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Thank
you.
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
move
right
along
into
building
our
consent
agenda.
We
have
several
items
eligible
this
evening
for
the
consent
agenda.
First,
without
objection,
I'd
like
to
place
the
minutes
from
our
meeting
on
june
1st
and
the
meeting
on
june,
8th
on
the
consent
agenda.
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So
it's
not
a
public
hearing,
and
so
members
of
the
public
in
any
people
who
want
to
respond
to
this
matter
would
view
it
not
as
a
public
hearing,
and
yet
we
have
a
request
for
the
barber
valley,
neighborhood
association,
to
speak
on
the
record.
I'm
just
confused
is
this
the
proper
venue
for
them
to
speak
on
the
record
about
this
particular
application,
since
it's
not
a
public
hearing,
I'm
I'm
just
wondering
why
we're
doing
that,
and
I
guess
I
would
refer
that
either
to
the
chair
to
city
staff,
to
celine
or
to
james.
B
Well,
we
have
late
correspondents
that
came
in,
I
believe
on
friday
of
last
week,
and
I
will
refer
to
staff
for
a
little
bit
of
input
on
this
matter.
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Mr
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
it
is
not
a
public
hearing
item
in
the
sense
that
we
do
not
notice
subdivisions
so,
but
it
still
does
require
a
public
hearing
decision
by
the
commission,
certainly
at
your
discretion
to
take
in
testimony
it.
I
believe
barbara
valley
has
comments
just
on
the
overall
neighborhood,
and
certainly
when
subdivisions
go
to
city
council.
They
still
hear
it
like
a
public
hearing
item
as
well.
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I
appreciate
mr.
I
B
B
J
F
J
B
B
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D
K
L
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B
K
L
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B
N
N
N
Harris
ranch,
pacific
plan
designates
society's
mixed
use.
Commercial
and
medium-high
density
residential.
The
proposed
street
layout
matches
the
circulation
plan
for
the
area.
All
the
buildings
will
be
required
to
comply
with
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
sp01
zone
and
will
require
design
review
approval
prior
to
receiving
building
permits.
N
The
lot
layout
will
comply
with
these
block
prototypes,
which
show
several
configuration
possibilities,
including
attached
town
homes,
condominiums
apartments
or
apartments
near
the
sidewalk.
Creating
a
vibrant,
streetscape
perrault
way
is
currently
improved,
partially
improved
with
two
lanes.
Curb
gutter
and
no
sidewalk.
The
applicant
proposes
to
extend
perrault
way
to
wiseway
and
complete
the
road
as
30
as
a
39
foot
wide
street
section,
with
on-street
parking,
curb
gutter
planter
strip
and
detached
concrete
sidewalk
abutting.
N
N
N
N
Currently,
the
closest
north-south
pedestrian
connection
across
warm
springs
is
the
rabid,
flashing
beacon
at
the
entrance
to
marion
william
park
341
feet
to
the
south
of
the
site.
Comments
from
bbna
are
included
in
lake
correspondence,
and
they
are
here
tonight
in
summary,
bbna
supports
the
plot,
but
believes
wise
way
should
include
bike
lanes.
N
The
harris
ranch
specific
planet
is
an
approved
plan
that
provides
both
the
neighborhood
and
developer
assurances
of
what
is
planned
and
approved
to
be
built
in
the
area.
The
plan
was
recently
amended
in
2019
and
while
the
neighbors
concerns
are
valid,
they
aren't
specific
to
this
subdivision
application,
but
rather
the
entire
harris
ranch
area.
N
These
concerns
would
have
been
best
addressed
under
the
context
of
last
year's
specific
plan
amendment,
and
at
this
time
only
a
prelim
and
final
plot
is
before
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
In
order
to
create
the
proposed
lots
and
continue
to
extend
right-of-way
changes
can
still
occur
within
the
local
roadways
after
build
out
to
accommodate
pedestrians
and
bicycles.
N
B
O
Okay,
heath
clark,
251
east
front
street,
with
a
law
firm
clark,
bortle
representing
the
applicant
I'll
note
that
doug,
fowler
and
dave
powell
are
also
online,
and
so,
if
there
are
questions
that
either
of
them
are
better
at
answering
I'll
defer
to
them,
I
have
prepared
a
slide
deck,
but
I
think
in
the
interest
of
time
I,
what
I
would
like
to
just
emphasize
is
just
a
couple
of
things.
O
First
of
all
that,
as
nicolette
mentioned,
this
does
comply
with
sp01
and
complies
with
all
of
the
applicable
block
prototypes
and
it
because
it's
squarely
within
the
boundaries
of
sp01.
This
is
a
fairly
straightforward
matter.
B
G
Mr
john
mooney,
can
you
hear
me.
G
John
mooney
7153,
east
highland
valley,
road,
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
association,
as
heath
said
and
as
nicolette
also
said,
we're
in
full
agreement,
and
this
is
another
very
attractive
development
for
our
neighborhood
that
we're
excited
about
not
in
opposition
to
you,
but
we
do
want
to
kind
of
make
the
point
again.
G
That's
it's
related
to
your
item
number
one
tonight.
The
comp
plan
amendment,
which
we've
been
trading,
notes
with
kathleen
lacy
who's
handling.
That
which
is
specific
plans
are,
are
tough
for
neighbors.
G
They
provide
great
predictability
for
both
the
developer
and
new
neighbors,
but
one
of
the
challenges
is:
is
they're,
they're
very
complex
and,
for
example,
as
nicolette
noted
in
her
in
her
project
report
and
both
heath
and
mr
fowler
would
agree
on.
You
really
have
to
understand
the
plan
pretty
well
or
as
a
member
of
the
public
you're
really
going
to
get
behind.
We
missed
the
opportunity
to
to
voice
some
of
our
concerns
regarding
connectivity
and
active
transportation
and
warm
springs
avenue
and
in
this
case
bike
lanes
on
wiseway.
G
We
missed
that
opportunity
back
in
the
fall
of
in
2018.
Basically,
in
2019
when
this
civic
plan
was
up
for
amendment
and
lanier
and
the
developer
was
very
gracious
and
brought
us
into
that
discussion.
But
frankly,
we
didn't
know
enough
and
look
hard
enough
to
understand
the
complexity
of
the
plan
and
where
we
made
a
might
have
been
able
to
nudge
things
in
maybe
a
different
direction
that
the
neighborhood
would
be
a
little
bit
more
supportive
of
it's
a
great
plan.
G
It
could
have
been
just
a
notch
better
and
so
that's
kind
of
that's
water
under
the
bridge,
and
we
recognize
that
my
last
comment
would
be
so
we're
going
to
work
with
the
city
on
the
the
comp
plan
discussion
and
offer
our
our
perspective
on
spo3,
because
it
seems
to
be
very
rudimentary
right
now
not
nearly
to
the
standards
of
sp01,
especially,
and
we
really
think
the
neighbors
that
are
going
to
live
in
sp03
are
are
going
to
be.
G
Maybe
a
little
bit
frustrated
with
the
you
know,
plans
that
are
in
ordinance
that
are
really
tough
to
for
you
as
commissioners
to
take
any
action
on
because
they're
already
it's
already
zoned.
That
way
not
a
whole
lot
of
flexibility.
So
changes
to
make
things,
maybe
notch
him
a
little
bit
better
tough
to
do
last
point,
which
is
just
a
credibility
point
with
achd.
G
I
know
I'm
speaking
to
the
choir,
but
that
was
really
frustrating
for
us
to
notice
that
that
a
staff
report
that
was
read
by
the
commissioners
and
approved
by
the
ach
d
staff
had
a
glaring
mistake
regarding
transit
in
the
in
the
harris
ranch
area.
Thank
you.
F
Okay,
mr
chairman,
commissioner
gillespie
I
move,
we
approve
sbu
20-20
with
all
the
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
I
B
Okay,
very
good.
I
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
gillespie
in
a
second
from
commissioner
finfrock.
Any
discussion
from
the
commission.
B
Okay,
seeing
no
no
waving
at
him
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
vote.
Please.
D
B
L
B
B
Yeah
you're
a
little
a
little
quiet.
