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A
Not
everyone's
here
yet,
but
we
can
get
started
just
reviewing
the
agenda.
That's
all
we've
got
this
evening
for
work
session
and
a
long
bathroom
break
so
we'll
have
minutes
from
april
to
approve
then
number
one
cp
21-17
on
3308
north
coal
road
is
the
cup
to
increase
the
height
of
a
wireless
communication
facility.
A
We
are
recommending
approval,
we're
not
aware
of
any
opposition,
so
we
can
try
for
the
consent
agenda.
A
A
A
Number
four
cop
21-15
cup
for
a
35
foot
tall
wireless
communication
facility
at
40,
north
oahe
street.
We
are
the
applicants,
requested
deferral
to
june
7th.
So
we
need
a
separate
motion
for
deferral.
A
A
A
Number
seven
car
21-12
a
rezone
on
at
2801
west
palu
street.
This
is
a
rezone
of
2.23
acres
from
r1c
to
lodda.
We
are
recommending
approval.
A
We
we
do
have
some
opposition
in
your
packet,
so
we
will
be
hearing
that
one
this
evening.
A
A
And
then
number
nine
see
our
21-8
modification
to
a
development
agreement
for
starview
drive
in
boulder
heights
has
been
withdrawn.
There's
no
motion
tonight
but,
madam
chair,
if
you
could
just
note
that
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing
this
evening,
since
it
was
noticed
so
in
summary,
we
will
be
hearing
items
5
and
7
and
item
4
deferral
to
june
7th
and
item
9
is
withdrawn
and
that's
it.
A
A
C
C
A
Everyone
from
the
public
entering
the
hearing
virtually
has
been
automatically
muted
and
cannot
speak
as
the
item
you're
interested
in
comes
up
for
discussion,
you'll
be
called
upon
and
unmuted
there
is
a
chat
function
in
zoom.
This
is
not
part
of
the
record
and
should
only
be
used
if
technical
difficulties
arise.
A
After
that,
we
proceed
to
public
testimony,
starting
with
those
who
are
in
person,
then
who
signed
up
on
the
online
sign
up
sheet
in
advance
and
then
anyone
else
who
raises
their
hand
virtually
if
you're
attending
through
your
telephone,
you
can
type
in
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
each
member
of
the
public
is
allowed
up
to
3
minutes
for
testimony.
We
are
strict
with
this
time
as
it
is
limited
in
code.
A
Finally,
the
applicant
is
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal,
after
which
the
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
deliberate
and
render
a
decision.
Tonight's
agenda
and
proceedings
might
have
a
bit
of
a
delay
as
we
navigate
through
the
technology.
Please
be
courteous
and
kind
while
we
venture
through
this
hybrid
format.
Madam
chair,
you.
B
Have
the
floor?
Thank
you.
Celine.
We
are
citizen,
volunteers
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
the
city
council.
We
make
final
decisions
on
conditional
use,
permits,
variances
and
appeals
and
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
subdivisions,
rezones,
annexations
and
code
or
comprehensive
plan
amendments.
Any
decision
made
tonight
may
be
appealed
to
the
city
council,
provided
that
the
appeal
is
filed
within
10
days
of
this
hearing.
In
order
to
file
an
appeal
you
must
have
given
written
or
oral
testimony
at
tonight's
meeting.
B
So
that's
why
it's
important
that
you
give
your
name
and
address
when
you
testify
tonight.
We
utilize
a
consent
agenda.
This
means
that
if
the
applicant
agrees
with
the
staff
report
and
if
there's
no
public
opposition,
the
item
will
be
placed
on
the
consent
agenda.
All
items
that
are
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved
with
one
motion.
Without
further
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
consent
agenda,
we
will
hold
a
full
public
hearing
and
the
order
just
detailed
a
few
moments
ago,
with
staff,
applicant
neighborhood
association
and
then
the
public
testimony.
E
D
Sounds
good
dan
lee
here
seven
present
one
absent.
B
B
Here,
remember
that
part
about
patience
as
we
navigate
through
the
technology
turn
our
speakers
on
okay.
So
first
I
wanted
to
note
that
item
nine
has
been
withdrawn,
that
is,
car
21-8
clark,
wardell
llp
at
3150,
east
rv
drive
that
one
has
been
withdrawn,
so
we
won't
be
looking
at
that
tonight.
Next,
we
have.
Let's
see
we
have
a
request
to
defer
item
number
four
to
june
7th.
This
is
cop.
21-15
technology
associates
ec
inc,
I'm
requesting
referral
to
june
7
2021.
B
This
is
at
40
north
oahu
street.
A
conditional
use
permit
for
a
35
foot
tall
wireless
communication
facility.
Is
there
anybody
present
wanting
to
testify
who
could
not
return
to
the
june
7th
hearing?
Please
raise
your
hand
or
do
so
virtually
if
you
are
online
with
us.
G
H
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
without
objection
we
will
place
the
minutes
from
our
april
5th
2021
hearing
in
our
april
12
2021
hearing
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
one.
This
is
cup
21-17
for
comscapes
at
3308
north
coal
road.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
height
of
an
existing
wireless
communication
facility.
B
Is
the
applicant
present.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
in
person.
If
you
are
here
great
and
todd,
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
B
Thank
you
and
is
there
anybody
present
tonight
that
was
looking
to
testify
in
opposition
of
this
item
tonight.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
B
Okay,
seeing
none,
then
we
will
place
item
number
one
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
two.
This
is
cba
21-11
for
ma
architecture,
studio
at
2420,
west
woodlawn
avenue.
This
is
a
variance
to
encroach
on
the
side
on
the
street
side.
Step
back
is
the
applicant
present.
B
Thank
you
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Great,
let
the
record
please
show
that
they
are
and
is
there
anybody
present.
That
was
looking
to
testify
in
opposition
of
item
number
two
tonight
I
see
one
hand
virtually
raised
and
noah.
Are
you
oh,
wait
the
hand
just
went
down
if
anybody
is
present
to
testify
in
opposition
of
item
number
two
tonight,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
in
person.
B
Okay,
seeing
no
hands
raised
and
we'll
place
item
two
on
the
consent
agenda.
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
three.
This
is
cop21-11
for
veterinary
orthopedic
and
surgical
care
center
at
201,
west
boise
avenue
conditional
use
permit
for
an
animal
hospital.
B
Is
the
applicant
present
I'm
here
hi
mark
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Oh.
J
B
Great
is
there
anybody
present
that
would
like
to
testify
in
opposition
of
item
number
three
tonight.
Please
virtually
raise
your
hand
or
in
person.
B
The
next
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
six.
This
is
car
21-11
for
verilyn
and
lao
smith.
Lowell
smith,
1833
south
vanella
street-
and
this
is
a
rezone
of
.85
acres.
Is
the
applicant
present
great?
I
see
a
hand
raised
online
and
are
you
certain
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report.
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none,
then
we
will
place
item
number
six
onto
the
consent
agenda.
The
last
item
for
consideration
is
item
number
eight.
This
is
cva
21-6
for
don
brown
at
1412
north
8th
street.
This
is
a
variance
to
encroach
into
the
front
setback.
Is
the
applicant
present
yes
hi
there
and
are
you
in
agreement
with
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
staff
report?
Yes
great
and
is
there
anybody
present
tonight
that
would
like
to
speak
in
opposition
of
this
item
tonight?
B
Yeah,
thank
you
we're
not
there.
Yet.
Okay,
great,
I
don't
see
any
opposition
to
item
number
eight,
so
we
will
go
ahead
and
place
item
eight
on
the
consent
agenda
and
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion.
B
B
Great,
do
we
have
a
second
second
great
second
from
commissioner
moore.
Thank
you.
If
there
is
no
discussion,
will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote
instead,.
L
B
Great
okay,
so
we
are
moving
then
right
along
to
item
number
five.
This
is
beauty
21-10
for
rodney,
evans
and
partners
llc
at
1514,
south
shoshone
street.
It
also
includes
suv
21-18
for
helens
village
subdivision.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
planned
residential
development
and
a
preliminary
plot
for
residential
subdivision.
M
Before
you
is
a
request
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
planned
residential
development
comprised
of
15
new
townhomes
and
the
reconversion
of
an
existing
office
space
back
to
a
single-family
home
preliminary
plat
application
has
also
included
establishing
16
residential
lots
for
each
of
the
homes
and
one
common
lot.
The
0.78
acre
property
is
located
at
1514
south
shoshone
street,
shown
here
in
red
at
the
corner
of
shonen
overland,
which
is
just
down
the
road
from
the
vista
and
overland
community
activity
center.
Mr.
M
Here's
the
slide
orientating
yourself
there
you
can
see
near
the
intersection
of
vista
and
overland
on
the
north
east
corner
of
shoshone
and
overland
road.
M
The
subject
property
has
a
mixed-use
land,
use
designation
and
is
zoned
lod,
which
conditionally
allows
residential
densities
of
up
to
43.5
units
per
acre.
The
surrounding
properties,
immediately
adjacent
to
overland,
consist
of
a
mixture
of
commercial
office
and
retail
uses.
Residential
neighborhoods
primarily
made
up
of
detached
single-family
homes
lie
outside
of
this
commercial
corridor,
both
to
the
north
and
south.
Multiple
transit
options
do
exist
on
the
site
as
a
bus.
Stop
is
located
at
the
intersection
and
shoshone
street
is
a
designated
bikeway
connecting
the
downtown
area
to
the
airport.
M
M
So
I'm
sure
you
noticed
that
the
original
plan
submitted
with
these
applications
proposed
demolishing
this
existing
building
and
instead
had
18
total
townhomes.
After
discussions
with
the
planning
team,
this
plan
was
revised
to
the
one
you
currently
see
before
you
with
the
retention
of
the
building
and
the
adaptive
reuse
of
what
is
currently
off
the
space.
So
this
is
supported
by
multiple
goals
and
policies
of
blueprint,
boise
and
the
loss
of
this
nearly
90
year
old
home
was
a
major
item
of
concern
for
the
neighborhood
and
initial
correspondence
received.
M
Vehicular
access
is
provided
via
shared
drive
out
to
shoshone
street,
which
leads
to
individual
two-car
garage
garages
for
each
new
home,
as
well
as
two
spaces
included
for
the
existing
home
on
its
individual
lot.
Nine
guest
spaces
are
proposed,
though
it's
worth
noting
that
two
of
these
shown
here
in
orange
are
in
the
required
setbacks
and
will
need
to
either
be
removed
or
reconfigured.
M
M
M
As
I
identified
in
your
project
report,
the
elevations
facing
overland
do
need
some
work,
so
a
recommended
condition
of
approval
requires
the
revision
of
these
elevations
to
at
a
minimum.
Continue.
The
brick
work
along
the
base
of
the
buildings
include
additional
fenestration
modulation
to
increase
the
architectural
interest
and
to
face
the
door
towards
the
roadway.
As
you
know,
this
development
is
required
to
go
through
a
design
review
application
and
there
will
be
a
large
amount
of
emphasis
placed
on
pulling
over
as
many
design
features
from
that
existing
house
over
to
these
new
town
homes.
M
It
is
also
worth
noting
that,
with
the
this,
these
conditions
of
approval,
the
design
would
meet
the
basic
standards
for
the
citywide
design
standards
and
guidelines.
M
So
the
planning
team
did
receive
a
fair
number
of
comments,
both
for
and
against
the
proposal
which
were
included
at
the
project
report
and
your
late
correspondence
concerns
centered
around
the
density
of
the
project
being
compatible
with
the
existing
residential
neighborhood.
The
lack
of
on-site
open
space
traffic
impacts
and
concerns
that
not
enough
parking
is
being
provided.
M
They
also
mentioned
the
desirability
of
townhomes
being
provided
to
the
mixture
of
residential
options
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
hope
you
saw
in
your
late
correspondence
packets.
There
were
a
couple
of
minor
modifications
to
their
original
recommended
conditions
of
approval,
but
it
might
be
worth
just
briefly
going
over
those
for
site
specific
condition.
Five
there
we
did
receive
some
preliminary
feedback
from
the
applicant
that
there
may
be
some
conflicts
with
the
irrigation
easement
that
could
affect
the
ability
ability
to
detach
the
sidewalks
or
plant
street
trees
along
overland
road.
M
As
you
know,
we
still
do
have
the
the
dr
approval
and
the
final
flat
applications
to
ensure
that
the
best
possible
layout
is
achieved.
We
did
also
just
receive
a
draft
achd
report
literally
a
couple
hours
ago,
and
it
does
sound
like
that.
Intersection
there
actually
shown
in
overland
is
scheduled
for
some
improvements
to
improve
ada
access,
and
we
should
be
getting
a
complete
design
for
what
those
could
look
like
kind
of
late
this
year
early
next
year.
M
So
obviously
the
applicant
will
have
to
comply
with
any
standards
that
came
along
with
that
as
well,
and
then
the
the
second
change
that
you
see
here
is
really
just
me,
apparently
not
knowing
my
eastern
and
western
property
line,
so
apologize
apologies
for
that.
M
So
in
conclusion,
and
as
detailed
in
the
project
report
and
highlighted
in
this
presentation,
the
planning
team
finds
the
applicant's
proposal
to
be
consistent
with
the
standards
of
approval,
including
the
development
code,
blueprint
boise
and
the
requirements
of
all
reviewing
agencies
and
departments.
M
B
Thank
you,
mr
holmes.
Next
we
have
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant.
Mr
simple,
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
we'll
start
with
10
minutes.
N
N
It's
originally
constructed
in
1935
and
converted
into
an
office
building
in
approximately
the
mid
70s
and
has
been
that
way.
Since
I
do
want
to
make
sure
to
state
that
we
are
in
agreement
with
the
conditions
of
approval
in
the
staff
report,
as
well
as
the
updated
conditions.
In
the
late
correspondence
memo,
we
have
been
working
with
achd
regarding
the
sidewalk
condition
along
overland.
N
Specifically
they've
indicated
they
are
rebuilding
that
sidewalk
and
the
intersection
ada
ramps,
as
well
as
moving
some
of
the
cabinets
and
light
pole
and
some
other
stuff,
because
there
is
a
traffic
light
at
this
intersection
from
shoshone
onto
overland,
we
would
be
amenable
to
the
detachment
of
the
sidewalk
along
shoshone.
We
do
have
some
adequate
right-of-way.
There.
Part
of
the
achd
staff
report
talked
about
additional
dedication
of
right-of-way
along
overland.
N
If
that
becomes
the
case,
it
impacts
the
project
a
little
bit
and
we
feel
that
detaching
sidewalk
there
would
break
up
the
available
green
space
that
is
shown
here,
especially
if
we
can't
accommodate
street
trees
and
then
have
a
detached
sidewalk.
That's
really
close
to
those
buildings,
even
with
dr
and
some
of
the
design
review
and
some
of
the
architectural
modifications
we'll
be
making
to
the
elevations
along
overland
to
improve
that.
N
We
feel
like
having
as
wide
of
a
continuous
green
space
along
overland
is
really
going
to
be
beneficial
for
the
project,
as
well
as
people
that
are
going
back
and
forth
past
here.
I
do
understand
that
the
need
to
detach
a
sidewalk
to
help
pedestrians
feel
more
comfortable.
N
Ultimately,
that
exposes
the
front
porches
of
three
of
these
units
to
the
traffic.
That's
right
along
overland
as
well.
If
we
can
keep
it
this
way,
we
have
essentially
a
12
foot
landscape
buffer
between
the
sidewalk
and
those
structures
that
we
feel
would
be
very,
very
beneficial
to
those
units
not
only
because
of
traffic
but
because
of
sun
exposure
coming
off
of
overland.
