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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 4:00 PM MDT
A
Hello,
everybody
looks
like
we
are
all
here,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
call
this
meeting
of
the
public
works
commission
to
order
and
we
will
start
off
with
a
quick
roll
call.
So
if
you
are
here
please
let
me
know,
commissioner
ellis.
B
C
D
D
A
Awesome,
thank
you.
Everybody.
The
first
order
of
business
today
is,
and
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
regular
meeting
on
april
6th,
and
I
would
entertain
a
motion.
B
A
F
Chair
this
first,
these
first
two
items
are
going
to
be
covered
by
heather
buchanan,
our
chief
administrative
officer,
and
the
first
item
is
going
to
be
an
update
on
connection
fees
and
she's
going
to
get
into
the
details
of
what
those
are
and
why
the
changes
are
needed
and
what
the
actual
changes
are
so
heather.
I
will
turn
and
heather's
remote,
so
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
her
online.
G
G
All
right,
okay,
as
steve
mentioned,
I'm
gonna
discuss
connection
fees
today,
so
we'll
get
started
here.
So
the
kind
of
agenda
of
my
presentation
here
we'll
talk
briefly
about
what
a
connection
fee
is
we'll
touch
just
again
briefly
as
well
on
the
governing
case
law,
we'll
review
what
our
current
fees
are
talk
about,
what
our
proposed
updated
fees,
some
of
the
changes
in
the
structure
of
the
fees
and
answer
any
questions
the
commission
may
have
and
quickly
talk
next
steps.
G
So,
first
of
all,
you've
seen
this
before.
There
are
two
components
for
our
water
renewal
financial
needs.
We
have
operation
and
maintenance
and
capital
and
base
investment
so
for
operation
and
maintenance.
This
comprises
our
day-to-day
operations.
This
is
funded
using
our
monthly
service
charges,
interest
earnings
and
a
few
other
fees.
We've
got
croc
revenues
and
and
so
forth
in
there
as
well,
and
then
on
the
capital
investment
side.
This
is
for
building
our
new
facilities.
G
We
have
that
funded
using
connection
fees
and
also
there's
a
portion
of
our
monthly
service
fees
that
go
towards
that
as
well.
So
today,
we're
talking
about
that
connection
fees,
side
of
the
house
and
we'll
provide
more
detail
on
that
as
well.
It
looks
like
my
screen
is
funky,
okay.
So
what
is
a
connection
fee?
The
connection
fee
is
a
one-time
charge
for
new
customers
that
are
connecting
to
the
system,
so
the
fee
is
paid
at
that
time
that
they
connect
it's
proportional
to
their
estimated
usage.
G
So
we
do
a
calculation
of
what
the
usage
should
be
and
based
on
that
which
you'll
see
the
various
fees,
but
based
on
that
estimated
usage,
then
we
calculate
that
fee.
We
often
term
this
as
purchased
capacity
and
then,
if
a
customer
in
the
future
uses
more
capacity
than
they
purchased
originally
they
may
owe
additional
fees.
So
this
could
be
the
case.
We
do
this
quite
often
with
our
industrial
customers.
G
We
monitor
how
much
usage
they
use
each
month
and
if
they
happen
to
exceed
the
purchase
capacity
for
flow,
for
example,
they
may
owe
additional
flow
capacity,
so
we
can
assign
that
for
an
in
industrial
customer
based
on
the
flow
or
the
different
constituents
or
same
thing
for
a
restaurant
or
another
commercial
business.
So
the
connection
fee
is
charged
as
a
condition
of
service,
so
we
assume
that
when
a
customer
is
connecting,
they
must
pay
this
fee.
G
So
when
a
customer
builds
their
little
building
here,
they
connect
to
our
facility
and
they
buy
a
little
portion
of
that
reserve
capacity
and
again
it's
based
on
what
their
estimated
usage
will
be.
So
at
that
time
they
pay
a
connection
fee
and
then
after
they
pay
that
then
they'll
once
they
start
discharging
used
water
to
our
facility,
then
they'll
start
paying
their
monthly
operations
and
maintenance
fee.
G
So
when
we're
talking
about
governing
case
law,
we
utilize
what
is
called
the
buy-in
methodology,
which
means
that
we
utilize
a
fee
that
considers
reimbursement
of
the
city's
past
investment
or
also
our
existing
customers,
investment
into
the
system
that
was
made
to
serve
growth.
So
that
is
we're
recovering
that
portion
for
that
reserve
capacity
that
I
noted
in
that
prior
slide.
So
there's
a
couple
of
supreme
idaho
supreme
court
decisions
that
kind
of
limit
our
abilities
on
what
how
we
charge
this
fee.
G
The
first
one
was
1991-
and
this
is
referred
to
as
the
loomis
versus
haley
case
as
the
city
of
haley,
and
this
established
in
court
case
law,
the
buy-in
methodology
and
then
more
recently
there
was
a
case
in
2015
which
it
was
the
north,
idaho
building
contractors,
association
versus
the
city
of
hayden
and
the
building
contractors.
Association
at
this
time
had.
G
Decide
was
concerned
that
the
fee
that
the
city
of
hayden
was
charging
was
being
implemented
more
as
a
tax
rather
than
a
fee
for
connection,
and
it
also
was
concerning
that
the
way
their
fee
was
structured
was
not
based
on
prior
state
court
law.
So
that
was
really
important
so
based
on
those
two
court
cases,
then
it
establishes
what
our
connection
fee
needs
to
include,
which
we
must
include
the
full
replacement
cost
of
our
existing
assets.
G
And
then
we
reduce
that
by
any
depreciation
that
we
have
not
previously
funded
and
any
bond
principle.
So
those
last
two
items
are
very
important
so
for
depreciation,
the
city
of
boise
for
our
public
works
water,
renewal
assets.
We
do
fully
fund
appreciation
our
consultants
when
they
were
doing
our
cost
of
service
studies
and
our
connection
fee
studies
established
and
agreed
with
us
that
we
do
fully
fund
our
depreciation.
G
So
our
reduction
for
depreciation
is
essentially
zero,
so
we
still
put
in
the
formula
but
we're
subtracting
nothing
there
and
then
the
bond
principle.
Our
current
bond
principle
outstanding,
since
we
haven't
yet
issued
debt
in
a
very
long
time.
The
bond
principle
outstanding
is
also
a
very
small
reduction
once
we
start
issuing
bond
which
we're
working
on
that
right
now,
we'll
start
reducing
the
value
of
the
bond
principle.
That's
used
towards
funding
the
assets
that
were
constructing
so
then
our
current
connection
fee.
So
we'll
talk
briefly
about
the
single
family.
G
Multi-Family
and
they'll
also
talk
about
the
commercial
fees
as
well.
So
this
slide
shows
you
what
the
existing
single
and
multi-family
connection
fees
are:
they're,
separated
by
trunk
fees
and
treatment
fees.
So
under
the
trunk
fee,
category,
there's
single-family,
duplex,
condo,
townhouse,
mobile
home
park
and
multi-family
rates,
and
so
they're
all
a
derivative
of
the
single
family
which
we
consider
to
be
what's
called
a
single
family
dwelling
equivalent
and
then
the
others
are
a
derivative
of
that,
basically,
a
little
bit
of
a
reduction
for
those
other
fees.
G
So
a
single
family
currently
is
charged
at
1
540.,
a
duplex
is
815
and
then,
depending
on
a
condo,
townhouse
mobile
home
park
or
multi-family.
Those
are
based
on
a
per
unit
per
acre.
So,
assuming
a
little
bit
of
density
here,
it
goes
from
1540,
ranging
down
to
290
dollars,
based
on
the
number
of
units
per
acre
and
then
for
the
treatment
fees.
The
same
categories.
G
Essentially,
a
single
family
unit
would
be
charged
2035
dollars
a
duplex
one
thousand
six
hundred
fifteen
and
then
the
condo
townhouse
multifamily
would
range
down
from
one
thousand
six
hundred
fifteen
down
to
two
hundred
ninety
dollars.
G
So
one
thing
that's
important
to
hear
in
this
slide
to
note,
though
this
duplex
condo
townhouse,
multi
mobile
home
park
and
multifamily,
those
categories
will
be
changing
when
we
look
at
our
proposed
fees.
G
So
I'll
explain
that
when
we
get
to
the
proposed
section,
but
one
other
thing
to
note
here
that
the
total
for
a
single
family
when
a
person
comes
in
to
connect
their
fee
to
build
a
single
family
house
would
be
the
trunk
fee
of
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
forty
dollars,
plus
the
two
thousand
thirty
five
dollar
fee
for
a
total
of
three
thousand
five
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars.
G
Now,
if
we
look
at
the
current
connection
fees
for
commercial,
it
also
has
a
truck
fee
and
treatment
fees,
they're
defined
somewhat
differently.
A
trunk
fee
is
based
off
of
a
per
single
family
dwelling
equivalent.
So
again
it
goes
back
to
that
residential
equivalent.
We
kind
of
tie
everything
back
to
what
it
is
considered.
A
single
family
dwelling
equivalent
the
trunk
fiat
as
well
for
commercial
is
one
thousand
five
hundred
and
forty
dollars
and
then
for
the
treatment
fees.
G
There
are
two
rate
schedules,
what
we
call
a
three
rate
schedule
and
what
is
a
for
rate
schedule
and
the
differential.
There
is
basically
the
inclusion
of
ammonia,
which
is
the
last
item
on
that
list,
and
the
three
rate
schedule
does
not
include
ammonia
and
the
far
rate
schedule
does
include
ammonia,
so
it
just
depends
on
whether
or
not
a
customer
discharges
enough
ammonia
to
be
tripped
into
that
four
rate
schedule.
G
So,
for
example,
one
of
our
user,
our
large
users
that
does
discharge
ammonia
would
be
micron,
so
it's
a
technology
type
of
business
or
that's
may
utilize
that
some
of
our
food
producers
may
also
discharge
enough
ammonia.
That
we
would
consider
that
as
well,
so
the
fee
for
flow
would
be
measured
in
thousand
gallons
per
day
and
you
can
see
the
rate
for
the
three
or
the
four
rate.
It's
the
same,
then
for
bod,
it's
a
tss
and
ammonia.
G
Those
are
rates
are
all
assessed
per
pound
per
day
and
I
won't
go
through
each
of
the
rates
there.
You
can
see
them
on
the
screen
and
then
last
but
not
least,
for
the
fee
structure
is
an
equivalent
assessment
fee.
So
this
fee
is
recovering
the
cost
of
eight
inch
collection,
pipe
that
is
adjacent
to
properties.
So,
if
you
consider
a
piece
of
pipe
running
in
front
of
a
property,
this
is
collecting
the
value
of
the
eight
inch
size
of
that
pipe.
G
G
So
if
that's
the
case,
we
do
not
charge
the
fee
to
a
separate
individual
customer
coming
in
to
pay
that
fee,
as
the
developer
has
already
paid
for
that,
and
the
customer
will
be
paying
for
that
share
of
the
fee
when
they're
buying
their
lot
or
their
home
or
whatever
from
that
developer.
So
these
fees
are
implemented
based
on
the
size
of
the
lot.
So
it's
on
square
footage
basis
goes
from
six
thousand
square
feet
up
to
over
eighty
six
thousand
square
feet
of
the
lot
size.
G
So
for
a
six
thousand
square
foot
lot,
it
would
be
one
thousand
nine
hundred
and
eighty
and
then
up
to
the
86
000
square
foot
lot.
It
would
be
8
72.
