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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission - 6/8/2020
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A
A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
virtual
and
our
sorry,
hybrid
Boise,
City
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
for
the
good
of
the
order.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
has
automatically
been
muted
and
cannot
speak
if
they've
joined
virtually
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted.
We
will
ask
if
you
have
slides
to
share
if
you
can
use
the
planner
slides
for
your
visuals.
A
If
you
have
your
own
slides,
your
role
changed
to
panelist,
and
this
may
log
you
out
for
a
moment
and
log
you
back
in
and
then
you'll
have
the
capabilities
to
share
your
screen,
the
quick
overview
for
zoom
as
they
are
different,
depending
on
which
device
you're
on
if
you're
on
a
smart
phone
you'll
be
limited
to
only
speaking
and
sharing
your
camera.
If
you're
on
a
computer,
you
can
share
your
webcam
if
you
have
one
or
your
screen
want
to
call
the
pond.
A
Some
laptops
might
not
have
microphone
capabilities
if
you
wish
to
speak
over
the
phone,
but
watch
on
your
computer.
The
phone
number
for
the
hearing
is
listed
on
the
email
you
received
when
registering
for
tonight's
hearing,
for
both
smart
phone
and
computer
participation.
There
are
controls
on
a
bottom
of
zoom
to
virtually
raise
your
hand
when
you
wish
to
speak
on
the
item
you're
interested
in
if
you're
attending
on
the
phone
with
no
visual
capabilities,
you
can
raise
your
hand
virtually
by
typing
in
star
nine
again,
that's
star
nine.
A
A
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
the
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
Apple,
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
Neighborhood
Association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
Commission.
After
that,
we
purchase
heed
to
the
in-person
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
signed
up
on
the
electronic
signup
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
in
person
and
then
we'll
do
that.
The
same
way
for
virtual
attendees,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
three
minutes
for
testimony,
and
we
will
stop
you
at
that
three
minutes.
A
B
You
we
are
citizen,
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
City
Council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
conditional
use,
permits,
variances
and
appeals
and
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
on
subdivisions,
razones,
annexations
and
code
or
comprehensive,
planned
amendments.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
but
appealed
to
the
City
Council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
ten
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
that
you
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
B
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
That
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
in
the
order
just
detail
a
few
minutes
ago
with
staff
applicant,
Neighborhood,
Association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
tonight
and
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
A
A
E
D
B
Okay,
without
objection
from
the
Commission,
we
will
place
the
March,
2nd
2020
and
the
March
9th
2020
meeting
minutes
on
the
consent
agenda
and
then
the
first
item
for
consideration
is
item
a
which
is
CP
1793
and
CVA
1776
Broad,
Street
properties.
This
is
a
time
extension
at
4:06,
South,
5th
Street,
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
height
exception,
is
the
applicant
present.
If
your
present
virtually
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
G
B
And
is
there
anybody
present
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this
item
tonight?
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
do
so
in
person
here.
B
Okay,
seeing
no
hands
raised,
we
will
place
item
a
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
one:
pewdie
2017
sean
Overmeyer
at
two
three
one,
six
south
Phillip
Phillip
East
Street
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
is
the
applicant
present
tonight.
B
H
B
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
place
number
one
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
two
SOS
20-14
caldera
Capital
LLC
at
24:05,
East,
Warm,
Springs
Avenue.
This
is
a
waiver
to
the
subdivision.
Ordinance
is
the
applicant
present
great
I,
see
a
hand
virtually
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Yes,
I
am
great.
She
is
in
the
agreement
and
is
there
anybody
present
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this
item.
B
Okay,
seeing
none
we
will
place
item
two
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
in
the
last
item
for
consideration
of
the
consent
agenda
is
item
number
three.
This
is
PUD
2016
Elder
LLC
at
1011,
South,
Orchard
Street
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
is
the
applicant
present.
I
B
B
B
Okay:
okay,
we
can.
We
cannot
answer
your
questions,
but
the
applicant
may
have
the
opportunity
we'll
have
the
opportunity,
if
they'd
like
to
to
to
answer
those
questions
for
you
after
your
testimony,
so
we
will
not
place
item
three
on
the
consent
agenda.
Okay
and
then
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion.
Madam.
I
L
M
D
L
B
C
Madam
chair
commissioners,
the
first
item
on
tonight
is
a
request
for
preliminary
and
final
plat
on
ten
point:
six:
nine
acres
in
SPO
one
zone,
the
residential
subdivision,
is
comprised
of
one
common
in
two
buildable
Lots.
The
proposed
Lots
comply
with
the
dimensional
standards
of
the
SPO
one
zone
in
the
Harris
Ranch
specific
plan.
Here's
the
Harris
ranch
specific
plan
designates
the
site
as
mixed-use
commercial
and
high
density
residential.
The
proposed
street
layout
matches
the
circulation
plan
for
the
area.
C
The
proposed
lot
layout
of
the
Eastern
Block
one
will
comply
with
these
block
prototypes,
which
show
a
village
center
block
with
neighborhood
retail,
commercial
or
residential
on
the
first
floor
and
office
or
residential
above
the
applicant
proposes
to
extend
wise
way.
Haystack
Street
trail
would
way
an
old
hickory
way,
future
roundabouts
at
wise
way
and
Old
Hickory
ways
intersections
with
Warm
Springs
will
be
constructed
once
traffic
counts
warrant
construction,
eventually
an
if
warranted.
The
specific
plan
has
Warm
Springs
Ave,
planned
as
a
four-lane
arterial
roadway
with
two
lane
wide
roundabouts
at
each
intersection.
C
However,
it
was
determined
that
no
improvements
to
Warm
Springs
Ave
are
the
intersections
of
be
needed.
At
this
time,
a
CH
D
required
additional
right-of-way
be
dedicated
to
accommodate
the
future
construction
of
these
dual
lane.
Roundabouts,
as
mentioned
in
the
project
report
by
our
Valley
Neighborhood
Association,
and
several
neighbors,
have
concerns
with
the
expansion
of
Warm
Springs
to
four
lanes.
Sub
1956
referenced
was
approved
at
City
Council
on
June,
2nd
2020
direction
was
given
to
staff
to
research.
C
The
process
in
which
the
specific
plan
could
be
amended
to
reduce
warm
spring
from
five
lanes
to
three
lanes.
Currently,
the
closest
north-south
pedestrian
connection
shown
what
the
yellow
stars
here
across
Warm
Springs
have.
As
the
rapid
flashing
beacon
at
the
entrance
to
Marion
Williams
Park
217
feet
to
the
west
of
the
site.
An
additional
RFP
has
been
approved
to
the
east
at
Mill
Brook
Way
has
covered
in
the
lake
correspondence.
C
The
applicant
has
proposed
an
RFP
at
Old
Hickory
Way
in
Warm
Springs
Ave,
which
was
not
reviewed
by
a
chg
similar
to
the
efforts
on
Warm
Springs.
The
applicant
will
continue
to
work
with
a
CHD
to
undertake
the
appropriate
warrant
study
attempt
to
gain
permission
to
put
an
RFP
at
Old
Hickory
way
and
Warm
Springs
off
within
a
CHD
right-of-way.
C
This
will
place
our
RFP
is
at
all
future
roundabouts,
creating
consistent,
spacing
and
streetscape
along
Warm
Springs
regarding
the
neighbors
school
capacity
and
bicycle
route
concerns
the
Boise
School
District
reviewed
the
project
no
concerns
at
this
time.
Only
a
preliminary
and
final
plot
is
before
the
Commission
in
order
to
create
the
proposed
Lots
and
to
continue
to
extend
right-of-way.
The
youths
and
density
of
the
site
has
been
established
by
the
adopted
Harris
Ranch
specific
plan
has
a
future
school
site
within
Harris
ranches
play
planned
out.
C
N
This
is
the
haystack
subdivision
number
one
and,
as
we
start
tonight,
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
project.
I
know
that
not
all
of
the
commissioners
have
have
been
around
Harris
Ranch
as
much
and
so
I
thought
it
might
be
a
little
bit
helpful
to
describe
where
we
are
in
the
process
and
kind
of
how
we
got
here
so
Harris
ranch,
of
course,
is
Boise
City's.
N
First
specific
plan
district
back
in
2007
Harris
Ranch
was
approved
after
years
of
charettes
and
public
hearings
and
discussions
and
compromises
and
we're
now
13
years
into
the
project
as
a
specific
plan.
It
operates
with
its
own
zoning
code.
So
this
is
a
depiction
from
our
SPO
one
manual.
It
shows
the
entire
development
with
each
block
shaded.
According
to
the
type
of
use,
that's
permitted
the
first
several
years
of
the
project
or
focused
north
of
East
Park
Center.
N
N
N
So
with
regard
to
the
application,
that's
actually
before
you
as
Nicolette
mentioned.
This
is
a
preliminary
and
final
plat
application
for
the
two
Lots
on
ten
point,
six
nine
acres
I
want
to
be
clear
that
this
does
fully
conform
with
SPO
one.
This
is
not
a
new
proposal
for
new
units.
This
is
within
the
units
that
were
approved
with
for
SPO
one
back
in
2007,
AC
HD,
the
city
schools.
N
They
all
approved
SPO
one
with
that
specify
number
of
units,
and
this
does
not
represent
a
change
and
I'll
conclude
just
by
saying
that
the
applicants
in
full
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
We
also
want
to
say
that
we
appreciate
the
interaction
that
we
continue
to
have
with
Barbour
Valley
neighborhood
association
and
their
support
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
at
this
time.
B
O
Madam
chair
commissioners,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
great
I
think
Nicolette
has
has
our
short
slide
deck
for
the
record.
This
is
John
Mooney,
Barbara,
Barbara,
Valley,
neighborhood
association,
seven,
one
five,
three
East
Highland
Valley
Road
and,
as
you
saw
our
late
correspondence,
we're
in
full
support
and
and
as
he
said,
this
is
a
very
collaborative
effort
between
the
applicant
and
the
neighborhood.
So
I
just
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
run
through
a
few,
the
neighborhood
perspectives
that
Heath
didn't
cover
the
next
slide.
Please
Thanks.
O
The
point
here
is
sc7
to
school,
which
isn't
obviously
in
your
purview
tonight.
The
village
centers,
the
TC,
8
and
9
and
mixed-use
commercial
is
the
Purple's
they're
in
the
middle.
So
SW,
12
and
13
are
big,
big
chunks
of
Harris
Ranch
and
we're
real
excited
about
this
SC
5
down
the
right-hand
corner.
We
testified
before
you
in
April
and
hope
to
make
the
points
that
we
were
finally
able
to
make
at
Council
last
week
next
slide,
and
that
was
regarding
the
amendment
7,
which
was
adopted
last
year.
O
But
what
also
came
out
of
that
in
the
applicant
is
great
about
dealing
with
this,
as
we
really
want
to
tackle
the
master
Street
map
and
the
future
of
warm
shrink,
which
also
is
not
in
the
scope
of
this,
but
we've
been
scratching.
Our
heads
throughout
this
process
is
how
do
we?
How
do
we
interact
with
this
and
get
another
amendment
to
the
specific
plan?
As
you
can
see
on
this
slide,
it's
a
two-lane
Parkway
with
the
dual
lane
roundabouts,
which
we
believe
is
going
to
be
a
big
problem
for
the
neighborhood
down
the
road.
O
As
the
bullets
in
the
bottom-left
show,
we
had
strong
neighborhood
support
to
change
this,
to
a
single
lane,
Parkway
with
a
single
lane
roundabouts,
and
that
resulted
in
a
number
of
letters
to
City
Council
for
the
hearing
last
week,
which
then
resulted,
as
you
saw
in
the
lake
correspondence,
with
direction
from
Council
to
staff
to
to
begin
this
process
next
slide.
Please
we
support
this,
obviously,
and
second
bullets.
There
is
just
kind
of
why
we're
going
over
this
again
with
you
is,
we
don't
know
any
other
way
to
kind
of
tackle?
O
How
do
we
start
an
amendment
from
out
of
the
public?
If
we
see
something
that
needs
a
attention,
we
believe
the
two-lane
Parkway,
the
dual
Lane
will
adversely
impact
the
connectivity
to
and
from
this
subdivision,
as
well
as
obviously
the
Harris
Ranch
tramptown
Center,
the
single
lane
Parkway
will
greatly
benefit
all
the
vulnerable
road
users
because
it
will
ease
the
crossing
of
Warm
Springs
in
the
future
and
obviously
also
support
the
connectivity
goals
in
the
comp
plan
next
slide.
O
O
As
you
can
see,
there's
the
bike
lanes
are
going
to
come
off
of
those
two
traffic
circles
and
be
an
issue.
The
cross-section
next
slide
for
that
highlighted
area.
As
you
can
see,
there's
11
foot
traffic
lane
8
feet
of
parking
and
then
a
wide
sidewalk.
So,
as
I
said
before
a
bicyclist,
that's
going
to
go
down
that
street
from
this
subdivision
to
get
to
the
town
center
or
the
new
school
is
going
to
be
either
in
the
track
vehicle
lane,
11
foot
vehicle
lane
or
on
the
sidewalk
next
slide.
O
So
our
request
is
obviously
prove
this
plat
and-
and
please
continue
to
emphasize
the
need
for
an
amendment,
because
obviously
it
works
not
been
done
yet
and
until
it's
done
it's
going
to
be
an
outstanding
concern
of
the
neighborhood
next
slide.
Our
next
build
I
think
that's
it.
We
talked
about
this
already
next
bullet
I.
Think
that's
the
end
of
it.
Many
thanks
because
that
late
correspondence
we
were
unaware.
The
fact
that
the
applicant
also
volunteered
to
put
this
RFP
in
Hickory
way
in
Warm
Springs
and
that's
outstanding.
O
We
are,
there
is
a
kind
of
a
disconnect.
The
the
wise
way
Crossing
is
an
RF,
be
a
red.
Flasher
brings
traffic
to
a
stop,
whereas
Hickory
and
Mill
Brook
the
next
to
turn
circles.
Roundabouts
will
be
our
RFPs,
which
is
flashing,
yellow
lights.
So
there
is
kind
of
a
traffic
question
there
till
we
need
to
baby
solve
down
the
road.
I
think
that's
it
next
slide.
Nicolette.
O
B
K
C
K
P
L
With
that
incitement
to
speak
from
Nicolette
I
will
simply
put
on
the
record
dropping
you
know
putting
putting
warm
strings
on
it
on
a
diet
through
there,
which
is
what
I
think
the
B
VNA
wants
to
do
seems
like
an
idea
of
really
really
worth
considering.
I.
Think
it's
going
from
four
lanes
to
three,
and
presumably
using
that
extra
space
to
create
dedicated
bike
lanes
is
I.
L
I,
don't
have
I'm
sort
of
agnostic
as
to
it,
whether
it
flashes,
yellow
or
red
I'll
defer
to
people
who
understand
that
better,
but
I
think
we
do
want
to
have
really
great
pedestrian
connectivity
through
those
roundabouts
and
if
they
were
to
lane
roundabouts
instead
of
three
and
if
they
have
the
right
pedestrian
signals
instead
of
the
wrong
ones.
That's
that's
better!
So
I'm
on
the
record
there
Nicolette
for
for
supporting
those
those
initiatives
but
I'm
not
hearing
that
it
requires
the
change
of
any
motion
or
you
know
any
change
in
our
findings.
L
L
B
B
B
N
You
Madame
chair
just
briefly
with
regard
to
the
flasher
you
are,
our
intent,
is
to
request
a
rectangular
rapid
flashing
beacon,
the
yellow
type.
We
think
that
that's
gonna
have
more
likelihood
of
success,
and
so
that's
the
that's
the
direction
that
we're
planning
to
go
there
with
regard
to
the
Warm
Springs
bypass,
we,
you
know,
we've
been
talking
to
BBN
a
about
that
for
quite
a
while
at
this
point,
and
we
you
know,
appreciate
the
the
work
they've
done
on
that
we
we
look
forward
to
continuing
to
engage
in
that.
N
That
is
a
separate
process
from
what
we're
doing
tonight
and
so
I
think
the
Commissioner
Gillespie's
description
of
the
the
P
and
Z's
intent
that
this
should
be
something
that
explored
further
I,
think
that's
adequate
and
appropriate
that
it
was
processed.
That
way
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
you
might
have.
B
Thank
you
at
this
point,
we'll
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing,
and
the
item
is
before
the
Commission.
D
B
L
L
P
K
Think
the
staff
report
adequately
adequately
sums
up
the
project
in
the
application
I'm
in
full
support
and
I
will
second
Commissioner
Kallas
piece
previous
comments
in
regards
to
the
RFPs,
which
other,
whichever
color
is
most
appropriate.
