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A
I
will
start
this
public
works
commission
meeting
this
work
session
into
order
and
I'll
start
with
just
a
quick
roll
call
to
see
who's
here.
Commissioner,
hilton.
C
A
Awesome
so
just
a
quick
item
before
we
jump
into
the
agenda,
I
just
want
to
commend
the
public
works
and
city
staff
on
a
fantastic
climate
action
event
that
just
wrapped
up
it
was
fantastic.
A
It
looked
like
there
were
some
news,
crews
out
there
covering
so
keep
an
eye
out,
but
congratulations
everybody
on
a
well-executed
announcement
of
our
climate
action
goal.
Thank.
E
A
Awesome
so
now
jumping
into
our
agenda.
We
would
like
to
request
a
slight
alteration
to
the
agenda,
as
our
legal
counsel
is
going
to
be
joining
us
a
little
later
in
the
agenda.
A
So
move:
do
we
have
a
second
I'll?
Second,
it
moved
and
seconded.
Is
there
any
discussion
hearing
none
all
those
in
favor,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye.
C
F
A
E
Chair
really
appreciate
the
accommodation
change
the
agenda
oops
somebody
jumping
in
no
okay,
our
first
item
up
on
is
the
on
the
agenda.
Is
the
geothermal
utility
plan
and
we're
going
to
present
this
to
the
commission
in
two
parts.
The
first
part
this
evening
is
really
focused
on
kind
of
the
geothermal
one-on-one.
What
is
the
system?
How
does
it
operate?
How
big
is
it?
E
What
are
some
of
the
challenges
we're
currently
facing
and
then
john's
also
going
to
present
john
gunderson
is
here
sorry
he's
our
geothermal
utility
manager
and
he's
going
to
be
doing
most
of
the
presentation
at
the
end,
he's
going
to
talk
about
some
vision,
mission
and
values
for
the
geothermal
system
that
are
really
presented
as
a
kind
of
starting
point.
We
won't
have
necessarily
a
ton
of
dialogue
on
this
session.
It'll
be
really
focused
on
session
two.
E
We
want
you
to
read
those
and
maybe
process
those
and
then
come
back
for
session
two
when
we
get
into
some
of
the
potential
solutions
moving
forward.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
the
first
slide.
We've
we've
we've
joked
about
this.
When
I
say
geothermal,
somebody
saw
that
it's
like
when
I
say
geo,
you
say
thermal
to
you,
but
the
intent
was
to
hear
from
the
commission
when
we
say
geothermal.
Obviously,
there's
everybody
has
a
perspective
on
geothermal.
They
hear
that
word.
E
We
at
the
city,
obviously
city
staff.
We
know
we
have
a
very
distinct
image
of
what
that
is.
When
we
go
out
and
talk
to
the
public,
they
don't
necessarily
know
what
it
is
when
we
say
the
geothermal
utility
there's
not
necessarily
a
connection
that
they'll
have
to
that.
So
to
start
us
off.
I
was
curious
if
the
commission
would
share
with
us
remember
these
are
work
sessions,
so
we
want
to
have
a
more
dialogue
than
we
typically
would
have
in
a
regular
regular
session.
E
What
do
you
think
of
when
we
say
geothermal?
Obviously,
we've
got
some
images
up
here
that
some
people-
maybe
it's
the
natatorium
or
maybe
it
was
the
historical
uses.
Maybe
it's
you
know
yellowstone,
I'm
curious
to
hear
from
the
commission.
What
do
you
all
think
so,
mr
chair,
do
you
mind
kind
of
leading
the
discussion?
I'm
just
curious
to
hear.
Maybe
if
you
don't
mind
starting
off
or
we
can
ask
others
to
to
jump
in.
A
A
F
When
I
think
of
geothermal
kind
of
the
first
thing
that
comes
to
mind,
is
the
banner
bank
building
and
just
the
opportunities
for
it's
an
option
as
an
energy
source,
and
I
always
think
of
it
as
your.
If
you're
close
enough,
you
can
get
buy-in
for
the
hookup,
it's
a
really
great
way
to
have
an
energy
source,
it's
another
one.
So
this
really
comes
up
for
me.
I
hadn't
thought
of
the
guys.
F
Are
there
for
a
while,
since
I
was
little
yeah
and
also
just
that
boise,
I
thought
had
taken
a
really
good
opportunity
to
hook
up
as
many
buildings
as
they
could
so
far
is
really
what
comes
to
mind.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah
I'll
chime
in
I
always
think
of
yellowstone
first,
but
then
the
close
second
is
geothermal
energy.
So
I
I
those
those
are
just
the
two
things
that
always
jump
into
mine.
For
me.
H
D
Mr
chair,
yes,
go
ahead
along
the
lines
of
what
jake
was
just
saying:
I've
had
a
number
of
years
experience
working
with
geothermal,
either
as
a
commercial
generation
source
or
as
a
heating
system
or
a
utility,
as
we
have
it
here
in
the
in
the
city,
and
it
really
is
always
impressed
me
as
being
as
jake
was
suggesting
something
with
a
lot
of
virtues
that
we
don't
seem
to
capture
or
articulate
very
well
that
being
sustainability
renewability,
the
cleanliness
of
it,
the
value
that's
provided
environmentally,
as
well
as
the
the
value
that's
provided
in
terms
of
a
service,
that's
needed
or
number
of
services
that
could
be
needed
and
provided
with
geothermal.
D
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
great
resource,
it's
one
that
we
should
be.
I
think,
highlighting
I
think
john
and
his
staff
have
done
a
great
job
in
getting
a
system
put
together.
That's
probably
one
of
the
best
in
the
country,
if
not
the
world,
and
it's
one
that
I
think
is
in
my
mind,
it's
it's
just
another
marker
for
the
city
of
boise,
just
like
the
river
geothermal
is
another
one
of
those
attributes.
D
C
H
Yeah,
if
you
want
me
to
fill
some
space,
I
think
of
I
actually
kind
of
think
of
gathering
spaces,
and
so
when
I
was
young,
I
lived
in
the
warm
lake
cascade
area
or
spent
a
lot
of
time
up
there
and
there's
vulcan
hot
springs,
which
is
just
this
massive
geothermal
area,
and
I
got
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research
and
history
on
the
area.
H
It
used
to
be
a
rather
large
gathering
space
for
the
indigenous
population
that
lived
in
that
area
in
a
place
of
healing,
and
then
it
became
a
place
where
a
lot
of
minors
would
gather.
Then
there
actually
was
a
public
pool
there
for
a
little
bit
in
a
long
period
of
time,
there's
all
sorts
of
great
old
pictures,
and
now
people
go
up
there
and
they
kind
of
tour.
The
area
can
cook
a
hard-boiled
egg.
C
Sure
you
know,
I
guess,
when
I
think
of
geothermal.
The
first
thing
I
think
of
is
those
little
like
cartoon
images
of
how
the
earth
works,
that
you
see
in
elementary
school
that
have
like
a
rod
or
a
pipe
going
down
at
the
center
of
the
earth.
That's
magma.
That
was,
I
did.
That
was
literally
the
first
thing.
I
thought
it
was
like
penetrating
the
earth's
crust
more
broadly,
because
I've
been
in
a
lot
of
conversations
about
our
geothermal
system.
C
The
one
that
I
had
today
with
somebody
for
about
an
hour
was
ways
to
act,
to
invest
in
assets
that
you
have
for
free
and
to
you
know,
get
a
lot
of
benefit
from
it
and
we're
talking
about
the
cost
benefits
in
this
case
of
wind
farms
or
other
forms
of
green
energy
that
we
can
invest
in
here
versus
investments
we
can
make
on
the
type
of
infrastructure
we
already
have
like
our
existing
geothermal
system,
so
that
more
nerdy
line
of
thinking
is
top
of
brain
right
now,
because
of
that
conversation
today.
A
E
So,
thank
you
for
that.
One
of
the
things
you're
going
to
see
when
john
presents
is
as
part
of
this
plan,
we've
really
tried
to
kind
of
rethink.
What
geothermal
could
be
in
the
city
of
boise
and
and
kind
of
rethinking
the
way
that
it
can
be
delivered
to
the
citizens
and
do
we
want
it
to
be?
Do
we
want
to
be
known
for
geothermal
energy?
I
think
in
some
circles
we
are.
E
We
could
probably
do
a
much
better
job
and
we've
heard
often
from
citizens
and
we've
heard
it
here
a
couple
times
that
it
would
be
really
cool
if
you,
if,
if
city
boise
is
like
synonymous
with
a
geothermal
city,
so
that's
stuff
that
we'll
share
with
you,
john
and
the
team.
We
also
have
jim
pardy
our
city
engineer
and
doug
reinhardt
from
engineering.
E
E
G
Well,
thank
you
good
afternoon
for
those
that
I
have
not
personally
met.
I'm
john
gunderson.
I
work
in
public
works
engineering.
I've
been
here
for
about
12
years,
overseeing
our
geothermal
program
for
about
the
last
six
years.
So
really
quick.
You
know
when
I
hear
the
word
geothermal,
you
know
a
couple
things
come
to
me.
You
know
number
one.
G
I
guess
right
now
with
with
my
daughter
in
sixth
grade
we're
kind
of
looking
at
the
linguistics,
so
we
look
at
a
geothermal
geo,
meaning
earth
thermal
meaning
heat
heat
from
the
earth,
and
so
I
mean
I
think,
that
kind
of
captures
kind
of
what
we're
all
talking
about.
But
much
more
to
me.
You
know
this
is
you
know
I
I've
really
grown
to
like
this
clean
resource,
this
local
resource,
the
sustainable
resource
that
the
city
is
putting
that
the
city
uses.
G
You
know
this
is
an
energy,
that's
more
dependent,
it's
more
reliable
than
other
renewable
energies
out
there
and
we're
going
to
be
hearing
a
lot
about
geothermal
in
in
the
upcoming
years.
There's
a
lot
of
national
laboratories.
There's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
are
looking
at
how
to
best
harness
geothermal
and
with
boise
being
one
of
the
largest
geothermal
heating
districts,
the
largest
in
the
country,
one
of
the
largest
in
the
world.
G
Learned,
okay,
so
we
we
have
a
lot
of
content
to
cover
tonight
and-
and
I
think,
I'm
already
kind
of
going
over
time,
so
I'm
gonna
go
relatively
quick.
Please
feel
free
to
interrupt
me.
G
Stop
me
if
there's
any
questions
or
if
I'm
not
clear
about
something,
but
as
steve
alluded
to
over
the
last
few
months,
we've
been
working
really
hard
at
this
utility
plan
and
trying
to
look
at
both
get
a
good
understanding
of
where
we
currently
are,
with
our
geothermal
program,
learn
from
where
we've
been
where
we
currently
are.
G
But,
more
importantly,
where
are
we
going
with
it
and
and
that's
the
overall
crux
of
the
utility
plan
and
we're
gonna
get
more
into
some
of
the
challenges
and
why
the
urgency
to
put
it
together
now
is
but
really
quick
as
an
overview
of
what
we're
going
to
cover
tonight
tonight.
Is
this
we're
calling
it
work
session
one
and
again
this?
G
So
today
we're
going
to
talk
just
the
overall
goal
today
is
just
to
make
sure
we
all
have
a
clear
understanding
of
what
boise's
geothermal
program
is,
and
once
we
once
we're
clear
on
what
it
is,
then
next
work
session
we're
going
to
focus
more
on
the
challenges
and
where
we're
going,
how
we're
going
to
implement
it
resource
needs
to
implement
them
and
and
and
hopefully,
kind
of
all
stack
hands
and
agree
that
this
is
the
direction
that
the
city
of
boise
wants
to
take
the
geothermal
program,
and
once
we
get
past
that
work
session
too,
then
I
I
show
a
third
box
in
here
this
third
box.
G
So,
just
I'm
going
to
just
jump
right
into
it
for
an
interest
of
time.
G
As
part
of
the
memo
we
sent
a
link
out
for
a
couple,
educational
videos
and-
and
I'm
hoping
you
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
them-
there
there's
about
a
dozen
of
them
less
than
a
minute
or
less
less
than
a
minute
long
each,
and
these
are
something
that
we've
recently
put
together
for
the
boise
watershed,
and
you
know
just
to
plug
the
boise
watershed
really
quick.
We
we've
dedicated
a
big
portion
of
the
boise
watershed
to
geothermal
education.
G
So
so
now
these
videos
are
part
of
an
interactive
kiosk,
where
we
can
learn
everything
about
geothermal
everything
from
the
history
to
the
heat
sources
to
to
the
uses
to
what
it
takes
to
make
power
from
it.
Aquifer
management
there's
a
lot
of
great
resources
there.
G
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
all
that
this
evening.
So
so
I
again
hope
that
you
had
an
opportunity
to
to
review
them
to
see
them,
and
if
not
this
saturday,
we
are
doing
the
the
grand
unveiling
of
this
geothermal,
exhibit
out
of
the
watershed.