G
So
now
we'll
look
at
our
proposed
fees,
so
just
kind
of
confirming
some
of
our
assumptions
here
when
we
are
implementing
the
changes,
we
made
sure
that
the
calculations
that
were
being
performed
comply
with
those
supreme
court
decisions
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
We
asset
all
of
our.
G
We
allocate
all
of
our
assets
based
on
updated
asset
allocation
methodologies,
so
we're
looking
now
at
allocating
our
assets
to
flow
bod,
tss,
ammonia
and
phosphorus
and,
as
noted
there
for
commercial
we're
going
to
be
transitioning
from
ammonia
over
to
total
nitrogen,
eventually
we'll
be
doing
that
over
the
next
three
years.
As
total
nitrogen,
better
captures,
all
types
of
nitrogen
that
are
being
sent
to
us
rather
than
ammonia
is
only
capturing
one
of
the
types
of
among
or
one
of
the
types
of
nitrogen.
That's
said
to
us.
G
I
don't
state
that
correctly
sorry
and
then
for
single-family
and
multi-family
rates
will
be
switching
from
those
categories.
I
showed
you
earlier.
The
condo
townhouse
duplex
multi-family,
we'll
be
switching
those
over
to
a
square
footage
basis
which
I'll
show
you
in
just
a
minute.
G
So
then,
if
we
look
at
how
the
fees
are
developed,
it's
pretty
simple.
The
fee
per
unit
is
just
a
simple
division.
We
take
the
sum
of
the
replacement
cost
of
the
assets
plus
those
adjustments
that
I
mentioned
divided
by
the
usable
capacity
of
that's
available.
So
we
take
to
determine
the
replacement
cost
of
assets.
We
allocate
each
asset
based
on
their
share
of
what
they
treat
to
flow
in
the
different
constituents.
G
G
Whereas
if
we
look
at
one
of
the
headworks
facilities,
it
is
fully
allocated
to
flow
and
none
of
the
constituents.
So
you
can
see
each
of
the
assets
we
go
through
the
asset
listing
and
allocate
each
of
them
depending
on
how
they
are
treating
the
different
either
flow
or
constituents,
and
then
the
amount
for
each
of
the
flow
and
each
of
the
constituents
is
totaled
across
all
of
the
assets.
G
So
for
our
proposed
connection
fees,
the
the
slide
shows
what
the
single
family
and
multi-family
residential
are
going
to
be.
So
we
were
when
we
were
looking
at
our
analysis.
We
looked
at
a
correlation
for
permits
issued
in
the
last,
I
believe,
three
years,
the
correlation
of
those
new
residential
properties,
water
usage
compared
to
their
square
footage,
to
determine
how
much
water
is
used
based
on
square
foot
and
that
allowed
us
to
break
down
within
these
square
footage
sizes.
The
square.
C
G
Sizes
are
also
aligned
with
the
city's
current
impact.
We
schedule
which
may
help
us
in
the
future
if
we
decide
to
go
down
the
route
of
adding
an
impact
fee,
but
the
square
footage
sizes
acknowledge
as
well
that
there
are
different
sizes
of
dwellings,
so
this
trades
off
the
difference
that
we
had
for
the
condo,
the
duplex
the
mobile
home
park.
Each
of
those
were
originally
developed
to
acknowledge
that
those
types
of
units
were
usually
of
a
smaller
size.
G
So
now,
if
we
look
at
homes
that
are
being
built,
often
a
townhouse
is
the
same
size
as
an
as
a
regular
single
family
house.
It's
just
connected
by
an
adjoining
wall,
so
there
was
no,
for
our
rate
purposes,
no
need
to
consider
them
based
on
those
named
categories.
It
made
more
sense
to
consider
based
on
the
square
footage
size
and
then
based
on
a
single
family
to
multi-family.
When
we
did
that
correlation
of
water
usage
to
square
footage.
There
is.
C
G
G
G
It's
also
still
charged
based
on
the
single
family
dwelling
equivalent,
so
it'll
be
2
224
and
then
the
treatment
fees
will
be
updated
for
flow
dod,
tss,
eventually
total
nitrogen
and
phosphorus
is
added
in
as
well,
so
the
ammonia
feed
will
be,
as
I
mentioned,
transitioned
over
to
total
nitrogen
eventually
so,
and
we
also
have
still
the
equivalent
assessment
fees
and
they
will
be
indexed
up
as
well.
The
range
the
square
footage
range
on
those
is
the
same
as
previous,
but
they're
being
indexed
based
on
the
cost
of
service
adjustments.
G
So
I'll
give
a
couple
of
examples
here.
So
a
single-family
residence,
so
we
just
took
a
category
a
2
250
square
foot
home.
So
the
existing
rate
that
I
mentioned
earlier
was
the
five
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars
based
on
having
the
trunk
and
treatment
fee
combined
and
now
for
a
two
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
square
foot
home.
The
updated
fee
would
be
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
dollars.
G
So
one
thing
to
note:
we
haven't
updated
our
connection
fee
since
2014,
if
we
would
have
been
updating
them
annually,
even
with
a
three
percent
annual
update.
I
believe
the
fee
would
have
been
ironically,
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
four
dollars,
so
pretty
would
have
been
pretty
close
to
what
we're
showing
here
for
the
single
family,
residential
and
then
a
multi-family,
so
we're
assuming
a
five-unit
facility
with
1
000
square
foot
units,
so
the
existing
fee
for
that
right
would
be
14.
G
Twenty
five
dollars
with
the
updated
fee
it'd
be
sixteen
thousand
eight
hundred
and
forty
five
dollars
and
then
last
but
not
least,
a
customer
impact
for
commercial,
so
that
we're
assuming
a
commercial
business
with
about
2,
500
gallons
per
day,
roughly
just
over
6
pounds
of
bod
daily
6
pounds
of
tss
and
0.6
pounds
of
ammonia
and
0.14
pounds
of
phosphorus.
G
So
that's
my
presentation
for
the
connection
fees.
Before
I
ask
for
a
motion
from
the
commission
you
I
need
to
answer
some
questions.
If
there
aren't
any.
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
heather.
Just
a
couple
questions.
The
percentage
increase
to
single-family
units
about
30
is
for
the
total,
the
combined
total
for
the
charges,
the
trunk
fee
and
the
service.
That
sounds
a
little
high.
I
realize
it's
been
eight
years
since
apparently
it's
been
eight
years
as
I
understand
it,
since
those
fees
have
been
increased.
Is
that
correct.
I
Okay,
have
you
had
an
opportunity
to
see
how
people
might
respond
to
that
kind
of
an
increase
number
one,
and
secondly,
are
these
fees
typically
billed
to
the
builder
of
the
houses
and
then
they
recover
those
costs
through
the
sale
of
the
property?
Once
it's
completed,.
G
Chair
commission,
member
crowley:
yes,
that's
correct:
if
a
builder
is
building
the
property
the
fee
will
be
charged
to
that
builder
and
then,
when
the
home
sells,
then
the
builder
recovers
that
through
the
sale
of
the
home,
so
if
you
consider
the
value
of
the
median
value
of
homes
right
now,
I
think
is,
if
I
remember
correctly,
about
575
000.
So
our
fee
is
less
than
one
percent
of
that.
I
Okay
and
what
what
percentage
of
the
recovery
it's
kind
of
a
net
cost?
As
I
understand
your
presentation,
you
do
include
or
take
into
consideration
the
accumulated
depreciation
reserves
and
calculating
your
your
revenue
requirement.
I
G
That
type
of
analysis-
I
guess
we've
looked
at
our
historical
costs
and
you
know
our
basis
indexes
then
to
current.
I
haven't
gone
back
for
you,
know
our
investment
in
the
last
year
into
our
system
and
looked
at
recovery
based
on
that,
but
the
fees
are
set
to
recover
the
investment
that
we
have
made.
I
guess
if
that
makes
sense.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
heather.
That's
all
the
questions
I
had
to
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you
awesome.
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
transition
from
the
treatment
fee
for
ammonia
to
the
new
metric
of
total
nitrogen.
A
G
Are
doing
that
over
the
next
three
years,
that's
correct
and
we
need
to
establish
a
baseline
level
for
each
of
our
different
users
of
what
total
nitrogen
is
so
we'll
be
doing
sampling
for
each
of
our
major
industrial
users,
especially
to
see
what
the
combination
of
total
nitrogen
is
for
them
over
that
period
of
time.
So
that
will
give
them
time
as
well
to
transition
into
that
basis
as
we
move
forward
and
then
also
for
our
unmonitored,
commercial
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
establish
that
number
for
each
of
our
different
business
classes
as
well.
G
So
we
know
what
the
ammonia
values
are
and
we've
been
charging
based
on
ammonia.
Currently,
so
during
that
three
year
period
will
gradually
transition
over
into
total
nitrogen.
So
by
the
end
of
the
three
years
that
will
be
our
basis.
J
A
J
Heather,
I
recall
a
conversation
a
couple
of
months
ago
that,
as
we,
you
know
drilled
in
and
got
deeper
into
how
the
fees
are
calculated.
We
felt
that
a
more
refined
calculation
would
actually
shift
some
of
the
fee
to
commercial
from
residential,
and
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
that
the
reason
that
the
commercial
increase,
or
the
proposed
commercial
increase,
as
we
see
on
this
slide,
is
so
much
greater
than
the
more
modest
amount
we
saw
on
the
residential
side?.
C
G
And
council
member
agent-
yes,
that
is
the
case,
so
our
customers
that
pay
based
on
the
different
constituents
they
are
seeing
a
bit
higher
increase.
J
Great
that
that
makes
sense,
and
then
my
second
question
is
maybe
it's
just
not
really
a
question,
but
we
have
this
more
refined
way
of
looking
at
the
residential
fees,
where
we
look
at
square
footage
instead
of
dwelling
type,
and
that
makes
sense.
J
J
We
look
at
square
footage
and
I
I
just
I
want
to
flag
that
as
a
something
that
that
feels
awkward,
because
we're
using
single
family
dwelling
equivalent
to
calculate
commercial,
we're
not
really
using
that
metric
on
the
residential
side
at
all,
and
it
probably
makes
sense-
and
it's
it's-
you
know
just
putting
air
on
that-
that
bit
of
oddness
I
saw.
G
Chair
council,
member
agent,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
within
the
residential
side
we
still
have
there's
a
established
level
of
what
a
single
family
dwelling
equivalent
is
there's
a
number
of
gallons
per
day
and
a
number
of
pounds
per
day
for
each
of
the
different
constituents.
G
So
we
still
can
calculate
what
a
residential
single
family
dwelling
equivalent
amount
would
be,
and
so
there
still
is
that
basis.
When
we
translate
that
over
into
commercial,
so
we
still
have
the
basis
and
you're
right.
It
does
maybe
feel
a
little
awkward
when
we're
displaying
our
fees
by
the
square
footage
and
there's
not
one
specifically
called
out
as
a
single
family
dwelling
equivalent.
We
still
can
calculate
back
to
that,
though,
based
on
the
rates
that
we've
established.
G
So
it
is
still
there
just
not
as
specifically
called
out
in
our
rate
schedule,
so
we
felt
a
little
awkward
as
well
when
we
were
displaying
the
fees.
So
I
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
there,
but
it
is
still
available
and
can
be
calculated.
J
Okay,
that's
great
really
in
full
candor
heather.
You
started
the
slides
with
two
court
opinions
where
cities
got
sued
because
people
were
mad
at
the
rates
and
then
I
was
thinking
well.
If
the
commercial
people
are
going
to
be
mad
and
we're
not
even
using
this
on
single
family,
maybe
we
should
think
about
it
and
the
answer
you'd
say
if
you
got
suitors,
no,
we
had
a
basis.
