transition
to
the
lower
density,
single
family
residential
to
the
west
and
the
non-residential
uses
to
the
north,
south
and
east
next
slide.
Please,
the
proposed
r3
zoning
is
also
consistent
with
your
comprehensive
plan
policies
that
call
for
locating
higher
density
residential
within
a
quarter
mile
of
transit.
X
X
So
so
this
development
victory
flats
will
provide
needed
high
density
housing
along
a
transit
corridor
that
will
provide
transit
access
to
employment,
to
commercial
locations
at
cole,
road
in
id4
and
really
throughout
the
entire
vrt
connected
system.
Next
slide,
please,
on
this.
Looking
at
the
site
plan,
the
development
team
has
really
taken
a
place
making
approach
to
design
with
a
focus
on
wellness.
As
alex
mentioned,
walkability
healthy
lifestyle,
sociability
gathering
places
the
primary
amenities
are
centrally
located,
including
a
clubhouse
pool
dog
park
and
large
landscape
lawn
areas.
X
The
residential
block
design
internally
is
intentionally
designed
to
create
a
community
with
connecting
sidewalks
pathways
to
create
easy
access
to
the
clubhouse
to
the
bus,
stop
to
adjacent
schools
and
creating
a
walking
loop
around
the
perimeter.
Surface
parking
is
minimized.
Internal
trees
provide
shade
and
attractive
streetscape.
X
The
development
proposes
a
variety
of
housing
sizes
and
options
and
I'll
get
a
little
bit
more
into
that
further.
On
next
slide,
please
the
site
is
accessed
on
tribuco
avenue
to
the
west
and
milwaukee
lane
to
the
east.
Achd
has
reviewed
and
approved
the
traffic
impact
study
for
the
development
as
delaney
was
describing
to
mitigate
the
traffic
impacts.
Achd
is
requiring
the
development
to
widen
trabuco
avenue
down
to
the
site
entrance.
X
This
will
provide
a
dedicated
turn
lane
into
the
development
and
also
will
help
to
alleviate
an
existing
traffic
problem
on
trabuco,
where
the
stacking
wasn't
long
enough
to
allow
the
cars
waiting
to
turn
left
at
the
am
peak
hour
without
also
blocking
cars.
That
would
like
to
turn
right
and
so
by
widening
that
that
will
really
improve
an
existing
condition
as
well.
X
Next
slide,
please
turning
to
some
of
the
residential
layout
here
there
will
be
a
mix
of
studio,
one
two
and
three
bedroom
residences,
all
within
different
building
types.
As
delaney
mentioned,
the
larger
three-story
apartment
buildings
with
the
tuck
under
parking
are
oriented
on
the
northeast
corner,
a
long
victory
and
away
from
the
single
family
to
the
west.
A
variety
of
two
and
three
story:
town
home
buildings,
four
plex,
8,
plex
and
12
plex-
will
be
interior
to
the
site.
X
The
western
boundary
will
include,
and
really
most
of
the
perimeter
outside
of
the
apartments
will
include
those
four
plex
townhomes
that
are
only
two
story:
creating
a
nice
buffer
to
our
neighbors.
The
next
slide,
please,
you
can
really
see
that
illustrated
here
with
the
pink
being
the
two-story
buildings.
X
Let's
skip
the
next
few
elevations
please
and
go
to
the
clubhouse
just
to
show
you
some
concepts
of
the
indoor
outdoor
fitness
area,
the
large
workspaces
event,
spaces
for
residents,
there's
a
theater
room
amenities
for
all
ages,
with
a
25
meter
pool
that
could
be
for
laps
or
play
pet
friendly
community
with
a
dog
park.
Next
slide.
Please
and
delaney
showed
you
this
concept.
Of
course
this
will
have
to
go
through
design
review
as
well,
but
gave
you
some
some
themes
to
consider
here
next
slide.
X
X
Finally,
we
just
have
one
request:
we're
in
agreement
with
the
project
report
and
appreciate
all
the
work
of
delaney.
We
have
one
request
for
the
commission
to
consider,
and
that
is
for
the
existing
sidewalk
on
milwaukee.
Our
site
is
on
the
left-hand
side
of
this
picture
to
remain
it
is
already
built
out.
X
We
prefer
not
to
have
the
unnecessary
lost
and
resources
and
demolition
to
remove
and
move
an
existing
sidewalk
and
and
for
your
consideration,
as
you
think
about
that,
I
we
we
look
to
the
improvements
directly
across
the
street,
but
that
we
will
be
mirroring
that
same
attached,
five-foot,
sidewalk
and
so
the
appearance
on
this
side
of
the
street
will
match
the
other.
X
We
would
not
be
using
this
request
to
increase
any
of
our
buildable
area,
we're
simply
flipping
the
five
foot
sidewalk
to
be
attached.
The
eight
foot
landscape
street
would
be
a
strip
would
be
added
onto
the
back
side
of
that.
In
addition,
with
the
11
feet
of
already
landscaped
setback,
there
you'll
have
quite
a
nice
buffer
to
the
street,
similar
to
what
you
see
directly
across
the
street.
Milwaukee
has
already
improved
to
a
three-lane
road,
so
this
one
is
not
likely
to
change
across
the
street
either.
X
All
of
the
other
treatments
throughout
the
development
along
tribuco
and
everywhere
else
would
match
the
recommended
conditions
on
tribuco
in
particular.
The
park
strip
of
eight
feet
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
provide
additional
buffer
to
the
western
neighbors.
So
that
is
our
our
one
request
for
your
consideration
and
thank
you
for
listening.
C
Okay
thanks
next
we'll
hear
from
the
neighborhood
association,
which
I
believe
is
the
south
coal
neighborhood
association.
O
My
name
is
stila
friends
and
I
live
at
7604
west
thunder
mountain
drive.
I
am
the
president
of
south
pole,
neighborhood
association,
and
I
am
also
a
licensed
professional
engineer
to
be
clear.
From
the
beginning,
the
south
cold
neighborhood
association
is
requesting
the
denial
of
cir
2138
and
pud
2162.
O
O
O
So
we
will
start
with
the
surrounding
land
use.
The
property
lies
to
the
south
of
victory.
Road
between
maple
grove
and
coal
to
the
west
lies
the
park.
Crest
subdivision
to
the
south
lies
west
junior
high,
with
a
current
count
of
819
students
and
frank
church
high
school,
with
a
capacity
of
500
students
to
the
e-splice
dennis
technical
center,
which
provides
rotc
and
much-needed
technical
training
for
four
area.