J
Yeah,
okay,
I'll
try
to
speak
a
little
bit
louder
here.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
commissioners.
This
item
is
in
regards
to
proposed
zoning
code
changes
for
accessible
parking
found
under
boise
city
code
chapter
1107,
03.5,
back
in
march
of
2019,
the
city's
accessible
parking
committee
initiated
the
discussion
to
modify
city
code
relative
to
design
requirements
for
accessible
parking
on
private
lots.
J
J
Aisle
second
would
be
to
place
both
signage
at
the
head
of
the
access
aisle
and
pavement
markings
within
the
access
aisle
to
indicate
that
it
is
in
fact
not
a
parking
stall
and
therefore
parking
is
prohibited,
and
the
third
item
is
to
correct
an
error
in
the
ratio
for
van
accessible
to
standard
accessible
parking
stalls
under
section
subsection
c3,
specifically
that
third
item
references
text
where
the
current
ratio
is
listed
as
one
to
eight
accessible
spaces.
J
J
These
three
modifications
will
promote
best
practices
for
the
design
of
van
accessible
parking
relative
to
that
access
aisle.
It
will
promote
compliance
with
the
no
parking
zones
at
accessible
parking
stalls
and
it
will
provide
for
the
correct
ratio
of
an
accessible
to
standard
accessible
stalls
with
an
on-site
parking
facilities
by
providing
the
appropriate
number
of
unaccessible
spaces
and
improving
the
design
criteria
for
those
stalls,
as
well
as
providing
clear,
signage
and
pavement
markings.
The
city
of
boise
will
promote
adequate
facilities
for
those
living
with
disabilities.
J
Specifically,
those
policies
reflected
in
a
connected
community
being
a
safe
and
healthy
and
caring
community
and
community
structure
and
design
with
that
planning
and
development
services
recommends
that
the
boise
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
submit
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
boise
city
council.
In
regard
to
the
modifications
to
chapter
110703.5
that
are
noted
within
the
staff
report
and
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
B
L
Yes,
I
have
just
one
question:
am
I
correct
in
assuming
that
all
current
parking
lots
are
grandfathered
in
under
the
old
rules,
subsequent
to
the
adoption
of
this.
B
P
There
we
go
good
evening,
commissioners,
for
the
record,
andrea
tuning,
comprehensive
planner
for
planning
and
development
services.
That
would
be
correct.
Any
existing
parking
lot
would
be
grandfathered
in
the
event
that
they
were
to
ever
change
the
use
or
redefine
the
parking
lot.
At
that
time
they
would
be
required
to
come
up
to
the
current
code,
which
would
require
the
accessible
parking
stall,
design
and
signage
and
pavement
marking.
At
that
time,.
E
Oh,
thank
you.
Can
someone
on
city
staff
speak
to
the
public
contribution
on
this
issue?
What
groups
we
worked
with,
or
is
this
just
a
technical
correction?
In
your
estimation,.
J
Mr
chair
and
commissioners,
so
the
the
recommendation
actually
originated
from
the
city's
citizen
park
accessible
parking
committee
made
up
of
seven
members
of
the
public
who
are
familiar
with
this
topic,
and
that
is
where
the
idea
was
generated.
There's
been
no
specific
public
outreach
for
this
item
or
the
proposed
changes
therein.
B
Okay,
thanks
everybody
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
this
up
to
the
public.
Then
we
have
a
couple
of
folks
that
signed
up
we'll
start
with
people
that
signed
up
here
and
then
we'll
move
to
other
folks
that
may
be
in
attendance
that
want
to
testify.
Q
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
briefly
comment
on
this
code
change.
I'm
a
member
of
the
city
of
boise,
ada
parking
committee
and
I'm
a
person
who
uses
a
wheelchair
and
uses
accessible
parking.
The
genesis
of
this
code
change
was
really
the
need
to
create
more
communication
with
the
public
that
access
aisles
are
not
places
to
park.
Q
You'd,
be
surprised
how
many
times
you
run
into
a
grocery
store
and
come
back
out
and
have
to
wait
five
ten
minutes,
maybe
an
hour
for
someone
who
has
parked
in
those
in
those
access,
aisles
and
kind
of
leaving
you
to
wait.
You
know
to
go
about
your
business,
which
can
be
frustrating
the
location
of
the
access
aisle
just
to
provide
a
little
more
clarification
is
is
so
that
you,
if
you
have
a
van
drive
a
van,
you
can
pull
straight
into
a
parking
stall
and
then
have
immediate
access
to
that
access.
Q
Aisle
on
the
right-hand
side
of
your
of
your
vehicle
backing
into
those
stalls
can
can
be
challenging
for
some
and
create
safety
issues
and
whatnot.
So
that's
the
reason
we
were
recommending
that
and
appreciate
the
update
to
the
code
to
recognize
the
number
of
stalls
required
under
the
law,
and
with
that
I
would
stand
for
questions.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
This
is
ken
jones.
I
reside
at
1159
e
kimberly
lane
in
boise,
I'm
chair
of
the
successful
parking
committee,
and
I
think
jeremy
has
done
an
outstanding
job
of
making
the
committee's
presentation
along
with
zach.
We
just
ask
for
your
approval.
B
That
is
all
the
folks
that
signed
up
ahead
of
time
before
this
meeting.
Is
there
anyone
else
in
attendance
this
evening?
That
would
like
to
testify
on
behalf
of
this
item.
B
C
B
Okay,
well
I'll,
just
chime
in
real
quick.
I
think
that
it's
certainly
a
positive
move
to
make
this
change
to
the
code.
Make
this
recommendation
to
city
council.
C
D
C
M
D
B
R
Thank
you
matt,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,.
R
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
category
three
hillside
review
associated
with
four
lot
subdivision
on
approximately
9.28
acres.
As
you
can
see
from
the
surrounding
area.
It
is
comprised
of
a
res
of
residential
neighborhoods
and
open
space
to
the
north
east
and
west,
and
at
the
intersection
of
bogus
basin
and
cartwright
to
the
south,
is
a
church
and
a
fire
station.
R
This
slide
shows
the
current
zoning
of
the
site,
which
is
r1b
single
family
residential,
with
a
small
section
of
the
property
to
the
south
zone
a1.
Therefore,
since
the
current
zoning
is
already
r1
single
family,
residential,
no
rezone
is
requested
with
this,
and
it's
just
a
subdivision
and
a
category
3
hillside
review
application
before
the
commission.
R
R
The
subject
property
well
before
I
start
just
a
reference.
The
north
arrow
here
is
actually
to
the
side
of
the
page.
It's
just
easier
to
configure
the
the
odd
configuration
of
this
or
fit
the
odd
configuration
of
the
slot
on
the
slide.
So
so
the
north
arrow
is
not
to
the
north
or
to
the
top
of
the
page.
The
subject
property
was
initially
planted
as
lot
three
of
the
lenoni
hills
subdivision,
with
the
intent
to
be
developed
as
a
single
family
house.
R
The
grading
of
lot
three
wasn't,
which
included
the
service
drive
and
the
building
pad
was
completed
back
in
2002.
The
grading
created
a
relatively
flat
area
on
the
top
of
the
ridge.
The
applicant
intends
to
grade
this
already
existing
flat
area
into
four
building
pads
each
on
its
own
lot,
and
the
lots
will
range
in
size
from
1.2
to
over
four
acres
in
size,
and
this
is
the
proposed
lot
layout
for
the
subdivision
on
the
preliminary
plaid.
R
The
grading
plan
shows
the
four.
This
grading
plan
shows
the
four
buildable
pads
and
the
service
drive,
which
is
existing
since
the
grading
is
relatively
restricted
or
is
generally
restricted
to
the
previous
graded
area.
It
is,
the
grading
proposed,
is
limited
to
the
essential
grading
only
and
the
cut
and
fill
is
balanced
throughout
the
site.
With
the
proposed
project,
the
project
grading
was
reviewed
by
the
public
works
engineer.
Who
stated
that
it
can
be
that
if
all
the
conditions
are
met,
the
project
is
in
compliance
with
the
hillside
development
code.
R
The
planning
team
did
receive
several
letters
of
concern
from
the
neighbors
regarding
the
grading
fire
department,
comments
and
site
design.