We
still
use
the
measurement
here.
It
is
so
that's
wonderful!
Thank
you.
A
D
Hither
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I'm
just
wondering
you,
you
know
again.
I
understand
why
you
know
if
you
haven't
increased
the
rate
in
so
long.
We
need
to
increase
it,
but
the
30
hack.
You
know
when
considering
the
cost
of
housing
right
now
and
inflation
is
there?
Is
there
a
way
to
ease
the
blow
of
that
by
maybe
phasing
it
over
two
or
three
years?
So
it's
a
10,
10
10
versus
kind
of
having
this
heavy
hit
all
at
once,.
C
Chair
commissioner,
member
colette,
I
think
for.
G
The
connection
fees
it's
slightly
different
than
the
operational
fees
phasing
it
in.
I
guess
we
would
maybe
stay
behind
and
I
guess
I
think
it
would
be
easier
to
transition
as
we're
doing
today,
rather
than
the
phasing
in
we
could
look
at.
We
could
consider
that.
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
better
answer
there,
the
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
cost
of
service
shifts
that
we
are
doing
on
the
operational
fees
where
we
are
shifting
over
time
and
everyone
was
paying
the
fees
at
once
in
that
transition.
G
D
F
And
sure
I'll
just
add
on
following
up
on
that
question.
Yes,
there
is
that
sense
that
you're
gonna
you're
potentially
impacting
housing
affordability,
but
the
flip
side
of
that
is
that
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
growth
is
paying
for
growth.
F
So
that's
the
balance
we're
trying
to
walk,
but
it's
a
it's
a
fair
point
and
we
thought
about
that
that
key
issue
on
affordability,
if
you
know
and
then,
as
we
start
looking
at
the
mean
home
cost
median
home
cost
and
the
percent
that
we
make
up
of
that,
it's
a
pretty
small
increase
relatively
speaking-
it's
still
an
increase.
We
definitely
appreciate
that.
But
then
the
flip
side
is
we're
trying
to
account
for
the
growth
paying
for
growth.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we're
trying
to
move
forward
with
that
new
fee.
J
Jacob,
I'm
sorry,
I
guess
I
have
one
more:
is
there
a
reason
that
we
use
an
eight
inch
standard
pipe
on
all
of
these,
like
I
assume
some
developments
require
a
12
inch
pipe
or
a
14
inch.
I
don't
know
what
size
they
come
in,
but
we
just
use
eight
inches
for
everything.
J
H
Commissioner,
councilmember
agent,
thank
you
for
the
question
we
use
the
minimum
size
that
you
can
do.
Any
sort
of
development
is
eight
inch,
so
we
use
that
as
a
standard,
but
in
the
cost,
as
you
pointed
out,
is
they
do
get
larger?
So
there
is
a
table
that
kind
of
allocates
the
cost
and
kind
of
looks
at
it
and
kind
of
distributes
that
cost
accordingly.
So
again,
minimum
size
8
inch
for
any
development.
H
J
Yeah,
maybe
I
misunderstood-
I,
I
took
a
note
here
that
says
we're
charging
for
certain
developments
or
certain
connections
just
based
on
the
square
area.
They
get
charged
for
an
eight
inch
pipe,
and
my
question
was,
I
guess
now.
My
question
is:
do
I
misunderstand
that
and
they
actually
get
charged
based
on
the
size
of
the
pipe
they're
actually
putting
in.
C
H
G
Agent,
so
the
equivalent
assessment
fee
is
assuming
the
eight
inch
pipe,
but
the
other
part
of
the
trunk
fee.
So
there's
a
trunk
fee
and
an
equivalent
assessment
fee,
the
trunk
fee
itself
considers
all
sizes
of
pipes,
so,
regardless
of
it,
starts
from
eight
inch
and
goes
up
to
our
largest
size
of
pipe.
So
all
of
that
those
varying
costs
are
included
in
the
trunk
fee.
G
The
equivalent
assessment
fee
is
just
for
an
eight
inch
pipe
and
not
a
eight
inch
equivalency,
basically
so
not
to
get
too
far
in
the
weeds
of
how
the
fees
are
calculated.
But
it
is
just
that
portion
of
the
fee
schedule
is
just
for
the
eight
inch
and
then
the
trunk
feed
captures
the
larger
sizes
of
pipe.
H
H
B
A
Awesome
I
I'll
just
say
that
I
do
look
forward
to
updates
on
the
transition
on
those
on
some
of
the
the
total
nitrogen
transition,
as
we
do
move
forward
all
right,
and
so
with
that
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
please
indicate
by
saying
aye
aye
any
oppose
the
same
sign
hearing
none
the
motion
carries.
F
G
You
so
chair,
commission
members,
I
briefed
you
a
few
months
ago
on
where
we
were
on
our
fiscal
22
bond
issuance.
You
already
know
that
we
held
the
bond
election
in
november,
passed
with
over
80
percent
approval.
G
What
it
does
is
allows
us
to
issue
up
to
570
million
dollars
of
bonds
over
the
next
10
years,
so
we're
planning
on
doing
our
market
issuance
bonds
in
two,
what
we
call
tranches,
so
there
will
be
one
in
fiscal
22
and
we're
anticipating
the
second
one
to
be
in
fiscal
year.
2024.
G
we're
also
working
on
our
with
the
loan
application,
so
that
should
be
submitted
here
in
the
next
month
month
and
a
half
to
get
to
the
epa.
So
that
would
be
the
other
portion
of
our
bonds
so
for
the
market,
issuance
bonds,
we're
anticipating
using
171
million
of
that
570
and
then
we're
expecting
with
you
to
take
up
399
million
of
the
570..
G
So
this
first
bond
issuance
for
water
renewal
sets
up
the
framework
that
we
will
utilize
going
forward.
So
we,
since
we
haven't,
issued
bonds
in
the
water
renewal
fund
in
decades,
we
have
to
start
with
a
basic
framework
and
redo
everything,
so
we
go
through
and
create
a
what's
called
a
master
bond
ordinance
and
that
was
approved
by
city
council
recently.
So
the
checklist
here
is
are
all
the
various
steps.
So
we
went
through
the
bond
authorization.
G
We
developed
that
master
bond
ordinance
and
also
what's
called
a
preliminary
official
statement,
and
that
preliminary
official
statement
basically
tells
a
market
investor
all
about
our
funds,
our
bond,
our
projects
that
are
included
in
the
bond,
all
the
various
details
about
the
water
renewal
services
and
the
bonds
that
we're
issuing.
So
we
do
that
official
statement.
We
determine
that
final
sizing
of
the
bond
which
we're
deciding
to
issue
80
million
dollars
of
bonds.
In
this
first
issuance
we
receive
ratings
by
our
rating
agencies.
G
We
received
last
week
the
review
from
moody's,
which
is
an
aa2
rating,
which
is
considered
excellent
for
our
for
a
water
renewal
bond
or
a
sewer
bond.
It's
considered
to
be
a
very
high
rating.
We
are
one
point
below
what
the
city's
overall
rating
is,
which
is
an
aa3
rating,
so
we
were
feeling
a
little
competitive
there
wanting
to
get
the
same
writing.
G
But
it's
typical
that
one
of
the
sub
funds
of
the
city
would
be
just
a
point
or
so
lower
than
the
overall
rating,
and
then
next
step
is
finalizing
the
master
bond
ordinance
and
the
preliminary
official
statement,
so
the
master
bond
ordinance
was
approved
by
city
council.
I
believe
on
may
17th,
if
I'm
remembering
the
date
correctly
and
then
that
preliminary
official
statement
will
be
posted
out
for
public
to
see
very
shortly.
G
I
believe
this
next
week,
so
investors
can
start
reading
that
and
evaluating
the
bond
itself
and
then
I
believe
in
two
weeks
we
will
be
doing
the
bond
pricing
so
there's
a
federal
reserve
announcement
for
interest
rates,
that's
coming
up
mid
month
and
so
we're
announcing
or
looking
for
our
bond
pricing
to
happen
right
after
that.
G
So,
rather
than
trying
to
get
our
bonds
priced
before
and
they're
being
questioned
about
what
that
interest
rate
adjustment
from
the
federal
agencies
might
be,
then
we're
waiting
till
after
that,
so
that
that's
known
and
won't
impact
the
rate
that
we
might
receive
on
our
bonds.
So
once
we
get
the
bond
pricing,
then
the
execution
of
that
pricing
agreement
will
happen
on
the
end
of
the
month
and
we're
anticipating
that
to
be
on
june
30th.
A
All
right
hearing-
none
thank
you,
heather.
We
will
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
the
materials
management,
2021
data
review
and
waste
analysis
report,
and
I
will
kick
it
over
to
staff.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
not
that
the
first
two
items
weren't
riveting,
but
the
this
one
in
particular
is
is
really
interesting.
I
think
you're
going
to
find
the
data
sets.
I
mean
we
did
going
through
it.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
fun
presentation
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
our
solid
waste
program
manager,
peter.
K
K
Hopefully,
everybody's
excited
to
talk
about
trash
today,
it's
gonna,
be
we
got
a
lot
of
data
for
you
and
we
really
appreciate
your
time.
C
F
K
I
think
we're
back
in
action
thanks
for
having
us,
commissioners,
chairman
and
council
member
of
agent,
as
I
said,
we're
going
to
be
talking
today
about
about
a
waste
our
waste
stream
here
in
the
city
of
boise.
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
analyzing
that,
and
we
also
did
a
recently
in
2021,
did
a
waste
analysis
report
where
we
dove
deep
into
what
exactly
the
people
in
the
city
of
boise
are
throwing
away.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
information.
K
K
So
our
objectives
today,
we
want
to
provide
a
general
overview
of
our
current
waste
streams.
So
that's
the
trash
recycling
also
composting.
K
After
that
we're
going
to
look
at
the
waste
stream
analysis
that
we
did
that
looks
in
detail
at
what
people
are
actually
throwing
away
in
the
trash.
So
we
can
look
at
that
and
see
what
other
opportunities
we
have
to
divert
material,
we're
going
to
report
on
some
of
our
successes
and
challenges
in
materials
management
and
also
discuss
some
future
diversion
initiatives
that
we're
looking
at
before
we
dive
into
that.
K
I
just
wanted
to
mention
you
know
we
have
all
these
different
programs
that
that
you're
familiar
with
whether
it's
regular
recycling,
glass,
glass,
recycling,
composting,
the
energy
bag,
also
a
household
hazardous
waste
and
we've
had
those
for
a
while,
but
they
tie
in
really
well
with
boise's
climate
action.
Road
map-
and
you
know
our
our
objectives
are
really
the
same.
K
We
we
want
to
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
that
we
create
here
in
the
city
as
a
whole,
and
we
want
to
find
different
and
innovative
ways
to
to
divert
those
to
reuse
them,
reuse,
the
materials
and
to
make
the
landfill
last
as
long
as
it
possibly
can.
So
just
wanted
to
mention
that
tie-in
and
you
know
we
do
work
with
the
climate
division
hand-in-hand.
K
Just
real
quick,
a
quick
timeline
for
some
of
our
major
programs.
You
know
we
started
commingled
recycling
in
2009
that
was
kind
of
when
we
started
calling
it
the
kerbet
program,
glass,
recycling,
two
different
times
there
in
2002
2012..
We
have
a
curbside
glass
program
and
also
a
drop-off
glass
program.
It's
really
great,
because
it's
recycled
locally
here
and
made
into
a
abrasive
product.
So
we're
really
proud
of
that.