So
it'd
be
a
good
opportunity
to
swing
by
and
not
only
see
this
interactive
kiosk,
but
we
also
have
a
neat
timeline
out
there.
We've
got
some
displays
of
historic
pipe
that
we
used
to
use
the
old
wood
stave,
pipe
and
and
there's
even
this.
G
G
Although
everything
in
those
videos
is
really
great
stuff-
and
it's
all
going
to
be
on
display
tonight,
we're
going
to
take
a
much
deeper
look
at
the
city's
geothermal
program,
specifically
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
Basically,
where
is
our
service
area?
You
know
what
is
it
where
can
geothermal
be
served?
Where
can
it
be
used?
Look
at
the
condition
of
our
system.
Look
at
the
capacity
of
the
system.
Look
at
our
customers.
G
G
Okay,
so,
let's
start
with
where
it
is
okay,
so
we're
we're
looking
at
a
map
here.
This
is
this
is
downtown
boise.
You
can
see
the
boise
river
kind
of
cutting
right
through
the
center
of
it
there's
a
handful
of
different
colors
on
here,
so
the
boise
geothermal
system
is
not
the
only
system
downtown.
A
few.
G
A
few
of
the
commission
members
mentioned
living
in
in
an
area
with
geothermal
and
for
the
most
part
I
I
assume
that
that
is
kind
of
along
the
warm
springs
avenue
or
up
and
down
the
streets
along
warm
springs,
avenue
and
we'll
see
on
this
on
this
map.
That's
what
the
green
line
represents.
The
green
line
is
the
the
warm
the
historic
district
it's
been
around
since
the
1800s,
the
magenta,
the
the
pink
line
is
the
city
of
boise
system.
G
Again,
the
river
kind
of
cuts
right
through
it,
and
we
can
see
now
that
we're
serving
on
the
south
end
of
the
river
over
at
boise
state
university,
now
serving
11
of
their
buildings.
The
the
light
blue
is
the
state
of
idaho
system.
We
have
the
only
state
capital
to
be
heated
by
geothermal
and
the
whole
capital
mall,
and
the
darker
blue
up
in
the
top
is
the
the
the
va
system.
It
heats.
G
The
va
hospital
in
about
20
buildings
up
on
the
via
campus,
specifically
looking
looking
right
at
our
system,
doesn't
show
up
very
well
on
here,
but
you
kind
of
see
a
shaded
area.
That
is
what
we
call
our
place
of
use.
That's
that's
defined
by
our
water
right,
for
this
geothermal
and
and
with
the
water
right.
You
define
where
it's
going
to
be
applied
to
where
it's
going
to
be
used
so
so
right
now
the
shaded
area
is
where
we're
allowed
to
be
using
geothermal
water.
G
There's
no
reason
that
this
map
cannot
be
amended
and
we
can
extend
it,
but
it
does
go
through
a
public
comment
period
and
and
it's
just
a
formality
right
now,
it
captures
our
entire
system
plus
a
few
blocks
in
each
direction
for
upcoming
growth,
you'll
see
on
the
top
right
side
of
it.
There's
a
couple
blue
dots,
that's
where
our
production
wells
are
located,
they're
up
by
the
new
bike
skills
park,
up
on
off
mountain
cove,
road
and
off
of
fort
boise.
G
We
have
three
main
production
wells
up.
There
there's
four
wheels
that
are
drilled.
We
use
one
of
them
as
our
monitoring
well
and
then
this
water
is
piped
to
downtown
to
to
a
series
of
buildings
everywhere
that
you
see
one
of
our
lines
here.
It's
there's
actually
two
pipes,
it's
a
two-pipe
system,
so
we
take
the
hot
water
from
the
wells
we
take
them
to
a
building
after
the
building
takes
some
heat
off
of
it.
We
capture
it
again
and
we
run
it
to
our
injection.
G
Well,
which
is
you
see,
a
green
dot,
it's
kind
of
on
the
back
side
of
julie
davis
park
and-
and
maybe
the
last
piece
of
it
too
is
you'll-
see
a
kind
of
a
squiggly
line
going
off
to
the
left,
and
that
is
our
emergency
river
discharge.
We'll
talk
more
about
that
in
the
regulation
piece
of
this,
but
but
we
are
permitted
to
discharge
to
the
boise
river.
With
that
said,
we
we
don't.
We
we
don't
like
to
it's
for
emergency
uses
only
in
general,
it's
basically
our
safety
switch.
G
B
G
Mr
chairman,
commissioner,
yes
we
we
do,
we
we
do
discharge
to
the
river,
maybe
a
few
times
a
year,
it's
when
we're
doing
maintenance
to
our
injection
well
or
if
or
if
there's
a
power
failure
at
our
injection.
Well,
basically,
we
we
need
a
place
to
put
this
water
and
and
on
the
other
hand,
it
acts
as
our
safety
switch.
So
if,
if
there
is
a
power
failure
at
the
injection
well,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
over
pressurizing
our
system.
G
So
if
our
pipes
reach
a
certain
pressure,
there's
an
automatic
valve
that
opens
up
to
the
river
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
saving
our
infrastructure
and
and
not
over
pressurizing
things.
So
we
do
go
there
a
couple
times
a
year,
but
but
we
we
try
not
to
we.
We
do
everything
we
can
not
do
it's.
Basically,
our
water
right
says
gallon
out
gallon
back
in
and
that's
what
we
try
to
do.
G
Okay,
moving
on
into
system
condition
in
general
I'd
say:
our
system
is
in
fairly
good
to
fair
condition.
If
we
take
a
look
at
this
chart,
we
have
it
color-coded,
you
know
green,
being
good
red
being
bad.
G
This
is
really
important,
because
we
don't
want
to
run
a
system
to
failure.
You
never
want
to
run
a
utility
to
failure
and
and
try
to
expect
to
replace
it
all
at
one
time.
G
So
so
this
this
will
directly
tie
into
kind
of
the
financial
discussion
we're
going
to
be
having
here
in
a
few
minutes
on
the
need
to
start
replacing
and
and
improving
some
of
these
assets,
to
be
clear,
the
condition
that
we're
at
and
kind
of
the
financial
situation
that
we'll
be
talking
about
this
is
not
to
the
fault
of
any
past
management.
Any
past
leadership
this
this
has
been
a
pilot
project.
G
This
entire
program
has
been
a
pilot
project
for
the
last
35
years
and
it
wasn't
just
until
three
years
ago
we
actually
were
able
to
secure
our
original
water
right
for
this
water.
So
there
was
a
good
chance
that
the
department
of
water
resources
was
going
to
ask
us
to
take
our
straw
out
of
the
cup
before
it
before
we
got
a
license
for
it.
G
We're
talking
regulations
now
we
have
a
license
for
it.
Now,
we've
applied
for
junior
water
rights
and
received
them,
and
this
is
now
kind
of
a
changing
of
the
tides
where
this
is
a.
This
is
a
established
utility
that
has
the
right
to
be
pumped
in
this
water
and
and
and
we
we
just
want
to
make
sure
now
that
we're
readdressing
all
this
looking
at
make
sure
we're
doing
the
right
thing
with
it.
G
The
most
critical
piece
of
our
system
is
major
metal
fittings.
G
When
the
system
first
got
put
in
the
ground,
they
used
best
practices,
best
construction
practices,
best
materials
that
they
knew
at
the
time
and
and
one
of
them
was
these-
these
big
ductile
iron
and
cast
iron
metal
fittings,
and
what
we're
learning
now
30
years
later,
is
a
combination
of
this
water
combination
with
our
soils.
The
temperature
makes
it
very,
very
corrosive.
G
You
can
see
some
of
these
pictures.
The
top
one
is,
is
a
coupling
that
we
just
put
out
of
the
ground.
Last
year
I
mean
you
pull
this
metal
out
and
you
can
crumble.
It
with
your
fingers.
Second
to
the
bottom
is
is
something
we
they
tried
using
about
10
years
ago,
using
stainless
steel
for
fittings
and
we're
finding
that
those
were
even
failing
at
a
very
high
rate.
You
know
what
what's
really
interesting
is
taking
a
look
at
this
quick
graph.
I
just
pulled
offline.
G
Is
carbon
steel
has
a
correctivity
curve
on
how
fast
it
grows
and
about
the
highest
point
on
that
is
the
temperature
of
our
geothermal
water,
meaning
if
our
water
is
any
colder,
if
things
would
grow
at
a
slower
rate
or
if
there's
any
hotter,
it's
slower
than
occur
at
the
slower
rate,
we're
kind
of
right
at
that
apex
and
we're
seeing
it
on
these
metal
fittings.
G
As
far
as
new
construction
goes,
we
are
always
innovating
we're
looking
at
new
materials,
we're
looking
at
new
pipe
types,
we're
looking
at
cathodic
protection,
basically
try
to
make
make
any
assets
we
put
in
the
ground
last
as
long
as
they
can
for
as
long
as
they
can
and
for
the
most
part,
it's
plastic
and
composite
pipes
and
fittings
and
materials
that
that
essentially
has
no
metal
associated
with
it.
G
And
so
that's
what
we've
been
doing
this
summer
last
summer,
really
improving
big
portions
of
our
system
to
to
get
rid
of
the
these
failing
these
failing
metal
fittings.
G
Let
me
just
pause
real
quick,
so
I
talked
about
kind
of
the
area
and
the
system
condition
before
I
move
on
to
capacity.
Are
there
any
any
questions.
B
G
I
I
can
hit
that
one
really
quick
there.
There
are
new
grades
of
hdpe,
the
high
density
polyethylene.
It's
a
really
strong.
It's
a
really
sound
pipe,
it's
a
plastic
pipe,
that's
extruded,
and
as
of
as
of
about
three
or
four
years
ago,
the
the
maximum
temperatures
we're
at
140
degrees.
G
So
we
use
this
pipe
all
over
the
sewer
in
the
sewer
side,
suez
uses
it
all
for
their
water
systems,
but
we
could
never
use
it
on
the
geothermal
system
because
of
the
temperatures,
and
it
was
about
two
years
ago
they
came
out
with
a
new
new
blend
of
it
that
can
now
withstand
higher
temperatures,
and
so
we've
been
using
that
not
solely
but
but
but
a
lot
of
it
over
the
last
two
years,
and
it
has
proven
itself
to
be
a
much
cheaper,
much
more
reliable
contractors
love
working
with
it
because
they
they
work
on
it
on
all
the
other
systems
downtown.
A
Awesome,
I
have
a
question
and
then
it
looks
like
councilmember.
Beijing
has
a
has
his
hand
up
as
well.
So
my
question
is:
what
does
aging
look
like
for
these,
this
new
grade
of
plastic
pipe?
What
does
the
degradation
of
that
pipe
look
like,
especially
if
it
has
any
runoff
or
pollutant
effect
on
the
geothermal
water?
As
it's
returned.
G
Thank
you
for
the
question,
mr
chairman.
The
this
pipe
that
we're
using
is
water
class
quality
bike.
It's
meant
for
water
industries.
I
I
too
is
very
concerned
about
the
degradation
of
it.
You
know
we
we
don't
want
to.
G
We
don't
put
everything
in
the
deep,
yet
we
don't
want
to
invest
solely
into
one
material
until
we
know
more
about
it,
so
we
we
are
using
that
a
lot
for
some
of
these
major
upgrades
we're
also
using
fiberglass
pipe
we're
also
using
some
pex
pipe
and
we've
been
talking
a
lot
with
the
manufacturers,
the
manufacturers
of
this
http
on
on
all
of
the
characteristics,
everything
from
insulation,
property
and
heat
capacity
of
it,
expansion
and
contraction
of
it,
uv
degradation.
G
We've
been,
we've
been
scouring
this
trying
to
find
that
fatal
flaw
on
it
and
and
as
of
now
we're
not
seeing
it,
and
I
don't
think
we
will
that
this
is.
This
is
proven
in
the
industry
and
it's
definitely
times
better
than
what's
currently
in
there.
A
C
Thank
you,
the
question
that
I
had
actually
pertained
to
the
maps
that
we
saw
earlier
and
my
question
is
what
is
the
imagine
it
has
to
do
with
all
kinds
of
things,
including
the
pipe
properties
you
talked
about.
But
what
is
the
approximate
distance
from
our
wells
that
we
can
get
the
water
to
while
it's
still
hot
enough
to
be
useful?
We
couldn't,
for
instance,
send
hot
water
to
utah
because
it
would
be
cold
water
when
it
got
there
like.
C
What
is
the
you
know
the
useful
or
efficient
radius
for
distributing
water
from
this
system
throughout
town.
G
Mr
commissioner,
council
member,
thank
you
for
the
question.
You
know
that
that's
a
really
good
question
there.
If
our
production
wells
were
located
miles
away,
we
I
believe
we
could
still
maintain
that
heat
capacity
to
serve
downtown.
G
We
were
really
surprised
when
we
went
over
to
boise
state
five
years
ago,
because
boise
state
asked
the
same
question:
what
temperature
water
do
we
should
we
expect
to
receive
and
being
the
farthest
point
from
our
wells.
