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Monday, July 11, 2022 at 5:30 PM MDT
A
But
we've
got
to
be
focused
on
helping
people
with
solve
the
problems
that
they're
facing
and
so
and
the
good
news
is
the
plan.
The
department
of
planning
and
development
services
for
the
city
of
boise
has
a
has
a
lot
of
very
dedicated
people
that
that
you
know
do
this
kind
of
thing
every
day
and,
and
one
thing
we'll
be
looking
at,
is
how
we
can
improve
our
processes
such
that
you
know.
A
The
people
that
work
within
pds
have
the
best
possible
environment
to
work
in,
and
the
least
frustrating
environment,
to
work
in
and
equally
as
important
or
more
so
that
residents
of
the
city
have
processes
that
are
as
simple
to
understand
as
possible
and
and
that
those
processes
are
consistently
and
predictably
applied.
And
so
that's
one
category
of
things
and
the
second
is
related
to
just
the
growth
of
the
city
and
the
things
that
you
deal
with
on
a
monthly
basis
and
and
the
interest
being.
A
Is
it
possible
for
boise
to
learn
from
the
troubles
that
so
many
cities
have
had,
and
I
happen
to
come
from
a
city?
That's
seen
all
of
those
over
the
past
seven
years.
I
was
in
a
city
that
really
went
through
this
kind
of
period
in
the
70s
and
80s
and
and
made
certain
choices
about
how
it
grew.
That
has
led
to
really
most
of
the
problems
that
it's
now
facing,
and
it
would
be
incredibly
unfortunate
if
boise
moved
in
that
same
direction
as
a
city.
A
And
these
kinds
of
things-
and
you
know,
is
it
possible
for
us
as
a
city
to
to
make
different
decisions
that
that
result
in
boise
becoming
a
better
and
better
city
in
the
ways
that
people
get
so
frustrated
about
when
it
comes
to
cities
and
and
and
that's
not
a
certainly,
not
a
no
growth
or
limited
growth
kind
of
scenario?
In
my
mind,
it's
a
the
pattern
of
growth.
A
You
know
how
are
we
growing
and
is
it
towards
a
city
that
people
understand
and
are
compelled
by
and
feel
will
as
a
much
larger
city
be
a
better
place
to
live,
because
those
big
issues
have
been
addressed
through
the
growth
that
we're
enabling,
and
so
we
have
some
things
going
on
right
now,
which
are
fundamental
to
this.
As
you
know,
the
the
rewrite
of
the
zoning
ordinance
is
a
big
one.
I
feel
strongly.
We
need
to
revisit
what
the
plan
is
for
the
city.
You
know
the
comprehensive
plan
is
quite
old.
A
So
I
want
to
finish
by
thanking
you
for
the
service
you
provide
to
the
city.
The
the
volunteer
work
that
you
do
for
the
residents
of
boise
is
in
the
category
of
of
extreme
public
service.
You
know
to
to
spend
the
time
that
you
do
at
these
meetings
and
reviewing
these
applications
and
helping
people
through
very
emotional
processes
related
to
how
their
land
is
used
and
how
their
neighbor's
land
is
used.
As
a
is
a
is
a
a
task
that
deserves
thanks
all
the
time.
A
A
C
C
Nice
to
meet
you
tim,
I
guess
the
one
question
I
have
for
you,
you
mentioned
you,
know
the
zoning
rewrite
and
that
is
very
controversial.
I've
been
paying
attention
to
some
of
the
public
commentary
over
the
past
year
and
a
half
or
so
I
feel
very
strongly,
and
it
sounds
like
you
do
too
that
the
comp
plan
needs
to
be
updated
at
the
same
time,
but
that
is
currently
not
the
process.
A
Well,
a
couple
things,
a
great
question:
let
me
answer
it
in
a
few
ways.
The
first
part
of
my
answer
will
be
that
starting
thursday
this
week
we're
going
to
have
three
public
forums
over
the
next.
I
guess
it's
10
days
or
so
related
to
the
zoning
rewrite
after
going
through
that
last
round
of
public
meetings,
we
really
stepped
back
and
said.
A
You
know
how
is
the
public,
what
is
the
public
direction
on
the
zoning
rewrite
and
have
made
some
really
significant
changes
to
what
we're
proposing
in
the
zoning
rewrite
and-
and
I
would
categorize
it
as
taking
what
was
a
fairly
generic
set
of
recommendations
in
the
first
modules,
one
and
two
basically
applying
a
somewhat
one-size-fits-all
kind
of
solution
to
these
issues,
and
I
think
what
you'll
see
in
this
new
version
is
a
serious
attempt
and
a
quite
successful
attempt
to
tie
the
regulations
to
the
physical
place.
That
is
this
city.
A
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
effort
around
where
density
should
be
and
where
it
shouldn't
be,
how
how
we
have
a
variety
of
neighborhoods
that
should
be
which
make
the
city
what
it
is
and
that
shouldn't
be
ignored
and
we've
got
to
find
more
precise
ways
to
accomplish
some
of
the
things
that
that
were
seen
as
priorities
as
the
public
process
started
around
modules,
one
and
two.
So
the
first
part
of
the
answer
is,
I
think,
you're
going
to
see
a
very
different
kind
of
direction
for
the
zoning
rewrite.
A
A
The
blueprint
boise,
however,
is
the
comprehensive
plan.
As
you
know,
and
mentioned
that
that
the
city
currently
works
within,
we
are
beginning
a
process
right
now.
We
actually
started
in
june
around
an
update
to
the
city's
plan,
and
so
that
is
beginning
now
and
and
it
will,
it
will
pick
up
some
speed.
So
it's
going
to
help
with
the
conversations
related
to
the
zoning
rewrite,
because
the
zoning
rewrite
we
still
have
public
meetings
to
go.
We
still
have
the
third
module
to
do.
A
It
won't
be
until
the
spring
of
next
year,
before
we're
really
in
an
official
process
to
approve
the
zoning
rewrite.
So
we
will
have
a
time
to
to
you
know
to
have
the
plan
part
of
it
kind
of
catch
up
to
some
degree
with
the
zoning
rewrite,
but
but
I
will
say
that
having
been
very
involved
in
the
where
the
zoning
rewrite
is
now
we'll
be
able
to
make
these
recommendations
on
the
new
direction.
B
B
B
D
Okay,
great
first
of
all,
tim
welcome
to
boise
nice
to
see
you
again
just
one
quick
question:
I'd
like
to
rewind
back
to
your
comments
about,
I
think
atlanta
and
some
other
cities.
Very
briefly.
What
one
or
two
key
lessons
learned,
because
you
mentioned
the
mistakes
made
in
the
70s
and
80s
in
those
cities.
What
are
the
one
or
two
key
lessons
coming
out
of
that
experience,
that
you
think
we
should
have
top
of
our
mind
here
in
boise.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
The
first
two
I
would
mention
are
if
you
look
at
the
regional
growth
and
and
I'll
relate
this
to
atlanta,
but
you
could
say
the
very
same
thing
about
just
about
every
american
city
and
we
have
a
neighbor
to
the
south
that
you
could
say
this
about
in
utah
during
the
period
of
rapid
growth.
In
these
places,
the
regional
population
goes
up
dramatically
and
the
population
of
the
city
stays
static.
A
I
mean
it's
as
flat
as
it
can
be,
and
in
both
of
those
two
cases.
That
is
exactly
what
happened
and
in
atlanta's
case
I'll,
give
you
the
numbers
and
salt
lake
cities
numbers
in
atlanta's
case
in
1970,
the
regional
population
was
1.8
million
people,
and
the
city's
population
was
496
000
people
to
now
the
region
is
over.
A
6
million
people
and
the
city's
population
is
498,
000
people,
so
in
in
the
in
the
case
of
of
of
salt
lake
city
in
1970,
the
city's
population
was
300,
000
or
I'm
sorry,
200,
000
or
so
people
right
in
that
200
000
area
and
the
regional
population
was,
I
think,
less
than
a
million.
And
now
it's
more
than
2
million
and
the
city's
population
remains
at
200
000
people.
A
So
I
mentioned
that
as
one
thing,
because
that
has
implications
in
so
many
ways,
but
the
way
that
they
occupied
the
land
is
is
is
the
first
issue
which
resulted
in
so
many
of
the
problems
that
that
they
have.
So
that's
one
and
the
second
piece
that
obviously
goes
hand
in
hand
with
this
is
that
they
made
a
decision
at
the
formative
period
in
their
existence
that
everyone
would
drive
to
do
everything
I
mean
that
there
would
be
there
would
be.
A
That
would
be
the
commitment
from
a
transportation
standpoint.
We
are
committed
to
everyone
driving
to
do
everything
and
in
both
those
cases
during
their
formative
period,
when,
when
you
had
your
chance,
that
was
the
decision
and
so
now
what's
happening
in
many
places,
not
just
those
is
you're
trying
to
undo
the
damage.
That's
been
done
by
a
generational
investment
in
one
mode
of
transportation.
That
is
the
second
big
one,
and-
and
you
know
honestly,
you
have
to
be
worried
about
that,
because
there's
a
feeling,
I
think,
there's
a
there's.
A
A
E
E
A
A
A
So
I
think
there's
there's
there's
an
opportunity
for
us
as
a
city,
even
in
the
context
of
less
cooperation,
to
address
these
issues
in
different
ways,
even
just
within
the
city
itself.
So
the
interest
for
us
is
really
let's
work
together
as
a
region
and
figure
this
out
and
but
I
don't
think,
there's
any
scenario
within
which
we
can't
prosper
in
a
way
in
ways
as
a
city
that,
from
these
decisions
that
we
make
either
as
a
city
or
as
a
region
yeah.
B
F
A
Well,
there's
two
answers
to
that.
I
think
one
is
that,
where
we
were
headed
in
the
first
round
with
the
zoning
rewrite
was
towards
consolidation
of
our
single
family
zones.
So
we
have
three
of
them
now
that
there
would
be
only
two
in
the
new
ordinance.
This
is
where
we
were
headed
and
that
within
those
new
two
consolidated
zones,
there'd
be
a
uniform,
smaller
lot
size
so
essentially,
and
that
you
would
be
permitted
to
do
four
units
on
any
property
anywhere
in
the
city
in
single
family.
A
So
what
we're
doing
and
I'll
speak
to
council
about
this
tomorrow
night
is
we're
stepping
back
and
saying
no,
let's
keep
all
four
of
those
or
I'm
sorry,
all
three
of
those
and
acknowledge
that
there's
a
difference
in
density
within
our
single
family
zones
and
that
that's
okay,
that's
what
defines
the
city
and
then
find
other
ways
to
more
surgically,
allow
some
infill
of
denser
housing
types,
but
respecting
the
variation
in
density
that
we
have
in
single
family.
So
that's
one
part
of
it.
A
J
B
G
I
I
I
I
There's
also
an
application
to
re-zone
that
10
acres
from
r1a
single-family,
residential
at
2.1
units
per
acre
to
r3da,
multi-family,
residential
with
design,
review
and
development
agreement,
and
there's
an
associated
pud
for
224
multi-family
units
and
three
single-family
homes,
which
includes
a
height
exception,
and
then
the
prelim
plat
for
the
whole
shebang.
We
are
recommending
approval,
but
there
is
neighborhood
opposition.
I
We
are
recommending
approval,
but
there
is
neighborhood
opposition,
so
we'll
be
hearing
that
one
item
three
is
pewd
22-18
at
4811.
North
pierce
park
lane
it's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
four
multi-family
units
on
.32
acres
in
an
r2
zone.
We
are
recommending
approval
and
we
can
try
for
consent
on
item
three
item.
Four
is
cva.
22-11
is
the
variance
to
encroach
into
the
street
side
setback
for
a
residential
edition
on
an
existing
house
and
r2
zone.
That's
at
2798,
west
regan
street.
I
Item
5
is
cup
2219
at
2505
west
stewart
ave.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit
to
construct
two
accessory
structures
in
front
of
the
primary
structure
on
0.14
acres
in
an
r2
zone.
We
are
recommending
approval,
but
we
got
neighborhood
opposition
so
we'll
be
hearing
that
item
six
is
a
little
bit.
It's
a
little
complicated.
We've
got
a
rezone
request
for
3.3
acres.
Excuse
me:
an
annexation
request
for
3.3
acres
with
an
r1b
zone
at
5727
hill
road
there's,
an
associated
pud
for
40,
single
or
pewdie
and
sub
for
40
residential
units.
I
G
I
I
The
room:
okay:
now
we
get
into
some
greens
here,
so
we
can
try
for
consent.
On
number
eight,
that's
cup
2218
at
4,
415,
west
thatcher
street.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit
to
expand
an
existing
legal
non-conforming
use
by
more
than
20
percent
on
0.14
acres
in
an
r1c
h
zone,
we're
recommending
approval
and
we
can
try
for
consent.
On
that.
Okay
item:
nine:
as
cup
2221
at
3401,
north
hollister
drive
it's
a
modification
to
a
special
exception
to
include
outdoor
wreck
and
alcohol
sales
on
0.95
acres
in
an
r1c
zone.
I
We
are
recommending
approval
and
we
can
try
for
consent,
item
10
cup
22
9
at
1439,
weedman
ave.
It's
a
modification
to
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
number
of
children
allowed
in
an
existing
child
care
facility
to
44
and
a
c2d
zone.
We're
recommending
approval
and
we
can
try
for
consent.
So
far
on
that
item,
11
is
pewd
2223
at
4403,
north
maple
grove
road.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
11
multifamily
units
on
0.98
acres
in
an
r1c
zone.
I
We
are
recommending
approval,
but
we
did
receive
neighborhood
opposition.
So
we'll
be
needing
to
hear
that
item
12
we're
almost
done.
I
promise
car
22
8.
This
is
at
26,
67,
south
victory
view
way.
It's
a
rezone
of
2.6
acres
from
r1a
single
family,
residential
to
m1d,
light
industrial
with
design
review.
I
We
are
recommending
approval
and
contrive
for
consent
and
then
last
but
certainly
not
least,
we
have
item
13,
it's
pewdie
2236
at
722,
west
franklin
street.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
nine
units
on
0.28
acres
and
an
l,
o
h
d
c
d
zone.
It's
a
mouthful.
We
are
recommending
approval
and
so
far
we
can
try
for
consent.
We
didn't
receive
any
opposition.
I
B
M
I
All
right
good
evening,
everybody
welcome
to
the
boise
city
planning
and
zoning
commission
public
hearing
a
few
things
to
start
out
with
for
tonight's
proceedings.
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted.
I
There
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom,
but
this
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
Our
procedures
for
public
hearings
begin
with
a
presentation
from
the
planning
team,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
then
the
representative
of
the
registered
neighborhood
association,
followed
by
questions
from
the
commission.
I
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person
those
who
sign
up
on
the
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually.
If
you
are
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
3
minutes
for
testimony.
We
are
strict
with
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code.
I
B
B
Any
decision
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight,
we
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there
is
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
B
N
O
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Just
for
the
record.
We
do
have
two
commissioners
online
this
evening
with
us,
and
then
there
are
some
folks
online
and
just
as
a
reminder,
the
the
text
or
chat
feature
online
is
for
technical
issues.
Only
there
will
be
no
testimony
typed
or
received
in
that
manner.
So,
if
you're
online,
please
refrain
from
any
comments
unless
you
need
help
with
the
technology
itself.
B
B
B
B
Next
item
eligible
for
consent
is
item
number
three
pud
22-18
to
engineers.
The
address
is
4811
north
pierce
park
lane.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development.
Comprised
of
four
multi-family
units
on
0.32
acres
in
r2
zone
is
the
applicant
with
us
tonight
the
applicant's
here
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Okay,
let
the
records
show
the
applicant
is
present
and
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
Is
there
anybody
here
in
attendance
tonight
to
testify
on
this
item.
B
E
E
B
Okay,
great.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Stead
is
the
applicant
present
this
evening.
This
item?
Yes,
okay,
applicants
here
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
stat
report?
Okay,
both
the
records
show
that
the
applicant
is
president
and
in
agreement
with
the
staff
report.
Is
there
anyone
in
attendance
tonight
here
to
testify
against
this
item.
B
G
B
Okay,
no
takers
there
either
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
place
it
number
nine
on
consent.
Thank
you
up.
Next
is
item
number
10
cup
22-9
nathan
cramer.
The
address
is
1439
south
weedman
avenue,
and
this
is
a
modification
to
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
number
of
children
allowed
in
an
existing
child
care
facility
to
44
on
0.34
acres
in
a
c2d
zone
is
the
applicant
with
us
tonight.
B
Up
next
is
item
number
number
12..
This
is
car
22-8
km
engineering.
The
address
is
2667
south
victory
view
way.
This
is
a
re-zone
of
2.6
acres
from
an
r1a
to
an
m1d
zone
and
is
the
applicant
present
tonight
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Okay,
let
the
record
show
that
the
applicant
is
present
in
an
agreement
with
the
staff
report.
Is
there
anyone
here
tonight
to
testify
in
opposition.
B
And
last
but
not
least,
item
number
13
is
pud.
22-36
daniel
mccown
project
address
is
722
west
franklin
street.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development.
Comprised
of
nine
units
on
point
two:
eight
acres
in
an
lohd
cd
zone
is
the
applicant
present
terrific
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
B
B
O
E
E
B
B
B
B
This
is
a
comprehensive
plan
map
amendment,
a
re-zone,
a
conditional
use
permit
and
a
preliminary
plat
for
a
residential
subdivision
comprised
of
two
multi-family
lots:
three
single
family
lots
and
one
common
lot
on
approximately
10
acres
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
hear
from
staff.
First,
miss
delaney,
garlic,.
M
The
subject
property
is
approximately
10
acres
and
comprised
of
two
parcels
located
at
9474
and
9650
west
state
street.
The
site
is
an
infill
property
located
north
of
state
street.
A
major
transportation
corridor
and
to
the
west
is
the
chardonnay
square
residential
subdivision
in
north
dunkin
lane.