K
Obviously,
our
composting
program
in
2017
great
program
program
that
diverts
the
most
material
in
the
city
right
now,
our
energy
bag
program
in
2018-
and
you
know
most
recently,
we
started
really
trying
to
look
at
reduce
and
reuse
our
reduce
and
reuse
program
and
figuring
out
ways
that
we
can
stop
the
material
from
coming
in
in
the
first
place,
because
we
know
that
that's
the
most
efficient
thing
to
do
and
the
best
for
the
environment.
K
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
for
a
couple
slides
one
of
my
new
staff
members,
gabe
brenner,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
gabe
and
catherine
here,
they're
both
new.
We
have
a
lot
of
new
staff
in
in
materials
management
and
they
did
such
great
work
on
this
analyzing
all
the
data
and
coming
up
with
some
of
these
graphs.
So
I
wanted
to
give
dave
the
opportunity
here
to
talk
about
a
few
of
them
and
then
I
will
be
back.
L
L
The
graph
I'd
like
for
you,
both
for
you
all
of
you
to
look
at
first,
is
the
graph
on
the
left,
which
shows
the
residential
material
trends
from
2015
to
2021
compared
to
the
city
of
boise's
population
growth
notated
by
that
dotted
line
which
we
received
from
compass
as
boise's
population
has
increased
over
the
past
seven
years.
Overall,
waste
tonnage
has
remained
steady
with
a
slight
increase
in
2020.
L
However,
the
composition
of
the
waste
stream
has
changed
over
time
yearly
trash
tonnage
notated
by
the
black
line.
There
has
decreased
from
about
88
000
tons
in
2015
to
approximately
65
000
tons
in
2021,
representing
an
approximate
30
percent
decrease
over
time
with
the
introduction
of
the
com.
Curbside
compost
program
in
2017
compost
is
notated
by
the
green
line
there.
L
L
L
L
L
The
commercial
lines
are
notated
by
the
dotted
lines
as
and
the
residential
is
the
solid
lines
you
can
see
that
commercial
does
not
have
a
dotted
green
line
as
there
is
no
commercial
compost
program
like
the
recycle
residential
recycling
stream,
commercial
recycling
tonnages
have
remained
steady
over
time.
Those
blue
lines
down
there
relatively
low,
however
residential
trash
tonnages,
are
generally
declining,
while
commercial
trash
tonnages
have
increased
2015
to
2016
plateaued
a
little
bit
in
2019
and
have
decreased
slightly
in
2020
and
2021.
L
One
thing
to
note
here
is
that
in
2021,
commercial
trash
commercial
trash
accounted
for
over
40
000
more
tons
per
year
than
residential
trash
presenting
another
opportunity
for
increased
engagement
with
our
business
community.
Here,
just
a
little
clarification
for
this
commission
residential
here
is
single-family
homes,
duplexes
and
triplexes.
L
They
have
that
compost.
Access,
commercial
is
really
everything
else.
It's
businesses,
multi-family
condos
apartments,
anything
that
has
four
or
more
residential
units.
We
consider
commercial.
L
L
L
One
of
the
items
I
wanted
to
point
your
attention
to
was
that
black
line
there
or
the
black
triangle-
that's
our
trash
or
contamination
rate,
while
11
contamination
rate
is
generally
considered
pretty
good
in
the
industry,
with
top-tier
cities
like
portland
having
a
9
to
10
contamination
rate.
Trash
contamination
is
still
the
third
largest
category
in
our
waste
in
our
recycling
stream.
L
So
again,
another
opportunity
for
engagement
with
our
citizens
and
our
business
community
and
getting
back
to
the
basics
of
what
goes
where
and
how
to
reduce
those
contaminants
from
going
into
the
blue
bin.
L
L
L
You
know
it
almost
looks
like
cardboard
is
just
taking
up
that
space,
where
paper
left
increasing
considerably
to
about
45
of
our
community
commodity
mix.
Here
in
2021.
L
Thank
you
again
for
giving
me
the
opportunity,
chair
and
commissioners
for
presenting
the
republic
services
monthly
data
for
you
and
now
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
peter
to
go
over
our
waste
stream
analysis
that
we
did
in
2021.
Thank
you.
F
Maybe
before
gabe
takes
up
any
questions
from
the
commission
before
peter
jumps
back
in.
B
K
Sure
yeah,
I
could
answer
that
question.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
ellis
and
chair.
K
We
wanted
to
look
back,
but
we
didn't
want
to
look
back
too
far
in
the
data
to
where
we're
not
looking
at
sort
of
modern
times
and
modern
data.
Also,
the
the
data
gets
a
little
fuzzier
back
the
longer
you
go,
not
quite
as
reliable,
so
we
didn't
want
to
go
too
far
back
and
you
know
we
wanted
to
compare
apples
to
apples
so
to
speak,
and
so
we
had
to
choose
something
we
didn't
want
to
go
too
far.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
more:
oh,
what
are
all
the
cities,
then
that
western
takes
in.
K
Sure
yeah
western
recycling
takes
in
all
the
cities
in
the
treasure
valley.
They
also
import
some
of
their
recycling
from
the
magic
valley.
K
The
magic
valley
materials
should
not
be
included
in
that
material
in
the
graphs
there,
but
it
is
all
of
the
all
of
the
communities
that
have
recycling
in
the
treasure
valley.
B
B
And
then
did
you
have
ideas
of
why
the
cardboard
went
up
and
paper
went
down.
I
have
ideas
that
come
to
mind
immediately,
but.
K
Exactly
that's
exactly
what
we
think.
Obviously
that's
just
you
know.
We
don't
have
necessarily
hard
data
to
back
that
up,
although
we
do
show
later
here
when
we
look
at
that
paper
stream.
Specifically,
we
show
how
much
newspaper
has
decreased,
and
you
know
the
the
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
like
you
stated
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
getting
materials
delivered
to
them,
whether
that's
groceries,
whether
that's
amazon
and
and
it
only
increased
during
the
covet
years,
and
so
you
know
cardboard
cardboard's
huge
and
it's
definitely
going
to
be.
K
One
of
our
focus
points
in
the
coming
years
is:
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
sure
we
get
that
cardboard
and
it's
being
recycled
because
as
you'll
see
here
in
the
next
couple,
slides
there's
there's
a
lot
of
cardboard
that
we
aren't
getting
for
various
reasons?
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair
question
I
had
was
regarding
the
11
trash
or
contaminated
portion
of
the
recycled
materials.
Is
there
any
breakdown
of
what
is
in
that
11?
Is
there
something
that's
more
prevalent
than
than
other
materials
that
might
be
contaminants
that
are
showing
up
in
the
recycling
bins.
K
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Crowley
chair.
That's
a
that's
a
great
question:
we
we
have
that
data,
it's
not.
We
don't
have
it
displayed
right
here.
I
do
know
that
in
talking
with
western
recycling
and
and
their
manager
there,
the
the
number
one
thing
that
they
don't
want
and
it
might
not
be
by
weight,
but
the
number
one
thing
that
causes
them
issues
in
the
recycling
stream
is
plastic
bags.
There's
a
variety
of
reasons
for
that.
A
lot
of
people
put
their
recycling
in
a
plastic
bag
which
we
don't
want.
K
We
want
it
to
be
loose
and
I
think
that's
an
opportunity
that
we
can.
You
know,
really
drive
that
home
to
people
and
one
of
the
reasons
the
plastic
bags
are
so
tough
for
western.
Is
they
get
caught
up
in
their
machinery?
That's
sorting
the
recycling
and
sometimes
causing
them
to
shut
that
down.
K
So
if
there's
one
thing
that
we
would
want
to
focus
on
there,
it
would
be
plastic
bags
and
we've
been
told
that
time
and
time
again
it
may
not
be
the
highest
weight.
Wise,
like
I
said,
that's
in
that
11,
but
it's
the
one
that
causes
the
most
issues
and
we're
happy
to
get
you
a
breakdown
of
that
11.
I
don't
have
that
right
on
me
at
the
time.
At
this
moment.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you,
that's
that's
very
helpful
and
I
was
noticing
that
the
the
little
poster
that's
on
top
of
the
recycling
bins-
and
I
I
haven't
looked
at
it
recently,
but
I
don't
recall
seeing
plastic
bags
specifically
mentioned
on
it
or
were
shown
on
it.
I
was
wondering
that
is
there
anything
that
can
be
done
to
try
and
and
reduce
that
11
percent.
K
Sure
we
definitely
want
to
focus
on
some
of
the
no's
as
well
as
what
can
go
in
the
the
bin,
because
what
we
find
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
you
know
sort
of
wish
for,
recycle
as
they
call
it
and
they're
like
well.
If
it
doesn't
say
this,
I'm
just
gonna,
I
kind
of
hope
that
we
can
recycle
it
and
they
put
it
in
there
so
calling
out
no
plastic
bags.
K
A
E
Other
question:
yes
go
ahead,
yes,
I
have
a
question
on
and
one
of
the
graphs
that
was
shown
is
show
2015
and
then
there
was
a
huge
spike
in
commercial
usage
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
there's
any
explanation
on
that,
if
you
don't
know
and
speculate,
that's
totally
fine
as
well,
but
I
was
just
wondering
why
there
was
such
a
dramatic
increase.
K
Thank
you
is
this
the
slide
you're
referring
to
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you.
We,
I
do
not
have
an
answer
to
that
question.
I'll
I'll
be
honest.
I
mean
it.
K
It
definitely
could
have
been
some
of
the
growth
in
the
valley
when
it
comes
to
commercial
entities,
businesses
that
were
coming
in,
but
I
I
don't
have
a
specific
answer
as
to
why
that
tonnage
increased
from
say
you
know,
100
000
to
125,
000
or
so
130
000
there
it
I,
my
guess,
would
be
growth,
but
then
you
know
that
doesn't
explain
why
it
flattens
there
from.
H
K
2019.
can't
blame
it
all
on
kovit,
even
though
we
like
to
do
that.
E
Dovetailing
off
my
previous
question
are,
I
know:
there's
a
lot
of
efforts
being
targeted
toward
residential
programs
or
residential
homes
to
curb
the
amount
of
waste
that
they're
in
putting
into
the
system,
but
are
there
also
efforts
that
are?
I
haven't
seen
efforts
for
commercial
usage,
like
specifically,
I
can
think
of
like
apartment
units.
That
would
be
incredibly
helpful,
but
I
know
that
that's
tends
to
be
problematic
as
well
with
the
amount
of
people
that
are
in
us
in,
like
the
same
space.
K
Commissioner,
thank
you
for
that
question
and
share
great
question
and,
and
definitely
something
that
we're
focused
on
we
just
we
just
finished
the
business
and
multi-family
website
edition
to
curb
it,
and
we
have
great
staff
now,
gabe
and
catherine
and
others
that
will
we're
actually
offering
businesses
and
multi-family
the
ability
will
go
out
to
their
to
their
business
and
and
work
with
them
and
help
them
to
try
to
find
ways
that
they
can
reduce
their
waste.
K
And
some
of
this
data
that
we're
gonna
talk
about
here
goes
into
like
specific
businesses
and
what
what
waste
they
created
and
when
you
see
it,
you'll
you'll
be
shocked
about
how
much
of
certain
specific
types
of
waste
they
create,
and
so
we
found
that
to
be
just
a
great
opportunity
to
go
out
there
and
talk
to
them
about
it
and
say:
okay,
how
can
we
help
you
either
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
that
you're
creating
find
a
way
to
divert
it
or
you
know,
start
start
different
programs
that
might
be
able
to
address
it.