We
weren't
confident
on
a
certain
number.
So
so
we
told
him
about
150
degrees,
knowing
that
we
pumped
it
out
at
177
150
that
it
shouldn't
get
any
lower
than
that.
G
We
have
been
seeing
temperatures
over
at
boise
state
the
farthest
point
of
this
system
at
175
only
losing
2
degrees
from
point
a
to
b,
but
but
there's
lots
of
other
factors
with
this
and
like
the
biggest
one
is
I'm
going
to
say
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet,
but
winter
time
use
versus
summertime
use.
I
mean
it's
the
velocity
of
the
in
the
system.
G
How
fast
can
you
move
the
water
from
point
a
to
point
b,
and
so
so
that
kind
of
goes
to
the
point
of
if
these
production
wells,
if
the
source
was
miles
away,
we'd
have
all
this
velocity.
All
this
water
would
be
coming
at
one
time
now,
if
you're
asking
me
to
serve
a
single
residence
five
miles
down
the
road,
there's
not
gonna,
be
enough
capacity.
There's
not
gonna
be
enough
velocity
to
keep
that
water
warm
for
that
long.
G
So
so
it's
really
a
gray
area
on
how
far
we
can
go
with
it,
but
but
we
are
seeing
as
our
further
expansions
we're
maintaining
that
heat
capacity
much
greater
than
we
ever
thought.
We
could
in
part
two
that
we
insulate
our
lines
as
well,
so
it's
not
just
pipes
in
the
grounds
these
are
pipes
that
are
insulated
and
then
and
then,
once
that
the
ground
heats
up
to
temperature,
you
know
we're
maintaining
that
heat
for
a
good
portion
of
the
time.
C
A
And
I
have
a
follow-up
to
that
that
you
may
be
getting
and
getting
to,
and
if
you
are,
then
we
can
just
move
forward.
But
are
there
concerns
about
the
density
of
development
in
the
downtown
core
area,
this
area
and
with
the
new
buildings
that
go
up
that
may
be
using
geothermal
heat,
etc,
as
we
build
more
dense
construction
using
this,
this
asset
on
the
radius
overall
of
usability.
G
Mr
commissioner,
bear
with
me,
because
that
is
our
next
set
so
perfect,.
G
G
Great
segue-
and
thank
you
for
that-
you
know
to
directly
answer
your
question
here.
Our
pipeline
capacity
we
hydraulically,
we
have
lots
of
additional
capacity.
We
we
have
some
major
backbones
of
the
system
that
are
not
even
close
to
capacity,
and
so
so,
when
we
start
talking
about
the
growth
portion
and
that'll,
be
at
our
next
session
that
that
is
going
to
be
one
focus
area
that
we
have
is
looking
at.
G
Just
in
filling
our
system
that
you
know
we
we
have
this
utility,
we
already
there's
a
lot
of
buildings
that
are
adjacent
to
it.
If
I
go
back
to
that
map
a
lot
of
buildings
that
are
adjacent
to
it
that
are
not
connected
so,
rather
than
building
more
lines,
putting
more
assets
in
the
ground,
let's
use
what
we
already
have
and
get
more
of
the
downtown,
more
square
footage
connected
to
it,
bigger
picture
or
overall
for
the
system,
it's
kind
of
broken
up
into
these
five
different
areas.
G
We
have
the
production
capacity,
basically
pulling
the
water
out
of
the
ground
mechanically.
We
can
pull
a
lot
more
water
out
of
the
ground
from
the
wells
that
we
have
and
from
from
what
we
what's
already
in
place
on
on
the
other
end
of
the
system
injection
capacity,
this
is
being
able
to
put
the
water
back
into
the
ground.
G
Although
we
only
have
one
injection
well,
we
we
do
testing
on
it
every
five
years
to
make
sure
that
it
still
has
receiving
capacity,
and
we
just
did
it
two
years
ago
and
again
we
have
lots
of
additional
capacity
to
dispose
of
this
water
through
our
injector
well
pipeline
capacity
mainly
just
covered.
We
have
some
big
backbones
of
the
system,
a
lot
of
capacity
there,
depending
on
the
location
we
might
get.
G
Our
capacity
might
diminish
a
little
bit.
For
example,
on
the
peripheral
on
the
edges
of
the
system.
The
pipes
are
a
little
bit
smaller.
So
if
we,
if
we
want
to
start
extending
blocks
this
way,
we
might
start
identifying
some
bottlenecks
in
the
system,
but
we
have
our
entire
system
modeled
in
a
hydraulic
model
and
we're
watching
it.
After
every
connection,
when
we're
seeing
our
new
peak
loads
and
trying
to
understand,
where
are
the
most
critical
portions
of
our
system,
aquifer
capacity
is
the
next
one?
G
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
graph
right
after
this
slide
talks
more
about
the
aquifer,
but
but
in
general,
our
aquifer
is
in
good
health.
It's
in
good
standing.
What
is
probably
the
the
limiting
factor
here
is
our
water
rights
for
this
water.
G
Again,
we
have
secured
our
original
pre-1982
water
rights
we've
applied
and
received
additional
water
rights,
we're
going
to
be
permitted
to
pump
up
to
385
million
gallons
here
in
the
next
two
years.
We
have
this
kind
of
stair-step
approach
on
on
proving
up
on
our
water
rights.
You
can
see
on
the
graph
on
the
bottom
right.
The
the
green
lines
show
our
actual
production
volumes
and
the
red
lines
are
these
next
three
years
going
forward
what
our
maximum
volumes
can
be.
G
So
there
is
definitely
a
lot
of
room
for
growth,
but
it's
not
endless,
and
it's
definitely
we're
going
to
run
into
these
water
right
issues.
Before
we
run
into
the
production
injection
pipeline
aquifer
issues,
we
staff
does
believe
that
we
will
be
able
to
apply
and
receive
additional
water
rights
above
and
beyond
this,
because
of
what
I'm
going
to
show
you
next,
but
that's
the
process
of
applying
for
and
nothing's
guaranteed
until
it's
until
it's
done
quickly.
This
is
this
is
a
look
at
our
aquifer.
G
This
is
using
two
of
our
main
monitoring
wells.
This
is
our
blm
and
canta.
Well
that
we
monitor
the
geothermal
aquifer,
and
this
is
a
hydrograph
showing
that
the
depth
to
the
aquifer
and
what
what
I
just
want
to
point
out
here
is
in
1983
when
the
system
was
developed.
The
aquifers
started
to
decline
very
quickly,
and
this
was
because
we
did
not
have
an
injection.
Well,
we
were
pumping
the
water
and
then
dumping
it
to
the
boise
river,
and
then
the
aquifer
declined
really
quick.
G
It
took
the
city
about
10
years
to
find
a
location
to
find
funding
to
to
drill
an
injection
weld
and
start
re-injecting.
This
water
proven
proven
aquifer
management
on
on
all
around
the
world.
The
aquifer
or
the
injectable
was
completed
in
1999,
and
we
can
see
that
the
very
next
year
it
started
to
rebound
in
2013.
G
It
actually
met
pre-1983
conditions
and,
although
very
very
incremental,
each
year,
this
aquifer
still
is
coming
up
a
couple
inches
to
a
couple
feet
each
year.
So
so
the
aquifer
is
in
good
health,
and
it's
because
of
this
decline.
It's
because
of
this
dip
in
it
is
why
we
were
never
allowed
to
prove
our
original
water
right,
because
there's
this
decline,
department
of
water
resources
did
what
they
call.
They
put
a
moratorium
over
the
aquifer
and
said:
there's
gonna
be
no
more
future.
G
Development
of
this
there's
gonna
be
everybody's
gonna
have
to
curtail
their
flow
until
until
a
solution
is
worked
out,
and
it
was
three
years
ago
that
we
applied
for
proof
of
beneficial
use
of
this
resource
received
it
because,
because
of
the
success
and
at
the
same
time
applied
for
an
additional
water
right
and
and
received
it,
and-
and
we
believe
we'll
be
able
to
keep
doing
that
going
forward
as
long
as
as
long
as
the
software
remains
healthy,.
G
I
don't
know
what
happened
okay,
so
moving
to
our
next
category
is
our
customer
base?
Basically,
who
do
we
have
connected
to
our
system
when
the
system
started
in
the
early
80s,
we
started
with
15
customers,
15
buildings,
downtown
and,
and
that's
been
a
number-
that's
been
growing
pretty
consistently
ever
since
didn't
like
me,
as
you
can
see
from
this
graph,
the
the
number
of
buildings
that
is
connected
has
been
very
fairly
consistent
over
the
years.
G
You
can
see
a
couple
big
jumps
there,
like
in
2013,
when
we
connected
boise
state,
there's
a
jump
of
nine
buildings
at
a
time,
but
but
on
average
it's
about
two
to
three
new
buildings:
new
connections
each
year
and
in
these
range
from
from
small
residential
type
buildings
to
some
of
the
largest
buildings
here
downtown.
G
I
would
like
to
point
out.
We
do
have
three
new
ones
coming
online
this
year
as
well.
G
We,
the
system,
has
essentially
doubled
in
size
since
2001
and-
and
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
talk
to
kind
of
more
at
the
next
session-
is
this
growth
has
been
an
organic
growth.
This
has
been
buildings
interested
in
it.
Coming
to
the
city
wanting
a
connection
wanting
to
use
this
utility,
we
have
not
had
a
targeted
approach
or
or
very
minimal
incentives
for
folks
to
connect.
This
has
been
kind
of
added
developers
desire
to
connect,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
that
warrants
a
lot
of
discussion
on
moving
forward
on.
G
How
do
we
want
to
see
the
system
growing
or
expanding,
but
customer
growth
needs
to
be
targeted
to
some
point
and
be
a
little
bit
more
deliberate,
because
certain
buildings
in
certain
uses
really
provide
a
lot
more
significant
benefit
to
the
geo
program
and
to
the
buildings
than
than
others.
G
G
So
this
this
is
one
of
those
you
know
losing
one
building
can
make
a
huge
impact
to
to
the
fund
kind
of,
on
that
same
notion,
the
we're
seeing
10
buildings
here,
the
top
10
buildings
account
for
about
fifty
percent
of
our
entire
revenue,
whereas
the
other
seven,
actually
that's
the
17,
it
should
be
82.
The
other
82
buildings
account
for
the
other
50.
So
there's
a
big,
you
know,
there's
a
big
swing
there.
In
fact,
I
looked
right
before
this.
G
The
the
bottom
ten
buildings
account
for
approximately
one
percent
of
our
revenue
top
ten
fifty
percent
bottom,
ten,
one
percent,
so
so
by
just
adding
buildings
to
our
system
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we're
it's
benefiting
the
fund,
it's
benefiting
the
program
and
and
we
might
find
that
there
might
be
deliberate
or
special,
targeted
buildings
that
we
want
to
approach
more
than
more
than
others.
G
Interestingly,
you'll
see
the
fourth
one
down
is
the
downtown
ymca
downtown
ymca
is
definitely
not
one
of
our
larger
customers
largest
buildings,
but
uses
of
this
water
is
a
whole
other
factor.
So
the
ymca
I
mean
they're
they're
heating,
their
swimming
pools,
they're
heating,
their
their
showers,
their
hot
tubs,
their
their
building,
their
laundry
facilities,
and-
and
not
only
are
they
heating,
this
stuff
they're
doing
it
year
round,
where
most
of
these
other
buildings
use
this
utility
for
just
just
a
couple
months
out
of
the
year.
That
was
the
next
slide.
G
A
lot
of
these
buildings
are
really
only
using
this
water,
three
or
four
months,
primarily
out
of
the
year,
and
so
targeting
certain
buildings,
but
also
targeting
certain
uses
is
going
to
be
a
huge
factor.
As
we
start
looking
forward,
let's
see
buildings
that
we
serve.
It
accounts
for
basically
everything
downtown.
It's
commercial
buildings.
It's
it's
governmental,
it's
residential!
G
It's
it's
the
hotels,
it's
the
it's
the
churches,
it's
everything
in
in
between
we're,
also
seeing
here
more
recently
in
the
in
the
last
few
years,
a
huge
swift
shift
towards
other
uses
of
this
water.
G
We
have
of
our
customers
now
about
a
third
of
them
heat
or
partially
heat
all
of
their
domestic
water.
It's
happening
right
here
at
city
hall,
the
hot
water
that
comes
out
of
the
tap
is
being
heated
by
geothermal,
it's
not
it's,
not
the
the
geothermal
water
and
the
egg
smell
we're
referring
to
there's
about
a
half
dozen
sidewalk
snowmelt
systems
downtown
utilizing
this
water.
G
There's
again
everything
from
pool
heating
that
the
elks
hospital
has
therapy
pools
that
they
heat
with
it.
Two
just
right
down.
The
street
is,
though,
claimed
as
the
world's
only
outdoor
heated
geothermally
heated
bar
at
the
diabolo
sons.