M
The
applicants
are
requesting
to
amend
the
land
use
map
from
compact
to
high
density.
In
order
to
allow
a
zoning
district
that
can
support
high-density
multi-family
development.
The
project
site
is
located
along
west
state
street,
which
has
been
identified
as
a
transit
oriented
development
corridor.
M
M
The
project
meets
the
goals
of
the
state
street
corridor
transit,
oriented
development
policy
guidelines,
which
calls
for
an
increase
in
transit,
supportive
density
within
the
corridor,
and
supports
modifying
current
zoning
to
encourage
higher
density
residential
at
the
nodes
with
the
diversity
of
housing,
types
and
prices.
The
development
agreement
is
included,
which
ensures
conceptual
plans,
access
and
density
will
be
met.
M
M
The
applicant
is
proposing
five
foot
wide,
detached
sidewalks
and
landscape
buffers
along
olmer
lane,
as
well
as
pedestrian
connectivity
throughout
the
site
which
lead
to
buildings
amenities
and
surrounding
pedestrian
networks.
The
project
will
also
be
providing
a
12-foot
wide
multi-use
pathway
along
the
south
boundary
along
state
street.
M
M
M
The
need
for
the
height
increase
is
due
to
the
loss
of
buildable
space
on
the
site
due
to
the
new
public
road
construction
bisecting.
The
property
comments
received
from
agencies
indicate
support
for
the
proposed
project,
itd
reviewed
and
approved
the
per
provided
traffic
impact
study
and
provided
comments
on
traffic
pattern
and
access.
M
M
Discussing
opposition
to
the
proposed
project
with
concerns
about
high-density
housing,
traffic
increase
concerns
for
safety
and
incompatibility
with
the
existing
neighborhood
planning
staff
recommends
approval,
and
the
motion
needed
this
evening
is
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
amendment
rezone
and
subdivision,
and
a
final
decision
on
the
pud
and
I'm
available.
If
you
have
any
questions.
S
All
right,
I
think,
that's
on
now
good
evening,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
stephanie
hopkins
with
km
engineering,
5725
north
discovery
way.
Boise
e3713,
I'm
here
representing
our
client
and
the
developer
on
westlock
village,
formerly
known
as
matlock
village
delaney,
did
a
wonderful
job,
summarizing
our
request
and
did
a
fantastic
job
with
her
analysis
and
the
staff
report
like
to
thank
her
for
the
thorough
analysis
and
also
just
the
communication
throughout
this
process.
S
It's
been
incredibly
easy
to
get
meetings
scheduled
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
coordinating
with
all
the
agencies
that
review
and
comment
on
this
project.
It's
been
a
great
process,
so
we're
really
excited
to
be
before
you
tonight
to
discuss
this
project.
We
submitted
back
in
december
of
last
year
held
our
neighborhood
meeting
in
fall
of
last
year
and
our
client
has
been
in
touch
with
the
northwest
neighborhood
association
and
adjacent
neighbors
since
fall
of
last
year.
S
Next
slide,
please,
there
are
several
multi-family
developments
that
have
been
recently
improved
or
are
at
various
stages
of
development.
As
shown
on
the
screen
varying
densities.
Westlock
village
is
proposing
about
25
units
an
acre,
and
there
are
others
that
go
up
to
37
units
an
acre.
So
we
feel
that
this
would
be
an
appropriate
and
compatible
project
for
the
area.
S
Next
slide,
as
delaney
mentioned,
we
are
requesting
a
comprehensive
plan
map
amendment
from
compact
to
the
high
density
residential.
This
was
really
steered
in
initial
conversations
with
the
city
we
met
with
staff
and
noted
that
it
was
important.
Am
I
able
to
control?
Yes,
oh
awesome.
Thank
you
noted
that
high
density
was
really
targeted
for
this
area
and
encouraged
us
to
find
a
project
that
would
be
compatible
with
that
with
that
goal
they
encouraged
us
to
request
a
comprehensive
plan
map
amendment
so
that
we
could
get
up
to
43
units
an
acre.
S
We
designed
the
site
to
make
sure
that
there'd
be
adequate
parking
and
that
it
would
be
livable.
So
there's
just
no
way
to
get
that
high.
We're
at.
I
think
I
said,
25
units
an
acre
which
is
about
half
of
what
the
maximum
density
would
allow
for
the
high
density
residential
future
land
use
map,
as
delaney
mentioned.
This
is
in
an
area
that's
targeted
as
a
stability
and
change
area.
S
The
planned
unit,
development
that
we
are
requesting
your
approval
on
tonight
includes
224
units.
There
will
be
88
one-bedroom
units,
104,
two
bedroom
units
and
32
three
bedroom
units
buildings,
a
b
d
and
e
are
the
four
story
buildings
that
we
mentioned:
we're
requesting
a
height
exception
to
55
feet,
for
I
believe
the
height
of
the
building
is
only
51
feet.
So
it's
really
a
six
foot
difference
between
the
maximum
height
requirement
or
allowance,
and
what
we're
requesting
building
c
is
being
kept
at
three
stories
to
ensure
compatibility
with
the
adjacent
single
family
homes.
S
So
initially
we
had
submitted
a
plan
that
showed
sloane
street
terminating
into
a
cul-de-sac,
as
you
can
see
at
the
on
the
original
image.
This
was
in
large
part
because
of
our
neighborhood
meeting
that
we
held
and
our
clients
coordination
with
the
neighbors.
They
really
didn't
want
salon
street
to
continue
through
and
they
were
trying
to
be
cognizant
of
that
and
receptive.
S
However,
in
the
several
months
that
we've
had
to
prepare
for
this,
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
achd
itd
in
the
city
multiple
times,
and
it
was
made
very
apparent
that
that
road
needed
to
connect
through
and
we
were
encouraged
to
revise
our
plan.
So
we
did
and
everything
else
is
staying
the
same.
It's
just
really
to
make
sure
that
there's
that
connectivity
and
it's
in
achg's
policy,
as
well
as
the
cities
to
connect
streets
through
when
they're
stubbed,
like
that
with
previous
development.
S
S
So
our
preliminary
plat
includes
two
single-family
or
I'm
sorry,
two
multi-family
lots
three
single
family
lots
and
two
common
lots.
As
mentioned
we're
proposing
224
multi-family
units
and
three
single-family
units,
we
will
be
realigning
the
elmer
lane
collector
roadway
through
the
site.
We
coordinated
with
the
transportation
long-range
transportation
planning
department
at
boise
to
configure
it
in
a
sweeping
motion
here.
So
that
is
an
alignment
that
has
been
approved
by
the
city
and
we
designed
our
plans
as
such.
S
We're
proposing
various
open
space
and
inside
amenities,
a
dog
park,
clubhouse
that'll,
include
a
gym.
There's
also
going
to
be
a
pool.
There's
a
multi-use
pathway
along
state
street,
the
12-foot
multi-use
pathway,
that's
required
that
we're
going
to
be
including,
and
then
internal
pedestrian
connections
as
well
and
as
delaney
mentioned,
our
client
really
wanted
to
try
to
bridge
the
two
pieces
of
the
multi-family
project
together
since
there's
a
collective
that
kind
of
bisects
the
site.
S
This
is
an
exhibit
that
we
created
to
depict
the
itd
conditions
that
we'll
be
complying
with
so
ulmer
lane
will
be
restricted
to
a
right
in
right
out.
There
will
also
be
dedicated
left
turn
lanes
on
state
highway.
44
that'll
serve
duncan
lane,
which
is
our
eastern
street
boundary
and
the
existing
ulmer
lane,
which
is
to
the
south.
S
So
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
arrows,
but
there
are
lanes
there
that
restrict
left
movements
and
then
there
will
be
medium
refuge
for
northbound
to
westbound
left
turns
from
the
existing
omer
lane
approach
to
westbound
state
highway
44..
So
that
would
be
basically
if
you're
coming
north
on
ulmer
lane
and
turning
into
the
center
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
blockade.
There,
probably
a
concrete
median
that
prevents
folks
from
being
able
to
turn
left
into
the
new
ulmer
lane
and
that's
depicted
with
merge
arrows.
S
This
is
an
example
of
what
that
medium
refuge
would
look
like.
So
if
you
picture
the
parking
lot
as
ulmer
lane
going
north,
there
would
be
arrows
that
show
people
kind
of
how
they
should
merge
and
prevent
there's
another
little
concrete
area
that
prevents
folks
from
turning
in
an
alternate
direction.
S
S
S
It's
been
really
easy
to
communicate
with
them
to
understand
what
they
want
and
to
make
changes
based
on
those
comments,
and
we
do
appreciate
itd
and
achd
and
the
fire
department
and
other
folks
that
we're
able
to
meet
throughout
this
process
too,
to
to
revise
our
plans.
So
the
development
team
is
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
that
I'm
not
able
to
answer.
However,
I
can
I'll
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you.
T
T
T
They
rejected
a
significantly
higher
price
offer
on
this
last
large
parcel
that
they
own
in
the
area,
and
they
did
that
because
they
with
experience
with
other
buyers
in
the
past
and
with
this
essentially,
they
wanted
to
ensure
a
good,
a
good
outcome,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
to
mention
it's
very
rare
for
people
to
actually
take
less
money.
It's
insignificantly
less
money
for
their
land,
and
I
would
extend
that.
I
think
our
neighborhood
will
extend
that
to
the
applicant
for
attempting
to
honor
that
trust
that
the
matlock
family
extended.
T
The
applicant
has
been
a
communicative,
their
original
application
reduced
the
impact
on
adjacent
residents
and
we'll
come
back
to
that.
They
have
agreed
to
complete
the
12-foot
multi-modal
path
on
state
street,
as
you've
probably
all
heard,
some
applicants
try
to
get
around
that
and
that's
a
big
deal
for
our
neighborhood,
and
we
appreciate
that
and
they
are
shouldering
a
significant
burden,
as
agencies
have
required.
This
almost
street
realignment.
T
T
So
now
I'm
going
to
step
back
a
little
bit
because
our
main
focus
here
tonight
is
going
to
be
about
the
lack
of
adequate
transportation
infrastructure,
especially
in
this
bogart
lane
duncan
lane
area
along
state
street.
It's
been
an
ongoing
problem
and
I'm
going
to
step
back
a
little
bit
and
I
can't
really
walk
through
the
traffic
impact
study
with
you.
It's
too
many
details,
but
I
will
give
you
conclusions
from
a
traffic
impact
study
done
for
prominence
in
2018..
T
T
The
following
potential
mitigations
were
analyzed
for
intersections,
failing
below
achds
and
itd's
traffic
operation
standards,
state
street
and
duncan
lane.
A
traffic
signal
with
the
existing
lane
configurations
would
satisfy
itd
and
achd
operations
standards.
So
a
traffic
signal.
This
is
projecting
225
background
conditions
with
a
two
percent:
a
two
percent
annual
growth
rate.
Okay.
Without
considering
any
concurrent
developments
in
the
area,
well,
that's
not
the
case
on
the
ground.
We
have
many
many
concurrent
developments.
T
T
2019
is
important
because
this
is
when
the
applicant's
traffic
impact
study
used
counts
along
bogart
lane
to
extrapolate
future
growth
for
the
intersection
they
decided
there
would
be,
and
they
didn't
support
this.
They
said
there
would
be
a
4
annual
growth
rate
more
than
the
prominence
2
percent,
but
just
a
four
percent.
So
we
have.
However,
if
you
count
up
all
these
units
that
this
body
has
already
approved,
that
is
a
one
time:
58
increase
in
housing
units
or
a
12
to
15
annual
growth.
Now,
that's
you
know
it's!
T
It's
just
vastly
different
than
a
four
percent
annual
growth
rate
and
that's
a
problem
really.
What
we
have
here
is,
as
I'll
say,
is
a
train
wreck
coming
to
these
intersections
and
we're
watching
them
in
slow
time
and
there's
nothing.
That
seems
like
our
neighborhood
can
do
about
it,
so
there
is
an
achd
hearing
scheduled
for
matlock
village.
We
went
down
on
june
21st
to
speak
at
the
public
hearing
as
achd
allows.
T
T
Okay,
now
a
benefit
of
this
development
for
the
neighborhood
would
be
because
they
are
still
learning
the
cost
of
the
olmer
street
realignment.
If
there
was
a
traffic
signal,
then
people
could.
Finally,
in
my
neighborhood,
regain
access
like
we
used
to
have
to
the
green
belt.
Now
it's
just
too
busy
to
cross
from
most
places
over
to
the
green
belt.
So,
instead
of
a
two
and
a
quarter
miles
from
matlock
village
to
get
to
the
green
belt
to
the
south,
they
could
go
straight
across
state
street
with
a
pedestrian
crossing.
T
It
would
be
half
a
mile,
and
that
would
be
great.
It
would
also
be
half
a
mile
then
to
a
future.
Hopefully,
transit,
stop
on
bogart
we
talk
about.
This
is
a
major
transit
corridor,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
for
you
to
remember.
There
are
no
bus
stops
if
there
there
may
be
a
bus
stop
at
some
time
at
bogart
lane
and
then,
if
there
was
a
signalized
intersection,
it's
much
safer
to
walk
on
the
south
side
of
state
street,
the
reason
being
here's
the
north
side
of
state
street-
and
this
is
a
video.
T
T
To
the
west,
we
have
a
lot
of
potential
future
development.
Cbh
has
bought
the
friends
witty
site.
This
applicant
has
bought
a
much
smaller
site
to
the
west.
How
will
these
larger
units
interact,
especially
in
terms
of
traffic,
both
access
onto
state
street
and
potentially
through
the
west
sloan
neighborhood?
T
Again,
it's
the
neighborhood
we're
talking
about
is
there
behind
up
in
the
northwest
or
sorry
in
the
upper
right
corner?
This
is
what
it
looks
like
today.
It
really
was
not
designed
to
handle
a
huge
increase
in
zoning
in
the
area.
Yes,
there
is
they're
expecting
a
it's
a
stub,
but
the
zoning
surrounding
it
is
r1a,
and
so
the
problem
will
be.
Is
we
don't
know
how
much
future
growth
there
will
be
coming
through
there.
N
T
T
Thank
you,
yeah
I'll.
Just
thank
you
very
much,
so
the
original
application
again
that
we
appreciated.
Yes,
they
called
for
that
cul-de-sac
and
I
believe
they
called
for
three
stories
on
that
northern
apartment
and
we
would
appreciate
at
least
a
stepped
down
closer
to
the
residents,
because
those
are
the
closest
residents
anywhere
and
then
you
know
having
four
stories
along
state
made
allowed
since
so
our
conclusions
really
are
the
transportation
infrastructures
inadequate.
T
B
E
M
Chairman
members
of
the
commission,
the
feedback
from
achd,
as
I
said,
we've
been
in
communication
with
them
throughout
this
review
process
and
the
feedback
from
them
was
that
a
land
use
decision
is
much
appreciated
before
they're
talking
about
off-site
improvements
being
that
this
ulmer
connection
is
a
very
large
piece
to
that
intersection
discussion.
The
timing
of
that
is
oftentimes
dictated
by
the
surrounding
land
use,
but
I
will
mention
that
that
achd
hearing
would
come
prior
to
a
city
council
approval.
B
C
M
M
Yeah,
we
would
definitely
want
to
see
a
priority
to
have
that
signal
come
in,
obviously
the
sooner
the
better.
In
the
meantime,
we
have
interim
traffic
access
and
patterns,
as
identified
by
itd
comments.
So
we
are
looking
to
kind
of
address
the
issues
with
access,
keeping
duncan
open,
allowing
ride
in
right
out
on
the
ulmer
and
then
obviously
advocating
for
that
signal
as
soon
as
possible.
C
S
Thank
you,
mr
chair
commissioners,
commissioner
squares,
so
our
client
has
actually
been
in
communication
with
mike
passogno
the
fire
department,
and
our
understanding
is
that
they're
going
to
he's
going
to
modify
his
requests
and
conditions
for
the
project
to
allow,
for.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
based
on
certificate
of
occupancy,
rather
than
building
the
buildings,
it's
going
to
be
structured
based
on
when
the
the
fire
department
is
built.
S
C
S
C
S
Chair
commissioner
squires,
I
I
don't
know,
I
have
to
talk
to
my
client
about
that,
but
that
was
directly
in
response
to
staff's
request,
to
increase
the
density
on
the
site
and
that
that's
the
primary
reason
that
we
increased
that
building
height
and
added
it's
a
mixture
of
three-bedroom
and
one-bedroom
units.
So
I
can
speak
with
our
client,
though.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
D
D
S
Mr
chair,
commissioner,
gillespie
the
distance
from
building
the
building
to
the
existing
homes
over
in
chardonnay
square
is
about
70
feet,
so
I
believe
that
the
distance
from
the
proposed
homes
would
probably
be
like
80
to
90
feet.
I
can't
tell
exactly
how
far,
but
there
will
be
a
landscape
buffer
and
then,
of
course,
slim
street
that'll
provide
a
buffer
as
well.
V
N
M
As
it
relates
to
a
request
for
a
height
exception
that
falls
under
our
conditional
use,
permit
request
and
so
for
a
variance.
We
would
be
looking
at
structural
or
building
setbacks
to
specific
property
lines
and
for
the
increase
in
height
to
exceed
the
zoning
designation.
That
does
fall
under
a
cup
in
our
current
zoning
code.
J
M
So
our
feedback
to
the
applicant
early
on
was,
if
you
can
get
more
density
to
fit
and
be
you
know,
within
the
design,
we
would
like
to
see
more
density,
where
it
won't
make
sense
and
in
this
particular
case
density
along
state
street,
that's
exactly
where
we'd
want
to
see
it
planned.
So
that
was
the
reasoning
behind
that.
J
Okay,
thanks
delaney
follow
up
mr
chair,
please
for
the
for
the
staff.
I
guess,
can
you
speak
to
mr
llewellyn,
the
neighborhood
association's
issues
regarding
the
planning
assumptions
and
the
what
what
he
describes
as
the
significant
difference
between
the
assumptions
and
the
tis
and
the
actual
reality
on
approved
projects
in
that
area?.