As
mentioned,
the
project
was
reviewed
by
the
public
works
engineer
and
was
determined
that
the
site
can
that
the
site
conditions
and
geology
can
support
the
proposed
project
if
all
conditions
are
met.
R
In
addition,
I
will
note
that
you
will
hear
tonight
testimony
from
the
public
about
moving
the
building
pads
away
from
the
edge
of
the
slope
to
from
the
west
side.
Please
understand
this
is
not
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
and,
to
my
knowledge,
any
any
modification
of
what
is
proposed
here
has
not
been
reviewed
by
the
has
not
been
reviewed
by
the
public
works
engineer.
R
The
public
work
engineer
is
here
tonight
to
answer
any
technical
questions
the
commission
might
have
regarding
the
project
as
for
site
design,
the
neighbor's
concerns
focus
on
site
access
from
cartwright
from
cartwright
road
to
the
houses
for
pedestrian
cars,
traffic
and
school
capacity
to
address
the
traffic
and
school
concerns.
I
would
note
that
this
is
a
fairly
low
density
development.
R
As
such,
there
is
traffic
capacity
on
the
adjacent
roads
to
support
the
project,
and
the
school
district
did
submit
comments
and
had
no
concerns
cars
and
pedestrians
access
from
the
site
along
the
server
or
will
be
limited
to
the
service
drive,
which
will
be
improved
as
per
fire
to
fire
department.
Comments.
Topography
is
very
steep,
though,
and
limits
access
from
the
houses
to
to
the
road
to
the
to
the
service
drive.
R
In
addition,
the
project
will
comply
with
all
the
requirements
of
the
fire
department,
as
per
the
revised
letters
that
the
commission
should
have
received
in
their
late
correspondence,
which
includes
providing
a
30-foot
wooie
setback
from
all
the
adjacent
open
space
land.
So,
in
conclusion,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
the
category
three
hillside
application
and
the
subdivision.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
jane
floor
is
yours.
S
I
will
do
that.
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening,
commissioners,
staff
and,
of
course,
all
the
virtual
guests,
jane
suggs,
with
jim
state
planning,
9840
west
overland
road
suite
120
in
boise
dave,
gave
you
a
pretty
quick
overview
of
the
project
and
I
can
only
add
a
few
things.
S
As
david
mentioned,
the
property
was
previously
approved
as
a
subdivision
called
leone
hills.
It
was
approved
and
platted
back
in
about
1999-2000
around
2005
is
when
some
of
these
improvements
were
made,
the
road
was
put
in
and
some
grading
and
dave.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
the
original
existing
conditions
drawing,
but
it
shows
where
those
pads
are
or
kind
of
where
the
grading
has
already
occurred
or
where
there
are
gently
sloping
areas
our
request,
let's
see
about
three
years
ago,
the
current
owner,
mr
j.o,
purchased
the
land
from
our
old
coach
pete.
S
Our
request
is
to
subdivide
the
lot
in
of
9.3
acres
into
four
single-family
homes.
They'll
use
the
existing
driveway
and
also
it
very
much
respects
the
graded
areas
that
are
already
there
and
the
gently
sloping
areas
for
the
new
homes
you
can
tell
by
the
topo
that
there
are
some.
You
can
see
the
underlying
grades
and
that's
where
the
more
gentle
slopes
are.
S
We
will
meet
the
firework
department
requirements,
we
will
meet
the
subdivision
requirements
and
we
will
meet
the
hillside
requirements.
As
david
noted,
there
were
some
concerns
by
the
neighbors
who
live
in
a
hillside
development,
that's
just
across
cartwright
road
and
the
el
palar
subdivision.
S
Of
course,
the
driveway
will
be
widened
to
20
feet
that
allows
for
two-way
traffic
for
four
homes
and
also
provide
for
fire
access
and
one
of
the
things
you
might
not
notice,
but
we're
actually
putting
a
fire
hydrant
up
on
top
of
the
hill
and
that's
to
make
sure
that
if
there
are
fires
to
be
fought,
then
up
in
that
area
with
the
turn
around
it
turn
a
little
little
turnaround
is
that
you'll
actually
see
that
we
don't
have
to
pull
a
fire
hose
across
cartwright
road.
S
You
know
we
rely
on
these
professionals
to
actually
our
engineers
and
also
the
professionals
you
have
on
your
team
at
the
city
and
we
design
very
carefully,
and
we
also
review
these
permits
very
carefully
to
make
sure
that
they
meet
all
the
standards.
Of
course,
there
is
a
list
of
conditions
and
at
all
times,
both
our
team
of
professionals
and
the
city
will
be
involved
as
the
project
proceeds.
S
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Miss
suggs,
we're
going
to
hold
on
questions
for
just
a
minute.
First,
we're
going
to
hear
from
the
neighborhood
association.
B
I
assume
we
have
there's
someone
online
representing
the
neighbor,
the
highlands
and
neighborhood
association.
Could
you
please
raise
your
hand.
B
T
No
sir,
I
am
actually
in
the
el
palar
estates
directly
across
from
the
proposed
planning.
I'm
sorry,
I
was
misunderstood
there.
B
No,
that's
that's
totally.
That
is
just
fine.
We
can
just
hang
on
for
one
minute.
We're
gonna
go
ahead
and
field
questions
from
the
commission
for
either
staff
or
the
applicant
at
this
time
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
public
comment
so
to
the
commission.
Are
there
any
questions
for
staff
or
the
applicant.
B
Let
me
go
with
mr
commissioner
gillespie
first,
please!
Oh
no,
ladies
first
yeah.
Definitely
okay!
Commissioner
moore.
I
believe
that's,
commissioner
moore.
U
Reasoning
behind
the
the
street
frontage
of
those
lots
and
I'm
assuming
that
that's
that
they're
kind
of
tapering
over
to
gain
that
street
finish
does
that
meet
the
intent
of
the
code
when
it
talks
about
30
feet
of
street
frontage,
just
having
access
to
it
or
does
it
need
a
driveway
or
some
sort
of
physical
like
circulation
access?
And
I
guess
this
is
a
question
more
for.
R
Staff
chair
members
of
the
commission,
it
does
actually
meet
the
code.
These
are
30
foot
poles
that
provide
access
down
to
the
to
the
street
and
in
this
circumstance,
given
the
topography,
the
actual
site,
access
to
the
building
pads
will
be
through
a
shared
driveway,
but
this
complies
with
all
the
requirements
of
the
subdivision,
ordinance.
V
N
F
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
and
I'm
so
I'm
looking
at
the
same
slide
everyone's
looking
at
so
lots,
one
two
three
and
four.
You
can
clearly
see
the
building
pads,
the
the
flattish
area,
and
so
is
it
my
understanding
that
all
four
of
those
areas
had
been
previously
graded
or
gently
contoured.
R
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
I
know
for
if
you
can
bring
up
some
of
the
old
aerial
photographs,
but
lot
one
two
and
three
was
definitely
previously
graded
for
the
house.
F
F
And
that
shows
also
that
it's
already
been
graded.
It
looks
like
to
me
in
fact
that
whole
road
going
out
to
four
has
already
looks
like
it's
been
graded
to
me,
because
you
know
the
topos
just
changed
dramatically.
R
That
is
correct.
There's
mr
chair
members
of
commission
that
the
the
area
out
to
number
four
there
is
a
road
that
currently
goes
out
there.
So
clearly
it
was
graded
in
that
road.
There's
a
road
was
constructed
out
to
that
four
building
pad
area
which
is
on
top
of
or
close
the
top
of
the
ridge
and
was
naturally
or
relatively
flat
to
the
beginning.
M
B
B
Well,
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
hearing
portion
of
this
item.
We
had
a
few
folks
that
signed
up
ahead
of
time,
we're
going
to
start
with
those
folks,
and
then
we
will
move
to
those
of
you
that
are
online
and
just
raise
your
hand.
First
was
heath
clark,
but
it
looks
like
maybe
mr
clark
may
have
dropped.
O
O
I
will
thank
you
and,
and
david
has
a
a
brief
presentation.