G
Another
important
piece
here
is
of
our
entire
number
of
buildings,
so
so
we
are
hitting
92
buildings
now
downtown
11
over
at
boise
state,
just
over
six
and
a
half
million
square
feet.
G
The
graph
on
the
right
very
similar
to
the
pie
chart.
We
just
saw
just
kind
of
shows
the
the
magnitude
the
spread
of
some
of
these
buildings,
whereas
we
see
the
federal
buildings
using
over
20
million
gallons
of
this
water
each
year.
It
all
the
way
down
to
our
10th
one
is
only
using
6
million
gallons.
So
that's
the
morrison
center
over
at
boise
state,
and
so
there
there's
even
just
a
big
swing
in
these
in
these
top
ten
and
those
numbers
diminish
really
quickly.
G
Let
me
let
me
pause
for
just
another
minute
here
before
I
keep
going,
mr
commissioner,
any
any
thoughts,
any
questions.
E
F
G
G
Let's
get
going
okay
on
on
the
regulatory
side,
basically
broken
into
three
parts.
Here
we
go
again:
we've
got
the
production
side
where
we
can
pull
out
of
the
ground.
We've
got
the
injection
side.
What
we
can
put
back
into
the
ground
and
we
have
our
emergency
npds
river
discharge
permit.
G
G
Now
that
we
have
actually
gone
to
license
for
these
water
rights
and
we've
see
received
permit
to
to
increase
it
even
further,
and
we
we
saw
that
graph
already
a
green
line
showing
how
much
we
actually
produced
and
red
lines
showing
what
we're
allowed
to
produce
and
and
you'll
see
that
the
numbers
really
swing
there
over
these
last
five
years,
and
that's
I
mean
that's
directly,
because
the
amount
of
water
we
produce
ties
to
how
cold
of
a
winter
it
is
most
of
these
buildings
are
using
it
for
for
heating
only
so
on
cold
winters
such
as
the
snowmageddon
year
between
17
and
18.
G
G
Another
mentionable
item
here
is
is
the
river
discharge.
So
so
again
we
we
don't
choose
to
go
to
the
river,
it's
for
emergencies
only
or
for
mechanical
failures
at
our
injection.
Well,
it's
that
safety
switch
for
our
system,
but
we
still
do
have
a
permit
for
it
and
with
half
of
these
buildings
only
having
geothermal
as
their
their
only
heating
source,
we
need.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
keep
water
flowing.
G
We
need
to
keep
it
moving,
and
so
so
that's
why
it's
nice
having
this
river
discharge
but,
as
you
know,
as
more
focus
is
being
placed
onto
the
rivers
now
you
know
th
this
hot
water
going
to
the
river-
it's
probably
it's
probably
short-lived,
and
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
need
to
start
addressing
is:
where
else
can
we
dispose
of
this
water
dude?
E
G
Now
I'm
going
to
jump
into
the
the
financial
side
of
it
and
we're
going
to
spend
just
a
little
bit
more
time
here,
a
lot
of
things.
We
talked
to
a
point
back
here
so
from
a
high
level.
The
geothermal
program
is,
it
is
an
enterprise
fund
through
the
city,
meaning
we
don't
rely
on
the
general
fund.
We
don't
rely
on
other
departments.
Our
entire
revenue
is
based
off
of
water
sales.
So,
on
those
cold
years
we
get
more
revenue
than
we
do
on
the
on
the
warmer
winters.
G
As
we
can
see
on
the
graph
on
the
right
here
that
this
shows
the
each
month
over
the
fiscal
year
of
when
we
receive
our
revenue,
a
majority
of
our
revenue
is
received
in
three
or
four
months,
they're
in
the
middle
of
the
winter.
It
it
it
is
received
year
round.
But
but
this
is
something
that
we
will
talk
to
in
the
strategic
side
of
it
is
you
know,
trying
to
flatline
this
a
little
bit
more
and
receive
revenue
throughout
the
entire
year?
G
Look
at
other
uses
look
at
look
at
ways
to
diversify,
but,
but
I
guess
because
of
this
currently,
it
does
help
us
on
the
on
the
replacement
on
the
the
asset
management
side
of
it,
where
there's
minimal
use
in
the
summer
time.
So
that's
a
great
time
to
go
in
there
and
make
upgrades,
do
replacements
portions
of
the
system
and
will
have
minimal
impact
to.
G
Buildings,
so,
although
the
our
existing
water
sales
do
fund
the
operation
of
our
system,
they
do
not
fully
fund
any
extensions
of
our
system
or
replacements
of
our
resist
of
our
system,
so
so
that
kind
of
circles
back
to
our
condition,
analysis
that
we
were
first
looking
at
is
as
a
lot
of
these
assets,
they're
they're,
reaching
their
they've
reached
or
will
be
reaching
their
useful
life,
and-
and
we
need
to
really
get
serious
about
about
replacing
them
based
on
this
remaining
useful
life
on
all
parts
of
the
system,
what
it
takes
to
replace
these
assets.
G
We,
we
have
been
creative
these
last
three
years.
Where
we
have,
we
have
borrowed
a
little
bit
of
money
from
the
city's
general
fund.
We
have
used
what
we
call
a
reserve
for
replacement
the
depreciation
to
directly
fund
some
capital
projects
that
were
that
we
need
to
do,
but
that
is
short-lived.
It's
it's
not
sustainable.
G
In
fact,
the
the
bottom
left
chart
here
shows
us
what
our
fund
balances
or
what
our
or
what
our
bank
account
holds
in
it
and
and
we're
seeing
that
even
our
bank
account
is
diminishing
over
these
next
10
years,
so
so
something's
going
to
have
to
change,
to
start
replacing
these
and
and
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
challenge
for
us.
So
staff
really
wants
to
get
in
front
of
this
funding
obstacle,
but
as
you'll
learn
through
this
process,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
along
the
way.
G
So
so,
in
summary,
on
this
on
this
financial
capacity,
we
are
at
this
fork
in
the
road
where
we
need
to
make
a
decision
of
continue
to
operate
the
system,
how
we
have
historically
and
I'm
going
to
say
kind
of
running
it
to
failure.
Or
we
we
make
this
dramatic
change
and
we
start
addressing
these
problems.
We
switch
gears,
we
take
a
global
look
at
this
utility
and
and
we
define
the
sustainable
path
going
forward.
G
First
and
foremost,
is:
is
this
utility
plan
it's
it's
setting
the
course
you
know
getting
our
bearing
on
on
on
the
compass.
Where
are
we
trying
to
go?
Where
are
we
trying
to
take
this
there?
Never
before
have
we
have
a
stat
formally
establish
this
course?
So
so
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today
and
in
our
next
meeting
in
subsequent
meetings,
some
some
other
challenges
is
the
these
revenue
constraints,
how
we're
going
to
start
replacing
our
assets.
G
If
we
do
want
to
expand,
if
we
do
want
to
grow,
how
are
we
going
to
fund
that
and
as
every
utility
needs
there,
you
need
to
keep
upgrading
it?
You
need
to
stay
with
current
technologies
and
in
materials,
competition
competitions,
it's
a
whole
other
obstacle
that
we're
gonna
have
to
navigate.
I
gotta
slide
right
after
this.
G
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
competition
operational
challenges,
a
lot
of
developers
they
design
a
lot
of
these
buildings
out
of
state
or
geothermal,
is
not
their
number
one
focus,
and
so
a
lot
of
times.
These
buildings
are
approached
with
tying
onto
the
geothermal
system
at
the
11th
hour
and
by
then,
decisions
have
already
been
made.
They've
already
got
budget
numbers
and
to
throw
to
throw
this
wrench
into
it
complicates
things
we
also.
We
also
want
to
talk
about
building
efficiencies.
I
mean
the
more
efficient.
G
We
can
start
making
buildings
the
more
the
more
energy
they
can
squeeze
out
of
every
gallon.
The
more
we're
gonna
have
the
more
we
can
sell
the
more
we
can
expand
the
the
bigger
the
better
of
a
utility.
This
can
be
technical
challenges.
I
kind
of
mentioned
that
one
already
there
there's
really
very
few
resources
to
lean
upon
when
it
comes
to
a
geothermal
heating
district,
and
so
so
so.
G
Defining
those
resources
and
and
moving
forward
with
technical
challenges
has
been
very
difficult
and,
and
the
last
one
that
we
thought
we
put
on
here
just
more
recently
is
there's
really
a
very
minimal,
very
minimal
visibility
of
the
geothermal,
and
this
has
been
something
that
we've
been
trying
to
change
over
the
last
five
years,
you'll
notice,
basically,
every
building
downtown
that
uses
geothermal
has
a
plaque
on
their
building.
It's
a
you
know:
this
building
is
heated
by
geothermal.
G
Not
not
only
does
that
get
visibility
of
our
utility,
but
buildings
really
like
it
too.
So
all
our
tenants
and
visitors
know
that
this
building's
using
the
sustainable
energy,
but
I
think,
there's
also
room
to
to
check
a
lot
of
these
boxes
with
another
outward-facing
project,
I.e
a
a
hot
springs,
resort
or
or
greenhouses
for
year-round
food
production
or
or
large-scale
sidewalk
snowmelt
systems.
G
Fun
challenges
I
mean
really
we're
rather
we're
at
that
point
where
we
need
to
either
decrease
our
expenses
or
increase
our
revenues
and
with
a
budget
of
about
700
000,
you
know
some
would
argue,
there's
always
fat
to
trim
but
we're
we're
kind
of
at
that
point
where
the
trap,
the
fat's
already
been
trimmed
this
whole
geo
program.
It's
there's
one
full-time
employee,
you're.
Looking
at
him,
we
we
use
internal
city
utility
construction
crews
to
do
our
repair
and
maintenance
and
upgrades
to
keep
costs
down.
G
We
we
rarely
outsource
or
contract
out
any
of
our
professional
services
just
simply
due
to
the
cost
of
hiring
consultants,
we're
continuously
reviewing
and
scrutinizing
our
budgets
and
sometimes
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
toward
to
the
end
of
the
year,
so
so
decreasing
our
expenses.
G
G
G
We
also
want
to
start
looking
at
different,
diverse
fine
uses
of
this
water.
I
mean
right
now:
it's
all
used
in
that
three
month
period.
It's
used
for
heating
purposes
only,
but
but
this
low
temperature
geothermal
water
that
we're
using
it.
It
has
a
whole
plethora
of
uses
all
over
the
state.
All
over
the
country,
all
over
the
world
they're
using
low
temperature
water
for
for
different
industries
for
for
different
aquaculture
for
different
greenhouse
operations.
G
There
there's
definitely
opportunities
there
to
start
diversifying,
but
as
we'll
learn
as
we
go
through
this
and
in
subsequent
meetings,
every
single
one
of
these
has
is
just
layered
with
other
challenges,
and
so
that
that's
gonna,
be
that's
to
be.
Our
job
here
is
to
navigate
these
challenges
and-
and
you
know,
evaluate
what
what
our
best
business
case
is.
G
So
one
of
these
challenges
that
that
hits
really
close
to
to
the
geothermal
utility
is
our
competition
or
comparison
with
natural
gas.
I
mean
a
as
a
developer
or
a
homeowner.
You
have
choices
on
the
way
you
heat
a
building
and
electricity
currently
is,
is
a
very
expensive
way
to
heat
it.
Natural
gas
right
now
is
a
very
cheap
way
to
heat
it.
G
So
every
time
natural
gas
is
a
rate
adjustment,
we
would
re-evaluate
our
rates
and
go
up
or
down
to
carry
this
30
cost
savings,
and
that
held
true.
All
the
way,
through
about
2005-2006
until
we
started
seeing
natural
gas
decline-
and
it's
been
here
for
the
last
15
years-
it
has
still
just
been
declining.
G
G
That
said,
that
said,
they
could
save
money
using
natural
gas,
over
geothermal
and
being
a
big
piece
of
that
pie.
We
in
2013
we
did
a
nine
percent
rate
decrease
to
make
sure
we
didn't
lose
one
of
our
larger
customers
as
of
right
now
on
a
per
therm
on
a
per
btu
basis.
It's
basically
it's
about
30,
cheaper
to
be
using
natural
gas
than
geothermal.
G
I
mean
it's
basically,
how
much
energy
can
you
squeeze
out
of
this
gallon
of
water,
and
so,
if
you're
very
efficient
with
it,
you
can
squeeze
a
lot
of
energy
out
of
it.
You
can,
it
can
still
be
competitive
or
even
cost
savings
to
natural
gas,
but
on
average
the
amount
of
water
people
can
squeeze
out
of
this
or
the
amount
of
energy
that
people
can
squeeze
out
of.
This
is
about
50
degrees
of
heat,
and,
if
you
squeeze
that
50
degrees
of
heat
out
of
it,
natural
gas
is
30
percent
cheaper.
G
On
a
peak
on
a
btu
basis,
we've
got
a
couple
buildings
at
boise
state,
the
oahe
plaza
banner
bank
that
can
get
60
70
degrees
of
heat
off
each
gallon,
in
which
this
is
still
a
there's,
so
economic
benefit
for
them
to
use
geothermal,
but
the
the
idea
of
just.