High
schools,
borah
high
boise,
high
capital,
high
and
timberline
high.
O
They
bus
students
back
and
forth
throughout
the
day.
Also
to
the
east
lies
the
boise
school
district.
Administrative
building,
the
roadways
into
the
property
are
tribucal
avenue
to
the
west
and
milwaukee
lane
to
the
east.
Next
I
want
to
give
you
a
quick
history
of
west
junior
high
west
junior
high
used
to
be
located
at
711
north
curtis
road,
which
is
located
kitty
corner
from
saint-el's
hospital
and
right
next
to
the
large
white
bulk
fuels
tanks.
You
see
along
curtis
and
emerald
at
some
point
in
the
80s
or
90s.
O
It
became
apparent
that
these
bulk
fuel
storage
tanks,
which
contain
gasoline
diesel
and
jet
fuels,
were
leaking.
In
fact,
the
location
where
I
obtained
this
historical
photo
of
west
junior
high
included
comments
from
its
former
students
who
talked
about
daily
headaches
from
the
intense
smell
of
gasoline
and
it
took
years.
But
in
2006
a
bond
election
was
passed
with
overwhelming
public
support
to
relocate
west
junior
high,
which
now
sits
in
a
much
healthier
area,
surrounded
by
residential
and
margeria
park.
O
Next,
here
you
will
notice
that
the
surrounding
residential
land
use
is
zoned
by
ada,
county
r1,
r2,
r4,
r6
and
r8,
which
allows
one
two
four
six
or
eight
dwelling
units
per
acre.
What
is
being
asked
for
by
the
applicant
is
boise
city
zoning
code
for
multi-family
residential
units
under
the
r3
designation,
which
would
make
this
equivalent
to
ada
county
r
43.5,
which
doesn't
actually
exist,
but
I
pointed
out
for
comparison.
O
I
want
to
show
you
briefly
why
the
zone
to
the
north
is
industrial,
so
you
have
a
big
picture,
comprehensive
understanding
of
our
area
and
then
go
straight
into
the
traffic
studies.
Next,
I've
placed
a
red
x
on
the
approximate
location
of
the
land
parcel,
and
you
will
see
that
across
the
street
lies
the
airport
influence
area.
B1
airports
must
maintain
adequate,
compatible
land
use
to
ensure
successful
operations.
O
You
will
see
that
the
trajectory
of
aircraft
follows
the
main
airport
runways,
depending
which
direction
the
aircrafts
take
off
and
land.
Please
take
note
that
the
third
runway
called
927,
which
correlates
with
the
compass
headings
90
and
270,
is
further
to
the
south.
The
part
150
noise
study
was
done
in
2015
and
provides
a
five-year
look
forward.
So
I
fully
expect
that
when
the
next
part
150
noise
study
is
done
to
accommodate
the
use
of
the
third
runway
for
amazon
cargo
planes
in
the
military
that
these
noise
contours
will
expand
to
the
south.
O
Next,
just
one
more
look
at
the
red
x
and
making
note
that
airport
influence
area
b
does
not
allow
residential
land
use.
You
will
see
here
that
the
third
runway
was
previously
referred
to
as
the
assault
strip
for
military
operations,
but
is
now
being
developed
to
accommodate
the
new
amazon
warehouse
because
of
the
airport
noise
influence
the
land
use
across
victory.
Road
is
zoned
as
light
industrial.
O
Next
now,
let's
move
on
to
the
traffic
study,
I'm
going
to
start
with
an
explanation
of
los,
which
means
level
of
service
los
as
it
pertains
to
traffic,
is
defined
by
a
quantitative
stratification
of
performance
measures
representing
quality
of
service
or
how
will
a
transportation
facility
operates
from
a
traveler's
perspective?
The
grading
system
is
very
similar
to
grades
on
a
report
card,
but
contains
six
categories:
a
b
c
d,
e
and
f
l
o
s.
O
O
I
was
excited
to
see
that
a
traffic
study
was
done
by
achd
in
the
in
your
review
packet
and
they've
reviewed.
The
traffic
study
showing
clearly
indicated
problems
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
your
packet,
so
I
pull
out
some
of
the
important
details
for
you.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
victory
road
under
current
existing
peak
hour
conditions
is
los
f
when
adding
in
the
project
with
an
additional
166
vehicle
trips
per
hour
during
peak
conditions.
O
It
is
even
worse,
l
o
s
f,
but
we
don't
show
less
than
f
so
it
was
failing
before
and
it
continues
to
be
less
than
acceptable.
Achd
did
indicate
plans
to
expand
victory
road
to
five
lanes
here
in
2025,
but
I
will
point
out
that
in
the
footnotes
of
the
table
that
the
five-lane
arterial
still
exceeds
the
acceptable
limits
and
it
would
still
be
los
f
next,
look
at
trebuk,
oh
go
back.
If
you
can.
Next,
we
look
at
trioco
avenue,
which
is
the
signalized
intersection
along
the
western
side
of
the
property.
O
This
roadway
is
the
main
entrance
and
exits
serving
the
existing
subdivision
and
also
west
junior
high
frank
church
high
dennis
tech
center
in
the
admin
building.
The
reason
for
this
I
will
show
you
in
a
moment
is
that
the
roadway
along
the
eastern
side
of
the
property
is
partially
blocked
to
control
the
flow
of
traffic
for
safety
reasons,
so
they
analyzed
the
main
collector
roadway
to
ruiko
avenue.
O
Existing
conditions
show
peak
hour.
Conditions
are
currently
acceptable
at
los
d,
however,
for
existing
plus
the
project,
it
becomes
los
e,
which
is
no
longer
acceptable
based
on
those
ach
footnotes,
if
I
add
existing
peak
hour
385
vehicles
and
projected
project
at
166
vehicles,
the
total
becomes
551
vehicles
per
hour,
which
is
still
exceeding
los
e,
even
if
they
expand
trabuco
avenue
to
three
lanes,
because,
as
you
see
in
the
footnotes,
that
would
still
exceed
the
acceptable
volume
of
530
vehicles
per
hour.
O
O
It
is
not
accessible
from
the
west
due
to
the
subdivision,
not
accessible
from
the
east,
to
the
school
district,
build
buildings
and
five
mile
creek
not
accessible
from
the
south
due
to
the
location
of
west
junior
high
and
further
south
from
guardio
park.