We'll
leave
that
to
the
experts
and
also
I'm
in
support
of
additional
study
of
reducing
Warm
Springs
down
to
a
single.
D
A
B
Q
B
Q
Q
Q
All
right
sharing
rooms
of
commission.
The
item
before
you
is
an
8
unit,
Multi
Family,
Planning
and
Development
located
1110
South
Orchard
Street
in
an
LOD
Zone
located
on
the
west
side
of
Orchard
Street
between
Kootenay,
Street
and
Camus
uses
in
the
surrounding
area
include
varying
densities
of
residential
to
the
north
and
east
and
offices,
and
parking
lots
to
the
south
and
west
kasia
Park
is
located.
1/4
of
a
mile
to
the
northeast
transit
stops
exist
on
the
at
the
intersection
of
orchard
and
Kootenai,
as
pictured
here.
Q
The
project
consists
of
need
unit,
multi-family,
building
arranged
at
a
townhome
style,
all
required
setbacks
have
been
met
or
exceeded.
Each
unit
has
an
oversized
single
car
garage
and
parking
available
on
the
driveway
apron
in
front
of
the
garage.
Private
patios
and
balconies
provide
the
100
square
feet
of
open
space
required
for
pew
tees
of
this
size.
The
project
will
be
access
to
the
orchard
street
as
a
recommended
condition
of
approval.
Q
A
cross
access
agreement
with
the
office
building
to
the
South
must
be
approved
by
the
city
and
recorded
prior
to
the
issuance
of
any
construction
permits
and
I'll
highlight
this
cross
access.
Drive
here
I'll
have
orchid
street
2.
In
fact,
if
we
go
back
and
look
at
the
larger
aerial,
there's
access
around
the
building
to
allow
exiting
on
the
Kootenay
street
as
well,
so
the
nature
of
that
agreement
will
be
to
have
access
along
the
entire
rear
of
the
building,
which
will
better
accommodate
emergency
service
and
solid
waste.
Pickup.
Q
Q
I
I
I
A
A
D
I
Q
L
L
D
B
G
Q
K
K
Q
D
Q
K
R
Q
A
D
B
Any
further
questions
from
the
Commission
thank
you
both
okay
and
seeing
then
before
I
just
wanted
quickly
before
we
move
on
to
the
public
comment.
I
just
wanted
to
check
to
see
if
we
had
any
representative
from
the
central
bench
Neighborhood
Association
here
tonight.
If
you
are
online,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
Okay,.
B
Seeing
none-
and
we
don't
have
anybody
on
the
sign-up
list,
please
anybody
that
would
like
to
testify.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
please
come
on
up
to
the
to
the
podium.
S
S
It's
a
two-story
building,
that's
an
alley
that
provides
driveway
to
the
back
of
that
property.
Are
they
going
to
improve
that
alley,
so
they
can
make
it
a
street
and
the
vehicle
to
be
able
to
go
in
and
out
of
that,
the
other
thing
is:
is
the
traffic
flow
right
there?
You
got
a
light
on
that
corner
of
orchard
and
Kootenay,
and
sometimes
it
can
be
a
hassle
getting
in
and
out.
B
B
T
Regarding
the
emergency
vehicles
and
we've
kind
of
created,
a
area
for
the
party
to
the
north.
Where
we've
given
them
a
little
bit
more
room
and
you
know
we're
not
encumbering
their
space
either,
but
we
did
send
out
and
the
neighborhood
notices
also
as
requested.
So
they
were
informed
of
the
hearing.
And
you
know
what
we're
doing.
B
L
As
we
knew
know
from
many
recent
hearings
and
from
reading
the
paper,
we
really
need
to
add
housing
units,
especially
in
that
part
of
the
city
I,
strongly
support
the
project.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
addition
to
that
part
of
Orchard
Street
and
it
sounds
like
the
applicant
has
done
a
good
job
of
working
with
the
neighbors
to
to
improve
the
access
or
maintain
the
access
for
everybody.
A
K
F
A
B
B
M
Before
use
a
request
for
the
annexation
of
nineteen
point,
six
acres,
located
at
nine
nine,
three
three
and
ten
one,
five
one
West
Victory
Road
with
an
r1,
be
single-family
residential
zoning.
The
conditional
use
permit
for
a
eighteen
point:
five
acre
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
sixty
seven
single-family
homes
and
a
preliminary
plat
comprised
of
67
buildable
Lots
and
six
common
Lots
is
included.
M
The
property
shown
here
in
red
is
located
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection
of
Victory
Road
and
Mitchell
Street
in
southwest
boise
property
is
located
within
the
Boise
City
area
of
impact
and
has
a
large
lot.
Land
use
designation,
cross
victory
Road
to
the
north
lies
neighborhood,
zoned,
r1,
B
and
to
the
east
is
a
smaller
neighborhood
with
an
r1.
A
zoning
designation
properties
to
the
south
and
west
remain
within
ADA
County,
with
a
southwest
community
residential
zoning.
M
All
surrounding
properties
consist
of
a
single-family
residential
neighborhoods
of
varying
levels
of
density.
As
you
can
see
here,
Lots
the
North
generally
are
in
the
7,000.
A
10,000
square
foot
range
to
the
west
are
half
acre
Lots,
which
then
increase
in
sizes.
You
leave
areas
annexed
into
the
city
to
the
south
and
east
or
properly
properties
generally
are
around
an
acre.
There
are
two
existing
homes
identified
here
in
orange,
which
are
proposed
to
be
demolished,
while
the
existing
home
in
the
southwest
corner
is
proposed
to
remain
and
be
incorporated
incorporated
into
the
new
development.
M
The
is
accessed
off
Mitchell
Street,
with
pedestrian
and
emergency
connections
out
to
Victory
Road
and
has
a
density
of
3.6
one
units
per
acre
below
the
4.8
units
per
acre
allowed
in
the
r1b
zone.
As
you
could
see
on
the
plat
here,
smaller
Lots
are
proposed
along
Victory,
Road
and
generally
increase
in
size
towards
the
south
and
west.
M
This
table
here
at
the
bottom
shows
the
dimensional
standards
associated
with
the
requested
r1b
zoning
and
then
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
with
their
PUD
application,
as
you
can
see,
minimum
lot
areas
and
widths,
as
well
as
interior
and
rear
setbacks,
are
all
requested
to
be
reduced.
The
14
homes,
long
in
the
southern
boundary
shown
here
highlighted
in
blue,
are
all
requested.
Excuse
me
are
proposed
to
retain
the
typical
dimensional
standards
of
the
r1b
zone,
except
for
reduced
interior
side
setbacks
of
15
feet.
M
The
planning
team
is
generally
supportive
of
these
overall
reductions,
with
one
recommended
condition
of
approval
to
limit
any
homes
built
on
the
14
southern
Lots
to
a
single-story.
If
they
do
utilize
less
than
a
10-foot
interior
side
setbacks
typical
of
the
r1b
zone,
this
would
retain
building
patterns
more
consistent
with
the
large
lot
land
use
designation,
as
well
as
provide
an
appropriate
transition
to
neighborhood
to
the
south.
M
The
primary
amenity
provided
to
the
subdivision,
besides
drought,
tolerant
plantings,
is
this
central
common
lock,
which
is
just
a
bit
less
than
an
acre
in
size
and
situated
around
an
existing
open
pond
proposed
improvements
include
a
gravel,
walking
path,
seating
areas
in
a
boulder
play
area.
This
amenity
does
a
good
job
in
preserving
existing
natural
features
and
provides
for
a
shared
open
space
for
residents.
Both
items
which
are
called
for
in
the
large
lot
land
use
designation.
We
do
recommend
that
to
improve
and
increase
the
usability
of
this
amenity,
a
couple
modifications
be
made.
M
These
include
reconfiguring
the
layout
of
the
lot
to
include
in
an
ad
a
accessible
walking
path
on
both
the
east
and
west
sides
of
the
pond
to
create
a
walkable
loop
for
residents,
potentially
along
lines
of
what's
shown
here
in
red.
It
is
recommended
that
this
path
be
buffered
on
either
side
by
a
minimum
of
8
feet
of
clearance
between
the
pond
and
any
property
lines
to
allow
for
the
planting
of
additional
trees,
or
preferably
the
retention
of
existing
trees.
M
So
speaking
in
trees,
as
you
can
see,
this
aerial,
the
property
does
have
a
significant
number
of
mature
trees
on
it.
Well,
no
tree
mitigation
plan
has
been
submitted.
The
applicant
has
provided
a
breakdown
of
how
many
trees
they
anticipate
removing
with
this
development
development,
as
well
as
how
many
new
trees
will
be
planted.
So
first
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
retain
the
trees
along
the
southern
property
line
to
buffer
the
existing
homes
from
this
new
development.
M
This
is
fully
supported
by
the
planning
team
as
and
is
an
included
condition
of
approval.
Another
recommended
condition
of
approval
that
will
increase
the
number
of
new
trees
is
detaching.
The
internal
sidewalks
within
development.
This
should
add
an
estimated
70
or
so
new
trees,
as
well
as
having
an
added
benefit
of
increased
pedestrian
safety.
As
detailed
in
the
project
report,
the
total
number
of
trees
is
proposed
to
increase
over
the
number
of
existing
trees
now
on
the
property.
M
So
to
verify
these
numbers,
a
recommended
condition
of
approval
includes
the
submit
all
of
a
tree
mitigation
plan
for
review
and
approval
prior
to
the
issuance
of
any
grading
permits.
You
notice
this
condition
was
inverted
Lee
left
out
of
the
project
report.
So
if
you
agree
that
it
is
appropriate
here,
you
will
have
to
include
it
in
any
motion
this
evening.
M
The
planning
team
has
received
a
significant
number
of
comments
on
this
project,
since
it
was
originally
submitted
in
February
in
general.
These
comments
focused
on
the
density
of
the
development
impacts
to
local
roadways
and
effects
to
the
irrigation
and
drainage
facilities
on
the
site,
as
well
as
the
preservation
of
rural,
open
space
and
the
to
potentially
historic
buildings.
These
items
were
all
included
in
your
project
packet
and
make
correspondence
and
I'm
sure
you'll
hear
about
them
more
in
depth
from
those
in
attendance
this
evening.
M
In
conclusion,
as
detailed
in
the
project
report
and
highlighted
in
this
presentation,
the
planning
team
finds
the
applicants
proposal
to
be
consistent
with
the
standards
of
approval,
including
the
development
code,
blueprint,
Boise
and
requirements
of
all
reviewing
agencies
and
apartments.
As
such,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
applications
with
conditions
for
your
reference
here.
I've
included
that
recommending
condition
related
to
the
tree
mitigation
as
well
for
peds,
the
Commission
is
that
a
decision-making
body
and
for
annexations
and
subdivision
it
is
the
recommending
body
to
City
Council.
Thank
you.
I'll
stand
for
any
questions,
Thank.
B
N
Everybody
I
hope
you
missed
me
over
the
last
10
minutes,
so
Heath
Clark,
251,
East,
Front,
Street,
representing
the
applicant
and
the
Congress
Crean
share
here
and
walk
through
our
project.
So
it
is
everyone
on
screen
up
great.
Thank
you,
so
we're
here
tonight
to
talk
about
the
proposed
music
community,
which
we
would
like
to
develop
on
20
acres,
located
at
Victory
Road
in
Mitchell,
the
community
will
include
67
residential
units
for
a
density
of
3.6
one
units
per
acre,
while
all
required
connectivity
is
provided.
N
N
Another
item
that
I
want
to
point
out
and
that
we'll
come
back
to
through
the
course
of
the
project
or
the
discussion
tonight,
is
the
pond
in
the
center
area
of
the
project
that
Kevin
described
to
you.
I
want
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
highlights
and
then
circle
back
on
some
items
that
have
been
raised
by
members
of
the
public.
So
first
we'll
talk
about
some
of
the
design
themes.
This
is
very
much
not
a
cookie
cutter
type
subdivision.
N
There's
been
a
lot
of
putting
into
that
through
the
course
of
conversations
with
the
seller,
which
includes
the
Dunkley
family
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
that's
where
the
name
of
the
project
comes
from.
In
addition,
we've
talked
about
I'll
talk
about
some
of
the
amenities
talk
about
the
transition,
that's
been
proposed
here
and
then
we'll
talk
about
the
trees
as
Kevin
mentioned.
N
So
first,
let's
look
at
the
theme
of
the
project.
The
the
project
will
have
a
distinct
look
to
it,
one
of
our
sellers
again,
the
Dunc
lease
will
be
residing
here
and
will
be
remaining
in
their
in
their
own
in
their
existing
home.
So
there's
a
lot
of
thought.
That's
been
put
into
what
this
neighborhoods
gonna
look
like.
While
they
continue
to
live
there,
we
identified
with
them.
N
What
they
would
like
to
see,
and
that
is
a
condition
of
our
sale-
is
a
requirement
that
the
product
have
this
modern
farmhouse
type
of
look
one
thing
I'll
point
out,
and
this
was
an
error
in
the
application
materials.
There
is
no
three
story
product
that's
proposed.
It
is
only
two
story
products,
but
this
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
the
project
will
look
like
through
its
development.
N
Next,
with
regard
to
community
amenities,
we
do
have
12.9%
landscaped,
open
space.
Common
areas
are
going
to
use
drought,
tolerant
plantings
and
water
conserving
sprinkler
design.
The
type
of
sprinkler
design
that
we
use
will
results
in
thirty
to
forty
percent.
Less
water
use.
A
major
element
of
the
project
is
the
retention
of
the
existing
pond.
N
N
So
as
as
Kevin
mentioned,
we
do,
we
did
try
to
layout
our
largest
Lots
on
the
south
side
of
the
project.
With
the
goal
of
aligning
the
lot
lines,
and
then
we
increase
the
density
to
the
north
as
you
reach
up
to
the
victory
minor
arterial
and
the
boundary
of
the
large
lot
and
suburban
comprehensive
plan
designations.
The
choice
of
Zoning
our
1b
is
part
of
that
overall
transition
plan,
as
staff
is
mentioned,
our
1b
is
a
permitted
zone
within
the
large
lot
designation.
N
It
also
matches
the
zoning
designation
of
the
property
immediately
to
the
north
or
again
talking
about
property,
also,
that
is
on
a
significant
transportation
corridor.
So
we
think
that
the
choice
of
an
r1,
B
designation
and
the
density
which
is
within
our
1
B,
is
appropriate.
I
do
want
to
continue
this
transition
discussion
with
some
talk
about
the
southern
boundary
we've,
given
that
a
great
deal
of
thought
that
southern
boundary
has
a
subdivision
that
is
from
the
late
1960s.
N
N
In
addition,
several
of
those
homes
are
two-story
the
zoning
back.
There
is
our
SW,
which
means
they
have
a
25-foot
rear
setback.
Ours
is
larger,
with
a
30-foot
rear
setback,
as
Kevin
mentioned.
In
order
to
make
that
transition
continue
to
work.
We
are
proposing
to
keep
this
line
of
trees
in
place,
so
we
think
we've
done
a
pretty
admirable
job
of
trying
to
transition
from
this
county,
our
swf
into
this
custody
of
boise
subdivision
that
meets
the
city's
goals.
N
With
regard
to
trees,
we
have
engaged
an
arborist
to
review
the
trees
based
on
what
we've
seen
so
far.
We
expect
to
be
able
to
maintain
more
than
200
of
the
existing
trees.
As
was
mentioned,
the
trees
on
the
southern
boundary
are
also
intended
to
remain,
and
that's
also
true
of
the
trees
around
the
pond,
where,
where
it's
possible,
in
addition
to
that,
you
know,
as
you
know,
like
trees,
have
a
definite
life
span
in
order
to
bring
in
the
the
new
generation
as
it
were,
we
will
be
planning
are
a
number
of
new
trees.
N
N
So
let's
talk
about
some
of
the
concerns
in
the
neighbor
testimony,
I,
what
we
saw
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
density
and
I.
Think
I've
tried
to
address
that
already.
With
regard
to
the
discussions
about
transition,
the
other
items
that
we
saw
were
concerns
about
transportation
and
traffic
and
conversation
about
retaining
or
documenting
the
some
of
the
existing
halls.
So
with
regard
to
traffic,
a
CHD
has
reviewed
and
approved
this
project.
N
They
looked
at
some
of
the
neighbor
concerns
and,
for
example,
determined
that
there
was
no
signal
at
Victory,
Road
and
Mitchell
Street
and
I'll
also
point
out
that
the
applicant
did
not
request
and
was
not
granted
an
approach
on
the
Victory
Road,
the
minor
arterial.