M
M
We
look
to
that
to
provide
assumptions
and
information
for
kind
of
future
build
out
of
the
proposed
area
and
traffic
impacts.
So
we
do
trust
that
the
tis
is
using
proper
assumptions.
We
don't
necessarily
have
a
traffic
engineer
here
on
staff
to
you
know
confirm
that,
but
we
do
trust
with.
You
know
these
producing
the
traffic
impact
study
and
that
being
reviewed
and
accepted
by
itd,
that
that
would
be
an
acceptable
assumption,
and
maybe
the
applicant
might
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
four
percent
growth
rate.
S
Sure,
mr
chair
commissioners,
I
the
trafficking
or
the
traffic
consultant
that
was
used
for
this
project,
worked
with
itd
and
achd
in
scoping
out
the
project
and
determining
what
or
what
intersections
are
studied,
as
well
as
what
the
growth
rate
was.
So
that
was
all
agreed
upon
by
the
transportation
authorities.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
methodology
was
behind
the
four
percent.
I
could
read
through
the
traffic
impact
study
to
probably
get
a
little
bit
of
a
feel
for
that.
D
So
maybe
richard
could
talk
about
this
as
well
as
the
city.
My
understanding
of
that
four
percent
reference
in
in
mr
llewellyn's
comments
was
that
was
the
growth
rate
that
was
used
for
the
traffic
study
associated
with
prominence,
which
is
a
five
four
five
year
old
subdivision
up
on
hill
road,
and
I
think
mr
llewellyn's
point
and
I'd
like
him
to
talk
about
it,
wasn't
specific
to
this
traffic
study.
He
was
simply
saying:
look.
We
have
this
traffic
study
from
four
years
ago.
That
said
four
percent,
and
it's
obviously
higher
than
that.
D
T
N
B
T
G
B
U
S
The
the
four
percent
that
our
traffic
consultant
used
is
based
on
the
amount
of
traffic.
That's
growing,
not
the
amount
of
homes
that
are
being
added
in
the
area.
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
there.
I
think
in
the
kind
of
data
that
is
gathered.
As
a
result,
we
couldn't
just
project.
You
know
18
percent
growth
in
perpetuity,
depending
on
whatever
homes
are
being
put
into
the
area.
They
they
have
specific
manuals
and
analysis
that
they
go
through
to
make
sure
that
it's
consistent
with
what
they
use
for
their
analysis.
S
S
There
were
no
mitigations
required
for
horseshoe
bend
and
state
street
ulmer
lane
they
did
require,
or
he
recommended
an
eastbound
right
turn
lane
and
restriction
of
a
right
in
right
out
with
a
left
in
into
ulmer
lane.
The
the
new
one
and
itd
ultimately
decided
to
eliminate
the
left
in
option
because
they
felt
that
it
would
be
a
safer
operation
to
require
just
to
write
in
right
out
for
omar
lane,
bogart
lane
and
state
street.
S
B
N
B
And
then
delaney
a
quick
question
for
you,
so
this
project's
coming
in
you
know
proposing
an
r
r3
zone
at
20.
I
think
it's
26
units
per
acre.
What
is
for
this
for
this
property
at
the
r3,
with
r3
zoning?
What
would
be
the
maximum
density
or
the
maximum
number
of
units
they
could
put
on
this
piece
of
ground.
B
B
B
You,
okay,
we
will
go
ahead
now
and
open
up
this
item
for
public
testimony.
If
you're
here
in
person,
you
can
come
on
up
here
to
the
diocese.
We
do
have
a
few
folks
sign
up
chris
manion
josh
hunter,
richard
llewellyn
and
kathy
sorry,
buckman,
yes,
come
on
up
if
you're
online,
please
go
and
raise
your
hand
we'll
do
the
in
person
folks
first
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
folks.
Online
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
testify.
If
you
could,
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
then
proceed.
K
K
I
point
out
my
observations
of
the
significant
changes
in
my
immediate
neighborhood
since
purchasing
my
house.
My
understanding
is
that
each
development
has
required
a
change
in
zoning
that
is
resulting
in
a
transition
of
my
neighborhood
from
a
pleasant
residential
neighborhood
to
what
is
becoming
an
overcrowded
and
congested
area
characterized
by
high
density
complexes.
K
Personally,
I
have
been
impacted
over
the
eight
years
that
I've
been
there
with
the
increasing
development
that's
taking
place
concurrently
and
every
day
I
see
an
increase
in
the
traffic
pattern
that
goes
in
front
of
my
house
as
people
access
use
my
street
as
an
easy
access
to
the
main
corridors.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
express
my
concerns
as
a
resident
of
the
impact
area.
Thank
you
very
much.
W
My
name's
on
the
list,
okay,
my
name
is
mark
renz.
I
live
at
9501,
west
sloane
street,
which,
when
richard
was
showing
the
photographs,
you
saw
the
big
trees
up
in
the
corner
behind
the
one
gentleman
there.
That's
my
house,
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
height
situation
with
at
at
least
the
very
last
building,
because,
as
you
look
out
from
my
back
deck,
that
gets
rid
of
all
skyline
and
basically
opens
up
where
people
are
looking
into
my
backyard.
W
Just
as
soon
as
you
open
sloan
street
up
people
are
going
to
go
around
through
my
street
turn
onto
duncan
lane
to
come
into
their
apartment,
complex,
I
can
guarantee
it
and
the
pictures
that
richard
showed
are
actually
only
showing
just
some
of
the
cars
that
are
parked
on
our
street.
Those
houses
are
all
built
with
two-car
garages,
they're
all
built
with
five
foot
setbacks
there's
no
place
to
park.
If
you
have
more
than
two
cars
in
a
household
but
yet
they're
2500
to
plus
square
foot
houses,
so
there
really
isn't
any
place
to
park.
W
So
what
you've
got
really
is
about
a
lane
down
the
middle
of
that
road,
and
I
can
tell
you:
I've
lived
in
streets
where
there's
through
traffic
in
there
and
people
come
through
there
at
mach
1..
It
doesn't
matter.
If
there's
a
stoplight
or
excuse
me,
speed,
limit
signs
or
anything
of
that
nature.
So,
as
a
father
and
a
grandfather
of
eight
grandchildren,
I've
lived
there
since
2009.
W
the
other.
The
other
concern
that
I
have
is
as
you'd
come.
It
would
be
eastbound
on
state
street.
Okay
to
turn
on
to
duncan
lane.
Currently,
there's
been
a
median
input
in
there,
which
was
a
great
idea,
because
there
was
far
too
much
potential
head-on
collision
traffic
there.
The
challenge
we
face
now
is
there's
apartment
complex
on
the
south
side
of
state
street,
that's
been
put
in
there
and
the
entrance
to
that
apartment.
Complex
is
inhibited
by
that
concrete
barrier.
W
W
V
V
After
canvassing
38
households
to
sign
the
northwest
neighborhood
association's
petition
for
traffic
light
in
connection
with
this
project,
I
have
the
following
information
to
offer.
In
summary,
of
the
council's
consideration:
34
of
those
households,
nobody
was
home.
13
did
not
accept
solicitations
out
of
the
47
percent
of
the
remaining
household
households
that
responded
86
of
those
provided
one
or
more
signatures.
V
It
should
be
noted
that
the
majority
expressed
the
need
for
a
light
at
duncan
and
that
the
applicant's
proposal
for
really
realigning
duncan
to
ulmer
did
not
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
them.
Support
in
for
the
petition
is
provided
more
as
a
backstop
in
obtaining
a
signal,
as
opposed
to
having
no
signal
at
all
five
percent
declined
to
sign,
based
on
either
lack
of
clarity
as
to
what
they
were
signing
or
because
they
favored
only
the
light
at
duncan.
V
Additionally,
I
would
echo
the
comments
of
northwest
neighborhood
association's
letter
due
to
council
last
thursday
and
given
talked
about
in
the
presentation.
It
certainly
does
not
appear
to
account
properly
for
all
the
approved
pending
and
projects
such
as
the
friends
witty
project,
which
I
think
is
going
through
entitlements
just
looking
at
that
as
a
collective
whole,
its
interconnectedness
and
the
cut
through
traffic.
V
That
comes
as
a
consequence,
almost
all
the
people
that
I
spoke
with
said
that
they
go
to
bogart
lane,
because
they
want
a
signal,
just
it's
just
not
safe
to
make
that
left-hand
turn
out
there.
So
the
comments
referenced
in
the
staff
report
make
it
clear
that
achd
and
itd
are
only
looking
to
meet
operational
minimums.
V
This
appears
to
be
quite
short-sighted
and
will
result
in
cont
in
the
public
view
that
development
and
approving
agencies
do
what
they
want.
In
spite
of
whatever
input
is
provided
by
residents,
the
parking
ratio
for
the
development
is
appears
to
be
insufficient
at
a
near
one
to
one,
particularly
given
that
the
public
transportation
is
not
at
least
currently
adequately
delivered
and
therefore
underutilized
if
available.
X
X
I
oppose
this.
This
impacts
my
family
in
every
way
from
the
traffic
going
through
my
neighborhood
because
they
don't
want
to
go
out
into
state
street.
There
are
no
shops,
there's
no
stores,
there's
no
continuous
sidewalks.
There
are
no
bike
lanes
for
people
to
travel,
so
everybody's
going
to
drive
if
you've
driven
on
state
street.
Lately
it
is
a
mess
you're,
adding
224,
more
cars
onto
that
street
every
single
day
this
is
going
to
get
somebody
killed.
Y
Good
evening
my
name
is
nick
gage.
I
live
adjacent
to
the
proposed
matlock
apartment
complex.
I
understand
the
goal
of
the
urban
renewal
district
along
the
state
street
corridor
is
to
provide
high
quality,
transit
and
mixed
use.
So
far,
it
seems
like
all
this
being
built
or
applied
for
in
the
high
density
apartment
buildings.
Blueprint
boise
puts
forth
a
vision
for
mixed
use,
but
there
doesn't
be
appear
to
be
much
of
any
mix
so
far
in
our
area.
Y
Y
And
as
mentioned
earlier,
I
have
kids
that
were
in
that
picture
earlier
and
we
can't
get
across
the
street
now
to
go
use
the
green
belt
and
people.
The
massive
amount
of
people
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
can't
come
our
way
to
use
the
foothills
safely,
so
we
need
a
way
to
cross
the
street.
So
a
light
would
be
good
for
that
too.
Y
The
area
the
northwest
area
is
changing
rapidly.
Obviously,
infrastructures
needed
needed
to
keep
up
with,
but
that
seems
like
it's
on
the
back
burner
and
getting
as
many
people
and
units
in
there
seems
to
be
on
the
front
why
the
idea
of
building
as
many
high
density
units
as
possible
to
bring
down
the
cost
of
rent
is
admirable.
The
ends
need
to
justify
the
means
and
to
me
that
means
the
approvals
for
new
projects
need
to
be
supportive
and
sensitive
to
existing
neighbors
and
residents.
Y
Y
Please
consider
doing
the
cul-de-sac
that
we
requested
at
the
end
of
the
street.
As
mentioned
earlier.
We
did.
We
didn't
know
when
we
bought
the
house
that
they
were
going
to
extend
the
street
in
the
future,
but
had
no
idea
that
it
would
be
this
dense
and
it
will
put,
in
my
opinion,
way
too
much
traffic
on
the
street,
and
I
will
let
my
kids
out
there
play
so
anyway.
Consider
us
on
the
street
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
B
Z
Name
is
mariah
gage
and
I
live
at
9480
westlawn
street,
which
is
right
next
to
this
project.
I
would
like
the
city
to
consider
cul-de-sac
in
the
street.
Like
my
husband
said,
we
would
have
not
bought
this
property
we
have.
If
we
had
known
this,
would
open
up
to
such
high
density.
I
understand
that
the
city
wants
connectivity
and
so
do
I.
Z
However,
the
lack
of
infrastructure
that's
in
place.
Right
now
is
haphazard.
It's
a
safety
concern.
The
city
is
not
taking
in
account
to
all
the
building.
That's
across
state
street
in
garden
city
they're,
not
taking
into
account
that
there
is
a
newly
approved
private
school
across
the
new
proposed
almer
lane,
that's
going
to
be
even
more
traffic
with
privately
owned
vehicles.
There
is
no
busing
service
for
that
school
at
the
foothills
christian
church.
Z
Z
Z
Lastly,
I
would
like
you
to
really
consider
the
residence
in
chardonnay
square,
which
is
the
the
west
sloan
street,
and
how
this
impacts
us.
The
city
calls
for
in
the
reports
to
minimize
the
painful
building
of
the
current
residents,
and
it
doesn't
feel
like
with
this
project
that
they're
even
looking
our
direction
to
take
some
of
this
negative
impact
out
of
our
lives.
Z
AA
Perfect,
so
my
name
is
felicia
baltera
and
I
own
and
live
at
9418
west
sloan
street,
which
is
the
west
lone
extension
that
we've
been
talking
about.
My
husband
and
I,
along
with
our
three
children,
have
lived
here
since
2017,
and
my
primary
concern
with
this
development
is
the
increased
traffic
on
our
roads.
AA
So
I
do
support
the
cul-de-sac
and
I
really
feel
like
that's
the
only
way
to
keep
our
streets
safe
and,
like
mark
said,
we
really
do
only
have
room
for
one
car
at
a
time
to
go
down
our
street.
So
what
happens
when
there's
more
traffic?
Are
people
going
to
be
pulling
to
the
side?
That's
not
going
to
be
able
to
happen
because
it's
already
been
stated
that
we
have
to
park
our
cars
on
the
street.
B
S
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
chair
commissioners.
There
were
quite
a
few
comments.
I'll
do
my
best
to
try
to
summarize
and
address
all
of
them.
Let's
see
so
the
traffic
impact
study
that
was
done
was
actually
updated
in
march.
I
didn't
realize
that,
but
our
client
reminded
me,
so
that
does
take
into
account
all
of
the
mitigations
that
itd
and
achd
require,
which
is
why
we're
limiting
auburn
lane
to
a
right
in
right
out.
S
I've
mentioned
a
couple
times
that
folks
would
rather
we
improve
duncan
lane
and
and
add
a
light
there,
and
that
was
actually
our
preference
as
well.
It
was
our
plan
initially
and
we
met
with
the
city
and
achd,
and
it
was
determined
that
we
needed
to
sweep
olmer
lane
through
the
site.
So
it
would
have
been
our
preference
to
make
those
improvements
to
duncan
lane.
S
S
Our
client
is
going
to
be
making
a
large
investment
with
this
public
infrastructure
by
constructing
omr
lane
and
including
a
multimodal
pathway
along
state
street
that
spans
about
425
feet
of
their
frontage,
so
that
will
be
increasing
pedestrian
connectivity
not
only
through
the
site
but
along
state
street.
In
a
way,
that's
not
possible
right
now.
S
And
it
was
mentioned
that
our
client
has
the
two
acre
piece:
that's
to
the
west
of
the
site
under
contract.
It's
not,
it
is
under
contract,
it's
not
purchased
yet
they
they're
working
through
details,
so
it
could
very
well
either
be
a
phase
two
to
this
project
if
it
were
to
be
approved-
or
it
could
very
well
not
be
and
be
included
with
something
else.
But
it's
currently
it's
on
c2d
and
it's
not
a
part
of
this
project.
S
S
And
as
far
as
timing
with
the
fire
station,
they
are
planning,
I
think,
to
break
ground
2024
at
the
latest,
so
we
were
speaking
with
mike
and
he
thinks
it's
going
to
be
sooner
than
that.
Our
project
is
obviously
going
through
entitlements.
Now
we'll
have
to
get
the
plat
recorded
and
go
through
several
different
steps.
S
So
it's
likely
that
we
won't
even
get
to
vertical
construction
until
around
that
same
time,
I
believe
that
they
probably
have
a
fire
station,
funded
and
and
staffed
by
that
point,
and
as
far
as
the
light
at
ulmer
lane,
our
client
is
comfortable
with
working
with
achd
to
determine
what
a
proportionate
share
of
the
cost
of
that
light
would
be.
So
that's
something.
AB
B
B
C
C
H
Although
I
understand
that
concern-
because
we've
heard
so
much
public
comment
on
it
tonight,
my
issue
would
be
that,
regardless,
when
achd
has
their
meeting
july,
20th
we're
probably
going
to
defer
to
whatever
they
say
anyway,
and
it's
going
to
be
an
added
condition
in
the
staff
report.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
whatever
they
decide,
if
we'll
sit
here
and
try
to
change
that,
because
that's
going
to
be
ultimately
their
expertise.
And
so
I
think
that
I'm
comfortable
just
saying,
okay,
whatever
achd
defers
to,
was
what
is
going
to
be
an
added
condition.
H
E
I
was
basically
gonna
say
the
same
thing
I
also
was
gonna
make
the
suggestion
that
I
think
we
also
have
the
authority
to
condition
based
on
achd's
outcome.
You
know
what
I
mean
so,
instead
of
deferring
the
project
tonight,
we
could
say
that,
with
the
condition
that
achd
approves
x,
y
and
z
or
whatever
the
case
might
be,
but
but
otherwise
I
agree
with
commissioner
chinfrock
that
that
we're
gonna
you
know
this.
This
will
weigh
heavily
on
the
achd
outcome
and
I
would
trust
their
decision
to
this
and
hope.
E
D
D
O
J
J
Yeah,
I
wanted
to
jump
in
commissioner
finfrock's
comments
and
meredith
as
well.
It
got
me
thinking
that
that
was
the
right
way
to
go,
but
the
pd
part
of
it,
where
we're
the
final
clear
there
that
clearly
there's
an
undue
burden
here,
if
that
isn't
a
signalized
intersection,
it's
an
undue
burden
on
the
transportation
system,
and
this
is
what
the
city
we
this
city
want
this
in
here,
as
as
commissioner
gillespie
just
said
that
this
is
a
city
we
will.