Next,
here
I'm
showing
the
collector
roads,
which
are
the
entrance
and
exit
to
subject
property
to
the
west.
You
will
see
the
signalized
inter
section
at
victory
in
trabuco
to
the
east.
You
will
see
the
right.
O
The
reason
for
this
concrete
barrier
is
that,
due
to
the
traffic
volume
on
victory,
achd
determined
that
it's
no
longer
safe
to
make
left
turns
from
the
property
and
to
not
disrupt
the
smooth
flow
of
traffic
from
the
east
to
remove
left
turns
into
the
property.
Next,
I'm
just
showing
you
traffic
conditions
in
the
morning.
The
one
on
the
right
is
showing
you
tribucal
avenue
with
the
traffic
going
all
the
way
down
to
the
light.
My
daughter
actually
took
these
because
I
drive
her
into
west
junior
high
next.
O
I
want
to
look
now
at
the
intensity
of
this
development.
This
is
a
5
15,
acre
parcel
planned
for
301
residential
dwelling
units
and
a
parking
count
of
500
stalls
which
may
have
been
shown
in
other
documents
is
521,
I'm
not
sure,
based
on
current
census,
demographics
of
2.68
residents
per
unit.
The
prop
regulation
is
expected
to
be
808
807
people.
O
Next
now
I
want
to
focus
on
ifc
section
106,
and
we
want
to
skip
to
d
106.2,
which
applies
which
says
that
projects
having
more
than
200
dwelling
units
shall
be
provided
with
two
separate
and
approved
fire
apparatus
access
roads,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
equipped
with
an
approved
automatic
sprinkler
system.
Next,.
O
The
nearest
fire
station
is
station
17
located
at
margerio
park
along
coal.
Road
fire
trucks
would
travel
north
on
coal
to
the
intersection
at
victory
and
turn
onto
victory
road,
but
not
have
access
on
milwaukee
lane
because
of
the
concrete
triangle
barrier
they
would
be
prevented
from
accessing
this
site.
They
would.
The
only
entrance
that
is
accessible
is
along
tribucco
avenue.
Next.
O
Achd
must
accommodate
growth
and
development,
however,
they
must
also
weigh
and
consider
the
flow
of
traffic
on
main
arterial
roads.
Based
on
my
20
years
living
in
southwest
boise.
I
can
say
that
it's
pretty
clear
that
victory
road
is
a
very
popular
choice
for
commuter
traffic,
for
the
entire
southwest
boise
region,
traveling
east
to
west,
connecting
nampa,
meridian
and
boise.
O
Next,
I
found
the
communities
in
motion
page
located
in
your
application
packet.
I
found
it
odd
but
interesting.
They
are
calling
the
victory
flats,
52
households,
and
they
say
that,
based
on
the
cim
forecast,
it
reduces
performance
and
it
won't
assist
pedestrian
levels
of
stress
or
bicycle
levels
of
stress.
O
So
next
we're
just
looking
at
the
comprehensive
plan
I
want
to
say,
although
the
property
was
recently
annexed
and
changed
in
the
comprehensive
plan
to
be
a
mixed-use
land
designation,
the
r3
zone
is
not
the
best
fit
for
this
area.
In
fact,
there
are
21
other
zones
that
it
could
be
zone
2.
as
it
conflicts
with
several
key
principles
in
blueprint.
Boise
contributing
traffic
will
worsen
air
pollution.
It
will
negatively
impact
the
existing
neighborhoods
and
and
it
diminishes
safety.
A
less
dense
development
zone
with
less
impact
on
traffic
in
this
area
should
be
considered.
O
C
O
Next
30
seconds
to
the
last
slide,
please
scna
requests
the
denial
of
cir,
2138
and
pud
2162
on
the
existing
level
service
of
traffic
conditions
and
the
potential
for
even
worse
than
worst
case
traffic
impacts
based
on
traffic
impacts.
It
so
simply
doesn't
make
sense
here,
but
based
on
fire
code,
I
don't
believe
it's
possible
to
place
this
development
in
a
location
with
a
partially
blocked
access
road.
O
O
Q
Think
this
is
a
question
for
the
south
pole
association.
If
margaritio
park
goes
in,
wouldn't
you
expect
that
there
will
be
an
increase
in
properties
with
higher
density
in
this
area
that
tends
to
follow
parks
and
other
types
of
recreation
that
go
into
these
locations.
So
wouldn't
it
be
appropriate
to
increase
the
density
so
that
more
people
can
enjoy
the
park
once
it
goes
in.
Hopefully,
if
it
goes
in,
I.
O
I
think
the
concern
at
this
point
is
the
traffic
located
along
victory
road
and
certainly
there
will
be
other
road
infrastructure,
possibly
coming
in
from
the
south
at
some
point
in
time,
but
since
there
is
no
plan
to
to
place
the
park
at
this
point
in
time,
I
I
don't
even
think
it's
on
the
10-year
or
20-year
look,
so
I
don't
think
I'm
considering
it
at
this
point.
S
Mr
chairman,
commissioner,
moore
fire
did
provide
comment
on
this
application,
so
they
will
have
to
adhere
to
the
comment
letter
and
fire.
The
development
agreement
is
allowing
flexibility,
for
you,
know,
site
plan
and
design
review
issues,
but
we're
really
tying
the
concept
to
the
da
as
well
as
restrictions
such
as
vehicular
access
not
to
be
directly
off
of
victory
as
well
as
I'm
capping
the
density.
So
we
don't
see
it
shoot
up
to
that
43
and
a
half
units
per
acre.
U
Little
bit
of
follow-up-
and
this
is
probably
for
the
applicant
but
six
feet
and
a
site
like
this-
is
relatively
significant.
Are
there
any
features
and
a
green
space
and
common
area
or
things
that
are
important?
That
would
might
go
away
with
the
addition
of
this
widened
access,
road.
X
Commissioners,
commissioner,
moore
no,
the
the
the
applicant
did
look
at
that
when
they
got
the
comments
from
the
fire
district,
they
are
not
worried
about
accommodating
that
they
will
work
with
fire
to
provide
the
needed
fire
width
in
the
dry
vials.
B
U
One
additional
so
on
that
turn
lane
on
tribuco
I
saw
there
was
an
aerial
that
kind
of
showed
three
lanes,
but
achd
talks
about
it
being
two
lanes.