The
only
access
which
is
appropriate
is
that
Mitchell.
N
In
addition,
the
applicants
required
agreed
to
the
required
mitigation,
including
dedication
of
ride,
away,
long
victory
and
the
addition
of
a
left
turn
lane
for
Mitchell
Street
to
Victory
Road.
So
we
believe
that
the
the
traffic
concerns
have
been
addressed
for
the
ACH
D
report
with
regard
to
the
existing
homes
on
the
site.
We
are
working
with
both
sellers
regarding
existing
homes,
so
the
Dunkley
home
is
going
to
remain
the
family's
gonna
stay
there
with
regard
to
the
other
homes.
N
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
two
structures
that
are
up
closer
to
Victory
Road.
Those
homes
are
unique,
but
they're,
not
historic,
and
we're
unable
to
retain
them
for
sale.
The
third
party's,
the
reasoning
for
that
is,
they
are
not
built
to
current
energy
or
electrical
codes,
and
there
are
structural
deficiencies
in
those
buildings.
N
But
that
said,
the
story
of
those
buildings
is
important
and
we're
taking
steps
to
honor
that
the
seller
of
that
property
continues
to
have
ties
to
the
the
family
that
built
those
homes,
and
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
seller
to
work
on
a
and
the
interpretive
plaque
to
be
developed
on
the
pond
pathway
to
hopefully
honor
some
of
that
and
then.
In
addition,
we
are
in
agreement
with
staffs
condition
to
allow
the
Idaho
State,
Historical,
Preservation
or
Idaho
State
Historical
Society,
to
come
in
and
to
document
the
buildings.
N
N
N
We
wouldn't
ask
this
in
a
in
a
through
situation,
but
in
this
case
we
think
that
five
feet
attached
sidewalks
are
appropriate.
It
permits
the
homeowners
to
have
larger
rear
yards,
in
other
words
it
requiring
detached,
doesn't,
in
our
view,
have
a
real
safety
impact
and
it
comes
at
the
cost
of
taking
away
and
what
could
be
in
additionally
feet
in
each
family's
backyard.
B
V
My
name
is
Marissa
Keith
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Southwest
state
economy,
Alliance
Neighborhood,
Association
and
I'm
at
32,
79,
South,
Cloverdale
Road
in
Boise,
madam
chair
of
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
serving
on
this
committee
and
being
here
tonight.
Sawako
would
first
like
to
have
on
record
that
we
object
to
this
meeting
format.
When
not
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
come
to
City
Hall
in
person
and
be
President
to
hearing,
if
not
able
to
participate
on
zoom'.
V
Some
people
have
been
restricted
to
written
comment
only
if
only
if
they
are
concerned
with
venturing
down
to
City
Hall
for
health
reasons
during
this
pandemic,
so
sawaki
is
requesting
the
following.
Should
this
development
be
approved,
we
would
like
the
zoning
to
be
Arwen
a
with
minimum
lot
sizes
of
20,000
square
feet.
This
area
is
designated
as
a
large
lot
on
the
future
land
mule
and
you
snap.
According
to
blueprint
boise
large,
a
lot
should
feature
homes
on
Lots,
ranging
from
1/2
to
1,
acre
insides,
typically
one
or
two
units
per
acre.
V
At
the
very
least,
the
majority
of
Lots
in
this
development
should
have
1/4
of
an
acre
or
ten
thousand.
Eight
hundred
and
ninety
square
feet
to
comply
with
the
Southwest
Comprehensive
Plan
1.7,
which
discusses
transition
to
quarter
acre
lots
abutting
existing
large
developments.
Southwest
Boise
has
thousands
of
small
lots
that
have
been
approved
and
not
yet
built.
This
developer
has
at
least
83
of
these
small
Lots,
already
approved
with
it
a
few
miles
of
here.
V
A
few
newer
subdivisions
provide
transitional
lot
sizes
and
fewer
still
offer
large
Lots,
which
is
a
desired
feature
for
many
people.
Sawako
maintains
that
larger
lot
sizes
will
be
more
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
Then,
will
this
current
plat
the
trees?
We
would
like
to
preserve
as
many
existing
trees
as
possible.
As
stated
on
page
38
of
the
Southwest
community
comprehensive
plan.
V
Removing
almost
all
of
these
trees
will
significantly
impact
the
tree
canopy
in
southwest
Boise.
It
will
destroy
bird
and
wildlife,
habitat,
reduce
shade,
increased
temperature
and
remove
soil
soil
stabilization
provide
providing
provided
by
root
systems.
Although
the
developer
has
agreed
to
plant
two
trees
per
lot,
most
of
the
hundred
and
you're
so
mature
trees
are
to
be
removed,
and
they
should
should
be
replaced
with
trees
of
substantial
size.
A
lot
of
HOAs
in
the
area
require
at
least
three
inch
caliper
trees
in
their
common
areas.
V
Additionally,
the
staff
states
that
the
trees
along
the
South
property
line
will
not
be
removed
by
the
developer.
However,
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
protection
so
that
the
new
homeowners
will
not
remove
those
lot
of
those
trees
once
they
move
into
the
new
homes.
The
condition
needs
to
hat
needs
to
transfer
to
the
new
new
homeowner
somehow,
and
it
needs
to
be
enforceable.
V
The
laterals
anaise
in
other
areas
of
Boise
has
been
a
lot
of
time
in
public
hearings.
Speaking
about
the
importance
of
keeping
laterals
day,
lighted
Boise
is
spending
time
and
money
to
open
up
waterways
that
were
buried
long
ago.
Laterals
create
micro,
climates
for
living
things,
watering
holes
for
wildlife,
preserve
the
agricultural
history
of
the
area
and
maintain
the
rural
characteristics
of
Southwest
Boise,
which
is
discussed
in
depth
in
blueprint,
Boise
swagga
requests
that
the
laterals
remain
open.
V
If
we
continue
to
allow
our
unique
original
properties
to
be
torn
down
at
the
current
rate,
these
two
houses
were
built
by
twin
sisters,
Eileen
Schreyer
and
Elaine
Allen
with
architect,
brothers
aren't
Noel
and
Lyle
cook.
They
were
built
using
local,
locally
sourced
building
materials,
some
of
which
the
sisters
collected
themselves.
I
included
several
articles
about
that
in
the
the
letter
that
swagat
provided
these
houses
do
not
enjoy
any
historical
preservation,
since
they
are
not
in
a
historical
district.
V
However,
that
doesn't
mean
that
something
cannot
be
done
to
protect
and
preserve
them
and
incorporate
them
into
the
current
development,
particularly
with
the
question
of
annexation.
In
reason,
the
current
owner
has
expressed
sass
wakka
that
saving
the
houses
would
financially
impact,
how
much
money
he
could
make
off
the
land.
Sale
Sawako
is
told
by
another
neighbor
that
he
would
rather
see
the
houses
burned
to
the
ground
before
they
were.
They
stay.
V
W
Appreciate
your
time
and
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
consider
our
concerns
about
this.
We
all
recognize
that
Boise
has
some
unique
character.
We
hear
about
the
foothills
we
care
about
Hyde
Park.
We
hear
about
the
Greenbelt,
but
those
of
us
who
live
in
southwest
Boise.
You
consider
that
our
own
little
gem-
and
we
don't
talk
about
it
because
we
like
it
the
way
it
is.
W
There
is
a
beautiful
part
of
this
community
that
is
unique
in
his
agricultural
nature
and
those
of
us
who
live
there
treasure
that
unique
aspect
of
it
before
I
go
any
further,
though,
as
a
matter
of
housekeeping
I
heard,
the
developers
say
that
he'd
made
a
make
mistake
in
the
application,
and
he
is
now
withdrawing
his
language
about
having
three-story
homes
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
record
was
clear
on
that.
He
is
in
fact
withdrawing
that
request
for
three-story
homes.
That
was
in
the
application.
We.
W
For
the
record,
because
it
would
be
a
shame
for
him
to
make
that
representation
to
you
now
and
then
come
back
later
and
say
it
was
in
my
original
application.
I
think
that
the
homeowners
there
would
take
a
lot
of
comfort
knowing
that
was
actually
made.
We
have
a
brief
PowerPoint
that
I'd
like
to
talk
about.
Do
you
know
how
that
started
as
a
PowerPoint
I
assist
mr.
Holmes?
W
For
just
there
you
go,
can
you
give
it
a
click,
so
this
started
out
with
when
we
started
as
in
a
neighborhood
group
meeting
and
talking
about
our
concerns
about
this?
Can
you
don't
worry
and
we
were
talking
about
what
their
actual
requests
were,
and
mr.
Holmes
I'm,
so
you're
gonna
have
to
click
a
little
faster
through
this?
This
part
was
originally
set
up
for
me
to
talk
through
it
and
again,
where
we
are
concerned
about
the
public
hearing
on
this
they're,
looking
for
basically
planned
community
sorry
planned.
W
Variances
they
wanted
a
change
in
zoning
and
they
wanted
annexation
to
Boise
from
what
is,
at
this
point,
in
Ada
County
property,
with
a
significant
number
of
homes
for
the
property
and
to
start
with
I
am
concerned
about
the
public
hearing
mr.
Dudley,
who
obviously
has
an
interest
in
being
here,
as
well
as
myself
as
a
board
member,
we're
both
here
and
we
walked
around
the
entire
to
the
building.
W
Trying
to
find
our
way
in
if
these
two
people
who
haven't
concerned
and
very
focused
interest
in
being
here
today,
couldn't
find
their
way
in
until
a
period
of
time
and
passed.
It
concerns
me
that
other
people
who
have
an
interest
can't
also
be
here
and
make
record
as
a
public
to
a
public
hearing
and
open
meeting
format.
There
is
provision
within
the
Boise
City
code
that
would
allow
you,
without
further
notice,
to
continue
this
and
I'm
asking
the
court.
W
Excuse
me
the
committee
to
do
this
at
this
time,
so
that
people
who
do
have
an
interest-
and
we
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
have
concerns.
We
have
a
very
large
petition
that
has
been
signed.
Have
an
opportunity
to
be
heard
on
this,
and
they
don't
have
to
worry
about
their
health
risks
or
technology
that
they
don't
have
access
to
or
the
ability
to
handle
and
so
I'm
asking
the
court
to.
Can
our
the
committee
to
consider
that
as
well?
Here
is
the
other
part.
W
I
would
like
you
to
actually
take
a
specific
consideration
of.
You
are
a
quasi
judicial
entity
as
I
understand
that
having
practiced
law
for
30
years,
this
means
you
can
make
factual
findings.
I
looked
through
the
Boise
City
Code
and
I
found
that
they
have
already
made
factual
findings
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Boise
regarding
mature
trees
and
I
cited
these
just
because
it's
easy
reference
for
you.
W
They
talked
about
establishing
maintaining
the
maximum
amount
of
canopy
coverage
provided
by
trees
for
their
functions
as
identified
as
part
of
this,
and
part
of
this.
That
I
thought
was
really
relevant.
Is
the
the
development
practice
were
to
encourage
site
and
utility
planning,
building
and
development
practices,
to
prevent
indiscriminate
removal
or
destruction
of
trees
and
avoid
unnecessary
disturbance
to
trees
within
the
city
and
area
of
impact.
W
W
Value
protection
costs,
property
values,
air
and
water,
quality,
reduction
of
adverse
impacts
and
Wildlife,
for
example,
all
of
us
who
live
as
I
do
along
this,
the
northern
border
of
Rome
Meadows.
We
look
at
over
there
trees
all
the
time,
including
my
own,
very
large,
maple
tree.
There
are
birds
of
prey
flying
through
there
we
see
Fox.
There
was
a
wild
turkey
on
my
front
porch.
Recently
we
have
peacocks
that
are
on
land
at
this
time.
Skunk
there
are,
there
is
one
of
our
neighbors
looking
at
a
heron
blue
heron,
rookery
issue.
W
That's
concerning
this
property.
We
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
wildlife.
The
reduction
of
all
these
trees,
not
just
the
ones
along
the
southern
border
of
this
property,
has
an
impact
in
the
entirety.
Excuse
me
in
the
entirety
of
this
area
here
and
I,
think
that
there
has
been
no
study
and
no
consideration
of
that
and
as
a
member
of
the
boards,
as
already
I
excuse
me,
the
chairman
board
has
already
told
you
there
is
no
protection
for
any
of
us.
If
the
developer
doesn't
remove
them.
There's
no
way
to
keep
us
from
doing
that.
W
For
me
personally,
I
have
concerns
about
this
because
I
know
of
an
existing
erosion
issue
that
is
not
being
addressed
by
any
of
the
plans
right
now.
This
is
the
the
proposed
development
here.
Can
you
one
more
one
more?
If
you
look
here
to
see
the
two
green
lines
there
show
were
there
irrigation
lines
that
currently
are
active?
They
were
active
as
late
as
last
Thursday
from
my
own
line
was
running
my
neighbor
and
I.
W
My
property
is
the
one
with
the
red
lines
near
it
that
our
water
runs
uphill
for
us
to
do
our
flood
irrigation.
There
is
a
grove
of
trees,
as
you
can
see
there
that
were
planted
for
soil
stabilization.
It
keeps
the
water,
because
this
is
on
a
grade
running
downhill
toward
the
property.
That's
proposed.
It
keeps
it
from
running
away.
There
are
a
number
of
these
trees
they're
playing
along
laterals
in
other
places,
with
very
developed
root
system
developed
plant
canopies
that
are
meant
there
to
keep
the
soil
stable.
W
I
have
not
seen
anything
that
is
going
to
tell
us
what
exactly
is
going
to
go
on
when
my
property
lets
the
water
go
over.
On
the
other
side,
there
has
been
no
identification
of
what
the
irrigation
problem
is,
how
they're
going
to
mitigate
that
or
what
the
concern
is.
If
you
look
for
the
red
arrows
are
sorry,
I
have
to
turn
my
head,
so
I
can
see
that
sorry.
W
Just
Longhurst
ninety
nine
hundred
row
meadows,
if
you'll
look
my
property
after
flood
irrigation
goes
downhill.
It
goes
under
my
neighbor's
property,
which
is
on
random
prone
meadows.
Mr.
Aaron's
property,
which
is
part
of
the
subject
of
this
land,
also
goes
to
the
neighbor's
property
and
then
goes
off
to
another
lateral
and
goes
down.
There's
already
been
litigation.
We've
retained,
counsel
we've
had
problems
with
this,
because
the
neighbor
has
modified
where
the
lateral
goes
in
where
the
water
egress
is,
and
there
has
been
erosion
issues
that
have
been
greatly
concerning
to
mr.
W
Aryan
to
myself.
That
matter
has
not
been
addressed.
If
you
look
to
the
side,
this
is
Google
Maps.
This
is
nothing
that
any
one
of
you
couldn't
do.
Mr.
Landon's
property
is
flooding.
He
attributes
it
to
several
things.
There
has
been
a
hydrologist
study
related
to
this.
One
of
the
suggestions
is
that
the
diamante
subdivision,
which
is
directly
across
Mitchell
from
here,
was
not
properly
drained
as
it
comes
down
Mitchell
and
that's,
causing
the
flooding
issue.
W
W
It
basically
said
we
need
to
have
clarification
and
details
in
order
for
us
to
approve
that
I
haven't
seen
anything
that
allows
me
to
make
a
decision
or
to
retain
somebody
to
make
a
decision
on
my
behalf,
who
is
expert
that
this
isn't
going
to
cause
problems
for
me
the
way
this
has
been
proposed.
The
city
code
itself
talks
about
all
natural
drainage,
drainage
courses,
he'll
be
left
undisturbed
or
be
improved
in
a
manner,
but
that
will
improve
the
hydraulics.
I
haven't
seen
anything
other
than
we're
gonna.
Take
care
of
that
I.
W
Think
we
as
neighbors
to
this
property
have
a
right
to
know.
How
are
we
going
to
address
this?
Will
this
actually
be
an
improvement,
or
is
this
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
be
we're
gonna
spend
as
little
money
as
possible,
we're
gonna
get
this
result.
We're
gonna,
get
a
lot
of
people
in
these
houses
and
we're
going
to
move
I
think
we
have
no
the
ability
to
know
and
this
council
can
require
an
easement
under
the
boise
city
code.
W
B
You
that's
your
time,
thank
you.
So
now
we
will
move
on
to
questions
from
the
Commission
for
the
neighborhood,
the
staff
or
the
applicant.
Please.