It
get
really
hot
on
that
south
side.
N
N
They
have
a
the
garage
and
I
believe
maybe
the
next
slide
kevin
might
show
yeah.
So
lower
level
is
garage,
oversized
front
porch
for
entry,
then
the
entry
and
then
the
stairwell
to
the
second
floor.
The
second
floor
has
the
kitchen,
dining
and
living
and
then
has,
and
then
the
third
floor
is
the
master,
suite
a
bedroom
and
then
a
small
office.
N
Knowing
that
there's
been
some,
you
know
dealing
with
covid
and
a
lot
of
people
working
from
home.
Rather
than
trying
to
squeeze
three
bedrooms
into
this.
These
units
we
felt
like
a
more
appropriate
design,
would
be
for
a
two
bedroom
with
a
small
office
that
would
allow
work
from
home.
It
also
reduces
really
the
number
of
residents,
probably
not
a
lot
of
families
unless
it's
a
very
small
family,
with
a
young
child.
Moving
into
these,
we
anticipate
this
as
kind
of
younger
professionals
working
in
the
area
close
to
downtown.
N
As
I
stated,
these
all
have
two-car
garages.
This
unit
is
the
same
width
as
multiple
other
projects
that
have
come
through
recently
and
they
do
hold
two
cars
in
those
garages
accessed
from
very
similar
if
not
narrower,
drives
I'm
still
meeting
code.
Obviously
there
are
nine
additional
on-site
guest
parking
spots.
We
do
see
that
there
are
a
little
bit
of
an
encroachment
into
that
northeast
corner
and
then
into
the
overland
road
frontage.
N
N
Keep
in
mind
also
that
currently
there's
a
parking
lot
between
that
building
and
overland.
So
it's
actually
reduction
in
asphalt.
One
thing
it
did
do
for
us:
it
increased
our
guest
parking
spaces
by
reorienting
the
site.
This
way,
it
also
allowed
us
to
have
a
open
green
space
there.
Next
to
the
parking
and
in
front
of
that
existing
structure,
it
allows
visibility
into
that
building
and
the
architectural
interest
that's
involved
with
that.
N
Additionally,
there's
been
some
concerns
about
privacy.
Obviously
there
is
an
existing
residence
to
the
north
of
here.
They
have
extensive
landscaping
on
their
property.
I
met
with
them
this
past
friday
to
discuss.
You
know
what
we
could
do,
I'm
going
to
be
doing
some
studies
on
line
of
sight
from
the
windows
that
are
on
the
second
floor
are
the
only
full
operable
windows
on
those
north
facades
and
that's
in
the
dining
room
space
of
these
units.
N
There's
another
there's
been
some
comments
about
trash.
We
did
get
feedback
from
boise,
the
public
works
or
I'm
sorry
solid
waste
department
that
we
will
be
paying
for
enhanced
or
carryout
service
on
these.
So
there
won't
be
trash
and
recycling
bins
out
on
shoshone.
N
I
did
talk
about
working
with
achd
on
the
sidewalks
and
the
frontage
improvements.
There
is
some
irrigation
delivery.
It's
pretty
limited
the
number
of
people
that
work
off
of
this
and
I've
discussed
again
with
the
neighbor
to
the
north
who's,
also,
the
rotation
manager
about
how
we
best
address
the
the
continued
delivery
to
his
property,
as
well
as
to
to
provide
pressurized
irrigation
to
this
one.
N
In
the
staff
report
it
talked
about
future
cross
access
to
the
east.
We
are
open
to
that.
I
don't
anticipate
that
property
redeveloping
anytime
soon.
It's
currently
a
working
daycare
or
preschool
potentially
and
there's
been
no
indications
that
they
they're
going
to
move
anytime
soon,
but
we
would
be
open
to
that
if
it
does
happen.
N
N
N
There's
a
bike
or
I'm
sorry,
bus
stop
immediately
at
the
intersection
of
shoshone
and
overland
we're
not
requesting
a
parking
reduction,
even
though
I
do
believe
that
it
would
be
justified
if
we
wanted
to
pursue
that
connectivity
within
the
blueprint.
Boise
is
obviously
a
big
thing.
Implementing
the
recommendations
of
the
central
bench,
neighborhood
pedestrian
and
bicycle
plan
kind
of
has
already
been
done
for
us.
A
little
bit
shochon
has
been
designated
a
bikeway
there's
a
bike
lane
on
the
east
side
of
shoshone.
N
One
thing
that
kind
of
an
unintended
consequence
of
saving
not
necessarily
consequence,
but
one
thing
that
came
out
of
saving
the
existing
structure
was
because
we're
going
to
reduce
the
amount
of
grading
on
the
site
due
to
the
elevation
of
the
home
in
relation
to
the
grade,
it
could
potentially
allow
us
to
save
some
more
trees
on
the
north
side.
N
Unfortunately,
with
the
retention
of
that
home,
we
had
to
relocate
our
entry
drive
to
the
northern
northwest
corner,
which
does
eliminate
a
couple
other
larger
trees.
We
are
mitigating
for
the
removal.
We
are
planting,
71,
trees
on
this
site
and
we're
saving
anywhere
from
three
to
five
of
the
trees
on
the
site
as
well.
Working
with
the
neighbor
again,
there's
a
couple
leaners
out
there,
some
really
tall
pines
that
probably
end
the
life
in
their
urban
setting
that
need
to
come
down
anyway.
N
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
other
items
within
blueprint
boise,
as
well
as
the
central
bench
neighborhood
association
plan,
talking
about
all
of
the
goals
that
we
really
have
for
this
project,
incorporating
it
into
this
neighborhood
and
allowing
for
you
know
some
more
inventory
in
our
housing
that
we
desperately
need
in
boise
right
now
to
help
mitigate
some
of
the
costs
that
are
involved.
B
Thank
you,
mr
simple.
Before
we
get
to
questions
from
the
commission,
I
will
just
check
to
see.
Do
we
have
anybody
present
tonight
representing
the
depot
bench
or
vista.
O
My
name
is
dave
kangas
I
reside
at
1715
canal
street
and
I'm
the
president
of
vista
neighborhood
association
at
first.
I
was
really
in
big
opposition
to
this
project,
but
realizing
that
it
met
zoning
real.
There
wasn't
a
lot
to
be
said.
I
believe
he
was
applying
for
a
variance
for
lot
size
and
the
biggest
complaint
was
losing
the
old
building.
O
The
vista
neighborhood
area
doesn't
have
much
protections
for
these
buildings
and
being
on
an
arterial
like
overland
as
we
grow
and
have
new
projects,
we
want
to
keep
keep
them
looking
good,
there's
tens
of
thousands
of
cars
to
drive
by
him
every
day.
So
the
fact
that
he
worked
with
obviously
input
and
saved
the
old
building
is
a
big
plus.
I
mean
it's
huge.
O
I
think
the
sidewalks
are
also
an
issue.
Achd
will
probably
be
fighting
for
detached
sidewalks.
I
didn't
quite
hear
all
of
that,
because
I
know
that
they've
fought
for
detached
sidewalks
and
some
developments
in
our
neighborhood,
isolated
islands
of
detached
sidewalks
don't
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
they
don't
help
a
lot
here.
I
think
they
would
hurt
because
it
seems
that
this
type
of
project
is
being
prevalent.
O
You
know,
I
know
what
four
at
least
four
in
the
area
that
have
been
built
or
proposed
of
three-story
town
homes,
mitigating
that
side.
Exposure
of
these
buildings
needs
a
lot
of
work.
Looking
at
a
shoe
box
from
the
side
isn't
very
pleasing
to
the
eye.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
do
to
the
front
of
it.
O
If
you
can't
see
the
front
from
the
street
when
you're
driving
tens
of
thousands
of
people
driving
down
overland-
and
you
see
a
square
window
in
a
big
square
box-
that's
just
ugly
and
if
you're
trying
to
improve
the
look
of
vista
and
overland
to
draw
better
more
commercial
developments,
each
development
has
to
look
good.
You've
got
to
set
a
standard
that
hey,
you
know
we're
working
with
them.
O
I
appreciate
what
the
developers
done
in
working
with
that,
but
it
needs
a
lot
of
work
on
design
review
and
I
also
appreciate
hear
hearing
what
he
said
about
working
with
the
neighbor.
Because,
again,
as
we
see
more
of
these
three-story
projects
come
about
they're
impacting
neighbors.
Shoshone
is
a
glorious
street
of
old
homes
that
people
take
pride
in.
O
I
can
just
imagine
what
that
neighbor
feels
like
buying
a
nice
classic
home
next
to
a
cool
classic
home
and
then
have
this
pop
up.
How
are
you
you
know
how's?
He
gonna
enjoy
his
backyard.
Looking
at
those
things,
that's
a
huge
impact
and
it
needs
to
be
mitigated
somehow
through
design
review,
because
obviously
there's
not
a
lot
of
way
of
stopping
them
completely.
O
But
if
you
don't
mitigate
them,
you
will
be
getting
a
lot
of
kickback
from
neighbors
and
residents
over
time.
So
overall,
I
have
to
say
thank
you
for
saving
the
old
building.
It
needs
a
lot
of
work
on
design
review
for
visibility
from
overland,
and
I
think
that
keeping
the
sidewalk
not
having
detached
sidewalks
would
help
preserve
the
privacy
and
be
able
to
mask
some
of
that
massive
white
box
that
you
see
from
overland.
P
B
Chair,
oh
great,
let's
start
with
commissioner
finfrock
and
then
commissioner
blanchard.
F
Thanks
this
question
is
for
the
city:
can
we
go
over
the
tree
mitigation
plan?
I'm
a
little
confused
and
I
know
maybe
it
will
change
based
on
the
sidewalk
design,
but
right
now
are
we
losing
14
trees
and
we're
gaining
71
trees.
Generally
speaking,
is
I'm
just
a
little
bit
confused
about
that.
M
Yeah,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
finn
proc
the
we
are.
Hopefully
you
can
see
this.
This
is
the
tree
mitigation
plan
that
was
submitted
with
the
original
application,
but
we
can
kind
of
extrapolate
this
into
what
the
current
proposal
is
doing.
So
we
are
losing
a
fair
amount
of
trees
along
the
north
and
the
the
east
there
and
then
the
the
two
trees
kind
of
near
shoshone
as
well.
So
the
the
ultimate
number,
if
you're
just
looking
at
you,
know
ultimate
numbers.
M
Yes,
we
are
losing,
you
know
a
little
over
a
dozen
trees
and
then
I
think
the
the
total
number
is
kind
of
mid
70s
coming
into
the
property.
But
obviously
these
these
mature
trees
have
a
significant
amount
of
you
know
size
to
them.
So.
R
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
a
question
for
ben
ben.
Did
you
did
you
ever
not
consider
a
site
plan
that
was
clearly
outdated
if
ever
accepted
in
planning
practice
these
kind
of
slot
developments
like
this
are
banned
almost
everywhere?
Unfortunately,
not
in
our
code?
I
I
could
not
support
a
side
plan
like
this
I'll
just
come
out
and
say
it
real
early
on
there's
plenty
of
reasons
in
the
code
and
plenty
of
reasons
in
the
comprehensive
plan
to
not
support
a
site
plan
that
looks
like
this.
N
Madam
chair
commissioner
blanchard
based
on
our
ability
or
inability
to
locate
a
access
into
the
site
off
of
overland,
we
were
pretty
restricted
in
how
we
could
access
the
units
we're
providing.
You
know
more
than
the
width
that
code
requires
for
those
drives
to
come
in
there.
You
know
the
the
design.
N
Unfortunately,
the
design
on
the
the
side
of
the
facades
facing
overland
has
not
been
able
to
be
developed
as
fully
as
we
would
have
liked
it
to
at
this
point,
knowing
that
we're
going
through
design
review-
and
we
will
be
getting
some
additional
comments,
we
we
intend
for
those
ends
to
look
like
the
front
of
a
building,
including
that
those
doors
would
face,
and
the
walkways
to
the
units
that
are
on
overland
would
actually
come
out
onto
that
sidewalk
on
overland.
R
R
Frankly,
just
to
be
honest,
if
we're
gonna
have
just
sides
of
buildings
fronting
overland,
I
I
would
rather
see
a
site
that
was
designed
well
rather
than
this
right.
Here
is
just
such
a
crazy
compromise.
I
don't
see
how
this
meets
principal
idp,
n2
in
blueprint,
how
it
reinforces
the
established
street
state
characteristics
when
their
every
other
building
on
overland
fronts.
R
The
street
I
mean
that's
just
normal
design
principle,
and
I
know
you
know
that,
and
I'm
sure
your
client
just
put
you
up
to
this,
but
I
would
further
say
that
cbccn14,
which
you
already
stated
overland
road
corridor,
is
supposed
to
be
pedestrian
oriented,
which
means
buildings
fronting
street.
That's
specifically
what
that
means.
N
N
We
are
incorporating
multiple
doors
on
shoshone,
as
well
as
street
trees,
front
porches,
and
we
are
going
to
reorient
with
the
feedback
from
the
city
planning
staff,
as
well
as
some
initial
design
review
comments
orient
those
units
so
that
the
front
the
side
that's
facing
overland
will
appear
to
be
more
like
the
front
of
a
building
incorporating
some
other
awnings
and
stuff
like
that.
On
that
facade,
that
probably
doesn't
answer
your
question,
but
that's
clarification
at
least.
S
Madam
chair,
commissioner
squires
this
question
is
for
staff
and
kind
of
paybacking
on
commissioner
blanchard's
comments.
I
have
the
exact
same
concerns
as
a
planner
professionally,
prior
to
the
home
being
included
on
the
site
plan.
Was
there
any
consideration
of
asking
for
a
redesign
due
to
the
lack
of
frontage
on
to
overland.
M
Going
back
to
the
you
know
the
early
early
preliminary
feedback,
there
may
have
been
some
discussion
with
that,
but
with
this
plan
that
you
do
see
before
us
today,
as
commissioner
blanchard
stated,
our
code
does
not
prohibit
this
type
of
design
and
with
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval,
it
does
appear
to
meet
all
of
the
city-wide
design
standards
and
guidelines.
So
there's
not
much
in
code
to
fall
back
upon
to
force
a
redesign.
L
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chairman,
I'm
sympathetic
to
commissioner
blanchard's
argument,
although
I
am
cognizant
that
we
have,
you
know,
received
multiple
training
sessions
about
not
relying
exclusively
on
the
comprehensive
plan
for
rendering
this
sort
of
decision,
but
I
did
want
to
add
so
so
I
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
grapple
with
that.
If
we
keep
going
down
this
road,
but
I
did
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
kevin
and
for
ben,
so,
first
of
all
kevin,
could
you
review
what
the
amenities
are
for
this
site?
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
glsb
I'd
be
happy
to
go
over
that
and
apologies
if
they
they
weren't
readily
apparent
there.
So,
since
this
site
is
less
than
one
acre
in
size,
our
code,
just
just
just,
does
require
a
minimum
of
a
hundred
square
feet
of
open
space
which
is
being
provided
by
those
front
porches.
M
L
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gloucester.
Yes,
that
is
a
good
point.
The
there
is
an
existing
driveway
as
it
stands
right
now
out
to
overland,
but
both
achd
policy
and
our
own
kind
of
subdivision
policy.
M
L
So
ben
pursuant
to
the
chris's
concern,
it
seems
to
me
like
just
looking
at
this
site
plan.