Why
don't
we
increase
our
rates
if
we're
having
these
fun
challenges?
G
And-
and
you
know,
I
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
the
work,
especially
with
the
new
climate
action
plan
and
energy
goals
that
that
people
are
going
to
start
looking
at
natural
gas
and
looking
at
energies
that
use
carbon
differently
and
maybe
even
be
penalized
to
some
degree
to
do
so,
which
is
going
to
make
this
all
the
more
attractive.
But
again
today
is
about
where
we're
at
tomorrow
will
be
about
where
we're
going.
And
so
this
is.
This
is
where
we
are.
E
At
so,
this
is
actually
as
I'm
looking
at
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
staying
on
time.
This
is
actually
a
probably
pretty
good
stopping
point,
because
the
next
couple
of
slides
we're
kind
of
focused
on
the
plan
and
what
we'll
share
with
you
in
session
two.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
just
kind
of
stop
here
and
then
we'll
stay
on
schedule
and
then
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
topic,
do
you
want
to
see
if
there's
questions,
because
that
was
a
good
excuse
me.
E
Also
learned
that
was
a
good
summary
of
the
system,
so
maybe
stop
and
see.
If
the
the
commission
has
questions
on
kind
of
the
as
is
condition
and
then
the
next
slots
that
john
has
that
are
in
deck
today,
we'll
just
present
the
next
session
because
it
gets
into
the
need
for
plan.
What
are
some
of
the
vision
mission
values
we'll
show
we'll
share
those
with
you
ahead
of
time,
so
you
can
review
those
this
way.
We
can
make
sure
we
stay
on
schedule,
so
maybe
open
up
for
any
discussion.
A
Well,
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
commission
or
our
guests
from
city
council.
F
I
have
a
question
when
you
were
explaining
the
difference
between
natural
gas
and
geothermal
and
the
efficiency
that
was
it
the
amount
of
heat
per
the
amount
of
water.
I
would
assume
that
that
does
not
include
this
idea
of
what
it
takes
to
get
there
the
hookup.
So
when
you're
looking
at
it
you're
looking
at
a
building
ready
situation
right,
it's
not
any
of
the
preparation
to
get
to
that
point.
G
A
This
asset,
and
one
part
that
I
want
to
learn
more
about,
is
if
there
is,
if
there
exists
any
local
or
any
other
comparable
study
on
the
the
comparable
cost
of
geothermal
versus
natural
gas
or
other
resources,
including
externalities,
like
environmental
impact
over
time,
and
anything
like
that,.
H
You
commission
person
grabat,
yes,
so
you
had
mentioned
something
john
about
some
folks
using
it
to
melt
the
ice
or
the
snow
off
their
driveways
and
a
variety
of
things
there
and
I'm
thinking
about
you
know
my
driveway
at
home
that
I
shoveled
maybe
three
times
last
year.
G
Mr
commissioner,
visiting
council
member
that
that
that
that
is
something
that
we're
gonna
have
to
decide.
I
mean
that's
something
we
struggle
with
every
day
is
what
is
a
beneficial
use
of
this
resource
and
and
and
how
should
we
be
using
it
efficiently?
G
Let
me
tell
you
an
example
of
one:
that's
doing
it
is
the
wahi
plaza
yeah,
the
wahi
plaza
they
they
heat
the
entire
building
with
geothermal
and
then
after
they've
heated
it
after
they've
used
that
that
gallon
of
water
and
stripped
heat
off
at
once.
They
then
run
it
through
a
second
heat
exchanger,
where
they
preheat
all
of
their
domestic
water.
So
the
water
going
into
the
boiler
is
already
up
to
100
degrees.
Well,
this
is
already
happening
and
they
realize
they're
returning
water
to
me
at
about
120
degrees,
and
they
said
john.
G
G
So
so
now
this
one
customer
is
using
the
same
gallon
of
water
three
different
times,
and
and
so
we
we
were
inspired
by
that
approach
and
about
four
years
ago
we,
when
steve
and
neil
came
to
me
saying
we
want
to
develop
the
live
district.
We
want
to
use
geothermal
for
the
lib
district.
You
know
at
the
time
well
how
bigger
the
building
is
going
to
be.
G
You
know
what
kind
of
area
are
we
talking
about
and
nobody
was
quite
sure
how
it
was
going
to
develop
and
at
what
rate-
and
so
we
said
you
know
well
at
the
time
we
don't
even
have
water
rights
for
this.
We
can't
commit
this
entire
area,
but
right
there
we
have
an
injection
well,
and
so
what
we
did
is
we
built
new
pipelines
and
we
funneled
all
of
our
used
water
through
the
live
district.
G
That's
still
running
about
120
degrees
fahrenheit,
which
is
more
than
adequate
for
any
heat
pump
buildings,
and
so
so
now
here's
an
entire
district
that
we
can
commit
to
using
this
already
used
geothermal
water.
What's
steve,
I
think
coined
at
one
point
a
a
reclaimed
renewable
resource.
You
know
we
we've
already
used
it.
What
it's
already
been
pumped,
it's
already
been
used.
G
Maybe
not,
but
could
we
use
the
secondary
water
for
for
something
like
that
that
there's
not
a
huge
demand
in
boise
floor,
they're,
they're,
they're,
again
every
option
that
we're
going
to
present
to
you
it's
layered
with
with
challenges
on
both
sides
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
have
to
do
as
leaders
as
policy
makers
is
what
is
the
best
use
of
this?
Where
do
we
want
to
go
with
it?
What
do
we
consider
a
beneficial
use.
B
A
Awesome
and
I
had
written
down
a
similar
note
that
I
was
going
to
save
until
we
learned
more
about
those
but
looking
at
bringing
in
some
of
our
partners
our
roadway
partners,
potentially
for
some
public
safety
transportation
projects,
heating
areas
that
we
we
experience,
ice
more
often
than
snow,
and
if
we
can
target
some
areas
downtown
like
the
connector,
if
we
could
have
a
secondary
tertiary
water
used
to
melt
some
of
those.
Maybe
the
impacts
on
public
safety
would
be
worth
a
worth.
Exploring
a
partnership
with
those
folks.
A
E
Chair
gravatt,
thank
you
for
the
introduction
and
just
an
intro
for
haley
emerging
constituents
is
an
issue
that
came
up
well,
it's
been
an
issue
in
our
industry
for
a
long
time,
but
specifically
an
issue
that
came
up
with
certain
citizens
that
were
concerned
about.
You
know
emerging
constituents
and
haley's
going
to
get
into
the
details
of
that
as
part
of
the
passage
of
the
water
renewal
utility
plan
with
council
during
public
comment.
E
There
were
certain
comments
that
were
made
about
the
concerns
about
what
may
be
in
the
water
and
certainly
justifiable
comments,
and
so
we
were
given
direction
from
the
council
to
make
sure
that
we
are
one
actively
pursuing
studies
associated
with
emerging
constituents
and
two
then
presenting
that
information
and
kind
of
showing
how
it's
helping
us
make
decisions
moving
forward.
This
is
the
first
of
probably
multiple
presentations.
We're
going
to
give
you.
This
is
is
more
of
a
broader
overview
and
a
sharing
of
some
of
the
data
that
we've
been
uncovering.
I
All
right
been
told
the
mic
needs
to
be
close
chair.
Commissioners,
council
members.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
and
you
all
are
a
really
important
stakeholder
in
this
conversation
around
emerging
constituents
and
around
recycled
water.
So
I
want
to
start
a
little
bit
with
that
framing
and
then
certainly
have
some
places.
Where
we'll
be
asking
questions
of
you
today,
I
want
to
talk
just
again
about
that
recycled
water
background
and
then
a
little
deeper
dive
into
the
background
around
emerging
constituents
and
water.
I
I
Certainly
that
is
something
that
we've
talked
a
fair
amount
over
the
last
several
years,
the
future
and
what
what
is
in
the
utility
plan
is
really
kind
of
anchored
in
recycled
water
as
a
resource
new
capacity
in
our
system
being
focused
on
recycled
water
and,
of
course,
enhancing
the
health
and
uses
of
the
boise
river
and
those
two
things
emerging.
Constituents
are
really
important
topics
as
we
talk
forward
and
kind
of
move
into
those
spaces
and,
of
course,
kind
of
where
we're
headed.
I
We've
got
two
facilities
today
and
the
20
mile
south
farm
and
we're
headed
into
a
recycled
water
program
and
to
that
kind
of
anchoring
of
enhancing
the
river
and
a
third
facility
and
then
ultimately
a
fourth
facility,
and
we
want
to
do
that.
First
and
foremost,
with
this
lens
of
public
health
of
environmental
health
and
emerging
constituents
is
centered
to
some
of
that
conversation,
and
so,
but
before
we
get
into
that,
and
maybe
I've
pre-loaded
that
too
much.
I
But
that's
here,
we
are
it's
before
we
before
we
go
there,
even
though
that
was
the
framing
of
our
conversation
today,
I
want
to
maybe
start
with
what
excites
you
most
about
the
recycled
water
program
and
as
you're
thinking
about
that
recognizing
the
challenge
of
the
communication
in
this
topic.
How
how
would
you
consider
conveying
or
communicating
that
excitement
and
recycle
water
on
the
whole
to
our
community
as
we
move
forward.
A
F
You
don't
hear
very
many
communities
throughout
the
us
that
are
doing
it,
and
I
love
the
idea
that
we're
on
the
forefront
of
even
trying-
and
I
know
that
we're
gonna
when
I
talk
about
it
with
peers
that
I
don't
usually
get
a
good
reaction
right
away
and
I
already
try
to
start
mediating
the
conversation.
F
But
when
I
remind
them
of
scenarios
across
the
world
in
south
africa
and
what
we're
up
against
and
we're
near
desert,
then
they
start,
they
listen,
they
stop
talking
and
they
listen
to
them.
Yeah,
it's
listening
letting!
So
it's
that.
How
might
we
convey
it's
just
letting
them
event
yeah
and
then
just
trying
to
tell
them
about
what
we
would
be
trying
to
do
to
take
care
of
the
issues
that
they're
concerned
about
is
they
would
not
like
the
alternative
of
no
water.
A
While
we're
waiting,
I
suppose
I'll
jump
in
and
just
say
that
I
am
young
relative
to
the
average
age
in
the
room
and
in
the
meeting
and
looking
forward
to
my
future
in
the
city
in
this
community
having
being
able
to
plan
now
so
that
we
have
this
asset
sustainably
for
a
point
when,
hopefully,
I
can
retire
and
live
here
being
able
to
create
an
asset
that
we
can
rely
on
into
the
future.
A
It's
the
fundamental
element
of
life-
and
I
think,
what's
been
effective
for
me,
is
in
communicating
this
out
is
really
tying
it
to
that
future
plan
to
our
resiliency,
as
we
are
growing,
on
the
one
hand,
in
population
putting
strain
from
one
direction
on
this
asset
and
as
we
are
drying,
on
the
other
hand,
and
not
just
boise,
but
so
much
of
the
western
united
states
in
particular,
as
we
are
experiencing
these
dual
strains,
being
able
to
communicate
that
this
approach
that
we
are
taking
is
an
effective
way
to
meet.
I
Great
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
and
I
should
have
mentioned:
we've
got
two
folks
joining
us:
virtually
kate
harris
who's,
our
water
quality
program
manager,
whose
team
has
been
responsible
for
much
of
the
sampling
and
data
analysis
and
natalie
monroe,
who
is
our
water
renewal,
communications
manager
and
so
these
pieces
are,
are
important.
This
won't
be
the
last
time
we
ask
questions
like
these
or
want
to
hear
from
you
all.
It's
really
the
beginning
of
that
conversation,
and
so
maybe
one
more
question
for
you.
I
If
you
were
describing
to
a
neighbor,
your
peers,
a
community
member,
about
this
notion
of
recycled
water
and
aquifer
recharge,
what
questions
or
concerns
do
you
think
they
would
have,
and
we
can.
We
can
maybe
limit
this
to
a
few.
But
I
this
is.
This
is
important
because
back
to
the
listening
and
being
able
to
hear
those
concerns
and
then
adequately
address
them.
This
is
really
important.
A
Just
last
week,
I
was
out
at
the
city's
zoning
code
rewrite
meeting
out
in
northwest
boise
to
also
get
a
feel
for
how
folks
are
feeling
about
water
assets
in
the
area
and
the
number
one
concern
that
that
folks
keep
coming
back
with
is
the
quality
of
water,
especially
if
water
is
going
to
be
used
for
agricultural
uses
in
the
area
and
the
continued
availability
of
high
quality
water
to
sustain
their
the
lifestyle
that
they
they
currently
carry
out
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
any
other
commissioners
or
council.
A
Members
want
to
jump
in
commissioner
ellis
and.
F
I
Chair,
commissioner,
and
I'm
sure
folks
have
similar
messages.