X
M
Madam
chair
Commissioner
Squires,
so
the
the
irrigation
requirements
are
reviewed
under
the
Boise
project,
Board
of
Control,
and
so
we
do
have
a
letter
that
is
included
in
the
project
report
as
a
condition
that
they
have
to
follow
all
of
their
requirements,
and
it
does
state
that
all
drainage
and
existing
irrigation
facilities
do
have
to
be
maintained
and
if
it
needs
to
be
put
in
place,
it
needs
to
be
put
in
place.
So
from
staffs
perspective.
That
should
cover
some
of
those
concerns.
M
M
L
D
L
M
Y
M
M
Y
Y
A
another
set
of
questions
on
a
different
topic
so
as
I
look
at
the
lot
sizes
and
compare
them
to
the
surroundings
at
the
North,
you
have
some
that
are
what
is
it
seven
to
ten
thousand?
Actually,
it's
closer
to
eight
thousand
as
the
minimum
as
I
as
I've
done,
some
checking
on
those
and
then
half
half
acre
south
I'm
trying
to
understand.
We
have
an
r1
b
zoning
proposal.
N
Madam
chair,
this
is
Heath
Clark,
again
251
East,
Front
Street,
so
the
thought
process
there,
commissioner
bratton
over,
really
focuses
a
lot
on
the
fact
that
this
is
not
in
the
middle
of
large
lot
in
a
sea
of
half
acre
one
acre
lots.
There
are
some
larger
Lots
on
the
south
in
an
older
subdivision,
but
this
is
a
project
that
it's
is
truly.
It
is
at
the
intersection
of
the
large
lot
and
the
suburban
densities
right
along
Victory
Road,
and
the
blocks
immediately
across
the
street
are
very
similar
in
size
here.
Y
As
I
look
at
it,
the
proposal
for
many
of
those
lots
is
5000
square
feet,
whereas
when
you
look
to
the
north
I
believe
there
are
some
that
come
in
around
seventy
nine
hundred,
but
most
of
them
are
above
8,000,
so
there's
not
really
a
match
in
that
regard,
you're
going
from
approximately
eight
thousand
eight
to
ten
thousand,
let's
say
seven
to
ten
thousand
down
to
five
and
then
back
up
to
very
large
lots.
That
does
not
seem
to
jive.
Thank
you.
N
Madam
chair
Commissioner,
Bratton
over
I
think
what
you're
describing
north
of
Victory
Road
is
essentially
what
we're
talking
about
here
as
well.
Those
Lots
get
larger
as
they
move
away
from
Victory
Road.
They
should
get
smaller
as
they
get
closer
to
the
transportation
corridors
and
we're
trying
to
accomplish
the
same
thing.
N
Y
L
L
So
then
the
question
I
think
Jim
is
trying
to
get
to
is
why
don't
we
just
stick
to
the
r1,
be
zoning
requirements
for
lot
size
for
all
the
Lots,
and
this
subdivision
which
would
make
you
know
some
would
probably
reduce
somewhat
some
of
that
it
would
reduce
the
number
of
lots
because
the
lots
in
the
very
center
of
it
are,
you
know
not
conforming
to
the
r1b,
Street,
frontage
and
I.
Don't
know
I,
don't
know
the
dimensional
standard,
but
you
get.
L
M
L
You
what
I
think
what
Kevin
is
really
trying
to
say
is
in
this
case
the
answer
is
the
public.
The
public
interest
is
being
served
and
we're
trading
so
that
some
smaller
Lots
to
preserve
that
pond
because
and
the
trees
and
you
know
whatever
else.
So
that's
the
public
interest
weighing
that's
being
done
here,
because,
as
I
understand
the
law,
Kevin
I
mean
the
applicant
would
be
within
their
rights
to
eliminate
that
pond
and
a
limb.
You
know
all
the
trees
I
mean
there's
no
requirement
that
they
keep
those
amenities.
L
Z
Thank
you
a
couple
of
things
just
to
and
Kevin
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
confirm
this,
but
just
because,
even
if
the
Commission
decides
to
zoom
the
whole
thing
r1b
and
maintain
the
dimensional
standards
doesn't
mean
that
the
applicant
can
just
wholesale
wipe
out
that
pond.
We
still,
they
still
have
to
meet
because
there
being
an
X,
because
there's
also
an
annexation
and
a
Rizzo,
and
they
also
need
to
meet
a
set
of
findings.
For
that
so
I
don't
want
us.
I
mean
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
I
right
am.
I
right.
M
Z
So
I
just
I
mean
I,
don't
want
anybody
on
the
Commission
to
think
that
we,
you
know
we
saved
the
pond
by
doing
what's
in
front
of
us
today
or
we
lose
the
pond
I!
Think
it's
not
that
not
that
black
and
white
and
then
I
guess
at
a
very
basic
level.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
for
the
record
Kevin
that
in
our
comp
plan
I
wanted
to
have
you
tell
us
what
large
lot
means.
Z
M
Z
P
Z
This
is
also
first
staff
Kevin
with
regard
to
the
sidewalks.
If
we
do
follow
staffs
recommendation
and
require
detached
sidewalks,
won't
that
inherently
reduce
the
size,
the
Lots
even
further.
M
Z
And
madam
chair
I,
don't
me
as
well
get
through
a
few
of
them
since
I'm
on?
If
that's
okay
with
you,
yes,.
Z
Okay,
mm
I
wanted
to
ask
about
a
couple
of
other
things:
I
just
wanted
to
understand
what
regard
to
traffic
and
get
this
on
the
record
right
now.
Victory
Road
is
already
beyond
what
a
CHD
considers
to
be
acceptable
is
the
reason
that
they
and
the
city
are
recommending
approval
of
this,
because
there
is
no
egress
on
to
ingress
or
egress
on
to
Victory
Road
from
this,
and
so
we're
really
only
looking
at
Mitchell
and
if
so,
then,
why
does
victory
show
up
in
our
table?
And
why
are
we
looking
at
that?.
M
Madam
chair
Commissioner,
Stevens
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
a
CHD,
but
I
can
try
to
interpret
what
I've
also
read
in
their
staff
report.
The
the
Mitchell
Street
access
is
the
only
access
that
a
CHD
will
allow
and
we
do
look
at
victory
because
it
will
be
impacted
and
they,
and
they
mentioned
in
their
staff
report.
M
Ach
D
does
that
victory
is
already
over
capacity,
as
you
said,
but
it
is
within
their
policies
that
this
would
have
a
low
enough
amount
of
impact
during
the
peak
traffic
time
that
they
are
allowed
to
approve
it
and
now.
Well,
they
don't
say
this
directly
in
their
project
report.
It
is
worth
noting
that
victory
is
planned
on
being
widened
in
the
relatively
near
future,
within
the
the
2021
to
2025
timeframe,
and
then
at
that
point
in
time
it
will
become
a
five
lane
with
a
turn
lane.
M
Z
So
totally
unfair
question
to
you
because
you
probably
you
may
not
know
the
answer,
but
is
a
CH
D
on
track
right
now
with
kovat
and
everything
has
any,
has
anything
changed
in
their
in
their
capital
improvement
plan
and
again
totally
unfair
question
to
you
because
you
don't
work
for
them.
But
maybe
you
know,
madam.
M
Z
Regard
to
the
addition
of
condition
for
a
tree
mitigation
plan,
I
was
just
hoping
that
you
Kevin
could
explain
what
would
be,
how
staff
would
look
at
that
and
what
the
findings
are.
That
would
permit
approval
of
that
so
like
when
staff
looks
at
a
tree
mitigation
plan.
What
are
they
looking
at
to
say?
Yes
or
no.
M
Madam
chair
sure,
Stevens
typically
when
we
look
at
a
tree
mitigation
plan,
will
look
at
caliper
inches
and,
in
this
case
I
think
we
know,
and
there
is
no
requirement
with
these
applications
to
match
caliper
inches
to
caliper
inches
in.
In
this
case,
we've
reviewed
the
information
that
applicant
has
provided
to
us
for
the
estimated
amount
of
trees
to
be
removed
and
the
estimated
amount
of
new
trees-
and
it
sounds
like
that
equation
has
actually
gotten
better.
Just
in
the
time
that
we
package
this
report
and
today.
B
M
Madam
chair
I've
never
run
across
anything
where
we've
been
able
to
as
a
municipality,
to
restrict
a
homeowner's
ability
to
trim
their
own
trees
on
their
private
property.
Theoretically,
something
like
that
could
be
included
in
a
CC
NRS,
for
example,
but
that
would
be
a
little
bit
outside
of
the
preview.
You
know
we
do
typically
review
what
goes
into
a
CCR.
Thank.
B
K
K
One
of
their
follow
up
point
earlier
on
the
conversation
regarding
the
irrigation
I
think
there
might
have
been
some
confusion
regarding
the
applicant
and
whether
or
not
they've
already
spoken
with
some
of
the
appropriate
agencies,
and
there
is
correspondence.
So
I
just
want
the
record
to
be
clear
that
the
applicant
has
spoken
with
Nampa
marine
irrigation
district
in
regards
to
the
lateral
on
the
property,
so
that
conversation
already
has
already
begun.
Correct.
M
Y
You
so
thanks
to
Commissioner,
Gillespie
and
Commissioner
Stevens
for
accurately
summarizing
what
I
was
going
to
say
or
what
I
was
trying
to
say.
So,
with
respect
to
the
signal
warrant
analysis,
this
is
for
Kevin
I
noticed
that
that
was
done
in
2017
and
a
lot
has
gone
by
and
plus
we're
talking
about
a
fairly
significant
development
going
in.
Is
it
your
feeling
that
that's
valid
and
up-to-date
in
terms
of
the
signal
needs
its
elicits?
The
Victory,
Road
and
Mitchell
analysis.
M
N
Chair
I
might
be
able
to
add
something
to
that.
Yes,
please
go
ahead
mr.
Clark,
and
without
also
like
Kevin
I'm
I'm,
loath
to
speak
for
ACH
D,
but
the
report
does
indicate
that
that
was
revisited
again
in
2018
with
regard
to
a
pedestrian
crossing
at
the
intersection
and
ACH
D
indicated
that
they
will
continue
to
monitor
that
so
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
what
you
know.
We.
N
L
So
you
both
testified
that
the
simple
numb,
the
density
itself
you
didn't
think,
was
compatible
or
that
would
create
a
hardship
and
that
you
both
wanted
to
or
the
Jill
one
an
r1
a
zone
and
a
20,000
square
feet
minimum.
What
exactly
is
the
hardship
or
the
the
difficulty
of
having
r1
be
lots
or
the
Lots
size
that
they
propose?
I'm,
not
I,
don't
quite
understand.
How
does
that
adversely
affect
the
neighbors
having
more
houses
on
that
piece
of
property.
W
V
People
that
are
coming
into
a
neighborhood,
this
traditionally
been
rural,
more
kids
in
the
school
as
much
cars
on
the
streets.
It's
not
an
area
that
is
walkable.
It's
not
likable.
Everybody
is
going
to
be
driving
a
car.
The
other
issue
is
when
you
have
go
from
one
backyard:
neighbor
or
two
backyard
neighbors
in
the
case,
the
Dunkley
house
and
mr.
arens
house,
and
now
all
of
a
sudden,
you
have
14
back
neighbors.
It
does
cause
some
issues
as
far
as
privacy,
and
these
are
still
rural
areas.
V
I
myself
have
had
phone
calls
from
from
people
asking
when,
when
the
Neighborhood
Association
is
going
to
get
rid
of
the
cows
in
the
subdivision
next
door
or
next
door
to
us
of
division
out
in
the
area
of
impact,
because
they
don't
like
the
Flies
that
the
cows
bring
to
the
neighborhood,
and
so
it
does
there
is.
It
does
cause
friction
that
way.
W
W
Sorry
Longhurst
again,
I
Misha
and
I
both
have
had
horses
while
we've
been
on
these
properties,
a
number
of
those
places
of
it
horses
and
we're
asking
to
about
two
three
different
neighbors
that
have
these
tiny,
tiny
Lots.
When
you
say
that
they're
they
are
similar
nature
they're,
not
those
are
significantly
smaller,
Lots
than
even
those
on
the
other
side
which
are
in
Boise
City
in
the
Carolina
Place
subdivision,
they're
smaller
than
the
diamante
lot.
W
That
was
only
recently
approved
by
the
city
and
they're
smaller
than
everything
that
we're
talking
about
going
to
the
word,
the
south
and
to
the
west.
So
we're
talking
about
essentially
three
houses
to
the
back
of
my
one
lot
and
my
narrow
Long
Acre
acreage
lot.
In
addition
to
that,
I
have
for
more
than
20
years,
turned
onto
Mitchell,
Street
and
then
right
onto
victory
to
get
to
work.
W
So
there
could
be
much
more
two
or
three
cars
per
home
already
getting
there
before
me,
I'm
already
having
struggles
to
get
on
to
victory
and
you're,
asking
to
add
that
many
additional
plot
that
density
is
just
simply
not
sufficient
for
this
area.
This
is
a
much
more
densely
populated
area
and
it
does
not
fairly
compare
when
you
say
there:
similarly-sized
they're,
not.
Z
M
Madam
chair
Commissioner
Stephens
in
many
ways
we
still
do.
The
comp
plan
is
a
guiding
document
and
we
do
have
the
PUD
process
on
the
books
to
make
exceptions
for
what
maybe
you
would
find
at
a
complain
or
dimensional
standards
and
code,
so
as
a
reason
that
the
the
PUD
process
is
the
appropriate
manner
to
which,
if
you
were
going
to
go
against
the
guidance,
maybe
not
go
against,
but
deviate
from
the
guidance
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
This.
This
is
the
appropriate
manner
to
do
so.
N
Madam
chair
can
I
add
to
that
yeah.
Let's
go
ahead,
mr.
Clark
and
and
madam
chair
and
Commissioner
Stephens,
the
just
the
points
that
I
would
emphasize
there
is
Darwin.
B
is
certainly
it's
explicitly
an
improved
zone
within
the
large
lot
designation
and
you
can
get
up
to
four
point.
Eight
units
per
acre
with
nr1
B
we're
at
three
point:
six,
one,
the
and
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
the
PUD
and
process
and
I
was
gonna
jump
in
earlier,
and
maybe
I'll
just
make
this
point
now.
N
The
the
PUD
process
is,
by
definition
there
to
allow
for
some
creativity
to
preserve
or
to
create
different
and
amenities
that
might
not
be
able
to
be
preserved.
Otherwise,
so
in
this
case
in
the
the
use
of
the
PD
allows
us
to
move
those
Lots
around
and
allow
for
preservation
of
that
pond
and
create
another
amenity,
while
we're
still
in
I,
think
substantial
conformance
with
the
lot
sizes
to
our
north.
So
just
a
couple
extra
thoughts
there.
B
M
Madam
chair
Commissioner
Gillespie
they
do,
except
for
in
one
regard,
which
would
be
the
requested
interior
side
setbacks
which,
depending
on
there's
a
an
added,
recommended
added
condition
in
there
that
if
the
homes
built
on
those
14
Lots
utilize
less
than
the
10-foot
into
your
side,
setback
that
is
typical
of
r1b,
that
they
be
limited
to
one
story.
In
height
they're
rigid,
the
applicant
originally
asked
for
all
homes
to
regardless
of
story
size
to
be
able
to
utilize
the
reduced
5-foot
setback.
K
N
Madam
chair
commissioners,
say
Schafer
I,
don't
have
an
exact
height,
but
let
me
have
a
slide
that
I
used
in
my
presentation.
That
might
help
illustrate
that.
Let
me
pull
that
up
so
that
they
are
not
insignificant
you.
This
is
the
overhead
using
Google
Earth,
looking
at
about
a
45-degree
angle,
back
it
and
the
Shops
at
and
many
of
which
are
wait.
Excuse
me
two
stories
so
they're
there
they're,
apparently
significant
trees.
As
part
of
our
study.
We
will
be
looking
at.
You
know
ensuring
that
we
can
make
make
sure
that
those
remain
healthy.
N
You
know
a
lot
of
the
trees
throughout
the
project.
You
know
maybe
meeting
nearing
the
end
of
their
life
cycle,
but
we
expect
to
preserve
those
and
see
you
know
what
I
I
think.
It
would
be
good
for
me
to
just
jump
in
real
quick
on
that
issue
of
private
CCN
are
in
Maine,
requiring
individuals,
individual
homeowners
to
maintain
I,
think
that
would
be
pretty
difficult.
N
We
can.
We
I
I
had
personally
draft
CC
NARS
all
over
the
valley.