E
J
More
quick
question
on
the
paper
cardboard
thing
and
I
it
might
be
one
to
come
back
with
do
the
tonnage
numbers
track,
the
percentage
numbers,
because
if
cardboard
goes
up
by
60,
then
something
else
has
to
come
down
right.
So,
even
if
the
amount
of
paper
going
into
the
system
is
exactly
the
same,
a
bunch
more
cardboard
goes
up.
J
Then,
because
it's
on
a
percentage
basis,
the
other
percentages
have
to
come
down,
and
so
I
just
wonder
if
the
tonnage
data
of
what's
actually
going
in,
shows
paper
going
down
as
well
as
cardboard
going
up
or
if
it's
more
papers
flat
and
there's
just
a
ton
more
cardboard
in
the
system
now,
and
so
that's.
What
creates
the
percentage
difference.
K
Councilmember
bateson,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I
would
say
it's
it.
It's
actually
both
you're
right
that
the
percentages
you
know
the
percentage
would
have
to
shift.
If
there's
you
know
a
change
in
one
commodity
and
another
commodity,
but
we
have
seen
the
actual
tonnages
of
paper
newsprint
and
what
they
call
mixed
paper,
which
is
just
all
the
other
kind
of
papers.
We
have
seen
those
tonnages
go
down
and
we
have
seen
the
tonnages
of
cardboard
go
up.
K
K
H
K
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
K
K
This
data
in
the
waste
stream
analysis
that
we
did
in
2021.
It's
just
looking
at
trash
right.
So
it's
looking
at
what
people
throw
away
and
then
the
whole
point
of
it
is
to
try
to
look
at
that
data
and
figure
out
what
we
can
do
with
what
people
are
throwing
away
and
what
opportunities
that
we
have
to
divert
it
or
to
reduce
the
amount
of
waste
in
the
first
place,
as
I
mentioned
before,
there's
a
lot
of
information
here
and
we
do
have
a
handout.
K
So
the
the
objectives
of
this
waste
stream
analysis
is
to
provide
data
on
the
composition
and
the
quantity
of.
What's
what
materials
are
disposed
of
in
in
boise
we,
as
I
mentioned,
we
provide
that
data
and
it's
used
for
future
planning.
K
We
used
in
best
industry
standard
practice
to
complete
this.
This
analysis
with
a
consultant
and
just
just
to
just
to
talk
quickly
about
the
limitations.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
trash,
that's
being
created,
and
we
we
take.
We
took
as
many
samples
as
we
could
over
seasonally
of
quarterly
over
the
whole
year
right,
but
it's
still
an
estimate.
K
K
So
the
methodology
for
the
waste
stream
analysis,
as
I
mentioned
it,
was
created
conducted
by
green
solutions,
a
company
that
does
this
exclusively
out
of
washington,
state
and
the
city.
Boys
are
republic
services,
shared
costs
for
the
for
the
analysis,
and
it
examined
residential
and
commercial
waste
that
goes
through.
The
boise
transfer
station,
so
transfer
station
is
where
a
lot
of
about
75
of
our
waste
goes.
Republic.
Services
takes
their
trucks.
There
transfers
it
onto
a
larger
truck.
K
That
then
goes
to
the
landfill,
and
it
was
conducted
quarterly,
as
I
mentioned
in
2021.
The
reason
we
do
it
quarterly
is
to
adjust
for
seasonal
variations
in
the
waste
stream.
K
So
the
loads
of
waste
that
that
came
into
the
transfer
station
they're
divided
into
five
generator
categories
that
you
see
here.
Those
are
defined
in
a
little
bit
greater
detail
on
your
handout.
In
case
you
have
any
questions.
They're
fairly
self-explanatory,
single-family,
multi-families,
four
units
or
more
mixed
commercial
is,
is
mainly
just
businesses
that
have
dumpsters.
Maybe
it's
downtown,
maybe
it's
outside
of
town.
Commercial
compactors
are
larger
businesses
that
buy
their
own
compactors
and
and
are
serviced
separately.
K
So
here's
a
here's,
a
look
at
the
broad
categories
of
waste
and
obviously
these
are
done
by
weight
as
mentioned
previously.
K
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
graph
there
you
can
see,
we
have
three
categories
that
make
up
almost
60
percent
of
the
waste
stream,
that
being
organics
paper
and
wood
and
construction
and
demolition.
K
K
The
largest
subcategories
of
these
larger
broad
categories
were
food
waste,
that's
part
of
organics
there,
and
that
was
17.4
percent
of
organics,
so
that
jumped
out
at
us
right
away
as
an
opportunity
where
there's
a
lot
of
food
waste
in
the
waste
stream,
also
construction,
wood,
that
was
12
of
that
wooden
c
d
category
and
and
then
our
course
cardboard
that
we
were
talking
about
previously.
That's
eight.
That
was
about
eight
and
a
half
percent
of
the
paper
category.
K
So
so
we
can
see
there
when
you
start
diving
into
this
a
little
bit
more,
where
we
want
to
focus
some
of
our
efforts
to
to
divert
material.
Some
of
those
materials
we
can
divert
now
and
we
just
need
people
to
start
doing
it,
some
of
them
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
for,
but
that
that
we
could
build
a
program
and
try
to
get
try
to
get
those
opportunities
available
to
people
some
of
their
notable
subcategories.
K
Non-Recyclable
paper
was
seven
percent,
so
you
know
you
think
of
paper
as
all
one
thing,
but
some
some
paper.
We
can't
recycle,
especially
things
like
frozen
food
containers
or
things
like
that,
so
because
they
have
a
plastic
coating
on
them.
So
some
of
that
paper
category
is,
you
know
off
the
table.
It's
not
like
we
could
get
all
of
it.
Even
if
we
wanted
to.
There
was
also
about
six
percent
or
five
and
a
half
percent
of
plastic
bags
and
films.
K
In
that
plastics
category
of
13
there
was
four
and
about
five
percent
mixed
paper
yard
debris
was
only
three
and
a
half
percent
which
we're
happy
about
happy
to
see
that
and
that
our
compost
program
is
taking
care
of
most
of
the
yard.
Debris
textiles
we're
at
about
three
and
a
half
percent.
It
doesn't
seem
like
much,
but
it's
something
where
you
know.
K
We
really
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
that
a
lot
of
textiles,
depending
on
their
condition,
can
either
be
reused
and
there's
and
try
to
see
if
there's
other
opportunities
for
us
to
divert
that
material.
K
Now
we're
going
to
look
a
little
deeper
at
some
of
these
large
categories
that
we
were
just
speaking
about.
As
I
mentioned
organics,
we
we've
seen
the
yard
debris
decrease
from
24
in
2014
to
about
seven
percent
in
2021.
That's
for
single-family
homes.
Only
so
we
still
have
you
know
we
still
have
some
yard
debris
in
there.
K
We
have
a
great
participation
rate
in
our
composting
program
about
97,
but
there
are
still
some
people
who
don't
participate
and,
of
course,
some
people
who,
just
maybe
you
know,
put
a
little
bit
of
overflow
in
there
if
their
organics
carts
full
and
they
don't
have
bags
or
something
food
waste
mentioned
this
before
it
accounted
for
20
or
more
of
the
total
waste
in
all,
but
one
generator
category.
So
the
only
category
that
it
didn't
show
up
at
that
rate
was
construction
and
demolition,
which
you'd
expect
you
wouldn't
want
to.
K
You
wouldn't
expect
to
see
much
food
waste
in
there,
but
all
the
other
categories,
it's
showing
up
at
20
or
more
so
so
we're
really
really
thinking
about
that
and
thinking
about
ways
to
to
help
with
that
food
waste
was
a
little
bit
lower
in
single-family
versus
multi-family
category,
which
you'd
expect
to
see
since
the
single
family
has
the
ability
to
at
least
divert
some
of
their
food
waste,
the
fruits
and
vegetable
waste.
In
our
composting
program.
K
And
paper,
as
we
were
talking
about
so
20
of
the
overall
waste
stream,
8.3
cardboard
about
five
percent
mixed
paper
and
there's
that
newspaper,
it's
only
0.1
percent,
which
I
just
found
shocking.
I
still
like
to
read
the
physical
new
york
times,
but
apparently
nobody
else
does
so
it
it.
It's
really
changed
and
the
the
recycling
system
was
set
up
to
handle
newspaper
and
now
it's
gonna
have
to
be
set
up
to
handle
cardboard.
One
of
the
things
we
struggle
with
with
cardboard
is
people
breaking
down
the
boxes?
K
They
won't
break
them
down,
and
so
you
have
these
containers,
whether
it's
a
dumpster
or
whether
it's
your
container
at
your
house
and
it's
basically
full
of
air,
because
there's
like
a
bunch
of
cardboard
boxes
that
aren't
broken
down
and
then
and
then
people
say
they
don't
have
any
space.
So
we
really
want
to
try
to
get
people
to
to
break
that
cardboard
down.
It
just
makes
it
more
efficient
for
our
collection
system
and-
and
hopefully
you
know,
keeps
costs
in
check.
K
Commercial
compactors
had
an
average
of
20
cardboard
20.
So
that's
that
was
shocking
to
me.
I
I
thought
it
would
be
high,
but
I
didn't
think
it
would
be
that
high,
so
it
goes
back
to
working
with
businesses
to
make
them
realize
hey.
You
have
an
opportunity
here
to
get
this
cardboard
out
of
the
waste
stream.
K
K
I
think
you
know
when
we
get
out
there
and
start
talking
to
these
businesses.
I
think
they'll
be
actually
happy
to
to
figure
out
a
way
to
that
we're
going
to
help
them
do
this.
K
Construction,
demolition,
waste,
18
and
a
half
percent
of
the
total
waste
stream.
You
can
see
there's
some
of
the
breakdown
of
that
32
percent,
wood,
11,
sheetrock
or
gypsum
board,
10,
carpeting
and
padding,
and
then
some
of
the
remainders
there,
the
good
news.
With
c
and
d.
We
I
mean,
there's
a
couple
good
news
stories:
there
we
have
a
we've,
worked
on
a
partnership
with
planning
development
services
for
the
demolition
ordinance
where
we're
requiring
some
recycling
from
demolition.
So
that's
been
going
well.
K
We
have
over
11
000
tons
that
we've
diverted
there,
and
then
we
also
have
the
ability
to
recycle
that
wood
and
and
the
gypsum
and
we've
recently
created
a
rate
for
that
material.
They
can
mix
them
together,
the
wood
and
the
gypsum
and
the
rates
lower,
actually
almost
half
as
much
as
trash,
so
there's
incentive
there.
K
We
just
need
to
promote
that
and
we
need
to
help
these
construction
companies
figure
out
a
way
to
train
their
people
that
are
on
the
construction
site
to
separate
correctly
and
and
make
sure
that
they
have
some
space
for
additional
containers.
So
it
basically
becomes
a
logistical
issue
that
we're
going
to
try
to
help
them
with,
but
the
the
opportunity
is
there.
K
And
then
plastic,
one
of
the
really
good
things
that
we
saw
in
this
study
was
only
1.4
of
the
all
all
the
generators
waste
was
recyclable,
plastic
bottles,
the
one
in
two
bottles
and
jars
that
we
do
accept
in
the
recycling
program.
So
that
was
good
to
see
it's
it's
good
to
see
that
people
are
recycling
those
fairly
fairly
well,
we
didn't
see
a
significant
change
in
the
total
amount
of
plastics
in
the
single-family
waste
stream
from
2014.
K
It
was
only
about
a
two
or
three
percent
difference,
so
it's
not
increasing
a
lot.