I
think
that
he
could
maybe
load
up
for
me
so
again.
Heath
clark,
251
east
front
street,
in
this
case
I'm
representing
zwj
properties,
llc
and
it's
principal
zeke,
johnson
zeke's,
here
with
me,
and
when
we
can
get
this
up.
I'd
like
to
refer
to
that
picture
as
we
go
so
ask
for
your
patience.
O
Thank
you.
So,
as
I
start
out,
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
we
are
not
opposed
to
development
in
general,
including
in
this
area.
My
clients,
development,
the
win
hollow
subdivision,
was
approved
a
few
years
ago
immediately
to
the
west
of
the
proposed
project.
So
as
you're
looking
at
the
grading
map
that
we've
all
been
referring
to
today,
it's
immediately
above
this
picture.
O
O
So
this
picture
helps
to
illustrate
our
concerns.
This
is
the
view
from
the
southwest
facing
the
proposed
subdivision
when
windwall
hollow
was
developed,
which
was
after
this
grading
that
was
done
on
top
of
the
adjacent
hillside
like
in
other
foothills
projects.
We
did
slope
stability
studies
at
that
point.
O
Those
walls
are
designed
rated
to
exceed
the
loads
that
a
highway
barriers
can
handle
in
the
next
slide.
We
have
two
concerns
that
we
hope
can
be
addressed
through
the
problems
through
this
process.
The
first
is
with
regard
to
the
proximity
of
the
slopes,
we're
concerned
that
the
defensible
space
required
under
the
wildland
urban
interface
code
will
be
along
those
steep
slopes.
That
means,
if
those
areas
have
to
be
maintained,
that
there
could
be
an
additional
erosion
so
to
avoid
that
we're
suggesting
that
the
defensible
space
all
be
above
the
edge
of
slope.
O
O
They
made
a
recommendation
that
there
being
no
water
zone
established
at
the
top
of
slopes
to
prohibit
potentially
destabilizing
effects
of
water,
irrigation,
runoff
and
subsurface
discharge
next
slide
practically
it.
We
understand
that
it
could
be
difficult
to
enforce
that
you
can
put
it
in
the
ccnr's,
but
then
you're,
relying
on
the
hoa
to
prevent
a
problem
that
could
be
pretty
horrific
if
it
plays
out.
O
So
our
suggestion
would
be
to
move
the
driveways
around
and
that
would
essentially
force
the
reduction
in
the
amount
of
landscape
that
could
be
over
watered
and
lead
to
erosion
above
us.
So
again,
excuse
me.
We
are
not
opposed
to
the
development,
but
we
are
concerned
with
two
things:
the
use
of
steep
slopes
for
defensible
space
and
we're
very
concerned
with
the
possibility
of
over
watering
and
believe
that
could
be
a
significant
potential
hazard
to
our
property,
and
so
with
that
I'd
leave
and
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
W
Yes,
my
name
is
deborah
steyer,
I'm
at
4163
north
la
fontana
way
up
in
the
el
palar
upper
neighborhood
association,
as
we
do
not
have
a
homeowners
association
at
this
time.
In
our
neighborhood,
I
felt
it
was
prudent
that
we
had
somebody
speak
for
our
neighbors.
Our
concern
is
not
in
the
development
in
itself.
We
are
not
opposed
to,
or
at
least
I
am
not
opposed
to
having
the
development
there.
Ours
is
line
of
sight
earlier.
They
addressed
that
and
stated
that
our
view
is
only
to
the
south,
which
is
inaccurate.
W
Our
view
in
the
upper
neighborhood
is
also
to
the
west,
and
our
concern
is
that
these
four
homes
would
degrade
the
value
of
our
homes.
When
that
view
is
blocked,
we
would
suggest
that
there
be
stated
somewhere
that
the
tree
heights
in
these
neighborhoods
be
restricted
to
no
no
greater
than
20
feet
tall
so
that
we
can
maintain
our
property
value
in
the
upper
outpel
our
neighborhood.
B
T
Sure
thing
dylan
klein
three
five,
seven,
once
not
away
boy
was
the
idaho
83702.
T
T
There
are
currently
two
red-tailed
hawks
nests
up
there:
two
red
fox
dens,
western
screech
owl
and
a
great
horned
owl
among
osprian
and
several
other
species
that
have
been
living
on
that
hillside
in
the
15
years
that
I've
owned
the
property
directly
across
from
it,
which
also
is
part
of
my
view
and
the
aesthetic
the
value
of
the
home,
which
I
agree
with
the
previous
statement
from
the
gal
in
the
neighborhood,
stating
that
our
views
are
not
only
to
the
south
but
to
the
west,
which
this
development
will
greatly
impact.
T
We've
got
another
issue,
is
preservation
of
outstanding
or
unique
features
which
that
hillside
there
is
definitely
a
foothills
ridge,
which
also
is
a
part.
I
will
note
of
the
foothills.
T
Also,
these
having
those
homes
that
would
really
destroy
the
aesthetic
value,
as
well
as
home,
values,
recreation,
public
access,
beautification,
privacy,
they'd
all
be
looking
down
basically
into
the
neighborhoods
windows
view
destroy
natural
habitats
with
the
potential
of
traffic
signs.
You
know
right
in
front
of
the
fire
station
here.
That
would
disrupt
our
view.
T
Erosion
is
the
really
bad
thing,
though
I
don't
see
any
way
of
getting
a
fire
truck
up
that
into
the
neighborhood
or
back
down
for
that
matter.
The
soil
stability
on
that
road
is
horrendous.
I
I
I
know
mike
home
and
the
guy
that
developed
the
place.
He
abandoned
the
project
because
it
was
so
silty
and
sandy.
T
So
the
valley,
you
know,
in
addition
to
our
homes
being
devalued
and
public
trails
being
cut
off,
and
natural
habitats
and
ecosystems
being
destroyed,
which
I
don't
think
have
been
looked
into
or
addressed.
The
soil
erosion
is
incredibly
horrible
and
I
believe,
on
both
sides
of
the
hill.
I
don't
think
that
there
that
you
can
have
defensible
area
built
out
enough
without
destroying
natural
habitats
and
creating
more
problems.
T
So
I
think
that
road
that
they're
proposing
to
widen
going
up
would
have
the
potential
to
not
only
cave
in
on
the
residents
below
but
into
the
fire
station
as
well
and,
like
I
said
I,
I
have
been
here
15
years
and
I
I
watched
mike
home
and
developed
place
and
I
talked
to
him
quite
a
bit
about
it
and
he
abandoned
that
project
because
of
those
problems
pretty
much
impossible.
But
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
really
appreciate
it.
T
Too,
that
I
sit
on
the
transportation
committee,
so
I'm
yeah.
H
B
Okay,
oh
I'm
sorry,
we
have
a
hand
up
stephen
holmes,
mr
holmes,
if
you
could
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
you
have
three.
M
Is
this
better?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
stephen
holmes,
3610
north
sonata
way
in
the
el
par
neighborhood.
M
I'd
like
to
reinforce
the
views
for
the
two
other
people
that
were
talking
about
property
values
and
habitat
and
ecological
impact,
I'm
also
concerned
about
work
hours.
If
this
actually
does
go
through,
will
work
hours,
be
stipulated,
say
eight
to
five,
or
are
people
going
to
be
starting
to
work
at
five
o'clock
in
the
morning?
M
B
B
Okay,
seeing
no
hands
raised,
we
will
return
back
to
the
applicant
for
rebuttal,
miss
suggs
and
your
team.
Maybe
five
minutes
I
think,
would
be
appropriate,
but
if
you
need
more
time
we
could
probably
add
a
few
minutes
if
you
need.
S
Thank
you,
chairman
and
commissioners.
I
appreciate
the
time
to
address
some
of
these
issues
from
the
neighbors
I'll
start
at
the
mr
holmes
concerned
and
dave
moser
has
a
couple
things
online
on
his
in
his
powerpoint
deck.
Probably
we
should
bring
up
a
couple
of
the
photographs
that
we
have
of
examples
of
walls
there.
We
go
the
one
on
the
left.
S
If
you
can
see
there
is
some
texture
and
it
is
a
bit
colored
and
there
is
texture
to
the
wall,
so
it
doesn't
look
like
a
concrete
wall.