I
I've
never
seen
an
example
of
a
CCR
that
said
that
someone
can't
cut
down
a
tree
if
it's
diseased
or
aged
and
so
I
see
that
as
being
difficult,
but
this
applicant
is
committed
to
in
preserving
those
trees
on
that
southbound
line.
Madam.
L
Etha
just
to
follow
up
on
that
just
started
to
brainstorm.
What
about
is
it
possible
or
would
you
consider
putting
like
a
10
or
15
foot
landscape
buffer
that
buffer,
where
those
trees
are
into
a
common
lot,
that
the
HOA
would
then
maintain?
So
you
got
it
a
you
know
that
that
those
trees
and
that
we're
in
a
long,
narrow,
common
lot
across
the
I.
L
Don't
know
if
you
can
see
me
heat
so
I'm
just
doing
this,
you
know
so
that
the
the
trees
sense
became
an
amenity,
or
you
know
like
the
HOA
common
area
that
they
maintain.
So
then
the
CC
NARS
could
provide
or
the
you
know,
the
ongoing
maintenance
of
that
buffer,
which
I
think
is
pretty
important
to
some
of
those
folks
to
the
south.
N
Mr.
chair
or
madam
chair
Commissioner
Gillespie,
you
know
certainly
open
to
considering
the
various
alternatives
as
as
we're
just
kind
of
spitballing
right
now.
Some
of
the
things
that
I
could
see
as
being
having
a
being
difficult
to
overcome
would
be
that
you
know
how
wide
with
that
common
lot
be
in
order
to
make
sure
that
it
can
be
patrolled
safely
and
maintained
by
the
HOA
and
then
you're
shrinking
up
the
the
Lots
at
that
point
on
the
other
side
of
them.
So
you
know,
and
then
we've
got
30-yard
30-foot
rear
yard
setbacks
as
well.
N
So
that's
shrinking
those
Lots
pretty
significantly
and
if
we're
thinking
about
transitions,
you
know,
I
granted
I
see
that
your
point,
that
that
does
have
serve
a
dual
purpose
and
also
being
a
transition,
but
it
would,
it
would
generally
shrink
up
those
Lots
pretty
significantly
and
I
think
creates
some
some
maintenance
headache
for
the
HOA,
because
those
are
large
trees
if
they
have
to
be
felled.
That's
a
pretty
narrow
area
to
do
it.
Yeah.
P
Z
There
has
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
laterals
in
the
valley
over
the
last
several
years
and
the
you
know
there's
definitely
a
move
by
not
just
Boise
but
kind
of
all
over
the
country
to
daylight
these
facilities
that
have
been
buried.
For
you
know,
over
a
hundred
years
and
I'm
just
curious,
I
mean
you
know.
Z
N
Thank
you
for
the
question,
commissioner
Stevens.
So
I
have
perfectly
prepared
a
slide
because
we
have
been
thinking
about
this
issue
so
the
slide
they
have
on
your
screen,
an
area
that
has
the
red
hashing
is
the
portion
of
the
farmers,
lateral
that
is
already
tiled
or
covered
up.
It
was
covered
up
on
on
this
property
within
the
last
five
or
ten
years.
Is
that
right?
N
N
K
Is
for
the
applicant
Heath
to
follow
up
on
that
line
of
questioning
the
Neighborhood
Association
brought
up
several
concerns
regarding
grades
and
drainage
along
that
South
carping
line
as
well.
Can
you
give
us
some
insight
into
conversations
you've
had
regarding
to
the
regarding
those
problems?
How
you
guys
intend
to
address
some
of
those
issues.
N
Madam
chair
Commissioner
Schafer,
so
as
as
you're
probably
aware,
you
know
with
ruphylin,
we
do
any
of
these
projects
and
when
I
say
we
I
mean
anyone,
there
is
a
requirement
of
a
grading
and
drainage
plan.
That
has
to
be
done
and
usually
that
start
that
process
the
grading
process
can
start
after
a
pre
plat.
N
We
will
have
to
go
through
and
specifically
look
at
any
of
those
issues
and
I
expect
that
you
know,
based
on
the
fact
that
this
has
probably
not
been
engineered
before
that
any
of
those
issues
would
be
addressed
through
that
process.
Yeah
and
we,
you
know,
we
work
regularly
with
public
works
on
that,
and
we
expect
that
that
will
be
taken
care
of.
B
Okay,
we
will
now
move
on
to
the
public
testimony
and
a
couple
of
housekeeping
items
for
people
here
in
person.
There
are
wipes
up
here
so
feel
free
to
wipe
down
the
podium
if
you'd
like
to
you're
also
welcome
to
remove
your
mask
while
you're
speaking,
if
that's
helpful
for
you
and
then
we'll
start
with
everybody
in
this
room
that
would
like
to
speak
before
we
move
on
to
the
virtual
attendees
for
everybody.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address,
and
each
person
will
have
three
minutes.
B
We'll
start
first
with
I'll
read
the
first
three
or
four
people,
and
so,
if
we
can
keep
it
moving
with
the
people
in
the
room,
either
move
up
to
one
of
the
front
seats
if
you're
not,
and
so
we
can
keep
things
moving
along.
So
first
up
will
be
Julianne
and
then
misty,
Daniel's
and
then
Traci
and
then
tad
price.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chairman
and
commissioners.
My
name
is
Julie
and
I
live
at
9950,
West,
Rowan
Meadows
Drive.
The
one
thing
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
with
the
trees
we
all
love
the
trees
is
that
they're
fed
by
an
irrigation,
lateral,
well,
ditch
I!
Guess
it's
just
a
surface.
Ditch
death
needs
to
continue.
If
the
water's
stopped
the
trees
will
die.
We
have
parallel
surface
ditches
on
the
north
side
and
the
south
side
of
that
fence
line
in
that
tree
line.
J
So
that's
something
I
mean
yes
retain
the
trees,
but
don't
stop
the
water.
There's
no
point.
Another
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
I've
been
working
with
Idaho,
Fish
and
Game
in
regards
to
the
wildlife
there.
It's
not
doesn't
that
areas
not
designated
as
a
great
blue,
heron
rookery,
but
we've
had
great
blue
herons
there
for
30
years,
beautiful
watching
them
come
in
over
that
tree
line.
J
J
They
can
build
a
three-story
or
four-story
or
whatever
the
heck
they
want
to
you.
If
they're
farther
than
10
feet
from
the
property
line,
if
they're
less
than
10
feet
from
the
property
line,
they
have
to
be
a
single-story,
it's
kind
of
written
backwards.
It's
not
cognitive,
the
point
being
that
all
the
surrounding
areas
have
single
level
ranch
like
development.
They
were
made
for
Ranchettes
to
be
able
to
have
your
cow.
We
still
have
folks
who
have
cows
back
there
and
they're
butchered
back
there.
J
So
you've
got
to
keep
in
mind
the
agricultural
aspect
and
the
residential
aspect,
and
it's
not
that
we
don't
want
people
coming
and
enjoy
in
that
area.
We
do,
but
we
don't
want
them
getting
upset
because
somebody
butchered
their
cow
in
the
backyard.
It's
part
of
that
integration.
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
B
AB
AB
Everyone's
talked
about
everything
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
but
I
did
notice.
Some
some
key
points
that
I
just
wanted
to
bring
out
a
little
introduction
of
myself.
My
husband
and
I
have
lived
here
for
22
years.
We
moved
here
from
a
big
city,
asphalt,
concrete
buildings,
stagnant
heat,
that's
what
happens
when
you
take
out
all
of
the
open
water
and
put
in
asphalt
and
concrete.
AB
We
move
to
Boise
because
it
is
one
of
the
most
popular
one
of
the
most
popular
cities
to
live
in
in
the
nation
because
of
its
diversity,
and
that's
what
brought
my
husband
and
I
here:
its
diversity
and
activities,
climates
and
housing
options.
We
have
the
beautiful
North
End
to
downtown
Boise,
southeast
Boise
and
the
semi-rural
in
rural
areas.
The
diversity
diversity
is
precisely
what
brings
new
families
to
our
great
city.
We
need
to
work
to
keep
Boise's
properties
diverse.
AB
The
developer
states
in
his
application
under
justification
that
Boise
is
changing
rapidly
in
this
area,
has
a
need
for
additional
housing.
With
that
in
mind,
the
proximity
to
services
makes
this
prime
this
area,
prime
for
single-family
residential
development
I,
do
agree
that
Boise
is
growing
and
it's
continuing
to
grow.
However,
it
is
the
responsibility
of
the
citizens
of
Idaho
and
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
to
mindfully
review
the
growth.
Currently,
there
are
many
lots,
as
stated
previously
that
are
not
built
on
sitting
empty
I
think
we
need
to
start
building
on
the
empty
lots.
AB
Instead
of
continuing
to
approve
the
demolition
of
these
beautiful
Lots
that
we
have,
we
need
to
start
focusing
on
Smart
Growth
for
Boise,
including
a
range
of
housing
opportunities
for
our
current
and
new
residents.
We
have
a
lot
of
our
lot
of
diversity
in
our
neighborhoods,
including,
as
I
said,
the
North
End
southeast
Boise
and
our
semi-rural
in
rural
areas.
It
is
important
that
we
keep
the
diversity
of
Idaho
available
for
those
who
are
moving
here.
AB
For
exactly
that
reason,
the
application
reads
and
the
application
read
three
point:
seven
houses
per
acre
I
believe
the
the
gentleman
stated.
It
was
three
point:
six
one
houses
per
acre,
but
if
you
actually
base
the
number
of
houses
on
the
lot
sizes
and
not
the
streets,
the
common
areas,
the
sidewalks,
you
are
actually
looking
at
five
point:
five
houses
per
acre.
If
you
look
at
the
overhead
map
shown
of
the
density
of
that
area,
as
has
been
a
concern,
I
think
brought
up
with
many
questions
from
Krishnas.
AB
X
AB
AC
AC
Not
too
long
ago,
I
witnessed
the
birth
of
a
foal
and
there's
a
video.
If
we
can
get
to
the
video
that
says,
full
video
and
there's
pictures
of
various
different
animals
and
the
lifestyle
of
where
we
currently
live
at
I
also
raised
a
beef
cow
every
year
and
the
mobile
butcher
comes
to
get
the
stare.
Each
fall.
I
love
this
unique
area
because
of
the
rural
lifestyle
within
the
city,
county
limits,
I
see
all
sorts
of
wildlife,
including
ducks
geese,
turkeys,
blue
herons,
rabbits
and
even
skunks.
AC
My
neighbors
even
have
horses,
pigs,
burros
and
other
animals.
Goats
included,
I
love,
seeing
my
neighbors
right,
the
horses
down
our
street,
but
that
has
decreased
significantly
with
the
increase
of
traffic
and
the
high
density
neighborhoods
going
in
around
us.
I
would
also
like
to
address
traffic
concerns
and
I.
Think
there's
some
pictures
there
of
traffic
and
that
would
adversely
affect
me
because
of
the
proposed
increased
density
housing
since
I
live
on
Ron
Meadows
Drive,
with
increasing
density
as
proposed
by
the
music
subdivision.
AC
AC
Also
when
I
called
and
talked
to
them
about
getting
a
study.
They
said
that,
since
the
subdivision
was
like
under
a
hundred
homes,
that
it
did
not
designate
needing
to
check
that,
but
they
also
included
the
other
three,
the
subdivisions
that
went
in
and
they
were
all
under
hunt
homes.
So
there's
not
been
a
recent
study
done
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
all
those
subdivisions.
AC
They
state
that
the
type
of
homes
would
be
compatible
for
the
area,
but
they
are
comparing
the
homes
all
the
way
across
the
large
high-traffic
Road
of
victory,
not
the
areas
closest
to
the
impact
and
they
are
affected
by
that
are
affected
by
the
proposed
subdivision
to
me,
compatible
means
similar
and
of
same
mind
when
music
subdivision
mentions
that
they
were
providing
a
housing
type
that
currently
doesn't
exist
and
one
two
three
story:
homes.
This
is
not
compatible
to
our
area.
Our
homes
are
all
single
level.
A
B
AD
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Ted
price
I
live
at
99
on
one
row,
Meadows
Drive.
Well,
the
concerns
I
have
has
been
the
trees
and
the
stabilizing
effect
that
the
root
systems
are
maintained
there.
If
you
look
at
those
trees,
those
trees
are
not
random.
Those
were
put
in
there
in
a
very
specific
pattern
and
it's
my
opinion.
I,
don't
I.
Wasn't
there
I
wasn't
involved
in
the
layout,
but
those
trees
were
put
in
with
a
specific
pattern
in
mind.
AD
That
is
not
random
whatsoever
and
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
well,
while
all
is
all
works.
Fine
normally,
under
these
irrigation
systems,
I've
lived
there
long
enough
to
know
that
in
the
spring
in
particular,
sometimes
you
get
more
water.
Sometimes
you
get
less
and
and
I
just
AM
concerned
that
that
water
is
going
to
end
up,
creating
a
impact
to
somebody
and
something
that
is
not
under
a
normal
condition.
One
other
thing
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
is
saying.
Is
several
years
ago
at
the
corner
of
Mitchell
and
victory
on
this
property.
AD
There
was
a
significant
amount
of
infill
brought
in,
and
while
this
was
fine
for
the,
it
maintains
the
property
flat
where
it's
currently
at
and
and
I
have
a
neighbor
I
haven't
ever
measured.
That
quote
that
vertical
height
but
I'm,
assuming
it's
seven
to
ten
feet
of
vertical
infill
and
I'm
sure
it
son,
consolidated,
I'm,
sure,
there's
organic
of
material
underneath
it,
and
while
it's
fine
for
cows,
I
just
want
to
say
it's,
probably
not
so
fine
to
build
on
without
at
least
addressing
the
the
state.
AD
This
stabilization
of
the
soil
and
I
just
want
to
go
on
record
and
saying
three
point:
six
one
units,
four
acre,
that's
twelve
thousand
square
feet
per
unit
per
acre
or
excuse
me
twelve
thousand
square
feet
per
unit,
not
not
seven
thousand
or
six
thousand
or
whatever
the
numbers
are
CV.
That's
all
I
am
thank
you
thank.
P
AE
Hello,
commissioners
name
is
Darren
Daniels
I
live
at
99,
57,
West,
Rome,
meadows
and
I
agree
with
all
the
previous
concerns
that
have
been
brought
to
us
and
I
also
bring
one
other
concern
that
it
reaches
personally
to
me
is
having
worked
for
a
large
utility
company
here
in
the
area.
I
do
not
express
their
views
or
opinions
right
now.
These
are
mine
alone,
anyways
being
a
first
responder
for
that,
not
just
police
fire,
but
utility.
First
response
traffic
is
terrible
with
a
CHD
reviewing
and
looking
and
saying
project.
AE
You
know
this
projects
not
going
to
affect
traffic
this
projects.
Are
they
accumulating
all
these
together
and
looking
at
the
real
impact,
as
in
this
crisis,
pictures
shown
I've
experienced
that
for
almost
20
years,
seeing
that
watching
watching
this
town
grow,
especially
this
area.
This
area
cannot
handle
a
lot
of
small
large
subdivisions,
large
number
of
houses
without
some
infrastructure
in
better
shape,
better
roads
there,
and
as
far
as
I
know,
there
is
not
even
a
five-year
plan
yet
on
widening
that
section
of
victory.
AE
AE
I'm
totally
having
a
brain
freeze,
so
much
has
been
said:
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
cover
the
other,
but
that
is
that
is
my
largest
concern
here.
With
that
impact
for
first
responders
and
stuff,
like
that
and
I
would
say
that
growth
is
coming.
Yes,
those
should
be
1/2,
acre
lots,
no
smaller
than
that
the
amount
each
subdivision
has
three
accesses
to
it.
It
is
not
greatly
impact
this,
not
a
lot
a
little,
but
not
a
lot.
AE
B
B
V
V
Marissa
key
thirty-two
79,
South
Cloverdale
Boise
yesterday,
well,
Sunday
I,
don't
know
what
today
is
Sunday
and
I
spent
the
day
driving
around
salaka
to
take
inventory
of
the
plats
that
had
been
approved
and
built
for
a
project
that
another
Neighborhood
Association
is
working
on
with
statesmen.
We
included
the
Falcon
Crest,
which
is
in
Canobie
cuz,
all
of
those
houses
that
they
approved
out.
They're
gonna
come
in
to
Boise.
Nobody
goes
to
Kuna,
we
counted
5200
lots
that
have
been
approved
out
in
southwest
Boise,
and
we
counted
between
100
and
200
houses
built.
V
It's
not
an
issue
of
lots
not
being
available.
It's
an
issue
of
the
houses
not
being
built
in
a
timely
matter.