It's
not
decreasing
a
lot
of
course
we'd
like
to
see
it
decrease
and
despite
the
light
weight
of
plastic
bags
and
films,
we
discussed
how
those
are
really
a
problem
for
our
for
our
recycling
program.
There's
still
a
fair
amount
of
those
in
the
plastic
waste
in
the
waste
stream,
and
you
can
see
there
the
totals
six
to
nine
percent
depending
on
the
the
waste
category.
K
So
that's
something
we
wanna,
we
wanna
try
to
work
on
too
I
mean
we
do
have
the
energy
bag
program
and
and
people
do
participate
in
that,
but
we
can
try
to
get
more
people
to
participate
and
we
really
want
to
get
people
to
try
to
figure
out
ways
to
create
less
of
that
less
plastic
films
and
bags
in
the
first
place
and
really
work
with
businesses
to
help
them
try
to
set
up
ways
that
they
can
have
reusable
bags
and
and
do
different
things
that
they're
not
giving
out
all
this
plastic
waste.
K
It's
like
when
you
go
to
a
restaurant
and
they
give
you
all
this
extra
plastic,
forks
and
everything
just
automatically,
and
we
want
to
try
to
stop
that
and
say:
hey,
don't
give
that
out
automatically
right,
like,
let's
think
of
different
ways,
that
we
can
do
that
think
of
different
ways
where
you
can
provide
a
container
that
they
can
bring
back,
whether
it's
coffee
or
food.
Or
what
have
you?
So
that's
not
easy.
K
I'm
not
gonna
lie
it,
because
you
have
all
the
you
have
all
the
health
regulations
there
that
you
have
to
deal
with,
but
we're
still
gonna
we're
still
gonna
work
with
people
and
we'll
still
tackle
it.
You
know
one
by
one
and
and
figure
out
ways
that
we
can
reduce
that.
K
So
here's
the
individual
compactors
and
that's
a
picture
of
one
right
there
on
the
back
of
the
truck.
You
can
see
it's
a
large
container.
They
pick
it
up
individually
and
take
that
to
the
landfill,
grocery
stores,
large
large
company,
other
large
companies
and
and
manufacturing
plants
use
these.
So
you
can
see
here
grocery
stores
and
a
corrections
facility.
K
Look
at
the
totals
of
food
waste,
71
percent
at
a
grocery
store
cardboard
in
the
trucking
company
in
the
furniture
store
40
to
95
percent
cardboard.
I
mean
you
think
about
that
furniture
shorts
like
they.
They
basically
could
almost
have
no
trash.
They
just
need
to.
They
just
need
to
handle
it
a
different
way
right,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
with
going
out
there
and
engaging
those
customers
and
and
and
working
with
them,
to
try
to
figure
out
okay.
K
We
know
you
can
do
this,
we
have
it
available.
Let's,
let's,
let's
do
it,
you
can
see
the
plastics
there
and
then
textiles
as
you
would
expect
at
a
thrift
store.
So
one
of
the
other
things
that
this
shows
us
is
that,
unlike
residential
trash,
that's
sort
of
a
it's
basically
the
same,
whether
you're
at
my
house
or
at
one
of
your
houses.
K
Businesses
are
all
different,
so
we
it's
a
little
harder
to
handle
than
we
can't
do
a
one-size-fits-all
program
and
be
like
here,
here's
a
program
for
all
you
businesses
when
they
have
such
different
waste
streams.
So
that's
why
that's?
Why
we're
going
to
work
with
them
individually?
And
you
know
it'll
it.
K
K
K
We
can
do
this
now
through
renewed
in-person
events.
You
can
see
these
pictures
here,
that's
gabe
and
catherine
at
the
at
the
watersheds
earth
day
event
which
went
great.
They
said
that
they
were
talking
to
kids,
the
entire,
what
three
hours
four
hours.
So
these
in-person
events
are
great.
K
It
it's
it's
great
for
the
community
and
you
know
we
have
all
these
other
other
opportunities
to
working
with
the
schools,
social
media,
we're
going
to
be
doing
some
more
surveys
and
challenges
to
really
kind
of
engage
the
public
and
get
them
interested
and
and
kerbert
pros.
I
think
we
have
a
curb
pro
alumni
on
the
on
the
commission.
K
We
want
to
do
that
again.
It
was
great.
We
we
get
these
volunteers,
we
teach
them
up
on
all
all
the
fun
data,
all
the
fun
ins
and
outs
of
solid
waste,
and
then
they
go
to
their
neighborhoods
and
their
community
and
and
they
they
engage
them
and
they
they
teach
them,
and
it's
just
a
great
way
to
spread
the
word.
K
So
we
want
to
do
that
again
now
that
I
hope
we're
on
the
backside
of
coveto,
though
I
don't
know
anymore,
but
we're
still
planning
on
doing
that,
we'll
refine
our
current
programs
have
we,
as
we
talked
about
you
know,
we
want
to
divert
more
cardboard
plastic
film
reduction,
encourage
the
full
use
of
the
composting
program,
make
make
sure
people
are
using
that
for
the
the
food
waste
that
they
can
reduce
plastic
bag
contamination,
definitely
working
with
special
events
and
internal
city
events.
K
Hundreds
of
plastic
cups
that
can't
ever
be
recycled.
We
want
to.
We
think
we
can
do
better
than
that,
so
so
we're
working
on
that
policy
and
then
the
new
and
emerging
opportunities
that
we
have
commercial
food
waste.
We
talked
about
how
how
much
of
the
waste
stream
is
food
waste.
So
we
want
to
work
on
reduction
and
diversion
of
that
food
waste.
K
We're
working
on
some
code,
changes
that
will
allow
commercial
organics
to
be
collected
by
not
just
our
current
franchise
hauler
but
other
entities
that
want
to
that
want
to
compete
in
that
in
that
area,
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
think
that's
great
is
because,
as
we
mentioned,
there's
different
business
business
waste
is
so
different,
so
you
might
have
a
say,
a
grocery
store
that
creates
this
type
of
waste.
But
then
you
have
like
a
small
restaurant
that
creates
different
kinds
of
waste
and
we
we
can't
do
a
one-size-fits-all.
K
So
we
want
to
have
more
opportunities
for
those
businesses
and
there
might
be
a
small
business
that
can
can
start
up
in
boise
that
can
collect
from
smaller
entities
and
then
the
big
entities
can
be
handled
by
the
larger
corporations
or
so
so
forth.
So
we
want
to
open
that
up
and
and
make
sure
that
there's
opportunities
there
to
divert
that.
Since
we
know
it's
such
a
large
percentage
of
our
waste
construction
demolition
waste
already
touched
on
that
we
have
the
demolition
ordinance
with
pds.
K
And
then
we
have
a
construction
waste
recycling
program
that
we
really
were
gonna,
start
promoting
and
and
working
on
trying
to
get
that
wooden
sheetrock
out
of
the
waste
stream
and
then
business
and
multi-family
outreach
have
a
new
website
well
part
of
the
kerbet
website
and
make
sure
you
take
a
look
at
that.
It'll
it'll
detail
what
we're
doing
for
businesses
and
if
you
know,
people
with
businesses
that
are
interested
in
waste
management
or
that
want
to
reduce
their
waste.
K
Let
them
know
send
them
to
that
website
and
and
we'll
come
out
and
work
with
them
and
last
but
not
least,
this
all
sort
of
plays
into
our
strategic
planning
process
our
solid
waste
strategic
planning.
So
as
we
refine
and
analyze
this
data
and
look
at
those
different
opportunities,
we're
going
to
be
working
with
the
consultant
to
develop
a
solid
waste
strategic
plan,
that'll,
look
ahead,
10
years
and
and
look
at
some
of
the
the
big
opportunities
that
we
may
have
to
reduce
waste
to
divert
waste.
K
What
are
those
costs
and
make
sure
that
we're
starting
programs
that
are
going
to
divert
the
most
ways
possible,
the
most
bang
for
your
buck,
because
we,
we
are
sensitive
to
to
rate
increases,
and
we
don't
want
to
start
a
program
that
isn't
going
to
create,
isn't
going
to
divert
that
much
waste
and
cost
a
lot
of
money?
Obviously,
so
we're
looking
at
all
those
things
and
we're
really
excited
about
it,
and
I
will
stand
for
more
questions.
D
Thank
you.
That
was
a
really
good
presentation
couple
comments,
so
I
I'm
in
the
construction
industry.
I
think
in
terms
of
you,
you
made
a
comment
about.
You
know
tat
spaces
and
not
not
having
the
space
for
more
dumpsters,
but
I
think
it's
also
got
a
lot
to
do
with
cost
and
how
much
it
costs
to
have
those
dumpsters
on
site.
D
So
if
there
was-
and
maybe
this
already
exists
or
is
going
to
exist-
but
if
there
was
some
sort
of
incentive
where,
if
contractors
were
going
to
be
recycling
and
separating
out
their
materials
on
site
that
they
had
some
type
of
incentive,
they
had
free,
dumpsters
or
reduced
cost
dumps
as
well.
To
do
that,
I
think
ultimately,
that's
what
would
drive
any
change
on
a
construction
site,
because
I
think
the
the
owners
of
the
company
can
have
an
idea
of
what
they
think
it
should
be.
D
But
ultimately
the
guys
on
saturday
are
going
to
be
driven
by
cost.
So
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
reduce
that
cost
for
them,
we'll
give
them
give
the
money
back.
I
think
it'll
help
and
my
next
idea
is
maybe
not
terribly
feasible,
but
you
know
I
think,
about
how
successful
the
the
composting
program
has
been
and
we've
gotten
people
to
separate
because
there's
something
in
the
end
for
them
right.
They
get
free
compost
like
yes,
lots
of
people.
D
Do
it,
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
also
a
lot
of
people
do
it
because
they
get
something
back.
So
I
wonder
if
there
isn't
a
way
that,
especially
with
again
cost
of
materials
right
now,
if
we
could
find
a
way
to
separate
out
some
of
that
construction
waste
and
have
it
open
and
available
for
the
public
to
just
come
and
pick
up
for
free
right
if
they
could
come
and
and
I'm
sure
that
there'd
be
safety
issues
or
health
issues.
D
But
you
know
they
could
come
and
pick
up
pieces
of
wood
or
drywall
or
whatever
little
projects
they
had
at
home.
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
feasible
long-term
if
there'd
be
enough
interest
to
make
it
viable,
but
I
could
see
something
that
being
something
that
that
would
be
of
interest
and
then
my
third
comment
would
be
the
offices
and
recycling.
I
think
maybe
targeting
cleaning
companies
might
help.
K
Chair,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
those
three
questions,
I'll
I'll
start
with
the
last
two
because
they're
new
ideas-
and
I
really
like
them
both
I
don't
know
how
feasible
they
are
either.
But
I
I
really
like
the
idea.
I
mean
we
really
want
to
focus
on
re
reusing
more
than
recycling
right.
So
you
know
your
example.
With
with
the
wood
and
and
perhaps
even
sheetrock,
I
don't
know
where
people
could
use
that
material
as
opposed
to
us,
hauling
it
and
then
recycling
it.
K
It's
a
better
use,
it's
a
higher
use
and
it
it
reduces
the
environmental
impact
of
those
materials
immediately.
So
love
the
idea,
we'll
look
into
it
see
if
any
other
cities
are
doing
it.
I
I
I'm
not
sure,
and
then
your
your
comment
about
the
cleaning
crews
is
a
good
one.
We
we
have
seen
where
cleaning
crews
aren't.