J
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
if
I'm
hearing
everybody
correctly,
I
think
that's
where
we're
at
you
know.
I
think
we're
very
much
all
on
the
same
page
here
so
and
as
commissioner
stead
mentioned,
I
mean
we
have
all
the
authority
in
the
world
to
put
conditions
on
this
as
we
see
fit
right.
In
fact,
I
think
we
had
staff,
or
the
applicant
mentioned,
that
echd
is
waiting
for
some
direction
from
us
on
this
application
before
they
even
have
the
hearing.
D
H
H
H
B
H
Yeah,
well,
I
think
we've
already
had
some
discussion
on
it.
I
think
so.
As
to
the
rezone,
I
think,
the
location
of
the
property
on
state
street
corridor.
You
know
it
supports
the
higher
density,
zoning,
it's
close
to
a
transit
center
and
it's
been
targeted
for
increased
density
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
think
we
have
some
compatibility
issues
we're
working
through
right
now,
just
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
for
the
public
comment.
H
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
fire
department
and
I
think,
usually
we
would
kind
of
defer
to
whatever
they're
going
to
decide
in
their
recommendations
anyway,
whether
they
revise
that
correspondence
or
not
just
because
they're
knowledgeable
about
the
resources
and
they
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
they
have
available
to
the
community.
So
for
for
the
actual,
I
believe
that's
the
only
comments
that
were
addressed
outside
of
traffic,
so
I
think
we
can
take
that
to
a
different
leg
of
this
discussion.
J
D
John,
I
think
what
the
applicant
was
saying
was
that
currently
the
residents
can
can
use
sloane
street
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
parking
lot
there
on.
I
think
it's
on
the
north
side
and
I
think
it's
what
she's
saying
is
she's
amenable
to
to
closing
that
axis,
except
for
emergency
vehicles,
so
that
there's
not
that
leak
through
traffic
onto
sloane
street,
which
was
a
concern
of
several
people.
D
B
H
Mr
chair
commissioner,
finbrock
before
we
proceed
with
the
motion,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
we
are
asking
for
added
conditions.
Are
we
going
to
include
the
three-story
building
that
building
a
would
be
decreased
at
three
stories
under
the
pud,
as
well
as
the
traffic
light?
Is
that
my
understanding
is
that
correct?
That's.
AC
B
D
D
D
AD
D
So
I
do
think
it's
reasonable
for
us
to
in
a
sense.
Try
to
you
know,
calls
call
achd's
hand
on
this.
It
is
a
big
development,
there's
clear
interest.
It's
you
know
expressed
by
the
in
the
testimony
and
among
the
commissioners
that
this
get
done
and
I
think
we're
letting
them
letting
it
run
letting
them
build
the
buildings
right,
because
the
occupancy
permits
kind
of
the
last
thing.
D
So
it
gives
everybody
time
to
get
this
done
and
if
there's
some
snafu
with
achd
or
or
whatever
the
applicant
can
always
come
back
to
the
city,
and
we
can
re
and
and
ask
to
modify
the
pud
and
present
reasons
to
do
so.
So
I'm
comfortable
adding
this
requirement-
and
I
think
it's
a
was
a
good
suggestion.
B
Very
good:
okay,
thanks
mo
I'm
just
gonna
echo
real
quick
commissioner
stead's
comments
earlier,
please
go
to
the
achd
hearing.
Please
go
to
that
hearing
because
our
this
body
is
very
limited
about
transportation
and
roadways
where
you're
talking
about
itd
or
achd.
Those
are
the
agencies
that
really
handle
the
traffic
and
that
component
of
these
of
these
projects.
So
please
take
your
comments
to
achd
and
let
them
hear
you
because
there's
there's
only
so
much
we
can.
We
can
do
and
I
think
we've
done
what
we
can
here
with
this.
F
B
G
B
G
G
B
This
is
car
22-6
and
pud
22-20
and
cba
22-23
innovative
how
innovative
housing
solutions
at
one:
zero:
zero,
zero
west
mcmillan
road.
This
is
a
modification
of
a
da
to
include
residential
uses
and
a
new
conceptual
site
plan
on
1.38
acres
and
a
conditional
use
permit
for
said,
development
of
12
multi-family
units
on
1.3
acres
and
also
a
variance
request
to
exceed
the
maximum
square
footage
limit
for
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
we're
going
to
hear
from
delaney
garlic
again,
staff.
M
The
site
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
west
mcmillan
road
in
between
north
five
mile
road
and
north
maple
grove
road.
The
settlers
canal
runs
along
the
southern
boundary
of
the
site
and
separates
this
property
from
the
neighboring
single-family
residential
neighborhood
to
the
south.
The
site
was
rezoned
in
2005,
from
r1c
to
the
nodda
zone,
which
was
initially
allowed
for
an
office
park
and
buildings
with
the
development
agreement
that
d.a
did
identify
office
use
as
well
as
restriction
of
height
to
25
feet.
M
The
existing
da
restricted
the
site
to
office
buildings
with
partial
second
stories
not
to
exceed
25
feet.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
modify
the
da
to
specify
residential
uses
up
to
31
feet
in
height
residential
uses,
aren't
allowed
use
in
the
nod
zone
and
the
31
foot
height
request
is
under
the
35
foot
maximum
of
the
zone.
M
M
The
pud
proposal
associated
with
this
da
modification
request,
includes
12
residential
units
comprised
of
a
main
level
unit
and
basement
level
adu.
The
proposed
the
proposal
specifically
requests
to
have
basement
units
categorized
as
adus
to
allow
for
a
deed
restriction
that
would
require
owner
occupancy
of
the
site.
M
This
provides
a
unique
housing
product
type
that
provides
wider
opportunity
to
home
ownership
by
requiring
a
deed
restriction.
This
would
restrict
investment,
property
ownership
to
occur
and
the
proposed
housing
product
is
designed
to
fit
within
the
existing
subdivision
configuration
that
was
initially
approved
for
an
office
park.
M
The
applicant
requests
a
variance
to
the
maximum
allowable
square
footage
of
an
adu
on
lots,
2,
3
and
4
to
exceed
the
10
10
percent
lot
size
as
required
by
boise
city
code.
The
lot
sizes
in
the
subdivision
and
the
configuration
are
in
existing
condition
of
the
site
and
impose
a
hardship
and
exceptional
circumstance
as
it
was
originally
designed
for
an
office
park
use
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
unique
residential
info
project
for
and
for
utilizing
existing
conditions,
improvements
and
utilities.
M
M
M
A
public
comment
was
received
from
the
adjacent
neighbor
to
the
west.
The
letter
detailed
concerns
with
change
to
office
allowing
two-story
buildings
due
to
privacy
concerns
with
the
parking
arrangement
and
safety
of
future
children
playing
in
the
parking
area
staff
reviewed
these
comments
and
found
that
the
residential
use
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
M
They
are
under
the
maximum
height
for
the
zone
district
and
providing
the
basement
adus
allows
them
to
keep
the
height
compatible
with
the
existing
residential
uses.
They
have
more
than
adequate
parking
on
site
with
guest
parking
on
the
surface
level
and
then
also
garage
parking
for
each
unit.
Safety
concerns
are
addressed
through
the
amenity
space
provided
designated
for
gathering
and
also
yard
front
and
backyard
spaces
as
well
planning
staff
recommends
oops.
Sorry
I
will
bring
up.
There
is
one
condition
of
approval
to
be
discussed.
M
Q
U
U
U
I
live
one
block
I
used
to
live
one
block
from
this
property
and
I
used
to
walk
it
all
the
time
and
say:
something's
gotta
happen
with
this.
So
luckily,
hopefully
something
will
we
develop
infill
properties
and
and
really
focus
on
walkability
sustainability
issues
using
existing
infrastructure
and
that
sort
of
thing
also
trying
to
keep
cars
off
the
roads
for
the
environmental
impacts
that
that
creates.
U
So
this
is
one
of
a
number
that
we
plan
to
develop
with
our
sort
of
new
product
that
has
the
two-story
home
up,
above
with
a
an
adu
unit
that
can
be
accessed
either
from
inside
the
house
or
from
the
outside
of
the
house
only
and
so,
but
with
the
proviso
that
will
have
a
deed
running
with
it.
That
allows
for
owner
occupancy
only-
and
we
talked
this
morning
about
maybe
even
doing
that
as
part
of
the
development
to
have
a
deed
running
with
the
land
that
has
to
be
owner-occupied.
U
So
that's
our
goal
is
to
try
to
support
families
and
home
ownership,
and
so
we're
hopeful
to
try
to
we're
really
kind
of
focusing
on
millennials
and
those
that
are
growing.
But
it's
also
downsizing
boomers
and
others.
So
we
think
we
can
hit
a
fairly
wide
swath
with
these
small
projects,
but
we
have
quite
an
appetite
to
do
a
number
of
them
all
over
town.
U
The
there
were
some
constraints,
obviously
because
the
site
was
already
developed,
and
so
we
decided
to
try
to
save
some
money
for
the
eventual
buyers
by
using
the
existing
infrastructure,
because
all
the
underground
stuff
is
in
and
the
lots
were
already
laid
out.
So
we
we
went
about
to
try
to
determine
the
best
way
to
utilize.
What's
there
to
make
it
work,
and
I
think,
we've
been
somewhat
successful.
K
U
U
U
U
Their
backyards
to
five
feet
and
we're
hopeful
that
we
can
get
more
private,
secure
backyard
spaces
by
using
six
foot
fences
that
are
offset
not
10
feet
from
property
line,
but
five
feet.
That
would
give
seven
feet,
including
the
telephone
utility
up
to
the
back
of
the
existing
sidewalk.
That
we'd
be
more
than
happy
to
landscape
nicely
and
maintain
as
part
of
the
hoa.
U
U
AF
AF
G
AF
AF
We
understand
why
the
this
staff
wants
that
just
the
beauty
of
that,
but
the
the
existing
neighborhood
doesn't
really
want
that.
The
other
thing
that
that
video
would
show
is
any
home
that
is
facing
onto
macmillan.
Also
has
its
own
access
point
off
of
macmillan
and
drive
lane
coming
directly
off
of
macmillan,
which
we
don't
want.
We
don't
think
that
the
staff
would
want
nor
achd
when
we
have
the
access
road.
That's
that's
drawn
into
that
as
well.
AF
I
might
also
just
say
that
the
facing
those
those
homes
onto
mcmillan
causes
some
safety
concerns
for
homeowners.
We've
got
pedestrian
traffic
walking
right
in
front.
There
was
some
staff
desire
at
some
point,
maybe
it's
just
code
to
have
a
three
foot
fence
running
along
that
sidewalk
and
again
just
causes
some
concerns
for
safety.
AF
It
also
if
we
have
shortened
fences
causes
some
noise
problems,
for
if
that's
the
backyard
causes
noise
problems,
if
it's
the
front
yard,
I
don't
know
that.
There's
any
neighborhood
feel
if
that's
if
our
porches
are
facing
the
street
and
we
have
a
three
foot
fence,
I'm
just
not
sure
the
porch
gets
used,
and
so
we,
while
we
understand
the
staff's
initial
reaction
to
the
to
the
product
we
we
hope
that
by
turning
them
to
face
inward
there's
more
of
a
neighborhood
feel
and
we
can
allow
as
much
backyard
as
possible.
AF
We'd
love
to
have
a
two
foot
set
back
off
the
sidewalk,
with
a
fence
with
our
fences
set
right
there
and
allow
those
homeowners
to
have
as
much
backyard
as
they
can.
The
reality
is,
is
they're.
Just
gonna
have
a
fence
with
seven
feet
on
the
other
side,
for
the
hoa
to
take
care
of,
and
if
we
can
push
the
fence
closer
to
the
sidewalk.
AF
B
U
Yeah,
so
this
is
my
cheesy
drawing
of
what
we
would
suggest.
So
if
you
added
the
green
line
and
the
blue
highlighting
that
would
be
the
10-foot
setback,
that
staff
is
recommending
from
the
property
line,
which
is
two
feet
off
the
back
of
a
sidewalk,
and
so
our
hope
would
be
to
utilize
the
two
foot
strip
for
landscaping,
plus
the
a
five
foot
additional
strip
total
of
seven
and
then
allow
us
to
have
the
remaining
five
feet.
U
You
can
see
in
this
sort
of
yellow
or
pea
green
inside
the
fence
that
it
would
have
left
a
five
foot
backyard
and
we
think
we
can
make
a
ten
foot
backyard
work,
but
five
would
be
difficult,
also
real
quickly
on
the
east
side
of
the
entrance
lot.
Seven
is
the
only
lot
over
on
that
side
and
so
we're
willing
to
do
what,
if
we
could
get
to
this
compromise.
U
But
I'd
also
point
out
for
that
first
number
of
feet
that
it's
essentially
a
20-foot
setback,
open
with
no
fence
to
look
into
the
property
and
the
parking
there
and
then
there's
sort
of
a
diagonal
view
of
our
little
common
area
down
in
the
bottom,
which
would
have
our
a
wall
with
signage
and
lighting
on
it.
So
we
think
it
would
create
a
nice.
B
D
You
know
the
city
is
proposed.
One
way
the
applicant
would
like
to
do
another
way
and
there's
this
question
of
where
the
fence
is,
and
I
and
I
always
hate
going
against.
You
know
the
city's
code
and
the
city's
sort
of
guidelines,
because
you
know
it's
like
the
sidewalk
question.
If
you
don't
start
somewhere,
you
don't
ever
get
anywhere
and
there's
a
reason.
We
orient
these
things
towards
towards
the
street
and
we
don't
you
know
we
don't
close
our.
We
don't
turn
around
and
put
our
back
to
these
streets
but
ashley.
B
AC
B
M
Mr
chairman,
commissioners,
I
think
there's
two
fields
of
thought
on
this
in
particular,
this
proposal
is
dealing
with
existing
configurations.
So
that's
that's
one
thing
we're
kind
of
working
with
as
far
as
site
constraints
and
existing
conditions,
there's
also
something
to
be
said
for
sort
of
cottage
style
development
where
you
do
have
front
porches
facing
each
other,
I'm
creating
more
of
that.
Neighborhood
cottage
feel
I
think
in
looking
at
the
overall
neighborhood
and
location
you
will
see
up
and
down
both
the
north
and
south
side
of
macmillan.
M
There
are
no
street
facing
fam.
You
know
residential
products
facing
the
street,
essentially
they're,
all
backyards
with
landscape,
buffer
or
side
yards
of
existing
subdivisions.
So
I
think,
in
that
light
we're
looking
at
compatibility
with.
What's
there,
that's
not
to
say
we
wouldn't
want
to
change,
design
and
and
start
and
start
somewhere.
As
commissioner
galepsy
just
mentioned,
you
know
if
we
don't
start
somewhere,
it
might
not
be
built.
Mr
chair,
commissioner,.
C
M
Mr
chairman,
commissioners
yeah,
I
think,
there's
something
to
be
said
for
urban
design
having
that
interface
of
pedestrian
realm
with
kind
of
active
uses
along
the
street.
So
having
you
know,
six
foot
tall
fences
on
the
back
of
the
sidewalk
isn't
necessarily
a
pedestrian
friendly
environment
for
folks,
using
that
sidewalk
to
to
get
back
and
forth
so.
H
Church,
I
have
a
question
for
delaney:
can
you
explain
the
variance
I
I
know
that
it
has
to
do
with
the
requirements
of
the
adu,
and
I
know,
there's
something
that
says
no
larger
than
700
square
feet
or
10
of
the
lot
size.
But
what
exactly
is
the
variance
that's
being
requested
and
how
does
it?
How
does
it
apply
to
that?
Ten
percent
of
the
lot
size.
M
Yeah,
mr
chair,
commissioner
friend
rock,
I
don't
know
if
my
screen
is
sharing,
but
four
laws.
Two
three
and
four,
the
the
square.
Footage
of
the
lots
are
all
around
five
thousand
square
feet,
and
so
ten
percent
of
those
lot
sizes
would
render
adus
around
500
square
feet.
So
what
they're
requesting
is
to
go
to
the
maximum
allowed
square
footage
of
700
square
feet
which
exceeds
the
10
percent,
so
the
way
code
is
written
now
is
that
the
adu
would
have
to
either
be
10
or
700,
whichever
is
less
so.
M
Q
B
J
Hi,
mr
follow
up
on
that
as
well.
So
on
the
smaller
lots,
two
three
and
four
then
that
500
square
foot
ad
is
obviously
some
quarter
foot
sub
standard
from
by
the
city
code.
So
a
question
for
the
applicant:
why
did
you
exceed
the
700
and
go
up
to
well
above
700,
especially
on
that
800
and
some
square
foot
unit.
AF
AF
I
think
the
the
adu
code
is
so
you're,
not
building
a
giant
home
on
the
existing
property
that
looks
like
a
secondary
home,
and
these
these
adus
will
not
be
visible,
really
they're,
underneath
the
the
existing
home,
and
so
so.
Our
hope
is
to
maximize
the
amount
of
rentable
space
to
the
homeowner
so
that
they
can
reduce
their
mortgage
payments
and
without,
and
it
doesn't
show
any
more
of
a
blight
on
the
on
the
property,
because
it's
within
this
footprint
of
the
home
and
again
because
these
lots
aren't
all
the
same.
AF
B
Sure
thing
delaney,
I'm
going
to
circle
back
on
the
fencing
just
to
understand
the
condition
and
where
we're
at
with
that,
so
essentially
by
their
with
their
layout
they're,
essentially
saying
the
as
the
currently
laid
out
right
now.
It's
the
front
setback
it's
along
mcmillan,
but
their
design
is
basically
saying.
That's
gonna,
be
the
rear
setback
and
city
code
says
in
a
front
setback.
You
can
only
have
fencing
heights
to
three
or
four
feet.
Is
that
correct.
M
M
Part
of
the
original
subdivision
that
had
envisioned
office
park,
so
I
don't
know
that
that
was
really
thought
through
during
that
subdivision
piece.