As
far
as
for
the
easement
of
the
trees,
I
really
do
think.
It's
just
lip
service.
The
developers
plan
for
these
neighbors
if
he
is
trying
to
get
the
development
approved
based
on
saving
those
trees,
and
he
has
no
actual
plan
to
protect
those
trees
once
he
is
out
of
that
subdivision
and
moved
on
to
the
next,
then
it's
it's
kind
of
a
waste
of
time
to
even
discuss
it.
V
At
this
point,
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
easement.
There
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
protection
to
make
sure
that
those
trees
are
there
for
the
long
term.
I
spend
a
whole
lot
of
my
time
down
at
a
CHD.
It's
been
like
hours
of
my
life
there
every
week,
just
following
along
on
what
they're
doing
and
I
have
spoken
with
an
old
employee.
There
are
several
times
he
calls.
V
He
has
said
that
the
people
at
AC
HD
refer
to
Southwest
Boise
as
death
by
a
thousand
cuts
and
what
he
means
by
that
is
that
they
developers
put
in
all
of
these
small
subdivisions
that
never
meet
the
criteria
for
a
traffic
impact
study,
never
meet
their
criteria
for
mitigation
and
before
you
know
it's
just
no
baldon,
and
now
we
have
fifty
two
hundred
houses
approved
out
there
and
we
have
no
sidewalks.
We
have
two
lane
roads.
V
Right
now,
AC
HD
is
considering
not
even
taking
their
three
percent
for
their
next
budget
they're
contemplating
a
zero
percent
increase
that
will
impact
their
CIP.
It
will
impact
their
five-year
work
plan.
They
don't
know
exactly
the
how
much
that
will
affect
it,
but
there
are
several
people
over
there
screaming
that
they
don't
even
have
money
to
put
in
sidewalks
pedestrian
crossings,
other
community
projects
and-
and
so
just
take
that
into
consideration
when
you
are
deliberating
tonight.
F
I
am
mark
Dunphy,
101,
51,
West,
Victory,
Road
I'm,
one
of
the
sellers
of
the
property
to
be
happen.
I
have
lived
here
since
1958,
in
which
34,000
people
lived
here
then.
Currently
we
have
two
over
250,000
here
in
Boise
change
is
constant
and
great
things.
I've
rather
lived
here
now
than
back
in
the
1958
when
I
came
because
of
the
population
increase
good
things
happen,
I'm
selling,
my
property,
because
I
have
a
bad
heart.
F
I'm,
tired
of
taking
care
of
cows
and
pastures
and
I
want
a
break,
and
so
that
I
do
want
to
stay
in
there
because
I
love
the
area,
I
love
what
the
developer
has
done
in
keeping
the
pond.
No
one
here
enjoys
the
pond,
because
it's
private,
the
pond,
will
be
enjoyed
by
the
public.
The
common
areas
will
be
enjoyed
by
the
public,
people
will
enjoy
walking
in
and
neighborhood.
That
is
secluded
and
I.
Think
there's
this
great.
F
The
integrity
of
the
trees
in
the
South
will
help
keep
the
privacy
of
those
people
in
the
south.
The
lots
are
larger
watch
general
only
one
and
one
and
a
half
Lots
per
per
person
there.
Everyone
will
enjoy
the
the
the
property
the
irrigation
concerns.
My
property
is
the
lowest
portion
of
all
the
properties,
the
lateral
that
goes
through
my
property
has
never
been
flooded
in
the
16
years.
I
have
been
here.
The
problem
with
Jill's
property
is
just
on
the
on
the
southeast
corner
with
just
two
properties
there.
It
is
not.
F
The
whole
property
is
just
that.
Little
portion,
my
property,
there's
no
problem
with
the
laterals.
There
is
no
wildlife
on
my
lateral
when
that
goes
drying
in
the
in
October
nothing's.
There
is
all
in
the
pond
all
the
wildlife
stays
with
the
pond,
so
you
keep
the
pond.
You
develop
that
you
have
some
great
things
that
happens
there,
and
people
could
enjoy
traffic
with
a
CHD.
F
Since
Mitchell
is
a
collateral,
it
has
a
possibility
maximum
of
425
vph
per
per
day,
I
guess
or
how
are
they
providing
with
addition
of
the
additional
subdivision
that
brings
only
up
to
about
a
hundred
and
ten
V
pH
in
the
maximum
traffic
points?
People
have
been
playing
complaining
about
traffic
and
voice
for
the
last
30
years,
and
so
there's
no
difference
between
now
and
30
or
40
years
ago,
I
apologized
to
my
neighbors
for
getting
old
and
having
a
heart
problem
and
wanting
to
stay
alive.
I
do
have
one
problem.
F
F
D
W
Of
my
powerpoint
that
had
a
picture
that
showed
the
lot
sizes
as
they
exist
now
across
the
street.
Could
you
pull
that
back
up?
Please
again,
it's
still
Longhurst
and
I'm
at
9900
round
Meadows,
West,
roan,
Meadows,
I!
Guess
that's
something
they're
making
us
add,
I,
never
said
west
before
well.
Mr.
Holmes
pulls
that
up.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
few
comments
and
when
I
heard
Mr
Holmes
reference
one
of
the
commissioners
questions
about.
He
thought
that
there
would
be
within
20
21
through
2025
changes
to
victory.
That
was
a
surprise
to
me.
W
W
W
Actually
go
up
to
there,
you
go
sorry.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
home,
sighs.
The
homes
here
are
significantly
smaller
on
what's
proposed,
and
this
was
the
original
proposal.
If
you
look
across
the
street
to
the
Carolina
place,
those
are
much
smaller.
The
developers
comments
about
that
this
is
all
within
the
size
of
those
houses
get
smaller
as
they
get
to
our
victory
is
not
accurate.
W
That's
an
accurate
assessment
of
what
the
properties
look
like
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
relevant
visual
aid
for
all
of
us
to
understand
what
we're
talking
about.
There
was
a
comment
that
was
made
to
mr.
Holmes
a
minute
ago
about
whether
or
not
this
proposal
was
within
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
his
response
was:
if
we're
going
to
go
against
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
This
is
an
appropriate
way
to
go.
My
question
is:
why
are
we
going
against
the
Comprehensive
Plan?
We
are
not
without
homes,
we
are
not
without
development
properties.
W
There
is
no
need
to
do
so,
and
I
would
strongly
urge
you
to
require
us
not
to
look
at.
This
is
something
to
go
against
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
to
stay
within
it
so
that
we
can
have
a
nice
transition
between
the
homes.
It's
an
accurate,
factually
fair
one,
and
my
final
comment
would
be
that
who
are
talking
about
this
plan.
Community
development,
we're
going
to
save
the
pod
I
think
that
that's
sort
of
talking
about
the
emperor's
new
clothes,
as
one
of
the
commissioners
pointed
out.
This
pond
isn't
going
away.
W
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
would
have
to
happen
before
this
pond
would
go
away,
they're
stuck
with
the
pond.
So
really
what
they're
talking
about
is
putting
a
path
around
the
pond
and
putting
the
pond
in
a
much
smaller
area
than
it
is
and
they're
putting
some
rocks
out,
and
in
order
for
you
to
say
that
this
is
part
of
a
planned
community
development,
it
has
to
have
some
benefit
and
all
as
far
as
I
can
tell
it's
boulders
and
I,
don't
know
what
size
it
is.
W
But
I
was
joking
with
my
daughter
about
the
size
of
Boulder
we
have
I
have
yet
to
hear
a
single
person
say.
The
perfect
subdivision
is
the
one
with
some
climbing
rocks
in
it
a
few
boulders
for
the
kids
to
go
sit
on.
That
is
not
a
benefit
that
is
adding
nothing
to
this
particular
area.
So
there's
no
reason
to
pretend
that
this
is
some
major
benefit
and
they
need
these
zoning
variances,
so
it
asked
the
Commission
to
deny
them.
Thank
you.
W
B
You
there's
nobody
else
here
that
we
have
not
heard
from
that
would
like
to
speak
tonight,
okay,
so
moving
on
to
the
virtual
attendants,
if
you
are,
if
you
have
joined
us
virtually
and
you'd
like
to
speak
on
this
item
today,
it
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
and
we
will
just
start
at
the
top
and
work
our
way
down.
So
first
I
see
Cynthia
ray
Savage.
AF
It's
Cynthia
Russ
Savage!
Thank
you.
If
you
like
for
me,
spell
it
sare
sav
a
GE.
My
address
is
nine
eight
zero
one
West
Arabian
thrive,
Boise,
83,
709,
I'm,
high
I'm
opposed
to
the
traffic,
the
density
of
the
property
itself,
I'm
at
the
other
end
of
Mitchell
at
the
very
end
in
2018
it
was
a
dead-end
street
and
because
of
South
Creek
going
in,
they
did
put
it
through,
but
it
will
end
at
our
house.
Ac
HD
just
took
it
off
of
their
five-year
plan
about
it,
going
from
Arabian
drive
to
a
MIDI.
AF
It
will
never
go
through
I'm.
Not
only
do
I
care
about
how
many
more
cars
are
gonna
go
in
front
of
my
house
I'm
concerned
about
Mitchell
itself
in
the
five
year
plan
the
AC
HD
he
has.
There
is
no
plan
at
all
for
them
doing.
Any
improvements
currently
is
no
curbs,
no
gutters,
no
sidewalks,
so
the
children
that
have
to
wait
on
the
school
bus
have
to
wait
in
the
middle
of
the
street
at
7:00
a.m.
during
the
winter
and
there's
no
streetlight
and
it's
very
dangerous
and
we're
going
to
add
more
cars.
AF
Coming
up
through
there,
we
have
a
20
mile
per
hour.
Speed
limit
people
are
tailgating
me
all
the
time,
because
I
do
follow
the
20
miles
per
hour
because
you
never
know
who's
walking
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
walking
their
dogs,
their
children,
the
children
coming
to
school,
Amity
Elementary,
or
they
use
that
path
coming
down.
Mitchell
not
opposed
to
the
new
development
I'm
opposed
to
how
many
houses
are
going
in
there.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AG
AG
AH
AG
When
we
chose
our
home,
we
had
already
fallen
in
love
with
the
neighborhood
before
we
chose
it.
As
we
were
looking
for
a
house
on
arabian
the
speed
limit,
there
is
25
miles
an
hour
all
these
neighborhoods
that
are
being
built
that
are
New
York
25
miles
an
hour,
so
they're
coming
on
to
South
Mitchell,
which
is
not
a
subdivision.
AG
It's
semi
rural
and
I
have
not
seen
them
easily
transition
into
driving
through
a
semi-rural
neighborhood,
where
we
enjoy
people
riding
their
horses,
people
walking
down
on
the
street
as
well
as
all
the
kids
going
to
and
from
school.
We
find
a
lot
of
traffic
moms
and
dads
driving
their
children
down
south
Mitchell,
dropping
their
kids
off
at
the
back
school
and
then
driving
back
down
south
Mitchell
I
can't
believe
that
all
these
people
moving
into
this
new
subdivision,
would
turn
out
on
to
South
Mitchell
and
go
straight
to
victory.
AG
Basically,
I
have
no
problem
against
the
subdivision
going
in
yes,
the
state
is
growing,
people
want
to
move
in
here
we
have
to
provide
housing
and
it
appears
to
be
a
very
thoughtful
and
considerate
plan.
However,
you
came
and
walked
our
neighborhood.
It
is
nowhere
near
compatible
with
the
neighborhood,
we're
semi-rural
and
even
if
you
go
across
victory,
you've
got
a
neighborhood
that
is
not
nearly
as
congested
as
what
they're
proposing.
AG
Yes,
we
have
animals
and
cows,
and
we
like
it
that
way
and
I
chose
this
neighborhood
specifically
because,
when
I
moved
to
Idaho,
I
wanted
to
be
in
a
neighborhood
that
this
state
has
this
wonderful
selection
that
you
can
live
down
on
urban
or
you
can
live
in
the
county
and
have
a
semi-rural
neighborhood.
I
really
feel
this
would
negatively
impact
this
whole
area,
as
well
as
property
values,
as
well
as
safety
time.
AI
Did
you
hear
me
okay,
yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
say,
I
definitely
agree
with
what
Cynthia
said
about
the
traffic
and
the
speed
limit,
and
also
what
Barbara
said.
We
live
at
3600
South,
Mitchell
Street,
so
we
live
right
at
the
top
of
the
hill,
and
you
can't
see
when
somebody
is
stopped
on
the
side
of
the
road
you
can't
see
to
get
around
them
safely,
because
your
block,
your
vision,
is
blocked.
So
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
taken
that
in
consideration
the
speed
limit
since
the
South
Creek
subdivision
went
in
has
been
ridiculous.
AI
AI
We
thought
that
subdivision
as
well
and
use
the
Boise
comprehensive
plan
to
do
it
and
they
put
in
half
acre
lots
and
I
would
also
like
to
see
that
as
far
as
the
only
entrance
to
and
from
this
subdivision
is
going
to
beyond
Mitchell
what
happens
when
a
fire-engine
get
nice
get
in
there
and
an
ambulance
are
they
allowed
to
only
have
one
entrance
to
and
from
and
into
a
subdivision
as
for
safety?
Also,
Mitchell
is
two
lanes.
AI
So
when
you
go
down
at
the
end
of
Mitchell
to
turn
on
to
victory,
you
can
only
turn
either
right
or
left.
Of
course,
there
is
a
center
turn
lane,
but
it's
going
to
increase
accidents
because
I
mean
right
now,
like
Jill
said
you
wait,
you
know
five
or
six
minutes
just
to
get
out
there
onto
Mitchell
I
mean
on
to
victory.
Also,
since
we've
lived
here
since
2005
they've
changed
the
tie.
What
when
they're
gonna
widen
victory?
AI
B
AJ
Name
is
Todd:
Maris
I
live
at
nine,
six,
eight
to
Western,
Meadows
Court
I'm,
the
president
of
the
HOA
for
the
diamonte
subdivision,
my
wife
and
I
looked
for
homes
for
over
a
year.
The
diamonte
subdivision
is
a
new
subdivision.
My
home
is
10
months
old.
We
were
thrilled
to
find
a
place
in
Boise
where
we
could
build
a
new
home
and
have
space
in
between
the
houses
absolutely
thrilled.
AJ
The
music
subdivision.
The
problem
I
have
with
it
is
the
density
they
seem
to
want
to
identify
with
neighborhood
to
the
north
of
them,
which
is
on
the
other
side
of
Victory
Road,
which
is
this
the
most
significant
divider,
the
neighbors
that
are
the
most
adjacent
to
that
neighborhood
are
to
the
west
in
the
south,
and
the
east
and
the
smallest
Lots
are
half
acre.
They
go
one
acre.
Some
of
them
are
even
larger
and
so
I
do
not
believe
that
our
1b
is
an
appropriate
designation.
AJ
AK
Yes,
hello.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
Dustin
Patterson
and
I
live
at
96,
51,
West,
Rowan
Meadows
quirks
also
in
the
diamante
subdivision.
I
agree
with
what
has
been
said
already
by
my
neighbors
and
as
a
lifetime
resident
of
South,
West,
Boise
I'm,
also
just
very
concerned
about
the
traffic
increase
and
the
proposed
density
of
the
homes
in
the
new
music
subdivision.
AK
Really,
comparing
that
proposal
to
the
neighborhoods
that
are
in
the
area,
I
think
that
you'd
be
best
suited
to
compare
it
to
my
neighborhood,
the
diamante
one
and
I
echo.
What
Todd
said
we
bought
out
here
specifically
because
they
had
half
acre
lots
and
we
had
some
more
space
to
stretch
out
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
lot
better
comparison
than
the
neighborhood
that
you
find
to
the
to
the
north.
AK
X
AL
So
Elaine
Clegg
president
council,
Pro
Tem
as
often
evokes
the
process
that
was
used
to
bring
people
together,
neighborhood
concerns
and
developers
to
come
up
with
Barbara
Bali
plans
and
I.
Think
that's
why
now
we
are
only
hearing
about
what
color
is
the
pedestrian
the
pedestrian
be
can
be,
and-
and
you
saw
all
those
great
pathways
cycling
pathways
pedestrian
pathways
open
spaces
in
that
part
of
town.
Why
is
it
so
different
now?
Why
is
it
so
different
out
in
southwest
Boise
I?
Is
it
the
people
are
different,
you
know,
is
it?
AL
Is
it
just
worth
less
in
some
way,
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
think
we
really
think
any
of
those
things.