The
only
way
you
could
address
his
concern
and
commissioner
squire's
concern
is
to
look
at
those
10
units
on
the
east
side,
the
two
rows
of
five
and
if
we
shift
those
sort
of
90
degrees
so
that
at
least
the
bottom
row
of
them
faces
on
to
overland.
L
Columns
could
be
shifted
into
rows,
but
I
think
they'd
each
only
be
able
to
be
four
long,
so
ben
you
could
do
it,
but
you
would
lose
two
units,
presumably
you'd,
be
able
to
make
those
four
units,
maybe
a
bit
bigger
and
you
might
have
to
slide
up
into
the
and
because
the
parking
lot
wouldn't
go
out
or
the
drive
aisle
wouldn't
go
all
the
way
across
you'd
get
some
space
on
top.
What's
your
thoughts
on
that
ben.
N
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
gillespie
yeah
it
basically
with
keeping
the
existing
structure
on
the
site
if
we
turn
these
units
to
in
the
way
that
you're
speaking,
we
could
not
gain
access
to
the
garages
with
another
unless
we
completely
eliminated
any
more
units
north
of
them.
So
we
would
end
up
losing
six
units,
and
so
then
we'd
end
up
with
a
what
for
10
unit
development
on
a
site
that
could
hold
33
just
by
write
in
the
code
at
lod.
N
I
do
appreciate
what
you're
looking
at,
how
you're
looking
at
that.
I
just
don't
see
how
we
get
traffic
to
the
garages
on
the
units
that
would
face
overland.
These
are
about
40,
40,
feet
or
so
deep,
and
that
is
essentially
two
of
those
units
wide
as
you're
looking
at
it
now.
So
the
garage
entry
would
be
almost
in
line
with
the
south
wall
of
the
existing
structure
on
the
site.
So
the
only
way
to
get
to
those
garages
would
be
from
the
north
side,
thereby
eliminate.
N
I
guess
you
could
put
two
more
up
there.
If
you
had
a
central
drive
that
came
down
to
those
it,
it
compromises.
The
number
of
units
on
here
that,
were
you
know,
part
of
the
the
thought
with
this
design
and
specifically
for
townhomes
versus
a
multi-family
project,
was
that
this
creates
a
transitional
zone
from
overland
into
what
is
primarily
single-family
detached
residential
lots.
So
it
rather
than
having
a
large
dominating
structure
immediately
to
some
single
story,
or
you
know,
story
and
a
half
structures
to
the
north.
L
So
kevin,
is
it
fair
to
say
that
when
the
city
advocated
for
retaining
the
existing
single
family
home,
we
basically
in
a
sense
forced
this
particular
design.
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
it
certainly
plays
into
this
design.
Just
with
the
the
access
point,
and
I
think
ben
spoke
to
some
of
the
grading
that
got
brought
into
play
enforcing
where
that
access
point
is.
But
there
certainly
is
the
other
side
of
the
coin
yeah,
where
there's
there's
a
bit
of
a
trade-off
in
terms
of
the
the
constraint
that
it
places
on
the
site
itself,.
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gusby:
yes,
there's
multiple
policies
and
goals
which
point
to
kind
of
adaptive
reuse.
If
you
will
of
of
homes
like
these
and
and
even
you
know,
the
the
recently
passed
housing
bonus.
Ordinance
has
a
whole
section
speaking
to
situations
like
this.
L
M
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
I
I
think
that's
yeah,
probably
an
accurate
kind
of
summary
of
of
what's
led
us
here.
Yeah
thank.
G
Okay,
I
want
to
understand
a
couple
of
points
so,
first
and
foremost
condition:
number
five
in
the
staff
report
states
and
I'm
reading
it
detached
five
five-foot
sidewalks
shall
be
installed
along
overland,
road
and
shoshone
street.
With
eight
foot
landscape
planter
strips
with
appropriate
street
trees
installed.
G
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
what
exactly
we're
getting
at.
This
is
one
of
our
conditions
flat
out,
saying,
thou
shalt
built
you
know,
detached
sidewalks,
so
to
speak.
Applicant
is,
is
certainly
hoping.
That's
not
the
case,
though
right
because
you
would
prefer
there
to
be
five
foot
attached
sidewalks
if
my
understanding
is
correct,
because
their
purpose
of
that
is
so
that
the
planter
strip
provides
more
of
a
buffer
from
the
side
facade,
despite
what
changes
might
come
through
design
review
to
oberlin.
Is
that
accurate.
N
Madam
chair
commissioner
dan
lee,
so
it
would
be
seven
foot
attached
that
were
that
we're
good
with
the
attached
seven
foot
achd
has
indicated
they're
actually
doing
that
work
they're
in
preliminary
design
right
now
they
haven't
finalized
it.
But
we
are
part
of
the
achd
staff
report,
has
the
app
or
the
owner
and
developer
contributing
almost
ten
thousand
dollars
to
a
road
trust
for
the
rebuild
of
that
intersection
and
that
attached
sidewalk
on
overland.
N
N
We
think
that
it
can
maybe
possibly
go
away,
but
yes,
ultimately,
what
our
feeling
is
is
that
if
we
detach
the
sidewalk
and
have
street
trees,
that's
lawn
and
street
trees,
and
then
we
have
about
seven
feet
from
sidewalk
to
building
then
which
really
doesn't
support
any
tree
of
any
size
it,
and
we
can't
put
shrubs
and
stuff
out
in
the
overland
planter
strip.
So
we
we
would
rather
have
a
larger
area
to
provide
more
landscaping
along
the
facades
of
the
building
so
that
it
appears
to
be
kind
of
a
front
of
a
home.
N
M
To
that,
madam
chair
commissioner
danley,
no,
I
think
I
think
ben
summarized
it
obviously
is.
The
city's
default
position
is
to
detach
sidewalks
along
arturo
roadways,
just
to
increase
the
the
pedestrian
safety
and
comfort
and-
and
I
think
the
the
street
trees
and
vegetation
would
be
probably
relatively
comparable
either
way
you
go
with
that.
However,.
G
But,
however,
achd
has
since
stated
that
their
and
their
purpose
in
coordination
with
the
existing
developer,
is
to
do
a
seven
foot
attached,
sidewalk
from
shoshone
east,
to
presumably
the
intersection
with
overland
or
with
yeah,
no,
the
north
south,
which
is
going
to
be
vista
right.
That's
correct
right!
So
that's
the
ach's
position
is
they
want
to
move
through
and
do
a
seven
foot
attached,
sidewalk
to
which
the
developers
already
you
know,
provided
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
road
trust.
M
Madam
church,
mr
danley,
to
some
degree,
yes,
like
I
said
we
just
received
the
the
draft
achd
report
a
couple
hours
before
this
presentation
in
which
that
information
was
given
to
us.
I
also
think
it's
worth
noting
that
the
the
design
of
that
intersection
that
is
being
redesigned
right
now
is
still
ongoing.
M
So
it's
kind
of
planning
teams,
understanding
that
there
could
be
still
an
opening
to
push
for
detached
sidewalks
through
that
process
with
achd,
obviously
kind
of,
as
this
condition
is
written,
it
does
provide
latitude.
So
if
another
entity
such
as
achd
were
to
you
know,
strongly
go
one
way
or
versus
the
other
that
that
latitude
could
be
given
and
could
be
worked
through
with
either
the
final
plot
or
the
design
review
application.
Depending
on
the
timing.
J
G
Mr
holmes
question
for
you:
if
we
were
to
approve
this
this
as
you've
mentioned
a
few
times,
and
so
is
the
applicant,
this
would
have
to
go
through
design
review.
The
applicant
has
stated
that
their
intention
is
to
essentially
change
the
the
so
I'm
going
to
call
the
side
facade
if
that's
such
a
right
term.
That
does
front
overland
for
the
purposes
of
some
of
the
things
that
were
that
have
been
discussed
this
evening.
G
M
I'm
poorly
worded
sorry,
madam
sure,
commissioner
dan,
you
know
I
I
follow
with
you
and
and
maybe
it
would
help
to
look
at
that
condition
as
as
it's
written.
Currently,
it's
number
two.
There
apologies
if
it's
a
little
small
but
there's
a
couple
kind
of
broad
ideas
in
there
to
provide
some
direction
at
what
the
planning
team
kind
of
envisions
happening.
M
So
the
first
one
is
the
the
kind
of
continuation
of
brick
which
you
find
on
the
existing
building
as
well,
so
maximizing
that
kind
of
cohesive.
Look,
whereas
right
now
I
think
the
elevations
just
show
kind
of
you
know
blank
siding
the
the
next
one
would
be
additional.
M
You
know,
windows
and
additional
modulation
along
that
facade.
I
know
with
design
review.
Sometimes
they
do
do
kind
of.
You
know
faux
windows
along
garages,
things
like
that,
but
that
would
go
a
long
way
in
our
mind
to
creating
at
least
more
of
an
appearance
of
a
front
rather
than
a
side,
and
then
the
last
one
obviously
is
just
facing
making
sure
that
the
face
the
door
is
clearly
facing
the
street
as
well
as
connecting
out
to
overland
as
a
front
of
a
house
would
be.
R
R
M
I
can
madam
chair
commissioner
blanchard
I
mean
it
does
it
does
not
change
the
site
plan?
That
condition
does
not
change
the
site
plan.
B
Okay,
thank
you
great.
So
next
we're
going
to
move
to
public
testimony.
If
you
are
online
and
would
like
to
testify
on
this
item,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand.
Similarly,
if
you're
in
person
please
come
on
up
to
the
front,
so
we
can
get
an
idea
of
who
to
move
on
to
next.
Okay,
we'll
start,
then
at
the
top
of
my
list
I
see
jeff
van
lift.
B
Let's
start
there
and
we'll
kind
of
just
work
our
way
down.
Jeff,
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
once
you
unmute
and
you'll
have
three.
B
B
K
So
my
name,
it
yeah,
I'm
sorry.
My
name
is
jeff
van
with
I
am
at
2911
west
teton
street.
That's
about
two
blocks
to
the
north
of
shoshone
and
overland
with
me.
I
don't
my
audio
is
not
working,
but
with
these
my
daughter
anna,
who
goes
to
monroe
elementary
season
fifth
grade
when
anna
is
11
years
old.
K
Can
I
talk
about
the
traffic
along
shoshone
with
this
proposal
and
I'm
not
a
builder,
I'm
not
a
development
guy,
I'm
just
a
dad,
and
I
see
a
lot
of
traffic
along
shoshone
and
where
this
outlet
to
this
development
is
on
shoshone
street.
Those
cars
are
not
going
to
turn
left.
K
My
concern
is
that
the
outlet
going
into
shoshone
that's
gonna,
cause
a
lot
of
traffic.
A
lot
of
kids
going
to
school,
including
my
daughter,
we
have
three
other
kids
as
well,
and
I'm
worried
about
the
safety
of
of
our
children
going
to
school,
along
with
all
their
friends,
is
a
big
concern.
K
K
Fortunately,
maximo
survived,
there's
four
passerbys
that
lifted
the
van
off
of
him,
and
he,
through
lots
of
therapy,
was
able
to
kind
of
make
it
not
quite
100
percent,
but
he's
still
with
us
with
the
current
traffic
right
now
the
traffic
situation
in
this
neighborhood.
I
do
not
want
another
maximo.
K
I
don't
want
my
daughter
to
to
have
the
same
thing
happen
to
her
as
what
happened
to
maximo,
and
I
I
want
some
sort
of
a
change
to
this
development.
I
like
the
way
you
know
we
need
some
housing
in
in
the
neighborhood,
but
we
need
to
need
some
safety
as
well.
So
please
take
that
into
consideration
when
you're
deciding
this
situation
and
if
I
sent
a
letter
in
earlier
today,
there's
a
link
to
to
what
happened
to
maximo
wyatt.
K
So
please
take
that
into
consideration
and
thanks
for
your
time
appreciate
it.
B
B
B
B
Okay,
not
hearing
from
anybody
just
yet
we'll
keep
that
number
on
the
line?
But
let's
move
down
to
shelly
harris,
which
is
the
next
hand
I
see
raised
shelly,
please
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
you'll.
Have
three
minutes?
Can
you.
J
Hear
me:
yes,
oh
hello,
my
name
is
shelly
harris.
I
live
at
1504,
south
shoshone
street
boise,
idaho
83705,
thanks
commissioners
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
my
concerns.
My
husband
and
I
have
lived
at
this
address
for
20
years.
Our
property
is
directly
north
of
the
townhouses,
so
we
will
share
the
north
fence.
J
J
J
We
all
know
that
this
is
not
enough
parking.
The
complex
still
needs
more
parking
only
having
one
entrance
to
the
complex
at
safety
concerns,
especially
during
early
mornings
when
children
are
on
their
way
to
school,
and
the
residents
are
on
their
way
to
work
similar
to
what
jeff
says.
The
entrance
only
having
one
entrance
is
a
major
concern.
This
will
also
add
congestion
to
the
corner
of
shoshone
and
oberlin,
along
with
additional
trapping
issues
on
surrounding
streets.
J
Another
concern
is
keeping
the
original
structure
on
site
is
going
to
look
strange
blending
the
old
with
the
new,
does
not
preserve
or
enhance
the
character
of
the
existing
neighborhood.
I
keep
imagining
what
this
is
going
to
look
like.
In
my
opinion,
it
would
be
better
to
remove
the
clinker
brick
home,
build
two
townhouses
in
this
space,
which
also
would
allow
for
more
parking
and
possibly
keep
one
of
the
large
trees
on
the
front
yard.
J
Finally,
I
do
understand
the
need
for
housing
because
of
the
growth
of
boise,
but
this
needs
to
be
done
right
after
it
is
built
and
all
the
units
are
sold.
This
complex
will
affect
the
daily
lives
of
myself
and
my
neighbors.
It
needs
to
be
done
right.
Additional
parking
is
needed.
Safety
concerns
need
to
be
addressed
as
well
as
the
design
of
the
complex.
I'm
hoping
all
these
concerns
will
be
reviewed.
This
complex
needs
to
be
self-contained
and
preserve
the
character
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
T
T
T
We
have
parking
issues
already
with
this
intersection
with
people
coming
in
on
shoshone
and
continuing
on
south
thinking
they
can
come
through
and
then
deciding
you
know
to
park
there
and
go
and
walk
around
and
go
to
different
businesses,
and
so
we
have
parking
issues
and
we
have
concerns.
I
also
own
2909,
which
is
a
vacant
lot
and
I'm
definitely
worried
that
people
are
going
to
try
to
park
there.
T
If
someone
was
to
move
in
with
a
trailer
into
one
of
these
complexes
or
a
large
vehicle
truck,
even
a
moving
van,
that
they
will
just
decide
to
park
there,
and
then
I
will
have
to
you
know,
call
the
police
and
have
them
towed,
and
it's
just
not
something
that
I
feel
is
being
thought
through
parking
is
a
concern.
The
intersection
is
not
safe.
We
know
this.
T
We
have
seen
you
know
some
incidents
with
that
design,
and
I
know
that
acht
has
that
on
their
radar
they
have
reached
out
probably
be
working
with
me.
They
said
starting
in
june,
potentially
so
I'd
like
to
see
how
that
might
come
together
to
further
strengthen
this
and
then
lastly,
the
water
pressure
in
the
area.
I
would
like
to
see
if
suez
could
address
that,
because
we
already
have
water
pressure
issues.
T
I
can
only
run
one
sprinkler
at
a
time
at
this
property,
and
so
you
know
suez
has
stated
they
can't
support
the
growth
in
the
valley
and
the
infrastructure,
and
so
I'd
like
to
know
that
we're
going
to
have
water
pressure,
you
know,
potentially,
after
all,
these
homes
come
in.