So
now
that
we're
dealing
with
this
infill
residential
product,
we
did
request
an
internal.
You
know
no
additional
vehicular
access
for
macmillan,
so
all
vehicular
access
is
coming
internally
through
the
existing
service
drive.
B
E
M
Mr
chairman,
members
of
commission,
I
believe
staff's
position
on
that
would
be
to
provide
a
buffer
between
fencing
and
the
pedestrian
sidewalk
connectivity,
so
landscape
buffer
would
be
essentially
what
we
would
like
to
see.
If
this
was
a
brand
new
subdivision
coming
in,
we
would
have
requested
that
buffer
be
installed,
but
because
the
lots
are
laid
out
in
their
configuration
that
wasn't
addressed
initially.
J
M
So
the
the
12
required
bicycle
parking
is
conditioned
and
sounds
like
the
applicant
is
looking
into
options
of
both
providing
bicycle
parking
on-site
and
also
maybe
within
garages
and
other
covered
locations.
So
I
believe,
that's
being
addressed
with
the
applicant
and
through
their
design
review
application.
I
think
they
can
figure
out
placement
of
those
bike
parking
spaces.
J
B
B
AG
AG
AG
AG
We'd
have
a
gate
maybe
put
up
in
between,
because
we
have
lots
of
customers
coming
through
our
property
every
day,
and
I
worry
about
children
coming
over
from
that
area
and
they're
with
their
bikes
and
riding
around,
and
that
and
getting
her
injured
or
hurt
because
it
is
commercial.
It
is
a
commercial,
a
lot.
Okay,
so
propose
putting
a
fence
up
and
then
maybe
having
a
gate
between.
So
the
only
people
would
have
access
to
the
gate
would
be
emergency
people
and
garbage.
AG
AF
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
commission.
Just
some
things
and
again
we
we
really
appreciate,
appreciate
delaney
and
the
staff
they've
been
wonderful
and
we
realize
we're
bringing
a
new
product
as
well
as
putting
it
on
a
property
that
has
all
kinds
of
existing
issues.
So
just
a
few
points
front
orientation
on
mcmillan
doesn't
really
allow
for
natural
guest
parking.
AF
Additionally,
lots
five
and
six
face
towards
the
middle
by
default,
because
there's
a
canal
behind
them,
and
so,
if
they're,
if
they're
by
default
facing
that
way
and
the
others
face
out
on
mcmillan,
then
their
front
view
is
the
backyard
and
garages
of
of
the
the
homes
in
front
of
them.
The
hope
for
the
adu
variants
is
to
maximize
the
footprint
of
the
home.
AF
We
are
the
last
developed
developable
property,
all
along
mcmillan,
from
maple
grove,
probably
out
to
past
eagle
road.
There's.
Nothing
else
developed
developable
along
that,
and
so,
as
delaney
says,
if
this
was
a
new
product
or
a
new
subdivision,
they'd
want
that
full
setback,
but
really
we're
just
matching
up
with
hoping
to
match
up
with
the
neighbors
around
us
and
again
that,
while
we're
willing
to
put
that
fence
off
of
the
sidewalk
a
little
bit
really
the
neighbors.
AF
If
we
just
match
up
with
what
neighbors
are
doing,
it's
two
feet
off
which
would
allow
for
a
bigger
backyard,
but
we're
happy
to
do
either.
Of
those.
I
love
that
the
staff
wants,
that
pedestrian
front
yard
kind
of
interaction,
but
again
that
only
exists
on
these
three
homes.
All
up
and
down
mcmillan,
from
maple
grove
to
eagle
road.
AF
B
B
H
Point
of
clarification:
are
we
adding
a
condition
that
allows
for
the
homes
to
face
the
interior
of
the
development
and
then
adding,
as
well
as
the
10
feet,
property
line
issue?
Is
that
an
added
conditioner?
Is
that
already
written
through
into
the
staff
report?
Because
I
don't
believe
I
caught
that.
B
G
J
J
H
J
Q
H
I
think
I
think
I
mean
it's
pretty
much
as
we
discussed
already.
It
makes
sense
the
predictable
development
patterns
of
the
you
know:
front-facing
houses
to
the
interior
of
the
lot.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
the
development
agreement
and
the
pd
that
they're
both
best
supported
by
the
comprehensive
plan
which
promotes
the
infield.
You
know
development
as
to
the
variants
it
pretty
much
adheres
to
the
adu
requirements.
It's
just
using
that
maximum
allowed
square
feet
versus
the
10.
H
AA
C
Legal
points
I'll
hit
the
fun
points.
This
is
cool.
This
is
really
cool.
I
would
love
to
see
more
of
this.
I
hope
you
do
more
of
these
type
of
projects.
There
needs
to
be
more
of
these
owner-occupied
adus
as
a
renter
in
this
city.
It's
tough,
so
would
love
to
see
and
would
love
to
be
a
homeowner
again
at
some
point
in
the
future.
So
would
love
to
see
this
this
product
more,
and
I
applaud
the
creativity,
you're
working
with
a
tough
site
and
it's
nice
to
see
the
reuse
of
it.
B
J
B
I'm
gonna
go
sign
sound
off,
really
quick
as
well
love
it
great
job.
You
absolutely
have
to
turn
those
homes
into
the
site.
Absolutely
it's
no
question
in
my
mind,
you've
done
it
the
right
way,
so
kudos
well
done
it's
a
kind
of
strange
like
out
parcel.
It's
been
sitting
there
since
2005.,
you've
absolutely
nailed
it.
In
my
opinion,
I
think
we're
good
on
the
condition:
you're
you're
you're
in
a
condition
you're
a
situation
now
where
that's
obviously
the
rear
setback.
I
know
code
wise.
B
It
says
front
step
pack
you're
now,
on
the
rear
set
back
on
mcmillan,
a
six
foot
fence
is
absolutely
appropriate.
I
think
how
you've
proposed
it
having
a
five-foot
planter
between
the
fence
and
the
sidewalk
is
probably
the
best
solution
there.
If
you
look
at
the
other
stretches
of
mcmillan,
we
have
a
two
foot
stretch
behind
the
sidewalk:
it's
just
derelict
land
like
there's,
nothing
in
it
right
it
just
would
it's
just
bark
mulch,
so
I
think
that
seven
feet
there's
like
kind
of
a
nice
medium
heavy
medium.
You
get
a
10-foot
backyard.
B
You
guys
can
still
landscape
along
the
sidewalk
dress
it
up
a
little
bit
on
the
exterior
side
of
the
property.
So
I
think
we're
good
on
that
condition.
You
do
also
have
to
come
through
design
review
as
well
to
kind
of
fine-tune
all
that
and
finalize
it
all.
So
I
think
we've
got
it
all
covered
and
unless
there
are
any
other
comments
from
my
fellow
commissioners,
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
to
the
vote.
B
B
Item
number
four
cva
22-11
amy
allgeier
architect,
incorporated
at
2798
west
regan
avenue.
This
is
a
variance
to
encroach
into
the
side
yard
side.
Sorry
variance
to
encroach
into
the
street
side
setback
for
an
addition
to
an
existing
house
on
0.1.1
acres
in
an
r2
zone
and
we're
here
from
staff
serena
mortensen.
L
All
right
good
evening,
mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
next
item
before
you
is
a
request
for
variants
to
encroach
into
the
street
side
setback
for
an
addition
onto
an
existing
house
on
0.1
acres
in
an
r2
zone.
The
subject
property
is
a
substandard
lot,
which
contains
a
single
family
dwelling
in
a
detached
two-car
garage.
L
The
applicant
requests
to
construct
an
approximately
395
square
foot
addition
onto
the
existing
home
in
order
to
provide
a
bedroom,
bathroom
and
laundry
facility
on
the
ground
level.
The
requested
edition
is
intended
to
accommodate
an
aging
resident
of
the
home,
who
has
limited
ability
to
access
the
second
level,
as
proposed.
The
addition
would
encroach
eight
and
a
half
feet
into
the
required
15
foot
street
side
setback.
L
The
applicant's
letter
of
intent
cites
the
wide
right-of-way
adjacent
to
the
site,
the
presence
of
other
similar
setbacks
in
the
area
and
the
need
to
maintain
private
open
space
on
the
property.
As
justification
for
the
request,
however,
the
width
of
the
adjacent
right-of-way
and
the
presence
of
other
similar
setbacks
in
the
area
do
not
constitute
hardships
with
the
property
itself
or
exceptional
circumstances
related
to
the
intended
use.
While
substandard
lots
are
required
to
provide
a
minimum
of
375
square
feet
of
private
open
space
in
their
rear
yards.
AH
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
my
request
for
a
variance
for
a
setback
in
order
to
construct
a
main
floor,
master
bedroom,
bathroom
and
laundry
addition
to
my
home.
I'm
asking
for
this
variance
for
two
reasons:
one
is
my
physical
age
and
health,
and
the
second
is
it's
prohibitively
expensive
to
move
in
the
city
of
boise.
AH
I've
had
two
back
surgeries.
My
next
back
surgery
will
be
a
spinal
fusion.
In
2014
I
was
diagnosed
with
an
autoimmune
disorder
called
ankylosing
spondylitis.
It
now
currently
affects
the
joints.
In
my
knees
and
my
back
prior
to
that
diagnosis,
I
was
a
competitive
triathlete
for
20
years
in
2017
I
was
forced
to
quit.
The
muscle
spasms
in
my
back
at
times
are
so
serious
getting
off
the
couch.
Much
less
bicycle
are
impossible.
AH
AH
I've
lived
in
boise
for
over
30
years.
I
work
for
the
best
paying
companies
in
this
valley,
including
micron
and
hewlett-packard.
I
currently
work
for
a
canadian
software
company.
My
point
is:
I've
had
high-paying
tech
jobs
from
almost
my
entire
career,
and
I
can't
afford
to
move
to
another
house
in
the
city
of
boise,
I've
tried
I'm
almost
58
years
old
and
approaching
retirement
competing
with
out
of
state.
All
cash
offers
on
properties
is
frustrating
and
futile.
AH
My
current
home
is
under
1400
square
feet
with
both
bedrooms
and
baths
up
a
steep
set
of
15
stairs
it's
one
of
those
tall,
skinny
infill
homes.
I
have
no
main
floor
bathroom
I've
investigated
in
an
electric
stairchair,
but
it's
quite
inconvenient
and
may
pose
a
danger
having
to
go
upstairs
to
use
a
bathroom
five
to
six
times
per
day,
having
a
main
floor
bedroom
bath
and
laundry
would
negate
any
reasons
for
going
upstairs
directly.
AH
AH
The
only
private
backyard
space
I
now
have
is
my
patio
between
the
garage
and
the
house,
which
is
where
the
city
planner
is
suggesting
to
build.
My
addition,
I
might
add,
the
developer
of
the
whitewater
station
project
was
given
a
complete
rezone
and
variances
for
height
number
of
parking
spaces
and
their
setback
in
order
to
build
his
project.
AH
Building
this
addition
will
allow
me
to
stay
in
my
home
as
long
as
possible
and
also
increase
the
livability
and
density
of
my
existing
home,
so
that
one
day
a
larger
family
of
four
might
enjoy
living
there.
As
much
as
I
have
the
planner
has
proposed,
I
place
the
addition
of
on
my
existing
patio.
I'm
going
to
let
amy
my
architect
explain
how
and
why
this
is
a
complex
and
less
viable
proposition
compared
to
our
original
side
yard
design.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AB
Mr
chair
commissioners,
my
name
is
amy
allgeier.
I
live
at
1402,
north
22nd
street
and
I'm
the
architect
for
this
project.
Last
fall.
I
contacted
the
planning
department
to
see
if
they
would
be
at
all
supportive
of
an
addition
to
the
side
of
susan's
house.
Crystal
rain
took
the
idea
before
the
planning
team
in
october
and
relayed
that
they
were
on
the
plus
side
of
maybe,
and
their
major
concern
was
whether
we
would
be
able
to
save
the
mature
tree
in
the
backyard.
AB
AB
Perfect,
so
this
is
the
plan
we
came
up
with.
This
edition
is
large
enough
to
provide
a
wheelchair,
accessible
bedroom,
bathroom
closet
and
washer
dryer
area.
We
protect
the
tree.
We
maintain
the
privacy
of
susan's
existing
back
patio
area.
We
maintain
existing
windows
in
the
house
as
they
are
and
we
provide
a
straightforward
path
between
the
garage
and
the
kitchen.
AB
We
need
about
380
square
feet
for
a
standard
master
suite.
We
can
carve
that
down
by
using
really
economically
sized
rooms
we
can
get
down
to
about
320
square
feet
for
a
master,
although
these
tighter
spaces
make
it
more
difficult
for
wheelchairs
to
access.
So
we
need
to
use
that
320
as
a
bare
minimum.
This
is
option
number
one:
the
space
behind
the
existing
house
outside
the
setbacks.
Jet
is
only
336
square
feet.
AB
We
need
a
little
bit
of
that
area
for
a
back
entry,
so
that
only
leaves
306
square
feet
of
space
for
the
master
suite
and
that's
14
square
feet
below
that
bare
minimum
that
we
need.
This
design
also
closes
off
the
only
window
in
the
kitchen,
so
we
now
have
no
natural
light
in
the
back
of
the
house
and
the
travel
path
from
the
garage
door
to
the
kitchen,
which
is
shown
in
red.
You
can
kind
of
barely
see
it
up
there.
AB
It's
lengthy
it's
about
37
feet,
long
and
there's
poor
access
to
the
yard
areas
of
the
property
which
are
now
all
on
the
left
side
of
the
house
with
no
access
on
the
left
side
of
the
house.
Most
importantly,
this
addition
is
only
11
feet,
9
inches
from
that
existing
tree
that
we
were
told
to
save
that's
well
within
the
drip
line
of
the
tree
and
with
the
over
dig
necessary
for
footings.
It's
very
unlikely
that
tree
would
not
be
affected
by
construction
in
this
area,
so
this
design
is
too
small.
It
endangers
the
tree.
AB
It
has
a
poor
layout
ruins
that
the
natural
light
in
the
house
and
offers
no
privacy
to
the
outdoor
areas.
The
next
scheme
option
number
two
does
solve
some
of
those
issues.
We're
able
to
save
the
existing
window
in
the
kitchen
travel
path
from
the
garage
is
not
as
long
and
the
access
to
those
backyard
areas
is
greatly
improved.
However,
this
only
leaves
260
square
feet
for
that
master.
Suite
that's
60
square
feet
below
the
bare
minimum
that
we
need
also
because
the
sidewalk
now
wraps
around
the
west
side
of
the
addition.
AB
AB
Now,
if
we
were
to
use
the
addition
to
attach
the
garage
to
the
house,
as
shown
in
option
three,
we
finally
have
enough
space
for
the
master
bedroom,
but
we
can't
have
a
bedroom
connected
directly
to
a
garage
building
code
doesn't
allow
that,
so
we
need
a
hallway,
which
you
see
snaking
through
the
center
of
that
addition
between
the
existing
kitchen
and
the
garage
doors.
This
hallway
ends
up
being
30
feet
long
and
it
uses
over
90
square
feet.
AB
Setting
aside
the
discomfort
of
a
30
foot
long
hallway
in
today's
market,
90
square
feet
costs
27
thousand
dollars,
and
we
still
need
a
variance
for
that
plan,
because
once
we
attach
the
garage
to
the
house,
it
no
longer
qualifies
for
the
reduced
setbacks
that
it
now
uses
and
again
we're
still
just
11
foot
nine
from
that
existing
tree
sabrina.
Can
we
go
back
to
the
photographs?
AB
In
addition,
all
of
these
rear
designs
would
require
removing
the
existing
egress
window
in
that
upstairs
bedroom.
You
can
see
it
there.
You
can
imagine
if
a
roof
over
that
rear
addition
were
to
go
up.
It's
going
to
cover
the
whole
bottom.
Half
of
that
window
in
the
next
photo,
you
can
see
that
mature
tree
that
we're
trying
to
save
there
on
the
left
as
well
as
you
can
see
the
balconies
that
are
looking
straight
down
into
the
side
yard
that
susan
doesn't
want
to
have
as
her
outdoor
gathering
space
in
the
bottom
photo.
AB
You
can
see
that
that
existing
garage
blocks
the
view
from
those
balconies
quite
well
by
placing
the
addition
on
the
side.
As
we
have
we've
provided
enough
space
for
the
master
suite.
We
don't
encroach
on
the
tree,
we're
not
affecting
the
kitchen
or
the
second
floor,
bedroom
windows
and
we're
creating
a
backyard
area.
That's
conveniently
located
and
private.
AB
The
hardship
of
this
property
is
the
same
as
many
corner
lots.
It's
eaten
up
with
setback.
We've
got
large
setbacks
on
three
sides,
but
in
this
case
the
setback
that
we're
requesting
a
variance
to
will
have
very
little
impact.
Sidewalk
already
exists,
adjacent
to
28th
street,
there's
no
house
to
the
west.
So
the
addition
will
not
impact
the
sunlight
on
an
adjacent
property.
The
adjacent
properties
along
28th
street
already
enjoy
setbacks
that
are
similar
to
the
ones
that
we're
proposing.
AB
So
this
project
is
kind
of
harmonious,
with
this
immediate
block
of
the
neighborhood
and
as
sabrina
stated
in
her
staff
report,
the
project's
not
in
conflict
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
it's
not
materially
detrimental
to
the
neighboring
properties.
So
unless
susan
has
anything
further
to
add
I'll,
just
stand
for
questions.
B
J
L
L
D
D
D
Yeah,
what
we'll
go
back
top
picture
like
what
am
I
seeing?
Can
you
make
that
bigger
you
squeeze
out
with
your
fingers?
There
you
go.
So
that's
looking
from
the
kind
of
the
side
yard,
that's
the
patio
on
the
on
the
right
foreground
of
the
picture
and
then
the
garage
and
then
that
big
building
behind
the
garage
is
this
new.