I
think
it's
just
history
and
I
think
we've
come
to
accept
that
people
in
certain
parts
of
Boise,
just
those
neighborhoods,
don't
deserve
on
some
level
the
same
amount
of
Karen
handling
from
during
the
whole
process.
So,
despite
all
of
your
very
good
questions
and
your
attention
now,
I
just
feel
it's
a
little
too
late.
AL
I
wish
that
so
many
of
these
issues
could
have
been
brought
up
between
the
neighborhood
and
a
developer,
with
Boise
planning
staff
really
upholding
the
livability
components
of
Boise
blueprint
for
this
area
of
town.
What
are
some
of
those
that
issue
brought
up
again
by
planning
and
zoning
commissioners
as
well
as
neighborhoods
about
the
laterals
and
the
trees?
Yes,
if
you
is
not
just
burying
the
laterals
you're,
also
piping
them
meeting
your
never
no
longer
get
the
groundwater
recharge.
Yes,
those
trees
will
die
that
pond
may
not
continue
to
be
full
of
water
either.
AL
In
the
winter,
unless
you
pump
water
to
it,
you
know
having
grown
up
in
similar
country,
myself
yeah.
This
is
what
we
have
here.
You
know
we
have
these
laterals.
We
have
these
ripe,
semi,
riparian
kinds
of
proxies
with
our
irrigation
systems.
It's
what
makes
these
areas
livable
to
us.
You
know
it
represents
a
lot
more,
so
I
really
hope
you
continue
to
listen
and
strive
to
preserve
those
elements.
AL
AM
AM
My
backyard
is
exactly
on
Mitchell
I'm
concerned
about
not
just
a
building
part
when
they
start
building
the
dust
and
and
the
pollution
and
everything
that
comes
from
that.
Obviously,
progress
has
to
be
made
and
a
lot
of
points
have
been
made.
That
are
very
good.
My
main
concern
is
the
only
entrance
into
that
neighborhood
into
that
new
neighborhood
and
the
density
of
the
house
is
there.
My
husband
happens
to
be
a
fireman
and
it
was
said
about
access
to
those
homes.
AM
I
know
there's
another
access
to
it
and
it
shouldn't
be
a
problem,
but,
let's
say
there's
a
fire:
I
mean
they're,
so
close
together
right
now.
That
is
a
problem.
If
those
people
want
to
get
out
in
a
rush,
you're
gonna
have
a
major
problem,
trying
to
get
everybody
out
on
one
Street,
even
if
there
is
another
egress
road
to
to
victory
or
to
other
places.
AM
AM
There
is
a
down
hill
road
and
it
Isis
up
in
the
winter,
and
people
I
mean
you're.
Gonna
have
accidents
there.
People
are
not
aware
of
that.
Also,
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
cut
through
our
diamonte
neighborhood
to
get
over
to
the
other
side,
and
just
do
a
quick,
quick.
You
know
get
home,
cutting
home,
so
cut
and
I
think
there
could
be
some
big
potential
for
accidents
with
children
in
our
neighborhood.
So
and
that's
the
part
besides
I
will
miss
the
peacock.
So
that's
my
five
cents.
AM
AA
B
AA
You
Kevin
Spiegel
by
nine
nine
zero
growing
Meadows
drive
my
wife
here
as
well.
We
just
logged
in
together,
so
I
guess
I'm
speaking
for
the
two
of
us.
If
that's
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
echo
what
everybody
else
has
his
product
was
concerned
so
far,
I
just
I
also
wanted
to
just
read
a
couple
of
things
off
of
the
excuse
me,
the
blueprint
for
Boise
about
Southwest
in
the
neighborhood
character
and
two
points
here.
AA
Point
one
is
to
encourage
the
use
of
public
parks
and
other
open
space
areas
as
community
farms
and
Gardens
to
preserve
the
rural
and
agricultural
heritage
of
the
Southwest,
which
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
about
in
agriculture.
In
this,
this
new
subdivision
there's
also
promoted
continuation
because
existing
agriculture
in
the
southwest
and
look
for
opportunities
to
expand
urban
agriculture
at
new
developments
and,
lastly,
open
fencing
and
other
design
features
shall
be
used
to
the
greatest
extent
feasible
to
retain
the
semi
rural
character
of
the
southwest.
S
AA
So
I
don't
see
how
you
could
how
you
can
even
say
that
it's
an
R,
1b
designation,
but
a
2/3
is
a
lots.
Don't
even
meet
the
requirements
for
that,
so
I
think
we'd
say
it's
r
1c,
which
doesn't
fit
into
the
large
lot
use
or
or
the
Lots
need
to
be
increase
in
their
size,
actually
meet
that
R,
&,
B,
designation
and
then
my
last
one
just
about
the
traffic.
AA
As
well
and
I
know,
we've
spoken
a
lot
about
how
will
impact
victory
but
I'm
just
as
concerned
about
how
it
will
impact
Mitchell
we've
got
it.
We've
got
two
kids
they're
they're
six
and
eat
right
now,
and
they
walk
to
school
to
home
the
elementary
well
when
school
is
in
session
and
and
the
amount
of
traffic
that
this
could
cause
on.
Mitchell
I,
just
I
just
be
worried
for
their
safety
as
they're
trying
to
walk
to
school.
There's
no
sidewalk,
there's
no
improvement.
It's
you
know
it's
not
a
super
wide
road.
It's
not!
AA
B
R
R
B
AN
Perfect,
hello,
everybody,
my
name
is
Elena
Cardwell
I
live
on
3:08
3,
South,
Linda
Vista
place,
also
in
diamante
subdivision,
and
just
like
many
of
my
neighbors
before
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
purchased
the
home
a
year
ago,
also
after
a
long
search
for
a
larger
lot
in
the
city
of
Boise,
where
we're
not
feeling
congested
and
squeezed
together.
So
we'll
love
where
we
are
and
my
backyard
will
be
actually
directly
behind
well
directly
across
Mitchell
from
music
subdivision.
AN
So
we
are
literally
backyard
is
facing
victory
and
Mitchell
intersection,
and
the
amount
of
traffic
is
a
huge,
huge
concern
for
us
we're.
Basically
looking
at
what
roughly
60
homes,
everybody
will
have
two
to
four
cars.
So
I
cannot
even
imagine
a
hundred
and
eighty
cars
coming
in
and
out
every
day
to
go
to
work
and
take
care
in
school.
So
that
is
our
main
point
and
main
concern
and
I'll
I
agree
with
everything.
That's
been
said
before.
Thank
you.
E
E
B
E
E
E
B
E
B
E
B
AO
I'm
Steeve
Hamlet
I've
got
my
wife
Rebecca
with
me.
We
live
at
three
two
one:
seven
South
Linda
Vista
Avenue
in
the
diamantes
subdivision
and
like
our
other
neighbors
in
here,
we
we
were
looking
for
more
space
to
it'll.
Just
not
have
our
neighbors
on
top
of
us,
so
I
mean.
Are
we
share
this
concerns
that
everybody
else
is
expressed
so
far,
but
it's
mostly
just
the
density
of
that
so
division.
AO
That
kind
of
concerns
us
and
consequently,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
traffic
will
end
up
diverting
through
our
subdivision
to
get
out
to
victory,
I
mean
it's.
We
get
a
lot
of
people
speeding
through
here
already
I
mean
I,
know,
there's
been
complaints
about
road
meadows
too,
but
I
mean
we've
got
small
children
in
here
now
and
they
continually
have
people
blowing
past
our
house
trying
to
get
around
that
corner
and
Victoria
Mitchell.
AO
B
You,
mr.
Hamlet,
we
have
quite
a
few
people
who
didn't
raise
their
hands,
but
I
have
their
names
on
this
sheet.
So
if
you
still
would
like
to
speak,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
I
will
go
down
this
list
and
call
out
names,
but
we'd
like
to
see
that
virtual
hand
raised
so
first
on
this
list,
I
have
Allison
Hawes
awesome.
Would
you
like
to
speak.
AP
AP
We
are
at
99,
80,
West,
Rhone,
Meadows,
Drive
and
then,
like
everyone
else,
we
bought
here
because
of
the
location
and
the
rural
feel
of
not
being
on
top
of
our
neighbors
and
the
privacy
is
huge,
so
I'm
glad
to
see
that
they're
planning
on
keeping
those
trees
but
safety
and
having
that
one
entrance
and
to
set
so
many
homes
with
so
many
extra
cars
and
fam.
You
know
family
members
and
mostly
you
know,
you're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
teenagers
driving
in
and
out
of
there
to
fire
issues.
B
A
B
Going
to
add
the
telephone
number
and
a
meeting
ID
to
the
chat,
if
you
are
there
on
public
you're
having
any
audio
difficulties,
please
feel
free
to
go
ahead
and
call
in
and
then,
if
you
can
virtually
raise
your
hand,
we'll
know
that
you
want
to
speak
next
on
the
list.
I
have
is
Francis
Smith.
Do
we
have
a
Francis
Smith
I
would
like
to
speak
tonight.
C
B
H
Darrington,
ninety
to
ninety
West
Lyle
Street
and
we've
lived
here
for
27
years.
Our
street
is
a
dead-end
street
and
several
years
ago
a
developer
bought
twelve
acres
at
the
end
of
our
street
and
wanted
to
put
in
for
TE
some
houses
with
only
one
entrance,
and
that
was
Lisle
Street
and
we
went
through
the
process
through
Boise
City
and
ADA
County
Commissioners
and
it's
been
a
long
process.
H
But
I
would
like
to
say
that
the
developer
has
just
put
in
three
three
acre
homes
actually
for
for
three
acre
homes
in
those
twelve
acres
that
he
originally
wanted
to
put
forty
on
and
the
Boise
Comprehensive
Plan
the
City
Council
back
then
this
has
been
almost
10
years
ago.
We've
been
through
this
process
and
they
definitely
wanted
less
density.
They
suggested
half
acre
to
one
acre
lots
and
it's
been
a
long
long
time
coming,
but
there
are
people
out
there
who
want
larger
acreages
and
our
street,
which
is
just
down
the
road
from
Mitchell.
B
B
AR
Glenda
Jenkins
and
we
live
at
31,
72,
Black,
Hills,
Drive
and
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said
against
the
current
plan.
The
density
is
too
high,
it
should
be
a
half
acre
lots
and
we
have
lived
at
our
house
since
1983
and
we've
seen
the
traffic
just
explode
and
we
are
worried
about
the
cars
having
problem
getting
out
on
Mitchell
to
victory
and
dealing
with
that
intersection
and
so
coming
down.
Rhone
meadows
and
coming
past,
our
house
on
Black
Hills
to
get
out
to
victory
and
it's
just
not
going
to
be
a
safe
situation.
B
AS
There,
my
can
you
hear
me.
Yes,
okay,
my
name
is
Michelle
in
ski
by
Libba
3080
South
Linda
Vista
place
my
husband
and
I.
We
actually
purchased
the
original
home
from
the
diamante
lot,
and
so
I
know
that
the
original
home
could
be
purchased
if
it
were
put
up
for
sale.
I
know
it's
possible
I'm
disappointed
with
mr.
Gillespie.
He
kind
of
shrugged
at
the
current
zoning.
That's
listed
and
kind
of
wanted
to
waver
from
that
I
do
agree
with
my
neighbors
I
want
to
especially
address
the
school
issue.
AS
All
of
the
schools,
Amity
Elementary,
West
junior
high
school,
that
amedy
feeds
in
and
Borah
high
school
that
both
of
those
feed
into
are
some
of
the
highest
populated
schools
and
the
City
of
Boise,
and
that
just
a
state
that
the
average
lots
lies
listed
is
not
accurate.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
B
A
A
C
C
AM
B
Thank
You,
Melina,
okay,
so
then
Chester
ball.
U
AT
My
name
is
Betty
Berman
solo
and
I
live
at
1970,
Canon
Arroway
in
Boise
and
I'm
approximately
a
mile
from
the
property
I'm.
Sorry
I,
haven't
I,
didn't
know
that
I'd
be
back
in
time
to
follow
the
meeting,
but
I
I
wanted
to
add
that
for
years,
developers
have
used
transitional
lot
sizes
more
effectively
than
this
developer
has
and
in
other
words,
I
live
in
a
I
live
in
a
five
acre
subdivision
and
and
against
me,
as
Boulder,
Creek
and
and
pepper
hills,
and
up
against
our
five
acre
parcels.
AT
They
put
one
acre
and
then
half
acre
no
problems
with
accommodating
the
number
of
people
that
are
coming
to
to
Boise
in
looking
for
diversity
and
looking
for
something
that
they
might
not
find
in
other
parts
of
Boise.
And
it's.
It
really
is
a
limited
availability
of
the
kind
of
privacy
and
rural
feeling
that
could
be
offered
by
Boise.
AT
But
you
know
the
developers
have
to
look
at
that,
and-
and
certainly
the
easiest
way
to
do,
this
is
to
put
larger
Lots
against
existing
large
lot.
Development
and
I
think
that
there
certainly
is
an
opportunity
in
supposition,
and
certainly
the
music
subdivision
is
one
where
this
could
decrease
the
density.
AT
The
zoning
as
I
understand.
It
means
that
you
can
go
from
1
to
8
or
1
to
5.
You
can
start
with
1
lot
in
that
zone.
You
don't
have
to
go
to
the
highest
allowed
density
for
that
zone,
so
there's
lots
of
options
that
the
Commission
has.
That
I
think
need
to
be
thought
about
tonight
and
I
would
certainly
appreciate
a
very
cautious
decision
when
you
look
at
approving
this
division
as
it
bans.
Thank
you
thank.
B
A
L
B
We're
gonna
start
up
again
now:
I'm
gonna
call.
We
will
call
one
more
time
on
people
who
have
signed
up
that
we
have
not
heard
from
yet
and
that
we
know
are
on
the
line
and
we
as
a
commission
are
particularly
interested
in
any
new
information
outside
of
the
traffic
and
density
comments
that
we've
heard.
B
B
What
about
Megan,
Armstrong.
AU
Abigail
ocinski
nine
665,
Western,
Meadows,
Court,
Boise,
Idaho
I'm,
also
in
the
diamante
subdivision
and
I
just
would
like
to
agree
with
what
everybody
said
about
the
density
concerns
and
overloading
the
schools
and
the
traffic,
and
all
of
those
things
are
very.
Concerning
I
also
have
two
little
children
and
I:
don't
want
them
driving
through
our
subdivision
to
try
to
avoid
traffic
because
that
would
be
unsafe
for
our
children.
AU
A
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
in
terms
of
rebuttal
again
Heath
Clark,
251,
East,
Front,
Street
I'll,
try
to
hit
a
couple
of
items
and
then
wrap
up,
I
think
on
the
items
that
were
most
that
we
heard
the
most
about.
So,
with
regard
to
the
the
3-story
question,
we
did
make
the
representation
on
the
record.
That
is
a
commitment
and
if,
if
folks
are
more
comfortable
with
that
being
a
condition
of
approval
or
more
than
happy
to
include
that
with
regard
to
emergency
access,
we
have
provided
all
required
accesses
to
meet
code.
N
N
In
addition
to
that,
there's
at
least
300
new
trees
that
will
be
planted.
Trees,
of
course,
will
be
on
irrigated
common
areas
so
or
within
irrigated
portions
Lots.
Now,
with
regard
to
the
question
of
what
happens
after
the
developer
leaves,
trees
are
very
expensive
to
take
down.
You
know.
Landowners
are
not
going
to
take
those
down
willy-nilly
unless
they
have
to.
N
You
know
one
thing
that,
as
we
were
talking
about
it,
while
we
were
listening
to
the
testimony
that
you
know,
maybe
it
might
be
something
that
we
could
explore
is
having
a
provision
in
the
CC
NRS
that
speaks
to
mature
trees
being
removed.
Only
if
an
arborist
notes
that
they're
at
their
end-of-life
or
deceased,
that's
something
that
we
could
include
in
CC,
NRS
I
think
would
be
something
that
could
be
functional.
I,
don't
think
anything
beyond
that
would
be
functional.
N
With
regard
to
the
pond,
there
were
some
pretty
kind
of
direct
testimony,
suggesting
that
were
stuck
with
it
just
for
reference
there
used
to
be
three
ponds
out
there.
The
current
landowner
has
already
filled
two.
There
is
no
requirement
that
we
keep
that
pond
and
mr.
Dunphy
was
exactly
correct.
You
know
that
pond
was
previously.
A
private
amenity.
Wasn't
wasn't
something
that
the
public
had
access
to.
N
This
is
now
something
that
the
public
will
have
access
to
through
the
trail
system
that
we
are
proposing,
and
you
know
we
think
that's
a
great
amenity
and
to
go
back
to
the
PUD
topic.