That's
why
we're
talking
to
you
today
and
I
guess
with
that
in
mind,
there
will
be
another
set
of
questions
where
I
probably
go
too
far
into
the
weeds
and
then
we'll
really
be
looking
for
some
feedback
from
you
all
on
how
we
do
communicate
this
very
complicated
topic.
I
So
before
that,
I
want
to
just
jump
in
with
a
little
bit
of
information
of
what
are
we
talking
about.
When
we
talk
about
emerging
constituents,
they
are
found
in
most
waters
in
the
environment.
Not
we
are
not
limiting
this
conversation
to
to
water,
to
to
recycle
water
or
to
waste
water
they're
transmitted
in
a
variety
of
ways.
Certainly
when
we're
talking
about
pesticides
or
herbicides,
those
come
via
runoff
or
storm
water.
We
do
see
this,
of
course,
indirectly.
I
This
is
a
very
broad
phrase
that
comprises
a
lot
of
different
types
of
typically
unregulated
chemicals,
unregulated
in
the
water
system,
so
pharmaceuticals,
herbicides,
pesticides,
radionuclides
we've
got
a
variety
of
things,
and
it's
often
you
know
chemicals
are
being
created
faster
than
we
have
a
means
to
analyze
for
them
or
treat
for
them.
So
there
this
level
of
research
and
this
information
gathering
is
really
important
to
be
able
to
have
these
conversations
and
then
to
really
determine
a
path
forward.
I
I
think
if
we
take
just
a
quick
timeout,
we
are
not
starting
at
square
zero
on
this.
We
do
have
programs
in
place
today
that
impact
or
affect
kind
of
the
introduction
of
emerging
constituents
into
our
waterways,
and
so
just
briefly,
our
stormwater
best
management
practices
times
where
we
are
taking
that
storm
water
out
of
the
the
roadway
and
running
off
directly
into
the
boise
river,
and
we
have
things
like
green
storm
water
infrastructure,
we're
removing
that
kind
of
direct
input
into
the
water
system.
I
We
have
a
robust
pre-treatment
program
where
we're
required
to
regulate
what's
coming
to
us
from
significant
industrial
users,
so
we
can
measure
and
require
what
they're
sending
us
and
that's
really
a
preventative
way
of
doing
that.
That's
in
the
category
of
efficiency,
first
or
conservation.
This
way
it's
keeping
it
out
of
our
system
before
it
ever
comes
to
us
in
the
first
place,
and
our
household
hazardous
waste
program
is,
in
that
same
category,
where
we're
giving
folks
a
place.
To
put
these
anything
marked,
danger.
I
Hazard
toxic
should
not
be
going
down
the
track
or
in
the
trash
or
down
the
toilet
or
the
drain,
and
we
have
a
program
for
that
that
in
2019
collected
over
1.5
million
pounds
of
waste,
and
certainly
an
area
for
continued
investment
and
part
of
that
hhw
program
is
also
a
pharmaceutical,
take
back
program.
So
a
subset,
but
also
again,
a
really
important
place
for
us
to
divert
those
materials
from
our
system,
and
this
would
not
be
possible
without
continued
community
engagement
and
you'll.
I
I
I
This
is
a
topic
emerging
constituents
and
water
is
a
focus
of
national
research
that
we
can
really
leverage
and
learn
from
and
we're
being
proactive
in
this.
Certainly,
there
are
some
that
may
question
us
going
out
and
sampling
to
the
level
that
we
have,
but
it's
really
important,
that
we
have
actual
data
in
our
system
to
be
able
to
compare
to
this
national
research
and
determine
what
really
is
affecting
us
here
and
what
we
need
to
focus
on.
I
So
this
is
the
point
when
I
this.
I
try
not
to
have
notes
sometimes
with
this
one
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
get
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
here.
When
we
talk
about
risk
assessments
and
health
screening
levels,
how
do
we
take
what
could
be
kind
of
an
overwhelming
amount
of
data
we
test
for
303
chemicals
and
we
get
back
data
at
parts
per
trillion
levels?
And
how
do
we
talk
about
that
in
a
way
that
is
meaningful,
that
connects
to
the
community
and
is
tied
to
risk?
I
Because
just
just
because
we
can
measure,
it
doesn't
mean
it's
an
issue,
and
just
because
we
didn't
doesn't
doesn't
mean
that
it's
not,
and
we
need
a
pathway
for
that
and
so
most
compounds
that
we
have
to
measure
in
our
water.
Renewal
facilities
have
established
criteria,
water
quality
criteria
that
we're
measuring
against.
When
we
talk
about
these
emerging
constituents,
there
are
not
established
criteria
for
them.
I
There
are
not
water
quality
standards
or
health
standards,
maximum
contaminant
levels
on
the
drinking
water
side,
so
we're
having
to
go
towards
other
areas
of
research
as
a
comparison
point,
and
what
that
there's,
numerous
studies
that
have
established
human
health
criteria
or
human
health
kind
of
screening
levels
for
some
of
these
constituents.
That
can
be
a
starting
point
for
how
we
look
at
this.
I
So
with
that
really
long
intro.
One
of
these
is
the
margin
of
safety,
and
so
what
we're
looking
at
there
is
really
a
calculation
and
in
this
equation
on
the
top
of
it,
we
have
that
health
there's
a
type
of
health
screening
level
of
a
constituent,
that's
something
that
we're
pulling
from
research
or
other
work.
That's
been
done
and
we
divide
that
by
the
actual,
measured
concentration
that
we've
seen
now.
I
If
the
number
here
that
we
get
is
over
one,
we're
saying
that
you
know
it's
greater
than
one,
the
chemical
is
below
the
screening
level
and
has
can
be,
you
know,
looked
at
as
safe
and
what
safe
really
means
is
it's
less
likely
to
cause
adverse
health
impacts
based
on
the
information
that
we
have
in
existing
toxological
studies.
So
this
is
a
measure,
it's
a
number
that
we
can
use,
comparing
our
actual
data
to
kind
of
a
suite
of
information,
that's
out
there,
and
I
want
to
talk
through
a
couple
of
examples.
I
So
what
we're
going
to
show
here
in
this
table
is
the
list
of
chemicals,
the
description
kind
of
where
it
comes
from
and
then
that
middle
column
there
is
important.
That's
the
measured
kind
of
maximum
concentration
that
we
saw
in
our
data
in
nanograms
per
liter,
so
parts
per
trillion,
the
health
screening
level
and
that
margin
of
safety.
So
again
above
one,
is
considered
safe
by
one
metric
here.
I
A
really
important
reminder
before
I
put
these
numbers
up
here:
we're
kind
of
comparing
two
different
things
here,
because
typically
health
screening
levels
are
related
to
drinking
water
or
some
sort
of
potable
kind
of
use.
What
we're
comparing
is
secondary
treated
effluent,
so
the
qualities
are
not
the
same.
Even
our
recycled
water,
when
we
have
that
produced
for
any
of
the
uses
we've
talked
about,
will
have
additional
levels
of
treatment
than
what
we
have
today.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
important
caveat.
I
So
the
first
one
we'll
look
at
is
a
deet,
an
insect
repellent,
measured
in
our
lander
street
effluent
at
790
nanograms
per
liter,
compared
to
a
health
screening
level
of
200
000,
with
a
margin
of
safety
of
253.,
so
253
times
above
that
sort
of
middle
bar.
We
would
look
at
that
and
say:
okay,
we're
probably
like
reasonably
okay,
there
estrone,
which
is
a
form
of
estrogen,
measured
at
62
nanograms
per
liter,
compared
to
a
health
screening
level
of
320..
I
I
So
a
different
way
of
looking
at
this
margin
of
safety
is
really
comparing
it
to
exposure.
So
when
we
talk
about
recycled
water,
we're
we're
talking
about
how
are
folks
going
to
potentially
interface
with
that.
So
we
are
not
talking
about
potable
reuse,
so
we're
not
talking
about
drinking
it,
but
it
could
secondary
contact
through
like
irrigation.
If
you're
running
through
a
park,
that's
been
irrigated
and
you
have
contact
with
that
sprinkler
water.
That
is
a
way
that
you
may
be
exposed
to
that
water.
So
this
table,
I'm
going
to
point
you
to
two
areas.
I
This
is
a
similar
constituents
here,
the
top
one
is
17
beta,
estradiol,
so
a
different
form
of
estrogen.
What
we're
comparing
here
is
the
concentration
of
a
typical
exposure.
If
you
were
to
take
the
tylenol
example,
the
acetaminophen's,
the
best
one,
here's
one
extra
extra
strength,
tylenol
at
500
milligrams,
so
in
this
case
the
estradiol
at
0.5
milligrams.
That's
the
kind
of
single
typical
dose
of
ingestion
for
a
human.
I
So
this
is
not
with
our
data.
This
was
research
that
was
done
for
kind
of
different,
broader
purposes,
but
certainly
can
be
powerful,
two
different
ways
of
looking
at
it,
and
I
guess
I
want
to
pause
and
say
all
right:
we've
got
health
screening
levels
and
risk
assessments
trying
to
take
this
big
information
that
can
be
scary
down
to
something
that
we
can
communicate
with
constituents.
People
can
relate
to
caffeine,
deet
estradiol.
I
How
would
you
like
to
see
us
do
this
moving
forward?
What
is
what
resonates,
what
what
stood
out
here.
A
Members,
well,
what
stood
out
to
me
was
that
last
slide
how
long
you
would
need
to
be
exposed
to
different
uses
of
that
non-potable
water
to
receive
a
single
dose
as
a
really
effective
frame
of
reference.
For
these.
H
I
I
H
You
know
ramp
myself
right
up
there.
I
I
think
it
is
really
impactful
when
you
see
things
that
people
can
really
relate
to
that
they
do
on
a
regular
basis,
and
I
think
that
90
of
people
are
going
to
go
to
the
local
rite
aid
and
buy
bug
spray
and
spray
it
on
them
without
thinking
twice
about
it
and
not
even
consider
any
sort
of
safety
impacts
that
are
there.
H
But
then,
when
you
hear
about
it
being
in
water,
it's
really
terrifying,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
that
comparable
level
is
certainly
impactful
and
identifiable
that
we
just
do
it
without
even
thinking
and
caring,
so
that
that
you
know
was
impactful
to
me
because
I
put
on
bug
spray
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
I
think
I
had
some
that
had
no
d
in
it
and
then,
when
that
didn't
work,
I
used
them
to
add
a
little
bit
of
deed
in
it,
and
you
know
I'll
admit
to
it.
F
I
would
agree
the
amount
of
years
it
takes
is
hugely
impactful
and
the
deep
one
is
a
good
one,
because
you
know
often
hear
people
say.
Oh
you
know
you
got
to
get
the
you
got
to
get
the
good
stuff
that
actually
works
right,
and
so
it's
a
very
good
comparison
to
the
ibuprofen
one.
I
think
of
something
slightly
used.
That
seems,
you
know
pretty
innocuous
to
the
deed.
A
So
on
these
notes
as
well,
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
from
people
who
are
who
have
a
higher
base
level
of
knowledge
about
water
and
water
science
was
just
the
vol
these
stats,
but
across
a
volume
of
people,
and
I'm
that's
the
missing
angle
that
I
see
here.
I
can
see
the
jump
to
that
angle
because
it's
fairly
easy
to
multiply
1
times,
100,
000
or
whatever,
but
looking
on
mass,
what
might
be
some
of
the
different
framings
that
we
could
have
that
way.
A
Maybe
reverse
it
say
like
hey
in
all
of
our
water,
we
have
five
pills
of
acetaminophen
per
day
or
something
like
that
might
be
another
way
to
communicate
both
ways
for
people
who
are
approaching
from
those
two
different
angles.
I
Chair
another
one
that
we've
talked
about
is
so
particularly
and
and
of
course,
in
our
recycled
water
program
development.
We
are
not
currently
talking
about
irrigation,
but
they're
the
conversation
about
irrigation,
where
the
waters
may
be
going
kind
of
further
distribution.
Taking
that,
how
do
you
compare
sort
of
that
load
over
a
certain
area
to
something
else?
I
That's
tangible
and
has
an
area,
so
the
amount
of
pfas
on
a
hamburger
wrapper
from
the
fast
food
store
compared
to
the
amount
of
kind
of
lifetime
load
over
that
same
land
area
is
one
that
has
come
up
as
different
like
creating
something
very
tangible.
You
could
hold
that
isn't
in
nanograms
per
liter,
yeah
yeah.
I
You
so
I
I
do
want
to
share
what
it
is
that
we've
done
so
far
and
then
we'll
talk
about
where
we're
headed
and
when
you
can
expect
to
hear
from
us
again
on
this.
So
we
embarked
last
year
on
sampling
within
our
watershed,
and
you
can
see
this
lovely
picture
here.
Our
council
members
have
seen
this
photo
this
group
because
of
the
wide
range
of
emerging
constituents
that
we
sampled
had
to
go
caffeine-less
and
without
other
personal
care
products.