Is
it
just
an
extension
of
one
of
those
that
we're
talking
about,
or
is
it
an
additional
lane
altogether?
U
U
Bit
of
follow-up,
so
it
looks
like
there
might
be
some
patios
out
there,
but
the
townhouses
themselves,
don't
look
like
they're
setbacks,
so
you
don't
anticipate
losing
any
amenities
or
any
landscaping
in
order
to
achieve
that
as
well.
X
H
Mr
thank
you.
I
got
a
question
for
the
applicant
and
the
staff
for
the
applicant.
You
mentioned
the
sound
attenuation
for
the
units
in
victory
flats.
Could
you
elaborate
on
that.
X
Commissioner,
mooney,
yes
and
and
I'll
ask
alex
if
he
wants
to
add
on
to
this,
but
that
will
be
attained
through
higher
insulation
of
higher
insulation
in
the
walls
and
building
materials,
and
so
it
is
a
theme,
particularly
in
their
the
bedrooms,
to
make
sure
that
they
have
that
that
sound
attenuation-
and
you
know
relevant
to
this
of
course-
came
up
with
the
neighborhood
association's
comments
about
the
airport
influence
a
so
additional
sound
attenuation
will
be
appropriate
here.
X
They'll
certainly
meet
all
of
the
city's
requirements
for
that
and
their
their
existing
construction
design
and
wellness
theme
will
fit
right.
In
with
that.
C
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
mooney.
H
H
I
looked
that
up
in
the
master
plan
for
the
airport
and
I'm
not
concerned
about
that
south
assault
strip
being
a
problem
for
victory
flats
in
the
future,
but
I
was
surprised
that
neither
staff
nor
the
applicant
addressed
the
fact
that
this
property
is
in
the
airport
influenced
area.
A
and
25
db
is
required
across
all
the
buildings
in
the
in
the
in
the
development
and
that
wasn't
indicated
anywhere
in
our
staff
report.
So
I'm
glad
that
neighborhood
association
brought
that
up.
Thank
you.
E
Mr
chairman,
mr
daily,
I've
got
a
few
questions.
If
I
may,
this
can
be
either
way
applicant
or
staff.
In
most
of
the
conceptual
plans.
E
The
main
building
that
fronts
victory
is
the
rather
large
one
that
sort
of
ls
js.
Whatever
letter
you
want
to
say,
sort
of
down
toward
milwaukee,
I
think
it
is,
and-
and
it
comes
around
in
other
parts
of
our
staff
report-
that
front
building
is
broken
into
two
first,
particularly
in
the
kimberley
kimberley
horn,
the
tis,
the
achd
stuff.
So
I'm,
assuming
that
this
is
the
actual
accurate
depiction
is
that
correct?
First
of
all,.
E
X
Commissioners,
again
I'll
provide
an
explanation
and
alex
can
add
to
it.
If
he
wants
to
the
the
site
has
evolved
a
few
times
initially
in
response
to
neighbor
comments
that
they
didn't,
like
those
larger
buildings
being
closer
to
the
western
edge,
and
so
they
they
were.
B
X
Over
and
staff's
comments
as
well
to
orient
the
larger
apartment
buildings
along
victory
and
really
to
the
north
and
the
east,
to
pull
it
away
from
the
homes
on
the
west,
and
then
the
detailed
configuration
also
has
been
an
evolution,
as
they've
tried
to
figure
out
the
most
efficient
use
of
the
site,
still
trying
to
get
that
residential
grid.
You
know
walkability
pattern
interior
to
the
site,
but
have
and
and
have
the
appropriate
perimeters
with
the
two-story
buildings
everywhere
else,
except
those
apartment
buildings
that
then
are
concentrated
on
that
north
and
east.
E
X
X
E
X
F
X
Pedestrian
friendly
community
that
has
a
lot
of
bike
riders.
E
In
it
and
you're
being
required
to
put
in
301
bike
staple
racks
for
bike
bicyclists
right
right,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
letter
from
the
school
district
that
says
32
additional
students
will
be
generated
from
maple
grove
elementary,
which
is
on
the
other
side
and
down
the
street.
How
many
of
them
might
be
walking?
E
I
know
the
answer
to
these
questions
is
more
for
the
conversation
in
that
it
gets
to
1981
vehicle
trips
are
going
to
be
generated
near
2025
according
to
our
tis.
This
isn't
a
you
thing.
This
is
a
general
thing
we
have
as
the
neighborhood
approach,
the
neighborhood
association
pointed
out
the
level
of
service,
bicyclists
and
pedestrian
that
also
wasn't
captured
in
the
tis.
E
I
recognize
that
this
isn't
all
on
the
developments,
the
developer
and
the
applicant's
shoulders.
It's
more
of
just
a
frustration,
because
there's
a
lot
of
great
things
right,
a
lot
of
things
that
you're
being
required,
but
we
have
no
answers
on
some
of
these
things
with
regard
to
the
generation
thereof,
that's
where
I'm
sort
of
generally
going.
E
X
I
think
that's
really
thought
about
in
your
comprehensive
plan
and
in
those
sections
that
talk
about
oriented,
high
density,
residential
on
transit
corridors
and
yes,
it
doesn't
quantify
a
number,
but
it
it
encourages
people
to
live
on
transit
and
you
lose
an
opportunity
if
you
don't
take
sites
that
are
available
few
and
far
between
on
a
great
transit
route
like
this,
where
you
have
an
adjacent
stop
to
capture
those
folks
to
and
give
them
an
alternative,
and-
and
really
I
mean
again,
the
comp
plans
calls
for
high
density
residential
in
those
locations.
X
So
if
you
really
the
city
as
a
whole
has
thoughtfully,
you
know
considered
that
I
mean
there
are
some
other
comments
I
could
make
in
response
to
the
traffic
concerns
in
that
traffic
count.
If
you
want
to
go
there,
but
I
just.
I
really
think
that
transit
commentary
is
a
good
one
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
use
it.
Well,
you
know
you've,
you
guys
have
hoped
for
a
lot
by
encouraging
high
density
residential
on
those
corridors.
I
mean
you're
also
right
next
to
schools,
you're
near
employment.
X
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
great
opportunities
for
using
this
particular
property
for
that
it's
also
a
lot
less
dense
than
your
comprehensive
plan
would
accommodate
and
has
considered
for
this
location
it's
fewer
trips
than
you'd
get
from
commercial.
It's
it's.