The
only
one
about
the
problem
with
that
photograph
is,
it
shows
the
slope
kind
of
bare
slope
above
that's
why
I
came
up
with
this
photograph
too
an
example
because
at
the
top
of
the
slope,
we'll
actually
be
pushing
this
shock
creep
back
into
the
slope.
S
This
is
shot
creek,
that's
on
top
of
a
soil
nail
wall
and
that's
a
little
different
from
maybe
some
of
the
shot.
Creek
walls
you've
seen
around
town
that
look
like
that.
They're
just
sprayed
on
to
the
soil
itself,
so
rest
assured
that
our
geotechnical
engineer
has
taken
a
look
at
this
and
has
specified
a
soil
nail
wall
that's
been
covered
with
textured
and
dyed
shot,
crete,
I'm
going
to
have
to
defer
to
dave
about
work
hours.
I
believe,
there's
7
a.m,
to
probably
7
00
p.m,
or
something
like
that.
S
We
certainly
don't,
especially
in
these
hot
summer
days,
don't
wait
until
8
o'clock
and
we
don't
stop
at
5
when
we're
under
construction.
However,
the
engineer
has
spent
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
balance
the
cut
and
fill
on
the
property,
so
the
larger
trucks
that
would
be
moving
stuff
wouldn't
be
coming
up
and
down
the
driveway,
so
we're
trying
really
hard
to
keep
the
soil
it's
up
on
the
top
of
the
hill
on
top
of
the
hill.
S
I
want
to
address
the
the
concerns
about
the
wui
and
the
habitat.
I
think
mr
klein
had
thought
that
that
was
a
a
wildlife,
a
wildlife
urban
interface.
It's
really
the
wildland
urban
interface
that
has
to
do
with
fire
protection,
and
we
are,
of
course,
going
to
meet
all
the
requirements
for
that.
S
I
don't
I'm
not
aware
of
any
trails
on
the
property
that
crisscross
the
property,
it's
pretty
steep
to
go
up
on
either
side
of
the
property
I
do
see,
sometimes
where
there's
some
kids
up
there
on
that
lot.
Number
four
there's
a
concrete
pad
there
and
people
like
to
sit
up
there
and
drink
beer.
So
I've
been
up
there
a
couple
of
times
myself,
not
drinking
beer.
Just
to
see
we
can
get
a
fire
truck
up
there.
S
We
do
have
have
worked
with
both
mr
johnson
before
he
left
and
now
with
jerry
too,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
meet
all
the
fire
department
requirements.
S
Let's
see,
I'm
glad
to
know
that
the
the
folks
over
in
el
palar
not
a
averse
to
development
since
they
live
in
a
foothills
development
as
well,
but
I
don't
believe
that
there
are
any
really
view
easements,
as
I
mentioned
before,
that
would
maintain
some
sort
of
view
for
them
and
I
think
the
trees
in
el
par
probably
are
a
lot
more.
I'm
it's
a
really
well
established
subdivision
and
has
some
large
trees,
which
I
think
makes
it
the
foothills
development
sort
of
more
conducive
to
the
neighborhood.
S
I'm
not
going
to
talk
a
whole
lot
about
the
mr,
mr
clark
and
mr
johnson's
request
to
redesign
the
project.
I
do
have
the
two
experts
on
tap
sort
of
so
if
they
would
like
to
maybe
weigh
in
on
this
idea
dave
if
you
could
put
our
grading
plan
back
up
just
so
that
way,
they
would
have
something
to
talk
about.
S
It
helps
to
see
and
yeah
even
that
one
that
one
that
either
one
that
shows
those
lots
and
how
they
were,
as
mr
gillespie
said,
already
sort
of
I'll.
Let
dave
powell
and
adrian
had
chat
with
you
about
some
of
these
issues
with
catchments
and
water.
X
So
this
day,
pal
can
people
hear
me.
We
can
yes,
okay,
dave
powell,
2447,
south
vista
avenue,
boise,
idaho,
I'm
the
project
engineer
for
for
this
particular
project
and
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
project
has
on
the
upper
portion
of
of
the
of
the
project,
the
upper
road
that
follows
lot
one
and
lot
two:
that's
an
existing
roadway.
It's
in
excellent
condition,
all
of
the
utilities
to
lots
one
and
two
are
already
installed
along
that
alignment.
X
So
to
think
of
re
of
wasting
that
roadway
going
over
to
the
west
side
totally
regrading
that
to
accept
a
new
roadway
is
is
just
does
not
make
sense
for
the
project,
and
I
can
appreciate
the
concerns
of
mr
johnson
and
his
home
site
that
he
has
down
below,
but
I
think
we
have
enough
checks
and
balances
in
this
project
with
our
geotechnical
evaluations,
our
grading,
evaluations
and
city,
public
works,
evaluations
and
constraints
are
going
to
be
put
on
this
project
that
we
can
provide
for
proper
grading
and
drainage
to
protect
the
slopes
below
to
the
west.
X
A
visual
inspection
of
of
this
area,
either
through
google
earth
or
aerial
photos,
shows
that
at
least
to
date,
there's
been
no
sloughing
of
these
soils.
No
loss
of
vegetation,
no
erosion
of
these
slopes
that
would
that
would
put
that
property
down
at
the
bottom
of
the
slope
of
jeopardy.
That's
another
reason
why
we're
taking
this
gentle
slope
that
goes
from
lot,
1
down
toward
lot
3
and
providing
pads
we're
providing
pads
so
that
you
know
where
the
home
footprint
is
going
to
go.
I
believe
the
developer,
mr
geo,
is
committed
to
single
story.
X
Lots
on
lots,
two
three
and
four
lot.
One
is
the
only
lot
that
he
is
is
is
not
committing
to
a
single
story
on
we
have
a.
We
have
recommendation
in
our
geotech
report
that
says
roof
drain
systems
should
be
installed,
so
we
have
a
design
system
for
rift
drains
to
pick
up
all
hard
surfaces
and
all
yard
surfaces,
if
need
be
so
that
you
have
a
net
increase.
X
So
once
this
project
goes
through
this
process
and
processing,
if
we
are
able
to
get
approval
of
primary
plat,
we
are
going
to
go
through
another
level
of
design
to
preven,
prepare
final
design
reports.
So
there's
another
level
of
scrutiny
that
is,
is
going
to
be
evaluated
on
our
part
and
the
city's
part
to
make
sure
that
this
project
is
is
viable
for
this
upper
upper
slope
area,
and
I
think
that's
probably
all
I
need.
Oh
one
more
thing.
X
Moving
that
we
to
the
top
of
those
ridges,
and
if
you
can
imagine,
30
foot
inset
from
that
point
and
then
on
the
easterly
side,
30
foot
from
that
point,
you
don't
have
a
building
pad
for
any
one
of
these
four
lots.
So
that
is
an
absolute
condition
that
we
cannot
have
for
this
subdivision
and
and
with
the
fire
department's
requirement
of
that.
We
the
primary
reason
for
that
30-foot
defensible
space
is
for
access.
B
B
C
B
F
So
just
a
couple
of
things
that
are
really
forefront
in
my
mind:
one
these
pads
are,
for
all
intents
and
purposes
already
there
and
they've
been
there
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
so,
unlike
a
lot
of
foothills
development,
we
actually
know
that
at
least
the
grading
that's
been
done,
hasn't
caused,
as
the
engineer
said,
sloughing
or
erosion,
or
had
a
big,
we
haven't
had
a
big
issue.
F
I
looked
at
the
pictures
of
the
road,
I'm
not
a
road
engineer,
but
it
didn't
look
like
the
road
had
either
slid
out
either.
So
it
looks
like
the
road
bed
is
solid
enough
that
it's
it's
there
to
be
built
on
and
in
this
particular
case,
given
that,
I
trust
that
the
the
city,
engineers
and
the
applicants
engineers
are
going
to
be
able
to
build
a
stable
subdivision.
F
I'd
also
just
point
out
briefly:
this
is
9.28
acres
with
respect
to
wildlife
and
sort
of
open
space.