K
You
know
they're
separated
right,
they're,
not
part
of
the
they're,
a
contractor,
so
they're,
not
part
of
the
of
the
office,
so
to
speak,
so
the
office
does
their
job,
but
then
we
need
to
make
sure
the
cleaning
crews
are
doing
their
job.
So
I
love
that
idea.
Perhaps
it's
something
we
could
build
into
our
our
business
outreach
is,
we
talked
to
you,
know
some
of
the
larger
cleaning
companies
in
town
and
and
asked
them
what
we
can
do
to
help
and
and
can
we
educate
their
their
staff?
K
What
have
you
so
loved,
like
does
a
great
both
of
those
ideas.
Back
to
your
first
point
on
the
incentivizing
for
the
construction
and
demolition
waste
we
we
do.
I
I
agree
with
you.
It
comes
down
to
money
for
a
lot
of
businesses.
Some
of
them
will
do
it
because
it's
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
a
lot
of
them
they
need
to
compete
and
they
they.
They
can't
do
that
if
they're
charging
a
lot
more
money.
K
Our
current
rate
for
that
recyclable,
wood
and
gypsum
board
is
quite
a
bit
lower.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
say
at
least
30
percent
lower
than
the
trash
rate,
so
we
do
have
an
incentive
there.
I
think
one
of
the
barriers,
however,
is
the
time
it
takes
for
those
construction
workers
to
separate
the
materials.
K
K
So
we've
done
a
we've
done
a
pilot
program
with
esi
construction
they've
been
able
to
do
it.
It
took
them
a
little
while
and
they
had
a
lot
of
contamination
at
first
and
then
they
slowly
got
better.
So
I
think
there's
there
are
some
barriers
there
when
it
comes
to
time
and
education,
but
I
think
that
our
rate
structure
is
such
that
it's
it's
actually
is
incentivizing.
It.
K
So
we
did
just
recently
get
smaller
construction
containers
down
to
10
yards.
We
used
to
only
have
20
yards,
and
part
of
that
is
so.
If
you
only
have
a
little
bit
of
recycling,
you
know
you
could
get
that
cheaper,
smaller
container
use
that
still
have
a
big
one
for
your
trash
or
vice
versa,
but
I,
I
think,
there's
still
an
incentive
there,
but
you're
right.
K
You
still
have
to
pay
for
the
delivery
of
the
other
container
right
and
the
and
the
rent,
but
the
rent
is
included
in
the
rate.
So
so
I
think
I
think,
there's
still
an
incentive,
but
I
do.
I
do
understand
your
concern
and
we'll
definitely
look
at
that.
D
K
Yeah
we
thank
you
very
much,
commissioner,
and
we
we
really
appreciate
that
and
if
you
need
additional
information
on
it
and
we're
happy
to
help.
A
Awesome
I've
got
a
question
on
the
the
offer
to
work
individually
with
local
businesses
sort
of
what
does
the
program
look
like?
How
long
has
it
been
running
and
what's
been
sort
of
the
reception
so
far
among
organizations
that
have
or
have
not
taken
advantage
of
of
the
offer.
K
Chair,
commissioner,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
the
program
is
really
new,
I
would
say
within
the
last
three
months,
but
we've
already
made
some
progress
with
some
with
some
businesses
throughout
the
city,
one
of
them
that
we
just
finished
doing
and
and
gabe
and
catherine
actually
went,
went
out.
There
was
to
the
boise
town
square
mall.
K
We
we
met
the
boise
town
square,
mall
manager,
out
at
the
when
we
were
doing
the
opening
of
the
bench
that
was
made
out
of
the
energy
bags
and
the
and
the
buy
blocks,
so
that
was
kind
of
cool.
He
was
there
for
that,
and
then
we
started
talking
to
him
and
we
went
out.
Staff
went
out
and
evaluated
their
facility
really
what
we.
K
What
what
we
want
to
gain
from
it
is
have
a
conversation
with
them
understand
what
waste
they're,
creating
what
opportunities
there
are
to
divert
that
waste
or
to
stop
that
waste
from
occurring
in
the
first
place,
then
we
write
up
a
brief
report
for
them.
That
summarizes
our
recommendations
and
we
let
them
kind
of
look
at
that
and
see
like
okay
like
we
might.
We
separate
it
out
in
hard,
you
know
medium
easy,
so
they
can
kind
of
see
what
they
they
want
to
do.
K
Okay,
what
do
we
want
to
tackle
and
then
we
we
re-engage
them
and
say:
okay
like
how
can
we
help
you,
which
ones
do
you
guys
want
to
work
on
and
and
we
go
from
there,
so
that's
kind
of
how
the
process
works,
but
we're
still
refining
it
because,
as
I
said,
it's
so
new,
so
if
there's
any
suggestions
of
of
any
input
from
the
commission
on
on
different
ways,
we
could
do
it
or
things
we
could
add
on
we're
happy
to
listen.
A
Awesome
yeah
I've
got
a
million
ideas
and
I'd
be
happy
to
follow
up
with
them.
I
do
they're,
maybe
not
exactly
for
recycling
programs,
but
I
know
that
there
are
a
number
of
other
programs
that
do
recognize,
particularly
local
businesses,
served
by
by
various
levels
of
government
with
like
a
badging
system
or
or
something
like
that
to
recognize
folks
who
do
make
efforts
to
achieve
a
certain
shared
goal.
A
So
that
may
be
one
thing
to
explore
as
well
looking
at
sort
of
the
the
timeline
of
the
the
waste
loads
over
the
past
couple
years
and
then
trying
to
think
back
to
one
of
the
earlier
slides,
the
the
timing
of
when
particular
programs
were
started
or
really
ramped
up.
A
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
what
sort
of
what
sort
of
program
designs
and
what
sort
of
outreach
mechanisms
may
have
aided
in
the
sort
of
leveling,
especially
of
commercial
waste,
even
as
our
population
continued
to
grow,
because
that
seems
sort
of
asynchronous
with
what
we
would
expect
to
see.
So,
looking
at
what
what
we
have
been
doing
over
the
past
couple
years,
maybe
to
to
feed
into
that
to
inform
this
three-month-old
nation
outreach
program.
K
Thank
you,
commissioner,
and
chair
yeah.
I
we
have
thought
about
several
different
ways
that
we
could
sort
of
recognize
businesses
for
their
efforts.
I
know
different
different
cities
and
communities.
Have
you
know,
sort
of
like
award
programs
for
like?
Oh,
you,
you've
reduced
your
waste
this
much
or
what
have
you,
and
I
think
I
think
a
great
way
to
start
is
to
recognize
the
people
who
are
engaging
with
us
and
trying
to
do
something
about
it.
K
You
know,
there's
there's
give
them
an
a
for
effort
right
and
if
people
don't
try,
it's
it's
not
gonna
happen,
and
so
I
I
like
that
idea.
I
think
it's
something
that
we've
been
discussing
for
a
few
years
haven't
haven't
gotten
to
do
it
yet.
But
I
like
the
idea-
and
it's
definitely
something
we'll
continue
to
look
into
and
and
your
other
comment,
I'm
sorry.
A
Had
an
effect
on
that,
I
wasn't
soliciting
any
particular
kind
of
feedback.
I
was
just
sort
of
thinking
out
loud
about
that
trend
through
the
filter
of
some
of
the
programs
that
were
outlined
in
the
timeline
in
one
of
the
earlier
one
of
the
earlier
slides
and
how
those
might
sort
of
be
correlated
as
a
correlation
was
pointed
out
in
the.
B
A
Some
of
the
the
reductions
potentially
of
the
the
residential
waste.
K
Sure
sure
yeah
and
that's
that's,
definitely
something
we
can
look
into
and-
and
you
know
I
I
also
didn't
mention
that
you
know
we'll
be
we'll
from
now
on-
we'll
be
doing
the
first
part
of
this
every
year,
which
was
the
look
at
all
those
all
those
different
waste
streams
and
then
we'll
also,
we
also
plan
to
do
a
another,
detailed
waste
analysis
we're
hoping
at
least
every
five
years.
It's
it's
it's
not
that
expensive.
It
was
about
sixty
thousand
dollars
and
republic
helped
us
paid
for
for
half
of
it.
K
As
I
said,
and
so
our
plan
is
to
to
really
keep
going
with
this
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
see
those
trends
a
little
better
in
time.
A
Can't
wait
any
other
questions,
commissioner
ellis.
B
Thank
you.
I
was
thinking
about
the
last
time.
I
remember
the
waste
components
were
published.
Was
it
2016
because
it
helped
kind
of
give
you
guys
trying
to
think
of
a
different
word?
That's
come
in
my
head,
but
a
good
reasons
of
why
to
do
the
compost
program.
So
were
you
able
to
look
at
those
two,
because
I
was
thinking
in
the
kerbit
program.
B
C
K
K
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question,
commissioner
ellis
chairman,
the
the
two.
It
was
2014
when
there
was
another
waste
stream
analysis
done,
however,
that
waste
stream
analysis
was
done
for
elevated
county.
It
was
done
by
it
was
done
by
the
landfill,
and
so
there
was
some
boise
specific
waste
that
was
broken
out
from
that
data.
K
However,
it's
a
smaller
data
set,
and
so
therefore
it's
you
know
just
by
nature,
less
accurate
right.
So
we
put
a
lot
we.
This
is
the
first
time
we've
done
a
waste
analysis
just
on
boise
waste,
so
the
the
40.
I
think
it
was
like
43
that
you're
talking
about
that
is
from
the
2014
data.
K
It's
just
it's
just
not
quite
as
reliable,
because
the
data
set's
so
much
smaller
because
we're
only
a
portion
of
it,
but
you
know
you're,
absolutely
right
that
it
decreased
and
it
decreased
dramatically
the
organics
there.
So
we
we
were
gonna,
draw
some
more
comparisons
to
2014,
but
we
felt
like
it
might
be.
You
know
a
little
bit
of
like
we
want
this
to
be
our
starting
point
and
we
want
to
continue
to
do
boise,
specific
waste
stream
analysis.
K
B
Had
you
done
it
before
too,
where
you
knew
it
was
single
fan
or
you
had
the
six
different
input
streams?
I
don't
know
if
you
did
that
last
time,
either.
K
No
thank
you
for
the
question
commissioner
you're
correct
in
2014.
The
only
two
categories
that
they
were
able
to
separate
out
because
of
the
smaller
data
set
was
single
family
and
commercial,
so
they
didn't
do
multi-family
or
c
d,
or
things
like
that
or
compactors.
K
So
that
was
another
reason
why
it
was
a
little
difficult
to
kind
of
compare
that
2014
to
this
to
this
data.
So
we're
we're
really
happy
with
it.
Some
it's
great
to
get
all
the
county
data
and
look
at
as
a
whole,
but
when
you're
making
programs
for
a
city
where
we
think
it's
important
to
get
our
our
own
data.
E
E
So
I
think
it's
most
important
that
we
mitigate
the
amount
of
trash
that
we're
putting
into
the
system
and
amount
of
waste
that
we're
putting
into
the
system.
But
while
that's
a
larger,
more
policy-based
issue,
is
there
room
for
expansion
of
the
capacity
of
the
recycling
and
other
systems
that
we
have
currently.
K
Commissioner
and
chair
yeah,
thank
you
for
that
question.
There
is
definitely
room
for
expanding
the
capacity
of
recycling
and
composting
program.
One
of
the
things
we
just
got
finished
with
was
expanding
the
composting
facility.
We
had
run
out
of
room
already
at
the
composting
facility
and
we're
having
to
take
that
compost
compostable
material
and
give
it
to
another
composter.