You
know
certainly
fewer
trips
than
you
get
for
the
43.5
units
per
acre
that
we're
not
proposing.
E
I
agree
and-
and
it
gets
back
to,
for
example,
one
of
the
biggest
generators
of
vehicular
trips
is
schools
in
a.m.
Peak
in
particular
right
the
very
things
that
are
being
required
of
the
street
improvement,
the
left-hand
turns
and
we
have
a
generation.
We
have
a
suggestion
of
number
of
of
students,
for
example.
I
I
almost
wonder
if
that's
even
considered
within
the
tis
right
in
terms
of
could
those
be
transferred
to
walkable
trips
rather
than
drivable
trips.
E
C
Okay,
commissioner
mooney
has
his
hand
up
again.
H
Mr
chair,
thank
you
so
I
here
here
on
the
transit
and
bike
ped
discussion,
so
I'd
like
to
take
commissioner
dan
lee's
comments
and
turn
them
into
a
question
for
the
applicant.
But
some
preface
on
that
victory
is
gonna
in
the
integrated
five-year
work.
Plan
for
acht
will
become
a
level
three
bicycle
facility,
which
means
it
will
be
a
protected
facility
east-west
up
on
victory
there.
I
was
disappointed
with
achd
in
that
when
they
asked
to
widen
trabuco
for
access
to
victory
flats.
H
There
is
no
discussion
about
a
protected
bike
facility
in
that
lane
coming
down
from
victory
to
the
entrance,
and
I
was
also
kind
of
frustrated
with
the
fact
that
boise
school
district
didn't
talk
about
safe
routes
to
school,
there's
a
elementary
school
as
we
talked
about
six
tenths
of
a
mile
to
the
northwest
and
of
the
60s
46
kids
that
are
going
to
go
to
that
elementary
and
junior
high
nearby
they're,
how
they're
going
to
get
out
of
victory
flats
safely
on
a
bike
to
those
two
schools.
X
Chairman,
commissioner
mooney,
you
know
I'll
I'll
visit
with
the
applicant
and
we
can
see
if
there's
a
further
response
to
this.
I
I
don't
know
that
there's
room
within
that
widening
to
add
a
protected
bike
lane.
It
is
already
going
to,
as
commissioner
moore
pointed
out,
require
an
additional
six
feet
there.
So
I
suspect,
there's
not
room
for
a
bike
facility
there.
X
We
do
have
the
detached
sidewalks
within
the
entire
perimeter
of
our
property,
though,
as
far
as
the
widening
of
the
three
lanes
to
the
south,
I
I
believe
boise
school
district
has
future
plans
for
development
of
the
the
vacant
parcel.
That's
that's
to
our
south.
That
could
involve
that.
So
there
may
be
future
widening
with
future
development.
There
we'd
certainly
would
be
happy
to
be
part
of
a
conversation
about
that
make
sure
our
site
plan
accommodates
that,
so
that
that
widening
can
continue.
H
Just
follow
up
on
that,
I
was
confused
about
pro-tax,
slash
milwaukee
and
the
vrt
stop
and
the
fact
that
achds
comments
about
it
being
a
private
drive.
Can
the
staff
explain
that
why
why
we're
talking
about
a
private
drive
on
the
east
side
of
this
of
victory
flats.
S
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
mooney
that
particular
road
has
its
existing
and
it
came
in
as
a
private
road.
I
don't
know
that
achd
plans
to
you
know
adopt
it
as
a
public
road
at
this
point
in
time,
it's
just
victory
and
trabuco
that
achd
would
really
have
their
jurisdiction
on.
H
So
then,
the
victory
flat
circulation
plan
for
these
301
units
can't
really
consider
milwaukee
at
all.
And
how
can
vrt
be
using
that
as
a
route?
If
it's
a
private
road.
S
Mr
chairman,
commissioner
mooney,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
direct
answer
for
that
other
than
these
are
kind
of
existing
conditions
that
we're
working
within
and
that
the
applicant
was
able
to
obtain
access
to
the
milwaukee
lane
for
this
project.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner,
mooney
on
that
sort
of
that
line
of
questioning
too
delaney
not
to
step
into
it
any
deeper,
but
the
applicant's
thought
or
request
to
leave
the
sidewalk
attached
on
milwaukee
does
staff?
Have
any
opinion
I
mean.
I
know
the
staff's
opinion
would
be
a
detached
sidewalk,
any
thoughts
on
leaving
it
as
an
attached
facility.
S
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
commission,
as
you
know,
the
project
came
in
for
review.
We
did
require
as
a
conditional
approval
to
provide
detached
sidewalks
throughout
on
all
frontages
understanding
that
there's
existing
conditions
we
do
realize
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
you
know,
take
out
a
resource,
that's
you
know
functioning
and
working,
but
we
would
leave
it
up
to
the
discretion
of
your
commission
to
decide
on
that
improvement.
C
I
guess
one
more
just
to
close
up
men,
commissioner
daily
kind
of
brought
this
forward
too.
Is
it
clear
in
our
I'm
not
sure
if
it
is
clear
in
our
packet?
The
conceptual
plan
that
we
are
all
looking
at
is
the
selected
plan.
That's
going
to
be
tied
with
the
d.a,
because
there
are
various
plans
in
the
packet,
as
commissioner
danley
mentioned.
S
Mr
chairman,
members
of
the
commission,
I
think
staff
and
feel
confident
in
the
conceptual
plan
that
that
is,
you
know,
agreed
upon.
That
being
said,
our
da
does
have
language
to
allow
flexibility
in
modifications.
S
C
Great
okay,
sorry,
commissioner,
moody.
H
Sorry
I
wanted
to
thank
you,
mr
chair,
this
general
design
principles
for
the
airport
influence
area.
So
the
question
for
the
applicant
are
you,
okay,
with
complying
with
the
comp
plan
regarding
sound
proofing
and
use
restrictions
for
airport
influence
area,
a.
B
X
C
C
Okay,
I
see
no
hands
up.
Oh
I
miss
him.
Nope,
okay,
well
looks
like
no
testimony
on
this
item
so
miss
nelson.
Mr
drexel.
I
know
you
just
sat
back
down,
but
you
do
get
a
few
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
Do
you
just
want
to
give
us
a
couple
of
final
thoughts
here?
There's
really
nothing!
No!
Testimony
to
rebut,
of
course,.