That
is
something
that
the
PUD
allows
us
to
provide
with
regard
to
traffic.
We
will
be
dedicating
additional
right-of-way
along
Victory,
Road
and
building
a
left
turn
lane
on
Mitchell
and
then
I'll
just
also
point
out
that
the
you
know
this
is
a
CH
D
staff
report.
N
With
regard
to
the
r1b
zoning.
Again,
r1b
is
an
approved
zone
within
the
large
lot
category
of
blueprint
voice.
We
agree
with
staff
that
this
zoning
designation
is
appropriate
for
property,
that
is,
at
the
intersection
of
the
suburban
and
large
lot
dent
categories
on
in
blueprint
Boise
and
is
on
a
significant
transportation
corridor.
Even
with
the
PUD
that's
proposed,
we
remain
within
the
r1b
density
range
now,
I'll
just
point
out
now,
mrs.
N
Proportionally
we
are
not
that
extreme
and
we
don't
create
even
that
much
contrast.
Our
Lots
on
the
southern
boundary
are
larger
than
what
that
proportion
would
dictate.
So
let
me
just
end
with
one
note:
I've
heard
the
Kahn,
the
term
Smart
Growth
used
a
couple
of
times
during
the
courses
of
this
evening.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
you
know.
We
should
go
to
half
acre
lots
and
then
that
should
be
the
end
of
it.
So
but
I
think
it
begs
the
question
of
what
is
Smart
Growth
Smart
Growth
is
infill.
N
Smart
Growth
is
development
near
transportation
corridors,
its
development
near
existing
city
services,
with
densities
that
a
city
can
efficiently
serve
half
acre
lots
on
a
significant
transportation
corridor
is
not
Smart
Growth,
so
I
will
just
leave
it
at
that,
and
we
think
that
we
have
addressed
the
requirements
for
this
application
under
city
code.
We
think
we've
proposed
something
that
appropriately
transitions
and
we
would
ask
for
a
recommendation
of
approval.
N
B
K
K
Lots
of
good
points
this
evening,
both
for
and
against,
obviously
by
my
motion,
I'm
tending
towards
approval
I,
do
feel
that
the
r1b
zoning
is
appropriate
for
this.
This
property,
as
we
are
in
a
transition
between
a
two
County
and
City
of
Boise
I,
feel
like
the
applicant,
has
addressed
the
transition
between
lot
sizes,
pretty
effectively
large
lots
on
the
south
boundary
buffering
to
the
larger
properties
to
the
south
and
then
in
general,
I
think
matching
the
lot
sizes
across
victory
to
the
north.
K
There
was
quite
a
quite
a
bit
of
obviously
testimony
in
regards
to
the
buffering
or
the
feel
of
the
development
and
spent
a
lot
quite
a
bit
of
time
discussing
the
buffer
on
the
south
side
of
the
site.
But
what
was
neglected
was
the
fact
that
there
are
gonna,
be
30-foot
landscape,
buffers
along
Mitchell
and
victory
roads.
Well,
in
addition
to
that
along
Mitchell
you're
also
going
to
get
a
sidewalk
a
detached
sidewalk
with
curb
and
gutter.
So
I
think
that
the
connectivity
issue
has
been
dealt
with
by
the
applicant
I.
K
Think
that
if
you
look
at
the
site
now,
with
the
exception
of
the
large
trees
on
the
South
property
line,
there
are
really
no
trees
at
all
or
landscape
on
Mitchell
or
Victory
Road.
So
my
view
is
that,
even
though
there
are
going
to
be
potentially
60
homes,
67
homes
in
this
development
there's
also
gonna,
be
a
30-foot
landscape
buffer
separating
those
homes
from
the
street
and
from
the
neighboring
subdivisions.
K
So
to
me,
I
feel
like
that's
exactly
what
we
have
landscape
buffers
so
in
a
condition
like
this,
where
we're
replacing
farmland
more
agree
uses
with
development,
those
landscape
buffers
help
to
protect
the
neighboring
popular
correct,
so
I
join
that
point.
Secondarily,
you
know
the
applicant
spoke
to
this
towards
the
end
of
testimony
that
you
know
fire
access
has
been
dealt
with.
K
They
are
providing
the
required
emergency
access
points
into
the
site
and
I
do
agree
with
the
applicant
that
the
pond
currently
is
a
piece
of
private
property
and
now
you're
going
to
have
a
subdivision
with
sidewalks
and
connectivity
to
that
pond
that
allow
neighbors
in
neighboring
subdivisions
to
walk
into
that
neighborhood
and
through
that
common,
open
area.
So
I
do
agree
with
the
applicant
in
that,
in
that
instance,
I.
S
K
Think
that
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
downsizing.
We
heard
a
lot
of
testimony
from
neighbors
that
love
this
neighborhood
okay
allows
neighbors
love
this
neighborhood
because
they
live
on
half
acre
lots
or
one
acre
lots.
So
what
happens?
Ten
twenty
three
forty
years
down
the
road
they
they
want
to
stay
in
the
neighborhood,
but
they
can't
maintain
their
property
more
well.
Y
Y
There's
no
guarantee
how
long
that
pond
is
going
to
stick
around
anyway,
as
was
made
very
clear
by
the
applicant
and
by
mr.
Dunkley.
Furthermore,
the
proposal
does
not
conform
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
so,
while
that's
occasionally
or
often
viewed
as
does
just
a
guideline
I
in
this
case,
we've
got
an
application
that
goes
against
both
the
code
and
the
comp
plan,
and
that
makes
it
untenable.
I've
heard
many
many
of
the
neighbors
support
a
subdivision
here,
a
subdivision
that
respects
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
the
character
of
the
area.
Y
L
L
The
issue
here
is
traffic
and
also
sort
of
this
Amorphis
issue
of
of
there's
just
too
much
density
and
when
you
try
and
drill
down
and
what
exactly
people
are
worried
about
like
what
is
the
actual
adverse
impact
of
that
density.
We
heard
things
like
privacy.
We
heard
things
like
concern
about
neighbors,
not
or
cleaning
about
animals.
L
We
heard
concern
about
safety
of
children.
We
heard
concern
about.
You,
know
irrigation
and
drainage.
Some
of
those
concerns
don't
go
away
if
we
reduce
the
density
right.
So
the
you
know,
if
we
put
this
all
our
1a
or
our
1b
and
made
them
conform
to
those
zoning
requirements,
there
would
still
be
big
changes
on
this
property
one
way
or
the
other,
with
respect
to
some
of
the
wildlife
issues,
and
just
the
idea
that
there's
18
open
acres
right
that
that's
gonna
go
away
either
way.
L
So
the
question
I'm
struggling
with
is
what's
the
marginal
adverse
impact
of
the
extra
20
or
25
houses
that
go
in
in
the
middle
of
this
thing,
because,
along
that
southern
boundary,
the
applicants
right
I
mean
they're
gonna
be
9.
There
are
currently
nine
lots
to
the
south
and
he
is
proposing
14
Lots
facing
those
nine.
So
that's
a
ratio
of
one
point:
five,
five
new
Lots
facing
the
nine
old
Lots.
L
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
understand
that
that,
in
and
of
itself
creates
a
big
transition
issue,
so
I'm
struggling
to
figure
out
exactly
what
the
difference
is
in
terms
of
adverse
impact
between,
let's
say
the
67
that
they
proposed
and
if
we
made
him
go
back
and
stick
to
the
r1b
lot
sizes,
it
would
go
down
to
40,
say
I'm
just
guessing,
but
does
that
40
really
mitigate
the
concerns?
The
neighbors
had
they'd
still
have
the
same
concerns
so
I'm
struggling
with
that
I'd
like
to
hear
other
folks
thinking,
I.
Z
By
saying
that
I
think,
since
people
were
able
to
attend
by
telephone
I
think
this
has
been
open
to
the
public
and
I'm
very
comfortable
with
moving
forward.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record,
as
well
as
complimenting
staff
and
in
our
chair
with
regard
to
the
lot
sizes.
You
know
we
I
struggle
with
this
too
and
I.
Think
Commissioner
Gillespie
has
done
a
really
good
job
of
sort
of
laying
that
question
out
there
of
like.
Z
Well,
so,
let's
bring
it
down
to
40,
whatever
the
number
would
be
if
we
just
kept
a
straight
r1
B
and,
as
always
happens
almost
always
when
we
talk
about
a
PUD
application.
We're
talking
about
what
would
ultimately
result
most
likely
in
a
cookie.
What
is
a
truly
cookie
cutter
subdivision,
so
we
wouldn't
have
the
the
type
of
transition.
Z
You
know
that
that
relates
to
and
talks
to
the
context
of,
what's
around
it,
we
wouldn't
most
likely
have
you
know
a
path
going
through
it,
because
it
is
the
PUD
process
is
all
about
this
trade-off
between
you
get
a
little
extra
density
so
that
you
create
amenities,
and
it
is
more
than
I'm,
going
to
respectfully
disagree
with
the
neighborhood
person
who
said
it's
just
boulders:
it's
not
just
boulders.
There
is
a
palm
there.
Z
Well,
the
trade-off
for
density
is
to
have
what
really
amounts
to
a
nicer
subdivision
and
if
we
were
to
plat
this
in
a
normal
r1b
and
we
just
stuck
a
grid
on
top
of
it
and
didn't
have
the
Mandarin
path
and
didn't
have
some
of
the
other
things
that
come
with
with
what's
in
front
of
us
tonight,
I
think
we'd
actually
end
up
with
fewer
trees,
and
you
know
some
other
some
other
problems
and
we
certainly
wouldn't
have
the
pond.
So
you
know
I,
look
at
the
location
here
and
I.
Z
Z
G
Didn't
want
to
step
on
my
other
commissioners,
but
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
came
out
tonight
in
whatever
setting
you
came
out,
whether
it
was
the
City
Hall
or
whether
it
was
call
in
or
participate
virtually
just
to
cut
to
the
chase.
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
I'm
really
not
wedded
to
the
separated
sidewalks
one
way
or
the
other.
It's
probably
not
something.
G
That's
really
needed
within
a
subdivision
with
this
type
of
access,
but
just
to
cover
a
couple
of
points
and
Commissioner
Gillespie
really
touched
on
the
most
important
one,
which
is
I
over
whelming
Lee.
My
sense
is
that
the
neighbors,
the
neighbors
first
preference
would
be
to
have
nothing
happen
at
all.
Second
preference
would
be
to
have
it
half
acre
lots,
which
is
that
just
to
be
frank
in
this
day
and
age
in
anything,
that's
in
the
city
of
boy
sees
area
of
impact.
G
Don't
think
they
would
be
happy
either
so
I
just
cannot
see
not
allowing
this
project
to
go
forward
and
its
current
manner,
just
because
I
think
at
that
point
we're
just
we're
still
gonna
end
up
with
people
having
all
the
exact
same
concerns
that
said
I'm,
not
at
all
concerned
with
the
traffic
heading
south,
because
Mitchell
doesn't
go
through.
So
that's
not
something
that
I
believe
is
a
problem.
I
think
it's
highly
unlikely
that
there's
going
to
be
an
cut
through
traffic
through
diamante.
G
Looking
at
the
way
that
is
set
up,
you
would
have
to
exit.
This
proposed
subdivision
make
one
two
three
four
hard
90-degree
turns
to
cut
through
that
neighborhood
and
I
can't
see
anybody
doing
that
frankly,
that
just
doesn't
and
I'm
very
sensitive
to
traffic
I
live
on
the
Borah
cut
through
street
we
have
2,000
cars
a
day.
Our
families
lived
in
this
house
for
29
years
were
finally
getting
speed,
bumps
on
our
street
after
29
years
to
slow
down
the
Borah
speedsters,
so
I
get
traffic
concerns
and
I
get
children.
G
Safety
concerns
I,
don't
see
any
concerns
on
that
southern
side.
You've
got
one
with
the
buffer
of
trees
to
the
houses
that
are
on
west
Rhone.
Meadows
Drive
are
set
to
to
the
front
of
them:
Lots
closest
to
west
Rhone
Meadow
Drive,
Ins,
you're
gonna
have
with
the
backyard
setbacks
proposed
in
this
proposed
subdivision.
Here,
I
mean
you're
gonna.
Have
these
huge
buffers
so
I
just
can't
see.
G
AV
More
I
just
like
to
say
as
well
just
the
way
the
developers
approach
this
with
those
larger
Lots
kind
of
on
that
southern
border,
keeping
that
the
existing
house
some
large
lot
there
and
the
pond
as
well.
Some
of
those
things
they
kind
of
help
help
it
feel
more
like
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
while
still
getting
a
little
bit
more
density,
but
by
even
though
some
of
the
dimensions
might
resemble
an
r1c
zone
by
zoning
it
as
r1b.
There's
still
limiting
that
density
to
a
four
point.
AV
Eight
units
per
acre
instead
of
the
eight
units
per
acre
that
would
be
required
that
would
be
allowed
under
our
one
C
zone.
So
by
placing
it
our
1b
and
maybe
in
smaller
Lots,
to
resemble
you're
still
limiting
your
density
and
you're
still
kind
of
alleviating
some
of
those
concerns.
In
addition
to
some
of
those
larger
Lots
that
aren't
are
online
on
those
southern
got.
Southern
border
too
so
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
because
of
those
efforts
to
kind
of
help
alleviate,
but
also
help
transition.
AH
Madam
chair
mr.
squares
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
as
well.
I
would
like
to
thank
the
developer,
particularly
for
what
he
has
agreed
to
do
along
the
southern
boundary,
with
a
lot
sizes
that
backs
the
home
heights.
The
trees
working
with
the
irrigation
I
think
this
is
a
well-thought-out
plan.
The
only
thing
that
I
wish
that
we
could
potentially
move
forward
with
is
the
detached
sidewalks
I
will
always
advocate
for
detached
sidewalks.
AH
B
Y
It's
not
like
we're
talking
about
small
differences
in
lot
sizes,
we're
talking
about
9,000
to
5,000.
Now
my
belief
was
that
we've
got
things
written
in
the
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan
to
guide
us.
I've
heard
discussion
that
well
gee.
If
we
expand
the
lot
sizes,
it's
gonna
make
it
worse.
I
got
that
one
totally
baffles
me.
That's
beyond
my
my
mic-n
there
and
I
haven't
heard
a
compelling
I've
heard
people
ask
gee.
How
is
how
our
smaller
lot
sizes
going
to
material
affect
your
life?
Y
Well,
it's
character
of
the
neighborhood
comp
plan
relies
heavily
on
defining
characters
of
neighborhoods.
The
other
question
that
hasn't
been
asked
nearly
enough
is
gee.
If
you
went
with
something
that
actually
conformed
to
r1b
things
would
be
hunky-dory.
It's
a
compromise.
Yes,
the
neighbors
would
love
to
see.
Half
acre
lots.
Sorry,
that's
not
that's
not
where
we
are
right
now
as
a
city,
okay
and
obviously
the
developer
would
like
to
get
as
many
as
many
of
those
Lots
in
there
as
possible.
Mr.
Clarke
said
he'd
like
to
understand.
Y
If
we
didn't
like
it-
or
in
this
case
me
I
guess
if
we
didn't
like
it,
what
should
he
do
differently
and
that's
easy?
That's
very
straightforward
replay,
that's
something
that
conforms
to
r1b,
not
asking
for
moving
mountains
here,
but
we've
got
I,
think
Commissioner
Gillespie.
He
said
it
was
about
47
lots,
or
so
we
give
or
take
okay
over
40
lots
that
are
significantly
differ
from
r1b,
and
that's
that's
what
the
change
would
be.
That
would
be
the
change
we'd
ask
of
mr.
Y
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
just
had
my
own
thoughts
here.
I
do
also
want
to
thank
staff.
This
is
in
my
couple
of
years
of
experience
on
the
Commission.
This
has
been
our
most
accessible
meeting.
Phone
email
online
and
in
person
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
think
as
the
developer
mentioned,
and
this
is
smart
growth,
we
we
aren't
having
to
extend
services
and
we
are
fulfilling
the
city's
core,
our
housing
initiative,
and
with
this
plan
we
need
to
offer
housing
options
in
every
neighborhood,
Big
Lots.
B
B
Think
with
that
we
can
call
for
the
vote.
So
we
have
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
for
C
AR
25,
also
force
sub-20
9,
and
a
motion
to
approve
pewdie
20-13,
with
the
added
conditions
of
approval
of
a
tree
MIT
plan
for
the
project
and
remove
condition
number
four
on
the
detached
sidewalks
can
the
clerk
please
call
them
out
instead,
I
show.