K
So
now
we
have
we've
expanded
it
almost
40
area
wise,
and
so
we
have
enough
room
to
keep
taking
in
with
the
growth
in
the
valley
keep
taking
in
more
of
that
material,
the
recycling,
the
recycling
we
have
less
control
over
because
it's
handled
by
a
private
company,
but
they
aren't
maxed
out
so
they
can
take
more
recycling
right.
We
just
need
to
get
people
to
understand
what
materials
it
is.
K
They
can
recycle
and
make
sure
that
they're
recycling
all
that
they
can
right,
like
the
examples
with
businesses
and
and
and
even
residents
who
you
know,
might
not
break
down
their
their
cardboard
boxes
and
then
they
run
out
of
room
and
they
just
take
the
recycling
put
in
the
trash
right.
K
F
I
was
just
going
to
add
sheriff
sorry
to
interrupt
one
of
the
I
mean
moving
forward.
The
focus
we'd
like
to
shift
to
is
reduce
and
reuse,
so
part
of
it
is
yes.
Recycling
is
a
good
thing
generally.
I
F
C
F
E
Okay,
that's
helpful,
thank
you
and
then
I
do
have
a
follow-up
question.
You
mentioned
wishful
recycling.
Is
there
a
way
to
yes,
it's
good
to
expand
the
capacity,
but
is
there
a
way
to?
I
know
it's
through
a
private
company
that
does
the
recycling,
but
is
there
a
way
to
expand
that
to
include
the
wishful
recycling
wannabes.
K
Commissioner,
thank
you
for
that
question.
That's
it
that's
a
great
question.
The
short
answer
is
no.
The
the
the
recycling
is
a
business
right
like
any
other
business,
and
so
there's
there.
We
look
at
them
as
commodities
right,
there's
recycling
commodities,
so
they're
going
to
take
the
materials
that
have
a
value
that
they
can
sell
right
to
to
to
people
that
are
going
to
turn
them
into
other
materials,
a
lot
of
the
materials
that
they
don't
accept.
K
K
Each
one
and
separate
it
into
paper
and
plastic
is,
is
far
too
high
for
them
to
make
any
money
off
and
in
fact,
they'd
lose
a
lot
of
money
right,
and
so
so,
therefore
they
don't
take
those
materials
so
they're
looking
at
it
from
a
business
standpoint,
and
if-
and
so
they
accept
the
materials
that
have
value
that
have
a
market
for
for
for
recycling.
A
That's
a
lot
of
particulars,
but
I'm
I'm
the
the
sort
of
thread
that
I
am
the
needle
that
I'm
trying
to
thread
is
a
lot
of
the
ideas
we're
discussing
around
this
new
approach
are
a
lot
of
carrot,
and
once
we
have
a
baseline,
I
wonder
if
we
are
gathering
that
baseline
with
a
particular
attention
or
an
openness
to
the
possibility
of
at
what
point
do
we
bring
in
a
stick.
C
K
Chairman
commissioners
yeah,
thank
you
for
that
question.
The
carrot
versus
the
stick
yeah,
we
we
have
been.
You
know
historically,
more
more
of
carrot.
People,
I
will
say
we
we
might
like,
might
have
been
rabbits
in
our
old
life
and
but
the
stick.
K
The
stick
has
a
place
and
I-
and
I
think
that
the
first
time
this
and-
and
you
know
I've
been
here
for
about
13
years
and
actually
it's
longer
than
that,
but
the
first
time
I've
seen
you
know
it
was
just
last
year
where
we
we
working
with
pds,
collaborating
with
them.
We
passed
the
the
demolition
ordinance
and
that's
the
first
time
that
they're
you're
actually
required
to
recycle
certain
materials.
K
So
so,
and
I
think
that's
the
direction
you're
talking
about
where
you
say
like
instead
of
saying
boy
we'd
really
like
to
have
you
do
this.
We
say
sorry,
you're
not
allowed
to
do
that
anymore
and
that'll
that'll,
be
up
to
you,
know,
guidance
from
from
the
commission
and
from
council
as
to
what
they'd
like
to
see
and
and
we're
we're
definitely
open
to
that.
A
Yeah
yeah
and
as
we're
looking
into
the
next
couple
years
and
focusing
a
lot
more
on
some
of
these
more
regular
metrics.
I
I
would
appreciate
some.
K
Chairman
commissioner,
thank
you,
yeah
and-
and
I
agree
and
and
back
to
your
your
previous
comment
and
we
definitely
see
areas
of
focus
that
we
want
to
focus
on
and
and
such
as
the
food
waste,
the
cardboard
and
whatnot,
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
look
at
that.
Like
steve,
said
from
the
reduced
perspective
too,
as
to
like
why.
K
Why
is
there
so
much
cardboard,
because
there
are
ways
to
stop
that
from
coming
in
in
the
first
place,
instead
of
just
being
like
okay,
we're
gonna,
recycle
it,
and
then
why
is
there
so
much
food
waste
we'd?
Much
rather
see
people
eating
that
food
than
taking
it
and
turning
it
into
compost
or
doing
something
else
with
it
right.
So
so
those
are
complicated.
Those
are
complicated
measures
to
try
to
enact,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
we're
not
going
to
try
awesome.
Thank
you.
B
Just
going
to
ask
one
last
one:
the
reduced
reuse,
this,
I
remember,
of
course
it
was
covered.
It
was
the
big
earth
day.
Celebration
was
gonna,
be
a
jump
and
it
was
gonna,
be
a
full-on,
reduce,
reuse,
extravaganza,
and
so
I
would
assume
that
that's
still
kind
of
in
play
and
if
gosh,
if
I
missed
it,
I'm
so
sorry,
but
I
don't
think
that
has
like
been
released.
Yet
right
am
I
understanding
that
right,
okay,.
K
Commissioner,
chairman,
yes,
you're
correct,
we
haven't
done
that.
We
had
it
all
planned
out
right
before
kovid
and.
K
A
jump
and
then
it
didn't
happen,
we've
had
some
fits
and
starts
since
then
it
is
on
our
agenda.
We
haven't
decided
if
we're
going
to
make
it
as
big
of
a
splash
as
it
was
before,
or
if
we're
going
to
combine
it
with
another
effort,
but
but
it
you
did
not
miss
it,
and
it's
still
still
on
the
table.
E
I'm
sure
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
shade
city
that
happened
in
april
on
over
the
weekend
of
earth
day.
They
did
a
really
cool
event
at
the
botanical
gardens
and
they
didn't
have
any
waste.
E
That's
done
with
this,
in
collaboration
with
the
city
or
going
out
and
having
programming
available
to
help
educate
when
there
are
events
to
help
them
be
able
to
accommodate
when
there
is
a
lot
of
excessive
trash
from
those
events.
K
Commissioner,
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
yeah
I
I
did
hear
it
was
a
brewing
festival
right,
shape,
city
brewing
festival.
I
did
not
attend,
but
I
heard
it
was
great
and
I
did
also
hear
that
they
were
really
good
at
reducing
the
amount
of
waste
that
they
created.
So
we
definitely
do
collaborate
with
those
events.
K
There's
a
staff
member
of
mine,
that's
on
the
special
events
committee,
so
he
works
with.
He
works
with
those
events
and
and
definitely
tries
to
collaborate
with
them
to
try
to
figure
out
ways.
Okay,
how
can
we
reduce
waste?
We
work
with
tree
fort
tree.
Fort's
been
great
right.
Now,
it's
voluntary!
K
This
goes
back
to
the
stick
and
the
carrot
right.
We
have
these
great
events
that
that
want
to
want
to
do
more
right
and
they're
they're
motivated
to
do
it
and
then
so
we
work
with
them
and
try
to
help
them.
Then
there's
other
events
who
really
just
don't
care
right.
F
K
That
they're,
they
they're
an
event
just
to
make
money
really,
and
so
so,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
navigate
that
we're
working
on
trying
to
well?
We
already
have
draft
policies
where
we're
going
to
sort
of
inch
up,
what's
required,
of
of
all
special
events
that
go
through
special
event
committee
and
then
also
inch
up
what's
required
out
of
city
events
too,
so
that
we're
walking
the
walk.
So
it
starts
with
a
few
different
things.
K
A
lot
of
them
is
like
not
giving
out
a
lot
of
events
focus
around
beverages
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
so
we
really
you
see
a
garbage
can
full
of
plastic
cups,
and
it's
just
like
what
a
waste
right
so
so
part
of
those
policies
is
that
proposed
policies
are
that
you
know
you
have
to
come
up
with
a
different
way
to
to
dispense
your
beverage,
whether
it
is
a
reusable
container
or
something
that
can
be
recycled
at
least
and
so
so
we're.
K
We
are
definitely
thinking
about
that
and
it's
it's
great
to
see
those
events
like
shade
city
and
tree
fort,
who
really
who
really
go
above
and
beyond
what
they
need
to
do.
K
A
All
right-
and
that
brings
us
to
the
final
item
on
our
agenda-
the
public
works
commission
subcommittees
and
if
you
reach
back
into
the
recesses
of
your
minds,
then
you
can
remember
the
past
couple
of
meetings.
A
We've
had
a
few
small
discussions
around
the
potential
for
diving
deeper
into
a
few
topics
that
really
need
our
really
our
our
focused
attention
and
our
continued
learning,
as
we
make
some
pretty
big
decisions
around
two
particular
topics:
our
climate
action,
as
it
is
pretty
broad,
as
we
saw
just
a
few
slices
of
today,
and
also
helping
guide
some
of
the
decisions
around
our
water
renewal,
utility
plan
and
some
of
the
infrastructure
that
will
be
developed
with
the
bond
that
was
just
passed,
and
so
we
are
finally
ready
to
kick
off.
A
I
think
we'll
do
a
trial
run
for
about
a
year
we're
going
to
dive
into
the
nitty
gritty
and
get
into
some
more
lengthy
discussions
that
we
just
are
not
able
to
have
in
our
time
up
here
regularly
enough
and
in
enough
detail
to
really
be
effective,
and
so
we
will
work
with
staff
to
set
up
meetings
and
create
a
platform
where
we
do
share
documents.
Get
these
regular
updates
and
produce
minutes.
A
I
do
ask
that
those
minutes
are
made
available
to
the
full
commission,
either
through
our
agenda
packet
or
otherwise,
and
then
at
our
september
meeting.
A
representative
from
these
subcommittees
provide
an
update
on
the
work
that
has
been
so
far
done
so
far
to
update
to
create
our
broad
scope
of
work
and
the
timeline
for
some
of
the
the
discussions
and
decisions
that
we
would
propose
and
anything
that
potentially
may
come
before
the
commission
for
further
discussion
or
decision.
A
A
Am
I
missing
anything
so
far?
Am
I
avoiding
legal
trouble
so
with
that,
I
would
open
up
for
any
quick
feedback
that
you
all
have
before
we
wrap
up
for
the
day.
B
You're
gonna
follow
up
by
giving
us
more
details,
and
that
may
not
necessarily
mean
when
the
content
comes.
Our
way
is
that
trying.
A
To
figure
that
out,
my
understanding
so
far
is
that
we
will
work
with
staff
to
get
all
the
materials
sort
of
front
loaded
into
our
first
couple
of
meetings.
So
we
can
really
understand
sort
of
what
we're
doing
what
we're
tackling
what
the
needs
of
staff
are,
that
we
will
be
able
to
help,
inform
and
guide
in
our
capacity
as
commissioners
and
then
identify
ways
that
we
would
time
out
our
work,
at
least
for
the
the
coming
year
and
hopefully
get
more
more
information
to
us
more
more
effectively.
A
A
We
have
a
motion
from
commissioner
morgan.
Do
we
have
a
second.