It
preserves
the
vast
majority
of
that
space
isn't
developed
or
isn't
really
affected
at
all.
So,
all
in
all,
unlike
a
lot
of
foothills
development,
we
see
this
one
I
think,
is
going
to
have
pretty
minimal
impact
going
forward
because
of
what's
already
been
done.
So
for
that
reason
I
support
it.
B
C
I'll
just
say
this
is
a
a
really
big
blast
from
the
past.
For
me,
I
was
the
original
planner
on
leone
hillsback
as
a
young
boise
city
planner
in
2000,
I
think
1999
somewhere
in
there.
C
U
Public
works
recommended
condition
of
approvals,
including
if
they
find
any
soils
or
encounter
any
soils
that
are
not
what
they
expected
or
that
alter
anything
during
construction
that
that
too,
will
is
required
to
be
reported
to
the
city
and
worked
out
as
well.
So
there's
that
additional
in
terms
of
the
soil
stability
concerns.
U
If,
if
it
is
encountered
during
there,
they
will
be
required
to
work
through
it.
As.
B
B
Okay,
I'll
just
chime
in
real
quick,
I'm
also
in
support
of
this
motion.
I
agree
with
commissioner
gillespie's
summary
of
the
project.
I
think
it
works
in
the
project's
favor
that.
H
C
B
Excess
of
15
years
ago,
and
that
there
are
no
apparent
issues,
major
issues
with
that
grading.
B
I
also
second
the
comments
that
you
know
we're
to
point
now
with
these
hillside
developments,
that
there
are
a
series
of
checks
and
rechecks
and
rechecks
and
as
the
applicant
pointed
out,
there
will
be
an
additional
series
of
checks
once
they
get
to
the
construction
of
each
of
these
individual
lots.
So
I
feel
comfortable
that
you
know
what's
being
proposed,
is
being
fully
vetted
and
that
it
will
be
a
successful
and
safe
project.
D
H
E
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
that
and
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
take
just
a
quick
five
minute
break.
So
if
everybody
can
be
back
to
their
computers
at
let's
call
it
723,
we
will
reconvene
at
that
time.
B
F
H
B
Well,
it
looks
like
mr
leon,
mr
lesson
ironed,
a
shirt
for
us
this
evening,
so
my.
Y
B
L
B
All
right
we
got
mr
blanchard
is
back
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
proceed.
Our
last
item
this
evening,
pud
20-18
and
sub
20-15
at
3622,
west
sunset
avenue,
conditional
use
permit
and
preliminary
plat
for
a
two
buildable
lot
subdivision
on
point
three:
one:
acres
in
an
r1c
zone,
mr
letson.
The
floor
is
yours:.
Y
The
subject
property
is
a
0.3
acre
parcel
located
on
the
north
side
of
sunset
avenue
between
36th
street
and
woody
drive
surrounding
uses
include
single-family
homes
on
lots,
ranging
from
1
8
to
1
3
of
an
acre
in
size.
Howard
taft
elementary
is
approximately
500
feet
to
the
southwest,
and
the
intersection
of
veterans.
Memorial,
parkway
and
state
street
is
less
than
one
quarter
of
a
mile
to
the
south.
Y
The
pud
consists
of
two
lots
that
are
approximately
6000
and
seven
three
hundred
square
feet.
Each
the
only
dimensional
standard.
The
outcome
is
utilizing.
The
pd4
involves
a
reduction
to
the
minimum
lot
width
of
50
feet
typically
required
in
the
r1c
zone.
The
lot
pictured
here
on
the
west
side
of
the
development
will
be
approximately
43
feet
wide.
Y
As
previously
mentioned,
the
project
includes
a
two
lot
subdivision,
including
this
request
as
a
waiver
to
the
requirements
to
install
curb
gutter
and
sidewalks.
Although
the
planning
team
is
supportive
of
the
request
to
wave
curb
and
gutter,
we
believe
sidewalks
should
be
installed.
Pictured
here
is
an
overview
of
the
neighborhood.
Currently
sidewalks
exist
on
the
south
side
of
sunset
avenue,
so
this
area
here
we
have
attached
sidewalks.
J
Y
All
our
viewing
agencies
and
departments
approve
the
project
with
standard
condition,
conditions,
achd,
does
support,
waving,
curb
and
gutter
for
drainage
and
other
typical
reasons
that
they
wave
curb
and
gutter
on
projects
like
this,
it
should
be
noted
that
included
in
late
correspondence
the
project
there
was
a
project.
Y
So
from
a
visual
standpoint,
they
were
concerned
and
if
they're
on
the
call
tonight,
they
can
give
you
additional
reasons
as
well,
but
they
were
also
stated
in
that
letter.
So,
in
conclusion,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
pud
and
waiver
of
the
subdivision,
ordinance
requirement
for
curb
and
gutter.
As
well
as
the
two
lot
subdivision,
the
motions
needed
are
a
final
decision
on
the
plan,
unit,
development
and
a
recommendation
of
council
on
the
subdivision,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
matt
smith,
3622
west
sunset,
I'm
here
with
my
wife,
sam
sam
smith,
and
can
you
can
everybody
hear
us?
We
can
yeah,
oh
okay,
great
all
right
yeah.
So
thank
you
guys
for
sticking
around
for
for
so
late
and
reviewing
this
for
us.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
things
like
we.
We
are.
We
do
have
a
waiver
and
we
decided
to
do
the
waiver.
Z
I
like
it,
took
a
little
while
before
we
actually
came
to
this
conclusion,
but
I
was
talking
to
ethan
and
I
thought
that
it
was
actually
fine
with
the
sidewalk
sidewalk
and
curb
and
gutter,
if
not
all
of
it.
Until
I
started
talking
to
achd
and
I
realized
ethan.
Y
Z
Asked
me
if
they
were
planning
on
having
in
their
five
year,
and
so
I
went
ahead
and
asked
that
and
then
achd
mentioned
that
they
I
think
it
was
stacy
yarrington
they
chd.
Z
She
mentions
it's
not
in
the
five
or
ten
year
plan
for
achd.
In
fact,
it's
not
in
the
plan
at
all
to
put
a
sidewalk-
and
I
didn't
know
this,
but
apparently
like
the
city
wouldn't
ask
for
the
sidewalk.
Z
Unless
there
was
a
subdivision
going
in
this
is
sort
of
this
is
ethan
mentioning
that
to
me
and
the
the
two
houses
to
the
east
of
us
are
there
they're
developed
and
the
lots
are
developed
and
they
were
just
purchased
recently
by
teagun
couples,
and
they
would
have
to
actually
get
rid
of
that
house
and
then
divide
those
lots
out
to
be
required
to
have
sidewalk
out
in
the
front,
and
my
fear
is
that
I
would
spend
eight
thousand
dollars.
Z
I
actually
don't
know
how
much
the
side
would
cost.
Maybe
it's
more
than
that.
But
I
imagine
it's
something
like
that
to
cover
the
95
feet
and
it
would
be
an
island
sidewalk
for
20
years
until
achd
decided
that
they
wanted
to
redo
the
road
and
then
they
would
rebuild
it
or
take
it
out,
and
I
kind
of
feel
like
this
is
this:
is
the
ethan's
own
words
in
the
in
the
description?
That's
extremely
unlikely.
Infill
development
or
redevelopment
will
happen
because
it's
a
well-maintained,
valuable,
mid-century,
home
and
lots
are
basically.
Z
Z
And
I
think
there
was
there
was
also
just
recently
a
house
built
right
around
the
corner
from
us
and
and
they
weren't
they
weren't
really
required
to
build
any
so
actually
weren't
required
at
all
to
build
a
sidewalk
curb
or
gutter.
And
then
I
think
it
is
pretty
kind
of
a
valid
point
with
the
sign
barrier.
Z
So
if
this
thing
sits
there
for
20
years
and
there's
a
side
barrier
at
the
end
of
the
lot
and
nobody's
really
using
it,
then
I
I
just
kind
of
like
I
kind
of
questioned
the
validity
or
like
the
reason
for
having
that
there
and
I
understand,
if
we're,
if
we're.
Z
V
Oh
well,
I
just
yeah.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us.