So
that's
all
I
had
thank
you.
B
U
Hi,
my
name
is
jamie
schambarger,
I'm
heather's
husband.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
I'd
like
to
first
say
that.
U
Okay,
I'd
like
to
first
say
that
the
guys
that
are
presenting
the
plan
seem
very
amenable
and
honestly
are
trying
to
come
to
a
conclusion.
We
do
with
all
of
the
people
coming
to
boise
growth,
it's
it's
a
problem
and
I
think
everybody's
trying
to
work
to
help
that
our
concern
is
basically
been
voiced
by
everybody
else.
Why
keeping
the
original
structure?
I
do
understand
that,
but
if,
in
a
development
like
this,
I
agree,
it's
going
to
look
very
strange.
U
The
old,
with
the
new,
the
exit
and
entrance
off
of
shoshone
were
right
at
the
corner
of
shoshone
and
clark
and
we're
the
first
turn
that
would
be
made
out
of
the
complex
to
then
go
through
a
very
quiet
neighborhood
with
all
kids,
all
little
kids,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
bought
here
in
18
and
rebuilt
our
home.
That's
a
big
concern
to
us,
shoshone's
already
extremely
busy,
and
this
would
be
in
the
morning.
U
It
would
be
a
problem
with
all
the
kids
walking
and
going
to
school
down
the
street
and
our
kids
as
well
the
guest
parking
because
of
the
bike
lane
anybody
that's
coming
and
going
that's
going.
There's
there's
not
that
much
parking
now,
even
for
the
residents,
so
I
can
just
see
this
being
a
complete
nightmare
and
the
water
pressure
was
already
brought
up
by
jake
armstrong.
So
I
think
that's
it.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us.
B
V
Hi,
thank
you.
My
name
is
nina
shafer
and
I
live
on
117
south
dot
street,
and
I'm
here
today
to
voice
my
support
for
this
project.
As
a
current
renter
on
the
bench,
I
recognize
that
in
today's
housing
market,
a
project
like
these
and
future
townhomes
are
our
best
option
as
a
first
time
home
buyer,
not
only
for
the
potential
price
points,
but
the
proximity
town
homes
have
to
amenities.
V
My
household,
like
many
within
my
age,
seek
a
home
where
we
could
become
a
one
to
no
car
household,
and
this
location
would
allow
us
to
do
that,
while
still
having
adequate
access
to
transportation
in
the
area.
I'm
also
in
support
for
this
project,
as
it
aligns
with
the
goals
of
blueprint
boise,
the
location
is
identified
as
a
mixed-use
zone
and
isn't
properly
utilized
under
its
current
use.
V
It
is
a
small
scale,
development
along
the
corridor,
oberlin
corridor
that
again
has
low
impact
to
the
road
infrastructure
and
is
along
the
shoshone
bikeway
that
connects
bikers
to
other
parts
of
the
town.
These
are
my
main
reasons
for
supporting
this
project
and
I
hope
to
see
this
project
approved
this
evening.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
miss
shaper
next,
we'll
hear
from
max
rake
frank.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
W
Thank
you,
so
much
max
reich
is
my
name
and
1409.
South
shoshone
street
is
my
address.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
letting
us
have
a
conversation
here
and
chat
about
this.
I
recognize
that
we
probably
are
unable
to
halt
a
project
like
this
in
our
neighborhood.
The
growth
like
we've
all
talked
about
some
concerns
that
that
I
brought
up
other
folks
have
brought
up.
W
W
You
know
the
the
the
amount
of
traffic
coming
in
and
off
of
shoshone
is
going
to
be
a
lot
and
adding
to
our
already
busy
road
with
you
know,
like
everybody
else
said
the
bike
lane
constricting
that
traffic
there's
bound
to
be
something
something
happen,
so
parking
is
definitely
a
concern
if
they
removed
a
whole
building
and
and
put
parking
in
there
enough,
as
as
well
as
a
a
grass
area,
I'm
concerned
about
the:
where
are
they
gonna?
Take
their
dogs
to
go
use
the
bathroom?
W
Where
are
their
kids
gonna
play?
I
know
there's
only
two
rooms
per
thing,
and
so
young
professionals,
but
young
professionals,
have
kids
and
and
they're
gonna
walk
right
next
to
all
of
our
houses
here
and
those
dogs
are
gonna,
walk
right
next
to
our
houses
here
and
and
so
that
that's
a
that's
a
concern
for
us
as
well.
So
you
know
the
two-car
garage
is
a
12-foot.
W
I
think,
if
I
remember
right
looking
at
that,
I
know
that
we
live
in
idaho
and
I
don't
know
any
car
that
could
fit
two
cars,
two
cars
and
12
feet.
So
that's
pretty
pretty
slim
there.
So
those
are
mostly
my
concerns,
is
the
the
children,
the
parking
and
then
no
grassy
area
for
for
those
folks
to
be
in,
and
so
they're
gonna
be
in
our
yards
with
their
grassy
area.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
consideration
in
declining
this
current
situation
and
and
having
them
redo.
It.
B
Thank
you,
mr
reich.
Next,
we'll
move
to
katie
stone,
katie!
Please
go
ahead
and
start
your
video.
If
you'd
like
to
and
start
with
your
name
and
address,
and
then
you'll
have
three
minutes.
B
X
We
are
right
around
the
corner
from
the
proposed
project,
so
my
my
two
big
concerns
today
are
the
look
of
the
the
proposed
homes.
X
You
know
this
is
a
really
special
neighborhood
with
a
lot
of
really
amazing
architecture
and
to
have
these
really
modern,
modern
kind
of
boxy
town
homes
would
really,
I
think,
detract
from
the
the
architecture
around
that's
already
in
the
current
neighborhood,
and
you
know
I
do
appreciate
the
the
efforts
to
kind
of
make
it
blend
into
the
existing
house,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
to
make
the
project
just
more
attractive
in
general.
X
My
biggest
concern,
however,
is
one
that
has
been
repeatedly
brought
up
today
and
that's
the
traffic.
So
when
people
turn
on
to
shoshone
the
first
street
that
they
meet
is
clark,
so
what
they
will
do
is
they
will
turn
up.
Clark
turn
up
wilcom
to
then
get
onto
overland
and
that
directly
impacts
myself.
With
with
a
very
small
toddler,
I
did
a
quick
count
in
my
head
and
just
on
clark
and
wilcom.
There
are
20
children
that
are
elementary
school
aged
or
younger.
X
My
son
is
two
years
old
and
he
is
by
far
not
the
only
two-year-old
in
the
neighborhood
there's
quite
a
few,
so
people
are
going
to
be
driving
up
and
down
rushing
to
get
to
work,
not
looking
for
small
children,
then,
when
he's
older
and
goes
to
walk
to
monroe
elementary
school
when
he
goes
to
walk
to
south
junior
high
he's
going
to
have
this
impact
with
all
this
additional
traffic
in
an
area,
that's
already
a
huge
problem.
X
Every
day
when
I
walk
by
shoshone,
I
see
people
barely
barely
pause
at
the
corner
of
shoshone
and
kootenay.
To
get
you
know,
to
beat
people
through
these
four-way
stops
to
beat
people
through
the
corner
of
shoshone
and
kasha.
So
with
a
large
development
and
again,
I
appreciate
the
efforts
to
make
it
smaller,
but
with
any
development
like
this
there's
going
to
be
a
huge
impact
on
traffic,
especially
on
on
welcome
and
the
surrounding
streets.
X
B
You
miss
stone
so
again,
if
you
would
like
to
testify
in
this
item
tonight,
please
go
ahead
and
virtually
raise
your
hand.
I
still
see
a
couple
of
hands
left,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
everybody
in
the
queue
there
and
we'll
next
hear
from
patrick
spouts
patrick.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
when
you're
ready.
Y
Thank
you,
my
name
is
patrick
spout.
I
live
at
912,
west
brumback,
boise
a3702,
and
I'm
calling
in
this
evening
to
speak
in
support
of
this
project.
I
think
this
kind
of
moderately,
dense,
infill
news
sort
of
starter
home
option
is
exactly
what
boise
needs.
I
want
to
echo
some
of
nina's
comments
from
earlier
about
how
it
opens
up
new
potential
options
for
people
in
that
market
and
is
compatible
with
a
diverse
set
of
housing
options
on
the
bench
with
regard
to
some
of
the
traffic
things
that
I
heard
in
some
other
comments.
Y
If
projects
like
this
may
increase
some
traffic
in
the
hyper
local
sense-
and
that
is
certainly
something
that's
felt
by
those
very
nearby,
but
as
a
city
projects
like
this
lower
traffic
globally,
putting
more
housing
options
in
boise,
proper
places
like
on
the
bench
or
I
would
welcome
it
where
I
live
as
well.
Reduce
traffic
reduce
vehicle
miles
traveled
and
that's
a
good
thing
for
our
city
and
needs
to
be
considered
as
part
of
this.
So
I
strongly
support
projects
like
this
and
hope
it
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
spouts.
Next
we'll
hear
from
jared
austin
jared.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute
when
you're,
ready
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
you'll
have
three
minutes.
E
Awesome,
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
jared
austin.
I
live
at
4211
west
fairmont
street.
I
just
would
like
to
say
that
I
am
in
support
of
this
development
here
today.
Some
of
patrick's
comments
really
do
echo
my
own
here
around
the
moderate
density,
just
being
a
really
good
thing
for
our
area.
It's
a
really
good
use
of
investments
that
we've
already
made
as
a
city
and
as
a
community
in
the
area.
E
There
are
bike
lanes
in
the
area.
There
are
two
bus
lines
that
intersect
in
this
area,
making
it
a
really
good
hub
for
people
who
want
to
have
the
option
to
live,
maybe
without
a
car
or
with
fewer
cars,
and
to
also
speak
to
what
patrick
said
about
about
traffic.
His
point
is:
is
really
good
there
having
these
types
of
housing
developments
centrally
located
near
amenities
really
does
reduce
overall
vehicle
trips,
especially
if
I
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
what
folks
were
saying
about
about
kids.
E
If
anyone
has
kids
and
does
move
into
this
development,
there
are
plenty
of
schools
within
walking
distance
of
that
development.
If
those,
if,
if
those
families
were
forced
to
move
farther
out,
those
trips
that
they
would
take
to
and
from
school
would
certainly
be
a
vehicle
trips.
This
way,
though,
they
have
the
opportunity
to
to
just
live
a
little
a
little
wider
in
their
young
lives
and
kind
of
take
control
and
move
themselves
to
school
and
from
school,
and
that's
something
that's
really
freeing.
E
E
B
Thank
you,
mr
austin.
Next
we'll
hear
from
alexandra
manhart
go
ahead,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address
when
you're
ready.
I
I
I
do
understand
that
is
a
huge
concern
for
safety
of
children
on
the
bench,
but
the
only
way
that
we
can
truly
address
that
issue
is
through
better
street
design,
increasingly
compact
land
use
and
encouraging
alternative
modes
of
transportation,
and
I
encourage
those
who
are
still
on
the
call
who
are
concerned
about
safety
of
children
to
participate
in
the
two
achc
intersection
studies
that
are
occurring
in
the
depot
bench,
neighborhood
association,
one
of
which
is
the
vista
and
overland
intersection
and
will
impact
the
sidewalk
design
of
this
project.
I
B
You
thank
you
alexandra,
so
seeing
no
other
hands
up,
I'm
going
to
loop
back
down
to
that
phone
number
again.
If
we
have
a
caller
on
the
line
whose
phone
number
ends
in
1944,
please
go
ahead
and
unmute
yourself.
This
is
the
last
call
and
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you.
If
you
are
there.
B
B
Great,
the
phone
number
is,
the
phone
number
has
spoken.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
C
Okay,
hello,
my
name
is
anna
van
lift
and
I
live
on
4911
west
teton
street
and
I'm
11
years
old
and
I
walk
to
monroe
elementary
school
every
day
and
I'll
soon
be
going
to
south
junior
high
and
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
walk
home
safely.
So.
B
C
B
Thank
you
so
much
great.
We
do
have
one
person
in
the
house
here,
so
please
go
ahead
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
H
Hi,
my
name
is
cameron
coachams.
I
live
at
1913,
south
shoreshown
street,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
in
favor
of
this
proposal
as
a
millennial
renter
who
lives
on
the
bench.
I
believe
more
housing
like
this
is
beneficial
for
me
and
all
of
my
friends
and
neighbors
who
also
live
on
the
bench,
because
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
concerns
people
have
about
traffic
things
like
that.
I
ride
my
bicycle
onto
shown
street
all
the
time
to
my
work.
H
Downtown
and
I've
never
felt
unsafe
on
that
road,
and
I
don't
think
having
15
extra
units
would
make
it
worse.
Example,
if
I
lived
on
those
places,
I'd
be
closer,
so
I
would
even
be
riding
my
bike
and
I
I
believe
some
of
the
people
who
could
live
there
would
also
be
riding
their
bikes
too.
H
Other
benefits
to
the
neighborhood.
Probably
one
of
the
best
taco
trucks
in
town
is
right
across
the
street,
and
so
I
believe
that
that
would
be
helpful
for
them
and
I
think
more
minority-owned
businesses
should
have
money
get
sent
to
them
by
having
biting
their
tacos
arguments
against
like
ugly
box
boxes
and
stuff.
H
Like
that,
I
don't
think
anyone
describes
overland
as
the
prettiest
street
in
boise,
and
I
mean
these
boxes
are
people's
homes,
and
I
think
that
that's
what
we
really
need
to
look
at
that,
even
though
they're
they
might
be
ugly
to
some
people's
opinions.
People
will
be
living
there,
people
paying
taxes
and
stuff
stuff
like
that,
and
I
think
that's
beneficial
for
the
city
and
speaking
about
that
single-family
home.
B
Thank
you.
It
is
a
great
taco
truck
okay.
Next,
seeing
oh
wait,
we
have
one
more
hand
that
just
went
up
misty
go
ahead
and
please
oh
and
will
his
hand
is
up
again
too:
okay,
misty!
Please
go
ahead
and
start
with
your
name
and
address
and
you're
welcome
to
turn
on
your
video.
If
you'd
like.
B
Z
And
we
are
in
opposition
of
the
current
standard
that
you
guys
have
on
on
this
project
or
is
being
presented.
I
think
everybody's
kind
of
hit
on
on
the
same
things
that
have
been
in
opposition.
Z
The
the
safety
is
number
one,
the
parking
common
areas,
the
bike
lane
has,
you
know,
reduced
parking
substantially,
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
reconsider
the
look
of
boise.
This
is
a
gateway,
you
know,
vista
and
overland.
Z
You
know
I
I
kind
of
disagree
with
overland,
not
being
the
prettiest
street
in
boise.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
the
north
end
was
once
the
prettiest
street
in
boise
either.
I
don't
think
that's
what
this
is
about.
I
think
what
this
is
about
is
yes,
we're
trying
to
to
create
more
homes
for
more
individuals,
but
we
need
to
do
it
appropriately
and
we
need
to
consider
the
people
that
have
invested
and
purchased
family
style
living
in
the
bench.
Z
The
bench
kootenai
shoshone
has
been
a
very
for
lack
of
a
better
word
historic
area
of
boise,
just
as
the
north
end,
and
if
we
start
to
change
the
look
of
it
now,
it
really
just
kind
of
opens
up
the
floodgate
to
what
could
potentially
happen.