X
Chairman
members
of
the
commission,
I
was
just
looking
to
see
if
there
was
anything
that
was
raised
by
the
south
coal
neighborhood
association
and
their
comments
that
we
haven't
already
covered
through
the
commissioner's
questions.
I
I
believe
I
believe
we
have
covered
everything.
Is
there
anything
else
you
want
to
address
yeah.
W
W
That
the
entire
the
entire
premise
of
this
community
is
based
around
the
walkability
and
the
bike
ability
of
the
project
and
what
we
can
control
within
the
confines
of
our
project
and
the
close
proximity
to
it.
We'll
make
sure
that
we
adhere
to
the
best
of
our
abilities
to
address
all
those
comments.
X
Chairman
with
your
indulgence,
I
reading
my
notes,
one
step
further,
one
additional
comment
that
we
didn't
get
to
with
the
traffic
that
I
just
want
to
point
the
fact
out
that,
in
addition
to
the
future,
widening
of
victory,
that's
planned.
Achd
also
does
show
on
their
master
street
map
connectivity
from
south
of
the
site,
through
extension
to
the
south
from
milwaukee
and
then
heading
to
the
where
the
north
of
the
park
area
is
planned
and
then
extending
east
and
west
to
distribute
traffic
out
to
the
arterials
from
the
that
direction.
L
Is
yes
yeah,
I'm
I'm
the
architect
for
the
project
and
just
wanted
to
just
speak
to
the
the
fire
code
concern
the
currently
milwaukee
lane.
L
Is
your
only
fire
access
point
for
both
your
high
school
and
your
junior
high
school
so
to
consider
that
a
not
illegal
fire
access
to
me
isn't
correct,
there's
nothing
in
the
fire
code
that
requires
that
the
access
is
has
to
come
in
from
both
directions
equally,
as
long
as
the
trucks
can
make
access
and
hit
the
proper
radii
and
within
the
development
itself,
all
of
the
internal
circulation
and
is
designed
around
fire
apparatus
having
to
go
through
or
being
able
to
go
easily
navigate
through
the
development.
L
And
finally,
I
think
that
the
reality
is
too
that
we're
a
long
ways
from
getting
into
the
details
on
this,
but
we
we
still
have
to
go
through
design,
review
committee
and
part
of
that
is
an
exhaustive
review
with
the
fire
marshal
which
we
do
on
every
project,
and
so
ultimately,
the
fire
marshal
has
the
the
last
word
on
that
and
life.
Safety
is
our
prime
concern
when
we
design
any
project.
L
So
we
follow
the
directions
of
the
fire
marshal
to
the
ladder,
so
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
of
that.
C
L
Yeah,
it's
52
exchange
place,
salt
lake
city,
utah,
eight
four
84111.
C
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
we've
got
all
of
our
comments
in
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
bring
this
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision
just
a
reminder
for
all
of
us
we're
looking.
We
need
a
recommendation
to
city
council
on
the
rezone,
that's
cr
21-38
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
a
decision
to
make
on
pud
21-62
as
well.
E
I'm
going
to
do
this
first,
with
the
reason,
if
I
can
so
I
make
a
motion
that
item
number
eight
specifically
application
car
21-38,
a
rezone
application,
be
recommended
for
approval
with
the
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
F
C
Okay,
we've
got
a
recommendation
to
approve
car
21-38.
Any
discussion.
E
Sure,
mr
chair,
to
me
this
is
pretty
straightforward.
It's
it's
land
use,
overlays
is
mixed.
Use.
R3
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
already
approved
land
use
codes
within
that
make
that
mixed
use
designation.
So
we're
pretty
clear
there
to
me.
This
is
clearly
clearly
an
infill
site
and
it's
you're
a
mile
away
from
the
interstate.
U
B
F
N
C
And
squires
mentioned
you
know
when
you
look
at
this
and
you
look
at
the
you
know
the
density
that
r3
brings
here.
You
know
now.
I
know
we're
getting
into
pod
territory
here
with
these
comments,
but
we're
quite
a
bit
lower
than
what's
allowed
in
r3
with
what
they're
proposing
on
the
site.
In
fact,
the
density
is
closer
to
r2
than
it
is
r3.
C
C
Commissioner
mooney,
I
saw
you
maybe
muted
there
did.
You
have
some
comments
too.
H
C
Sounds
good?
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
of
car
21-38.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
U
C
We've
got
a
second
from
commissioner
moore,
commissioner
danny
you
want
to
start
us
out
on
some
discussion.
E
Sure,
okay,
so
with
respect
to
the
actual
application
itself
in
in
terms
of
the
number
of
units
r3,
as
we
know,
is
permitted
to
go
up
to
43
units.
This
is
only
going
to
20.,
so
in
theory
this
could
be
over
twice
twice
more
dense
than
what's
actually
being
proposed,
but
I
do
think
that
this
is
a
good
medium.
E
There's
a
lot
with
respect
to
this
one
and
and
the
traffic
piece
of
it
right
and-
and
we
know
that,
there's
obviously
with
hchd.
I
was
hoping
that
we
would
get
a
briefing
on
the
kmst
court
case
that
allows
this
commission
to
make
decisions
on
transportation
more
than
I
think
we
recognize.
E
This
illustrates
it
to
a
t.
That's
where
I
was
going
with
the
the
questions.
Forgive
me
for
a
moment,
but
we
are
a
city
that
is
trying
to
become
more
walkable.
We
are
a
city
required
to
be.
You
know
more
bikeable,
you
know
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
all
transit.
All
of
these
things.
This
traffic
impact
statement
says
none
of
that.
Absolutely
none
of
it.
There's
three
bullets
on
the
bottom
of
one-fifth
of
one
page
that
actually
gets
to
this.
Why
is
this
important?
E
Let
me
give
you
an
example:
the
intersection
of
trabuco
and
victory
is
signalized
right.
We
have
no
conditions,
we
have
no
existing
condition
data
that
tells
us
how
that's
functioning
for
people
who
are
walking
right,
nothing.
How
long
do
they
have
to
get
across
that
street?
That
left-hand
turn
from
victory
south
is
a
flashing
yellow
arrow
that
is
specifically
something
in
the
transportation
industry
that
has
risen
in
the
last
five
to
ten
years.
That
has
a
marked
increase
in
fatality
rate.
E
We
saw
it
in
this
city
on
milwaukee
up
near
the
mall,
when
an
elderly
couple
was
struck
only
a
few
years
ago,
so
achd
was
supposed
to
change
the
traffic
cabinet,
so
all
of
those
push
buttons
would
preempt
that
flashing,
yellow
arrow.