I
think
my
biggest
concern
was
just
the
just
to
kind
of
echo
what
matt
said
and
that's
the
the
fact
that
the
sidewalk
won't
be
continued,
and
so
we
fully
support
sidewalks
and
boise.
V
We
think
they're
extremely
important
for
pedestrians
and
for
parking
and
but
that
that's
the
main
concern
is
that
we
would
just
have
sort
of
this
island
with
signs
at
the
ends
and
and
the
chances
of
there
being
a
continued
sidewalk
seems
pretty
limited
right
now,
but
we
are,
you
know,
fully
open
to
to
putting
in
a
sidewalk.
If
you
guys
think
that's
what's
best.
We
just
wanted
to
have
to
voice
these
concerns
and
see
what
you
think.
B
B
C
I
have
a
question
for
staff,
so
leon
talk
to
me
about.
I
I'm
having
the
same
issues
that
the
aspen's
having
with
the
sidewalk,
I'm
always
a
huge
advocate
for
pedestrian
connectivity,
but
this
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
me
right
now,
especially
because
it's
not
an
epg's
five
or
ten
year
work
plan.
C
Y
And
chair
commissioner
squires:
that's
my
knowledge,
there's
no
redevelopment
in
the
area
that
would
really
connect
this
property
to
existing
sidewalks
in
the
area,
it's
more
of
a
principle
that
we
try
to
get
sidewalks
wherever
we
can
certainly
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission,
to
decide
if
that's
appropriate
here
or
not.
I
mean
I
think
that
there
have
been
good
arguments
made
on
both
sides,
but
back
to
your
point,
yeah,
no,
no
adjacent
parcels
redeveloping
that
staff
is
aware
of
so.
F
D
Y
Chairman
commissioner
gillespie,
no,
I
don't
believe
so.
I
think
we're
able
to
retain
all
of
the
existing
trees
on
site
and
be
able
to
accommodate
for
new
trees.
Y
It's
simply,
I
think,
to
the
point
that
there's
not
going
to
be
a
connection
on
either
side
for
a
while
that
it
seems
to
be
the
biggest
concern,
but
no,
no,
nothing
that
would
prohibit
the
sidewalk.
The
curb
and
gutter
were
problematic
for
achd,
as
noted
in
their
review
that
it
would
runs
the
potential
to
create
some
drainage
issues,
but
yeah
no,
no
constraints
on
the
site
that
would
prohibit
the
or
limit
our
ability
to
have
a
sidewalk.
L
Hi
yeah
a
couple
of
questions
for
you
leon,
so
you
mentioned
that
achd
had
waved
curb
and
gutter
did
they
also
wave
sidewalk.
Y
Y
L
So
yeah
I'm
trying
to
relate
this
to
situations
where
we've
dealt
with
other
islands
or
proposals
for
island
sidewalks
and
in
many
of
those
cases
we've
said
no,
but
that
that
doesn't
seem
to
make
sense,
and
so
I'm
trying
to
trying
to
define
what
the
difference
here,
because,
quite
frankly,
the
analysis
makes
a
compelling
argument
to
not
have
it.
L
It
lists
about
five
points
that
actually
the
applicant
has
has
listed
those
in
his
in
his
testimony
previously
and
it
and
it
seems
to
be
referencing
comprehensive
plan
goals
that
don't
directly
talk
about
sidewalks.
So
can
you
help
me
to
find
a
difference
in
this
versus
other
areas?
Where
we've
actually
said
now,
we
shouldn't
put
in
an
island
sidewalk.
Y
Yeah,
commissioner,
broad
number-
I
I
think
I
again
it
seems
to
be
more
of
a
principal
move
that
sidewalks
are
a
good
play
here
to
him
to
promote
connectivity.
It
is
a
you
know:
redeveloping
neighborhood,
there's
a
park
in
close
proximity,
a
school
and
close
park.
Well,
not
a
park,
there's
a
school
in
close
proximity.
So
generally
we
like
to
see
improved
pedestrian
facilities
in
situations
like
that,
but
it
is
I
I
would
say
that
it's
largely
a
high
level
like
push
to
get
these
sidewalks.
Y
Y
Do
it
and
we'll
see
what
happens
to
those
adjacent
parcels
and
and
see
if
we
can
get
something
connected,
but
yeah
we've
still,
you
know,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there's
130
foot
gap
that'll
be
between
the
edge
of
that
sidewalk
and
then
heading
east
to
the
existing
sidewalk
at
the
corner
of
36th
and
sunset.
Y
How
long
that
takes
to
fill
in
you
know,
that's
that's
really
a
matter
of
redevelopment
occurring.
So,
okay,
thank.
F
I
know
we
had
a
very
active
discussion
several
months
ago
about
a
parcel
where
there
was
a
hundred
feet
adjacent
and
there
was
another
100
feet
on
top
of
it
and
there
was
irrigation
in
the
way
we
had
a
long
long
discussion.
I
think
we
did
end
up
requiring
a
sidewalk,
so
I'm
struggling-
and
I
would
like
to
be
reminded
of
when
we
have
waved
the
whole
shooting
match.
Sidewalk
curb
and
gutter.
L
Y
Yeah
chairman,
commissioner
moore
I
did
reach
out
to
stacy
harrington
actually
of
achd
and
astra.
Specifically.
Is
that
something
that
is
required?
She
said
yes,
we
do
require
that
for
sidewalks,
that
don't
continue.
Y
She
said
the
only
exception
being
is,
if
there's
a
gentle
enough
grade
to
the
adjacent
properties
that
they
could
easily
just
end
the
sidewalk
without
it
creating
you
know
some
kind
of
hazard
for
pedestrians
using
that
sidewalk
there,
but
she
said
that
is
their
default.
Move
is
to
put
those
signs
at
the
end
of
incomplete
sidewalks,
like.
Y
E
Didn't
we
we
just
approved
one
of
these
a
couple
months
ago
on
anna
street,
up
on
the
bench.
B
Y
Chairman,
I
will
note
it's
always
at
the
discretion
of
the
commission
to
look
at
each
specific
site
and
determine
if
it's
appropriate.
I
mean.
Certainly
consistency
and
precedent
are
important
for
any
guiding
body
of
the
city,
but
I
think,
looking
at
a
case-by-case
situation
is
probably
a
good
way
to
go
for
this
one.
So.
B
Appreciate
the
the
insight
there
leon,
I
do
have
one
other
question
for
you
off
topic
and
mostly
more
of
a
procedural
question.
I
think
than
anything.
You
know,
there's
a
obviously
a
large
silver
maple
that
they're
gonna
take
down
to
make
room
for
the
new,
the
new
house-
and
I
note
that
they
are-
they
did
work
with
boise
city
forestry,
to
locate.
I
think
two
trees
on
the
property
to
sort
of
replace
that
silver
maple
was
there.
B
Y
Y
U
I
have
one
more
question
on
the
sidewalk
for
staff,
so
one
of
the
points
in
the
project
report
or
the
staff
report
was
that
sidewalks
also
help
delineate
parking
for
that
length
of
of
roadway.
Can
you
tell
us
how
many
parking
spaces
based
on
the
driveways
and
and
things
like
that?
That
would
need
to
be
avoided?
Would
we
be
delineating
I
just
setting
out
with
that.
Y
Yes,
chairman,
commissioner
moore
typically
a
parallel
space
is
22
feet
wide
or
long.
I
guess,
if
I'm
speaking
about
that
dimension
appropriately,
you
know
I'm
seeing
we
have
about
95
feet
of
frontage
here.
Y
If
I'm
doing
my
math
properly
and
it
looks
like
we
will
have
at
a
minimum
two
like
10
to
12
foot
driveways,
so
just
from
that
alone,
I
mean
we
can
pull
that
number
out
and
we
would
still
have
you
know
roughly
one
and
a
half
to
two
spaces
in
front
of
the
lot
to
the
east
and
we'd
have
room
for
about
one
space,
a
lot
to
the
west
in
terms
of
on-street
parking.
If
I'm
answering
your
question
properly,.
B
B
W
B
B
Oh
I'm
sorry
I
have
somebody
signed
up.
I
apologize
ed.