Z
A
single
entrance
on
shoshone
is
is,
is,
is
a
very
dangerous
proposition
and
then,
even
even
if
we
made
a
second
entrance
on
overland
that
close
to
a
stoplight
we're,
we
we've
gotta
we're
creating
a
significant
challenge
in
the
area
common
areas-
I
I
don't
know,
I
agree
with
some
of
the
other
speakers
presenters
that
there
really
isn't
a
common
area.
Our
yards
become
common
areas,
and
that's
that's
about
all
I
have.
I
do
realize
that
this
project
may
go
through.
B
AA
My
name
is
willow
pidgeon
and
I
live
at
2820
west
clark
street,
with
my
husband
and
three
kids
and
I'm
gonna
sound
like
a
broken
record.
I
know,
but
the
safety
of
my
kids
and
the
neighborhood
children
is
huge
to
me
and
my
family
and
neighbors.
AA
So
I'm
hoping
that
that
will
be
taken
into
consideration
and
hopefully
in
the
design
and
looking
at
things,
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
keep
these
kids
safe,
because
this
neighborhood
is
their
safe
haven.
They
all
play
they
go
to
school,
they
can
do
anything
and
it
that
it
just
makes
me
sad
that
this
could
possibly
bring
in
so
many
cars
our
street,
from
abs
to
wilk
or
yeah
abs
to
clark,
like
that's,
used
as
a
shortcut
to
get
from
vista
to
overland.
AA
So
I
just
hope
that
all
these
kids
have
an
impact
on,
hopefully
a
new
design
and
that's
yeah.
That's
it
sorry.
B
Great,
thank
you.
Willa,
okay,
see
no
further
hands.
We
will
next
move
to
rebuttal
from
the
applicant.
Mr
simple
will
you'll
have
five
minutes.
N
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
ben
semple,
1014
south
la
point,
street
suite
3,
boise,
idaho,
83706
yeah,
so
a
couple
of
the
quick
ones
style,
the
town,
homes
and
design
architecture.
Again
we're
going
to
go
through
design
review
have
a
lot
of
conversations
about
how
we're
going
to
incorporate
materials
and
colors
to
tie
in
these
new
town
homes,
with
the
existing
structure
on
the
site
and
then
water
pressure,
we
did
get
some
feedback
from
suez.
They
indicated
that
there
was
plenty
of
water
pressure
for
fire
protection
on
this
project.
N
So
I
would
imagine,
if
that's
the
case,
then
water
pressure
in
general
is
is,
should
be
fine
regardless
of
this
project.
Next
I
want
to
touch
on
the
current
building
just
to
reinforce
this
is
a
business
right
now.
It's
a,
I
think.
It's
a
staffing
or
a
nursing
scheduling
business
that
generates
more
traffic
than
a
residential
project.
Does
this
could
be
another
autozone
or
an
o'reilly's,
or
something
similar
that
two
of
which
occur
about
half
a
block
down
overland?
N
Maybe
a
couple
blocks
not
entirely
sure
this
is
an
attempt
to
in
a
limited
office,
with
design
review
zone,
incorporate
some
residential
housing,
modest
housing
two-bedroom.
N
These
are
yes,
these
are
not
giant
three-car
garages
as
exists
at
some
of
the
other
residences
nearby
or
in
general,
but
adding
parking
does
not
encourage
alternative
transportation
use
and
it
turns
into
what
you
see
on
the
site
today,
which
is
a
big
parking
lot
with
a
couple
rvs
that
may
or
may
not
move,
and
then
other
cars
left
there
becomes
kind
of
unsightly
people
start
using
that
surface
parking
when
there's
excess
to
store
things
like
vehicles
that
don't
run
not
everyone
that
moves
into
a
house
has
multiple
cars,
especially
when
they're
looking
at
a
townhome
or
a
smaller
unit.
N
Single
family
does
not
require
guest
parking,
there's
two
car
garages
for
each
unit
and
there's
no
requirement
for
on-site
guest
parking.
We
are
incorporating
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
would
we
like
to
have
more
sure,
but
ultimately
that
then
over
parks
a
project.
N
If
this
was
a
33
unit
apartment
complex,
I
think
that
there
would
be
more
of
an
issue
with
traffic.
This.
The
the
entry
and
exit
of
this
project
is
not
a
right
out
only
project
achd
has
not
restricted
the
movement
of
the
in
entry
and
exit
of
this.
You
can
make
a
turn
left
out
of
this.
To
the
light,
can
you
do
it
every
time
because
of
traffic?
Maybe
not,
but
not.
Everyone
is
turning
right
and
driving
through
the
smaller
surface
streets
through
people's
neighborhoods.
N
I
have
two
kids
that
I've
raised
in
boise
my
youngest
graduating
high
school
this
year,
I'm
sensitive.
I
live
on
a
small
street
and
people
drive
by
too
it's
where
we
live
in
an
urban
environment
with
traffic.
If
we
can
get
people
that
are
using
alternative
modes
of
transportation
like
the
shoshone
bikeway
and
the
multiple
bus
routes
in
the
area,
it
reduces
traffic.
N
It's
counterintuitive,
but
density
does
help
alleviate
traffic
problems,
and
that
is
we
and
I
would
encourage-
and
I
did
discuss
this
with
one
of
the
neighbors
if
people
on
the
call
that
are
in
the
neighborhood
reach
out
to
achd
and
ask
them
about
traffic
studies
in
the
area
to
encourage
them
to
look
at
traffic
calming
measures,
whether
that's
speed,
bumps
or
additional.
N
You
know
routing
or
some
sort
of
traffic
calming
that
is
achd's
job,
and
they
will
look
at
that.
If
there's
enough
concerns
raised-
and
I
would
stand
for
any
additional
questions.
Thank.
B
AB
G
For
the
purposes
of
discussion,
at
the
very
least
I'll
make
a
motion,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
item
pud
21-10
and
s
and
sub
21-18-
be
approved
with
accordance
to
the
terms
and
condition
of
the
staff
report.
B
Great
so
I
think,
to
clarify
that
would
be
a
recommended
approval
for
pd
21-10
and
I'm
sorry
approve
pd,
21-10
and
recommend
approval
for
suv,
21-18.
B
B
Yes,
that
was
included
in
the
late
correspondence,
so
I
would
imagine
that
when
we
say
terms
and
conditions,
including
terms
and
conditions
in
the
staff
report,
that's
inclusive
in
the
late
correspondence
as
well.
Is
that
correct.
B
Excellent,
and
is
that
supported
by
commissioner
gillespie
as
the
seconder?
Yes,
we
are
getting
a
big
thumbs
up
perfect
any
discussion.
Madam.
G
G
What
I
see
in
this
instance
is
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
sort
of
hemming
and
hawing.
Here
we
have
a
zoning
ordinance
that
does
not
prohibit
what
is
being
proposed.
That's
an
us
problem.
G
If
it's
something
that
is
not
to
be
in
the
city
of
boise
and
has
been
outlawed
banned,
what
have
you
in
other
cities?
Then?
It
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
get
our
own
house
in
order
and
not
necessarily
deny
the
application,
because
they're
doing
what
is
being
asked
as
according
to
the
zoning
ordinance.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
can
prohibit
the
application
based
on
our
own
zoning
ordinance
when
it
comes
to
our
comprehensive
plan,
which
kind
of
gets
to
the
next
step.
G
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
request,
at
least
in
part,
and
and
so
because
of
that
we
have
the
ability
to
not
only
look
at
our
zoning
ordinance,
but
also
our
comp
plan,
and
our
comp
plan
does
have
a
lot
of
language.
That
suggests
that
the
types
of
things
that
are
in
this
application
and
may
not
be
perfect,
certainly
are
encouraged.
And
so
I
I
do.
I
do
believe
that
our
comp
plan
does
support
this
with
regard
to
the
the
traffic
generation.
G
But
in
addition,
one
of
the
one
of
the
key
things
with
this
application,
I
believe,
is
that
every
one
of
them
is
going
to
have
office
spaces,
because
it's
tailored
for
a
professional
class
generally
speaking
that
we
hope
you
know
we'll
take
advantage
of
that
and
do
some
of
the
work
at
home.
Stuff
that's
been
and
happening.
G
The
applicant
was
asked
to
save
the
home.
It
was
a
request
made
of
the
neighborhood
association
and
and
other
folks
that
he
met
with,
and
he
did
it
and
they've
done
that
as
much
as
they
can
does.
It
looks
different
silly.
What
have
you
whatever
there
are?
You
know
subjective
terms,
that's
a
different
issue,
but
I
do
believe
that
they
did
their
best
to
make
that
happen,
as
well
as
some
of
the
trees
that.
C
G
AC
AC
AC
AC
Looking
at
the
site
plan
as
it
stands,
it
does
minimize
some
of
that
overlook
onto
the
existing
residences
on
the
north
and
helps
with
some
of
those
conflicts
as
well,
and
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
amended
or
with
the
condition
number
two
requiring
those
that
kind
of
design
review
overlay
for
the
overland
street
frontage.
I
think
that'll
help
with
that
frontage
and
help
improve
and
and
really
think
about,
overland
as
well
and
with
those
in
everything.
That's
been
stated.
One
of
the
reasons
that
I'll
be
supporting
it.
B
F
I,
madam
chair,
I
just
want
to
add
that
you
know
this
applicant
is
also
they've
adhered
to,
the
density,
height
and
parking
requirements,
and
so
for
the
most
part
it
seems
like
we've
asked
a
lot
of
them
and
they've
complied
with
the
neighborhood
association
with
the
city,
and
I
just
think
at
this
point.
We
should
push
it
forward
and
let
design
review
hopefully
come
up
with
a
plan
to
mitigate
that
the
side
of
the
housing
issue
that
seems
to
be
going
on
right
now.
F
S
S
S
AA
R
Sorry,
thank
you.
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
motion.
I
believe
it
is
indefensible
with
our
current
zoning
and
with
our
comprehensive
plan.
I
would
just
point
to
page
174
of
the
boise
development
code
chapters
1106.
R
and
everything
I
see
here
are
living
uses.
Is
that
nothing
that
ben
has
presented
tonight
looks
anything
like
any
of
these,
and
should
we
just
tear
this
page
out
of
our
code?
If
we're
not,
if
we're
not
going
to
use
it,
so
that
would
be
the
first
one
that
I
just.
I
personally
just
feel
affronted
with
this
site
plan
and
the
only
thing
that
can
remedy
this
project
is
a
site
plan
that
is
appropriate
that
meets
standards
of
basic
urban
design.
R
I
just
think
it's
it's
really
a
slap
in
the
face
that
this
has
even
brought
to
us.
I
could
point
to
numerous
places
in
the
boise
blueprint
that,
like
similar
building
masking
and
form
to
ensure
that
infill
development
appears
compatible
with
existing
adjacent
homes.
Well,
it
doesn't
with
the
home.
That's
there.
Obviously
it
does
not
reinforce
the
established
streetscape
characteristics
under
principle,
idp
and
ii.
How
can
you
have
every
single
building
on
overland
street
fronts
overland
street,
and
this
is
why
communities
all
over
are
banning
this
kind
of
thing.
R
I
know
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet
if
I
look
at
the
central
bench,
policies
we're
to
encourage
under
cbcc
on
1.4
the
overland
road
corridor,
pedestrian
oriented
development,
that's
development
that
fronts
the
street.
This
is
just.
This
is
such
a
not
serious
proposal
that
just
doesn't
meet
with
anybody.
I
really
cannot
believe
that
it
came.
It
really
went
from
bad
to
worse
with
the
original
slot
development
proposal,
and
now
this
one
with
the
home,
but
there's
there's
absolutely
nothing.
B
It
all
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
before
us
to
approve
pud
21-10
and
recommend
approval
for
suv,
20
1-18,
including
the
late
correspondence
condition,
modifications.
B
Okay,
thanks:
we
are
going
to
take
a
five
minute
break
before
we
come
back
to
here.
Item
seven,
so
we
will
see
you
back
here
at
about
7,
46
or
7
47..
Thank
you.
B
Welcome
back
and
we're
going
to
start
next
with
item
number
seven:
this
is
car
21-12
from
penelope,
constantis
at
2801,
west
police
street,
a
rezone
of
roughly
2.23
acres
and
we
will
start
with
staff,
and
I
think
this
is
mr
mainfield's
last
presentation
to
us
with
the
city
is
that
right.
B
AD
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
commissioners.
If
I
could
please
have
my
screen
shared,
I'm
not
sure
who
awesome.
Thank
you.
Let's
hit
it
good
evening,
madam
chair
commissioners.
AD
The
development
agreement
to
which
the
proposal
is
tied
would
limit
the
site
to
40
units,
a
density
of
19.2
units
per
acre
35
feet
in
height
and
a
minimum
of
15
foot
setback
to
surrounding
properties
as
the
height
and
setbacks
mimic
those
found
in
the
r1c
zone.
The
decision
before
you
tonight
is
whether
or
not
to
support
the
increased
density
afforded
by
the
lod
zone
and
associated
development
agreement.
AD
The
site
is
designated
as
compact
on
the
land
use
map.
This
designation
supports
diverse
residential
development
from
detached
small
lot,
single
family
homes
to
townhomes
apartments
and
condos.
The
comprehensive
plan
envisions
average
residential
densities
of
8
to
15
units
per
acre,
appropriate
and
practical
residential
zones
in
this
land
use
designation
are
r1c,
r2
and
r1m.
AD
The
comprehensive
plan
also
supports
the
lo
zone
in
the
compact
land
use
designation.
Well,
the
planning
team
is
generally
not
supportive
of
rezoning
to
office
zones
to
achieve
higher
residential
densities.
The
applicant's
proposal,
limited
by
the
development
agreement
creatively
addresses
the
need
for
additional
housing
within
walking
distance
of
myriad
commercial
services
and
a
robust
transportation
network.
AD
As
you
can
see
on
the
map
before
you,
the
site
is
located
about
600
feet,
east
of
the
sashone
bikeway
shown
in
purple
and
about
700
feet
south
of
the
nez
pierce
bikeway
shown
in
red.
These
routes
allow
users
to
easily
traverse
the
bench
and
beyond
by
bicycle,
the
site
is
less
than
a
fifth
of
a
mile
southwest
of
a
bus.
Stop
along
the
vista
avenue
route,
one
of
the
most
well-served
routes
in
the
valley,
regional
transit
network.
AD
AD
AD
The
average
residential
density
of
the
target
in
vista
neighborhood
activity
center
is
slightly
higher
at
6.6
units
per
acre
still.
This
density
is
well
below
the
8
to
16
units
per
acre
envisioned
by
the
plan
at
a
density
of
19.2
units
per
acre.
This
project
increases
the
average
density
within
these
activity,
centers,
which
is
exactly
what
the
comprehensive
plan
supports.
AD
If
the
comprehensive
plan
desires
dense
pedestrian
oriented
commercial
development
at
these
activity
centers,
then
there
needs
to
be
a
sufficient
number
of
nearby
pedestrians
to
support
that
commercial
development.
That
is
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
here
to
allow
an
opportunity
for
more
people
to
live
within
walking
and
biking
distance
of
everyday
services.
AD
AD
The
planning
team
also
finds
that
the
reason
maintains
the
compatibility
of
the
surrounding
development
pattern.
Much
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood
is
comprised
of
detached
single
family
homes,
with
lots
ranging
in
size
from
three
thousand
square
feet
to
twenty
thousand
square
feet.
While
most
of
the
zoning
surrounding
the
subject,
property
is
r1c,
which
allows
for
eight
units
per
acre.
Many
of
the
subdivisions
surrounding
the
site
contain
substandard
original
lots
of
record.