AB
Commissioner
gillespie,
yes,
that's
correct!
So
basically
here
I
was
standing
in
the
side
yard
and
looking
across
the
alley
at
the
the
three-story
condo
behind
and
those
balconies
look
directly
down
into
that
side
yard.
The
white
building
in
the
foreground
is
the
garage
and
between
the
garage,
you
kind
of
see
the
edge
of
the
patio
and
then
the
house
is
adjacent
to
me.
So
in
the
bottom
photo
sabrina,
can
we
scroll
down.
D
D
AB
D
AB
AB
R
AB
AB
B
I
guess
you
run
through
all
your
your
different
options
that
you
explored
project
and
the
one
thing
that
came
to
mind
for
me,
giving
your
clients
sort
of-
I
guess,
declining
health-
maybe
not
the
right
word
but
kind
of
maybe
it
is.
Is
it
not
better
to
connect
the
garage
to
the
house
because
you're
gonna
be
in
a
condition
where,
because
you
have
to
walk
outdoors,
let's
say
that
we
approved
this
right
and
the
addition
goes
on
the
side
of
the
house.
B
AB
AB
Actually,
should
let
susan
respond
to
that,
but
just
from
a
design
point
of
view,
those
first
two
options
that
actually
met
the
setbacks.
It
did
not
require
a
variance.
She
has
to
walk
all
the
way
around
that
addition
to
get
into
the
the
addition
close
to
the
kitchen,
because
we
can't
walk
through
a
bedroom
to
get
into
the
kitchen
so
she's
in
those,
and
if
we
went
for
the
variants
to
connect
the
the
house
to
the
garage,
because
that
requires
a
variance
as
well.
AH
B
B
AB
B
AJ
B
D
D
B
C
D
B
B
B
Please
hold
the
applause.
I
know
we
were
having
a
light
moment
there.
But
let's
see
next
item
for
us
is.
I
have
number
five
cup
22-19
levco
builders
at
2505
west
stewart
avenue
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
construct
two
accessory
structures
in
front
of
the
primary
structure
on
0.14
acres
in
our
two
zone.
We're
gonna,
hear
from
staff
first,
sabrina
still
with
us.
L
Mr
chair
members
of
the
commission,
the
next
item
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
construct
two
accessory
structures
in
front
of
the
primary
structure
on
0.14
acres
in
r2
zone.
The
subject
property
contains
a
single-family
dwelling
which
is
sited
towards
the
rear
of
the
lot
and
spans
the
entire
width
of
the
property
no
off-site
or
off-street
parking
is
currently
provided
for
the
site.
The
placement
of
the
existing
home
makes
it
impossible
for
any
accessory
structures
to
be
located
behind
the
home
and
removes
the
possibility
of
alley
access
parking
for
the
site.
L
For
these
reasons,
the
applicant
requests
to
conditionally
construct
a
detached,
two-car
garage
and
the
residential
swimming
pool
in
front
of
the
existing
home.
The
proposed
accessory
structures
are
consistent
with
the
residential
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
and
the
proposed
garage
would
bring
the
site
into
compliance
with
the
off-street
parking
requirements
of
code.
The
pool
will
be
located
between
the
garage
and
the
home
and
will
be
fenced
from
street
view.
The
proposal
is
in
compliance
with
all
cep
findings.
L
The
planning
team
did
receive
comments
from
one
neighbor
who
indicated
no
opposition
to
the
proposed
garage,
but
did
express
concern
regarding
the
environmental
impacts
of
constructing
a
pool
and
desert
climate.
However,
residential
pools
are
allowed
accessory
uses
in
residential
zones,
and
the
current
application
is
only
required
due
to
the
placement
of
the
garage
and
pool
in
front
of
the
home.
L
The
applicant
also
submitted
rise
plans
as
late
correspondence,
and
those
plans
show
the
proposed
garage
with
a
reduced
area
of
500
square
feet
to
allow
the
structure
to
utilize
a
reduced
side
setback
of
three
feet,
as
is
allowed
by
code.
The
planning
team
recommends
approval
of
the
conditional
use
permit
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
F
B
A
B
This
is
now
the
time
where
the
applicant
could
rebut,
but
there's
really
nothing
to
rebut,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
just
keep
on
moving.
If
that's,
okay
with
you,
okay,
very
good,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
bring
this
item
back
before
the
commission
to
render
a
decision.
It's
cup
22-19
mr
chair,
commissioner,
finfrock.
H
J
H
Yeah,
you
know
there
was
some
public
comment
about
a
pool,
but,
as
the
staff
pointed
out,
it's
an
allowable
use
for
the
code
and
everything,
in
fact,
by
building
the
garage
you're
bringing
street
parking
up
to
code.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
project
and
I
think
we
should
just
approve
it
and
move
along.
B
Okay,
very
good,
all
right!
Yes,
pretty
straightforward!
It's
a
nice
job!
You
know
incorporating
these
additions
into
that
property.
So
well
done
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
on
to
the
vote
here.
Cup
22-19.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
from
commissioner
finfrock
and
a
second
from
commissioner
mooney.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll.
N
G
G
B
Annexation
of
3.3
acres
with
an
r1b
zoning
designation,
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development,
comprised
of
40
single
family
homes
on
8
acres
and
an
r1b
zone,
and
then
a
preliminary
preliminary
plat
for
40
residential
lots
and
for
common
lots
on
8.03
acres
in
r1c
in
a
proposed
r1b
zone.
First,
we're
going
to
hear
from
staff
mr
david
mosher.
AK
The
subject
property
is
approximately
eight
acres
in
size
and
is
comprised
of
two
parcels.
The
approximately
three
western
parcels
located
in
ada
county
and
zoned
r6,
the
approximately
five
acre
eastern
parcel,
is
located
within
the
city
limits
of
boise
and
zoned
r1c
the
site.
The
property
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
hill
road
and
surrounded
by
residential
neighborhoods,
with
the
farmers
union,
irrigation,
lateral
across
adjacent
to
the
south.
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
annex
the
three
acres
portion
of
the
property
with
an
r1b
zone.
AK
In
addition
to
the
annexation,
the
applicant
proposes
a
plan
unit
development
can
to
construct
40
detached
single-family
homes
on
approximately
eight
acres,
along
with
a
sub-preliminary
plant
subdivision
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
primarily
comprised
of
detached
single-family
homes
and
open
space.
The
farmer's
ear
farmers
union
irrigation,
lateral,
does
extend
across
the
south
property
line.
The
planning
team
is
recommending
approval
of
the
annexation
and
denial,
the
pud
and
the
subdivision
application.
AK
As
seen
on
this
slide,
the
requested
r1b
zoning
is
compatible
with
the
comprehensive
plan
is,
as
it
is,
designated
as
large
lot
on
the
land
use
map
within
which
the
r1b
is
allowed.
The
rmb
zoning
is
most
compatible
with
adjacent
properties,
as
it
would
allow
for
detached
single
family
residue
residential
development,
which
is
consistent
and
consistent
and
anticipated
with
to
develop
within
the
area.
Other
agencies
have
commented
on
the
application
and
stated
no
objections
to
the
annexation.
AK
However,
the
planning
team
did
receive
comments
from
a
member
of
the
public
expressing
concerns
the
annexation
in
regards
to
the
fire
department
response
times
to
address
these
concerns,
I
would
note
that
the
fire
department
comment
letter
for
the
annexation
required
to
hire
fire
hydrant
be
installed
but
stated
no
objections
to
annexation.
They
also
stated
the
property
is
currently
served
by
the
city
of
boise
fire
department.
AK
As
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan,
the
development
consists
of
a
subdivision
comprised
of
detached
single-family
homes
and
a
pd
which
grants
reduced
lot
size,
widths
and
reduce
interior
setbacks,
but
also
proposes
the
public
streets
along
which
are
stubbed
to
the
east
and
west.
However,
the
planning
team
is
recommending
denial.
AK
AK
Third
is
this:
is
along
the
farmers
union
irrigation,
lateral?
The
pathways
master
plan
does
indicate
a
a
multi-use
path
along
this
lateral.
As
such,
the
pine
team
would
recommend
a
12-foot
multi-path
be
installed,
as
shown
here
within
a
public
access,
easement
adjacent
to
the
lateral
and
outside
the
irrigation
easement.
AK
I
would
note
that
the
applicant
did
submit
a
revised
plan
kind
of
late
in
the
in
sort
of
the
review
process
as
seen
here,
and
it
does
provide
the
additional
amenity
down
here.
So
it
does
so.
He
is
thinking
about
trying
to
provide
the
applicant
is
thinking
about
trying
to
provide
the
additional
amenities
and
providing
the
50-foot
cul-de-sac
that
the
highway
district
wants
for
the
termination
of
that
public
street.
AK
So,
in
conclusion,
oh
also,
I
would
note
that
the
planning
team
has
not,
and
other
agencies
have
not
had
a
chance
to
adequately
review
this
site
plan
before
you
at
this
at
this
time,
because
it
was
received
late.
But
in
conclusion,
based
on
the
original
submittal,
the
planning
team
recommends
approval
the
annexation
and
denial
of
the
pud
and
subdivision.
Thank
you.
AL
So
I
would
like
to
talk
about
a
couple
items
on
the
project
report
that
affect
our
design.
These
are
discussions
that
the
planning
team
felt
were
necessary
and
I
thought
were
necessary
to
have
with
the
commission
rather
than
allowing
or
not
allowing
these
variants
requests
without
the
discussion.
So
here
we
are.
The
two
items
we
specifically
want
to
discuss
are
the
landscape
buffer
along
hill
road,
as
well
as
the
pathway
along
the
canal.
AL
AL
AL
AL
Now,
as
we
move
along
to
the
canal,
we
need
to
talk
about
this
pathway.
We
need
to
think
about
the
future.
There
was
a
pathways
plan,
passed
last
fall
and
it
was
set
up
with
the
intent
to
provide
connected
pedestrian
pathways
where
it's
possible
and
where
there
is
connected
continuous
land-
and
I
think
that's
great.
AL
This
plan
specifically
talks
about
pathways
along
canals
and
discusses
the
need
to
explore
these
options
as
they
arise,
which
we
intend
to
do
today,
because
no
existing
commitments
have
been
made
between
the
city
and
farmers.
Union
no
plan
for
a
pathway
has
been
made
and
no
feasibility
study
has
been
done,
so
we
have
dedicated
25
feet
along
the
canal
here.
AL
As
a
common
lot.
Farmers
union
intends
to
use
this
lot
to
access
the
canal
for
routine
maintenance
of
its
water
supply,
and
we
also
intend
to
install
a
boise
city
sewer
line
underground
sewer
there.
It's
going
to
benefit
a
lot
of
the
neighbors
who
are
currently
on
pumps
and
septics
great
for
the
area.
AL
We
believe
this
25
feet
is
the
perfect
area
for
the
possible
pathway.
As
you
can
see,
there
is
already
a
continuous
service
road
along
the
canal
on
the
south
side,
surface
road
and
what
we
need
to
focus
on
now
is
access
on
both
sides
of
the
canal.
Once
access
is
established
on
both
sides
of
the
canal
which
we
are
providing
connectivity
is
feasible,
then
it's
possible
to
have
the
discussion
with
farmers
union
because
there's
a
25
foot
common
law
along
both
sides
of
the
canal.
AL
AL
AL
We
don't
feel
that
installing
a
pathway
today
outside
of
the
25
feet,
25
foot
common
lot,
is
in
the
best
interest
of
us,
our
neighbors
or
the
city.
It
puts
us
all
in
a
bad
spot.
We
have
less
land
to
develop
today
in
an
infill
location,
our
neighbors
properties
are
worthless
and
less
developable
in
the
future
and,
most
importantly,
the
city
city
is
establishing
a
precedent
that
the
pathway
is
not
meant
to
be
alongside
the
canal
and
the
canal.
AL
Districts
do
not
need
to
work
with
the
cities
when,
in
fact,
the
spirit
of
the
pathways
plan
shows
exactly
the
opposite.
It's
a
precedent
that
we
can't
and
should
not
set
here
today.
We
need
to
look
at
the
canal
as
a
whole
and
realize
that
it
weaves
through
many
residential
neighborhoods
in
these
areas.
They
do
not
have
25
to
40
feet.
They
do
not
have
25
feet
much
less
40
feet
to
give
up
for
these
pathways.
AL
Not
only
does
this
precedent
affect
the
pathways
chances
of
future
connectivity,
but
it
also
affects
the
city's
desire
affects
their
desire
to
install
pathways
on
any
other
canal
in
the
area
where
space
might
be
limited.
We're
providing
the
land
today
inside
the
25-foot
common
lot,
so
that
the
city
can
work
with
farmers
union
in
the
future.
AL
AL
Another
picture
the
red
line
is
the
ach
at
the
top
on
long
hill
is
the
achd
right
of
way.
The
green
line
is
the
proposed
landscape
buffer,
which
you
can
see
matches
with
our
property.
Now
to
the
south.
You've
got
the
blue
lines
along
the
canal.
The
two
blue
lines
would
be
the
25
foot
common
lot,
which
we've
given
up
at
the
south
end
edge
of
our
property.
AL
The
green
line
would
be
the
additional
space
needed
for
that
path
outside
of
the
25-foot
service
road,
so
just
we're
the
first
property
after
this
pathway
on
on
after
this
pathways
plan
was
passed
along
the
farmer's
union
canal,
they
have
not
had
any
communication
with
the
city
of
boise
on
this
pathway,
but
we're
not
opposed
to
a
pathway.
We
just
think
that
it
should
be
inside
that
25-foot
common
lot
along
the
canal
and
then
the
pathways
plan
specifically
states
that.
AL
So,
as
we
look
at
the
pathways
plan,
you
can
see
specifically
the
challenges
on
the
right
hand,
side
tight
spaces,
it's
right
there
for
you.
We
need
to
work
with
the
canal
district
in
these
tight
spaces.
So
if
we,
although
we
do
have
the
space
to
put
it
north
of
the
the
common
lot,
our
neighbors,
don't
I
want
to
show
you
that
the
pathways
plan
specifically
says
that
has
this
is
not
a
public
priority
pathway.
AL
AL
Project
feasibility,
specifically
called
out
as
an
unknown
feasibility
further
to
communication
with
stakeholders
is
needed
and
then
near-term
priority
pathways.
It
calls
this
out
as
a
low
feasibility
pathway,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
the
existing
conditions
on
the
other
side
of
the
canal,
so
these
are
the
two
items.
I
specifically
would
like
the
commission's
thoughts
on
these
this
canal,
the
pathway
outside
of
the
25-foot
commonwealth,
we're
giving
that
25
feet.
We
would
expect
that
that
would
be
used
for
the
pathway
in
the
future.
Now
I
want
to
show
you
specifically.
AL
This
is
the
section
in
the
pathways
plan
that
shows
that
the
pathway
should
be
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
service
road
within
the
25
foot
common
lot:
dedication
that
we've
provided
it's
not
calling
for
it
outside
when,
when
the
pathway
is
opposite,
a
canal
service
road.
This
is
the
section
in
the
pathways
plan.
AL
One
more
time
here,
detached
sidewalks
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
the
reason
we've
provided
attached
sidewalks
is
what
we've
provided
detached
for
the
majority
of
this
property.
It's
really
a
space
saving
thing,
but
we're
trying
to
provide
more
homes
and
the
main
thoroughfare,
which
is
the
reason
for
these
detached
sidewalks,
is
really
that
that
east
west
road,
not
the
north
south
road.
B
So
you
know
you
have
a
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
annexation
and
then
denial
of
the
pud
and
the
preliminary
plat.
Now,
additionally,
we
have
updated
drawings
that
came
in
very
late
in
the
process
last
week.
Right
so
I
think
in
fairness
to
everybody,
the
public
and
the
agencies,
I
think
it's
only
fair
that
they
give.
B
We
give
them
time
to
review
those
new,
updated
drawings
before
we
provide
you
know
a
decision
on
these
applications,
so
I
think
we
have
two
options
here
tonight:
I'm
leaning
towards
recommending
that
you
just
defer
for
another
month
to
allow
the
agencies
the
opportunity
to
review
your
updated
drawings.
So
you
can
fine-tune
the
design.
B
Alternatively,
we
can
continue
on
here.
You
know
with
that.
We
can
give
you
some
direction,
some
guidance,
our
thoughts
right
now.
Otherwise
we
can
continue.
With
this
hearing.
We
can
open
up
to
public
testimony.
We
can
do
the
whole
show
and
then
see
where
the
commission
comes
down.
You
may
get
a
denial
if
we
go
that
route.
So
I
think
those
are
our
two
options
right
now
and
I
guess
just
kind
of
want
to
hear
from
you
what
your
thoughts
are.
AL
AL
I
want
to
talk
about
the
pathway
along
the
canal
in
particular,
because
that
really
dictates
the
rest
of
my
project
that,
as
well
as
the
landscape
buffer
along
hill,
it
reduces
our
depth
and
we
need
to
know
from
there
if
there
are
some
lots
along
the
south
that
we
we
cannot
have
if
we
yeah
so
those
dictate
the
rest
of
our
project.
So
that's
what
we
really
need.
Some
clarity
on
at
this
point
is
those
two
items.
B
C
D
AE
Just
for
the
record,
james
smith,
deputy
city
attorney,
good
question
mel
prefer
that
you
or
advise
that
you
put
all
comments
on
the
record
that
that
you
have
for
now
open
up
for
for
any
testimony.
For
anyone
who
may
not
be
able
to
return
to
a
date
certain
that
that
that
you
would
defer
to.
If
you're
not
going
to
continue
with
public
testimony
tonight
or
if
that's
the
the
commission's
eventual
decision.
D
D
D
D
H
I
echo
everything
commissioner
gillespie
said.
I
think
that
I
wouldn't
go
against
like
the
pathway
plan.
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
we've
seen
many
applications
come
before
us
with
when
we're
trying
to
do
the
connectivity
and-
and
I
agree
100
with
him.
This
is
how
we
do
it.