I
You
may
choose
to
use
every
day
and
then
go
out
four
times
over
the
course
of
a
year
in
full
suits
and
the
reason
for
that
is
quality
control.
We
don't
want
to
go,
collect
data
that
we
don't
then
want
to
stand
behind,
and
so,
if
you've
used,
if
you've
drank
coffee
or
you've
used
deodorant
or
some
other
product,
and
you
go
and
sample
that
could
contaminate
the
samples
at
these
very
low
levels.
We're
analyzing
for
so
that
team
deserves
really
a
tremendous
shout
out
the
purpose
of
what
why
we
did.
I
We
had
four
sampling
events.
We
wanted
to
capture
the
seasonality
of
how
water
is
used
in
our
area
so
may
july,
october
and
february
in
each
of
those
sampling
events.
So
in
may
of
2020
we
sampled
three
different
days
so
that
for
that
time
period
we
have
three
data
points:
a
representative
sample
set.
I
67
different
constituents
were
detected
at
least
one
time,
so
the
types
of
water
we
sampled,
the
boise
river
upstream
and
downstream
of
our
lander
street
facility,
an
irrigation
canal
and
an
irrigation
drain,
the
influent
and
effluent
of
lander
street
and
a
groundwater
sample.
So
we
wanted
again
to
show
how
and
where
are
we
seeing
emerging
constituents?
I
Preliminary
takeaways?
We
found
emerging
constituents
in
all
water
types,
and
that
is
not
a
surprise,
but
certainly
something
for
us
to
continue
to
look
at
over
time.
The
concentrations
were
kind
of
back
to
that
health
screening
level.
When
we
compared
our
results
in
the
secondary
effluent
to
available
drinking
water
health
screening
levels,
the
concentrations
were
lower,
we
are
comparable
to
other
utilities.
I'll
show
you
a
chart.
In
a
moment.
I
We
do
achieve
a
fair
amount
of
constituent
removal
already
for
some
of
these
emerging
constituents,
so
there
are
some
that
we
remove
greater
than
99
some
that
we're
seeing
partial
removal
and
some
that
we're
seeing
very
little
and
as
we
move
forward
with
recycled
water,
we'll
see
additional
treatment
processes
that
will
get
further
and
further
removal
for
these.
So
this
is
really
a
starting
point.
I
So
this
a
lot
of
information
here,
but
the
bars
that
you're
seeing
are
the
city
of
boise
data.
So
the
scale
here
is
again
nanograms
per
liter
parts
per
trillion
on
the
left
side,
some
of
those
constituents
across
the
bottom.
The
dots
are
showing
seven
other
utilities
and
what
their
secondary
effluent
concentrations
are.
So
the
purpose
here
is
to
say
we
are
similar
to
what
you
would
expect
in
other
utilities,
one
notable
exception.
I
But
we
want
to
understand
the
purpose
again
of
the
sampling
is
to
see
something
like
that
and
then
dive
further
and
understand
it
more,
and
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
for
us
to
talk
about
is
pfas.
So
I'm
sure
that's
something
that
many
folks
have
heard
of.
This
is
a
suite
of
chemicals
per
and
poly
floral
alcohol
substances
they're
referred
to
as
forever
chemicals.
I
They
come
in
a
wide
kind
of
variety
of
different
chains
of
these
substances
and
they
they
do
not
degrade
and
they
they
are
around
forever
and
so
something
that's
certainly
of
concern
and
that
we
are
watching
so
again
a
lot
of
information
on
this
slide,
but
of
the
18
different
pfas
chemicals
that
we
sampled
10
of
them,
were
non-detect
in
all
influent
and
effluent
samples.
So
that's
a
good
starting
point
of
the
12
different
samples
that
we
took
the
the
graph
here.
The
red
bar
shows
the
current
epa
drinking
water,
health
advisory
level.
I
So
again
we're
kind
of
picking
and
choosing
or
having
to
mismatch
between
drinking
water
and
wastewater.
That
health
advisory
level
is
based
on
two
liters
of
water
consumed
every
day.
For
the
course
of
a
lifetime,
so
it's
set
at
that
conservative
sort
of
level
for
people
drinking
water.
What
we
have
is
not
drinking
water,
secondary,
treated
water,
that's
going
to
the
boise
river,
but
our
numbers
are
are
far
lower
than
what
that
is
showing.
So
a
good
starting
point,
certainly
something
we
will.
I
We
will
track
this
health
advisory
is
for
the
pfas
and
pfoa
over
here.
So
we
are
less
than
10
parts
per
trillion
right
now.
Compared
to
that,
certainly
we
are
seeing
regulations
in
different
parts
of
the
country
and
a
fair
amount
of
activity
at
the
federal
level
on
on
these
regulations,
and
so
important
for
us
to
have
the
data
on
this
topic.
Particularly
deq,
has
received
funding
and
is
doing
a
statewide
screening
as
well
for
pfas
in
drinking
water
and
wastewater
systems
around
the
state.
F
I
I
So,
where
we
headed
continued
community
education,
as
you
I'm
sure
heard
tonight,
this
is
not
a
straightforward
topic
for
us
to
be
talking
about.
We'll
continue
on
the
components
the
pre-treatment
and
household
hazardous
waste
right
now.
What
we're
doing
with
this
existing
body
of
work
is
summarizing
it
and
trying
to
understand
what
it
is
that
we
have
where
we,
where
we
took
12
samples,
and
only
one
of
them
was
a
detection
and
we
had
11
non-detects.
What
do
we?
What
do
we
do
with
that?
I
How
does
that
become
a
priority
for
us
to
consider
moving
forward,
but
then
we'll
continue
refine
what
it
is
that
we
sample
maybe
go
from
303
down
to
some
other
representative
body
of
constituents
we
look
at,
but
then
we're
really
headed
towards
kind
of
the
next
wave
of
research.
So
we've
contracted
with
the
national
water
research
institute,
they're
a
non-profit,
focused
on
very
aptly
water
research,
so
what
they
will
do
is
bring
together
a
panel
of
national
experts
to
really
help
inform
us
at
the
very
beginning
of
this
recycle
water
program
development.
I
Here's
the
concerns
of
the
community
and
comes
back
with
this
third
party
report
that
says:
here's
what
we
heard
these
things
go
forth
and
continue,
and
these
are
the
things
we
really
need
you
to
focus
on
and
we'll
expect
to
report
back
to
them
on
kind
of
as
we
go
in
this
process.
So
this
will
be
a
really
foundational
piece
in
our
program
development.
We
are
waiting
on
the
finalization
of
one
of
these
members
before
we
can
determine
a
date.
I
We
are
aiming
for
an
august
date
and
in
the
meantime,
the
community
education
leading
up
to
that.
So
we
don't
come
in
cold
with
this
scientific
panel,
but
we
spend
some
time
with
our
community
up
to
that
talking
about
what
is
recycled
water.
And
how
are
we
talking
about
this?
So
we've
got
some
level
of
kind
of
baseline
education
and
understanding
before
that
panel
hits
in
in
august.
A
F
Thank
you.
I
think
this
falls
under
this
answering
this
question,
so
you
just
showed
the
non-profit
is
nwri.
Is
that
right?
I'm
so
curious?
I
mean
you
guys
are
on
the
forefront
from
my
perception
not
having
too
much
background
on
this.
So
I'm
thinking
has
nwri
been
approached
by
other
cities
like.
Is
there
anybody
you
guys
get
to
talk
to
that
are
willing
to
share
the
information
of
what
their
city
is
going
through
or
on
your
own.
I
Commissioner,
I
think
that
is
that
is
true
in
a
lot
of
ways
in
idaho,
but
certainly
there
are
areas
of
states,
nevada,
texas,
california,
arizona
who
are
out
in
front
of
us
on
asking
some
of
these
questions
and
have
different
constraints.
A
fair
amount
of
focus
right
now
is
on
potable
reuse
and
direct
portable
use,
which
is
not
the
set
of
questions.
I
We're
asking
we're
sort
of
in
this
in-between
space
of
kind
of
post,
the
agricultural
reuse
that's
been
going
on
for
decades
and
not
quite
going
all
the
way
to
potable
and
so
there.
But
there
is
a
lot
of
this
national
expertise
that
we
can
pull
from.
I
So
I
can't
remember
who
all
we've
we've
talked
about,
but
folks
who
have
helped
build
some
of
these
big
recycled
water
programs,
but
that
are
or
inform
them
from
both
the
university
level
kind
of
researchers
and
research
groups
that
exist
at
public
utilities,
so
that's
kind
of
who
we're
targeting
for
the
panelists.
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Okay,.
A
Hearing
none,
I
would
encourage
us
to
stay
in
touch
with
both
me
and
with
our
contacts
over
at
the
city.
If
you
do
have
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
this
process,
I'm
excited
to
see
how
we
move
forward,
especially
with
the
community
engagement
component.
So
thank
you
very
much.
J
I
am
having
a
little
bit
of
difficulty
finishing
my
screen
or
sharing
my
screen,
so
I
may
need
to
connect
with
aj
very
quickly
if
we
can
take
just
a
brief,
maybe
three
minute
break.
A
E
I'm
sorry
chair,
I
have
access
married
to
what
I
think
are
your
slides.
Do
you
know
if
you
save
those
in
the
folder.
J
E
I
think
I
have
it,
so
let
me
pull
it
up
and
you
tell
me
if
this
is
looking
the
part
and
I
can
just
advance
the
slides
for
you.
A
J
Thank
you,
chair
and
other
commissioners
just
to
give
a
brief
overview.
This
actually
is
going
to
be
a
legal
training
in
two
parts.
The
first
we're
just
talking
about
the
public
works
commission
authority,
sort
of
where
it
comes
from
the
scope
of
decision
making
and
guidance
that
the
public
works
commission
will
provide
and
then
review
some
parliamentary
procedures
in
part
two
which
will
be
on
another
day.
J
We
will
be
covering
sort
of
more
procedure
and
procedural
due
process
for
decision
making
when
it
comes
to
more
individual
applications
or
appeals
that
rarely
come
before
the
public
works
commission,
but
nonetheless
we
want
to
provide
that
sort
of
background
and
training
before
we
have
that
issue
arise
so
for
today.
Yes,
part
one
we're
looking
at
the
public
works
authority
and
we'll
start
there.
J
So
there
are
various
aspects
of
where
the
public
works
authority
comes
from.
It
starts
with
the
idaho
constitution.
J
From
there.
We
then
have
statutory
authority
that
enumerates
a
list
of
powers
that
the
public
works,
commission
or
public
works
department
can
exercise,
and
this
is
a
non-exhaustive
list
of
powers.
But
essentially
cities
are
authorized
to
develop
domestic
water
systems,
including
geothermal
utility
systems,
sewer
systems,
solid
waste
disposal
and
then
in
a
separate
division.
We
have
the
authority
to
create
commissions
to
help
us
do
that
governing
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
from
there
as
we
have
developed
or
through
our
city
government,
the
public
works
commission.
There
are
various
roles
and
responsibilities
that
our
city
government
has
delegated.
J
It
starts
primarily
with
the
the
development
and
establishment
of
the
public's
works
commission,
which
is
to
ensure
safe,
healthy
livable
community,
to
advise
the
public
works
department
staff,
make
recommendations
to
mayor
and
city
council
and
deciding
appeals
of
particular
public
works
department
actions
in
terms
of
outlining
the
duties
and
responsibilities.
J
Additionally,
any
public
services
that
we
provide
hearing
appeals
of
public
works
staff
actions.
Those
are
the
decisions
we're
talking
about
reviewing
in
part
two
that
are
rare,
but
do
come
before
this
commission
and
helping
make
recommendations
to
city
council
support
our
public
education
and
just
generally
provide
a
good
sounding
board
and
advice
to
our
public
works
department
as
we
move
and
grow
next
slide.
Please.
J
I
believe
that
this
powerpoint
was
sent
out,
maybe
about
a
month
or
so
ago,
so
you
may
have
had
an
opportunity
to
review
it
already,
but
we
wanted
to
nonetheless
go
over
this,
so
you
had
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
if
anything
came
up
next
slide.
Please.
J
So,
starting
with
the
role
of
the
chair
and
again,
congratulations,
chair
gervais,
it
is
the
role
of
the
chair
to
maintain
order
and
decorum,
essentially
call
the
role
of
the
business
announce.
The
order
any
address
to
other
commissioners
or
to
staff
is
goes
through.
The
chair
first,
who
names
who
is
to
speak
for
it's,
and
it's
when
that
we
address
the
chair
in
third
person,
both
personally
and
by
acknowledging
members.
You
know
the
chair
rules
that
your
chair
recognizes
that
or
addressing
members
by
title
or
position
of
the
chair
asks.
J
You
know,
members
such
and
such
too,
you
know
on
and
on
the
reason
we
do,
that,
just
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
is
not
just
for
formality,
but
where
decisions
are
making
are
being
made
and
people
are
weighing
in
it
keeps
it
more
objective
in
terms
of
these
are
intelligent
folks
weighing
in
on
debate,
rather
than
making
it
personalized
to
a
particular
commissioner,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
thinking
behind
addressing
folks
in
third
person
or
with
that
type
of
formality.