These
are
25
foot
wide
lots
that
are
developable
by
wright
with
a
design
review
application.
AD
The
project
was
approved
by
all
commenting
agencies.
The
planning
team
did
receive
27
public
comments
regarding
this
project.
Most
of
the
comments
opposed
the
project
and
the
most
common
concerns
was
that
the
project
was
too
dense,
that
additional
traffic
would
negatively
impact
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
that
the
buildings
were
too
tall.
AD
Overall,
while
the
rezone
to
the
lodda
zone
is
unorthodox,
the
project
that
the
rezone
is
tied
to
is
not.
It
is
something
that
a
visitor
might
expect
to
see
when
they
visit
the
neighborhood.
It
is
predictable
when
people
look
at
the
development
of
the
area,
most
don't
see
a
splash
of
purple
in
a
sea
of
yellow.
They
see
a
town
home
development
500
feet
from
a
major
arterial
gateway
into
the
city
near
restaurants
and
retail
services.
AD
AB
As
you
know,
the
specific
application
before
you
this
evening
is
a
rezone
application
with
a
development
agreement
for
the
four
parcels
located
at
2801,
2765
and
2793
west
palouse
street.
We
have
reviewed
the
staff
report
and
concur
with
the
findings
and
conditions
of
approval,
including
the
development
agreement
elements
listed
in
the
staff
report.
AB
AB
The
underlying
philosophy
of
the
site
design
is
to
create
a
generous
separation
between
the
townhomes
and
the
surrounding
residences
by
wrapping
most
of
the
site
with
the
shared
driveway.
The
separation
to
shared
property
lines
is
at
least
36
feet
on
the
east
by
orienting
the
town
homes
on
the
west
and
south,
with
the
fronts
of
the
homes
facing
the
adjacent
parcels.
AB
Given
the
current
demand
for
home
ownership
opportunities
in
boise,
it
is
anticipated
that
there
will
be
a
substantial
owner
presence,
some
interesting
facts
that
I
found
in
the
central
bench
chapter
of
blueprint.
Boise
last
night,
at
the
time
that
blueprint
boise
was
written
and
codified,
only
seven
percent
of
the
area
in
the
central
bench
planning
area
was
vacant
land.
AB
We
assumed
that
that
number
has
gone
down.
Multifamily
only
represented
four
percent
of
the
available
housing
in
the
central
bench
planning
area.
The
intended
development
will
be
town
homes
on
planted
lots,
but
it
is
similar
to
a
multi-family
in
that
it
includes
parking
considerations,
open
space
and
amenities
to
enhance
the
quality
of
life.
AB
I've
got
ethan's
got
red
blocks
around
them,
there's
even
more
than
what's
shown
on
that
map
with
boise's.
Recently
enhanced
standards,
substandard
lots
of
record
these
homes
are
now
very
nice
and
are
required
to
meet
appropriate
standards.
AB
AB
The
architecturally
designed
townhomes
will
have
two
full-size
garage,
bays
and
guest
parking
is
substantially
greater
than
the
boise
city
standards.
These
townhomes
will
be
constructed
by
the
second
generation
of
one
of
boise's,
most
premier
builders,
further
discussion
about
site
design
and
elevations
should
be
occur
should
occur
with
the
design
review
phase
of
the
project.
If
we
get
our
rezone,
the
staff
report
is
very
comprehensive
in
its
evaluation
of
the
proposal
zone
and
the
context
both
immediate
and
within
the
greater
neighborhood,
rather
than
taking
additional
time
to
repeat
the
staff
report.
AB
AB
The
point
is
the
development
agreement,
which
provides
clear
standards
for
development
of
the
site
and
stipulates
density,
and
I
might
add
that
the
gross
density
of
the
site
is
17.93,
which
we
would
round
up
to
18.
Of
course,
the
height
is
going
to
be
identical
to
r1c
and
r2
at
35
feet
setbacks.
There
is
one
area
where
we
have
a
minimum,
15
foot
wide
setback
everywhere
else.
The
structures
are
at
least
25
feet
away
from
any
shared
property
line,
and
this
the
development
agreement
also
references
privacy
of
adjacent
neighbors.
AB
In
conclusion,
we
believe
the
requested
rezone
with
the
development
agreement
will
facilitate
a
high
quality
redevelopment
of
the
site
that
meets
the
spirit,
intent
of
boise
city
code,
blueprint,
boise
and
the
central
bench
policies
and
goals.
With
this.
We
respectfully
request
a
recommendation
of
approval
and
I
would
be
happy
to
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Before
questions
we'll
get
to
the
neighborhood
association,
this
is
the
vista
neighborhood
association
dave.
Were
you
representing
again
come
on
up?
Please
start
again
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
up
to
10
minutes.
O
Just
for
reference,
we
have
been
receiving
a
ton
of
applications
lately
and
first
thing
we
look
at
is:
does
it
need
a
rezone?
Does
it
need
variances
that
meets
the
zoning?
No
variances,
there's
not
really
a
lot
to
compliment
talk
about
you
might
tweak
design
or
location,
but
there's
not
a
lot
to
complain
about.
So
I'm
not
down
here
very
often
design
review
and
the
current
guidelines
have
made
a
lot
of
great
developments
in
our
neighborhood.
A
couple
have
been
built
and
more
under
construction,
including
high
density.
O
The
planner
here
has
one
on
vista
of
combination
of
apartments
and
townhomes
that
work.
It's
zoned
right,
it's
right
on
vista,
it's
correct!
This
project
is
in
the
middle
of
r1c
single-family
homes,
they're
two-story,
single-family
homes.
People
have
bought
in
that
neighborhood
realizing
the
whole
thing
is
r1c.
O
It
does
not
butt
up
to
vista
or
any
other
arterial.
There
are
no
other
high-density
properties
around
it.
Zoning
this
for
high
density
is
inappropriate.
Do
we
recognize
that
there's
going
to
be
redevelopment
in
the
area
of
course,
and
all
the
neighbors
around
it
recognize
it,
but
again
it's
surrounded
by
single-family,
single-level
and
two-story
homes.
O
O
I
was
taken
aback
also.
You
know,
after
20
years
of
being
involved
in
neighborhood
associations.
This
is
the
first
time
I
realized
that
an
activity
center
would
be
used
to
up
zone
an
area.
I'd
never
heard
that
an
activity
center
has
to
meet
prescribed
zoning
that
really
angers
me.
An
activity
zone
is
a
commercial
area
designed
to
draw
people
there
to
record
to
eat
drink
exercise.
O
I
had
no
idea
it's
supposed
to
be
used
as
an
upsell,
that's
wrong,
and
it's
alarming,
especially
when
you
look
at
the
radius
of
the
vista
overland
and
how
large
the
commercial
properties
are
around
there,
including
railroad
property,
accrualing
school
grounds.
Well,
yeah.
The
density
is
going
to
be
low.
I
think
that's
just
wrong.
O
O
O
O
I
want
smaller
lots.
I
want
higher
density.
I
want
more
height,
so
pick
a
zone
for
it
and
make
it
work.
For
me,
these
parts
again
these
particles
and
I'm
going
to
hit
on
it
again.
These
parcels
are
not
contiguous
to
any
other
high
density
properties
and
they
are
not
on
an
arterial,
they're,
surrounded
by
single
family
homes.
O
The
vista
neighborhood
has
a
huge
mix
of
homes
and
res
properties,
from
rundown
trailer
courts
to
well-run
trailer
course
to
subsidize
housing
to
city
housing,
to
nice,
single-family
areas
to
town
homes.
It
has
everything
when
we
have
an
area
like
this
detached
from
any
arterial
that
is
set
for
single
family,
we
need
to
fight
for
single
family.
O
O
When
you
look
at
high
other
high
density
projects
like
oak
park,
which
has
three-story
apartments
in
the
center
and
brampton
square
around
it,
the
brampton
square
are
two-story
town
homes
that
buffer
to
the
residential
area,
you
don't
you
don't
have
step
out
your
front
door
and
look
at
a
three-story
building
if
you're
living
across
the
street
on
palouse
or
taggart
or
lamb
high,
and
you
go
into
your
backyard
and
you
look
out
you're
looking
at
apartments.
O
O
O
Again,
when
I
looked
at
the
other
high
density
projects
that
were
highlighted
in
the
report,
every
single
one
of
them
is
on
an
arterial
in
my
letter
that
I'm
going
to
response,
I'm
going
to
read.
Zoning
is
supposed
to
matter
the
city
of
boise
and
many
others
have
made
significant
investments
to
create
planning
and
zoning
departments,
zoning
districts
and
code,
even
planning
documents
like
blueprint,
boise
neighborhood
plans
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
Currently,
the
city
of
boise
is
engaged
in
the
extensive
rewrite
effort
to
supposedly
solve
all
these
issues,
so
we
don't
have
to
be
here.
O
If
zoning
matters
more
preference
needs
to
be
given
to
the
surrounding
residents,
because
if
rezone
are
going
to
take
precedent,
why
are
we
going
through
a
rewrite
to
scrap
it
and
go
stay
with
the
reason
it
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
it's
not
right
in
the
process
of
looking
through
the
responses.
I
believe
all
the
emails
that
they
received
were
against
it.
O
O
When
I
looked
through
his
items
for
criteria
for
approval,
it
is
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
it's
r1c
and
we're
rezoning
it
to
lo.
It's
not
attached
to
anything,
it's
not
next
to
anything
that
makes
zero
sense.
It's
in
the
best
interest
of
public
convenience
in
general,
wherever
for
who
certainly
not
the
property
owners
and
being
part
of
the
neighborhood
association,
I
don't
want
to
realize
that
the
whole
most
of
the
neighborhood
is
compact.
So
now
every
parcel
there
is
subject
to
a
rezone.
This
is
a
precedent
establishing
decision
on
our
neighborhood.
B
Thank
you,
dave.
Okay,
great,
we'll
now
move
to
questions
from
the
commission
for
staff,
the
applicant
or
the
neighborhood
association.
G
G
Also
in
the
presentation,
I
see
two
neighborhood
activities,
centers,
the
one
that
is
closest
to
the
parcel-
shows
a
maximum
of
16
units
per
acre,
the
target
activity
center.
That's
the
quarter
mile
distance,
correct.
AD
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
dan
lee,
that
is
correct,
that
is,
the
envisioned
average
density
for
the
neighborhood
activity
center.
Okay
and
the.
G
Overland,
which,
when
overland
and
vista
activity
center,
which
we
are
also
citing
as
reason
to
potentially
grant
this
free
zone,
does
go
up
to
20
units
per
acre,
just
making
sure
that
that's
correct
okay.
So
the
question
I
have
is
which
one
carries
the
water,
because
we
have
two
neighborhood
activity:
centers,
they're
overlapping,
but
this
property
happens
to
be
half
again
closer
to
one
than
the
other.
So
you
know
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
the
overland
activity
center
plays
into
this
this
particular
property
when
it's
actually
closer
to
the
targetee
and
vista
activity
center.
AD
Madam
chair
commissioner,
dan
lee,
that
is
certainly
a
little
vague
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
how
our
activity
centers
should
be
interpreted.
I
like
to
picture
it
as
some
sort
of
like
gravitational
pull,
I'm
sure
there's
a
model
out
there
that
you
could.
You
could
use,
but
you
know
the
community
activity
center
is
larger
and
yet
the
site's
slightly
farther
away,
whereas
the
neighborhood
activity
center
is
smaller,
yet
the
site
is
slightly
closer.
So
I
think
it's
the
commission's
discretion.
How
they'd
like
to
interpret
that
okay.
G
Daily
ethan
on
page
well,
it's
260
of
our
overall
report,
but
we
have
this
discussion
and
I
don't
know
that
I
saw
it
resolved
about.
Potentially,
I
think
it's
fuel
tanks
underneath
the
property
that
may
or
may
not
exist,
can
you
clarify?
Did
we
ever
find
out
definitively
on
whether
or
not
that
is
the
case.
AD
Yeah,
madam
chair,
commissioner
danley,
the
idaho
department
of
environmental
quality,
does
have
record
that
those
were
removed
safely.
AD
However,
as
you
note
in
the
comments,
the
analyst
who
commented
you
know
does
ask
that
you
know
if
there
is
more
concern
regarding
that
that
it
could
be
dug
into
more
deeply.
However,
she
has
no
reason
to
believe
they
were
not
removed
safely.
AC
AC
Okay,
question:
sorry
manager.
Please
comment
share
more,
so
I
could
see
this
going
in
two
different
ways.
One
would
be,
as
we
are
proposing
here,
with
a
rezone
to
achieve
the
pro
the
density
desired
and
a
development
agreement
to
achieve
dimensional
standards.
That
would
be
fitting
for
the
neighborhood.
AC
AD
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
moore
that
is
actually
essentially
what
we're
doing
here.
The
density
is
kind
of
the
overriding
feature
of
each
independent
zone,
so
without
a
absent,
a
development
agreement
from
that
lo
zone
that
has
a
35
43.5
units
per
acre
maximum,
whereas
even
if
we
had
a
development
agreement
with
the
r1
season
or
the
r1m
or
the
r2,
we
could
not
exceed
the
maximum
units
per
acre
associated
with
that
zone.
D
AC
So
for
the
elevations
I
know,
one
of
the
comments
was
about
the
boxy.
Elevations
are
elevations
required
for
a
rezone
such
as
this
one.
AD
AC
AC
Sure
can
you
sure,
no
it's
okay,
but
these
elevations
would
kind
of
come
along
again,
maybe
in
a
more
developed
form
in
the
associated
pud
and
design
review
application.
AC
Sure
so
I
know
one
of
the
other
items
was
high
density,
and
this,
I
think
I've
seen
in
the
staff
report.
This
was
kind
of
a
medium
density
is
high
density
versus
medium
density.
Is
that
defined
in
code
anywhere.
AD
Madam
chair,
commissioner
moore
so
we
do
have
different
land
use,
designations
and
different
zoning
districts,
and
they
all
you
know,
kind
of
have
a
different
definition
of
high
density
and
medium
density.
AD
The
our
three
zone
is
43
and
a
half
units
per
acre.
That's
the
high
density
residential
zone,
and
then
we
have
our
land
use.
Designations
compact
is
our
medium
density,
land
use.
You
know,
residential
land
use
designation
and
obviously
we
have
a
high
density
residential.
L
L
You
know,
there's
the
I
could
see
that
the
second
or
third
approval
criteria
says
that
the
presup
proposed
zone
is
sort
of
you
know
consistent
with
the
surrounding
area,
and
I'm
really
struggling
with
the
city's
explanation
of
why
lo
is
consistent
even
with
the
da
and
in
particular
I'm
looking
at
your
slide.
That's
up
and
I'm
looking
at
r2
and
saying
you
know
just
for
this,
commissioner
r2
seems
like
a
good
fit
a
better
fit.
AD
Madam
chair,
commissioner
gillespie,
certainly
I'd
be
happy
to
take
a
stab
at
that,
so
the
r2
is
certainly
an
appropriate
zone
for
this
area.
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
The
r2
and
the
r1m
are
both
appropriate
here.
The
the
real
difference,
as
as
you
can
see,
is
the
density,
that's
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
here,
and
so
you
know,
our
position
is
that
you
know
you
have
a
site.
That's
that's
you
know,
surrounded
by
by
by
right,
14
units
per
acre
density
in
these
substandard
lots.
AD
We
we
found
that
it
was
not
a
a
large
jump
to
go
from
14
to
19
units
per
acre.
It
was
not
a
jarring
experience
to
make
that
happen.