We
specifically
have
a
school
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
We
have
bus,
stops
down
the
road
right
all
of
these
things,
and
that's
where
I'm
going.
We
have
no
information
at
all
on
how
many
people
are
walking.
E
What's
that
experience
like
what
compass
even
said
it
with
their
pedestrian
and
bicyclist
level
of
service,
we
are
missing
a
lot
of
things
that,
as
a
city,
if
we
are
truly
trying
to
go
in
this
direction,
in
my
mind,
we
need
to
be.
We
need
to
be
provided
with
that.
We
need
to
be,
for
you
know,
thinking
about
this,
getting
the
developer
as
a
part
of
a
requirement
to
to
provide
it.
It's
so
tuned
as
achd
right.
I
totally
understand
you
know
that
relationship.
E
I
think,
overall,
the
application
is
a
solid
one.
I
really
do.
I
think
it's
a
really
solid
application.
I
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
it.
I
think
it
provides
a
tremendous
amount
of
housing.
I
think
that
this
the
layout
is
is
adequate.
I
know
that
there
are
some
details
that
I
I
believe
that,
through
design
review,
we
will
get
through
the
finish
line
and
get
to
an
even
better
project,
so
I
have
no
issue
moving
it
forward
to
get
to
that
point,
I
think
that
the
applicant
made
their
own
point.
J
Just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
to
the
neighborhood.
Your
notes
on
traffic
are
compelling,
and
I
you
know
there's
unfortunately
little.
We
say
this
often,
but
there's
little,
that
control
that
we
have
over
the
street
dynamic,
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
those
notes
to
achd
and
appear
at
their
meetings,
and
you
know
pass
that
information
on
to
them.
You
can.
J
C
U
So
obviously,
I'm
inspiring
the
motion
and
I
think
generally
this
is
a
really
unique
kind
of
development
with
the
wide
variety
of
housing
that's
provided
I
mean
it's
something
that
we
definitely
don't
see
and
it's
exciting,
I
think,
with
regards
to
traffic,
I'm
really
glad
to
see
the
revised
report
from
achd.
They
went
out
and
kind
of
took
a
look
at
what
was
going
on
and
added
that
additional
condition.
U
C
Thank
you,
commissioner,
moore
commissioner
mooney.
H
Mr
chair,
I
I
obviously
not
obviously,
but
I
also
like
the
project
and
am
supportive
of
the
motion
with
a
couple
questions.
As
the
new
guy
again,
the
the
applicant
seemed
agreeable
to
the
general
design
principles
for
the
airport
influence
area.
Is
it
appropriate
to
add
that
as
a
condition
of
approval
here
for
the
pud?
That's
my
first
question
for
you,
mr
chair,
and
then
the
next
one
would
be,
or
for
commissioner
danley
since
it's
his
motion.
H
The
next
one
is:
is
it
out
of
bounds
for
us
to
to
make
a
condition
of
approval
on
tripluca
to
install
level
three
ach
level
three
bike
facility
on
tribuca,
in
accordance
with
connecting
up
to
the
victory
level,
three
facility.
C
Yeah,
commissioner
mooney,
I
think
sorry
the
first
issue,
oh,
was
amending
amending
regarding
the
airport
and
I
believe
maybe
delaney.
If
you
can
help
us
out
just
to
confirm
the
airport
did
not
provide
us
any
information
in
our
packet.
Correct.
S
Mr
chairman
butchers,
that
is
correct.
I
will
make
note
that
in
the
staff
report
there
is
mention
of
the
airport
influence
zone.
I
believe
under
section
header
number
two,
as
well
as
a
reference
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
one
of
our
things,
we're
looking
for
is
compatibility
with
the
plan
and
we
did
call
out
the
airport
influence
zone
as
this
project
meeting.
S
C
C
I
I
personally,
you
know
hate
to
put
conditions
on
an
apple
on
an
applicant
that
we
don't
really
have
control
over
right.
I
think
we
just
have
to
trust.
You
know
their
ongoing
relationship
with
achd
and
any
comments.
They
may
any
additional
comments
they
may
receive
from
adhd
as
they
work
through
the
design
review
process.
C
But
you
know
this
is
not
a
one-man
show.
So
if
there's
other
thoughts
from
my
fellow
commissioners,
I'm
I'm
all.
H
Ears
right
yeah,
mr
chair,
so
yeah,
I
agree.
It's
it's
sticky
and
it's
tough
to
do
that.
I
guess
the
unfortunate
part
of
it
is
that
it'll
eventually
become
an
issue.
Safe
routes
to
school
is
going
to
step
in
and
they're
going
to
say
how.
How
do
we
safely
get
these
kids
up
trabuca
across
victory
over
to
maple
grove
elementary
and
there's
going
to
be
a
bill
to
the
public
to
reconfigure,
trabuco
or
milwaukee
sometime
in
the
future,
to
accommodate
bikes
and
peds
safely?
H
C
E
Quick
point
of
order
question
I'm
trying
to
find
it.
I
can
find
it,
but
maybe
staff
can
tell
me
the
buffer
space
between
the
detached
sidewalk
and
the
curbing
on
trebuco.
Is
it
six
or
eight
feet.
E
Speed
buffer
there's
your
solution,
so
what
we
could
do-
and
this
could
be
a
conversation
we
have
before
making
an
amendment
to
the
motion
is
we
could
make
a
condition
that
that
be
a
side
path,
a
multi-use
side
path
rather
than
a
detached
sidewalk.
That
would
actually
be
an
effective
treatment
and
it's
done
in
many
many
communities
all
over
the
place.
E
That
probably
wouldn't
be
a
landscape,
but
it
could
be
some
sort
of
a
hardscape
or
something,
but
you
definitely
have
the
space
within
the
space
that
we
do
have
authority
over
to
to
make
that
a
more
functional
multi-use
facility
that
does
get
folks
up
and
down
not
only
from
this
development,
but
also
to
the
schools
to
the
signalized
intersection
and
victory.
So
you
know
something
to
consider
there.
C
I
guess
to
take
a
step
back,
I'm
in
support
of
the
motion
as
well.
I
I
think
you
guys
have
done
the
development
team
has
done
a
nice
job
with
this
layout
and
this
project.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
appreciate
while
we
are
you're
proposing
you
know
an
r3
zoning
you're
definitely
closer
to
an
r2.