We
do
it
through
development
and
I
wouldn't
really
go
against
the
city's
plan.
E
The
last
thing
I
would
say
on
that
is,
if
you
think
about,
like
the
green
belt,
you
know,
took
a
lot
of
foresight
and
a
lot
of
cooperation
to
get
there,
and
some
parts
of
the
green
belt
are
really
narrow
and
some
parts
have
huge
buffers
on
both
sides
and
and
so
it
doesn't,
it's
not.
You
know
it's
not
possible,
always
to
make
it
consistent
the
whole
way,
but
we
have
to
do
what
we
can
and
isn't
it
wonderful
where
it
is
really
wide.
So
I
I
can.
J
Thank
you,
mr.
I
agree
you
build
a
path
piece
by
piece
and
that's
that's
the
way
this
goes.
I
do
agree
with
the
applicant
that
the
boise
pathway
plan
looks
to
be
the
south
bank
of
the
canal
there,
so
something
needs
to
get
worked
out
there.
So
this
is
a
good
good
idea
to
work
all
that
out,
but
but
we
need
to
piece
it
together,
as
developments
come
forward.
D
B
Yeah
great
okay,
thank
you
mil,
so
I
have
a
motion
to
defer
by
commissioner
gillespie
in
a
second
by
commissioner
stead.
I
guess
mr
wall,
you
know
when
we
defer
items.
We
typically
go
to
the
next
meeting,
because
you
feel,
like
four
weeks
from
now,
gives
you
enough
time
for
all
the
coordination.
I
think
I
might
ask
staff
as
well,
but
I'll
start
with
you.
AG
AK
AL
A
AK
B
B
G
AK
B
B
I
think
we
covered
the
pathway
pretty
well,
so
we
got
the
buffer.
The
only
other
question
you
mentioned
was
the
detached
sidewalks,
not
a
little
section
of
roadway.
Yes,
I
know
I
would
prefer
to
see
a
detached
sidewalk
in
that
condition,
and
I
speak
for,
I
think,
a
couple
of
other
missing,
commissioner
commissioners.
That
would
feel
the
same
way,
so
I
would
encourage
you
to
really
explore
that
option
as
you're
looking
through
these
working
through
these
revisions.
B
B
E
The
the
last
thing
I
said
this,
the
last
time
thing
I
would
say
on
this-
is
I
know
that
you
know.
I
know
that
developers
want
to
try
to
get
as
many
units
in
there
as
possible,
and
the
city
supports
that
too,
but
also
by
complying
with
our
city
code,
which
is
you
know,
it's
laid
out
for
a
reason
and
we
do
grant
variances
as
you've
seen.
E
But
it's
really
when
there
are
site-specific
issues
with
the
land
that
you
know
that
make
us
understand
that
there's
a
hardship
that
is
unavoidable
because
of
the
space
that
you're
on
and-
and
we
don't
really
see
that.
I
don't
really
see
that
on
this
on
this
land.
So
it's
so
we're.
I
guess
our
encouragement,
if
it
wasn't
clear,
is
to
really
stick
with
the
with
the
code
as
best
as
you
can.
Even
if
that
means
dropping
a
couple
of
units.
AL
Okay,
we've
had
some
direction
from
the
planning
team
to
consider
a
switch
to
use
or
switched
product
type
as
well,
multi-family
or
town
homes.
For
this
area,
which
or
a
mix
the
reason
not
is
because
we
specifically
were
during
our
pre-application
meeting
with
the
neighborhood.
We
wanted
to
keep
single
family
to
keep
the
neighborhood
happy
guys.
That's
that
was
our
reasoning
to
keep
this
a
single
family
product.
E
AL
B
J
Since
we're
talking,
I
have
a
suggestion
for
staff
or
just
something
that
will
help
me
in
the
future.
When
we
start
in
the
staffs
project
report,
we
start
with
an
aerial
map
and
then
we
go
to
the
land
use.
Basically,
the
land
use
legend
land
use
designation
map
and
then
a
zoning
map
and
on
the
land
use
designation
map,
it's
kind
of
mixed
to
bag.
What
we
get
in
our
packet,
sometimes
it's
got
mixed
multi-use
pass
dictated.
Sometimes
it's
got
plan
share
use
pass.
Sometimes
it's
got
vrt
bus
stops.
J
Sometimes
it
has
community
centers.
It
would
be
really
nice
if
that
was
a
consistent
product
in
our
packages,
so
that
we
okay
now
I
know
where
the
boise
pathways
plan
is
in
relationship
to
this
subject
parcel.
I
know
what
the
achd
on
street
bike
lane
level
of
effort
level
of
traffic
stress
is
so
that
I
can
factor
that
into
my
evaluation.
So
since
we're
talking
generics
here,
I
just
throw
that
one
out
thanks.
B
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you,
john
okay.
Before
we
go
to
make
to
the
vote,
I
gotta
check
in
real
quick.
If
there's
anybody,
we're
gonna
defer
this
item
to
the
september
12th
meeting.
If
you're
here
to
testify
on
this
item-
and
you
cannot
attend
the
september
12th
meeting
you
can
testify
tonight,
I
see
one
hand
up
online
crystal.
Can
we
check
in
with
her.
B
B
O
B
AM
AK
AC
Robert
brownfield
5713
hill
road,
my
property
in
which
I
live,
is
the
one
that
borders
the
entire
eastern
border
of
the
proposed
project
and
it's
my
understanding
from
your
your
lawyer's
comment
that
I'll
also
be
able
to
make
comments
for
the
record
in
the
second
meeting.
That
is
correct.
That's
great!
So
just
some
basic
thoughts
on
the
walking
path.
I
think
I'm
certainly
in
favor
of
that
I'm
not
opposed
to
development.
That's
obviously
that's
inevitable.
I
do
have
concerns
about
density.
AC
I
know
that
you
guys
are
aware
of
the
information.
That's
already
been
posted
on
the
the
fire
concerns,
I'm
not
sure
the
fireman's
or
the
fire
department's
response,
but
just
putting
a
you
know,
spigot
there
is
going
to
be
enough.
You
know
boise
is
a
special
place.
I
I'm
in
love
with
it.
I've
lived
here
all
my
54
years.
I
think
about
the
green
belt.
I
mean
it's
like
a
necklace
with
emeralds.
AC
AC
There
are
a
couple
of
pretty
significant
needs,
I'd
say
one
thing
that
makes
boise
really
cool
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
here
that
we
have
a
very
special
city
but
those
open
spaces
and
places
to
walk
they're
good
for
all
people,
they're
going
to
have
a
bearcat
of
an
experience.
They
think
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
just
go
down
the
road
there
under
the
canal,
road
and
and
start
trying
to
acquire
all
these
properties.
So
there
could
be
a
30-foot
path.
AC
I
would
propose
why
don't
we
go
to
the
farmers
union
and
say:
hey
fellas,
you
know
we
need
to
do
something
about
this
canal
and
we
could
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone.
Several
of
us
have
to
pump
our
sewage
up
the
hill
road
and
about
every
10
years
I
spent
about
10
thousand
dollars,
replacing
those
pumps
and
that's
no
fun
but
anyway,
so
I
just
think
kind
of
in
general
how
special
boys
she
is,
I
think,
a
walking
path
along.
There
would
be
fantastic
for
the
neighborhood.
AC
I
think
it
would
improve
everybody's
property
values,
including
yours.
I
think
some
lower
density
housing
along
hill
road
would
be
fantastic
and
a
lot
of
people
appreciate
hell
road
just
for
the
beauty
of
it.
A
lot
of
cyclists
use
hill
road
and
we've
got
baby
deer
in
our
yard
because
they
come
down
in
the
canal.
The
drink-
and
you
know
so
you've
got
a
lot
of
reasons
for
hill
road.
You
know,
let's
not
be
idiots
here.
AC
B
B
E
AK
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
The
applicant
is
requesting
approval
of
a
preliminary
plot
for
residential
subdivision,
comprised
of
48
buildable
lots.
Six
common
lots
on
13.3
acres
located
at
2484,
south
monitor
way
in
romp
zone,
and,
as
just
mentioned,
the
proposal
will
create
48
buildable
lots
with
a
public
street
that
connects
back
to
monitor
way
adjacent
to
the
west.
AK
The
proposed
lots
meet
the
dimensional
requirements
of
the
r1b
zone
and
all
new
homes
constructed
on
the
lots
will
be
required
to
comply
with
all
height
setbacks
and
parking
requirements
as
per
the
zone
and,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
aerial
photograph,
the
properties
located
within
a
neighborhood
comprised
of
medium
and
low
density
developments
containing
detached
single-family
homes
shown
on
the
site
plan.
The
proposed
subdivision
complies
with
all
the
dimensional
requirements
of
the
r1b
zone,
with
a
proposed
density
of
3.6
units,
an
acre
which
is
similar
and
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
AK
The
project
design
will
provide
a
12-foot
wide
multi-path
along
the
east
property
line.
Here
connect,
it
will
come
down
to
the
where
blad
terminates
on
the
east
property
line
extend
along
the
south
side
will
add,
as
a
10
foot
wide
detached
pathway,
slash,
sidewalk
and
then
continue
down
along
monitor
way
to
connect
onto
carolina,
providing
that
full
connection.
AK
A
late
correspondence
memo
was
submitted,
suggesting
a
change
to
condition
of
approval
to
reflect
the
extension
of
the
pathway
along
malad
and
down
carol
and
down,
monitor
to
carolina
and
the
installation
of
detached
sidewalks,
as
proposed
on
the
site
plan.
Here,
the
planning
team
did
receive
several
letters
from
neighbors
expressing
concerns
with
traffic
impacts.
The
neighbors
do
not
want
the
subdivision.
Take
access
from
monitor
way.
They
contend
that
the
project
design
takes
access
for,
monitor
way
that
a
majority
of
the
traffic
will
use
raleigh
street.
AK
Then
holland
drive
to
access
five
miles
so
essentially
just
kind
of
show
you
the
street
network.
This
is
monitor
way
here
next,
the
property.
So
the
neighbors
contend
that
if
we,
if
the
two
access
points
are,
are
designed
as
proposed
that
a
majority
of
the
traffic
then
will
wind
their
way
up
this
here
and
then
back
out
this
direction
to
monitor
or
out
not
to
monitor,
but
to
a
to
five
mile.
Instead
of
turning
down
to
carolina
and
then
taking
carolina
straight
out.
AK
In
addition,
a
traffic
impact
study
was
not
performed
with
this
project,
and
none
of
and
no
traffic
impact
study
was
required
with
this
project.
In
addition,
and
there's
no
in
there's
no
evidence
to
indicate
that
a
majority
of
the
traffic
would
use
this
this
northern
route
to
access
to
access
the
road.
At
this
point
in
time.
AN
AN
AN
They
had
intended
to
put
a
school
here.
I
suspect
at
some
point
in
time,
but
this
became
a
surplus
property
because
they
had
facilities
that
were
already
you
know,
providing
schooling
for
this
area
and
therefore
they
put
it
up
for
public
auction,
and
my
client
was
the
awarded
bidder
on
that,
and
so
we
submitted
a
this
design.
AN
48
lots
as
david
mentioned,
3.2
dua
and
you
know
just
wanted
to
develop
it
for
the
zone
and
that's
what
we're
that's,
what
we're
recommending
we're
complying
with
all
the
requirements
of
the
r1b
zone.
We've
met
all
the
requirements
of
achd
policy.
They
have
reviewed
it
and
given
given
us
a
a
positive
response.
AN
AN
AN
AN
We
we
are
committed
to
doing
that
and
just
for
your
information
that
takes
our
landscape
plan
from
a
total
of
53
trees
to
a
total
of
118
trees,
so
definitely
a
significant
increase
in
the
canopy
there,
which
I
think
something
that
parks
is
is
pretty
pleased
with
and
in
fact
they
were
pleased
with
the
original
design
in
the
canopy
that
we
were
creating.
So
this
is
just
kind
of
the
icing
on
the
cake.
In
that
regard,
I
did
have
one
question
on
one
of
the
conditions,
and
it's
really
just
a
clarification.
AN
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
make
a
mistake
in
the
way
that
we
submitted
this
application
condition
number
11
under
the
subdivision
section.
It
mentions
something
about.
You
know
us
being
committed
to
this
name
of
the
monitor.
The
name.
Monitor
is
reserved
as
our
subdivision
name
at
this
point
and
that
we
can't
make
any
changes
unless
change
in
ownership
occurs.
AN
I
know
from
talking
to
my
client
that
they
do
not
intend
to
market
or
call
the
the
subdivision
monitor
way
or
place
or
anything
along
those
lines,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
something
assuming
or
hopefully,
if
we
get
approval
tonight,
is
there
something
that
we
can
do
to
kind
of
get
that
name
situation
sorted
out
before
the
council
hearing
and
if
so,
maybe
you
could
just
provide
some
guidance
and
we'll
take
care
of
that.
Should
we
be
successful
this
evening?
Other
than
that,
I
have
no
more
questions.
E
E
H
AK
Madam
madam
chair,
remember
the
commission:
they
have
a
greater
street
frontage
on
monitor
they
could.
Theoretically,
I
guess,
put
a
you-
could
have
designed
a
subdivision
that
had
an
access
point
out
of
carolina,
but
it
is
a
little
bit
tighter
and
there
is
achd.
I
think,
separation
standards
between
intersections
and
they
already
have
the
intersection
at
caroline
and
monitor
itself.
AK
So
they
couldn't
get
both
in
there
given
the
separation
standard,
but
they
could
have
fit
one,
but
it
then
it
it
kind
of
interferes
with
the
the
sort
of
logical
configuration
of
of
the
subdivision
in
the
layout
of
lots.
I
mean.
Maybe
the
applicants
can
speak
better
to
that.
But
if
you
had
a
one
winding
in
from
monitor
and
then
going
out
to
carolina,
it
gets
a
little
more
difficult
on
the
internal
configuration.
AN
You
betcha
yeah,
commissioner
finn
frock
and
madam
chairman
yeah.
We
did
a
number
of
configurations
when
we
were
first
started
working
on
the
design
and
layout
for
this,
and
we
also
met
or
got
some
feedback
from
david
in
regards
to
the
malad
street
extension,
and
so
we
kind
of
lined
up
with
malad
street
to
the
east
and
the
way
that
that's
you
can
see
that
we
have
a
stub
street
on
our
eastern
boundary
and
that's
intended
to
line
up
with
malad
street
at
some
point
in
time.
AN
AN
J
So
I
think,
there's
a
question
for
staff.
Maybe
david
can
answer
this
regarding.
So
this
is
the
first
one
of
these,
where
we've
there's
been
an
infill
development
that
the
boise
master,
the
pathway
plan
had
basically
sketched
a
route
through
this
parcel,
and
now
the
applicant
is
trying
to
comply
with
that,
and
so
the
friction
is.
Some
of
this
could
be
an
achd
right
away
versus
in
the
applicant's
subdivision.
AK
So
a
majority
of
the
property
is
actually
located
in
right
of
way
as
it
is
and
as
proposed.
You
know
under
the
unusual
circumstance
that
achd
wouldn't
allow
it
in
there.
Then
you
know
we
obviously
didn't
have
to
be
incorporated
on
site,
but
I
don't
see
how
achd
wouldn't
allow
the
pathway
in
there
right
away.
E
Commissioner
gillespie
did
you
have
a
question,
no
okay,
great.
If
there
are
no
further
questions.
Thank
you
then,
we'll
move
on
to
this
public
testimony.
I
have
two
people
that
signed
up
in
advance.
Please
just
come
right
on
up
to
the
podium
and
then
we'll
move
to
online
testimony
after
we've
met
everybody
in-house.
AO
Just
go
right
back
to
the
back.
Okay!
Thank
you.
May
please
the
commission,
my
name
is
stan
hefferman.
I
live
at
10372,
west,
holland
all
drive
and
I'm
one
of
the
people
that
has
been
complaining
because,
even
though
there
has
been
no
evidence
that
the
traffic
would
go
down
hall
and
dale
substantial
events
living
on
holland
dell,
I
know
most
of
the
traffic
would
go
that
way.
That's
the
way
it
is
now
carolina
is
a
was
an
easement
granted
to
the
school
district
for
access
to
that
lot
and
they
have
buffers
on
carolina.
AO
They
have
no
driveways
on
carolina,
there's
no
reason
not
to
have
an
entrance
on
carolina.
There's
four
lots
on
the.
I
believe
it's
the
south
side
of
the
the
track.
They
could
put
a
road
up
there
and
make
a
circle
around
and
still
have
the
same
number
of
homes
and
they
wouldn't
be
going
through
holland,
al
raleigh
people
right
now
in
right,
north
of
this
subdivision,
there's
a
loop
of
also
47
homes
and
there's
only
one
entrance
into
it
and
that's
monitor
street
and
so
at
monitor
and
raleigh.
AO
You'll
have
to
have
a
four-way
stop.
Also
on
on
raleigh,
it
monitors
it's,
I
think
it's
less
than
24
feet
wide
and
it's
40
feet
wide
on
carolina
and
monitor,
and
probably
there
would
be
no
impact
to
channel
people
channel
yeah,
channel
people
out
out
of
the
subdivision
on
carolina
through
entrance
and
exit
on
carolina.
AO
I
measured
on
my
gpi.
I
guess
I
had
gps
asked
my
gps
for
directions
from
the
marketplace
in
meridian
and
my
gps
and
my
car
took
me
down
carolina
to
go
to
that
address.
What
is
it
248
for
south
monitor?
The
gps
takes
me
down
carolina
on
my
car
on
my
phone.
It
takes
me
down
holland,
dell,
so
there's
a
50
50
chance
that
it's
going
to
be
channeled
down.
Holland,
dell.
AO
AO
AP
AP
My
objection
is
when
the
the
exit
coming
out
onto
monitor-
and
that
goes
straight
onto
hollandale
and
that's
they're
going
to
come
out
of
that
subdivision.