In
addition,
the
city
is
really
supportive
of
density
near
these
major
transit
corridors,
and
if
you
look
at
you
know
where
the
current
mixed
use-
and
you
know
that
corresponds
with
c2
and
r3
a
lot
of
the
time
along
vista
avenue.
AD
You
know
frequently
it's
just
one
parcel
which
you
know
may
not
achieve
the,
even
if
those
were
developed
fully
that
may
not
achieve
the
desired
community
activity
center.
Vibe
that
these
activity
centers
are
in
our
comprehensive
plan
are
envisioning,
so
so,
given
the
fact
that
the
activity
centers
allow
for
this
kind
of
increased
average
density,
you
know
this.
This
subject
site
allows,
you
know,
increases
the
average
density
of
the
surrounding
area.
AD
G
Ethan,
I
hope
this
doesn't
put
you
on
the
spot.
It
might
apologize
and
fans.
If
I
do
my
question,
I
guess,
though,
is
given
the
area
up
here.
Are
there
any
other
places
on
the?
In
specifically,
you
know
is
in
our
map
area
particular
that
are
zoned
limited
office,
but
built
out
in
residential
style
to
get
to
the
densities
that
we're
talking
about
here,
or
is
this
sort
of
an
island
potentially.
AD
So
we
we
just
did
recently
recommend
or
approved
a
pud
in
the
lo
d
zone,
just
just
north
of
here.
Madam
chair
commission
danley.
I'm
sorry,
you
know
that
was
on
the
overland
road
corridor,
so
it
certainly
was
slightly
different.
As
I
said,
it
is
atypical
for
us
to
rezone
to
an
office
zone
to
allow
residential
development.
AD
AD
B
Okay,
seeing
no
further
questions
from
the
commission
we'll
now
move
to
public
testimony.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
speaking
on
this
item
tonight,
please
come
on
up
to
the
front
and
we'll
sort
of
form
a
queue.
If
anybody
here
is
interested,
and
otherwise,
if
you're
online,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
we'll
start
with
in
person
here
so
come
on
up.
You'll
have
three
minutes.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
AE
Thank
you.
My
name
is
nick
casianis.
I
live
at
2845,
west
palu
street.
I
mean
we
are
the
the
only
property
that
shares
two
borders
with
the
proposed
development
plan.
I
mean
I'll,
keep
it
kind
of
quick
and
simple
here.
I
know
there
are
many
items
that
will
be
discussed
during
the
the
pud
meeting,
but
I
mean
honestly
in
general,
we
are
in
favor
of
the
concept
we
would
like
to
see
the
the
current
lot
improved
to
really
improve
the
look
and
feel
of
the
neighborhood.
AE
AE
You
know
certain
areas
that
I'd
like
to
put
on
the
record
now
that
do
concern
us
being
property
owners
right
next
to
this
place,
and
one
is
the
what
is
now,
I
believe,
the
15
foot
separation
between
our
property
and
the
proposed
property
line
coming
in
that
that
feels
very
like
invasive
of
of
our
privacy.
In
our
backyard,
especially
with
the
elevation
of
the
proposed
homes,
that
would
be
an
area
or
an
item
that
would
be
very
opposed
to,
but
certainly
have
ideas
to
propose.
You
know
constructive
solutions.
AE
All
right,
this
would
essentially
make
our
our
property
a
corner
lot
and
with
the
traffic
the
flow
the
traffic
coming
in
and
out,
we
we
would
like
to
see
some
type
of
obstruction,
some
type
of
fencing,
something
to
at
least
you
know,
ease
the
noise
and
the
traffic
that
comes
through
that,
along
with
you
know,
other
ideas
of
planting
trees
or
something
to
obstruct
the
view
that
the
thing
that
is
going
to
be
so
close
from
one
of
the
entryway
streets
to
our
property
line.
AE
Right
now,
we
have
that
a
lot
of
neighbors
have
is
a
lot
of
space
up
there.
You
know,
I
think
that
is
one
thing,
that
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
want
to
maintain
and
with
30-foot
town
homes.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
hard
to
achieve
which
again
we
are.
We
are
in
favor
of
of
the
development
of
something
going
in
to
be
approved
and
improve
our
neighborhood,
but
those
would
probably
be
the
main
issues
that
I
I
think
myself
would
have,
or
I
would
have,
along
with
a
lot
of
neighbors,
including
traffic.
AE
That's
not
something!
That's
going
to
be
really
directly
impacted
towards
our
property,
but
yeah.
That's
that's
all
I
have
for
today.
Thank.
AF
Brian
higgy
2873
west
palus-
I
am
the
neighbor
of
the
nice
man
back
there.
I
haven't
met
him
yet,
but
maybe
I
will
after
this
meeting
I
would
like
to
to
say
the
same
thing
that
he
said,
and
that
is
it
is
a
junkyard
they're
actually
storing
rvs
there,
and
so
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
new
neighborhood
within
our
neighborhood.
However,
I
am
strongly
opposed
to
the
increase
in
density.
AF
Someone
said,
I
believe,
actually
it
was.
The
developer
behind
me
said
that
they
believe
it
would
enhance
the
quality
of
life.
I
say
whose
quality
of
life
is
it
going
to
enhance?
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
enhance
my
quality
of
life
as
a
guy
living
next
to
40
townhouses
in
a
at
a
place,
that's
been
zoned
for
only
eight.
AF
AF
That
seemed
fairly
easy
to
me
to
to
come
to
that
conclusion.
Now
we're
talking
about
eight
going
from
eight
per
acre,
all
the
way
up
to
sounds
like
almost
20
per
acre,
and
that
does
not
sound
to
me,
like
a
good
jump
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
bought
my
house
in
to
be
on
a
nice
single
family
street.
I
look
for
over
a
year
for
my
house.
AF
I
want
it
at
south
facing
I
want
it
close
to
the
airport
close
to
boise
state
in
a
single
family
neighborhood
I
drive
into
my
street.
That's
exactly
what
I
have
right
now
you
put
40
town
houses
in
there.
It's
going
to
change
the
street
dramatically
going
from
r1
to
lo
question
was
asked
by
one
of
the
commissioners.
AF
AF
It
is
very
different
than
the
overland
corridor
and
I
think
it
should
be
treated
as
such.
The
gentleman
behind
me
talked
at
length
about
the
fact
that
this
is
not
touching
vista.
It's
not
touching
a
major
corridor
and
that
kind
of
density
should
not
be
on
a
neighborhood,
that's
full
of
single-family
houses,
and
I
hope
that
you
guys
would
see
it
that
way.
AF
Another
question
I
have,
I
know
it
can't
be
answered
in
this
meeting,
but
in
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
a
house
that
was
there
and
they
didn't
want
to
tear
it
down.
Nobody's
mentioned
that
you're
tearing
down
three
single-family
houses
to
put
this
development
in
my
question
is
why
why
why
was
it
an
issue
before
it's
not
an
issue
in
this
development?
AF
Probably
because
they
want
higher
density?
So
they
don't
talk
about
it
and
then
the
last
thing
is,
I
don't
know
all
the
rules
about
neighborhood
or
community
activity
centers
and
what
drives
what
as
far
as
density,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
taking
a
community
center
and
then
creating
density
because
of
the
community
center,
no
matter
where
it
is.
That
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
at
all
all
right
thanks
for
listening.
Thank
you.
B
H
H
Like
many
on
the
bench
I
rent
and
since
graduating
college
from
the
university
of
idaho
go
vandals
in
2017,
every
thousand
dollars
I've
saved
to
buy
to
be
able
to
buy
a
house.
I
feel
like
housing
prices
gone
up,
10
20.,
don't
call
me,
but
a
lot
of
money
and
you
know
beggars,
can't
be
choosers,
and
so
basically
the
only
option
I'm
going
to
have
is
a
dense
town
home.
H
If
I
want
to
stay
in
my
neighborhood,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
supporting
this,
I
think
it's
very
close
to
vista,
like
I'm
twice
as
far
away,
I'm
just
like
a
neighborhood,
a
block
away,
and
I
walk
to
that
bus.
Stop
all
the
time.
I
walk
my
dog
to
the
vet
across
the
street.
H
My
bike
to
the
albertsons
down
the
street,
like
it's
a
very
walkable
area,
going
off
of
this
of
the
arterial,
I
think,
is
very
beneficial
for
people
and
stuff,
and
I
don't
think
it'll
really
affect
the
neighborhood
that
much
I
do
want
it
to
go
on
record
that
there
are
a
lot
of
wild
bunnies
that
live
in
the
neighborhood
for
some
reason.
H
So
if
there
could
be
like
a
bunny
sign,
bunny
crossing,
I
think
that'll
be
beneficial
to
the
neighborhood
to
keep
the
the
the
bench
feel.
I
was
a
census.
Enumerator
last
fall.
I
met
a
lot
of
neighbors
in
this
area
and
a
lot
of
them
are
rental
homes
with,
like
lots
of
you,
know,
people
renting
each
room
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
think
that
will
be
beneficial
to
have
more
townhomes
in
the
area
and
yeah
protect.
The
bunnies,
I
think,
is
my
main
issue.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
see
nobody
else
in
the
chambers
here
we'll
move
to
our
online
participation.
I
see
a
couple
of
hands
up
if
you
are
interested
in
participating
in
this
item,
please
virtually
raise
your
hand
now
and
we'll
just
start
working
our
way
down
the
list.
B
We
will
start
with
natasha
talley.
Please
go
ahead
and
unmute.
You
can
turn
on
your
video
if
you'd
like
to
and
start
with
your
name
and
address,
natasha
you'll
have
three
minutes.
B
Natasha,
do
we
still
have
you
there
online
okay,
we
will
pause
on
natasha
and
move
to
patrick
patrick.
I.
B
AG
AG
I
do
have
significant
concerns
for
the
rezoning
to
lo
for
this
location,
mainly
because
it
will
double
the
density
on
this
palouse
street.
I'm
talking
directly
between
vista
avenue
and
shoshone
street.
There
are
currently
24
houses
on
this
street
and
with
the
proposal
it
would
on
that
one
site
would
be
40
houses,
that's
an
increase
of
200
percent,
the
city
commissioner
ethan
mansfield
mentioned
that
it
has
walkability
to
the
neighboring
hood
areas.
AG
AG
I
do
believe
that
there
is
a
more
appropriate
zoning
for
it
or
to
remain
the
current
zoning
with
the
development
of
16
homes,
which
would
increase
the
density
in
this
space.
I
do
appreciate
your
guys's
time
and
have
also
submitted
my
comments
to
the
city
of
boise.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
Thank
you,
ms
talley.
So
next
we'll
hear
from
patrick
spouts
patrick
when
you're
ready,
please
name
an
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
Y
Thank
you.
My
name
is
patrick
spouts.
I
live
at
912,
west
brumback,
boise
83702,
and
I'm
calling
this
evening
to
testify
in
support
of
this
development.
Like
the
earlier
development
that
I
testified
on.
I
think
these
kind
of
moderate
density
increases
in
our
neighborhoods
is
a
helpful
and
useful
thing.
That'll
help
people
such
as
the
gentleman
that
testified
earlier,
I
think
his
name
was
cameron,
have
an
opportunity
to
own
a
home
and
be
part
of
those
neighborhoods.
Y
I
also
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
things
that
I've
heard
throughout
the
discussion
and
testimony
on
this
particular
project.
One
is
about
the
multiple
activity
centers
and
I
think
that
being
part
of
two
activity,
centers
is
kind
of
a
stronger
argument
for
using
the
max
than
just
being
part
of
one
it'd,
be
a
little
bit
odd
to
be
part
of
an
activity
center
and
then
be
part
of
another
activity
center
and
have
the
effect
of
being
part
of
multiple
activity,
centers
to
actually
lower
your
ability
to
have
activity.
Y
I
will
note
that
many
of
the
comments
today
were
about
single
family
homes,
which
I
believe
these
are
they'll
be
owned
by
individuals
and
they
meet
that
definition
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
but
anyway,
my
personal
story
with
regard
to
building
infill,
that's
sort
of
inside
neighborhoods,
I
used
to
live
in
kind
of
the
hills
behind
the
north
end
in
one
of
the
apartments,
and
I
think
the
village
apartments
up
on
boise
hill
road,
which
is
where
brumback
goes
up
there
and
a
fair
amount
of
traffic
of
course
goes
through.
Y
The
north
end
then
goes
up
the
hill
to
enter
all
those
apartment
complexes
and
I
benefited
from
living
in
what
is
effectively
kind
of
an
interior
zone
with
relatively
dense
multi-family.
I
now
live
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
on
brumback
and
the
travel.
The
traffic
that
goes
up.
The
hills
is
fine
and
that's
something.
That's
sort
of
part
of
the
neighborhood
I
benefited
from
having
that
opportunity
to
live
in
an
interior
of
neighborhood
in
a
multi-family
development,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
other
people
should
have
the
opportunity
to
live
in
the
interior
neighborhoods.
Y
These
again
are
available
for
purchase,
but
as
a
general
concept,
I
think
that's
great.
I
think
the
idea
that
all
denser
development
needs
to
be
pushed
just
only
to
arterials
is
not
necessarily
the
greatest
thing.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
development
and
I
hope
that
we
move
it
forward.
So
many
families,
possibly
cameron
and
many
others-
have
a
chance
to
live
in
this
great
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
spouts.
Next
we'll
hear
from
alexandra
manhar,
please
start
again
with
your
name
and
address
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
I
Hello,
alexandra
manjar
2222
west
kittley
street.
I
agree
with
what
was
said
earlier
that
this
is
a
precedent
setting
case,
and
I
hope
that
the
commission
sets
the
precedent
as
one
of
approval
for
increased
density
in
this
area.
In
alignment
with
blueprint,
boise
and
neighborhood
visions,
one
of
the
highest
valued
visions
for
the
vista
and
depot
bench
neighborhoods
is
that
residents
are
able
to
live
and
enjoy
the
neighborhood
without
the
requirement
of
a
motor
vehicle.
I
If
we
are
to
be
serious
about
being
a
sustainable
city
resilient
to
climate
change
and
one
that
provides
a
home
for
everyone,
the
character
and
density
of
the
bench
has
been
constantly
evolving.
The
most
constant
feature
of
a
healthy
neighborhood
is
that
change
is
allowed
and
occurs
to
meet
the
needs
of
current
generations.
I
B
Thank
you,
miss
manjar
next,
we'll
hear
from
david
glancey
david,
please
unmute
when
you're
ready.
You
can
start
your
video
if
you'd
like
to
start
with
your
name
and
address
you'll,
have
three
minutes.
Please.
AH
Hi
I'm
david
clancy.
I
live
at
2111
north
philippi,
I'm
testifying
on
behalf
of
my
mother,
who
lives
just
down
the
street
from
here
on
abs,
I'm
against
the
project.
One
of
the
reasons
is
it's
it's
in
an
unimproved
area,
so
there's
no
sidewalks
on
abs,
so
the
density
and
the
extra
traffic
would
be
an
issue.
AH
The
scale
of
the
project
is
just
a
little
bit
too
high
for
this.
I
would
fully
support
anything
that
would
be
16
units
per
acre.
That
seems
immutable.
AH
Let's
see
what
else
ethan
had
mentioned
something
about
development
by
right
and
that
takes
into
account
existing
streets
and
things
like
that.
This
would
add
alleys
and
then
driveways,
two
accesses
on
to
palouse,
which
would
ultimately
drive
everyone
up
abs
or
up
palouse,
and
it's
just
an
extension
of
the
driveway
for
these
40
new
units,
putting
basically
anyone
living
on
abs
or
palouse
in
their
driveway.