As
far
as
the
density
is
concerned,
I
think
that
is
a
positive.
C
C
I
appreciate
staff's
review
and
their
comments.
The
conditions
within
the
staff
report
protecting
you,
know
the
five
foot
sidewalks
and
the
detached
planer
strips
throughout
the
development,
because
I
could
easily
see
some
of
that
landscape
go
away
as
you
widen
out
your
fire
lanes.
So
I
appreciate
staff,
doing
a
thorough
job
and
checking
all
the
boxes
from
an
overall
site
perspective
in
regards
to
the
sidewalk.
You
know
along
milwaukee,
you
know
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
a
motion
is
needed
per
se.
C
I
I
personally
think
that
that's
something
that
can
be
covered
when
you
get
through
design
review
and
have
that
discussion
with
the
design
review
board.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
necessarily
covered
at
this
level,
I'm
amenable
to
leaving
that
sidewalk
attached,
because
it
is
an
existing
facility.
C
So
I
guess
that's
where
I'm
at
on
that
side
in
regards
to
trebuco
yeah,
I've
seen
it
like,
commissioner
danley
suggested
you
know
going
to
a
wider
sidewalk
there.
I
think
in
that
case
I'm
I'm
actually
just
okay
leaving
it
as
it
is,
with
a
five
foot
with
a
planner
strip
and
detaching
that
sidewalk
and
again,
maybe
working
through
any
additional
feedback.
You
may
get
from
achd
during
the
design
review
process
and
then,
of
course,
working
through
the
rest
of
the
site.
Conditions
with
public
works,
fire
and
design
review
board.
C
H
Let
me
try
it
then,
so
I
I
moved
that
we
approve
beauty
2162
as
a
as
staff
as
conditioned
with
the
addition
of
a
achd
level,
3
bicycle
facility
on
trabuca
for
the
length
of
the
frontage
of
victory
flats.
C
P
P
Yes,
so,
commissioner,
mooney's
statements
could
be
taken
as
a
motion
to
amend
the
current
motion
on
the
table
or
the
chair
could
take
a
vote
on
the
open
question
prior
to
considering
mr.
J
I
guess
that
the
reason
I'm
hesitant
to
condition
that
is,
first
of
all,
I'm
I'm
personally
not
familiar
with
what
that
looks
like
we
haven't
done
that
here
before
and
not
to
say
it
might
be
the
right
idea,
but
because
I'm
not
familiar
with
it,
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
move
forward
with
the
additional
expense
loss
of
green
space
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
when
it's
just
not
it's
just
not
what
I
know,
and
especially
for
me
putting
the
words
conditioning
a
word.
J
The
achd
acronym
in
the
condition
makes
me
feel
uncomfortable
because
we
don't
have
any.
I
mean
that
that
would
be
like
you
know,
achd
conditioning
us
to
do
something
and
we
can
give
each
other
recommendations
but
difficult
to
to
require
an
agency
to
or
or
even
the
applicant
to
follow
another
agency's
guidelines
like
that.
So
for
me,
I
don't
support
the
amendment
to
the
motion
at
this
time.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
stead.
I
I'm
in
agreement
with
that.
I
think
the
other.
The
other
part
part
here,
commission
mooney-
that
I
think
is
of
importance
is
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
phased
project
as
well,
and
we
didn't
really
talk
about
that
at
all.
You
know
during
the
discussion
deliberation,
but
you
know
our
packet
indicates.
You
know
the
phasing
process
that
they're
going
to
take
to
construct
this
project.
So
it's
going
to
take.
You
know
several
several
years
to
get
this.
You
know
built
out
as
they
proposed
here.
C
J
Easy,
I
know
that
nchd
largely
takes
their
like
project
priority
list
from
our
city,
staff
and
council,
and
so
even
just
this
discussion
on
the
record
that
city
council
will
review.
Obviously
before
this
project
comes
to
them,
I
think
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
and
perhaps
that
will
help
us
get
to
the
process
of
the
city,
prioritizing
it
on
the
list
for
achd.
H
Yeah,
I
don't
disagree
with
anything
and
I
appreciate
the
perspective
of
commissioner
stead
and
yourself
regarding
that.
In
the
acht
nuances,
I
guess,
and
the
fact
that
it
will
be
reviewed
later
is
is
important,
but
it
does
boil
down
to
the
land
use
agency,
I.e
the
city
having
the
opportunity.
H
I've
had
I've
just
had
this
discussion
numerous
times
with
achd
commissioners
about
the
cities
have
to
take
the
lead
on
often
on
these
things,
and
if
we
don't
dedicate
the
land
use
to
a
cohesive
transportation
plan
that
includes
transit,
bikes
and
peds,
then
achd
is
going
to
keep
being
a
road
district
and
not
a
transportation,
active
transportation
organization,
and
so
the
city's
got
a
lead
on
this,
and
so
we
need
to
get
smarter
about
it.
That's
my
two
cents
worth.
C
I
appreciate
that
commission
moody,
I
think,
in
a
lot
of
ways
we're
all
sort
of
saying
the
same
same
things
and
I
think
to
miss
commissioner
stead's
point
that
this
discussion,
I
think,
is
a
is
a
good
record
for
council
and
design
review
board
to
consider
that
right.
Is
this
project
moves
forward.
C
C
U
Do
you
agree
with
the
amendment
just
a
little
bit
of
clarification?
Can
we
put
some
dimensions
to
that
side.
E
E
My
my
purpose
is
so
that
it
allows
the
develop
the
developer,
some
flexibility
to
make
it
an
an
even
better
facility
that
even
gets
potentially
to
like
commissioner
stead's.
You
know
and
my
shared
opinion
that
hopefully
some
degree
of
landscaping
could
go
in,
so
I
I
I
was
trying
to
avoid
that.
If
at
all,
if
you
need
it
I'll
give
you
one,
but.
P
C
Okay,
great
thanks
all
right,
so
we
have,
I
think,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
just
move
to
a
vote.
I
think
we've
had
enough
discussion
unless
anybody's
dying
to
share
some
more
thoughts.
Okay,
all
right.
We
got
a
motion
to
approve
pud
21-62
with
the
terms
and
conditions
as
written
in
the
staff
report
with
one
amendment
and
that
is
to
improve
a
side
path,
transportation,
site
path
along
the
western
side,
troop
trobico
avenue.