Let's
take
a
quick
step
back.
I
have
a
jeffrey
oliver
down
here
to
testify.
B
AA
Not
really
I
mean
we
hadn't
heard
the
specifics
of
it,
so
we
were
just
here
just
to
understand
what
they
were
doing
and
we
really
like
what
they're
doing
this
infill
project
looks
really
great,
so
fully
support
it
and
totally
understand
the
neighbors
on
any
any
sign
issue
that
they're
looking
at.
But
I
I
do
struggle
with
trying
to
put
sidewalks
in
after
living
here,
23
years
and
watching
the
kids
going
back
and
forth
to
school.
I
mean
they
can
easy.
They
do
walk
across
the
street
too,
to
use
that
sidewalk.
AA
They
also
walk
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
and
there's
plenty
there's
a
lot
of
space
there
for
them
to
walk.
So
just
a
comment
on
that:
that's
it.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
with
that
and
there's
really
not
much
to
rebuttal,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
give
the
applicant
a
chance
a
few
minutes
to
rebuttal.
If
you'd
like
something.
V
Let's
just
well,
I
don't
think
we
really
have
much
what
else
to
add.
Thank
you
for
considering
both
sides.
I
think
on
one
hand,
we,
you
know
we
definitely
understand
the
principle
of
trying
to
put
sidewalks
in
whenever
available.
Because
of
you
know,
it
really
is
important
in
making
a
city
friendly
to
pedestrians
and
and
also
just
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
yeah
yeah.
V
I
think
that
that
the
concern
just
still
stands
that
because
of
we
know,
you
know
our
neighbors
to
the
west
and
east
quite
well,
and-
and
we
don't
see
any
you
know
redevelopment
happening
in
the
near
future,
and
so
I
think
the
signs
you
know
visually
speaking
are
kind
of
probably
our
biggest
yeah.
V
Our
biggest
concern
is
just
that,
but
but
also
you
know,
we
understand
why
you'd
want
to
put
in
a
sidewalk
as
well,
and
it
is
better
for
overall,
you
know
in
the
long
run,
so
it's
it's
a
tough
decision.
Z
B
L
C
B
F
I
would
invite
the
commissioners
to
look
at
the
overhead
shot
the
google
earth
and
you
will
see
between
north
arthur
and
36
burke,
bush
woody
38th,
pine
stacy
bush
bellamy.
F
All
those
houses
have
been
built
in
the
last
hundred
years
and
every
almost
all
of
them
were
built
without
sidewalks,
because
previous
commissions
and
councils
went
through
the
exact
same
calculus
that
we
just
went
through.
So
if
we
don't
require
sidewalks
where
we
can,
they
will
never
be
there.
This
is
not
a
20-year
problem.
This
is
a
hundred
hundred
and
fifty
year
problem
you're.
Looking
at
this
neighborhood,
there's
no
good
reason
not
to
put
in
this
sidewalk
it
doesn't
it's
not
unusually
expensive.
F
It's
not
hard
to
put
in
we've
heard
testimony
that
if
they
put
a
little
bit
of
gravel
curbing
or
smoothing
at
the
edges,
they
don't
even
need
to
have
a
sign
from
achd
and
frankly,
if
it
doesn't
connect
anything
for
20
years.
I'm
fine
with
that.
The
things
we
do
now
last
100
years.
Look
at
this
look
at
this
slide.
F
Look
at
this
page
of
the
development
where
there's
sidewalks
and
where
there's
not
so
I
just
think
it's
undisputed
by
the
city,
this
commission
and
the
council
that
sidewalks
are
an
unambiguously
good
thing,
so
I'm
never
gonna
support
not
putting
them
in
on
flat
dry
ground
where
they
fit
for
a
couple
thousand
bucks.
That
just
makes
no
sense
to
me
in
the
long
run
for
our
city.
So
that's
where
I'm
at.
I
Yeah,
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
the
motion
as
well.
I
think
the
bigger
picture
here
is
the
goal
of
the
pedestrian
connectivity
as
development
continues
and
the
parcels
are
updated.
I
think
eventually,
we'll
see
a
continuous
pattern
of
improvement
on
to
the
pedestrian
connectivity,
regardless
of
whether
it's
through
development
or
achd
projects,
but
I'm
with
commissioner
gillespie
on.
B
E
Mr
chair,
commissioner
blanchard
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
don't
see
anything
to
be
gained
by
putting
in
90
feet
of
sidewalk
in
a
neighborhood
that
has
sidewalks
across
the
street.
You
know
I
live
here
on
the
bench.
E
It's
exactly
the
same
way
on
my
side
of
the
street,
there's
absolutely
no
curb
and
gutter
and
sidewalk
on
one
side,
the
other
side's
all
improved,
just
there's
nothing
to
be
gained
here
by
making
this
homeowner
spend
that
money
so-
and
I
think
it's
a
this-
is
exactly
the
kind
of
infill
project
that
we're
looking
for
in
these
kind
of
neighborhoods,
and
so
I'm
supportive
of
it.
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
sound
off
real
quick
on
this
too.
I'm
definitely
in
support
of
the
project.
I
see
no
issues
with
the
split
or
the
additional
house.
It
looks
like
to
me
that
the
land
where
the
new
house
is
going
to
be
going
is
quite
underutilized,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
infill
opportunity.
B
B
B
U
Or
mr
chair,
I
I
totally
agree
especially
knowing
you
know
the
concerns
with
the
sign
if
we
can
actually
grade
it
to
to
the
point
where
it
can
be
used
in
conjunction
with
that,
the
gravel
frontage.
U
I
think
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
signage
issues
are
kind
of
remediated
in
that
respect,
and
I
totally
agree
and
but
otherwise
I
absolutely
support
the
the
project
as
a
whole
to
create
infill
development.
But
I
think
you
know
if
you
can
remediate.
The
sign
issue
then
make
sense.
L
Mr
chair,
yes,
so
just
some
procedural
stuff
well,
first
of
all,
there
is
some
precedent.
Sos
20-3
was
was
one
case
where
we,
where
we
did
something
similar
back
in
may,
but
I
want
to
caution.
L
One
of
the
things
I
just
want
to
say
here
is:
if,
if
for
whatever
reason
that
motion
is
voted
down
a
question,
do
we
then
have
to
remove
have
another
motion
to
approve
the
project?
In
other
words,
I
think
every
it
sounds
like
everybody
here
wants
to
see
this
development
go
forward,
we're
just
at
odds
about
the
sidewalk,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
from
a
procedural
perspective,
we're
not
throwing
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater.
Here.
B
Well,
probably,
the
cleanest
thing
we
can
do
is
to
go
ahead
and
make
them
to
take
the
vote,
see
if
we
have
a
pass
or
fail
and
then,
if
it
fails,
I
think
we
can
reevaluate
okay,
all
right
thanks
staff,
okay.
So
unless
there's
any
other
comment,
we'll
go
ahead
and
call
the
vote
right
now
and
we'll
see
where,
where
things
lie.
E
F
H
I
B
D
C
E
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
staff
with
that
that
takes
care
of
all
of
our
new
business
this
evening.
If
everyone
can
hang
on
for
one
minute,
I
believe
we
have
a
announcement
from
staff.
A
Yes,
commissioners,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
quick
announcement
that
leon
lutzen
will
be
transitioning
to
our
grow.
Our
housing
manager,
I
believe,
is
the
official
title
here
in
a
couple
weeks,
so
we
will
get
the
pleasure
to
see
his
face
virtually
or
physically,
I'm
not
sure
one
more
time
on
august
3rd,
and
then
we
likely
won't
see
him
again
so
best
wishes
leon.
Y
It's
it's
focused
on
city
housing.
Housing
projects
that
are
initiated
or
supported
by
the
city
is
one
aspect
of
it,
but
also
pretty
much
anything
housing
focus
that
the
city
wants
to
be
involved
with
I'll,
be
a
part
of
that
discussion.
So
you
may
see
me
as
potentially
an
applicant
representing
a
project
in
the
future
or
someone
submitting
a
recommendation.
We're
still
nailing
all
that
down,
but
it's
it's
just
housing
focused
for
me
moving
forward
so.