AH
If
that
makes
sense,
so
walkability
is
an
issue
because
there's
no
sidewalks
on
abs,
palouse,
just
across
from
the
site,
doesn't
have
sidewalks,
I'm
all
for
development.
This
site
needs
to
be
fixed.
It's
it's.
It
used
to
be
a
trucking
hub,
then
it
turned
into
a
hub
for
a
fencing
company,
but
the
next
step
needs
to
be
develop
it
and
integrate
it
into
the
community.
As
far
as
like
the
this
division
neighborhood
plan,
that
says,
you
know,
build
to
the
same
scale.
AH
B
Thank
you,
mr
glancy.
Next
we'll
hear
from
jason
butts,
please
go
ahead
and
unmute
when
you're
ready.
You
can
turn
your
video
on
if
you'd
like,
and
please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
Z
Z
I
wouldn't
say
wholeheartedly
that
I'm
against
this
project,
just
as
as
before,
but
I
do
think
that
careful
consideration
needs
to
be
made
and
and
and
really
taken
into
true
consideration
on
the
neighborhood.
I
I
agree
with
mr
glancy's
previous
remarks:
putting
a
three-story
home
next
to
a
single-family
reddit
residence
is
a
bit
invasive,
so
I
I
think
the
reality
is.
Z
Z
There's,
there's
lots
of
options
again,
I'm
not
totally
against
development
in
boise.
I
think
it's
a
reality.
I
just
think
that
we
need
we.
We
count
on
on
our
commissioners
to
protect
what
we
that
have
been
here
for
decades
have
purchased
already,
and
that's
all.
I
have.
B
Thank
you,
mr
butts,
so
the
last,
oh
actually,
oh
yeah,
great
the
last
hand
that
I
see
is
jennifer
barnett.
If
there's
anybody
else
that
would
still
like
to
speak
on
this
item
tonight,
particularly
for
any
new
information
to
be
added
to
the
record.
Please
go
ahead
and
virtually
raise
your
hand,
but
we'll
next
hear
from
jennifer
barnett,
so
jennifer
go
ahead
when
you're
ready,
you'll
have
three
minutes.
Please
start
with
your
name
and
address.
P
P
We
are
strongly
opposed
to
this
llo
rezone
for
density
reasons
that
have
been
discussed
for
the
fact
that
most
of
west
palouse
and
all
of
south
alms
along
this
area
do
not
have
sidewalks.
P
We
have
a
child
that
walks
to
school
in
this
area,
along
with
a
lot
of
others,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
safety
of
our
children
walking
to
school,
safe
routes
to
school,
and
one
of
the
issues
here
being
that
when
you
live
as
close
to
whitney
as
we
do,
you
do
have
to
walk.
There
is
no
busing
available
to
the
children
in
this
neighborhood,
and
that
would
include,
of
course,
the
children
that
may
be
in
this
future
development.
Our
child
currently
has
to
kind
of
walk
around.
P
You
know
everything
parked
in
the
street.
Pretty
much
in
the
street
is
the
only
option
on
south
abs
on
your
way
to
school.
We
are
also
concerned
with
the
potential
brown
zone
issue
that
was
sort
of
touched
on
earlier.
We
haven't
really
heard
much
when
it
comes
to
what
the
developer
has
planned.
As
far
as
soil
testing,
there
seems
to
be
a
little
debate
as
to
whether
the
site
does
qualify
for
a
brown
zone
and
that's
of
a
concern.
P
If
there's
a
development
going
in
we're
also,
you
know
concerned
with
the
fact
that
the
development
does
not
appear
or
the
zoning
does
not
appear
to
match
anything
nearby,
as
everyone
has
mentioned,
and
when
the
height
goes
above
all
the
homes
nearby.
We're
really
concerned
about
being
directly
across
the
street
that
we'll
have
no
privacy
in
our
own
backyard.
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
people
in
the
area
feel
that
same
way
we're,
I
think,
they're,
the
zoning
pushes
the
limits
on
traffic,
the
roads,
the
utility
services,
the
neighborhood
character.
P
So
I'd
really
like
to
see
this
zone
rezoned
tonight.
That
is
all.
B
Thank
you,
miss
barnett.
Next,
we'll
hear
from
nina
shaffer
again
nina.
Please
name
an
address
again
in
three
minutes.
V
Yes,
my
name
is
nina
schaefer
and
I
live
on
117
south
dot
street.
I'm
here
today
again
to
voice
my
support
for
this
project
as
well.
V
My
reasoning
for
supporting
this
project
is
similar
to
the
points
that
I
made
on
the
shoshone
overland
project,
the
proximity
to
bus
lines
and
predict
a
projected
and
new
bicycle
ways
that
achd
has
put
in
being
only
three
minutes
away
from
the
vista
quarter,
corridor,
which
addresses
the
blueprint,
boise
goal
of
providing
access
to
nearby
economic
centers,
and
I
also
want
to
bring
up
something
that
happened
last
week
at
the
achd
meeting,
where
commissioner
goldberg
stated
that
there
are
450
miles
of
streets
in
ada
county
that
do
not
have
sidewalks,
and
I
bring
this
up
because
the
status
of
having
no
sidewalks
is
not
unique
to
this
area
and
places
that
are
experiencing
unsustainable
sprawl
face
similar
issues
such
as
amity,
where
a
seven-year-old
boy
was
hit
and
killed
just
a
couple
years
ago.
V
B
Q
Lindsay
newguard
5934
north
alderpoint
place.
I
actually
have
a
powerpoint,
so
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
So,
let's
see
if
this
works,
let's
go
screen
so
sorry
here
we
go.
Q
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
my
powerpoint
here.
Yes,
we
can
see
it
perfect,
okay,
so
pretty
much.
This
is
a
slot
rezone,
that's
not
compatible
to
the
existing
residential
zones
and
it's
for
a
higher
density
development.
Okay,
so
right
now
it's
located
within
an
established
neighborhood
that
is
designated
hang
on
one!
Second,
let
me
go
ahead
and
move
this
up.
The
design
are
designated
for
compact.
Q
A
spot
rezone
to
the
yellow
zone
is
not
appropriate
and
it
would
allow
for
more
density
than
is
compatible
with
existing
uses
and
the
surrounding
zoning.
Okay.
So,
for
example,
all
right
you
have
these
lo
zones
up
here
they
are
along
overland.
Q
Yes,
when
I
believe
it
was,
commissioner
danley
was
talking
about
the
proximity
of
the
the
activity
centers,
it's
closest
to
the
one,
that's
16
units
per
acre.
Okay.
So
honestly,
it's
you
know
it's
out
of
place
here:
the
discrepancy
in
acreage
for
the
rezone
okay,
so
the
site
survey
that
was
submitted
with
the
application
calls
out
slots,
21
and
22
in
the
eagleson
subdivision,
and
that's
located
at
2836
lim
high.
Q
So
them
reversal,
which
is
located
down
below,
is
cut
off
in
the
actual.
The
site
survey
is
not
a
part
of
the
parcel
for
townhomes,
so
you
know
you're
right,
19
units
per
acre,
okay,
so
it's
closest
to
the
you
know,
vista
neighborhood
association
density,
but
it's
at
the
same
time
closest
to
the
target
activity
center
by
by
lay
of
the
land.
The
comprehensive
plan
develops
or
designates.
High
density
is
15
to
45.
Units
per
acre.
Compact
is
16
to
15.
Q
boise
code,
okay,
so
housing
types,
let's
just
not
mince
words
here
anymore.
These
are
not
town
homes,
they
are
apartments,
they
are
five
or
more
units,
they
are.
They
are
eight
plexes.
Q
I
just
want
to
kind
of
revamp
a
little
bit
of
what
you
guys
have
decided
on
a
previous
project,
so
the
application
for
entitling
for
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
is
entitling
a
parcel
of
land
with
a
development
agreement,
because
we
all
know
development
agreements
can
change.
This
doesn't
have
a
a
pud
or
a
cup
attached
to
it.
You
guys
denied
it
for
the
library
and
melt
was
the
one
who
basically
motioned
for
the
denial.
Q
The
recommendation
for
denial-
okay
so-
and
this
was
after
the
city
had
already
hired
saddafi
and
six
months
after
we
already
knew
what
was
coming
on
there.
We
didn't
need
the
pud
attached,
because
the
city
already
like
literally
paid
someone
11
million
dollars
to
develop
a
plan,
and
that
was
december
2018.,
so
that
happened
on
may
of
2019..
B
Thank
you.
Miss
new
guard,
okay,
so
that
next
we'll
see
no
other
hands
for
this
item.
Will
next
move
to
rebuttal
from
the
applicant
miss
constantis,
your
backup
and
you'll
have
five
minutes.
AB
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
the
record,
penelope
constantis,
post
office
box,
405
boise,
idaho
83701,
and
I
appreciate
your
efforts
to
say
my
name
correctly.
Thank
you.
So
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
say.
I
just
think
that
I
need
to
emphasize
that
there's
an
opportunity
cost
here
in
terms
of
the
site,
size
and
its
location,
a
proximity
to
activity
centers
in
transit
and
the
opportunity
cost
is
that
if
nothing
happens
on
the
site,
then
the
cost
of
that
is
the
loss
of
density.
AB
To
deny
this
project
would
be
to
set
a
precedent
or
to
deny
the
rezone
sets
a
precedent
also,
and
that
precedent
is
that
density
close
to
the
city
very
close
to
mass
transit
very
close
to
activity.
Centers
is
not
a
good
idea,
so
there
is
a
precedent
that
will
be
set
either
way.
It's
it's.
As
I
discussed
in
my
project
narrative,
this
is
a
decision
that
the
city
of
boise
needs
to
make
whether
they
want
to
support
transit
if
they
want
to
support
walkability
and
people
using
alternative
methods
of
transportation
to
get
to
services.
AB
The
eqs
eq's
has
given
the
site
green
light.
Yes,
there
were
tanks
on
the
site.
There
were
two
individuals
from
the
boise
fire
department
that
witnessed
the
removal
of
those
tanks.
Before
we
get
to
the
pud
and
preliminary
plaque
phase,
should
we
get
there,
I
will
reach
out
to
romeo
gervais
and
ascertain
whether
or
not
there
are
any
records
and
find
out
if
those
individuals
are
still
present,
but
since
deq
and
idaho
is
the
highest
environmental
agency
and
the
and
the
highest
authority
in
terms
of
environmental
sites.
AB
B
L
Well,
given
the
hour,
I
will
dive
into
the
pool,
I
move
that
we
recommend
denial
of
car
21-12
and
instead
encourage
the
city
council
to
consider
r2.
Second,
madam
chairman,
great.
AA
L
Just
a
short
preamble
so
guys
this
is
a
rezone
and
they're
asking
for
more
density
than
the
allowed
zone
that
they're
that
they
have
now.
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
right
number?
Where
do
we
stop,
and
so
in
that
respect,
it's
like
the
trapper's
crossing
argument
where
the
zone
said
45
feet,
the
developer
wanted
80
and
the
commission
came
to
63.,
and
the
issue
here
is
that
we
have
to
decide
where's
the
density
stop
point.
L
The
developer
wants
40
they're
entitled
with
the
current
zoning
to
16..
I
believe
that
we
can
use
a
lot
of
tools
to
find
out
what
we
think
the
middle
number
is
and
that
we're
not
constrained
by
code
to
do
that.
So
that's
just
my
preamble,
just
a
couple
of
points
height
is
not
the
issue
here.
It's
35
feet
in
this
whole
neighborhood
anybody
could
build
a
35-foot
house,
height,
isn't
the
issue.
L
This
is
a
straight
density
and
setback
question,
and
so
it's
really
a
matter
of
art
and
so
for
this
commissioner
ello
for
me
and
40
units
and
eight
40
units.
Total
is
just
a
zone
too
far
in
this
neighborhood.
For
me-
and
I
just
don't
think
an
ello
zone
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
zoning
and
development,
which
is
criteria
three
of
our
staff
report.
L
I
do
believe
that
the
development
agreement
is
a
really
you
know
a
great
good
faith
effort
to
get
us
to
a
more
compatible
zone,
but
I
just
think
the
straight
road
here
is
to
say:
let's
rezone,
this
is
r2
and
go
from
there,
and
I
want
to
close
with
with
a
comment
on
the
city's
argument
that
we've
got
all
these
substandard
lots
all
around
that
are
really
narrow,
and
so
the
real
density
could
be
much
higher
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
L
F
Madam
chair
commissioner
finfrock,
so
I'm
in
a
complete
agreement
with
commissioner
gillespie.
I
I
just
don't
believe
that
the
requested
rezone
of
lod
preserves
the
compatibility
of
the
surrounding
zoning
and
development,
and
it
just
seems,
as
most
public
comment
we
heard
tonight.
It
just
seems
out
of
character
with
the
neighborhood.
I
don't
believe
this
application
meets
all
the
elements
required
for
the
rezone
compatibility
due
to
density
being
the
most
prevalent.
So
I
could
I
could
get
behind
this
project
and
I
could
support
it.
I
just
not
as
an
lod
and
not
with
the
density.
G
So,
just
I
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
and
a
couple
other
things
to
add.
So
one
of
the
major
differences
between
this
and
the
previous
is
the
previous
application
was
already
zoned.
It
was
already
zoned
lo
and
it
was
on
an
arterial.
This
is
not
neither
of
those
is
accurate,
so
when
we
have
an
application
to
re-zone
a
property,
it's
as
if
we're
sort
of
suggesting
okay,
what
we
have
doesn't
work
for
us.
So
what's
the
next
thing
to
support
it?
G
Well,
the
next
thing
to
support
is
the
comp
plan,
and
while
yes,
there
are
elements
of
the
comp
plan
that
do
support
higher
density-
and
I
completely
agree
with
commissioner
gillespie
in
that.
I
think
that
the
middle
ground
frankly
would
be
r2,
but
there's
also
things
in
the
comprehensive
plan
that
have
to
do
with,
for
example,
protection
or
preservation
of
existing
neighborhoods,
predictable
development
patterns
and
transition,
and
those
are
those
are.
G
Those
are
tenants
that
are
also
valuable
to
the
city
and
specifically
when
people
do
move
into
the
neighborhood
and
they
see
their
surrounding
neighborhoods
are
are
zoned
as
it
is.
It
was
the
r1c.
G
B
AC
I
think
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
think
the
arguments
for
the
the
motion
are
kind
of
makes
sense
to
me.
I'm
comfortable
with
those
arguments
was
a
little
bit
on
the
fence.
I
could
see
the
city's
side
wanting
more
density,
especially
with
that
intersection
of
activity
centers.
However,
predictable
neighborhood
pattern
office.
Zoning
in
this
surrounded
by
you
know
no
arterial
streets,
surrounded
by
r1
or
r
zoning.
AC
It's
hard
to
kind
of
think
that
it
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
even
with
the
development
agreement.
I
think
that's
a
good
start,
but
I'm
just
not
quite
there.
Maybe
that's
a
comment
on
our
zoning
code.
More
than
anything
yeah.
I
think-
and
I
agree
that
maybe
our
two
zoning
with
that
neighborhood
center
being
15,
I
think
I
saw
a
density
with
the
nearest
neighborhood
center-
could
be
a
good
compromise
in
that
and
would
also
encourage
city
council
for
that.
B
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
have
a
motion
to
recommend
denial
for
item
number:
seven
car
21-12
at
2801
west
police
street,
with
some
lots
of
great
notes
to
go
along
with
that
for
city
council.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
vote
said
I.