They
can't
come
out
of
that
subdivision,
they're
putting
in
and
they'll
go
right
on
the
holland
nail.
Okay
well
now,
right
on
cross,
monitor
on
in
allendale
the
other
street,
the
carolina
thing
they
don't
have
any
in
holland.
They
are.
AP
We
have
cars,
backing
up
into
the
the
road,
the
street
one
of
them's,
my
car,
our
car,
we're
backing
into
a
street
okay
on
the
on
carolina,
there's,
no
nobody
backing
into
it.
The
roads
are
all
coming
in
that
ma.
They
made
that
road
for
traffic.
They
made
that
road
for
the
school,
so
they
would
exit
down
that
road
all
right.
When
we
bought
hollandale
it
was
dead.
End!
AP
E
D
D
E
E
Sorry
about
that,
because
I
know
I'm
so
sorry
to
the
city,
staff
and
and
the
applicant,
because
I
know
this
hurts
everybody,
but
because
of
the
lateness
of
our,
I
know
that
item
11
has
a
lot
of
public
input
too,
and
we
at
the
city
try
not
to
take
any
new
business
after
9
30..
So
because
of
that
it
looks
like
we
would
defer
item
11
to
the
next
hearing,
which
would
be
the
august
first
hearing
the
next
available,
meaning
so
does
the
applicant
for
item
11?
E
E
E
E
N
G
E
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
AQ
E
Thank
you,
miss
george.
Is
there
anybody
else
in
the
house
here
that
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item?
Okay,
seeing
none
then
we'll
move
to
online
testimony.
I
see
several
hands
raised,
we'll
start
with
gail
nicholson
and
then
peter
reynolds,
and
if
you
would
like
to
testify,
please
raise
your
hand
now
so
miss
nicholson.
P
E
E
R
Yeah,
my
name
is
peter
reynolds.
I
live
at
10,
282,
west
hollanddale
drive
in
boise,
idaho
83709
we've
lived
in
this
home
for
33
years.
It
was
originally
a
dead
end
street
when
we
moved
in
they
built
the
whole
subdivision
behind,
etc.
Again,
I'm
concerned
with
the
with
the
outlet
traffic
coming
down,
monitor
way.
R
Just
like
my
neighbors,
it's
a
safety
issue.
We
have
children
on
this
street.
The
street
was
never
designed
for
that
kind
of
high
volume,
traffic
or
speed.
It's
it's
a
fairly
straight
street.
It's
often
used
as
a
race
track.
Dragway
people
often
hit
in
excess
30
miles
an
hour
right
now
coming
out
of
that
other
subdivision,
and
it's
just
going
to
increase
traffic,
and
you
know
we're
just
concerned
about
safety
and
children,
and
if
the
other
subdivision
that
surrounds
this
news
proposal
was
carolina
was
designed
for
access
to
that
property
for.
G
R
School
and
it
should
be
designed
to
take
those
that
traffic
onto
carolina,
which
doesn't
have
any
driveways
doesn't,
is
a
wider
street,
doesn't
have
any
cars
parked
on
it,
doesn't
have
any
children
right?
Well,
okay,
there's
children
running
around,
but
anyway,
bicycles,
etc.
That
has
bigger,
sidewalks
has
better
lighting
at
night,
our
street
only
has
three
barely
three
street
lights
that
were
put
in
a
few
few
years
back.
It
used
to
be
a
really
dark
alley,
and
now
it
does
at
least
have
those
three
but
has
minimal
lighting
at
night.
E
AI
Terrific,
my
name
is
sandy
perky.
I
live
at
98.74,
west
carolina
drive,
boise,
idaho
83709,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
about
several
questions.
Actually,
the
type
of
housing
we
keep
hearing
different
things.
Is
it
going
to
be
high-end
rentals?
Is
it
going
to
be
townhouses
single-family
homes,
people
keep
asking
that
I've
seen
a
lot
of
renderings
of
other
neighborhoods
tonight.
AI
E
AI
My
my
number
one
issue
at
this
point
is
carolina
and
charleston
subdivision
are
run
with
an
hoa,
which
means
we
pay
big
dues
and
we
take
care
of
our
property.
Now.
My
understanding
is
this:
new
development
will
not
have
any
hoa
at
all,
and
that
concerns
me
because
of
the
fact
that
it
could
run
down
our
property
values
quickly
and
also
it
means
you
know
another
48
homes
using
our
amenities
that
we're
paying
for.
So
that
is
a
concern.
AI
I
have
the
field
development
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
it
was
to
be
a
school
and
it's
been
that
way
for
the
21
years.
I've
been
here
now
the
voles,
the
mice,
the
moles,
the
gophers,
have
all
moved
into
that
field
when
they
start
developing
that
field.
All
of
those
vermin
are
going
to
move
into
our
existing
homes,
and
I
wanted
to
know
about
mitigation
on
that.
AI
AI
We
are
surrounded
completely
by
the
charleston
hoa
and
there's
just
this
one
little
area
right
here
in
this
field
that
is
not
in
the
hoa,
so
they
would
be
completely
surrounded,
but
the
irrigation
pump
that
we
have
for
our
subdivision
is
not
sufficient.
It
goes
down
every
summer,
sometimes
for
weeks
on
end
where
you
have
no
water
for
your
lawn.
You
have
nothing,
and
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
the
people
who
are
looking
at
it.
E
AR
Hi,
my
name
is
pauline
dial
and
I
live
at
2547
south
monitor
way
and
the
one
exit
will
come
out
right
in
front
of
my
home
and
my
concerns
again,
as
many
have
stated,
are
the
traffic.
I.
I
find
it
kind
of
ironic
that,
with
all
these
traffic
concerns
that
there
has
been
no
survey
done-
and
I
would
encourage
that-
maybe
we
postpone
this
or
we
re-look
at
this
issue
after
a
survey
or
study,
has
been
done
on
the
impact
that
this
will
have
on
our
neighborhood.
AR
We
do
have
off
street
parking
and
we
have
four
adults
living
at
our
house
and
we
have
cars
that
we
have
to
park
on
that
street
and
when,
when
cars
are
parked
there,
that
is
going
to
limit
it
down
to
almost
a
one
lane
road.
So
I
would
hope
that
maybe
they
could
defer
and
look
at
and
do
a
survey
of
the
impact
of
traffic.
AR
We
have
lived
there
for
21
years
since
the
subdivision
was
started.
We
were
aware
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
school
and
we
were
also
aware
that
the
traffic
would
come
in
and
off
of
carolina
and
that
street
is
developed
for
that.
It's
much
wider
and
the
homes
face
the
opposite
directions:
there's
no
home
traffic
pulling
out
onto
the
street
at
that
area,
and
so
we
just
hope
that
you
would
consider
changing
the
plans
just
a
little.
It
might
take.
You
know
one
or
two
homeworks
away,
which
I
know
in
the
development.
AR
E
AS
AS
I
still
can
back
out
of
my
my
driveway
and
have
somebody
right
up
my
my
in
my
rearview
mirror,
even
though
I've
cleared
my
mirror,
this
project
should
have
never
gotten
out
of
planning.
I
don't
understand
why
they're
not
using
charleston
place,
I'm
not
going
to
be
quite
as
polite
as
some
of
my
other
neighbors
are.
This
is
poor
planning,
there's
a
boulevard
used
for
that
purpose
and
the
developer
is
not
being
a
friend
to
our
community.
AS
E
AJ
AJ
AJ
So
again,
I
want
to
reiterate
what
all
of
my
neighbors
have
said.
We,
this
neighborhood,
is
really
talking
to
each
other
about
this
and
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
hear
more
from
us
about
this
issue.
I
thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
also
one
last
note.
If
nothing
else
can
be
done,
at
least
something
needs
to
be
done
to
either
block
off
that
raleigh
street
entrance
to
hollandale
or
create
some
sort
of
speed
barriers
that
will
slow
traffic
down,
even
if
this
weren't
going
in.
E
AT
AT
I
have
three
sons:
they
are
12
to
or
10
to
8
or
whatever
and
they're
always
running
around
the
neighborhood,
and
even
as
it
is
this
little
s
bend
that
I'm
on
and
I'm
literally
out
in
the
on
my
driveway
right
now.
It
does
become
kind
of
a
challenge
and
a
hazard
for
anyone,
even
if
they're
not
intentionally
playing
in
the
street.
To
just
be
cautious
of
this,
my
wife
can't
back
out
of
her
driveway
without
running
into
you,
know
the
potential
of
a
car
coming
in
and
from
either
turn.
AT
You
know
coming
in
off
of
holland,
dale
or
coming
down
from
monitor
on
onto
georgetown.
For
a
brief
moment,
I
back
in
every
time
so
that
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
backing
in
my
truck,
but
we
can't
do
that
all
the
time,
so
my
consideration
would
be
to
to
reroute
through
carolina
and
also
just
a
consideration
that
the
hollandale
road,
particularly
under
inclement
weather,
like
winter
time,
if
we
have
another
snowmageddon,
that
corner,
is
like
an
ice
rink.
AT
E
E
AD
One
issue
that
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
and
think
about
that
hasn't
come
up
is
not
only
with
increased
traffic.
It
also
means
increased
people.
Increased
eyes
means
the
privacy
and
security
of
our
host
house
just
a
lot
of
people
in
the
area.
I
think
it's
way
too
many
lots
for
the
size
of
the
area
people
like
to
move
to
this
area
because
of
the
lot
size
they
like
to
have
some
yard
space.
AD
So
it's
something
that
people
really
looked
for
and
they
just
the
the
area
and
how
it
the
feel
of
it
and
if
it
is
going
to
be
rentals,
that
is
something
that
is
going
to
definitely
bring
a
different,
could
potentially
bring
some
different
demographics
or
different
feel
to
the
neighborhood
things
like
that.
I
think
it
to
keep
it
congruent
lot.
Size
is
important
to
people
around
here.
That's
why
we
move
in,
but
definitely
we
need
some
speed
checks.
We
need
something.
I
have
kids.
AD
My
kid
was
on
a
bicycle
and
crossing
the
road.
Looked
both
ways
in
that
curve
that
georgian
had
others
have
just
talked
about,
and
if
my
husband
was
not
right
on
his
tail
and
screamed
at
the
driver,
barreling
through
it
would
have
hit
him,
I
mean
he
had
to
have
been
going
at
least
30
miles
an
hour.
It's
just
it's
ridiculous,
this
the
speeding,
but
also
our
irrigation
system.
It
won't
support
all
these
extra
houses,
our
safety.
We
don't
know
what
other
kind
of
people
are
coming
in
to
here.
AD
I
just
I
we've
had
thefts
already
in
our
neighborhood
over
the
last
few
years,
just
a
lot
of
people
that
just
extra
people
that
we,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
put
the
that
size
of
lot
and
that
size
of
I
think
the
density
is
too
dense
for
this
area.
People
like
this
area
just
to
the
east
on
the
malad
street
and
all
over
there.
They
are
one
acre
lots.
AD
Our
street
here
on
the
older
hollandale
are
half
acre,
lots
or
close
to
it
and
then
near
quarter
acre
lots.
I
think
it's
absolutely
way
too
dense
and
it
needs
to
be
reconsidered,
as
well
as
everything
else
that
everyone
has
said
with
the
rerouting
and
the
traffic
issues.
It's
ridiculous
added
people,
I'm
concerned
for
the
safety
and
security
of
our
house
because
of
all
the
extra
traffic
and
those
are
some
of
the
and
the
irrigation
support,
and
it's
just
not
able
to
to
support
what's
here
in
that
density.
AN
AN
AN
We
are
matching
the
zone
here
where
we
didn't
ask
for
any
rezones.
We
basically
looked
at
what
the
zone
was
and
we
looked
at
the
neighborhood
and
we
developed
a
design
that
you
know
is
really
kind
of
exactly
under
the
code
that
the
other
lots
are
around
it.
And
so
we
felt
like
that's
what
would
have
least
impact
on
the
existing
neighborhood
and
that's
the
direction
that
we
went
there.
AN
I
know
that
the
city
really
is
pushing
these
days
for
higher
density,
and
in
this
case
we
didn't
feel
like
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
to
go
there
and
we
felt
like
it
was
just
better
to
match
the
zone
and
we're
about
a
unit
per
acre
lower
than
the
allowed
density
by
code,
but
back
to
the
traffic.
So
we
need
to
have
two
accesses
into
the
subdivision
and
there's
no
question
about
that.
So
then
it
come.
AN
So
then,
if
we
did
put
one
on
carolina,
I
guess
the
conversation
would
become,
which
access
are
we
going
to
keep
on,
monitor
way
and
achd?
And
I
think
it
is
good.
Traffic
policy
tells
us
that
it's
really
good
that
we
line
up
our
intersections,
and
so
I
think
that
the
northern
access
that
lines
up
with
with
londoner
is
really
the
best
location
for
a
well.
Actually.
AN
These
folks
are
concerned
that
they're
backing
out
of
their
driveways
all
the
time.
Well,
the
last
thing
I
think
that
the
residents
of
our
subdivision
going
to
want
to
do
is
run
the
gauntlet
of
people
backing
out
of
their
driveways.
Every
morning
I
mean
it
really
does
make
a
lot
of
sense
for
people
to
use
the
route
out
carolina
and
I
think
that
once
they
learn
the
challenges
and
they
identify
the
driving
patterns,
that's
where
most
of
the
traffic
is
going
to
go
now.
AN
And
so
at
that
point
it
doesn't
matter
where
the
entrances
are.
I
feel
like.
48
units
are
not
in
creating
an
amount
of
traffic.
That
is,
is
really
to
have
a
concern
about.
I
know
that's
easy
for
me
to
say
I'm
not
in
these
people's
homes
and
again
I
mean
no
disrespect
to
these
comments,
but
achd
doesn't
have
us.
Do
a
traffic
report
on
any
development,
that's
under
150
units
because
the
impact
is
so
minimal
and
they
know
that
the
you
know
the
money
that
you
spend
on
traffic
studies.
AN
AN
I
also
heard
someone
say
that
carolina
is
an
easement,
that's
dedicated
to
the
school
district
for
access
I
mean
that
is
I
mean
I.
I
read
that
in
a
in
a
written
letter
and
I
had
my
surveyor
dive
back
into
the
deeds
and
I
mean
there's
just
no
truth
in
that
comment.
Carolina
is
an
achd
right
away.
It's
there
as
a
public
road.
AN
AN
AN
Now
that
we
are
bringing
more
property
online,
but
yet
to
be
determined,
but
we
do
have
rights
to
the
pump
station
and
then
the
last
one,
I
think
that's
important,
is
in
regards
to
fencing
my
client
would
prefer
to
replace
all
of
the
perimeter
fencing
on
the
north
side.
We
have
bud
existing
lots
on
the
south
side.
We
have,
but
a
few
existing
lots.
My
client
is
more
than
willing
to
replace
all
of
that
fencing
so
that
it
matches
all
the
fencing
and
development.
AN
E
E
D
I
would
also
point
out
just
you
know
if,
if
you
look
at
the
staff
report,
it's
interesting
on
on
all
the
other
staff
reports
tonight,
there's
there's
criteria
for
the
decision
for
the
to
type
a
permit
that
we
have
to
find
well
in
a
subdivision
in
a
straight
subdivision
application
where
the
applicant
meets
the
bare
language
of
the
code,
you
will
notice
in
this
staff
report.
There
are
no
approval
criteria,
I'm
not
an
expert,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
sideways
with
james
this
late
at
night.
D
But
my
guess
is
that's
because
lupa,
which
is
the
state
law
that
enables
planning
and
zoning
it's
if
you
meet
the
requirements
for
a
subdivision.
It's
it's
it's.
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
automatic,
but
the
city's
ability
to
intervene,
I
think
is-
is
more
limited
and
in
this
particular
case
I
just
can't
find
any
you
know
adverse
impacts
or
issues
that
are
within
the
jurisdiction
of
this
commission
or
or
even
problems.
If
they
were
so,
I
you
know,
I
support
this
subdivision.
H
H
G
H
And
I'm
going
to
keep
it
simple,
but
they
do
talk
about
the
carolina
drive.
They
talk
about.
District
policy
requires
driveways
their
intersections
to
be
located
a
minimum
of
75
feet
from
the
nearest
local
street
intersection.
And
so,
if
there's
question
about
that,
you
can
kind
of
you
go
look
at
the
achd
staffer.
You
know
the
comments
and
it
kind
of
outlines
it.
H
While
you
know
why
the
applicant
had
some
issues
with
that,
so
it
is
there
and-
and
it
is
correct
they
would
have
to
put
in
a
driveway
approach
request
and
there's
some
hoops
they
would
have
had
to
jump
through.
So
there's
some
also
some
like,
I
said
some
issues
with
doing
it
on
or
at
least
making
that
access
onto
carolina
drive-
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there,
because
that's
also
in
our
staff
report-
and
you
could
read
through
that.
J
Yeah,
I
agree
with
the
traffic
comments
and
but
I
wanted
to
bring
up
one
of
the
comments
that
didn't
get
registered.
I
want
to
throw
this
out
for
the
applicant
and
the
staff.
I
agree
with
monitoring
carolina
discussions
a
bit
but,
more
importantly,
the
new
neighbors
that
are
going
to
live
in
this
in
this
subdivision.
Milad
street's
the
biggest
issue,
it's
as
achd
says
in
their
staff
report,
it's
a
750
foot
straight
and
then
in
the
late
correspondence,
the
mitigation
that
the
applicant
made
was
minor.
J
In
my
opinion,
so
the
folks
that
are
going
to
live
on
the
new
milad
street
are
going
to
be
subject
to
all
kinds
of
future
problems
with
speeding,
neighbors
they're
going
to
be
asking
for
speed
humps
soon,
especially
to
that
stub
street.
So
I
think
there
could
have
been
a
better
street
design,
but
I
agree
with
commissioner
gillespie
that
out
of
our
purview,
I
just
wanted
to
make
my
comments,
probably
in
honor
of
commissioner
danley,
that
this
was
a
poor
street
design.