J
J
J
If
you
are
addressing
another
commissioner's
comments,
it's
again
identify
that
other
member
by
title
and
name
rather
than
using
the
term
you
or
I,
and
it's
useful
to
identify
if
you
have
intended
follow-up.
So
I
we
gave
a
couple
of
examples
there,
but
if
you
can
say
chair
gravat,
I
have
three
questions.
I'd
like
to
ask
of
staff.
It
gives
the
chair
a
sense
of
how
much
of
the
floor
and
opportunity
you
would
like
to
speak,
or
if
you
have
a
question,
that's
prompted
by
something
that
has
been
spoken
by
staff
for
clarification.
J
That's
given
then
asking
the
chair.
May
I
ask
a
follow-up
question
if
you've
gotten
that
permission
to
ask
two
or
three
questions
right
at
the
outset,
you
don't
have
to
ask
for
permission
in
between
each
of
those
questions.
You
just
go
ahead
and
ask
it's
only
where
you
haven't
indicated
that
ahead
of
time
and
you're
asking
for
additional
leave
to
speak,
that
you
would
address
the
chair
again.
J
Next
slide,
please
in
terms
of
having
commissioners
and
the
chair
present,
we
do
have
to
have
a
quorum,
which
is
four
members
of
this
commission
and
a
quorum
is
while
it's
not
necessary
unless
you
really
want
to
conduct
business
generally,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
use
to
have
a
meeting
where
we
have
not
met
quorum.
So,
for
example,
where
we
were
supposed
to
have
this
public
works
commission
work
session
last
month,
but
we
were
unable
to
meet
quorum.
J
It
is
more
sent,
it
makes
more
sense
and
it
is
more
objectively
reasonable
and
effective
for
us
to
conduct
meetings
when
we
do
have
a
quorum
even
where
no
action
is
recognized
or
necessary.
So
that's
why
we
did
reschedule
to
ensure
that
we
have
forum
and
that
you
know,
presence
at
the
meeting
as
a
commission
member
is
by
far
preferred
method
than
to
follow
up
for
recording
at
a
later
date,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
the
time
that
each
of
you
as
volunteers
gives
to
us.
J
So
we
want
to
ensure
we
are
using
your
time
efficiently
as
much
as
possible
in
in
those
scheduling
these
meetings
and
meeting
that
quorum
requirement
where
we
do
not
have
a
quorum.
You
know
we
cannot
take
or
cannot
take
any
action
or
conduct
business
and
then,
as
far
as
that
second
point,
that
just
says
that
no
final
action
can
be
taken
on
additions
to
the
agenda
or
things
added
to
the
meeting
at
that
time.
J
So
for
an
example
with
that
where
the
chair
was
elected
at
the
last
meeting,
because
there
was
not
an
item
noted
for
needing
to
elect
a
vice
of
new
vice
chair
that
had
to
wait
until
we'll
have
to
wait
until
the
following
meeting,
and
so
while
agenda
items
can
be
switched
around
or
agendas
can
be
amended
where
an
action
is
needed.
J
It
has
to
be
noticed
on
the
agenda
ahead
of
time,
where
it
needs
to
wait
until
the
following
meeting
for
final
action
kind
of
already
covered
that
third
point,
where
the
order
of
business
may
be
amended
and
then,
as
far
as
motions.
I
believe
this
commission
is
pretty
well
versed,
but
just
for
sake
of
review,
the
chair
may
call
for
a
motion.
J
J
Okay
and
then
for
voting,
if,
if
a
member
feels
a
commission
member
feels
that
they
are
have
a
conflict
with
a
particular
topic
that
is
being
discussed
or,
for
example,
if
they've
missed
the
prior
meeting
and
did
not
have
an
opportunity
to
or
wouldn't
know
whether
the
minutes
were
correct
or
not.
For
example,
an
abstention
from
a
vote
is
perfectly
fine
to
do
it.
J
It's
just
stated,
verbally
on
the
record
that
that
commissioner
abstains
from
from
a
vote
on
that
particular
item
again
a
reminder
that
the
chair
does
not
vote
except
to
break
a
tie
and,
generally
speaking,
for
many
of
the
motions
that
are
made
by
this
commission.
J
Just
a
general
simple
majority
vote
is
fine,
but
certain
items
should
require
a
roll
call
vote,
which
is
each
commission
or
being
called
by
name
and
stating
yay
or
nay,
and
that
would
be
for
establishing
forum
to
ensure
that
business
can
be
conducted
at
that
meeting
if
you're
passing
a
consent
agenda
or
for
quasi
judicial
decisions
and
I'll
step
back
and
touch
just
briefly
upon
the
consent
agenda.
That's
not
something!
J
This
public
works
commission
generally
uses
very
often,
but
where
there's
certain
items
that
can
be
sort
of
grouped
together
where
there
is
no
public
opposition
and
there's
not
really
a
procedural
due
process
issue
at
stake
that
you
can
put
all
of
those
items
together
on
a
consent,
agenda
and
vote
all
as
one
group
for
or
against
that's
just
sort
of
an
aside
to
be
aware
of
what
it
is.
If
that
were
to
come
up
where
the
commission
were
going
to
use
a
consent
agenda,
we
would
certainly
go
over
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
J
And
then
the
third
is
the
quasi-judicial
decisions.
That
is,
where
you're
sitting,
in
a
capacity
as
a
commission
to
deliberate
on
a
particular
application
or
item
for
a
property
owner,
for
example,
appealing
sewer
connection
fee.
That
would
be
you
sitting
in
a
you,
as
the
commissioners
sitting
in
a
quasi-judicial
capacity,
a
couple
of
other
things,
just
as
a
very
quick
reminder
terms
of
meeting
procedure
that
you
can
also
ask.
J
A
point
of
information
is
more
about
substance
rather
than
procedure,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
the
distinction
between
those
two
things
and
on
a
point
of
information
again,
you
can
just
ask
for
a
point
of
information
from
the
chair
and
usually
that's
a
clarification
on
the
substance
of
some
presentation
or
matter.
J
J
J
Please
all
right,
I
don't
see
where
the
slide
has
changed,
but
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
keep
talking
so
essentially
thank
you
there.
It
is
much
appreciated,
so
legal
really
plays
a
couple
of
different
roles
and
at
least
with
the
public
works
commission
delineating,
mostly
between
at
meetings
and
outside
of
meetings,
so
kind
of
again
that
distinction
between
procedure
and
substance.
J
If
there
are
questions
on
how
to
frame
a
motion
or
whether
or
not
we
can
take
an
action
item
or
questions
on,
how
do
we
table
this
or
how
do
we
reframe
emotion,
amend
the
motion
kind
of
a
thing?
Those
are
the
questions
that
legal
is
there
to
be
able
to
respond
and
ask
to
at
a
meeting
outside
of
meetings
or
where
there
is
questions
that
are
more.
J
Regarding
the
substance
of
the
subject
matter
that
is
being
discussed,
we
can,
if
those
are
asked
during
a
meeting,
you
may
find
you
get
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
response
or
it
will.
We
will
put
that
back
on
to
the
commission
of
saying
here
are
some
of
the
interpretations
of
ways
you
could
look
at
this
particular
provision,
but
at
the
meeting
we
are
really
that
supporting
role
and
the
commission
is
there
with
the
authority
to
make
this
substantive
call.
J
You
know
I've
seen
this
entity
interpret
this
this
way
and
the
city
is
interpreting
this
way,
which
one
is
correct
or
does
this
particular
agency
report
have
our
bind
our
decision
or
how
we
do
our
rate
structure
or
our
fees
in
some
particular
sense,
or
how
does
this
new
case
that
came
out
affect
our
ability
to
collect
solid
waste?
I
mean
these
are
all
just
arbitrary
sort
of
off
the
cup.
J
J
Thank
you.
I
just
lost
connection
very
briefly,
but
where
we
have
the
ability
to
really
hone
in
on
the
issue,
do
the
appropriate
research
and
have
discussions
about
what
question
you
would
like
to
have
answered
it's
much
easier
for
us
to
support
that
outside
of
a
meeting
next
slide.
J
Please
all
right
so
where
you
do
have
any
of
those
substantive
questions
if
possible.
Please
contact
us
in
advance
we're
in
constant
communication
with
staff.
We
attend
most
of
the
managerial
level
meetings
or
or
have
invites
to
those,
and
that's
where
we
can
provide
a
memorandum
or
have
a
you
know.
J
Invite
the
commissioner
with
the
question
in
for
a
discussion
on
that
particular
topic,
and-
and
this
is
just
sort
of
a
reminder
that,
where
there
are
issues
that
can
be
complex
with
no
clear
answers,
that
is
where
we
all
play
different
components
in
doing
the
best
we
can
within
the
interests
of
the
city,
where
staff
has
a
lot
of
the
expertise.
The
commission
has
the
expertise
and
objectivity
to
review
and
legal
can
maybe
look
at
it
with
the
lens
of
what
the
judiciary
has
decided
or
how
other
statutory
interpretations
may
inform
this.
J
We
are
not
don't
act
as
the
super
department
and
where
the
authority
has
been
vested
in
the
public
works
department
and
in
the
public
works
commission
to
make
those
decisions,
authorizations
and
recommendations
where
we're
really
there
just
to
provide
interpretation,
opinion
and
support
for
how
best
you
all
want
to
carry
out
the
the
missions
and
the
agendas
that
and
the
great
work
that
you
all
do,
and
I
believe
that
is
our
last
slide
for
this
evening.
J
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
one
more
next
slide,
please!
This
will
be
the
last
one.
This
is
just
a
reminder
that,
where
you
do
ask
a
substantive
question
or
where
there
is
a
little
bit
of
an
aside
discussion
off
of
the
record,
so
to
speak,
that
you
are
covered
by
attorney-client
privilege,
both
as
a
whole
as
the
commission
and
if
I
have
an
individual
conversation
of
just
asking
for
a
particular
motion.
That
also
is
protected
by
attorney
privilege.
J
Even
if
the
whole
commission
is
not
present,
and
so
where
you
have
received
attorney-client
advice,
whether
that's
through
a
memorandum
or
some
impromptu
discussions,
or
if
the
chair
or
acting
chair
steps
over
to
the
table
of
legal
and
asks
how
to
do
x,
y
or
z,
or
has
a
clarifying
question
that
those
are
all
protected
communications,
reminding
you
that
if
you
as
a
commission
or
a
commissioner
as
a
chair,
disclose
that
on
the
record,
it
can
be
a
waiver
of
that
privilege
and
also
that
this
again
kind
of
comes
back
to
what
I
was
speaking
of
just
a
moment
ago,
that
really
the
public
works.
J
Commission's
decisions
stand
on
their
own.
So
there's
no
need
to
invoke
sort
of
that
attorney
advice
and
say
well.
My
attorney
said
such
and
such
or
based
on
city
legal,
we're
interpreting
the
statute.
This
way
that
really
you
as
the
commissioners
have
that
authority
and
are
vested
with
it
so
just
skip
that
invocation
altogether
and
say.
I
conclude
that
or
you
know,
I
believe
the
commission's
reasonable
interpretation
of
this
statute
should
be
and
move
forward
from
there
and
again,
where
we
are
a
body.
J
A
commission
as
a
body
of
ensuring
that
not
unduly
waiving
attorney
client
privilege
unless
it
is
necessary,
and
I
believe
that
wraps
up
what
we
would
like
to
cover
for
today
and
I
would
just
open
the
floor
for
any
brief
questions
or
clarifications.
J
Well,
fantastic,
and
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
graciously,
I'm
very
grateful
to
you
for
having
us
switched
around
some
of
the
agenda
items
to
make
this
possible
so
appreciate.
F
J
A
Awesome-
and
I
do
have
a
request
of
the
commission
in
considering
how
we
move
forward
in
addressing
our
commissioners
and
our
chairs
moving
forward
in
our
meetings.
I
would
ask
that
we
all
default
to
sort
of
gender-neutral
addresses
until
we
receive
clarification
from
the
individual
commissioner
or
the
individual
chair
just
in
the
air
of
inclusivity.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
feels
feels
welcomed
to
participate
and
lead
in
all
of
our
meetings.
E
Chair
gravel,
I
think
we've
we've
put
you
through
the
ringer
with
some
pretty
dense
topics.
I
think
we're
we're
good
for
tonight.
Thank
you.
A
Awesome
well,
thank
you
with
that.
Is
there
anything
else
from
the
commission.
F
Jericho,
I
just
wanted
to
apologize
for
all
the
times
I've
messed
up
already
before
and
listening
to
the
rules.
I
could
see
how
many
times
I've
stepped
forward
so
and
also
I'm
really
glad
you
talked
about
the
inclusivity,
because
I,
when
I
saw
the
madame
and
sir,
it
came
to
my
mind
too.
So
thank
you
for
mentioning
it.